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I try to pick what's best for 
the client, right? 

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Like any diet can work, but 
what's going to be the most 

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adherable like adherence is 
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Essentially the certain set 
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body fat percentage wise where 
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feel good, and then hunger 
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opposite ends like below it. 
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percentage, there will be that 
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a certain body fat percentage 
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I noticed that for me, I got to 
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my essentially my insulin and 
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that. 
Just track that a little bit 

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because I'll be having a little 
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probably going to be higher in 
sugar naturally, just to get in 

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the amount of calories that I 
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Hunter Stanley starts to go 
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And we are live. 
Austin, how are you, brother? 

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Good. 
How are we doing? 

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Good man. 
You still in? 

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You were in Spokane for a while,
then you were in. 

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Where you at now? 
Are you in Arizona? 

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See, I know I'm like a gypsy. 
I just go all over. 

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So we were down in Arizona for 
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have our condo down there, but 
we're up in, if you remember, 

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Coeur d'Alene is right next to 
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across the border right there. 
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Hayden area now, so. 
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I like that spot, man. 
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because we were right there in 
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from Coeur d'Alene. 
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the weekends. 
We didn't have any money at the 

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time, so we would just go over 
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boardwalk. 
Yeah, the boardwalk's pretty. 

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The lake. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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It's pretty, pretty spot, man. 
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I forgot you has some family or 
your wife has some family up 

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here. 
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this summer at all or are you 
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about to have a baby. 
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literally any week now dude. 
Congrats another. 

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One another one another boy. 
So she's got a bunch of her 

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family coming down in the next 
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out with that. 
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little older, we'll probably go 
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she's got family in Pomeroy, 
she's got family in Spokane. 

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So yeah, we've got a bunch of 
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Washington, so we'll go back up 
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Sure. 
That's where we met. 

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That's. 
Right. 

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That's where we met, man. 
You've been on the podcast. 

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Is this second or third time on 
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I care this might be you're. 
One of the OG guests that you 

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were, one of my very first 
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podcast way back in like 2016 I 
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And then I had you back on, you 
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And now we're you're right. 
This this is another third kind 

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of thing. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
I like it man. 

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That's funny. 
That's been, it's so crazy to 

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think back like, 'cause yeah, 
you won that show. 

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You're, you won the 
bodybuilding. 

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And then my Tom, if you remember
Tom, that's right, It was Tom. 

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Which show was this? 
It's just. 

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Like I think, I don't even know 
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anymore, but it was the NGA or 
the it's called NGA, the NGO. 

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There's the GBO. 
No GBO cause yeah, NGA is the 

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natural federation, but the GBO 
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natural and you still want it. 
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Yeah, the, the guy I won the 
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the bodybuilding, he, he was, he
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He was, he had like you remember
that competitor, man, he was 

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huge. 
He probably had £100 on me and 

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he was like losing his hair in 
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brain, man. 
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Look at him. 
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talking. 
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Yeah, like what causes that? 
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drugs and it's just like the 
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rheumatizing and estrogen or if 
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dihydrotestosterone like I don't
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well. 
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but I don't I haven't seen that 
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male pattern baldness. 
It seemed like a a condition of 

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some kind. 
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I. 
Mean yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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anything about all of the 
performance enhancing drugs side

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of things because I don't ever, 
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the case may be, they're just 
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but I don't want any part of 
what they're taking. 

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Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a 
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the pro level 2, but there's a 
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conditioned with, you know, 
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water bloat. 
Maybe you're used to like their 

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even if you push it super hard 
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time and the body still needs 
time for fat loss and you can go

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just puffy look, you know, 
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I see that all the time. 
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be honest with you. 
I don't really talk to a lot of,

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education is coming out finally 
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and to actually try and be 
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But yeah, it's. 

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I feel like like TRTHRT is just 
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Like back when you and I knew 
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there were people that were 
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stage to compete at a higher 
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you know, downstream education, 
more people are getting educated

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to, OK, we probably should get 
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basis, let's do this the right 
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too. 
That's it. 

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Yeah. 
And this is actually because you

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that there's like 2, there's 
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is great. 
There's more education and 

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available like quality 
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retiring or like the more the 
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doctors coming in, they're more 
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lab work and testosterone is OK 
versus back then people are 

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like, oh, you take testosterone,
you're just taking a bunch of 

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steroids. 
It's like, it's by identical. 

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It's like what's in your body? 
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it's like there is more 
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attention on it, there's more 
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false information as well, 
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with my clients, I didn't really
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skewed lab work. 
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When we first like 5 to 8 years 
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you know, we got a guy that's 
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wants to kind of, you know, amp 
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Clomiphene, like NAD, like try 
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And if that doesn't like hold, 
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know, they feel a ton better. 
But now dude, the average levels

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that I see and I'm talking 
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late 20s, early 30s. 
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know why if it's all the the 
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just epic environment, if it's 
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and I mean the antibiotics and 
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But the average levels that I 
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across the board on all age 
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years ago. 
So it's like one of those things

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where it is a need, but why does
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Like what's the actual 
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And that's US specific, but I 

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don't know other country stuff, 
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No, it's interesting man. 
Like I've I've seen different 

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stats and like something that 
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male testosterone has dropped by
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or something like that. 
Something easy to rattle, left 

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And I've never had super high 

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testosterone. 
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like I just got tested the other
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like 350 or something like that.
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Yeah, it's never been high. 
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like 3 to 600 probably is my 
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89. 
So crazy low then. 

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But I've never had super high 
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And I feel like for me, it's 
because I'm just super stressed 

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A lot of people will look at my 
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Oh, it's because you've been 
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But one of my clients that works
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1000 plus, he's, you know, 

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several months into prep and 
he's still 800 something. 

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So it's not that. 
I just think mine's lack of 

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sleep honestly. 
Yeah, I think to be honest, 

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that's a, that's a big culprit 
too, like whatever, like food 

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selection or manufacturing, all 
that. 

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comparing notes of like the 

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perceived stress versus actual 
stress, you got to look at that 

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too, like how the user can 
handle stress. 

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But even then, a lot of guys 
like subconsciously if they can 

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handle stress, it's still there.
And that would it's gut issues. 

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I haven't seen one case that 
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stress trigger as well as yeah, 
the hormones get pretty beat up 

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from the stress and the lack of 
sleep too, for sure. 

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So I bet you you're probably 
right, yeah. 

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And there definitely are like a 
lot of xenoestrogens and 

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environmental toxins that we 
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against. 
And like the, you know, like 

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the, the soaps, the 
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cleaning products that we use, 
the clothes that we wear, you 

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know, like most people's clothes
are coming from China or some, 

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you know, the country where it's
like recycled plastic. 

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So you're getting a lot of, you 
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It's like all that adds up over 
time. 

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But yeah, the lifestyle factors 
I think is key. 

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I mean, people that are not 
getting enough sleep, spending 

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all their time on their phones 
right before going to bed, 

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they're not getting a deep 
quality sleep, but they're 

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drinking too much alcohol. 
I think alcohol is a huge 

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detriment to testosterone. 
So mitigating against that I 

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think is is key. 
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totally mainstream. 
The whole TRT thing. 

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I need to make a video on this 
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But I feel like a lot of people,
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feel optimal. 
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testosterone by the book, so OK,
I need to get some TRT to feel 

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better. 
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there's a clinic on every street
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And they're like, yeah, let's 
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Yeah, you're going to take this,
we're going to get you up to 

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this number and you're going to 
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better recovery, more libido. 
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off all these things that it's 
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And then I look at all of those 
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know, quote UN quote, low 
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And I'm like, man, I feel like 
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I don't have a dad bod. 
I'm staying lean. 

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I've got recovery, I've got 
libido. 

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I got a baby on the way. 
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vitality for life right now and 
zeal. 

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Like I don't think I'm missing 
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Yeah, no, I I agree. 
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like obviously you're not 
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have these bad habits, you know,
patterns you have to break, like

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you're leading by example with 
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your nutrition and exercise. 
I mean everything. 

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becoming a point. 
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started seeing like ads, Hey, 
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like a vial and everything. 
I'm like, we're running ads to 

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this. 
I'm like, I don't. 

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So that's legal, I guess. 
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yeah, I think it's become really
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fad diet or something like that 
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supplements or it cleanses or 
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It's like, I think there's 
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if you want to call it, because 
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system. 
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with your hypothalamic acid, you
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like kind of regulating. 
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it's not just take in some, you 
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something that's like flushing 
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something simple. 
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marketing like almost like a fad
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wild. 
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play now too. 
That kind of come, I think 

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intertwined with the HRT is 
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clinics or whatever you want to 
call them pushing. 

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Yeah, the peptides are 
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And there's been a lot of, you 
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out around that. 
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dog in the fight necessarily. 
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have an obesity epidemic. 
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weight and be healthier, that's 
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outcome is of paramount 
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You know, so like, I understand 
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that want to go that route to 
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going, but my hesitation is that
it's not really fix the root 

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issue. 
And if you put people on, you 

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know, the peptides and they're 
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changing the types of calories 
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They're just eating fewer 
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Like I was getting my hair cut 
the other day and, and the woman

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cut my hair had lost 20 lbs 
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If she was all excited and she's
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to eat the whole sleeve of Oreo 
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half of it. 
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doing for protein? 
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protein from peanut butter. 
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moment. 
It's like, OK, we we got to fix 

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some of these underlying issues 
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desired. 
Outcome here. 

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You know, that's funny. 
Yeah, it's always peanut butter.

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I don't know why I'm getting all
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you're right. 
I'm. 

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I think we're on the same page. 
I've like to be completely 

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transparent, like I haven't done
enough research into all of it 

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because I didn't even want to 
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you know, like it would probably
good for content, you know, to 

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make it combative and all the 
stuff. 

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But I'm like, you know, it's 
going to, it's people going to 

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go through it. 
And you know, I've had a lot of 

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clients come to me after they've
done it and they did it 

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incorrectly. 
I think it's just like anything 

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where, yeah, you can use it as a
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that you can abuse it. 
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protein is what people usually 
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So then a lot of skeletal muscle
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But yeah, like you're saying, 
it's just, it's the same thing 

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like just reducing your appetite
to consume, you know, lower 

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total calories. 
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total, I mean, it's total 
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So I guess that's curious. 
I'm curious your thoughts of my 

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observations of the last few 
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do you have more of a 
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or do you have more of a rigid 
more like specific meal 

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selection or food sources that 
they must get in like for your 

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clients? 
Or do you have a like what's 

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your flexibility? 
There's two offsets of the 

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spectrum, you know, where are 
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So I, I feel very fortunate 
because I learned so much when I

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flexible dieting days. 

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obviously change my composition 

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effectively with that approach. 
I don't think it was the optimal

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approach from like a hormonal or
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standpoint. 
So I feel like keto answered a 

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lot of those issues, but a lot 
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them are very ignorant when it 
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partitioning. 
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there's a big fear of the 
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people by any means, but like 
the low carb ketogenic carnivore

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space, so much so that they like
say, OK, calories are totally 

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irrelevant. 
They don't matter. 

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It's all about hormones, 
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And that, to me is just always 
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look, it all matters. 
Like, hormones are very 

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important. 
You know, depending on your 

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hormone manipulation, you can, 
you know, influence how much 

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caloric expenditure you're 
actually deriving from the foods

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you're consuming. 
But at the end of the day, a 

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calorie is just a unit of 
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They all impact the body 
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differently, but they're that's 
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So swamp out the word calorie 
for fuel and, you know, and then

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use that. 
So that's been a big frustration

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of mine. 
So I'm always like, when I'm in 

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a prep, I'm 100% manipulating my
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I'm very specific with the 
distribution of those 

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macronutrient ratios. 
But I would never recommend 

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people throw all caution to the 
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how much total fuel they're 
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Interesting. 
Yeah. 

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OK, so it seems like you do 
there's like witness serious 

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dieting like for prep, like 
there's manipulation with that 

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total chloric intake on purpose.
And it's not just like there's 

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some people where they won't 
track, they won't track 

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anything, right? 
It's just more like they only 

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use specific food sources. 
And then in my opinion, I guess 

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it's like, yeah, you can 
manipulate hormones to for the 

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caloric expenditure like you 
said. 

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But at the end of the day, the, 
the data that you're collecting 

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to manipulate like when you're 
getting deeper in prep and stuff

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like that. 
I'm just curious if like how 

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rigid meaning like you're on the
dot with your caloric intake and

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your certain macronutrient 
ratios. 

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Like you say, if you're just 
like really rigid and you eat 

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the same thing everyday kind of 
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similar if not the same thing 
every day. 

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Once you kind of get to low prep
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thinking about having all this 
crazy flexibility. 

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I don't know how you work. 
I just, I'm just trying to get 

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my meals. 
Yeah, so, so I pretty much I'm 

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really rigid with my 
macronutrient Graham goals. 

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And I tell my clients like, hey,
look, because I'm manipulating 

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their macros every single week. 
Like I update their macros for 

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the following week, you know, 
every Friday or Saturday 

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typically. 
And I'll say, OK, look, your 

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macros are changing every week, 
pretty incremental changes. 

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You know, 510g adjustments. 
Try and consistently get within 

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5 grams of the gold macros every
single day. 

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Like if you're doing that, then 
I'll be getting good data back 

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on how your body's responding, 
then I can make better 

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adjustments for you going 
forward. 

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And if they're hitting those 
macro goals, then all by 

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definition know what their 
caloric intake is as well. 

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And like, OK, so I think you and
I are very similar in that 

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capacity then well, I bring it 
up. 

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I was just curious, do you have 
you had any scent or hint? 

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I know we're in different 
industries, but the whole like 

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tracking macros as I look at it,
at least that you, I don't want 

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to speak for you, but it's like 
you're accumulating data. 

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It's just like a, it's just like
the scientific method 

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essentially, right at the end of
the day, like you're in high 

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school, college, whatever, and 
you're doing these, you have a 

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control group, you're trying to 
create a control at least, and 

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you're testing variables and 
whatever adjustments or ratio or

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whatever. 
But and then you get a bunch of 

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feedback, see what the outcome 
was and then based on the 

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outcome, change the plan kind of
thing, right? 

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You're making the adjustments 
and you kind of do that every 

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week. 
That's like a more of a 

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scientific approach. 
I feel like it's pretty much 

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scientific in that capacity, but
I feel like or maybe observe 

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that the whole tracking macros 
might be perceived to a new 

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user, a new person, and going 
into fitness as almost like a 

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fad diet. 
Yeah, it's, it's weird, man. 

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Have you? 
Does that make sense what I'm 

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saying though? 
Yeah, no, for sure. 

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Like I'm, I'm a big advocate for
tracking macros. 

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I, I don't think people should 
be a slave to macro tracking 

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like I've always told people 
like if you're happy with how 

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you look, then, you know, don't 
become a slave to tracking 

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macros. 
And I think that if you are, you

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know, regulating your, your 
blood sugar response, and if 

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you're eating real quality food 
that is nutrient dense and not 

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hyper palatable, you can be more
intuitive with your eating 

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because your body's gonna be 
giving you better hunger 

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signaling cues and you're not as
at high risk of overindulging. 

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But if all those criteria are 
met and you are still not happy 

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with how you're looking, then 
you know what can be measured 

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can be managed. 
So take a very objective view 

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towards things, get these 
metrics in place and then figure

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out what needs to be manipulated
to actually reach the goal. 

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So like, I'm totally for it, 
especially if you're having a 

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very specific goal in mind. 
And like with the bodybuilding 

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prep, like you can't intuitively
get some 5% body fat. 

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Like your body's going to fight 
you. 

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So like, you got to look at the 
numbers. 

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But yeah, there's people that 
are very opposed to tracking 

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because they look at it as not 
necessarily a fad, but more of 

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like a disorder, almost like, 
hey, that's bad. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So that's where it's just been 

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interesting, like, oops, sorry 
about that. 

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Interesting observation. 
Like at the end of the day, I 

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try to stay away from, I try to 
pick what's best for the client,

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right? 
Like any diet could work, but 

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what's going to be the most 
adherable? 

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Like adherence is always the top
priority, essentially, and 

446
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adherence to, like you said, 
manageable, like actual data 

447
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,520
that's concrete. 
But for whatever reason, I don't

448
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,200
know if just like everybody, the
whole flexible dieting took it 

449
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,960
extreme, right? 
And the noise of having Skittles

450
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,280
all day and kind of BS like that
kind of messed with it. 

451
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,400
But it just seems to me like, 
yeah, people, the tediousness 

452
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,280
from tracking for one. 
But also it's almost like, yeah,

453
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,440
it just seems like I'm a, you 
know, it's a food disorder kind 

454
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,120
of thing. 
I'm like, well, you know, I try 

455
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:21,320
to explain to him, well, do you 
go to work? 

456
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,880
Do you, do you get a paycheck, 
you know, every two weeks or 

457
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,320
every month? 
OK. 

458
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,440
Do you have bills that you have 
to pay? 

459
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,600
So and they're like, yeah, I'm 
like, so you're telling me that 

460
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,280
you're going to go spend money 
based on what you think you are 

461
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,280
making, you know, every month, 
regardless if you actually know 

462
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,360
what you're spending the, you 
know, how much you're actually 

463
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,240
making. 
So that means that at the end of

464
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,400
the month, like if you're -1000 
bucks 2000 bucks, what do you do

465
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,560
then, right? 
Or just that makes sense. 

466
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,920
Like I try to put a real world 
example where it's like, well, 

467
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,080
I'm not trying to be, you don't 
have a disorder by going to work

468
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,240
and making money for to pay your
bills, do you? 

469
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,480
Right. 
It's kind of a similar 

470
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,800
perspective I try to give, but 
yeah. 

471
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,520
Yeah, no, I totally agree with 
you on all fronts, man. 

472
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,200
I mean, I feel like, you know, 
in a very simple time, in a 

473
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,480
super simple time, you know, 
rerun the clock 500 years. 

474
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,440
Like nobody is overweight. 
We don't have an industry, yeah.

475
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,880
We don't have industry and like 
you're bartering with your 

476
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,200
neighbor for like what you need.
Like if you need some more eggs,

477
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,600
then rather than go on and punch
the time clock and getting a 

478
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,120
paycheck in two weeks, you can 
just trade them some of your, 

479
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,120
you know, wool from your sheep 
for some of their eggs. 

480
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:31,800
Like you can just make it work 
and like man is a beautiful, 

481
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,920
beautiful setting setting. 
I would love to go back there at

482
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,000
times, you know, but like, 
that's not our current reality. 

483
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,280
Like we have a much more rigid 
structure and our psychology, 

484
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,920
biology, DNA, like we are, we've
evolved from that primitive root

485
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,800
structure, but like we live in a
very different time. 

486
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,640
So like you have to take that 
reality into consideration and 

487
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,680
adjust things according. 
Like it would be a luxury to not

488
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,600
have to track any food, to just 
have enough activity throughout 

489
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,640
our needs of survival to stay 
fit and healthy. 

490
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,760
But like, the reality is you 
could literally pay the bills by

491
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,040
working in front of your 
computer on whatever job you're 

492
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,400
doing and not have any movement.
So you wouldn't be checking that

493
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,960
box, eating hyper palatable 
foods that are delivered to you 

494
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,560
through DoorDash. 
I mean, like we are so far 

495
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,880
removed from what we 
evolutionary have been. 

496
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,160
You know, coming from that you 
have to have all these other 

497
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,840
interventions in place, tracking
being one of them. 

498
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,000
I agree 100%, Yeah, It's just 
the adapting over the current 

499
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,240
society for sure. 
And I think it's only going to 

500
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,360
keep going in that direction. 
Obviously, you know, yeah, like 

501
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:42,080
we were talking about with AI 
and all kinds of stuff where 

502
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,440
they'll come out with whatever 
machine stuff and robots. 

503
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,360
Now he wants, you know, come 
out, eat robots and then 

504
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,320
everything, everything will be 
removed. 

505
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,600
Where it's, it's it's like very 
interesting. 

506
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,560
But it's also like scary in the 
sense it might be sad because 

507
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,760
like you said, I, I wish I'd go 
back to cause like it's simple 

508
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,000
because it's simpler life and 
it's just the people, I guess if

509
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,040
you're not afraid of working 
hard, are actually doing things 

510
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,000
like it's more simple where it's
like, OK, I do this, trade it 

511
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,800
for this and you'd probably 
spend a lot more time. 

512
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,800
I think in other countries that 
aren't as advanced are shown 

513
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,480
like a lot happier, even though 
we think they're not because 

514
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,280
they don't have as much 
technology or something like 

515
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,520
that. 
But they spend more time with 

516
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,440
their family. 
They have to do things in groups

517
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,520
to like, you know, farming and 
that kind of stuff. 

518
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,760
But it's a lot simpler of a life
that sounds sounds interesting, 

519
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,920
you know. 
Oh yeah, it sounds appealing for

520
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,840
sure, man, especially that I've 
got kids. 

521
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,720
It's like, like I, I look at 
what interests them because they

522
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,200
don't have any biases placed in 
the world yet. 

523
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,280
So like, they don't care what's 
on my macro tracking and they 

524
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,680
don't care what the paycheck is 
the end of two weeks. 

525
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,640
They don't care about any of 
this stuff that they care about 

526
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,040
rolling around in the mud and 
going to seeing something new, 

527
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,600
you know, like that. 
That's what matters. 

528
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,800
But yeah, it's, it's funny, man.
Times change it for sure. 

529
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,480
But I do think in light of all 
that, like it's like this past 

530
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,240
week I took Saturday and Sunday 
because I've been tracking 

531
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,520
pretty consistently and I don't 
think track is bad. 

532
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,080
Like I track more often than not
because I'm always doing some 

533
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,400
type of experiment too. 
But this past Saturday and 

534
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,400
Sunday, I didn't track at all 
and just ate intuitively because

535
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,000
it's been, you know, significant
time since I've done them. 

536
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,400
And it's kind of weird because 
like when you track more often 

537
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,560
than not, and then you allow 
yourself time to not track at 

538
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:30,240
all, it's almost like you have 
to relearn what satiety feels 

539
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,280
like, what fullness feels like. 
Because like, I mean, I was just

540
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,320
listening to my body, but I, I 
put down probably 5000 calories 

541
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,320
each day no problem. 
And my I should definitely be 

542
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,840
full, but I could keep eating 
more if I wanted to, you know A.

543
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,800
100% yeah that because didn't 
what did you compete like how 

544
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,400
long has it been since? 
I did those five shows in 23 and

545
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,320
then I'd reversed, I added up 
from that and then I'd got up 

546
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:57,440
like 200 lbs at the peak of my 
build and I was just too heavy 

547
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,720
at 200 lbs. 
So I died it down to like one 

548
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,280
77180 and that's pretty much 
where I'm at right now Got. 

549
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,040
You. 
Yeah, no, I agree. 

550
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,160
Like usually that just the 
hunger signaling and stuff, 

551
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,360
depending on how deep I I see 
like kind of like a pendulum, 

552
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,960
the harder you push, the harder 
that signal is going to be on 

553
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,240
the back end. 
It's just like pretty much 

554
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,040
managing it emotionally and with
brain power pretty much. 

555
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,480
But but yeah, no, the certain 
body fat percentage, I don't 

556
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,160
know if you noticed this. 
It's just like it the certain 

557
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,160
set point like genetically of 
like body fat percentage wise 

558
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,200
where you're performing good, 
joints feel good and then hunger

559
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,400
signalling is more level. 
But on the opposite ends, like 

560
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,080
below it, if you're like a lower
body fat percentage, there will 

561
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,360
be that higher signalling where 
you might have more. 

562
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,520
For me, it would be like fibrous
food, vegetables and like not as

563
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,600
palatable like you were saying, 
and have those to kind of try to

564
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,360
get a little bit of hunger 
signaling down. 

565
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,280
But then like if you go above a 
certain body fat percentage away

566
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:04,160
from your set point, I noticed 
that for me, I got to just like 

567
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,920
keep labs in check in my 
essentially my insulin and 

568
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:07,960
glucose levels and stuff like 
that. 

569
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,360
Just track that a little bit 
because I'll be having a little 

570
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:13,040
more if you want to call it junk
food, but just have more 

571
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,240
palatable food that's probably 
going to be higher in sugar 

572
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,800
naturally, just to get in the 
amount of calories that I would 

573
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,440
have to get in because hunger 
Stanley starts to go down. 

574
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,280
And then, yeah, so I don't know.
So that's what's weird for me 

575
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,800
man. 
Like I, I remember when I first 

576
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,600
was starting to gain weight, 
like way back in the day, 

577
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,520
because I was 115 lbs when I 
started, like I was naturally 

578
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,720
super skinny and I had to work 
really hard to bulk. 

579
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,960
Like it took me significant 
effort to put on weight. 

580
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,440
Whereas now, like I don't ever 
feel like I'm force feeding. 

581
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,200
I, I vividly remember force 
feeding back then, whereas now 

582
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,280
like I don't feel like I'm ever 
force feeding. 

583
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,240
Like I can easily eat 6000 
calories a day of the most high 

584
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,680
quality nutrient dense, you 
know, steak and eggs and it 

585
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,000
wouldn't be effortful to do so. 
Like it would just go down easy,

586
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,760
which is kind of weird to me. 
That's. 

587
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,160
Cool. 
Yeah, because I know there's a 

588
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,480
lot of that's interesting to me 
because of because all the 

589
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,480
people that I've talked to or 
just know that done more of a 

590
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,880
keto style approach and just 
insulin is so much more level 

591
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,560
stable. 
And people say like it's easier,

592
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,200
let's say like dieting too, if 
they can get into the lifestyle,

593
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,440
like actually get into ketosis 
and manage with food selection 

594
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,000
and do a real keto style 
approach rather than I don't 

595
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,320
know what your thoughts are, but
like a carb refeed, you know, 

596
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,600
like a modified kind of approach
with keto where they're kind of 

597
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,480
bumping themselves out of 
ketosis. 

598
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,520
Or a lot of people will tell me 
like, yeah, I'm doing keto. 

599
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,720
And then it comes to, I asked 
them like, well, do you feel 

600
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,120
like crap all the time now? 
And they're like, yeah, I'm 

601
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,840
like, I don't think you should 
probably feel like crap all the 

602
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,440
time if you're actually in 
ketosis. 

603
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,280
That's called a low carb diet, 
you know, So, but it's 

604
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,120
interesting that you say that 
because just with insulin and 

605
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,680
hunger, like ghrelin, greylin, 
whatever you want to pronounce 

606
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,720
it, the spike to help with 
eating more. 

607
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,240
But if you feel like you just 
keep eating, you know, your 

608
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,400
insulin's a lot more stable and 
your glucose too. 

609
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,680
That's actually that's 
interesting to me. 

610
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,760
And I don't necessarily like 
that because like, I would love 

611
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,480
to feel more full. 
Like I don't want to eat 6000 

612
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,200
calories and still be hungry, 
you know? 

613
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,680
But but it's like, it's weird. 
And then the same is kind of 

614
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,400
true in reverse. 
Like when I'm dieting down, I'm 

615
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,200
definitely hungry, but it's like
I don't get hangry like I did 

616
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,680
when I was eating a bunch of 
carbohydrates. 

617
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,400
So I mean, I got blood work 
drawn the other day and my 

618
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,240
fasting insulin was good. 
Glucose is always good. 

619
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,400
You know, I'd be, I've never 
actually tested leptin Ingrelen,

620
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,320
but I'd be curious to see what 
those numbers are looking like. 

621
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,720
Yeah. 
Yeah, I haven't ever tested that

622
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,280
extreme of like hunger hormones 
stuff and gone through all that 

623
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,360
I've done like multi point 
salivary, like cortisol stuff. 

624
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,600
I kind of look at that in line 2
within different insulin points 

625
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,720
in the day and glucose level 
during the day. 

626
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,280
But to be honest, with the last 
year, dude, I've the last year 

627
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,280
and a half, two years, I haven't
even been an athlete, so to say 

628
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,400
because all my. 
Testing you, you recovered from 

629
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,040
your remind me the details on 
the injury and what all the 

630
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,480
specifics were on that. 
For my pituitary tumor, yeah. 

631
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,840
Yeah, that was back a long time 
ago. 

632
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:29,560
So it's funny, we bring up light
TRT like I've been on TRT for, I

633
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,800
don't know, 8 probably since 
I've known you. 

634
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,880
That's when I got it was when I 
was 19, I think. 

635
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,840
So yeah, at least nine years. 
So anyways, because that shut it

636
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,520
down. 
Like we tried clomiphene and ACG

637
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,960
and all these things to just try
to get it back up naturally. 

638
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,600
But that tumor, what it was is 
prolactinoma I guess is what 

639
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,280
classified the the name of it. 
So it push up prolactin and 

640
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,000
that's an antagonist for 
testosterone. 

641
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,440
So just like kind of push it 
down and keep it down. 

642
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,440
Colburn is, I think it's shrunk,
but just being on TRT for so 

643
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,080
long and just the suppression of
your natural production since 

644
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,560
you already have the exogenous, 
you know, form. 

645
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,520
I'm trying to have a baby, I'm 
trying to get on your level and 

646
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,040
it's just been extremely 
difficult. 

647
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,120
So all the last year I haven't 
been on TRT for at least a year 

648
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,120
and a half now and just blasting
high doses. 

649
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,520
I, I think the research, I think
the anecdotal evidence versus 

650
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,480
the research like push ACGA lot 
higher when you're trying to, 

651
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,640
for fertility. 
I think that you can go a lot 

652
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,840
higher than what's probably 
suggested or recommended. 

653
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,960
And that's what I've been doing 
is like a little bit extra that 

654
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,760
I'm supposed to and. 
So you're pushing the HCG, but 

655
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,880
you're off of the. 
The testosterone the. 

656
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,720
Exogenous TOT OK. 
And you're getting your so 

657
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,520
you're, you've been off of that 
for how long now? 

658
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,960
It's been about a year and a 
half. 

659
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,920
So it's a combination at first, 
usually with like my 

660
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,560
bodybuilders, like my enhanced 
guys, like depending on the 

661
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,720
length of time they're on, but 
also their usage of like if this

662
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,800
is their first cycle versus 
that, you know, they're been in 

663
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,880
the industry for 10 years. 
The amount of like time as well 

664
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,960
as like pulsing certain things 
like clomiphene. 

665
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,600
I like clomiphene better, which 
is a SERM that's an oral form. 

666
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,760
And then if they need it, like 
I'll blast clomiphene. 

667
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,680
If they need it, I'll put an ACG
as well. 

668
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,960
But I try to just start with 
like the minimal amount of 

669
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,240
things to get them back back up 
naturally. 

670
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,200
Because then you get to a point 
to where like if somebody's been

671
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,880
in it for a long time and 
they're not trying to have kids 

672
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,440
and like trying to go to the 
next level. 

673
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,720
Then you've heard of maybe like 
blasting and cruising and stuff 

674
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,920
like that where they'll have 
more levels during into prep or 

675
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,480
certain parts of their offseason
and they'll come down to, let's 

676
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,600
say, you know, additional dose 
would be 200 milligrams a week 

677
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,920
of testosterone, no? 
One's like cycling off and. 

678
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,240
Yeah, they don't even cycle off.
They just like the delta or like

679
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,080
the change in how much they 
take. 

680
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,640
They try to do less because 
it'll help resensitize the 

681
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,360
receptors essentially a little 
bit. 

682
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,639
So if you're just blasting all 
the time, it's just like 

683
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,360
anything else in the body, that 
tolerance kind of concept with 

684
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,159
like caffeine or anything, 
right, That'll kind of happen as

685
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,840
well with the receptors. 
But anyways, yeah, so me 

686
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,040
personally, I've been blasting, 
I did clomiphene first to see 

687
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,719
and it just really wasn't 
enough. 

688
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,840
And so I've been blasting 
clomiphene with high doses of 

689
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:33,080
ACG and I'm finally back up to, 
I think my last lab was mid 7 

690
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,199
hundreds. 
So it isn't going to be as high 

691
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,800
as like on testosterone, but 
it's more about like the 

692
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,600
fertility components of like 
your sperm quality count, 

693
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,080
motility, all that kind of 
stuff. 

694
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,800
So that's what we've been 
working on and. 

695
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,159
Well, that's exciting, yeah. 
So we'll see. 

696
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,920
We just started, actually. 
Hopefully Kaylee's OK with it, 

697
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,760
but we just started. 
I'm pretty open about 

698
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,680
everything, but because I think 
there's a lot of people that 

699
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,880
have been struggling with this, 
I didn't even know. 

700
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,040
And once I started like bringing
it up, people like, Oh yeah, I 

701
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,440
had a friend that's going 
through that too. 

702
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,960
And then they had a friend and 
everybody's doing like IVF. 

703
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,040
We haven't gotten there yet, but
we're starting with what's 

704
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,040
called IUI, if you're familiar 
with that. 

705
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,920
But that's where we're starting 
just to see because I think I 

706
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,920
was the problem. 
And if they can kind of, you 

707
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,320
know, we can get it figured out 
there. 

708
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,520
If not, and then we'll have to 
move to to IVF. 

709
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,080
But yeah, interesting. 
Fingers and crossed for man 

710
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,080
thinking and praying for that's 
that's exciting for sure. 

711
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,080
This will be your first one, 
right? 

712
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,480
This will. 
Be the first one, yeah. 

713
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,240
So we're time, it's all you 
know, it's not up to us. 

714
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,840
So we're just praying and, and 
when it happens, it happens at 

715
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,960
the right time, you know, so. 
Yeah, that's awesome, man. 

716
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,320
Super awesome. 
Well keep you posted there for 

717
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,880
sure. 
Yeah, 'cause you what? 

718
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,560
So any any day now you're saying
with your. 

719
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:53,000
Yeah, so like my my son Roger, 
he just turned 3 like 2 weeks 

720
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,640
ago and then we like crystals do
end of this month with our 

721
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,960
second. 
So like she could literally have

722
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,880
a baby. 
Like I could pause this podcast 

723
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,840
and be rushed to the hospital 
right now. 

724
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,840
I mean like any, any day now and
any day in the next 4 weeks is 

725
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,200
totally up for grabs. 
So so yeah, it's kind of what 

726
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,040
we're at right now. 
I've got my whole calendar 

727
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,480
blocked down after the next week
because it's probably going to 

728
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,480
happen soon. 
Yeah, dude, that is awesome. 

729
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,880
So happy for you man. 
And I can't believe your first 

730
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:24,760
one's already. 
Three. 

731
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,080
Yeah. 
Are you guys going to have more 

732
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,400
or is it 2 and done? 
I don't know, man, I feel like 

733
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,200
we'll, we'll probably know after
we've had the second for a 

734
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,720
little bit, but like it's, it's 
interesting because I mean, I'm 

735
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,480
not, I don't know anything about
parenting. 

736
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,600
I'm learning as I go, you know, 
there's no rule book for this. 

737
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,840
I feel like we've got a really 
respectful kid. 

738
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,200
I feel like he's super smart. 
I feel like he's really healthy.

739
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,040
He's like in that definite, you 
know, devious, you know, 

740
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,120
mischievous, defiant stage right
now, which is trying because 

741
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,840
it's like I take responsibility 
for everything. 

742
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,200
If like I'm failing him in some 
form or fashion, if he's just 

743
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,360
crazy right now. 
But everybody's like, no, he's 

744
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,680
3. 
So just take with a grain of 

745
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,640
salt. 
But everybody that I've talked 

746
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,320
to that's had more kids always 
says have more kids. 

747
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,520
So like, you know, I got to, I 
got to consider that too. 

748
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,840
Yeah, well, you guys will. 
It'll all align how it's 

749
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,520
supposed to. 
But yeah, now that's awesome. 

750
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,560
Dude. 
I'm really happy for you. 

751
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,840
Well, I'll have to just be on 
the lookout. 

752
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,200
Maybe it'll be a a baby poster, 
I don't know. 

753
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,200
Just maybe you'll shoot me text 
or I'll see it on your Instagram

754
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,880
or something like that of what's
the what's the what do you know?

755
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,840
You guys have a name yet? 
Yeah. 

756
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,640
So Rigel is his full name is 
Robert Rigel Sykes. 

757
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,320
So Rigel is the brightest star 
in the constellation of Orion, 

758
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,160
which is my middle name. 
And then the second one, we're 

759
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,080
like, OK, we got to do 
something. 

760
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,440
We can't do another star in the 
constellation Orion because what

761
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,520
else we got to pick from, like 
Beetlejuice or something? 

762
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,160
It's like a big start. 
So we're going. 

763
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,720
We're going to name him Hazen 
Wilder Sykes, so. 

764
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,680
Dude, that's sweet. 
Yeah. 

765
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:01,800
It'll be. 
Cool. 

766
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,400
It's interesting to me, like the
unique names coming out now, 

767
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,000
because that's what Kaylee, 
she'll just start, rattle him 

768
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,400
off, all right, Don't even think
about it. 

769
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,800
Yes or no. 
And she'll just start naming all

770
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,480
these names and I'm like, OK, 
yeah, yeah, well, that's 

771
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,680
different. 
So there's a lot of, like, 

772
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,320
different names coming out and 
that's cool. 

773
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,200
I like that. 
Appreciate it, man. 

774
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,360
Yeah, I mean, I called Raj Raj. 
He's got all kinds of nicknames,

775
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,920
so we'll probably call Hayes, 
Hayes and Hayes or something 

776
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,720
short like that. 
But yeah, man, having boys, I 

777
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,120
wouldn't know the first thing 
about having girls. 

778
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,520
But Raj, he's like full blown 
boy. 

779
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,040
Like yesterday I came home so my
wife could come up here and work

780
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,000
out. 
And like, first thing he wanted 

781
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,080
to do when I got home is drive 
his electric tractor to the 

782
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,040
yard, take all of his clothes 
off, and then just dump jump 

783
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,640
into this big mud hole. 
And like I spent the next 30 

784
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,560
minutes spraying them off the 
water hose. 

785
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,640
Like, that's just my day right 
now, which is awesome. 

786
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,680
Dude, that's awesome. 
Do you have, so you have one of 

787
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,800
those electric like what do you 
got like a skistor or not a 

788
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,920
skistor but you have like a 
tractor or something like that? 

789
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,840
Yes. 
And he's got a little tractor 

790
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,640
and a trailer and then it broke 
down. 

791
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,640
So I got him a little zero turn 
mower and he had that just like 

792
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,040
my mower. 
And then we got the tractor fix 

793
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,840
and I always get a tractor in a 
zero turn mower. 

794
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,960
He just spends hours in the yard
just driving around going 

795
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,880
through puddles and stuff. 
That's awesome, dude. 

796
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,960
That's super cool. 
Oh. 

797
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,440
Yeah, we love it. 
That'll be you. 4 did. 

798
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,880
I'm hoping man. 
Yeah, cuz I don't know if 

799
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,880
there's any validity of this. 
So funny. 

800
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,720
Kelly just likes to research a 
ton of stuff. 

801
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,920
And then she was, she brought up
she's like, you know, it's going

802
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,360
to be tough. 
I'm like, why is that? 

803
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,680
Cuz I'm only 5-6 on a good day, 
probably 55 most of the time. 

804
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,480
And Kaylee's 411 and she's like,
oh man, if we have a boy this 

805
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:46,720
kids going to get bullied. 
But but no, she said that with 

806
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:49,080
the IUI stuff because of what 
they do with like there's a 

807
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,960
certain process in a machine. 
They like do all this cleaning I

808
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,160
guess, or like they kind of get 
it prepared. 

809
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,400
And once they like kind of 
bypass and they go directly to 

810
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,600
trying to implant to the egg 
pretty much. 

811
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,520
The male, I don't know, there's 
validity, right? 

812
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,800
But Kelly was saying that what 
she was researching is the male 

813
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:15,040
sperm swim a little bit faster 
on the probability of having a 

814
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,840
male or a boy was like 3 or 3 
1/2 to one I think, when doing 

815
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,680
IUI. 
So I was like, oh, that's 

816
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,120
interesting. 
So I don't know if that's good 

817
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,520
or bad, but you know, I thought 
that was interesting. 

818
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,520
Just that research, you know. 
So maybe you're tall Male sperm 

819
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,120
will get there first. 
Well, dude, I don't know what 

820
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,760
happened in my side, my family, 
I'm the only short 1. 

821
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,560
So everybody, my dad 62, Noah, 
my little brother, he's 63, 

822
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,880
Tyler, he's 6-2. 
And then Kaylee, her side her, 

823
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,320
the women in her family are even
tall and she's just a little 

824
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,680
runt of the family too. 
So I don't know what happened to

825
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,400
us, but maybe we'll get some 
recessive. 

826
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,280
Genes we can speak taller than 
you probably yeah, like, I mean 

827
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,280
that's that'd. 
Be funny looking up to your kid,

828
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,680
no? 
No, it'll be exciting, man. 

829
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,000
I'm excited for you. 
It's the best thing in the 

830
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,080
world. 
I mean, like we got all these 

831
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,480
stressors of work and business, 
entrepreneurship. 

832
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,080
It's like you come home and like
none of that stuff even matters 

833
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,000
anymore, you know, Like it's 
just what can I do to make to my

834
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,920
to my kid right now? 
How can I be there for them? 

835
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,360
That's all that matters. 
Yeah, no, 100%, yeah. 

836
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,760
That's like the simple stuff. 
Yeah, I'm, I'm looking forward 

837
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,360
to it for sure. 
But. 

838
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,840
Yeah. 
But yeah, dude, other than that,

839
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:31,280
I think that's kind of all been 
new with me with family stuff. 

840
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,640
Do you have your man? 
You told me a while ago about 

841
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,480
the whole facility that you got 
going now, but do you still run 

842
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,760
in all the keto brick stuff and 
and do? 

843
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,200
You have any? 
Is it? 

844
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,000
Only the keto brick still or do 
you have any other SKU's I guess

845
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,640
or whatever you want to, you 
know, products? 

846
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,480
Yeah, we, we got all kinds of 
things, more commands. 

847
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,840
So we got we got the facility. 
So I've got my own gym in there.

848
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,400
I'm building out my gym with 
more equipment. 

849
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,960
We just put a shower in this 
past week. 

850
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,160
So I got a legit shower in my 
gym now, which is nice. 

851
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,440
Got the podcast studio going to 
do a lot more in person podcast.

852
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,400
We got the keto brick kitchen. 
And then we got like, you know, 

853
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,680
an apparel side. 
So we're totally revamping our 

854
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,440
apparel. 
Like I'm getting the website 

855
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,080
redone now. 
We're totally changing how we're

856
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,800
doing the apparel. 
So we're going to roll that out 

857
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,360
as a relaunch later this year. 
And then I've also got plans for

858
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,760
two other businesses at some 
point in the future. 

859
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,200
I'm, I'm, I'm like a serial 
entrepreneur, but I got to be 

860
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,520
careful because I need to like 
get everything that's currently 

861
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,920
active honed in and down. 
Yeah, very similar. 

862
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,120
Yeah, I've got that. 
And then obviously all the stuff

863
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,720
for the content like keto, 
bodybuilding, the course, the 

864
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:38,240
coaching, all that stuff. 
But yeah, always something work.

865
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:39,600
I didn't get you out here, man. 
To Arkansas. 

866
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:40,760
Yeah. 
No, I haven't. 

867
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:41,880
I haven't. 
Think about that because I want 

868
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,240
to come out and then I want to 
bring, if you don't mind, bring 

869
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:46,840
my brother because you have your
media guy, right? 

870
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,320
But I have my brother is my so 
we have a media company that we 

871
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,120
run up here in Idaho. 
He's more specific in all the 

872
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,760
real estate videography and 
photography and stuff. 

873
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,360
But and would you like drone 
work and the whole thing? 

874
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,960
But he's done a lot of my 
content because he's he's the 

875
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,880
smartest dude I know with that. 
So I don't know anything about 

876
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,240
it, but he. 
Loves it. 

877
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:09,120
He's your. 
Brother, yeah, he's my brother. 

878
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,440
So I was like, yeah, we can get 
a some content or something like

879
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,680
that. 
I'd love to come out and see the

880
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,000
facility, you know? 
Yeah, for sure, man. 

881
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,440
Let's make it happen. 
Let's make it happen. 

882
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,800
And once this baby comes, like 
I'm just going to, what I'd 

883
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,160
really like to do is I want to 
because I've got like a separate

884
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,480
Realty company as well like that
the that I purchased the 

885
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,440
building through. 
And I want to start, you know, 

886
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,240
buying real estate as an 
investment. 

887
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,960
And I'd like to get a, a place 
not far from our facility that I

888
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,160
could have as an Airbnb, but 
that anytime people want to come

889
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,320
out for a podcast or just in 
person, whatever, I just book 

890
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,040
out that house as an Airbnb for 
them. 

891
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,640
That way I could host people 
more, you know, efficiently. 

892
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,040
So yeah. 
That's awesome. 

893
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,000
And you've been dipping in more 
real estate now, but I don't 

894
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,560
even know the market over where 
you're at, but like it's crazy 

895
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:55,840
over. 
Here. 

896
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,080
Well, it's funny, man. 
Like I actually got my real 

897
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,720
estate license when I was in 
Washington. 

898
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,960
Really. 
I was, yeah, I was with the 

899
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,600
railroad. 
That's what took me to 

900
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,640
Washington. 
And then I was trying to start 

901
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,920
my own business there. 
So I was going to get into like 

902
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,560
rental properties. 
So I got my license for Coeur 

903
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,440
d'Alene for Idaho and 
Washington. 

904
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,120
And I got, I started working as 
a, as a, an agent, you know, 

905
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,640
buying and selling agent and you
know, had a few people buy 

906
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,840
houses through me that were also
with the railroad. 

907
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,640
But the whole goal with this was
to just buy rental income 

908
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,920
properties. 
But as soon as I quit the 

909
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,680
railroad, I lost all my 
financing for the rental 

910
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,960
property. 
So then I went Billy up, got 

911
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,480
like quarter $1,000,000 in debt 
and then started the business, 

912
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,800
you know? 
Yeah, yeah. 

913
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,400
No, that's, it's, that's a hard 
thing. 

914
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,480
You got to, it's like a kind of 
have to have the business, the 

915
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,520
cash producing business before 
the whole like investment side 

916
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,840
of things. 
I think the gurus online saying,

917
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,840
oh, you can make all this money.
I'm like, yeah, but it's a 

918
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,880
little different than what 
you're saying, you know, and 

919
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,640
then you got to live through it.
I mean, I've tried, I mean, I'm 

920
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,720
just pretty small fish, but I've
just tried to like buy. 

921
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,400
And then Kaylee and I thing 
right now is because we like to 

922
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,240
bounce around. 
So we'll like buy like this 

923
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:09,080
house. 
We just took a bunch of content 

924
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,320
for this house fully furnished 
and we want to just see what it,

925
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,040
what kind of demand or interest 
for like the area, especially in

926
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,440
the summer time now it's pretty 
touristy now like you if you 

927
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,760
remember being up here with the 
lakes, but I was like, well, if 

928
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,280
we could charge a premium then 
we can go back and forth or get 

929
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,680
get another property, you know 
what I mean? 

930
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,360
It's just kind of depends. 
And we haven't done like the 

931
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,200
full investor like hardcore full
time thing. 

932
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,200
But I think like over time you 
accumulate. 

933
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,800
I think for the average person, 
even you got like 5 properties, 

934
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,960
you know, that could be half 
paid off or at least the it's 

935
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,640
all the interest is done and 
like it's primarily principal 

936
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,920
after 15 years, you know, I 
think you're sitting pretty good

937
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,280
for, you know, afterwards, but 
that's what you're doing. 

938
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,240
And to me, yeah. 
And to me, it's just tangible, 

939
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,160
man. 
Like I, I totally get the whole,

940
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,240
you know, Bitcoin crypto, like 
I, I totally respect it. 

941
00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:00,200
I know I need to dive into it. 
I've had a few podcasts on. 

942
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,520
I probably should buy into it, 
but it's like man, like I'm a 

943
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,640
tangible kind of person. 
Like I like I real estate 

944
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,280
because I can go there, I can 
drive there. 

945
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,240
I can see it in my own two eyes.
Whereas like stock markets and 

946
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,280
crypto, it's like man, it's just
not as tangible for me. 

947
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,240
A. 100% yeah. 
I mean there's only so much land

948
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,760
or you know what I mean? 
That is a scarce like there's 

949
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,640
only so much land. 
So those stock markets and all 

950
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,240
that like it'll go up and down 
and blah blah and those guys are

951
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:30,000
smart and that's cool. 
I just, I try to, I'm trying to 

952
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,160
get past my impulse stage and 
like, you know where I'm like, 

953
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,120
oh, and my buddy said this, so 
maybe I should and more so of 

954
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,040
like actually understand what 
I'm doing and I don't understand

955
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,880
any of that stuff, you know, 
Yeah, I try to listen to like 

956
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,920
real estate stuff to understand 
like lending stuff and rent all 

957
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,120
this and markets and whatever. 
But Kaylee's going to be the 

958
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,840
group she was in down in 
Arizona. 

959
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,520
That's what she did was it 
wasn't retail like in a retail 

960
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,560
agent for a broker. 
It was more of wasn't a 

961
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,280
wholesaler, but I would be 
similar where they did fix and 

962
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,960
flips with investors because 
it's a Phoenix metropolitan area

963
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,880
is like a huge area for that and
she loves that stuff. 

964
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,360
And it's very interesting how 
they they do it all too. 

965
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,680
But there's a lot of moving 
parts, so. 

966
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,640
Yeah, it's, it's cool, man. 
I feel like, you know, you get a

967
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,760
good team. 
It's all about like having a 

968
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,120
really good team. 
Like you get it like we're doing

969
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,200
figs and flips, like having a 
really good group of 

970
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,560
contractors, subcontractors you 
trust, you know, have with all 

971
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,760
that stuff. 
But like for me, like I feel 

972
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,960
like as long as you're in a good
area and we're like in Northwest

973
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,000
Arkansas, this is where the 
university is, a lot of, you 

974
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,160
know, big corporations here. 
So like this is definitely the 

975
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,760
spot to be in in Arkansas. 
So I think it'd be a good spot 

976
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,520
for it. 
So. 

977
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,200
It's just dude, yeah, let me 
know if you do. 

978
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,040
If regardless, though, I still 
want to get out there if you get

979
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,280
Airbnb or not or whatever and 
I'll I'll stay whatever because 

980
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,640
I want to come check it out. 
I know we've been saying this. 

981
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,080
We're I'm terrible. 
I'm sorry. 

982
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,640
We've been saying this for I'm 
the same boat. 

983
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:03,360
Man, this thing, but you know, 
it's funny though, because like 

984
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,040
you and I both recognize the 
matter says like we, we got a we

985
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,360
we just get stuck in our own 
world and their own grind. 

986
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,040
Just, you know, doing the day. 
But it's like we both know that 

987
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,800
relationships at the end of the 
day is the only thing that 

988
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,360
matters. 
And, like, none of the other 

989
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,200
stuff is going to. 
They weren't even think about it

990
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,400
when we're sitting on our 
deathbed. 

991
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,120
But if we're like, you know, 
reflecting back on a good 

992
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,800
conversation or a shared meal or
something with people that we 

993
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,040
respect and admire, like, that's
what life's all about. 

994
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,240
So it's like, got to make that 
happen, ma'am. 

995
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:32,520
Yeah. 
No, we will. 

996
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,080
We will. 
We're going to make it happen. 

997
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,560
I'm going to I'm going to look 
right after this. 

998
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,040
When, when is a good time of the
season because you got a baby? 

999
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,120
So it might be a couple months, 
but when's a good time of year 

1000
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,280
to come over there? 
Man, this, this area is 

1001
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,040
beautiful, like in the fall 
because like in the fall you've 

1002
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,080
got all the leaves changing 
colours. 

1003
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,360
You're in the mountains here. 
So I would recommend, you know, 

1004
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,200
oh, I'm doing my show, like I'm 
hosting a show in September. 

1005
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,200
You got to come down for that. 
You got to bring some athletes 

1006
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,200
down for that show. 
In September I'm going to have 

1007
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,400
my dad cook a BBQ show. 
Like a competition. 

1008
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,840
Yeah, like I'm, I'm promoting a 
show this year. 

1009
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,200
Yeah, yeah. 
So it's going to be September 

1010
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,560
27th. 
It's going to be called the 

1011
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,000
Natural State Savages, but yeah,
it's natural show. 

1012
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,080
But yeah, man, like we're going 
to be like, I've already got the

1013
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,320
judges, I got the venue, I got a
nice venue. 

1014
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,080
It's going to be awesome, man. 
So you got to come down for 

1015
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,120
that. 
That's it, Yeah. 

1016
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,320
I have to see not any natural 
athletes during that time. 

1017
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,040
I got to see it through. 
The roster for any natural guys 

1018
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,280
are going on September time. 
I'll take a look. 

1019
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,080
I know they've got some enhanced
guys, but that won't work. 

1020
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,720
Yeah, well, I tried to because 
like you get like within the 

1021
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:44,400
WNBF, you get, you know, Worlds 
in November. 

1022
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,040
So you got a lot of people doing
shows, you know, leading up to 

1023
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,320
Worlds to kind of like get 
qualified and everything for 

1024
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,160
them. 
And this will be a pro 

1025
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,200
qualifying show. 
Nice, nice. 

1026
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:54,960
Yeah. 
So yeah, it'll be as long as we 

1027
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,960
get enough competitors. 
So it it should be good man. 

1028
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,720
Good for you, dude. 
Well, yeah, maybe that. 

1029
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,920
Maybe that'll be. 
I should come down in September 

1030
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,000
then. 
Yeah, that'll be perfect. 

1031
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,960
Because yeah, I'm pretty much, 
that's right, because I run 

1032
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,040
another business and it's just 
seasonal June through June 

1033
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,560
through August. 
So right after that, I might be 

1034
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,880
actually perfect timing just 
because I'm going to leave and 

1035
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,400
Kim and I'll probably go back 
down easy in the winter time 

1036
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,520
anyway. 
So be kind of nice to go 

1037
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,480
somewhere for September. 
That'd be nice. 

1038
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,000
Cool. 
Yeah, let's do it. 

1039
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,280
We'll swing through Arkansas on 
your way to Arizona, man. 

1040
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,440
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1041
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,000
Little little roundabout trip. 
Little scenic round. 

1042
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,640
There you go. 
Katie would love it yeah, she 

1043
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,400
she likes doing that stuff and 
stopping it all the to her like 

1044
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,800
lakes and stuff like that. 
So. 

1045
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,120
Yeah, yeah. 
Now her and Crystal needed me. 

1046
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,800
They'd get along good. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1047
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,320
Well, yeah, you have to tell 
Crystal hi for me. 

1048
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:50,000
And I'm glad everything sounds 
like she's healthy and kids on 

1049
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,720
the way and. 
Yeah, she's she's happy, 

1050
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:53,120
healthy. 
She's excited to get her body 

1051
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,880
back though, man, like for, I 
don't know about Kaylee, but I 

1052
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,040
mean, I'm assuming she's with 
you. 

1053
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,040
So she's probably like fit and 
athletic and trains and stuff 

1054
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,240
like it's. 
It's an interesting. 

1055
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:03,920
Yeah. 
No, I guess I'll give her 

1056
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,360
credit. 
She's been getting back in it, 

1057
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,080
Yeah, but she's, she's got those
natural, those genetics. 

1058
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,880
She's like four 1100 lbs, dude. 
Like she's tiny, but she's hard 

1059
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,240
for her to gain weight. 
But yeah, I know she she's 

1060
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,360
working out. 
She's been starting to bless her

1061
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,280
heart, dude. 
She's been trying to run and 

1062
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,400
I'm, I'm not a runner, but she's
been trying to like weight 

1063
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,160
train. 
And then with my sister, she's 

1064
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,280
like they do, running like two 
or three days a week. 

1065
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,200
So this whole hybrid thing is 
like really popular. 

1066
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,320
Right now I feel, yeah. 
Pulling up, run. 

1067
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,120
Clubs and stuff around locally, 
even to me I'm like Dang, all 

1068
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,440
right, cool. 
Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't 

1069
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,040
mind running. 
I'll run every once in a while, 

1070
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,560
like I ran this morning for like
a mile, you know, like nothing 

1071
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,520
impressive. 
But yeah, I'm definitely not a 

1072
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,080
runner. 
I like my background, believe it

1073
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,960
or not. 
I was playing basketball growing

1074
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:58,040
up and kind of got into this, I 
don't know, I got recruited, not

1075
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,240
recruited, but asked to coach 
this high school skis kids 

1076
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,240
locally to me. 
And I was like, oh, this is a 

1077
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,120
great opportunity to maybe just 
get involved in the community. 

1078
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,000
And it's been a ton of fun. 
But I'll like run some games 

1079
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,120
with them. 
And I'm like, Oh my gosh, yeah, 

1080
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,680
I need to do some more cardio. 
But that's what I like to do 

1081
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,080
when I'm like, you know, doing 
more cardio based stuff is try 

1082
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,160
to rather than just run. 
It could be like something 

1083
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,960
active, you know what I mean? 
Like a sport. 

1084
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,560
That's where I still like In the
summer, I'll try to, on purpose,

1085
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,040
go do some manual labor. 
It's because like when you're 

1086
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,120
behind the desk all day 
everyday, sometimes I don't know

1087
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,800
why, but it's like, you know 
what, it might, it sounds kind 

1088
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,120
of good to go like mow some 
grass, you know, or go do 

1089
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,160
something that's more labor 
intensive that most people like 

1090
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,640
what the heck? 
But and I it's nice. 

1091
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,440
You know, therapy for me, I love
it. 

1092
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,120
It's like therapeutic, yeah. 
No, that's like favorite part of

1093
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,520
the week. 
It's like mowing the grass and 

1094
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,520
you know, being outside and sure
with you, you got to watch your 

1095
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,960
kids mess around and stuff like 
that. 

1096
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,320
So. 
Yeah, yeah, it's it's the 

1097
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,200
highlight for sure, man. 
But yeah, you got to, you got to

1098
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,960
move like I, I don't know about 
you track your step count like 

1099
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,880
do you put any stock in that at 
all really? 

1100
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,320
To be honest, you're not really.
I do when it's needed. 

1101
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,400
I guess I would say so. 
Yeah, I don't track it, act like

1102
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,520
I don't proactively track it. 
Like I have a Garmin watch and 

1103
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,760
most days with me in front of a 
computer, I'm averaging like 5 

1104
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,960
or 6000 steps a day, which is 
nothing impressive. 

1105
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,400
So I got to get outside and just
like, move my body more, you 

1106
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,200
know? 
Yeah, I'm the same way. 

1107
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,160
I think you kind of, I don't 
know, I do you have that feeling

1108
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,800
where you get kind of cooped up 
and even, you know, when you've 

1109
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,640
been sitting a little too long, 
you're like, OK, I just need to 

1110
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,520
just go outside. 
Like, it's nice now in the 

1111
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,400
summers here. 
But but yeah, just like moving. 

1112
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,720
It's, it's wild the way it can 
do just for the brain and just 

1113
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:49,920
the just the function to focus 
for the rest of the day, you 

1114
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,400
know? 
Well, I feel grateful. 

1115
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,680
I've got all my employees here 
and I've been trying to get them

1116
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,280
all, you know, fit and active 
and a lot of them are in prep 

1117
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,800
for this show that I'm hosting, 
which is nice. 

1118
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,240
But one thing I've been doing 
with them daily is we'll all 

1119
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:05,400
take a, a break at some point. 
We'll go rock out some pull ups.

1120
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,760
We've got the gym here on site 
too. 

1121
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,720
So I'll take like, you know, 
we'll all go do 30 pull ups or 

1122
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:12,440
something and we'll just cycle 
through five sets, 6 or whatever

1123
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,960
as like just a, you know, way to
break up the day. 

1124
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,240
And I think that's been super 
good for. 

1125
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,920
Us No, that's super cool dude, 
have a team and yeah, no, I'm 

1126
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:26,160
the same way though yeah, I got 
to I don't track it because I 

1127
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,800
just I try to reduce as many 
variables as possible to keep 

1128
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:34,520
track of and let that intuitive 
like the natural intuitive kind 

1129
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,120
of approach. 
How do I put this? 

1130
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,640
So we're going to track macros 
and stuff like that I think is 

1131
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,320
important with a margin of error
plus or minus something like you

1132
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,040
said. 
But I try to reduce other 

1133
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,480
variables until they show 
themselves as more needed to be 

1134
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,760
focused on. 
Just for like try not to have 

1135
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,400
the client or myself like worry 
about a million things right out

1136
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,400
the gate kind of thing, you 
know, like sodium sugar for us, 

1137
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:04,760
fiber and then your steps and 
then got the timing of yourself.

1138
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,160
I mean all these different 
things. 

1139
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,000
I try to like not do that at 1st
and get some momentum and then 

1140
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,280
work your way out with nutrient 
timing or taken to make sure 

1141
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,840
that you have enough fiber in 
the day or you're not blasting 

1142
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,120
100 grams of sugar in a day or 
something like that, you know 

1143
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,800
so. 
Yeah, you got it. 

1144
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,320
You can't hit them with 
everything all at once. 

1145
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,920
I mean, it wouldn't be, wouldn't
be worthwhile. 

1146
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,600
You got. 
Do you have any like experiments

1147
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,560
that you're running right now 
and you think you're trying out 

1148
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,200
that that's new to you? 
Good question. 

1149
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:43,000
I who was that with? 
This was with my assistant coach

1150
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,600
Mike. 
I don't know if you've met or 

1151
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,560
seen Mike. 
I've I coached him for a long 

1152
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,240
time and then I kind of brought 
him on as assistant coach. 

1153
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,680
He's done really, really well. 
I'm really proud of him. 

1154
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,920
But he had a client that was 
competing and she was her novice

1155
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,600
like she was her first show and 
she won novice, which was pretty

1156
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,520
cool to see Mike, you know, do 
his thing and, and have her win 

1157
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,200
her class. 
But it was interesting, I'm 

1158
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,240
finding my peak week strategy 
because you know, like my 

1159
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:12,840
background with Cliff and 
everything, like very dialed, 

1160
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,640
there's certain specific peak 
weeks and all this stuff. 

1161
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,280
And I feel like there's been an 
extension that I've been like 

1162
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,480
trying out and it's more of like
a two week peak week. 

1163
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:29,280
OK, I'm listening. 
And I noticed this plays more 

1164
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,880
into the maybe I shouldn't say 
this on camera though, because 

1165
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,360
of my clients are like, oh, is 
that what he's? 

1166
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,280
Doing. 
No, I think I'll, I'll tell you 

1167
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,960
this just and then like we can, 
we can talk about it whenever, 

1168
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,520
but the two week peak week is 
different than like a front 

1169
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:52,280
load, mid load, back load, back 
load, clean up day, like all the

1170
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,600
different stuff maybe you've 
seen in like Cliff's book and 

1171
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:59,200
like would I have my background?
The two week is because of the 

1172
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:05,640
psychological adherence that if 
you have a client that maybe 

1173
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,400
hasn't gotten it done in the 
last stages and you're just like

1174
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,400
almost to the stage way that 
you're trying to get to, but 

1175
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,200
either it's just become very 
difficult or adherents just 

1176
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:22,080
starting to get a little wonky. 
I find that you can do a lot in 

1177
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:28,800
two weeks if you have the 
mindset of the client able to do

1178
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:33,800
it. 
And So what happens is, is when 

1179
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,040
a client usually, especially 
more first time competitors, 

1180
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,200
when they hear the, their, their
coach say, Hey, we're going to 

1181
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,440
start peak week, it creates 
excitement. 

1182
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:48,800
So usually adherence goes up and
whatever variance of not hitting

1183
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,400
macros or the extra food they're
sneaking and that kind of stuff 

1184
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,040
will stop like immediately 
because now they're getting 

1185
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,040
excited. 
Like, oh, cool, peak week 

1186
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,600
usually means I'm going to get 
carbs, you know, with people 

1187
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,400
like loading for traditional 
style peak weeks. 

1188
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:08,640
But what I noticed is like the 
level of attention to detail 

1189
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,760
increases dramatically. 
And you're not like doing 

1190
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,160
anything crazy in terms of the 
actual peak week. 

1191
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,800
It's just all in the 
communication of starting the 

1192
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,160
peak week, if that makes sense. 
But essentially what you do is 

1193
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:28,120
just like I'll usually do one if
the person's been like really 

1194
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,320
low and messing up, but usually 
just like 1 little higher mid. 

1195
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,320
Not like a high carb day like a 
high refeed, like a high high 

1196
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,680
refeed, but more of a moderate 
refeed to kind of start, start 

1197
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:43,480
it and then hit him pretty hard 
with the with the deplete. 

1198
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,840
And then instead of having let's
say like a four or a five day 

1199
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,760
slow linear load with 
carbohydrates, that's how you 

1200
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,160
know that's the difference 
between us. 

1201
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,080
But instead of like a linear 
load, that linear load becomes 

1202
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:04,680
very, very small over 10 days, 
11 days, something like that. 

1203
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,120
And the interesting part is you 
would think, because when you do

1204
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,960
a huge def depletion and then 
you start adding food back in, 

1205
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,320
you're still in a heavy deficit 
if you're making small additions

1206
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,280
to your calories. 
Because, for example, like, just

1207
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,080
to give people listening like 
context, let's say that your 

1208
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,880
maintenance, this is not going 
to be what it is. 

1209
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,440
So let's say your maintenance is
like 2000 calories and you're 

1210
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,680
eating, you know, 1200 calories 
at the very end or something 

1211
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,360
like that. 
And you start adding food back 

1212
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:36,120
in like 100 calories. 
So 1300 calories, 1400 calories,

1213
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,360
you're still in that that 
deficit, even though you're 

1214
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,800
adding calories back in. 
Does that make sense? 

1215
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,320
Totally. 
So you would think that the like

1216
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,920
the symptoms of just the huge 
deficit and the hunger and just 

1217
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,600
the the lack of energy and the 
focus or whatever would be still

1218
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:57,080
very dominant. 
But like I said, it's been 

1219
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,880
interesting because the 
communication that we're 

1220
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,800
starting peak week two weeks out
versus, you know, 7 to 10 days 

1221
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,120
out. 
It, I think it's a it's an 

1222
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,760
emotional, it's adrenaline, it's
whatever the emotional component

1223
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,400
of them getting excited for the 
show. 

1224
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,280
And here it gets a ton better. 
And then because you're still in

1225
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,200
the deficit, even though you're 
adding small amounts of food, 

1226
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,200
you're losing fat like you're 
losing the more body fat that 

1227
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,720
you needed to lose to to get to 
where you wanted to be for that 

1228
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,960
stage weight projection. 
So the difference here is like 

1229
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,080
if we didn't do it, like I 
haven't tried it, who will know?

1230
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,200
I don't have like a control to, 
to, to kind of compare against 

1231
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,160
for that specific one individual
with two different types of peak

1232
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,200
week, right? 
I don't have that data yet. 

1233
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,320
But it's more like, you know, if
we start a 7 day out kind of 

1234
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,800
peak week, would we have gotten 
to this conditioning if we did 

1235
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,920
it this way versus if we did 
that two week peak week and how 

1236
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,480
we communicated it to get us 
started? 

1237
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,440
And does that make sense of the 
end result essentially? 

1238
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,160
Yeah, and the psychology of prep
and peak week specifically is a 

1239
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:04,920
whole nother thing in and of 
itself. 

1240
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,360
And like it, it goes like human 
psychology especially goes way 

1241
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,000
beyond just like the macro 
manipulation, because the 

1242
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:18,240
hormonal repercussions of their 
excitement or lack thereof in 

1243
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,480
that finite period of time also 
changes their caloric 

1244
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,640
expenditure in life. 
And there's so many freaking 

1245
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,880
factors that go into play. 
Experiments on your testosterone

1246
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,240
levels, thinking that you have 
low T, you know, lower 

1247
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,160
testosterone and then all of a 
sudden it drops. 

1248
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,000
Then you have high testosterone 
during prep. 

1249
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,480
They've had studies on that with
people that are lifters and 

1250
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,240
stuff and if they think they 
have high testosterone, usually 

1251
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,080
it doesn't decrease as much. 
You know, it's interesting. 

1252
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,000
It's crazy, man. 
It's great. 

1253
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,160
It's it's, it's totally science,
which is why I love it. 

1254
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,160
Like there's so always, always 
something to to manipulate and 

1255
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,400
try and tweak and then be able 
to see the outcome with your 

1256
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:56,560
clients is super fulfilling. 
Yeah, man, I love it all. 

1257
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,320
I love it all. 
Have have you followed along 

1258
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,040
with any of this sugar diet 
stuff? 

1259
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,040
Has that been making waves in 
your space at all? 

1260
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,760
I don't know. 
I don't know about sugar diet. 

1261
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,400
I know, I don't know why I've 
seen this guy. 

1262
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,360
Maybe he followed me and I fell 
him back or something, but it 

1263
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,080
was like a snake diet or 
something. 

1264
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,960
It's all sugar. 
Yeah. 

1265
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,720
Because there might be multiple 
people now doing the whole sugar

1266
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,760
thing. 
Multiple people, but he's kind 

1267
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,800
of one of the ringleaders. 
I don't know much about him. 

1268
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,080
His name is Cole. 
He was doing, like, hardcore 

1269
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,240
keto and then fasting and then 
carnivore, and now he's doing, 

1270
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,520
like, eat nothing but sugar. 
So he's like all over the board,

1271
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,280
but he's kind of like he's 
always just yelling at people, 

1272
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,080
Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, he did get my 

1273
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:37,400
attention. 
Probably because, you know, he's

1274
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,400
just yelling. 
I thought was kind of funny. 

1275
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,960
But yeah, Mark Bell, who I'm 
good friends with, is doing it 

1276
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,120
and they've had each other on 
the show before and I'm not 

1277
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,640
doing the sugar diet. 
But interestingly enough, the 

1278
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,400
main mechanism of action of the 
sugar diet is because of a 

1279
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,440
hormone called FGF 21, which is 
amplified in the context of low 

1280
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,560
protein. 
So like, basically when you 

1281
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,480
reduce protein, which people are
doing by eating predominantly 

1282
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,320
just sugar, that hormone 
increase in circulation, which 

1283
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:13,200
supposedly ramps up metabolic 
rate to the tune of about 500 or

1284
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,600
600 calories. 
So I'm kind of, yeah. 

1285
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,760
And this is all kind of like 
new. 

1286
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,360
There's been a few studies done,
but you know, I'm not going to 

1287
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,440
be advocating the sugar diet for
other reasons beyond the 

1288
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,400
metabolic implications, but like
just from a health and longevity

1289
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,200
and Wellness standpoint, like I 
don't get behind it. 

1290
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,280
But I'm kind of doing the 
opposite of that with a super 

1291
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:38,240
high fat, a minimal protein 
approach to see what happens. 

1292
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,480
And I'm basically doing like a 
four to one ketogenic diet. 

1293
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:46,080
So 4G of fat for every combined 
gram of protein plus 

1294
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,120
carbohydrates. 
So my macros right now are like 

1295
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:54,040
obnoxious, man. 
They're like 425 grams of fat 

1296
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,520
and like 115 grams of protein. 
It's kind of crazy. 

1297
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,280
I don't recommend it, but I'm 
just trying to do this for an 

1298
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,280
experiment to see what happens 
and it's it's, it's interesting,

1299
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:06,240
man. 
I'm curious to see how. 

1300
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:07,840
Yeah, dude, you have to let me 
know. 

1301
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:09,920
That's super interesting, 
especially if there's. 

1302
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,560
Yeah. 
Anything with like are you 

1303
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,600
testing it in a deficit or in a 
surplus or a maintenance or do 

1304
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,920
you have any contacts? 
There I'm doing it in surplus 

1305
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:20,800
because I wanted it to be apples
for apples. 

1306
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,480
And a lot of people that are 
doing the sugar diet, they're 

1307
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,480
all doing it to like lose body 
fat, but they're their main 

1308
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,920
thing is like it's effective 
because you're able to eat to 

1309
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,080
satiety eating a lot more sugar.
So your calories are higher, but

1310
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:35,600
you're losing weight. 
That's what they're all 

1311
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,200
proposing. 
And I'm OK, well, I want to be 

1312
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,680
able to eat this society and not
worry about that. 

1313
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,360
So I'm at a pretty significant 
surplus. 

1314
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,080
Like I'm at 4200 calories right 
now, which is a lot. 

1315
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,320
And it's all coming from fat for
the most part. 

1316
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,240
So satiety is there, cognition 
there, mental clarity is there, 

1317
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:57,240
ketones are there, glucose is 
low and my weight's holding 

1318
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,080
stable at that intake whereas my
maintenance is like 3000 

1319
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,560
calories. 
So interesting to see for sure. 

1320
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,400
Yeah, Now that you don't have to
let me know because that is 

1321
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,200
super interesting of if it if, 
if there could be understanding 

1322
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,680
if it's their certain enzyme 
proteins like you were saying or

1323
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,280
if it's something to do with the
adaptation to like just I don't 

1324
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,600
know because you've been in 
ketosis probably for I don't 

1325
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,640
know how long. 
But if anything that has to do 

1326
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:27,320
with it or just because that's a
significant increase in caloric 

1327
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,440
intake to stay maintenance out. 
You'll have to let me know if 

1328
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,280
you think that it keeps 
maintaining your body weight 

1329
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,720
even with the higher intake than
what you suspect would be your 

1330
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,360
maintenance. 
Or if it starts the pendulum 

1331
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,680
where it's like it ramps up to 
offset the increased calories. 

1332
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,200
But then over time it starts to 
slow down where like you start 

1333
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,960
to see the scale start to come 
up like after a month or so, 

1334
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,680
kind of like a post show period.
If you've noticed that like just

1335
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,280
you're starting to feed and you 
can really like metabolic 

1336
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,480
flexibility is like super high 
in my opinion, where you can 

1337
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,400
start ramping things up if you 
do it controlled and then but 

1338
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,800
over time like that, I don't 
know if you've experienced this 

1339
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,120
like after a show, you get like 
huge palms. 

1340
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,400
Vascular is crazy. 
It's like it's just like pushing

1341
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,840
us the skin so much harder. 
The muscle you know get like 

1342
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,360
that shrink crap effect go 
growing out for the 1st 10. 15 

1343
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,200
lbs Invincible. 
Yeah, right. 

1344
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,760
And then all of a sudden you 
kind of start to get soft, like 

1345
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,880
it gets to a peak and then 
you're like, okay, level out. 

1346
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:30,200
And I've noticed with that, I 
feel like when I'd go to the 

1347
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,000
reverse that like the first two 
months are like super solid and 

1348
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,840
months three and four and five, 
it's like you start to deflate, 

1349
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,280
so to speak. 
And not that your performance 

1350
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,760
deflates, but like that look 
that is just so appealing is 

1351
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,200
kind of on the wayside. 
But for me, I've noticed that I 

1352
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,880
put on more body fat after my 
reverse period when I'm super 

1353
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,640
aggressive with the protein. 
So I'm not advocating people 

1354
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,760
taking low protein by any means,
but I do think protein and 

1355
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:59,640
excess could certainly be a 
contributing factor to, you 

1356
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,240
know, just unnecessary body fat 
gain. 

1357
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,200
So I'm curious to see if I can 
maintain a higher caloric intake

1358
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,640
but add a more reasonable 
protein intake with this 

1359
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,040
experiment, if I can keep that, 
you know, under wrap, so to 

1360
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,800
speak. 
So you're, that's interesting. 

1361
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,840
So you're saying when you've 
done prep like deep in the prep,

1362
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,760
right, like going into your 
show, you've noticed a 

1363
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:23,840
difference in like like the 
rebound component or like just 

1364
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,480
fat accumulation? 
If you fat accumulation post. 

1365
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:31,280
Show when your protein was 
higher. 

1366
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,400
Yeah, of course, overall 
calories are higher too. 

1367
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,680
So like obviously that's the 
main contributing factor. 

1368
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:41,120
But I feel like even when 
calories are equated, if I'm at 

1369
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,200
a much higher fat ratio relative
than the protein ratio, I tend 

1370
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,680
to put on less body fat. 
So that's been interesting to 

1371
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,400
find. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1372
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,280
Thank you for experimenting and 
controlling the. 

1373
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,040
Yeah, that's super interesting. 
Yeah, at most more people would 

1374
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:58,200
do that rather than post show. 
It's just a all hell breaks 

1375
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,080
loose, you know what I mean? 
So no, because I'm the same way.

1376
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,720
I did case study of myself, but 
I haven't competed in a long 

1377
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:06,960
time. 
But the last time I did it 

1378
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:11,760
nationals and yeah, it was it's 
wild when you do controlled and 

1379
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,120
you really mentally you can 
still hang in there, you know, 

1380
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:20,359
and just like go through it 
because I think I added like I 

1381
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:23,359
want to say, well, it isn't as 
crazy as probably your numbers 

1382
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:26,319
with what you're saying with fat
intake just bumping up total 

1383
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:28,439
calories in general. 
But I still had shred like 

1384
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,560
shredded glutes. 
Definitely 8 weeks out, eight 

1385
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,080
weeks post show. 
And then I know 12 weeks post 

1386
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,279
show is like I was holding some 
some good light even in my 

1387
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:40,279
glutes a little bit. 
But it was like that breaking 

1388
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:45,240
point where by 16 weeks I was 
like starting to kind of, you 

1389
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,040
know, deflate as you were 
saying. 

1390
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:50,279
But but yeah, if you do a 
control, man, like I think I 

1391
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:55,160
added like 3400 grams of carbs. 
So at the lowest I was like 100 

1392
01:08:55,160 --> 01:09:01,000
and I want to say 30 or 50 
somewhere in there. 

1393
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:05,560
And we never really go below 50 
for our fat unless it's 

1394
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,880
absolutely necessary. 
But that's probably 50 grams of 

1395
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,840
fat for normal days. 
I would have one refeed a week. 

1396
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:15,560
But but then yeah, I think I 
added like 3-4 hundred grams of 

1397
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,680
carbs and then like 50 or 60 
grams of fat in, in an 8 week 

1398
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,760
period. 
And it was like just ramping up 

1399
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,439
the metabolic flexibility is 
just nuts. 

1400
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,000
But you have to do it like 
controlled, because if you have 

1401
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,720
the binges, that's what screws 
it all up, you know what I mean?

1402
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,800
Yeah, yeah. 
And see, that's happened to me. 

1403
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,960
Like, I was super controlled for
like the first two or three 

1404
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,000
months. 
And then I was like, looking 

1405
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,319
great and holding steady. 
And then it's like, all right, 

1406
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:38,920
screw it. 
I'm hungry still. 

1407
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,080
I don't have a competition 
anymore. 

1408
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,800
Like, what am I doing right now?
And then, you know, it'll get 

1409
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,600
you in trouble. 
So then I'm blewing up to 200 

1410
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:46,800
lbs. 
And then I was like, I'm just 

1411
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,600
too fat at 200 lbs. 
Write it down. 

1412
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:54,160
You know, such as life. 
Listen man, I know you got all 

1413
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:55,840
kinds of things cooking today. 
I don't want to keep you too 

1414
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,280
long, but let's definitely get 
in the books to have you come 

1415
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,120
out here. 
I'd love to have you come out 

1416
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,160
for my show. 
Would love to see you in person 

1417
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,600
one way or the other for sure. 
And just keep the conversation 

1418
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:05,920
going, man. 
Yeah, I would love that. 

1419
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:10,160
I'm going to take a look at that
and then maybe we'll tell me at 

1420
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,600
a time in September. 
That would be ideal because I 

1421
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,760
know you got baby on the way, 
which you have to let me know 

1422
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,400
when he's here, but hey, let. 
Me know when you get 1 coming. 

1423
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,240
Oh, dude, yeah, Kelly said. 
I have to wait first trimester 

1424
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,200
once it if we get it through it,
then she's like you can tell 

1425
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,520
everybody I'm like, OK, cool. 
OK, OK, it's me. 

1426
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,160
Got to respect the lady's 
wishes. 

1427
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,760
Exactly. 
Well, Austin man, super excited 

1428
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,120
for you there. 
Congrats again. 

1429
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:35,880
Where do people go to find out 
more about you and dive into 

1430
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:40,640
your world? 
The plug, I think right now just

1431
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,600
the old Austin Paulson Fitness, 
it's I'm terrible at marketing, 

1432
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,280
obviously, so I have to put my 
name on my shirts, you know, so 

1433
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,040
Austin Paulson. 
Fitness.com. 

1434
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:52,600
I like it. 
I like it. 

1435
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,280
Well, sweet man, I'll link out. 
Make it easy people to find you.

1436
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,920
Keep in touch, brother. 
And there's everything I do for 

1437
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:58,760
you, man. 
You just let me know. 

1438
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:00,240
Same as you. 
Thank you.