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What's going on? 
Ladies and gents, Robert Sykes? 

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Keto Savage.com today. 
I've got special repeat guests, 

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Austin Paulson on the line 
Austin, and I met during my 2017

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competition. 
He had a client, that was 

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competing there as well. 
And we were started talking 

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backstage. 
He does not do keto, he does 

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more of a carbohydrate mixed 
diet nutrition protocol, but 

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I've got nothing but respect to 
this guy because he freaking 

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kills it. 
When he competes. 

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He just did a show not too long 
ago and had amazing conditioning

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and I wanted to bring him on the
show to talk about what his 

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strategy. 
G was like, where's nutritional 

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protocol was like what his 
training was like, we talk a 

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little business. 
He had a tumor not so long ago 

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that was affecting his hormone 
production endocrine system and 

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he is now doing trt and 
everything with his competitive 

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Endeavors. 
So I wanted to kind of pick his 

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brain and kind of compare and 
contrast what that's like versus

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competing as a natural. 
So awesome. 

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Awesome conversation, like said 
nothing but respect for Austin, 

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he's killing it in the game just
to honestly. 

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Good genuine, dude, so got no 
doubt that you will take 

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something from this 
conversation. 

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Especially if bodybuilding is at
all of an interest to you. 

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So without further Ado, sit 
back, relax, enjoy the podcast 

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with my good friend, Austin. 
And we are live. 

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Austin. 
How are you man? 

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Good brother. 
How are you doing? 

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I'm good. 
I'm good. 

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Last time we spoke has been 
about two years ago. 

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I think. 
And try remember you had just 

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had like a surgery or something 
done. 

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If I remember correctly, right? 
Our, you're about to have 

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surgery. 
I don't know. 

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I can't remember because a 
couple years ago. 

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It might even be longer than 
that, dude, because I remember, 

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we started out we met back in 
Spokane, right? 

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Anyway, and when I competed in 
at that gbo showing 2017, I 

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think was because you didn't 
compete them at you had a client

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that was competing, right? 
Yeah, Tom and yeah, he was you 

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did by building. 
He did the classic hidden. 

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You obviously, destroyed 
everybody in bodybuilding and he

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was doing classic and and doing 
a runway show. 

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Up there, but yeah, then after 
that except like I had you on my

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podcast. 
I think. 

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Yeah, right. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, and then I can try to 
remember with surgery because I 

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did get ACL surgery, way back 
when. 

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But I think what you're talking 
about might be when I was 

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diagnosed with with a brain 
tumor, the fun stuff. 

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That's what it was, what it was,
whatever came of that, because I

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think you had just gotten 
diagnosed last. 

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We spoke. 
Yeah, so the fun stuff is for a 

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while there. 
My endocrine system was just 

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messed up, right? 
My total test my total 

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testosterone dropped at one 
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It was like a 97 nanograms per 
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And yeah, it's a classified as 
prolactin Oma. 

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So it's a pituitary tumor that 
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production, female stuff. 
And just antagonize. 

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Is that testosterone production?
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struggle there for a bit 
finally, had a great friend of 

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mine. 
She competed and she was a nurse

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practitioner. 
She does figure and this had to 

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been at least what three four 
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said I need to get an MRI and I 
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You know, I'm like don't tell 
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My mom, she gonna freak out 
right but she said yeah, I went 

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and saw it in a chronologist. 
Always people. 

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They said no, you know, you're 
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an MRI. 
And so I did in there. 

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It was whole tumor on my 
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Part is had a couple different 
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do that brain surgery or just 
take some some medication and I 

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took the medication route and so
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dopamine Agonist. 
Just to kind of counteract that 

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prolactin production and then I 
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trt since then just to keep my 
stuff in range, but some all 

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healthy all good to go and feel 
normal, but it's kind of that 

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story. 
That's crazy, man. 

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I mean, that's kind of be like, 
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You don't have to have surgery. 
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you know with the exhaustion of 
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going under the knife. 
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It was just kind of a thing 
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rate Dad could have done it, but
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you know, I don't know. 
I'd rather just try to to go 

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that route and be healthy, 
obviously an exercise and eat 

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properly and just use that form 
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and syllabus a a, a good life, a
good quality of life, but I have

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to obviously get brain surgery. 
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is from taking what I'm using is
called bromocriptine. 

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I know you're using the fitness 
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you. 
Probably, you know, I know you. 

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Are you still natural athlete 
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Honestly have hardly any 
knowledge of anything. 

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That's not natural. 
So in like yeah. 

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Oh no. 
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So essentially I'm taking what's
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And like I said, the dopamine 
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of body, builders might know of 
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It's just a difference. 
Essentially, in the half-life of

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this others to kind of control 
your parole acted. 

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But anyways, I've been table 15 
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I don't know. 
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got another MRI the following 
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shrank which is they said it was
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If it just stayed the same size 
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And so my in show that it 
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mm in size but still it was a 
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So I might get another one here 
this year at the end of the year

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and see where we win. 
But but no, everything's been 

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going good though. 
So, She can't complain. 

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Well, that's awesome news, man. 
I mean, I remember when we 

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talked and you, you gave this 
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didn't know what you were going 
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And then I saw, you know, you 
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What about 20 some odd weeks ago
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Something like that. 
Yeah. 

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Well I started yeah, so I just 
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I did a run of three and I did 
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Pre-shows to down here in a Z1 
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L1 and Tucson actually went and 
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time ever. 
And that was a great experience,

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very humbling, but very great. 
And we ended up cracking top 10.

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So that was for my first time 
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accomplishment. 
I know a lot of guys were 

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chasing that Pro card and all 
that but honestly man, when you 

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go to an event like that on an 
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and I'm only 25 and you know, 
there's guys up there 30 35, 40 

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years old to have you The 
training rate and years of 

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exhaustion and its use of 
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And there are some monsters if 
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but it's really cool to see. 
And so yeah, we got we got ready

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for that. 
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with how that progression went. 
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best, you know, so that's what 
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Well, I mean, just seeing the 
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posting Instagram and let me you
look freaking ridiculous, dude. 

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Like you like The people that 
listen and what are your stance?

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I mean you're you're not that 
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tongue, but you look I mean the 
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brought the table was out of 
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Yeah, I appreciate that. 
That's that's where my only 

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Fighting Chance is going to be, 
was a, the conditioning, 

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exactly. 
It's because I don't have that 

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size and most of maturity and I 
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purposes to push it the, you 
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like other guys, like I said, 
I'm just trying to keep it 

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low-key, just trying to be 
healthy and I've been pushing 

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obviously out of the natural 
route because of my pituitary 

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tumor. 
So, my only Fighting Chance and 

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why I think I've done well like 
back in 2019. 

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I did Empire up in Spokane. 
I won that overall. 

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And I think the guy that got S. 
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pounds on me, but just because 
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So I just knew that if I'm going
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gonna have to bring the stress. 
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lot of credit honestly not to 
myself but to my coach and 

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Mentor a guy named cliff Wilson.
Mm-hmm. 

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A lot of people think, I don't 
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Maybe you get this too. 
But as a coach, they assume 

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that, you know, everything and 
mean, you know, you're a 

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professional in the realm, but 
I'm always a student even though

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I am a coach and so Cliff acts 
looked over my stuff and he's 

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kind of known for obviously is 
bringing in condition to 

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athletes, especially in the 
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And he's actually mentored me 
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four years coaching clients 
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Really great guy. 
And so he looked over my stuff 

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and he's like, yeah, he's got to
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from there, you know, obviously 
we know our weak points and when

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you lose sighs, you know how it 
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comp mode and you kind of gotta 
you gotta weigh out the risk 

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reward of more conditioning and 
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The look of the muscle, I guess.
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size and fullness just because I
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little more. 
It's just that it's just a game 

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right there is no right or wrong
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It's like, you know, we are 
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right? 
So let's been in this space for 

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a long time. 
And I mean, he's super 

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respected. 
He's been around for a while. 

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He's known for that. 
Crazy carbohydrate loading like 

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north of 1,000 grams on 
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during like the night before the
show, right? 

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Yeah. 
This is rapid. 

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Backloading protocol. 
Yeah. 

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He actually wrote a book, you 
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might have heard of it or he 
wrote with Docker. 

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Pete is kinda sure. 
Yeah, it's kind of test prep 

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book and he goes through his 
different peeking methods of 

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relative to, you know, obviously
always starts out with if you 

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are actually our condition 
enough to do a proper Peak, we 

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great. 
But then depending on what class

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if you're male or female, you 
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versus a bodybuilder, you know, 
probably would do a different 

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peaking protocol of the And 
look. 

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But yeah, I think what you're 
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This is rapid backload with some
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the backend, huge hard deplete 
and then you know, water and 

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sodium going into the show. 
Pretty pretty a lot different 

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than most people would think or 
do I guess from a traditional or

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old-school method, but the 
really cool thing is is if you 

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want to dive into that, we can. 
But the really cool thing is, we

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actually learned a lot from 
doing three shows and we 

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actually picked differently. 
All three shows, kind of some of

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them were relatively the same, 
but actually we change the 

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electrolyte manipulation with 
potassium actually. 

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And, and he's noticed an 
enhanced athletes versus a 

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natural athlete. 
The effects of loading, a little

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more potassium actually had a 
lot of, but bigger effect on me,

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obviously being in the hands 
route. 

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So I just learned a lot of cool 
data points. 

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Yeah. 
Definitely. 

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I'm curious to Diamond it is 
because I mean, I'm I've got a 

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very In Peking strategy without 
carbohydrates than the sum of 

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its use in carbohydrates. 
Like, for you in, going through 

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these past, three shows. 
Like, what did you wind up 

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settling on? 
Is being the best strategy for 

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you? 
That's right. 

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Yeah, and I would like to know a
little more how you peek to with

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more the keto Yahweh. 
Obviously. 

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Because I've always been 
interested in because ever since

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that show tell you the truth up 
until now like being with cliff 

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and seen some of his athletes 
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just kind of get introduced with
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When I first met you, you were 
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person I have ever seen on stage
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me you were doing keto and I 
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A hard and full write it without
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carbohydrates loading into the 
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change, water out and all that 
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Well, I'd and subject matter. 
I'll send you a copy. 

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Oh, really? 
Okay. 

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No, I'd love to check that out 

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because it's definitely very 
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you do it, you know, obviously 
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carbohydrate route. 
Traditional kind of diving, but 

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but, but yeah, it's answer your 
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The best look. 
That's what you asked me. 

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Well, we trialed different 
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relative to my conditioning at 
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bigger on stage and I still had 
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condition is like Nationals. 
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show, the original show down 
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The cutoff for Any was for light
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light weights to the cutoff at 
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the cut off of that. 
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do that and sacrifice all that 
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170 year somewhere in there. 
Are you again? 

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Remind me like five. 
Six. 

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Five, six five six. 
Yeah, five six. 

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some glue lines, but we just 
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four-day deplete and then we 
just kind of how might we it 

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goes bye-bye types and honestly 
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methods like an African American
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something like this or something
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kind of responds best is to 
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Up will say, 3 to 5-day load, as
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sodium by. 
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traditionally will just kind of 
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days out and it's completely get
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drop Water, right? 
But there's just so many 

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mechanisms of needing water, 
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general, and carbohydrates to 
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glycogen in the muscle rather 
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bloodstream and not really 
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Right? 
So I would get like, I would say

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that we the first show I did 
probably the second show is the 

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hardest deplete because I want 
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For day, then I just a moderate 
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wasn't going to be your end. 
Look, we want to see how I 

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responded to. 
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I said, that potassium and stuff
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harder to pleat just to get down
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a 165 cut off. 
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brought definitely the most 
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that, you really have to play 
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timeline you are depleting? 
Because you just need time to 

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obviously fully fill up. 
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probably is what Clips known for
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deplete hard, they never really 
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But I think people can handle a 
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they are conditioned enough. 
But anyway, so we did that 

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second show. 
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because of the will say it. 
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you bring calories back up a 
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And that upregulation. 
They're going into Nationals 

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sitting at that 165. 
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deplete. 
I just maintain exactly where I 

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was and disc actually got a 
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started loading into the show. 
So it's a plus. 

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Yeah, you have any idea what 
your amount like, we were. 

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You calculating and tracking 
your sodium and potassium and 

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inflation. 
Like, you know, what your mg and

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take was of each of those. 
If I pulled up sheets, I could I

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could probably give you a better
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Off top my head. 
I don't have an exact number for

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to go by like relative. 
What's that? 

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Pretty good bit of sodium 
though? 

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What is it? 
Can you elaborate on what a good

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bit would be? 
Yes, like four million in my 

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clients. 
I'll typically have them like 

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they're based on will be like, 
you know, four to six thousand 

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milligrams of sodium a day and 
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will bump that up, you know, by 
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So they're like eight thousand 
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that's probably more than most 
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typically need a little bit more
electrolytes. 

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If you're doing a ketogenic 
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beginning, and I'm going to try 
to elicit a certain response 

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like you are. 
Quake. 

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But most people probably aren't 
consuming 8 grams of salt a day.

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Yeah. 
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with you like how you're going 
about that and and blank natural

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athletes and then enhanced I've 
seen immediately you can be done

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a little differently but to give
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as high. 
Probably I think it was more 

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about the relative changes and I
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that, I probably started 
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during deplete and then maintain
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probably during I've been kind 
of just manipulating last couple

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days to see, honestly, where the
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So we could we could honestly 
most people think that you gotta

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like deplete and then start 
loading going into last couple 

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days of the show, but actually 
We were able to keep the scale 

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weight the same or not, keep 
dropping by just lowering a 

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little bit of sodium, but 
actually keeping carbohydrates 

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tapering up throughout the week.
So you're actually loading 

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glycogen, as you're still kind 
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subcutaneous water and just 
keeping your your scale weight 

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relatively the same. 
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do any sort of rule cardio or 
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know, scale manipulation is to 
weigh in properly at this if the

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So I would say that there was 
probably a little taper down if 

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anything, but those are kind of 
like my ranges. 

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I would say from a 2, to a 4000 
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Rather than that. 
You said four to eight, I think 

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Craig. 
Yeah, it's interesting. 

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I think like the, the one, the 
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denominator across all Peak 
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diet you follow, is that you got
to be in condition going into 

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peak week. 
And I feel like so many people 

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totally butcher that, And then 
they just get worse and worse. 

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As I tried pulling levers 
haphazardly. 

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Yeah, 100% in the really cool 
thing to, I don't know if you've

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noticed this, I want to get your
thoughts. 

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But when you're peaking 
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you can get them or relative to 
the category or whatever. 

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They're competing in. 
But the more condition they can 

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be the harder, you can push a 
load, but also the bigger the, 

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what I call it insurance policy 
on the athlete we have right? 

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You seem to be able to fix 
things a lot easier and you can 

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say, look, you even do a more of
a conservative load. 

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Much like what's a, a Saturday 
show and you do like a Monday 

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through Saturday or do a 
Tuesday, through Saturday and 

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you want to do a little 
conservative of adding carbs and

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day over day steadily throughout
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I don't know exactly how you 
would structure that. 

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But you know, like from a 
tradition like a carbohydrate 

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standpoint. 
You can do a clean up day on 

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Friday the day before where you 
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And if you see you spill over a 
little bit, you can clean it up 

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and pull back at feel like it's 
really hard to do something of 

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Sorts when you're not 
conditioned enough. 

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And that's, that's the cool part
is, I feel like there's a bigger

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inch insurance policy, where you
can fixing the lot easier. 

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If you do, get to the level of 
conditioning. 

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Yeah. 100%. 
And if you look amazing going 

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into Peak Week, like if you've 
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on Monday shows on Saturday, 
even if you don't nail your your

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Peak, you're still gonna look 
super freaking impressive and 

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that's more than some 
competitors can say, you know, 

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so like if you have there if 
you're on stage and you guys 

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training It's here already in a 
standout again, amongst the 

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competitors. 100%. 
Yes, exactly. 

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What you're saying is you can 
guy, you know, guy it condition 

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properly can beat and he could 
peek at maybe 70 to 80%, right? 

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Of its full Peak and still beat 
out the guy who hundred percent 

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take perfectly. 
That's not as condition. 

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Bingo, right, so that I would I 
would agree with that. 

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Definitely. 
Do you know, do you remember off

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the top of your head? 
What you're like, calories? 

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Got down to it. 
The depth of your deficit there.

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Yeah, that's the crazy thing 
that's going on right now is the

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Rica I like the document stuff. 
You know me. 

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I'm like a data nerd. 
So post shows been pretty crazy 

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how much up regulation that's 
just been happening with. 

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My endocrine system is my 
metabolism General, but but 

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lowest during Peak actually look
at that the other day and I 

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think I got somewhere around. 
1,800 calories. 

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Maybe it was between was around 
17, 1800 I think and my I did 

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zero cardio the whole time up 
until probably Last four weeks. 

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I put in some walking and I 
think the hardest that second 

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show, like, I was saying, the 
hardest deplete for that 

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four-day deplete was just my 
normal resistance training and 

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then it was just 60 minutes of 
walking day that I was at the 

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heart farthest. 
Push. 

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I guess you could say, but 
sounds like nothing, right, 

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compared to a lot of what a lot 
of people do. 

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But I think that It's just 
relative to the PACE, the rate 

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of loss and what you need to do 
in order to get to the 

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conditioning, right? 
Yeah, totally. 

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I think you know, a lot of 
people make the mistake of just 

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way going overboard with the 
cardio and I always like try and

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think of cardio is minimum 
viable dose like the least you 

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can do to get the, you know, a 
tick in the right direction. 

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That's what you want to do. 
I mean, if you can go through 

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prep with, you know, miniscule 
amounts of cardio than your 

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better for it. 
Yeah, 100%. 

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I agree. 
And that's something I can, you 

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know, kind of brought light 
shed. 

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Light was Cliff, you cut 
actually taught me that is you 

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can if you take cardio. 
It's definitely a tool, right? 

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And it's a tool to push that car
gets better to lose body fat, 

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right? 
Push that scale way down if 

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needed. 
But when you can elongate your 

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dieting, phaser, maybe give 
yourself more time, which is 

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usually the number one thing 
that I see competitors fail at 

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doing is giving themselves, 
actually just enough time. 

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It's not the peak wig. 
It's not the right Foods or 

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whatever eating is not the sole.
It's nothing except the primary 

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thing here is time and patience.
And so, the thing I do is when 

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you're implementing that tool of
cardio, I actually advocate of 

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cutting food first rather than 
putting in cardio, and I know 

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there's like your different 
energy flux systems. 

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If you're trying to run a higher
caloric output with the 

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hydrochloric intake, still crepe
that deficit. 

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But in my opinion, when you can 
exert your energy or prioritize 

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your Gee output with resistance 
training for muscle preservation

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purposes, and then, and then not
implementing that cardio because

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cardio does take a level of 
recovery, right? 

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So just more cortisol responses 
or just just recovery in general

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especially if you're doing hit 
sessions and stuff, stuff like 

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that. 
I just feel like it puts more 

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strain on your body and I've 
seen that your overall look 

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going into your last week. 
Or peak week, you look a lot 

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less stressed or a better, you 
know, blossoming moment of the 

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end. 
Look that makes sense. 

450
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Yeah, it's much easier to just 
come in looking super flat. 

451
00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:11,200
If you're doing, you know, an 
hour plus a cardio a day with 

452
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,200
any form of cardio, but no, 
especially for doing longer 

453
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,900
forms of cardio, you know, in 
several days leading up to like,

454
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:18,100
you're just not going to look as
full. 

455
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,900
Yeah, Harbor Second. 
And that's where, like, you 

456
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:25,300
know, I did have to do, like I 
said, it's no cardio through the

457
00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:29,800
hole and I think I started it. 
211. 

458
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,600
And, you know, my ending the 
very last, the Nationals, you 

459
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,700
know, I weighed in and 165 or 
whatever that cap was your start

460
00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:42,300
with lemon. 
A yeah, I pushed her have your 

461
00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:44,600
offices. 
Yeah, and I usually don't push 

462
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,700
it that I probably won't push it
that far this time. 

463
00:25:47,100 --> 00:25:50,100
But definitely this kind of 
tried to stay in that gaining 

464
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:53,900
face as long as possible. 
And I still, you know, still 

465
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:57,400
showed like a little tiny bit of
an outline of the ABS, right? 

466
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,200
So like, well, Keep pushing it. 
I guess. 

467
00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:06,800
How long was your baby, too? 
So we started because travel in 

468
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:12,000
the country a little bit there 
and we started probably spring 

469
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,100
or summer of twenty, twenty one.
So I had to wait at least a six 

470
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:19,500
or eight months prep, you know, 
if not a little bit somewhere in

471
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:21,200
there. 
You know, I'm always I always 

472
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,000
say there's never really an 
offseason. 

473
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,500
There's always on season just 
different phases of it. 

474
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:29,300
Right? 
So I was, you know, everything's

475
00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:32,200
being hit and track and manage. 
But I would say the diet. 

476
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,400
In process problem started eight
months out or so somewhere 

477
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,700
around there. 
Yeah, I think, you know, that's,

478
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:39,900
that's definitely a mistake. 
I see a lot of monks people that

479
00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:43,100
are wanting to lose body fat and
lean out, they don't get 

480
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:45,700
themselves near enough time. 
I mean, my first show before I 

481
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:49,300
knew what the hell I was doing. 
I was 2:30 and I've never gotten

482
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:52,300
that heavy since, but I'm only 
57 58, so I'm not much taller 

483
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:56,800
than you and I gave myself 12 
weeks and I lost 80 pounds in 12

484
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,500
weeks. 
Oh my God. 

485
00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:01,500
Total nightmare. 
Like it was like, I would not 

486
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:02,800
wish that on my worst. 
It's enemy. 

487
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:06,200
So now I give myself like, you 
know, five, six months pretty 

488
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,200
much as just a baseline like, no
matter what, I'm giving myself 

489
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,000
five or six months, but now I 
honestly stay like I'm one 81-83

490
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,600
right now and I compete in like 
160. 

491
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,900
So I'm still within about 20 
pounds of stage. 

492
00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:20,500
Wait. 
Yeah, and I love that, too, 

493
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:23,500
because you get in here. 
I don't know how you feel. 

494
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:26,100
You'd let me know, but, like, 
you getting your optimal kind of

495
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:29,200
performance range, right? 
You have like your your range 

496
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,200
that you fluctuate? 
Maybe 15, 20 pounds. 

497
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:35,400
Up and down but still feel like 
your training is productive 

498
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,900
energy. 
I mean, everything is going 

499
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:39,900
working well and you can kind of
bounce up and down throughout 

500
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:43,600
that scale range. 
Still make progress. 

501
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,000
But yeah, not set yourself up 
for a prep. 

502
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,500
You got to lose 50 plus pounds 
because that's that's mentally 

503
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:53,200
grueling. 
I see people do it and I'm like,

504
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,300
man, that's that's a lot. 
Like I wouldn't even do that. 

505
00:27:55,300 --> 00:28:00,300
You know, it's, you know, know 
it's it's a it's definitely a 

506
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,000
mind trip when you get a see the
You see the scale? 

507
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,400
Drop that much time to know that
you're going to be competitive. 

508
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,800
I mean like right now I do, I 
mean I'm stronger than ever 

509
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:09,300
been. 
Right now. 

510
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:12,400
I'm lifting heavier and look at 
hoarder feel really good. 

511
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:16,500
But I go run every day. 
Like I'm a, I'm doing a 50 mile 

512
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:20,400
run this weekend. 
Holy cow, dude, that's crazy. 

513
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,000
But it's kind of, its kind of 
weird doing that. 

514
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,900
David Goggins four by four by 
forty eight. 

515
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:27,100
So running for Miles every four 
hours for 48 hours. 

516
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,500
So 48 miles by probably going to
do another two to make it an 

517
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:33,900
even 50, but I don't think 
that's Conducive to 

518
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:35,500
bodybuilding. 
Like I'm not suggesting that, 

519
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:39,300
then people do that. 
But besides that, I'm running, 

520
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:42,400
like a mile every single day, 
just because I like the, you 

521
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,500
know, mental break that it gives
me, but I'm probably going to 

522
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:49,500
stop that after this 50-mile 
deal because I'm going to start 

523
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:52,000
prepping again later this year. 
And I want to make sure that my 

524
00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:54,800
cardio bass lines a little bit 
lower than running every single 

525
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,200
day. 
Yeah. 

526
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:58,200
Yeah. 
I know, that totally makes 

527
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,000
sense. 
And, you know, honestly, dude, I

528
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,400
would say, from a physiological.
A logical perspective. 

529
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,200
Like yeah, it just not as 
beneficial to body like you 

530
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,600
said, but I think that it has 
actually a huge impact of, you 

531
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,900
know, you doing that. 
That that correlates over into 

532
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,500
the psychological part of 
contest dieting, right? 

533
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,200
Yeah, for sure. 
And a lot of people they don't, 

534
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,100
I don't think about that. 
Have the mental part of it. 

535
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:28,900
But, you know, you tell me your 
thoughts, but I think that to 

536
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,900
get to the conditioning, you 
need to get to. 

537
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:34,300
And you can have the best 
strategy in place, but if you're

538
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:38,300
not able to mentally withstand 
the, you know what, it takes to 

539
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:40,400
get there. 
Then you know, you don't have 

540
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,800
all the tools in the toolbox 
yet. 

541
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,800
You know what I mean? 
Yeah. 

542
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:48,500
I mean, my my my best attribute 
as a body butter is certainly 

543
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:52,800
not my size or stature genetics 
or any of that stuff like my, 

544
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,900
you know, trick, so to speak. 
It just simply being 

545
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,500
relentlessly consistent towards 
whatever I say I'm going to do 

546
00:29:58,508 --> 00:29:59,900
it. 
I've got to set macros for the 

547
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:01,300
week. 
I will not deviate it from. 

548
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:03,100
If I've got a training. 
Plan for that day. 

549
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:06,200
I will not deviate from, like, I
just am consistent with 

550
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,100
everything throughout the entire
four, five, six months span, and

551
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:13,300
that's my hack. 
So to speak, you know, I love 

552
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:13,900
it. 
Now. 

553
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:15,400
That's what, and that's the 
funny part. 

554
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,500
It's a lot of people, I feel 
like you're out there looking 

555
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:21,500
for all this information of how 
to do their diet, early 

556
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:23,300
training, and all that. 
And that's all viable stuff. 

557
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:27,200
Right, but I think that, you 
know what, I started to notice 

558
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,500
this myself naturally, preaching
more as the psychological part 

559
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:34,400
of whether it's dieting or Are 
gaining days or a contest prep 

560
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,800
or just a normal? 
You know, my mom just had a 

561
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,300
couple of kids trying to get 
back into it or a military guy 

562
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:42,800
like no different demographics. 
You know, I feel like that 

563
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,800
psychological component. 
Like you said, it's your own 

564
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,400
pack, but I feel like that's 
become in my eyes, really big. 

565
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,000
If not the biggest portion of 
the pie, the people, if they get

566
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,900
a hold of that, and they can 
conquer and create that, like 

567
00:30:56,900 --> 00:30:59,900
you said, would you say 
Relentless consistency? 

568
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,100
I love that. 
Yeah. 

569
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,600
If you can adapt, that is the 
skill set or have it, you know, 

570
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,300
make it habitual. 
I mean, you're pretty much 

571
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:10,200
Unstoppable at that point, you 
know, I feel like that's that's 

572
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,500
the one thing that I mean, it 
doesn't like when you look at 

573
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:15,300
bodybuilding and you and I both 
body butter. 

574
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:18,000
So I feel like it's very says, 
like you can dive super deep 

575
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,300
into the rabbit hole of 
nutrition or training or 

576
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:23,600
programming or any of that stuff
like you can go as deep as you 

577
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,700
want to get with that. 
But if you if you extrapolate 

578
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:29,900
all that out and just look at it
from a high-level view, like you

579
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:33,900
can look pretty freaking awesome
with the Basics with the common 

580
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:38,600
sense techniques, and it's 
honestly not that, you know, 

581
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:42,900
it's pretty, it's pretty simple.
It's not easy, but it's pretty 

582
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:44,700
simple. 
So if you just simply 

583
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:47,500
consistently, apply those 
techniques apply, those 

584
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:49,200
common-sense principles, you're 
going to look pretty. 

585
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,800
Dang, good, but most people 
falter with that consistency 

586
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,500
aspect of it. 
So you get that down, then it's 

587
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:59,800
all downhill from there. 
Yeah, no, I don't resent doing 

588
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,200
that. 
The thing that's not sexy. 

589
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,700
Right? 
The thing is called consistency 

590
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:07,600
of doing the same thing day in 
and day out. 

591
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:11,600
It's not, it's not the sexy 
things being marketed to saying,

592
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,600
it's a quick fix and all that. 
So it is hard and I totally get 

593
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,800
that and I do think that there 
is a little bit of the mental 

594
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,500
part of like, being able to 
adapt that skill set, but I want

595
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:26,500
to know, because I have been 
really kind. 

596
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,600
Transitioning. 
Our like go about things with 

597
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,100
coaching people over the last 
probably a year or two. 

598
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:38,300
But how do you approach clients 
with their nutritional kind of 

599
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,300
structure of the flexibility of 
it within a macro count? 

600
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,700
Yes. 
I mean, I've got like the way I 

601
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:48,400
do my clients and this is going 
to hold true, whether they're 

602
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,500
stepping on the stage, trying to
improve the body comp, but I 

603
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:53,900
give them macros every single 
week. 

604
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:56,400
So I adjust their macros on 
Friday or Saturday for the 

605
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,300
Coming week. 
I have a spreadsheet. 

606
00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:01,300
I put the macros in there and 
then I basically have them get 

607
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:04,400
within five grams of those goal,
macros, if possible. 

608
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,400
It's kind of like, the way you 
want to drive, because if 

609
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,600
they're consistently getting 
within 5, G that I'm able to see

610
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,800
how their body is responding, 
and then I can make better 

611
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,100
adjustments from going forward. 
So all my clients are ketogenic.

612
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:18,200
So they're all, you know, 
following a ketogenic macro 

613
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,300
distribution, but they have more
flexibility with regards to like

614
00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:25,100
if they want to mix up the types
of fats and types of proteins 

615
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:26,500
and types of vegetables are 
using to hit those. 

616
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,300
Macros, and then it's all coming
from good quality sources, like,

617
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:33,900
I'm fine with that. 
Gotcha know, that sounds kind of

618
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,700
like how I go about it in a more
of a traditional macro 

619
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:42,000
distribution is to macro count, 
just kind of adjust things 

620
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:45,500
accordingly and checking and 
stuff like that. 

621
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:51,800
Because I feel like maybe you 
notice that client like prior to

622
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,800
being a client like applicants 
it previous programs or diet 

623
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,300
plans or whatever they started 
with getting into and we'll just

624
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:02,100
make an example of the key. 
World. 

625
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,200
They were like following a 
specific laid out meal plan 

626
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,900
before coming to you. 
Do you often see that? 

627
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:15,500
Yeah, see that a lot in. 
I've got I'm honestly like never

628
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:20,199
really been a fan of meal plans 
because I people people and they

629
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,199
just look at a standardized meal
plan. 

630
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,300
They see. 
I don't even way out their food 

631
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:25,600
have a time. 
They just say, Okay, chicken 

632
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,100
breast and broccoli. 
So I'll just eat chicken breast 

633
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:29,699
and Bach broccoli. 
With no, no, inkling of an idea 

634
00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:31,300
of how much chicken breast or 
broccoli. 

635
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,699
They want to do, but at the same
time, one of the arguments I've 

636
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:39,100
seen in favor of meal plans. 
If you're weighing it out 

637
00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:43,600
obviously, is that a lot of 
times people just do macros and 

638
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,100
they're pretty removed from the 
equation. 

639
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,500
Like, coaches will just send a, 
you know, an email to her client

640
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:50,500
with the, with some accurate 
recommendations and their 

641
00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:54,400
clients will deviate, you know, 
quite a bit broader than that, 5

642
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,000
grand window, for instance and 
then it becomes really hard to 

643
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,100
get things dialed in as well. 
So in that scenario, it might 

644
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:03,200
make sense to have a meal plan. 
I mean, you can't have to just 

645
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,400
like for me, I'm very, you know,
straight for with my clients. 

646
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,800
I'm like, look, I can't really 
be the best coach I can be for 

647
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,700
you. 
If you're not even hitting the 

648
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:12,700
numbers I'm giving you. 
So if you're not seeing the 

649
00:35:12,707 --> 00:35:15,100
results that you're wanting, but
you're not hitting anywhere 

650
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,100
close to the numbers. 
I'm giving you like, this is 

651
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:20,200
just a good fit, you know? 
Yeah, 100%. 

652
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,100
I love that. 
Yeah, I feel like there's the 

653
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:24,800
needs to be more transparency 
like that in the realm of the 

654
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,200
fitness room. 
But, um, yeah, I was asking you 

655
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,100
because, you know, I'm noticing 
the same thing with with 

656
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,800
Starting out with fad dieting, 
right? 

657
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,300
Or yo-yo dieting before maybe 
coming on board and seeing for a

658
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:39,800
good fit. 
Maybe you experienced applicants

659
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,600
coming in and they tried like I 
said, diet plan or something 

660
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,700
where they may be did get a 
little progress, but then I 

661
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:48,700
gained the weight back and now 
they're looking for that answer 

662
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:53,200
and I feel like going the route 
that you explain, and that's 

663
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:56,900
I've really transitioned. 
I was already like that but I do

664
00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:00,400
have deeper into the 
psychological part of that over 

665
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,300
the last Year 2 of actually 
being able to provide more 

666
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:10,700
education to the client when 
having that flexible approach, 

667
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:15,600
because I feel like a lot of 
times people will will say, 

668
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,100
okay, what do I need to be 
eating? 

669
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,500
And they will say, in terms of 
our food selection, or food, 

670
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:24,300
type, or Source, or how many 
calories, or, you know, what 

671
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:26,100
should I be eating? 
What is the best thing to lose 

672
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:28,200
fat? 
One and say, for example, and 

673
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,900
it's really there's so many 
other factors that go into it in

674
00:36:30,908 --> 00:36:31,500
my eyes. 
Eyes. 

675
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:36,100
And maybe you've seen this as 
the process of understanding and

676
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:40,500
learning how to adapt is the 
biggest skill that if people can

677
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:43,700
really acquire, it's not like 
everybody can measure out on a 

678
00:36:43,707 --> 00:36:47,200
scale, 4 ounces, right? 
But being able to be able to 

679
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,700
withstand curveballs or 
audibles. 

680
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:52,200
I call you gotta, you gotta get 
a call, your audible during the 

681
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,200
day, when your work schedule, 
your social event schedule your 

682
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,600
you know, school schedule, 
whatever it is all of those 

683
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,300
factors in your day to day. 
Obviously will impact what we're

684
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:07,700
able to eat when we're able to 
eat, you know, all those things.

685
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:10,300
Right? 
And so, that's what I've really 

686
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:14,700
realized is, is over last couple
years is understanding what 

687
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,900
makes people tick and how they 
handle stress, and how they're 

688
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:20,000
able to adapt. 
And I feel like going that 

689
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,000
flexible approach, if you want 
to throw in some meal timing, if

690
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,700
you want, you know, different 
level of clients. 

691
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:29,000
They're wanting different things
of how crazy into it. 

692
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,000
They are right. 
Or is more a lifestyle approach 

693
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,300
workers. 
Is more of a contest prep, but 

694
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,600
but being able to educate them 
and help them in their specific 

695
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,700
scenarios of what their schedule
looks like with their stress. 

696
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:45,000
Looks like, and all that kind of
stuff like allows clients to now

697
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,400
just progress and have progress 
or have results. 

698
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,300
But also learn how to sustain it
for long term. 

699
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:56,900
No, I mean 100% agreement never 
get, you know clients that like 

700
00:37:56,900 --> 00:38:00,300
they're in a building phase or 
not really as strict with their 

701
00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:02,600
macro tracking. 
There, you know, we're ensuring 

702
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,700
that they're getting enough 
calories enough protein, etc. 

703
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:06,800
Etc. 
And all their lips are going up.

704
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,300
You know, that's great. 
That's sustainable for them 

705
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:09,900
where they're at. 
If somebody's coming to me and 

706
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:13,400
they're want to Simply, you 
know, get to the desired body 

707
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,900
composition as efficiently and 
effectively as possible and pull

708
00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:19,700
out all the stops and a perfect 
world scenario. 

709
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:24,100
Then I've got them hitting those
macros within 5, G and meal 

710
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:27,500
prepping, and the beauty of 
Aikido, you know, approach to 

711
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:29,800
this is that meal prep is so 
much easier. 

712
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,000
Because I mean, I'm only 
typically One or two meals a 

713
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,000
day, like when you're eating 
once or twice a day meal prep is

714
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,500
a breeze. 
Yeah, that is one thing. 

715
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:42,900
I've always even think I'd last 
time we talked away backgrounds 

716
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:46,600
and I gotta try this keto thing 
because man, like not time prep 

717
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,000
in and and running, he like, he 
tells energy like you feel 

718
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,100
better. 
No, no insulin spikes and 

719
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:54,700
crashes, blood, glucose crashes 
during the day, you know, and 

720
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:58,600
all that stuff. 
So because yeah, they're great. 

721
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,200
Now I got told you by Lois, 
Clark and table. 

722
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,800
Outside with your hunter or 
something sorts, but now up 

723
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,700
regulating show. 
It's been crazy because I wanted

724
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:11,700
to document it for people to 
understand what is possible. 

725
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:15,200
Coming out of a dieting face. 
Going back into a controlled 

726
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,900
increase of food, going into 
maintenance and then a slight 

727
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:23,200
Surplus even, but I think that 
I'm experiencing an unusual 

728
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:28,100
amount honestly, right now. 
I'm, you know, I don't know how 

729
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:30,600
much you've seen. 
My, my stories and stuff from 

730
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,800
about 11. 
Weeks post. 

731
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,100
Show. 
I still have my glutes striated 

732
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,900
and I'm eating like 3,600 
calories online low days and 

733
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:42,900
4000 on my high days. 
So that's that's so important. 

734
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:45,700
And so I definitely want to talk
on that because I see if I had 

735
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:50,100
to pinpoint the biggest. 
I don't know misstep that I see 

736
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,900
people making and nutritional, 
you know, dietary circles and 

737
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:57,700
body re compositional circles. 
It's that people are chronically

738
00:39:57,700 --> 00:39:59,000
restricting. 
And they don't know how to 

739
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,200
properly reverse diet. 
So I've been beaten that horse. 

740
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:05,000
You know, from day one screaming
from the rooftops, but I think 

741
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,200
you know, you've done a you 
Illustrated perfectly, what's 

742
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,700
possible? 
If you're coming out of a 

743
00:40:08,707 --> 00:40:12,200
deficit and you got a plan, you 
get a strategy and you increase 

744
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,700
those calories with that 
strategy. 

745
00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:16,800
And I mean, you're holding on to
all your definition and you look

746
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,900
freaking amazing. 
And you're eating, you know, 

747
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:22,700
3,000 4,000 calories a day. 
Yeah. 

748
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:24,000
Yeah. 
No, we could definitely dive 

749
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,600
into that because I think I 
would like to hear more about 

750
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,800
your approach with a post-show 
to because I think back when you

751
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:34,500
Figure out what show you did. 
You told me you were going to do

752
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:39,200
somebody else's post show fat, 
loading or something of sorts, 

753
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,300
right? 
And you just blasted fat super 

754
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:44,300
high, super high, caloric 
intake, and you actually stayed 

755
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:47,800
straight it for you. 
No, I'm saying I would like to 

756
00:40:47,808 --> 00:40:50,200
learn a little more about what 
you did to but yeah, definitely,

757
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,900
I think we can dive into what 
happened, doing. 

758
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:56,000
Whatever questions you got. 
Are you doing just like a slow 

759
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,900
and gradual increase of all, 
macros, or across the board 

760
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:00,500
coming out of the shower? 
Kind of, how do you have that 

761
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:05,600
broken down? 
Yeah, I think that kind of what 

762
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,400
I've learned and notices for 
competitors. 

763
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,000
Let's say what slightly we treat
this process like a like pushing

764
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,400
like a pendulum right harder. 
You push the pendulum the 

765
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,000
harder. 
It can come back at you, write 

766
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,800
the force. 
So I think that most times I can

767
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,800
you just brought up is 
especially see this with bikini 

768
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:32,700
competitors, but the, when you 
push super hard and we'll A were

769
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:35,100
in a deficit, for a long time. 
We get to that conditioning, we 

770
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:39,200
need should be low in calories. 
The first initial thought 

771
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:43,100
there's this mind game because 
the body image is a factor. 

772
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:47,000
You got to play into of the 
person but they offer. 

773
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,100
Oftentimes will go post show and
they'll eat all this food binge 

774
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:54,500
or whatever, right? 
And then they'll see some scale,

775
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:58,000
adjusting adjustments, sea, 
water, retention, and then 

776
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,000
they'll immediately resort to 
not liking that. 

777
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,200
Look and look, go back down to 
the lower intake of calories of 

778
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,500
what they were at. 
The problem is is because of, 

779
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:12,500
you know, metabolic adaptation. 
You are adapted to that low 

780
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:16,500
caloric intake and all that 
pulse of food does not mean that

781
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:19,400
you just upregulated your 
metabolism to be able to meet 

782
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,600
those standards going forward, 
right? 

783
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:26,100
So when you accumulate body fat,
you're still have a suppressed, 

784
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,700
you know, hormones all across 
the board. 

785
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:35,000
Essentially where Doing that. 
Like, how do I put this? 

786
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,200
You can't just go die it again. 
Like, you can't just go back and

787
00:42:38,207 --> 00:42:40,000
do things, right? 
You can't that you're gonna have

788
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,200
to try and dry it off the fat. 
You just died it off. 

789
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,300
But in order to do that, you'd 
have to go even lower. 

790
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:52,300
Yeah even lower than you were 
already doing before because 

791
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:55,000
your adapted it that maintenance
right? 

792
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:59,200
So I think the on the opposite 
end coma coming out of the show 

793
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,500
people can actually be a little 
more aggressive. 

794
00:43:01,900 --> 00:43:06,600
With putting in food, then what 
people would think if here's the

795
00:43:06,607 --> 00:43:10,500
caveat if it's in a controlled 
manner, right? 

796
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:15,100
That's the hardest part for 
people is the aspect of 

797
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:17,700
post-show or post dieting to 
Annex decent, you know. 

798
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:19,700
Trim level body. 
Fat is. 

799
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:23,700
If they binge then, increasing 
food at a rapid rate is not 

800
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:27,200
going to work, but because of 
what we just explained before, 

801
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:30,800
but if you do in a controlled 
fashion, like, for example, I 

802
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,100
think for myself For I know that
my frame and mind, you know, 

803
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:38,200
metabolic function is different 
than other people, but I think I

804
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,500
added in at least 90 100 grams 
of carbs, straight, right? 

805
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:45,300
After, you know, show go into my
next week and at least probably 

806
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:49,100
15, 20 grams of fat, you know, I
increase counters really quick 

807
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,200
and got my calories up pretty 
fast the first probably three to

808
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,700
four weeks but didn't controlled
fashion. 

809
00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:59,900
I didn't bend, I didn't overeat.
I mean, heck Cliff, he had to 

810
00:43:59,908 --> 00:44:01,700
convince me to go out to eat 
with Kaylee. 

811
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,600
My fiancé because I'm like, no, 
no. 

812
00:44:03,607 --> 00:44:06,500
No, I want to I want to see what
happened as we're filling up 

813
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:08,100
here to see if we can even PQ 
and harder. 

814
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:08,900
Right? 
That's me. 

815
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:11,500
That's my mindset. 
And I'm like, no, I the 

816
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:13,600
sufferings. 
Okay, let's just keep trying new

817
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,300
things and see what happens. 
Right? 

818
00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:20,600
So, but, uh, but yeah, so I 
would say that once you go 

819
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,000
through this process, where you 
can probably you can push food 

820
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:27,200
least from my traditional kind 
of will say carbohydrates and 

821
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,100
bringing those up as well as 
fat. 

822
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:31,700
I would say the protein stays 
the same. 

823
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:38,400
In my lowest protein intake, 
those probably 230 grams and you

824
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,300
keep your protein. 
Pretty much constant throughout 

825
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:45,100
the whole prep, right? 
Yeah, I would say that will 

826
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:47,900
actually push protein higher in 
the offseason. 

827
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,400
Once you're like, wait what? 
But I just really like to try 

828
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,000
and preserve as much insulin 
resistance. 

829
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,000
So we'll push, you know, 
obviously carbon fats as high as

830
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,700
we can go. 
They'll start adding some 

831
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:01,000
protein and kind of inching our 
way and then actually most 

832
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
people will say Don't cut 
protein during the battle phase.

833
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:09,500
But I think that I mean I get 
the the logic, the theory behind

834
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:11,200
that but well actually cut 
things out. 

835
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,400
You gotta Cook County, good cook
a little tray, right? 

836
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,400
And so I think they will say my 
top end for last offseason, 

837
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:25,200
probably 260 to 270 grams 
protein intake and then we'll 

838
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,500
just kind of chipped away at 
that a little bit. 

839
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:31,500
Do you remember my Prime was at 
that show that you saw me in? 

840
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,100
No, I don't feel much like 
raised, but you'll never guess 

841
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:39,200
it. 
I remember, I couldn't of you're

842
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,700
following your stuff and I was 
trying to understand it better 

843
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:43,400
and I don't matter if you're 
liking the hundreds. 

844
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,900
So g 65. 
Yeah, and that's it for. 

845
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:50,300
I go any further. 
Let me just tell people. 

846
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:52,300
Listen. 
I'm not advocating people at 65 

847
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:54,100
grams of protein. 
I was basically just pushing the

848
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:57,500
envelope to see how low I could 
go without any adverse effects. 

849
00:45:57,500 --> 00:46:02,000
And I went to 65 grams for a 
finite period of time and saw no

850
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,600
adverse. 
X, but it's crazy because like 

851
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,700
you tell that to people in the 
traditional, you know, 

852
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:10,000
bodybuilding protocols. 
It's like, you know, they're 

853
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,700
doing 265 grams. 
Yeah, exactly. 

854
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,200
No, you're out of the right. 
And that's where I think that, 

855
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,700
you know, you're the trigger 
queue approach for sure is loved

856
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:25,100
every exercise. 
I know you gotta I'm not in full

857
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:28,900
understanding of all the same 
in-depth information is like, 

858
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:34,400
you probably utilizing but to 
withhold muscle tissue. 

859
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,100
It's a little different. 
I think that a lot of Quito get 

860
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:38,900
it isn't there? 
Like variations, you know, with 

861
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:41,400
like a, what's the name? 
Date Palumbo. 

862
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,100
Kind of Quito. 
Whatever it will save 

863
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:46,100
bodybuilder Realm. 
Is variation and there's like a 

864
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:49,300
key will even try and convince 
me. 

865
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:52,200
This is like a cheap 
carbohydrate load muscle, 

866
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,900
brought muscle glycogen 
replenishment on, you know, once

867
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:59,100
a week and then dive back into 
ketosis and he will show me 

868
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:02,900
different routes, and I don't 
know what your exact route is of

869
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:06,000
what you follow, but I think it 
sounds like the more actual 

870
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:10,000
medicinal, like, traditional 
route of a ketogenic diet. 

871
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,600
Is that what you kind of follow?
Yeah, man. 

872
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,200
It's kind of crazy, like, like 
the die. 

873
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,900
Diets. 
The ketogenic that's kind of 

874
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:17,700
gotten bastardized over the past
few years. 

875
00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:19,800
Like people have got these 
different versions of key to the

876
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,400
point where it's not even key to
any more like you doing car 

877
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,000
Bumps by definition. 
It's not keto. 

878
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,100
I mean, that's just yeah, that's
what I was. 

879
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:33,000
I was I was wondering because 
I've because obviously you're 

880
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,700
not going to self out and 
filling up and but I've noticed 

881
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,000
I don't know if you tried it, 
but people who go deeper into 

882
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,900
ketosis. 
I've seen some data points where

883
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:44,800
the deeper you go into. 
Joseph. 

884
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,900
I've been have that carbohydrate
day and maybe supplement with 

885
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:53,300
some other figure out what kind 
of salt beach be or yeah, 

886
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:55,300
different salts. 
They try to bring yourself back 

887
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:57,900
into ketosis, but the deeper 
your in ketosis. 

888
00:47:57,900 --> 00:47:59,700
The easier it is to get back 
into keto secret. 

889
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:01,600
Knock yourself out. 
Is that, is that true that 

890
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:02,600
valid? 
I'm not really sure. 

891
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,300
Yeah. 
I mean, your body, your body 

892
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:07,600
develops, metabolic pathways to 
shuttle ketones, you know, 

893
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,500
through the body. 
So like if you are in a deep 

894
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:11,900
level of ketosis, you it's like 
you're losing all those 

895
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:15,000
metabolic pathways. 
If you deviate And so it's 

896
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,300
definitely easier to get back on
track when you do and people 

897
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:21,000
that do go back and forth, you 
know, like that's their money, 

898
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,300
their prerogative more power to 
them. 

899
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:27,000
But my thing is always been 
trying to optimize bodybuilding 

900
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:29,600
natural bodybuilding from a 
ketogenic standpoint while 

901
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,200
following a legitimate ketogenic
diets. 

902
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,500
So I've not done the crazy car 
Buffs since I've been doing it 

903
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:37,200
Quito. 
Yeah, but I'm isn't, I mean 

904
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,700
people have been getting freakin
crazy lean and when it shows 

905
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:42,400
doing all kinds of diets, so 
yeah, great. 

906
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:44,200
There's a lot of different ways.
It's going to cancel. 

907
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,000
Let us think, you know as yep. 
Exactly. %. 

908
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:51,900
Ya know, and that's that's very 
interesting because I think, I 

909
00:48:51,908 --> 00:48:56,000
even remember seeing some of 
your some content about body 

910
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,200
composition stuff and especially
your strength. 

911
00:48:58,900 --> 00:49:01,400
You're like, hey, I haven't had 
any carbs today and I just ER, 

912
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,200
right? 
And it's just really 

913
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,300
interesting. 
It's cool to see and that's why 

914
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:09,600
I feel like there's. 
He's, there's coaches out there 

915
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,900
that are like preach one thing. 
Just one thing and talk shit 

916
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:14,200
about the other. 
Honestly, rip the real. 

917
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:16,200
E of it is that I don't think 
there needs to be a bunch of 

918
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,600
trash talking and everybody has 
their own methodology and not, 

919
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,000
everybody can be like you just 
said it's not what more than 

920
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,300
her. 
There's more than one way to 

921
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:27,000
skin a cat. 
And I think that the cool part 

922
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:32,100
is were all chasing like Optimal
results with that one pathway 

923
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:35,100
that we really enjoy learning 
more about and then comparing 

924
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:37,800
it, right? 
And we're always trying to be 

925
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,300
the winner, obviously, because 
we're all competitive, like, are

926
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,200
always better, but there's 
obviously a clickable stuff. 

927
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,200
Each individual kind of 
nutrition route. 

928
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:50,100
Like I think that and I was 
going to ask you about this too,

929
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:54,400
because I had a buddy that 
diagnosed with cancer. 

930
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,700
I think it was about a year ago 
or something and he got it all 

931
00:49:56,700 --> 00:50:01,500
figured out, but I saw that he's
one of my best friends are like 

932
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:04,200
bad. 
I don't I'm not familiar or in 

933
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,600
depth with the information for 
ketogenic diet and to Aid in 

934
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,800
this. 
But I do know that there is a 

935
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,600
lot of evidence out there. 
I just have a dope into it, you 

936
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,600
know. 
And I was going to ask you about

937
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,700
is if you've, if you did of into
the kind of more the medical or 

938
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:22,900
that disease route with 
utilizing that the ketogenic 

939
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:24,900
diet. 
I mean, that's probably where 

940
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,000
the ketogenic that truly shines.
I mean, they're the research 

941
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,700
that's been done and is being 
done right now. 

942
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:34,600
From a medical front for using 
the kids drink diet, for 

943
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,000
patients with cancer near 
generative disease like that. 

944
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,100
That's what's got me more 
excited to anything in the 

945
00:50:40,107 --> 00:50:42,700
performance realm, to be honest.
I love the performance from, I 

946
00:50:42,707 --> 00:50:44,000
mean, I'm a performance 
athletes. 

947
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,400
That's A, what I resonate most 
with, but the efficacy of the 

948
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,400
kids drink diet, in mitigating 
the adverse effects of cancer 

949
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,000
patients. 
And people who have Alzheimer's 

950
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,000
dementia, things of that nature 
is really, really promising. 

951
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:01,400
Yeah, that's what I've seen and 
so that's what sparked my 

952
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,900
interest about it too. 
But yeah, I really like that. 

953
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:06,500
How your that's kind of a 
traditional, you know, medicinal

954
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:09,100
route. 
And I like how you're putting it

955
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:13,100
in the performance for them 
because a lot of people have 

956
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:16,100
different opinions. 
Obviously, but you're showcasing

957
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:20,500
that, you know, keto still has 
its still it's not, it shouldn't

958
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:22,800
be overlooked. 
I guess in terms of performance,

959
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,300
right? 
Yeah, our body billion general, 

960
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:29,700
you know, and so because I'll 
yeah, you're like, the underdog.

961
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:32,300
I love that. 
You know what I'm saying, 

962
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,700
especially the bodybuilding 
room. 

963
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:35,400
Yeah. 
I feel like bodybuilders are 

964
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:38,300
definitely going to be the last 
to adopt or even. 

965
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:40,600
I don't need to know if I ever 
will adopt in legitimate. 

966
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,600
Ketogenic approach form, you 
know, mainstream bodybuilding. 

967
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,100
It's probably always. 
Going to be on The Fringe. 

968
00:51:45,100 --> 00:51:48,400
But I mean, I'm okay with that. 
Like, I'm not trying to take 

969
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,100
over the world with what the 
prominent dining protocol is by 

970
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:53,500
any means. 
And, you know, to each their own

971
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:56,000
whatever's, most sustainable to 
you and best for you, you know, 

972
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,900
keep doing that. 
I mean, that's why I want to get

973
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:00,600
you on the show because, I mean,
you look freaking amazing. 

974
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,500
You look healthy, you're eating,
you know, ton of calories. 

975
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:05,400
Now, post-show. 
You got a smile on your face. 

976
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,700
I mean, you're obviously doing 
something, right? 

977
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,000
Yeah. 
No, I appreciate that. 

978
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,300
Yeah, it's been fun. 
It's been interesting to just 

979
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:17,000
see cuz I'm just like I said a 
big advocate of just constant 

980
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,400
constantly acquiring his most 
consistent data as I possibly 

981
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,900
can going forward, right? 
I think that a lot of people 

982
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,700
probably think I'm crazy. 
Honestly. 

983
00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:28,700
Because post-show, all, they're 
thinking about is burger and 

984
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:30,800
fries or whatever the hell they 
think about. 

985
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:36,300
But I told kettle of gaily and 
like, look, I got to be able to 

986
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:38,700
track if we're gonna go out to 
eat or whatever we're doing it. 

987
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:40,400
Can we just cook here? 
Because I want to be able to 

988
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,600
track and see what happens 
because you're just in such a 

989
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:48,100
Sort of position that you're not
going to be able to maintain, 

990
00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:51,100
you shouldn't maintained for a 
long-standing period of time, 

991
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,100
just from an appearance 
standpoint, but I want to 

992
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:57,100
acquire as much data as I 
possibly can because that data 

993
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:00,300
gives you the ability to make 
really good projections for the 

994
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:01,400
future. 
You know what I mean? 

995
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,900
It's so kind. 
So editors to just go off the 

996
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:07,100
rails. 
Post-show, and even if they're 

997
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:09,200
tracking, like, they'll have, 
like, one or two or three days 

998
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,000
that are just not tracking, and 
then it's just like, it's total 

999
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,100
crap. 
She like, you have no idea what 

1000
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:15,000
you're taking in. 
It's probably north of 10,000 

1001
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,500
calories. 
I mean, it's just a ton of food,

1002
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:19,500
and I've got one client right 
now. 

1003
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:24,500
She's a bikini competitor. 
She competed 22 weeks ago and we

1004
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:26,700
got her down. 
I think as low as I think 1400 

1005
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:30,900
calories was as low as we went 
and she's been reversed outing 

1006
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:34,100
since then and she's currently 
at 2,100 calories. 

1007
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:38,900
And she weighs she weighed 113 
on show day and she weighs 110 

1008
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:45,100
now lifting more weight on all 
of her lips, like, Considerably 

1009
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,400
and of all, my clients. 
She's probably the one that has 

1010
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,800
been the strictest. 
Post-show like, she's like, 

1011
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,500
hitting all your Macros on the 
hand like perfectly, post-show 

1012
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:57,100
like, like as if she were doing 
a print. 

1013
00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:58,300
Like, she's post-show now, 
though. 

1014
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:02,400
So, like seeing that kind of 
opened my eyes to the point 

1015
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,200
because even I like I'll get a 
little more aggressive because I

1016
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,000
know I can post show and I'll 
stay, you know, within a 

1017
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,500
reasonable weight, but I don't 
get nearly as strict as she has 

1018
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:14,100
been but seeing her as strict as
she had, it's like shoot. 

1019
00:54:14,300 --> 00:54:17,800
I'm motivated to go this rigid 
with it because I mean seeing 

1020
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,500
her weight actually go down and 
her conditioning continue to 

1021
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:22,600
improve while her lips have gone
up. 

1022
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,400
It's like it's kind of 
eye-opening to me. 

1023
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,800
Yeah. 
No, I love that too. 

1024
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,600
And that's, that's super cool. 
You got to witness and you had 

1025
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,500
somebody that could eventually 
do with stained and actually go 

1026
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:36,500
through that control environment
because yeah, you get to see a 

1027
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:40,000
lot of very interesting things 
that I think that, you know, 

1028
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:43,200
reversing out of that. 
It didn't go in a controlled 

1029
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,800
route and The Implement more 
calories is just starting to 

1030
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,200
shed distress off a person, 
right? 

1031
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:54,100
And you can see the just the 
positive effects of that, and 

1032
00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:55,800
that's super cool. 
She even got leaner because 

1033
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,800
that's what I was experiencing 
between. 

1034
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,500
Each of my shows is that little 
bit of up regulation, especially

1035
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:06,300
after the Nationals and stuff. 
I started to increase in food 

1036
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:09,900
pretty aggressively, but 
controlled my stret. 

1037
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:13,200
I didn't even I most people, you
know, how you go to the gym. 

1038
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,500
Post-show and you have all these
carbs loaded and you go and get 

1039
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:19,300
a huge pump and your little 
heavier. 

1040
00:55:19,300 --> 00:55:22,800
You getting excited to be back 
in the gym, but you're still 

1041
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,100
your body still like fatigue 
from that extensive. 

1042
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,600
Oh, yeah. 
Hounding, you just put on it. 

1043
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,800
Right? 
And so what I really prioritized

1044
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:36,800
is sleep, and actually I reduced
my training intensity where like

1045
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,700
I would go in the gym and I 
would not trained like, you know

1046
00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:42,300
soft, but I wouldn't be 
training. 

1047
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:44,600
Super intensely, you know, just 
getting some Amen. 

1048
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:50,000
And prioritizing honestly 
distress and and and I kind of 

1049
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,000
started separate my mind away 
from bodybuilding and more into,

1050
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,300
like, my business and my 
relationship with my fiancé, 

1051
00:55:57,300 --> 00:56:00,300
just kind of get my mind off 
things that I've been in that 

1052
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:01,600
realm for the last six to eight 
months. 

1053
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,600
Right. 
And started try to shed stress 

1054
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,800
off and I felt like in doing so 
and trying to recover for more 

1055
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,900
of an internal endocrine 
standpoint. 

1056
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:13,500
I feel like that, you know, I 
don't know for sure. 

1057
00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:16,200
I don't have a Actual science or
data showing this. 

1058
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,800
But I would assume that I have 
some correlation to the amount 

1059
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:24,400
of increased caloric intake that
I've been able to withstand and 

1060
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,600
still hold this lower body fat 
percentage, you know, percent 

1061
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:29,900
and with you, you know what I 
mean? 

1062
00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:34,600
So I like I said, I'll have like
actual scientific blood markers 

1063
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,100
and all this kind of stuff, the 
Showcase. 

1064
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,400
But I do think there is 
definitely some some Merit 

1065
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,900
behind people may be focusing a 
little more on their stress 

1066
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:45,600
reduction. 
And maybe pulling back on the 

1067
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,200
intensity of your training plan.
Your body like recover for a 

1068
00:56:48,207 --> 00:56:52,400
second and focusing outside of 
body building or whatever it is.

1069
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,400
Is it your stress or your mind, 
you know, all those emotional 

1070
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,100
emotions and stuff fluctuating 
during prep, when you're in 

1071
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:01,800
local or levels and low body fat
levels, all that kind of stuff, 

1072
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,500
obviously happens, but coming 
out of it. 

1073
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:06,200
Yeah. 
I don't know your thoughts and 

1074
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,100
what she's kind of relate to you
in terms of post-show and 

1075
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:13,600
reverse dieting and going 
through that, even maybe do you 

1076
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,900
notice that? 
It by fat percentage is 

1077
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:17,400
withstanding or if I should 
getting leaner. 

1078
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,100
She's deaf. 
I mean, she's I mean her body 

1079
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:21,800
fat probably stayed pretty 
consistent. 

1080
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,900
But I mean, it's like it hasn't 
gone up from what it was during 

1081
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:27,100
peak week, which is quite. 
So it's already like at its 

1082
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:30,500
lowest and it's very still 
showcasing all those same lines 

1083
00:57:30,500 --> 00:57:31,800
and separation between the 
muscles. 

1084
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,500
So I mean, she looks amazing and
she's lifting heavier. 

1085
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:38,700
So I mean that's been a pretty 
big eye-opener to see there but 

1086
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,000
100% agree with you on the 
stress. 

1087
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,400
I mean, I think the amount of I 
mean if you're crazy stress, All

1088
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,300
of them in your testosterone is 
going to take a massive 

1089
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:48,800
nosedive. 
If you're not sleeping your 

1090
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,800
recovery. 
So your training frequency and 

1091
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,100
intensity is going to dive. 
I mean, everything is going to 

1092
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:57,300
be dictated based off of your 
levels of stress and I feel like

1093
00:57:57,700 --> 00:58:01,700
my personality type is such that
I just white-knuckle it all the 

1094
00:58:01,700 --> 00:58:06,300
way through which only increases
stress and kind of wines a foot.

1095
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:08,900
I think all these body butters 
are just smoke weed throughout 

1096
00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:13,600
their entire pressure on it 
became that, that's not what I'm

1097
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,500
doing, but I Feel like I feel 
like there's probably some 

1098
00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:17,900
method to that Madness, you 
know, you just like in this 

1099
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:20,400
happy-go-lucky mind-state the 
whole way through and like you 

1100
00:58:20,408 --> 00:58:22,800
probably feel and perform better
because of it. 

1101
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:26,100
Yeah. 
No, I remember back to the yeah.

1102
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:30,400
It's a lot of love by Builders 
do and they like no, I don't 

1103
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,200
drink. 
I just smoke weed and I'm like, 

1104
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,500
okay, but I totally get it. 
Like you're right. 

1105
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:38,000
I think probably some method to 
that Madness, but I'm just not a

1106
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,400
huge. 
I'm not a person that, you know,

1107
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,100
smokes weed. 
But yeah, I can see why and I 

1108
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,300
think that as long as they can 
keep their sleep actually 

1109
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:51,200
getting into REM Cycles 
everything while, you know, 

1110
00:58:51,300 --> 00:58:54,600
using that as an aide. 
And yeah, I bet you probably 

1111
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,600
helps them a lot. 
But yeah, I think that will 

1112
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,600
happen the same as you though, 
white-knuckling it and that's 

1113
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,200
kind of the biggest lot of 
people say. 

1114
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,800
Yeah, when they will say they do
well, they were in a show or 

1115
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:11,600
they placed a certain placing at
Nationals and everybody's 

1116
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,400
congratulating me. 
You know, me on some of those SS

1117
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,200
I had and I really appreciate it
and it's it's awesome to feel 

1118
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,500
like you accomplished something 
in that sorts, but really my 

1119
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:26,700
biggest accomplishment for those
this last contest prep had 

1120
00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:31,000
nothing to do with my placing or
any of that stuff. 

1121
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:37,400
It's it was actually the growth 
in the mental part of prep, 

1122
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:43,500
being able to manage emotions 
stress work life social life. 

1123
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:49,300
All those balances and still 
being able to achieve that level

1124
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:52,400
of conditioning that I got to. 
If that makes sense totally 

1125
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:53,800
mild. 
It's super commendable. 

1126
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,100
Yeah. 
This because like that was my I 

1127
00:59:57,100 --> 01:00:02,600
guess it kind of came up because
I remember it was probably and 

1128
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,700
Club hasn't peed in a while 
because of some things going on,

1129
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:06,800
but it's probably like two three
years ago. 

1130
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,100
I think it was funny, guys, Pro 
card. 

1131
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,600
I remember talking with them and
he was in peak week and he's 

1132
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,000
laughing. 
And on the phone happy-go-lucky 

1133
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,800
and I see. 
And he said, yeah, I'm just kind

1134
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,000
of busy. 
I'm moving houses right now. 

1135
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,700
I said, you're in, we're peak 
week and you're moving like, 

1136
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,000
like, you have the energy to do 
that. 

1137
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:28,300
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1138
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,400
We were just getting it done. 
And it took that moment where he

1139
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,000
told me, you know, his biggest 
accomplishment was when his wife

1140
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,700
at the time, they're not tail 
anymore, but I told him that she

1141
01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:45,400
didn't notice a difference of Is
him personally of the 

1142
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,600
personality, or snapping at or 
any of those kind of variables 

1143
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:52,500
from the time, he was out of 
prep to the day of the show 

1144
01:00:52,500 --> 01:00:54,900
email. 
He withstood his character 

1145
01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:57,100
personality. 
He was, you know, showed the 

1146
01:00:57,100 --> 01:00:59,200
tension or, you know, they have 
a daughter. 

1147
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,800
Now, all those factors and life,
a lot of people. 

1148
01:01:02,808 --> 01:01:07,500
I feel like start to sacrifice 
or feel like they need to 

1149
01:01:07,508 --> 01:01:10,600
sacrifice certain things in 
order to keep progressing. 

1150
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,700
And in terms of getting to that 
Elite level of conditioning, 

1151
01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:15,900
right? 
Right, could ya your energies 

1152
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:18,200
down emotions? 
Are a little elevated, all that 

1153
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,200
stuff. 
But I think that everybody has 

1154
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:25,400
control or is has the ability to
control those factors, right? 

1155
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,100
No, I think that should be the 
goal, for sure. 

1156
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:30,400
I don't know that I've made 
through yet. 

1157
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,800
Like my wife can definitely tell
when I'm in a prep versus low, 

1158
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,200
however, say, yeah, definitely 
not made there. 

1159
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,800
But at least you keep inching 
your way. 

1160
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,000
I think every prep you will get 
better and better but that's 

1161
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,900
kind of like my goal. 
And so that. 

1162
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:45,200
Yeah, tell me yours. 
Experience though. 

1163
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:50,100
Yeah, I think I think that 
definitely improves with the 

1164
01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:51,800
number of preps. 
You go through collect the first

1165
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,300
prep, you do you have no 
perspective. 

1166
01:01:54,300 --> 01:01:58,200
And with that complete, lack of 
perspective, you have this 

1167
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,700
massive fear of the unknown and 
that Stress and Anxiety weighs. 

1168
01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:05,400
So heavily on you and your 
day-to-day, you know, demeanor 

1169
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,700
that you just become this 
miserable wreck. 

1170
01:02:07,700 --> 01:02:11,200
No matter what you're doing. 
And then as you do, more and 

1171
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,600
more certain like, the first row
is always the hardest, but then,

1172
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,400
as you Do more and more shows 
and you gain that perspective 

1173
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:20,600
like you're able to juggle 
everything much more efficient 

1174
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,200
and it's not like this huge 
overbearing weight that just 

1175
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:27,000
constantly burdens you. 
Yeah. 

1176
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,000
No, I agree 100% because exactly
what you said, a lot of people 

1177
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,600
don't take into account just 
that stress of the unknowing, 

1178
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,100
right? 
It's just like anything in life 

1179
01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:40,200
when you don't know it just you 
know, know how to prepare for or

1180
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:41,300
anything like that. 
Right? 

1181
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:45,900
And so yeah, I would definitely 
say the first show is probably 

1182
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:49,800
the most exciting because you're
getting on, you know, for the 

1183
01:02:49,808 --> 01:02:54,000
first time on stage and optional
this but definitely the most 

1184
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,200
stressful, the Because I think 
that it's like that mental 

1185
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,200
barrier that each show or each, 
but maybe you've seen this, 

1186
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,100
you've been able to push a 
little further down with a 

1187
01:03:05,107 --> 01:03:08,800
little more Comfort. 
I guess you'd say that because 

1188
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,500
you know when that next phase 
of. 

1189
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:14,000
Okay, here's when the brain fog 
starts to kick in or here's 

1190
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,600
where I know my energies might 
get down a little bit or here's 

1191
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,800
where, you know, whatever 
happens like it's just going to 

1192
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:20,700
happen. 
Right? 

1193
01:03:20,700 --> 01:03:22,800
And you just got to embrace it. 
That this is part of the 

1194
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,500
process, right? 
Totally man. 

1195
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,500
Um, so I I agree with you there.
I'm curious. 

1196
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:30,600
Have you noticed? 
Because you competed naturally 

1197
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:34,800
prior to the the tumor, right? 
Yeah. 

1198
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,400
Have you noticed like what have 
you noticed in regards to 

1199
01:03:38,500 --> 01:03:42,700
changes in performance recovery,
sleep energy conditioning with 

1200
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:44,700
the addition of the trt. 
Like, is it pretty tangible 

1201
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:48,900
difference? 
What's a good question? 

1202
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:55,500
A lot of moving factors there? 
I would say that. 

1203
01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:03,000
The look of the physique, I can 
say definitely different. 

1204
01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:05,100
And I've actually tried to, it's
funny. 

1205
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,000
I've been texting, you know, I'm
enhanced and using these 

1206
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,600
different. 
I've used testosterone, but I'll

1207
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,500
be completely transparent, usage
of different Peds as well. 

1208
01:04:14,300 --> 01:04:18,100
And the funny part is, is the 
more I'm trying to be in the 

1209
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:21,700
growth of gain muscle tissue and
going down this route of the 

1210
01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:25,900
untested and PC. 
And ifbb is I'm trying to 

1211
01:04:25,900 --> 01:04:30,500
withstand Natural body. 
Builders look, just with a 

1212
01:04:30,500 --> 01:04:32,700
bigger this more muscle mass 
accumulated. 

1213
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,100
Does that make sense? 
Yeah, like tight, good stuff. 

1214
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,200
Tight waist. 
Actual death. 

1215
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:43,500
Like the Shred, the striations 
and the cuts and everything from

1216
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:45,700
a natural body builder 
perspective. 

1217
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:49,000
Like I've seen the look is a lot
different especially in the 

1218
01:04:49,008 --> 01:04:51,900
enhance world. 
When people push chillingly hard

1219
01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:54,100
drug usage, especially 
implementing, you know, if 

1220
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:58,100
you're using form of insulin and
different, The look of the 

1221
01:04:58,100 --> 01:05:01,400
muscle just becomes different. 
It's a little more inflated. 

1222
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,200
You don't see as many lines. 
Right? 

1223
01:05:04,300 --> 01:05:08,900
And I really admire and respect 
heavily, the look of natural 

1224
01:05:08,900 --> 01:05:12,800
body builders because you could 
tell, you can like really tell 

1225
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,500
their hard-earned what like 
their life story through their 

1226
01:05:15,700 --> 01:05:17,200
muscle density and all this kind
of stuff. 

1227
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,600
Right? 
It's kind of weird to say, but 

1228
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:23,200
that's it just it's more of an 
art look, you know, it's actual 

1229
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,000
aesthetically pleasing in my 
eyes. 

1230
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,200
And so I try to chase that That 
and that's why I another I'm an 

1231
01:05:28,207 --> 01:05:31,200
advocate of not pushing super 
hard with that increased from 

1232
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,400
usage because yeah, it's gonna 
take me a lot longer. 

1233
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,000
If I even one day potentially 
turn pro. 

1234
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,500
Who knows? 
I'm not worried about it, but 

1235
01:05:39,500 --> 01:05:42,100
it'll take me because of my 
process is a lot different than 

1236
01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:44,400
guys. 
So I figure out my age pushing 

1237
01:05:45,300 --> 01:05:48,800
at least four times the amount 
or five times or more that I use

1238
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,100
in terms of drug usage, to try 
and get as big as possible to be

1239
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:56,400
able to be to the size that you 
need to be in order to play at 

1240
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:02,000
the highwomen. 
Our level of by Billy great but 

1241
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,900
it's not really what it's all 
about my eyes. 

1242
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,200
I totally get it and respect it 
and you know, people go that 

1243
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,100
route. 
That's totally cool. 

1244
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:09,300
That's their choice. 
Right? 

1245
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:13,800
But in my eyes it's funny to say
but I feel like I'm chasing a 

1246
01:06:13,808 --> 01:06:15,000
natural body. 
Builders. 

1247
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,700
Look just with more accumulated 
muscle tissue, right? 

1248
01:06:18,900 --> 01:06:20,300
Yeah. 
Now, there's definitely a 

1249
01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:23,100
different look that I've tried 
to, like, pinpointed and put it 

1250
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:25,700
into words, but I feel like you 
didn't much better job than I 

1251
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:30,300
could have, but it's like The 
the depth of the, the muscle 

1252
01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:34,200
cuts and the grayness and just 
the level of conditioning seems 

1253
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,500
to pop a lot more on like the 
the world's greatest natural 

1254
01:06:38,500 --> 01:06:41,400
competitor. 
Looks much more conditioned in 

1255
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,700
the world's greatest enhanced 
competitor, you know, like on 

1256
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:47,800
IMDb stage in my opinion. 
Yeah. 

1257
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,800
Yeah, I guess that paper thin 
but just the especially the 

1258
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:51,900
glutes everything. 
Yeah. 

1259
01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:56,600
I just it's just a different 
look and I don't know. 

1260
01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:59,100
You know, can't say all the 
mechanisms behind it and 

1261
01:06:59,100 --> 01:07:00,800
everything. 
Obviously, this enhanced 

1262
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,400
anabolic effects of the Peds. 
And now, the one thing that I 

1263
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,000
learned heavily lifted to, it 
was great to see, we recorded, 

1264
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,400
very stringent data points, but 
the usage of certain compounds. 

1265
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,400
But also, when removing certain 
compounds at certain times, 

1266
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,900
definitely heavily affects the 
ending look. 

1267
01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:29,100
Because, actually, once I 
removed things, Some things and 

1268
01:07:29,700 --> 01:07:32,900
technically, post-show just 
coming, you know, releasing all 

1269
01:07:32,900 --> 01:07:35,100
that. 
And just being on tier key dose 

1270
01:07:35,100 --> 01:07:37,400
of testosterone for a little 
bit, and I actually just got 

1271
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,100
done bridging with, no 
testosterone replacement 

1272
01:07:41,100 --> 01:07:42,900
therapy. 
And just having a doctor 

1273
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:45,100
familiar with bridging protocols
or PCT. 

1274
01:07:45,100 --> 01:07:49,600
Protocols of using terms, like 
clomiphene or people use 

1275
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,700
different ones with a CG in 
there to kind of stimulate 

1276
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:58,900
natural production again, but I 
was It more for fertility 

1277
01:07:58,900 --> 01:08:00,900
purposes because I know couldn't
stay there forever and keep a 

1278
01:08:00,900 --> 01:08:04,300
good range of testosterone but 
for fertility purposes, so 

1279
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:08,800
hopefully that's yeah. 
Yeah, right. 

1280
01:08:09,300 --> 01:08:13,700
I just bridge look that but I 
noticed that the retention of 

1281
01:08:13,700 --> 01:08:17,200
water is that the look I've 
started almost look a little bit

1282
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,800
harder. 
Coming off some things that 

1283
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,200
really opened the eyes of Life 
gate who probably could actually

1284
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,600
change things and not have to 
deplete so hard. 

1285
01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:30,200
The come into this, the cap of 
the scale, wait for that 

1286
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,700
division that we want to get to 
without having to push more 

1287
01:08:33,700 --> 01:08:36,800
stress, but actually just made 
me bring a little bit of dosages

1288
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,899
or compound in a certain way. 
That makes sense. 

1289
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,399
Yeah. 
So very, very, very interesting 

1290
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:47,200
kind of data points. 
We got there, but in terms of, I

1291
01:08:47,207 --> 01:08:49,500
don't know what you ask maybe 
like in terms of dieting or 

1292
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:53,100
training and Recovery, you said 
yeah and like any like, strength

1293
01:08:53,100 --> 01:08:56,200
changes. 
I would imagine your ability to 

1294
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,100
Raintree. 
Pain muscle and continue to lift

1295
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,200
as hard. 
And heavy is probably heads a 

1296
01:09:01,207 --> 01:09:04,100
little bit in the favor of one. 
That is enhanced. 

1297
01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:09,399
Yeah, I would say. 
So I say, I personally 

1298
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:13,200
experienced more of those 
strengths and those kind of 

1299
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,500
wholeness and they all that kind
of stuff more and my offseason 

1300
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:21,200
when implementing something or 
my sorry, not in the dieting for

1301
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,899
that cuz I don't say offseason 
rates on season, but just in a 

1302
01:09:23,899 --> 01:09:26,100
higher body fat percentage when 
you're not dieting for show, 

1303
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,600
yeah. 
That's what I would notice. 

1304
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:33,500
Usually a lot more but I would 
say yeah muscle preservation. 

1305
01:09:33,500 --> 01:09:37,399
Definitely. 
I've noticed the keeping I was 

1306
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:39,500
holding on. 
I was really trying to hold on 

1307
01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:44,399
to my quad fullness as per dear 
life, you know, and finally it 

1308
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:45,700
was just kind of the last 
week's. 

1309
01:09:45,700 --> 01:09:47,800
It'll you made a decision to 
bring in the glutes L'Amour 

1310
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,500
obviously. 
And you know, I the end look was

1311
01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:53,100
what I was couldn't. 
Couldn't have beat it. 

1312
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:56,400
I had my opinion, but but yeah, 
I definitely think that holding 

1313
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,500
on Strengthen and some fullness 
of the muscle muscle 

1314
01:10:00,500 --> 01:10:03,600
preservation, almost things 
definitely enhance athlete. 

1315
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,400
You can hold onto. 
You can usually push a little 

1316
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:10,400
harder to you'll notice like 
with my enhanced versus my 

1317
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,700
natural competitors, depending 
on how you do your your prep. 

1318
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:17,100
If you push. 
Like I push harder personally on

1319
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:20,100
the front end of a dating phase.
So most people get confused when

1320
01:10:20,100 --> 01:10:23,000
I'm like, okay, we're five 
months out, six months out. 

1321
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:24,200
We're going to start trying to 
lose it. 

1322
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,500
A pound and a half or two pound 
loss a week. 

1323
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:28,200
Right now, they're like, wait, 
what? 

1324
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:34,100
We're so far out, but it's just 
thinking about the foreshadowing

1325
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:35,800
of the few. 
Like, what's going to separate 

1326
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,600
you? 
From your competition on stage. 

1327
01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:39,700
You can separate them by 
conditioning, right? 

1328
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,500
And so usually, you know, 
everybody's pushing eight weeks 

1329
01:10:42,500 --> 01:10:44,000
out. 
Everybody's doing tons of cardio

1330
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,400
and eating nothing and, you 
know, trying to get shredded, 

1331
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,100
but what are they doing right 
now? 

1332
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:50,000
Six months out? 
A lot of people are out messed 

1333
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,800
around bars and all that kind of
stuff. 

1334
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,600
But the reality of it is, if you
could push now at a higher body 

1335
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,500
fat percentage, it gives you a 
chance to Reservoir of that 

1336
01:10:57,500 --> 01:11:00,800
muscle tissue when you are at a 
leaner body fat percentage, if 

1337
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,300
you slow down that rate of loss,
when you are leaner, right? 

1338
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:10,800
So that's kind of how I go about
things for, for those people. 

1339
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,600
I find out what else we're 
talking about there. 

1340
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:13,900
But yeah, I just wanted to 
mention. 

1341
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:15,800
No, I think that's super 
important, man. 

1342
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,500
I feel like you know, a lot of 
people they they they don't 

1343
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:21,500
they're kind of fast and loose 
with in the beginning and they 

1344
01:11:21,500 --> 01:11:23,800
just crammed time at the end. 
It's much better to come into 

1345
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,600
conditioning earlier or just shy
of it and kind of Coast into the

1346
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,400
prep or into the peak week as 
opposed to you know, everything 

1347
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,800
going ballistic right there at 
the end percent. 

1348
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,700
Yeah, and then you might even 
experience like what you're 

1349
01:11:36,700 --> 01:11:40,600
talking about with your bikini. 
Competitor is a as you can 

1350
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,100
start. 
Feeding them up into the show 

1351
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:43,100
actually. 
Yeah. 

1352
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,000
I actually have a feeling I have
a guy that's competing in the 

1353
01:11:47,100 --> 01:11:51,100
he's gonna stretch, it shows on 
the East Coast, Maryland and one

1354
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:56,000
of them is in Baltimore and I do
some over there and you know 

1355
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:00,500
what I noticed. 
Is he didn't know it, but his 

1356
01:12:00,500 --> 01:12:03,600
sodium intake was so extremely 
high. 

1357
01:12:03,900 --> 01:12:06,700
He actually started getting 
headaches and he wasn't crappy 

1358
01:12:06,700 --> 01:12:09,500
and I don't have people just 
like when there's so much to 

1359
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:12,500
track. 
It becomes more stress of so 

1360
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:15,600
much to do, right? 
So normally, I'm not just 

1361
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,300
natural levels of whatever I try
to shoot for at least a 25 

1362
01:12:18,300 --> 01:12:21,800
hundred, maybe 3000 mg minimum, 
but I'm not going to be too 

1363
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:23,500
standing on it. 
You know, I know there's going 

1364
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:26,500
to be a different fluctuation of
water in pictures or whatever. 

1365
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,800
But I'm not worried about it 
right now, but he was having 

1366
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,800
such a high amount of started 
getting headaches. 

1367
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,300
And obviously it is fluid 
consumption. 

1368
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:36,000
Couldn't offset. 
That ratio was just doing some 

1369
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:41,700
extreme amount, right? 
And and so when push them and 

1370
01:12:41,700 --> 01:12:45,000
he's already either as a guy can
metabolize carbohydrates very, 

1371
01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:47,400
very well. 
And so it's Clark intake is 

1372
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,100
still pretty high relatively to 
most people coming in and being 

1373
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:56,200
very lean. 
And I suspect because we noticed

1374
01:12:56,200 --> 01:13:01,200
that And we reducing sodium and 
he already started just losing 

1375
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,400
obviously weight, just naturally
because of that lowering of 

1376
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,900
sodium. 
And I would suspect that because

1377
01:13:07,900 --> 01:13:11,200
of that word, actually not going
to have to keep cutting food to 

1378
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:12,800
get leaner. 
He's actually going to be 

1379
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,300
starting to increase food into 
the show. 

1380
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:20,300
Just just because you're looking
at a different variable, but but

1381
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,800
you're ready early. 
It's never, it's never bad to be

1382
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:23,700
ready, early. 
Right? 

1383
01:13:23,700 --> 01:13:25,300
I think that's what your kind of
alluding to. 

1384
01:13:25,300 --> 01:13:27,900
Yeah, but it sucks. 
You can't fix when you're not 

1385
01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:32,200
ready in time. 
Hey, no, totally mean. 

1386
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,900
I feel like if you're, if you're
able to speak earlier, it's much

1387
01:13:34,900 --> 01:13:37,400
easier to hold onto that and 
kind of add a little bit more 

1388
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:42,400
polish than it is to try and fix
it on the tail end because then 

1389
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,700
you could be more aggressive 
with the amount of the refeed 

1390
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:47,000
calories, and, you know, fill 
out a little bit. 

1391
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,600
When I do a bunch of trial, 
refeeds in the weeks, prior to 

1392
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,500
the actual peak week, so I can 
figure out what intake of fats 

1393
01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:56,500
and proteins and electrolytes 
and water, they respond best to 

1394
01:13:56,700 --> 01:13:59,900
If you only if you already are 
coming in sharp, several weeks 

1395
01:13:59,900 --> 01:14:02,100
prior and you have more weeks to
really try that out and 

1396
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:04,400
optimized for it and you're way 
ahead of the game. 

1397
01:14:05,500 --> 01:14:11,200
Yeah, no, I would I would agree.
Yeah, I think that this is my 

1398
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,000
stretch. 
I mean I didn't do trial people 

1399
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,800
Express because I knew I was 
going to do like three maybe 

1400
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,600
four shows. 
So I was using that first one. 

1401
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,300
I've got a as my trial, I guess 
you'd say because I wasn't like 

1402
01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:25,100
a huge or a, you know, Big Show 
that I was trying to, you know, 

1403
01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:28,500
do you know win or whatever. 
And I don't have didn't even 

1404
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:30,700
winning that one to piss me off.
Absolutely. 

1405
01:14:31,900 --> 01:14:35,600
This guy came in just don't know
where he came from, but he Beat 

1406
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:40,000
me out when I got s about one. 
But anyways, trialing is great 

1407
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,500
though. 
I think that you're spot on 

1408
01:14:42,500 --> 01:14:45,600
there because allows you to see 
how you personally respond to 

1409
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:50,300
your protocol and you're loading
and that's where you get to see 

1410
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:53,200
and it's okay to spill over, you
know, because you can fix it, 

1411
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,700
you got time, obviously, to then
go into your actual Peak and 

1412
01:14:56,700 --> 01:14:59,400
know, you can't push it as hard,
but I think a lot of times 

1413
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:04,600
people will find during their 
trial, Peak is, they can push 

1414
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,200
actually harder Other than they 
think? 

1415
01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:08,300
Yeah, totally. 
Does that make sense? 

1416
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,300
Yeah, it kind of gives them 
confidence to because they can 

1417
01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:14,300
see where they can, you know, be
more aggressive or be more 

1418
01:15:14,300 --> 01:15:15,900
conservative. 
And then, if they have that 

1419
01:15:15,900 --> 01:15:18,100
knowledge going into the actual 
Peak Week, their level of 

1420
01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:20,500
stress, during peak week is 
significantly reduced. 

1421
01:15:20,500 --> 01:15:23,000
So then they're not holding a 
much unnecessary fluid from that

1422
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,800
stress. 100% Exactly. 
Exactly. 

1423
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,200
Yep. 
I agree. 100% but shoot man. 

1424
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:30,900
I don't want to take all your 
day here. 

1425
01:15:31,500 --> 01:15:32,900
What's in the pipeline for you? 
Get me. 

1426
01:15:32,900 --> 01:15:35,000
I know you're probably done 
competing for the season. 

1427
01:15:36,700 --> 01:15:40,700
Yeah, not even trying to get me 
to bridge over because I seems 

1428
01:15:40,700 --> 01:15:43,400
like I could be here pretty 
quickly with just, for some 

1429
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,600
reason, keeping these low body 
fat percentages. 

1430
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:50,200
But, uh, now I mean, I gotta 
take time to grow obviously and 

1431
01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:52,400
who knows when I'll compete 
again. 

1432
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,100
Like I said, my primary goal 
isn't isn't the pro card, but I 

1433
01:15:56,108 --> 01:15:59,400
just love this stuff and I love 
being able to acquire more 

1434
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,600
information to help. 
I want to be more of a coaching 

1435
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,100
role, you know, we are insolvent
in, right? 

1436
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:06,900
Right now, I'm actually in 
Arizona. 

1437
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:10,100
You can pick one of your shows 
in Washington, still. 

1438
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:14,300
Yeah, I did back then. 
Oh, yeah, when you were up there

1439
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:18,400
and you travel them did that 
when I was doing my shows and in

1440
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:23,900
Spokane, but now been doing 
shows in Arizona and I went over

1441
01:16:23,900 --> 01:16:27,300
to Florida for Nationals and 
then who knows where I will be 

1442
01:16:27,300 --> 01:16:29,400
next. 
I think that right now I'm 

1443
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,900
changing gears two more just 
like a business aspect of just 

1444
01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:35,600
getting two more shows, I think.
Next time, I compete. 

1445
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:37,900
Like I said, it's not about the 
pro cards much as I want to go 

1446
01:16:37,900 --> 01:16:41,700
meet more people. 
I want to, you know, show people

1447
01:16:41,700 --> 01:16:44,500
and talk more about like my 
strategy of how to get here and 

1448
01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:46,500
all that kind of stuff. 
Just because I want to try and 

1449
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:50,300
just just grow. 
And from a business standpoint. 

1450
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:54,800
I guess you'd say, well, instead
of just the athlete perspective.

1451
01:16:54,900 --> 01:16:56,500
No, man, we can shoot, we can 
talk with him. 

1452
01:16:56,500 --> 01:17:00,400
Holding the podcast on business,
but we gotta be going to compete

1453
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:01,300
next year, man. 
We got it. 

1454
01:17:01,300 --> 01:17:03,600
We got to step on stage the same
time, some time, you know. 

1455
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,200
Oh, man, I gotta push. 
What are you gonna do? 

1456
01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:11,400
You feel like I probably will 
start prepping in November of 

1457
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,000
this year and then plan on like 
competing starting in like, 

1458
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,600
april/may timeframe. 
That's typically what I wanted 

1459
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:22,900
up doing, but I did a, my last 
prep start in November of 2019 

1460
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:27,000
and I had like seven shows lined
up had a super busy for in 2005 

1461
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:30,300
season, but right, like 
literally a week and a half 

1462
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:32,700
before my first show, covid, 
hidden all the show. 

1463
01:17:32,700 --> 01:17:35,500
Oh, no, so I did. 
That prep work for nothing. 

1464
01:17:37,300 --> 01:17:40,800
Well enough. 
Oh, that's so roughly. 

1465
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,800
I'm sorry. 
Yeah, I'm cool. 

1466
01:17:42,900 --> 01:17:45,400
Well, he's gonna die out 
document a little bit of open 

1467
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,200
showcase for the people. 
So, again, like so official 

1468
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,000
photography done. 
That was that, that was good. 

1469
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,800
I mean, I'll be able to use 
that, you know, on the website 

1470
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,800
and everything but be, I'm 
definitely itching to get back 

1471
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,600
in the back in the prep, you 
know phase. 

1472
01:17:59,300 --> 01:17:59,900
Yeah. 
I know. 

1473
01:17:59,900 --> 01:18:02,200
I'm excited that to see to give 
you. 

1474
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,200
You made a lot of progress in 
this, seeing their condition. 

1475
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,900
Before and you hold it just 
baffles me. 

1476
01:18:06,900 --> 01:18:10,200
How much muscle tissue you hold 
as a natural athlete. 

1477
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,300
I'm just gonna be honest, like, 
it's just crazy to me. 

1478
01:18:12,300 --> 01:18:16,900
So you look, you're you're very 
competitive position going up. 

1479
01:18:16,900 --> 01:18:19,100
And what? 
So, what Pro status you have, 

1480
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:21,400
you have those, he be and you 
got, what else have you 

1481
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,800
accomplished? 
Because, I know, I know compete 

1482
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:28,200
in the the that you and bf, I 
guess their amateur division. 

1483
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:29,400
Okay. 
I + BF. 

1484
01:18:29,500 --> 01:18:35,300
I in international body building
for yeah NBF, but The pro show 

1485
01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:38,300
that I won, was that? 
That's the one that your client 

1486
01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:41,300
was in an in Spokane. 
That was WGBH. 

1487
01:18:41,300 --> 01:18:42,900
Oh TV. 
Oh, that's all right. 

1488
01:18:42,900 --> 01:18:46,400
Yeah, I think that's untested. 
Yeah, that was untested that one

1489
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,000
that one, but I definitely want 
to just focus on the natural 

1490
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,700
shows, but I would like to get 
the debu and bf Pro card and 

1491
01:18:53,700 --> 01:18:56,900
yeah, and I want to compete. 
Like I've competed in BC before 

1492
01:18:56,900 --> 01:18:59,700
I don't mind compete in MPC and 
I kind of for whatever reason. 

1493
01:18:59,700 --> 01:19:02,800
Like a lot of people like I'm 
trying to do everything is 

1494
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,200
totally different with a 
ketogenic. 

1495
01:19:04,300 --> 01:19:06,300
Perspective. 
And a lot of people give me 

1496
01:19:06,300 --> 01:19:10,200
Flack for saying, you know, I 
wouldn't be competitive not 

1497
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,700
having carbs so I can only show 
them. 

1498
01:19:12,700 --> 01:19:14,700
I can tell them all day long, 
but I really seem to show them. 

1499
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,100
So I kind of wanted I kind of 
want to beat all their asses and

1500
01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:22,800
do so on an untested show. 
So beat the people that are 

1501
01:19:22,900 --> 01:19:27,100
using gear and taken in carbs 
and me beat him with natural 

1502
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,400
without carbohydrates. 
Like that's what I want to do. 

1503
01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:31,600
Yeah, I know. 
I think you have every 

1504
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,800
opportunity to do that, too. 
There's no doubt. 

1505
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:38,200
My, I don't know how your shows 
are around there. 

1506
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:42,000
But just from what I saw you and
I was freaking three, four, 

1507
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,000
whatever it was. 
It was evidence in least three 

1508
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,200
years ago. 
Yeah, 17. 

1509
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,600
That's a long time. 
So there's no doubt in my mind. 

1510
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:51,400
You could do that. 
I mean, how I know Cliffs even 

1511
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,200
got vegans. 
He's better going and doing 

1512
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:55,900
Nationals and stuff like that 
and then PC. 

1513
01:19:55,900 --> 01:19:58,200
And I really think that pretty 
broad spectrum. 

1514
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,700
It's a because he's naturally 
like, he, Pete's. 

1515
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,600
He didn't recently but he's 
still totally natural, right? 

1516
01:20:04,300 --> 01:20:05,500
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1517
01:20:05,900 --> 01:20:09,100
Some, he coaches all kinds. 
So he's pretty impressive in his

1518
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:14,100
own right for sure. 
Yeah, and I think that with is 

1519
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:17,200
your foundation and it's like 
you're yeah, I definitely can. 

1520
01:20:17,208 --> 01:20:18,900
You go to NBC shows in this 
clean house? 

1521
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,900
Sure. 
That want to see you. 

1522
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,500
I don't know. 
What is it. 

1523
01:20:24,500 --> 01:20:28,100
I am BF show or I qualifier to 
fear wbf. 

1524
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,100
Yeah, the one in the neck. 
Springer talked about. 

1525
01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:33,500
Yeah, so the show and normally 
doing Washington. 

1526
01:20:33,900 --> 01:20:38,600
It's the Washington's state 
Pro-Am Puget. 

1527
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,000
Sound Pro. 
Am I and B FW + BF Pro 

1528
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,000
Qualifier. 
It's in Marysville Washington. 

1529
01:20:45,500 --> 01:20:49,000
And that's, that's the one that 
I've I got second in it. 

1530
01:20:49,100 --> 01:20:52,900
One year, I got second in it. 
I won one year and then get 

1531
01:20:52,900 --> 01:20:57,100
second of the overall. 
That was when I was that was 

1532
01:20:57,100 --> 01:21:00,000
before I was key. 
That was back in 2014, I think. 

1533
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:04,000
Ink. 
And then in 2017 I got second in

1534
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,700
it. 
So I've kind of just you know, 

1535
01:21:06,700 --> 01:21:08,100
got it. 
You got a chip on my shoulder to

1536
01:21:08,100 --> 01:21:10,300
take the overall title on that 
show at some point. 

1537
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,800
Yeah, of course, so that'll be 
good. 

1538
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,500
That'll be good. 
Well, maybe you'll rope me into 

1539
01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:22,300
it. 
I will see cuz I might be 

1540
01:21:22,500 --> 01:21:26,000
becoming a married man around 
that time and I don't think prep

1541
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,800
and get Mary's good, good combo.
Probably at the same time, but 

1542
01:21:30,100 --> 01:21:32,300
We'll see. 
Okay, that's awesome. 

1543
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,900
Yeah, I appreciate that. 
Yeah, but I know that well, 

1544
01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:40,500
we'll see cuz I know that 
instead of going over to Florida

1545
01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:43,000
next time. 
I don't know what was crossing 

1546
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:48,300
my mind at a time, but they 
switched USA's least last year. 

1547
01:21:48,300 --> 01:21:49,800
They did. 
I don't know how it will switch 

1548
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,300
it back, but it was in Vegas, 
but now it's in Scottsdale, 

1549
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,900
which is where I live makes it 
easy. 

1550
01:21:54,900 --> 01:21:57,000
So, yeah, make it a little 
easier. 

1551
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,800
I don't know why, but that's 
usually in July, but I know 

1552
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,500
that. 
That the qualifiers are probably

1553
01:22:02,500 --> 01:22:05,100
around the same time, you're 
talking about April and May or 

1554
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:07,900
whatever up in Spokane. 
The usual timeline, you know, I 

1555
01:22:07,900 --> 01:22:10,400
do hate how with a lot of match 
for shows. 

1556
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,200
Like the a lot of pro qualifying
shows are early in the year. 

1557
01:22:13,300 --> 01:22:17,300
And then you get you know, like 
world's is the W + BF, big one 

1558
01:22:17,300 --> 01:22:20,200
and that's like in November. 
So it's like you gotta have that

1559
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,900
massive spanning between show 
that I'm not a fan of. 

1560
01:22:23,900 --> 01:22:27,100
Yeah, you think they're more 
like because you know, they got 

1561
01:22:27,100 --> 01:22:31,000
like USA's and Junior USA's and 
National Junior Nationals and 

1562
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:36,800
like a couple other ones that 
are National shows to go pro but

1563
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,300
I think in a lot of natural 
shows, correct me if I'm wrong, 

1564
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,100
all of those are pro qualifiers 
rather than like having to do a 

1565
01:22:43,100 --> 01:22:45,500
national show to become Pro, 
correct. 

1566
01:22:45,500 --> 01:22:46,900
Yeah. 
There's a, there's a lot more 

1567
01:22:46,900 --> 01:22:49,700
Pro qualifying shows for sure 
and they're not all pro 

1568
01:22:49,700 --> 01:22:53,700
qualifying shows, but it's not 
like you have to do like 

1569
01:22:53,700 --> 01:22:56,600
Nationals like the the NPC 
Nationals. 

1570
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:58,400
There's not like an equivalent 
of that in the natural 

1571
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:02,000
federation's that I'm aware of. 
Yeah, that's yeah. 

1572
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:06,300
Yeah, so, but they go the pro 
row and, like your sophomore, 

1573
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:08,400
the circuit, then. 
Yeah, you have to wait till the 

1574
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,000
end of the year. 
So it does make it tough. 

1575
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,300
You kind of have to. 
It's kind of making them chose, 

1576
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:14,700
like people want to do more 
heavy on the back end of the 

1577
01:23:14,700 --> 01:23:18,500
year just because of that 
reason, you know, and then I 

1578
01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:21,600
don't know Generations like they
can few earn your pro card 

1579
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,300
status. 
You have to compete in a pro 

1580
01:23:23,300 --> 01:23:27,000
show within a year to maintain 
your pro card status, which I 

1581
01:23:27,008 --> 01:23:30,300
also I mean that's that's not 
good either because like You're 

1582
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,800
if you if you win your last show
of the season to get your pro 

1583
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,600
card and you don't plan on 
competing again that year. 

1584
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,200
Then you've got a literally not 
have hardly any offseason or as 

1585
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,600
you say non non. 
Come on. 

1586
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,200
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1587
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,400
Yeah. 
Do it again which and that's not

1588
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,100
really conducive to much muscle 
growth, you know? 

1589
01:23:49,300 --> 01:23:53,000
Yeah, that's exactly what I 
would say is, you know to know 

1590
01:23:53,100 --> 01:23:55,800
like Becomes of the genetic kind
of portion of it. 

1591
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:57,600
Where? 
Yeah, you turn pro and then you 

1592
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,900
can go do well at a pro show and
then go on. 

1593
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:05,100
From there. 
It's like I yeah, usually I have

1594
01:24:05,100 --> 01:24:09,500
a lot longer of a downtime 
between shows for my clients if 

1595
01:24:09,500 --> 01:24:11,200
they even if they. 
Like, for example, I have a 

1596
01:24:11,208 --> 01:24:17,100
client turn pro and OCB last. 
Yeah. 

1597
01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:21,200
Actually about a year and a half
ago now, and you want to do like

1598
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:24,000
a pro show and like now we're 
going to take a break because 

1599
01:24:24,100 --> 01:24:27,100
it's a totally different world, 
you know, from the amateur level

1600
01:24:27,100 --> 01:24:29,100
to the pro level not natural 
bodybuilding. 

1601
01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:33,100
It's a Different level of 
competitiveness, for sure. 

1602
01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:37,800
Hands down in my eyes. 
Yeah, and it's not just, you 

1603
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,600
brought in some glutes 
parameter, show, maybe turn pro.

1604
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,900
That's great. 
But you best believe that every 

1605
01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:45,600
single person at the pro 
circuit, at that next Pro show 

1606
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,100
is going to be killed. 
You know, they're going to be 

1607
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:50,100
shredded, they're going to bring
glutes, are going to be full of 

1608
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:52,700
mean, they're just, you got to 
have time for the muscle 

1609
01:24:53,500 --> 01:24:56,900
acquisition part of it, and then
bring the conditioning, even 

1610
01:24:56,900 --> 01:24:58,600
better than you did for the 
amateur show. 

1611
01:24:58,900 --> 01:25:01,000
So, I would agree. 
It makes it tough. 

1612
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,300
If you that they want you to 
maintain that status going. 

1613
01:25:03,300 --> 01:25:05,700
Right from your amateur to a 
pro. 

1614
01:25:05,700 --> 01:25:08,800
Unless unless you just, you 
know, you have the genetics to 

1615
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,700
do. 
Well at that, that next level of

1616
01:25:11,700 --> 01:25:15,300
competitors, you know, 100% 100%
Well shoot man. 

1617
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,500
I've been talking to your wife 
for over an hour. 

1618
01:25:17,500 --> 01:25:19,100
Now. 
I know you got stuff to do 

1619
01:25:20,500 --> 01:25:22,100
probably work out no gym right 
now. 

1620
01:25:22,900 --> 01:25:25,700
Yeah, exactly. 
I get it in. 

1621
01:25:25,700 --> 01:25:27,400
So no, I really I really 
sincerely. 

1622
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,900
Appreciate you having me on. 
I'm really happy. 

1623
01:25:30,100 --> 01:25:32,300
Have to catch up. 
I love talking about stuff 

1624
01:25:32,300 --> 01:25:33,800
today. 
And I'm just glad that you're 

1625
01:25:33,808 --> 01:25:34,500
doing well. 
Dude. 

1626
01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:38,600
You sound good things go. 
Well, with the company and the 

1627
01:25:38,608 --> 01:25:40,500
new set up at the warehouse. 
You have to let me know. 

1628
01:25:40,700 --> 01:25:41,900
Oh, we got it. 
May be struggling to. 

1629
01:25:41,900 --> 01:25:45,700
I don't know if you knew that. 
Oh my God, my goodness, dude. 

1630
01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:48,400
Yeah, that is one thing. 
I don't really know how that's 

1631
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,100
going to shake down with me 
prepping the same time. 

1632
01:25:51,100 --> 01:25:52,600
The newborn like I don't really 
know. 

1633
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,100
That's probably not going to be 
great for reducing stress. 

1634
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,600
Yeah, probably take it in before
before. 

1635
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,500
Baby pops out or whatever, but 
regardless that's that's 

1636
01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:04,400
awesome. 
Congrats, dude. 

1637
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,300
That's super, super awesome. 
Yeah, I appreciate it, man. 

1638
01:26:07,300 --> 01:26:09,900
So yeah, lots changed since we 
last tongue, but but always good

1639
01:26:09,900 --> 01:26:11,700
catching up with you, man. 
You're always killing it. 

1640
01:26:11,700 --> 01:26:13,700
It's always cool to follow along
and just see what you're working

1641
01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:15,900
on. 
Where people go to find out more

1642
01:26:15,900 --> 01:26:17,300
about you men and follow along 
as well. 

1643
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:20,600
Oh the plug moment. 
Yeah. 

1644
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:26,100
So I guess Instagram Facebook 
just want to type in what would 

1645
01:26:26,100 --> 01:26:30,700
be Instagram Austin pulse and 
fitness is kind of my No there. 

1646
01:26:30,700 --> 01:26:35,200
And then on Facebook, my company
name is AP performance. 

1647
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,500
You'll see a little logo with a 
do. 

1648
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:38,600
It. 
Kind of looks like a Batman 

1649
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:43,900
symbol almost honestly, but for 
my personal assist, Facebook 

1650
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:48,400
coach that awesome possum, and 
then if you want to visit my 

1651
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:54,300
website to its www.a peeper 
form.com, it's all one word, and

1652
01:26:54,300 --> 01:26:56,700
I'll have a podcast on there 
too. 

1653
01:26:56,700 --> 01:26:59,800
If you want to scroll back to 
back in, back in our younger. 

1654
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,700
Our days might have still should
be linked up there with the feed

1655
01:27:03,700 --> 01:27:07,300
and you can see our very first 
podcast we ever did me and key 

1656
01:27:07,300 --> 01:27:11,300
of Sounds here versus now. 
But yeah, that's where you can 

1657
01:27:11,300 --> 01:27:13,800
you know choir do all that fun 
stuff. 

1658
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:17,100
But I love meeting new people 
especially in your world to I 

1659
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,800
want to learn more and read and 
connect with more people in that

1660
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:22,900
the key to world. 
So shoot me a follow on 

1661
01:27:22,900 --> 01:27:24,700
Instagram. 
That's kind of my main Hub right

1662
01:27:24,700 --> 01:27:27,300
now, but but yeah man, that's 
about it. 

1663
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,400
Awesome man. 
Well, I'm a link out to those 

1664
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,300
sites make Easy for people to 
find you, for sure. 

1665
01:27:31,300 --> 01:27:33,700
And keep in touch, man. 
I mean, like I said, I'm always 

1666
01:27:33,700 --> 01:27:34,700
excited to see what you got 
going on. 

1667
01:27:34,700 --> 01:27:36,400
If there's ever anything I can 
do for you brother. 

1668
01:27:36,500 --> 01:27:37,600
Just let me know. 
You get my number. 

1669
01:27:37,900 --> 01:27:40,600
Yeah, of course, dude. 
No, I appreciate you having me 

1670
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,100
on. 
So we'll touch base. 

1671
01:27:42,100 --> 01:27:44,100
Will do another one. 
Sometime sounds great man. 

1672
01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:44,600
Take care of brother.