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What's going on ladies and gents
Robert Sikes keto Savage.com and

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today I have a very special 
guest dr. 

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Robert service, I met him at the
keto Summit Omaha, and he was 

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speaking on the topic of 
carbohydrates as an addiction. 

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And I really just resonated with
every single thing. 

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He said, I appreciated his 
mindset, and Outlook towards the

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whole topic. 
And I really knew that I had to 

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get on the podcast, because I 
love diving deep into mindset. 

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And we did, we went into so much
more in that we went into parent

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to me, went to 
performance-enhancing Drugs 

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performance, reducing drugs, you
know, being athletic on a low 

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carb diets, having a healthy, 
sustainable lifestyle, living 

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the full length of a proper 
human lifespan. 

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There's just so much good 
information here. 

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I know you're going to enjoy it.
So without further Ado, sit back

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relax, learn something dr. 
Roberts Davis 

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And we're lab, dr. 
Silas, how are you today, sir? 

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Oh, great. 
Robert. 

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Thank you very much for having 
me on. 

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I'm thrilled and excited and 
honored to be here. 

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I am honored to have you sir. 
I listened to your presentation 

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at the keto Summit here in Omaha
few weeks ago and I was blown 

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away by just your approach to it
because I feel like you have a 

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very unique perspective. 
In the fact that you're talking 

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and referring to carb 
carbohydrates. 

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Take as an addiction, which I 
think we all can agree with. 

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But the way you Illustrated that
point was very, very eloquently 

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done. 
So, hats off to you on a great 

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presentation. 
Well, thank you very much. 

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And I think there's so much 
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sports people, and kind of that,
that side of things, the work 

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part that this will be a, very 
interesting conversation. 

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Both about what we do know that 
perhaps the general public is 

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not as aware of, because it's 
kind of a secret that's being 

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Without hitting up near the open
and then also certain things 

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where I can tell you that I'd 
love to have some knowledge and 

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feedback from your audience, 
beyond the Obesity side, the 

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diabetes side, the athletic 
side, the endurance side, we're 

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growing every day. 
Every single day, we're learning

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more and I would love feedback 
in terms of what results people 

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are finding and all the beauty 
about this is that the folks are

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doing what we're going to be 
talking about are incredibly 

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invested in passionate about 
this. 

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So the data comes forth, very 
Ridley. 

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And a lot of the studies that 
we're seeing, the formal studies

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that we're seeing are either 
paid for by industry looking for

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a particular endpoint or 
alternatively, there are really 

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there to support people's biases
and what I love about my 

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audience, my patience and I'm 
sure your audience as well is 

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that they are going to give us 
honest feedback and if you get a

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feedback from a variety of 
different individuals and it's 

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all kind of in the same track in
the same park way, you can 

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really Synthesized relatively 
bias, free information, that is 

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of value to people in that 
Arena. 

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So as we go through this, I'm 
not just going to be the expert.

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I'm also going to ask some 
questions and perhaps get some 

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feedback over time from folks, 
as we highlight certain 

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questions and certain things we 
just don't know. 

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Myo means I'm all for that, I'd 
love to get a little back story 

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on what made you so passionate 
about this in the first place, 

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like what brought you into this 
Arena? 

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It kind of an interesting story.
I, my background is on the 

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Pediatric surgeon and we general
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surgeons, and pediatric, 
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And as part of that, I went into
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and my PhD with done in the 
1990s on sugar in the liver. 

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And I'll confess we were so full
of misconceptions and incorrect 

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thoughts. 
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between the questions were 
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You kind of have an idea. 
Of what the answer should be. 

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And lo and behold we did studies
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prove to us exactly the 
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We thought that the look that 
livers performed poorly and 

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transplantation when they didn't
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river and lo and behold we 
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under the microscope, looking at
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We were looking at fatty liver 
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We were looking at how sugar 
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rather than helps the liver and 
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resilient powerful organ and yet
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hours by feeding it sugar. 
And that just clashed so heavily

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with our bias and it took me a 
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to understand that what we were 
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were were completely opposite 
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And then if I correlated my 
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liver with a broader subset of 
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the diabetes section, it just 
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that the issue here was actually
sugar and the injuries I saw in 

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my livers, as I studied them, 
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happen in human beings. 
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pattern of chronic excessive 
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whether it was for performance 
under the misguided carb loading

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in the misguided carb-loading 
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because carbohydrates make us 
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And we eat more and more of them
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an alcoholic drinking to the 
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And then we ignore the excess to
be the harm from the excess, the

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Obesity diabetes, hypertension, 
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We Oh, that harm to continue the
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Well, what I just described 
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addiction. 
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injury from sugar to the whole 
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toes, but we will also seeing 
the behavior patterns of people 

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adopted and it really two 
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looking for a Health Advantage 
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stream with our athletes and 
certainly to notice is the 

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quintessential Figurehead of it 
of the people that was heavily 

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invested in the science of carb,
loading, and he has, since 

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completely recanted and reverse 
that position in a very humble, 

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but powerful way. 
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criticism from the people that 
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that carbohydrates are a 
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training. 
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me, it really, we were looking 
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far, the common most ubiquitous 
reasons why people die in the 

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world will certainly in the in 
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ERA is because of the 
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excessive carbohydrate 
consumption and yet nobody dies 

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because their fact but they died
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they become fat and that's a so 
that's also a part that we've 

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been able to reconcile and as 
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practice on the surgeon, but we 
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Eating plan. 
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eating plan. 
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comfortable, a higher fat, 
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introducing intermittent 
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It doesn't fasting is not 
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intentionally, do it kind of 
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ketogenic diet if you allow 
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not hungry, right? 
That became the Paradigm before 

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the word, keto. 
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words, kind of War existed in 
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that was our program and we had 
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Atkins as a powerful resource to
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grandfather and a mentor. 
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that we built for helping people
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Well, as some of our performance
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some people that like a smoker 
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themselves, they tried and tried
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though they knew that was the 
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did well when they did it. 
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started doing bariatric surgery,
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alternative to eating correctly,
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for someone who desperately 
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Smoking industry is struggling 
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And from our bariatric surgical 
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surgeries. 
But the coolest part is the more

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we invest in our patients in 
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responsibility, for themselves 
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Ketogenic, not diet, better 
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different than diet diet, all 
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transformation is removal and 
replacement and the most solidly

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you replace the role of 
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with better healthier more. 
Endorphin, alternative, the less

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likely you are to relapse and 
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sustain. 
This is a way of life being 

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obesity and diabetes, free. 
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My patients are able to do that 
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engaged and involved in. 
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movement but as I said, we've 
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know, 20 plus years and there 
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currently making that we've 
already made incorrect in the 

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past. 
I'm not saying I'm better than 

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anybody. 
I've just been down so many. 

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Any branches of this of this 
tree and always come back to the

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trunk. 
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those things as we continue to 
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But that's my back story. 
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tens of thousands of people both
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on the on the management side. 
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of that experience to bear in 
terms of what the right things 

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are to do and what the wrong 
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But ultimately the most 
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summarize. 
This Long introduction. 

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Is that the problem with obesity
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the health side and metabolic 
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problem. 
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it's not overeating problem, 
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It is a substance abuse problem.
Carbohydrates should be in the 

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same category as crystal meth, 
crack cocaine, heroin nicotine, 

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alcohol, vaping, which is 
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The reason why they should be 
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reason we eat them. 
Is not for health, it's not for 

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nutrition, it's for pleasure, it
gets as high immediate, they've 

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given us an immediate sense of 
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gratification and then we have 
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it. 
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gratification with a price to be
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end and that's a very 
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but the other reason why 
carbohydrates are a drug is 

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because they are not necessary. 
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And therefore unlike protein and
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cyclical stopping point. 
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you drink water, you're thirsty,
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As soon as your thirst is 
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very little incentive to 
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When you're drinking alcohol, 
you have to control how much you

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going to drink because you can 
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passing out or vomiting. 
That's not, that's not your body

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telling you to stop. 
That's a toxicity. 

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So you can drink all the way to 
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You cannot do that with water. 
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because alcohol is a drug that 
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humans. 
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therefore excess is possible in 
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We do harm. 
Well, exactly. 

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The same with carbohydrates, we 
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They are not necessary for human
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first year of life, and in 
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don't need them. 
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entry. 
Intrinsic inherent biological 

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stopping point for eating 
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You can be stuffed on eating 
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or chicken and you can't eat any
more chicken or steak, but two 

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minutes later using cheesecake 
using ice cream using 

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chocolates. 
You eating chips, you can even 

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finish the mashed potatoes, 
you're not eating, you're 

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getting high. 
And if you do that on a chronic,

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excessive on, a chronic excess 
of basis and it doesn't matter 

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if you're an athlete or not. 
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athletes to carb load, even 
though it's not Done directly 

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for the mental benefit. 
Ultimately excess leads to harm 

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an excess over time causes 
obesity diabetes, heart attacks 

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Strokes hypertension, metabolic 
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causes of death information 
leads to cancer. 

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We can link The Chronic 
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carbohydrates, all those 
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And put it in the crystal meth 
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with sugar and starch, then you 
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to relinquish that, that the 
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in your life, or in fact, the 
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where it is out of control, just
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And if you realize that, oh my 
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happened because of my 
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Drake and the best to influence 
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that relationship is out of 
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control it on some diet is 
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It's like too often an alcoholic
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It's just not going to happen. 
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asking someone who's lost 
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now, type the controller 
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ludicrous. 
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approach is so effective is 
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correctly. 
In the words, the most important

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words are a well-formulated 
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One of the really doesn't give 
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we don't want to harm reduction.
We all want an addiction 

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methodology for obese and type 2
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Then if you can change that 
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the relationship by not doing it
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Then it has sustained but then 
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You cannot sustainably change 
something useful doing if you're

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not, it just doesn't work. 
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that addiction management. 
So that's been our approach and 

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refined that strategy and we 
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and we kind of take them down 
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telephonic you all over the 
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Jacksonville and in West Palm 
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to migrate away from Carb 
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players. 
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those folks to transform 
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Any time you make a change in 

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your diet as an athlete, you 
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minimize that? 
Step backwards, a step sideways 

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to gain the advantage and also 
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introduction. 
But we can take it from there. 

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No, no, I love it, I love it. 
I think, you know, there's so 

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many people that they need to 
hear these bold statements. 

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I mean, putting carbohydrates in
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cocaine is a very, very ballsy 
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what we need. 
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process that people are 
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working or proving effective. 
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personally having that shift in,
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towards the That I'm consuming 
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pretty a pivotal moment in me 
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right there with the best time I
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would binge I would over consume
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this negative feedback loop that
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disorders and all kinds of 
issues when I started looking at

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food for what it truly was and 
recognized that I could be much,

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much better off by removing that
Source, everything got better. 

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And I feel like if people View, 
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degree of severity, that's when 
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actually make an improvement. 
You're exactly right. 

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I think, let me ask you this 
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If performance-enhancing drugs 

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steroids, whatever it may be, 
were not banned substances. 

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That they were perfectly fine to
use. 

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Would you use them? 
No. 

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Okay, a lot of athletes would. 
Yes. 

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And yet, whatever Advantage, the
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we see we've seen, I mean, we 
all know people would have 

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taken, performance-enhancing 
drugs and just become beasts, 

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But ultimately, the greatest 
liability or the greatest asset 

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value doesn't come from a 
performance-enhancing drug. 

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The greatest asset value for 
most athletes is To give up what

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I call a PR d--. 
I performance reducing drug 

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especially if you're going to be
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the single greatest PRD that 
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20 years have taken to excess 
has been carbohydrates. 

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Carbohydrates, are a performance
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And getting rid of prds is 
probably far more important than

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trying to solve your training, 
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pea. 
A PEB and and yet most athletes 

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don't understand that, that 
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and reduce not only your 
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train the endpoint of human 
biology are retarded via reduced

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by the consumption of 
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excess of basis and a lot of 
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from that fatigue is a huge 
issue. 

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Wouldn't We use a big issue for 
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and then the diseases that creep
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that I be these issues, the 
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of those things, the cramping 
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it comes down to muscle 
regeneration. 

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It comes down to triage of 
protein to the right places. 

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It comes down to cutting. 
If you're, if you're a 

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bodybuilder, all those things 
matter, when you consume 

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carbohydrates as performance 
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athlete, And because athletes 
won every every single 

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performance Advantage. 
Once you understand, that 

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carbohydrates, may give you an 
initial high. 

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They make you feel good and 
perform good for a short period 

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of time but somewhere a price 
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massive on the back end. 
The flip side is to put the 

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effort in up front and get the 
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that's a far far more effective 
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PR. 
These are ubiquitous you used by

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athletes And they reduce 
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I've been preaching that very 
message for the past five years 

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that I've been key to adapted 
and I've been following this 

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diet strictly. 
But that, I mean, I've literally

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been beaten into everybody's 
ears that I can get ahold of, 

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but nobody wants to believe that
because I think a lot of it is 

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just, you know, people that are 
athletic people that are they 

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have the the performance they 
have the look, they're able to 

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eat, copious amounts of 
carbohydrates and not look 

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overweight. 
But they have this, you know, 

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Veil over them. 
So to speak that people just 

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assume they can do no wrong. 
Oh, it's working for them. 

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I mean, they put them on the 
cereal boxes to motivate people 

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to eat more carbs to look like 
this individual. 

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But when you stop and look at 
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mean, even within the ketogenic 
Community. 

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I mean, I've got so many people 
saying that my performance would

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improve if I was to incorporate 
a cyclical style, ketogenic 

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diet, or a targeted style 
ketogenic diet. 

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Because, you know, there's 
certain studies that illustrate,

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that may be the case. 
But I've argued and will 

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continue to argue that by 
allowing yourself to become 

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Truly Deeply adapted over a long
period of time. 

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This doesn't happen overnight, 
but just continually day in day 

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out, following this protocol and
sticking with it and staying 

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true to it. 
Your performance is going to be 

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far and above anything that you 
could be achieved through some 

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momentary high, from a cyclical,
or targeted, or carb load. 

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I think you're absolutely right.
And how long have you been been 

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active? 
Professional. 

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How long have you been on stage 
and psychically working yourself

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up for a competition? 
How many competitions over how 

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many years have been competing? 
I started training that 10 years

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ago. 
My first competition was in 2012

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and I went pro in 2017. 
And when would you like your 

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last competition to be a planet?
Be honest. 

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I don't mean I'm gonna be dead 
sixty eighty, seven years old, 

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that's what I thought. 
But right. 

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And and that is extremely 
unlikely. 

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Extremely unlikely. 
If you were, chronic consumer of

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carbohydrate chronically on at 
least are psychically or not. 

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Because if you think of the 
ketogenic lifestyle, I put a 

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post on my Instagram few little 
couple of days ago about this. 

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Is that Studies gets done in 
rats. 

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And this, this was on stage, a 
couple of couple of days ago, 

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study gets done in rats and they
looked at Rats on standard 

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American diet and rats on the 
ketogenic diet and they found 

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that the rats on the ketogenic 
diet. 

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Or this is the statement. 
They said rats on the ketogenic 

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diet live much longer 
significantly longer than Rats 

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on the standard standard 
American diet. 

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And that was the conclusion. 
Is that a correct conclusion? 

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It sounds like the if the pay if
the paper said we feed these 

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Rats from birth to death, we fed
them one group on a standard 

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American diet. 109 a ketogenic 
diet and the Rats on the 

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ketogenic glad I've lived much 
longer. 

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Is that a good conclusion for 
that paper And I mean I'm not a 

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rat but I'll definitely take 
that over the carb approach. 

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No. 
OK, so let's flip this around 

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and I didn't I you know, 
announce that question. 

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Most people don't. 
Don't get it. 

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Like I heard it and I'm not 
better than anybody else. 

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This is just my world. 
That is a completely garbage 

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statement. 
Here's the way, the statement 

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should go. 
Is that rests on the ketogenic 

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diet lived, a normal life, span 
Rats on the standard American 

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diet, died at a younger age than
they should have? 

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I like that. 
You see the difference? 

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Totally? 
Okay, so 87. 

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You should still be competing 
short of non-comedogenic disease

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because you are maximizing your 
omnivorous human potential 

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people that called load, or use 
forms of the standard American 

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diet. 
May perform well, one 

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competition over another But 
ultimately, the longevity, the 

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disease and we know this 
categorically is going to 

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shorten both their whole life. 
If and their performance left 

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side, now other smokers that 
live to 99 and are still 

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smoking. 
Of course, you're always going 

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to find an anecdote, but, but 
statistically you are shortening

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your performance life and your 
real life, if you are cycling 

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through carbohydrates, and I 
will go toe-to-toe with anybody 

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on that fact. 
So that rat study actually 

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showed that the ketogenic diet 
is normal. 

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And people on the standard 
American diet or racks on the 

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standard American diet are dying
earlier and and the problem with

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it, With a lot of even the PV 
Evangelical people in the 

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supported ketogenic way of life.
We don't understand that. 

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We're look at all the illnesses,
but we've got to understand is 

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that the ketogenic diet is the 
healthiest diet out that, it 

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keeps us healthy. 
And but all the other diseases 

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that we're dealing with the 
diabetes obesity, all of Fallout

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are really aberrations or moves 
away from the healthiest diet 

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for human beings. 
And every really have to flip 

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our thinking in that regard. 
But is that does that make some 

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sense to you? 
Absolutely. 

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I'm just amazed at how people 
can can hear This research know 

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that it exists and still sway 
the opposite direction. 

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I know that it is the because 
the addiction but it just it 

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never ceases to amaze me where 
people place their priorities. 

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I mean, I am very much so on the
the side of a strict ketogenic, 

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like, this is my lifestyle. 
I don't I don't dip my toe in 

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the water. 
I'm all in or all out and I'm 

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all in like I don't Aunt, I 
don't play around with with the 

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line because there's no need to 
cross that line. 

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I don't feel like I'm 
sacrificing anything by 

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following the strict Keygen 
protocol. 

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However, I can understand that 
there are certain people that 

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would like to incorporate, you 
know, certain occasional foods 

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every once in a while, like some
type of sentimental value food 

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which in the first place, I 
don't ever think it makes that 

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much since to put such a 
emotional weight in any type of 

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food. 
But that another Point entirely,

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when you look at people, Is a 
crucial point, and I kind of 

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alluded to this little world 
while ago. 

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Would you ever use heroin heroin
and no plan on it? 

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But why would you not use 
heroin? 

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00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,800
Because I don't, I don't desire.
I don't feel like I'm missing 

456
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,400
something in my life, there's no
hole that I need to fill by 

457
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:32,300
desensitizing myself. 
Well, a lot of people won't use 

458
00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:35,100
heroin because they're afraid of
dying of the heroin killing 

459
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:37,500
them. 
That is also this incredibly 

460
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:40,600
powerful instant high that you 
get from heroin, that's what 

461
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,800
addicts people But people, like 
you and me are never going to go

462
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,000
there because of the risk Ryan. 
However people that use heroin 

463
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,400
are completely ignorant to the 
risk. 

464
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,500
So they are immune to risk, all 
they're looking for is the 

465
00:25:56,500 --> 00:26:00,300
instant high and very willing to
roll up their sleeve inject 

466
00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:04,600
heroin into their veins even if 
the risk is turning blue and 

467
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,100
dying, okay? 
Now that's a it's a very harsh 

468
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:11,000
example, but what you just said 
is exactly the same thing is 

469
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,300
that people A willing to consume
carbohydrates for what they 

470
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:18,700
believe to be the instant 
satisfaction, not just the 

471
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,900
mental high, but the instant 
performance gratification, they 

472
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:27,000
wanted they wanted right now and
they don't they're immune to the

473
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,600
consequences or the Fallout down
the road. 

474
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,800
Where's you are? 
Taking a longer term view at 

475
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,200
this, which is the right way to 
go. 

476
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:38,000
You know, if you don't perform, 
so great in this performance is 

477
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,600
going to be another one and 
you're going to do better the 

478
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,500
next time. 
These guys are devil. 

479
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,500
Look down the road. 
They looking right now, what 

480
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:48,300
what can maximize my performance
right now and if I have to pay 

481
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:51,800
for a price for it on the back 
end, so be it because they are 

482
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,500
very good at ignoring that 
price. 

483
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,800
You're looking at this long-term
strategically and that's to my 

484
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,500
mind, the healthiest, cook best 
way to look at it. 

485
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,400
People that are using these 
drugs are either ignorant to it 

486
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:05,600
were using it. 
Not believe that, the ignorance 

487
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,600
cannot be an argument anymore, 
they're using it because they're

488
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,500
willing to ignore the 
consequences on the back. 

489
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:17,200
And to have the front end 
gratification and the positivity

490
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,400
from the front end, just like it
no different than a heroin 

491
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,600
addict who shoot up now for the 
high and if something bad 

492
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,300
happens on the back end, so be 
it. 

493
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,100
And I'm not being nasty to those
folks, that is the reality of 

494
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:31,700
the decision-making. 
And you've chosen not to take 

495
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:35,000
that risk both of her and, and 
with carbohydrates, and I 

496
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,900
commend you for that. 
And I just hope that more and 

497
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:41,700
more people understand. 
But this is about not only They 

498
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:45,200
but also tomorrow and if you're 
going to have today and tomorrow

499
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,900
isn't that better either? 
I certainly think. 

500
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:51,200
So I'm curious to get your take 
on this because I'm I've come to

501
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,200
find that. 
I'm just a contrarian on this 

502
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,400
subject because I am much more 
excited about the long game. 

503
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,700
I'm always preaching about the 
long game like that's how I run 

504
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:03,500
my business, that's how I, you 
know, structure my nutrition my 

505
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:06,400
training. 
Like I don't care about tomorrow

506
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,900
at the expense of ten years from
now. 

507
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,500
Like I'm trying to be the best 
for the Long Haul. 

508
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:16,700
Why is it that you think people 
are so hung up on this concept 

509
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:19,300
of instant gratification like 
from a deep-rooted psychological

510
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:21,300
standpoint? 
Why do you think that is the 

511
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:24,000
case? 
You know, it's interesting 

512
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,800
because I thought it's a very 
good question. 

513
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:28,400
Let's look, I'm going to use an 
analogy here. 

514
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:31,700
Let's look at a guy who gets 
into the ring for a fight. 

515
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,100
There's two type. 
Let's say everybody's pretty 

516
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:38,200
good at fire at boxing but the 
guy that the two guys that go 

517
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,700
into the ring and these are two 
professional boxes. 

518
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,800
The first guy gets into the ring
and he's highly emotional, he's 

519
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,100
all pumped up and he's totally 
psyched up and he's adrenaline's

520
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:50,900
running and he's just crossing 
adrenaline through his veins and

521
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:53,100
he's pumped. 
He's practiced He's 50, he's a 

522
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:54,900
good boxer, and he gets in 
there. 

523
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:57,900
He just goes ballistic for a 
little while because he's 

524
00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:04,300
running on emotion, but he's 
ignorant to the technique to the

525
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:08,400
strategy, his functioning of 
instinct, and his emotions are 

526
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,800
driving his Instinct and if he 
gets a knock off, having the 

527
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,000
first round, he's a winner. 
Fantastic. 

528
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:18,900
But what happens if he doesn't 
get a knock out a KO in the 

529
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:21,800
first or the second round. 
Now we're getting to the third 

530
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,300
and fourth, from the It's round 
and these emotions are 

531
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:27,600
subsiding. 
And now it's all about long-term

532
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,500
planning. 
It's about technique. 

533
00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:34,500
It's about thinking, how am I 
going to hit this guy and 

534
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:37,000
analyzing what what his opponent
is? 

535
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,700
Where the strengths are where 
the weaknesses are? 

536
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:40,100
And you can stay away from me 
strength. 

537
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,900
Here's his weaknesses that may 
exploit, that that is now 

538
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:46,200
thinking about intelligent 
intellectually. 

539
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:52,200
And in a non emotive way about 
how to win the fight and ensure 

540
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,700
the Emotional boxes. 
Come out there, there my life 

541
00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:57,400
people in the first round or 
two, but those are the guys who 

542
00:29:57,408 --> 00:30:00,700
have very short careers because 
if the other guys able to get 

543
00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:04,000
through the first two rounds, 
now, it's the long game and it's

544
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,800
the intellectual game and it's 
the issue-driven, how do I win 

545
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,100
this fight with my skills game, 
not the emotion game, and the 

546
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:13,600
other guy gets in the ring and 
he says, okay, this guy's wired 

547
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,700
up, he's all over the place, but
did he watch him let live? 

548
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:20,700
And he's a thinker and he's the 
guy that gets in. 

549
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,700
He's got great skills, great. 
But his emotions are very 

550
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:26,700
tightly in check because this is
his job. 

551
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:31,200
This is his business and he goes
about the fight bobbing and 

552
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,000
weaving, and analyzing the 
strengths and weaknesses of his 

553
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000
opponent. 
And the other opponent is coming

554
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,900
with a flurry of Haymakers in 
the first round. 

555
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,200
And if you can do that, if you 
can Bob and weave and miss those

556
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,900
round, two round three round, 
four round five, all the way 

557
00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:50,400
through, to round 10, he wins 
every round because he's 

558
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:56,800
thinking and is not firing off. 
Emotion that defines you as the 

559
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,700
thinking guy who trains hard to 
practice really hard but you 

560
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:04,300
come at the at this, with an 
intellectual intelligent game 

561
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:06,000
plan. 
There are other guys that 

562
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,600
direction to the gym that have 
iron like crazy. 

563
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,300
They willing to take a bunch of 
drugs. 

564
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,200
They need that instant 
gratification very want to win 

565
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,500
round one. 
They want to be the biggest best

566
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,300
in the first competition. 
They get into, where are they? 

567
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:20,100
In the second, third and fourth 
competitions. 

568
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:23,700
They're injured that in train 
hard enough. 

569
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:26,500
They don't feel it anymore. 
They're disappointed by the 

570
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:29,900
result that puff gone, but make 
some sense to you. 

571
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:32,800
Yes, absolutely. 
I feel like we've in maybe I'm 

572
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,800
totally wrong in thinking this, 
but I feel like lately like over

573
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,500
like in my lifetime, you know, 
I'm 28 years old. 

574
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,100
So like I feel like my lifetime.
My generation is like, at the 

575
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:46,700
peak of this. 
I feel like the, the, the rise 

576
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:50,500
of just instant gratification 
and playing the short game, is 

577
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:53,300
that it Time high right now but 
I don't know why I like from a, 

578
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:58,700
like a generational standpoint. 
I don't know why or when this 

579
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:03,700
shift occurred, but, you know, I
look back and I'm pretty well 

580
00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:07,600
read on like, old old Scholars. 
And I feel like everybody, you 

581
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,800
know, 200 years ago. 
They valued the long game, much 

582
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,600
more so than you're seeing these
days. 

583
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,700
Like, people would be excited 
about becoming a master of a 

584
00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:19,500
craft like they would, they 
would work at that craft 

585
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,300
tirelessly day in Day Out. 
A out until they are the world's

586
00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:25,600
greatest at that thing. 
Whereas now you don't see very 

587
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,600
many people holding, you know 
they're their attention towards 

588
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,400
any one thing for longer than a 
week or two. 

589
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:33,700
I'd rather bet is the heart of 
what we do. 

590
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:39,700
That's called emotion management
and ultimately the root cause of

591
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,500
obesity of burn. 
Out of all, those things is how 

592
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:47,600
we were raised and what skills 
and what diversity we've 

593
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,900
developed to deal with our 
emotional needs. 

594
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:52,900
So if Me ask you this question. 
What do you do for pleasure? 

595
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:55,600
What do you do for fun and build
businesses? 

596
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,300
What else? 
That and bodybuilding. 

597
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:03,100
I'm a big hunter. 
I'm an outdoors and I love being

598
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:06,900
outside and being in nature. 
Why didn't you tell me that? 

599
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:09,400
The first answer should have 
been you love to train, but it 

600
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,400
wasn't. 
And the reason is because 

601
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,700
training and performance is your
job. 

602
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,300
And I'm not going. 
I'm looking at a picture of you 

603
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:19,100
right now, in a pose. 
And I'm asleep. 

604
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:24,500
You clearly are Don good in your
job that you job as hard as you 

605
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:26,100
work at it. 
And, and this is true for 

606
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:30,400
anybody not just a body builder 
or a lift or athlete. 

607
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:35,300
This is true in my job. 
When we invest a lot of effort 

608
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,000
into our work and, and we 
really, when it comes to 

609
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,200
productivity Excellence 
Perfection, top of the game is 

610
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,800
what we strive for, but, It's 
hard work and the byproduct of 

611
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,800
that hard work is anxiety, 
stress, depression, anger, fear,

612
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,900
frustration, boredom, pleasure. 
All of the emotional Spectrum 

613
00:33:54,908 --> 00:33:57,900
together. 
I call that emotional tension. 

614
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:00,600
It's a little bit like when you 
drive your car and you drive 

615
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,500
your car hard and fast cause 
performance being productive, 

616
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:06,900
but the byproduct of that cause 
engine is heat. 

617
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:10,000
And if you look under the hood 
of your car, you've got the 

618
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,900
bigger the engine, the more 
effective and the bigger the In 

619
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:19,000
system is because in order to 
keep the engine productive, you 

620
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,500
have to have a healthy cooling 
system and for you and for me, 

621
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:26,400
we train hard, we work hard, 
that's our job, but the 

622
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,300
byproduct is that emotional 
tension and then we've got a 

623
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,000
variety of things. 
And here's the quintessential 

624
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:38,400
statement that we do to offload 
that emotional, man, that, that 

625
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,500
emotional tension. 
And when we do things for 

626
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:45,500
endorphin relief, for that 
serotonin, Loading for that. 

627
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:48,699
Just that relaxation, we have to
put a little bit of effort in 

628
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:51,500
what we do. 
You go hunting, that requires 

629
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:53,900
effort up front, you got to load
up your gear, you got to go for 

630
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:58,800
a walk in the woods and then you
place a you shoot a deer but 

631
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,400
it's taken a lot of effort to 
get to that point and the reward

632
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,400
is on the back, end of the 
effort and you feel great on the

633
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,200
other side. 
If you had a rough day and you 

634
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,000
come home and you down a bottle 
of Jack Daniels or you, as soon 

635
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,100
as you walk through the door, 
you open a tub of Screaming you 

636
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:16,700
eat it. 
You're getting instant 

637
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:19,700
gratification. 
But on the back end of that 

638
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:24,100
instant gratification is 
negativity harm guilt and 

639
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:28,200
repression of some of the issues
that are driving your emotions 

640
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,500
while you're walking through the
woods, chasing the deer or 

641
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:34,900
hunting, the deer, your brain 
can kind of go into a little bit

642
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:38,800
of a meditative space because 
the effort requires some time. 

643
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,500
And why are you walking in the 
woods? 

644
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:42,200
You're hunting, you looking for 
the buck. 

645
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:48,000
But you also Acting with and 
processing certain issues with 

646
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,300
your life. 
It might be your business. 

647
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:53,100
It might be your next training 
session you resolving issues. 

648
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:55,400
It might be a fight with your 
wife or your girlfriend or 

649
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,700
whatever, how do you resolve 
some of that stuff? 

650
00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:00,000
So by the time you come out of 
the woods, you feeling pumped 

651
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,100
because you either got the got 
the beer, you had a lot of fun 

652
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:06,500
out there so you feeling great. 
The physical activity is relaxed

653
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:09,700
you and you're proud of what 
you've done, but you've also got

654
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:12,600
a game plan for dealing with 
certain issues in your life. 

655
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:17,100
If you are living on the 
emotional edge of a substance or

656
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:20,300
a Babel, if you go to Vegas, you
gamble and you win or you lose, 

657
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,400
those are all forms of instant 
gratification with a price on 

658
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,300
the back end, but because 
there's no meditative time 

659
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:31,400
component, you're not solving 
and connecting with the issues 

660
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,500
in your life, you're repressing 
them and more, and more we get 

661
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,000
Disturbed and more and more. 
We build up all this emotional 

662
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,300
tension and more and more. 
We look for the highs of instant

663
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:46,800
gratification to Repress those 
tensions in those issues that we

664
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,400
don't want to deal with and it's
extremely erosive to our 

665
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,600
self-esteem and to our 
self-confidence, if you look at 

666
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,300
a lot of the athletes with you 
perform, again, there's going to

667
00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:58,500
be the people like you whose 
career it is. 

668
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,500
And then the other the other 
guys that have extremely 

669
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:06,900
fragile, self-esteem and self 
self confidence, it all pumped 

670
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:09,600
up, they've worked really hard, 
but they're totally emotional. 

671
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:13,800
And they get on stage and and if
they don't win, There's so 

672
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,600
deflated that they walk away 
from the game because they've 

673
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,800
looked for the instant high. 
But they haven't invested the 

674
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,900
effort and found the ruled on 
the back end. 

675
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,400
They're looking for the 
immediate High upfront and 

676
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,200
they've got no way to process 
their emotional needs. 

677
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,600
And in fact, people and I, by 
the way, when I quit my sport, I

678
00:37:31,607 --> 00:37:35,500
gained a bunch of weight because
I went from using sport as my 

679
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,600
emotion management system to 
carbohydrates. 

680
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,800
So always in the background but 
never prevalent. 

681
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,100
So we were looking for that. 
Instant ratification. 

682
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:48,000
And over time, the excessive use
of an instant gratifying pathway

683
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,200
leads, not only to the harm from
the drug, but also to repression

684
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,600
of dealing with issues in your 
life. 

685
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,300
So you become a less effective 
human being, and that is 

686
00:37:59,300 --> 00:38:02,600
incredibly erosive to your 
self-esteem and your 

687
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,200
self-confidence. 
So now if you can't generate 

688
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,800
emotional well-being from 
within, you have to turn 

689
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,700
externally to more and more 
drugs, and more and more risky 

690
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:16,200
behaviors to You that same high 
and eventually the whole show 

691
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,600
collapses down, it implodes on 
you and that's addiction. 

692
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:25,400
And how where do you learn 
effective effort and time based 

693
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,100
emotion. 
Management strategies. 

694
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:30,600
We learn it first and foremost 
from our parents. 

695
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:35,500
And the effective endorphin or 
endorphin Alternatives or the 

696
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,000
emotional judgment, strategies 
are physical activity, create a 

697
00:38:39,008 --> 00:38:43,200
box, spirituality meditation, 
and empathetic human connection.

698
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,100
Now, if you look at younger 
kids, that's happening less and 

699
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:51,000
less as our parents focus on 
productivity. 

700
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,700
In other words, if Little Johnny
of four years age or Julie says,

701
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:56,700
hey Mom, I really want to play 
soccer. 

702
00:38:56,700 --> 00:39:00,400
The first thing we do is we put 
them on the soccer team and they

703
00:39:00,408 --> 00:39:02,900
go to training and they Play 
hard and they're either good or 

704
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:04,400
bad. 
They sitting on the bench if 

705
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,700
they win, they feel great. 
If they lose, they feel 

706
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:09,300
terrible. 
You basically turn this 

707
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:13,100
wonderful endorphin experience 
called physical activity into a 

708
00:39:13,107 --> 00:39:18,700
Dharma as test and guess what, 
the avian lose physical activity

709
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,500
as a source of emotional 
management. 

710
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,200
Or if Little Johnny or little 
Jilly draws, a painting and and 

711
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,300
sit there. 
And painted comes look mom, look

712
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:29,800
Dad, I've drawn this painting 
and you say, oh, that's 

713
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,100
fabulous. 
You going to be the next 

714
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:32,800
Picasso. 
It's brilliantly. 

715
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,300
Put on the fridge. 
What you've done is, you praise 

716
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:39,700
the Excellence. 
You haven't connected your child

717
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:43,900
to the effort of the painting. 
The right answer is, hey, that 

718
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:47,100
looks great. 
I bet you had a lot of fun 

719
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:50,200
drawing that, because the 
problem is, when Giglio Johnny 

720
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,300
thinks, they're excellent. 
Now that it is school in, they 

721
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:55,000
go to art class and they paint 
and they expect the same 

722
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,500
response from the art teacher, 
and the art teacher looks at 

723
00:39:57,500 --> 00:40:00,700
that and says man, did your dog 
show up on the piece of paper or

724
00:40:01,300 --> 00:40:02,700
what? 
Exactly happened and you've 

725
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:07,100
completely deflated them because
their entire emotional situation

726
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,700
is tied into the result, not the
pleasure from the effort and 

727
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:16,300
they lose that creative art as a
source of emotion management. 

728
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:19,600
If you're the authoritarian 
parent and always raising the 

729
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:24,300
bar on whatever your kid did, 
there's no empathy and if a 

730
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:28,700
child doesn't develop empathy as
the primary site of human 

731
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:31,500
connection, then they'll become 
either. 

732
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:35,800
This aggressive or passive. 
What you want to do is to have 

733
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,800
an assertive child one, who can 
State their case. 

734
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,400
But he's willing to listen to 
reason and willing to explore 

735
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,800
things and work things out. 
Help, use human connection to 

736
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,800
process issues. 
If you take your child at 45 

737
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,700
years of age, and you stick them
in Sunday school. 

738
00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:54,800
You stick them in religious 
school at a church. 

739
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,200
And after supplied be listening 
to somebody, talking at them for

740
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,000
an hour or two every Sunday, 
they learn to dislike Like or 

741
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,500
recore never connect with 
religion. 

742
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,900
The right way to do it is to 
teach your child, how to use a 

743
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:12,600
connection with a higher power 
to sort through stuff in their 

744
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,100
lives. 
And we're doing that, less and 

745
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:18,600
less and less in the electronic 
era, in the productive era to 

746
00:41:18,607 --> 00:41:22,300
these kids develop an absence of
emotion management. 

747
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:26,700
And for the first time in human 
history, we are now feeding our 

748
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:34,400
kids, a highly mural active 
incredibly To toxic drug before.

749
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,400
The children weren't even born. 
It's called imprinting. 

750
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:41,700
So, when moms pregnant, and she 
had a rough day and she wept on 

751
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:45,200
a cup of ice cream. 
And some Eminem's be hormonal 

752
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,500
milieu in that baby is creating 
exactly the same. 

753
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:52,300
At first, the catecholamines, 
the adrenaline, everything else 

754
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,800
are stressing that baby out just
like Mom's dress and then she 

755
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,200
eats the tub of ice cream. 
A blood sugar screams through 

756
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,700
the roofer instruments going 
through the roof that crosses 

757
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:03,300
the placenta. 
Ah, and the mom relaxes instant 

758
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:07,000
gratification, guess what? 
That is imprinted that fetus to 

759
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,500
connect with sugar and starch, 
even before that baby's born. 

760
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:13,100
Now, the baby's born and Mom 
can't breastfeed. 

761
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,600
What is she feeding the baby? 
The formula. 

762
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,000
It's called a baby milk. 
Shake it is a high carbohydrate 

763
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:25,700
low fat mmm, irrelevant protein 
milk shake And and that baby 

764
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:29,100
before it even knows it's human 
has connected with sugar and 

765
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:32,800
starch as a way of life, as a 
way of emotion management 

766
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:34,700
babies. 
Crying mom plugs in a bottle of 

767
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:38,200
milk shape, battle are older and
the kid gets to be a toddler. 

768
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,300
What are we calling it? 
We're calling a treat. 

769
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:43,800
We're giving a child, crystal 
meth As a treat. 

770
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,900
I want to say I agree. 
I just know that my mind when I 

771
00:42:48,908 --> 00:42:50,600
talk about this. 
No, I totally. 

772
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,800
I'm on the same page. 
I don't have kids yet, but I 

773
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,800
look at what you're saying and 
like, how I would foresee myself

774
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,500
raising children? 
It's, I mean, I think you're 

775
00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:00,400
hitting the nail on the head. 
I would there's been several 

776
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,900
people that argue that the 
Obesity epidemic is a result of,

777
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:06,600
you know, hormonal imbalances. 
Some people say it's all 

778
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,000
caloric. 
You know, you're not exercising 

779
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,400
enough and you're eating too 
much all about calories and 

780
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,200
energy expenditure the color of 
the best Coke. 

781
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,100
Amazing job with that, it 
sounds, it sounds like you were 

782
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:21,900
arguing and I am tending to 
agree with you right now, that 

783
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:26,100
the reason we're in an obesity 
epidemic on a grand scale, if 

784
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:29,700
you dive deep is more likely 
than anything a result of bad 

785
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:33,000
parenting. 
Well, I think I wouldn't, I 

786
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,400
don't like the word bad because 
nobody teaches a parent how to 

787
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,100
parent, right? 
Right. 

788
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:41,300
Just you know and and addiction 
the vulnerability of addictive 

789
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:44,000
behavior gets past generation to
generation. 

790
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,700
It's not genetic but we get 
raised a certain way. 

791
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,700
Even our parents are doing the 
best they can and they do the 

792
00:43:49,707 --> 00:43:51,900
best, they can give them the 
tools they have, but all the 

793
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:54,100
tools they have is how they were
raised. 

794
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,400
So we raise our kids a certain 
way and we want all kids to be 

795
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,100
successful, we want them to be 
productive, but we don't 

796
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:03,000
understand the You have a 
healthy diverse cooling system, 

797
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,100
so we write we get ready to 
certain way. 

798
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:07,400
We become that person. 
We raise our own kids the same 

799
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,500
way and it repeats generation. 
So if you look back at our 

800
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:13,100
parents, a lot of them were 
smokers because smoking was the 

801
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:16,000
prevalent drug in the 1950s and 
60s. 

802
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:19,900
And perhaps, their parents were 
alcoholics, who had were heavy 

803
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:22,600
drinkers. 
Because 120 years ago, we had 

804
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,100
prohibition for a reason because
Americans are drinking and let 

805
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:27,500
me Circle back to. 
This is a very important point 

806
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:30,700
this whole garbage about 
physical activity. 

807
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,400
How how much exercise should 
somebody do when they're trying 

808
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,600
to quit smoking? 
How much I should try? 

809
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,400
Quit smoking. 
I mean you could do no exercise 

810
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:41,500
correctly, right? 
And when you're trying to lose 

811
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:45,100
weight and I know this flies in 
the face of what everyone's is, 

812
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:50,500
it is unnecessary, it is not 
necessary to do exercise. 

813
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:55,300
So this whole concept of 
calories in calories out came 

814
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:59,900
from Coca-Cola in the 60s and 
70s, particularly the 1970s Coke

815
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:02,700
in the soda industry would be 
blamed for obesity. 

816
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,100
You got all these calories in 
your in your dreams. 

817
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:08,100
All this sugar in your drinks 
and that's causing obesity and 

818
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:12,500
diabetes and Coke said oh no, no
no, it's not the sugar not 

819
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:14,700
drinks. 
It's just an American to become 

820
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:19,700
fat lazy slugs and Coca-Cola 
invested in a very some, these 

821
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:22,700
guys were brilliant. 
They invested billions of 

822
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:27,100
dollars in what they called, the
move more campaign and they told

823
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:30,900
Americans you guys are fat and 
lazy, you need to move more. 

824
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,100
And if you can drink our drinks,
as long as your exercise, you 

825
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:36,500
won't get fat. 
That's like telling a smoker to 

826
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:39,000
smoke three cigarettes and go 
for a run to breathe out the 

827
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,100
nicotine, but Coke was 
incredibly good at this. 

828
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,000
And they sponsored sporting 
events and even today, if you 

829
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,700
look, the majority of sporting 
events are are sponsored by 

830
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:52,900
manufacturers of drugs, sugary 
drugs and perhaps alcohol. 

831
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:56,800
So a simple little reason, why 
Coke was completely wrong. 

832
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,600
And just a couple of weeks ago 
with Martin Luther King day and 

833
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,400
I happened to see a number of 
people marching in the Martin 

834
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,200
Luther King parade in the 1960s 
and The majority of the men 

835
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,900
would he send black ties and 
they looked like their ties, 

836
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:12,500
they were skinny black minutes. 
Not because they were 

837
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:15,400
impoverished to poor or didn't 
have access to food. 

838
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:18,400
Everybody in the marches were 
skinny, they went outside people

839
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,700
and then I looked at one of my 
favorite time of that era coming

840
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,900
kind of coming to to adulthood 
Ira's with the Woodstock era. 

841
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,600
You look at pictures of 
Woodstock, everyone's got their 

842
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,900
shirts off. 
Every kid is skinny and they 

843
00:46:31,908 --> 00:46:34,300
will get six packs. 
I can assure you. 

844
00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:37,400
They were too busy doing doing 
LSD to ever to ever be 

845
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,600
exercising. 
Those kids didn't get their six 

846
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,400
packs from exercising. 
They just didn't have all this 

847
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,600
lard the came from sugar and 
starch in the subsequent 

848
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,000
generation covering their six 
pack. 

849
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,300
That's expect is there we human?
It's there. 

850
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:53,800
It may not be a stick in as 
beautiful as yours, but the six 

851
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,500
pack is still there. 
Okay, you can enhance it but 

852
00:46:56,500 --> 00:47:00,300
even if you do very little 
physical activity, it's about 

853
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:03,900
the carbohydrate. 
So the role of physical activity

854
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,500
in addiction, man. 
Mix is not to burn off the 

855
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:10,300
calories, they are toxic when 
they go in your face. 

856
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:15,300
But physical activity is one of 
the four cornerstones of healthy

857
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:18,800
effective, emotion management. 
And yes, it's got subsidiary 

858
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,900
benefits of muscular Health, 
longevity Mobility, those types 

859
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:27,100
of things, but it is not 
necessary to exercise to lose 

860
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:30,400
weight. 
And that's an important read. 

861
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,700
This connection, that we have to
make after Coca-Cola, made that 

862
00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:35,500
connection. 
And I know that flies the face 

863
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:39,300
of a lot of athletes, but I'm 
not saying don't exercise, but 

864
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:43,800
use exercise as part of your 
image of your of rebuilding, 

865
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,800
your emotion management system, 
not to lose weight, not to burn 

866
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,200
off calories because then you 
become a fact. 

867
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,700
I like, I was okay, I'm 300 
pounds and I was and I go for a 

868
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:57,200
run on a treadmill. 
Well, I feel like crap when I'm 

869
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,700
running because I'm basically 
dragging another body with me, 

870
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:04,600
but at the end of my little job,
the machine says, about 2,000 

871
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,800
calories, But I feel awful. 
And if I screams only 50 

872
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,700
calories, it's going to make me 
feel better. 

873
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,900
How the devil is that going to 
work? 

874
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:15,500
Okay, calories in calories out, 
and I'm still down eight 

875
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:18,000
hundred. 
Nine hundred fifty calories, but

876
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:23,000
I'm still fat know the physical 
activity replaces at an 

877
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,700
endorphin level at a relaxation 
level. 

878
00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:29,700
At an emotion management level. 
The role of instant 

879
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:32,200
gratification from the 
consumption of carbohydrates, is

880
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,000
a drug I totally agree. 
It's funny. 

881
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,500
I look at I look at my father, 
you know, you're talking to him 

882
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:41,600
and I'm thinking of my dad 
because he is not overweight at 

883
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,000
all. 
He does not give a damn about 

884
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,200
exercise. 
I don't think he's ever picked 

885
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,200
up a dumbbell in his life, but 
he eats. 

886
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,000
I mean, he'll eat carbohydrates 
every once in a while but the 

887
00:48:51,008 --> 00:48:52,800
vast majority of his food is 
just quality food. 

888
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,600
Like we raise our own lamb. 
You know he eats a lot of deer 

889
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,000
that he hunts. 
I mean he eats quality food 

890
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,200
heavy and animal-based proteins 
and vegetables that he grows. 

891
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:06,800
He's in the garden and he has 
like he's a, he's a PhD 

892
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,700
professor of biology. 
He's a master at his craft 

893
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:13,300
there, but he also sales like 
his thing right now is sailing. 

894
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:18,100
He's huge into like sailing, and
that's his emotional, disconnect

895
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:22,300
his relaxation and meditation. 
And he doesn't, he's not, you 

896
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:25,900
know, any health issues, any 
health concerns whatsoever and 

897
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:28,500
he eats decent food doesn't 
exercise. 

898
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:31,400
And I feel like a lot of people 
can resonate more with that than

899
00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:32,400
me. 
It's weird. 

900
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,800
Like I say, say you don't have 
to exercise with people just 

901
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,900
assume that I'm lying to him 
because I'm a bodybuilder 

902
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:39,700
normally fit the description but
like my father farthest thing 

903
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:42,500
from a bodybuilder but a very 
healthy individual and I feel 

904
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:46,400
like that is so much more 
obtainable and within grasp than

905
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,300
people give it credit for but 
it's like they don't want to 

906
00:49:49,308 --> 00:49:51,700
open their eyes to the fact that
it is an addiction they're 

907
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:54,800
dealing with You're exactly 
right now, Robert. 

908
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,000
You are so, so fortunate. 
I hope pretty much every evening

909
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,400
you, if you are spiritually, you
say a little prayer and say, 

910
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,300
thank you for giving me the 
granting me, the parents that 

911
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:11,200
raised me because it sounds like
your father is a very 

912
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,800
authoritative person. 
What do I mean by authoritative 

913
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,500
personality? 
It is one that raises their 

914
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:20,000
children, well, with a diversity
of emotion Management Systems. 

915
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,900
Clearly, he's raised somebody 
who's highly productive Is 

916
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:29,000
highly skilled but also is able 
to enjoy the return of the 

917
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,100
investment of effort when they 
do things for pleasure 

918
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,400
irrespective of the outcome. 
You know if it's five nights or 

919
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:40,200
just to be in the woods hunting 
than to have to kill a back. 

920
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:41,400
Yeah. 
If you get something, if you 

921
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,700
kill it, that's wonderful. 
But it's about the pleasure of 

922
00:50:43,707 --> 00:50:46,400
being out there and too few 
people hate hunting because they

923
00:50:46,408 --> 00:50:50,300
don't always get something and I
think you should be so thankful 

924
00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:53,700
to your sitting from that 
description of Add because that 

925
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:57,700
is a rarity in modern America 
and we really just have to 

926
00:50:57,700 --> 00:51:02,500
scription as parents. 
We can learn so much from that 

927
00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:04,800
description. 
I'm sure if you're blessed one 

928
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,500
day with a child and I hope you 
are because Lord knows that's 

929
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:10,200
moving. 
Darwinism forward, not 

930
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,400
backwards. 
We if you raised your child, the

931
00:51:14,408 --> 00:51:17,900
way you were raised you most 
likely will you building for the

932
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:21,100
future? 
And and that's just become such 

933
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:24,700
a rarity in parenting. 
Mostly we see the authoritarian 

934
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:27,900
parent, who is really totally 
focused on productivity and 

935
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:31,500
Excellence or we have the 
permissive parent who really has

936
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:35,000
no boundaries, no structure. 
They have the Nike problem. 

937
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,500
They just don't do it and they 
don't put effort into anything 

938
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:41,200
that don't pull up. 
Self-esteem self-confidence or 

939
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,600
you'll fart, Aaron, people who 
never ever credit effort, 

940
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,400
they're only focused on 
excellence and Perfection. 

941
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,900
And no matter how hard that 
child tries to achieve that 

942
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:54,200
always falling short and that 
Little Gap is filled with a 

943
00:51:54,207 --> 00:51:57,400
sense of failure. 
That is highly corrosive to 

944
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:01,600
self-esteem and self-confidence.
So at least from that brief 

945
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,700
description, and this is kind of
my job. 

946
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:07,300
I can tell you that for the most
part you should be very, very 

947
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:09,000
thankful for the way you were 
raised. 

948
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,100
I very much. 
Remember he and I definitely 

949
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:14,400
butted heads grown up but you 
know when I look back now it's 

950
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,800
like I really understand his 
approach to things and I respect

951
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,400
the hell out of him as a person 
and I appreciate how he raised 

952
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,800
me and my brother And I'm a 
human my mom both I mean I'm 

953
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,200
very blessed to have the family 
and the parents that I do 

954
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,000
without a doubt. 
I'm curious like with with 

955
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,700
earlier you mentioned I think 
you rattled off for or was it 

956
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:37,000
five different Outlets that 
people need to have like the 

957
00:52:37,008 --> 00:52:41,600
spirituality, the physical and 
ever there was a for, right? 

958
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:44,800
Yeah. 
The, the for effort based ones 

959
00:52:45,100 --> 00:52:49,100
are and if you have visas 
fundamental parts to your life 

960
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:51,500
because you know the question I 
asked a lot of my athletes is 

961
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:54,200
and this is important. 
To go to, I'll cover the for 

962
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,100
the, for our physical activity 
and it's not exercise physical 

963
00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:01,100
activity slightly different than
exercise exercise your job. 

964
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,800
When you walk in the woods, you 
being Physically Active, when 

965
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,500
you training in the gym, you're 
doing your job. 

966
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,500
They slightly different creative
arts, which is anything from 

967
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:14,300
Fashion photography, music, art 
gardening, anything creative, 

968
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,700
spirituality or meditation? 
It can be a connection with a 

969
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:21,500
higher power or it's more just a
meditative experience a night. 

970
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:24,200
I put passive, yo, Agha into 
that not necessarily Act of 

971
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,300
yoga, which more goes to the 
exercise of the physical 

972
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:30,300
activity side, and then 
empathetic human connection. 

973
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:34,200
And it is where you can share 
your story without without 

974
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,700
criticism or condemnation. 
And you can work through things 

975
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:41,600
with friends or family members. 
Now, if you've got those for or 

976
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,400
sore pieces of those for the 
Cornerstone, then if you have a 

977
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,500
rough day and you come home and 
you have a glass of wine, it's a

978
00:53:49,508 --> 00:53:54,300
very healthy way to dissipate 
emotional. attention because you

979
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:57,100
can have a glass of wine and 
take your dog for a walk, but if

980
00:53:57,100 --> 00:54:00,600
you have none of those for 
Cornerstone and you get all this

981
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,300
emotional tension built up and 
you come home and you have that 

982
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:07,300
glass of wine and it relaxes you
at a subconscious level, you 

983
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:09,900
start to bond with the 
relaxation of that alcohol and 

984
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:13,300
slowly over time, you use it 
more and more to the point of 

985
00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:18,400
harm and that is a vulnerability
to dictate Behavior or if you 

986
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:23,000
have no other emotion management
tools, you discover Rate, you 

987
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,700
discover gambling, those are the
instant hides or dysfunctional, 

988
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:29,800
sexual behavior. 
Sex is a one, you know, physical

989
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,600
sexual relationship is one of 
those cornerstones is part of 

990
00:54:33,607 --> 00:54:36,300
the in pathetic human 
connection, but it can also be 

991
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:41,300
part of this function just like 
an athlete who trains to a point

992
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:44,700
of harm to the point of injury 
and then cannot get their butts 

993
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:47,900
out in the gym or somebody that 
over trains and never give 

994
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:50,400
themselves a break because 
they're not training for their 

995
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,600
bodies anymore. 
Very training for the high for 

996
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,000
their mind. 
And so even things in the realm 

997
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,600
of of the healthy and often 
Alternatives, can be taken to 

998
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,100
the nth degree, if there's no 
diversity. 

999
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:06,200
And it's important understand 
that. 

1000
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,200
I'm sure you've met and know 
athletes that have destroyed 

1001
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,800
themselves because they couldn't
get out of the gym when they had

1002
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,600
a small injury. 
Totally, I used to be one Right?

1003
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,700
So and you had to find out this 
to the end, it's okay, nothing. 

1004
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:23,300
Bad is going to happen. 
If you don't go to the gym, 

1005
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,000
nothing bad is going to happen. 
If I don't eat a tub of ice 

1006
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,700
cream tonight, and it's the 
realm is very, very similar but 

1007
00:55:30,700 --> 00:55:34,800
you found diversity. 
And, and that is such a valuable

1008
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,800
asset to have. 
It's funny because I think, you 

1009
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,300
know, they're definitely some 
ignorance out there in the 

1010
00:55:40,308 --> 00:55:41,600
world. 
There's a lot of it, but I feel 

1011
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,000
like people inside deep down 
inside, they know if they're 

1012
00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:48,400
Contributing to their overall 
well-being over there or their 

1013
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,100
overall demise. 
And when people have a tub of 

1014
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:55,800
ice cream just for that quick 
fix, like, they internally know 

1015
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,100
that they're not contributing to
their health like it's not 

1016
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:02,800
bettering them and either. 
Anyway, I don't believe anybody 

1017
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:06,300
is able to just maintain like I 
look at life through the lens of

1018
00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:08,200
you're either getting better or 
you're getting worse. 

1019
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,200
I mean, that's just the way it 
is. 

1020
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,200
That's just life. 
And I feel like when you, when 

1021
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,500
you go for these quick fixes, 
when you go for these short-term

1022
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:18,900
highs, It's like you kind of 
alluded to earlier it just it 

1023
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:22,100
winds up beating you down, 
internally start to lose this 

1024
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:26,100
confidence in yourself. 
This motivation to be better and

1025
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:30,000
that is a dangerous dangerous 
thing to play with because you 

1026
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,300
only have one life and if you do
that for too often for too long 

1027
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:37,600
you are you are in a pretty deep
pit of despair. 

1028
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,400
That's very hard to crawl out 
from You're absolutely correct. 

1029
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,800
And two points that you brought 
up there. 

1030
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,500
The first one is that at 
exciting, the addicts are immune

1031
00:56:46,500 --> 00:56:48,500
to risk. 
You can train with a guy and you

1032
00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:50,700
can hook himself and you see him
in the gym the whole time, 

1033
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:53,600
hobbling around, and still 
training, you know, that that 

1034
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,800
person is kind of addicted to 
his training or her training 

1035
00:56:58,100 --> 00:56:59,500
and. 
But when you go up to talk to 

1036
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:03,500
them about it, they're totally 
ignorant to the fact that maybe 

1037
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:05,000
they need to rest. 
Exactly. 

1038
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,700
I mean everybody knows that 
smoking a cigarette is a bad 

1039
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:10,900
idea, everybody knows. 
If you're fat and you're eating 

1040
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:13,000
a tub of ice cream, it's 
probably not a good idea. 

1041
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,600
However, addicts are immune to 
risk. 

1042
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:19,200
That's the first thing and the 
second comment you made is such 

1043
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,700
a important. 
Comment maintenance is the guy 

1044
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:26,800
that fixes the but the boiler in
a hotel in a hotel or an 

1045
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,400
apartment building, that's the 
maintenance man. 

1046
00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:32,900
There is no such thing as 
maintenance in life, it doesn't 

1047
00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:34,700
exist. 
So, the way I look at this, is 

1048
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:37,300
this way. 
I bet you you've in your life 

1049
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:42,400
walk to run on a treadmill. 
Yes. okay, so if you walking on 

1050
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,400
a treadmill, what happens if 
you're walking along and the 

1051
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,100
treadmills moving and you 
suddenly stop, I fall out the 

1052
00:57:49,107 --> 00:57:51,800
back of the treadmill, right? 
It shoot, you off the back and 

1053
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,900
you crash. 
That's maintenance the minute 

1054
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:56,400
you stop. 
Moving forward. 

1055
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,100
The to the tread life is moving 
on. 

1056
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:03,400
You don't just stop and step out
of the pathway you stop and 

1057
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,800
addresses you backwards. 
And you crash life is specially 

1058
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,200
when it comes to improving 
ourselves self-improvement and 

1059
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,900
and really what it's called is 
self-care. 

1060
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,700
Self-care is like walking on the
treadmill. 

1061
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:18,600
It can be a lot of fun, but it 
It stops. 

1062
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:22,600
And the key thing about walking 
on the treadmill, really self 

1063
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,100
care in life. 
There are no goals there. 

1064
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:28,500
No end point. 
There are just Milestones along 

1065
00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:33,200
the pathway and the parkway of 
self-care only ends about 10 

1066
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,200
minutes after you die. 
Because it's an ongoing process 

1067
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,800
and the minute you say, hey, I'm
at my maintenance weight or hey,

1068
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,600
I've been maintaining this. 
You that guy that just stop 

1069
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,100
walking on the treadmill. 
And it ain't gonna last very 

1070
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:50,100
long. 
You're going to rush back and 

1071
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:52,500
crash and burn. 
And the number of times that 

1072
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:57,700
I've picked people up who have 
done a keto diet or they cut out

1073
00:58:57,700 --> 00:59:00,000
carbohydrates for our. 
And now I've lost weight, my 

1074
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,000
maintenance. 
No you're not. 

1075
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,900
And six months later they come 
in with a head down. 

1076
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,700
I should have listened to you 
the first time big Keith the 

1077
00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:11,000
reason why they're like the word
diet when it comes to a 

1078
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,900
ketogenic lifestyle is because 
there is no such thing as 

1079
00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:18,300
maintenance. 
Maintenance is relapse and every

1080
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:21,400
time you put a carbohydrate in 
your mouth I love about this. 

1081
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:22,600
I can eat some ice cream 
tomorrow. 

1082
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,700
Be fine. 
Tell that to an alcoholic who 

1083
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:26,800
had his first beer? 
It doesn't happen. 

1084
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:29,500
Alcoholism wouldn't exist. 
If someone got get hammered 

1085
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:32,700
tonight and be sober for the 
year after that, it doesn't 

1086
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:35,000
happen. 
And that's why every alcoholic 

1087
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,700
nose. 
Don't go there. 

1088
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:40,700
It's about the word permission 
and a large part of dietary 

1089
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:45,100
management because we so focused
on calories uses, a concept 

1090
00:59:45,100 --> 00:59:48,600
called harm reduction. 
You reduce how many calories you

1091
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,000
consume. 
So you lose weight but you're 

1092
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,900
not addressing the fundamental 
reason the cause of why you gave

1093
00:59:56,900 --> 01:00:00,400
the weight in the first place 
which is a dysfunctional emotion

1094
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,100
management system to replace a 
deficient one. 

1095
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:09,100
And so therefore if Every every 
calorie content controlling 

1096
01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:13,800
died, including keto, diet, keto
diet, give most people a small 

1097
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,200
allowance of carbohydrates per 
day. 

1098
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,200
Oh, you've got to be under 30. 
Well, I'm going to save up all 

1099
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,300
my 30 like Weight Watchers. 
So I can have some cheesecake 

1100
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:22,900
tonight, or am I saving my all 
up? 

1101
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:28,800
So I can have a key, do pizza, 
or Aikido donut or whatever. 

1102
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:33,600
But do not cut me into trouble. 
I don't care what it's made of, 

1103
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,100
it's the concept. 
Yeah. 

1104
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,900
And what are the key things that
we teach our patients is to 

1105
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:43,200
develop arrogant Integrity 
rather than a sense of 

1106
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,400
deprivation? 
Why do you think? 

1107
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,800
And I'm going to say something 
that may sound Blasphemous up 

1108
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,600
front. 
But why do you think vegans 

1109
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,700
stick to their diet or stick to 
a vegan way of life? 

1110
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,900
Far better than the majority of 
people stick to a ketogenic 

1111
01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:00,500
diet? 
I don't know. 

1112
01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:03,300
That's a good question. 
Okay, it's very simple. 

1113
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,600
The reason people go on a 
ketogenic diet is either to lose

1114
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,900
weight or treat their diabetes 
for the most part. 

1115
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,900
Okay? 
And when you do that, you're 

1116
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:17,000
giving up something, you feel 
incredibly deprived. 

1117
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,100
So, when you offer someone, a 
ketogenic diet, a piece of cake,

1118
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,800
the responses, you do know, I'm 
not allowed to have that. 

1119
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,100
It's a very different facial 
response and then it's just that

1120
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:31,000
one big unexpected, emotional 
event, Way from accessing that 

1121
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,700
take again, because they feel 
deprived when the murder. 

1122
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:39,400
The majority of people that 
start a vegan diet, don't do it 

1123
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,900
because they're fatter diabetic.
They started out of care, out of

1124
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:45,500
misguided, but out of care for 
the planet. 

1125
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:47,400
Oh, climate change. 
We're going to kill apply 

1126
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,800
climate tomorrow. 
The Earth's going to explode or 

1127
01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:52,600
the prayer animals, how can you 
kill the animals and their 

1128
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,500
Evangelical, about the 
protection of the climate on the

1129
01:01:55,500 --> 01:01:58,000
animal. 
So they're willing to make huge 

1130
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,100
sacrifices because Cuz they're 
arrogant about the fact that 

1131
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,400
that any meat. 
So, when you offer a vegan 

1132
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,100
mistake they don't say, oh no. 
I'm not allowed to have that. 

1133
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:09,600
I'm a vegan. 
They say, damn you. 

1134
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,500
Why the hell do you kill an 
animal? 

1135
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,500
You bad person, you killed 
Bambi. 

1136
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:18,000
They're arrogant about the fact 
that they don't eat meat and 

1137
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,900
their arrogance. 
Sustains them the same way that 

1138
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:25,100
an ex-smoker will tell you, 
that's disgusting how the devil 

1139
01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:27,900
can you smoke? 
They don't say oh, I wish I 

1140
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:30,100
could have one buttermilk smoke 
record smoke. 

1141
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:33,600
No, they're arrogant in their 
integrity that they don't do 

1142
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,600
that thing and if we can build 
up the same arrogance about 

1143
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,800
carbohydrates, as people on a 
ketogenic way of life, that's 

1144
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,000
disgusting. 
How can anybody eat ice cream? 

1145
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:46,200
You're far. 
Less vulnerable to going there. 

1146
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,500
So does that make sense to you? 
Totally agree. 

1147
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:51,400
I tell people all the time. 
You have to change what you 

1148
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:56,000
prioritize like if for me, I 
prioritize how much better I 

1149
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,100
feel Function following this 
ketogenic lifestyle. 

1150
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,500
Then I do from the momentary 
high, from any other type of 

1151
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:05,900
carbohydrate based food. 
So like my priority is such that

1152
01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:09,400
I don't feel like I'm deprived 
or I'm sacrificing anything 

1153
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,000
because I'm winning more than 
I'm losing and that to me is a 

1154
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,900
greater, you know, underlying 
win. 

1155
01:03:15,100 --> 01:03:18,200
And when you don't feel like 
you're sacrificing, its I mean, 

1156
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,400
it's actually sustainable. 
Otherwise you're going to feel 

1157
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,000
like you're always deprived 
You're exactly right. 

1158
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,400
But that's that's the whole 
point is that the concept of the

1159
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,000
diet? 
Here's your diet or if you go 

1160
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,300
cut off carbohydrates, don't eat
except once or twice a day 

1161
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:36,300
intermittent fasting. 
Off you go that is for most 

1162
01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:40,900
people unsustainable primarily 
because they removed not only 

1163
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:45,300
the harm, the carbohydrates do 
that the asset value, anything 

1164
01:03:45,300 --> 01:03:49,500
that we do that's addictive has 
an asset value, carbohydrates 

1165
01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:53,600
make you feel great and when you
remove them, You have to 

1166
01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:56,200
carbohydrates are unique in the 
addiction world. 

1167
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,700
When you quit smoking. 
The only value of a cigarette of

1168
01:03:59,700 --> 01:04:04,200
nicotine is as a an emotion 
management, a dysfunctional, 

1169
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,500
emotional management tool. 
So, when you remove cigarettes 

1170
01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:10,700
from your life, you're leaving 
an emotion management Voyager, 

1171
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:14,500
21, 21 replacement could adapt 
the same for almost every other 

1172
01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:15,800
drug. 
You know, nobody tells an 

1173
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,900
alcoholic what they should drink
that's kind of natural. 

1174
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:23,100
But when it comes to 
carbohydrates as a bit Of 

1175
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:26,200
substances when you remove them,
they unique in the fact that 

1176
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:31,400
they leave to avoid, they leave 
a nutritional void and they also

1177
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,100
leave an emotion, management 
void. 

1178
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,900
And if you're going to remove 
them in the sustainable way, you

1179
01:04:35,900 --> 01:04:41,400
have to replace both voids. 
So, the ketogenic diet is 

1180
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,600
heavily focused on replacing 
carbohydrates, with a more 

1181
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:50,400
effective healthier, nutritional
whole range. 

1182
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,300
So, the ketogenic diet foods 
that Nutritional whole, but it 

1183
01:04:54,300 --> 01:04:57,600
still leaves a massive, emotion 
management, hold, by the time 

1184
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,900
you are obese or diabetic. 
If you look in the defectors who

1185
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:03,000
are diabetic person that I 
usually factors, because that's 

1186
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,100
who I am. 
My body may not be fat anymore, 

1187
01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:06,100
but by head. 
Sure is. 

1188
01:05:07,300 --> 01:05:10,400
But the point that point is 
that, if you look in the factors

1189
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,800
for type 2 diabetics, emotion 
management toolkit, by the time 

1190
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,800
they got. 
There you open up that toolkit, 

1191
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,400
there's carbohydrates in 
cobwebs. 

1192
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,300
And if you take out the 
carbohydrates, they've got 

1193
01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:22,800
nothing. 
And if you don't help them. 

1194
01:05:22,900 --> 01:05:26,800
The stand that it's just a 
question of time either before 

1195
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,700
they go back to carbohydrates 
when they find another 

1196
01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:32,200
dysfunctional drug. 
So for example, people have 

1197
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,900
successfully quit smoking the 
majority of them gain weight 

1198
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,200
because they didn't go, they 
didn't just quit smoking. 

1199
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,100
They didn't in fact they didn't 
quit smoking. 

1200
01:05:41,100 --> 01:05:44,500
They just did a drug transfer. 
They went from nicotine to 

1201
01:05:44,500 --> 01:05:47,100
carbohydrates. 
The reason why you've been able 

1202
01:05:47,100 --> 01:05:49,700
to sustain this in our 
successful with it is because 

1203
01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:52,400
you've got a variety of I open 
up your emotion management 

1204
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:53,200
toolkit. 
It. 

1205
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,600
It's like a jack-in-the-box 
everything. 

1206
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,600
Just jumps out, you've got all 
this abundance of things that 

1207
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:01,200
you do for pleasure, for fun, 
for emotion management. 

1208
01:06:01,300 --> 01:06:04,600
And the problem is people like 
me had to build that we had to 

1209
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,100
find that, and it's taken me two
decades. 

1210
01:06:07,100 --> 01:06:10,100
And I'm still pretty pathetic at
putting things into that emotion

1211
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:13,700
management toolkit. 
So we're vulnerable to a muscle 

1212
01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:17,400
memory of going backwards and 
that's why I try to isolate 

1213
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,800
myself with insulate myself from
access to carbohydrates, 

1214
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,900
particularly in places. 
Has where I'm emotionally 

1215
01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:26,500
relaxing. 
I can tell you this, absolutely 

1216
01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:29,500
Robert, if there's ice cream in 
my fridge tonight, I'm going to 

1217
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:32,500
eat it. 
But I also know absolutely that 

1218
01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:36,300
it's not there and because I 
understand my vulnerability to 

1219
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:39,600
that addictive behavior, and if 
you think you've beaten the 

1220
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,000
addiction, it's just a question 
of time before you factor 

1221
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,900
diabetic again. 
So, stimming off of that, I've 

1222
01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:49,700
got a question for you. 
I'm definitely a believer in, 

1223
01:06:49,700 --> 01:06:54,300
you know, elimination is better 
than moderation when you're 

1224
01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:55,900
struggling with any type of 
addiction whatsoever. 

1225
01:06:55,900 --> 01:06:58,400
I mean, it's just better to get 
it out and remove it entirely 

1226
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,700
and then, you know, build 
yourself up from ground one. 

1227
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,600
But if you're no longer 
addicted, like, for me, for 

1228
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:09,100
instance, I have never been an 
alcoholic and I never will and I

1229
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:12,900
don't really drink at all. 
However, once in a blue moon 

1230
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,100
I'll have a glass of wine. 
Like, when I got I'm married. 

1231
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:18,800
I had a glass of wine. 
So with someone like that, you 

1232
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,600
know, in the context of whatever
it may be, whether it be food, 

1233
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,900
like, my, my dad, for instance, 
he's never been addicted to 

1234
01:07:23,900 --> 01:07:28,400
carbs but every once while have 
some carbs, I inherently know, 

1235
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:31,300
going back to my wine example 
that I'm not benefiting. 

1236
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:34,100
You know, physically my 
performance is not going to be 

1237
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:36,600
enhanced whatsoever from that 
glass of wine. 

1238
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,300
Like nothing is moving the 
needle forward. 

1239
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:43,200
If anything is probably going 
reverse, what would you say 

1240
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,700
like, in your And in your 
perspective, what is that? 

1241
01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:50,400
Like I feel like for me, you 
know, knowing that I'm not a 

1242
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,400
dick to knowing that I have no 
struggle there. 

1243
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:59,000
It's like that is my idea of 
just having the symbiotic moment

1244
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:03,000
where I know I'm not that's just
like my, my Bliss relaxation 

1245
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,700
point, but I'm curious to see 
what your perspective is on, 

1246
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,500
things like that, whether it be 
food or drink or whatever. 

1247
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:11,700
I mean, I wouldn't want to do 
heroin anything by any means. 

1248
01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:15,300
But something that if it's done 
in moderation, And if you don't 

1249
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:17,600
have an addictive behavior 
towards that substance. 

1250
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:22,200
Maybe it's offering some type of
emotional benefit that outweighs

1251
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:26,600
the decrease in performance or 
whatever, right. 

1252
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,100
I think you just touched from 
the fundamental issue in the 

1253
01:08:30,100 --> 01:08:34,000
entire nutrition. 
Diet weight loss world and Gary 

1254
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:39,200
taubes is a friend of mine 
actually has a great little talk

1255
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,700
about this and and this is, 
you're exactly right. 

1256
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:48,100
When fat people went up Two 
diabetics, get advice from 

1257
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,100
otherwise. 
Healthy people who have never 

1258
01:08:52,100 --> 01:08:56,899
ever experienced addiction and 
don't understand the concept of 

1259
01:08:56,899 --> 01:09:01,700
carbohydrate addiction. 
Then their whole life is about 

1260
01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:04,200
moderation. 
They can those are the people 

1261
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,500
can have one or two chips from 
the bag and fold it up and eat 

1262
01:09:06,500 --> 01:09:10,399
some more tomorrow. 
They do not have any realm of 

1263
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:14,200
understanding of how someone 
like myself and other fat people

1264
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:18,800
and type 2 diabetics function. 
That the only way I can stop 

1265
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,000
eating chips is when the bag is 
empty. 

1266
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,000
A and your bag is empty. 
And and that's an uncontrollable

1267
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,000
Behavior to start to ask me to 
control that is irrational and 

1268
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,600
impossible. 
And I think the whole Gayatri 

1269
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,899
debate. 
This whole issue of moderation 

1270
01:09:33,300 --> 01:09:37,399
comes about because people 
giving other people advice base 

1271
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:40,399
it on their own realm of 
ability. 

1272
01:09:41,300 --> 01:09:46,899
So that if they're capable 
without even thinking about it 

1273
01:09:46,899 --> 01:09:49,700
all moderation, very going to 
say that. 

1274
01:09:49,899 --> 01:09:55,000
I just assumed that everybody is
capable of moderation, and then 

1275
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,900
you're telling somebody that 
they're pathetic that they're 

1276
01:09:57,900 --> 01:10:03,600
weak that they're terrible. 
You really are stomping on an 

1277
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,700
already extremely fragile 
eroded. 

1278
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:10,800
See yourself when you try to 
tell a fat person that moderate 

1279
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,600
Is the way to go and we can try,
they put a lot of effort into 

1280
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,400
moderation, but because we can't
do it. 

1281
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:22,200
We cannot do moderation period. 
And then we try we successful 

1282
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,400
for a little while and then we 
crash and burn. 

1283
01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:28,300
And then we get beaten up 
psychologically for being what 

1284
01:10:28,300 --> 01:10:32,000
we are added, and it is 
incredibly rosoff. 

1285
01:10:32,500 --> 01:10:35,800
And if you look at the amount of
depression, the amount of 

1286
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:40,200
anxiety, the amount of suicide 
because people are telling us 

1287
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,800
how pathetic We are that we 
cannot tolerate moderation. 

1288
01:10:42,900 --> 01:10:47,900
I love and and just, I'm so 
envious of people like you that 

1289
01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:50,300
are able to do this in 
moderation. 

1290
01:10:50,700 --> 01:10:53,800
I just know. 
I can't and the challenges to be

1291
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:58,500
able to tell people that 
moderation isn't a feasible way 

1292
01:10:58,500 --> 01:11:00,100
to go. 
And I think that's the 

1293
01:11:00,100 --> 01:11:02,800
fundamental part. 
If you read all these blogs by 

1294
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:07,800
these so-called dietary experts,
and I think the whole nutrition 

1295
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:14,200
education system is based On the
concept of moderation tolerance,

1296
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,300
you can have a little bit 
because I have a lot that's why 

1297
01:11:16,300 --> 01:11:22,600
I never measure anything I eat 
steak and planful I don't need 

1298
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,800
ice cream at all. 
That's my measurement. 

1299
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,100
And I eat once or twice a day 
when I'm hungry. 

1300
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,400
It's not a difficult system to 
follow but they have to measure 

1301
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,000
everything. 
You can have this amount this 

1302
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,600
amount because moderation is 
possible for them. 

1303
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,200
Now, on the flip side, I'm a fat
guy. 

1304
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,800
I have an out-of-control 
relationship with God. 

1305
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,900
Carbohydrates that ways will 
have but I'm not an alcoholic. 

1306
01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:47,600
I've seen drunk, I've abused 
alcohol from time to time but 

1307
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,400
I've never ever lost control of 
the relationship. 

1308
01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:54,400
So therefore for me, if I have 
some of those other things that 

1309
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:58,600
I do on a regular basis, I go 
for my walks with my dog, I run 

1310
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,700
from time to time. 
I do a little Jim. 

1311
01:12:00,700 --> 01:12:03,100
Welcome Physically Active. 
I'm spiritual. 

1312
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:06,400
I'm I have good empathetic human
kinetics connections. 

1313
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,000
I have the like you the most 
wonderful wife as a human being 

1314
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:14,500
in my life. 
I I just I she is my emotion 

1315
01:12:14,500 --> 01:12:17,600
management system when it comes 
to human human beings and I'm 

1316
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:21,100
very thankful for that. 
I have some creative things that

1317
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:24,000
I do. 
So therefore when I have a 

1318
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:28,000
relaxing day or a rough day, I 
can come home and have a glass 

1319
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,400
of wine or a beer. 
And I'm not going to go 

1320
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,300
ballistic with it because I've 
never gone ballistic with it 

1321
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:36,000
before. 
And I don't have the need to do 

1322
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,900
those other things to go 
ballistic with it. 

1323
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:40,800
Now, I have very cognizant 
awareness. 

1324
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,300
Is that I am vulnerable to 
addictive behavior. 

1325
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,900
So I never drink when I'm alone.
I never drink when I'm really 

1326
01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:50,100
depressed or upset, and I try to
have very tight boundaries 

1327
01:12:50,300 --> 01:12:53,700
around my drinking or at least 
have somebody else in my 

1328
01:12:53,700 --> 01:12:56,100
presence that's going to take 
care of me and help me with 

1329
01:12:56,100 --> 01:12:58,400
those boundaries. 
And and if I'm responsible way 

1330
01:12:58,407 --> 01:13:03,100
that I can enjoy the benefits of
alcohol within the realm of a 

1331
01:13:03,108 --> 01:13:06,300
diverse and often management 
system to the point that it 

1332
01:13:06,308 --> 01:13:08,900
doesn't cause me harm, but does 
that make sense to you? 

1333
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:11,700
Yeah, totally. 
I think all this Kind of the 

1334
01:13:11,700 --> 01:13:15,200
summed up, like people just need
to have self-awareness. 

1335
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,700
Like, if you have self-awareness
as to what your addictive 

1336
01:13:17,700 --> 01:13:20,300
personality traits are where 
your strengths are where your 

1337
01:13:20,300 --> 01:13:23,000
weaknesses are and then mitigate
those in the best way possible, 

1338
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,500
like, like people just need to 
be self-aware. 

1339
01:13:25,700 --> 01:13:30,500
Boom, you're exactly right, 
you're absolutely correct. 

1340
01:13:30,500 --> 01:13:34,000
And you know, I think that is a 
piece that we don't talk to 

1341
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:40,000
people about and part of it is 
stepping back from your busy 

1342
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,600
life, where's yourself? 
Phone right now. 

1343
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,000
That's probably dead somewhere. 
I think it's dead. 

1344
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:47,800
Okay. 
Okay, so stop right there. 

1345
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,500
That wasn't the answer. 
I was expecting, but I would 

1346
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:54,200
like every member of your 
audience when they're listening 

1347
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,400
to this to look around and see 
where their cell phone is. 

1348
01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:03,400
What you just given is such a 
rare answer these days that you 

1349
01:14:03,407 --> 01:14:06,200
don't even know where it is. 
People cannot escape from 

1350
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,400
something simple like their cell
phone, and there's a concept 

1351
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:13,800
that I spoke about in Boca at 
the low carb USA conference last

1352
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,800
weekend. 
The title of my talk was 

1353
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,200
dopamine fasting, and serotonin 
loading. 

1354
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,600
We are so focused on 
productivity on connectivity. 

1355
01:14:22,700 --> 01:14:26,400
And, you know, if our self-worth
look, we don't like in the old 

1356
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:30,100
days, go to work and then leave 
work and go home to And rest our

1357
01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:33,900
cell phone comes with us. 
So we blamed work and social 

1358
01:14:33,900 --> 01:14:36,500
life. 
Continuously how many times do 

1359
01:14:36,500 --> 01:14:40,400
most people not put as social 
engagement, a chat with their 

1360
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:44,200
wife or their family on hold to 
take a business call or put 

1361
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,800
their social life on hold to go 
and send an email or to do 

1362
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,300
something, you know, more and 
more. 

1363
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:54,900
We're blending productivity into
our social life and into our 

1364
01:14:54,900 --> 01:14:58,500
emotion management life and 
that's a highly highly toxic 

1365
01:14:58,500 --> 01:15:00,200
situation. 
Ation because we never 

1366
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,000
completely relaxed. 
So the title of my talk was 

1367
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:07,500
called dopamine fasting and 
serotonin loading and 

1368
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:10,100
essentially if you look at it 
this way but all that 

1369
01:15:10,100 --> 01:15:13,800
productivity is where the 
dopamine is the hormone that 

1370
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,800
could route gets released into 
your brain. 

1371
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,300
That helps you to focus helps 
you to be productive. 

1372
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,700
Helps you to concentrate. 
And the normal way that the 

1373
01:15:21,700 --> 01:15:25,800
human body works every system in
the human body works in a 

1374
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,700
homeostatic feedback negative 
feedback Cycling way. 

1375
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,800
So we're focused and 
concentrating on a subject 

1376
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:37,500
dopamine, builds up for about 15
to 20 minutes, maybe 30 minutes 

1377
01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:42,500
and then it we need a relief. 
We need a brain cells, need a 

1378
01:15:42,500 --> 01:15:44,800
momentary break. 
Think about it, like driving in 

1379
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,000
the rain, you're driving in the 
way in the water, spilling onto 

1380
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,800
your windshield. 
It's getting increasingly 

1381
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,400
opaque, you hit the windshield 
wiper and suddenly the 

1382
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,200
windshield is clean and then the
rain gutters again. 

1383
01:15:54,300 --> 01:15:57,000
And then you hit the windshield.
That's how our brains work. 

1384
01:15:57,100 --> 01:16:00,100
So we build up dope. 
I mean when you focus and then 

1385
01:16:00,100 --> 01:16:04,100
we need a windshield wiper and 
the windshield wiper is 

1386
01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:07,000
something called serotonin. 
It's a homer. 

1387
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:11,300
It gets released that just 
rapidly, get rid of dopamine, 

1388
01:16:11,300 --> 01:16:14,500
you flushed it open and then you
rebuild it to you refocus. 

1389
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:19,400
And the problem with most people
in the modern era is we never 

1390
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,400
effectively give ourselves 
serotonin moments. 

1391
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,200
Or if we have one, we've 
overused it to the point that 

1392
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:30,200
the dopamine system no longer 
Respect. 

1393
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:34,200
So we've developed something 
called dopamine resistance and 

1394
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:38,500
all drugs, are things that 
activate that serotonin system 

1395
01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:40,900
at first. 
So if you have a glass of wine 

1396
01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:42,900
every now and then it relaxes 
you. 

1397
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:45,700
But if you're an alcoholic 
drinking all the time the way 

1398
01:16:45,700 --> 01:16:49,400
your body starts to protect 
itself is to become resistant to

1399
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,000
the effects of alcohol. 
They need more and more alcohol 

1400
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,900
to have the same effect and 
eventually that even wears out 

1401
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,600
and that's cool, dopamine 
resistance where we are no 

1402
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,300
longer able to To relax the 
dopamine system because we don't

1403
01:17:01,300 --> 01:17:05,200
recognize a feel the serotonin 
high and under those conditions 

1404
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,000
at part of the addiction 
methodology. 

1405
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,900
But it happens in Blended 
productivity where productivity 

1406
01:17:10,900 --> 01:17:13,700
spills over into your relaxation
life. 

1407
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,700
So, the title of my talk was 
dopamine fasting where, and this

1408
01:17:17,700 --> 01:17:20,000
comes out of the Silicone 
Valley, I didn't invent the 

1409
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,000
concept of a dopamine fast, but 
it's every now and then maybe 

1410
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,900
every quarter, every month, 
whatever, you can afford. 

1411
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,400
You take a morning or afternoon 
or ideally, you take a All day 

1412
01:17:29,900 --> 01:17:33,400
from, when you wake up to, when 
you go to sleep and you do 

1413
01:17:33,700 --> 01:17:37,000
nothing, you drink water, if you
want to put a bit of salt in it.

1414
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,000
That's okay. 
You want to walk around, you do 

1415
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,100
that. 
No cell phone. 

1416
01:17:40,100 --> 01:17:42,200
No books. 
No contact with other people. 

1417
01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:47,000
No major physical activity. 
Nothing no computers. 

1418
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:52,200
No internet, no connection. 
You dumb down completely you 

1419
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:55,500
shut down your entire productive
life. 

1420
01:17:55,900 --> 01:18:00,300
What you can do is write on Not 
with a pen on paper. 

1421
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:06,800
And with the goal of the 
dopamine, fast is to reconnect 

1422
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:12,000
you to the inherent issues in 
your life because we're battling

1423
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,000
a busy all the time. 
We're incurring pain, we have 

1424
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,400
physical pain, you may have that
from time to time from training 

1425
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,900
and we have emotional pain, we 
have emotional tension that 

1426
01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:26,200
builds up and we never ever get 
relief from those two things. 

1427
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,200
So don't mean faster. 
The morning and Or a day when 

1428
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:34,200
you take a complete break from 
your entire life, but you sit 

1429
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:37,300
down with a pen and paper and 
you get inside your head and you

1430
01:18:37,300 --> 01:18:41,600
connect with the painful issues,
be they physical pain, or be, 

1431
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,900
they anxiety or stress or 
depression. 

1432
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,300
And you name them, and you write
them down and then you're also 

1433
01:18:47,300 --> 01:18:51,100
write down, how they happened? 
You look back, you reflect that 

1434
01:18:51,100 --> 01:18:53,500
you analyze. 
What happened over the last few 

1435
01:18:53,500 --> 01:18:55,400
months, how you've gotten to 
this point? 

1436
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,600
And it also, you analyze what's 
going to happen? 

1437
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,900
What strategy, you can develop 
starting tomorrow to give 

1438
01:19:02,900 --> 01:19:05,100
yourself. 
Those de regular serotonin 

1439
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:08,200
breaks with dopamine. 
So the beautiful description 

1440
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,500
that this guy uses. 
Easy says, it's a little bit. 

1441
01:19:11,500 --> 01:19:16,400
Like somebody riding a donkey if
you riding a donkey for life, 

1442
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,700
the way to get the donkey to 
move is you put a small carrot 

1443
01:19:19,700 --> 01:19:22,200
on a stick in your hold it in 
front of the donkey and the 

1444
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,500
donkey took be should move 
toward the character. 

1445
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:30,900
The problem is that if The last 
week, the donkey has been stuck 

1446
01:19:30,900 --> 01:19:35,000
at a carrot Buffet where it's 
just got inordinate access to 

1447
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,800
everything. 
That makes the don t feel good, 

1448
01:19:38,300 --> 01:19:41,800
this off while the donkeys 
feeding at that, Buffet at that 

1449
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,700
trough and you dangle some 
pathetic little carrot in front 

1450
01:19:44,700 --> 01:19:46,400
of it. 
The donkey's not going to move 

1451
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:50,500
because it's full from the 
trough and if you look at our, 

1452
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,700
this productive Blended life 
that crosses over into our 

1453
01:19:53,700 --> 01:19:56,600
relaxation period, that's like 
the character faith for the 

1454
01:19:56,608 --> 01:20:01,300
donkey, the dopamine from fast 
is a day where you remove the 

1455
01:20:01,300 --> 01:20:06,400
buffet and you starve your 
donkey and if you can starve the

1456
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:12,400
donkey for a day and figure out 
What happened in the past to get

1457
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,200
to this point and what's going 
to happen in the future and you 

1458
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:19,800
are intersected in, you relax, 
then tomorrow, when you hang 

1459
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:23,600
that little carrot in front of 
the donkey, the donkey starts to

1460
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,400
move again and it's a way to 
reset yourself. 

1461
01:20:26,500 --> 01:20:30,100
So, in the back, end of the 
first day of dopamine frosting, 

1462
01:20:30,100 --> 01:20:32,300
is the reset that starving the 
donkey. 

1463
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,800
And the next day, you do the 
same thing. 

1464
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,900
Except on the second day, you 
don't work. 

1465
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,600
We going to feed the donkey you 
Do some exercise. 

1466
01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:45,300
You do something charitable. 
You connect with an old friend 

1467
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:48,700
that you haven't spoken to 
preferably in a humble way. 

1468
01:20:49,100 --> 01:20:52,800
You maybe give away to charity, 
something that you value. 

1469
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,200
Something that's precious to 
you. 

1470
01:20:54,900 --> 01:20:58,800
You may do something. 
Artistic your garden to the 

1471
01:20:58,808 --> 01:21:01,400
yard, and you, and your weed a 
little bit or you draw your 

1472
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:05,400
paint or you sing. 
The result is irrelevant, but on

1473
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:10,100
the serotonin laid, loading day,
you do the specific thing. 

1474
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:14,900
As you engage in the specific 
and dolphin releasing things, 

1475
01:21:14,900 --> 01:21:18,600
that make you feel wonderful. 
And the first thing you do 

1476
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,900
preferably, get out of bed is 
pull the covers up at do not 

1477
01:21:21,900 --> 01:21:25,800
make your bed perfectly. 
However, as soon as you pull the

1478
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,900
covers up stand back from that 
pat yourself on the chest and 

1479
01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:36,100
say, damn, I'm good because self
recognition of effort is 

1480
01:21:36,100 --> 01:21:40,800
self-care and the problem is, we
become so competitive in our And

1481
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:45,500
so results-focused, we forget to
enjoy the return of the 

1482
01:21:45,500 --> 01:21:49,400
investment of effort, which 
should be a wonderful sense of 

1483
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,100
well-being. 
A wonderful sense of Pride, 

1484
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:57,700
irrespective of the outcome. 
And in little increments that 

1485
01:21:57,700 --> 01:22:02,100
sense of Pride from effort in 
little increments builds, up our

1486
01:22:02,100 --> 01:22:06,700
self-esteem and self-confidence 
and most people have forgotten 

1487
01:22:06,700 --> 01:22:10,300
to do that. 
So the dopamine fast serotonin A

1488
01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:14,500
load today. 
Reset is a wonderful way to get 

1489
01:22:14,500 --> 01:22:19,400
back to the basics of effective,
diverse effort, based emotion 

1490
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,400
management. 
I love it. 

1491
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,200
I love it. 
And how often do you recommend 

1492
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,800
doing that? 
I can I be awesome if you need 

1493
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,800
to I do it in small fractions. 
Probably once a week once a 

1494
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,400
week. 
I'll take an evening. 

1495
01:22:31,500 --> 01:22:34,900
We're just opening fast and the 
next morning I may go for do a 

1496
01:22:34,900 --> 01:22:36,400
couple of things that I love to 
do. 

1497
01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:41,600
Sometimes probably once a 
season, or if you Twice a year. 

1498
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,700
You know, you've heard of this 
essay D or the in the winter, 

1499
01:22:45,700 --> 01:22:50,100
where everybody gets, how 
occurring, what the essay b 

1500
01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:52,300
stands for. 
But it's a, it's an affective 

1501
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:55,300
disorder where just the winter 
bugs you down. 

1502
01:22:55,500 --> 01:22:58,900
So sometime in the winter, 
sometime in the summer, at least

1503
01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:01,600
twice a year, I isolate two 
days. 

1504
01:23:01,900 --> 01:23:05,900
That's what I do. 
Leave me alone, don't go there 

1505
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:09,900
and, and more and more. 
The dopamine fasting has taken 

1506
01:23:09,900 --> 01:23:11,700
hold. 
In places, like Silicon Valley, 

1507
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:14,100
where those guys are on all the 
time, that's where the dopamine 

1508
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:16,700
fought concept originated. 
And if you really want to hear 

1509
01:23:16,700 --> 01:23:20,000
it, all you have to do is go to 
YouTube and type your dopamine 

1510
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,100
fast. 
And it's about an 8 minute 

1511
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:26,900
YouTube video, it is phenomenal.
You jam packed everything in it.

1512
01:23:26,900 --> 01:23:29,800
And I, the guy I can't find out 
what the guys name is. 

1513
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,200
I'd love to give him credit for 
it and giving credit to him and 

1514
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,200
as an anonymous person, but it 
is a great video. 

1515
01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:38,500
However, that's only the first 
part. 

1516
01:23:38,700 --> 01:23:43,000
The second part is The second 
day or the second moment is to 

1517
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:49,200
figure out and identify and plan
what you're going to do on a 

1518
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:54,700
regular basis to serotonin load,
and it shouldn't involve drugs 

1519
01:23:54,700 --> 01:23:58,900
or drug like Behavior. 
You know it's a hard sell at 

1520
01:23:58,900 --> 01:24:02,100
first for someone that's like 
really type A driven to think 

1521
01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:04,600
that they're going to take a 
couple days off without any you 

1522
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,800
know quote unquote work or 
engagement with the cell phone. 

1523
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,500
I used to struggle with it. 
I used to you know be resentful 

1524
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:13,800
towards that I would shy away 
from it but then I really 

1525
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,400
started diving deep into all of 
what you just described. 

1526
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:21,300
I would I would make my time in 
the woods this outlet for me and

1527
01:24:21,300 --> 01:24:24,200
I would go to into the woods 
for, you know, a few days and 

1528
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:29,200
hunt with 0, cell phone, 0 
internet, Zero interaction and 

1529
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:33,900
my level of productivity after 
coming out of that was so much 

1530
01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:37,300
greater than it was going into 
that that it more than made up 

1531
01:24:37,300 --> 01:24:38,500
for the two days that I'd be 
gone. 

1532
01:24:39,900 --> 01:24:42,700
But actually right and you know,
there are places where 

1533
01:24:42,700 --> 01:24:45,600
variations of this is happening,
for example, Google didn't 

1534
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,700
experiment. 
And it seemed crazy at first 

1535
01:24:48,700 --> 01:24:50,600
just like dopamine fasting seems
crazy. 

1536
01:24:50,900 --> 01:24:53,400
They reduce themselves to a 
four-day week. 

1537
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,300
And I gave the employees an 
extra day off. 

1538
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,200
I guess what happened to their 
productivity. 

1539
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:03,000
It went through the roof. 
Because people were more 

1540
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,200
productive in a shorter period 
of time when we've got longer 

1541
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,400
periods of time to do things. 
Are we doing things 

1542
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,400
continuously? 
And here's a word that was 

1543
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,100
created. 
When I was in medical school yet

1544
01:25:12,100 --> 01:25:15,400
small group and we created a 
friend of mine, shown Mortimer, 

1545
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:19,000
who lives in England, created 
this word, he called it wedding 

1546
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:24,800
and Wagga blabbing wab, be ing 
is work avoidance behavior. 

1547
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:28,500
So that we're at work, we look 
like a working really hard but 

1548
01:25:28,500 --> 01:25:31,200
we're not doing anything and and
our productivity. 

1549
01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:35,500
He goes down when you web and if
you shorten your work periods 

1550
01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:38,700
that you're focused on the task.
And when your task is done, you 

1551
01:25:38,700 --> 01:25:41,500
take a day off. 
You're not petrified that you're

1552
01:25:41,500 --> 01:25:44,100
not connected and you're much, 
much more productive? 

1553
01:25:44,100 --> 01:25:46,100
If you're not webbing, let me 
ask you this question. 

1554
01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:49,400
Do you train every single day? 
No I did like an eight-day 

1555
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:50,900
rotation in which I have two 
days off. 

1556
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:52,600
Oh my God. 
Don't. 

1557
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,800
Don't don't you like collapsing,
your muscles. 

1558
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:58,200
Just wither away on today's know
quite a bit. 

1559
01:25:58,300 --> 01:26:01,900
The day you come back is 
probably one of the Your best 

1560
01:26:01,900 --> 01:26:04,200
most powerful training days, 
without a doubt. 

1561
01:26:05,900 --> 01:26:09,100
The dopamine fast. 
I love it. 

1562
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:11,700
I feel like I'm a I'm cutting 
into your dopamine fast right 

1563
01:26:11,700 --> 01:26:12,500
now. 
This is a Sunday. 

1564
01:26:12,500 --> 01:26:16,300
We're recording. 
This is no, this is serotonin 

1565
01:26:16,300 --> 01:26:17,800
for me. 
This is what I love to do. 

1566
01:26:17,900 --> 01:26:20,900
Okay, and I'm blessed that I can
do this for a living, but I know

1567
01:26:20,900 --> 01:26:24,900
we've gone on for a long time. 
So, I know you've got things to 

1568
01:26:24,900 --> 01:26:27,700
do. 
Well, I definitely certainly do 

1569
01:26:27,700 --> 01:26:29,000
appreciate the time, dr. 
Cyrus. 

1570
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:33,600
I mean, this, I love diving into
the mindset and like deep diving

1571
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,800
into psychology as to why people
do what they do, why they think 

1572
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,100
the way they do because at the 
end, End of day. 

1573
01:26:38,100 --> 01:26:42,000
It's all stemmed back to mindset
and, you know, after hearing 

1574
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,300
your talk at keto Summit, I knew
I wanted to get you on the 

1575
01:26:44,300 --> 01:26:47,200
podcast because I just 
recognized and can really relate

1576
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,700
with everything you were saying.
And then you certainly haven't 

1577
01:26:49,700 --> 01:26:52,300
disappointed a because, I mean, 
literally everything you said. 

1578
01:26:52,300 --> 01:26:55,600
I've just really resonated with 
and could not agree more with. 

1579
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:59,500
So you are definitely fighting 
the good fight and I encourage 

1580
01:26:59,500 --> 01:27:01,200
you to just keep doing exactly 
what you're doing because you're

1581
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:03,900
doing it, right. 
I really appreciate and thank 

1582
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:06,400
you very much for having me on 
Robert if you don't mind. 

1583
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,700
Can I just ask? 
Can I just One thing out there, 

1584
01:27:08,700 --> 01:27:10,700
which is completely off the 
based on this topic. 

1585
01:27:10,700 --> 01:27:13,900
But I think very, very important
because this is something that 

1586
01:27:13,900 --> 01:27:17,100
we don't have knowledge of just 
briefly. 

1587
01:27:17,100 --> 01:27:20,900
A lot of athletes are focused on
protein intake as part of their 

1588
01:27:20,900 --> 01:27:24,000
dietary regimen and they take an
extraordinary amount of protein 

1589
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:28,200
in and and everybody is 
obviously very fit and very lean

1590
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,300
and good-looking but we don't 
know. 

1591
01:27:30,300 --> 01:27:32,600
Biochemically what's happening 
in those people. 

1592
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:37,800
I would love to be able to do an
experiment where athletes It's 

1593
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:42,000
who protein load a lot or eat 
huge amounts of protein for the 

1594
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:45,000
expected result of bodybuilding 
or muscular building or tissue 

1595
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:48,700
repair tissue building. 
I would love to know what those 

1596
01:27:48,700 --> 01:27:53,000
folks fasting insulin is. 
I would love to know how insulin

1597
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:58,800
resistant they are, or are not 
based upon their protein intake 

1598
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:02,400
and while we could design a 
trial and get an IRB and spend a

1599
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,100
million dollars during a trial 
and then skew the results or 

1600
01:28:05,100 --> 01:28:07,400
whatever. 
Maybe I would ask that if 

1601
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,600
Athletes are high protein, 
Edith. 

1602
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,100
The CrossFit is the 
bodybuilders, endurance 

1603
01:28:13,100 --> 01:28:15,200
athletes. 
If you eat a lot of protein and 

1604
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:18,400
you are a fat adapted, ketogenic
athlete. 

1605
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:24,100
If you have health insurance, 
ask your doctor or you can 

1606
01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:27,200
contact me, and I can Skype 
anywhere in the u.s., I can 

1607
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:33,200
write a script for for an 
insulin c-peptide check. 

1608
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,600
I would love to know because 
this is very important 

1609
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,000
information. 
I would love to know What the 

1610
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,800
insulin level is because if 
athletes are taking a lot of 

1611
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,300
protein and it's resulting in 
insulin resistance and we don't 

1612
01:28:44,300 --> 01:28:47,900
know this, if it is resulting in
insulin resistance, that's 

1613
01:28:47,900 --> 01:28:50,400
harmful. 
That's a very harmful state to 

1614
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:54,800
be in potentially and we need to
be able to either say not an 

1615
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,200
issue at all, eat your protein 
or hey, we've got to do 

1616
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,600
something different, and the 
other response would be to 

1617
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,900
protect the protein by eating, a
high fat diet because that'll 

1618
01:29:04,900 --> 01:29:06,800
put you in ketosis and lower 
that insulin. 

1619
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:10,600
So, I I would like if there's 
anybody interested in, knowing 

1620
01:29:11,900 --> 01:29:14,700
letting me know what your 
fasting insulin is, or 

1621
01:29:14,700 --> 01:29:18,900
alternatively contacting me are 
you can either message me or 

1622
01:29:18,900 --> 01:29:22,200
contact me through my office if 
you if you need me to send you a

1623
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:25,100
script to check your insulin and
and I appreciate you just 

1624
01:29:25,100 --> 01:29:28,300
hanging on on for that because 
that's a that's information that

1625
01:29:28,300 --> 01:29:30,000
we really need. 
No totally. 

1626
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,100
And that's a topic of interest 
in mind as well. 

1627
01:29:32,100 --> 01:29:35,000
I think you're just speaking any
directly for a second. 

1628
01:29:35,300 --> 01:29:38,800
I used to eat a ton of protein. 
I mean, coming from traditional 

1629
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:42,100
bro, dieting bodybuilding 
background, you know, I would be

1630
01:29:42,100 --> 01:29:47,600
eating 300-350, sometimes 400 
grams of protein and a lot of 

1631
01:29:47,608 --> 01:29:50,900
people in the keto sphere, they 
kind of demonized protein and 

1632
01:29:50,900 --> 01:29:53,500
eat far too little. 
And that is not good either. 

1633
01:29:53,500 --> 01:29:56,300
I feel like most of the 
population probably under eats 

1634
01:29:56,300 --> 01:29:58,700
protein, however, within the 
athlete realm. 

1635
01:29:59,300 --> 01:30:02,200
I do believe there is this 
massive overconsumption of 

1636
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:06,300
protein and me personally, since
going keto, I've you know, 

1637
01:30:06,300 --> 01:30:09,800
increase my dietary fat Take 
significantly, but I've 

1638
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,000
moderated my protein intake. 
I don't think there's any 

1639
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,100
inherent benefit to over 
consuming protein. 

1640
01:30:15,100 --> 01:30:18,200
Your body can only assimilate so
much protein anyway, so once you

1641
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:21,300
cross that threshold, there is 
no advantage to it. 

1642
01:30:21,300 --> 01:30:24,800
So finally what advantage? 
And that's the issue there might

1643
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:27,600
be a disadvantage to protein 
loading exam that would be 

1644
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,400
mediated through 
hyperinsulinemia. 

1645
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:31,300
Yeah. 
So I think you know especially 

1646
01:30:31,300 --> 01:30:35,100
if your key to adapted knowing 
that you can down regulate that 

1647
01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:36,600
protein. 
I mean you don't under consume, 

1648
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:39,400
but if you're getting adequate 
Eat protein and you're able to 

1649
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,700
continually build muscle and 
recover, then there's no need to

1650
01:30:42,700 --> 01:30:45,500
have three times your body 
weight in protein. 

1651
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:48,400
Right. 
And that's the intellectual 

1652
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,400
argument. 
But the knowledge is going to 

1653
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:53,400
come from what your biochemical 
metrics are. 

1654
01:30:53,700 --> 01:30:55,800
And as you said, everybody's 
going to slightly different 

1655
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:59,400
threshold and we tend to 
underestimate how much protein 

1656
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,300
we eat when we believe protein 
is important. 

1657
01:31:01,300 --> 01:31:04,900
You're right. 
We protein should come along for

1658
01:31:04,900 --> 01:31:07,300
the ride. 
When you eat meat and and got a 

1659
01:31:07,308 --> 01:31:09,400
nature is taken care of the 
ratio pretty darn. 

1660
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,100
Well yeah. 
So the fact does in a ketogenic 

1661
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:15,200
diet a well-formulated, 
ketogenic diet affect does 

1662
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:17,600
balance out the protein. 
But a lot of guys still use 

1663
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,200
protein supplements and protein 
by itself. 

1664
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,500
And I I'm just interested to 
know because Tim noakes and I 

1665
01:31:23,500 --> 01:31:26,000
were talking about this, a few 
weeks ago, a couple of months 

1666
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,300
ago, where a lot of highly 
trained athletes, especially 

1667
01:31:29,300 --> 01:31:32,800
triathletes, the finding them 
floating in the water after the 

1668
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,800
swim their dead and at it's 
become a big concern, not just 

1669
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:42,000
that but athletes in the prime 
of their existence dropping dead

1670
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,100
when they shouldn't be. 
And there are certain metrics 

1671
01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:46,300
that we're looking at, we know 
that. 

1672
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:50,600
That carbohydrates in your 
vascular, blood vessel cells and

1673
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,200
can cause heart attacks and 
strokes which which are in the 

1674
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,800
fifties and athletes in the not 
in their 50 and 60 Fifth and six

1675
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:58,400
decades. 
That's what happens to a lot of 

1676
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,000
those. 
But for guys, like yourself, I'd

1677
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:04,800
love to know what their insulin 
is because insulin is then 

1678
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:09,100
triaging the protein toward 
sugar not toward the tissues, 

1679
01:32:09,100 --> 01:32:13,200
like you wanted to be and and 
that may make you hyperglycemic 

1680
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:17,000
and that may be a concern in 
some of these These guys 

1681
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:20,400
training and may affect them 
down the road in terms of their 

1682
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,000
health after they when they get 
a little bit older. 

1683
01:32:23,300 --> 01:32:27,100
So I it's just a number that I 
would love to know so that I can

1684
01:32:27,100 --> 01:32:30,200
increase my concern level or 
decrease my concern level. 

1685
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:33,700
Well I will certainly send you 
my blood work where can people 

1686
01:32:33,900 --> 01:32:36,400
reach out and get in touch with 
you and inquire upon this 

1687
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:37,600
further? 
Yeah. 

1688
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,500
So the easiest way to get, hold 
of me. 

1689
01:32:39,500 --> 01:32:42,300
I'm on YouTube. 
My channel is called addiction 

1690
01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:44,100
dark, and I'd love people to 
subscribe. 

1691
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,300
You can get me through there or 
through Facebook. 

1692
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,200
Facebook or Instagram carbon 
diction dock, on Facebook, 

1693
01:32:49,300 --> 01:32:52,700
Robert, Stivers accommodation, 
documentary on competition dock 

1694
01:32:52,700 --> 01:32:56,400
on Instagram and you can message
me directly on either of those 

1695
01:32:56,600 --> 01:33:06,400
or you can text me 256 1610 by 
you know what, five six, one, 

1696
01:33:06,900 --> 01:33:11,500
six, two, seven four, one zero 
seven and if you call or text 

1697
01:33:11,500 --> 01:33:16,300
that number, I can get you a 
script to get your see peptide. 

1698
01:33:16,500 --> 01:33:19,300
Check and some of that blood 
work and I do that for patients 

1699
01:33:19,300 --> 01:33:22,000
all over the country because 
those are important starting 

1700
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,800
metrics whether you starting a 
ketogenic diet or whether you 

1701
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,700
want to know what effect your 
protein is having awesome. 

1702
01:33:28,900 --> 01:33:30,300
Well, I will definitely link at 
that. 

1703
01:33:30,300 --> 01:33:33,500
I'll put that in the show notes 
that people can easily find find

1704
01:33:33,500 --> 01:33:35,900
you, getting getting contact and
get these metrics to. 

1705
01:33:35,900 --> 01:33:38,800
Because I think that is 
definitely valuable information.

1706
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,800
I feel like not enough people in
the athletes Vector 

1707
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,300
specifically. 
They just assume that they've 

1708
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,100
got perfect health and they 
don't really Dive deep. 

1709
01:33:47,100 --> 01:33:51,100
You know, people have outward 
issues that are very visible. 

1710
01:33:51,100 --> 01:33:53,600
It's obvious that they need to, 
you know, dive deeper and see 

1711
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,300
what's going on. 
But I think a lot of athletes 

1712
01:33:55,300 --> 01:33:58,900
kind of hide behind this veil of
just how they look and feel. 

1713
01:33:58,900 --> 01:34:01,700
They don't think anything's 
internally wrong but everybody 

1714
01:34:01,700 --> 01:34:03,200
needs to kind of know what these
metrics are. 

1715
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:06,000
Exactly right. 
Exactly, right. 

1716
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,400
And you know, we just 
discovering this realm, we now 

1717
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,200
have the carbohydrate side of 
things, pretty well worked out 

1718
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:16,300
but we really haven't worked out
what the appropriate. 

1719
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:20,700
Conditions of eating protein and
fat are and more is not always 

1720
01:34:20,700 --> 01:34:22,400
better. 
Totally agree. 

1721
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:23,800
Well dr. 
Robert Stivers. 

1722
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:25,400
I cannot thank you enough for 
your time. 

1723
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:28,000
I've learned a ton and I really,
really do appreciate the 

1724
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,300
conversation because I think we 
see eye to eye on most things. 

1725
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,600
Thank you very much and you 
know, you and I do this because 

1726
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:36,800
we care not because of any other
reason. 

1727
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,900
And if anybody needs additional 
help or additional Deep dive, 

1728
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,200
please contact me. 
Absolutely. 

1729
01:34:42,300 --> 01:34:43,000
Well, thank you again.