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Well, hello, ladies and gents 
Roberts. 

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Thanks kiddo, Savage.com. 
And today I have special, guest 

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Karin, Martel on the line, and 
we dive into all things 

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hormones, more so female 
hormones. 

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We also touched on some male 
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about testosterone, estrogen 
free testosterone, progesterone.

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Estradiol, we talked about 
phytoestrogen, xenoestrogens, 

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all kinds of hormones. 
So this would be an incredibly 

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insightful podcast for anybody 
that is going through 

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perimenopause, anybody, you 
know, premenopause anybody that 

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It's not consuming adequate 
calories, all kinds of 

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information here. 
If you have an irregular cycle 

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this would be insightful as 
well. 

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Learn to ton thoroughly enjoyed 
the conversation. 

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I've got no doubt that you will 
as well. 

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So without further Ado, sit 
back, take some notes and dive 

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into the podcast with Karen. 
Here. 

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And we are laughs. 
How are you? 

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I'm doing great Rob. 
How about you? 

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I'm doing. 
Wonderful myself. 

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You are known as the hormone, a 
guru. 

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Do you ever get tired of talking
about hormones? 

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I don't think it's crazy. 
I'm super, super passionate 

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about it. 
I'm a junkie, like, I listen to 

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as much hormone stuff and read 
about it as much as I possibly 

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can get my hands on because it's
actually you can't for the 

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person a person like me that's 
not, you know, an 

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endocrinologist that went to 
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you if you didn't go down that 
road you really it's very hard 

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to find the proper training in 
it and even the endocrinologist 

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to be honest aren't trained. 
The way I've tried, I've been 

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trained like I have a different 
approach completely and I get 

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very frustrating than record. 
Just how they treat hormone 

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stuff in both male and female. 
So I've just yeah I'm like don't

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get tired of it. 
It's interesting about like the 

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the train you know, specific 
Ultra Niche, especially doctors 

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that go to school for this and 
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efficacy in going to school for 
getting the the formal education

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around it but in this day and 
age, knowledge is so free 

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flowing. 
So if someone really is truly 

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passionate about any given 
topic, They can save themselves 

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a ton of money and dive into it 
at nauseam and learn everything 

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they want to know. 
However, they're not going to 

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have the acronyms in the back, 
their name to back it up but I 

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mean knowledge itself is so 
free-flowing. 

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I feel like that's, that's a 
good thing. 

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Yeah, in the beginning of my 
career with this, I had this 

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limiting belief that well, who's
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stuff? 
I'm not a doctor. 

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I can't prescribe, but, you 
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And I cannot believe how crazy 
busy I got. 

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And the more I talked about 
hormones, the busier. 

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I got because women 
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that are aging going through 
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happened very early in our 30s 
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There's no information out there
about it that they can get their

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hands on and they think that 
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get the information and the 
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it. 
So has no Tia and puts them on 

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the antidepressant, the sleeping
medication, the cholesterol 

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medication in the list, goes on.
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much I get for clientele and 
just how it's just telling me 

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that they are not getting this 
information and I'm just so 

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happy that I get to bring it to 
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Yeah. 
I feel like when you don't have 

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a formal education to like a 
medical sense so to speak it all

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stems. 
On to you know what what is your

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track record? 
Like if you have people, then 

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are continually seeing progress 
in working with you and they 

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bring a word of mouth, you know,
that's positive towards you. 

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It's like that. 
That's kind of how you can have 

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a litmus test. 
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the formal education background.
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know what they're talking about.
I feel like that carries so much

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more weight in my opinion, than 
any acronym on the back, your 

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name, like what can you do for 
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And is that thing positive, 
that's what it all boils down to

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Two. 
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Completely. 
So let's dive into hormones. 

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So let's just start with female 
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to that better than I can for 
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So I'd love to kind of just pull
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into that because that I feel 
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space. 
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demographic, it's probably 
majority middle-aged women that 

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are going through perimenopause 
having some hormonal 

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dysregulation and they're 
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lifestyle to improve upon that 
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overall well-being standpoint. 
So what are some things that 

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you're noticing there? 
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just say, you know, just my own 
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many women that can relate to 
this, which was that when I was 

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in my early 30s like 33 I 
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of weight for no reason and I 
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symptoms. 
Like severe insomnia, really bad

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PMS, depression, food, 
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and I was I was a wreck. 
I was having terrible menstrual 

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migraines, it would last for 10 
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within months. 
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weight on and I was in, you 
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I went and searched for the 
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came across my naturopath who I 
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losing the weight, no matter how
hard I was working out or what 

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diet I tried and I said can you 
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Because no, No doctor would have
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hormones and I go in, I got my 
saliva test done and sure 

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enough. 
I had a ton of hormone 

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dysfunction, and that was the 
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was leaving his office that day,
I said, well, what diet do I do?

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And he said, actually, this is 
so this is, you know? 

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Well, I'm 45 now. 
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no one had heard of Quito then, 
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just at this anti-aging 
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Diet called a ketogenic diet. 
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pharmacy, lots of Quito strips 
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then went home and started 
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started with Mark systems Primal
blueprint, which is Paleo, but I

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went into that and it kind of 
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was interesting because I felt 
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And it really did so many 
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I didn't lose a pound. 
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though I felt so much better. 
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my diet for life and so as the 
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hormones and eventually the 
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realized, you know what, there's
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are doing everything right 
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eating diet, whatever it is 
vegan, keto, paleo, and they're 

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exercising, and yet, they're not
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like, I have to I've into this 
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know, then I spent the next 
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it becoming a hormone specialist
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and couple years back. 
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ago, I totally jumped on that 
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super big out there. 
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I came across on the ketogenic 
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really well at first. 
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portion of them that the results
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Opt, or they never got the 
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they're going, why can't I 
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And yet I haven't lost a pound 
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okay, something's something's up
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This is eventually that the 
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You know they might have Great 
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months and then suddenly it 
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was hearing over and over again.
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beginning but I haven't lost a 
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whatever it might be and this 
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again. 
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hormonal, it's got to be and so 
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research and started realizing, 
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There's We Heart were in an 
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thyroid issues, you know 
estrogen dominance from are all 

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the chemicals in our environment
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we need the keto for a period of
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but then we have to be very 
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have to start addressing the 
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and this goes for men and women 
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being told which is as you age. 
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fertility, time, changing your 
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long as a healthy, eating your 
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the weight, the hormones will 
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everything's great. 
But as you age, you can't diet 

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your way out of missing 
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So women go through it faster 
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Use ovarian function, which 
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correct hormones and those 
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with whether or not you can lose
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So if you want to jump in there,
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All right, so so that said 
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specific kind of one have a 
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which is that there is a massive
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in the fitness realm and weight 
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like the carbohydrate insulin 
model of hormones causing weight

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gain or lack of weight loss 
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energy balance approach. 
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that's mostly focus on the 
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have anything to kind of 
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too? 
Before we dive into, like the 

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estrogen hormones, think that 
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Like whether or not like we have
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to lose the weight like if 
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for hormones? 
Is that what you're saying? 

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Yeah, like there's a, you know, 
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within the low-carb Community 
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reason, people have a hard time 
losing weight is because they 

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are insulin resistant. 
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saying it's mostly a question of
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they're simply consuming too 
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energy. 
Cited as opposed to hormonal 

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related. 
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a whole nother conversation but 
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calories out is true to an 
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a caloric deficit in order to 
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we have built-in mechanisms that
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you know you go to low carb for 
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going, keto, your appetite gets 
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And then what else women start 
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To eat one to two meals, a day 
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Well, our bodies on the inside 
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procreate. 
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You guys are meant to spread the
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We are meant to carry the 
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That is it. 
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know any different. 
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system constantly for long 
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isn't enough food around because
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you're Too. 
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Your body starts to go. 
Okay we're in Winter, we're 

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fasting here. 
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around, not a good time to get 
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So let's down regulate, certain 
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and I've come across a ton of 
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Go missing from going carnivore 
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not everybody. 
I don't want to put everybody 

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into the same crew group because
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SRI years on it, but some don't,
and then the body down regulates

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metabolism. 
So, that, that, that's where the

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calories in calories out gets 
messed up because it's like, you

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just have to keep lowering your 
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That's inside the body with your

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metabolism, you have to eat less
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on and on about that like well, 
the way were built. 

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I feel like it's weird everybody

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wants to make it mutually 
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of, adopted more of a, it all 
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just going to feel and perform 
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well focus on all of it. 
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Yeah, and I'm in the camp of 
Lake. 

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Let's prepare your body for 
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Like let's get it to where it 
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sometimes that means you need to
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your insulin resistant because 
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do that. 
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in adrenal problem, then you 
don't want to be going super low

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carb fasting because it's too 
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and it will down regulate the 
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Yeah, totally. 
All right, so let's dive into 

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your approach and proguard it 
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trajectory we're headed down 
there so dive into what, what 

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your methods are. 
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blueprint for how to hell for, 
how does a woman lose weight? 

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away with You know, starting 
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can you know, going Quito is 
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I'm very Primal based because I 
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you know some people have to do 
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diet as the foundation, you can 
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then you can start taking. 
Certain supplements that will 

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help to regulate your cycle. 
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stress happening which will 
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estrogen, compared to the 
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And when it's like that, there's
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To rebalance, it supplement, 
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changes, you know, G stress, 
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I'm not even going to go down 
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listeners. 
Know, we need to sleep. 

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We need to, you know, not stress
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things, but we need to clean up 
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to both men and women. 
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ladies, we're seeing an epidemic
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As Well, and you see that with, 
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beer is very estrogenic. 
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you have in your house. 
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or, you know, with some sort of 
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whether it's your face or your 
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you what's called a xenoestrogen
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the xenoestrogen over your own 
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Need some estrogen to. 
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So hormone receptors is what's I
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there's the estrogen. 
I'm gonna, you know, same with 

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like insulin, right? 
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key thing so that it comes in 
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the cell can use it as a 
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xenoestrogens over your own 
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your actual estrogen is fine, 
it's that At the xenoestrogens 

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have taken over. 
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everybody do is you have to 
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We, you can't meet, get rid of 
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that you can do in your own 
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And that's, you know, grass-fed 
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pesticides and the hormones that
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stuff, and all those chicken. 
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conventional meat is all these 
fake hormones coming into your 

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body. 
Water bottles. 

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No? 
Really big culprit. 

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There's so much like, have you 
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There's this one guy that wrote 
this book called Astro 

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generation, and she's just yeah,
them on the, she had a - yeah. 

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He's a good friend of mine. 
Took him hunting this past year.

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Oh, really great guy. 
He is, I'd love that book 

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because it just shows. 
Oh my gosh. 

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We are being saturated by these 
Dino estrogens and they're 

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really, really messing with our 
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So clean up the environment, you
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different herbalist elements 
like stuff to support your 

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adrenal system stuff to help, 
clear out that estrogen. 

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So you can take things like, Dee
Endo, methane, calcium degruy. 

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Create those were really down 
regulate your estrogen and get 

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it out of your body so that you 
don't you aren't so estrogen 

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dominant. 
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like I said before it's you 
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So when we get to this age and 
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effects of perimenopause and 
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30s, they don't, they're not 
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perimenopause like we associate 
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And so in your late 30s, you're 
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Own that happens first and it 

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drops by about 75 percent in 
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early 40s. 
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this estrogen dominance 
symptoms, where women will start

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to bleed heavier, they start to 
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They start to get anxiety 
insomnia because progesterone is

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are calming hormone. 
It is needed for sleep, it 

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reacts on What's called the Gaba
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to induce Sleep, you've all 
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supplement. 
It's a neurotransmitter and Gaba

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body down. 
So women will say, I've just 

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become so anxious and I don't 
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I can't sleep anymore. 
I just feel super wired. 

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This is because the progesterone
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take wonderful herbes, like, Tex
that will help out to your own 

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body's production of 
progesterone, but as you age and

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you've got the ovarian failure 
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It's just a matter than of 
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testosterone happened a little 
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And to the, the estrogen is when
it goes missing, which is funny 

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because there's this, like, most
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bad because of everything. 
Just talked about, like it's a 

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sturgeon dominance is everywhere
and we're being bombarded by, we

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don't want estrogen. 
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estrogen makes you insulin 
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And so in the first half of your
cycle estrogens, the highest and

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that makes you feel sexy. 
It makes you want to go out 

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there and get some kids and 
people women don't realize that 

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they think it's that to stop. 
Shroom it testosterone, 

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certainly helps, because 
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highest in the first half of the
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you're female listeners hear me 
say this like really just think 

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about when you feel best in your
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When you find its easiest to 
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fast, it's at the beginning of 
the month because our appetite 

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goes down because of the 
estrogen makes you more insulin 

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sensitive. 
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second half of the cycle, that's
when progesterone is supposed to

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kick in and then that supposed 
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little bit. 
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fact that estrogens now lower 
and we're being more insulin 

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resistant, but the metabolism 
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And at that time, I say that is 
when you need to start eating a 

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little bit of carbs in order to 
help your body through that last

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two weeks of the cycle. 
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carbohydrates at the second half
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serotonin drops and we can make 
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So eating a little bit of thats 
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two women. 
Like that's where you like save 

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it for that. 
You know, if you can if you can,

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if you find that that it's 
easier to go low-carb fasting in

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the first half of the month and 
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month, that's when you do more 
of your carb up days, where you 

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will have, you know, some sweet 
potato fries. 

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I always Stay within the Primal 
sphere, but that's when you want

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to listen to those Cravings 
because it's, they're there for 

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a purpose and you're telling 
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We, you know, we're still 
fertile and we're not, we're not

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starving and you give it a 
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And because the metabolism is in
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counter balances itself, weight 
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And that could be true even 
with, you know, just simply 

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increasing the like, the leafy 
greens and getting more fibers 

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carbohydrates from veggies in. 
And as well correct. 

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Correct. 
Yep, exactly. 

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You know or low glycemic fruits 
is, you know, I always recommend

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that like that's when you would 
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maybe not going to such a 
caloric deficit during that time

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of the month. 
And so that you just make sure 

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that you're eating more to 
satisfy those that increase of 

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hunger that happens in women at 
that time. 

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So, when we start to lose the 
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This is the main reason. 
Why women gain weight in 

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perimenopause? 
And they don't, they don't know 

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this, they think estrogens bad, 
estrogen is needed to be insulin

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sensitive. 
So we see a really big increase 

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in type 2 diabetes. 
When women go into menopause. 

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And this is because, well, one 
of the reasons is because we 

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lose the estrogen and estrogen 
is, I mean, we got, we need the 

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progesterone for the Metabolism 
to go up, but we need the 

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estrogen to be more insulin 
sensitive and also to be more 

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lectin sensitive. 
So, we also see an increase in 

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leptin resistance as women, go 
through menopause. 

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And so, your body is smart. 
It it needs estrogen, it knows 

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how important it is. 
So when you start, when the 

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ovary start shutting down, the 
body kicks in. 

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And says, we need to get 
estrogen from somewhere and so, 

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where does it get it from? 
Besides the ovaries, your fat 

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cells, so your body will 
actually put on fat so that it 

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can get estrogen. 
And, unfortunately, it's not the

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good estrogen. 
It's the more toxic estrogen 

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called Esther own and a strong 
when it goes up, you will gain 

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more weight. 
So it's this vicious cycle that 

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the more weight you gain, but 
then your body is trying to put 

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this weight on because it needs 
the estrogen and it It's this 

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vicious cycle so women will gain
anywhere from 10 to 30 pounds 

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when they hit perimenopause and 
it's traumatic for them. 

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These are I mean I talked to him
that we're £105 their entire 

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life and then boom. 
They put 20 pounds on in a year 

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and they're going, what just 
happened? 

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And they try and diet their way 
out, they try and go lower carb.

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They try and, you know, just eat
less, you go down to one meal a 

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day and it's like, whoa, whoa, 
whoa, you can't do that. 

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You have to work with those 
hormones. 

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So, I'm a big proponent of 
replacing the hormones, because 

446
00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:25,000
all the research done on 
bioidentical hormone replacement

447
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:32,300
shows that we are safer to have 
our hormones replaced even for 

448
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:36,500
one year in menopause, then not 
replacing them. 

449
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,000
And this is what bioidentical. 
So, there's a big difference 

450
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,400
between synthetic hormone 
replacement and bioidentical. 

451
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,300
And I don't know if you want me 
to get into that raw, but Can't 

452
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:47,500
ya. 
Definitely dive into this. 

453
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:51,200
This is an interesting topic 
because I compete in natural 

454
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,400
bodybuilding. 
So it's pretty that it's super 

455
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,900
strict but there's no HRT of any
form or fashion for male or 

456
00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:02,200
female, so it's crazy rigid in 
the, the world of natural 

457
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,600
bodybuilding. 
But from just a sheer lifestyle 

458
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,200
standpoint. 
I feel like there's definitely 

459
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,600
people out there that could 
absolutely benefit from, you 

460
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,400
know, proper hormone balance. 
So yet by all means dive into 

461
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,200
that little bit. 
Mmm. 

462
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:17,900
And do you still think, even 
though it's natural 

463
00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:22,100
bodybuilding, that people really
do not use steroids. 

464
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:25,200
I mean, there's definitely 
people that, you know, line 

465
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,700
break the rules. 
But, you know, it's all about 

466
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:31,800
your integrity and being honest.
I mean, I've never, I've never 

467
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,000
deviated from with the guideline
show so hopefully the people I'm

468
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,700
up on stage with are also 
honest. 

469
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:44,000
Yes, yes, I agree. 
So back in to like around 2002 

470
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,300
there was a the biggest study. 
Was ever done on hormone 

471
00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:51,400
replacement therapy estrogen in 
and of itself. 

472
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,500
As a hormone replacement was the
number one prescribed medication

473
00:27:56,500 --> 00:28:01,700
in North America, prior to this 
study and that the prescription 

474
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:05,300
was for something called 
Premarin and Premarin comes from

475
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:10,900
pregnant, horses urine, and it 
was taken via oral. 

476
00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,900
So you'd have to take this pill 
and it will help with all these 

477
00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:16,800
menopausal symptoms. 
And Women loved it. 

478
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,300
And it was like I said that most
prescribed medication the, they 

479
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:23,400
decided they were going to run 
this in massive study and they 

480
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,700
had like nine hundred thousand 
people women and they put them 

481
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:32,300
all in on different methods. 
So one of one group was on 

482
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:36,800
Premarin only because they 
didn't have a uterus, then they 

483
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,800
had a group with none and then 
they had a group that took fake 

484
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,200
progesterone which is called 
progestin with the Premarin. 

485
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:49,800
So they called Provera. 
Well, within a couple of years, 

486
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:55,600
they had an uptick of breast 
cancer, uterine cancer, and 

487
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,800
strokes the breast cancer. 
Increased actually like compared

488
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,700
to the placebo group by eight 
people. 

489
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:07,100
It had an increase of eight more
people than the placebo group 

490
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:11,200
that had breast cancer. 
So, not much, but it was there, 

491
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,100
and it freaked everybody out and
they actually stopped the study 

492
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:19,200
early because Cuz they're like, 
oh no, this is not good man, are

493
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,300
dying and so they pulled the 
study on that group sent the 

494
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:27,800
message out to the world. 
And to the doctors hormone 

495
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,800
replacement is bad. 
Take your women off of it. 

496
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:35,300
It causes breast cancer, they 
never specified that. 

497
00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:39,200
It was that group. 
That was having the bad effects,

498
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:46,200
the Premarin group had a 
reduction of breast cancer by B 

499
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,000
%. 
So that was the oral estrogen 

500
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:54,600
reduced breast cancer. 
And I mean, you even, I don't 

501
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,100
know. 
Yeah. 

502
00:29:55,100 --> 00:29:57,200
If you've got a lot of female 
clients or not Robert. 

503
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,500
If you even say the word 
estrogen, replace it with mean, 

504
00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:02,500
like, grab their boobs are like,
well, does that give you breast 

505
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:06,100
cancer? 
It's in, and we've just have 

506
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:11,400
this, massive fear, that hormone
replacement is going to cause 

507
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:17,700
breast cancer and the reality 
is, if you have cancer cells in 

508
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:23,500
your breast tissue, estrogen can
go there and it is a growth 

509
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:27,600
hormone and it can make those 
cells grow. 

510
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:36,400
But we see breast cancer mostly 
in women that are in menopause 

511
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:41,600
that no longer have estrogen. 
We don't see it much in women 

512
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,900
that are in their 20s when 
they're has sturgeons the 

513
00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:48,100
highest. 
No, this is like it would just 

514
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:53,300
from that day forward, it hasn't
had such a bad rap and that was 

515
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:57,000
all oral. 
You know horses urine and 

516
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:02,200
synthetic progestin and nothing 
was done in that study, with 

517
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,500
bioidentical hormone. 
So bioidentical hormones, come 

518
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:10,200
from vegetables, usually yams 
and soy, and things like that, 

519
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,700
and they make it so that it's 
exactly the same as our bodies. 

520
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,000
These hormones. 
So there's no difference. 

521
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,500
So if you look at the makeup of 
Premarin versus our makeup of 

522
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:28,000
estradiol, it's different. 
It doesn't look the same but 

523
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,100
bioidentical does. 
So your body doesn't know that 

524
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:33,700
it's anything different than 
what you are producing. 

525
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:39,100
So women were we were meant to, 
you know, once you had your 

526
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:43,200
babies and you were no longer 
for tile, back in the day, we 

527
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,500
die. 
I mean our average lifespan was 

528
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:50,200
We were in our forties. 
Now, we're living longer, and 

529
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,000
we're seeing that women are 
going through this phase of 

530
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,300
their life for anywhere, between
five to ten years. 

531
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,700
And the symptoms of it aren't 
just weight gain. 

532
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:07,000
Women are losing their mind. 
Literally, I had a woman, tell 

533
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,200
me the other day, she was 
committed suicide because she 

534
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,500
had a full hysterectomy and was 
sent into menopause. 

535
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:15,100
It's like within 24 hours, 
almost killed herself. 

536
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,700
I just listen to another podcast
with a doctor who said she 

537
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:23,100
almost committed. 
She tried to commit suicide 

538
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,500
because she was going into 
menopause and was so depressed. 

539
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:33,300
So a sturgeon has a massive 
impact on your brain and it 

540
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:37,200
actually shows that it can help 
prevent Alzheimer's and 

541
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,300
Dementia. 
So it also testosterone and 

542
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:46,100
estrogen can also help prevent 
Heart attack and stroke. 

543
00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:50,200
And especially when you're 
taking transdermal bioidentical 

544
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,600
hormones, not world. 
Even though the primary showed 

545
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,500
to help with breast cancer. 
When you take a hormone orally 

546
00:32:56,500 --> 00:33:00,000
like estrogen, it does increase 
your risk of heart attack and 

547
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,300
stroke but if you take it 
through the skin, there is no 

548
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:07,600
increased risk of heart attack 
and stroke and it the research 

549
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:15,100
shows that if you are even like 
I said, for one year, On hormone

550
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:20,600
replacement in menopause, it 
will actually lessen Your Chance

551
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,400
by 33 percent of all cause 
mortality. 

552
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:28,200
That's pretty big. 
Like, we're all about biohacking

553
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,800
and, you know, living longer and
looking better. 

554
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,700
And well, I'll tell you what, 
hormones are the Fountain of 

555
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:38,700
Youth and if you don't have them
you will age very quickly. 

556
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:42,500
So, you know, speaking to your 
doctor or finding somebody that 

557
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:46,900
understands by Oh, I'd safe, 
bioidentical hormone replacement

558
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,100
and finding what's going to work
for you. 

559
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:53,000
And this goes for men and women,
Men start to look, not every 

560
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,900
man, but many men will start to 
lose their testosterone as they 

561
00:33:55,900 --> 00:34:02,100
age and they can also take 
transdermal bioidentical 

562
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:06,200
testosterone and if you'd 
actually get a good doctor 

563
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:10,199
they'll match you and your 
partner hormone replacement. 

564
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,800
And this is really cool because 
man when they start Use it. 

565
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,600
Let's say your estrogen or 
testosterone goes down. 

566
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,600
Rob will say suddenly you drop 
you got no sex drive anymore. 

567
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,600
You're like, give me the to give
me the testosterone back and 

568
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,699
what will happen is, you could 
go to your doctor, they give you

569
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:30,300
this prescription for it. 
Well, they usually do shots. 

570
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:35,400
So they give you this big shot 
of testosterone and men will 

571
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,600
feel amazing. 
They just are like okay I got my

572
00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:41,199
groove back. 
I feel on top of the world, like

573
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,699
almost too good and it lasts for
about A month. 

574
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,100
And then, guess what happens? 
The receptors for testosterone 

575
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,000
start to go Kev. 
This is too much and they become

576
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,699
saturated, and actually start to
down regulate so you don't get 

577
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:58,100
the effects that you did in the 
beginning. 

578
00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:03,700
So with both men and women, you 
can actually cycle these 

579
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,800
bioidentical hormones to match 
each other. 

580
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,800
So if you're a g, if you're in 
your 50s and so is your wife, 

581
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:14,000
you can get a doctor to match 
it. 

582
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:16,400
The cream. 
So that you have, you know, 

583
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,600
small amounts in the beginning 
of the month, and then you'll 

584
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,300
have an increase and then I'll 
go back down and then go back 

585
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:23,700
up. 
So you're actually doing it, 

586
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:26,300
like, on a wave. 
So that there's some days that 

587
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:29,100
you'll take less, and there's 
some days that you'll take more,

588
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:32,700
and you'll match it with your 
partner, so that you both have a

589
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:37,300
peak of both testosterone at the
same time and for women 

590
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:39,500
estrogen. 
We both need a little estrogen 

591
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:42,700
and testosterone for sex drive. 
So we'll both need those to come

592
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:44,600
on. 
And of course, Damn it, it's way

593
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,600
more than just sex but, you 
know, I'm good. 

594
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:50,900
It does tend to be a kind of 
primary focus, who we don't just

595
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:54,900
toss tirone his libido, right? 
So, but there's so many more 

596
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:59,200
things, I mean, you know, rob, 
you need it to make Muscle same 

597
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,800
with women. 
We need it to maintain bone 

598
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,700
health, heart, health, brain 
health. 

599
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,200
There's we need it, it is so, so
important. 

600
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,600
In both of us, testosterone 
makes us want to go out there 

601
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,600
and get the sacks estrogen for 
both of us, makes us I want to 

602
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,500
actually go through with the act
of so it's needed for so many 

603
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:21,200
different things. 
Can you just can't? 

604
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,100
There's no supplements to take 
that? 

605
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,200
Is going to do that for you? 
Yeah, yeah. 

606
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:30,900
So with this like what would be 
like a some signs for someone 

607
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:33,200
that needs to start moving in 
that direction? 

608
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,500
Like just the sudden rapid 
weight gain and the loss of 

609
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:39,500
libido and energy is that kind 
of like telltale signs that 

610
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:42,500
people need to find a doctor 
that is well-versed in this and 

611
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:46,700
start talking about it? 
Yeah, that's definitely the top 

612
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:51,600
things that I hear is insomnia, 
weight, gain and lack of libido.

613
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:54,700
And then we hear anxiety 
depression. 

614
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:58,900
The loss of estrogen will make 
women more depressed loss of 

615
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,800
progesterone will make them more
anxiety. 

616
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:04,000
Men will feel very flat without 
their testosterone. 

617
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,500
Their libido will go down. 
They'll start gaining weight in 

618
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:09,100
their belly become more insulin 
resistant. 

619
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:11,700
So, and then same with women, 
they'll become more insulin 

620
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:14,000
resistant as well. 
They can't sleep. 

621
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:18,200
They can, they can get to the 
point that they're suicidal 

622
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:20,900
women. 
This is a really big one and 

623
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:24,800
that's not talked about enough 
is without estrogen a woman's 

624
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,600
vagina starts to atrophy now and
it dries up some women feel say 

625
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,500
that it feels like when they're 
having sex. 

626
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:36,500
It feels like it's glass going 
in, not pleasant. 

627
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:38,600
But it'll Bleed. 
It Hurts. 

628
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:42,300
It's and it makes it so that 
they don't ever want to have 

629
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:43,700
sex. 
And I have clients, tell me. 

630
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:44,700
Oh, I just Had a woman 
yesterday. 

631
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:47,200
She's like, I really like my 
husband. 

632
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,500
I would like to keep him but I 
cannot have sex right now, and 

633
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:54,300
it's like, okay, well let's get 
on this now. 

634
00:37:54,500 --> 00:38:00,200
So age-wise you can, you know, 
go okay on, you know, I'm in my 

635
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,100
late 30s, I'm suddenly gaining 
weight for no, excuse no reason,

636
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:07,300
I'm not feeling as well, 
bleeding heavier, these are all 

637
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:10,700
signs that. 
It's starting and I'm a big 

638
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:14,700
believer, you should test 
because so many of these Mon 

639
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:17,400
overlap each other as far as 
symptoms, go when they're 

640
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,200
deficient or too high, too low. 
And you don't want to be messing

641
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,100
with bioidentical hormones, if 
you know, because I talk to 

642
00:38:26,107 --> 00:38:27,700
people all the time, they're 
like, oh yeah, I just start 

643
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:30,700
taking DHEA because it's 
supposed to be so good for 

644
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:32,700
weight loss. 
And I'm like, how much are you 

645
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:34,500
taking oath? 
Taking 50 milligrams. 

646
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:37,400
I'm like, oh my God, like this 
terrible. 

647
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,200
You should not be taking 50 
milligrams of THC. 

648
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:45,100
A is a woman nor is a man. 
So it's like you Want to know 

649
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:48,900
what your hormones are doing. 
So get them properly tested. 

650
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:52,700
If you suspect that this is 
happening to you both men and 

651
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:55,900
women, it's really, really 
important to test and not guess.

652
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:57,200
Yeah. 
Feel like vent. 

653
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,200
I feel like so many know what 
it's like for females, but for 

654
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,700
the guys, I mean like the 
hormone replacement therapy that

655
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:04,900
I was like clinics popping up 
everywhere. 

656
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:08,600
Now, it seems and they're really
heavily advertised towards guys.

657
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,800
And the next thing, you know, 
guys are going in there, it 

658
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,100
seems very easy to fill a script
there and it It just feels good.

659
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:17,900
I mean, they see all the games 
in the gym, everything's like, 

660
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:21,100
you know, running on cloud nine 
and before you know, it, they're

661
00:39:21,100 --> 00:39:23,900
they're taking super 
physiological levels of animals 

662
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:26,600
will be taken care of steroids 
because they basically are and 

663
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,100
it seems like there's no thought
towards, you know, cycling off 

664
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:33,500
of that testing regularly and 
actually you know, doing doing 

665
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:36,500
all of this with longevity in 
mind. 

666
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:39,200
So that's that's an unfortunate 
reality that I've seen. 

667
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,000
I'm assuming it's probably same 
for a lot of females as well, 

668
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,400
100%. 
Don't, you know, and 

669
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,900
testosterone like my husband was
like, should I be taking 

670
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:52,600
testosterone, so so amazing? 
I'm like, okay. 

671
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:53,900
Well, let's test your 
testosterone. 

672
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:55,400
Let's see where it's at. 
He had great loves will 

673
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,400
testosterone and he's like, 
should I still take some? 

674
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,400
I'm like, no, I'm like you 
started taking it. 

675
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,700
It's going to down regulate your
own production and so then 

676
00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:06,800
you're on it, probably forever. 
And that's what you and you 

677
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,100
don't want that if you don't 
have to have that, right? 

678
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:13,000
So you have to be very, very 
careful with that. 

679
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,100
There's certain hormones. 
You can take and they don't 

680
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:19,400
down-regulate your own 
production DHEA, won't 

681
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,800
progesterone. 
Won't estrogen kind of I've seen

682
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,000
mixed review, mixed stuff about 
estrogen. 

683
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,000
But for so, for some, they can 
just need this little bit that 

684
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,900
they just top up their own 
production and it's great. 

685
00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:34,700
But then if it's testosterone, 
if it's thyroid, if it's 

686
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:38,700
cortisol, you actually 
eventually need to almost 

687
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:41,700
completely replace your own 
production because once you 

688
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:44,600
start taking it it will 
down-regulate Your own so you 

689
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,000
have to replace it in 
physiologic amounts. 

690
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:50,600
Yeah. 
Yeah, it's unfortunate, maybe 

691
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,200
look a lot of the elite Level 
Pro bodybuilders that took a 

692
00:40:54,207 --> 00:40:57,800
bunch of testosterone to be 
competitive at the, you know, 

693
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,600
world-class level there on that 
stuff for life. 

694
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,700
Like there is no cycling off of 
it at this point. 

695
00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:07,800
No, no, exactly. 
There's some hormone doctors is 

696
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,200
the one down in the states. 
That I think it's just doing 

697
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,200
some fascinating work around 
testosterone replacement in men 

698
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,400
and he actually, HCG with it, 
which I'm sure you've heard of 

699
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,000
HCG in the bodybuilding world to
a lot of body builders when they

700
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,200
come off of their steroids, they
take HCG to help build up their 

701
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,200
own production of testosterone 
again. 

702
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,000
So this guy's using a 
combination of both testosterone

703
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,000
therapy and HCG and is getting 
like really incredible results 

704
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,100
with it for guys that have low 
testosterone. 

705
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,200
It's so crazy the different 
factors that can really, really 

706
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:49,100
acutely down-regulate 
testosterone specifically. 

707
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:53,000
I mean, in in competition, 
preps, for instance, just 

708
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,700
chronically under eating your 
calories. 

709
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:59,300
I mean, it's not uncommon to see
males, literally cut their, 

710
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,100
their testosterone numbers in 
half towards the end of a 

711
00:42:02,107 --> 00:42:05,000
competition prep by simply being
a caloric deficit. 

712
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,800
I see a lot of females do the 
same thing with their estrogen 

713
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,200
and progesterone levels, and I 
feel like a lot of people live 

714
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,600
in this chronically, underfed 
state. 

715
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:16,700
And I would argue that, I mean, 
that more. 

716
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:20,100
So I mean, people can notice an 
acute regulating, you know, 

717
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,900
Phenomenon with introducing some
carbohydrates in their cycle, 

718
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,600
but I feel like honestly, it's 
more often than not a result of 

719
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,100
just simply undereating. 
I mean, I've had female clients 

720
00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:32,800
that will be chronically, 
underfed and then they'll simply

721
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,500
increase their calories, and 
everything returns to normal, I 

722
00:42:35,508 --> 00:42:38,000
feel like, once you do that, 
that should be the first and 

723
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,800
foremost Baseline for anybody be
able to fuel the body properly. 

724
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,300
So that everything has the 
opportunity to regulate 

725
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:47,300
nikolai's. 
I 100% agree. 

726
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:52,100
Yeah, I think a lot of women can
get away with staying in that 

727
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:56,600
low carb world as long as they 
are making sure that throughout 

728
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,700
the week. 
They aren't getting that uptick 

729
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:03,000
of calories, where it's a normal
caloric intake, and it's just 

730
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,300
hard, because I find, it's 
really hard for women to eat 

731
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:12,700
enough calories to signal to the
system that everything's okay. 

732
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,200
When While sticking to a 
carnivore or ketogenic diet 

733
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,100
because it's like your body just
goes, okay? 

734
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:23,700
I've had enough protein, I can't
possibly eat more what you know,

735
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:27,100
so they can find that hard. 
Yeah, so I mean, women at feel, 

736
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:31,300
I feel bad because women are, 
you know, just constantly fed 

737
00:43:31,300 --> 00:43:33,700
The Narrative of you got to be 
super skinny. 

738
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:36,600
Like that's how like that's what
the media portrays. 

739
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,700
And so to go into it with like 
this, you know, building phase 

740
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:43,400
mentality of hey I need to put 
on some weight. 

741
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,200
I need to build Add some muscle,
I need to eat more food. 

742
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,800
Like that is not typically in 
most females minds, but also 

743
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,800
just as it is very beneficial 
for males through that. 

744
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,300
It's also incredibly beneficial 
for females to do that from a 

745
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:56,800
hormonal and metabolic 
standpoint. 

746
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,400
It's just not talked about 
enough. 

747
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,000
Unfortunately exactly. 
Yeah. 

748
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,200
So I actually ended up I've got 
a big membership group with 

749
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,600
women that I'm helping with 
perimenopause and menopause and 

750
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,700
I Supply them with a meal plan 
every week and the meal plan is 

751
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:17,800
a calorie 3 carb cycling plan, 
so it's not just carb cycle. 

752
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,400
It's calorie cycle. 
So there's days where the 

753
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,400
calories really dropping your 
maybe eating two meals a day, 

754
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,700
maybe one meal a day, but then 
the next day, you're eating 

755
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:30,200
sufficient amounts of calories, 
whether it's still in the keto, 

756
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,600
you know, staying in ketosis, 
and then there's the day that, 

757
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,900
you know, I'll put in the fruits
and the tubers and things like 

758
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:38,800
that to bring up. 
The carb is a little bit, you 

759
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,400
know, never over 100. 
But that just, I was like, I 

760
00:44:43,408 --> 00:44:47,700
have to To find something that's
going to work for the masses for

761
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:52,100
women and that seemed to be 
easiest for them to stick to 

762
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:55,600
because it was gave them some 
variation it gave them that like

763
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:59,100
okay on the weekends I am going 
to eat a little bit more and you

764
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:02,200
know maybe go out and treat 
myself and then they get back to

765
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,000
it in the weight loss has been 
incredible doing it that way and

766
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,500
I don't see them stall as much 
when they're doing the cycle. 

767
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,800
And that's really what we have 
to do because your body smart it

768
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,400
Want to lose weight. 
So you have to constantly be 

769
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,200
tricky that it seemed with 
working out. 

770
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,600
They always say don't do the 
same workout every day because 

771
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,400
your body adjust to it right? 
You got to shock the system. 

772
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:27,900
I don't is there truth to that? 
Yeah, I mean you got to be able 

773
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:31,400
to have ample time for that that
body part that you train to 

774
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,700
recover and then ideally, next 
time you train it Implement some

775
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:37,600
form of progressive overload. 
So that you're stimulating it in

776
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,600
an additional manner than what 
you did previously. 

777
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,600
So, yeah, there's definitely two
that. 

778
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:45,400
Yeah, so I do that. 
With my food plans. 

779
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,800
So the all even have like weight
loss weeks where we go into a 

780
00:45:48,900 --> 00:45:53,100
severe caloric deficit for a 
week and then we bring some 

781
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:56,200
calories back in and we don't go
into a caloric deficit the next 

782
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,600
week but we eat just a normal 
amount of calories. 

783
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,300
We're not saying like go out and
binge on the cakes and the 

784
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:06,300
fast-food I still you know, 80% 
your diet should be very clean 

785
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:12,800
and in that Primal regime 
because that is what works fast.

786
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,800
Yeah. 
I feel like No sustainability is

787
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,400
first and foremost key. 
I mean, people have to figure 

788
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,100
out that's going to be different
for every like not everyone's 

789
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:23,000
going to be Quito corner of or 
like, some people going to have 

790
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,500
more of a mixed diet if that's 
more sustainable for them. 

791
00:46:26,100 --> 00:46:30,700
But I think anybody is going to 
benefit from having, you know, 

792
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,800
more of their time spent at a 
healthy maintenance or Surplus 

793
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,400
from a hormonal and metabolic 
standpoint. 

794
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,700
Then more of their time, spent 
in a extreme caloric deficit for

795
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:42,100
sure. 
What do you do? 

796
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:46,300
So, I always advocate for, you 
know, going cycling through 

797
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:49,200
phases, basically. 
So I'll have a building phase in

798
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,700
which, my priority is building, 
more lean tissue and then I'll 

799
00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:54,200
do them. 
It takes a long time to build 

800
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,700
muscles, so I'll be in a 
building phase at a maintenance 

801
00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:00,700
and a slight Surplus for, you 
know, two or three years at a 

802
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:04,200
time before I transition back 
into a deficit and then I'll do 

803
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:07,900
a very well, you know, planned 
out competition prep in which 

804
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:10,200
I'll be in a deficit for about 
six months. 

805
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:13,600
And get down to an incredibly 
lean body fat in a very slow 

806
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,100
controlled manner so that I hold
onto as much lean mass as 

807
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:18,700
possible. 
And then I'll bring calories 

808
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:21,900
back up, gradually to return to 
a maintenance and then select 

809
00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:23,600
Surplus that. 
I can go back into a building 

810
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,400
phase. 
Wow. 

811
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,000
Yeah, so couple years though 
you're in your building phase 

812
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,700
that's I didn't know would not 
have thought that, so that's 

813
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:33,700
cool. 
Yeah, it's just different, you 

814
00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:37,100
know, for everybody. 
But because muscle takes so long

815
00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:40,600
to build naturally, especially, 
you know, if you're spending The

816
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,100
majority of the year in a 
deficit, you're not going to be 

817
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:46,100
primed for building that muscle.
So spending more time in that 

818
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:48,900
building phase than in the 
cutting phases is important for 

819
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:51,100
me as a bodybuilder to look 
improved. 

820
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:54,600
Every time I step onstage. 
Yeah, I when you're lifting, so 

821
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,000
heavy all the time to, you have 
to, you have to be eating enough

822
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,000
calories, you have to be eating 
enough protein to do that, 

823
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:01,800
right? 
Yeah. 

824
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,800
And when so each each one of you
listeners that you all going to 

825
00:48:06,808 --> 00:48:08,500
have to have something 
different, right? 

826
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:11,600
As far as what you're going to 
need, Depending on where your 

827
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,400
hormones are right. 
If you're a woman and you you 

828
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,900
know, you've got kids, you're 
working every day 925 and you're

829
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:23,100
working out on top of that and 
you test your hormones and 

830
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:26,900
you've got some low cortisol 
problems, you know, going into 

831
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:32,400
that fasting, you know, one meal
a day type thing, low carb, you 

832
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,900
probably won't feel good and 
it's not going to work for 

833
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:38,900
weight loss at that point and 
you'd be better off actually 

834
00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:40,400
eating more of a Paleo based 
diet. 

835
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,900
Diet while the adrenals heal and
you work on your lifestyle. 

836
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:49,700
So there's so many different, 
you know, caveats, when it comes

837
00:48:49,700 --> 00:48:51,900
to this, but it's super 
important. 

838
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:55,300
I think just for everybody to 
know that we're not all going to

839
00:48:55,308 --> 00:48:59,500
need the same thing and it's so 
good, not to be dogmatic about. 

840
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:02,300
Okay, well, I'm gonna but I have
to be like, I had talked to a 

841
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:04,800
girl yesterday who tested her 
thyroid. 

842
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,600
She's 33 years old and her T3 
levels were shot. 

843
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:12,700
And I said, Happened here you 
know I said what you know she's 

844
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:16,000
like wow yeah just started like 
a year ago I started to feel 

845
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,800
really cold and tired all the 
time and I wasn't feeling good. 

846
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,500
And so I'm going through all 
these different thyroid things 

847
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:25,500
with her. 
Like, oh, maybe it's because 

848
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:27,900
you're stressed out or you have 
this for you that and then she 

849
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:32,700
finds she ends up saying to me. 
I've been keto for three years 

850
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:38,600
and I said, oh, that's like, 
that's why your T3 is low. 

851
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:45,300
And she She could not hear me 
say that she was like, oh oh no 

852
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:48,900
I gotta sit like I really like 
just keto made me feel so good I

853
00:49:48,908 --> 00:49:51,500
said but how is it making you 
feel now? 

854
00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:55,700
I said really think about that. 
How is it making you feel now? 

855
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,700
Shes, what you do you think this
is innocent? 

856
00:49:57,700 --> 00:50:00,900
I don't know 100% but there's a 
good chance because there's a 

857
00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:04,100
lot of research that shows it 
will down and regulate your T3. 

858
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:09,300
I said, just start with a little
bit of carbohydrate intake and 

859
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:14,100
see if you start Feel warmer and
she said I did try that and I 

860
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:17,200
did feel warmer. 
So very, very you go. 

861
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:22,800
But she was so holding onto it. 
And I'm just like, we all have 

862
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:29,100
to myself included just because 
something worked for a while, 

863
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:31,200
doesn't mean that it's going to 
continue to work. 

864
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,100
Our bodies are always changing 
were aging, you know, stressful 

865
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:38,300
events happen, chemical exposure
toxins. 

866
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:41,800
Like there's so many stuff 
coming out At us that we just 

867
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,600
have to be willing to go. 
Okay, this isn't working for me 

868
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,200
now. 
Let's change it and let's see 

869
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,500
how it works. 
And oftentimes when you do shift

870
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:54,300
things and you shock the system 
in some way, shape or form, just

871
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:57,700
like when you start an exercise 
different exercise program, same

872
00:50:57,700 --> 00:51:01,500
with the different eating style,
it can really kick up the weight

873
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:04,500
loss or how you're feeling. 
Yeah, totally agree, there. 

874
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:08,200
I mean so many people are just 
associate Quito with a weight 

875
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,400
loss that they go into that. 
Caloric deficit without having 

876
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,400
it period at the reading more. 
I mean, I don't know what her 

877
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:17,700
macros and calories were like 
during that three-year period 

878
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:20,500
but I wouldn't be surprised if 
she was just under eating the 

879
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:22,400
majority of that time and that 
definitely could have done 

880
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,300
regulated things. 
Yeah, I'm sure. 

881
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:28,000
Yeah that's most women are under
eating. 

882
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,600
I'd love to pick your brain with
the last little bit of time. 

883
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,100
We have here on a phytoestrogen 
specifically flax because flax 

884
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:38,800
is always in, you know, it's a 
controversial topic. 

885
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,700
People assume that That it's 
it's a receptor blocking agent 

886
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:45,700
or that it helps upregulate 
estrogen. 

887
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:50,100
So what's your take on Flax? 
Yes I just did a blog post about

888
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:53,700
this. 
Yeah so I used to because I 

889
00:51:53,700 --> 00:52:00,000
talked I interviewed Anthony on 
my podcast years ago and so 

890
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,400
after that because he told me 
flaxseed is the number one, 

891
00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:07,800
phytoestrogen food, so it's got 
the most estrogenic components 

892
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,400
to it out of any food second to 
that as soy. 

893
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,000
So after that I was like no more
flax. 

894
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:17,300
You forget it. 
Well the truth of the matter is 

895
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,900
it's real. 
It does help you it helps with 

896
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:26,600
estrogen dominance because it 
does act in a mild estrogenic 

897
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,000
way on the receptor and so it 
can help with the estrogen 

898
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,600
dominant symptoms. 
It works on what's called that 

899
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:39,800
the betta pathway. 
So there's Alpha like estradiol 

900
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,100
Alpha. 
And there's even a betta. 

901
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:44,000
So there's there's Alpha and 
beta. 

902
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:48,600
Alpha is the more stronger 
estrogen and the bet is the 

903
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,300
softer one that we really want. 
Lots of that one. 

904
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:53,600
We need both but we really like 
the bad. 

905
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:59,200
A phytoestrogens flax, which 
particular works on the better 

906
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:04,000
estrogen receptors. 
So I it's great. 

907
00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:08,600
I think it's so great as well. 
It's extreme its fiber. 

908
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:14,200
And so what It's doing in your 
gut is amazing. 

909
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:18,900
I make bread with it muffins, 
like just with eggs and flax, 

910
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:22,500
that's it, and it's delicious. 
And I just, you know, smear some

911
00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:25,500
butter on. 
It, low carb, high fiber 

912
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:30,900
phytoestrogen and we need the 
fiber to help our gut to break 

913
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:34,500
down and get rid of toxic 
estrogens as well. 

914
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:36,500
So you've got this two-fold 
effect. 

915
00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:39,200
It's not only working on the 
better receptors, the estrogen 

916
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,800
receptors it's Also going to 
help with your gut bacteria is 

917
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,800
going to help with breaking down
the estrogen and getting rid of 

918
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,400
it. 
Once your body has used it and 

919
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,300
that's really key because we all
have these terrible guts these 

920
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:56,300
days and we need a healthy gut 
in order to process and get rid 

921
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:59,100
of the estrogen so we don't 
recirculate it and become 

922
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:02,800
estrogen dominant. 
So I say yay to the flax. 

923
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,400
So just to make sure I'm 
following you. 

924
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,500
If you are estrogen dominant and
you have too much estrogen, 

925
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,200
eating the flax, which has a 
Source of phytoestrogen. 

926
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,600
Basically binds to that receptor
site and blocks, any additional 

927
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,400
estrogen from coming in and 
creating more of a estrogen 

928
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,500
dominant State. 
Correct. 

929
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:24,800
Exactly, yes. 
And then if you're also in 

930
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,400
menopause and you, you're maybe 
not ready or perimenopause then 

931
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,300
you're not ready to go for the 
estrogen replacement yet. 

932
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:35,900
You could use that to supplement
your own levels of estrogen. 

933
00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:41,000
So because it will act in a week
way on the in receptor. 

934
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,000
So if you don't have a lot of 
estrogen, you'll still get the 

935
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,700
benefits of it. 
So it goes both ways. 

936
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:49,000
It's both good for high. 
Estrogen and low estrogen. 

937
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:53,300
Are there any other dietary, you
know, protocols or hack. 

938
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:56,700
So to speak where people that 
are low in estrogen, could 

939
00:54:56,700 --> 00:55:00,200
consume more of like a know, 
like broccoli, for instance, 

940
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,000
cruciferous vegetables, tend to 
be, you know, Town it is helping

941
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,100
to increase estrogen levels. 
They don't help increase it. 

942
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:09,800
They actually help to break it 
down. 

943
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:14,900
They have so far so far of Fame 
in it and so that will help with

944
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:18,400
the clearance of how sturgeon. 
So your body uses it. 

945
00:55:18,500 --> 00:55:21,000
If you have, you're eating a lot
of cruciferous vegetables. 

946
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:26,000
It will actually help to take 
the used estrogens out of the 

947
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,800
system. 
And in, quite high amounts, you 

948
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,500
have to eat them in order to get
that effect but they're still 

949
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:35,000
super goofy once again high in 
fiber grade for the gut. 

950
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,600
So it's going to help the 
hormones, no matter what, but 

951
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,600
it's not going to completely. 
Drain your body of estrogen and 

952
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,500
it's not going to increase your 
estrogen. 

953
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:47,100
They don't work as a strong 
phytoestrogen. 

954
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,400
Soy is the next best 
phytoestrogen, but Soy is also 

955
00:55:51,700 --> 00:55:57,400
highly GMO, and it's one of the 
highest food sensitivities. 

956
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,700
So it's if you can handle it, 
then you want to be going like 

957
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:06,000
organic tofu or tempeh, you're 
not doing the fake meat stuff, 

958
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,400
your tofu care, whatever, that 
is the hotdogs and stuff is so 

959
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,500
nasty soy. 
What is the worst thing ever? 

960
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:16,600
So, do not drink soy milk. 
So it's highly highly processed.

961
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,600
So we're talking, like fermented
good quality soy products, that 

962
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,200
would be good. 
Sunflower seeds is another great

963
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,400
phytoestrogen. 
So some women will start doing 

964
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,100
what's called seed cycling. 
So they take eat certain seeds 

965
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:32,500
in the first half of the month 
to help promote estrogen, which 

966
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:36,300
is the flax in the sunflower, 
and then, or sorry, Sesame, 

967
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,500
Sesame seeds. 
And then the second half, you do

968
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:41,900
sunflower seeds and pumpkin. 
Seeds to help with progesterone 

969
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:46,200
progesterone production and it 
really works especially for the 

970
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,200
more fertile woman. 
It's still has a regular cycle 

971
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:53,400
seed cycling can be amazing and 
you can just Google it and I'll 

972
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,400
tell you how to do it. 
You just do to take a 

973
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,700
tablespoon. 
I think of each first half of 

974
00:56:57,700 --> 00:56:59,100
the cycle in the second half of 
the cycle. 

975
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:02,700
The other ones I've seen a lot 
of women supplement with dim is 

976
00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:06,300
there any efficacy in that? 
It's amazing. 

977
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:10,300
So I seen damn work very quickly
and Saudi and no mess. 

978
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,100
Pain comes from your 
cruciferous, vegetables and soup

979
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:16,600
but it's a highly concentrated 
form because like I said you'd 

980
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,700
have to eat a lot of broccoli in
order to get what you get from a

981
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:26,700
capsule of D and all methane. 
So Dee Endo methane is going to 

982
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:30,500
help bind to the estrogen in the
body and take it out. 

983
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:36,800
Calcium, D glue, create is going
to help your gut to break it 

984
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,200
down. 
So taking the combination of the

985
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,100
two. 
If you You have known estrogen 

986
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:44,900
dominance. 
Every woman thinks she has it 

987
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:47,900
and many don't. 
So be very careful because it 

988
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:51,000
will drain your levels. 
I need a lot of perimenopausal 

989
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,600
women who are lacking in 
estrogen who are Downing damn 

990
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,100
thinking, they're doing 
themselves a Justice and I'm 

991
00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:01,300
like, oh, what are you doing? 
You need your estrogen. 

992
00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:04,400
That's why you're gaining 
weight, stop taking the dim. 

993
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:07,800
So it is good for that. 
And then, of course, Liver 

994
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,200
Health like doing liver 
detoxification. 

995
00:58:11,100 --> 00:58:14,000
Making sure things like heavy 
metals aren't in your system 

996
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:17,900
because those will actually bind
to the receptor sites as well. 

997
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,300
Estrogen receptor sites God and 
it can wreak havoc on 

998
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:23,000
everything. 
Then same with Liver Health, we 

999
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,400
process a lot of these hormones 
through the liver. 

1000
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,400
So if you're drinking all the 
time and your bodies, having a 

1001
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,800
process that first, then you can
get an abundance of estrogen. 

1002
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,400
This is both men and women 
recirculating in the system and 

1003
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:41,800
so Liver Health gut health 
lifestyle Like stress reduction,

1004
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:44,300
all of these things are really 
key. 

1005
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,300
Like you can't just go slap on 
hormones and think it's going to

1006
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:51,200
be the answer to all your 
hormone problems, it just 

1007
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,100
doesn't work. 
Well, when you do that you 

1008
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:56,100
really have to have the diet in 
place. 

1009
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:57,600
You've got to have the 
lifestyle, you going to be 

1010
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,500
sleeping. 
You've got to have all of these 

1011
00:59:00,500 --> 00:59:06,700
things in check in order for 
your body to really utilize and 

1012
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:11,300
and in a healthy way, the 
bioidentical hormones because If

1013
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:13,700
you're not circular, if you're 
not pooping every day, you're 

1014
00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:15,700
going to start slapping on a 
bunch of estrogen. 

1015
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:18,500
Well, now, that estrogen is 
supposed to be getting pooped 

1016
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:21,500
out, is now we're going to be 
reabsorbed into your body and 

1017
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:24,200
restart recirculating. 
And then you see, women gain 

1018
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,500
weight, that goes for all the 
hormones. 

1019
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:29,900
Yeah. 
It's got to be a holistic 

1020
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:31,100
approach. 
You can't just, there's no 

1021
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:32,700
quick. 
Pic Quick, Fix pills or 

1022
00:59:32,707 --> 00:59:36,200
anything. 
No, there isn't is there like a 

1023
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:39,300
like a particular blood test 
panel that you would recommend 

1024
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:40,900
or what do you suggest? 
In that regard. 

1025
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:49,600
So, when it comes to a cycling 
woman, you really unfortunately 

1026
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,100
bloodwork is not the best test 
because blood work is going to 

1027
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:54,600
test what's called bound 
hormones. 

1028
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,400
So every our hormones are bound 
to these little Transporters. 

1029
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,100
These little proteins called sex
hormone-binding globulin, that 

1030
01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:03,900
shuttle, your hormones, all over
your body, to the receptor 

1031
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:06,400
sites, and they get off the bus 
and they get onto the receptor. 

1032
01:00:06,900 --> 01:00:09,800
And when they get off the bus, 
they're free hormones. 

1033
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,000
And so there's Just a small 
amount of free hormones, 

1034
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,800
compared to these bound 
hormones. 

1035
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,500
But your body can't use bound 
hormones that are on the bus. 

1036
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,900
They can only use the free ones.
Serum blood work through. 

1037
01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:27,200
Your doctor is only going to 
test bound hormone levels except

1038
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,700
for testosterone and thyroid. 
Both of those, you can have done

1039
01:00:31,700 --> 01:00:34,600
through blood work and they'll 
test both Total and free 

1040
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,700
testosterone. 
So, you always want to make sure

1041
01:00:36,700 --> 01:00:41,100
as a man and as a woman that 
when you go to get Tested for 

1042
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:45,300
your testosterone that you ask 
for both a lot of doctors won't 

1043
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:48,000
test the free. 
They'll usually just test the 

1044
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,900
total testosterone. 
If you are then going into, no 

1045
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:58,900
perimenopausal stages, you can 
some women can get away with 

1046
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,700
this serum because as they're 
becoming deficient in hormones, 

1047
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:06,100
it will start to be reflected, 
even in the bound hormone 

1048
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:09,800
levels. 
But your best bet through, you 

1049
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,000
know, Amanda pause. 
Infertility years is to either 

1050
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,400
do a saliva hormone test which 
will test only free hormones. 

1051
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,400
It will also test cortisol at 
four points throughout the day, 

1052
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,500
which is really key or to do 
what's called a urine hormone 

1053
01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:28,200
test, which urine is going to 
test, what's called your 

1054
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,900
metabolites. 
And that's going to tell you how

1055
01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:34,000
is your body breaking down these
hormones, are you pee in the 

1056
01:01:34,008 --> 01:01:38,000
moat, what's happening? 
And if they're elevated, it's a 

1057
01:01:38,008 --> 01:01:42,400
reflection of you. 
Elevated or down regulated. 

1058
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:47,000
It is a reflection of total like
The free hormone levels, not 

1059
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,900
total free hormone levels. 
So that's a great one. 

1060
01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:51,300
It tends to be the most 
expensive. 

1061
01:01:51,300 --> 01:01:53,400
So you're looking at it you 
know, four to five hundred 

1062
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:58,100
dollars and the saliva is a 
little bit cheaper, so it just 

1063
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:00,000
kind of what are you wanting to 
know? 

1064
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,900
But I would definitely say that.
Saliva in the urine is the gold 

1065
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:06,800
standard for testing your 
hormones. 

1066
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:10,200
Once you're in menopause and you
no longer have a cycle, you can 

1067
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:15,000
Definitely do serum and see 
inside serum what's really going

1068
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,100
on because when you have no 
hormones, you have no hormones. 

1069
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:20,300
Yeah. 
All this, like, Probably sounds 

1070
01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:23,300
daunting for someone that's not 
typically like a biohacking 

1071
01:02:23,300 --> 01:02:26,400
Centric person that's wanting to
test and monitor everything, but

1072
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,500
if you, you know, take a little 
bit of time, take a day to get 

1073
01:02:29,500 --> 01:02:31,200
these tests at different 
intervals, throughout the day 

1074
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,700
and, you know, submit that and 
learn from it. 

1075
01:02:33,700 --> 01:02:36,200
I mean, that's, that's powerful.
That's empowering right thing, 

1076
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,600
because it can totally shift how
you feel and function. 

1077
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:44,100
Oh, it's It is so empowering 
like when I see women that come 

1078
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:47,300
to me that are this hot mess, 
they've gained so much weight. 

1079
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:50,200
They're hot flashing, they're 
depressed anxiety-ridden 

1080
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,200
insomnia, ribbon. 
And within three months they 

1081
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,300
completely have their life back 
and they're just going, oh my 

1082
01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:59,500
gosh, I feel like a normal human
being and I myself went through 

1083
01:02:59,500 --> 01:03:01,600
this. 
I went through a very early 

1084
01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:05,600
menopause, so I'm only 45 and I 
started to lose my hormones at 

1085
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,000
42. 
Of course, right? 

1086
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,700
The hormone specialist loses her
own. 

1087
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,300
I'm like, come on. 
But it's like, well, I guess 

1088
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:13,500
that this is what I had to go 
through. 

1089
01:03:13,500 --> 01:03:16,900
So I could teach it to others, 
but I was within months was a 

1090
01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:20,700
hot mess and I was, you know, 
hot flashing and night sweats 

1091
01:03:20,700 --> 01:03:26,100
and was like missing my period 
And I have zero symptoms right 

1092
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:28,800
now. 
Rob zero and that's because I 

1093
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,000
have I know what to do. 
I've replaced the hormones, I've

1094
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,200
got a good practitioner and I 
know, you know, she listens to 

1095
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:40,800
what I want to have done. 
And I just You should do that. 

1096
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,400
And if all you can afford a 
serum, it's still worth. 

1097
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:48,200
Getting just make sure that you 
test on days, 19, 20 or 21 of 

1098
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,800
your cycle. 
Doctors never tell women that 

1099
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,100
and that's very important 
because that's then we can 

1100
01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:56,300
compare it to where they should 
be first off your cycle, you 

1101
01:03:56,300 --> 01:03:59,900
don't even produce progesterone.
And so if you go and get your 

1102
01:03:59,900 --> 01:04:01,800
hormones test, it is going to 
look like you have no 

1103
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,000
progesterone if it's in the 
first half of the cycle. 

1104
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,400
So it's really important to do 
it on very specific days. 

1105
01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:11,900
Could not agree more. 
This has been incredibly 

1106
01:04:11,900 --> 01:04:14,800
enlightening, so it's always 
exciting for me to bring on 

1107
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,300
someone. 
That is a female hormone 

1108
01:04:17,300 --> 01:04:20,900
specialist because that is a 
department, I know little in 

1109
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,900
common experience standpoint, so
it definitely adds to my 

1110
01:04:23,900 --> 01:04:26,200
repertoire for sure, so I can't 
thank you enough for taking the 

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time to chat with me. 
Well, thanks for having me on. 

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Absolutely where do people go to
find out? 

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More about you? 
My podcast is probably the 

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biggest source of information. 
It's been going for like five 

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years now. 
So we've got almost 200 episodes

1116
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and it's a ton about hormones 
and weight loss. 

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It's called the other side of 
weight loss, and it was voted 

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number one of the top 20 weight 
loss podcast in 2021. 

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And then you can also find me at
Karen Martel.com awesome. 

1120
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Well, I will certainly link out 
to those places Karen and keep 

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in touch, definitely keep me. 
Keep me posted on what you're 

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working on this exciting stuff. 
Thanks Rob. 

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Thank you. 
Have a good one.