1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,760 Women specifically, what is a generally healthy amount of 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:05,560 caloric intake on a day-to-day basis? 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,880 For somebody that's that's not super tiny, not completely 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,280 sedentary, I would say like 18 to 2400 calories a day for 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,520 someone that lives a semi active to active lifestyle is normal. 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,760 And I'm willing to guess that the person that I work with on a 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,160 regular basis just about fell out of their chair when I said 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,640 that. Yeah, I think that's the goal 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,640 because if you the more calories you have to work with, the more 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,360 leverage you can pull, the more or runway you have to manipulate 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,400 when you do transition into a fat loss phase. 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,600 And I feel like very few people bring that to the forefront of 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,560 knowledge of these people that are not competing. 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,160 Like when you're competing, it's kind of common, commonly 15 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:43,480 understood. But when you're not, I mean the 16 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:45,560 same principles apply whether you step on stage or not. 17 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,640 And we are live. Joe, how are you, brother? 18 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,760 Doing good and by the way, the studio looks amazing. 19 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,400 I like it. Appreciate it, man. 20 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,080 Yeah, I'm changing a few things up. 21 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,040 I got my elk on that wall, my bookshelf on this while I'm 22 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,960 trying to figure out which one I want behind me. 23 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,160 So maybe next one will be the elk, who knows? 24 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,240 I love it. I love it. 25 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,239 Get the elk back there. Yeah, for sure. 26 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,600 Well, you were on my podcast. What it's been, what about six 27 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:09,560 months now? Something like that. 28 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,840 Right around that, yeah. Something like that, Yeah, we 29 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,480 talked about reverse dieting quite a bit on that. 30 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,680 When you've been working with females specifically for quite 31 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,720 some time, talking about reverse dieting, I feel like I've been 32 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,200 beating that drum for a while myself. 33 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,720 I feel like it's starting to become more known, like the 34 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,680 concept of reverse static is no longer this obscure, abstract, 35 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,520 unknown thing it seems, which is good. 36 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,680 We can talk about that for sure because there's always questions 37 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,680 around that. But but you and I were kind of 38 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,520 talking about other things beyond just the reverse static 39 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:40,840 component. You're trying to take more 40 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,760 proactive approach with your clientele. 41 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,280 So they don't even need that necessarily as the first plan of 42 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:47,960 action. So talking about that man, 43 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,080 what's that looking like? Yeah, absolutely. 44 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,400 And and we definitely can touch on reverse side and again, 45 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,840 because like you said, it's becoming more mainstream and 46 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,440 it's not just for for bodybuilding competitors that 47 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,560 are like post show, right? It's for a lot of people that 48 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,320 have really under died of themselves or over died of 49 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,760 themselves for way too long. But what I found is, is working 50 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,880 with my community of women, 4050 sixty and older, I've been 51 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,480 solving a reactive problem, right. 52 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,200 We've been reacting to the fact they've dieted for years and 53 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,280 because of that, they've lost muscle mass. 54 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,160 They've stressed their body out just immensely. 55 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,920 And we need to react and solve that problem before we can 56 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:27,680 approach the weight loss problem. 57 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,040 So yes, still love those ladies, still help them, still serve 58 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,960 them, but it also hurts. Like I don't want to see that 59 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,400 for everyone for the rest of life. 60 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,920 And so I've kind of shifted to being more proactive and now I 61 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:44,480 want to help people, I don't know, 30 years old, maybe a 62 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,040 little younger, maybe a little bit older and catch them before 63 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,560 they're on their 10th, 15th, 20th diet and, and maybe on 64 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,360 their first, third or fifth diet. 65 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,520 Say, hey, if you keep going down this path, you're going to end 66 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,480 up just like the ladies I helped in the past. 67 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,240 And I don't want that. So let's do things the right way 68 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,520 now and make Lifeway easier now and later. 69 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,800 Totally. Let me ask you this. 70 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,280 So from a competitive standpoint, when you diet down 71 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,760 for a show, you know, like using myself as an example, I might be 72 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,240 dieting for 25 to 35 weeks on a longer prep. 73 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,680 I'll lose 20, thirty, 40 lbs in that process, get diced down, 74 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,640 regulate my metabolism and my hormones and I'll take 3-4, 75 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,800 maybe even five months reverse dieting back up to a healthy 76 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,560 maintenance when that's from a competitive step. 77 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,320 It's pretty typical when you are non competitor and you've been 78 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,120 chronically under eating for the last 20 years. 79 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,360 You honestly go through a pretty similar shift. 80 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,960 You know, in taking three, 4-5 months, bringing their calories 81 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,960 back up, bringing their training protocol back up, improving 82 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,240 hormonal health and metabolic function. 83 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,720 When you're talking about someone that who's not broken or 84 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,560 not broken is a bad word. I don't remember like using the 85 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,160 word broken, but like when you talk about someone that's not 86 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,280 really gone down that path to begin with, they don't have this 87 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,920 chronic under eating phenomenon taking place. 88 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,360 How do you approach that? Like do you kind of proactively 89 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,520 say, OK, we got to take calories down, What goes down? 90 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,720 Let's come back up? Like how does that frame things 91 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,120 differently? Yeah, absolutely. 92 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,320 Number one, I'm really glad you didn't ask me a question about 93 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,160 competing because I was going to be so lost. 94 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,880 That is not my gym. I think that's you. 95 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,600 But yeah, when we when we have somebody come to us and before 96 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,680 anything, I guess we should start with this before anything. 97 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,240 If somebody starts working with us, we take at least the first 98 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,400 seven days, sometimes 14 and we don't change anything. 99 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,120 We just observe, right. Because in order to help 100 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,320 somebody, we need to 1st understand what is their life 101 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,080 look like now, which gives us a pretty good guess of what has 102 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,640 their life look like for an extended period of time. 103 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,920 And so if we find that somebody is under eating but not losing 104 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,600 weight, and that's true, right? Some people think they're under 105 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,720 eating and then they're a weekend warrior and go crazy, 106 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,200 that's a different conversation. But if they're under eating and 107 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,360 not losing weight, then we need to explain to them. 108 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,200 Look, on paper, scientifically, you're doing everything right to 109 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,640 lose weight, but your body is stressed to the Max. 110 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,760 Hormones are probably far out of whack. 111 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,520 And I can tell you this without doing blood work and you've 112 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,640 probably lost a lot of muscle, which means you've lost a lot of 113 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,200 metabolism, right? A lot of the ability to eat a 114 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,360 normal amount of food and not gain weight. 115 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,200 And so before anything, before we get to the weight loss that 116 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,480 you're here for, we need to fix that issue, right? 117 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,160 We need to remove the stress from your body, show your body 118 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,040 it's OK to eat more food and, and burn those calories rather 119 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,880 than hang on to them. And in the process get you in 120 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,760 the gym, get you lifting some weights and get that muscle back 121 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,760 on your body so that you can eat normal amounts of food and and 122 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,240 not gain weight and hopefully even lose it while eating 17 123 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,760 eighteen 1900 calories a day. Yeah, yeah. 124 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:02,000 No, I totally agree man. I feel like the the concept of 125 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,400 reverse standing is applicable whether you step on stage and 126 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,760 compete or not. You mentioned, I mean, you 127 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,800 mentioned getting like baselines established first. 128 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,400 I feel like that's key. A lot of people will look at 129 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,440 somebody's stats, their age, their sex, and OK, you should be 130 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,280 consuming X amount of calories and you know, set it and forget 131 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:18,560 it and you'll see the results you want. 132 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:19,720 But that's just so far from the truth. 133 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,600 Like I always figure out what they've been eating, what their 134 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,640 last six months of dieting history look like, you know, 135 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,720 because all of that's going to shift the direction you take 136 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,360 going forward. When they are eating a healthy 137 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,200 amount of food. Like when when they're going 138 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,440 through this initial consult with you, tracking their initial 139 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,520 intake and you're kind of analyzing what their true 140 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,960 consumption is, What stands out to you as like a healthy amount 141 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,160 of food? Everyone's obviously going to be 142 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,560 a little bit different based off of their stats and their age. 143 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,760 But generally speaking, for women specifically, what is a 144 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,680 generally healthy amount of caloric intake on a day-to-day 145 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,840 basis? Yeah, I love it. 146 00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:56,640 You nailed it. Everyone's going to be 147 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,760 different, but to give a range, I would say for somebody that's 148 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,880 that's not super tiny, right? So like 5 foot three or less and 149 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,920 not completely sedentary, I would say like 18 to 2400 150 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,880 calories a day for someone that lives a, a semi active to active 151 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,400 lifestyle is normal. And I'm willing to guess that 152 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,200 the person that I work with on a regular basis just about fell 153 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,360 out of their chair when I said that. 154 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,480 Yeah, no, I totally agree. I've got a few females right now 155 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,520 that are consuming like 3300 calories and maintaining a 156 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,600 healthy weight. Generally speaking. 157 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,160 I always tell my my females, it's like, look, I want you to 158 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,360 be able to maintain a healthy weight north of 2000 calories. 159 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,400 I've got a few that are like tiny five, 210 lbs. 160 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,480 You know, maybe they can justify less than 2000, but out of 161 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,240 maintenance. I mean, generally speaking, 162 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,360 north of 2000 is where I like to see them. 163 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,720 And so many of them are consuming far, far, far less 164 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,400 than that. And a lot of them just don't 165 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:53,760 realize how much they are consuming. 166 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,400 So like when you're tracking this and you're having them 167 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,880 tracking for the first week or two by a percentage, how many of 168 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,720 them are truly consuming what they think they're consuming or 169 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,040 they just totally off the deep end? 170 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,840 Yeah. So, so it's actually rare that 171 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,240 they're off the deep end, right, Because because we've been doing 172 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,640 what we do for so long, we attract that type of person 173 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,680 where it's like, look, they've dieted a lot and they do know 174 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,120 how to track and they do have a good feel for how much they're 175 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,800 eating. And they're pretty accurate, you 176 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,520 know, maybe they're 200, three, 100 calories off, but generally 177 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,720 they're at 1500 or less. And, and it's not uncommon for 178 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,760 us to see somebody eating 800 to 1200 calories a day. 179 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,960 But man, I love what you just said about you have a couple 180 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,799 ladies that you're working with. They're at like 3300 calories. 181 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,880 That's the game to play. Like, yes, we can, we can input 182 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,240 body metrics into a TD EE calculator all day long. 183 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,440 But at the end of the day, that's just a rough guess from 184 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,800 an algorithm, from an equation that somebody made years ago. 185 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,000 Our name of the game, and it sounds like you too, is find out 186 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,480 how much we can push the limits right? 187 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,760 Can you eat 2500 calories a day and not gain weight or lose it? 188 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,000 Perfect. Can you have 262728? 189 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,400 Like what's the tipping point to where you can Max out your food 190 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,120 consumption and not gain weight? Yeah, I think that's the goal 191 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,760 because if you, the more calories you have to work with, 192 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,320 the more leverage you can pull, the more runway you have to 193 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,920 manipulate when you do transition to a fat loss phase. 194 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,080 And I feel like very few people bring that to the forefront of 195 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,040 knowledge of these people that are not competing. 196 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,640 Like when you're competing, it's kind of common, commonly 197 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:32,960 understood. But when you're not, I mean, the 198 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,880 same principles apply whether you step on stage or not because 199 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,760 we're all the same species. So all of that applies when it 200 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,520 comes to mindset. Let's talk about that because I 201 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,960 feel like you and I both have an interest in mindset specifically 202 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,600 except shapes so much of how we interact with our clients. 203 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,040 But when you're talking with someone that's been, you know, 204 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,520 50-60 years old, they've been chronically under eating for the 205 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,680 last 20-30 forty years. How does that shift in mindset 206 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:59,760 compared with someone that's 20 or 30 and they're just now 207 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,400 getting into this and they're just coming out of like, you 208 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,360 know, they're just now starting to take interest in their health 209 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,440 because they probably got away with a lot more than they should 210 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,680 when they're, you know, adolescent age and they're 211 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:11,040 eating everything and, you know, college and whatnot. 212 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,040 So how does the conversation differ between those that have 213 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,480 been chronically doing this for the last 30 years versus those 214 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,680 that are just trying to get set up on the right foot going 215 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:21,200 forward? Yeah, absolutely. 216 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,640 And you nailed it. So number one, for the ladies 217 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:28,640 that are fifty 60-70 around that and they've been dieting for, 218 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,680 like you said, three decades, whatever it may be, like they're 219 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:36,000 experienced, they they know what they've done for a long time, 220 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,440 but it's almost easier at that point because they also know 221 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,920 what they've done hasn't worked. Like they're still here looking 222 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,680 for a result. And so it's a really easy 223 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:50,000 conversation or perspective shift when when you say, look, 224 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,240 you're here for help, right answer's always yes. 225 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,920 OK, awesome. And so you've done all these 226 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,520 things for the past X amount of years and you're still here, 227 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:58,920 right? Yes. 228 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,560 OK. And So what are the similarities 229 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:01,960 across what you've done in the past? 230 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,400 Well, you've ate less, way less, and you've moved way more. 231 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,160 And that didn't get you the result you want, correct? 232 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:12,640 Correct. Well, if you want a different 233 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,160 outcome, you're going to need to do something different, right? 234 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,480 And so what's different from eating less and moving more, 235 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,120 eating a little bit more and moving a little bit less? 236 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:23,520 And so sometimes that's the click. 237 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,560 And, and if not, all we do is, is hold up a few transformation 238 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:29,560 pictures that brought them in like, all right, well, you want 239 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:31,000 it, you want to have this body, right? 240 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,040 Yes, great. What this person did is exactly 241 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,320 what we're going to do for you. So you just got to trust the 242 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,160 process a little bit. How do you navigate the waters 243 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,840 of like menopause and hormonal shifts with that demographic 244 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,600 because they've got that variable turned to the equation 245 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,720 as well? Yeah, so that's not really my 246 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,040 jam. We don't talk too much about 247 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,920 hormones. We don't talk too much about 248 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,560 menopause in depth. But what I can say is that a lot 249 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:02,720 of a lot of women will come to me, say, hey, I am 250 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,600 perimenopausal, postmenopausal, whatever it may be, and my 251 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,280 hormones are to blame for my lack of weight loss. 252 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,160 And I always level with them. I say, OK, you know what? 253 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,680 You might be right. But before we get into these 254 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:18,640 advanced things, why don't we look at the foundational things 255 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,840 that we know produce results? Let me see your food logs for 256 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:27,320 the past 30 days. Let me see your exercise, how 257 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,120 you tracked it, your progressive overload for the past 30 days. 258 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,520 Let me see your sleep. Let me see your steps. 259 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,560 And if they can't produce that for the last 30 days, if they're 260 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:39,000 not doing the fundamental things that you and I both know create 261 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,520 results, then they don't have the right to point the finger at 262 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,920 hormones yet. Yeah, no, I think that's very 263 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,040 fair analysis, man. Like people, hormones are like 264 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,960 the, the where people immediately go because they can, 265 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,040 especially all the technologies nowadays, they can immediately 266 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,200 shift those numbers. But if the underlying 267 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,160 foundational habits and routines aren't in place, then it's all 268 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,240 for not to begin with. So and you look at, you know, a 269 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,360 menopausal woman, they're worried about, you know, 270 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,120 testosterone taking is going to have a negative effect on bone 271 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,320 mineral density, loss of lean tissue down regulated metabolic 272 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,360 rate as a result of that. It's like all of that for sure 273 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,800 can be impacted by hormonal manipulation, but all of that 274 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,840 can equally be impacted by eating more food and training 275 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,680 with intensity in a strategic manner that's allowing yourself 276 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,680 to recover and, you know, build more muscles. 277 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:31,120 So like looking at one without the other, I feel like it's just 278 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,480 a a non worthwhile use of one's efforts and resources. 279 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,040 I. Mean what happens when, when you 280 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:43,280 no longer have the means to get those hormones or to use those 281 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,600 hormones or even this, like I've, I've had so many people on 282 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,920 my show, right, because I just admittedly said I'm not the 283 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,600 hormone guy. So I try to learn from other 284 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,400 people. I've had so many people say, 285 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,600 yes, hormones can help you, but so many times you have to have 286 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,560 this just right, this perfect balance of your testosterone, 287 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:01,920 your progesterone, your estrogen. 288 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,280 If not, look, you're going to feel equally as shitty, just in 289 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,040 a different way, right? And so again, back to the 290 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,320 basics. Why don't we just fall in love 291 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,040 with a version of nutrition exercise that works for you and 292 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,480 serves you at the same time? Totally agree. 293 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,360 Do you have somebody reverse that longer based off of if 294 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,280 they've been doing this 20-30 years versus someone that's 295 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,960 doing it for the first time? Like how much longer do you 296 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,600 increase that window reversed adding time? 297 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:34,240 Absolutely. I mean, not uncommon for us as 298 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,160 we'll have women come to us that they've been on Weight Watchers 299 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,960 since they were thirteen or seven or, or whatever it is 300 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,360 because their mom or their gym teacher or their, their sports 301 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,320 coach said, hey, you're a little bit too big. 302 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,040 I I want the best for you. Weight Watchers is going to be 303 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,720 great. And yeah, they had the best of 304 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,280 intentions, but they didn't know any better. 305 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,320 And so there, that young girl has learned that that's 306 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,280 nutrition, counting points, restricting yourself. 307 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,000 And now they come to me and they're 40. 308 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,160 So they've been on this for for 20 to 30 years. 309 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,640 And yeah, I mean, it's going to take longer to reverse the 310 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,840 damage that diets have done than for somebody that dieted for six 311 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,120 months, right. And so there's no set time 312 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,640 frame. What we like to do is look at 313 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,800 biomarkers. OK, so how are you feeling? 314 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,080 How are you sleeping? How's your sex drive, has your 315 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,120 focus, has your mood? And based on that generally 316 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,040 gives us a pretty good understanding of like, OK, the 317 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:34,840 body is now back in a closer to homeostatic place or you know 318 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,120 what, it still needs a little bit of love. 319 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,440 We need to reverse diet for longer. 320 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,760 Yeah, totally agree man. For me, like as a competitor 321 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,400 kind of balancing the cutting and building phases in the most 322 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,240 optimal manner I would think possible. 323 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,880 I always trying to do like at least three times longer in a 324 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,840 building phase and a cutting phase because it obviously takes 325 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,680 longer to build muscle especially naturally than it 326 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,720 does to lose body fat. So if I'm trying to optimize for 327 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,600 both, I'll try and at least triple the amount of time I'm 328 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,120 going to build it than I am in a cut. 329 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,960 But you tell that to someone that's been chronically under 330 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,280 eating for 20 years, they're not going to take the next 60 years 331 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,320 to build. So you got to kind of play it 332 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,640 accordingly in that regard. But it's super important, man. 333 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,200 Like people, I've always told people you have to have a 334 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,360 minimum, minimum of six months in a build eating at a higher 335 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,040 caloric intake. Cause a lot happens 336 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,720 psychologically when you eat more food as well. 337 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,480 And that's, that's challenging thing, man. 338 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,160 Like for competitors, the reverse diet is honestly harder 339 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,840 than the cut. Because when you've got a cut, 340 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,000 you got a very specific time frame, you've got a show date on 341 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,480 the calendar or you got a photo shoot or a wedding or a vacation 342 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:39,760 or something you're trying to look good for. 343 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,800 And then it's like that, that date is, you know, set in stone. 344 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,040 Like I'm going to optimize for that. 345 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,440 But once that's removed and you're on the other side of it, 346 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,920 it's like what's holding someone to adhere to eating more food, 347 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,560 not being tempted to drop back into a deficit and lean out 348 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,520 more, embracing a little bit of body fat that comes with eating 349 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,400 at a higher caloric intake. Like that is the murkier side of 350 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,080 the equation that a lot of people struggle with. 351 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,640 I struggle with it. I've struggled with it. 352 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:06,839 I think every competitor does to some extent. 353 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:10,880 Like when you compete, you open the doors to body dysmorphia in 354 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,839 some form or fashion, but you also have the tools to change 355 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:15,119 it. And I feel like that is more 356 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,160 powerful and empowering than the ignorance that comes with not 357 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,359 knowing the path to take. Man, I am in the thick of that 358 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,760 right now. And so I'm not a competitor. 359 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,840 I don't, I don't have any, any aspirations of competing, but I 360 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,320 do like to evolve constantly right mentally and physically. 361 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,520 And so I'll go through the, the building cutting phases. 362 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,480 Right now I'm in a big build. The goal for me long term is 363 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,800 above 200 lbs, under 10% body fat. 364 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:47,400 And so right now, spending more time in a build, man, I'm soft 365 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,360 compared to what I usually AM. And it gets in my head almost 366 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:52,640 daily. It's like, well, my ABS are 367 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,240 gone. Maybe I can see one if the 368 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,680 lighting's fray and then the stars are aligned, but that 369 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,280 messes with you. Whereas when you're cutting 370 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,600 like, great, let's see some ABS, let's get some veins, right? 371 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,480 And that feels so much better. So totally understand that. 372 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,320 What is your body fat now? Do you know? 373 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,160 I have no idea. Probably around like 1415%. 374 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,320 Do you feel like everything else has improved? 375 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,960 Like your strength markers, your recovery, libido, just stress. 376 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,840 All that's improved with the higher body fat. 377 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:27,800 Everything except for stress, just because I keep piling more 378 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,280 on personally. But yeah, so obviously tracking 379 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,520 workouts, that's way higher than if I was in a cut or in the 380 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,920 past. Energy's up, libido's up, sleep 381 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,760 is better. Everything's better than when 382 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,040 I'm going to cut except for physique. 383 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,040 And so that's that fine line we sometimes have to walk. 384 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:52,760 Is, is what's better long term. And I think always a slightly 385 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,320 higher body fat percentage is better than being shredded, 386 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,160 right. And I'm not saying like hey, 387 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,480 it's OK to live it 25 or 35% body fat, but it's also not OK 388 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,320 to live it 6 in my opinion. Totally agree. 389 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:05,800 What's your caloric intake now? Do you know? 390 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,680 It's like 3400 calories a day. And you feel pretty satiated. 391 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,320 Fairly fairly sedentary. Yeah, you feel pretty satiated 392 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,440 at that intake. Not kind of gnawing hunger at 393 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,840 all times. No, so that's a problem for me. 394 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,640 Like I think my, my intake should be higher, but with as 395 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,840 much as with what I have going on right now, it's hard for me 396 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,120 to get that all in. And so this is where I can kind 397 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:33,320 of level with my clients because while we're playing two 398 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,440 different games, really we're playing the same one, right? 399 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,440 We're trying to hit these calorie goals, which for these 400 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,480 women that have had 1200 calories their whole life, when 401 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,520 we get up to 2400, maybe it is the right amount, but it's damn 402 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,200 hard for them to do it. And so I'm like, hey, I got to 403 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,840 love with you. I'm the same way. 404 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:51,720 But I push and I do my best, and that's what I expect from you 405 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,040 too. Yeah, it's funny man. 406 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,440 Like I'm I'm in a build right now and I'm probably around 407 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,400 between 1718% body fat if I had to guess. 408 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:04,480 But I've got like visible ABS at that body fat because I got so 409 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,360 much muscle as a bodybuilding, you know, being my sport. 410 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,120 So it's like easy to justify it because I've I still look 411 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,920 relatively good compared to the masses. 412 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,480 But like I know what I'm capable of. 413 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,480 So it's hard on me because my standards are different. 414 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,280 But man, I'm eating like 3200 calories right now and I'm just 415 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,600 ravenous. Like I could easily eat 6000 416 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:29,680 calories a day and be satiated, but like I know if I eat 6000 417 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,120 carrots a day, day in day out, like I would just get 418 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:35,400 unnecessarily fat. So like kind of toeing the line 419 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,800 between what's realistic, reasonable, and optimal is 420 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:43,520 always a challenge for me. So what's your thought there? 421 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,840 Because it is this weird balancing act because a lot of 422 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,240 times for our clients, I'll think, hey, if your body's 423 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,200 asking for more food, 9 times out of 10, we're going to give 424 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,680 it more, right? But I think there is this this 425 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,240 difference between them and somebody like you. 426 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:02,320 Like, do you think it would be beneficial to listen to your 427 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,840 body to an extent and give it more fuel? 428 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,320 Or do you think you're at your happy place? 429 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,960 I know you're like 1718%. Have you seen small amounts of 430 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:14,000 gradual increase in body fat recently? 431 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,560 Yeah. I mean, I'm kind of like, you 432 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,000 know, I did two months of intuitive eating November and 433 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,200 December of this past year and I got like 200 lbs and 200 lbs at 434 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,360 my frame of five, seven and a half 5/8. 435 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:29,440 Just too much body fat. Like I was just softer that I 436 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,960 wanted to be. So now I'm holding around one 437 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:38,120 89190 and I feel pretty good, but I'm still hungry because I'm 438 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:41,840 eating, you know, closer to 3000 calories as opposed to, you 439 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,440 know, 4 or 5000 calories. And I could definitely eat more 440 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,680 and I would be happier from a satiety standpoint for sure. 441 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,720 But there's no point in me going beyond 20% body fat from a 442 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,960 performance standpoint. Like there's no going to, 443 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,720 there's not going to be any increase in strength output or 444 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,280 total volume lifted. So like it's hard to justify 445 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,680 there when I'm looking at the numbers. 446 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:07,800 What I need to do is lean out a little bit, kind of maintain 447 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:13,720 around 1415% body fat, and then just work my calories back up to 448 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,200 maintaining that composition at 3000 to 3500. 449 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,280 That's what I need to do, because then I wouldn't have to 450 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,640 lose as much weight going into a competition either. 451 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,400 But it's hard for me to build, to justify going into a 452 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,240 legitimate cut because I don't have a show date that I'm doing 453 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,080 this year. So for me, doing like a mini cut 454 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,640 is just a waste of time, so to speak. 455 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,760 But I know that I would feel better and be more confident how 456 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,200 I looked, which probably reduce overall stress. 457 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,400 There's like lots of moving pieces, as you know. 458 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,840 But but yeah, man, it's it's very important to have, you 459 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,240 know, those times in a bill, those times in a cut and just to 460 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,720 allow yourself to eat till satiety if it's all coming from 461 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,240 good quality food as well. I mean, like, people can eat a 462 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,200 lot of cramp. I mean, I can totally justify 463 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,240 another 2000 calories of, you know, dip into the jar of peanut 464 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,560 butter, but I know it's probably not going to be the best source 465 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,880 of those calories, you know? Probably not man. 466 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,120 What what we're saying right now is, is ultimately close to a 467 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:16,680 level that I want all of our clients to get right. 468 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,400 Maybe maybe we're not talking about it as in depth, but I want 469 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,760 people thinking in the ways we're thinking right. 470 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,600 You understand that you going from 17 to 18% down to 14 or 15 471 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:30,840 has tons of benefits, but it also has its cons, right? 472 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,600 So I think what we're getting at here is foresight. 473 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,080 Like if somebody has the foresight to sit down and 474 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,800 reflect on what's more important, what's going to do me 475 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,480 better in the long haul, I think that's what's at least the piece 476 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,680 of what's going to help somebody stay successful long term. 477 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,000 Yeah, and The thing is too, like I had a client in town this past 478 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,720 weekend and he was here with me and his body fats a little bit 479 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,600 higher, but he had just done like a crazy cut, got shredded. 480 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,960 And now he's reversed adding up in a building phase. 481 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,520 And he's been in building phase for a while now. 482 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,600 And like what I'm trying to tell people, I'm sure you do the 483 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,640 same, but like the more times you cycle through the building 484 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,040 and cutting phases in a healthy, sustainable manner, the better 485 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:17,000 your, you know, build phase at the peak of your build looks and 486 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,880 the better your cut phase at the, you know, depth of your cut 487 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,200 looks like that shifts drastically the more times you 488 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,680 cycle through this in a healthy manner. 489 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,920 So like, while I am unhappy with how I look now at 1780% body fat 490 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,040 in 190 lbs, it is significantly better than how I looked the 491 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,920 first time I went into a build and bulked up to 230 lbs. 492 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,120 It was just sloppy. So like your perspective shifts, 493 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,600 but so does your physiological markers. 494 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,960 And as long as you have that within a, you know, tighter 495 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,600 realm, your body is able to maintain that healthier window 496 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,000 much more effortlessly each time you cycle through. 497 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,040 Absolutely. And I think repetition, just 498 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,840 going through those cycles back and forth makes you better at 499 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,520 each one, right? And so every time maybe it gets 500 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,480 one or two percent easier. And again, if it's easier 501 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,520 lowering stress levels, that's going to play massively into the 502 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,240 results you get on each end I would assume. 100% what? 503 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,440 What's your take on intuitive eating? 504 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,760 Because a lot of people, especially if they're not 505 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,920 competing, they don't want to be a slave of tracking macros. 506 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,320 They want to be able to eat healthy foods and just like let 507 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,160 their body do its thing and be happy with how they're looking, 508 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,440 letting it do its thing. So where do you where do you 509 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,440 kind of draw the line there? That's where I want everybody to 510 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,240 get and I'd, I'd love to hear your opinion on this, but it's 511 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,720 where I want everyone to get because not everyone's like you 512 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,280 and me, man. People have lives that have 513 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,400 different passions outside of this. 514 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,520 And I don't think this whole conversation should be so time 515 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,480 consuming for the rest of life. Yes, if you work with me 516 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,080 one-on-one or my coaches, you're going to track your food, but 517 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,280 not forever. I want somebody to understand 518 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,760 the feedback their body gives them. 519 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,200 I want somebody to understand what foods contain what macros 520 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,840 and what calories. And I want somebody to 521 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,440 understand eyeballing portion sizes accurately. 522 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,080 After that, I just want them to build a lifestyle they enjoy 523 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,880 that serves them. And I think with that 524 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,960 combination of things, people should be able to intuitively 525 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,640 eat and maintain a slightly fluctuating body that they're 526 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,960 happy with. Yeah, totally agree man, Totally 527 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,120 agree. How long have you been coaching 528 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:36,960 now in? Seven years? 529 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,960 Six or seven years. Seven years. 530 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,760 What pisses you off the most about coaching in that time? 531 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,640 Oh man, I mean, my business is now called Diet Detox, so that 532 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,120 should speak enough, right? I, I just want to detox 533 00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:53,920 everybody from the damage that diets do. 534 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,000 And it's not like I have a vendetta for any diet 535 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,760 specifically, right? I don't hate carnivore, I don't 536 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,360 hate paleo, I don't hate keto. What I hate is the restrictive 537 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:08,600 bullshit that people get taught and eventually believe that they 538 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,120 need to live on for the rest of their life, right? 539 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,560 The the whole conversation around good and bad foods, the 540 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,400 fact that people think they need to live like a robot and if they 541 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,160 don't, if they have something they enjoy, then they lost. 542 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,560 Like that's what I hate. Yeah, as far as good and bad 543 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,520 foods go, I mean, you I'm sure would agree that a, you know, a 544 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,360 rib eye steak with a garnish of Brussels sprouts cooked in a 545 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,560 quality olive oil is more nutritionally sound than that of 546 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,840 equal calories coming from crumble cookie. 547 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,560 But how do you? I've never had a crumble cookie 548 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,040 by the way, with those things get some pretty pretty crazy 549 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:55,600 macros, but how do you frame one as not being good or bad given 550 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,280 that? I think there's different 551 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,040 definitions of good and bad, right? 552 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,600 If we're talking about healthy and unhealthy, you're right all 553 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,600 day long. If we're talking about tasting 554 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,680 good and tasting bad, if somebody hates Brussels sprouts 555 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,120 and loves crumble cookies, well, there's your answer there. 556 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,440 That's a very extreme example, but at the same time, if 557 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,520 somebody can have one cookie and that stops them not talking 558 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,000 about like a 5000 calorie crumble cookie, I'm talking 559 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,840 about like a Chips Ahoy and that stops them from binging on the 560 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,840 rest of the sleeve. Man. 561 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,600 I think that cookie was good. It served a good purpose. 562 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,800 And so that's why I kind of get rid of the definition of good 563 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,960 and bad because it can so drastically change. 564 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,480 Yeah, I think a lot of people, I think a lot of people just do 565 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,680 better in my, in my sphere, in my demographic. 566 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,160 They're kind of more of like extremists in nature. 567 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,760 Like I'm working with predominantly ketogenic 568 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,760 carnivore clientele. So they don't have a great 569 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,560 relationship with carbohydrates and hyper palatable processed 570 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,880 foods. So like they're not one to 571 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,760 moderate things. Well, a lot of them go towards 572 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,240 the ketogenic carnivore diet realm because having those, you 573 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,160 know, guardrails up, so to speak, is easier for them, more 574 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,400 sustainable for them than trying to moderate a mix of different 575 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,760 foods in which they're more prone to go off the deep end and 576 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,880 eat that whole sleeve. I don't, I mean, I haven't had 577 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,120 carbs in 10-11 years now, but I feel like I would be able to 578 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,640 avoid eating a whole sleeve of Oreos. 579 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,200 But I don't feel like it. I don't crave it anymore, I 580 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,160 think because I've just been doing this for so long. 581 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,280 But I don't feel like I'm missing out by not having it. 582 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,720 But I feel like so much of dieting culture and how you got 583 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,280 to frame consumption for each individual is totally dependent 584 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,480 on what they view as shameful eating. 585 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,240 Because I feel like shame is literally the catalyst for 586 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,560 everything. And when it comes to food, 587 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,240 that's the the catalyst for them binging, purging for finding 588 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,720 peace with something or finding total unrest with something. 589 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,800 So like it all stems to what they feel shame around. 590 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,720 And some people are going to feel shame towards those foods 591 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,440 and some people aren't. And you got to just adjust the 592 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,880 conversation accordingly. Shame, guilt, yeah, you name it. 593 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,760 I think the reason that, and you can correct me if I'm wrong or 594 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,600 add your two cents. I think the reason you're so 595 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,080 successful on this, right and you don't have this need for 596 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,000 carbs or this desire is because you've probably created a 597 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,480 lifestyle and, and this nutritional menu inside your 598 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,080 brain that you love. And so it's like, well, I 599 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,760 already love the shit I eat. I don't need other stuff. 600 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,640 And this serves me. So then I also have this 601 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,120 positive reward that way. I think, I think part of the 602 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:42,720 reason carbs can get so tricky mentally is because if you eat a 603 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,200 carb, if you have a higher amount of carbs than you usually 604 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,480 have, you wake up in the morning and you're heavier, right? 605 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,320 They're like a sponge. You're going to retain water. 606 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,440 And I think that massive weight fluctuation is so hard for so 607 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,680 many people that, like you said, for some people, it's easier to 608 00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,920 speak. You know what, that's it. 609 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,520 No more carbs. I'm going to create a life I 610 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,680 love without them. Protein and fats are good to go 611 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,680 and I love that. Would you agree or do you have a 612 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,000 different take on that? No, I totally agree. 613 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,120 I feel like, you know, I mean, if I have something that's just 614 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,800 crazy salty, I'm going to see a pretty significant increase in 615 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,720 fluid retention the next day. And that's going to have a, you 616 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,040 know, similar reflection on the scale. 617 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,880 But like for me, I, I enjoy everything I eat. 618 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,240 Like, I don't feel like I'm missing out by not eating it. 619 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,640 And I'll still have some of those foods. 620 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,200 Like my wife makes a delicious keto cheesecake. 621 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,760 She makes these keto cookies. And I can totally overdo it on 622 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,040 those foods, but she doesn't make them often. 623 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,920 It's less convenient. Like we're making them by hand. 624 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,680 So like when I do eat them, I don't really feel guilty for it 625 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,440 because it's not very frequent and because it's all using 626 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,000 quality ingredients. But like, I feel like so much of 627 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,680 our society is just in a convenience mindset around food 628 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,200 and it's not anything out of the norm for them to stop at a fast 629 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,440 food joint or pick up something in the prepackaged food out at a 630 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,480 grocery store. And most of those foods are not 631 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,680 really healthy by default. So they're just inundated with 632 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,720 those options that they then feel guilt and shame around. 633 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,600 Or maybe they just truly are ignorant. 634 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,240 It's it's crazy. Except like people, they know 635 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,400 that fast food isn't healthy, but they still eat it. 636 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,640 Like I've come to a place in life where everything that I 637 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,600 consume I would consider to be very healthy. 638 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,800 If I eat too much of it, I'm still going to get fan. 639 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,040 And if I eat too little of it, I may be hungry, but everything I 640 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,360 eat is what I would consider quality. 641 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,080 So I don't have that sense of shame around the foods I eat. 642 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,320 But I'm, again, I've been doing this for, you know, a decade or 643 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,000 more. So like, it's taken me a long 644 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,680 time to get to that place where I don't feel neglect or 645 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,600 sacrifice or banned from not eating those foods that most 646 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,320 people put on a pedestal. I'm with you. 647 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,800 I love that man. I don't know if it's, I don't 648 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,960 know if it's ignorance for people going to fast food, 649 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,040 because you're right. I don't think there's anyone on 650 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,520 the planet that that thinks fast food is healthy. 651 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,000 I think we've uncovered that stone by now. 652 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,600 I almost wonder if it's a, is it a convenience thing? 653 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,960 And just like not knowing other ways to be as convenient and 654 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,080 healthy at the same time. Is it a well, I think clean 655 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,680 eating is more expensive thing. Like there's so many different 656 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,920 directions from that, but I wish we knew. 657 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,600 Yeah, it's, it's interesting, man. 658 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,280 Like I don't this kind of stems back from the is it good or bad, 659 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,400 you know, labeling. I mean, I could eat a fast food 660 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,840 meal and I, I don't think that it's going to automatically 661 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,920 cause me to gain 20 lbs and give me a heart attack tomorrow. 662 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,640 But at the same time, I think the fact that I associate that 663 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,000 with legitimate poison has been a positive reference point for 664 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,120 me, because if I view it as poison, then I'm not inclined to 665 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,720 want it. And I feel like maybe it's 666 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,240 ignorance for some people to, maybe they don't realize how bad 667 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,440 it is. And in moderation, it's not that 668 00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,880 bad. Like if 90% of everything you're 669 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,720 eating is quality food and you have a fast food meal, it's not 670 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,520 like they will by any means. I don't want to be this. 671 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,880 Like there's some people in the keto carnivore space that are 672 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,480 very dogmatic about that. I don't want to be that. 673 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,000 But at the same time, I think it's a net positive for me that 674 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,639 I associate those foods with legitimate poison because then 675 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:17,280 it's easier for me to turn away from them. 676 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,960 I love it, Yeah. I mean, I would, I would argue 677 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,480 that one time or or very infrequent times of just about 678 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,280 anything isn't going to kill you. 679 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,840 Like you're fine, especially if the rest of your life is 680 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,920 healthy. I'm not. 681 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,719 As far as you in terms of like the poison thing, yes, I know 682 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,480 it's unhealthy and it's definitely making me slightly 683 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,480 worse every time I have it, but I just don't like it. 684 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,760 It's just not appealing, right? And I'm someone that likes ice 685 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,679 cream, I like carbs, I like crappy foods. 686 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:50,480 But I go buy a Taco Bell, AKFC, you name it. 687 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,760 My body just doesn't want it. And I think that that happens 688 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,080 naturally over time after leading a healthier lifestyle. 689 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,040 Yeah, I think it kind of goes back to perspective, because 690 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,320 once you recognize how much better you feel when you don't 691 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,280 have it, you're more in tune to how your body feels when you do, 692 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,240 which kind of puts that repulsive measure back into your 693 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,360 mind when you have it available to you. 694 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,880 I feel like a lot of people just simply, maybe they're not 695 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,920 ignorant, but maybe they just simply don't know what feeling 696 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,960 good feels like. So they've got, they just lack 697 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,800 that perspective in its totality. 698 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,440 Well, here's the problem with that. 699 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,560 I think special maybe just for the people that I serve, right? 700 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,360 They've, they've dieted for so long that their baseline is 701 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,600 just, they think is feeling good, but they, they haven't 702 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,880 felt good in so long that they forget what that is. 703 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,040 And so they're just so used to whatever their baseline is. 704 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,240 Like how you doing today? I'm good. 705 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,000 Like, are you actually, or did you just forget how freaking 706 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,880 amazing you can feel when you move your body and sleep 8 hours 707 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,640 and do something you enjoy to make you mentally happy and eat 708 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,360 foods that are good for you, right. 709 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,520 And, and I think that so many times when somebody starts to 710 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,640 work with us after the first week or two weeks, not in the 711 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,720 observation period, but actually applying some simple practices, 712 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:07,560 like, holy shit, I think a new person, I didn't feel good 713 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,720 before. And it's just a baseline thing. 714 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,080 Yeah. And when they start to see that 715 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,920 difference, I mean they get excited about it and then 716 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,880 excitement kind of gives them that staying power to stick with 717 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,800 it to see what what the next level is, you know. 718 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,400 Yeah, I'm totally different here, man, since I don't know 719 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,120 when I I got subscribed to newsletter at some point and 720 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,120 then not too distant past, but I've been getting all these 721 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,600 emails from you, which they're all great by the way. 722 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,920 But let's talk about some businessman. 723 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,560 So you've been coaching for as long as you have. 724 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,040 How do you structure things? Like I want to peel the curtain 725 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,320 back on that. I mean, there's so many coaches 726 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,560 out there. So separating yourself from the 727 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,120 masses and being able to provide value in your own unique way is 728 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,520 no easy task. So how do you structure things? 729 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,080 What's get get you excited from a business standpoint? 730 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,840 Where's the the holes in the market? 731 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,360 What's your niche just talking about that? 732 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,800 Yeah, man, that's hard because for the longest time, and this 733 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,680 goes back to probably our first conversation if anybody listen 734 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,680 to that, but I got bullied in high school a ton and and that 735 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,280 carried over into self worth issues. 736 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,640 And for the longest time as a as a younger gentleman that was 737 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,200 coaching women in midlife, I got a lot of shit for that. 738 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,160 And so again, going into self worth issues, I was putting on 739 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:20,480 this facade or this mask being somebody else in order for 740 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,200 people to like me so that I can help them. 741 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:28,800 And in the past, probably 6 to 9 months, I've removed it because 742 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,240 my business is healthy enough. I, I like myself enough. 743 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:34,400 I know that I'm a good person and I have good intentions. 744 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,760 And so recently I just screw it. You know what, like that's, 745 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,840 that's kind of what made this proactive shift is I can do 746 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,840 whatever I want and I know I have good intentions that I know 747 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,160 I can help. I can write how I want, speak 748 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,880 how I want, be who I want. And man, I'm not really after a 749 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,080 niche, I'm after somebody that resonates with who I am. 750 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,320 Because at the end of the day, I'm paying my bills, I'm paying 751 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,320 my coaches bills, I'm creating results, and that's all I ever 752 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,440 wanted. So at this point, if somebody 753 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,040 doesn't like me, that's fine, right? 754 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,720 There's somebody like Robert or there's a million other freaking 755 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:09,360 coaches in this world that you might like. 756 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,840 I'm not for everyone, and that's fine #2 I have to know I can 757 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,960 help. And so I'll never do a sales 758 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,680 call, right? I do what's called an 759 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,960 application call, and the application is as much for the 760 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,800 client as it is for me, right? They're applying to work with me 761 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,200 and see if they like me, and I'm applying to them to see if I 762 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,960 like that, right? And if that works and if I can 763 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,120 help somebody, that's kind of where I'll go. 764 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,720 But ultimately, man, like I don't have a niche anymore. 765 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,800 Yeah, if I can help and I like you, then I'd love to. 766 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,200 Well, knowing your intentions definitely does a lot to remove 767 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,040 yourself from this imposter syndrome that you were talking 768 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,720 about in the beginning. Because like, like we get, I 769 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:52,760 mean, I've got multiple businesses. 770 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,760 I got the keto brick and I got an e-mail that I got to respond 771 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,520 to right now about someone just totally throwing shade at me. 772 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,480 And it's like, because of their wording of the e-mail, it's very 773 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,920 obvious that they do not know anything about me and they don't 774 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,560 know anything about the brand. They don't know anything about 775 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,880 anything. They just literally are on the 776 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,160 line throwing hate. And it's like when you know your 777 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,200 intentions and if you know that you've done everything you've 778 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,720 done to the best of your ability with pure intentions and utmost 779 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:19,280 integrity and honesty, like those words don't even really 780 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,960 hurt anymore. Like when I first started, I 781 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,400 didn't have a clue what I was doing and people would throw 782 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,200 shade. It's like maybe I'm doing 783 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,240 something wrong, you know, maybe they're right. 784 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:29,200 Maybe I should second guess how I'm going about things. 785 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,400 But once you get some momentum built and you know, you're 786 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,480 helping people and you're getting those positive comments 787 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,000 all the day, when you get those negative ones that are just 788 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,600 clearly a result of people that are unhappy in life, they they 789 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,400 can't really affect you. I mean, you kind of kind of 790 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,680 like, you know, just move past them and brush them aside 791 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,240 because they're, there's a difference between taking 792 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,080 criticism and growing and learning from it. 793 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,960 That's one thing. That's a good thing, You know, 794 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,400 that they got to be humble in that regard. 795 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,000 But like, there are people out there that just want to be 796 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,960 negative, and for those people you're just wasting your time 797 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,720 because they're going to be unhappy no matter what you do. 798 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,040 Man, I'm open to criticism. I love it. 799 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,120 But the first time that what you just said kind of resonated with 800 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,520 me was right between Thanksgiving and Christmas. 801 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,440 For the past two years I've I've run these challenges right 802 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,520 between that holiday gap where the goal isn't weight loss, it's 803 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,760 simply weight maintenance. Because my belief is that if you 804 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,080 can maintain at a time you usually gain, that's still 805 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,960 massive success. And every single dollar that I 806 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,280 generate from those challenges, I then take from the business 807 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,720 account, drive to Walmart and spend every single dollar on 808 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,520 kids toys for our local foster community. 809 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,640 And, and this year we got like $3500. 810 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:42,440 I, I took my step dad's trailer, filled it up with gifts and 811 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,600 brought it to the drop off place and that was it. 812 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,080 You know what? I feel super good about this. 813 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,800 At the end of the challenge, someone that was successful in 814 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,040 maintaining, not gaining was just like, Joe's a piece of 815 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,160 shit. He did this all for fame. 816 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,920 Like all these things like, OK, well I know what I did this for. 817 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,920 It was just to help you and help our community. 818 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:07,480 And so if that's not for you, good luck with your goals, but 819 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,040 I'm not going to help you with them anymore. 820 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,280 And that was it. Yeah, 100%, man, I love that 821 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,080 idea of the challenge too. We just started a challenge as 822 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,120 well. We did 1A while back, but I love 823 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,000 the idea of having a challenge in which the goal was to 824 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,960 maintain weight through the holiday season. 825 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,840 Man, that's super brilliant. It's a harder sell, that's for 826 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:29,080 sure, because it's not sexy, but the ones that get it and the 827 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,240 ones that see that are also the ones that again, resonate with 828 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,840 me and see the bigger picture. And so those are the ones I want 829 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,400 to work with. So it's kind of a double pay 830 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,440 off. Like it weeds them out and it it 831 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,240 helps the ones that see the bigger picture. 100% man. 832 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,760 So you get your so you get your business structured as like a 833 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,640 one-on-one coaching. You do group coaching and the 834 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,200 challenges or how do you like, what are your different 835 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,320 offerings I guess? Yeah. 836 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,120 So we have, we have two coaches that work under me, one-on-one 837 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,320 coaching from both of them. One's amazing at behavior change 838 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,600 and workout programming, also amazing at nutrition. 839 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,640 The other is a registered dietitian. 840 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,360 And so we've got a lot of bases covered there. 841 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,200 Each of them can handle a certain amount of clients. 842 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,240 After that, we cap it and we close registration because if 843 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:14,680 not, the current clients we have are going to suffer like the 844 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,560 bandwidth drops and so do the results. 845 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,280 So we cap them. I do run challenges 846 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,000 periodically, four weeks long, There's no calorie counting, no 847 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,800 food locking. I build the food and fitness 848 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,320 programs and so that way I take out all the guesswork of 849 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,880 creating a result and then they have more bandwidth to focus on 850 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,600 what I think really matters for long term results, which is 851 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,560 mindset and behavior change and identity change. 852 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,160 So we focus a lot on that and then pass that. 853 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,400 Man, I just want to help. I have a couple other businesses 854 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,400 I have my hands in and so I'm not trying to make $1,000,000 855 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,640 off this. I'm just trying to change some 856 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,840 lives. I love it man. 857 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,400 What are the businesses you get cooking? 858 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,160 Are you at liberty to tell? Yeah. 859 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,840 So I, I bought a restaurant in our town. 860 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,480 It's probably one of the more popular ones. 861 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:05,240 So myself and and a couple others on that. 862 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,840 I am buying into a nutrition certification business as we 863 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,840 speak, probably happen at the end of this month. 864 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,760 Let's see, I work inside of private equity and I'm currently 865 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,760 scaling a cosmetics business. Nice man. 866 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,160 What kind of what kind of restaurants? 867 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,760 Where are you located again in Vermont? 868 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,840 Vermont. What kind of What kind of food 869 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,360 is it? So it's it's a Marina. 870 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,800 It's right on the Connecticut River in southern Vermont, if 871 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,360 anybody knows the area. And obviously with it being a 872 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,280 Marina, there's a little bit of focus on seafood and and fish, 873 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,960 but other than that, it's really just an American restaurant. 874 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,720 Burgers, steaks, chicken tenders, you name it. 875 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,960 But it's fun. Like it's, it's an established 876 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,320 business. It's been in the community for 877 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,120 like 30, more than 30 years at this point, actually closer to 878 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,560 40. And we just took it and we, we 879 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,160 redid everything like how it looks, how it feels, the staff, 880 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,280 the menu. And it's been, it's been fun 881 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,400 because I had 0 restaurant experience before and now I'm 882 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,080 learning a whole lot about it. And when did you take over? 883 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,720 2 1/2 months ago. That's crazy, man. 884 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,240 Yeah, the food industry is no joke. 885 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:21,080 That's quite the undertake. But it's it's awesome stuff, 886 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:21,840 man. That's exciting. 887 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,120 Thanks. Yeah, it's been fun. 888 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,880 And no, it's it's not easy. There's a lot of moving pieces. 889 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,720 Lots of moving pieces. Health department things, got to 890 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,640 be food grade certified, all that stuff, man. 891 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,760 Lots of moving pieces. But that's I'm actually going to 892 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,720 be up in the Northeast before too long for a conference. 893 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,560 Man, I have to swing by there and get me some fish because I 894 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,160 love fish. You should tell me when. 895 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,400 I will, I will. And then you've also got the 896 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,240 coaching certification program you're looking at dabbling into 897 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,040 when you look at coaching certification program. 898 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,160 So you're a coach. I'm a coach, I've got a 899 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,880 certification, but I don't even promote the fact that I've got a 900 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,280 certification because it's probably lapsed and you know, 901 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,280 out of date expire anyways, because I feel like most people 902 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,520 put more stock in the results you're able to generate. 903 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,440 But like there seems to be this increasing number of 904 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,200 certification programs. Some are probably incredibly, 905 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,520 you know, viable and solid and some are probably just want to 906 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,120 throw their sticker or brand and get like a, you know, pool of 907 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,280 coaches underneath them and get Commission off of that. 908 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,920 How do you navigate what is a solid program versus not like 909 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,640 what, what kind of core pillars or tenants does that need to 910 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,520 provide? I mean it needs to be science 911 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,600 back right there. It needs to be very science 912 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,040 backed in and have proof behind all the statements. 913 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,760 But this is actually a business that's again been in place for 914 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,200 quite a while. It is super reputable. 915 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,480 I'm not going to say the name of it right now. 916 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,560 Maybe if we do this again, I'll tell you what it is. 917 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:50,960 And I'm not going to be full owner. 918 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,320 I'm just I'm just buying a small percentage of it and then 919 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:59,800 operating inside of it. But, and it's hard to say, like 920 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,720 I think that the reason so many people want certifications as a 921 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:06,680 new coach is because they have that imposter syndrome, right? 922 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,280 Because they haven't created the result. 923 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,880 They want something else. And so for people like you and 924 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,200 me that we get it, we get nutrition, we get exercise, we 925 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,920 get mindset, we get all this, we also get how to create a result. 926 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,800 It's less desirable to continue getting more. 927 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,720 But I think it is a great place to start for somebody to have 928 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:27,120 that confidence in themself, because next to nobody else will 929 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,600 have confidence before that. Yeah, totally agree. 930 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:36,160 Remind me how old you are, Joe? 31. 31 What's the what's the 931 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,240 grand scheme, plan, pitcher. Where do you see yourself going 932 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:41,880 for, especially as an opera? You have kids. 933 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,240 I can't remember. Nope, no kids, two dogs and a 934 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:46,920 wife. Two dogs and a wife. 935 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,000 Any kids in the future? So we're at the point right now 936 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,240 where it's like not right now where we're very busy with 937 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,360 personal life and and growth and evolution. 938 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,040 In five years we will re evaluate, but right now we can't 939 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,200 say because life's changing so fast. 940 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,760 We don't know what it will look like then. 941 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,040 So we'll ask herself that question at that point. 942 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,400 Nice nice. Well as it sits currently with 943 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,760 two dogs and wife and no kids, what do you want to go business? 944 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:14,800 Like what? What makes you? 945 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,040 I'm asking these questions selfishly because I've been 946 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,840 doing a lot of self reflection myself. 947 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:25,240 But like what? What is the drive to grow and 948 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:26,440 scale? Like what? 949 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,040 What do you define as enough in life? 950 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,880 Or is there such a thing? Like what's the difference 951 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,160 between contentment and satisfaction? 952 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,400 Like, how do you wrestle with those phrases in your own mind? 953 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,120 Man, you're asking the wrong person. 954 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,440 I would say I have a pretty unhealthy relationship with it. 955 00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:48,760 Right? Anytime I reach a goal, there's 956 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,920 next to no celebration. It's like, OK, we're here, let's 957 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,360 pick up the post and move it further. 958 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,160 And then we walk towards that goal post and once we hit it, we 959 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,880 move it again. And it it's definitely time for 960 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,160 me to do what you're doing, which is sit down, be with 961 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,320 myself, reflect and and find the answers to those questions. 962 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,080 Because if I don't, this is going to be an infinite game. 963 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,040 And while that can be fun, it is nice when I reflect and look 964 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,640 back. I don't think it's healthy, 965 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,680 right? Like, yes, I spend a lot of time 966 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,240 during my week having fun. I've recently fallen in love 967 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:26,960 with jiu jitsu and, and even more recently I just did flying 968 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,440 trapeze and that was super fun. So lots of cool stuff to keep me 969 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,800 happy. But other than that, man, like 970 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,200 if I have downtime, it's like, let's just work, Let's just 971 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,680 grow. Let's just see what we can 972 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,240 create. And I mean, I guess that the 973 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:44,480 stem or the foundation of it was to help my family, right? 974 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,520 There are people inside of my immediate family that don't have 975 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:53,280 the most stable circumstances, and there's nobody there for 976 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,680 them if things go to shit. And I don't want to allow that. 977 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,040 And so the first fuel for me was to make it so that if things 978 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,200 went to shit, there was somebody there for him, and that was me. 979 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,360 And so I think we're good on that front right now, but we 980 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,840 just keep pushing in case more floors fall out. 981 00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,960 It's funny man, because I don't know the answers to these same 982 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,480 questions either. I mean, I in the same way in 983 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,520 that I don't ever celebrate the winds. 984 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:25,120 Like when I published my book, which took me forever, I didn't 985 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,320 do anything except move to the next project. 986 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,880 When I launched my course, the same thing. 987 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,320 When I launched the bricks, the same thing. 988 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,400 When I did my competition and got my pro card, same thing. 989 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:38,000 Like I don't ever like, enjoy and revel in the success of the 990 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,000 fruits of my labor. I just move on to the next 991 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,080 thing. And I love starting new 992 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,120 businesses. I love just growing and 993 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,840 evolving, having the kid. We got another kid on the way, 994 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,400 but having kids was like the first tangible thing in my life 995 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,000 because like my wife, you know, she's super supportive. 996 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,240 Like she'll, you know, she lived in a warehouse floor with me for 997 00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:58,680 three years as we were building the business. 998 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,080 You know, it's like she, she gets it. 999 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,160 She knows what makes me tick and she's willing to be a part of 1000 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,040 the journey and the ride. But like, the interesting thing 1001 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,400 about a kid for me is that they don't care about any of that 1002 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,080 shit. Like they don't care about any 1003 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,680 of that stuff. So like, what I put as a proxy 1004 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,480 for progress or a metric of success is totally obscure to 1005 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,960 them. What they care about is me 1006 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,320 playing on the floor with them for an extra 10 minutes, doing 1007 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,120 nothing productive from a business standpoint, but just 1008 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,920 like being present there. And I love businessman, I love 1009 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,800 fitness, I love nutrition, I love all that stuff. 1010 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,760 And I want to just continue pushing the needle there. 1011 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,960 But I'm trying to figure out how to weigh between that and not 1012 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,120 losing out on being present in those very important moments 1013 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,200 with my son. And in doing that, like him 1014 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,960 being the tangible catalyst for me thinking like this, it's 1015 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,960 forced me to, like, think about what really matters with the 1016 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,280 business. And I haven't got it all figured 1017 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,480 out yet. I mean, this is not me providing 1018 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,000 advice because I don't have any to give, but it's interesting to 1019 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,560 talk to other people. They're in a similar chapter in 1020 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,520 life, having business growth plans and just, you know, 1021 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,440 rocking it because like, it's easy for people like you and I 1022 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:21,200 to just work for the next 40 years and then look back and not 1023 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,040 even know what we did and why. And I mean, we can figure out, 1024 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,040 we can justify everything. Like it makes sense. 1025 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,320 But like, I don't know, it's, it's just tough questions, but I 1026 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,160 love these questions. Well, that's the that's the end 1027 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,440 of that is a super deep conversation, right? 1028 00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,480 It's like if I because I'm 31 now, it's if I work for the next 1029 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,720 40 years and build an empire and I look back, why? 1030 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,280 What was it for what purpose did it serve? 1031 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,320 Like, yes, maybe it created jobs, maybe it helped people 1032 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,280 live happier, healthier lives, whatever it may be. 1033 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,920 But what did it do for me? And like, I have no problem 1034 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,560 saying I'm a selfish person. This is my life. 1035 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,760 I want it to be nice. I want it to be fulfilling. 1036 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,800 And, and what did it do for me If it made me happy, like truly 1037 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,920 happy and I'm not lying to myself, that's great. 1038 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,240 But I do have a fear that if that's all I do, I'm not going 1039 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:16,000 to look back and be truly happy. And so that's a question that I 1040 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,520 do consider like subconsciously more than consciously. 1041 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,320 Well, when you feel like, when you look at your peers, you 1042 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,600 don't want to compare yourself to others, but you, you feel 1043 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,160 deep in the core of your being that you are destined for 1044 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,520 something different, something bigger, something better, 1045 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,200 something grander. The fear of not reaching your 1046 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,640 potential is the biggest fear. Fear of mediocrity is my biggest 1047 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,920 fear for sure. And that can be dangerous 1048 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,240 because then there is no peace no matter what, you know? 1049 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:47,560 So like juggling that is a challenging task to say the 1050 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,680 least. I mean, as you level up, you're 1051 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,200 going to surround yourself with different groups and so your 1052 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,240 definition of mediocre is going to change. 1053 00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:00,040 And if you continue to strive for something above mediocrity, 1054 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,120 you're going to continue to find new groups. 1055 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,960 And so then that's going to be never ending as well. 100% 1056 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,680 ma'am, 100% well, awesome brother. 1057 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,920 What do you have cooking? I know where what like about an 1058 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,040 hour in? What do you have cooking that 1059 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,440 you're excited about? You get the the challenge, you 1060 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,960 get the group coaching or you get the coaching under your two 1061 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,800 people under you. What else in life sketch it just 1062 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,440 stoked. And the life. 1063 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,880 So we have a few more spots in one-on-one coaching once we fill 1064 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,760 that, I honestly don't know if we're on the challenges. 1065 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,080 I might just take that time and personally pour into our 1066 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:39,360 one-on-one clients in in the mindset Ave. that would be fun 1067 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,520 because then everybody's happy. Coaches are happy, clients are 1068 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,600 happy. I'm happy in life, Man, when I 1069 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,720 said I I I recently fell in love with trapeze. 1070 00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:51,400 That was over the weekend. My wife just started taking 1071 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,360 circus classes, doing hoop, and she came home Thursday night at 1072 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,040 9:00. I'm already in bed half asleep. 1073 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,680 She's like, hey, I signed us up for flying trapeze tomorrow. 1074 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,560 And she's talking to the guy that's afraid of heights. 1075 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,240 And I was like, OK, sounds good, I'll be there. 1076 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,360 And man, I was climbing that ladder, shaking like a leaf. 1077 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,520 And this, this flying trapeze is what, 3045 feet in the air? 1078 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,880 And as soon as I did it, I was like, wow, this is so fun. 1079 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,280 So we signed up for the next course on Saturday. 1080 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,000 We learned a few more things. It clicked well just because of 1081 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,040 like a back right in CrossFit and a little bit of gymnastic 1082 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,400 skill. And I found enough. 1083 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,120 So that's fun. And we had the conversation of 1084 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:38,320 just, I don't understand how people can feel bored. 1085 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,560 There's so many things in life that can be fun and exhilarating 1086 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,040 and fulfilling and like business serves that, but jujitsu serves 1087 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,400 that because I have to move my body and think about the next 1088 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,920 step. And trapeze fills that because I 1089 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,800 have to move my body and, and figure out what to do and when 1090 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,880 and listen to somebody as I'm flying through the air and, and 1091 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,560 strength training fills that. It's just I just want to keep 1092 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,120 finding what lights me up, really. 1093 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,960 How do you, how do you do those things like flying trapeze, 1094 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,120 which is awesome by the way, Then then, but it sounds amazing 1095 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,160 knowing that you're growing as a person, you're bettering 1096 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,320 yourself, but it's probably also distracting from your ability to 1097 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,120 be the best coach that you can be. 1098 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,680 Like when you're looking at something that's unrelated, 1099 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,120 seemingly unrelated, how do you justify the time and resource 1100 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,960 and just mental bandwidth spent towards that other thing? 1101 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,720 Easy two ways. Number one, if I don't do any of 1102 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:34,880 that, I'm a piece of shit. Like I am so unhappy that nobody 1103 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,280 wants to be around me. My, it reflects in my content 1104 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,880 that I make. It reflects in the way that I 1105 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,560 meet with my coaches. It reflects in the way that I 1106 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,800 interact with my clients. And so that's unacceptable. 1107 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,880 And so just like I tell my clients, if you want to pour 1108 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,920 into other people's cups, you first need to fill yours. 1109 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,440 So simple. And then guess what? 1110 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,840 I've done Trapeze for a total of 3 hours. 1111 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,800 I suck at it. Guess who else sucks at things? 1112 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,040 New clients that are signing up to work with me, right? 1113 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,120 Because this is all new to them and it's expected that you suck 1114 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,040 at something when you're new. And so now I have this bartering 1115 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,320 chip of hey, guess what? I'm bad at things that I start 1116 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,720 to, but I get better, right? I'm about to get my second 1117 00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:23,520 stripe on my belt in jiu jitsu. 6 months ago, I had no idea what 1118 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,760 I was doing. Guess what, you're not very good 1119 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,120 at this today. In six months, if you show up 1120 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,040 like I do, you're going to be amazing, right? 1121 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,600 And so it's actually really simple for me to justify. 1122 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,360 So if I did a little bit of it for a while and I tore my ACL 1123 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,360 before my prep, but I need to bring it back into my life 1124 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,800 because I feel like it would keep my mental bandwidth going 1125 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,760 for something separate but aligned with everything else 1126 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,760 that I'm doing. I want to get my kids into it. 1127 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,840 I feel like if I'm doing that with them, it'd be good bonding 1128 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,040 experience there. And it's one of those things 1129 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,120 that like, you can do it every single day of your life and 1130 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,800 there's still be so much to learn with it. 1131 00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,160 So it's like never anything that you can just master, so to 1132 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,760 speak. So much to learn. 1133 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,920 And just to put two things in perspective, I have a friend, 1134 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,960 he's he's my partner in the restaurant I mentioned. 1135 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,800 He is infinitely more successful in business than I am. 1136 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,400 And so with that comes more stress. 1137 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,120 And we got him into jiu jitsu and he loves it. 1138 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,000 He's like, man, I don't think about anything else. 1139 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,000 Like all I think about is surviving in the moment. 1140 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,880 And for some that might be off putting, but for many, they 1141 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,200 might understand like if you're present, you're not thinking 1142 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,120 about the argument you had with your partner or the shitty day 1143 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,360 you had at work or the business you're trying to build. 1144 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,240 Like you're just thinking about right now. 1145 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,000 And there's something special about that. 1146 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,120 And then we have the guys that and girls, the moms that bring 1147 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,080 in their son or daughter and do jiu jitsu with them. 1148 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,680 And it's so beautiful to see. Like, yes, it's a great bonding 1149 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,120 thing, but your kids are going to be so confident growing up 1150 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,800 because of that too. Totally agree. 1151 00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:01,080 I think you have to have. Something that totally requires 1152 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,400 100% of your focus and effort in that moment. 1153 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,280 Like for me, that's been hunting, like when I've got an 1154 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,160 elk in the crosshairs, you know, I'm not thinking about anything 1155 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,360 else. I'm thinking about my breathing. 1156 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,480 I'm thinking about placing a, you know, a good shot on them. 1157 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,480 Like that removes all distraction. 1158 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,680 And I feel like jiu jitsu totally does that as well. 1159 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,200 I would imagine flying trapeze as you're going from 1:00, you 1160 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,720 know, handle to the next would require that as well. 1161 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,720 But I think that is the underlying common denominator. 1162 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,600 You have to have something your life that totally and completely 1163 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,520 absorbs you and removes all else for that moment. 1164 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,600 That's it. Some people do it for. 1165 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,480 Meditation or with meditation, some people do it with hunting, 1166 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,960 jiu jitsu, you name it. But I do think everybody needs 1167 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,960 that and this might as well be a Joe Rogan podcast at this point. 1168 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:50,160 100% Do you do meditation? Yes. 1169 00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,400 Not enough. My wife's huge into it. 1170 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,160 She's she's gotten me more into it. 1171 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,440 I just don't prioritize it like I should. 1172 00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,520 And I say should because I've seen the benefits anytime I do 1173 00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,440 it massively better. It's just a hard for me to know 1174 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,200 that I could be doing so many other things rather than just 1175 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,640 being with myself. Yeah, yeah, I try and. 1176 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,080 I've tried it as well. I've tried journaling, I've 1177 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,480 tried to like intertwine that with a, you know, form of 1178 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,920 intense strategic prayer. Like having those moments of 1179 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,280 just solitude I think is important, but I'm not very good 1180 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,640 at it either. So I got to get that dialed in. 1181 00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,360 But I think solitude is key. I just haven't figured out 1182 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,160 what's working well for me in that regard. 1183 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,280 I feel like you just type a people that have a lot of stuff 1184 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,160 going on, like you, just your mind starts wandering. 1185 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,400 It's very hard to just allocate a moment in time for pure 1186 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,680 solitude. It is. 1187 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,560 I don't know how or why I've done it, but I created a non 1188 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,320 negotiable in the morning where I do journal and I almost put 1189 00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:49,720 all three things you just said together. 1190 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,880 So first I'll, I'll sit with my thoughts for three minutes, 1191 00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,000 figure out what subconscious thought is easiest to bring to 1192 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,880 my conscious reality. From there, I'll journal about 1193 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,000 that and then I'll try to tie it in with something that can make 1194 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,840 me better. So like what's my take away from 1195 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,320 this reflection? And I write all this down on the 1196 01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,040 computer. So what I do is afterwards I'll 1197 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,520 copy and paste it all. I'll put it into ChatGPT and 1198 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,280 I'll say, give me a daily devotional that resonates with 1199 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,760 this thought. And so then I have very small 1200 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,120 meditation. A little bit of journaling and a 1201 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,120 little bit of time with God every single morning. 1202 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,080 Well, Monday through Friday, and it's small, but it does help set 1203 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,040 the tone for the day. I liked it. 1204 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,960 So you're you're writing. This in like your phone? 1205 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,120 You just like typing in like a notes app or something? 1206 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,160 I have AI have a. Google form that kind of prompts 1207 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,880 me on these thoughts. And so it's like, what dimension 1208 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,360 do I want to reflect on today? And by dimension, I mean inside 1209 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:43,920 life, I think there's 4 dimensions. 1210 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,240 We all have our body, so how it looks, feels, functions, its 1211 01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,720 level of health, our being, our relationship with our self or a 1212 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,880 higher power, our connection. So your relationship with your 1213 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,800 wife or your kids or your friends, and then business. 1214 01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,760 And I'll reflect on one of those. 1215 01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:02,200 Then I specify what the reflection is right about it 1216 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,840 until thoughts kind of become less clear. 1217 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,000 I'll pause, reflect on what I just wrote for a minute, talk 1218 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,480 about the takeaways, and then figure out what I can implement 1219 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,440 today to improve in one way regarding that reflection. 1220 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,480 Do you ever go back and look at those prompts? 1221 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,280 And journal entries from, you know, times gone by or do you 1222 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,120 just do it proactively going forward? 1223 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,400 Usually just proactively going forward. 1224 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,160 What I will do is inside my challenges, I run periodically, 1225 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,440 there's a presentation I give about that. 1226 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,440 And so then I'll go back and I'll share one of my reflections 1227 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,360 with them to #1 be vulnerable, show that I do it too, and give 1228 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,680 them an example of what I want it to look like. 1229 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,080 Nice, nice. I might start. 1230 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,520 Doing that, I got, well, I did the journaling, I did multiple 1231 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:54,600 different journaling formats, but I feel like if I digitize it 1232 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:59,840 like that and then have ChatGPT or something create a prompt 1233 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,600 from it, that would make a lot more sense and I could probably 1234 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,560 stick with that a lot better. So I'm going to, I'm going to 1235 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,120 put that into practice, man. I'll send it to you, man. 1236 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:09,240 I'll send it to you right after this. 1237 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,600 Yeah, send it to me for sure and I'll start because I use. 1238 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,320 Google forms all the time, so that would be pretty easily 1239 01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,440 integrated into my current day-to-day perfect. 1240 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,600 I got you. Awesome brother. 1241 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,520 Well, I appreciate it. Man, this is round two on the 1242 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,200 podcast. We'll happily do another one. 1243 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,320 Always get, you know, pleasure talking to you. 1244 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,360 You're doing cool things, man. You're doing cool things in a 1245 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,040 way that I can resonate with. I feel like, you know, we're in 1246 01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,640 a summer chapter in live for about the same age and we get 1247 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,480 similar personality types. And I feel like that in and of 1248 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,800 itself is key, Like having people that you connect with and 1249 01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,400 have some sense of camaraderie alongside. 1250 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,480 I think that's what us, we, we as people need. 1251 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,080 So I appreciate it, man. I appreciate more than, you 1252 01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,400 know, keep doing it. All right, Joe, we just lost 1253 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,520 Joe. His Internet, I guess, totally 1254 01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,920 crapped out on him at the last minute, but that was pretty much 1255 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,240 the end of the conversation anyhow. 1256 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,920 Truly appreciate him, admire what he's doing, and got a lot 1257 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,240 of respect for him as a coach but also as a person. 1258 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,640 He's got a few links for y'all to check out and put those in 1259 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,160 the show notes below. Definitely check him out, follow 1260 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,600 him on social, all that good stuff and just benefit from how 1261 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,040 his approach and perspective is towards nutrition, training, 1262 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,760 body composition, life, and mindset in general. 1263 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,720 I thought there's a lot of coaches out there that just over 1264 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,840 sensationalize things he does not do that. 1265 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,400 He tries to focus on making it sustainable for the individual, 1266 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,680 which I have utmost respect for. So again, appreciate having Joe 1267 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,760 on for the second time. If you get any questions, hit us 1268 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,360 up, let us know. Check out his links in 1269 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,600 description. We'll talk to y'all next time.