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Well, hello ladies and gents 
Robert Sykes keto Savage.com. 

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And today I've got a special 
guest in good friend, Michael, 

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didn't he on the line? 
He is a client and he's an 

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amazing individual. 
He and I are going to be going 

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on a elk hunt later this year. 
So we dove into that, but that's

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not all we talked about. 
He is a recovering alcoholic the

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day that we recorded. 
This podcast was three years 

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sober. 
So that was Monumental in and of

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itself. 
In this podcast, we tried to 

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tease out what led him to that 
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And what He brought into his 
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improve his trajectory and truly
truly turned his life and his 

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health completely around 180 
degrees. 

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A large part of that was his 
dietary choices, his nutrition, 

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his training and his 
transformation from a ketogenic 

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perspective. 
And that's what we always talked

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about that quite a bit. 
Everything in this podcast was 

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pure gold, I thoroughly enjoyed 
it. 

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I've got much respect for 
Michael, he's a good friend, a 

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great clients and I said an 
amazing human being. 

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I've No doubt that you will 
enjoy it as well. 

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So without further Ado, sit 
back, relax. 

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Enjoy the podcast with Michael 
And we are live. 

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Michael, how are you brother? 
I'm doing great Rob. 

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How are you? 
I'm doing wonderfully. 

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Well man, this is this is a long
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Come on this podcast. 
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shoot when we start working 
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together. 14 15 months ago. 
Yeah. 

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It's been over a year. 
I consider you more of a friend 

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than a clan at this point. 
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say so, I mean we just booked a 
we just booked a They trip out 

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to the Colorado Rockies together
and help we'd be friends by now.

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Yes, I was telling Crystal like 
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know, Expedition and I'm like, 
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So I'm going on this, you know 
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riding and I'm going with these 
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and then my client who have 
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face-to-face before. 
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make sure you're good. 
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good. 
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So it's To be great, definitely.
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today, man. 
I do. 

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I do today, is the third day, 
being sober today. 

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Is that third gear third? 
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Yeah, yeah, I was, I was 
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Today is the third year being 
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I had my last drink on the 20th 
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And I woke up on the 21st of 
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epiphany moment, I don't mean to
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kind of had that look in the 
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either going to die or I'm going
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storybook. 
Recoveries Miriam three years 

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later was there like these kind 
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because I like stories, where 
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spectrum is very Vast like 
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success and never deviate from 
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bottom or struggled through a 
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tribulation and then overcame 
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So when you were at the bottom 
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Like what made you wake up that 
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something had to change? 
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little bit from there and I will
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So, I had retired from the Army 
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a lieutenant colonel, I was an 
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member of a tier 1 Special 
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the chief of operations for the 
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I had a portfolio of 35,000 
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prior. and then there, I was on 
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and 20 days later and I looked 
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couldn't believe what I had 
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over the course of that one year
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I became near suicidal and it's 
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sitting down for a very long 
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I went from a life of purpose to
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charge of 35,000 people on every
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mission in the sun really never 
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to work every day and I worked 
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hours, and seven combat tours 
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contributing. 
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sense of purpose anymore and I 
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Jason Bourne and I lost that 
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I kind of replaced it with 
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nothing more. 
There's nothing more pathetic 

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than a man without purpose and I
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I felt pathetic and I lose 
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I was gaining weight and I was 
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seeing and on the 21st of June, 
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It was maybe noon. 
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noonish. 
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didn't know how I got home. 
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happened the night before. 
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Like, I'm going to, I'm going to
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pull my head out of my, you know
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And really figure this out. 
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really short Cliff note. 
Version of how I got to 21 June,

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21, June, 2018. 
And it was the worst year of my 

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life. 
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alcoholism and like, I've never 
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That was an alcoholic that I've 
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impacted by him. 
I've struggled with food 

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addictions, in a lot of people 
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eating and I'm assuming there's 
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between two. 
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to alcohol at what point do, you
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alcohol. 
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brother and this matters to, and
I'm not trying to make the story

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too long. 
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addicted to alcohol, and I was 
watching that that has a very 

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large part to play. 
In this story, I was watching my

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brother died of alcoholism. 
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going through this period of my 
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And he did die of alcoholism, he
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his birthday of congestive, 
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his, his body stops, his liver 
kidneys, Etc. 

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His body stopped processing 
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he died. 
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was watching that process go on,
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And very physically and 
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I didn't ever feel that I was 
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Like, I could not go without a 
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not make it through the day, 
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tremors, Etc. 
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numerous occasions, and rest, 
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Don't get me wrong. 
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the, the jailers and prison 
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would go in, they would have to 
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So he was at that level of 
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It was more of a I knew there 
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questioning. 
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not quit. 
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myself, do you think you have a 
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Well, let me give you the answer
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Not one boys and girls. 
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question, you have a problem 
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knew I had to make a change. 
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June, by the way, I knew that 
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that I just Their 21st of June 
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where I was more afraid of what 
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quit drinking then. 
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what the ramifications would be 
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I not stopped drinking and I'm 
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listeners in suspense. 
I think I would have killed 

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myself. 
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It's it's scary man. 
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control I think that's I think 
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with any type of addiction. 
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control the outcome and you feel
compelled to continue in that 

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addictive behavior to a point 
where it runs your life and your

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mind like that. 
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sets in. 
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you know, alcoholism personally.
So I'm just reaching for, you 

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know, things that I can relate 
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and I'm assuming it's probably 
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and things but people they feel 
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that but they internally know 
that it's not conducive to their

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betterment. 
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Every time I picked up a drink 
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drink, it was a So I'm just 
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just have a couple more and I 
consistently would wake up 

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saying, why, why why did I even 
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It was the old saying and I had 
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that that old saying an ace one 
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And that was my Form of 
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the number of drinks that I had 
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So would you like another? 
I would like all of them so and 

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it never became violent. 
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arrested and never got into a 
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It was just there was no such 
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for me. 
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lot of it had to do with it was 
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the numbing of the bad feelings.
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lieutenant colonel in the most 
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Operations units. 
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proud of. 
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day, it was gone like all of 
that was gone and you can you 

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can sit back and say, well, that
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by not being able to handle. 
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Sure was But it happened and it 
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seeking. 
A lot of people who go from, you

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know, the the peak of their, the
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Like I was at the top of the 
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Colonel's not the highest rank 
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lowest they'll tell you that and
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organizations that I was in and 
there was a lot to be proud of 

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every single day when I was 
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At 4:30 and going in at the 
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And, you know, the missions that
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the missions that I were on. 
We were, we were reading about 

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him in the newspaper watching 
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If not months, after they 
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Like, we were The Cutting Edge 
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retired overnight and I just 
that sense of purpose was gone 

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And what I didn't realize was 
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degradation of me, the person 
slowly day by day by day, as a 

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result of, that alcohol abuse. 
It was just the inefficiencies 

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of my life. 
Stop reading. 

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I stop working out. 
I ate one convenient. 

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I didn't have an eating plan and
it affects everything. 

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Infects every organ in your 
body, affects your emotions, and

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it affects your just efficiency 
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Joel was off and you know, you 
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or I can keep going on about 
like these detrimental effects, 

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but I kind of touched a little 
bit as well. 

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You know, I talked about my 
brother having died of that 

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physical level of alcohol, 
abuse. 

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I have one, two, three, four. 
Think five of my direct 

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relatives and by that I mean out
to Uncle cousin level who have 

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quit drinking six. 
If you include me, that that's 

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quite a bit, there is an awful 
lot of substance abuse in my 

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family and my extended family. 
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know, that the death that we 
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family, 48 years old, very very 
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Passed away from alcoholism. 
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ironies, you know, I own a 
brewery and I don't drain. 

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And that's, you know, that is 
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struggle with, I would say 
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know, I come into the brewery 
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I don't over-served. 
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Almost with how much alcohol 
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And if you're on a motorcycle, 
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Two drinks. 
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four drinks. 
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know that that is a huge ironing
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Existence is a retired from the 
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I opened a brewery, I became a 
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because I'm kind of teach coach 
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soldiers to come right outside 
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Some lessons like, hey, son, let

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You don't need more alcohol. 
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interesting and very ironic part
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with alcohol. 
It's how I make a living but But

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it's also something that I 
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it's Unique because it's if you 
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self aware enough to know that, 
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take things, then there may be 
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the end of the day like, you 
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those Temptations. 
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It's good. 

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I can that, that I feel is a 
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self-awareness, like a lot of 
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Again, I keep going back to food
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carbs from their life, for 
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had addictive personality 
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myself in the bakery section of 
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akin to me, walking into a pub, 
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not why, you know, that wouldn't
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point now, just As you are to a 
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Brewery, that you know, that 
you'll never act on those, you 

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know, any of those Sensations to
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easily accessible to you. 
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testament to your degree of 
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are, and what you stand for, and
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letting your past to find you. 
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on there that that I'd like to 
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Don't So keto and carnivore was 
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for not drinking. 
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several months before I finally 
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from back home who said hey I 
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You don't do carbs anymore. 
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fitness and she said, right? 
It's alcohol, isn't it? 

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I was like, yeah, you kind of 
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I went three months of, 
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I didn't know you at the time. 
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was helping me kind of figure 
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over to being carnivore for 
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for removing alcohol because 
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was temporary. 
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look at all the weight I've 
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I think when I went carnivore. 
Now, when I started working with

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you, I got up, I was up to 220. 
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single digit body, very lean. 
Thank you for everything was 

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great mentorship along the way 
when I had met you, I had 

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already lost close to 50 pounds 
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retention and all that just 
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nobody believes me even to this 
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that much. 
No, I really did. 

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I weighed? 
I actually took some notes Here.

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I lost from from peak week there
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180 to as compared to when I was
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drinking, I lost 86 pounds and 
it's crazy. 

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But that nuts and So I used your
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in terms of the macros 
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lifestyle. 
That was a perfect smokescreen 

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for eliminating alcohol from my 
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people, I didn't have to walk 
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Letter on my chest saying I'm an
alcoholic. 

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It was just I had to come up 
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I worked in a brewery. and, I 
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people that you're an alcoholic 
and you can't be around alcohol 

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anymore. 
How can you do that? 

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And it was a creative way for me
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Now, I've taken up a keto 
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weights in order to, you know, 
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composite competition one day. 
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partake in any of this alcohol 
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people and nobody questioned me 
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I've avoided a bullet on that 
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mom no longer in that was about 
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was like, yeah, guys, I'm I'm an
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I'm never going to drink again, 
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recovery. 
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the second year for me too. 
To kind of rebuild my confidence

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in myself in order to admit to 
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Yeah, it was an alcoholic. 
That was that was all just a 

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smokescreen but it works, man. 
Like You guys help me out a lot.

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You gave me a perfect cover 
story that I could use that kept

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people from digging too deep 
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with. 
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like leveraging something like a
dietary protocol that you can 

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get excited about and just you 
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double down on is if you do that
and it is a healthy conducive 

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you know manipulation to your 
life that moves you in the right

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direction. 
It can inherently become a just 

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as much a part of your lifestyle
as the thing that you're trying 

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to remove in the first place. 
So like you can you can easily 

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identify yourself as You know, 
Michael the one that used to be 

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an alcoholic and now no longer 
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But you can also now say that 
you totally turn your health 

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around and you're not going to 
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diet because you've done this 
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positive health benefits that 
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So this has become just as much 
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So you probably wouldn't have 
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desire to stick with this to the
extent that you have and see the

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benefits you had with it 
head-on. 

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Not been for the things that you
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So you know, hate to say it's 
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silver lining but maybe that's 
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And, you know, I think, let's 
take it just one level deeper of

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analysis. 
When I left the military, I 

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didn't have goals in have 
purpose and then when I quit 

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drinking you know, when 
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You know, I was 268 pounds and 
body fat was through the roof 

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and they like, you're going to 
take up physique training really

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well. 
I mean, brag a little bit, you 

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know, I like I said, I wasn't, I
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athlete and I was an Army, 
special operator. 

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Yeah, I was in my 40s at that 
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But, you know, there was a time.
You know what I mean? 

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We're, that would have been a 
real. 

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People would have looked at me 
and said, yeah, I could see that

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guy being competitor. 
And now here I am, you know, 

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just a few weeks away from my 
49th birthday and brag up on 

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myself a little bit. 
Here, I'm, I'm getting back to 

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that with your help, by the way,
and thank you very much for 

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that. 
But I'm legitimately getting to 

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the point where, hey, April of 
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calendar. 
That's part of our, like, little

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contract client and Coach. 
That's my goal on the wall, 

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That's My Water. 
The Columbus physique 

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competition, April of 2023. 
And now when I say that people 

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are saying, well no kidding, 
this guy really could be 

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competitive Goals, it gave me a 
goal. 

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I didn't have one and I got out 
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Like I said, I went from a life 
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life. 
I didn't have goals and that's 

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catastrophic and like that was 
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I had goals when I was in the 
military I had that portfolio of

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35,000 people on you know 
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all over the globe that I was 
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And Saying in providing guidance
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that's purpose, man. 
That's that's big-time purpose. 

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That gives you reason to get out
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didn't have those goals, 
self-inflicted. 

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Sure. 
Anybody can point at me and say 

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you did that to idea. 
I absolutely did do that to 

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myself and I've taken 
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And, and I've made the 
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make. 
But that first year year, and 

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three months of life in retire, 
in retired, life, I did not have

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goals and I replaced that with 
alcohol. 

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And for anybody listening to 
this podcast, You got to have a 

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goal in life, man. 
You have to have something to 

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work for and when I raise my 
hand and say, hey I'm going to 

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do physique training and I'm 
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Did I believe it was going to 
happen in six months? 

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Hell no, hell no, but it gave me
something to work for and 

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looking at the scale and 
watching the pounds of off, it 

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gave me a sense of progress. 
The gave me a sense that I owned

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my life in my way forward, 
instead of the alcohol. and it 

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was that first year of, I don't 
think I can express the people 

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like the level of Despair that 
you have when you don't feel in 

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control of your own destiny when
you you don't feel like, not 

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only you not achieving goals but
you don't even have a damn goal 

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to begin with and it sounds so, 
Platitude, but how many hundreds

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of your clients? 
How many hundreds of yours and 

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casein and other trainers? 
These clients who they take up 

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Fitness training after an 
addiction, they take the 

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thickness training after a major
life life. 

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So then why? 
Because it's a goal and the 

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psychology of just goal setting 
and being able to see progress 

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towards something. 
And I didn't have that first 

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year out, I wasn't on my feet 
and I quit drinking and I could 

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give you the list of all the 
things that I've been able to 

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accomplish since then, it's 
amazing. 

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It's amazing what setting goals 
and and more importantly, just 

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getting that alcoholism under 
control. 

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What it's been able to do to me 
and how much of a better person 

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it's allowed me to become it's 
just phenomenal, weight training

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and proper nutrition is Thing in
the nth. 

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It's so incredibly tangible and 
actionable. 

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You know, like if my life is in 
total disarray, but I, at least 

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have my training. 
You know, in check. 

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And I'm on top of my nutrition. 
I can pick myself up from the 

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shambles and have a foothold in 
order to dig deep and move 

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forward. 
If I, If I sacrifice my diet and

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my training, then I am 
exponentially more likely to 

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just stay in a state of 
disarray. 

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For much much longer. 
Like, I've always tried to make 

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that a constant in my life. 
Now I messed up once and I can, 

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I can see this being akin to to 
you during that, you know, one 

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year and 20 days when it's like,
you've got your identity. 

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Slated, as this person that 
you've become up to that point 

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and you have purpose, you have 
people that rely on you, have 

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people that depend on you and 
you feel like you are a, you 

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know, asset. 
In this world and then all of a 

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sudden then is stripped from you
and you open your eyes to the 

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fact that the world isn't 
necessarily better for you in 

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some tangible way because you 
know what you reality as you see

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it is not reality anymore that 
that is a frightening thing like

443
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,800
I've heard accounts of people 
who you know their spouses 

444
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,600
cheated on them and then when 
that happens there they're 

445
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,600
forced to question every other 
reality that they've imagine up 

446
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,800
to that point. 
And it's like they get lost 

447
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,200
because nothing is solid 
anymore. 

448
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,500
So I feel like no matter who you
are and what you're doing, 

449
00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:42,200
having some sense of solid 
foundation in your life that is 

450
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,100
not necessarily your identity, 
but it's something that you have

451
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:51,400
a level footing on is so 
incredibly important to function

452
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,000
at a high rate or just a 
functional Baseline in order to 

453
00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:58,100
withstand the highs and lows 
that life will inevitably throw 

454
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:01,000
at you. 
Absolutely. 

455
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,000
And you hit on a couple things 
that I want to explain a little 

456
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,600
bit more. 
You literally were talking about

457
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,600
the definition of post-traumatic
stress. 

458
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:15,300
It can often be brought on by 
having experience with 

459
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:19,700
challenges your assumptions 
about how the world works and 

460
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:23,800
you would mentions, you know, 
you come home one day after 27 

461
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,600
years of marriage and found out 
that your spouse has had a fair 

462
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:32,000
on. 
And, or You know, children who 

463
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,700
watch their parents separate and
or soldiers, who go away to 

464
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:38,200
combat were raised on a solid 
white, right? 

465
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,400
You have to kill in order to 
make it through out and those 

466
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,900
are all experiences that 
challenge your assumptions and 

467
00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:51,800
beliefs of how the world 
operates and that can be often 

468
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:59,100
where post-traumatic stress 
comes from. and, I don't. 

469
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,100
I don't think it was a singular 
event for me that brought on 

470
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:10,000
post-traumatic stress. 
The my situation was more of a 

471
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:16,100
self-inflicted and that made it 
even worse for me was to go from

472
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,200
this. 
This purpose and meaning choice 

473
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,400
that I may need to get out and 
go do it. 

474
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,600
And that, that's what made it 
doubly difficult for me, was I 

475
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:34,000
have no one to blame but myself,
I I knew exactly. 

476
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,100
I knew that my situation in the 
exactly where I was in life and 

477
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:42,100
the Suffering, The Daily 
suffering, I was going through 

478
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,000
my fault, I was the one who was 
drinking. 

479
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,400
I was the one who voluntarily 
resigned from the north, right. 

480
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:56,500
I did those things and Well, I 
was really interesting when I 

481
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,000
finally got off my ass and 
admitted and looked in the 

482
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,000
mirror and said, it's your 
fault, but if you take 

483
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,300
responsibility for it, that 
means you can also make changes 

484
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:08,500
that are going to change your 
future. 

485
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:16,800
And that's what happened on the 
21st of June. 2018, I wept I 

486
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,900
woke up like I said, sometimes 
if you love and 12 wet Pride 

487
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:25,500
nothing I called some friends of
mine and I said, I really don't 

488
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:29,800
know if I'm going to make it 
called a good friend of mine. 

489
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,400
He's not going to bother. 
He's not gonna be bothered by 

490
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,400
this atolls name is Jamie and 
he'd been sober for like 10 

491
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,200
years. 
But I called him and said you 

492
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,900
tell me there's hope. 
I know what, I know. 

493
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:43,900
I have to change. 
I just spoke to him yesterday. 

494
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,400
Alcoholics, it's funny. 
We kind of have this view. 

495
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,700
Celebrate the Day. 
You celebrate the Day of your 

496
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:52,800
last drink. 
Would you celebrate the first 

497
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,700
day of sobriety? 
I kind of celebrate both to the 

498
00:32:56,700 --> 00:33:00,200
20th of June call them up. 
It's like a am three years ago 

499
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,600
today. 
I have my last drink and then 

500
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,900
the 21st of June is this is kind
of my celebrating my anniversary

501
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:11,700
of sobriety. 
So so anyway, there's that 

502
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:14,200
post-traumatic stress that I 
wanted to touch on it, but that 

503
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,000
was really interesting, what you
brought up. 

504
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:18,700
You also brought up the the 
working out part. 

505
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,400
I don't think this can be 
overstated the physiological 

506
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:30,200
benefits of working out. 
How many hundreds of times, rob,

507
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,600
you personally have. 
You been in a bad mood? 

508
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:36,400
Pissed off about something 
you're tired because you didn't 

509
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,400
get enough sleep. 
You're dehydrated. 

510
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,600
Whatever the case might be, and 
then that little voice just 

511
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,500
says, hey man. 
Five minutes into your first 

512
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:49,000
set, you know, this feeling's 
all going to go away. 

513
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:56,100
Why wouldn't lay downs, right? 
So that was me this morning that

514
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:59,100
was me this morning. 
I was like dude you know you own

515
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:03,200
your own business and sometimes 
duty calls and there was seven 

516
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,100
o'clock or 11 o'clock on a 
Sunday night I'm working I get 

517
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:10,300
up in the morning and just 
dragging myself out of bed. 

518
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,199
But that little that little 
voice in my head said five 

519
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,199
minutes into your first set. 
You know this, all of this is 

520
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:23,699
going to go away and it did. 
And that to me, I'm hooked. 

521
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:26,600
Like I do have new addictions. 
Yeah. 

522
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,400
Yeah. 
And that addiction is the gym 

523
00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:31,300
and also going to add the steam 
room. 

524
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,699
I 20 minutes. 
Every what I wrap up every 

525
00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:37,600
single workout, I spent 20 
minutes in the steam room. 

526
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,400
It's like the meaning of life 
than, you know, you got to join 

527
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,300
them. 
It's the best thing going. 

528
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,699
Yeah, I'm jealous of that. 
I've always wanted to have a 

529
00:34:45,707 --> 00:34:47,699
steam room. 
It's like therapeutic, man. 

530
00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:51,500
You work out insanely hard. 
Leave it on the table and you go

531
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:54,199
in that steam room. 
It's like, that's like, that's 

532
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,199
like The icing on top, it's like
that. 

533
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,100
That's what give that's what you
work for to be able to enjoy 

534
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:00,300
that and know that you earned 
it. 

535
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,600
Yeah, a couple things. 
You know, I'm good now. 

536
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,400
Like I feel like the reason why 
I want to have this conversation

537
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:15,400
was mostly for other people who 
might need some hope. 

538
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,200
So I'd like to just go ahead. 
This is how anybody is listening

539
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,300
and they need help. 
You can contact you. 

540
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:29,800
All right, my my number at the 
business, 70 six, six four, one 

541
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,200
two, seven three, three seven 
zero, six, six four, one, two, 

542
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,700
seven, three, three. 
Just ask for Michael. 

543
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:42,200
I'll return your call, man. 
I don't care if we ever meet, I 

544
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,100
don't care. 
What kind of help me trust me 

545
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:50,800
when I say this, every 
recovering recovered alcoholic 

546
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:56,100
or addict would say the same 
thing you can always I'll find 

547
00:35:56,100 --> 00:36:01,500
somebody in your area. 
I just want to let people know, 

548
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:04,900
like the future gets a lot 
better. 

549
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,300
Once you put down chemicals. 
Once you stop the substance 

550
00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:18,000
abuse, It took me about three 
days to recover from the acute, 

551
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:24,600
the acute addiction like that, 
that the physical hangovers, and

552
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,400
they just getting rehydrated 
etcetera. 

553
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,400
It's a poison. 
It took me about 72 hours to get

554
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,300
over. 
It took me about three weeks for

555
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:39,700
me to realize that, like, no 
kidding. 

556
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:45,800
I probably We can actually put 
drinking, and it took me about 

557
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,700
three months for me to realize, 
like, wow, I think I actually 

558
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:53,000
have equipment something about 
3, right? 

559
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,000
3 days, to physically recover 
three weeks, for me to realize 

560
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,800
that, I'm building up some 
steam. 

561
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,100
I might really be able to beat 
this about three months later. 

562
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:09,800
I realized like, wow, three 
months sober and I'm telling 

563
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:16,700
you, I'll have uncles cousins, 
aunts and we all say the same 

564
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:19,900
thing life. 
Just keeps getting better on the

565
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:23,800
other side, just have to put 
your foot down and you have to 

566
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:33,200
reach out for help call somebody
and It's just I'm just I am a 

567
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:40,000
supercharged. 
Human since I quit drinking is 

568
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,300
just it's not even comparison to
the same person. 

569
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:46,200
Yeah. 
Well, people need to know that 

570
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,900
they're not alone. 
Like when you're when you're 

571
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:53,200
struggling with anything, it's 
easy to fall into this pit of 

572
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,900
despair and assume that the 
you're the only one that's ever 

573
00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:58,600
experienced. 
These emotions that you've got 

574
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,300
these special circumstances that
you're a unique Snowflake and no

575
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:03,700
one's ever gone through this 
before. 

576
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:07,000
But that's that's not the case. 
I mean so many people Have gone 

577
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,200
through this and simply having 
somebody that call and just you 

578
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,200
know, vent to get the weight off
your chest. 

579
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:18,000
I mean that is liberating yeah, 
all me 706. 

580
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,900
That's for one two, seven, 
three, three men, call me Ivy 

581
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:27,400
league-educated Colonel, Elite 
Army, Special Operations and 

582
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:31,500
food. 
I was in freefall and and I 

583
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:35,600
bring that up as like hey nobody
cares. 

584
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,500
You Alcohol doesn't care about 
your resume again. 

585
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:45,400
Yeah, doesn't care at all. 
So, what life has gotten a lot 

586
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,600
better? 
I hope. 

587
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,600
At some point, I'll be able to 
brag up on some of the things 

588
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,600
that we've been able to 
accomplish sense. 

589
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,700
Sobriety, I'm telling you, he's 
just been a phenomenal, three 

590
00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:59,800
years. 
Let's dive into some stuff man. 

591
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,600
I want to talk a little bit 
about what is your thoughts on 

592
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:10,000
alcohol for people that don't 
seem to have any issues with it 

593
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,800
like because that is there a 
negative connotation that 

594
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,500
Associates with that? 
Or is it in different? 

595
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:20,600
What's the take their? 
No, not at all, you know, 

596
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,400
alcoholism takes out pending on 
what statute you look at, five 

597
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,900
to ten percent, but that means 
the other ninety the night. 

598
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:33,000
Five percent. 
Don't have a problem Hall and I 

599
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,000
don't I see it every day. 
The vast majority of my 

600
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,500
customers come in and vast, 
majority of them have 2 or 3 Min

601
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:51,400
pay their tab, go home and play 
with the kids and I don't have 

602
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,500
there's no judgment at all. 
I've accepted that, that was my 

603
00:39:56,500 --> 00:40:01,900
problem and that is something 
that I can't project onto other 

604
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:05,400
people. 
And I think that I speak for the

605
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,600
vast majority of addicts and 
alcoholics when I say yeah. 

606
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,500
So I don't think that faith that
all I'm can be around it. 

607
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:17,700
Professionally, I do see myself 
moving on from the alcohol 

608
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:22,600
industry. 
Very obvious, non sequitur, An 

609
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,100
alcoholic, who produces and 
sells beer, I do think at some 

610
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:30,700
point, I needed to find some 
synchronicity between my 

611
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:32,700
personal life and my 
professional life. 

612
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:37,600
With that's another story. 
In the meantime, I don't have 

613
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,700
any negative connotation 
whatsoever and I think the 

614
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:49,100
general Trend in the addict 
alcoholic spaces are You need to

615
00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:52,400
own your problem, let other 
people worry about themselves. 

616
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,300
Yeah, I like that. 
I like that a lot. 

617
00:40:56,300 --> 00:41:00,900
I feel like people people need 
hope, you know, and if they can 

618
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:04,800
look at somebody, that's 
successfully moved past that 

619
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:10,500
hurdle and is living the life 
and doing so, with profound 

620
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,100
degree of success, that in 
itself is incredibly inspiring 

621
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:17,400
and hopeful to others. 
So, that's what I've tried to do

622
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,600
with nutrition. 
That's what you're doing by, you

623
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,800
know, being there on the front 
lines, working in a brewery but 

624
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,400
not, And then incorporating 
other healthy habits into your 

625
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,200
life. 
That's that's empowering. 

626
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:31,800
It is. 
Yeah, it's really empowering. 

627
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:38,800
Go ahead. 
I was gonna transition to your 

628
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:43,500
physical Journey here, lately 
beyond the alcohol, but what 

629
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:50,300
were you about to say? 
I was going to say that, you 

630
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:55,800
know, the thing that strikes me 
the most, and this is kind of 

631
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,600
cutting you off at the pass and 
I guess talking about the 

632
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:04,200
physical Journey, it took me 
about a year to physically 

633
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,700
recover not not to achieve what 
I've achieved since, but just 

634
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:11,700
physically recover from the 
detrimental effects of alcohol. 

635
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:16,900
But I saw a friend of mine that 
I hadn't seen in a long time and

636
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,300
soon as Payments of the room 
looked at me and she said, your 

637
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:24,300
skin, he's skins not grinding. 
What you look so much younger 

638
00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:29,900
and that was that was the first,
I think I hadn't seen her in a 

639
00:42:29,908 --> 00:42:34,800
year and a half and so that was 
just one of those signs of that,

640
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,200
that physical recovery. 
So yeah, let's talk about 

641
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:44,700
physical aspects of being drug 
and alcohol free and the new 

642
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:47,200
lifestyle. 
Well, let me brag on you, just a

643
00:42:47,207 --> 00:42:50,900
little A bit because when you 
contacted me and said that you 

644
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:56,500
wanted to, you know, lean out 
with a ketogenic approach, you 

645
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:58,800
know, it was weird. 
Like I said, at the very 

646
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,200
beginning, we've been working 
together for several months and 

647
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,800
your transformation itself was 
incredibly impressive. 

648
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:11,300
But one thing that stood out at 
the onset is you never once 

649
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:17,900
deviated from the plan and the 
there's no secret This stuff, 

650
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:20,000
like any of the nutritional 
manipulations, I make with my 

651
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,300
clients or, you know, practice 
like methodologies that I've put

652
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:26,700
publicly out on YouTube, but 
there's no secret to it. 

653
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:29,900
Like, the, the quote unquote 
secret is just simply having 

654
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:32,700
discipline and consistency, and 
then having a strategy. 

655
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:35,700
But that strategy is what we 
worked on and worked out from 

656
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:37,700
the beginning. 
But by you simply being as 

657
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:41,700
discipline and consistent as you
were, I mean, you continue to 

658
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:44,300
make progress week after week 
after week. 

659
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:46,700
And I feel like there's so much 
to be said for that. 

660
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,800
So, Thank you for being as 
detail-oriented and disciplined 

661
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,600
as you were as a client because 
you make my last super easy for 

662
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,900
sure. 
Well, I appreciate it. 

663
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:01,800
You know, you provided the 
knowledge as well, and he also 

664
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,700
provided, you know, that 
external accountability, which 

665
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:08,100
is great for an attic and great 
for our body gum. 

666
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:14,500
I appreciate that. 
I think accountability is huge. 

667
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:17,000
I feel like that's at the end of
this, what anybody would ever 

668
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,900
hire me. 
I mean, having someone to be 

669
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:21,000
accountable to, that's why 
anyone would hire any coach for 

670
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,100
that matter. 
Yeah, yeah, it's just that 

671
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:28,100
external accountability, but it 
wasn't just the body fat in 

672
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:29,500
there. 
A lot of other changes that 

673
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:34,900
happens and, you know, my 
ability to be on hunting trips 

674
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:39,000
and my ability to engage in not 
here. 

675
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,000
So many times people say, we 
repeated that guide to during 

676
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,500
space with parents, that's not 
true. 

677
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:50,300
That is not true. 
I'm telling you hunting elk 

678
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:54,000
10,000 feet. 
Is an endurance event mother 

679
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,200
and, and can I share with you 
kind of the story and last 

680
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,100
year's open as far as, like, the
ketogenic lifestyle? 

681
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:04,000
And how that applies myo means, 
can you get a little close to 

682
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,200
the mic? 
Your kind of fading out a little

683
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,400
bit. 
Yep. 

684
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:07,400
Sorry. 
Is that better? 

685
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,200
Much better. 
Okay, so last year's hunt I was 

686
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,000
already ketogenic at that point 
and so I was already fat 

687
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,700
adapted, my ketones are going 
through the roof. 

688
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:25,400
And while I was hunting, I was I
was Eating intuitively. 

689
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,200
I was eating one meal a day and 
I was leaving intuitively but 

690
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:34,000
but at night after the hunt was 
over, I wasn't going overboard. 

691
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,500
But you know it was just an 
incredible exertion of calories 

692
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:43,100
throughout the day and I 
remember it was day two or day 

693
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:48,000
three, that the guy looked at me
and he said, aren't you going to

694
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,900
eat anything that's about? 
I'll eat when I get back. 

695
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:57,200
And it just blew his of loving 
mind and he said, what do you 

696
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,400
mean you? 
You didn't eat breakfast. 

697
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:05,900
I said no, I one meal a day. 
I'll eat after we get back, you 

698
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:09,600
know, shower change and make 
some bacon and eggs and I'll be 

699
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,000
good for the day and he still to
this day, I still talk to him, 

700
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:18,500
he can believe that. 
I would go out into the woods. 

701
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:21,500
Now we're waking up at 2:30 in 
the morning, right? 

702
00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:24,800
Where We're starting our hike 
Into the Woods at 4:30 in the 

703
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:30,000
morning and, you know, you're 
there at 10,000, she glassing 

704
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,200
for bull elk, a mile away, so 
low, oxygen, massive, physical 

705
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,600
exertion, all of the other folks
who are on the Strip are 

706
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,500
breaking into Power bars are 
drinking Gatorades. 

707
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:46,600
Are you know what I mean? 
Having already eaten breakfast. 

708
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,800
Etc, etc. 
I had a cup of coffee. 

709
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:54,500
And I wasn't reading my ketones 
out in the woods. 

710
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:59,100
Don't get me wrong, but I was 
sprinting up these Hills. 

711
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,000
You know, I would go from 8,500,
foot up to 10,000 foot because 

712
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,300
we heard a bull elk on the other
side of the mountain. 

713
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:09,200
And, you know, here's his flat 
foot from out and, you know, the

714
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:15,200
Eastern Time Zone I was never 
hungry, never hungry the whole 

715
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,200
time. 
I'd come home, I would have my 

716
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,700
bacon and eggs and my rib eye. 
And you know, smoke a cigar and 

717
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:26,300
wind down for the day sleep and 
I repeated that for a week 

718
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:30,900
straight and it just absolutely 
blew everybody in Camp. 

719
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:35,100
It just absolutely blew their 
mind that this this mountain 

720
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:39,300
goat of a guy was just spreading
up and down on quote unquote to 

721
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:41,600
them. 
I was on an empty stomach, but 

722
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,500
me and your your listeners know 
that my Ketone bodies were just 

723
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:48,900
racing through my bloodstream. 
I was full of energy. 

724
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,400
I never felt drained. 
I never felt depleted, and this 

725
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,400
was long sustained. 
You know, 10, 12 hour day out 

726
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,000
there hunting, you know, at in 
the peaks, of the Rockies 

727
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,500
chasing, these big stinky 
animals and it was great. 

728
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:07,900
And I think I've really changed 
a lot of people's minds about 

729
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:11,900
the ketogenic lifestyle. 
Yeah, from a hunting perspective

730
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:15,600
alone. 
I feel like it's like a like, I 

731
00:48:15,607 --> 00:48:18,700
don't want to use secret weapon,
but I mean, I don't know another

732
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:22,500
appropriate word for because 
like when you are, you know, 

733
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,500
trying to be incredibly 
strategic in the weight of your 

734
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:29,900
pack and be minimal in the way 
that you're bringing with you. 

735
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:34,900
And if so much of that is going 
to be water food. 

736
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:38,700
Snack bars, gels, Goos, and all 
the stuff that comes with it, 

737
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:40,600
all the carbohydrates. 
All Bulk. 

738
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,200
That's not a very good use of 
that that packs. 

739
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,300
Wait, so to bypass all of that 
and either fast or eat, 

740
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:51,900
something that is incredibly 
calorically dense and is not 

741
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:55,500
going to take up much space or 
weight in your pack and be able 

742
00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:58,600
to function at a high rate from 
a performance standpoint on a 

743
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,400
moment's notice. 
I mean that's I mean there's no 

744
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,800
other diet that that bodes, well
for that Beyond ketogenic 

745
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,100
carnivore Diamond. 
That is the superior diet for 

746
00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:09,500
that style of training and 
Fitness. 

747
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:12,600
Needs. 
Oh there's no question and I 

748
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,200
would also add, you know, take 
out the the Rockies, you know, 

749
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,700
shooting on a bull elk from 600 
yards away. 

750
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:20,300
Take take that out of the 
equation. 

751
00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:23,500
Now, talk about being, an 
eastern white, tail tree, stand 

752
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:29,100
Hunter, and having to break into
a Nature's Valley or or, you 

753
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:32,400
know, take the brand out, 
whatever opening up all these 

754
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,600
cellophane wrappers. 
So now you just added smell and 

755
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:43,500
now you've also just added sound
into An environment where sent 

756
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:47,400
and sounds are going to kill 
your odds of being able to get 

757
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,000
close enough to put an arrow 
through a deer. 

758
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:56,900
And so, I mean I don't I would 
encourage all Hunters to adapt, 

759
00:49:57,300 --> 00:50:01,600
you know, within Reason Adapted 
ketogenic lifestyle because it's

760
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,600
going to actually increase your 
odds of being able to get shot. 

761
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,100
Close to a whitetail, 
particularly out here on the 

762
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:10,600
East Coast. 
If you're hunting from a tree 

763
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,800
stand. 
And, you know, it's if you're 

764
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,600
sitting there eating Big Macs 
and McDonald's all day long in 

765
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,400
the tree stand which, you know, 
God love him. 

766
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,900
He's a great friend of mine but 
my buddy who is going out with 

767
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:25,300
me it was like, he was Tethered 
to he had to snack every three 

768
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:28,000
to four hours in order to keep 
his energy stores up. 

769
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:32,400
Yeah, you know imagine if we 
were trying to hunt from you 

770
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,700
know hunting whitetail deer from
a tree stand that that deer 

771
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:38,200
would smell you and hear you a 
mile away. 

772
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,300
And so I think it's Optimal for 
hunting plus it just makes you 

773
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:46,100
like when you're eating like 
that it just it dulls your 

774
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:49,800
senses like when I'm in a fasted
State, I don't do a whole lot of

775
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,400
extended fasting. 
I don't, it's not really 

776
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,000
conducive from a bodybuilding 
standpoint. 

777
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:59,000
But whenever I do do an extended
fasting, my attentiveness is 

778
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,200
literally through the roof, like
my ability to form a sentence is

779
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,400
improved, noticeably improved. 
I mean, I'm just much more 

780
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,700
detail oriented and that's what 
you would want in a heightened 

781
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:12,800
state of Of awareness when 
you're out in the woods, trying 

782
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:18,200
to be more attuned to any sound 
sight flicker or anything out of

783
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,100
place. 
So, I think from a, from a 

784
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:24,200
predatory standpoint, if you're,
if you're a fat adapted, 

785
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,100
Predator, you're going to be a 
much more lethal, Predator. 

786
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:31,500
I agree, 100%. 
I'm stoked for this hunting trip

787
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:33,600
that we've got coming up in 
November. 

788
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:39,000
So, it, I read you sent me the 
checklist and everything and I 

789
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,600
didn't notice we didn't talk 
about this, but it said, And on 

790
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,900
there that you've got to be able
to go in by horseback and know 

791
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:46,700
how to ride everything. 
I'm assuming that we are in fact

792
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:48,600
going in by horseback, so we're 
going deep in there. 

793
00:51:50,300 --> 00:51:55,400
What will probably end up doing 
is, we'll probably end up hiking

794
00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:00,600
in until we get an elk and then 
it'll be horseback packed out. 

795
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:09,900
So we're not going to drop camp 
immediately, but you and I given

796
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:14,700
our physical abilities, we are 
going to be hiking in several 

797
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:17,600
miles. 
So we'll hit the trail. 

798
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,200
Head will park the truck. 
Output are ball caps on 

799
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,400
backwards. 
When we do put an elk on the 

800
00:52:24,408 --> 00:52:29,500
ground that is when the, that 
is, when the horses and pack 

801
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:35,200
mules, come out, and because 
they're just too big, we're not 

802
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,900
going. 
You and I are not going to do 

803
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:42,000
what they call the drop camp, 
which is we pack in for 68 hours

804
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,500
and we go set up like a cloth 
walled tent. 

805
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:49,500
Yeah, we're going to, you know, 
you and I haven't actually met 

806
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:52,700
Made the arrangements yet but we
can either Camp there in the San

807
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:56,000
Juan National Forest or we can 
go ahead and get like a VRBO 

808
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:59,400
little cabin for 50 bucks a day,
right there on the edge of the 

809
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,500
forest, but will actually hike 
it in and every day with our 

810
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:06,600
guide, and I am looking forward 
to that. 

811
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:09,900
Yeah. 
Again, success rates are very 

812
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:11,700
high. 
So, the likelihood that we are 

813
00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:14,900
going to be hopping on horses is
very high. 

814
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:19,100
So, yeah, we're going to 
participate in that begin, man. 

815
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:22,300
It's It's cool for me, like 
because I, I am, I'm in 

816
00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:23,500
Arkansas. 
Do most of the hunting in 

817
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:25,700
Arkansas, so there's not much 
elevation. 

818
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,100
So anytime I do, go hunting out 
west. 

819
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:33,100
It's interesting because people 
assume that since I am not from 

820
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:35,300
out west. 
I can't handle the elevation of 

821
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:38,700
can't handle the climbs and I 
like proving them wrong. 

822
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:41,300
Like I like it when they can't 
keep up with me. 

823
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,400
So it'll be cool because I think
it's such a challenge men. 

824
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,600
Like when you're when you're 
carrying a 60-pound pack and a 

825
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:53,600
half Heavy rifle or a bow and 
then water, and you got your 

826
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,700
gear on. 
You got boots on, I mean, you're

827
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:58,200
going up, rocks in the steep 
grade like people that have 

828
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,100
never hunted and never done 
that. 

829
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,100
That is a frickin work out right
there. 

830
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:05,300
Like I can I can be doing a 
bodybuilding prep competition 

831
00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:08,700
for six months and have rigorous
training intensity, all that 

832
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:13,500
time, but I go on a weekend log,
you know, heavy intense, camping

833
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,300
/ hunting event and my asses 
whooped by the end of it. 

834
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:22,600
Oh yeah. 
Absolutely and see elevation as 

835
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:23,900
well. 
You know, you worked been 

836
00:54:23,900 --> 00:54:28,500
depleted oxygen State and it's 
just that that constant massive 

837
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:34,200
caloric burn all day long. 
I mean you're hiking in say 

838
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,800
three, four, five miles, and 
that's that's just the beat the 

839
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,400
Sun up and Lord knows what's 
going to happen. 

840
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,700
After that you might hear an 
elk, bugle, two miles away. 

841
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:48,900
And as I've told you before, I 
mean, there is no. 

842
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,500
There is no hey, powder your 
feet and it's grab your pack and

843
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,800
let's go. 
We are, we are, it's it's own 

844
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:03,400
athletic event and if you're not
in shape, you know, you're going

845
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,400
to be suffering out there. 
You know, that's, that's kind of

846
00:55:06,408 --> 00:55:10,400
why I'm excited to go with you 
is I'm going with somebody who 

847
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,600
can physically? 
Hang with me? 

848
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:19,700
Not not, not to be too, not to 
boast too much but like, Like I 

849
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:21,400
want to go out there, you're a 
professional. 

850
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,900
I look at you as a professional 
athlete and I tell people like 

851
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:26,900
I'm going out there with a 
professional athlete. 

852
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:32,000
My goal is to just beat him into
the side of the mountain by. 

853
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,600
I just I'm doing so many Hill 
Sprints and I I want him to look

854
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,800
up at me at 49 years old and be 
like, hey, old man slow down. 

855
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,200
I need to catch my breath and, 
and, but see that's what 

856
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,900
competitive, you know, 
competitive athletic friends do.

857
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,400
And it's, I'm sure I'm sure 
you're going to look at me and 

858
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,200
say the same, same thing man you
know that you want to beat me 

859
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,800
into the side of the mountain. 
I came back from the last trip 

860
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,600
and they you know they nicknamed
me the mountain goat. 

861
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,700
It couldn't believe like this 
skinny old man was just 

862
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:08,000
sprinting up these Hills like he
was you know this East Coast 

863
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,300
flatlander so I love heading out
west and I love showing those 

864
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:17,000
Western guides that you know 
these East Coast guys can be in 

865
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,200
shape enough to just day one 
just Starts burning up the 

866
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,100
mountain with the guide. 
Well, hunting itself as a 

867
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:27,800
hunting, as a sport is such a 
misrepresented sport by 

868
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,400
mainstream Society like people 
just assume you know you drive 

869
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,500
around your truck until you see 
something and then you roll the 

870
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:37,300
window down and take your rifle 
out the window and shoot and 

871
00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:39,700
that's I mean, there definitely 
are people that do that and they

872
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:43,400
sicken me. 
And there's people that, you 

873
00:56:43,408 --> 00:56:46,100
know, just hunting deer stand, 
which is what I've done most of 

874
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:47,900
the hunting and is in a deer 
stand. 

875
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:54,200
But I've Enough now like hiking 
in and backpacking and really 

876
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,400
freaking boots-on-the-ground 
spot and stalk cunning. 

877
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,200
And I've got so much respect for
that style of hunting that. 

878
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,100
Like, if you don't train for 
that, like if you don't train 

879
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:06,500
and have some baseline 
Functional Health and Fitness, 

880
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,500
you will not be successful. 
Like that is just it. 

881
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:14,300
You will not be able to end that
hunt with a success. 

882
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:18,800
So that to me is what makes 
hunting a legitimate sport. 

883
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:20,000
Art. 
And that's the kind of fun thing

884
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,400
that I that I, you know, I enjoy
that. 

885
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,800
That's a challenge to me. 
I like being pushed in that. 

886
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:31,000
Pushes me. 
Yeah, and I also love, I agree 

887
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,500
with everything you just said. 
I also love knowing exactly 

888
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:37,800
where all of the meat in my 
freezer for the year came from. 

889
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:43,800
And I also love and I mean, this
very sincerely, I love being 

890
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,600
able to give that animal a 
dignified meaningful and 

891
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:55,300
purposeful way out, you know, 
you have You have a lot of folks

892
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:58,500
who might have very strong 
emotions about killing an 

893
00:57:58,500 --> 00:58:01,200
animal. 
I would just encourage them to. 

894
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,200
Also keep in mind, you know, 
what happens to an animal when 

895
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:09,200
it dies of old age out in the 
wild, it's not pretty and, you 

896
00:58:09,207 --> 00:58:13,100
know, one shot, one well-placed 
ethical shot and a few seconds 

897
00:58:13,100 --> 00:58:17,100
later and it's a painless Quick 
Pass. 

898
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:20,900
I know that that animal is 
treated ethically throughout its

899
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:23,100
life. 
I know what led a good natural 

900
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:24,700
life. 
Like some of the store-bought 

901
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:27,100
meat that I do occasionally go 
for. 

902
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:31,800
So I like and I enjoy and I 
appreciate that. 

903
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,300
I know exactly where that meat 
came from and it's all grass fed

904
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:41,600
organic Wild game that was not 
abused or mistreated throughout 

905
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,900
its life. 
And and that's that's a big part

906
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:46,900
of it for me as well. 
I'm guessing mule deer. 

907
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:49,600
Backstrap sitting on the counter
right now, throwing up for my 

908
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,400
dinner tonight. 
So I'm right there with you man.

909
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:53,500
And like us, you got a mule 
there? 

910
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,200
R. 
I was just talking to somebody 

911
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,900
today about. 
That's my net, I need to get a 

912
00:58:56,908 --> 00:58:58,100
mule deer next. 
Yeah. 

913
00:58:58,100 --> 00:58:59,300
Yeah, I killed him. 
You lie. 

914
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:02,900
I guess it was your for last. 
So he denied some back strap 

915
00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:06,600
from him tonight, but a writer's
do. 

916
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:12,100
But, yeah, I think like people 
people don't realize that if I 

917
00:59:12,107 --> 00:59:14,000
mean, first of all, if you 
eating meat, you have to 

918
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,200
recognize and be honest to the 
fact that something died to put 

919
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,000
that meat on your plate. 
So you have to appreciate that. 

920
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:26,600
Simple fact and secondly, you I 
have found that in becoming a 

921
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:32,100
hunter and in in in in taking 
the life of another animal my 

922
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:38,200
appreciation for life itself is 
exponentially heightened and I 

923
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:41,400
appreciate that. 
I feel like that's been able to 

924
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,600
play an integral part in that 
entire circle of life, makes you

925
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:52,100
appreciate the beauty of life. 
Oh, that's pretty deep Rob. 

926
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:54,700
I don't disagree. 
Yeah. 

927
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,800
Yeah, that's it. 
Man. 

928
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,900
That's it on the nose. 
Yeah, I mean we're speaking the 

929
01:00:02,908 --> 01:00:04,300
same language, man. 
It's gonna be good. 

930
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,700
I'm excited to do this 
Expedition with you. 

931
01:00:06,700 --> 01:00:08,700
I'm excited to make some more 
memories. 

932
01:00:08,700 --> 01:00:11,900
I'm excited to keep working with
and get you down then fat 2023 

933
01:00:11,900 --> 01:00:13,600
competition. 
Man, like you continue to 

934
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:18,600
impress me with each week two 
passes and I'm just I'm just I'm

935
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,600
very blessed and grateful to 
have been able to play a small 

936
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,200
part in that Journey, you played
a bigger part than you think. 

937
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:31,200
And I just want to one more. 
Shout out to any listener. 

938
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:38,900
Hey, if you need help in any 
way, You can call me 706 6412 

939
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:46,000
733 ask for Michael and I will. 
I will move mountains for 

940
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:51,400
stranger to that that's how 
Goods sober life is now, man, I 

941
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:56,100
would do anything for a stranger
to give you the hope that in the

942
01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:58,200
future. 
You could have the same recovery

943
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:03,900
that I have had. 
And I couldn't be more blessed 

944
01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:06,200
to have friends like you and my 
life Rob. 

945
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,200
And I couldn't be more blessed 
to have achieved sobriety after 

946
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:15,400
that that year in 20 days of 
living hell, and whatever. 

947
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,900
I can possibly do to help any of
your listeners, to help them 

948
01:01:19,900 --> 01:01:23,700
achieve the same thing. 
I'll just I'll end by saying 

949
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:27,400
there's Hope on the other side 
man and life just gets better 

950
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,800
every single day. 
Amen. 

951
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,300
And then brother, could not 
agree more. 

952
01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:34,700
Where's that? 
Well, you've got your own 

953
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:36,700
podcast Network where people go 
to listen to you. 

954
01:01:37,300 --> 01:01:41,100
I do I do have my own podcast 
706 wherever you download your 

955
01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:48,000
podcasts, Apple Spotify cetera. 
It's just podcast 706 were in 

956
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,200
Columbus, Georgia. 
And that is the 706 area code. 

957
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:56,100
And that has just been an 
absolute Blast for me. 

958
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:59,000
I've met so many people that I 
never thought I would. 

959
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:02,800
We're pretty big city here 
Columbus Georgia. 

960
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,300
You know the the mayor like 
walks up to me on the street 

961
01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:07,500
like hey Mike, what's going on? 
When are we going to interview 

962
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:09,600
next? 
I'm like wow you know this I 

963
01:02:09,607 --> 01:02:14,000
mean it's a big city, you know, 
I've got NFL pros who come in 

964
01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:19,800
our focus is on. 
We're a Civic engagement and 

965
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,400
Free Speech platform. 
So we go out of our way to get 

966
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,400
Civic leaders. 
Got some generals from the local

967
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:32,500
military base president from 
Local University Senators, 

968
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:35,600
congressmen, Etc. 
And it's all about those local 

969
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:40,000
topics that are affecting life 
here in the area code 706. 

970
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:47,500
So, Apple Spotify wherever you 
get your downloads podcast 706, 

971
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:51,100
we're also on Facebook and 
Instagram at podcast, 706, 

972
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:52,900
awesome. 
And will, almost certainly 

973
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:55,700
linked answer that. 
Let's do a round two after the 

974
01:02:55,700 --> 01:02:57,200
hunt. 
Hopefully, we can, we can 

975
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,000
recount the events of the The of
a successful elk hunt on the 

976
01:03:01,008 --> 01:03:03,500
next podcast. 
We're going to make a wager. 

977
01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:05,700
We need to make a wager right 
now. 

978
01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:07,200
I'll wager. 
Wow. 

979
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,800
Wager the you're gonna stay all 
before I do go on. 

980
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:14,200
Let's see how I'm interesting 
man. 

981
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,300
I'm a glutton for punishment. 
Like I like doing things with 

982
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,800
with zero training beyond what I
currently do, just to see if my 

983
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,700
Baseline Fitness is acceptable 
at that. 

984
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:28,200
It's like when I ran that 
Marathon, I ran it with zero 

985
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,800
prep work. 
See myself doing the same thing 

986
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,500
for this in which case, I don't 
know what's going to happen, 

987
01:03:34,100 --> 01:03:35,400
Okay? 
You think that's why I'm think 

988
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,000
that's a good idea. 
You think it's terrible. 

989
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:41,800
I think that's a horrible idea. 
And I was, I would say here's 

990
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:46,200
your competition. 
Bro, I Airborne Ranger 

991
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,100
graduated, Special Forces, Green
Beret. 

992
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:52,500
And I went to prisoner of war 
camp twice for training. 

993
01:03:52,700 --> 01:03:56,600
So, if you want to talk about 
glutton for punishment and I'll 

994
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,100
break my, I'll break my damn 
leg, and I won't quit. 

995
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,800
Whit. 
So, just to see you say uncle. 

996
01:04:02,900 --> 01:04:08,100
I just want to say all right, 
ma'am, I guess I've been thrown 

997
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:11,500
man. 
It's all you got to make this 

998
01:04:11,500 --> 01:04:15,400
BET right now so it's all in 
good fun. 

999
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,400
It's all good fun because I know
that you're a phenomenal human 

1000
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,300
being and and you're going to 
show up in great shape and and I

1001
01:04:22,308 --> 01:04:25,600
make that bet just what we were 
saying half an hour ago that 

1002
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,400
external accountability. 
So now I just made myself 

1003
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,400
externally Noble to all of your 
listening Nation. 

1004
01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:34,300
Rather. 
Well, it is going to be here 

1005
01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:37,500
before, you know, it man and in 
light of what you've just said, 

1006
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,100
I will start training 
specifically for this. 

1007
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:44,400
I'll start trail running up a 
damn Mountain every single day 

1008
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,600
if I need to, but I won't be 
saying Uncle. 

1009
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:51,000
All right, I'm going to send you
a link to a one of those oxygen 

1010
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,800
deprivation masks as well. 
Nice, nice. 

1011
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,600
I'll give that a shot for sure. 
I'll check it out. 

1012
01:04:56,900 --> 01:04:58,300
Amen. 
Always a pleasure talking to 

1013
01:04:58,300 --> 01:05:00,100
you. 
I've thoroughly enjoyed every 

1014
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:02,700
conversation. 
We've had, you know, This point 

1015
01:05:02,700 --> 01:05:05,000
and Beyond. 
So, keep doing what you're 

1016
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,500
doing, man. 
You're an inspiration to many. 

1017
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,100
Even if you don't realize it 
sometimes, hey, I appreciate 

1018
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:12,400
that brother and so, are you 
take came in. 

1019
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:14,200
Alright, talk to you later.