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What's going on? 
Ladies and gents Robert Sikes 

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keto Savage.com and I forgot the
one, the only dr. 

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Ken Berry online. 
How are you, man? 

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Hey, keto, Savage. 
How you doing, brother? 

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I'm good. 
I'm good. 

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Little to people know this 
podcast is not going to be about

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anything scientific and medical 
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It's just gonna be about us 
getting out of country-style 

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having that accent really coming
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talking. 
That's right, man. 

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It's right. 
So, how you been bring me up to 

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speed brother, man. 
We've been, we've been good. 

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We've been very busy with, you 
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couple of trips coming up some 
collaborations, we're working on

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but having a great time and you 
know always meeting good new and

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useful people and making making 
new friends. 

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What do you guys been up to man?
Pretty much the same thing just 

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trying to like, you know, build 
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platforms. 
I got to say man you are totally

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killing it on YouTube. 
Like you make me look like a 

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freaking little peon up there. 
I'm not sure what's going on 

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with you. 
Two there must be somebody in 

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YouTube headquarters. 
That likes me or something 

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because I know Early just get to
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I'm like what's piss me off 
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I think I'll make a video about 
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Take Post-it no editing done and
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patients. 
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do it. 
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real, missing the grit, or the 
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I'm not sure what's going on 
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But hey, I'll take it, you know,
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reach so many people and help 
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That their, their health, and 
their nutrition. 

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See chairman, I mean, when I 
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first conference that we ran 
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authenticity came through and I 
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that in the YouTube like the 
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kinds of special effects when at
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But I mean, people go to like 
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If they want to say that they go
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you know, raw authenticity. 
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with you, I think so. 
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day. 
One is just be me. 

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And if you like me, then let's 
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like me. 
Then go listen to Robert sides. 

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Well, between the two of us we 
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right? 
That's it. 

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That's right. 
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Southern colloquialism and some 
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impressed and like I never heard
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That's right, man. 
It's right. 

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So so for anybody that does not 
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believe now but remember that 
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bio just kind of like a little 
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Okay? 
So I'm Ken Berry I'm a board 

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certified Family, Physician 
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I've been practicing in a very 
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called Camden for over 15 years 
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clinic every day. 
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the emergency department. 
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I guess it's been a little over.
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would come home bitching about 
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said, this stupid thing of that 
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said that I just blew and you 
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or something but then one day 
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YouTube video, see how you like 
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of all kinds of you know, Family
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smoking exercise, kind of the 
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nutrition when we were at the 
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I think you were given a 
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That was a really, really good 
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Like I walked on that, I'm just 
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misunderstandings that were in 
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day and age and how its kind of 
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you know, social media in the 
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kind of run down like a brief 
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only of health and nutrition 
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That was it, right? 
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you didn't have specialist, you 
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nutritionist, you just had your 
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him to be state-of-the-art, but 
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doctors really kind of got 
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Big Pharma advertising to them 
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promising them, golf trips, and 
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this pill of that pill and big 
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actually started sponsoring 
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medical schools and in 
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it's, you know, just a bunch of 
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on Twitter and YouTube and 
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hell is wrong with all you 
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about? 
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last 10-15 years, it really 
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on the internet. 
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powerful tool. 
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this. 
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That doesn't sound right to me. 
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And the thing that a lot of 
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you have access to the internet,
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every bit of the medical 
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access to, not that the average 
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research. 
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experience, but they could if 
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has a particular medical 
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jump on the internet, read the 
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website called pubmed.gov. 
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that's ever been done on the 
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many of the research studies you
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start to finish from you know 
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summary and the conclusion of 
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now. 
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particular Topic in. 
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they'll make they'll write a 
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podcast and so, you know, in the
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common. 
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Housekeeping and channel 4 and 
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that was it. 
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resources. 
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you had to write to the National
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and print a copy and send you a 
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study and you had no way of 
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the internet at home or you can 
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it's very, they'll let you sign 
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state-of-the-art medical 
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that's ever had a study 
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And that's pretty powerful. 
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same time, all that was becoming
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getting off track and thinking 
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tool they had was that 
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single thing that came through 
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where the patient is almost 
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it's very it's a very odd period
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to be ultimately very fruitful 
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ultimately. 
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been suffering for For decades 
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advice that their doctor gave 
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jump on the internet and in with
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website, you can know just as 
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condition as your doctor does. 
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of having that as an outlet, you
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and kind of self-diagnose. 
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aloe, what's going to happen in 
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doctors like how are they going 
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action going to be. 
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one, most doctors and a lot of 
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they're very cohesive. 
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other, and doctors are almost 
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It's like, I'm gonna get on my 
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mountain and don't talk to me, 
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Don't, don't tell me what to do.
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so that hasn't served us very 
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that slick-talking, 
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in and acted like they like this
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so I think really you've got two
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medicine. 
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that says no, damn it. 
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and that's what we're going to 
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want to see that crap you print 
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I don't hear about it, you to do
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highway, right? 
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style Doctor Who's actually 
happy when you bring stuff that 

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you've been researching. 
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taken the time, you would have 
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ate some twinkies. 
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expected me to somehow magically
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But I'm actually energized in 
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When a patient brings me stuff 
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And they printed out there, like
I want to ask you about this and

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what about this supplement? 
And what about this new 

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medication? 
And this looks like this is 

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dangerous to me. 
What do you think about that? 

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And so if a doctor is willing to
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And stay on his toes and and 
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Health partner with his 
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Then I think this is a great 
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imagine that for the old style 
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or the highway, it must be a 
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To be practicing medicine right 
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patients are taking charge of 
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not going to have it. 
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to take that stat. 
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cholesterol medicine because the
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If you imagine, if you were a 
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those know-it-all doctors and 
the patient just basically 

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bluntly told. 
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that because the research shows 
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Mean it's bad when you sure. 
It's like, wow, I've lost every,

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I've lost it all, I'll they 
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they're going to be a lot of 
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challenge and say yeah, this is 
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we've got an educated alert 
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as a Learning Partner but I'm 
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I'm not there, daddy, right? 
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It's my job to tell them what I 
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it's their health, right? 
They have to decide. 

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Am I going to take this guy's 
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Am I going to apply what he told
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researching? 
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time in medicine, very a lot of 
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would imagine very uncomfortable
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Yeah, yeah, totally agree. 
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Which I don't think is the right
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I mean doctors that are four 
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I've got a lot of respect for 
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are good and solid you know like
doctors like yourself what? 

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Wonder if it was you or Ted name
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was talking kind of about how 
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around doctors goes as it 
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script or not and kind of like 
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can you kind of like pull the 
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So If I have a, an established 

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patient. 
So you're my you've been my 

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patient Robert for a few years 
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you've got high blood pressure 
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here's what you're going to do. 
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carbs because it going, we want 
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and that's going to help you get
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Get rid of the extra fluid and 
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probably come down. 
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I want you to keep up with your 
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want you to eat keto for three 
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see me. 
I can build a level 2 for that 

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at, but if I did all of that 
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going to write you a 
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pressure, man. 
Then I can build a level 3. 

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That makes it a more complex 
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structured reimbursement, wise 
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time difference? 
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literally makes no difference. 
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are considered a 15-minute visit
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visits by time or you can build 
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And so, when you write a 
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bumps up the complexity of the 
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guess I'm going to get paid. 
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up for a three level than for a 
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but I didn't help you. 
My whole point is to heal you, 

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right? 
My whole point is to make you 

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healthier. 
My the whole point of my 

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existence is to improve your 
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That's what I'm there for. 
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literally I could write you that
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be over in 90 seconds or I could
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and I would get paid the same. 
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you for 15 solid minutes and 
then but you see the doctors 

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make money the more patients 
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And so if I can write you a 
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at 90 seconds, then the average 
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he's just a human like all the 
rest of us, right? 

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He's going to do that because 
he's got bills to pay. 

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He's got you know he's got a car
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college. 
He got he's got to make that 

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money just like all the rest of 
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And so the average doctor is not
going to sit in Counsel you to 

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stop eating twinkies and to get 
up off the couch that he's not 

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going to take the time. 
He just going to write you that 

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script because he gets to Bill a
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you know with not spending 
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And so as long as the 
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like that, the average Doctor 
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guy, he's going to take that 
shortcut, right? 

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It's just human nature, is the 
like, how did that even come 

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into place? 
Like I said that protocol. 

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On forever, like I bring me up 
spilling the history of Medical 

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Practice here, it's been around 
forever. 

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So really what happened was back
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temporary law that you. 
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workers in the US, but I don't 
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I don't know. 
All the details. 

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I just know that that like if 
you work for Monsanto or whoever

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they couldn't just give you a 
raise for a while, they're there

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was a wage hike fries. 
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some way to compensate their 
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well, hey, we'll just start 
paying their medical bills. 

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Well, medical insurance. 
Right? 

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So, really mellie's medical 
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just everybody, like it is now 
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intervention into the free 
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So that's kind of messed up to 
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government messes with the free 
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worse, not better. 
Most people know, that's, that's

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kind of a rule of economics. 
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Then they had to figure out. 
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Of course, I mean it's the 
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minutes and he didn't do 
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We don't want to pay him as much
as if he spends. 

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You know, 20 minutes with the 
patient and write some five 

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prescriptions and orders an 
x-ray, he ought to get paid 

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more. 
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know how people are some people 
like me and you just want to get

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stuff done in other people love 
to feed and count and make lists

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forms and measure stuff. 
And so they had all the bean 

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counters in Washington and so 
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this billing thing called the 
Decodes and that's basically 

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thousands upon thousands of 
codes for every different 

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procedure that a doctor can do, 
including a very limited office 

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visit a moderate office visit or
Flex a very complex, and highly 

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complex. 
There's five different levels of

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office visits and that's that 
those are just five of the 

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thousands of codes that the 
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conjunction, with the federal 
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doctors could build the 
insurance companies that started

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offering health insurance 
because of a federal government 

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intervention into the free 
market back in the seventh. 

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That sounds really simple in, 
right? 

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It's just like, wow, that's 
interesting, it's crazy. 

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It's crazy to begin with but now
that's where we are. 

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And so you can't just stop that,
you know, that's like you can't 

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turn around that big boat. 
We were on on the on the Cruz, 

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it takes a minute to turn that 
boat around and that's where 

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modern medicine is right now. 
They everybody on the boat 

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knows, this is stupid. 
Everything we're doing is 

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stupid. 
We're not helping people, 

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there's obesity epidemic, 
there's a diabetes epidemic, 

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there's kidney failure, liver 
failure. 

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Everything's at epidemic levels 
and we're doctors are almost 

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powerless to do anything about 
it. 

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And if a doctor steps out of the
box enough to actually help his 

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patients and he risks getting in
trouble with his State Medical 

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Board. 
And so It's just a mess. 

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It's really a mess right now and
I don't blame a lot of patience 

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for just saying to hell with it 
and just you know going to their

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chiropractor or going to a 
naturopath or going to a 

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herbalist or something because 
sometimes doctors say the 

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dumbest things man. 
What kind of like rules and 

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regulations? 
Are you bound to on the State 

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Medical Board? 
Like what kind of free-range do 

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you have or do you have much at 
all? 

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Well, you've got a lot until you
don't. 

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And what I mean by that is is 
you can do a lot of things that 

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it's not like the medical board 
is constantly watching. 

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But if they get a report or a 
complaint, if another doctor 

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says, hey, you know, Barry's not
practice the standard of care or

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if a patient says, hey, this 
doctor did this to me, then 

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they're going to come and 
investigate that, right? 

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And when they it's kind of like 
opening the can of worms, it's 

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kind of like when the state 
trooper pulls you over if he 

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wants to give you a ticket you 
going to get a ticket whether 

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you did anything wrong or not, 
right? 

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And so most of the time they're 
not going to come they're going 

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to find something that's just 
the nature of that kind of 

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investigation. 
And so Doctors don't want to, 

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they don't want the the State 
Medical Board investigator there

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obviously. 
And so most doctors are very 

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risk averse about that sort of 
thing. 

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So they're not going to take any
chances. 

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And so there's this thing called
standard of care. 

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And every doctor knows about 
this and some of its written 

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down and some of its unspoken 
like if every doctor in my in a 

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50-mile radius of me rights of 
patient Zocor, Crestor Lipitor, 

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a Statin drug for high 
cholesterol, right? 

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If they all do that and I don't 
Then even though I can show them

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research and proof all day long,
I'm not upholding the community 

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standard of care and that's a 
violation. 

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They can actually cite me. 
Find me put reprimand me, put me

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on probation or take my medical 
license away just because I'm 

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not upholding the community 
standard of care. 

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Even if this community, standard
of care is stupid and that's, 

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that's literally the way it's 
set up right now. 

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And I'm sure that that made 
sense at one time in our 

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history, but I don't really 
think it makes sense anymore, 

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with as fast as things are 
changing in the medical 

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landscape. 
So, I'm going to when a patient 

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comes to you with high 
cholesterol for instance. 

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And there, you know, talking 
about Quito, maybe they've done 

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some research and they're 
saying, you know, I don't think 

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the statins, the direction I 
want to go. 

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If you like, do you not 
prescribe that stat and I like, 

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what position are you in there? 
No, I mean if they're like, I 

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don't want to Staten Island, so 
I'm like, good, I'm glad I want 

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you to fix. 
This this, I want you to 

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actually fix the underlying 
problem. 

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So then you're healthier, that's
the whole point of my job is to 

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make my patients healthier to 
make my patients less sick. 

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That's what I'm for otherwise. 
Why do I exist? 

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I'm not a pill Pusher. 
I'm not I'm not just a guy who's

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going to lead. 
Let you leave my office with a 

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handful of pills. 
That's not my job. 

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My job is to help you be 
healthier. 

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And so given somebody a Statin 
or their high cholesterol, does 

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it make them healthier in any 
way? 

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Does it make them happier? 
Does it make them feel better? 

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It doesn't decrease their risk 
of heart attack and stroke. 

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That's been shown multiple times
that huge studies, but yet many 

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doctor, and a lot of doctors 
know that, but they're still 

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going to write that Statin 
because they're afraid that if 

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they don't and to see it. 
So here's the thing. 

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Here's the bind that doctors 
ring. 

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So I see you Sykes and you got 
high cholesterol and I don't 

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write you a Statin, right? 
I say hey he cute. 

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Oh don't worry about that. 
Just worry about your HDL and 

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your triglycerides. 
And then a month from then you 

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are doing cocaine and you have a
heart attack and died, right? 

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Got it. 
Your family can sue me for 

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malpractice and probably win 
because you had high 

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cholesterol. 
I didn't put you on a Statin and

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you had a heart attack and died 
and I'll probably, I'll probably

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lose my medical license to Even 
though you had a heart attack 

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because you're smoking crack, 
it's a good point that's in case

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right? 
Thank you. 

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That's right. 
So you have to, you have to hurt

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your patient, gradually with the
Statin or you have to take a 

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chance that something terrible 
happens and then you get jacked 

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up yourself by the medical 
board. 

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And by, you know, an attorney 
who says, Hey, I've seen the 

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00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,600
medical chart here. 
His total cholesterol was 2001 

449
00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:29,200
and you didn't prescribe him 
Statin and that's why he died. 

450
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,400
And we want, we want five 
hundred thousand dollars. 

451
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,600
Yeah, and so doctors are kind of
caught in these Vines where 

452
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,700
there's really not a comfortable
answer because if You Buck the 

453
00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:43,300
system and do what's really 
right for the patient, you could

454
00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:47,900
lose your career but if you just
cower down and write the Staten,

455
00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:50,600
you're not helping anybody, 
you're part of the problem at 

456
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,100
that point. 
You see what I'm saying? 

457
00:22:52,100 --> 00:22:56,900
And so, so many doctors are just
like, dude, this sucks and so 

458
00:22:56,900 --> 00:23:00,200
there are a lot of doctors right
now who are miserable In their 

459
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,600
medical practice because that's 
their choice every day. 

460
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,200
They go to work. 
It's either you're going to make

461
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,800
your patient slowly sicker, or 
you're going to take a chance of

462
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,400
losing your career if you 
actually try to help them become

463
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,300
healthier in the proper way. 
So, I mean, what do you do, man?

464
00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:15,100
You just like, like, you're 
putting on this continent and, 

465
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:17,400
you know, YouTube, social media.
So you're definitely state in 

466
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,500
your opinion. 
Are you just kind of follow your

467
00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:21,600
heart and if you get booted off 
The Medical Board? 

468
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,600
And yeah, it's just happiness. 
I'm kind of like you, you know, 

469
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,100
I'm from a place where you, you 
either put out a get out. 

470
00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:30,900
You, you either produce Or you 
go home, you either, you know 

471
00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:32,800
what I'm saying? 
You either play, or give me the 

472
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,300
ball, let me play. 
And so, I'm not about to just 

473
00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:40,000
sit on my little doctor stool, 
and right medicines for the next

474
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000
40 years and look up. 
And I'm ready to retire and I 

475
00:23:43,008 --> 00:23:45,200
really haven't helped anybody be
healthier. 

476
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,000
That's not why I'm at the 
medical school. 

477
00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:50,600
And so also a lot of doctors, 
forget about that oath that they

478
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,900
took. 
I actually meant that when I 

479
00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:58,600
took that oath and I don't care.
I don't care about the 

480
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,100
repercussions of doing what I 
think is the right thing. 

481
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,500
I feel like I'm doing the right 
thing for my patient, then let 

482
00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:07,100
the medical board come. 
And you remember I said that on 

483
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:08,800
the cruise important issue. 
I thought she was going to 

484
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,400
shrivel up and crawl under a 
table. 

485
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,000
But I've I mean it, I mean, if 
you want to make me the American

486
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,200
Tim noakes or the American Gary 
fakie, then let's go. 

487
00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:22,600
That would be a, that would be. 
I think that would be great fun 

488
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,500
and I think we could actually 
fix the problems in medicine. 

489
00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:30,100
What faster if they would try to
pick on a doctor like me. 

490
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,400
It doesn't have to be me. 
Anybody who's doing what I'm 

491
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,400
doing? 
If they thought, you know what, 

492
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,800
we're going to we're going to 
show him. 

493
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,900
We're going to, we're gonna bust
him down and and we're going to 

494
00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:40,500
find him and put him on 
probation. 

495
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,800
I think that that would probably
be the beginning of the end for 

496
00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:48,500
for the current problems that we
have in big medicine and big 

497
00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:50,300
Pharma. 
I love a man think I think your 

498
00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:52,700
heart is in the right spot man. 
You're cool as dude for sure. 

499
00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:02,500
I'll say that on the airplane. 
What just kind of recap, what 

500
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:04,200
happened with the whole team? 
No situation for him, but they 

501
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,400
did not know, or just kind of 
get like them, a brief overview 

502
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:14,500
of them. 
So notice from Australia, right?

503
00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:18,900
In fact, he's from South Africa,
or maybe Vice verse. 

504
00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:21,500
I think noakes is from South 
Africa, I can never remember. 

505
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:25,400
But basically, he was a, he was 
a surgeon and he got paid to 

506
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,400
chop off legs, that were, you 
know, diabetics who had 

507
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,300
terrible. 
Diabetes control and he got paid

508
00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:33,600
to do surgery on these people. 
And basically, he was saying, 

509
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,200
hey, you know, if you'll just 
stop eating all the carbs, your 

510
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,500
diabetes will get better and 
then you can probably save your 

511
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:45,600
leg and a new nutritionist. 
Reported him and said, he's 

512
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,000
doesn't have any kind of 
credentials to be giving 

513
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,500
nutrition advice. 
He just needs to chop off legs. 

514
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:56,600
And so this doctor was literally
trying to save patients Limbs. 

515
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,400
And when a patient loses, a limb
like, Like that to surgery like 

516
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,500
their their their chance of 
being dead. 

517
00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:05,000
Within five years is like 80%, 
it's terrible. 

518
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,400
Like when that that is the 
literally the beginning of the 

519
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,500
end for a diabetic patient when 
they lose a toe or lose a leg. 

520
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:13,000
I mean that you just they don't 
live for much longer because 

521
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,100
that just sets into motion a 
Cascade of medical events that 

522
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:20,100
you just don't recover from. 
Plus their diabetes is so 

523
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:23,500
awfully controlled that they 
lost part of their body because 

524
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:25,300
of the terrible control of their
diabetes. 

525
00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:30,300
And so this guy was actually 
trying to say You know, I don't 

526
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:32,700
want to cut your leg off even 
though that's my job. 

527
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:35,800
I'm gonna you know, I'm an 
orthopedic surgeon, I want you 

528
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,100
to eat better, I want you to 
stop eating all these carbs and 

529
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:41,900
then your blood sugar will come 
down and then you can maybe keep

530
00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:44,700
your leg and he got in trouble 
for that. 

531
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:47,600
And, you know, we can just talk 
about this on this podcast and 

532
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,000
go. 
What the hell? 

533
00:26:49,500 --> 00:26:51,800
Are you kidding? 
That really happened? 

534
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,500
Yep, that really happened and it
took him years to fight this and

535
00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:00,100
he won and then his Medical 
Board of Appealed and he had to 

536
00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:02,500
fight it again and then he won 
again. 

537
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,600
And so now I think they're 
probably going to leave him 

538
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,100
alone, but I mean it's cost him 
hundreds of thousands of dollars

539
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:11,600
to fight this. 
And if other people like us 

540
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,600
hadn't jumped on board and you 
know, chipped him a five or ten 

541
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,600
every now and then to kind of 
help him, he would have been 

542
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,000
bankrupt and he would have lost 
because he couldn't, he couldn't

543
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,300
afford his attorney to fight. 
And so, that's kind of what 

544
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:24,500
doctors are up against. 
We're up against this huge 

545
00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:27,700
Behemoth, that if it decides to 
come down on us, we're going to 

546
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:29,400
get crushed. 
That's Just how it's going to 

547
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,800
be. 
And so that makes most doctors 

548
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,900
afraid to fight but noakes 
infect key. 

549
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,300
And then recently Shaun Baker, 
the orthopedic surgeon. 

550
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:42,200
The US, he kind of had a similar
deal where he wasn't chopping 

551
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,900
off enough legs to keep 
everybody happy and kind of got 

552
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:48,700
in trouble there for me. 
And so that that really happens 

553
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,000
in modern medicine in a lot of 
people don't hear that backstory

554
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,400
and they don't understand what's
going on. 

555
00:27:53,400 --> 00:28:00,000
But this guy was trying to save 
people's limbs by just telling 

556
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,500
them to eat better and got in 
trouble for it. 

557
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:05,400
And and you know his medical 
career has been on hold for I 

558
00:28:05,408 --> 00:28:07,700
don't know 5 or 7 years. 
However, long he's been fighting

559
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:11,500
it and could have been over. 
If he hadn't won his medical 

560
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:14,800
career could have been over if 
he had lost because he was 

561
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,700
trying to save. 
People's feet and legs and toes.

562
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,400
And that's the true story and 
that happens every day in 

563
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,600
medicine. 
And that's what doctors are 

564
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,200
afraid of. 
They don't want to be that guy. 

565
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:28,000
They don't want to be the guy 
that gets, you know, is made the

566
00:28:28,008 --> 00:28:32,000
example of for everybody else. 
And so they just hunker down and

567
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,000
they take it and they do what 
they got to do to get by. 

568
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,500
And it's not it's not something 
to be proud of, it's not a 

569
00:28:37,508 --> 00:28:40,600
pretty thing and I'm just, I'm 
not cut out of that cloth, I 

570
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,300
can't do that. 
I've got to do what I think is 

571
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:45,900
right though, the heavens may 
fall is the quote is right. 

572
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:47,700
You get them, you don't throw 
away, man. 

573
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:51,800
I mean it's it's because of 
people like you and others that 

574
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,500
this is even making waves in the
positive direction, the first 

575
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:56,200
place, man. 
So I appreciate you standing out

576
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,600
against the, you know, the, the 
Norms. 

577
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,400
Well, it's not always fun but I 
think it's always worthwhile 

578
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,600
what what made you even get into
space in the first place? 

579
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,600
But as far as like, Kela, what 
was the transition into doing 

580
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,500
that? 
Like what, what research or 

581
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,700
evidence that you found 
compelled you to kind of go that

582
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:15,900
direction the first place? 
Well, after I just started my 

583
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,700
Tickle practice in my early to 
mid 30s. 

584
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:21,300
I was very busy, working 
building the practice, and I 

585
00:29:21,308 --> 00:29:26,400
started getting fat. 
And so, you know, like I said 

586
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,900
earlier, I'm from the, I'm from 
the kind of place where you put 

587
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,200
out or get out. 
You don't talk talk the talk, 

588
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,100
you walk the walk, right? 
That's how I was raised. 

589
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:39,100
And so I could not spend 40 
years being the fat doctor 

590
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,100
walking into rooms with patients
and how you need to lose some 

591
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:44,400
weight. 
And then looking at me like, 

592
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,700
dude, your water is about to 
break. 

593
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:49,300
What do? 
Talking about, right? 

594
00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:51,600
I can be that guy. 
I had to lead, by example, 

595
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,300
because that's just how I do it.
And so, I'm like, well, I got to

596
00:29:54,308 --> 00:29:57,500
fix this. 
And so, I tried everything that 

597
00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:59,200
I've been telling my patients, 
right? 

598
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:01,600
For the first three years of my 
practice, I was an idiot. 

599
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,600
I told people to eat the 
American diabetic Association 

600
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,200
diet, eat, lots of whole grains,
joined Weight, Watchers, join 

601
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,100
the gym, you'll lose weight that
way. 

602
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:14,100
And and literally believe that 
every one of my patients was 

603
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:17,100
non-compliant because they all 
kept Getting fatter and sicker 

604
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,900
and I thought well they're just 
not doing, I'm telling you, 

605
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:22,300
right? 
Turns out when I started doing 

606
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:24,800
what I was telling them to do 
because I was starting to get 

607
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,700
fat. 
I was I was pushing 300 pounds 

608
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:30,100
at one point. 
Is it didn't work for me and so 

609
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:32,400
I could accuse them of being 
non-compliant because I don't 

610
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,200
live in their skin, right. 
But I couldn't accuse myself of 

611
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,200
being non-compliant because I 
live with me. 

612
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:39,500
I know what I did. 
I know that I the heck out of 

613
00:30:39,508 --> 00:30:42,900
some whole grains and I cut out 
all saturated fat, and was 

614
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:45,700
eating skinless, chicken breast 
and drinking skim milk all the 

615
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:48,400
time. 
And was gaining weight by the 

616
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,900
week and so I'm like, what the 
hell man? 

617
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:55,800
You really this doesn't work. 
No wonder everybody's getting 

618
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,000
fatter and sicker. 
And so that's when I started 

619
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,300
looking kind of outside the box 
so to speak. 

620
00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:02,400
Well I got to figure out, I 
can't be a fat doctor. 

621
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,600
I don't care what I have to do, 
I got to fix this and so I found

622
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,100
a book by Robert Adkins the 
Atkins diet Revolution. 

623
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:13,000
I found a book by Mark Sisson 
the Primal blueprint and I found

624
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,500
a book by Loren cordain. 
The Paleo Oh, diet. 

625
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,500
And so I read all three of those
and I was like, wow, that's 

626
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:21,400
exactly backwards from 
everything I've ever been 

627
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,800
taught, you know, in med school 
about nutrition which wasn't 

628
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,800
much to start with. 
I thought. 

629
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,700
Well, I'll give that a shot. 
See what that does. 

630
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:33,200
And so immediately, my markers 
of inflammation, and diabetes, 

631
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,100
started to go down. 
I started to lose weight. 

632
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:38,500
I started to feel better. 
And so, I just kept researching 

633
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:42,600
and basically it when you do 
that, It's just a natural 

634
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:49,700
progression from Adkins to paleo
to Primal to ancestral Taquito. 

635
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:51,600
That that's just where it that 
could. 

636
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,700
Because kiito's the answer in my
opinion, that is the way human 

637
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:58,000
beings are supposed to eat. 
And so when you start down that 

638
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,100
road and some people get the 
Quito from the vegan root. 

639
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:03,600
That's why I want everybody to 
be always respectful to the 

640
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,100
vegans because they're just look
at their just searching. 

641
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:07,900
Just like we are. 
They know that the standard 

642
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,000
American diet, stupid, and 
they're right about that. 

643
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,100
It is But they didn't come at it
from the Paleo, they came at it 

644
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:17,100
from the vegan, but I just saw 
two new patients today who come 

645
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:21,500
to see me from across the state 
over from Chattanooga and they 

646
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:23,500
were vegans for seven or eight 
years. 

647
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:27,500
Lost a bunch of weight on vegan 
and but this, they were tired 

648
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:28,700
all the time. 
They didn't feel good, their 

649
00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:30,500
skin was terrible. 
So they kept looking at kept 

650
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:35,400
searching and they found oh we 
can do vegetarian keto, so they 

651
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,400
did that for a while. 
They added some eggs at it's a 

652
00:32:37,408 --> 00:32:39,500
fish. 
And now they're full-blown keto.

653
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:42,500
They feel great. 
He's he he didn't have seizures 

654
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:45,100
anymore. 
Her EMS is in remission, all 

655
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:48,100
because they're on keto, but 
they came from the vegan path. 

656
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,200
And so, we're all looking, 
because we're not getting any 

657
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,600
answers from the doctors and the
nutritionist, and the dietitians

658
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,400
that make any sense, you know, 
when you go to the hospital, 

659
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,400
because your diabetes is 
uncontrolled, and they give you 

660
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,900
oatmeal and orange juice for 
breakfast. 

661
00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:02,900
They obviously don't know what 
the hell they're doing. 

662
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:05,900
I mean, that's pretty clear, 
right? 

663
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:08,400
And so then you start looking 
and so I don't blame people for 

664
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,400
thinking will vegans 
all-natural, right? 

665
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,000
It makes sense. 
Let's try it. 

666
00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:16,600
So I think we're all on that 
Journey, looking for the perfect

667
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,400
diet, for us and, looking for 
the perfect Lifestyle, the 

668
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:22,500
should I work out every day? 
Should I nod? 

669
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,900
You know, all that stuff. 
That's, I think it's good that 

670
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:28,400
people are looking searching and
reading and watching YouTube 

671
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,600
videos, that's way better than 
people just blindly taking the 

672
00:33:32,608 --> 00:33:36,100
advice of their doctor and their
Issues and getting fatter and 

673
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:37,700
sicker. 
I totally agree men. 

674
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:39,600
Like taking taking your health 
into your own hands? 

675
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,000
Yes. 
I mean, nobody's going to care 

676
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,200
as much about your health to you
are. 

677
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,300
I mean, nobody should. 
Anyway, that's right. 

678
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:46,100
Yeah. 
I mean you know, if you take the

679
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:50,900
advice of an ignorant doctor, 
like I used to be back in 2003. 

680
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:54,800
If you took my ignorant advice 
back then and you became a type 

681
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,100
2 diabetic in a worse diabetic, 
and then I put you on insulin 

682
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,400
and you wound up losing a leg 
and having kidney failure. 

683
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,200
You're screwed, and you're 
screwed because you blindly took

684
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,900
my advice and I thought I was 
right? 

685
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:12,300
I mean, I was, I was preaching, 
what all the medical journals 

686
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:13,800
and everything I'd learned in 
med school. 

687
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:19,000
I was preaching all that stuff, 
but I was wrong and so trust 

688
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,699
your doctor. 
Love your doctor, your doctor is

689
00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:25,600
a learning Health partner but he
is not your medical daddy. 

690
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,300
He's not the boss. 
If that's the way your doctor 

691
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:31,500
wants to run the relationship. 
That's probably not healthy for 

692
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:33,800
you in the long term. 
You want to talk to, you can 

693
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,900
talk to and say, hey, I saw this
on the internet. 

694
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:37,199
Hey, what do you think about 
this? 

695
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:40,199
And if a doctor doesn't know 
he's to say, I don't know. 

696
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:41,699
Let me. 
I'll Google it tonight. 

697
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:44,199
We'll talk about it next time. 
That's the sign of a good 

698
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,900
doctor, but if your doctor's 
like nylon hearing that crap, 

699
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:49,100
shut up, here's a prescription. 
I'll see you in six months. 

700
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,000
That's, that's there's nothing 
therapeutic about that. 

701
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,500
There's nothing healing about 
that. 

702
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:56,000
There's nothing healthy about 
that. 

703
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,100
That's an unhealthy relationship
and you should probably look for

704
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:01,200
a new doctor, right? 
I totally agree, man. 

705
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,000
Totally agree. 
What you In that there wasn't 

706
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,100
much learned in medical school 
from a nutritional standpoint. 

707
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:11,200
What is the the protocol for? 
Like, what is that curriculum 

708
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,800
look like for doctors? 
I think it's different at 

709
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,800
different medical schools. 
Some medical schools. 

710
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,400
I don't think touch on nutrition
at all. 

711
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,800
At least, that's what I've heard
at the University of Tennessee, 

712
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,400
Health Science Center in 
Memphis. 

713
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,600
That's where I went to med 
school. 

714
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:30,000
We had a half of a semester. 
So in one semester is time half 

715
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,100
of that semester for like 2 
hours a week was the Behavioral 

716
00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:34,600
Science. 
And then the other half of the 

717
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,900
semester, it was nutrition. 
And so we had a paperback book, 

718
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,200
that was probably a hundred and 
seventy five pages. 

719
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,600
And we have the notes we took in
class and then that half 

720
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,800
semesters and it wasn't even 
like every day of the week. 

721
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,000
It was maybe every Tuesday and 
Thursday for an hour. 

722
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:53,600
We had nutrition for half a 
semester and that was literally 

723
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:59,600
the entirety of my nutrition 
education at UT medical school. 

724
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:02,600
And I think that's the way it is
that most State medical schools.

725
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,000
Get a, you get almost like a hat
tip to nutrition. 

726
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,400
Like, oh, yeah. 
And then there's nutrition. 

727
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,200
You know? 
And so I could sum up 

728
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,800
everything. 
I was taught in med school about

729
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,200
nutrition eat, lots of whole 
grains eat very low, saturated 

730
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,800
fat, and Jog, that that's 
literally everything we were 

731
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,200
taught about nutrition in 
medical school. 

732
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,700
And the only time kito's ever 
even mentioned in medical 

733
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:27,000
school, pretty much is, is when 
the time I keep ketoacidosis, 

734
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,400
right, right? 
And that's why so many doctors 

735
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,200
and other health care providers 
are afraid of it because they've

736
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:37,100
never Heard of therapeutic 
ketosis in like the therapeutic.

737
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,500
Ketogenic diet that's been used 
since the 1920s for seizure 

738
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:43,600
patients. 
The average doctors never heard 

739
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,900
of that therapy. 
I hadn't heard of it until a few

740
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:47,100
years ago. 
When I really started 

741
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:49,700
researching keto, I was like, oh
cool. 

742
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:51,400
Look at this. 
They've been doing this since 

743
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,700
the 1920s procedures. 
I didn't know that most dogs 

744
00:36:54,700 --> 00:37:00,100
have no idea when you say he do 
then the the end of that is 

745
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:02,600
acidosis ketoacidosis. 
That's all they think about. 

746
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,900
Because type type 1 diabetics. 
If their blood sugar is very 

747
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:10,100
high and they don't have enough 
insulin, they can get this very 

748
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:14,300
serious, complication of type 1,
diabetes called ketoacidosis and

749
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:17,400
that will wind you up in the 
Intensive Care Unit on all kinds

750
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,600
of drips and maybe even in a 
coma for a few days and all 

751
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,500
doctors in our training, we took
care of young people and old 

752
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:27,400
people as part of our training. 
We've seen a nun newly diagnosed

753
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,400
type 1 diabetic, come in with a 
blood sugar of 800 and go to the

754
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,800
the Intensive Care Unit for 
three or four days in 

755
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,700
ketoacidosis and it's a real 
thing. 

756
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,100
But unless you have blood sugar 
far above 200 and almost no 

757
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:47,000
insulin your body, it's 
impossible to have ketoacidosis.

758
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:52,200
It's literally impossible like 
you can't eat enough bacon to 

759
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,300
make yourself how ketoacidosis 
it just doesn't work that way. 

760
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:58,800
It's that's not how it works. 
But the average doctors never 

761
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,900
heard of any of the stuff we're 
talking about. 

762
00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:05,000
So all they hear is Quito and 
they think, well, that can't be 

763
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,900
good. 
Everything I've ever heard with 

764
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:10,100
the prefix, keto was always bad.
So it must be bad. 

765
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,500
That makes sense. 
Feel like, if my daughter 

766
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:16,000
brought home this, this guy, and
she said, Hey Dad, I'm here's my

767
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,200
new boyfriend. 
His name is Ted and I Be like 

768
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,900
what the hell get him out of 
here. 

769
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:23,100
And and so I ran the guy run the
guy off, right? 

770
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:24,900
And she's like, what the hell? 
Dad. 

771
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:27,000
Why'd you do that? 
I'm like well, his name is Ted 

772
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,700
like Ted Bundy. 
Right? 

773
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,800
I don't want you dating a guy 
like that and so just because 

774
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,000
his name is Ted, he must be a 
serial killer. 

775
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:39,400
That's exactly the logic that 
doctors use when they hear the 

776
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,200
prefix Quito and think 
immediately old ketoacidosis. 

777
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,600
There's no difference in those 
two stories. 

778
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,300
Those are that's the same story,
but just the names change. 

779
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:51,000
Wow, man. 
At it, it's crazy like that. 

780
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:52,600
Do you see? 
You said that, you don't see 

781
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,600
very many doctors in this, 
current day and age leveraging. 

782
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,700
The new research coming out like
they it's kind of an 

783
00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:59,200
afterthought. 
Oh no. 

784
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,500
But it because the new research 
coming out flies directly in the

785
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:07,700
face of all the old research and
all the old research is what we 

786
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:13,700
were all trained under, right? 
And so many doctors look up to 

787
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:15,200
the professor's, that train 
them. 

788
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,000
Almost as father figures. 
I mean, we really have that that

789
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,600
utmost respect and reverence for
them, right? 

790
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,400
Because we were just young punks
and they taught us to be doctors

791
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,300
And so it's really hard. 
It's almost like finding out 

792
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:30,900
that your dad was some terrible 
thing. 

793
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:33,200
And you thought he was always a 
great guy and you loved him and 

794
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,100
then you find out. 
No, he was actually worthless 

795
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:38,600
everything he thought you was 
crap and you're like, oh okay, 

796
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,400
that's great. 
And so it actually it's actually

797
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,900
a deeply psychological thing to 
go through this process of 

798
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:46,300
going. 
Wow. 

799
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:50,500
Everything I was taught about 
nutrition, was just crap, it 

800
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:54,600
was, it's ignorant, none of its 
right wow and every all of those

801
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:58,000
Those professors who I looked up
to and just you know almost 

802
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,600
worship. 
They believe that crap and they 

803
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,300
probably still do if they're 
still alive. 

804
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,600
And so I'm about to go against 
everybody who taught me and 

805
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,600
everything. 
I was taught in order to do what

806
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,400
I think is right. 
And so it's it you can you can 

807
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,300
imagine that's kind of an 
uncomfortable place and a lot of

808
00:40:14,308 --> 00:40:17,600
doctors don't like to be 
uncomfortable and so it just 

809
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,700
happened but that's the problem 
is all this new research is 

810
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:23,800
coming out that shows you know 
showing that that saturated 

811
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,600
fats, good for you. 
Not bad. 

812
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:28,600
That that whole grains are 
probably not good for most 

813
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,900
people. 
I mean, all that is exactly 

814
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:33,200
backwards. 
Everything we were taught and 

815
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,400
it's really hard for a lot of 
doctors to admit. 

816
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,700
They were wrong and a lot of 
them still exist, is it just 

817
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:40,500
give me two generations for 
everything to kind of cycle 

818
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:42,700
through and kind of like 
cleaning the pallet basically. 

819
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:45,100
Yeah and that's you know, that's
kind of the way, it's always 

820
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:48,400
been but I don't think it's 
going to be that way this time 

821
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,000
Robert because I think we've got
the internet now, if we were 

822
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,100
back in the 1970s, we would 
literally have to To wait for 

823
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:59,300
all the old guys to either 
retire or die for the new ideas 

824
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:03,400
to take hold, that's the way 
it's always been in academic 

825
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,400
medicine and everything else, 
economics and everything you 

826
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,200
could the old guys had, you 
know, their theories have become

827
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,800
popular. 
That's why he's the chairman of 

828
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,400
the department now. 
You had to wait for him to 

829
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,700
retire or for him to die before 
a new idea could have any hope 

830
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:21,200
of succeeding but I think that 
we've got to work around now. 

831
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,600
I don't think we have to wait 
those two generations because we

832
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,300
got the internet. 
And we got people like you, and 

833
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:30,300
people like me everyday, 
speaking out and waking people 

834
00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:32,900
up and raising awareness. 
And so I think that we're going 

835
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:38,300
to really shorten the time it 
takes for The Paradigm to ship 

836
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:39,900
and I think that's what we're 
trying to do. 

837
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:42,400
We're trying to shift the 
Paradigm move way of thinking 

838
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:46,700
and that's a that's hard for 
people to say, okay, everything 

839
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:49,200
I thought I knew was wrong. 
So I now I got to learn all this

840
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,500
new stuff, that's not 
comfortable for most people, 

841
00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:54,700
they don't want to do that. 
But I think now that we've done 

842
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:58,800
internet and everybody can see, 
I mean you can read you can 

843
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,500
watch a couple of podcasts by 
been bickman today. 

844
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:05,600
Fellman and listen to a podcast 
by keto Savage and Jimmy Moore 

845
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,600
and it doesn't take many hours 
of you listening and reading and

846
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,900
watching to your life, wait a 
minute, wait a minute. 

847
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:15,600
And now you know and then when 
you go back to your doctor, when

848
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,700
you start talking about this 
stuff, you got to make him very 

849
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:20,700
uncomfortable and the first 
person that goes to him and says

850
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:22,800
that he's just going to think 
they're Kook, right? 

851
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,100
But what about the tenth guy 
that comes in talking about 

852
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:27,800
keto? 
He's going to be like, what is 

853
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,200
there? 
Some kind of cult in town? 

854
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,900
What is this? 
Keto crap, right? 

855
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,400
But what is he going to do when 
the hundred person comes in 

856
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:37,500
saying doc, I want to do keto. 
I don't want to take the stat 

857
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:40,500
many more at some point at some 
number whether it's ten 

858
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:44,400
patients, 50 patients, 500 
patients, that doctors going to 

859
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,500
say what the hell and he's going
to go home and he's going to 

860
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:51,900
Google Quito and he's going to 
start reading and he's going to 

861
00:42:51,908 --> 00:42:54,600
watch a podcast listener. 
Podcast and watch a YouTube 

862
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,200
video, then he's going to know 
and then you just change the way

863
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,800
he practices medicine for the 
rest of his career. 

864
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:03,800
That's what I predict is going 
to happen with this go-round. 

865
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,200
I don't think it's going to take
two generations for all the old 

866
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:11,100
guys to die off before the new 
idea wins, because I think we've

867
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:14,600
got all kinds of shortcuts. 
Now with the internet that we 

868
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,900
can educate patients and we can 
educate doctors as well. 

869
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:23,000
Start now some as that's what 
I'm banking off you two, Tell me

870
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,800
about panda. 
Massage meat, man? 

871
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:31,500
That's, that's a little saying 
that I came up with mid-speech. 

872
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,100
I think maybe the first time I 
said it was on the cruise. 

873
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,200
And so, you know, you see a lot 
in the Paleo keto space like, 

874
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,300
oh, you want to eat the best 
quality meat, you can find you 

875
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:48,200
want, organic grass-fed 
grass-finished, you know, and 

876
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,800
you know how it is. 
You live in Arkansas and I'm in 

877
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,400
Tennessee. 
I'm Founded by poor people. 

878
00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:56,600
And you know, they're lucky, if 
they're not the ones, eating the

879
00:43:56,607 --> 00:44:01,700
grass, much less buying 
grass-fed, grass-finished beef. 

880
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:04,300
And so, I was kind of trying to 
make fun of that concept, you 

881
00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:05,700
know? 
And so I just said something 

882
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:09,100
like, you know, if you can't 
afford grass-fed, grass-finished

883
00:44:09,100 --> 00:44:12,600
Panda, massage beef, that was 
raised in the mountains that, 

884
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,800
you know, the Himalayan 
Mountains, that's okay. 

885
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:18,500
You can still do Quito, and in 
one of my YouTube videos I say 

886
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:21,600
you can do keto on hot dogs and 
mustard if that's all you can 

887
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,900
afford. 
Because that's still a thousand 

888
00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:26,700
times better than that 
family-sized bag of cheetah. 

889
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:29,600
Yeah, I totally agree. 
I think that the highest quality

890
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,700
grain-fed or grain-based, you 
know, meal is still worse than 

891
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:36,800
the lowest quality, keto meal 
exactly. 

892
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,100
Right. 
Exactly, right. 

893
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:40,400
And that's what I'm trying to 
get everybody to understand. 

894
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,100
If you can't afford that stuff 
from Sprouts or whole Mart a 

895
00:44:44,107 --> 00:44:46,700
Whole Foods, it's okay. 
You don't have to, you don't 

896
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:50,000
have to, you know, mortgage one 
of the children in order to go 

897
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,200
to Whole Foods and buy some 
grass-finished beef. 

898
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:55,600
If you don't have to do that, 
you can buy just regular beef at

899
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,700
China Mark and it's going to 
that's still a thousand times 

900
00:44:58,700 --> 00:45:02,100
better than eating that whole 
grain, whatever pasta. 

901
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,100
Yeah absolutely man. 
Absolutely. 

902
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:07,200
I'm going to come and see I've 
been think about this. 

903
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,500
I'm going to come Tennessee. 
I'm gonna I'm gonna meet up with

904
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:11,200
you. 
I wanna get on my blood panel 

905
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,200
done through you man I'm doing 
this six thousand calorie 

906
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,100
experiment right now I'm gonna 
get all my markers. 

907
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,900
Oh yeah you know to you if I 
can't absolutely man coming will

908
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:21,700
check all your labs and then 
you'll have a good Baseline at 

909
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:23,800
this age. 
And so you're eating 6,000 

910
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,100
calories a day. 
And so I am you're probably 

911
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:30,500
certainly. 
He can you gaining three pounds 

912
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:33,400
of week because that the 
calories in calories out model 

913
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,600
says you should be gaining about
two or three pounds a week. 

914
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,800
Is that what you're doing? 
I'm actually kind of leveled out

915
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,700
like that 185. 
I've been waiting five for a 

916
00:45:39,707 --> 00:45:41,400
while now. 
Well, that's impossible because 

917
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,800
you're eating more calories than
you're burning. 

918
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,200
Yeah, that's impossible. 
That's that's impossible. 

919
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:49,600
Probably Sykes. 
Yeah. 

920
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,600
I mean I love I love I love 
doing things that ask that. 

921
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,600
People tell me you're 
impossible, the same. 

922
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,700
I'm the same way I love doing 
the impossible and so obviously 

923
00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:01,900
I'm being sarcastic. 
The the calories in calories out

924
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:06,500
model is one of those old things
that the Old Guard still believe

925
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:07,800
in. 
They think if you burn more 

926
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,700
calories than you eat, you will 
lose weight that it's the first 

927
00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:13,500
law of thermodynamics and that's
ridiculous. 

928
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,600
The first law of thermodynamics 
is definitely a law. 

929
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,200
You cannot break that law, but 
they're misinterpreting their 

930
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,000
Miss applying the law to the 
human body because the human 

931
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,500
body is not a campfire. 
A house fire. 

932
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:29,900
We don't we don't we don't 
digest our food by burning it up

933
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:33,500
in a little of it. 
We biochemically digest our food

934
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:37,700
with chemicals, and with with 
chemical reactions, and enzymes 

935
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:40,200
and so that has nothing to do 
with the first law of 

936
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,500
thermodynamics ultimately. 
We do honor the first law but 

937
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:46,900
not the way. 
Most people think, the way they 

938
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:50,800
try to apply that law to the 
human digestive system is very 

939
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,200
sophomoric, and it doesn't make 
sense when you think about the 

940
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,700
big picture, ER, but so many 
people think all you just have 

941
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:00,100
to eat more calories than you 
burn and you'll gain weight. 

942
00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:03,300
That's it, the end, but you're 
obviously proven that not to be 

943
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:06,100
true on a daily basis. 
Yeah, it really sick of seeing 

944
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:08,500
things dealt in absolutes, man. 
No matter whether it's, you 

945
00:47:08,508 --> 00:47:10,700
know, training protocol and 
nutrition protocol, anything 

946
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:13,800
dealt in absolutes. 
It's just a very narrow-minded 

947
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,100
view of think maybe like Cal 
matter. 

948
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:18,500
Yes. 
But so the hormones genetics. 

949
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,600
You know, environmental factors 
like everything matters. 

950
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,200
Like your body. 
It's a symbiotic unit and 

951
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,700
everything has an impact. 
Yeah, yeah, I think so. 

952
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:27,000
Very cool. 
What I know you and I get like 

953
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,000
10. 
What's the next thing that 

954
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,700
you're excited about my like 
what are you working on right 

955
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:32,700
now that it excites you. 
Well son what's on the 

956
00:47:32,707 --> 00:47:35,200
Forefront? 
I've got a ton of YouTube videos

957
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,200
that I'm in the process of 
making and I'd like to put out 

958
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,600
two new ones a day but they tell
me the algorithm doesn't like 

959
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:43,900
that. 
So I'm trying to I'm trying to 

960
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:48,500
put up through new YouTube 
videos a week and I just signed 

961
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:51,000
a two-book deal with victreebel 
publishing. 

962
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,100
They're going to publish a 
second edition updated of Lies. 

963
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:57,600
My doctor Told me and it's going
to have three or four extra 

964
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,900
chapters and all kinds of extra 
bells and whistles that it 

965
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:03,800
didn't have the first time 
because I self-published it and 

966
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,800
then I'm working on a second 
book called hacking type 2 

967
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,300
diabetes with the ketogenic diet
and intermittent fasting. 

968
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:16,700
And so basically if I have my 
way about it we're going to 

969
00:48:16,700 --> 00:48:20,500
break the back of the diabetic 
epidemic that we're currently 

970
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:23,600
suffering from in the u.s. you 
know right now over half the 

971
00:48:23,607 --> 00:48:25,600
u.s. population either has 
diabetes. 

972
00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:29,700
He's or pre-diabetes. 
Like, that's the new normal is 

973
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:31,500
to be a diabetic or 
pre-diabetic. 

974
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:32,800
Did you know, insane? 
Man. 

975
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,600
I go look at some of their 
friends. 

976
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:36,300
Yeah. 
I think you said that on the 

977
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:39,400
cruise and it just blew my mind,
like, the fact that the majority

978
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,800
of the population is either 
diabetic, overweight or 

979
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,700
divorced, I mean, those three 
statistics just blow my mind, 

980
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:48,000
right? 
Yeah. 

981
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,200
And so maybe can understand the 
divorce thing but not the 

982
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,600
pre-diabetes thing. 
I mean we know how to fix that 

983
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:57,300
and it doesn't Involve a 
Prescription Pad. 

984
00:48:57,300 --> 00:49:00,300
It doesn't involve an injection.
It doesn't involve appeal. 

985
00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:03,400
It involves fixing your diet and
so that's what the second book 

986
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,000
is going to be about. 
So I'm really gearing up, I'm 

987
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,600
going to be super busy working 
working on, redoing the first 

988
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,300
book and then getting the second
book out there, to try to break 

989
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:15,900
the back of this diabetes 
epidemic that we have in the 

990
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:19,200
western world because I'm sick 
of I'm sick of 12 year, old 

991
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,200
children, having type 2 
diabetes, and I'm sick of people

992
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,800
having their legs come and I'm 
sick of people have being 

993
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,600
nonviolent. 
Think of that. 

994
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,100
Yeah, man. 
I totally agree. 

995
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:30,400
You said one thing on the cruise
that really stood out like you 

996
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,700
were talking about the trends 
and kind of the norms and what 

997
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:36,300
is, the current Norm in our 
society and you said your entire

998
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:40,100
goal as a doctor. 
It's just see that Trend, you 

999
00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:41,200
know, move down. 
Right. 

1000
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,400
I haven't downward tick. 
Absolutely such a like men would

1001
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,800
be. 
I mean, yeah. 

1002
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,400
I mean, how fulfilling could 
that be like as a doctor to have

1003
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,200
an impact on that? 
I mean, that's can't put a price

1004
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,100
on them. 
Exactly. 

1005
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,900
But isn't that my job, it 
shouldn't be. 

1006
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:57,000
It shouldn't be. 
Very impressive that that's my 

1007
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,700
goal, that should be every 
doctor's goal. 

1008
00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:04,700
It's weird that it's not every 
doctor's goal to be to be 

1009
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:07,100
breaking the back of the 
diabetes epidemic. 

1010
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:10,000
Curve like every doctor that 
should be all they think about 

1011
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,700
and study about because we are 
now sicker than we have ever 

1012
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:16,000
been in our existence on this 
planet. 

1013
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:18,400
And if you're any kind of a 
doctor that ought to piss you 

1014
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,800
off and you ought to be looking 
for a way to fix that and that's

1015
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:22,800
what I'm doing. 
You know? 

1016
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,500
It's pretty cool man. 
I really respect. 

1017
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,600
Where you going to matter 
because most doctors at my dad's

1018
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,000
Professor, he's, he's a doctor 
of science is not a medical 

1019
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,300
doctor, but a lot of, you know, 
doctors they think very old 

1020
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:39,600
school with regards to media 
and, you know, influencing and 

1021
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,200
for me, you know, I'm not a 
doctor. 

1022
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,600
I would say I'm a social-media 
influencer influencer marketing,

1023
00:50:44,607 --> 00:50:47,900
business owner, you know, 
nutrition bodybuilder. 

1024
00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:51,400
So like for me doing YouTube and
like, seeing the impact that 

1025
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,000
that's made, like the podcast 
needs to get my whatnot, but to 

1026
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,900
see you as a doctor. 
Doctor Who's come up, you know, 

1027
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:01,900
through the traditional thought 
process and just totally, you 

1028
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:04,000
know, smacking out in the face 
and turn your back to it and 

1029
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,400
then doing what you're doing now
with like the media and 

1030
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,300
impacting people on a much 
broader scale. 

1031
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:10,600
Like I really, really respect 
that man like more than you 

1032
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,400
realize. 
Well, I appreciate that very 

1033
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,900
much and I I can promise you 
that I'll never stop regardless 

1034
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:19,800
of what gets in my way. 
I don't know, man. 

1035
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,300
You got the right look for sure 
for sure. 

1036
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:24,900
Well, dr. 
Ken Berry, what can people go to

1037
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:27,400
find out more about you? 
Well, you can check out my 

1038
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,700
YouTube channel if you just 
search. 

1039
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,600
Dr. Barry on YouTube, I think 
I'll pop up pretty close to the 

1040
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,800
top and then on Facebook, I have
a page, I do a lot of work 

1041
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,900
again. 
I think searching doctor burial,

1042
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:41,500
get me and I've got a website in
a Twitter and Instagram and all 

1043
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:43,400
that stuff. 
If that's your thing I'm on 

1044
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,900
there too. 
And then I have the book 

1045
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:50,800
currently for sale on Amazon. 
It's a paperback or a Kindle and

1046
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,400
it's called lies, my doctor told
me. 

1047
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:56,700
And so now you can get the In 
addition, which will soon be a 

1048
00:51:56,707 --> 00:51:59,700
collector's item because there 
will be a second edition out 

1049
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:01,800
soon. 
In the first conditional be off 

1050
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,300
the market. 
Awesome, awesome, dr. 

1051
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:06,000
Maggie man. 
It's been an absolute pleasure. 

1052
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:08,400
I appreciate the time and I will
be in touch because I ain't 

1053
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,900
lying, man. 
I'll come to Tennessee and I'll 

1054
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:13,300
get that blood panel done and 
we'll catch up and face to face.

1055
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:15,800
Hey, come see me brother, will 
do it Tennessee style? 

1056
00:52:16,500 --> 00:52:18,100
Yeah buddy, take anybody 
lightly.