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Well, hello ladies and gents. 
Robert Sykes, Keto, savage.com. 

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And today I've got special guest
Josh Deck on the line. 

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He is a gut health expert and 
holistic nutritionist, and we 

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dive deep into the wonderful 
world of proper gut microbiome 

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health. 
We talk a lot about the 

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environmental factors, We talk 
about the dietary factors. 

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We talk about the things that 
oftentimes go unsaid when it 

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comes to optimizing one's gut 
health, such as where the food 

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comes from, not just the types 
of foods, the macronutrient 

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breakdown, but the actual 
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environment that that food was 
raised or grown and how that 

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impacts gut health as well. 
We we honestly went pretty deep 

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on proper gut health and 
improving one's health from a 

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holistic standpoint as it 
pertains to the gut being the 

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foundational pillar in which 
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So I truly enjoy the 
conversation. 

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We are speaking the same 
language. 

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He's got an interest in 
homesteading in light of what 

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he's learned about proper gut 
health, so we'll talk a little 

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bit about that as well. 
I've got no doubt that you will 

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take something from this. 
You'll likely want to grab a pen

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and paper because it's going to 
be pretty involved at some 

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point. 
So take some notes. 

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But thirdly, enjoy the 
conversation. 

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Like I said, I've got no depth 
that you will take some 

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actionable steps from this. 
So that for the delay. 

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Sit back, relax, enjoy the 
conversation with Josh Deck, 

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we are live, Josh. 
How are you brother? 

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It's a good day to be in 
Calgary, man. 

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We get these chinooks. 
The sun is shining, there's snow

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on the ground. 
I can wear AT shirt and short 

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shorts outside if it doesn't get
any better than that. 

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So you get snow on the ground 
right now, huh? 

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We do do not. 
We do not, no. 

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I'm in Arkansas, so there's no 
snow here. 

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Not yet. 
We don't get snow. 

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Almost ever. 
You get snow. 

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What, A month out of the year? 
Yeah, pretty much, man. 

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We get like one or two weeks 
where it gets us really hard and

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we're all buttoned up for the 
winter, but it's not normally a 

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common occurrence by any means. 
Well, I'm in Calgary. 

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We snow 13 months out of the 
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Man, you don't get tired of 
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Oh, I get very tired of that. 
We're looking to to move, do 

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something, change something up, 
buy a homestead, you know, a 

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little farm, do something. 
We can actually enjoy it 

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differently than being inside 
and dealing with traffic and, 

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you know, vehicles. 
That's about it. 

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Oh, you've piqued my interest on
Homestead now. 

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So you want to get some land? 
Raise your own animals. 

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Yeah, ideally. 
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do in the health space, you 
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everything from the water to the
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Like it's just, it's garbage, 
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Everything's about if it's 
poison, it's all fake food. 

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And I do, I want to have my own 
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own everything. 
So I can really just have sort 

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of that. 
We'll call it a freedom approach

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to my own health and my 
Wellness. 100% man, Like we 

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bought some land a few years 
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get into the homesteading scene.
How? 

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We got our own chickens. 
We're going to be getting some 

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lambs, some pigs, some cows. 
I found a really good local 

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source for pasture raised 
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I actually just ordered. 
I was talking to somebody early 

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this morning. 
I'm having them butcher several 

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lamb for me. 
I'm going to get that. 

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So we're speaking the same 
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As soon as you start diving deep
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where your food comes from, what
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following ketogenic low carb 
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It's like the whole homesteading
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default because it goes hand in 
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It really is an organic 
transition. 

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You know, it's like anything you
get car guys over long enough 

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period of time, they end up 
working on fixing on cars and 

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they got a garage full of them. 
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nutritionist or anybody in that 
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It is an organic transition to 
go from curiosity to expertise 

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to just overhauling every aspect
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desires, wants and needs a. 100%
Man, There's so different. 

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There's so many different 
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I came to it from, you know, the
bodybuilding training 

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standpoint. 
You are a gut expert. 

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What was the catalyst for you 
getting into it in the 1st 

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place? 
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With an interesting chain of 
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So I used to be a paramedic. 
That was my first career, way 

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back in my late teens, early 
20s, and I really learned very 

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quickly it was actually sick 
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I wasn't working in healthcare, 
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or taxi for the elderly and the 
ill, and it's just not what I 

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wanted to do. 
I really wanted to help people 

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get better. 
And there's something to be said

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for, you know, pulling somebody 
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life and, you know, all the 
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But it wasn't what I wanted to 
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And so I learned very quickly I 
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And through a chain of happy 
accidents, I got into the 

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personal training world. 
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weightlifting and basic exercise
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I remember, you know, being 8 
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somewhere in there and pulling 
out, you know, remember those 

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Jane Fonda thigh squeeze 
machines that like mom would 

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have? 
I had one of those couple of 10 

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LB dumbbells and made my own 
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So it's something that's always 
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And so I pursued that for a few 
years and it was really 

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interesting. 
This woman came to see me back 

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in my early 20s, one of my first
clients, when I was working for 

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a big box gym. 
Her name was Lynn and we started

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together. 
I mean, her breakfast was 17 

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pills and a shot of insulin. 
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shot of insulin. 
She was had high blood pressure.

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She was on the disability list 
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She slept with a CPAP machine. 
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were just on a steady decline. 
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together. 
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ended up breaking her first 
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powerlifting division and she 
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until she was about 62, give or 
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And so it really just 
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to heal itself. 
We do things properly and look 

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at things properly and it just 
pushed me further and further in

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the holistic world. 
I saw people I was working with 

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working on food and nutrition 
and exercise whose skin issues, 

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anxiety, depression, arthritis, 
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They would just start to 
alleviate when the body worked 

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as it was originally intended. 
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further to that world until I 
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someone was talking about the 
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I was hooked. 
I saved up for a couple of 

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years, went back to school, 
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I am specializing in gut disease
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Crohn's disease. 
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kind of like the brain, man. 
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second brain. 
Like there's so many, there's so

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many ways you can take things. 
There's so much we still don't 

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know about it. 
When you were to like, if you 

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were to look at it from a high 
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understanding do you think we 
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Are we still light years away or
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Oh man, we're 50 years away 
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So just to give you an idea 
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understand gut health sort of in
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We talk about how important it 
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well, I'd like to not be 
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I'd like to digest food or kind 
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without any repercussions. 
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But what it actually means at 
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bacteria are more important than
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And I'll tell you why. 
You know, we look at the entire 

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human genome, right? 
There are 23,000 genes in the 

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human genome that make you you. 
We have 3,000,000 genes inside 

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of a gut bacteria. 
And so we have 130 times more 

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genetic material inside of our 
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And those bacteria that we do, 
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influence everything, genetic 
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You can connect the the gut to 
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imagine. 
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leading causes of death in the 
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disease, cancer, stroke, 
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Alzheimer's, kidney issues, 
liver issues, Parkinson's, all 

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these things, 14 out of 15 are 
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The 15th cause is suicide and 
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of the main things we're telling
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death are not in fact natural. 
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conditions that your gut has a 
major role or can be entirely 

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responsible for by itself. 
And so when we talk about gut 

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health, I look at it, we often 
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really you are what you 
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And if you have any kind of 
inhibition in your gut, an 

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inability to absorb, you're not 
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You're not going to turn over 
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You're going to start breaking 
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Disease processes happen. 
Things get from the gut and 

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circulate directly into your 
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bloodstream, which are the Super
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It can get in, causing all kinds
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just about any disease you can 
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We can draw a connection. 
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through elementary school and 
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the human body, the way they 
structure that does as a 

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disservice because they separate
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You got the skeletal system, the
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the digestive system and the way
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of segments everything, whereas 
in reality everything is so 

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incredibly intertwined and 
affects the whole. 

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So on that note, if someone is 
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digestive system and the gut, 
particularly from a a deeper 

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level like, how would you define
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How would I define the gut? 
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Like that's a question. 
I can't say I've ever been asked

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before, but here, here's my 
first instinct. 

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Answer your brain and your gut. 
They're actually made from the 

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same tissue in utero. 
Your gut is connected to 

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everything. 
It's one cell thick between your

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small intestine and getting 
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lymphatics. 
It's two cells from your large 

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intestine, and they're smaller 
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And so we look at what goes in 
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Here's the basics of how it 
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You eat, you chew, you break 
things down. 

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They get into your stomach. 
You have receptors between your 

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stomach and small intestine, 
like guards think like the 

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Queen's guard. 
They stand there and open up or 

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they close down. 
If things close down, we got a 

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problem. 
If they open up, it's usually a 

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good thing. 
Sometimes can be a problem. 

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So if they get through the small
intestine, things start breaking

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down. 
You have your bile and all your 

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pancreatic enzymes and all these
things start to mix in and start

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breaking down foods so you can 
readily absorb it. 

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Where it gets to the large 
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we used to think was most of 
just your water absorption, 

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which is part of it. 
But as we start to excrete, 

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things exit the back door 
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But 90 ish percent of all of 
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reside in your large intestine 
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the small intestine. 
So it's going to be connecting 

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on your your right side. 
And so that tube that comes up 

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and down, that's where most of 
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Now that gut bacteria is 
responsible for everything like 

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we talked about, it's 
responsible for balancing 

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hormones. 
Up to 40% of your inactive 

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thyroid converts to active 
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right. 
We have balancing of estrogens. 

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We can actually recirculate 
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out of whack. 
All kinds of toxins and junk can

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the gut. 
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It is the center of our being, 
the center of our Wellness, the 

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center of our cognition. 
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comes back to the gut. 
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autism as being an inflammatory 
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brain and nervous system rather 
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of the brain. 
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the gut Biome. 
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that, we talked about all the 
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3,000,000 different genes 
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the human genome. 
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expansive this gut bacteria is. 
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them. 
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cells in the rest of your body, 
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also outnumber your body's own 
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the gut. 
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anus or talking everything in 
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microscopic world where 
everything is everything and 

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it's connected to the rest of 
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brain and your nerves are. 
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life as a species is meant to, 
we're going through, we're 

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eating of the foods that we're 
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If you were to just take all the
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equation and we were just eating
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everything was functioning as it
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what we now are seeing in our 
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epidemics, the chronic sickness,
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medications, all the processed 
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into their guts. 
What is the single biggest issue

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or concern that you see as where
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being LED astray as a species as
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gut health? 
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health, of course look at 
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indigenous tribes, Brian Sanders
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right now called Food Lies. 
That's you'll see him on 

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Instagram as Food lies. 
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indigenous tribes through 
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And they don't have diseases 
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They don't have rotting teeth 
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That's your microbiome in your 
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They don't have infertility the 
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They don't have arthritis, they 
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processes. 
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one thing that's leading us 
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eating food. 
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basically a food like substance.
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tastes like food. 
It's what we've conditioned to 

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be food. 
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anymore, and most of what we eat
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package somewhere, somehow. 
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its smallest parts, there's 
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everything. 
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of pesticides on crops in the 
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pounds a year, and pesticides 
destroy and kill living 

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organisms to make sure the crops
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and all kinds of wildlife that 
is dying, what do you think it's

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doing to individual organisms 
inside your gut, which are 

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again, more important than your 
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And so the biggest way we're 
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by lobbying agencies, food 
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money, One off of processed 
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right. 
We're being told constantly 

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we'll go try a Beyond Beef 
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you. 
None of that food, not a single 

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ingredient in there, is of a 
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it, from its its edible form, 
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soy at one point was you know, 
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so none of it's actual food and 
your body can't run on that. 

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And This is why these other 
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diseases are, because they don't
face them like we do. 

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Yeah, no, I totally agree, man. 
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what we're consuming on average,
I mean people like it's just it 

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boggles my mind. 
People the things that people 

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are willing to stick down their 
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on. 
It's not even food like the the 

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rate at which people go to fast 
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I mean none of it's real 
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So when, when that's happening, 
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food, from a mechanistic 
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What is the cascade of events 
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Like, they consume that food, 
they chew it, it goes to their 

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digestive tract. 
It literally just wreaks havoc 

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and kills the microbiome. 
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disarray we find ourselves in. 
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probably the best way to 
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Like if I was teaching, you 
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exactly what I would tell them. 
It goes through and instead of 

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nourishing, it kills. 
Think about your bacteria in 

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your gut like a fishbowl, right?
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probiotics and there's something
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well. 
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living Organism. 
That is your actual live 

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bacteria. 
Those are the fish in the fish 

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bowl. 
Now the prebiotics are the fish 

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food, right? 
Because you, you eat, you poop, 

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so do your bacteria. 
So we put some fish food in the 

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tank, and your fish eat that, 
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That's your post biotic. 
Now is that post biotic a good 

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thing or a bad thing? 
Is it pooping out short chain 

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fatty acids? 
Is it pooping out vitamins? 

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Is it pooping out really 
beneficial things for your 

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immune system and culturing? 
I mean, up to 90%, seventy to 

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90% of your immune cells are 
made and matured inside of your 

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gut and you need a really good 
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successfully. 
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muddying the waters and that's 
all these things coming in, 

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we're putting too much things 
that your bacteria, your fish in

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the tank cannot eat and so the 
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that's where disease starts. 
That's sort of the the 

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simplified version. 
A lot of people have a very 

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high, you know, surface level 
understanding of this and they 

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will be marketed towards things 
like detoxes and things of that 

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nature or specific products that
are marketed as probiotics, 

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prebiotics. 
Is there much benefit to any of 

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that if they're still consuming 
the diet that they're consuming?

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Well, I mean, it's really 
interesting because the argument

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would be, if your house is 
burning down while you're trying

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to build it, can you build it 
faster than it burns down? 

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If you can, then at least it's a
structure, livable or not, as 

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irrelevant. 
It's a structure by the basic 

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marketing argument. 
And so if we're putting in all 

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these vitamins and minerals and 
nutrients into our body while 

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we're also burning the place 
down, I mean, are we really 

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keeping up or just preventing 
the inevitable? 

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And that's the question we have 
to ask ourselves when we're 

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consuming these things. 
Now, every health practitioner, 

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every single one, has a bias 
leaning of some kind. 

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Whether you're carnivore, 
whether you're vegan, whether 

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you're a mix, whether you know 
you advocate for supplements or 

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Whole Foods only, it doesn't 
matter. 

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We all have a bias somewhere, 
though a lot of us can try to 

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be, you know, non partisan in 
any way we possibly can. 

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There's going to be some mixture
in there based on education 

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preferences and personal 
experience. 

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And so the general population, 
it's very easy for them to get 

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confused, for them to get LED 
astray, frankly, by marketing 

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companies who make a really good
point or make a viral video. 

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And they buy this product that 
does next to nothing for them 

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because the environment which is
receiving that product is not 

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ready to make the most use of 
it. 

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You can bring lumber to a town 
that's on fire, but they're not 

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going to be able to use it 
adequately. 

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And that's the same thing with 
what's going on inside of our 

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bodies. 
We're bringing building 

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materials, we're bringing 
supplies, but our body is not in

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a state to be able to use it 
appropriately. 

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And this is what's causing us to
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The USA spends 4 1/2 trillion 
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they have the highest sickness 
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It's the sickest country in the 
world. 

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You know, 60 plus percent of 
people over 50-60 years old are 

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on a minimum of two or more 
prescription medications on a 

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regular basis. 
And so we're throwing, no matter

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what we have, we're throwing the
most money, the most research 

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and money and supplements and 
pharmaceuticals at our health. 

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Yet we are the sickest nation on
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And I say we I'm in Canada, but 
I call it all of North America 

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are pretty much the same. 
And that is a big, big problem. 

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Yeah, I totally agree. 
I tend to do the exact opposite 

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of what the bureaucratic 
entities tell me to do when it 

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comes to. 
Yes, they say go left, go as far

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right as possible. 
Yeah, 100%. 

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Out of curiosity is there with 
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societies, cultural backgrounds,
ways of eating When you look at 

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it from a a gut microbiome 
standpoint and the bacteria that

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are therein. 
When you look at somebody with a

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healthy gut microbiome in North 
America for instance, and 

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compare that to somebody in 
Southeast Asia eating totally 

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different types of food, but 
both seemingly very healthy, is 

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that gut microbiome? 
I mean I would assume if you're 

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eating the right food, your gut 
microbiome would reflect that, 

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but how could they be so totally
different forms of dialect? 

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Does that shift based off of 
lineage and and heritage or is 

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there much play in that realm at
all? 

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Well, this is where your 
original question kind of comes 

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back around full circles. 
How much do we really know? 

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I say we're 50 years away at 
least, because you and I rob as 

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total strangers. 
We've never met before, right? 

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We're not related. 
We don't even live in the same 

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country, right? 
You and I share about 99 to 

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99.9% of our DNA, right? 
We're almost identical. 

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We only share 20 to 30% of the 
DNA of a microbiome, and so 

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we're looking at the grand 
scheme of things. 

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This is why it's so fascinating.
We know there are staples, 

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right? 
We know the basics of 

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Acidophilus and bifidobacterium 
or different Lactobacillus 

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strains. 
If we see these all over the 

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place on probiotics, the most 
researched ones out there, 

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Acromancia is coming out making 
a big splash right now, all 

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kinds of specific strains. 
And so we know what they do. 

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But the ranges and ratios, the 
specific genus of each strain is

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very, very different, and so I'm
very curious to see myself as a 

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practitioner in this space. 
I'm very interested to see over 

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the years what happens with the 
development of research and I'll

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tell you why. 
There are even on a basic GI map

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for example, we might measure 
Lactobacillus, that's going to 

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be all your Lactobacillus, 
reyteries and acidophilus and 

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different strains. 
Often times if you're not 

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measuring an individual gene of 
that species it comes out as 

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SPP, your non species specific 
measurements kind of the 

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umbrella of all Lactobacilli. 
And so we can see all of that 

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but we don't know exactly the 
ratios of who's got what right 

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now. 
We haven't measured it enough. 

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It's only technology that's been
around for maybe a decade of 

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really like accessible to the 
public. 

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And so if we look at somebody, 
for example, who receives a 

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heart transplant, great story of
a woman that was a news article 

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that came out 1015 years ago 
now. 

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But she'd received a heart 
transplant. 

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Stay at home, mom, three kids, 
very quiet, kept to herself, you

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know, goes to church, the 
basics. 

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And she got a heart transplant 
from a donor who had actually 

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died in a motorcycle accident. 
Very evil Knievel type, right? 

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Love to drink, love to smoke, 
love to ride fast. 

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Well after a number of years she
started to develop habits that 

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were more high risk living that 
she never had before. 

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And so the argument then that I 
would make is it's these 

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microbes influencing our 
personality. 

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We already know your micro, your
microbes in your gut directly 

454
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,200
influence how social you feel 
like being certain behavioral 

455
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,760
traits and qualities we can see 
how they influence certain 

456
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,680
neurotransmitters and hormones. 
I mean 90 plus percent of your 

457
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,760
neurotransmitters come from your
gut anyways. 

458
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,400
And so these different things 
that we see and how they 

459
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,040
interact, it's going to be a 
really cool science to discover 

460
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,320
how much of our microbes alter 
our personality, right? 

461
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,960
We even know right now, for 
example, people who cut calories

462
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,800
and can't lose weight, right. 
We call it in the industry 

463
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,720
weight loss resistant. 
Those people have a lot of 

464
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,080
toxins in the body, but also are
likely to have a lot of altered 

465
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,560
gut bacteria. 
There was a recent mouse study 

466
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,000
where they actually took all 
this bacteria from the mice and 

467
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,040
flushed it out as much as they 
could with laxatives and 

468
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,160
antibiotics in the works. 
And they cleared out their 

469
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,760
colons. 
They took a control group with 

470
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,160
healthy bacteria and then this 
modified group and they put them

471
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,440
on a caloric deficit. 
And they found that the mice who

472
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,000
had good bacteria, of course, 
got benefits to their gut 

473
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,360
bacteria and their hormones and 
all these things. 

474
00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:28,440
And they lost weight on a 
caloric deficit. 

475
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,720
But the mice who had altered or 
disrupted or even eliminated gut

476
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,680
bacteria didn't get any of those
benefits. 

477
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,920
And if they did get any, they 
were very, very minimal. 

478
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,840
And so they even couldn't lose 
weight, which is what I believe 

479
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,320
is in part responsible, not only
the food and junk but for 

480
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,240
obesity crisis is a change. 
The gut bacteria that we're not 

481
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,200
yet measuring or that is not yet
popularized. 

482
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,440
And so the influence really 
everything and even our 

483
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,880
personalities, even our ability 
to gain and lose weight and I 

484
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,920
think something of the future 
will be very similar to CRISPR 

485
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,120
technology. 
We're changing baby's eye colors

486
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,000
in utero and all kinds of stuff 
right now. 

487
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,440
Whether or not, you know, you 
have certain specific beliefs or

488
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,280
you think we're playing God, 
that's irrelevant to this 

489
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,640
particular statement is that we 
have the technology to alter 

490
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,600
genetics in utero, in a tube to 
determine what hair color, what 

491
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,360
eye color. 
And there are now studies, these

492
00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:21,960
same mouse studies showing that 
mice who get a fecal transplant 

493
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,320
of gut bacteria from an active, 
thriving healthy mouse, they get

494
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,480
a lot of those benefits of the 
exercise from the healthy mouse.

495
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,080
So maybe in 20 to 50 years 
really wealthy people can 

496
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,320
purchase stool from poor people 
and give them money for having 

497
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,400
healthy bacteria and not 
actually really have to exercise

498
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,040
but still get the benefits. 
And so that leaves the question,

499
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,440
in the future, could we maybe 
change personalities and change 

500
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,680
other traits and disease and 
risk ratios and genetic 

501
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,680
expression all through altering 
somebody's gut bacteria with a 

502
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,240
pill? 
And that that fecal transplant, 

503
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,320
I mean that's starting to be 
rolled out in human studies, 

504
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,800
right, like there have been some
studies indicate success with 

505
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,760
it. 
Yeah, it's already approved by 

506
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,880
the FDA and the USA that's 
typically it's used for 

507
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,320
recurrent C diff infections. 
That's that's what it's approved

508
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,160
for. 
Right now it's not yet approved 

509
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,200
in Canada, but they are doing 
clinical trials, but they've 

510
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,920
used it cases of ulcerative 
colitis and what's Crohn's 

511
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,880
disease previously considered 
autoimmune. 

512
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,040
Nothing you can do take the 
drugs will cut out your colon 

513
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,000
one day are now being reversed. 
We've seen Parkinson's reversed.

514
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,960
I had Doctor William Lee who was
on my show talking about the 

515
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,800
causes of disease and he was 
saying how he actually scrubbed 

516
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,960
in on a colonoscopy FMT. 
So there's two roots of FMT. 

517
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,920
One's going to be an oral 
capsule, which sounds really 

518
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,400
gross, but that's what it is. 
They take the stool and the 

519
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,880
feces and spit it out and 
extract the microbes and put 

520
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,400
them in these resistant capsules
to get it in culture in your 

521
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,040
gut. 
The other one which now looking 

522
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,160
at his colonoscopy to actually 
go in and flush and clean out as

523
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,560
much stool and bacteria from the
colon as possible and implant 

524
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,880
stool from another healthy donor
or your super donors and they 

525
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,760
have actually fully reversed 
Parkinson's and even a case of 

526
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,920
cancer was completely reversed 
and cured through this FMT. 

527
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,200
And so again cancer is an 
inflammatory condition. 

528
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,640
So if it starts in the gut, it 
makes sense that altering the 

529
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,760
Biome will help reverse these 
diseases. 

530
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,680
And that's what we're working on
right now in my specialty here 

531
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,360
with inflammatory bowel disease,
Crohn's colitis is what changes 

532
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,920
do we need to make on a cellular
and microbiological level to get

533
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,880
people to reverse these diseases
and stay in permanent remission.

534
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,680
There's there's so much to it, 
man. 

535
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,880
Like people need to take a very 
measured approach to any 

536
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,120
manipulations they're making 
with their gut health, I'm 

537
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,280
assuming. 
So like a lot of people will do 

538
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,040
these these cleanses or they'll 
do like they'll they'll take 

539
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,640
enemas, coffee enemas, all water
enemas. 

540
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,720
That's become popular and a lot 
of a lot of subgroups that could

541
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,960
probably do a lot more harm than
good if they're riding 

542
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,760
themselves of all the good 
bacteria they do have. 

543
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,680
Like how? 
How does one go about measuring 

544
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,040
and determining what steps to 
take here? 

545
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,480
That's a great question. 
Before I do that, I want to put 

546
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,120
one caveat in place. 
Please do not aim to modify your

547
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:03,240
own bacteria, especially if you 
detect problems on your own. 

548
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,520
It can be very detrimental. 
We've seen cases of death from 

549
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,880
it. 
We've seen all kinds of disease 

550
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,280
introduction. 
There was a fella in Toronto. 

551
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,920
It's actually on a documentary 
fun one called Designer Shit and

552
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,240
it's this woman who goes through
and she actually alters her own.

553
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,400
She has ulcerative colitis and 
takes her husband's stool and 

554
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,000
does her homemade FMT and she 
did what she could to do some 

555
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,480
measurement to make sure things 
were healthy. 

556
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,320
But it is highly risky without a
professional and you can cause a

557
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,760
lot of problems. 
This one gentleman actually used

558
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,040
stool from his mom also got 
lucky, says he cured his 

559
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,360
ulcerative colitis but he 
actually picked up her menopause

560
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:40,840
symptoms with hot flashes and 
you know and ADHD and lack of 

561
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,840
focus. 
So measuring. 

562
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,760
Very very cool tool, but please 
take heed when doing it 

563
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,360
yourself. 
It can be very dangerous. 

564
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,800
Don't eat so in an unsupervised 
environment. 

565
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,600
That's exactly it. 
If you're gonna eat, poop, do 

566
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,960
it. 
Do it with a professional. 

567
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,560
And so her FMT She'd actually 
done retention. 

568
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,800
Enemas is what it was, but oral 
administration seems to be the 

569
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,440
preferred route as of late. 
But here's my thoughts on that. 

570
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,640
So we can measure. 
So we talked briefly about a GI 

571
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,040
map right measurement. 
That's what we do, is a stool 

572
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,280
sample goes to the lab. 
There's different types of maps.

573
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,640
Ones I tend to like to use are 
Q, PCR, DNA stool analysis. 

574
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,080
There are some labs like 
Doctor's Data that will do them,

575
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:25,720
but they are qualitative. 
So we give you a +1234. 

576
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,920
So yeah, Streptococcus species 
or Clostridium species plus 3 + 

577
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,440
4. 
So it gives you an idea. 

578
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,160
I like to use quantitative data,
so that's going to be things 

579
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,320
like Vibrant Wellness or 
diagnostic solutions where 

580
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,760
they'll actually tell you your 
culture count. 

581
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,400
They use APCR to actually 
replicate and count out the the 

582
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,640
strains of these things and show
you how many grams or how many 

583
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,480
bacteria per gram of stool 
etcetera. 

584
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,360
So it's a very cool measurement.
But the problem here again, we 

585
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:56,640
have 1 to 2000 species, 7 to 
9000 strains, which means 

586
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,200
upwards of about 18,000,000 
different types of bacteria. 

587
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,120
And This is why a lot of 
physicians tend not to use them.

588
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,040
It's just not solid enough, 
right. 

589
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,280
We can maybe see 50 to 100 
strains out of these upwards of 

590
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,400
18 ish million bacteria and and 
count them in data. 

591
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,360
Now, the good news is that what 
we can see on these stool 

592
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:18,240
samples we sent to the lab is 
it's very actionable. 

593
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,920
But again, it's stuff we know a 
lot about your Lactobacillus, 

594
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,280
your Bifidobacterium, your fecal
presidencies. 

595
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,320
And so there's all kinds of 
stuff we have a lot of research 

596
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,280
on. 
A lot is very actionable. 

597
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,800
We can know where it resides, a 
lot of the bacteria, where it 

598
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,760
comes from. 
But it goes beyond that. 

599
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,720
If somebody is showing a lot of 
imbalance in the bacteria, I see

600
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,920
it a lot in IBD cases. 
That's why most of them are 

601
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,200
inflamed, is we see a lot of 
imbalances in bacteria. 

602
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,720
But the question is, how did you
get there? 

603
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,920
I got one lady I'm working with 
right now. 

604
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,400
Over the last 3-4 years, her 
doctors gave her over 30 doses 

605
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,920
of antibiotics. 
Like, no wonder her guts a mess.

606
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,120
On the other hand, I've got a 
little boy I've been seeing for 

607
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,320
a little while now. 
He's five years old, turning 6 

608
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,440
soon, and he went in to see his 
doctor. 

609
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,200
Severe ulcerative colitis. 
OK, it's ulcerative colitis. 

610
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,000
It's autoimmune. 
There's nothing we can do. 

611
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,760
It is what it is. 
I'm sorry you got a bad luck in 

612
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,960
the draw, but here are some 
immunosuppressives and all kinds

613
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,880
of stuff we can give him to, you
know, make his life more 

614
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,360
comfortable. 
Well, we did a stool analysis. 

615
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,360
His gut bacteria was one of the 
worst I've ever seen at five 

616
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,880
years old. 
It doesn't make sense. 

617
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,440
There's has to be something else
going on. 

618
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,200
So we did a urine test and found
20 plus different strains of 

619
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,160
mold. 
Turns out the whole home, 

620
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,800
they're doing a complete 
remediation. 

621
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,040
They've moved out. 
They've been out of their home 

622
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,920
now for nine months, and that's 
at the time of us recording. 

623
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,040
And they're working on getting 
the mold out because the system 

624
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,840
was full of it. 
And that's what altered has got 

625
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,200
bacteria. 
And so when doctors say there's 

626
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,160
really nothing we can do, I say 
bullshit. 

627
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,760
We're just not looking in the 
right places. 

628
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,280
Either we don't want to, or we 
don't have the education or they

629
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,800
don't have the time to educate 
themselves as another problem. 

630
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,960
But that's sort of what we do in
measurement. 

631
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,800
We have to measure #1. 
But two, if it's out of place, 

632
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,200
we have to go through an 
extremely thorough history. 

633
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,680
We can use organic acid testing.
We can use different types of 

634
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,880
lab work to figure out the most 
probable explanation as to 

635
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,360
what's a causing the 
inflammation and or B causing 

636
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,520
changes in your gut bacteria 
leading to further inflammation.

637
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,640
I know there's been multiple 
companies that have come out of 

638
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,520
the woodwork lately to analyze 
DNA, kind of take the the raw 

639
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,320
23andMe genetic data and then 
you know, summarize what that 

640
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,160
could potentially mean for you, 
how to turn on and turn off 

641
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,280
those various snips. 
And I know there's been some 

642
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,240
companies crop up that do 
something similar from a a gut 

643
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,800
microbiome standpoint. 
Are there any particular ones 

644
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,800
that you would recommend that 
vouch for, present good data in 

645
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,120
an actual format, or is that 
still the wild frontier? 

646
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,040
Now, are you talking about 
biomes or DNA testing? 

647
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,240
Biomes similar to what they've 
done with the DNA testing. 

648
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,400
Yeah, I mean, I'm a big fan of, 
you know, looking at things like

649
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,520
Mosaic, Vibrant Wellness 
diagnostic solutions. 

650
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,680
Those are sort of my go TOS 
right now. 

651
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,720
There's a lot of them out there.
Precision Point has some really 

652
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,200
great stuff, but all of them 
have different tests. 

653
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,320
So for example, one of the tests
from Vibrant Wellness, we do an 

654
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,240
Oats test, that's your organic 
acid test. 

655
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,760
That may not be as accurate in 
some regards as maybe one from 

656
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,160
Mosaic. 
And so really getting to know 

657
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,680
your labs does make a difference
as a practitioner because they 

658
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,920
they present different points of
data and different levels of 

659
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,960
accuracy. 
And so there are a lot of tests 

660
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,880
that will recommend the 
challenges for your general 

661
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,760
population. 
You have to have a practitioner 

662
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,000
like myself or a functional 
medicine Doctor Who works in 

663
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,120
your area or all over the world 
that can actually get these 

664
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,520
tests and help you find a 
solution because they are behind

665
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,680
locked doors. 
Because I consult for a lot of 

666
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,480
doctors, I do have access to a 
lot of these labs like Precision

667
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,680
Point. 
You have to be a physician. 

668
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,760
I was able to get an account, 
but without access like that you

669
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,520
you can't get a lot of these 
proper tests done. 

670
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,200
Yeah, totally makes sense. 
Are there any? 

671
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,000
Like, given all that we don't 
know about proper gut health, 

672
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,520
are there any hard yeses and 
hard Nos that you can 

673
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,520
confidently say? 
For instance, obviously alcohol 

674
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,680
is probably not going to be the 
best thing for gut microbiome 

675
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,360
health. 
What about things like fermented

676
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,000
foods? 
Is that going to yield a net 

677
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,840
positive for everybody? 
Like what? 

678
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,680
What are some hard yeses and 
hard noses that we can 

679
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,680
confidently speak on? 
100% alcohol. 

680
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,800
You know, we used to say that 
little bit is good for you or 

681
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,960
it's, you know, the red wine is 
good for the antioxidants 

682
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,320
resveratrol. 
That's all been fully debunked, 

683
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,680
that the risks and problems are 
not worth the reward by any 

684
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,920
means. 
You can get those anthocyanins 

685
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,280
and resveratrol from other 
places and even a straight 

686
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,440
supplement now, so we don't need
the alcohol. 

687
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,320
There are zero benefits from 
alcohol human body if anything 

688
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,440
is detrimental and directly 
linked to other problems. 

689
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,480
So that's one other challenge we
have is manufacturers, 

690
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,760
producers, food companies will 
pay for studies to be done and 

691
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,240
that's where the financial bias 
comes in. 

692
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,720
The information trickles to the 
public. 

693
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,440
We just hear the 1 cherry on 
top. 

694
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,160
Oh alcohol, I love alcohol and I
can get antioxidants. 

695
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,600
Hell yeah, give me the wine and 
it's extraordinarily 

696
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,560
detrimental. 
That study was paid for by, say,

697
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,720
a wine producer. 
And so we're cherry picking data

698
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,720
without considering or purposely
leaving stuff out. 

699
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,040
So alcohol's number 1, #2 sugar.
Now, there are different types 

700
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,960
of sugar, right? 
Of course, you refine sugars, 

701
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,720
your table sugars, even, you 
know, we look at us like cane 

702
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,240
sugar. 
It's all highly acidic sugar. 

703
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,440
It's all concentrated forms. 
So I prefer things like stevia 

704
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,840
or natural sugars in fruit. 
Of course, as you would know 

705
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,800
with fibers, that can slow the 
absorption in imbalanced blood 

706
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,080
sugars. 
But if you have bacterial 

707
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,560
issues, if you have fungal 
issues, Candida or dysbiosis, 

708
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,880
like an overgrowth of a lot of 
opportunistic bacteria, any 

709
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,760
sugar at all is going to 
contribute to your problem. 

710
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,800
And that's very problematic for 
a lot of people not knowing 

711
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,480
what's actually going on. 
So even fruit sugar, I might 

712
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,000
remove fruits entirely for 6 to 
12 weeks. 

713
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,480
It depends. 
And other things you want to 

714
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,800
look at, of course, are going to
be gluten. 

715
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,680
Gluten is a hard no for 
everyone, always, Doctor Tom 

716
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,920
O'Brien he told me. 
He says the people who get gut 

717
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,320
issues from gluten are the lucky
ones because they can decipher 

718
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,800
that this is a problem. 
They understand they can feel it

719
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,480
by eating a bite of gluten that 
they balloon. 

720
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,560
But the people who are unlucky 
are the ones who can't tell. 

721
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,440
Maybe 3-4 days later you have a 
problem. 

722
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,400
And that's primarily because 
gluten, for example, your body 

723
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,320
identifies gluten protein as a 
pathogenic bacteria, as a as a 

724
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,520
toxic bug. 
And so when we talked about the 

725
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,880
digestive system, we talked 
about those Queens guard sitting

726
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,560
between the stomach and small 
intestine right there. 

727
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,760
It's called TLR 4. 
It's a Toll like receptor #4. 

728
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,800
I believe there's nine or 
eleven, I think there's nine in 

729
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,880
the body. 
But toll like receptor #4 sits 

730
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,360
between the stomach and the 
small intestine. 

731
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,800
And if you eat gluten, what they
do is actually look at that and 

732
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,920
go, OK, you're a problem. 
Better down than up. 

733
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,760
It might be a little bit easier.
So let's try that. 

734
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,360
They open the floodgates and 
they actually create leaky gut 

735
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,360
as a defense mechanism. 
They open the floodgates. 

736
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,760
They spread the cells inside the
gut lining. 

737
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,560
It actually allows water to come
in. 

738
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,760
That's why if you eat something 
you shouldn't, you get the runs 

739
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,520
within like 10 minutes. 
That is your body's toll like 

740
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,640
receptors opening the floodgates
to try to wash like putting your

741
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,920
thumb over the top of the hose 
right to create pressure and 

742
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,880
power washer driveway. 
Same thing happens in the gut is

743
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,280
trying to flush it out and 
that's what what gluten does to 

744
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,640
the body. 
It creates leaky gut. 

745
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,120
Now we heard the term leaky gut.
In this context it's a good 

746
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,760
thing. 
It is beneficial. 

747
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,800
Your body's saying I want to get
rid of you. 

748
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,240
The problem is chronic 
inflammation leads to sustained 

749
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:24,120
leaky gut, which leads to 
sustained issues in a bi 

750
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,600
directional flow. 
Not just water coming in, but 

751
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,200
toxins leaking out. 
And that's the problem. 

752
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,320
So alcohol, sugar, gluten. 
Hard. 

753
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,960
No. 
Second to that would be as an 

754
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,600
overarching rule. 
If your great, great, great 

755
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,600
grandmother would not recognize 
it as an edible piece of food, 

756
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,080
we probably shouldn't eat it. 
It's as simple as that. 

757
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,840
I know nobody likes it. 
It's not a sexy answer, but it's

758
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,280
meat, fruit, vegetables, 
whatever it is you're eating, 

759
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,520
that's where you want to go to. 
And those are sort of my four 

760
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,080
points of contact, I'll say, 
around food and edibles. 

761
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,160
What about hard yeses? 
Are there any for sure? 

762
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,800
Hey, your your body's going to 
benefit if you consume this on a

763
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,760
regular basis. 
Fat and meat every single time. 

764
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,960
It is the most bioavailable. 
All the studies that are coming 

765
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,080
out, there's so much information
out there but the benefits of 

766
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,640
red meat. 
And even Harvard published a 

767
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,720
really embarrassing study 
recently, earlier this year that

768
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:19,320
was showing the how harmful red 
meat was and diabetes and waste 

769
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,520
circumference and all these 
things. 

770
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,440
But their classification for raw
meat or sorry red meat was 

771
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,640
lasagna and sandwiches as 
opposed to eating a salad with 

772
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,640
like olive oil. 
So even the data they're 

773
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,040
collecting is is pretty biased. 
And so I'm a big fan of doctors 

774
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,160
like Anthony Chafee who do talk 
about the carnivore diet. 

775
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,240
I'm not strict carnivore. 
I'll consume fruit, I eat very 

776
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,160
little vegetables, but mostly 
red meat. 

777
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,200
And I did AGI map earlier this 
year when I was dealing with 

778
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,840
some gut issues myself. 
Came up high stress period, lots

779
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,520
going on. 
Had surgery earlier in the year 

780
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,120
which required a lot of 
antibiotic use. 

781
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,160
They put in a big sinus 
infection and issues there. 

782
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,840
But my gut Biome was a bit of a 
mess. 

783
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,200
I've been carnivore, almost 
strictly carnivore. 

784
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,000
I think I went 12 weeks strict 
carnivore. 

785
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,360
Then after that I introduced 
some fruit. 

786
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,400
But about eight months on an 
animal based a carnivore diet 

787
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,360
and my Biome has never looked 
better. 

788
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,840
I just submitted A stool sample,
got it back about 3-4 weeks ago 

789
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,880
and it's never looked better. 
And so it's interesting to say 

790
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,640
that we need fiber, we need 
plants, we need these things. 

791
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,960
Now fibers become an essential 
nutrient. 

792
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,200
Literally putting sawdust inside
our food like wood isn't food, 

793
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,000
right? 
It's a building material. 

794
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,040
It's it's it's cellulose for for
rabbits maybe, and other 

795
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,840
craters, but humans can't digest
it. 

796
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,400
And so now that we're adding all
this fiber to things, just 

797
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,280
because it's cellulose, we're 
getting a lot more junk in our 

798
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,920
food. 
And so my yeses are animal 

799
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,160
products, eggs, meat, fat, 
butter or ghee. 

800
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,640
Olive oil is a pretty remarkable
substance, has all kinds of 

801
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,280
antimicrobial and healing 
properties. 

802
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,440
So that's sort of my go to 
yeses. 

803
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,520
Now we're definitely speaking 
the same language there. 

804
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,120
I think all the benefits of 
fiber far more so, not because 

805
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,040
fiber Internet itself is grand 
for our body, but it helps 

806
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,400
mitigate the adverse response 
that comes from eating all the 

807
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,040
other crap and just pushes that 
through at a better rate. 

808
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,360
Yeah, I mean, it's an 
interesting argument to say eat 

809
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,000
fiber because you can't break it
down. 

810
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,440
You need it. 
So it kind of scrapes the 

811
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,040
insides and you know, it's good 
for you. 

812
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,480
On the other hand, they'll also 
in the same breast, say don't 

813
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,960
eat meat because you can't break
it down. 

814
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,280
So do we eat fiber because we 
can't break it down or not eat 

815
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,440
meat because we can't break it 
down? 

816
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,480
Like you can't have both in in 
my argument. 

817
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,720
I'm not necessarily saying 
everyone should be carnivore 

818
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:27,480
always. 
I'm actually very much in the 

819
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,560
middle. 
I've had people with very poor 

820
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,840
guts like in severe gut disease 
who I've tried on carnivore and 

821
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,480
they've done well based on their
their Biome profiles. 

822
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,880
Other I've given them more of a 
plant based diet and they've 

823
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,120
done really well. 
Everybody responds differently. 

824
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,880
I don't think it's so much per 
SE the foods, I think one, GMO 

825
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,040
is a big problem. 
Two, we're eating a lot of foods

826
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,600
that never existed in the human 
diet. 

827
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,600
And three, I don't think it's 
the foods as much being the 

828
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,880
problem as it is. 
Excuse me, as it is the food 

829
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,680
production. 
Food production is a mess again,

830
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,200
pesticides, GMOs, mono cropping 
storage processes, the mold 

831
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,160
risk, and things like peanut 
butter and chickpeas and coffee.

832
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,200
Like it's immense. 
And so it's this mega 

833
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,000
manufacturing and mono cropping 
that is the problem. 

834
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,400
It's how we're growing our food,
I believe to be more of a 

835
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,440
problem than the food itself. 
We're now growing food inside of

836
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,720
dirt, right? 
We used to grow it inside of 

837
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,760
soil. 
And by that I mean carbon 

838
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,000
cycling, biogeochemical cycling.
If you have a bioregenerative 

839
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,960
farm, right? 
You'll look at Rob, you have an 

840
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,080
apple tree. 
Apple falls off the tree, It 

841
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,440
decomposes in the grass. 
The grass grows from that dirt. 

842
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:33,680
And then the cow eats the grass 
and you eat the cow. 

843
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,680
So you've now gotten all those 
nutrients combined into you, but

844
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,720
now it's just dirt. 
We till the soil, the the top 

845
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,840
layer is dead. 
There's no microbes in it. 

846
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,560
There's no life in it. 
There's no nutrients. 

847
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,360
It's artificially grown with 
fertilizers and sprayed full of 

848
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,760
chemicals to make it grow and 
produce a crop and the nutrient 

849
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,200
value is destroyed. 
And I think those are more of a 

850
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,640
problem to our health than the 
actual plants themselves. 

851
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,440
That's my my first instinct 
thought on it. 

852
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:02,720
But again, some doctors will 
disagree about defense 

853
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:04,320
mechanisms of plants and all 
that, so. 

854
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,200
This is where intuitive Eating 
comes in, and that's a sort of a

855
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,560
whole nother topic, but 
definitely an interesting point 

856
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,800
of discussion. 
No, I'm, I'm definitely picking 

857
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,880
up what you're putting down. 
I'm in agreement for sure. 

858
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,480
Have you had anybody that's seen
a significant decline in 

859
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,200
microbiome health with a 
carnivore approach? 

860
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,600
No, no, I've not at all. 
And that's another interesting 

861
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,000
point is why and how right do 
they sort of sustain themselves?

862
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,640
Can they use all the nutrients 
and meat to to sustain 

863
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,200
themselves? 
We've been told we need 

864
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,280
prebiotics, we need fermentable 
carbohydrates, we need things 

865
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,040
they can turn into short chain 
fatty acids, you know, resistant

866
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,320
starches and all these things. 
But some of the healthiest 

867
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,960
people I've seen are an animal 
based or carnivore diet. 

868
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,400
And so that begs to differ or 
begs the question rather how do 

869
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,760
we differ these diets from a 
plant based diet where we study 

870
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,640
the microbiome to doctors saying
will it actually be knowing what

871
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,280
we know now? 
They will argue it is inhumane 

872
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,840
and borderline should be illegal
to do a carnivore diet and test 

873
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,720
people because of how hard red 
meat and other things is on the 

874
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,520
diet. 
But I mean since the 1800s 

875
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,280
they've used a red meat diet in 
water to cure Crohn's disease. 

876
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,880
So what is it we're missing and 
what sort of data are we 

877
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,080
neglecting to gather by not 
testing biomes and stools on a 

878
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,200
mass scale using an animal based
or carnivore diet? 

879
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,480
There's much less money to be 
made, man. 

880
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,920
That's why there's not incentive
there. 

881
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,000
Unfortunately, that's exactly 
it. 

882
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Artificial food is where it's 
at. 

883
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,680
Yeah, regular farming, there's 
there's very little money in it 

884
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,680
and that's why these lab grown 
meats, the profit margins are so

885
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,440
high. 
But again, it's just dead tissue

886
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,160
inside of of that often made 
from, you know what would 

887
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,640
arguably be cancerous or 
precancerous cells to get them 

888
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,480
to grow so rapidly. 
But we're not getting real food 

889
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,360
anymore. 
Like humans were never meant to 

890
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,760
eat like this man. 
Totally. 

891
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,840
If someone is going to be 
consuming a lot more vegetation,

892
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,200
are they better off going the 
route of fermented foods like 

893
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,680
the sauerkrauts and kimchi, 
things of that nature? 

894
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,040
That's going to be easier to 
absorb than, say, a raw 

895
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,760
vegetarian approach. 
You know, I used to say raw. 

896
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,280
I was actually conventionally 
trained. 

897
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,160
As a nutritionist. 
I was trained go raw, right? 

898
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,880
Eat as many raw, real organic 
foods as you can and I'm seeing 

899
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,200
whether or not a healthy gut 
could do it to be determined. 

900
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,200
You know, that's something else 
that's really interesting. 

901
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,120
People argue they feel great on 
a raw diet. 

902
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,080
I think it's because what 
they've done is eliminated a lot

903
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,680
of the junk really. 
But I've known a lot of people 

904
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,320
who went raw vegan and got 
horribly, I'll I mean, famous 

905
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,800
person right away is David Dave 
Asprey, right? 

906
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,280
He went raw vegan and he never 
felt worse in his life. 

907
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,040
I tried it and I felt horrific. 
It's when I went animal based, I

908
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,720
felt better And so it's really 
interesting to say should we eat

909
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,120
raw or not. 
I think humans, if you're going 

910
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,760
to eat vegetables, should be 
cooked. 

911
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,040
I think fruit is definitely a 
lot easier to eat raw. 

912
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,120
Some will argue eat it cooked, 
it just depends on the current 

913
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,800
state of your gut. 
But I will never ever advocate 

914
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,200
for a raw vegan diet. 
Knowing what I know about health

915
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,600
and science and gut disease 
specializing in it, I'll never 

916
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,160
recommend a raw vegan diet. 
Yeah, What about raw meat? 

917
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,760
That's been kind of like a 
popular trend as well. 

918
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,360
Like, some argue that when you 
cook the meat, you're able to 

919
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,000
have better absorption of the 
nutrients. 

920
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,360
Some say that the exact opposite
is true, and if you're eating 

921
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,440
raw meat, you're going to be 
able to simulate those nutrients

922
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,080
better than what what What's the
gut microbiome say? 

923
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,600
That's a good question and 
that's something that is just 

924
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,360
not enough data on unfortunately
right now and a lot of these 

925
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,840
studies that we look for and 
what we're really conditioned in

926
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,120
the society as well where we 
want to prove really causation, 

927
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,520
not just correlation. 
It's just not enough for us 

928
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:33,720
anymore. 
It has to be measured. 

929
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,000
And so I would argue to say that
a raw meat diet, provided it's, 

930
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,600
you know, a clean and and 
sustainable source, is probably 

931
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,440
great. 
But I don't, I don't know if in 

932
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,240
our world anymore raw meat is 
going to be OK. 

933
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:47,080
I sure as shit would not eat raw
meat from like, Safeway, right? 

934
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,360
I wouldn't do that at all. 
If I was growing my own cattle 

935
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,320
and I was to eat it, I'd be more
inclined. 

936
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,840
On the other hand, I've also 
known people who went out 

937
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,720
hunting, you know, grabbed a 
wild buck and the meat was raw 

938
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,480
and they got very, very, very 
sick because that animal was 

939
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,360
carrying a pathogen or a 
parasite or something else that 

940
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,120
caused the problem. 
So I would say just from a 

941
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,920
health and safety standpoint, 
microbiome aside that consuming 

942
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,200
raw meat is but much better, 
sorry, cooked meat is a much 

943
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,560
better option than raw just for 
safety. 

944
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,480
But whether or not it benefits 
the Biome differently, that's 

945
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,960
some some research I'd be very 
interested in seeing. 

946
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,160
It would just be very difficult 
to get a a big enough scale of 

947
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,800
people to actually study pre and
post and keep track of raw meat 

948
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,280
to give them grocery store meat 
versus farm grown meat versus 

949
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,840
you know, wild game and haunted.
And it can be very, very 

950
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,720
difficult study to do. 
Yeah, it is interesting though. 

951
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,400
I've been kind of gravitating 
more towards not necessarily raw

952
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,520
but minimally cooked meats. 
But at at the same time, I've 

953
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,360
definitely known the source of 
those meats. 

954
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,200
I've either haunted it and 
killed it myself. 

955
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,280
I've known the farmer, the 
rancher. 

956
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,960
That's definitely not something 
that I would do or advocate for 

957
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,040
a big box conventional grocery 
store. 

958
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,680
I agree entirely. 
I know where my food comes from.

959
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,240
I know the farmers. 
I go to the farm myself to pick 

960
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:02,320
it up. 
I go to the ranch. 

961
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,960
And so, you know, I know where 
all of it's coming from. 

962
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,720
And that makes a big difference.
Excuse me? 

963
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:12,040
It makes a very big difference. 
What about seed oil? 

964
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,680
So that's another point of 
contention right now in the 

965
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,720
space. 
What is that doing to the gut 

966
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,920
microbiome specifically? 
It's like 1 SEC. 

967
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,640
It's got a scratching the 
throat. 

968
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,920
Hey, no worries, no worries. 
Especially as it depends like 

969
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,960
cooking in certain oils and fats
and like whether or not you cook

970
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,800
above that smoke point. 
Does it turn it into a trans 

971
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,080
fat? 
What's that doing to the gut 

972
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,160
microbiome like that? 
That's a big point of contention

973
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,840
right now, so I'd be keen to get
your take on it. 

974
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,440
Yeah, I'm a vehement. 
They get seed oils. 

975
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,160
It doesn't make any sense, the 
manufacturing process. 

976
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,000
And here's the thing, there's a 
lot of people right now will say

977
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,560
again, it's correlation, 
causation. 

978
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,400
We have the study that shows 
seed oils are just fine, but 

979
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,280
they are extraordinarily high in
Omega 6. 

980
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,200
Now can the average body handle 
high Omega six? 

981
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,000
No, because 92 to 97% of us are 
not metabolically healthy 

982
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,120
anymore. 
And so again, but not just 

983
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,240
metabolism in the weight gain, 
weight loss scenario, it's our 

984
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:07,520
entire cellular Wellness. 
Every, every chemical or 

985
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,000
biological process used to 
maintain life, that is 

986
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,040
metabolism. 
And so our metabolisms are so 

987
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,840
full of junk that we can't 
handle these things. 

988
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,720
I mean, and back in 2000 and 
four 2005, the Red Cross did a 

989
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,400
study where they took a bunch of
freshly cut umbilical cords. 

990
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,840
They grabbed 10 of them and they
found an average of 256 toxic 

991
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,600
chemicals inside a freshly cut 
umbilical cord, which is 

992
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,880
staggering. 
I mean 180 were known to cause 

993
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,360
cancer, 217 were toxic to the 
brain and nervous system, 208 

994
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,200
caused birth defects or abnormal
development. 

995
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,800
And these are in like brand new 
babies. 

996
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,840
And so could we handle higher 
Omega sixes if we were maybe in 

997
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,080
a better metabolic state? 
Perhaps. 

998
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,840
But are all of us highly 
inflamed and full of so much 

999
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,360
junk that adding more of these 
negative Omega sixes in higher 

1000
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,720
amounts like seed oils, which I 
believe would be a better oil in

1001
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,840
your car than in your body, Then
you know it's nonsense. 

1002
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,640
And so looking at these fried 
oils, looking at the amount of 

1003
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,880
trans fats, looking at 
hydrogenated oils, that's a big 

1004
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,840
one. 
I mean, we look at any 

1005
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,640
hydrogenation will produce trans
fats every single time. 

1006
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,480
It's a chemical process with a 
basically just blow hydrogen 

1007
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,080
through something and it 
attaches to all your carbon 

1008
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,280
chains and so instead of this 
squiggly non stacking oil that 

1009
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,040
will actually make like an oil 
like you get from olive oil, it 

1010
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,600
turns into a thick margarine 
where all these lines, these 

1011
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,440
these chemical structures are 
more straight and so they stack 

1012
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,760
like paper. 
That's how you get your 

1013
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,840
margarine. 
They always create trans fats, 

1014
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,600
even if they say trans fat free,
they've modified it even further

1015
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,680
in some way or change the 
serving size to show no trans 

1016
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,200
fats per that serving size and 
that's very problematic as well 

1017
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,560
as more deception by the food 
industry. 

1018
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,680
So long about answer are seed 
oils safe? 

1019
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,720
There are a lot of people who 
would argue yes, but the 

1020
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:56,440
correlation is just so strong. 
We've only been eating them for 

1021
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,960
50 to 70 years. 
We cannot say for sure they are 

1022
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:02,800
safe and the risk profile just 
doesn't make sense knowing what 

1023
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,840
we know about processed foods. 
Yeah, I'm in complete agreement.

1024
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,560
What are some good proxies 
people can use for kind of 

1025
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,360
analyzing their own health and 
being objective? 

1026
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,520
Like like regularity for 
instance? 

1027
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,720
As simple as that may sound, is 
there like a general rule of 

1028
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:20,200
thumb as to what a healthy 
frequency for regularity would 

1029
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,360
be, or is that going to be 
incredibly dependent upon the 

1030
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,000
individual? 
I don't think this is dependent,

1031
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,200
as doctors say, even GI 
specialists, and this is what 

1032
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,480
shocks me. 
Gastroenterologists will tell 

1033
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,880
you one bowel boon every couple 
of days is fine. 

1034
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:38,440
If you are not having at least 
minimum of one fully formed easy

1035
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,440
bowel movement every single day.
Or you wipe, it's one or two 

1036
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,200
wipes and you're clean, then you
are having a problem of some 

1037
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,920
kind, some sort of dysfunction. 
If it's really sticky, if it's, 

1038
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,160
you know you're having, like I 
said, less than one, some people

1039
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,800
up to three. 
That's pretty normal, right? 

1040
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,320
Dogs, babies, they eat, they 
poop. 

1041
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,200
So one to three could be argued 
to be normal. 

1042
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,160
I do have less obviously on a 
carnivore diet, you know, maybe 

1043
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,880
two a day instead of three or 
four like I used to with a plant

1044
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,800
based diet. 
And that's just strictly do the 

1045
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,400
bulk and the fiber and how 
things are moving through or not

1046
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,360
digesting. 
But if you're having anything 

1047
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,960
outside of that, you have a 
problem. 

1048
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,720
If you are dealing with a bit of
looseness, if you're dealing 

1049
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:19,000
with sensitivity, if you're 
dealing with any kind of bloat, 

1050
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,920
any irritability, any acid 
reflux, I mean, 72, upwards of 

1051
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,000
72% of Americans complain of gut
issues once a week. 

1052
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,960
That's your Constipation, 
diarrhoea, gas bloat, pain, 

1053
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,840
cramping something. 
And if we look at the severity 

1054
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,640
spectrum and here's where it 
gets wild, Rob. 

1055
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:40,360
When I look at my speciality of 
Crohn's and colitis, we have in 

1056
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,760
1990, there was roughly 1 1/2 to
3,000,000 cases of IBD worldwide

1057
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,440
according to the CDC. 
Today it's 7,000,000 / 50% of 

1058
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,880
those cases are in the USA 
alone. 

1059
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:57,560
In the USA is 5% of the globe. 
So with 72% of Americans dealing

1060
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:02,520
with gut issues and now when 5% 
of the world has 50% of the 

1061
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,800
disease, we can see the slippery
slope of gut problems happening.

1062
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:09,720
And so we talked about what kind
of gut issue should be aware of.

1063
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,320
Anything outside of the normal 
can put you on a slippery slope 

1064
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,680
to developing severe gut disease
down the road, be it months or 

1065
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,440
years. 
It's all relative and it's not 

1066
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,800
really dependent on the 
individual. 

1067
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,880
We're all so similarly built. 
Mechanically speaking, you 

1068
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,600
should be one to three a day 
with I'll pain very easy, no 

1069
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,200
blow eating food, high energy, 
good focus, mental clarity, no 

1070
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,160
skin issues. 
These types of things should be 

1071
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,520
very very easy and normal. 
It is crazy how accepting people

1072
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:42,000
are of just, you know, bloat, 
pain, discomfort, acid reflux, 

1073
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,040
that they just all assume that's
just normal. 

1074
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,640
They'll run to Walgreens, grab 
some Pepto Bismol and call it 

1075
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,520
good and. 
Which is the worst? 

1076
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,400
I hate antacids. 
Yeah, but I mean, I can't. 

1077
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,720
I like since I adopted the 
ketogenic down, like I don't 

1078
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:56,440
have any gas, I don't have any 
cramping, I don't have any 

1079
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,920
bloat. 
Like all that's just gone. 

1080
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,280
Like people just realized how 
much better they felt when that 

1081
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,720
was not even part of the 
equation. 

1082
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,720
That alone would be a reason to 
stick with it. 

1083
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,120
Yeah, well, one of the issues is
1. 

1084
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,760
The education is precipitated by
the medical professional. 

1085
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,960
Like I had one lady, she came 
in. 

1086
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,800
I'll tell you Rob, she had one 
bowel movement every four weeks,

1087
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,200
once a month. 
Can you imagine the backup, the 

1088
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,080
solidity she had chronic 
migraines. 

1089
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,040
She had all should have colitis.
She had all these issues. 

1090
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,200
Her doctor wasn't that 
concerned. 

1091
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,120
It's like, well, you have, you 
see these things are going to 

1092
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,040
happen. 
Like this lady's on the brink of

1093
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,880
death. 
You need to be cleaning out 

1094
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,880
those toxins and purging stuff. 
3 weeks later she's having three

1095
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,240
to five bowel movements a day. 
Like we loosened her right up. 

1096
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,720
No problem, no medication. 
It can be done. 

1097
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,160
But the problem with this is 
because up to 9090 to 97% of 

1098
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,560
people are not metabolically 
healthy, 72% complaining of 

1099
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,560
regular gut issues. 
We've now taken common and 

1100
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,160
accepted it as a normal, and 
that's a very big problem. 

1101
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,680
We do it all the time even in 
blood work when we see patient 

1102
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,600
blood labs. 
You know I had a client of mine 

1103
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,520
who went back and she got a 
thyroid checked and her TSH that

1104
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,920
thyroid stimulating hormone 
normal used to be between one 

1105
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,720
and 4.5 or was it goes one and 
four and she got hers back. 

1106
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:11,120
It was like 6.1. 
The doctor said, oh you're fine 

1107
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,120
it's within normal range well 
over that year for when she got 

1108
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,160
hers done in July of 2022 to 
when it came back in January of 

1109
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,000
2023. 
They've changed the reference 

1110
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:26,280
range from 1:00 to 4:00 to 1 to 
6.5 S They added 67% extra 

1111
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,520
leeway because they took the 
normal population of sick 

1112
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,160
people, the common population, 
and said, well, here's our new 

1113
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,440
reference range. 
So we're constantly measuring 

1114
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,640
our Wellness based on sick 
people. 

1115
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,400
We're going to continue to get 
sick results and we're going to 

1116
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,080
continue to make people sicker 
and sicker. 

1117
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,000
And This is why we'll say, yeah,
123, you know, one bowel 

1118
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,640
movement every couple of days is
normal. 

1119
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,280
And say, yeah, common is normal 
because everyone is sick, 

1120
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,120
because our sliding scale of 
what's acceptable keeps getting 

1121
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,280
worse. 
And as a major problem, we're 

1122
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,320
going to drive ourselves into 
freaking extinction, man. 

1123
00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:59,360
Yeah, no, I totally agree, man. 
The there's just so many moving 

1124
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,400
targets out there right now and 
people have forgotten how to 

1125
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,920
just be intuitive and be 
objective and listen to their 

1126
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,080
own body. 
Like they don't even know how to

1127
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,520
do that and they'll turn to a 
doctor or medical professionals 

1128
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,080
get a skewed or biased approach.
And it's just it is a slippery 

1129
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,040
slope. 
It's very, very unfortunate. 

1130
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,960
And very, very dangerous. 
It's This is why diseases are on

1131
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,920
the rise, man. 
This is why, you know, we 

1132
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,000
celebrate things and saying, 
well, look at us here. 

1133
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,480
Now, in 2023-2024, we do such an
amazing job with cancer. 

1134
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,680
People are surviving. 
The survival rate is so much 

1135
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,280
more. 
Well, there's one stat. 

1136
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,320
The other stat is we have more 
cancer than ever before and 

1137
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,000
people are getting sicker, 
right. 

1138
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,760
So we're cherry picking our data
once again and celebrating wins 

1139
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,680
that should not be wins. 100% 
out of curiosity man, know what 

1140
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,040
you know. 
How do you structure your day of

1141
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,600
eating and frequency for 
instance? 

1142
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,360
Like I know you kind of say you 
certainly advocate for animal 

1143
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,880
based diets and predominantly 
don't use much besides some veg,

1144
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,800
same fruits from time to time, 
but what does that look like on 

1145
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,600
a day-to-day basis? 
Are you eating a lot of fish? 

1146
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,920
Are you predominantly red meat? 
You have much chicken, poultry, 

1147
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,680
things of that nature. 
Predominantly red meat, about 

1148
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,040
95% red meat. 
I'm not opposed to eating other 

1149
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,080
things I'm a big fan of like 
Benazzotti Keto Flex, where it's

1150
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,240
like flexing in and out of keto,
for example. 

1151
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,320
So I primarily do ride in Aikido
life. 

1152
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,880
I had this morning, for example,
I had about a half pound to a 

1153
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,120
pound of steak with butter and 
salt, and I'll eat that three 

1154
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,080
times a day. 
Sometimes I put yogurt on it. 

1155
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,000
Sometimes, you know, maybe for a
little snack we'll have half a 

1156
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,840
cup or a cup of frozen 
raspberries as a treat, things 

1157
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,560
like that. 
But I get everything I need from

1158
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,400
red meat and that's my personal 
diet. 

1159
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,000
And again, it's all grass fed, 
grass finished, organic, GMO 

1160
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,200
free, soy free, corn free, grain
free. 

1161
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,440
And really, it's not that much 
more expensive than the grocery 

1162
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,120
store because I drive to the 
farm and go direct from farm to 

1163
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,080
table and that's a much better 
option. 

1164
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,280
And so that's my personal diet. 
I might make a soup, you know, 

1165
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,600
if my wife is sick, I might make
chicken soup with rice and 

1166
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,080
carrots and celery and that's 
fine. 

1167
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,480
I'm not going to say no to 
vegetables. 

1168
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,160
If I go to my in laws, they're 
just not a regular part of my 

1169
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,520
diet and I've never been 
healthier. 

1170
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,960
I love it. 
Can you speak a little bit on 

1171
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,400
the the formation and creation 
of just butyrate butyric acid in

1172
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,040
a Diane that is predominantly 
red bean? 

1173
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,680
Yeah, well I mean your gut 
bacteria produce these post 

1174
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,080
biotics, right. 
They they create that. 

1175
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,280
So what they take in is they 
consume and they ferment like we

1176
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,040
talked about inside of the gut 
bacteria like the fishbowl. 

1177
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,800
So whatever you give them, they 
will then consume and if they 

1178
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,680
are healthy and you have these 
relatively normal levels, they 

1179
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,800
will produce them. 
And what we used to believe was,

1180
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,840
OK, well your your bacteria need
food to poop, right? 

1181
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,600
They have to be fed these 
fibers, these starches, these 

1182
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,080
fermentable carbohydrates in 
order to ferment into short 

1183
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,720
chain fatty acids. 
But those are what keep the body

1184
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:49,720
healthy. 
Now on the other hand, if you 

1185
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:52,280
don't need these things coming 
in, how do you make them? 

1186
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,120
If your if your bacteria can 
sustain themselves, it becomes 

1187
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,160
its own ecosystem. 
If you are doing fasting, maybe 

1188
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,120
your bacteria are eating other 
things, maybe your cells they're

1189
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,680
consuming through autophagy and 
so things turn themselves over. 

1190
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,640
It's a very self regulating 
machine. 

1191
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,960
And so we talk about post 
biotics and things like 

1192
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,000
butyrate. 
We know there are specific 

1193
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,960
strains of bacteria that produce
these post biotics, right. 

1194
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:19,680
They create them by themselves. 
A really great example of a post

1195
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,680
or pre, sorry probiotic. 
We know that we're studying a 

1196
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,560
lot now with Acromancia. 
We know it balances things like 

1197
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:30,120
estrogen, We know it balances 
out your blood sugar metabolism.

1198
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,560
We know it produces benefits to 
the immune system. 

1199
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,200
And so it's in there, it's 
balancing itself. 

1200
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,280
It's very self regulating. 
And so it's really interesting 

1201
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,840
to see the research and I'd 
actually love to read more about

1202
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:45,000
exactly what these bacteria need
if any for food because they are

1203
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,480
so self-sufficient and 
self-sustaining that ecosystem. 

1204
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,040
Think about a pond, right, we 
don't need to put food into a 

1205
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,240
fish pond. 
If you have algae, if you have 

1206
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,640
bugs, if you have a normal 
ecosystem, it's very 

1207
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,000
self-sustaining. 
That's what terrariums are. 

1208
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,280
They're a self-sustaining 
ecosystem and I believe our guts

1209
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,360
can do that regardless of what 
we put in there, if they start 

1210
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,640
off the right way, from birth to
breastfeeding to life. 

1211
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,840
Yeah, totally, totally agree, 
man. 

1212
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,800
So no carbohydrates necessary, 
basically. 

1213
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,840
Basically, I mean, I don't think
we need them at all. 

1214
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,320
Look how many people are in a 
full ketogenic lifestyle for 

1215
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,040
years now? 
We do know if you're always in 

1216
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,120
keto, always in forever. 
There are correlations to cancer

1217
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,560
risk, but that's the point of 
keto flexing in and out. 

1218
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,160
You know, you're not going to 
get a tribe that goes through 

1219
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,640
running through the jungle and 
looks at fruit and goes, no, we 

1220
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,120
are keto, don't eat right 
though. 

1221
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,240
We're going to grab that and eat
it. 

1222
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,880
And so our bodies flex in and 
out of these states. 

1223
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,600
So is the question. 
No carbohydrates always in 

1224
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:40,600
forever? 
I'd say no. 

1225
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,640
These fruits and these things 
are made to be eaten. 

1226
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,600
But on the other hand, do we 
actually need them on a 

1227
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,440
day-to-day basis? 
Hell no. 

1228
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,120
You could go your entire life 
without a single carbohydrate. 

1229
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,280
You'd have a much better chance 
of survival and preventing 

1230
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,120
disease than you would without 
a, you know, go even a couple of

1231
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:58,880
weeks ago. 
Any fatter, any protein, you get

1232
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,480
very, very sick. 
And so do we need carbohydrates?

1233
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,640
I'd say arguably in small 
amounts here and there. 

1234
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,240
Do we need them every single 
day, forever and always? 

1235
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,320
No. 
Women, of course, are going to 

1236
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,840
be different biologically and 
hormonally, but for the most 

1237
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,720
part we can be in a keto 
lifestyle. 

1238
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,120
Yeah. 
And I don't think any of those 

1239
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,720
studies that indicate long term 
ketosis being, you know, cooler 

1240
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,080
to cancer are well designed 
studies in the 1st place. 

1241
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,760
So that's kind of a mute point 
to begin with. 

1242
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,400
Well, that's a lot of grey air 
and I totally agree. 

1243
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,880
And so that the data we pulls 
from the data we're given. 

1244
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,560
But like you said, if it's 
already kind of bastardized and 

1245
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,400
bias and, you know, skewed, then
like what good is it? 

1246
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,360
Is it a point of reference and 
consideration? 

1247
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,680
Sure. 
Is it something for us to maybe 

1248
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,440
look at and keep an eye on? 
Sure. 

1249
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,680
But can we use it as definitive 
data? 

1250
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,880
Absolutely not. 
Yeah, 100%. 

1251
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,440
Well, I'm, I'm curious man, 
what, what's in the pipeline for

1252
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:49,440
you? 
What are you excited about? 

1253
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,520
What research studies get your 
interest right now? 

1254
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:52,920
What? 
What are you diving into as we 

1255
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,120
go into the next year? 
Well, it's interesting. 

1256
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,920
So I've been pushed recently to 
write a book. 

1257
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,760
A lot of people have been asking
for it. 

1258
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,520
I met with Mark Devine. 
What I think was last week, I 

1259
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,200
don't know if you know him, he's
the Navy SEAL wrote unbeatable 

1260
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,960
mind and design SEAL fit. 
But interesting fella. 

1261
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,440
He says, tell you what man says 
when you write a book, we're 

1262
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,000
going to come back and have 
another conversation. 

1263
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,320
I said OK. 
And so I think a book coming up 

1264
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,920
is going to be interesting. 
I think I'd like to call it 

1265
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,720
antiquated medicine. 
Talking about how horrible our 

1266
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,240
system is and how we rely on all
this old stuff. 

1267
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,040
Got some neat stuff coming up 
going on a show with Doug 

1268
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,400
Kaufman, who created the Kaufman
Diet on Know the Cause. 

1269
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,120
Going to got some really great 
speaking events, doing some 

1270
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,760
traveling, going to seminars. 
So we got a lot of stuff. 

1271
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:38,960
We're just trying to get the 
word out. 

1272
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,400
My my whole mission is that 
diseases, especially autoimmune,

1273
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,240
digestive diseases like Crohn's 
and colitis don't fall to the 

1274
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,040
sky and drop on our head and 
come from nowhere. 

1275
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,320
There's always A cause. 
The problem is, medicine doesn't

1276
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,120
look for it. 
They just go, here's your 

1277
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,200
current symptoms, therefore 
here's your diagnosis. 

1278
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,480
And we give drugs 1-2 or three 
for that diagnosis. 

1279
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,160
It's cookbook, it's line cook. 
It is not critical thinking. 

1280
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,800
We want to go back to the roots 
and teach people to do that for 

1281
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,640
themselves, to understand it 
differently and really become 

1282
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,480
advocates. 
And so whether that's through 

1283
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,760
books or speaking or TV shows or
or podcasts, there's lots of 

1284
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,000
cool stuff coming up and we just
want to get the word out. 

1285
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,040
Yeah, I love it, man. 
I feel like this is a topic that

1286
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,480
is so misunderstood. 
So the more light that you can 

1287
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,160
bring to it, the more hopefully 
you open people's eyes and 

1288
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,440
minds. 
Because like we said in the very

1289
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,360
beginning, you can't really 
tease out gut health from 

1290
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,080
everything else. 
Like, it's all intertwined. 

1291
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,800
And if people start viewing it 
holistically as such, they're 

1292
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,440
likely going to start moving in 
the right direction. 

1293
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:37,920
So where? 
Where they're sourcing their 

1294
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,760
food, the types of foods they're
consuming, the toxins, their 

1295
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,800
environment. 
I mean, everything is all 

1296
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,360
interconnected and we have to 
live life accordingly. 

1297
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,160
Undoubtedly. 
I don't think I could have 

1298
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,760
wrapped it up better myself is 
that's exactly what it is. 

1299
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,840
When you are so convicted by 
knowledge, belief and 

1300
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,880
understanding, you move in 
accordance with that It becomes 

1301
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,600
your new law, your new rule for 
life. 

1302
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,760
When you realize that these 
pesticides are killing us, when 

1303
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,800
you realize that our circadian 
rhythms are a mess because we're

1304
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,920
all in the city, we're watching 
TV at night, we're eating late 

1305
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,560
at night, we're throwing off 
these rhythms. 

1306
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,520
We're not getting sleep or prone
to diseases. 

1307
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,400
It's really interesting. 
A lot of the health community 

1308
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,080
has more interest in actually 
moving out of the city day by 

1309
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,760
day, not just because 
homesteading is trendy, but 

1310
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,480
because it aligns with our 
beliefs and our values around 

1311
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,960
health and Wellness and getting 
back to nature. 

1312
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,600
And as society begins to move 
further and further away from 

1313
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,400
that original design, we health 
professionals tend to move 

1314
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,520
closer and closer to it. 
So it does create more of a gap 

1315
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,480
and more of a dichotomy, you 
know, between two different 

1316
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,080
types of communities. 
But I think it's really 

1317
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,320
interesting to see where it goes
and how much one can influence 

1318
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,600
the other. 
Yeah, I mean, it just feels 

1319
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,960
right to like when you're doing 
something that you know to be 

1320
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,200
true and pure and right. 
You just, you just know it. 

1321
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,280
And like when you're sitting 
around a campfire sharing a meal

1322
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,840
with people that you know you 
aspire to, to learn from and be 

1323
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,040
like, and you're eating a 
quality meal and you're looking 

1324
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,880
up at the stars because you're 
miles away from the city. 

1325
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,400
Like that just feels like it's 
primal, It's carnage. 

1326
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,160
It's like how we are supposed to
be as a species. 

1327
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,200
We've just removed ourselves 
from that environment. 

1328
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,640
But the more we can do to get 
closer to it, the better. 

1329
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,200
Yeah. 
And I got a philosophy, you 

1330
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,400
know, it's that we as human 
beings, the closer we get to 

1331
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,000
nature, the further we get from 
disease. 

1332
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,040
And I'll tell you why. 
You know, over sanitizing 

1333
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,560
everything 20/20 was a prime 
example of people getting sick 

1334
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,400
just from not getting outside, 
not getting sunlight, over 

1335
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,880
sanitizing everything. 
And that whole that whole forest

1336
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,080
was just people making 
themselves sick or really. 

1337
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,360
And so looking back, one of the 
things that that people can do 

1338
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,640
the most for themselves is to 
get outside, get into nature. 

1339
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,640
The people with the worst 
microbiomes and with that the 

1340
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,200
worst immune systems are those 
who are #1 born C-section, so 

1341
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,520
not vaginally. 
So again, a not a natural thing.

1342
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,720
Two who are bottle fed, not 
breast fed and they're going to 

1343
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,960
have horrific gut biomes and 
they're actually more inclined 

1344
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,440
to get, you know, to die of 
SIDS. 

1345
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,320
Babies who are who are bottle 
fed are twice as likely to die 

1346
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,120
from SIDS than babies who are 
breast fed. 

1347
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,080
And so that already starts right
out there. 

1348
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,800
Now, if you live in a city, if 
you work in an office building, 

1349
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,560
if you sit inside all day, you 
have one of the worst 

1350
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,040
microbiomes. 
But if you were born vaginally, 

1351
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,880
you came to the birth canal, you
were breast fed. 

1352
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,440
If you grew up on a farm, 
interacting with animals and 

1353
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,880
getting your hands in the dirt, 
your microbiome diversity is far

1354
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,360
more superior than to somebody 
on the other end of that 

1355
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,400
spectrum. 
And that's strictly because of 

1356
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,920
how we were designed to live in 
nature and engaging, interacting

1357
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,840
with nature, being outside, 
being in the dirt, you know, 

1358
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,400
working with animals, being on a
farm or consuming animal 

1359
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,520
products. 
That's how we introduce things 

1360
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,480
into our bodies. 
But these hyper sterilized 

1361
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,720
lifestyles, they just completely
work against us. 

1362
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,040
We're not introducing new life 
into our Meadow, into our forest

1363
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,360
of of bacteria so to speak. 
And so we're lacking a lot 

1364
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,800
really in in the world of health
and diversity based on our 

1365
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,760
modern lifestyles. 
And that's another driver for so

1366
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,680
much sickness and disease, a. 
100% and that's kind of what 

1367
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,280
we're touch touching on the very
beginning and our aspiration is 

1368
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:04,280
to kind of get into the home 
setting. 

1369
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,160
What what's the timeline like 
that for you? 

1370
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,920
Are you you going to be getting 
land anytime soon? 

1371
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,120
Yeah, we're actually seriously 
looking at getting some land 

1372
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,600
within the next year to year and
a half and having a home and 

1373
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,200
everything built up. 
It's just going to be a really 

1374
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:17,640
great question of what do we do 
with it. 

1375
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,400
You know, my dream would be to 
buy some land that's farmable 

1376
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,360
and that you know, we have some 
flexible zoning on that people 

1377
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,440
will come out and want to do 
retreats, come out to do 

1378
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,120
weddings, have some glamping, 
have some cabins and Airbnb's. 

1379
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,720
And you know whether it's a live
work type scenario and you have 

1380
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,120
people coming out, live on the 
land and working and it just 

1381
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,600
becomes a community. 
That's my dream and hopefully in

1382
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,160
the next couple of years we'll 
have that. 

1383
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,720
But it's something we are 
working and saving rigorously 

1384
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:45,000
toward because we believe that 
is where we're supposed to be 

1385
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,720
and that's where humans were 
designed for, is this very 

1386
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,800
natural lifestyle. 
In meeting with homesteaders and

1387
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,600
farmers like Joel Salatin and 
Jill Winger, they are phenomenal

1388
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,520
and they're super brilliant and 
they just talk about how getting

1389
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,840
back to nature and farming and 
working in outside is just some 

1390
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,600
of the most fulfilling. 
It gave them meaning, it gave 

1391
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,280
them purpose and it changed 
their health as well. 

1392
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,920
And so much comes from getting 
back to nature and then that's a

1393
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,680
dream that I want. 
The closer I get to that side of

1394
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,440
things, the deeper my 
understanding gets, the more I 

1395
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,240
am in this industry, the more 
that begins to align with my 

1396
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:19,960
values. 
And that's now we're actively 

1397
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:21,760
working towards. 
I love it, man. 

1398
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,120
Well, our dreams and our values 
are most definitely aligned. 

1399
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,080
So when you get that property, 
you let me know. 

1400
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,000
If there's anything I can do to 
help, by all means let me know. 

1401
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,320
And you are more than welcome to
come check out our operation 

1402
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,960
here because I think one of the 
main benefits that I've noticed 

1403
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,280
just simply in going the 
homesteading route is that the 

1404
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,280
people that are doing something 
similar and the sense of 

1405
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:43,520
camaraderie and community that 
comes with that is pretty much 

1406
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,760
unparalleled. 
So just keep diving deeper, man.

1407
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,680
It's it's pretty fulfilling. 
Well, I'll absolutely take you 

1408
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,080
up on that. 
You know, we're doing a lot of 

1409
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,040
traveling coming up this year 
and maybe that's one of the 

1410
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,280
things we'll stop and do because
I want to learn more about it. 

1411
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,120
You know, unfortunately I wasn't
raised on a farm. 

1412
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,240
I wasn't raised to work with my 
hands. 

1413
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,600
Like I've been trained to work 
hard but not with my hands. 

1414
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,720
I'm handy ish. 
I can hang photos and pictures, 

1415
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,160
but I couldn't build a house, 
you know. 

1416
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,760
And so I want to learn these 
things because those are skills 

1417
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,640
that you are self-sufficient, 
self-sustaining. 

1418
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,240
And when you have a village full
of people who do that, the the 

1419
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,600
quality of life that you get is 
so much more meaningful and so 

1420
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,120
much deeper than constantly 
being back-to-back and competing

1421
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,000
with somebody on social media, 
media and and you know, living 

1422
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,480
in this sort of world that's all
artificial and made-up. 

1423
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,800
It's just not what we want to be
doing. 

1424
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,440
And and the better a community 
we can build, the more places we

1425
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,920
can visit, the more we can learn
and everybody comes up together.

1426
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,000
And that's that's the dream. 
Amen to that, man. 

1427
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,840
It certainly takes a village. 
Well, where do people go to find

1428
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,880
out more about you and just 
watch the journey unfold, man? 

1429
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,080
But they want to learn more. 
Best place to go to 

1430
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:52,440
wouldbereversiblepod.com That's 
reverse able pod.com. 

1431
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,640
And that's my podcast, 
Reversible, the ultimate Gut 

1432
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,200
Health podcast. 
And what we do there is just 

1433
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,120
talk about the gut. 
Now that can be a bit of 

1434
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,000
redundant topic. 
So it's not just like here's 

1435
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,560
some bacteria, Here's some fun 
facts. 

1436
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,080
We actually meet with some of 
the best in the world talking 

1437
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:07,640
about different ailments and 
conditions. 

1438
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,200
We talk about how the gut 
effects our world, how our world

1439
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,000
effects it. 
And we meet with doctors like 

1440
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,120
William Lee, Stephen Gunger, We 
even had Lisa Bill you on 

1441
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,080
talking about business and gut 
and Wellness. 

1442
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,520
And it's just a really 
fascinating podcast. 

1443
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,320
I've had the opportunity to meet
with some really amazing guests 

1444
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,360
and specialists from all over 
the world, some very famous 

1445
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,160
famous people and to get their 
take on it and it's been really 

1446
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,480
cool journey. 
So on there as well on 

1447
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,240
reversiblepod.com. 
I also have access. 

1448
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,240
I've created some free gut 
health programs. 

1449
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,920
If people are dealing with acid 
reflux, fatty liver, irritable 

1450
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,040
bowel, inflammatory bowel, 
whatever it is, there are free 

1451
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,240
programs and of course our our 
custom programs for severe 

1452
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,880
inflammatory bowel disease. 
We can always help with that and

1453
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,080
you can reach everyone through 
that website reversiblepod.com. 

1454
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:52,720
Awesome. 
Well, I will certainly link it 

1455
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,520
to that and make it easy for 
people to find you. 

1456
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:56,920
Josh, really appreciate the 
time, man. 

1457
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,720
I've learned a ton. 
I value what you're putting out 

1458
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,080
in the space, and I've got no 
doubt that you're making impact 

1459
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:03,680
in ways you don't even yet 
realize. 

1460
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,240
So keep doing exactly what 
you're doing. 

1461
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:07,920
Hey man, likewise, I I love what
you're doing. 

1462
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,080
The message is spreading and I 
appreciate you having me on. 

1463
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,840
And just give me the opportunity
to share this information with 

1464
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,360
people who are really interested
in hearing it. 

1465
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:15,960
So thank you. 
My pleasure, man. 

1466
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,200
Well, until next time, brother. 
Take care and happy holidays to 

1467
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:19,439
you. 
Cheers.