Well, hello, ladies and gents Roberts.
Thanks kiddo, Savage.com, and today I've got special, repeat
guests, Christina has back on the line.
She is the brains behind the keto.
Symposium an amazing conference that's going to be going live
for the first time in person. This September, I'll be speaking
there. I'm super excited about it.
Wanted to get her on the show to talk about that but we also do
of into a lot of her work with genetics, epigenetics how your
diet, and environmental factors can play a role in turning on
and off certain genes. And we also do quite a bit into
mindset, we talked about stoicism Philosophy, what makes
the Mind tick and how that has an impact on your health as
well. Thoroughly enjoyed the
conversation. I've got a lot of respect for
Christina. She is a wealth of knowledge and
she's a great person. I've got no doubt that you will
take something from this. So that for their do is sit
back, relax and enjoy the podcast with Christina Hess
and we are live, Christina, how are you?
How are you Robert? I'm doing wonderfully.
Well, when did we record? The first podcast was that movie
was January January. Okay.
So it's been a little while. You've got the the keto
Symposium coming up here and just just a little bit.
So I wanted to bring you back on and talk about that but I also
kind of want to just dive a little bit deeper into some of
the stuff that we touched on last time for people that did
not listen to the first episode. Definitely encourage them to do
so because you're a wealth of knowledge.
But for those people can you give us kind of like a quick
little Little little bio on yourself, so we can have some
context here. Sure, I am a licensed dietitian,
clinical nutritionist and I went, I went ketogenic myself
about five years ago. Found myself, insulin resistant,
as a Durance athlete crossfitter.
And as a result of just so much stress in my life and lack of
sleep and also just turned 40. So I had to switch things up and
I was very very inspired by a lecture given by Professor
Thomas, Seyfried of Boston College.
He's cancer researcher and what he had to say about ketogenic.
Metabolic therapy for cancer. Really blew me away because I
working inside of an oncology practice Manhattan and, and it
just completely changed the course of my life and the
direction in which I've taken my practice, which You know, quite
frankly even though I use other protocols it's my favorite for
so many reasons and something that I specialize in also in my
practice is nutrigenomics so its genetic.
So looking at the genes and doing genetic testing the genes
that pertain to nutrient usage detoxification, you know your
cardiovascular health, you know Certain hormones.
And so it helps inform the kind of low glycemic plan to do,
because the only thing anyone agrees about out there in a
nutrition space, is that we should eat less sugar.
So how much less sugar should be?
Go all the way that super low carb?
Should we have less red, meat more, you know, more something
else? Can you have the caffeine not
have the caffeine? So, the genes tell a story and I
like to put, you know, the lifestyle pieces support, you
know, sort of from Health coaching perspective, support
the person and their goals, but also look at their Labs.
So, that's, that's how I run my my practice and, which is mostly
Telehealth. But I do have an office and in
Connecticut for those that are local to me, I love it.
I feel like genetics and epigenetics Index aspect of
things is just incredibly intriguing and we talked about
this a little bit in the last podcast but like I feel like
from an epigenetic standpoint that that's a term that a lot of
people are just now hearing and I feel like it's pretty powerful
because it really kind of puts the ball back in your court.
So many people look at their genetics and by this is just
what my parents gave me. Can't do anything about it, but
then when they look at it from the lens of, you know, these,
these jeans are getting turned on or off based off of your
environment. The factors you nutritional
decisions. You know, you're training
modalities like all these things can have a very you know
significant impact not just on you but on your kids.
So I'm very much of the mindset that like no one is coming to
save you. You have to figure things out on
your own and be responsible for your own actions and your own
outcome. So like when you look at that,
through the lens of epigenetics, and how environmental factors
play such a role in turning these genes on and off.
Like, I feel it's very empowering.
I totally agree with you. I mean the genetics comes in
kind of three major camps. It's you're looking at ancestry
geneticists are really looking at single very fixed genes.
That pertain a particular diseases but nutrigenomics and
Neutra. Genetics is looking at Family
groups. You're looking at multiple Snips
that are low penetrance which means they have a low impact.
Our lower impact and so when you look at them together in groups
or families, if you will, they do tell a story and you know,
people do develop weird conditions kind of later in
life. But that is the epigenetic
expression of our lifestyle maybe how some of us handle
stress better than others. And and so it it isn't It isn't
your destiny but but for sure it's the blueprint you came in
with. So so it's just potential and
you do have so much power with how you express your potential.
And if there's something that is not as favorable, there are so
many empowering things that you can do from a dietary standpoint
from a supplementation standpoint.
And then just from lifestyle, Modification that that will just
optimize those those groups of genes that may seem like a like
a bummer deal. Yeah.
Totally totally agree. And I feel like having people
like you that can really dive into this and you know map that
out for people that are not in the know when it comes to
genetics is super super helpful because genetics have have kind
of regain this since of Clarity, as of late especially when it
comes to diet and nutrition. There's been a lot of these
companies pop up that have like basically you throw at them,
they're your, you know, genetic data you like 23andMe test and
you give them all the raw data and then they spit that into
some formula and then they print off this PDF of all the
recommendations for you. Are any of those really good?
Are they all pretty much just smoke and mirrors and good
marketing? I I can't really speak to those.
I haven't really seen those types of tests.
I think that the data, there's so much data, right?
And the thing is, is you're not you're not just a blanket
report. So I think that's a little bit
dangerous, to be honest with you too.
Just say hey okay even even the test I like to run which does
give you a 50-page report. It really does need
interpretation because someone was say, okay well that's this
is awesome. This is very interesting.
Now what do I actually do with this?
Yeah. And what's helpful?
What's really helpful is to talk to a professional and speak to
them about your lifestyle. What is actually What is it?
What is expressing? What has expressed?
How do you how do you live already?
What? Kind of tweaks.
It's a lot of this is very nuanced.
I'll give you, I'll give you an example.
So, something that's very pertinent for folks, who like to
do, intermittent fasting, okay? So, there are a couple of their
couple of genes to look at that pertain to both fasting capacity
and eating windows. And there, there's a gene in the
report I use. That's a melatonin.
Scepter Gene that indicates it's been well researched that this
this particular Gene has a higher.
It's a higher impact Which is higher impact Gene that is
correlated to like to glucose if you eat late at night and makes
you a lot more insulin resistant and would also make you Less
sensitive to melatonin in the evening, as a result of late at
night. So it impact your sleep
furthering insulin resistance. Gotcha, so that's that's one
example of. So someone with variants on on
that area and then you look at, also the peep our family ppar
which is fat. One of the fat oxidation genes
as very important for making ketones and feeling good while
fasting because it has to do with just your general energy
production utilizing fat. So look, Looking at these things
as families, and also, maybe looking at carbohydrate
sensitivity with tcf7l2 is another one.
I like to look at. So, looking at these different
numbers and letters together in groups and then finding out,
well, what is going on for this person?
Are they are they eating late at night art?
Because you, like I said, you're not just the report.
Art, there's a whole world of things going on for you and then
if you can also correlate it to some other labs or other data
like say a CGM or an organic acids test things like that or
super super helpful to start putting together your entire
store. Totally when someone's trying to
when they're when there's some is trying to go through their
life, kind of analyze, you know, what's working for them, what's
not working for them? And what order would you
suggest? People tackle, these various,
you know, levers that they can pull, for instance, so like if
someone's you know, standard American diet not training, has
no clue at their genetics or looking like what do you think
is the kind of, I guess order of attack.
So to speak with regards to People should focus their
attention, shouldn't it should they start off?
Getting a genetic testing? Kind of diving into what that
data is showing them because that's going to paint the
picture for what they should start to do with their training,
in the nutrition or should they go?
Yeah. It's my dream.
It's my dream that everybody do this.
Do this testing because it's a one-time test.
You never need to do it again because your genes are not going
to change. And, and that gives you your
blueprint, it's like trying to tackle a plan, a training.
Lan or someone someone's cookie-cutter dietary plan and
why it works for your neighbor but it doesn't work for you.
Or why someone is training plan works for the for another person
and for you, it injures you, so have it, having your data can
explain. Why it is that you're so
responsive or non-responsive. And you know, the thing about
low carb and ketogenic diet is that there's a lot of different
weights to get into ketosis and you can do it by just being me
and being a carnivore. You can do it you know, paleo
style, you can do it more Mediterranean style, you Do it
acting style. You can do it as a vegetarian or
vegan. So how you do it?
It's may be very, very pertinent to your jeans and and that
that's the reason why some people come to me and said, well
I tried this, I tried this one plan and it was very, very high
in saturated fat, because they're doing beef, bacon,
butter and eggs and the scale is not budging.
And then I look at the genes and and they have all these issues
with saturated fats and that's not indicated for them leaner
Meats, lot more veggies. Let's do some olive oil, it
doesn't, it doesn't mean eat sugar.
You can still get into ketosis eating shaken and and eggs.
Maybe fewer eggs or egg having more egg white and having some
fish. So there's just different
flavors of getting into Ptosis and how it how you do it and
what's going to make you feel best has a lot to do with your
jeans. Do you see that like in working
with the clientele you have over the years?
Do you see that? Give me pattern recognition
towards. You know what percentage of your
clientele base are having issues with saturated fat versus those
that aren't as that I can 50/50 split or is that a pretty small
demographic? You know that it is going to be
a smaller demographic because we were actually Ali designed, you
know, to to have the saturated fat.
So it's a newer, it's I would say a genetic adaptation, right?
Not not but it's also from different ancestry groups.
So if you have certain genetics, that are more adapted to to
agricultural Foods, you know, to a grain based diet, Ye you might
it doesn't mean you will that you might have shifted also in
the saturated fats. It's it.
There is no pattern actually, Robert.
Not that I've seen. Nope, I haven't seen every
literally, everybody's report that area is, it's different,
it's different. And that's the thing is that
even though 99.9% of us are the same, in the point, one, you
have three to four million different variations between
people and and so it's so many nuances that that You and I may
share a lot of the same stuff and then on a couple of things,
completely different. So, it's why I CJ, I've worked
with many husband and wife, you know, partners, and they can
they have to do their, their key do differently.
Yeah, it's crazy. I mean like my my wife Crystal
she's been keto for almost as long as I have.
I have been a and I'm curious to see, I don't even know how you
would test this really but you know what?
Implications are what what decisions that we've made over
the past seven years or so have had an epigenetic effect on our
son. Ryan, Jerome.
I mean, it'd be really hard to quantify that in any type of
measurable way, but we seem to operate pretty well on more or
less the same food. So like, I would imagine we've
got some previous position to, to operate well with, you know,
that same food type. I'd be curious to see.
I mean, cause with this genetic test, like, all you need is a
cheek swab, right? Like you do a cheek swab and
your have you had anything? It's just yeah, that's it.
That's so simple that it comes to your house, you collect it,
you send it in and you get the results better months later.
Now, speaking of the epigenetic impact, it's it's been shown
that soda diet. So what you eat impacts Acts
those genes more than anything else.
And it does affect about three generations down the line, so,
and that's really a pertaining to a pregnant woman.
So what a pregnant woman needs really can impact regeneration
down the road. I mean, how convenient would it
be for like you? You know, go to the hospital for
a birth and they just simply do a cheek swab on the newborn and
then you have that Made it as just part of the normal process
of giving birth and so, yeah, that would be, that would be
amazing. That would be amazing.
And you know, I what I wish is that people wouldn't be so
afraid to do this type. It's not, this is not genetic
testing where it's like, oh you're, you know, you're
predisposed to get this terrible disease.
That's not what this is nutrition and genetics.
So it's very nuanced and Like I said, a lot of these jeans, they
are low impact so, but they together, they can tell a story.
So if someone out there is really frustrated is feeling
like their progress is slow or stubborn.
They they may really benefit from a few tweaks, you know, it
could be time frame. You asked about different
levers. Without the genetics, I like to
follow Peter, atilla's model of this relievers.
So the relievers would be time, restriction, caloric,
restriction, and dietary restriction.
So you know he says pull on all three for best results but one
plug to pain or three but never pull none.
So if you know what the dietary restriction for you is You know,
maybe on a different day, you're not doing your dietary
restriction, you're off plan, but you're pulling on the other
two beavers you maybe close eating window, you don't eat as
much of whatever it is that thing that is Off plan.
But knowing whether you benefit from a certain time window or
not, is also helpful to see in the genes, I've come across some
newer information to me. Anyway, it's not a doubt, it's
new information, but An early time restricted feeding, where
two groups of people were study given the same food.
They're brought into the clinic in the same food and the early
group was fed at 8:00 a.m. 11 a.m. and 2 p.m.
So 2 p.m. was their dinner time and it was not a low-carb plan.
It was actually 50% carb and the group that was fed early, lost,
thirty percent more weight. Wait.
Then the other group that had a traditional 12-hour eating
window. He's rude.
Calories control. Yeah, I think calories were
controlled and it was a group that needed to lose weight.
So I don't know. I don't remember what the
parameters were for entering that particular study but I've
come across to other studies that are similar.
So metabolic markers improving with early time, restricted
feeding. And and this could have a lot to
do with. Also that melatonin You know,
receptor Gene. So with people, we know that
that your metabolism is like three times slower in the
evening, like things start to shut down your pancreas your
organs, as light dims, everything kind of goes is
getting ready to sleep. So things are getting slower in
the evening and so eating late at night isn't really good for
anybody but some people Don't have the same risk for diabetes
that other people might have. So that's kind of what I'm
talking about. But if someone struggling to
lose weight and and closes the eating window instead of doing a
traditional 7:48, let's say and that's not really working for
them. Maybe just experiment with
moving it up and maybe doing like an 82 or a 9 to 5.
Hmm. Well so how does that day?
Look like for you now with you experiment with this?
Well, I I've been experimenting with it.
I am doing a nine-to-five eating window.
It's I'm finding it easy. So it's too early to say, what
the results are but and then a.m. to 5 p.m. hmm.
Yep. Yeah, I was, I was before, just
not really break breaking fast until one or two.
So definitely, you know, switching that up.
I kind of like that. I mean, I find that if I eat a
really big meal before going to bed, I fall asleep.
Easier. It seems like, I don't have any,
like, I feel more lethargic, I fall asleep easier, but the
quality of my sleep seems to be diminished when I'm doing like a
prep. And I train in the morning, I
typically prefer training in the morning.
I'll, I'll have a nomad meal. So all my calories for the day
within about a two-hour window of training.
So like if I train it, You know nine o'clock the morning I'm
eating at 10 or 11 so I'm definitely getting that meal in
before you know long before I go to sleep.
Oh yeah and that that's always worked pretty well for me.
Honestly I get lean and I don't feel like my sleep quality
improves. I just feel like that that's
worked. Well just me doing that and
really know the science behind the earlier, you know, protocol
like you're saying but that makes sense.
Well, even with folks who wear an aura wearing, the or o-ring
will start barking at you. About your HRV.
If you know EV Tinley it'll it'll show the diminishment on
your Sleep Quality. Yeah.
Do you put a lot of weight and then like you have it?
You have an ordering. I do, I do.
I'm, I've fascinated by data. Yeah.
I like I like that. I like data.
It's foggy. I think it's fun.
I find it fun to And defy and really understand.
There's this one piece of understanding the biochemistry.
Like just what the heck is going on in this complicated, you
know, biochemical computer, we got going and then there's this
other piece. It's fascinating to me to which
we talk a lot about last time which is why the heck do we do?
What we do and of the more psychology peace, the mindset
and all that is super interesting.
To so kind of, I love all of it. Yeah, I find I find human
beings, endlessly. Fascinating, well, it's all
interconnected like, that, that people have tried to separate,
you know, the body from the brain.
But like, you can't do the same listen to podcasts that they and
they were trying to figure out know what, what defining factors
makes a being sentient? And something was like it's just
the brain like you could chop off your brain and put it on a
robot. And that's a human because it's
All about the brain. But then as we've learned more
about how, you know, like the gut microbiome is like the
second brain. Like you can't really you can't
really segment things like that, like it's all connected.
I mean isn't a tree sentient. The the whole notion for vegans,
you know, saying it's I think I think the the plants that they
they're sentient to so that Doesn't really they have their
own, you know, trees. Communicate through their roots
and they have their own mechanisms.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's restart going down the rabbit hole and it gets pretty.
Trippy like Consciousness. Like what?
Where does where does one's conscience come from a cow,
right? I wouldn't rank a tree.
Would have a conscience, but where is that line drawn?
I don't know. Ya know we could we could go way
off topic and Hypothesize about the force.
You know, you know, sort of like the Star Wars, you know, May the
force be with you. I don't know.
It's all of it is very mysterious and very interesting,
and And I do, I do believe there's a whole, there's a whole
world of, you know, and I love the science stuff, the stuff
that we can quantify and look at.
But then there's even even in genetics, for example, you have
basically a whole set of blank, you know?
Just Millions of view like you know, your DNA is actually
blank. So what does that mean?
You know, it's sort of Bruce Lipton, who is a geneticist.
It's kind of like he talks about the biology of belief.
That was the, that was the title of his book and how, you know,
your energy. Your Intentions your these
underlying beliefs, you have yours that that Consciousness,
right? It, it, it activates.
Sells it, activates your biology that it's so it is.
So it's so much bigger. I mean, now we're going down
like a metaphysical path, but that's there's a piece.
I believe. There's a piece to that, too.
Yeah, so what you think about you bring about, who you are,
who you spend time with is he become like all this, you know,
you really need to also put coach yourself into a more
positive Bait to be healthy, you know.
So I have this formula that I teach my clients that it's like
a math formula. So it's like this time x
consistent, D+ r+ relief, equals results, equals your excellent
results, right? But it positive belief is sort
of a key component that you having a better outcome.
Because you could, you could do something consistently over time
and then have a negative belief about it and I really think then
you get to have it be that way. Yeah, I totally agree.
I feel like there's there's so much that we'll never even begin
to scratch the surface on because we just can't simply
know. And I feel like I come from a
family of scientists, my dad's a scientist like all of his
brothers or scientist I come from a family of very much so
black and white. You know, what does the data
show And I totally like that style of thinking, I like the
tangibility of, I like all that, but there's so many things that
I don't know. That science will ever have the
capacity to illustrate in black and white.
And when you start diving into Consciousness, when you start
diving into compassion, love all these emotions that we know to
be real but can't really explain with some formulaic method, you
know, like what great. Zone.
Does that lie in what we wear. Does that exist?
I don't know. Well, it's been there, there
neuro scientists that are studying, frequencies of certain
emotions, like, love, and appreciation, and gratitude,
and, and being in those states, does upgrade our biology.
So You know, like you said earlier the body and the mind
are connected, everything is interconnected.
That's that's the functional way.
So if you do, you can't separate feelings from your biology.
You know, your, when you feel a certain emotion, you are
activating also sympathetic or parasympathetic response in your
body and that let's say you are in fight or flight.
You're going to activate a whole Cascade of chemicals.
And and that has an impact on your heart and your and your
brain and your body temperature and your decision-making and
just It ultimately impacts your health outcomes.
Yeah. So it is all interconnected.
Yeah. Point.
I think it has a massive impact on our longevity.
Like I don't know of too many, you know, old hags and Scrooge's
that like live to be 120 years old.
In function at a high rate. But like you, you hear these
stories of people that don't necessarily have all the right,
you know, Health, you know, actions like they're smoking or
whatever, but they're really, really happy.
Loving grateful people. And those are the ones that seem
to die of old age of the smile, on their face, and for whatever
reason they seem to be much more robust, and those that are doing
a lot of the right things, quote unquote, right things, but doing
so, with this Aura of negativity about him, and I feel like
there's, there's definitely something to be said there.
Yeah, well speaking as smokers it's so interesting because for
exams a while I can you have a centenarian smoker and then have
someone else who'd you know develops lung cancer at a young
age and they never smoked, right?
So we don't have all the answers to something like that but if
you're looking at it through the lens of they genetics, right?
Then Detox capacity. And you're looking at all the
genes nips that into detoxification and maybe that
centenarian smoker as really great clearance.
It's not that the smoking was didn't, it didn't cause harm and
it was good for them is just they have they have this other
potential like an Olympian who has the potential because
Olympians there's no Olympian who doesn't have a very certain
genetic markers Fitness markers. Yeah.
And and, and that there could be just a radical difference in
detox capacity there, so, but yeah, you're absolutely right.
I mean, positivity is Paramount to living a long life and I
heard it said, once it really, really stuck with me, that if
you want to live a long life, One of the key keys to longevity
is the ability to process through grief quickly and that's
going to be true. Because if you plan to outlive
everyone, you're going to lose a lot of people.
Yeah. So you have to keep fighting
your meaning and purpose for sticking around and that, you
know, that's another reason, you know, what, why would you want
to be around if your loved ones are gone?
But If you keep keep appreciating, you know, the
beautiful sunsets or you know, bringing a smile to someone
else's face and then you're here for another day.
What have you found to be like, knowing that what have you done
or implemented or, you know, read on personally and that has
allowed you to adopt that type of resilience more efficiently.
So, that's a really great question.
Robert many years No, I was, I had such a fear of public
speaking that I would turn into a puddle.
I'd be one of the, you know, the, the crazy voice.
My, I would get flushed. I would literally start shaking,
I might vomit if I had to speak and I would really wish that the
ground would swallow me whole and I'm not kidding.
It was it was so severe like the Panic was so bad.
And and then here I am, you know, putting on a conference
right? I mean it's who I've become
today is radically different than that person.
That was absolutely terrified of that.
And the one of the biggest tools that help me with studying heart
math, heart math, is a method that came from the heart math
Institute. And they study resilience, and
they basically teach, teach how to change emotional state, how
to, how to, how to be in control of that.
And it is a, it's a practice just like, just like doing reps,
you know, it's a practice, it does not come easily, but It's
not to say you know, you're never going to feel angry or sad
or frustrated or overwhelmed because those feelings.
They come sometimes on a daily basis.
It's how quickly you can move through.
I've never even heard of this heart math.
Like what is it at a high level at what's the concept?
Yeah, it is. It's an emotional resilience
program. It's really well researched
Stress Management. And it's hard to CEOs, Navy
Seals teachers First Responders and it's good for anyone
literally. And it was great for me too, so
that I could move Beyond. This is fear of public speaking
that I had. That was so paralyzing.
And keeping me from, you know, sharing sharing my knowledge, my
gifts. It was really getting in the way
of me being my best self and for students who are having so much
anxiety that they don't, they don't do well on tests for,
literally anyone who wants to do better in life, it's a great
program and it's great for athletes, you know, athlete
choked all the time. Under competition example, I
love watching the Olympic and Nathan Chen, who's the, who's
the figure skater, who can do the for whatever Grudge?
People, jump thing he went to his first Olympics and he fell
five times trying to do his jump.
That he's so known for and it was just nerves, right?
It's just the nerves, get the best of you because when you are
nervous, you're not in a powerful emotional state, where
your body that you've trained to do something over and over and
over it, totally betrays you So, so the next the next day he was
doing his short program or the pressures off is not going to,
it's not going to meddle anymore.
He nailed all his job And that that says a lot of eight of his
in a different emotional state. You know, pressures off, no
worries, boom. And so, it's how it is.
It's a great program for for teaching that.
Have you dove into stoic philosophy?
Stoicism at all. No, no.
Tell me more. So you need to look into
stoicism so it is probably going to butcher it when I try to
explain it here but basically, it was Popularized in, like, I
don't know, the Roman era, the Greeks and Romans, like
basically philosophers of that time we're practicing stoicism
which at a high level is basically.
I don't want to say emotionless because I don't think
emotionless is the right word but basically taking whatever
your environment throws at you and then reasoning through it.
Like the the environmental things that come your way or not
necessarily good or bad. They just or and then how you On
to those are a result of a well-thought-out reasoned
response. So it's like Ryan holiday writes
about it at length. He's written like one of one of
my favorite books is the obstacle is the way by Ryan
holiday but all of his are great Marcus, Aurelius Anderson, the
Roman Emperor, he was a big stoic thinker and it's been
probably the single best thing from a philosophy from a mindset
standpoint that I've adopted To just think more rationally and
then act more reasonably honestly.
I mean like I don't I mean, I still have nerves.
I still have emotions obviously, but I don't let those dictate my
actions to the point of fumbling or failing and it's just like,
like I can't believe you had heard it because I feel like the
type of person that you are and what you're talking about right
now, like you would just soak it up, but definitely encourage you
to check out stoic thinking, It's not really a relief.
It's not a religion. I wouldn't say I think it's just
a way to unlock the. Yeah.
I've heard of the daily Stewart as a Blog.
Yeah, yeah, I just I didn't really know the philosophy
behind it. It's been super impactful to me.
A lot of athletes have done it and for me it's like, you know,
in business and for me my sport of bodybuilding, like there's
just things that come your way that you don't really have a lot
of control over. Like that's just the world, we
live in like that. Was the case in 2020 with the
pandemic. That's the case of politics.
That's the case with so many things and so many people allow
those environmental factors to dictate their everything of
their existence. It allows them to allow.
They allow it to dictate their mood when they're having a good
day or a bad day, you know, whether they're Frozen with fear
or in a heightened sense of anger.
And it proper stoic is able to just take that environmental
factor and then not let hit it, shake them to the core they just
Simply act in the most reasonable manner possible with,
you know, the the tools, their disposal, and I feel like that's
just incredibly powerful. Yeah, so it's a it sounds like
You know something like heart math is the avenue to getting to
that getting into at State, you know?
So it gives you the an operating system for the how to how to do
it, you know. So a good way to put it, I feel
like there's there's just, I don't know, just so many
distractions right now. Like, I've got a love-hate
relationship with like, social media, my cellphone stuff, like
I don't want, I don't have a TV, I don't watch the news because
it's just so many distractions. But not, I mean at its core.
People have this, this lacking ability to just simply recognize
what is important, what they have control over, and if they
have control over it, it's this kind of goes back to genetics.
We're gonna make this full circle segue here, so get ready.
But like, people allow themselves to become just frozen
out of fear of not, knowing how to respond, how to react in a
given situation. This is the same with their
their thought. Thought towards genetics, they
think that, you know, this is what their parents gave them.
So they have no, no action, no plan of attack it.
So they just they don't do anything.
And that's often times lead to their demise and stoic thinking
and, you know, genetics is like, look, you have these
environmental factors that you can't necessarily change but how
you respond to them can create a vastly different outcome so be
reasonable real. Be rational rational and how you
do respond. So yeah, I feel like I feel
Anybody would benefit from it, for sure.
Yeah. So in the report that I run and
the test that I like to use, there's a whole section on the
mental health genes and how some people tolerate stress better
than others and it explains why some people may have a tendency
towards anxiety or or depression.
I think it's so powerful to Stand the predisposition.
So that you you can also eat and live in a way that, that manages
that, as opposed to just defaulting, right to a
pharmaceutical. Yeah, totally.
Totally agree. I've got, I've had several
people in my family are not separately, but I've had a
handful of people in my family that have struggled with
depression in some form or another.
And it's always been said to me to see people that are really
depressed. I mean, I've had relatives that
have gone as far as like cutting themselves and just like really
dark chapters in their lives. And it's sad for me to see
because they they don't feel empowered and knowing that hey
look you know, what you do with your nutrition?
What you do with your time? Are you training?
Are you getting good sleep? Like all those things can have a
direct impact on. Going on your hormones, like all
of this stuff. Your serotonin, like how you
feel? Instead they all default.
To, hey, look, I need to get a drug that fixes this.
And that's just, that's just takes the power away from them,
which I feel is debilitating. Yeah, that food food, mood
connection is real because as you said, the gut is the second
brain and 90% of Serotonin is made in the dot.
So it's that is absolutely real. There's another really great
test. It's not expensive that I came
across a couple. Omega client, which is so for
someone who struggles with low mood.
They should really do a pin prick, test to assess their
level of Omega-3, because omega-3 is so, so, so important
for your brain and unfortunately, most people's
ratio of omega-6 to omega-3 is just off just do due to our food
and and you know even even For someone who's.
So now, you know, following a low carb plan, getting off the
sugar as one piece, but, but but what is the actual level of the
fatty acids, is another piece. So that's a great test to run to
was that legal. Sorry, what was that one called?
Again, you'll make a Quant. So I have I have access to that
as well. Awesome awesome.
I'll have to Link that out for sure.
I would love to kind of switch gears living here towards the
end and just talk about the the conference because I feel like
the conference's is looming. What are the dates on the keto
Symposium Sookie do Symposium is in New York City on Friday,
September 23rd and Saturday. September 24th, we kick off in
the evening so we start with a 4:00 registration and reception
the food drive Farm wine. Is this donated wine?
Fine, we have exhibitors and then the kickoff with Keynotes
and also special film preview from the cancer.
Revolution, folks nagging, Brad Jones, and then Saturday.
It's all day. We have coffee service, starting
at 8, and then we start promptly at 9:00.
And we go, we go all the way to the end of the day and then we
also have a VIP speaker dinner with all the speakers and Are
three tickets left for anyone who is really interested in
eating and spending time with the speakers, because man, if
you tried to hire, everybody, that would just really add up.
So it's sort of a really a Priceless thing to spend a few
hours in private with this. Speakers and you'll get a front
row seat. But it only three only three
tickets left on it. And this is, this is the first
ketose imposing. This is the first year.
It's been in effect, right? Yeah.
Last year it was virtual because of covid.
We couldn't do. The in first in-person was
originally scheduled for 2022. I'm sorry 2020.
And then we didn't that didn't happen, right?
And and so the following year in 2021 Was virtual and so, but
this is the, this is the first in person.
Yeah, so it's very exciting. So, this is really been two and
a half years. Yeah, that's that's quite quite
the time. So with, with there being that
much time in the making, I'm sure this thing is just going to
blow the socks off everybody, because you did.
You've had enough time to get everything down then perfectly
totally amazing. Yeah, and I've never really
spent much time in New York so I'm super excited to be there.
I can't thank you enough for giving the opportunity to speak.
So, what's going to set this conference apart from, from the
others, I've been doing several conferences this year at every
conference has their own, there's pros, and cons to each
conference and I love them all. I learned something from every
single one of them. What's going to be uniquely
different about this one? Well, this, this is a more
intimate conference, you know, it's not going to be a big
conference. Like keto con, we are limited to
200 seats in the auditorium and it So given that it's more
intimate, you just have better access to their participants and
the speaker's themselves and so, it has that more of, I don't
know. I love that sort of more
intimate, feeling less corporate feeling there.
That all the topics are so interesting.
That all the speaker. We have such an amazing, such an
amazing Lineup and it's varied. So we've got cancer being
covered. We've got hormones, we've got
mine set. I'm going to speak about this
genetic piece. We've got fertility.
And I mean, diabetes, and, and insulin, resistance and food
addiction. It's it's just this whole this
Range. Right?
It and everyone is going to bring something different to the
table. So for anyone who say, has been
uninspired or stalled out, or is really missing being with people
or just needs to be immersed as that there, there's so much to
learn or someone who just really likes to learn.
Like, I love going offered this for that.
There's some special be said about the immersion aspect of
competition feel like you know, throughout 2020 2021 when all
the conference's are pretty much cancelled everybody in the keto
space was just, you know, looking online there was some
virtual conferences and those are good.
But like now that we're getting back into the conference seen
and I've been to several of them this year.
Like there's just something totally different with getting
all these people under the same roof in the same room and just
talking face to face like that, you can't.
Replicate that through Zoom, you can't replicate that over a TV
screen and it's true. There's just there's just
something magical about it and when you're in it, like it makes
you that much more confident in your decision to follow this
lifestyle in the first place. Like there's people that
throughout 2020 2021 what kind of like on the fence about Kita.
It's like yeah, you know maybe maybe there's something here.
Maybe there's not like, you know, who knows?
But then like you go to the conference and you like you're
seeing all the Cutting Edge research.
You're interacting with people. You're hearing these stories.
Is of people that have lost 100-plus pounds.
Reverse their diabetes, you know, put their cancer into
remission and say okay, how can I possibly ignore this?
Like, this is where I want to be.
Yeah, cuz remember, Tito is about is just living a, no sugar
lifestyle. So it's, it's great.
It's again, you know, the misconceptions about what key do
is, it's could be, you know, ten different things.
Pretend different people in a room.
So but what brings us all together as we don't, we don't
want to have so many carbohydrates and in our diet
and that's that, that is our shared commonality.
So how you do your keto? Or I do maybe slightly nuanced
and different but that's just bring us together.
Is we want to kick sugar and and like sugar ultimately is not,
you know, leading Us to a better, a better life, and a
better brain and and a better mood and all these things and
and man the power of just, yeah, being with other people because
loan wolfing, it is it's a lonely road and it doesn't
really work. And so if you if you aren't in
community, if you don't have support you don't have friends
that are eating this way. You don't your spouse's any
Tough. So kind of getting with some
other people and also just seeing other products seeing
things that you can incorporate into your lesson to make life
easier. So that it is a lifestyle is,
and it's so is so worthwhile. Yeah, totally.
Totally agree. What's the key to a scene, like,
in New York? Like, it feels like from my
perspective. The quote-unquote, keto Hub
seems to be like Austin, Texas, you know.
California is Like, there's there like a pretty large
demographic, you're going to find out if we're going to find
out that it's either in full effect or small.
So New York for as I mean, I live outside New York.
So I'm in, I'm in Connecticut out just outside New York.
So the where I live? It's the commuter town, you
know, people kind of commute into the city for work. but, New
York has everything New York's is this big started, a soup of
everything. So I imagine that the, the
low-carb people are there and and hopefully there are make
make their way but I can't speak to it, Robert.
I don't, I don't know. I guess we'll find out.
I'll guess. We'll find out if the the
low-carb Community is strong. Or if most of the attendees are
coming from out of town, I guess it remains to be seen.
I'm Keep her to meeting everybody who's there was a ton
of people in New York. So I'm sure it's probably a
pretty good time please. Thank you do, Folks at least.
Yeah, let's hope. Let's hope so.
Yeah, everybody who is feeling, you know, like they're ready to
to either beat the speaker's, meet each other, you know, be
inspired, learn some new things, relearn some things are already
knew. This is for you, this is, this
is totally for you and it's such a good.
The, the ticket price is totally reasonable.
It's a, you know, you're going to get It's, it's it's so worth
it. Such a good investments in.
I'm stoked. I think it's going to be
amazing. I'm going to look like like a
total tourist out there. That would be one of those guys
looking a little skyscrapers and it with people Newark, say, if
you're looking up, you're obviously not from around here.
Yes. Everett the buildings are very,
very tall. In fact, you know, when I, when
I first went to Washington d.c. See and then later I moved to
Austin. I was these buildings just not
suffer at all. So when you used to these very
tall buildings it's funny when you go to other cities and they
don't have those the the skylines.
Yeah but it you know Gotham it's a special place, a special place
it's excited for you to see it and experience it.
Yeah I'm excited to be then I'm excited to interact with the
speaker's interact with you meet.
You face to face in person for the first time and just in time.
Yeah, they're great. So what is the what's the
website for people to get a ticket and get more information?
Absolutely. It's keto Symposium.com.
And you can also find us on Instagram at just at keto
Symposium, so all the details are there.
The tickets are linked in the website to Eventbrite and just
super easy. And and I look forward to
forward to seeing you Either. Yeah, and what is what is your
profile on social? People can find you as well.
I am, Christina heskey, do nutritionist and my website is
the keto nutritionist.com? Awesome, awesome.
Well, I'm super excited to be there.
The conference, I'm proud of you for throwing this conference,
especially with your prior history of being fearful of
public speaking. So that's quite quite a change
of pace for sure. So, that's making leaps and And
just keep doing you doing Christina.
I've always admired what you put in that out into the space.
I feel like you're incredibly intelligent, you're offering a
ton of value so just keep doing exactly what you're doing.
Thanks, Robert, thanks for. Thanks for having me on and I'm
super excited to see you in just a couple weeks.
I'm as well. See you soon?
Take care.