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Well, hello ladies and gents, 
Robert Sykes, Kyo savage.com. 

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Today for the podcast, I figured
I would put my audio of my 2023 

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Keto Con presentation here for 
y'all to listen to. 

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This presentation was all about 
turning a passion into a 

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lifestyle. 
So it's pretty much just the 

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audio format of my presentation 
that I hope y'all take something

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of value from. 
I got a little emotional with 

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this presentation. 
This was not designed to just be

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about macro nutrients or body 
composition changes. 

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I was talking about the pillars 
of my life that I find to be 

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significant. 
I talked about parenting some 

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families, some spirituality, 
just some some life stuff and 

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turning a passion into a 
lifestyle as I have with the 

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ketogenic diets and all that 
I've pursued through this 

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endeavor. 
So thoroughly enjoyed and 

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appreciate the opportunity and 
honor to speak on the Keto Con 

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Rank Mainstage and I hope that 
you take something from this 

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presentation so that further ado
sit back, relax, enjoy my 2023 

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Keto Con presentation. 
I am so honored to introduce to 

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you Robert Sykes. 
Thank you. 

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Little bit about me. 
I'm a lifetime natural 

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competitive bodybuilder. 
I'm a nutrition coach. 

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I'm a podcast. 
I'm an entrepreneur. 

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We've got Keto Brick Live, 
Savage Apparel, Keto Savage, all

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different types of business. 
I'm a husband, I'm a father and 

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I'm a lover of life since the 
the topic idea of turning a 

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passion into a lifestyle here. 
So I'm going to actually talk, 

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start this conversation with 
regenerative agriculture. 

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So I wasn't going to make any 
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And then I had Will Harris. 
Who is the founder, CEO and 

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brains behind white oak pastures
on my podcast a few few weeks 

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back And that hadn't gone live 
yet, but I was talking to him 

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and y'all probably off me with 
white oak pastures. 

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They're kind of leading the 
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agriculture. 
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like three times during the 
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granddaughter or granddaughter 
came into the frame with like a 

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new hand drawn image that she 
gave him and said I love my 

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grandpa or something like that. 
That's so sweet. 

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And he was telling me about his 
form and how it's come to be. 

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He's a fourth generation cattle 
farmer and how they've changed 

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things that went from the 
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protocol to more of the 
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And he was telling me these 
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pillars are what is important 
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Allow animals the right to 
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behavior, restart, the cycle of 
nature to produce abundance like

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the water cycle, the microbial 
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cycles. 
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local communities. 
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is like not a very big town. 
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and it's all employing the 
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they're pouring into this 
community and I'm like that is 

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pretty pretty good. 
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like this being a circular cycle
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benefits the next generation and
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This thing that keeps growing 
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granddaughter there, drawing him
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hopefully be the next air of 
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and just keeps getting better 
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generation. 
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the, you know, this is a picture
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beef system which is not near as
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Like it's very much so a 
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You've got, you know, cows that 
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through the system. 
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Turning any notion towards the 
welfare of the animals, there's 

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just no thought to the longevity
of it, you know, pouring into 

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something for the long haul. 
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probably what a cow with his 
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the traditional commodity beef 
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You know, obviously one kind of 
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than the other. 
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system isn't really optimal. 
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you rather be if you were to be 
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The one on the left. 
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And I'm like, surely us humans 
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superior over the other. 
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that nature because that's just 
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And I got to thinking, well, 
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beef system outside of the realm
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farming? 
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We kind of bring that on to our 
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our systems are in place. 
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phones nonstop. 
How many y'all look on your 

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phones right now? 
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your phone, you got your camera 
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That's okay. 
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They're not involved. 
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They're not present with their 
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And it's like that's not any 
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They're just being led to 
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systematized approach that is 
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And I got to thinking, you know,
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pursuing this regenerative 
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value that that brings for these
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nutrition, better, better 
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livelihood, better impact on the
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like there's going to be less, 
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Less fertilizer, less negative 
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Why are we doing all these 
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our own lives? 
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my mind that commodity system 
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own realms as a species. 
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through all this systematized, 
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taking far more away than it is 
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And then you die like you're 
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You grow up, You go to school, 
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degree, you go find a career 
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You stay there, you work the 
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retirement, Then you retire and 
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You know that that to me sounds 
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just going from the feed lot 
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the pastures and eating grass. 
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y'all probably have this. 
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people that have this, it seems 
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with three main things, their 
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Their relationships and their 
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Like, very few people I know 
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dialed in. 
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that are making tons of money, 
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they've sacrificed their health,
they've got diabetes and all 

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their family and friends have 
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Or you've got people that are 
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like great relationships, but 
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budget and they haven't got that
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like the pinnacle of health. 
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You know, one of those other two
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So very few people seem to have 
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dialed in well. 
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Commodity system tells you, hey,
look, you just got to balance it

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all. 
You got to balance those 

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components of life. 
That's just what you're going to

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have to do. 
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bullshit, you know? 
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tshirt. 
So, like, plan on that. 

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But I don't think it. 
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Like it just doesn't work. 
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balance, and I just don't think 
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strive for. 
It's proven time and time again.

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I mean, how many of y'all know a
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those things dialed in 
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I'd be one to bet that more of 
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any of y'all that know those 
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So it doesn't work as a system. 
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year with my talk. 
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So tensional integrity, 
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structural principle based on a 
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compression inside a network of 
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OK, so it's not so much a 
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All these things are under 
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They work in unison to create a 
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it's all because of that 
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And I'm like, okay, that makes 
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Let me kind of define and 
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with this notion of tensegrity 
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And then this used to be a 
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but when I exported it, it 
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And what this basically shows is
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You've got relationships, 
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and spirituality. 
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Like each of those could be five
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And sometimes they're higher, 
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They're not a balancing act 
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in which you're trying to keep 
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perfectly in balancing in 
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because when you look at your 
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your resources are allocated, 
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probably consume the majority of
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You know, your your 
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gonna talk a little bit about my
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this, I don't want y'all to just
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your own life and figure out how
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because it is absolutely 
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So I've got some pictures here. 
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my wife Crystal, my family, and 
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I don't know what year that was,
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2019, I don't know. 
Danny didn't make it this year. 

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So I thought, well, I'm going to
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I'm gonna put him on there. 
He's kind of out angling me in 

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that picture. 
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that picture, but they're not 
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All right, So keep that in mind.
Let him know I said that too. 

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But yeah, like the relationships
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And we all hear this all the 
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Like when you're on your 
deathbed, no one's gonna care 

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how much money you got in the 
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what's in your front yard, 
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They care about the 
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When you're dying, you want, you
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the relationship aspect and I 
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beyond just family and friends, 
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these communities. 
Like so much of what is 

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enriched, my life has been born 
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Like they invited me to come 
speak at Keto Con 2017 when they

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first launched Keto Con after 
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And like that was the first 
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like I was truly doing what I 
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Like I was interacting with 
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They've come to me with 
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I was able to offer value like 
y'all. 

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Pour into me and ways y'all 
don't even realize and you 

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enrich my life in ways you can't
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So for that, I owe you all my 
everything. 

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But apart from the 
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OK, so this is what I normally 
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We talk about macros, micros, 
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periods of my life where, you 
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five pillar tinsegrity model, 
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gets a lot more of my time and 
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And like, right now, I'm in a 
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I started to prep 3 weeks ago. 
I'm going to be in prep for the 

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next 25 to 30 weeks. 
I'm eating out of a Tupperware. 

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Everybody's eating BBQ right 
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I'm eating out of a Tupperware. 
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Don't feel sorry for me, though.
I this is, I brought this on 

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myself. 
But there are times in my life 

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where I doubled down on that 
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I go to the freaking extreme 
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Like, I don't sleep as much. 
I eat less and less. 

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I train more and more. 
I add cardio in like. 

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sustainable and it's not 
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But the fulfillment that I get 
when I go all in on that 

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component of my bodybuilding 
endeavors provides so much value

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that, you know, excels past the 
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primary focus as opposed to 
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unison I think. 
That could likely be the case 

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for all of y'all. 
So maybe you have a health goal 

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that you're wanting to do. 
You want to lose somebody fats? 

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You want to build some muscle. 
Maybe some of these other areas 

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of your life need to take a back
burner so that you can focus on 

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those things and get there. 
Because once you've once you've 

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gotten there. 
You don't ever really get there 

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so that there is no such thing 
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You're either getting better or 
you're getting worse in life. 

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But once you've reached that 
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easier to maintain that tier 
while then bringing other 

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components of your life back in 
and you know, adding those back 

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into a higher degree of 
significance. 

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But for me right now, a 
competition prep, I'm really 

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upping the demand that I'm 
placing on that pillar in my 

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life. 
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all of y'all, depending on which
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Also, when it comes to 
sustainability, I'm just going 

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to pick a put a little blurb in 
here about cycling through 

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competition, prep endeavors, fat
loss phases, building phases. 

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Reverse dieting is something 
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but it doesn't really get a lot 
of air time because people don't

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like to talk about reverse 
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here at a conference like this 
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body fat. 
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oftentimes cutting calories, 
cutting out carbs, doing 

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carnivore, doing keto, and they 
eat less and less and less with 

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the intention of losing body 
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The problem I see happening is 
more often than not these people

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fail to reverse diets and 
increase that intake back up. 

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There is a yin Yang approach 
here. 

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You can't spend indefinite 
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phase. 
With lower and lower calories, 

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just as you wouldn't opt operate
optimally if you're continually 

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eating too much, so there needs 
to be a cyclical nature in that 

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to spend time in a cutting phase
to optimize fat loss. 

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Spend time in a building phase 
to optimize muscle building and 

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doing so up regulate your 
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health and all that will make 
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into a cut all the more 
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So you need to have a yin Yang 
approach here to. 

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Your body composition goals have
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in a deficit, And then when it 
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with nutrition, like I'm, I'm 
strict keto, I've been keto, you

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know, without deviation for 
eight years. 

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So, like, you can certainly 
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consistency and strictness, but 
that doesn't mean you have to 

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track everything to the T 
throughout that entire time, 

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like when I'm gonna prep like I 
am right now. 

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I'm eating out of the temple 
where I'm tracking everything to

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the gram. 
I've got everything dialed in to

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the nth degree. 
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I'm just simply making sure I'm 
eating at a surplus and eating 

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enough protein and training 
hard. 

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If you check those boxes, you're
able to make the process more 

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sustainable and still see 
continue to forward progress. 

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So let's talk about wealth. 
All right. 

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This is what a lot of people 
struggle with. 

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I'm still struggling with it. 
All right. 

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So I started the business. 
Way back in 2016, I quit 

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Corporate America. 
I was working after I graduated 

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college and followed that 
commodity system. 

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I went and worked as a train 
master on the railroad and went 

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to Corporate America and was 
making a lot of money for some 

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of my age at the time. 
But it wasn't fulfilling to me. 

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I wasn't passionate about it. 
I wasn't changing lives like I 

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am now. 
I was just going in punch the 

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clock check in the box. 
And then I quit all of that, 

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went into $250,000 in credit 
card debt and other forms of 

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debt and realized that probably 
wasn't sustainable or optimal 

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either. 
So I started making businesses. 

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Businesses that I felt I could 
tie in my passions to actually 

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make a difference in life. 
Hence the Keto brick, the Keto 

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Savage, the apparel like all 
these different realms of my 

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life for things that I feel like
I can add value. 

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And all of y'all have this in 
your own realm as well. 

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And there's times in my life 
where I have to really push the 

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needle here and other things 
suffer. 

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When we were starting out, I 
could, I can give you all some 

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horror stories when we were 
starting out. 

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I mean, Crystal and I lived in a
warehouse for three years while 

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we were building the keto brick 
business. 

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Like if you look at that 10 
segrity model, that's putting a 

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lot of tension. 
In the wealth department there, 

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because I was doing things that 
aren't really sustainable or 

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certainly not optimum, but I 
needed to do those things to get

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to the next level and make 
forward momentum, forward 

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progress. 
And because of that, other 

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things had to take aback from. 
But because I did that and I 

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wasn't trying to balance 
everything in unison, I was able

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to actually gain that momentum. 
And I still don't figure this, 

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that y'all. 
I'm trying to get things dialed 

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in and get things better, 
improve efficiencies, and it's 

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never. 
Over there is no finish line 

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with anything in life. 
You just keep getting better and

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better and better and hopefully 
keep making a bigger, bigger 

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impact. 
All right now, self development.

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This is something that I 
probably suffer with the most. 

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So this is everything that falls
into your interests outside of 

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those other pillars. 
And for me, I love hunting. 

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I love procuring my own venison,
my own meat. 

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And knowing that I harvested it,
I processed it, I eat it like I 

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just like that whole life cycle 
process when it comes to, you 

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know, giving my body nutrition. 
And I love hunting, but that's 

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the thing that often times takes
the most push back on that the 

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most when everything else is in 
a stressed state because I just 

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don't have the time to do it. 
But I love it. 

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Same thing with, like 
woodworking. 

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I love woodworking Crystal's 
being. 

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Hollering at me to get a garden 
started for a long time now I 

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keep pushing that back to the 
back burner but I said OK I'm 

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going to make a planter box. 
So I built that beautiful cedar 

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planter box and as I was making 
it I'm like alright so I'm 

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pretty much a carnivore diet guy
and I ate keto bricks and meat 

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and here I am making a planter 
box that's going to grow 

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vegetables. 
So I haven't figured that one 

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out yet, but at least the box 
looks good. 

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I also love sailing. 
So my whole family got into 

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sailing several years back. 
They bought that little boat. 

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My brother and I bought that 
from them. 

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My folks bought that little 
boat. 

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We brought it from them. 
And then my brother and I 

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learned to sail. 
My parents still sail. 

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My parents are actually. 
They retired last year and 

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they're going to sail around the
entire world. 

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Next year or later this year, 
starting starting this year, To 

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me that's awesome. 
Like that's them doubling down 

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on this self development 
component of their life, 

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something they're passionate 
about, something they want to do

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to see the world and I value 
them. 

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I feel like we all have those 
things in our life that are not 

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really. 
Our relationship necessarily. 

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They're not really our career 
path. 

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They're not really our health 
oriented thing but they are the 

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things that we love to do. 
And I think it's in healthy and 

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important to make time for 
those. 

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But again for me that often 
times take the lowest priority, 

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you know level and now 
spirituality. 

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I don't want to stand up here 
and preach to y'all because this

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is the one I definitely have not
figured out yet. 

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Truth be told I grew up my my 
dad's an evolutionary biologist.

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All right, so. 
When many people grew up 

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learning about Noah's Ark, I 
grew up learning about how 

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whales evolved and have a little
bitty toes and how they came 

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from walking on the ground. 
So like mine was a little bit 

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different and I haven't figured 
that all out yet because I'm a 

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very analytical type person. 
I like diving into the research,

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like diving into the studies and
a lot of stuff. 

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All, I mean all this stuff 
happened long before our time. 

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So there's not really any 
empirical scientific test that 

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you can do via the scientific 
method to really hone things in 

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and when you look at. 
The carnivore diet and our 

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prehistoric beings and how we 
evolved from eating primarily, 

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you know, woolly mammoths and 
whatnot like that all makes a 

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lot of sense to me. 
But that kind of conflicts with 

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some of the stuff that I've read
about in different spiritual 

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circles. 
So I have not figured this out 

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yet. 
But what I do know is that from 

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an evolutionary perspective that
I can see how that explains a 

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lot, but it doesn't really 
explain love and when I had my 

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son. 11 months ago that was a 
whole another story. 

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So Crystal and I are very 
passionate about the ketogenic 

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diet and lifestyle and she read.
We read Deep Nutrition by Kate 

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Shanahan. 
Definitely recommend that book, 

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but it was all about how you 
have an epigenetic effect to 

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your. 
Your, your kids. 

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Their kids, Basically 3 
generations on the line. 

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So we read that book and several
other books, had several guests 

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on the podcast. 
I was learning all about 

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nutrition. 
I'm like, OK, we got our 

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nutrition dialed in. 
We're going to have Rigel's 

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nutrition dialed in. 
We're going to have like the 

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most optimal, superhuman baby 
savage that's ever walked the 

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earth. 
That's that's what we did. 

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We were going to do the home 
birth thing. 

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We're going to do like, the most
minimally invasive, no drugs, no

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nothing. 
And then we were two weeks 

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behind having him. 
Like in Arkansas we're from, you

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can have a home birth up to 42 
weeks. 

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Beyond that, you're not 
illegally allowed to have a home

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birth. 
Like the midwife can't be there.

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She's held liable or something 
like them. 

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So 42 weeks rolls up and Chris 
and I go to the hospital because

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we can't have a home birth at 
that point. 

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So that's pretty heartbreaking 
in and of itself. 

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That's kind of what we had 
pictured for our story. 

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And we get to the hospital and 
they give her some drugs, 

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minimal drugs, trying to get 
things moving along that didn't 

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work. 
And then 12 hours goes by and we

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have healthy heart rates with 
the Rigel and everything's going

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good. 
But they find out that he has a 

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face presentation. 
So basically he can't be born 

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vaginally with the style of face
presentation that he was in. 

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So one way you can, one way you 
can't his way. 

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You couldn't like they were 
feeling around there and they 

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felt the nose and and eyes. 
And so as we're getting all this

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news, we hear things and we're 
getting like more and more just 

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distraught. 
Anxiety is getting higher and 

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higher. 
We're stressed and we're like, 

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okay, what kind of, what kind of
measures are going to have to be

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taken here? 
And she wasn't dialing at all. 

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And they basically said that we 
had to do a rushed emergency 

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C-section at that point. 
And y'all, many of y'all have 

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kids. 
When something like that happens

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and you have a plan in your mind
as to how that's going to go, 

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you have like these sensations 
come over you and you. 

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You don't love anything like you
love them. 

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And I haven't seen him at this 
point, but I can hear his heart 

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rate. 
I imagine what he's going to be 

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like and we have to go in for 
this emergency surgery. 

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He's Chris is on the table and 
they don't have any screens. 

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I don't want screen. 
I'm too tough. 

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I'm savage. 
I don't need screens, so I'm 

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sitting there holding her hand. 
They're cutting my wife open and

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I don't know what's going to 
happen. 

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I'm sitting here praying about 
maybe I'm going to not have a 

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son, maybe I'm not not going to 
have a wife here in a little 

453
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:42,430
bit. 
But then they cut her open and 

454
00:22:42,430 --> 00:22:46,590
he screams, you know, I hear him
scream and he's alive. 

455
00:22:47,150 --> 00:22:49,910
And then she gets stitched back 
up and she's good and she's 

456
00:22:49,910 --> 00:22:53,110
alive. 
So now I've got a son who I 

457
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:56,390
would literally take a bullet 
for, and a wife who I do the 

458
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:58,990
same thing for. 
And that's all love. 

459
00:22:59,350 --> 00:23:02,710
And I don't really know a lot in
life, but I know there's an 

460
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:06,710
emotion called love, and I can't
explain it through anything else

461
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:09,230
except there being some kind of 
spiritual component there. 

462
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:12,230
So you have to have faith in 
something. 

463
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:15,270
I'm putting my faith in love, so
there's that. 

464
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,720
And when you spend enough time 
in these five pillars, you know 

465
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,720
whatever those five pillars are 
for you, they may be a totally 

466
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,240
different pillar. 
But you figure out what your 

467
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,200
purpose is, how you can help 
others. 

468
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,320
You figure out what your 
potential is. 

469
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,920
You start figuring out what you 
can be capable of, what your 

470
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,400
true potential is, and you 
figure out what it is that you 

471
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,280
love doing, what your passion 
is. 

472
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,040
And for me, I love business. 
I love the relationships that 

473
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,160
I've built as a result of this 
community. 

474
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:56,470
I love my health and trying 
every single day to make the 

475
00:23:56,470 --> 00:24:00,030
body that I have and the bodies 
that y'all have better every 

476
00:24:00,030 --> 00:24:02,430
single day because of the the 
information that we're gleaming 

477
00:24:02,430 --> 00:24:04,750
from this research and the 
experiments that we're 

478
00:24:04,750 --> 00:24:08,030
conducting and just how we're 
choosing to live with this 

479
00:24:08,110 --> 00:24:11,990
lifestyle. 
I love my little hobbies and 

480
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:14,550
things like that. 
I love figuring out and diving 

481
00:24:14,550 --> 00:24:17,110
deeper into the spirituality 
aspect and what that means for 

482
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:19,910
me. 
So as you dive into those things

483
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:24,040
and as you really give yourself 
permission to not be balanced, I

484
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,280
mean to really, really show you 
the hell with the whole balance 

485
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,360
thing. 
Y'all like that's any moment in 

486
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:30,960
my life that I've been proud of.
Any moment in my life where I 

487
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,680
can look back on and be like, 
wow, I did something great. 

488
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,640
Just then those all came in 
periods where the farthest thing

489
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,560
from my life was balanced. 
Like when I look at my 

490
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,920
competition preps that I've, you
know, done. 

491
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,410
I wasn't balanced at all. 
When I look at the relationship 

492
00:24:46,450 --> 00:24:48,930
I have with Crystal, none of 
that has been balanced. 

493
00:24:48,930 --> 00:24:53,010
Like nothing that has been great
or worth telling of in my life 

494
00:24:53,010 --> 00:24:57,010
has come during a period of 
extreme balance that just does 

495
00:24:57,010 --> 00:24:59,410
not exist. 
And that's not a bad thing. 

496
00:24:59,410 --> 00:25:02,650
So don't like, give yourself 
permission to operate on the 

497
00:25:02,650 --> 00:25:04,610
fringe extremes. 
Just make sure you have a 

498
00:25:04,610 --> 00:25:08,610
healthy level of extremes in 
your life that all complement 

499
00:25:08,610 --> 00:25:10,650
one another. 
I try to make my life very 

500
00:25:10,650 --> 00:25:12,970
symbiotic in nature. 
Everything that I focus on, 

501
00:25:12,970 --> 00:25:16,850
everything that I pour my time 
into, my efforts into, and all 

502
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:20,610
benefits the whole and the the 
whole being one of those five 

503
00:25:20,610 --> 00:25:22,410
pillars, those 5 pillars in 
tandem. 

504
00:25:22,890 --> 00:25:27,260
So definitely give yourself 
permission to operate on those 

505
00:25:27,260 --> 00:25:31,500
extreme fringes at times and not
try and just, you know, be 

506
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:34,060
status quo. 
Play it safe like it's hell with

507
00:25:34,060 --> 00:25:40,580
planet safe, like that's no fun.
So the world owes you nothing. 

508
00:25:40,580 --> 00:25:42,020
All right? 
The world was here first. 

509
00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:44,580
I saw that quote and I'm like 
that makes sense. 

510
00:25:44,580 --> 00:25:48,580
You know, I look at this jocko 
willing mentality of extreme 

511
00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:50,100
ownership. 
Like we live in an era in which 

512
00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:54,370
everybody wants something for 
nothing and I just don't 

513
00:25:54,370 --> 00:25:56,810
subscribe to that mentality. 
Like the world owes you nothing.

514
00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:59,010
Nobody, nobody owes you 
anything. 

515
00:25:59,010 --> 00:26:02,370
Like you are here, You are 
blessed to be here. 

516
00:26:02,370 --> 00:26:05,330
Like when I look at Rigel's 
birth story thinking that he was

517
00:26:05,330 --> 00:26:09,450
on the fringe of not even being 
here, it's like, man, the fact 

518
00:26:09,450 --> 00:26:11,970
that you're here, like what are 
the chances of that? 

519
00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:16,250
Like that is that is amazing. 
So congratulations for being 

520
00:26:16,250 --> 00:26:19,930
born all y'all. 
So yeah, take take that into 

521
00:26:19,930 --> 00:26:22,850
consideration, but don't only 
just know that the world owes 

522
00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:25,960
you nothing. 
Take that, take that opportunity

523
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,680
that you are here and double 
down that you owe the world 

524
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,440
everything. 
Like you are here for a small 

525
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,280
moment in time, just a blip in 
history as your life's 

526
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,600
existence, and then you're going
to be fertilizing daffodil 

527
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,000
someday. 
So take this opportunity and 

528
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,000
pour into it. 
Kind of like how I started this 

529
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,120
talk with that whole model of 
regenerative agriculture. 

530
00:26:46,770 --> 00:26:48,810
And these cows are out there 
eating grass. 

531
00:26:48,970 --> 00:26:51,090
They're happy. 
They're cycling in different 

532
00:26:51,090 --> 00:26:53,450
types of species. 
They're not using fertilizer. 

533
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:56,050
Everything builds upon the the 
whole unit. 

534
00:26:56,250 --> 00:26:59,490
And then those cows die and they
make way for the next cows. 

535
00:26:59,690 --> 00:27:03,610
And those cows are happy too. 
You know, like life is not 

536
00:27:03,610 --> 00:27:09,170
supposed to be this born school,
college, career, retirement, 

537
00:27:09,170 --> 00:27:13,130
death, you know, linear path. 
Like that's just not fulfilling.

538
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:17,260
Give the world your all. 
Be grateful that you're here, 

539
00:27:17,540 --> 00:27:20,220
and double down the things that 
you truly believe in. 

540
00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:25,300
I could literally drop dead on 
this stage right now. 

541
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:29,500
Hopefully I don't. 
But I could and I can 

542
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:32,340
legitimately be at peace with my
life. 

543
00:27:32,340 --> 00:27:36,780
I could be at peace with who I 
am, who I've become, and the 

544
00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:38,780
impact that I've made. 
Now, granted, I've got a lot 

545
00:27:38,780 --> 00:27:42,180
more that I want to do. 
But when you live your life on 

546
00:27:42,180 --> 00:27:45,140
those extreme fringes and you 
pour yourself into everything, 

547
00:27:45,340 --> 00:27:48,420
whether it's your your 
relationships, your career path,

548
00:27:48,420 --> 00:27:51,820
your spirituality, your health, 
your wealth, all that stuff. 

549
00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:54,820
Like if you do so and it's 
impacting the whole because you 

550
00:27:54,820 --> 00:27:57,940
owe the world everything, then 
you're at peace with whatever 

551
00:27:57,940 --> 00:28:00,700
comes. 
And that peace, I think that's 

552
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:04,540
what we're all striving for. 
So that is pretty much my spiel 

553
00:28:04,540 --> 00:28:06,820
on integrity and the five 
pillars. 

554
00:28:06,940 --> 00:28:08,860
And honest, that's pretty much 
all I have. 

555
00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:17,750
So that's me. 
I do have 12 minutes for 

556
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:19,190
questions that I do like 
questions. 

557
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:21,150
So by all means bring some 
questions my way. 

558
00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:24,070
We can kind of dive into the the
nuance of nutrition stuff now if

559
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:26,870
y'all like, but definitely keep 
the cut questions coming. 

560
00:28:27,550 --> 00:28:28,550
Let's say we got one right 
there. 

561
00:28:30,670 --> 00:28:33,590
Question. 
You got to explain the undieting

562
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:36,910
thing a little bit. 
That one's a new concept. 

563
00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:41,490
What are you talking about as 
far as not worrying? 

564
00:28:41,850 --> 00:28:44,810
Just not worrying about that or 
alright, what's going on? 

565
00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:46,330
Reverse dining. 
So let's kind of do a deep dive 

566
00:28:46,330 --> 00:28:48,130
in this. 
So reverse dining is, as it 

567
00:28:48,130 --> 00:28:52,250
sounds, the reverse of dining. 
So people come to me and they 

568
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:55,170
say I want to build muscle and 
loose fat like that sounds 

569
00:28:55,170 --> 00:28:56,530
great. 
Everybody wants to do that 

570
00:28:56,530 --> 00:28:57,930
thing, you know, build muscle, 
loose fat. 

571
00:28:58,170 --> 00:28:59,970
But they kind of compete for one
another. 

572
00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:03,570
So in order to optimally build 
muscle, you need to be consuming

573
00:29:04,110 --> 00:29:06,030
a higher caloric intake than 
you're expending. 

574
00:29:06,030 --> 00:29:07,910
And I know there's a whole 
calories in, calories out, you 

575
00:29:07,910 --> 00:29:11,350
know discussion, and that's 
another day's discussion. 

576
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:15,430
But in order to optimally add 
tissue to your frame in the form

577
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:20,670
of lean tissue muscle mass, you 
need to be consuming more fuel. 

578
00:29:20,670 --> 00:29:22,910
You need to be able to give your
building box the fuel necessary 

579
00:29:22,910 --> 00:29:26,030
to add that lean tissue. 
That is going to somewhat 

580
00:29:26,030 --> 00:29:29,510
compete for the desire to lose 
body fat, because in that realm 

581
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:32,350
you need to be consuming less so
your body can burn through 

582
00:29:32,350 --> 00:29:34,710
additional body fat. 
So they kind of compete for 

583
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:35,830
another. 
They definitely compete for 

584
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:37,310
another. 
Yes, you can do them, but you're

585
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:39,150
not going to do either 
optimally. 

586
00:29:39,390 --> 00:29:43,630
So I recommend spending more 
time than not in a caloric 

587
00:29:43,630 --> 00:29:47,390
surplus, taking in an increase 
of fuel intake, both ample 

588
00:29:47,390 --> 00:29:51,080
protein and ample fat, and then 
training hard progressive 

589
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,760
overloading your training and 
then recovering. 

590
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,560
That's going to allow your body 
to add more tissue, and the more

591
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,640
lean tissue you have, the higher
function your metabolic weight 

592
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,760
is going to be anyways, which is
going to make your next fat loss

593
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,680
phase more efficient. 
So to give you some some context

594
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,240
here, I started my prep 3 weeks 
ago. 

595
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,320
I'm going to be doing a long 
prep. 

596
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,280
I'm going to be prepping for 
like 6 months. 

597
00:30:12,570 --> 00:30:15,210
So over the next six months I'm 
gonna be gradually dropping my 

598
00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:18,490
intake overall. 
That down regulates my metabolic

599
00:30:18,490 --> 00:30:20,930
rate, that down regulates my 
hormone function. 

600
00:30:21,170 --> 00:30:23,370
After that cut is over, that 
prep is over. 

601
00:30:23,370 --> 00:30:27,250
I'm going to spend the next four
months gradually increasing my 

602
00:30:27,250 --> 00:30:30,130
intake back to a healthy 
maintenance level and then from 

603
00:30:30,130 --> 00:30:34,130
there jump into a slight surplus
to build more tissue. 

604
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,680
I'm gonna spend more like 3 
times more time in that building

605
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,800
phase than the cutting phase. 
And I see so many people doing 

606
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,240
the exact opposite, that they 
spend more time than not in a 

607
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,560
cutting phase than they do in a 
building phase. 

608
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,920
And that's what wrecks your 
metabolism. 

609
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,530
I see so many appliance males, 
females, all different ages come

610
00:30:51,530 --> 00:30:54,210
to me and they have hormonal 
issues, they have satiety 

611
00:30:54,210 --> 00:30:55,770
issues. 
Leptin and grillin are all 

612
00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:59,530
jacked up and that is oftentimes
simply result of them dieting 

613
00:30:59,530 --> 00:31:02,810
more often than not. 
So you have to have the yin Yang

614
00:31:02,810 --> 00:31:04,210
there. 
So a good rule of thumb is to 

615
00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:08,250
spend three times more time in a
building phase at a surplus than

616
00:31:08,250 --> 00:31:09,490
in a deficit. 
Interesting. 

617
00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:11,130
Thank you. 
Yep. 

618
00:31:13,690 --> 00:31:15,250
Hello. 
Thank you so much for your talk.

619
00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:20,800
It was very, very inspiring. 
My question is, for I'm a 

620
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,000
teacher. 
So for those of us who feel like

621
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:28,280
we're just another number in the
system, how do you break out of 

622
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,160
that when, like, my passion is 
teaching, but sometimes I feel 

623
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,520
like I'm just a cog in the 
machine like you were talking 

624
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,400
about. 
Yeah. 

625
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,680
How do you, how do you break out
of that and and showcase your 

626
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,040
passion like you're talking 
about? 

627
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,480
So, Yup. 
Familiar with Jordan Peterson, 

628
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,480
maybe? 
You know Jordan Peterson. 

629
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,840
OK, so Jordan Peterson is a 
professor, He's a Canadian 

630
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,360
professor of psychology, I 
believe. 

631
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,400
And he was doing just that. 
He was teaching. 

632
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,080
A lot of people don't like 
Jordan. 

633
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,640
Peter something again to whether
you like him or don't. 

634
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,800
Like I do. 
So I'm cool with that. 

635
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,240
OK, so but he was a teacher 
doing just what you're 

636
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,800
describing. 
And then he started putting off 

637
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,200
his content on YouTube and then 
becoming, you know, a guest on 

638
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,200
podcast. 
And then he noticed that just 

639
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,560
started taking off. 
So he was teaching, but he was 

640
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,800
able to teach to a much broader 
audience. 

641
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,440
That opened all kinds of new 
teaching opportunities for him. 

642
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,240
So if you're a teacher, whether 
you're teaching like what? 

643
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,600
What do you teach? 
Art. 

644
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,040
Art at what? 
Level can kindergarten to 6th 

645
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,880
grade. 
Yeah, if I was. 

646
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,240
I mean, I'm not an artist at 
all, but if I was an artist, 

647
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,560
that. 
Disagree, but OK, I'd be putting

648
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,520
a whole bunch of that content, 
you know, videotape it, put it 

649
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,080
for free up on YouTube, like 
some of these kids YouTube 

650
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,840
channels. 
Like I hopefully someday will be

651
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,480
as as as prominent as some of 
these little kids YouTube 

652
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,320
channels. 
But they're killing it. 

653
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,880
It's because the parents want 
valuable content that they feel 

654
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,560
safe letting their kids watch. 
So if there was like a channel 

655
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,320
dedicated to, you know, young 
adolescent artwork, you know, 

656
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,280
that would be, that would be 
where I would go with it for 

657
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,520
sure. 
Absolutely. 

658
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,720
Thank you so much. 
You bet. 

659
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,840
Do you find that since you've 
been keto when you're on a 

660
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,760
bulking or growing phase that 
you tend to put on less body fat

661
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,560
than before you were keto when 
you were bulking? 

662
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,320
Yes. 
So I didn't put it up here and 

663
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,160
only have this picture on here. 
But when I was bulking before 

664
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,840
with the carbohydrate based 
approach, I got to 230 pounds at

665
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,090
my heaviest and I'm only 5. 
I say 5/8. 

666
00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:22,690
My wife says 5, seven. 
I'm only 5-7 and 1/2 so I at 2 

667
00:33:22,690 --> 00:33:24,370
and 30 pounds is not a good 
look. 

668
00:33:24,370 --> 00:33:27,090
And that was with me eating 6000
calories from a carbohydrate 

669
00:33:27,170 --> 00:33:29,850
prominent diet. 
Now I'll eat just as many 

670
00:33:29,850 --> 00:33:34,450
calories but I don't ever really
exceed 180 hundred £85 in my 

671
00:33:34,450 --> 00:33:36,210
building face. 
I'm much, much leaner. 

672
00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:40,300
Much, much more effortlessly so.
Yeah, 100% think that you don't 

673
00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:43,580
put on near as much junk weight 
when you keep the carbs out of 

674
00:33:43,580 --> 00:33:45,860
the equation. 
And there's been some argument 

675
00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:48,260
as to whether or not you're 
sacrificing some lean building 

676
00:33:48,260 --> 00:33:49,860
potential without the 
carbohydrates. 

677
00:33:50,060 --> 00:33:53,620
But The thing is a lot of that 
lean mass is coming from the 

678
00:33:53,620 --> 00:33:57,060
glycogen, you know and the 
excess water that comes with 

679
00:33:57,100 --> 00:34:00,180
eating more carbohydrates. 
So you that kind of skews 

680
00:34:00,180 --> 00:34:01,820
things. 
And honestly, your ability to 

681
00:34:01,820 --> 00:34:04,700
preserve lean mass when you 
transition to a cut is better 

682
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:08,139
with keto in my opinion. 
So the amount of muscle lost in 

683
00:34:08,139 --> 00:34:12,420
a dining phase with keto is 
minimized with keto. 

684
00:34:12,420 --> 00:34:16,219
So in that realm, I think it 
kind of evens out in the wash. 

685
00:34:16,219 --> 00:34:19,159
So yeah, you you, they're able 
to maintain a linear physique in

686
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,639
the building phase with Keto 
more effortlessly. 

687
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,440
So I think it's a huge one in 
that regard. 

688
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,800
And honestly, at my goal with 
this cut, I'm competing two or 

689
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,800
five competitions and I've 
competed before, I've gotten 

690
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,760
lean before. 
My goal with this prep is to be 

691
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,480
the leanest man on planet Earth,
like 100%, no questions asked, 

692
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,120
Full stop, leanest man alive for
that point in time. 

693
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,199
And I wouldn't have the 
conference to say that that's 

694
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,440
possible for me if I was not 
doing the ketogenic diet. 

695
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,639
Thank you. 
Yep. 

696
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:57,320
So going back to the reverse 
dieting, do you have a idea of 

697
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,920
what you would generally 
recommend for the length of 

698
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,480
time? 
Are we talking about a weeks and

699
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,400
then going off, you know, or is 
it months? 

700
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,160
So great question. 
I'm not a fan of the week's 

701
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,360
protocol. 
Like I don't like anything 

702
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,960
that's very short term cuz that 
oftentimes you're not really 

703
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,900
gonna benefit from it. 
So like if you've been dieting 

704
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:21,140
for far too long and you do like
a, you know reverse that for a 

705
00:35:21,140 --> 00:35:23,700
week and you push the couch for 
a week or two and then you go 

706
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:26,100
back into a cut, then that's 
pretty much disordered eating 

707
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:27,820
right there. 
Like you are going from a, you 

708
00:35:27,820 --> 00:35:32,340
know binge purge Yolo not Yolo, 
not style of dieting which is 

709
00:35:32,340 --> 00:35:36,940
just not great yo-yo not Yolo. 
So that that's not good actually

710
00:35:36,940 --> 00:35:39,340
this kind of Yolo so but that's 
not good. 

711
00:35:39,340 --> 00:35:42,380
So I would recommend 
significantly more time like I 

712
00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:45,260
typically tell my clients that 
have been chronically under that

713
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:49,180
a bare minimum of six months of 
reverse dining is going to be 

714
00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:51,860
necessary. 
But honestly, more than that is 

715
00:35:51,860 --> 00:35:55,460
better because the more time you
spend in that increase, the more

716
00:35:55,460 --> 00:35:57,660
opportunity you have to build 
more muscle, which is going to 

717
00:35:57,660 --> 00:36:00,420
make your cutting phase that 
much better when you do 

718
00:36:00,420 --> 00:36:05,140
transition to that cut. 
So if you are reverse dieting, 

719
00:36:05,140 --> 00:36:07,060
if you're eating that way for 
six months. 

720
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,480
That's not eating like shit. 
It's just, Oh yeah, yeah, it's 

721
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,120
quality, quality food. 
Like I'm eating the same thing 

722
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,480
in my building phase as I am in 
my cutting phase. 

723
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,400
The only thing that changes is 
the quantity of those foods. 

724
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,320
I'm eating all the same high 
quality foods, just simply more 

725
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,200
of it. 
To give your body a surplus of 

726
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:40,500
that nutrition 
I as long as you need to eat my 

727
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:46,540
personal 3000 calories so I can 
eat 3000 calories and my weight 

728
00:36:46,540 --> 00:36:49,780
will stay stable. 
When I'm in a surplus, I'll keep

729
00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:54,620
it as slight surplus. 
So between 32 and 3500 calories 

730
00:36:54,620 --> 00:36:58,300
is all that I need to do to push
it and build muscle but not put 

731
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:01,610
on unnecessary body fat. 
When I go through this cut, I'm 

732
00:37:01,610 --> 00:37:06,530
going to gradually taper from 
that 3000 down to about 17 or 

733
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:09,770
1800, but that's going to be a 
very finite period of time at 

734
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:13,250
that low intake and I'm going to
have ketogenic caloric refeeds 

735
00:37:13,450 --> 00:37:16,410
in that window of time as well. 
So that kind of makes those 

736
00:37:16,410 --> 00:37:19,370
lower calories more sustainable 
and then I start up regulating 

737
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:21,890
the intake from there. 
But it's going to be a very 

738
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:24,410
short period of time at that 
incredibly low intake. 

739
00:37:24,570 --> 00:37:27,930
So the people that are 
constantly eating sub 1000 

740
00:37:27,930 --> 00:37:33,700
calories like Rigel, my 11 month
old son, he eats more than 1000 

741
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:35,860
calories a day. 
So for anybody in here that's a 

742
00:37:35,860 --> 00:37:38,820
full grown adult to be eating 
less than 1000 calories, like 

743
00:37:38,820 --> 00:37:42,740
that's just not healthy. 
And you your your cut face 

744
00:37:42,740 --> 00:37:46,980
typically lasts 2 months. 
My cut face was gonna be this 

745
00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:49,780
one's gonna be about six months 
usually four to six months is 

746
00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:52,620
the the sweet spot there? 
Because if you diet more slowly,

747
00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:55,580
you'll preserve more lean mass 
and you won't have to, like if 

748
00:37:55,580 --> 00:37:58,300
you have to diet really 
aggressively, like I lost £80 

749
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:01,050
and 12 weeks before, don't 
recommend that for anybody. 

750
00:38:01,050 --> 00:38:03,170
I lost a ton of muscle in that 
process. 

751
00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:05,890
So I had undone a lot of the the
good things that I had done in 

752
00:38:05,890 --> 00:38:08,930
building that tissue. 
So diet much more slowly, 

753
00:38:09,090 --> 00:38:12,010
preserve as much lean mass as 
possible and then that's going 

754
00:38:12,010 --> 00:38:14,250
to help you from a metabolic 
standpoint going forward. 

755
00:38:14,770 --> 00:38:15,490
Thank you. 
Yep. 

756
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:20,770
Hello. 
Howdy, I bought your book 

757
00:38:20,890 --> 00:38:25,010
yesterday and it's amazing. 
You know you. 

758
00:38:25,980 --> 00:38:28,460
You've told me so much in the 
1st 20 pages. 

759
00:38:29,260 --> 00:38:31,860
Excuse me, I really recommend it
to anybody. 

760
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:38,060
I've I've been hearing I've only
been keto 5 weeks and I started 

761
00:38:38,060 --> 00:38:41,900
it for weight loss. 
I only had about 20 to lose. 

762
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:47,340
But us? 
I've come so far more more than 

763
00:38:47,340 --> 00:38:54,740
that, with disease healing and 
dropped off meds that I never 

764
00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:57,640
thought. 
I would be able to do, but my 

765
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:09,800
question is I'm 74 years old. 
I I'm in the elderly category. 

766
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,120
That's how they describe people 
like me. 

767
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:19,680
I am not elderly, however I'm in
the age group that does chair 

768
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:28,180
exercises, you know? 
When I'm not here at sea level, 

769
00:39:28,980 --> 00:39:31,980
I have to use oxygen. 
I live in Colorado Springs 

770
00:39:33,340 --> 00:39:36,140
because I lost alone. 
Now I want to do weight 

771
00:39:36,140 --> 00:39:42,300
training. 
Where should I start so that 

772
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:46,980
they don't treat me like I'm my 
age and can't build muscle, 

773
00:39:47,220 --> 00:39:50,940
which I'm sure I can. 
I don't know where to go. 

774
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:53,830
You can absolutely build muscle 
and you're not elderly. 

775
00:39:54,030 --> 00:39:56,590
All right, so you can. 
What I would recommend doing is,

776
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:58,950
first of all, make sure you're 
you're not in a deficit. 

777
00:39:58,950 --> 00:40:00,390
Like you don't want to be in a 
deficit. 

778
00:40:00,390 --> 00:40:02,390
So figure out what you or you 
do. 

779
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:06,550
The the DEXA scans out there are
great, but a good rule of thumb.

780
00:40:07,180 --> 00:40:10,660
For people is to simply gets. 
Especially as you age, do your 

781
00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:12,180
protein requirements do increase
that? 

782
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:14,180
You want to make sure you're 
eating enough fat to fuel the 

783
00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:17,740
energy demands, but a simple 1 
gram of protein per pound of 

784
00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:20,820
lean mass is a pretty safe 
recommendation for the vast 

785
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:22,660
majority of people. 
So make sure you're consuming 

786
00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:26,280
that much protein at least, and 
then titrate your progressive 

787
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,480
titrate your training up in some
form of fashion. 

788
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,240
So if it's just chair exercises 
now, in a couple months maybe 

789
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:33,920
it's using resistance bands. 
So you can get some some cheap 

790
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,560
resistance bands from Amazon and
start using those resistance 

791
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,600
bands to target each individual 
muscle group in your body and 

792
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,120
stimulate the muscle there. 
Oh, I've got bands and I've one 

793
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,760
of those things on the door. 
Yeah, yeah, it looks like I'm 

794
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,960
gonna put somebody in bondage in
my living room, but. 

795
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,240
But you know, at the Y, I'm in 
the silver sneakers category, so

796
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,040
I'm beyond that. 
I just, you know, I'd love to 

797
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:07,280
have a coach, but they look at 
my age and they want to treat me

798
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,680
like I'm too fragile to lift a 
weight. 

799
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,920
Hey, if your coaches are 
treating me like they're you're 

800
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,480
too fragile, then get a 
different coach. 

801
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,090
You know, like, find coaches 
that are willing to push you 

802
00:41:18,090 --> 00:41:19,330
because they should be pushing 
you. 

803
00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:21,370
You know, like, there's no 
reason you can't be doing 

804
00:41:21,610 --> 00:41:24,210
barbell squats and leg presses 
and deadlifts. 

805
00:41:24,210 --> 00:41:27,250
Like those are all good quality,
compound fundamental movements 

806
00:41:27,250 --> 00:41:29,730
that everybody can benefit from.
Like obviously you want to 

807
00:41:29,730 --> 00:41:32,290
minimize injury, but if you're 
doing those compound movements 

808
00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:34,530
with the correct form and 
technique, you shouldn't have 

809
00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:37,090
injury. 
And The thing is like muscle is,

810
00:41:37,090 --> 00:41:39,610
it's like a quintessential if 
you don't use it, you lose it 

811
00:41:39,610 --> 00:41:42,090
scenario. 
So the best way to preserve lean

812
00:41:42,090 --> 00:41:45,290
tissue is to demand your body 
have that lean tissue. 

813
00:41:45,490 --> 00:41:48,610
So pushing the envelope with how
your training is going to keep 

814
00:41:48,610 --> 00:41:51,170
you younger and younger, it's 
the fountain of youth truly is. 

815
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:56,210
And I believe that we're all 
going to live along a lot longer

816
00:41:56,210 --> 00:42:01,730
than our predecessors, you know,
So I'm planning on being a keto.

817
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:05,320
Con. 
Well, after I'm 90, hey. 

818
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:06,840
Well, I look forward to seeing 
you here then. 

819
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,280
I believe I'm out of time. 
So see, I didn't pay her to talk

820
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,640
about my book, but she did 
mention it. 

821
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,240
So that said, I've got a whole 
bunch of books. 

822
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,600
I'm gonna be at my booth signing
those books if y'all want some 

823
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,040
books. 
So by all means, come check them

824
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,620
out. 
Happy to have y'all swing by the

825
00:42:27,620 --> 00:42:29,260
booth, so grateful to have y'all
here. 

826
00:42:29,260 --> 00:42:31,260
Appreciate y'all giving me your 
time. 

827
00:42:31,460 --> 00:42:33,900
You are my oxygen. 
I can't thank y'all enough. 

828
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:35,900
So safe travels to all y'all.
