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Hello, ladies and gents Robert 
Sykes. 

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Ketose amazon.com coming back at
you. 

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Another podcast this time. 
I've got special guest. 

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Dr. Bill Schindler on the line 
thoroughly thoroughly. 

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Enjoy this conversation. 
This is the second time I've had

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him on the show and every time 
we talk, I mean, it's like 

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Kindred Spirits. 
Here. 

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We talk about our passion for 
Native American history and 

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honestly just our upbringing as 
a species, what we ate to evolve

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to what we are. 
Now how we procured that food, 

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the tools that we use to process
that food and just just What we 

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eat and how to eat like humans, 
which is the name of his book. 

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His new book eat like a human. 
So we Dove super deep into that 

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and we talked about we talked 
about a lot of things but I 

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thoroughly enjoyed the 
conversation. 

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If you have any interest 
whatsoever in kind of our our 

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evolutionary past or history as 
a species from a developmental 

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standpoint from a food and 
nutrition standpoint, you will 

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find Value in this conversation 
and I've got no doubt that you 

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will enjoy every single minute 
of it. 

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So without further Ado, sit 
back, relax and enjoy the 

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podcast with dr. 
Bill. 

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Schindler. 
We are lab. 

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Dr. Bill Schindler. 
How are you, sir? 

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Good, how are you? 
I'm doing wonderful woman. 

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I'm excited to get you back 
home. 

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We talked like I said, I don't 
remember what month or year. 

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It's been. 
It's been quite a while ago now.

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But we talked about Evolution 
how we have evolved to eat what 

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we do the tools that we use to 
do such. 

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But you've recently had a new 
Book come out. 

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Eat like humans is what's 
called, right? 

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Yep, like a human nourishing 
foods and ancient ways of 

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cooking to revolutionize your 
health. 

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I am super excited about it. 
Yeah, man, I'm super excited for

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you. 
So this is a topic that I've 

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always been super interested in 
before keto and nutrition or any

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of that stuff. 
My first Passion was Native 

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American history, and just how 
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lived prior to on the 
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we are, you know, comfy all the 
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nowadays with, I guess. 
So before we dive into the book,

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man, give me some backstory for 
people that have not heard the 

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first conversation that we hand.
What got you into this, you 

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know, this, this area of study 
to begin with. 

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Well, you know, we, I think we 
share a lot in common. 

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My, I was so passionate, 
especially early in life with 

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Native Americans and ancient 
ways of living my father, had me

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out hunting and fishing and 
trapping all the time, which was

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a huge deal. 
Because I grew up in a suburb in

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New Jersey suburbs in New York 
City, and it was quite an effort

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to To get me to a place where we
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I was forging and we were 
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Fields and and all of that. 
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growing up. 
I had this great connection, my 

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parents, great connection to the
outdoors, Career Connection to 

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my past. 
But man, I was battling. 

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I was battling weight. 
I was battling metabolic 

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disease. 
I was, I was, I was really 

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unhealthy relationship with 
food, and it was so strange 

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because so much in my life. 
It was centered on places that I

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could find the answers. 
The problems that I was facing. 

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I just didn't know to look there
because I just going to Tricia 

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nest and listening to diet books
and all those sorts of things. 

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My doctors, and it wasn't until 
I started to get. 

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Do my graduate work for, my PhD,
in archaeology that. 

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I realized that all of these, 
all these interests and hobbies 

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have had my entire life were 
held the keys to understanding, 

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how to battle my issues with 
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health. 
And when I started putting those

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two things, Things together and 
special diets, and diet, and 

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health. 
And those sorts of things that I

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really started to not only 
Revolution my own revolutionize,

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my own health, but feed my 
family in the most nourishing 

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way possible. 
And it's been a several decades 

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Journey for me. 
It started with archaeology and 

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more recently over the past 15 
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My family and I have traveled 
all over the world and live and 

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work with indigenous and 
traditional groups and how they 

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cooked and how they process and 
repaired their foods. 

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And I my wife and I realized We 
have learned so much and how to 

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feed our own family that we 
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and that's resulted in this 
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I love him and I feel like, you 
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probably all are guilty of it at
some point in time, but we get 

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so caught up in all the the 
advancements that we make as a 

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species and we often times do so
at our own demise because we 

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just assume that things that 
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But I've had this Reawakening, 
so to speak, since I've kind of,

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you know, went on the ketogenic 
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About just kind of returning to 
more of what's worked. 

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So well in the past because in 
certain areas like our societal 

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Health, as a case in point, 
things just have not gotten 

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better. 
So kind of winding the clock 

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back the other way and going 
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Roots. 
I think that is absolutely 

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Paramount in so many different 
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And you know, what's really 
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Is it all depends on how you 
frame the discussion and it 

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bring the argument and what you 
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So I use I used to teach a 
watching the college. 

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I was a professor there for 
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archaeology anthropology and 
food related courses and I would

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start almost every class and I'd
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I'd say, listen guys. 
Tell me what you think are, you 

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know, these wonderful 
advancements of modern day life.

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And I feel the board up with all
these Advanced which I know and 

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they would always say the same 
thing like modern Healthcare 

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System and doctors and you know,
convenient foods and Do those 

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sorts of things? 
And then we would really kick 

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them apart and we change reframe
the discussion, senior. 

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What we compare this to the 
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really valuable here. 
What is advancement, really, 

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really mean? 
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what our health, we look at and 
our ancestors skeletons and not 

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and even if you go back, even 
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thousand years and you look at a
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look at the amazing Health that 
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Wade, we you start to reframe 
that discussion about the need 

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for a modern medicine at the 
beaver doctors that need for 

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these sorts of things and, and 
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We thought the Army's everybody 
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greatest advancements of Modern 
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My students are overseas and 
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Well, when you look at 
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these egalitarian societies, 
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There was, there was violence. 
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There's no doubt, but there was 
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Warfare. 
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So when you reframe the 
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the context of our strong firm 
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It really changes all these 
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When we think about advancement 
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food processing, which is where 
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And if you say food processing, 
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bad thing. 
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Modern food system, because most
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is processing, the food for the 
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company or some small group of 
people incredibly Rich at the 

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expense of our health, but food 
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literally 3.4 million years was 
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increasing the safety, nutrient 
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foods. 
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result of food processing. 
We were able to fuel our growing

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bodies and brains and make our 
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So again, that word advancement 
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understand what it really means,
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And I think the right way to do 
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understanding of our past. 
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I totally agree. 
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certain advancements. 
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know, I want to go to a modern, 
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opposed to, what would have been
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value, but with things like as 
as chronic as just underlying 

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health issues that people are 
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diabetes, things of that nature 
like Most of that was just not 

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an issue way back in the day and
you know, people look at you 

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know, it goes Way Beyond food to
like I had a podcast last week 

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about light exposure and how 
people are just totally wrecking

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their natural circadian rhythms 
because of all the screens are 

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constantly gazing into. 
So like just simply going back 

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to more of a holistic circadian.
Rhythm, you know, you wake up in

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the sun comes up, you go to 
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simple. 
As that may sound. 

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That is like there's so much 
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like when you bring in all these
new variables, like the The cell

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phones and the you know constant
Netflix binge has that people 

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are on nowadays. 
It's not doing anything for your

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health in the positive way. 
No, and especially one because a

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lot of what you just mentioned 
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It's an every single day habit 
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like with our food system, these
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system. 
While one of them might not be a

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huge deal, getting a little bit 
of sleep or screwing up our 

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circadian rhythm, or, you know, 
one time a week or something 

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like that might not be a big 
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day. 
After day, week after week, 

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month after month year after 
year old these things build up 

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and create the situation that 
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was a huge push back about 10 
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Community against this 
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And I do want to make sure that 
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necessarily doing that or really
none of us are it was this idea?

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There was a book called Shoot 
forget the name of the book, but

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it was a book. 
That was very, very popular 

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about 10 years ago that was 
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that people understood that the 
past wasn't all rainbows and 

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unicorns, and I think we can 
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wonderful things of the past. 
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understanding that it was All 
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example, a lot of babies died in
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different reasons we can 
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people worked incredibly hard to
get their food and they were in 

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the face of extreme elements 
sometimes in the and those sorts

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of things and that's fine. 
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But at the same time we have to 
realize that for the majority of

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three and a Half million years, 
what are and the Very fact that 

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you and I are sitting here 
having this conversation and 

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that were doing. 
So in relatively large bodies 

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with massive brains compared to 
other mammals means that what 

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they were doing in the past. 
As a whole, not Overlook all the

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diversity of different times in 
different places in the world, 

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but as a whole our ancestors 
were doing so well with how they

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were living and dealing with the
elements dealing with the 

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outside world and most. 
My mind dealing with the natural

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resources and doing things those
resources to make them as safe 

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and hurting as possible for 
their bodies that they literally

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built us as a species, both 
biologically and culturally 

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through their advancements and 
we can't Overlook that. 

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So I still think that the best 
way for us to try to sort of get

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her hit that refresh button and 
try to understand the best way 

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to deal. 
With our really stone-age 

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bodies. 
I mean, are we are peered 

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300,000 years ago as modern-day 
Homo sapiens, but the same light

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needs rest needs. 
Nutritional needs as we have 

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today. 
The best way to even begin to 

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understand, it is to have that 
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our best. 
Yeah. 

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I'm 100% agree and it's 
interesting because you know, 

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I'm 30 years old when I look 
back at you know, how I was 

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brought up like the textbooks 
that I was familiar with, you 

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know going through school grade 
school even like It shows, you 

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know, the advancements that 
we've made over the Millennia 

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and what an early humans life 
look like, you know, and there's

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oftentimes pictures of came in 
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tiger leg or something, you 
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just A lot of division in that 
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growing, you know, we we can't 
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know, here we are, having are a 
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archaeological sites and no 
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mathematical, very scientific. 
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artifact out of the ground, 
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archaeologists try to be. 
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plants were incredibly important
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wrong. 
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downplay die in my mind, as a 
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political and social things 
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of the role of animals and our 
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advisor for my graduate degree 
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eastern North America and he's 
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that the role of humans and 
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all that has played a role in 
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prehistoric sites. 
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like me and Mickey bender and 
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anthropologists, who 
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animal Foods, especially awful 
and fat played an essential role

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in us becoming human. 
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to be as unbiased as possible. 
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several different archaeologists
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perspectives interpreting the 
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with, with different ideas about
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It is to make a, you know, a 
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kind of time periods that I'm 
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millions of years. 
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diversity throughout time, but 
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these things are happening in 
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are happening later in parts of 
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ton of diversity and resources, 
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things that we can't Overlook 
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answer your Yes, there is a 
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vision and even in the 
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anthropological committee on 
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really interesting, you know, 
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people early species that are 
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that are going to prioritize the
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because that's going to be the 
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analysis. 
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greater currency calories, being
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account that there may be a 
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after a, woolly mammoth and 
there is and, you know, scraping

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up some some root fibers, but I 
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end of day like, if you're 
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two people that, you know, a 
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potentially bring down something
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currency. 
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sense to put your your eggs in 
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work and I wholeheartedly agree 
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a conversation and argument like
that on top of that, we're 

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talking about. 
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you look at the Technologies, 
which is where my focus is over 

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the past three and a half 
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created to help them gain access
to nutrition in different 

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resources. 
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A lot of effort was put into 
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our Physical limitations and 
being able to hunt from a 

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distance and throw Spears or 
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throwing sticks or bows and 
arrows or whatever. 

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It was. 
A lot of effort goes into the 

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actual caption Technologies 
related to the capture of that 

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animal. 
But as soon as you take that 

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animal down, the only thing you 
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have almost complete access. 
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Almost all the nutrients safely 
have complete access to almost 

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all the nutrients inside of that
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In fact, the same some cases 
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Cooking them gets rid of some of
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and devoured and get access to 
incredible nutrition on the 

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other hand. 
If you look at the technologies 

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that were developed over time, 
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plants, it's not as much about 
the getting of the plants, 

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right? 
It's about what you do when you 

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get that plant because every 
single plant has toxins in it 

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and you have to be Deal with, 
especially wild plants, you have

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to deal with those toxins before
you can safely consume that 

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food. 
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plants do have nutrition in 
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Most of that nutrition is locked
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accessible to our bodies. 
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especially again, with wild 
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You need to either cook them or 
dehydrate them, or ferment them,

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or eat them with clay, or do a 
whole host of other things even 

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gain access to safely, gain 
access to the nutrients and 

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those plants. 
So, again, on top of the, you 

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know, It's easy and he's right. 
It's easy to stand back and say,

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oh my gosh, taking down a woolly
mammoth gives you a hell of a 

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lot more calories than been 
digging plants and you know all 

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the sorts of stuff and it's true
but then there's that fine 

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minutiae of okay, once that 
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have this pile of roots or the 
style of whatever, the special 

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material is. 
What do you have to do to 

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overcome your, physical 
limitations as a human and are 

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incredibly inefficient. 
Digestive tracts, the accessed 

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safely and effectively the 
nutrients that Are in that in 

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that food, that's sitting in 
front of you. 

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And then, then his argument is 
even more even more valid. 

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Yeah, I agree. 
And I feel like, I mean, I've 

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heard arguments from from Amber 
O'Hearn that show, you know, 

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slides of the digestive tract of
a human being versus that of an 

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orangutan. 
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you know, everything is just so 
much more shorter. 

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I mean our digestive tract, some
is more similar to a predatory 

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cat than it is, you know, a 
primate. 

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And I feel like that alone, you 
know, that that should have a 

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pretty good indicating Factor 
there and The people on the 

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opposing side. 
That's a just, just look at our 

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teeth. 
You know, look at our teeth are 

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teeth are not that of a 
predatory can't, but my argument

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is that if you have tools, if 
you have sharp objects, and 

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there's no need to evolve the 
teeth to tap into that resource.

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Anyways, I've absolutely we 
haven't need needed sharp 

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canines for three and a half 
million years. 

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Once we created when you can we 
can create a sharp edge in less 

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than a second that is sharper 
than any tooth on any animal on 

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the planet in less than a 
second. 

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So We don't that that Pete, the 
tooth argument makes absolutely 

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no sense. 
But you know, the obverse of the

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other side of that. 
What you said about the 

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digestive tract is incredibly 
important. 

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Our digestive tract is 60%, the 
size that it should be for a 

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primate of a similar size as us 
right at 60%, that size. 

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So that that talks everything 
about length, small intestinal 

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length for the, you know, the 
amount of time that food can sit

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in the small intestines. 
The nutrients can be absorbed 

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the size of the stomach, which 
Greatly impacts the amount of 

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food that we can eat in any 
given time. 

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All of these things are point to
the need and for us as humans to

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process our food properly before
it even goes into our mouths and

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we have to do this. 
We are only. 

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I'm convinced humans are only 
perfectly designed to consume 

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one food at a certain time in 
our life. 

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I mean, if you think about it, 
other other wild animals. 

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Other animals and specifically 
wild animals are designed by 

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logical design eating diets that
they eat. 

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They eat a certain food that 
they have, the right equipment, 

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right inside of their bodies to 
deal with and everything works 

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out. 
Fine. 

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Humans are different because 
we've created these Technologies

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to access all sorts of resources
that we had. 

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Absolutely no business eating. 
We require, we started creating 

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processing food, outside of our 
bodies, our bodies jump in size 

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our brains jump inside. 
The same time that our digestive

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tract was actually getting 
smaller. 

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We require these Technologies to
process the food before it goes 

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and that's one of the major 
differences between humans and 

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other animals. 
So the only food, the only food 

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that we are biologically 
designed to consume as humans is

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dairy from our mothers when 
we're infants and then when we 

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start weaning ourselves off, 
just like all other mammals do, 

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when when mammals infants are 
weaned off of breast milk or 

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mother's milk. 
Luke, they cease or slow down 

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the production of certain 
enzymes, like lactase and 

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Thomas, and these other sorts of
things that allow us to safely 

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do it and then they get gonna go
on the diets that they're 

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designed to consume. 
But humans are different, right?

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Humans. 
We were eating prior to any 

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Technologies. 
We were eating a limited amount 

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of wild, fruits and vegetables 
and insects. 

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That's it. 
So, when we started introducing 

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technologies, that allowed us to
butcher later, one that allowed 

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us to cook and Hunt and then 
ferment, and then to practice 

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things like mr. 
Motivation or geology, or eating

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Earthly food at the same time. 
Then we started to get access, 

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you know, we started the out. 
Eat our digestive tract and 

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access. 
All these nutrients from 

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environment that we never had 
access to before, and our bodies

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and brains responded. 
And now, here we are, as is 

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modern-day humans with these 
huge bodies in these huge brains

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police. 
Incredibly intensive nutritional

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requirements, but we're not 
biologically equipped to access.

453
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:20,300
Them, without the right sorts of
technology, and it work forever.

454
00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:23,600
But now, the technology, that's,
that's, that's guiding. 

455
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,800
Our modern food system is not 
working in our favor. 

456
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,100
It's not working towards safety 
and nutrient, density and 

457
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:32,300
nutrient bioavailability. 
It's actually processing food at

458
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:34,400
the expense of all of those 
things. 

459
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,500
And I think that's where we 
really need to put our energy 

460
00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:39,300
and our Focus. 
Because most of us are worried 

461
00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:41,800
about what reading and what are 
we putting into our mouths? 

462
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,000
Should we be drinking? 
Dairy? 

463
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,200
Should we be eating bread? 
Should we be eating protein to 

464
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,300
reduce? 
While all those things are 

465
00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:50,200
important for missing, is that 
larger picture? 

466
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,200
That that how are we eating? 
How are we pregnant? 

467
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,900
Because how we're processing, 
Dairy makes a very important 

468
00:24:58,900 --> 00:25:01,500
distinction between other. 
Not that final food is something

469
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,800
we should consume or something. 
We should never put into our 

470
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,400
mouths. 
How are we processing grains? 

471
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,200
How are we, how are we dealing 
with animals? 

472
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:10,100
How are we doing with a just? 
But literally every food that's 

473
00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:14,200
in our food scape, the 
technology involved with how 

474
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,000
that food is being processed. 
Is something we need to pay 

475
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,500
attention to. 
And when you look at most of the

476
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,200
people, like you said in the 
beginning, people just assume 

477
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,200
processing itself as a bad word.
I mean, simply taking a knife to

478
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,900
a tenderloin is technically 
processing. 

479
00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:32,200
When you, when you start looking
at how most food is processed 

480
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,800
these days like, everything. 
I mean, everything is prioritize

481
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,200
from a profit standpoint. 
So oftentimes nutrients are 

482
00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:44,600
absolved and you're just getting
remaining calories in bulk and 

483
00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:47,600
using like process seat. 
That are how the oxidative and 

484
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,100
inflammatory as the the main, 
you know, source of calories. 

485
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,600
So when you look at what we have
evolved to eat from a processing

486
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,500
standpoint, you know, like is 
there like a, you know, a T20 

487
00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:01,800
now so to speak. 
Like if everybody kind of fell 

488
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,300
into this category that would 
that would cure most issues or 

489
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:08,100
is there so much individuality 
and that regard as well? 

490
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,300
So what you devalue quality into
what he mean in actual people, 

491
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:15,700
or their food choices on 
understand what you mean? 

492
00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:18,900
Yeah, like into into the people 
independent of the food choices,

493
00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:20,900
so to speak. 
Because I mean, a lot of people 

494
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,500
like, it's interesting man. 
We start diving into nutritional

495
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:27,400
choices, you know, I've said in 
the podcast before, like every 

496
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,400
other animal out, there has a 
specific diet that is, that is 

497
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,600
fit for the animal. 
Like we all know what lions eat.

498
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,800
We all know what dogs eat, we 
all know what dolphins eat, but 

499
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,700
you look at humans and that's 
the one species that nobody 

500
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:40,000
knows. 
What the hell are supposed to 

501
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,600
eat and it's like, it's comical.
You know, I know what I like to 

502
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:45,800
eat. 
But I mean, you can make a 

503
00:26:45,808 --> 00:26:48,300
pretty good argument that 
there's people thriving on all 

504
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:50,900
corners of the world, eating 
vastly different diet. 

505
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:52,700
So, I don't know how much of 
that is genetic. 

506
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:55,800
How much of that is, you know, 
hereditary how much of that is, 

507
00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:00,300
you know, locational based 
environmental, but bringing it 

508
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:02,900
to an argument from like a 
processing standpoint, and what 

509
00:27:02,900 --> 00:27:05,200
tools were used to produce that 
food. 

510
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:07,900
I like that argument. 
That, that makes sense to me. 

511
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:12,800
Yeah, I think I think a great 
way to what may have started to 

512
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,500
to describe this. 
Now, as you know, we know that 

513
00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:19,400
humans are omnivores, but we 
know that it's in all the 

514
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,700
textbooks in the Biology book. 
Humans are omnivores, but what 

515
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:27,800
we fail to recognize is that 
we're not omnivores by Design, 

516
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:31,200
we're omnivores bike technology.
We are not designed to be 

517
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,100
omnivores, but we figured out 
ways through technology. 

518
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:37,800
And again, these are incredibly 
basic Technologies, many cases, 

519
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:40,800
stone tools. 
Fire fermentation, those sorts 

520
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,300
of things through those 
Technologies. 

521
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:47,800
We have out eating right? 
Our digestive tracts and figured

522
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,500
out ways to subsist and in some 
cases thrive on a variety of 

523
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:55,300
different resources that were 
not necessarily. 

524
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:59,000
This is the hard part two graphs
that were not necessarily 

525
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,000
biologically designed to 
consume, but we biologically 

526
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,100
need the nutrition from and 
again, I know that's strange, 

527
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:10,200
but let me let me We back that 
up real quick. 

528
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,500
Remember, we started three over 
millions and millions of years 

529
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:17,500
ago, eating only with if we have
no Technologies whatsoever. 

530
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,300
And we're just think about us 
shrunk down to a full grown 

531
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:24,900
adult about three and a half 
feet, tall brain the size of my 

532
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:30,100
fist and throw you out into the 
African Wilderness and say live.

533
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,600
And once your weaned off your 
mother, you every food that you 

534
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,900
get, you have to collect with 
your hands and process with your

535
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:38,700
teeth in your inefficient 
digestive tract. 

536
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:42,900
So you are literally eating a 
limited amount of wild plants 

537
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,200
and insects that that that's 
literally what you're eating. 

538
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,600
And and that's why we were a 
small as we won't stay too 

539
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,700
small. 
You were until we invented our 

540
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:56,100
first stone tool, 3.0 3.3 
million years ago and all of a 

541
00:28:56,108 --> 00:28:58,600
sudden. 
Now, we were Scavenging, the the

542
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,400
flesh left on dead animals on 
the savanna that were killed by 

543
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,800
another animal. 
And then we grew a little bit 

544
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,600
and then at about 2 million 
years when we develop hunting 

545
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,800
technology, we had First access 
to the entirety of the animal 

546
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,000
and that we weren't left with, 
just the flesh or we could eat 

547
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,300
the blood, the fat and the 
organs, most nutrient dense, and

548
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:18,000
bioavailable parts these 
animals. 

549
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,800
And then we created firing to 
cook our foods and we invented 

550
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,800
fermentation, and a whole host 
of other technologies that 

551
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:30,400
allowed us to slowly. 
Obtain more and more diverse 

552
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:33,500
nutrients from our environment 
and process them. 

553
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:36,600
So our bodies could actually 
access safely and efficiently. 

554
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,200
The nutrients that were in those
foods and every time we're doing

555
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,000
this our bodies responded, 
right? 

556
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,800
And we got, we grew in size and 
our brains grow in size. 

557
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:48,900
So, we were literally 
domesticating ourselves over 

558
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:51,500
millions of years. 
The point where now, here we are

559
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:55,100
in these modern bodies and 
modern brains that if I took 

560
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:57,100
anybody. 
And I don't care, I don't care 

561
00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:59,800
who Or if your Bear Grylls, if 
you're the best survival sin, 

562
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,900
the world that you all did and a
wild plants and do all the 

563
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:05,800
behavior patterns of animals and
knew how to survive and threw 

564
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,700
you in the middle of the woods 
with no Technologies whatsoever.

565
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,200
We would all die because we 
would not be able to support and

566
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,100
nutritional needs of these 
bodies without creating the 

567
00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:20,500
Technologies needed to process 
these materials from our 

568
00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:22,300
environment. 
That's, I mean, that's the 

569
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:26,300
reality in the fragility of our 
species, and we don't see much 

570
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:28,600
of that because most of us, Us 
are so disconnected from our 

571
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,100
food system that a lot of the 
food processing and all those 

572
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:35,400
things are happening, you know, 
behind the scenes, but our we 

573
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,000
require Technologies to process 
food to make it a safe inertia 

574
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,900
as possible and and that's just 
the reality of it. 

575
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:44,300
Yeah, that makes total sense in 
my mind. 

576
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,500
I've heard Arguments for our 
brain development, the Catalyst 

577
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:54,000
for brain development, being a 
mutation and that increased 

578
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,400
brain development is what led to
us. 

579
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,100
Having the wherewithal to create
tools, is it that way or do you 

580
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:04,700
view it more? 
So as you know, we were able to 

581
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:08,100
just kind of happenstance upon 
something sharp, and then we 

582
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:11,800
started be able to have access 
to scavenged remains and then 

583
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,000
eventually, you know, first 
choice on these animals and that

584
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,200
was the Catalyst for the for the
brain development. 

585
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,800
What's the? 
It's kind of like a classic 

586
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,300
chicken or egg and kind of 
question, you know, it is a 

587
00:31:23,308 --> 00:31:25,600
chicken and an egg argument and 
I don't know the answer, but 

588
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,500
I'll tell you a few things that 
they got at least my way of 

589
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:32,900
thinking about it. 
The first thing is one thing we,

590
00:31:32,900 --> 00:31:36,600
oh, I think we have any clear 
about is getting more nutrition,

591
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:40,000
whether or not it's because 
we're hunting or Scavenging or 

592
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,300
whatever. 
We're doing, didn't wasn't the 

593
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:46,400
Catalyst for larger brains and 
larger bodies. 

594
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:50,000
Now, I was doing a TV peace in 
Ireland a few years ago and we 

595
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,800
were, you know, we're making 
some tools and Butcher and 

596
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,000
things out and but old know 
anything, the Wilderness in 

597
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,700
Ireland. 
And the host, they asked me 

598
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:57,900
since, you know about this, In 
Excel. 

599
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,600
What if you just read a 
chimpanzee, a whole bunch of 

600
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,000
food, a whole bunch of meat 
right now with their brains get 

601
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,500
bigger. 
So, no, you'd have a well-fed 

602
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:12,000
chimpanzees, his reality of it. 
It wasn't that we were 

603
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:19,700
Increasing our, you know, 
dietary nutrition and it was 

604
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:21,300
pushing our brains and our 
bodies get bigger. 

605
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,200
There was some other catalysts 
or a host of other catalysts 

606
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,600
that were happening. 
That was the spark and the 

607
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,900
increased nutritional 
availability is what allowed 

608
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:34,500
those changes to actually 
supported those changes over 

609
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:37,800
time. 
And I don't want us to have the 

610
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,000
idea either that it was a, it 
was a one-time thing. 

611
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,300
It was like, oh, all of a sudden
that too many Our brains jump in

612
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:47,000
size, until only time it 
happened. 

613
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,600
If you look at and I wish I had 
a chart to show you, but if you,

614
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,600
if you started at even three and
a half million years ago and 

615
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:59,400
shorted the brain growth 
development through time. 

616
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,500
It's not this species has a 
certain brain size and then all 

617
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:05,600
of a sudden. 
The next species has a brain 

618
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,400
size, a little bigger in the 
next species, a little bit 

619
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,500
bigger, but it's not the way 
that it worked. 

620
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,400
It was if you look at that 
individual species over time, 

621
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,700
some of these species These are 
on the planet for millions of 

622
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:17,700
years. 
They have a certain brain size 

623
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:21,000
when they first appear and they 
whatever they were doing. 

624
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,300
Whatever the spark was. 
Whatever the nutritional back up

625
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:28,200
that supported. 
It was their brains were growing

626
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:32,700
as they were on this planet 
right over thousands hundreds of

627
00:33:32,708 --> 00:33:36,600
thousands millions of years. 
So if you take saying also put 

628
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,600
the same when they first 
appeared in office has seen when

629
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,500
they became extinct, their 
brains are much larger at the 

630
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:43,800
end and they were in the 
beginning. 

631
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:46,700
Thing for Homo habilis. 
Same thing for Homo erectus same

632
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:49,300
thing for neanderthals, but 
what's interesting is when you 

633
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:55,600
hit Homo sapiens, we appear with
a certain brain size at 300,000 

634
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,800
years ago, and it plateaus. 
In fact, it's not only straight 

635
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,600
line. 
Our brains are actually slightly

636
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,300
smaller now than they were three
hundred thousand years ago. 

637
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:10,000
So, I bring this up because it 
wasn't one event wasn't one 

638
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,600
food. 
It wasn't one thing that allowed

639
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,800
this to happen. 
It was a multitude of factors. 

640
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,400
Some, we have some ideas about 
and I'll explain them in just a 

641
00:34:17,408 --> 00:34:19,900
minute. 
Some we have yet to discover, 

642
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:22,500
but it was consistently 
happening over time. 

643
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:25,400
Now, certainly in certain 
periods of time like a 2 million

644
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,400
years ago when we start humping 
and develop fire Technologies, 

645
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,500
our brains and bodies jump in 
size our brains exponentially 

646
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:34,300
grow. 
So I think it was a huge. 

647
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,100
I think those hunting and Fire. 
I played in it a huge role in 

648
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:41,100
the development of our 
ancestors. 

649
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,300
But again throughout the 
entirety of three million years 

650
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:47,199
up until more recent times, our 
brains and bodies will 

651
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,000
continuously growing even within
the same species. 

652
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,699
Now, there's been a lot of ideas
about what that worked at 

653
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:55,900
Catalyst. 
Might be, I've heard everything 

654
00:34:55,900 --> 00:35:02,700
from the hallucinogenic drugs 
which allowed us to potentially 

655
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:07,300
think outside of the box and you
know, expand our brain Ends that

656
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:10,000
then that was the Catalyst 
supported by this food. 

657
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:13,100
There's, there's a valid 
argument several arguments that 

658
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:15,400
have to do with increased 
population size. 

659
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,000
And as you know, and anybody 
listening to this knows one of 

660
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,300
the most taxing things for our 
brains is creating and 

661
00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:26,800
maintaining relationships. 
And the more people that we have

662
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,900
access to more difficult. 
That is and it requires 

663
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:35,200
literally complex thinking and 
if we started as a band of know,

664
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,200
six, seven, eight, nine, ten, 
Twelve people. 

665
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:41,400
And then those groups were 
growing and growing and growing 

666
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,000
and developing more complex City
that alone could be. 

667
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:48,800
It's a very simplistic argument,
but that could be one of the 

668
00:35:48,808 --> 00:35:53,200
catalysts to force our brains to
get a little bit bigger. 

669
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,700
And again thinking outside of 
the box got you ain't got you. 

670
00:35:56,700 --> 00:36:00,000
So this is super fancy to me 
because you know, kind of going 

671
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,800
back to that, you know, early 
childhood textbooks, things like

672
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,400
everything that I saw was look, 
we started eating more. 

673
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:09,500
Meet and we started having 
access to better nutrition and 

674
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:11,600
that was the Catalyst, but then 
like you said with the 

675
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,500
chimpanzee, like if you give 
them a bunch of ribs, they're 

676
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:17,500
not necessary and get smarter. 
So I like the I mean, I think 

677
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:21,300
the concept of there being some 
type of genetic mutation that is

678
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:24,400
evolving from generation to 
generation that's leading to 

679
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,400
this increased. 
Brain development, makes sense. 

680
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,200
But either way, we're getting 
bigger brains, and we're using 

681
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,900
that increased knowledge to 
develop tools and processing 

682
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:38,400
techniques. 
Deprioritize and meet more so 

683
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,300
than anything else, I would? 
Yes, although I would say animal

684
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,600
more than just me, right? 
That's I think that's a huge 

685
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,900
piece of it. 
But yes, to prioritize animal 

686
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:51,100
resources over over other 
things. 

687
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,400
I'm confident that because when 
you look at it from like a 

688
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,500
locational base standpoint, like
when all this is going down, you

689
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:00,100
said, Homo sapiens. 
Come into the picture about 

690
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:04,700
300,000 years ago. 
I mean, when was the last ice 

691
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:08,100
age in which the availability? 
In abundance of vegetation of 

692
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:13,700
just significantly diminished. 
The last ice age ended between 

693
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:15,200
twelve and fifteen thousand 
years ago. 

694
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:17,400
So it did, there were tons of 
ice ages. 

695
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:23,200
And so the most recent one ended
about told 15,000 years ago and 

696
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,100
there was like, even when there 
was not an Ice Age per se in 

697
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:30,900
occurrence, there wasn't near 
the Panacea of vegetation to 

698
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:34,800
pick from, you know, throughout 
the globe like there is now 

699
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,600
because we're able to, you know,
farming, all the advances we've 

700
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,700
made from an agricultural 
standpoint have led to Greater 

701
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:42,700
abundance. 
In you know plants as a food 

702
00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:45,800
source, but like before all that
technological advancement came, 

703
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,300
I guess I shouldn't say 
advancement but just technology 

704
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:51,500
came there was nothing near the 
abundance of vegetation. 

705
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:54,700
So there is a larger percentage 
of the species, the human 

706
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:58,600
species that had to rely more 
heavily on meat as opposed to 

707
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,100
getting all of their needs met 
through vegetation, correct? 

708
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:07,700
Oh 100% And and again remember 
that it's not as simple, you 

709
00:38:07,700 --> 00:38:10,900
know, I think. 
What when I used to fall into 

710
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:14,800
this trap, this idea that, when 
we're thinking about how people 

711
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,000
in the past had access to 
different, plant resources, the 

712
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,400
Imaging in my head used to be. 
Oh, what is it like in the 

713
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,900
produce section of the grocery 
store that you can just go in 

714
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:25,000
with your, with your shopping 
cart? 

715
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,400
Just load your shopping cart 
that and that's what the the 

716
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,700
outside world was to them. 
That's not the case not. 

717
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:34,400
Again, even the plants in your 
grocery store every single 

718
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,900
plant, on this planet has some 
level of toxin in some are 

719
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:40,100
fairly benign. 
Some will kill you outright. 

720
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:42,600
Many of them will build up in 
your body over time and cause 

721
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,900
chronic issues later, but all 
plants even in the grocery 

722
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:47,700
store. 
Have some level of toxin in them

723
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:50,700
that we have to consider as 
you're making choices about what

724
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:53,400
you're going to consume how much
when and how we're going to 

725
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,100
process them. 
But that's, that's more 

726
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:03,700
important when we're looking at 
wild plants and the need for 

727
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:07,700
technology to process these 
Foods before we eat them. 

728
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:09,500
It's not as simple as. 
Oh, that's a planet. 

729
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:10,800
They pick it up. 
Going to eat it. 

730
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,400
So there's a plant. 
I need to understand that plant.

731
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,500
What do I have to do to that 
plant to make it safe to eat? 

732
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:17,500
And what do I have to do to make
those nutrients in it available 

733
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:20,600
to me? 
And then only then can I consume

734
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,600
it. 
And if you look at the staple 

735
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:29,600
foods, in a lot of and even 
still living traditional 

736
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:35,100
societies, things like manioc, 
South America, or potatoes in 

737
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:39,100
parts of South America, the wild
version of those plants were 

738
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:42,500
incredibly. 
Toxic like will kill you toxic 

739
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:45,400
and required extensive 
processing in order to make them

740
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,700
safe to eat. 
So here we are with looking at 

741
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:52,900
the staple foods of a lot of 
groups around the world that 

742
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,600
were incredibly toxic plants 
that. 

743
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,700
Either a lot of the toxins were 
bred out of them through 

744
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:03,900
selective pressure and 
agriculture, or they're still 

745
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:06,300
using processing techniques to 
overcome. 

746
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:11,500
Those toxins. 
Manioc is Pez a Sinai producing 

747
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:13,800
compound in it. 
That requires extensive 

748
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,300
processing from grading and 
drying, and fermenting. 

749
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:19,900
And then if you do it wrong, 
there's still people that die 

750
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:23,100
every year from from poisoning, 
from it. 

751
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:25,600
There's potatoes that are still 
growing today. 

752
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:28,400
I just, I did research a couple 
years ago in Bolivia and Peru 

753
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:35,800
with aymara and quechua groups, 
where they're still growing is 

754
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,100
incredibly toxic versions of 
potatoes, and they're either 

755
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:42,200
fermenting them from Over six 
months in a picnic ground to 

756
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,500
detoxify them, or other groups 
are literally eating potatoes 

757
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:47,600
with clay. 
At the same time, the clay binds

758
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,800
to the toxins in the potato and 
pass safely through their 

759
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,100
digestive tract. 
Well, they can get the nutrients

760
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:56,500
from them. 
So, you know, even if we're 

761
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:59,000
talking about a group of people 
that want to be massive 

762
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,900
quantities of plants, it's not 
like walking through the produce

763
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:04,900
section of the grocery store 
with a shopping cart. 

764
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:08,000
Yeah, totally. 
And I mean, I'm not a hardcore, 

765
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,000
you know, beat my drum 
carnivore, by any means. 

766
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,700
Ends and say that, you know, 
humans should only eat meat and 

767
00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:16,300
every vegans, you know, totally 
incorrect. 

768
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:20,200
However, there's so many people,
you know, from the vegan based 

769
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,800
community that say I just want 
to return to what is more 

770
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,600
natural and you know, kind of 
how we've how we've eaten. 

771
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:28,800
And when you just start pulling 
the curtain back is just not 

772
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,700
really the case. 
I mean you look at you know, 

773
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:34,300
anything in the produce aisle 
these days even like a like a, 

774
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:39,400
you know cam of corn on a cob of
corn, you know half a million 

775
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,400
years ago. 
Or not even have been years ago,

776
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,900
like 300,000 years ago. 
Was it looked more like a blade 

777
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:47,500
of grass than a cob of corn that
you see today? 

778
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:50,400
So it's like, it's not even the 
same food group anymore hardly. 

779
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,100
Well, not even three thousand 
ways to go 10,000 years ago. 

780
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,000
It was, it was a, it was a have 
sent a that. 

781
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,900
The ancestors was just a blade 
of grass. 

782
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:03,800
And yet we forget it's crazy. 
Because when same thing that I 

783
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,600
mentioned earlier, if you if you
go back in time, just just like 

784
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,400
you just, did you go back in 
time and look at At how our 

785
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,900
relationship with this 
particular food started. 

786
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:16,800
What was that food? 
Like, what were the conditions 

787
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,500
under which we start eating that
food. 

788
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,400
It paints an entirely different 
picture of what were being told 

789
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,800
Now by Major food marketing 
companies and the media and all 

790
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,800
these sorts of things. 
So a great example is corn or 

791
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,800
Maize. 
If you let your yard grow and 

792
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,500
don't mow it, the stuff, you 
know, and and all of us at some 

793
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:39,600
kind of miss the patch of grass 
hearing and it came to seed 

794
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,000
You're looking at, when you look
at that, overgrown grass is 

795
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,200
exactly what pay a cent. 
They the ancestors to Corn would

796
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,800
have looked like 10,000 years 
ago or very, very, very similar.

797
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:54,800
And it is only because we 
genetically modified it, even 

798
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,900
10,000 years ago, through 
selective pressure. 

799
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,100
What closer to nine thousand 
years ago, but that we were able

800
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:04,500
to select for bigger kernels and
we were able to select for you. 

801
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:07,800
If you look at early days and 
sometimes even grown today, 

802
00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:11,600
every single kernel, right? 
Every single kernel of corn, 

803
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,400
used to be encased in its own 
sheath. 

804
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,500
So, you know, how you get a cob 
of corn today and you, you know,

805
00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:21,600
you shuck the corn you had to 
shook every single kernel. 

806
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,200
So one of the genetic mutations 
that our ancestors select before

807
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,200
was the ability to have the 
entire theme tasting, just one 

808
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,600
big sheet. 
So you can Harvest it much more 

809
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,700
easily. 
There is nothing natural, 

810
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,400
nothing natural about corn and 
you can have, you can have that 

811
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,200
same argument and talk about all
the different plants in Our 

812
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,400
advice. 
They are And in fact, many of 

813
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,000
the animals as well. 
I mean chicken unfortunately. 

814
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,300
Chicken breast is still 
celebrated by so many people 

815
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:51,500
that want to get healthy. 
There is nothing natural about 

816
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:54,600
chicken breasts. 
I mean, we have domesticated a 

817
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,800
bird to the point where it 
doesn't fly anymore and then we 

818
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,300
celebrate the part of that bird 
that muscle, that doesn't even 

819
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:07,500
work right breast. 
And so, looking back in time 

820
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:10,000
really helps clarify, or put at 
least a different lens. 

821
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:12,900
It's on all of these different 
arguments, totally agree. 

822
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,600
I want to dive into the the fire
that you mentioned because you 

823
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,800
know, you said that once you're 
really kind of harnessed fire as

824
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,200
a tool from a processing 
standpoint can cook. 

825
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:27,800
That's so from a nutrient 
availability standpoint. 

826
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:30,700
There's some things are going to
be some new Tunes going to get 

827
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:33,300
lost when you cook them in. 
Some are going. 

828
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:35,500
We're going to gain better 
access to them after they've 

829
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:38,100
been cooked. 
So when it comes to things like 

830
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,400
like muscle meat, for instance, 
Are we gaining more from a 

831
00:44:41,408 --> 00:44:44,000
nutritional standpoint after 
that's been cooked versus Raw? 

832
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,600
Yeah, there's been there's been 
some work done in in this area. 

833
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,300
So it looks like first off most 
of the enemy. 

834
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:57,800
If we forget about the muscle 
for a second, forget about the 

835
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,400
Flesh. 
And look at the rest of the 

836
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,000
animal. 
So the blood, the fat in the 

837
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:07,600
organs, the marrow the brains, 
those parts of the animal are in

838
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,200
most cases, most nutritious most
bioavailable just as they are in

839
00:45:12,207 --> 00:45:15,400
their raw state. 
If you cook them a little It's 

840
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,500
not that big of a deal 
certainly. 

841
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:18,700
If you overcook them, or boil 
them too much or whatever. 

842
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:20,800
You're losing some nutrients, 
but for the most part, you can 

843
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,400
get a meeting. 
Our human body can have direct 

844
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:30,100
access to almost all the 
nutrients in the awful without 

845
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:35,200
any processing whatsoever. 
Now, red meat red muscle meat is

846
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,600
slightly and I mean, only 
slightly more difficult for our 

847
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:44,400
human body to fully access 
nutrients in without any help 

848
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,100
whatsoever. /. 
And the two things that helped 

849
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:50,300
and these were told very early 
Technologies, was one is 

850
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:53,000
mechanically processing that 
food. 

851
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,100
In other words, simply slicing 
dicing grading, you know, 

852
00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:59,700
grinding it up, mixing it up. 
So that's number one. 

853
00:45:59,700 --> 00:46:04,300
And if you look at chimpanzees, 
when they don't often eat red 

854
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:06,400
meat. 
But when they do, they almost 

855
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,800
always eat a particular Leaf at 
the same time as they eat this, 

856
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:14,000
this meat and the leaf doesn't 
provide any nutritional value. 

857
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,200
It's a very high. 
Look up containing leaf and it's

858
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,600
almost like sandpaper. 
And when they're, when they're 

859
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,500
chewing the leaf in this meet. 
At the same time that leaf is 

860
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:27,500
actually helping shred that meet
up and mechanically process it 

861
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:29,800
before they before they swallow 
it. 

862
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:35,000
Mmm, and if you think about the 
ways that some modern humans eat

863
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,700
were all red meat. 
If we go to a high-end 

864
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:39,100
restaurant, it's exactly done. 
This way. 

865
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:42,000
We can either have either have 
beef carpaccio, which is slice 

866
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,400
incredibly thin, or beef 
tartare, which is Popped up like

867
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,300
hamburger meat. 
So that's number one. 

868
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:51,600
So a little bit of mechanical 
processing helps us gain access 

869
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,400
to the nutrients in that meat. 
And the second thing is, it 

870
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,300
turns out a little bit of 
cooking? 

871
00:46:56,300 --> 00:46:59,400
And I mean, just a little bit, 
also helps relieve some of those

872
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,300
nutrients. 
So, and know, this sounds 

873
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:11,200
incredibly strange, but probably
the most bioavailable way to eat

874
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,100
red. 
Meat is a medium or a hamburger.

875
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,700
Which is done in both of those 
things are done, you know, 

876
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:21,800
they're it's minced up and it's 
also just slightly cooked. 

877
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,100
Yeah. 
No, I can totally get behind him

878
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:24,900
anymore. 
Hamburger. 

879
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:28,300
There's been a big push here 
lately. 

880
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,200
It's kind of weird, man. 
Like I've been in the dieting 

881
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,500
space for so long and attrition 
space for so long. 

882
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:36,800
I see all these Hypes and these 
bubbles form and people get so 

883
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,600
dogmatic and it's just, it's 
comical, but there's been this 

884
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,400
big push here lately for 
everybody to, you know, return 

885
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:50,900
to Natural natural state eat 
everything raw raw carnivore for

886
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:53,700
the win, and I'm not opposed to 
that. 

887
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:56,100
I don't personally eat a whole 
bunch of just raw anything but 

888
00:47:56,300 --> 00:48:00,200
there's there's like when you 
when you go back in time and you

889
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,400
start saying, okay, I'm going to
eat like they did three hundred 

890
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,100
thousand years ago, 200,000 
years ago. 

891
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:07,500
I mean everything, raw carnivore
or slightly cook it. 

892
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,100
Like I would be willing to bet 
that a lot of what you see back.

893
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:16,200
Then from an animal standpoint. 
He isn't played with near the 

894
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,200
parasites and and issues that 
are in the modern food supply 

895
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,900
due to overpopulation factory 
farming, things of that nature. 

896
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:25,700
So it's not probably a safe 
thing to go, you know, 

897
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:28,700
full-blown. 
Grab some, you know, Raw Liver 

898
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:30,600
Off the Wall. 
Mart supermarkets shelf in the 

899
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,600
Sardine that wrong. 
Oh, what? 

900
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,300
I'm 100% 100%. 
So and it's also very important 

901
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:40,500
to recognize that. 
You know, what I'm talking about

902
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:44,800
here is the absolute best 
practice. 

903
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,700
If you want to get the most 
amount of nutrients from every 

904
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:51,000
single bite that you take, you 
know, maximize all of it. 

905
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,100
This is this is this is what I'm
talking about. 

906
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:58,800
However, no matter what. 
And an overly cooked steak is 

907
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,300
going to provide you with a lot 
more nutrients in a more 

908
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:04,700
bioavailable State than just 
about any vegetable on the 

909
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:05,600
planet. 
Right? 

910
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:10,700
Or or or I I don't like raw 
liver. 

911
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:13,300
I just I can do raw. 
Chicken liver fine. 

912
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:17,400
We're all beef liver. 
Its I don't do a very good job 

913
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,200
with it, but I love pate and 
that's cook. 

914
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,700
So I might not be 100% 
maximizing every Every single 

915
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:30,100
minutiae of that particular 
food, but it's still 1,000 times

916
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:33,100
better than just about anything 
else that that I could eat. 

917
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:35,000
So and you make a very good 
point. 

918
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,900
I would say the same thing. 
I am a huge raw milk Advocate, 

919
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:46,700
especially in fermented raw, 
dairy, but, and I wholeheartedly

920
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:51,700
think the safest, most nutrient 
dense and viable form of dairy 

921
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:58,000
is fermented raw dairy from From
a high-quality well-raised 

922
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,800
well-cared-for, cow and the 
milks been treated the right 

923
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,300
way. 
It's the safest form of dairy. 

924
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:08,200
However, it raw dairy can also 
be one of the most dangerous 

925
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,400
forms of dairy. 
And it all has to do with how 

926
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,000
that animals raised what it's 
fed, how the milk has dealt with

927
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,700
that sort of the, you know, 
comes out and the like, so it's 

928
00:50:15,700 --> 00:50:17,600
the same thing with the meat 
that you talking about. 

929
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,500
No eating raw chicken liver or 
her role liver, raw meat from an

930
00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:25,200
incredible. 
Healthy animal is a Different 

931
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,100
thing than getting it Off the 
Wall. 

932
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:30,300
Mart shelf and bring it home and
be frosting, it trying to enter.

933
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:31,700
I need it. 
They're two completely different

934
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:32,800
things. 
Yeah, totally. 

935
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,200
Green. 
I think, you know, a lot of 

936
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,600
people get so hung up on the 
very surface level stuff like, 

937
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,500
you know, the macronutrient 
distribution calories and that's

938
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:43,000
all super important. 
You know, I think it definitely 

939
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,400
deserves it's time to line line.
But I feel like, you know, 

940
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,600
really going like as you get 
deeper and deeper into nutrition

941
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,900
as which is true of anything as 
you get deeper into anything. 

942
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,600
You really start to see all 
these rabbit holes, you go into 

943
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:59,200
to and, you know, my Evolution 
through diet nutrition has led 

944
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,200
to really place in a lot of 
significance on where things 

945
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,700
were sourced. 
And you know, what, they were 

946
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:08,500
fed because that's going to have
a byproduct on my body's ability

947
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:11,000
to, you know, take him that 
nutrition and have it more 

948
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,500
bioavailable. 
And just honestly from a, from a

949
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:15,800
moral, and ethical standpoint. 
I like knowing that the food 

950
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,400
that I'm eating was raised 
humanely, or I do a lot of 

951
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,500
hunting, so was slaughtered 
humanely. 

952
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,500
I think, you know, it's not 
probably fees. 

953
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:27,700
Of the entire eight billion 
people on the Earth population 

954
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:30,900
to know exactly where everything
was sourced and take up hunting.

955
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:33,500
But I feel like people that have
the means to should absolutely 

956
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:35,000
try and make that more of a 
priority. 

957
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,900
And just simply get closer to 
where their food is sourced and 

958
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:42,500
comes from 100%. 
And I would also say, it doesn't

959
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:47,200
even have to be that all, or 
most of their food comes from 

960
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:50,800
from something, like hunting or 
even fishing that even going 

961
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,500
once a year or or tagging along 
with a buddy. 

962
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,800
The and going once in your life 
and being a part of that 

963
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,200
process, I think is incredibly 
important and makes you look at 

964
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,800
the Modern meat industry in a 
completely different way. 

965
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,500
And I would say not only the 
sourcing of the animals things 

966
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,400
like like hunting, or raising. 
Your own animals is incredibly 

967
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:15,100
important but also the the 
slaughtering and the butchering 

968
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:19,500
on credibly important. 
So if you don't have access to, 

969
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:22,700
you know, maybe going out, and 
going hunting, depending on 

970
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:25,400
where you live, or what your 
social network is like, But you 

971
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,900
do have access to actually 
seeing somebody butcher, an 

972
00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:31,900
animal, do it and take your 
kids. 

973
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:36,100
If and that is one of the things
I write about in The Book of the

974
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:42,200
animal section is that there's 
no bones and skin and feathers 

975
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,700
and hair in our kitchens 
anymore. 

976
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,800
And our kids don't, it's very 
difficult for them to associate.

977
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,300
What that chicken breasts on 
their plate, and something that 

978
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:59,200
was living in a once living on 
And we couch, I've been at so 

979
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,600
many different tables, where 
we're eating meat, on a plate 

980
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:06,300
and somebody mentions an animal 
and they shut the conversation 

981
00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:08,000
down. 
No, we can't go talk about 

982
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,100
animals. 
I don't want to think about it. 

983
00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:11,100
I just want to eat my food and 
not even think about it. 

984
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:14,900
And because the exact wrong way 
that, that sort of approach has 

985
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:16,100
got us in the place. 
We are. 

986
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:19,000
Now we've turned our back on and
and haven't paid attention to 

987
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,600
what's happening in the modern 
food industry. 

988
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,400
He's Capo's and know, all the, 
all the horrors of a lot of the 

989
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,000
modern industry. 
Have happened on our watch while

990
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,300
we weren't watching and you 
know, we make a point when I 

991
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:33,900
when I bring an animal of this 
house likewise, I do a lot of 

992
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:36,900
hunting, we bring whole animals 
into the house and even if it's 

993
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:39,700
something that's domesticated. 
We bring half pigs and put them 

994
00:53:39,700 --> 00:53:41,200
on the counter and butcher them 
on the counter. 

995
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,300
The kids are a part of it, and 
sometimes if they're not a part 

996
00:53:43,300 --> 00:53:46,200
of it, they at least see it. 
And I know for some people that 

997
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,700
all may sound strange, but at 
least go to the grocery store 

998
00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:53,100
and bring home an entire chicken
where the it resembles the shape

999
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:56,000
of an animal and there's bone 
Bones and their skins. 

1000
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,700
And even though it's in a little
plastic bag on the inside. 

1001
00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:02,100
There's no liver and Gizzard and
a heart on the inside and maybe 

1002
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:03,200
even the neck. 
If you're lucky. 

1003
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,300
Those are the kinds of things 
that I think are our families 

1004
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:11,700
and our kids need to see because
it builds respect and we 

1005
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:13,200
understand there's a 
responsibility. 

1006
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,200
There's it's okay. 
In fact, I think we're supposed 

1007
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,300
to remember that. 
Something is once living and now

1008
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:20,900
it's dead. 
And now we're nourish your 

1009
00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:23,300
families. 
As a result of it, 100% man. 

1010
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:28,100
Like I've always said that, You 
know my my perspective as a 

1011
00:54:28,107 --> 00:54:32,200
hunter and having the 
opportunity to take a life has 

1012
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,900
only heightened my appreciation 
for life. 

1013
00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:39,100
And I feel like that can be 
said, I mean that's true for 

1014
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:41,900
people that have that 
perspective that that live this 

1015
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:42,900
life. 
I mean, there's there's a bunch 

1016
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:45,100
of bad Hunters out there that 
are just, you know, driving road

1017
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:46,800
signs and shooting things and 
leaving them lay. 

1018
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,400
And I've got zero respect for 
those individuals, but the 

1019
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,200
people are doing it for the 
right reasons to put food on 

1020
00:54:51,207 --> 00:54:53,800
their table to know where their 
food comes from to be a part of 

1021
00:54:53,808 --> 00:54:56,500
that process. 
Those are oftentimes the most 

1022
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:59,400
devout, you know 
conservationists and people out 

1023
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,600
there fighting for animal rights
welfare, because they appreciate

1024
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,000
that life. 
May, I think I think hunting is 

1025
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,600
an amazing amazing way to get 
closer to animals. 

1026
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:14,300
We just had a two cows. 
Crystal my wife, her brother was

1027
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,200
willing enough to raise two cows
one for him. 

1028
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,800
One for me, and we just went up 
there. 

1029
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:23,300
I went there two weeks ago and 
helped butcher the whole thing 

1030
00:55:23,300 --> 00:55:24,500
as first met ever done account 
before. 

1031
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,900
Or and that was a I mean that 
was a freaking task right there,

1032
00:55:27,900 --> 00:55:29,300
man. 
I never done account and it took

1033
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:33,100
us like 13 hours per cow. 
I started getting pretty good 

1034
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:34,600
throw by the end of it. 
I was like, hacking off these 

1035
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,300
rib eye steaks and they're 
looking like rib eye. 

1036
00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:40,000
Steaks were supposed to look. 
But but just simply being a part

1037
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,500
of that whole process and know 
him the exact cut for how to 

1038
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:45,000
make a New York strip, how to 
make a rib. 

1039
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,200
I had a had a, you know, cut off
around the shoulder for a cow 

1040
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,600
and be able to see understand, 
you know, how that cut was made 

1041
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,300
in a butcher shop and then what 
went on behind the scenes? 

1042
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:56,200
I mean, It's that's invaluable 
information there. 

1043
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:59,700
That's a huge undertaking. 
You can to full cows. 

1044
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:03,500
Yeah, to full Cows, as bad as 
about 13 hours for the first 

1045
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:06,300
day. 
We got the 1/1 count on the 

1046
00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:07,800
first day, took us about 13 
hours. 

1047
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,800
And then by the end of that, the
second day, we were much more 

1048
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,900
efficient with the second cow, 
but it was no joke, man, like it

1049
00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:17,800
was, it was cool to like, we 
bought some books like How to 

1050
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,600
put your account books and I 
went through is like, oh, you 

1051
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,900
know, picture perfect and 
everything. 

1052
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:24,500
I was learning how to do all 
these cuts and make everything. 

1053
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,700
NG. 
But I've done so many dear, so I

1054
00:56:26,707 --> 00:56:28,700
never really bad and I'm about 
doing dear. 

1055
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:32,300
But the cow with that was that 
was a much bigger undertaking, 

1056
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:35,200
for sure. 
It probably made you a better 

1057
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,400
deal breaker. 
Well, imagine. 

1058
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,700
Yeah, but I mean, I think that 
they just, it makes me 

1059
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:41,500
appreciate everything so much 
more. 

1060
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:45,000
Like when I went to a butcher 
shop here locally, once I got 

1061
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,300
back in town, you know, I'm 
looking all across their their 

1062
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:52,400
shelf, and I'm seeing all these 
different cuts of steaks and I 

1063
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,500
now know how to cut that 
specific steak. 

1064
00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:57,200
You just gained so much more 
perspective and appreciation for

1065
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,500
the foods. 
You're buying and eating. 

1066
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,400
Yeah, and that's exactly what I 
was referring to. 

1067
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,200
There is something incredibly 
valuable to being able to hunt 

1068
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,700
on a regular basis. 
Fish on a regular basis, put 

1069
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:13,300
your animals on a regular basis 
and it's amazing, but for so 

1070
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:17,200
many people that's Out Of Reach 
and I completely understand why.

1071
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,300
But even an experience like 
that, you know, I think that cow

1072
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:24,000
or being around a pig, which is 
a little bit more manageable 

1073
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,600
even in Somebody's house or even
if it's a chicken, if that's the

1074
00:57:27,607 --> 00:57:31,500
best you have access to, you 
still get gained a lot of the 

1075
00:57:31,508 --> 00:57:35,400
that appreciation that respect 
that, that understanding of that

1076
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,800
responsibility. 
And the other thing is not only 

1077
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,800
is it, is it more nourishing. 
Is it more ethical and more 

1078
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,200
sustainable financially. 
It makes Incredible sense. 

1079
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:51,200
And, you know, we we can get a 
half a pig here, a half of a 

1080
00:57:51,207 --> 00:57:58,000
local Pig for about $40 and a 
half of a good-sized pig. 

1081
00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:02,600
And that gives me two hams to 
have a big in a small. 

1082
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,300
I use those different sides of 
the leg. 

1083
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,100
It gives me a whole bunch of 
bacon. 

1084
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:07,900
I get a bunch of meat for 
sausage. 

1085
00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:10,700
We cure some of it. 
We have, we rendered lard. 

1086
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:15,400
We make bone broth it. 
We make head cheese and that's 

1087
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:20,300
an incredible amount of food for
$130 and about a half a day's 

1088
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:22,900
work and obviously pigs a lot 
smaller. 

1089
00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:25,600
So that's more than a cow. 
But even if you think about it 

1090
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,000
with the chicken, you bring it, 
I was just doing some work 

1091
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,400
yesterday and it was saying the 
average price of a chicken 

1092
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,900
breast is three dollars and 
twenty something cents a pound 

1093
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,300
and the average around the 
country and the average price of

1094
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:43,900
a whole chicken is a dollar, 
twenty something a pound. 

1095
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,100
Wow, and I understand that, some
of that weight is certainly in 

1096
00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:53,200
Bones, not a ton of it, but but 
in Balance, but every bit of 

1097
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,800
that chicken, Is in, you know, 
entirely edible, and nutritious.

1098
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,000
And I would, I would say more 
nutritious than the chicken 

1099
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,400
breast. 
I mean, you got the breast, you 

1100
00:59:01,408 --> 00:59:04,600
got the thighs, you got the wing
that you got, the skin, got the 

1101
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,400
livers, the hearts, the neck, 
and then you, then, then you're 

1102
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,200
left with the bones to make bone
broth from and it just makes it 

1103
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,100
just makes sense all the way 
around. 

1104
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:16,300
And then you throw that 
financial piece, you know, sort 

1105
00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:19,900
of, to kind of close the loop on
all of it. 100% one thing. 

1106
00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:21,700
I've always appreciated about 
you. 

1107
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,400
Like, I've been following you on
social for a while now, and you 

1108
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:26,200
Oftentimes bring your whole 
family in there. 

1109
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,900
You'll make the sourdough bread 
together. 

1110
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:30,400
You do all the butcher in 
together, you make like these. 

1111
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,300
These like, it looks like you've
got a big pizza stone. 

1112
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:37,100
We're set up for bacon pizzas. 
I mean it you have everything 

1113
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:41,600
set up like you would expect to 
be set up, you know back in the 

1114
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:45,300
Renaissance times or something 
homesteading asking nature. 

1115
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:47,500
And I feel like, you know, that 
that's something that I've 

1116
00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:51,200
always appreciated and always 
tried to go back to myself and I

1117
00:59:51,207 --> 00:59:54,300
feel like the more especially 
now with all the craziness in 

1118
00:59:54,308 --> 00:59:56,700
the Like the past two years, 
especially the more I see, all 

1119
00:59:56,700 --> 00:59:59,700
this chaos abound, the more. 
I just want to return to like 

1120
00:59:59,700 --> 01:00:03,100
this homesteading type 
philosophy where I've got my 

1121
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,600
close-knit group of people, and 
we have like this bartering 

1122
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,600
system in which, you know, they 
got some, some great green beans

1123
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,400
in their Garden. 
It but I've got a great chicken 

1124
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,300
and we'll just swap that out and
live happily ever after. 

1125
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:18,000
And that's not realistic for a 
lot of people in this current 

1126
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,400
day and age, but I feel like 
doing anything you can to kind 

1127
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,100
of return towards that lifestyle
in some form or fashion is going

1128
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:28,700
to be out of contagious. 
Yeah, 100% in it and it gives 

1129
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:29,800
you. 
And this is where I think it's 

1130
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,300
incredibly valuable. 
Not only do those experiences, 

1131
01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:36,000
those things you just mentioned 
or some of my favorite memories,

1132
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,400
you know, cooking with my family
and and hunting and butchering 

1133
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:40,500
and forging whatever we're 
doing. 

1134
01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:44,600
Those are some of my most 
incredible memories and I'm hope

1135
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,600
I hope they are for my kids as 
well. 

1136
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:52,700
But that beyond that, it really 
and I don't think they realize 

1137
01:00:52,700 --> 01:00:56,200
it at this time, but it really 
We makes you look at the world 

1138
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:00,000
and your place in it through a 
completely different set of eyes

1139
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,200
and everything from how you shop
at the grocery store, to where 

1140
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,100
you shop to how you deal. 
With other people, what you see,

1141
01:01:07,107 --> 01:01:10,300
all of those things are lessons 
that are just kind of 

1142
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:14,400
subconsciously being learned 
through all of those, all those 

1143
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,600
sorts of activities. 
And I will say one thing that 

1144
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,400
has happened since the last time
we spoke. 

1145
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,300
And I think some of the pictures
that you might prefer to, or 

1146
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:24,500
happening there, my wife, and I 
actually took a huge leap. 

1147
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:28,000
Bleep about a year ago. 
She left her position as a 

1148
01:01:28,008 --> 01:01:31,000
director of special ed a nearby 
County school system. 

1149
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:35,500
And I left Washington College 
and we launched what were the 

1150
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:38,800
modern Stone Age kitchen, which 
is actually where we teach tens 

1151
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,700
of classes, in-person and 
virtual, but also, we are 

1152
01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:44,500
producing food in line with 
everything that we read about, 

1153
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:47,400
in the book, everything that you
and I have talked about on this 

1154
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,600
podcast and it's right there in 
the heart of Chester. 

1155
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,200
Then I'm pretty confident that a
lot of the pictures you're 

1156
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,400
talking about. 
Have happened in there. 

1157
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,500
And it's a great playing. 
A lot of the people. 

1158
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:01,400
I'm very lucky because I've had 
the opportunity to we built a 

1159
01:02:01,408 --> 01:02:03,700
wood fired oven in the backyard.
My father took me hunting. 

1160
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:07,200
Let him pass on to my kids and 
and, and we cook from scratch. 

1161
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,700
And, you know, we have really 
good access to raw materials and

1162
01:02:09,700 --> 01:02:11,200
information all these sorts of 
things. 

1163
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:14,500
But what I wanted to do was 
offer that same sort of 

1164
01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:17,600
opportunity to the community, 
and that's what we've been able 

1165
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,200
to do there. 
That's awesome. 

1166
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,700
And I mean, you're paying it 
forward in ways, you don't even 

1167
01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:23,400
realize yet. 
I mean, the, the lines you're in

1168
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,400
painting. 
For those kids that would never 

1169
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:27,800
in a million years have that 
opportunity. 

1170
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,400
Otherwise, I mean that that's 
pretty powerful stuff right 

1171
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:31,900
there, minute tip my hat to you 
for them. 

1172
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:34,900
Well, thanks so much. 
It's incredibly rewarding, it 

1173
01:02:34,908 --> 01:02:37,200
can pay that. 
Well, I'm super excited for 

1174
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,300
everything. 
You've got cooking. 

1175
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:41,300
I guess, literally, and 
figuratively. 

1176
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,300
But with regard to, what you got
in the pipeline from a 

1177
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:47,800
professional standpoint, you've 
got the book that was published 

1178
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,100
in November, correct? 
Yep. 

1179
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:52,800
Just came out in November and 
it's launching in other places 

1180
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,100
of the world, actually this 
month. 

1181
01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:56,800
Weeks, awesome. 
Well, I'm gonna get a copy. 

1182
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,200
I'm going to read that. 
And I'm going to take part in 

1183
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,900
what it's saying, because I 
think we're on the same 

1184
01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:02,200
wavelength. 
Therefore sure. 

1185
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:04,900
What else is 2022? 
Going to? 

1186
01:03:04,900 --> 01:03:06,200
Hopefully many anything else 
coming. 

1187
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,700
Well, we got a lot going on. 
So at the monastery kitchen, 

1188
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:12,600
we're launching more and more 
products every week that we all 

1189
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,100
hardly believe in. 
So, we're doing a whole line of 

1190
01:03:15,100 --> 01:03:20,000
bone broth and fermented Butters
and peppe's and tons of tons of 

1191
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,100
different things. 
That what I love is, we've been 

1192
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:25,500
able to make this book, Book 
come alive. 

1193
01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:29,000
We're able to provide all the 
book, all the foods. 

1194
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,700
And the processes that we write 
about in this book. 

1195
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:35,000
We're providing not only the 
food there, but also the 

1196
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,700
workshops of the and the tools, 
literally the tools to make 

1197
01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:40,600
those Foods in your own home 
right there. 

1198
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:44,900
But something, I'm super excited
about is, we've had a tremendous

1199
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:50,100
response to the book and a lot 
of people asking for more and 

1200
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:54,300
we're launching February first, 
two months in pensive. 

1201
01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:57,900
Virtual class. 
We actually go through this book

1202
01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:02,600
chapter by chapter every single 
week and we do a whole bunch of 

1203
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,600
have a whole bunch of 
behind-the-scenes stories. 

1204
01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:07,300
There's a lot of this book is 
actually a journey around the 

1205
01:04:07,300 --> 01:04:09,200
world and through time and 
there's a ton of different 

1206
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,600
people that you meet in this 
book in the pages of this book. 

1207
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,100
And we're going to have special 
guests on here from all over the

1208
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:20,300
world, from Italy to Africa, to 
all over on these on these 

1209
01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:23,200
classes and then every single 
one of them will end with 

1210
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,900
cooking. 
Most was this book has 75 

1211
01:04:25,900 --> 01:04:27,700
recipes in it. 
It's a practical book. 

1212
01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:31,400
How to take these lessons and 
actually do them and make use of

1213
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,800
them in your own home kitchen. 
And they're going to, we're 

1214
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,000
going to go through them many of
those recipes, and have demos, 

1215
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,000
and classes, and questions, and 
answers, and all that. 

1216
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,100
And that Launches on, on 
February 1st, and we will. 

1217
01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:46,800
And there's information on are 
on my website, eat like a 

1218
01:04:46,808 --> 01:04:49,800
human.com about that. 
Is that going to be something? 

1219
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,200
That is kind of like, Evergreen.
Like you can even after you 

1220
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,500
start people can can Jump onto 
and then have access to the 

1221
01:04:56,500 --> 01:04:59,100
recordings or is this something 
like a one-time thing? 

1222
01:04:59,100 --> 01:05:02,800
You got to be a part of the 
class real-time know you could 

1223
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,300
jump in. 
At any time you can jump in 

1224
01:05:04,300 --> 01:05:07,600
anytime and then you, there's 
ways have access to the classes 

1225
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:08,900
that you've missed as well. 
Sure. 

1226
01:05:09,100 --> 01:05:10,300
Nice. 
I'm at the check that out for 

1227
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:11,600
sure, man. 
This then that sounds pretty 

1228
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,500
awesome. 
So we got on top of that. 

1229
01:05:15,500 --> 01:05:19,700
We've got a certainly our work 
around the world has been 

1230
01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:25,200
greatly impacted by koban. 
But we're planting a few seeds 

1231
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,400
right now. 
That'll hopefully, hopefully 

1232
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,600
grow into full blown research 
opportunities and Northern 

1233
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,700
Scandinavia and in Mexico and 
hopefully back in Africa as the 

1234
01:05:34,707 --> 01:05:36,800
year goes on, very cool. 
Very cool. 

1235
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,800
I will keep following the 
journey because like I said, 

1236
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,300
I've been following you for a 
while and everything you post 

1237
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:42,700
and it's just awesome. 
Awesome stuff. 

1238
01:05:42,700 --> 01:05:44,400
I'm learning. 
Something every time I go to 

1239
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,600
your page, have you put on a 
bunch of stuff on YouTube? 

1240
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,600
I haven't checked out YouTube. 
Are you are you putting like 

1241
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,300
demos out there? 
No, we're actually going to 

1242
01:05:52,300 --> 01:05:53,700
start doing that as well. 
This year. 

1243
01:05:54,700 --> 01:06:00,600
You know, we have a there's a 
lot of there's so many things 

1244
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,400
that I'm in. 
Both of us are incredibly 

1245
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,600
passionate about it and it's 
hard to pick and choose where 

1246
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,700
you put energies because there's
so much work to be done. 

1247
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,600
I one of the things that I'm 
really focusing on now is this 

1248
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:14,800
this nose-to-tail whole animal 
approach to To butchering and 

1249
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,500
cooking and eating. 
And we're going to start making 

1250
01:06:18,500 --> 01:06:22,200
a whole bunch of videos on 
really accessible ways to do 

1251
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,100
that in our kitchens make those 
available in places like YouTube

1252
01:06:25,100 --> 01:06:26,200
for sure. 
Nice. 

1253
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,300
See, I thought about doing that 
same thing, but it's weird man. 

1254
01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:31,200
Like with YouTube. 
There's so much censorship over 

1255
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,300
things that you would not think 
would need to be censored. 

1256
01:06:33,300 --> 01:06:36,200
Like, I've thought about doing 
like a how-to video on how to, 

1257
01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:39,800
you know, process and butcher. 
A deer from start to finish and 

1258
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,500
I've had things like that 
flagged in the past. 

1259
01:06:41,500 --> 01:06:45,100
It's so it's like, I want to 
dive super deep into that but 

1260
01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:48,400
it's like the societal powers 
that be don't want you to. 

1261
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,000
I know. 
And then we're looking and it 

1262
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,500
might not be YouTube. 
We're looking for the right 

1263
01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:53,800
platform. 
It might be Vimeo. 

1264
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,400
I'm not entirely sure because 
there's so much I know for me 

1265
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:01,300
growing up. 
I my dad taught me how to hunt 

1266
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:03,800
my dad, taught me how to 
butcher, and he did a fantastic 

1267
01:07:03,808 --> 01:07:07,500
job and there's put their 
stings, some things that I 

1268
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:12,300
didn't know then about how to 
how to field dress a deer 

1269
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:14,300
properly. 
If you're a You going to save 

1270
01:07:14,300 --> 01:07:16,400
the liver if you're actually 
going to use the intestines for 

1271
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,700
casings for sausage and and and 
save the caul fat in those sorts

1272
01:07:19,700 --> 01:07:24,300
of things that I just wish. 
I had a YouTube like video to 

1273
01:07:24,900 --> 01:07:29,300
teach me and it's such a, such a
great platform, but it needs to 

1274
01:07:29,300 --> 01:07:31,800
not be censored or we have to 
find the right platform to do it

1275
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:32,900
for sure. 
Yeah. 

1276
01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:35,000
Well, whatever you find platform
was. 

1277
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,400
I'll be I'll be subscribed and 
following without a doubt man. 

1278
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,600
Love what you doing back and 
likewise. 

1279
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,100
Thank you so much. 
One more time, where do people 

1280
01:07:44,100 --> 01:07:45,800
go to? 
What's the website again? 

1281
01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:48,400
Okay. 
So my website is eat like a 

1282
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,800
human.com, which is also the 
name of the book and you can 

1283
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:56,300
find information on the book. 
My blog is their classes virtual

1284
01:07:56,300 --> 01:07:59,900
classes in person classes and 
then modern Stone Age. 

1285
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:04,300
Kitchen.com is our storefront 
and where you can find 

1286
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:07,800
information about the foods that
were producing and some of the 

1287
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,900
in-person classes there as well.
Awesome. 

1288
01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:11,800
Well, I most certainly linked 
into all of those. 

1289
01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:13,100
Keep doing. 
What you doing, man. 

1290
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,600
I love the work. 
I appreciate the message you're 

1291
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,300
sending and definitely keep in 
touch. 

1292
01:08:17,300 --> 01:08:19,800
I think we're both speaking at a
few conferences this year. 

1293
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,500
So I'm looking forward to seeing
you in person again. 

1294
01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:26,000
Oh, you want to keep it calm? 
Yeah. 

1295
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,100
Yeah, I'll be speaking of Quito 
con and you're speaking there as

1296
01:08:28,100 --> 01:08:30,200
well, right? 
Absolutely, man. 

1297
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,600
I look forward to meeting you in
person. 

1298
01:08:31,700 --> 01:08:33,000
It'll be great man. 
Will have to share a big old, 

1299
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,200
ribeye steak dinner, or 
something. 

1300
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:36,000
I look forward to. 
It. 

1301
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,899
Sounds great. 
Take care, until next time. 

1302
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:39,500
All right. 
Sounds good. 

1303
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:40,100
Fuck you soon.