Hello, ladies and gents Robert Sykes Quito Savage.com.
Today I've got special guest dr. Patrick Vickers on the line and
I'm not even gonna lie, yo, I pretty much disagree with
everything he says, and we talked after the recording and
we both recognize that we completely disagree with
everything we say with everything each other says.
And truth be told, we didn't have enough time to get into
like an actual debate. Like we were an hour and pretty
much just letting me me letting him put his story out there.
Put his Protocol out there, put his methodology out there and we
did some background on Gerson. So basically quick recap Gerson
was a prominent scientist in 1920s. 30s 40s, came up with a
modality for pretty much curing cancer.
And that method has garnered a lot of pushback by Western
medicine and dr. Patrick Vickers has refined and
Polished his methodology and It on to this day and we just
wanted to dive into the backstory of the Gerson
protocol, want to dive into Gerson himself.
I wanted to figure out why he was, you know, shunned so to
speak. And I wanted to figure out why
they've continued that method, what they found in doing.
So and just learn a little bit more about their methodology.
But as you will likely glean from this conversation, we are
definitely on two different paths when it comes to
nutrition. I am More, you know, Carnivora
ketogenic, you know, that standpoint, he is certainly more
plant-based and going that direction.
So, but at the end of the day, I think, I still want to go ahead
and publish this podcast because it was a civil conversation and
I don't ever want my podcast to become an echo chamber in which
I only record with people, whom I agree with and whom I only
record with, you know, people that are preaching the same
method, so to speak. So this is Definitely not that.
So hopefully, you all can appreciate that and can
appreciate the Nuance in the conversation.
And appreciate that. Two people who disagree with
each other can have a civil conversation.
So, that said, without further Ado, a sit back, relax and do a
podcast with dr. Patrick Vickers,
We are live, dr. Patrick Vickers.
How are you, sir. Very good.
Thanks for having me today. I am excited to be chatting with
you, so I actually just read a book too long ago, titled
ravenous, have you ever are you familiar with that book?
No, I'm sorry. I'm not it's a it's by Sam apple
and he was basically diving into biography of doctor Warburg and
looking at cancer as a metabolic disease State, basically and
starving out that via you know, the deprivation of oxygen.
So very, very interesting book and then I got pitched your
podcast or having you on the podcast and kind of diving into
gerson's theory about starving cancer out from a metabolic
standpoint. Well, so I'm excited to dive in
and kind of pull the curtain back on that.
Yeah. Absolutely.
You know it's interesting, you mention Warburg because Warburg
one is Nobel work from the University of Freiburg back in
1931. Gerson graduated from the
University of Freiburg and was practicing just outside of
Freiburg where he had a clinic for 20 years prior to that
reverse and advanced disease with his Gerson Therapy, and
they all knew each other Warburg new Gerson, Gerson new Warburg.
And while Warburg was doing his Nobel work, you know, No on this
issue, Gerson had a clinic already doing that for you know
twenty years reversing Advanced disease and there seems to be
some confusion with what Warburg said.
You know, in the thesis he's leading up to his Nobel, you
know, Lori at work. If you read between the lines on
what Warburg said about properly oxygenating tissue, he went on
to describe that the body's primary ability to reverse
advanced. These cancer and oxygenating
cells properly lied in an alkaline diet and so, you know,
he where did he get that from? You can almost rest assured, he
got that from the 20 years of gerson's, work leading up to
warburg's Nobel work so Gerson, I'd love to come to a, you know,
pull the curtain back on the history of Gerson because, you
know, if you do a Wikipedia search on Gerson, you don't get
a lot of positive inside. Like he's kind of been shunned
by mainstream Western medicine. Why do you think that is?
That's a good question. And lots of things are getting
shunned right now, but I'm all on board.
Well, can a cancer as a metabolic disease state, for
sure, you know, up until 1946 Gerson was pretty much unknown.
And then the pepper Neely anti-cancer Bill had come to the
floor of the United States Senate.
It was designed to appropriate a hundred million dollars in
funding to anyone who could show.
Mess in the realm of cancer research.
And someone had heard in within Senate chambers, you know, doors
that there was a guy in Manhattan on Park Avenue that
was reversing virtually every single disease including cancer.
So they invited him, July 1st, through the 3rd, 1946 to come
testify before the United States Senate.
So shocked was everybody in Senate chambers in Senate,
chambers, during that testimony, that's Senator Claude pepper
himself. Elf who sponsored the bill said,
dr. Gerson has dedicated his life to
the Mastery of this scoured of cancer, and all should honor his
great work. And so he was whisked away to
give an interview to the international press, which would
be standard for, you know, anything of that nature then and
today. So he was whisked away to the
international Press Room, where he sat in a room alone for an
hour and a half, and the international press was never
allowed to interview him. Were whisked away to another
room and an impromptu party was thrown on their behalf.
Why? Because when Gerson testified in
1946 he wasn't only testifying about his therapy and how he was
reversing virtually every single degenerative disease, most
notably cancer which is what the bill was sponsored for.
He was talking about all the things that were causing the the
parabolic rise in. Aziz most notably cancer even
back in 1946. So what was he talking about?
He was talking about the energy industry, he was talking about
the agricultural industry, the medical industry, all of these
things, he was exposing and all of those things are, what are
eating the politicians pockets for their campaign funds every
four years? And so a huge red flag went up
throughout Washington and every industry that he noted Was
causing the rapid rise in disease.
So from that day, Gerson became a Marked Man.
He was one of the most published doctors in the world, leading up
to that point. And after that, between 1946 and
his death in 1959, he was only able to publish like three or
four things in rinky-dink. Medical journals around the
world where he was publishing and major medical journals.
Leading up to that. That he remains one of the most
sensor doctors in the history of medicine.
In fact, there's a book written in 1956 which Chronicles
gerson's word-for-word testimony before the United States Senate.
It's called the American Experience of Max Gerson
censured for curing cancer. It's written by a former New
York Times journalist who was cleared by his Editor to expose
Gerson as a fraud to write a story.
Exposing Gerson is a fraud and when he started researching his
story after three weeks, he completely changed the the
subject, like matter and ended up writing this book censored
for curing cancer. So the reason why when you
Google Dr, Gerson and you get all these things, you know,
ostracizing him saying his therapies, never cured a case of
cancer. It's absolute nonsense.
It's written by the pharmaceutical in the L
industry, who he would have put out of business as you.
And I know it today, he was a major threat to a pharmaceutical
and medical industry that was on the rise back then, but the
reality is eight movies have Chronicle dr.
Gerson's work since and no other therapy can remotely boast.
But one, why? Because no, other therapy.
Historically, can do what the Gerson Therapy can do in.
It's Ability to reverse Advanced terminal disease.
And so that's why you hear all these bad things about the
Gerson Therapy, not because it's not effective and it's not based
in science. The reality, is it?
Because it would destroy and expose a bloated pharmaceutical,
agricultural energy industries that are permeating, you know,
the cause of disease today around the world.
And so that's why Gerson today is not a household name when he
Absolutely should have been and when he was before he went
public with his before, he was brought to the Senate and made
made all these claims. He was documenting all this in
his in his lab in his clinic. So there's there's recorded, you
know, history of him, seeing positive outcomes with his
patients, right? Before 1946, he was constantly
approaching the American Medical Association and trying to share
his work over and over and over again.
Absolutely, that's why he's one of the most published doctors in
the world. Leading up to 1946.
I have a list of all his published.
Works on our website, Gerson, Clinic.com.
They're all in German most of them, unfortunately, because
that's where he was practicing. Most of the, Time up until about
nineteen, thirty-six. I think, when he moved to the
United States, but he was one of the most published doctors in
the world, publishing his work, so absolutely.
He approached the AMA, the New York State Medical Society.
All is German colleagues as well.
They didn't want to hear it, but more in the United States in
Germany, you know, all those people Einstein War.
Berg they all knew each other, Rudolf Steiner Charlotte Gerson
dr. Gerson's daughter, was
personally educated by Rudolf Steiner.
You know, so all those guys, they were actually collaborating
with each other but in the United States He faced a
completely different monster in the medical in the
pharmaceutical industry and ultimately the US Government
after 1946 in his testimony, he was a Marked Man and I'm
assuming he moved to his States. Like he's probably Making Waves
in Germany, but I'm assuming he moves.
Simply the result of the war going on in Nazi Germany, at
that time, right? That is exactly right.
He was a German Jew. He lost his entire family in the
Holocaust, he himself nearly died in the Holocaust and
narrowly escaped being, you know, being taken by the SS
Army, and then he fled to France.
When Hitler invaded France, he immediately hopped on the boat
with his family to Manhattan, and they set up practice on Park
Avenue in Manhattan. Literally, I kid you not meters
from Memorial Sloan-Kettering, the one of the world's largest
cancer research hospitals. In fact, CJ Sloan one of the
founders of Memorial Sloan-Kettering called Gerson a
notable Quack, a notable quack. So in other words, a guy who is
curing disease, but he was a quack.
So what let's dive into actual protocols.
Like, if you take away all the politics from his his
methodology, and what it could do from an industry standpoint
of what it could not do from an energy standpoint.
What was the actual protocol in of itself?
Yeah, so gerson's therapy, consisted of 20 pounds of
organic, fruits and vegetables every single day mostly in the
form of juices. And then he had to detoxify the
body. He found very early on that if
he gave that kind of nutrition how quickly it went towards
detoxifying and breaking down tumor tissue and rebuilding new
tissue. He had to detoxify the body and
so he had to come up with something.
Because in the beginning, he didn't have great success until
he found the mechanism, by which he could detoxify.
And he came up with the coffee enema, he made the coffee enema,
famous and there is nothing more potent in the ability to
detoxify the human organism than the coffee enema.
It is absolutely a powerful detoxification regime when you
do it in conjunction with the Gerson Therapy.
So those Of the two main aspects of gerson's therapy.
There's also a very specific supplement protocol, that Gerson
derived, and it's all based on the cellular, the production of
cellular energy by the mitochondria IE metabolism.
If you read and dr. Gerson's, Epic book that he
published a year before his death, one word sticks out over
and over again that he talks about and that word is
metabolism. He mentions it over and over
again as the secret to health and certainly the secret to
reversing disease. That these diseases, as you
mentioned, our metabolic diseases and that you must
restore proper metabolism to the cell.
If you're going to reverse these diseases and Metabolism defined
is the breakdown of food into energy and that consists of
three components. And his therapy, addresses.
Those three components of metabolism specifically.
So 20 pounds is 20 pounds that. Here's your rent, 20 pounds of
fruits and vegetables. That's a lot of, that's a lot of
red fruits vegetables. Yeah, and that's organic right
it and if it's not organic, the patients will not survive.
Do the pesticides of one. It has to be organic.
Well exactly. That's one reason, right?
That's probably the most obvious reason is that these the
conventional produce is loaded with you.
No pesticides, herbicides fungicides.
But the other reason, why is, because these, these
conventional, you know, fruits and vegetables are grown with
what they're growing with three things, the standard fertilizers
that you know your farmers are using today is NPK nitrogen.
Phosphorus potassium. That's the name of the
fertilizer NPK and so the fruits and vegetables, only contain
essentially those elements, whereas pure organic produce,
you know, consists of they say, anywhere from 60 to 100 vitamins
minerals, cofactors and you know, natural bacteria as well,
which are killed, you know, in the pesticide driven
conventional produce, but the other thing that's not Open
about about conventional produce is that before?
They send to Market, they irradiated, why do they
irradiated? They irradiated to cut off the
enzyme activity in that fruit, or that vegetable that enzyme
activity is so, absolutely vital.
Not just to maintaining human health, but certainly cure a
sick and dying body and so conventional produce can't heal
a human body and it really can't even keep A healthy person,
optimally healthy because all of those components are at stake
when you're dealing with conventional produce.
So if we don't feed our patients organic produce, their chances
of survival or between slim and none.
Gotcha, gotcha. And you've pretty much taken
that you've learned from his family directly and you've kind
of modified his protocol slightly and have continued on
that approach, correct? Yeah, that's right.
So we do what we've coined, the advanced Gerson Therapy protocol
so we've taken dr. Gerson's basic teenage that he
left with us in 1959 and we've added to it based on things that
have come out in the scientific literature proving benefit to a
cancer patient. There's nothing we do at our
Clinic that is not supported by the scientific literature and so
we've just taken dr. Gerson's therapy as he would
have anyone. New dr.
Gerson he was the consummate scientist.
He was constantly trying to perfect his therapy based on
what was coming out in the scientific literature of his
time. Just to give you an example up
until 1952 which was like 45 years into his therapy.
At that point, he had a specific juicing protocol that he changed
very little then in 1952 he completely revamped the juicing
protocol based on what was coming out in the sign.
Terrific literature regarding fruits, vegetables and cancer.
So just within seven years of his death, he completely
revamped his therapy. So if he were alive today,
looking at scientific literature that has come out since his
death, you can rest assured, is his therapy would probably look
a lot more like, ours than it did his back in 1959.
So that's we just tried to carry on dr.
Gerson's, working his legacy. And what?
We feel the direction that he probably would have taken it.
Had he still been alive. I'm assuming you're probably get
a lot of pushback using his name still because there is so much
negativity associate with his name, right?
The reality is, there's not so much negativity.
I mean eight movies of chronicled his work because of
his ability to reverse Advanced disease, right?
You know so when you go on the internet?
Yeah well that's for you going to see the - you know things
about dr. Gerson why?
Because who has the money to search engine optimized for
Google? The things they want you to know
about dr. Gerson or what?
They think. They want you to know about dr.
Gerson the far. Masu tackle, the medical
industry in the US government People Like Us don't have the
kind of money to compete with that kind of money for them to
be able to search engine optimize a Gerson Therapy
search. You know you do a Gerson Therapy
search in your top entries, are the medical industry, writing
the things that they want you to know or you to believe about the
Gerson Therapy, right? And so, you know, there's a lot
of people out there now because of dr.
Gerson's work, and the eight movies chronicling is Is work
that I'd say the people who believe in it and and don't
believe in it or have had - her negative things about it.
It's probably pretty balanced at this point 50/50.
Gotcha. Gotcha.
So, now with the with the science that's come out since
his protocol came out and into existence, how has that shaped
yellows, current methodology. That what is?
Let's just start from the top, like, what is an ideal patient
candidate look like going into y'all's Clinic?
Yeah, great. Yeah, let's so, let's just talk
about a day at the clinic, right?
I mean, essentially the day starts in the morning, the
coffee enema around, 6:30 in the morning, then you have
breakfast, which consists of oatmeal, some stewed dried
fruits into that. And an orange juice.
Same thing, every day they get a, they get 2 tablespoons of
flax oil. Every day at their meals total
and that's specifically to boost up cellular metabolism.
We can go deeper into that at some point if you want, but And
then after breakfast, they start getting a juice every hour on
the hour until 8 p.m. So they're getting 13, fresh
pressed juices every day now scattered in between, they're
getting enemas, every three hours, so they're getting five
coffee enemas per day and then they're getting individual
therapies that are designed to boost the mitochondrial
production of ATP, IE energy through the increased
oxygenation of tissues. Okay.
And so they're getting high. For Barak oxygen.
They're getting ultraviolet, bloody irradiation with ozone,
which was a major therapy back before the Advent of
antibiotics. If you had a deadly infection,
if you had a deadly infection. You know, back before the Advent
of antibiotics, you were given ultraviolet bloody irradiation
with ozone. And so we give ultraviolet,
bloody irradiation with ozone. It's a major immune modulator of
the human body and then we give pulsed electromagnetic frequency
treatment, Comment in the form of something called the Beamer
Matt. Now, the Beamer Matt they say,
has the ability to oxygenate tissues 30% greater than a
chamber and if you see the video in the science supporting the
Beamer technology, it's really fascinating how that works and
you could understand why it would oxygenate, you know, 30%
greater than a chamber and then one of the other things that we
do, but the science coming out now on light therapy.
So a book was written. Called the medicine of light.
It was written by Nathaniel Meade and what they're finding
now is that, when you bombard, the body with chlorophyll, which
we do, obviously, in the green juices, the patient receives and
the raw living spirulina that we add now to the juices, which are
loaded with chlorophyll. So when you load the body with
chlorophyll and then you hit the body, specifically with
near-infrared light not far. Not mid just near it.
Causes immediate apoptosis of cancer cells.
That's the science coming out now.
So we use those Therapies in conjunction with what were, you
know, but we've already, you know, coined the Gerson Therapy.
And then we've added some other things, like some specific
supplements high-dose proteolytic enzymes which the
science supports their ability to break down cancer cells.
In tumors. Why what's the science?
Well, your cancer cells in tumors.
They have the ability to hide from the immune system because
they can wrap like an envelope or a biofilm around themselves.
Well that makes them undetectable to the immune
system. Well enzymes can actually start
to dissolve and break that down. So if you can dissolve and
breakdown that biofilm, you make that sell more recognizable to
the immune system so it can attack and destroy it.
So high. A proteolytic enzyme intake is
actually quite scientific and its ability to help a cancer
patient. So we give massive doses of high
proteolytic enzymes. What else are we doing?
So we're doing a high-dose curcumin, but in the form of
turmeric root extract, not the isolated curcuminoids in a
laboratory, we give turmeric root extract, which is really
high in curcuminoids, the studies on curcumin and its
effects on. Stem cells in cancer, go to the
ceiling, you know. So that's another thing that
we've added to the protocol and so everything will be done.
You know, like I said is completely supported by the
science that has come out in the literature over the last, you
know, level 63 years since gerson's.
Death and one certainly, you know, the oxygenation that you
the oxygenation of cells to help increase the production of
energy on a cellular level. Level.
I mean that dates back to Warburg.
Yeah. What are y'all doing?
Like a from like a tracking standpoint.
Like how are y'all analyzing these patients to see?
Like if you're tracking blood, work on a regular basis.
Certainly how are y'all moderating?
How these things are affecting them?
Yeah, that's great. That's a great question.
And it's actually a really difficult one to achieve because
the patients come to our clinic, for two to three weeks and they
come for one reason and one reason only to learn the
intensity and the specificity of this therapy so that they can
take it home and continue to do the therapy at home.
So for us to be able to, you know, spend our days, tracking
each patient, and it would be literally thousands, right?
Over 5 10, 20 years, it's impossible.
So the patients are instructed that when they leave the clinic,
every four to six weeks, they need to be sending the blood
their blood results to us so that we can see what's going on.
And we can make adjustments to the supplement protocol because
even though the supplements are natural, they still need to be
managed. I mean, you're dealing with
thyroid glandular, you're doing with potassium salts, you're
dealing with lugol's solution which is iodine.
And these are things that are natural and effective in the
therapy like this, but they need to be managed, you know?
So they're required to come to us once they leave the clinic.
We can't spend our days trying to track them down.
And then the second problem is this compliance, right?
I mean, this is a strict radical dietary and lifestyle change
that. Quite frankly, that if you line
up 100 people, 10 will actually do it when they go home.
Live in a society, that's such an immediate gratification
society that people's discipline today and their ability to
radically change their diet and Lifestyles.
It's out the window like night and day from when Gerson was
alive, a completely different generation existing today that
is really incapable of being extremely disciplined, which is
needed if you want to heal yourself on this therapy and so,
So we can call up mrs. Jones and say, mrs.
Jones. This is dr.
Vickers, are you doing the Gerson Therapy as we taught you?
Exactly. At the clinic?
Yes, dr. Victor are you sure you're not
doing you know? Eating cookies cake and ice
cream. No dr.
Vickers I'm not eating cooked, you know, the reality is 90% of
the people. They just fall off the wagon and
they do not finish being able to accomplish what they set out to
accomplish. And that's really one of the
unfortunate. And you know issues today that
were dealing with and and it's just gotten worse over the 25
years that you know, that I've been doing this 25 years ago
when I started, I could probably tell you that compliance was
probably anywhere from 30 to 40 people out of 100 would actually
do what they needed to do to save their lives today. 10 to 20
over a generation because 25 years essentially generation.
Oh yeah. But so they're required to send
us your blood results. We really don't we really don't
push them to do scans for at least six to nine months because
that's how long it takes typically for the body to have a
dent in being able to break down the tumor, the first three to
six months, we're just trying to restore metabolism, which is
ultimately the immune system and then it's a At six month, Mark
where you really start to see the tumor starting to get broken
down. So it's between 6 and 12 months
usually the 12 month Mark that you'll see tumors disappear or
get significantly smaller, dr. Gerson was adamant, even at that
stage, if the tumor is disappeared, they must do the
therapy for another year. So, this is a two-year mandatory
therapy at home. And if they stop the therapy
once the tumors are gone, the cancer is going to come back
because you haven't rebuild the underlying depletion and haven't
completely address the issue of toxicity until that two-year,
Mark is completed. So it is a two-year therapy even
though tumors can disappear after a year but maybe after a
year, we'll ask our patients 9 to 12 months.
Go ahead and get Tas can, if you want clear clarification that
the tumors are gone but in all honesty, you don't need that at
this point when you see a patient come in with six to 12
months to live and the way they look and then what they look
like at the end of one year, you know, they're clearly on their
way to healing and so you can get the scans and stuff to prove
that and it does. But why would you subject
yourself to something? That is 150 chest x-rays in
terms of radiation exposure. Are you know, unless you're
clearly going downhill rapidly, and we need to find out what's
going on to see if the disease is progressing or whatever.
Maybe going on, we just don't see the need to go ahead and get
another CAT scan or pet scan especially if blood tests
indicate that your cancer is, you know, clearly getting
better. And that would be IE tumor
markers, right? It is this is this, a hold true
for all different types of cancer is this specific to a
certain certain Locale of Sir. Well.
Certain cancers have certain tumor markers some cancers don't
write but a lot of your cancers have tumor markers and you can
watch like, let's take the prostate.
For example. There's the PSA test, a lot of
our prostate cancer patients, obviously come with extremely
high PSAs. We had one guy come in with
keeps a 1060, I'd never seen anything higher than that until
recently. Some guy came in with 1500.
Well, when Joe came in, The 1060 hum like there is no because
that that defines the activity of the disease in the body like
that's really active and really you know, spread throughout the
body. So when Joe came and I'm like oh
my God, you know I really don't think we're going to be able to
help this guy to be perfectly honest.
And and lo and behold, I get an email from Joe, I don't know,
six, eight months ago now, his PSA was down to 14.
I mean it's utterly A shocking at what this therapy is capable
of doing sometimes. And so there's a patient like
that, who, you know, we're scratching our head, like how we
can help this guy and he's on his way to being cured.
And then we have the patient who walks in were like, oh yeah,
this is a slam dunk. And for whatever reason, whether
it's compliance, whether it's, you know, who knows what it is.
Are they in an area where there's some really high
environmental exposure, you know, the variables are so great
going into a therapy like this and getting well we just can't
put our finger on it, you know. Some people that we don't think
we can help our completely cured some that we think is the slam
dunk, they die. You know we don't we don't
really quite understand it to be perfectly honest.
But you know the reality is we're still able to reverse all
these diseases and most notably cancer.
The other ones are simple. You know, I mean all these other
but non-malignant diseases. There are walk in the park but
you know cancer is the monster in the room but you know so you
can track a lot of these. That have tumor markers.
You can watch those tumor markers, go down.
As the as the disease process is getting weaker and weaker and
weaker to the point where their tumor markers are normal.
And at that point you can you can announce them cured.
What do you see with patients taking in that amount of
fructose on and such a regular recurring basis?
Like are you seeing their blood glucose levels and Insulin
requirements go up as well. Absolutely not you know Nobel
Peace Prize winner, Albert Schweitzer who called Gerson the
greatest genius and medical history.
Eight years before he won the Nobel Prize, he had severely
Advanced diabetes Gerson cured him in six weeks.
How is that possible on a therapy?
That's giving you 3,500 to, 4,000 calories of sugar in a day
because Everything, the Gerson Therapy revolves around is
restoring the body's ability to convert glucose into energy and
you give me any type 2 diabetic across the board, 100%.
We will cure every single one inside of six to eight weeks on
this protocol. And we can't say that about
cancer because out of 100. Now, But with terminal stage,
three stage for cancers. If there were numbers, we could
give someone and these are hypothetical numbers of people
who would be compliant to the therapy in terminal conditions.
Given six to 12 months to live. You know, we might care 25 or
30, the other, maybe 70%, maybe 30, to 40 percent of those.
Maybe they can live anywhere from, you know, an extra two to
ten years. I have active patients with
active cancer, still living, and after seven, eight years of
embarking on this therapy, but you give us someone with type 2
diabetes and across the board within six to eight weeks.
They're cured on a therapy. Getting 3,500 to 4,000 calories
of fruit and vegetable sugars every single day.
What about? Because everything we do, go
ahead. No, I didn't mean to catch you
up what we're saying? It's because the therapy
addresses, the three steps of metabolism in the human body
better than anything on the planet can do.
And so, when you are restoring a diabetics ability to convert
glucose into energy, it happens so quickly, you have to
understand. There's, there's a few things
that are affecting their ability to convert glucose into energy.
Particularly in diabetics. And, you know, those who suffer
with metabolic syndrome is simply have cholesterol
occupying, insulin, receptor sites.
And so you put them on this therapy.
Particularly with flax oil when you take flax oil, It's
incredible. What it does to cholesterol in
the body, cholesterol, in the body is hard, it's hard at body
temperature, that's why it clogs arteries.
And it's also occupying insulin receptor sites.
When you take just flax oil raw in it, in its raw state, it
literally melts cholesterol into solution and is able to pass it
and clear it through the liver. And so, just by doing that, what
you can do for a type 2, Barek, you can plummet their numbers in
a matter of weeks, but then you add all the other aspects of the
Gerson protocol, most notably, the supplement protocol and
voila, I mean, diabetics are, you know, like I said, six to
eight weeks. Simple stuff.
What about a protein intake like as a, if they're not eating?
Like they eating animal proteins to or is it just something to
the fruits and vegetables every hour on the hour?
Yeah, that's a great question. You know, people always say,
well, if this is a vegetarian diet, where am I going to get my
protein from? Well, where does a horse or a
cow, get their protein from? Well a cow has six stomachs.
That has nothing to do with it. They still require the same
basic foundations of amino acids and everything to maintain the
muscle mass that they're able to maintain.
How do they do it without eating meat eggs, cheese Dairy, Very
well the way they do it is grass potatoes, carrots, oats, all of
these things that we're eating, even on a vegetarian diet are
getting more than enough protein.
And then you compile that with the raw spirulina that we're
adding, there's not a more perfect protein than raw
spirulina or even your dried powdered organic spirulina meets
protein needs for the human body.
Now with that said, after six weeks on the Gerson Therapy,
Gerson required 4, to 6, tablespoons of nonfat, organic
yogurt daily. Now, he included this in his
diet long before a study came out by a guy by the name of
Robert good out of the University of Minnesota back in
the 80s. He did a study now, Gerson was
dead in 1959 in I already added it to his protocol back then.
Back in the 80s. A guy by the name of Robert
good. He did a study where he took
very sick, people. I believe it was cancer patients
and he put them on an all vegetarian diet and immediately
I think it's an all vegan diet immediately for the first six
weeks, their immune systems went through the roof, but after six
weeks, they began to drop a bit and then Plateau.
They still work. A higher than original but they
play, but they dropped and plateaued from their maximum
capacity, it's six weeks. It wasn't until Robert good
added yogurt into their protocol.
That the immune system went back to functioning at an optimal
level Gerson, to this empirically before his death,
when he added yogurt into the diet for, probably that very
same reason. He probably noticed that there
was some kind of a shift in the immune system after six weeks.
And he threw in yogurt at the six week Mark for the remainder
of the therapy. And so while it's not an all
vegan diet, the only thing they can have is that nonfat, organic
yogurt. And if they get low fat or whole
milk yogurt, their chances of survival drop dramatically
because those tumors love fat tumors are hormonal monsters and
they will feed on fat like you cannot Imagine Gerson saw this
time and time again, especially when he fed them eggs.
If he fed them eggs, their tumors grew out of control.
So I've had several people in the podcast that have reversed
diabetes and they've been plagued with glioblastoma brain
cancer. And they've reversed that
following pretty much a carnivore diet, which is very
high in fat and protein, Beans eggs, all animal based products.
What do you think of that? Well, you know I'd like to have
more information that first of all are they, are they actually
five to seven years out and cured.
That's the first thing I'd like to ask, right?
Look a diabetic, right? Why do they have diabetes?
Because they're eating all this processed crap food, right?
All the process. White sugar, white flour, white
rice. They're eating.
All of these Foods. Well, if you put them on a
carnivore diet, you take them off all that crap.
It's going to show immediate effect in the blood results.
But what did we find out with the Atkins diet?
What happened with the Atkins diet for people who are on it
for one to three years? Their metabolism started to shut
down and there's very specific reasons for that which we
haven't gone into because they're the things that the
Gerson Therapy addresses, on a cellular level that restores
proper metabolism. But by taking a diabetic, right
to take taking a diabetic, getting off all that crap and
just feeding them meat and bacon and whatever you're going to see
a shift, you will definitely see a shift in their glucose levels.
No doubt about it. But if they stay on that diet
for a year to three years, forget it, their kidneys and it
will wreak complete havoc. And this can be explained on a
scientific level. It's, you know, it's not
complicated but you know, in regards The cancer patient.
First of all, and I'm not questioning you, but just one or
two cases is completely anecdotal and you don't know,
you know how long have they survived?
Let me give you a very famous chiropractor, what was his name?
He was a very famous chiropractor within the Natural
Health industry and he was a young guy who got brain cancer
and he went on the ketogenic diet and his tumor allegedly had
gone away. Well at the The 67 year mark,
his tumor came back with a vengeance, and he passed away.
So quickly going back on the ketogenic diet, he actually
called me to seek out treatment at one point right towards the
end, but it was too late. And he, you know, he was a very
famous chiropractor and forgive me for not being able to recall
his name, off the top my head, but that's a classic example.
There's a guy who did ketogenic with brain cancer and and
believe it or not, we don't treat brain cancer.
The one thing we will not treat and the reason why is because
the brain is obviously a closed compartment.
The way that the human body heals cancer, you know, tumors
of the colon, the prostate is through inflammation.
That's how the human body heals. An advanced cancer is typically
through inflammation and so if you're causing inflammation in a
brain, in a closed compartment, well then there's, you could end
up killing Killing a patient. So we typically don't take
active brain cancer patients as our patients for that reason.
Now, 60, 70 years ago, you know what they used to do is they
actually used to cut a hole in the skull and just wrap the
skull very tightly with bandaging, to give the brain the
expansion ability. You know, to help the patient
live longer. There's actually a very famous
movie Called Death be not proud. It's actually a Pulitzer
prize-winning book written in 1956, by one of America's top
journalists top famous journalist.
Even to this day, his name was John Gunther and his son came
down with brain cancer, and did the Gerson Therapy, and his sons
tumor completely disappeared after one year, on the Gerson
Therapy. And so excuse me, my
one-year-old child hear screaming in the background,
prior worth it, kind of took me off my thought there anyway, so
that book was written in 1956. It's a Pulitzer prize-winning
book called Death, be not proud written by junk, John Gunther
one of history's, most renowned American journalists, it was,
his son who came down with cancer and they sought out the
services of dr. Gerson after one year, this Boys
cancer was completely gone after one year.
Now, this boy was on his way to Harvard or Yale was a star
lacrosse player, active socially in his boarding school, when the
tumor was gone, they took him off the therapy.
They figured he was cured. Took them off the therapy
against dr. Gerson's recommendations and
what happened, the tumor came back and this is all documented
and there's a movie on it. Rick made a 1975.
You can go to YouTube and put in death, be not proud, 1975 Robby.
Benson was actually the star of that, you know, Robby Benson is,
hmm. Yeah, he was amazing.
You're, you know, star back in the 70s and 80s.
It was one of his first roles portraying dr.
Gerson's patient. So, anyway, this young boys,
completely cured, and it's documented in the book.
It's documented in the movie and they take them off the therapy.
Well, what happens? The cancer comes back.
Now they solicit dr. Gerson again, and they solicit
the medical doctors to now, participate in this boy's care.
So you see in the movie and The book a battle going on between
dr. Gerson and the medical doctors
what medical doctors want to do in a brain cancer.
They always want to give artificial steroid because it
will temporarily decrease, the tumors for about three months
until they completely deplete the liver and the nutrient
status of the body, and then the cancer grows out of control in
the patient dies. That's you can almost guarantee
that when you give the steroids, they were insistent on giving
this boy artificial. Well, Gerson was adamantly
against it because he knew what would happen.
So we came to a compromise with them, which he knew he did not
want to do, because he knew what would happen.
He said, instead of giving this boy artificial steroids, let's
give him egg yolk. Let's give him a joke.
Why? Because how does your body
produce all your steroid? Hormones naturally cholesterol.
All your hormones are created from cholesterol.
Well, what's an egg yolk? It's pure cholesterol.
So Gerson was able to come to a compromise rather than give this
boy. Artificial laboratory made
steroids. Let's just give him a leg yoke
and let the body create its own natural anti-inflammatories.
So that's what they did and the tumor grew out of control and
they lost him. Gerson didn't want to do it but
the family was adamant, the medical doctors were adamant, so
he had to come to a Compromise. And to his last nine, gay said
that was one of the biggest mistakes he'd ever made in his
60 years of practicing medicine. And so the way cancer heals the
human, you know, kills these tumors is through inflammation.
We can't do that in a brain cancer anymore because they
don't do brain protocols the same way they did back when that
book was written in 1956. Well, that patient was actually
in the 40s but the book was written in 1956.
So, In a brain cancer specifically, I guess through
the theory of trying to starve the tumor of glucose.
Well, perhaps it has some validity, but I can tell you
beyond the shadow of a doubt. If you do the ketogenic diet in
a majority of these cancers, there's going to be absolutely
in the next ten years because this is a recent Fad in cancer
treatment, the ketogenic diet for cancer.
Treatment is a recent fat. There is no long-term evidence
that it works with any kind of consistency whatsoever none and
I'm 100% convinced doing the Gerson Therapy for 25 years now
that in 10 years there will still be no evidence that the
ketogenic diet has any ability to consistently reverse Advanced
disease. And it is the antithesis of the
Gerson Therapy, it is literally the antithesis in a Peridot
speaking. Paradigmatically of the Gerson
Therapy in the way that it affects metabolism.
And so you know this this person that you're speaking of and the
person I'm referring to the chiropractor.
It didn't save him, it may have helped him.
But in the end after seven years, He ultimately succumbed
to his brain cancer. And so I have to think that that
would be the direction that most people would take if they were
to stick to a ketogenic diet for cancer treatment.
Let me ask you, is what do you do?
Like, you don't have cancer. I'm assuming, how do you
personally eat, knowing what you know, how do you have you?
How does your family eat? Yeah, that's a great question,
you know? And we I have cancer, you have
cancer, we all have cancer, right?
That's a normal daily process in the human body to take cancer
cells, break them down digest them and eliminate them through
the liver and the kidneys and the intestinal tract, right?
That is a natural process, we all have cancer but to answer
your question, I pretty much stick to a rule girl.
Person laid out once his patients were cured and it's an
80/20 rule. 80% of the time, I'm consuming raw organic produce
80% of the time, I will literally consumed five to seven
pounds of organic produce a day, whether it's in juicing or just
eating, you know, I'll have a, I'll have a big smoothie in the
morning consisting of berries. Maybe some mango, I put a little
bit of flaxseed oil in it or a little bit of maple.
Syrup in it as well. And so that'll be my morning
breakfast. Really.
And then I'll do a few juices and those few juices compound
you know at least three to four pounds of fruits and vegetables.
So right there between my smoothie and my juices, I've got
five pounds at least of organic fruits and vegetables and then
I'll have three cooked meals or to cook meals during the day
with more raw fruits and vegetables like an avocado, you
know. So most of my diet is organic
fruits and vegetables. Al's, but I love a good burger.
I'm not going to, I'm not going to lie, I love a good burger and
So 20% of my diet, I'll have a steak, I'll have a burger I'll
have a beer you know, I'll enjoy myself and Gerson actually
encouraged it if you're healthy and or if you're one of his
cured patients because he felt that the, the liver and the
immune system would function at a more optimal level.
If you were giving it something that it had to work with.
And so that's generally the rule that I follow an 80/20 rule.
I gotcha let me play Devil's Advocate with you for a second
here. So cancer as a whole is
relatively new to our species, correct?
Well, realtor amazing with thing within.
It's certainly grown in its prominence over the past 200
years. Oh, pause most definitely has
grown and it's problem in its prominence over the last 200
years. But it's my understanding,
there's even biblical references, you know, to cancer.
I forget the word they use, I don't know if it's consumption
or something else in the Bible but that was pretty much known
to be. You know, the malignant disease
that you and I know is cancer. Yeah people like before the
Industrial Revolution agriculture becoming what it is.
Now before industrial farming You know, monocropping, when
plant matter did not make up the majority of the diet when people
were predominately eating, you know, animal-based Foods.
They didn't seem to be as plagued with cancer as they do
now, and a lot of people attribute that predominantly to
the hyper palatable ultra-processed foods, which I
think makes sense for sure. But if there wasn't as much
cancer, you know, per capita in the population demographic, when
the predominant diet was animal-based.
Is that. What, what, what do you think of
that? Yeah, I just agree with that
wholeheartedly. I would not say that the diet
was primarily carnivore. I mean, look at nature.
Look at all the fruits and vegetables God provides for us
year, in and year out, if you look at ancient life of, you
know, of early man, look at the weather Cycles.
Let's start From the north. Okay, let's just start I'm from
Wisconsin. So let's start from the North in
May. You get your asparagus and you
know you get some of the other things you can grow early on in
the season. Then in June you have all your
strawberries and probably a couple other things that I, you
know, I can't think of right now, then in July, you've got
blackberries, you've got blueberries, you've got
raspberries, then in August you have your apples and September,
you have your apples in October, you have your Apple.
Now it's too cold and so people were naturally, migrating South.
And as you Maya, graded, South all of a sudden your peaches
become available in Atlanta, Georgia and then the next thing,
you know, in November December and into January early February,
all your oranges, your lemons, your grapes, so early man wasn't
just eating meat. I mean, I don't know where that
comes from early man was migrating North.
South south to North and as they're migrating, God, Is
providing all the food they need and I'm sure a kill was much
more difficult than grabbing something off a tree.
And so I just find it hard to believe that the human being was
a purely carnivore creature, when even our teeth are enzyme
production and our gut and intestinal.
I'll track are completely consistent with an herbivore it
creature, not a carnivore that science and so you know these
theories that come out if you're really thinking through your
like does that really make sense that early man was primary
carnivore when God provided everything from January to
December, going north to south with the with the climate?
For man, I just don't believe that and I hear that all the
time because that's quite a common thing.
Now, you know, books have been written about all the carnivore
diet, the paleo diet, you know, this and that, but I'm just not
of that camp. Gotcha.
No, yeah, I appreciate different
perspectives for sure, for sure. And that's good, man.
I like it. So what about you said?
You had a one-year-old son, I guess he's not eating a whole
lot of Whole Foods yet, right? She's one year, one year, two
months, and she still, you know, she still, she just finished
nursing within the last couple months.
And so now we have her on a goat faced organic goat based milk.
Just, you know, a couple times a day, but she's eating.
And she's eating raw berries, you know, she loves strawberry.
She'll eat up an avocado like crazy.
She just had a spare guess about an hour ago.
So no, we give her a lot of, you know, she's eating a lot of
fruits and vegetables at this point.
Gadget, very cool. Very cool.
Wow, I love it, man. I like bringing on people with
different perspectives for sure, and it's always interesting to
see what's working well for you and your family and your
clientele base. Man.
I appreciate it. Where do people go to find out
more about the clinic? Yeah.
So our website is Gerson, Clinic.com Gerson is ger s0n,
clinic.com and they can always reach me, you know, I'm on the
front end of everything. So I'm answering phone calls,
emails texts. To book people into the clinic
and director at Gerson. Clinic.com is my email.
So anyone who's interested in possibly coming to the clinic?
That's always an option. And we also sell, you know, all
the Gerson products on our webinar on our store, which you
can access via our website Gerson clinic.com but our stores
website is actually Gerson clinics plural.com as well.
So those are the three places that you know you can access me
the clinic. And or some of the things that
we offer for our patients. And if somebody wanted to do a
deeper dive into dr. Gerson what reference would you
recommend? Their I'd seek out the movies on
the internet so just quickly there, 7 or 8 ohms.
So you've got the Gerson Miracle which won best film at the 2004
Beverly Hills Film Festival. You've got dying to have known
which is my favorite. That's the sequel in 2006.
You have the beautiful truth in 2008 which actually Chronicles
one of my patients. You have food heels, you have
food cures, you have Food Matters, Food Matters was an
epic documentary that came out even before the Gerson Miracle,
that mostly Chronicle. Dr. Gerson's work.
I mean, that's an epic documentary Food Matters.
So I would seek out, you know, these documentaries because
they're fascinating, they give a great historical perspective.
There's a myriad of testimonials of people with there before
After medical records of stage, four cancer being completely
healed. So that's probably where I would
send them a book was written called healing Hopeless by dr.
Gerson's grandson. That's a great book and then
Charlotte's Epic book. His daughter who I lived with
Charlotte Gerson. She wrote a book called Healing
The Gerson Way by Charlotte Gerson and a woman by the name
of BR. The bishop who is actually a
friend of Prince Charles's, who we cured of advanced terminal
melanoma. So Oh, you know, she's quite a
renowned BBC or was a renowned BBC journalist.
And like I said, a friend of the friends of Prince Charles who's
a great advocate of the Gerson Therapy.
I, that's all I would talk about as it relates to Prince Charles,
but, you know, but yeah. So that was a book written by
Charlotte and Beyond a bishop Healing, The Gerson like
perfect. Well, I will definitely link.
That's all those. Make it easy for people to find
those references. Dr. Vickers.
I certainly appreciate the time. Good, sir.
And I have Enjoy the conversation.
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
I appreciate it. You bet, man.
Take care. Enjoy the conversation.
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I appreciate it. You bet, man.
Take care.