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Well, hello ladies and gents, 
Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com. 

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Today we got special guest 
Doctor Jeffrey Gross on the 

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line. 
He is the man behind re 

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celebrate spell with CELL 
because we talked to you about 

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stem cell therapy, regenerative 
therapies, I learned a ton. 

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The whole concept of gene cell 
therapy, stem cells, there's so 

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much confusion around that, 
myself included. 

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I'm pretty ignorant on that 
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So I wanted to bring him on the 
podcast, do a deep dive, learn 

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as much as I could, see where it
could be efficacious for my own 

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life and for people that are 
dealing with pain, arthritis and

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just simply want to live their 
best, most fruitful life in 

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their later years. 
So thoroughly enjoy the 

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conversation, learned a ton. 
Have got no doubt that you will 

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take something from it. 
So that further ado, sit back, 

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relax, enjoy the conversation 
with Doctor Jeff and we are live

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Doctor Jeffrey Gross. 
How are you, Sir? 

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Hey, great to meet you. 
Thanks for having me on. 

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I am excited to have you on. 
We're we're talking about, 

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you're going to tell me in the 
audience how to live forever, 

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right? 
I'm going to do my best to help 

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you. 
That's for. 

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Sure. 
Well, I always tell people that 

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you get nutrition dialed in, you
get some form of resistance 

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training dialed in, maybe some 
form of, you know, intermittent 

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fasting. 
That's the closest thing I know 

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to the fountain of youth. 
But you're, you're coming at it 

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from a whole different angle 
with, you know, stem cells, 

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regenerative medicine. 
So I'm excited to learn from 

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you, Sir. 
I think you're right. 

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You, you listed a lot of the 
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crucial and we can talk about 
the reasons if you like. 

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But the the one thing you could 
do to up your game in that realm

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would be to consider these 
youthful stem cell and stem cell

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based biologics to tap back into
that youthful biology. 

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Well, I definitely, I mean I've 
had AI think probably just a 

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handful of guests on that 
specialized in that, but I would

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say that my knowledge of that 
industry is pretty, pretty 

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minimal. 
So I'm excited to learn from it.

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With regards to stem cell 
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that's kind of the new frontier,
correct? 

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Yeah, I I'd say that's accurate,
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back in this, you know, good old
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less surgery, less drugs, less 
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It really is the the current 
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medicine. 
Well, I definitely want to learn

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all there is to know about that 
or at least all we can't learn 

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in an hour. 
But I want to kind of get some 

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backs for on you. 
What was the the catalyst for 

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taking interest in this in the 
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Well, a few things that I was 
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neurosurgeon. 
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people with neck and back pain 
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degeneration, pinched nerves, 
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The full gambit of 
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know, rehabilitation, sometimes 
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injections, and then if all that
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But there seemed to be a large 
gap for patients who maybe 

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weren't getting the type of 
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non surgical treatments and then
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because the surgeries are quite,
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And, and you know, and some of 
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and rods, which forever change 
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And, and although there is a, a 
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group of people who who said, 
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not ready to do that. 
I'm not ready to let you put all

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that stuff in my spine. 
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really don't want to. 
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me, hey, how about this? 
How about lasers? 

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How about how about stem cells? 
And luckily I have some 

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background and knowledge and, 
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stuff and, and molecular biology
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And it was an opportunity for me
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what? 
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spine surgery conferences all 
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these stem cell conferences and 
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back into what I really liked in
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studying, you know, at that 
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place and what had taken place. 
Robert was mostly out of the 

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country. 
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draw from the follow up studies,
the clinicals, the peer reviewed

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articles come from Europe and 
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We're we're late to the game 
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Why? 
Why is it that we're late to the

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game? 
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those other countries kind of 
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They they, for whatever reason, 
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political and economic pressures
like big pharma and you know, 

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you know, follow the money, 
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I mean it, it's people lose 
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stuff working and those people 
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the people who make spine 
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and you know, cholesterol 
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you. 
Yeah, no, totally. 

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When people hear stem cells and 
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knowledge of stem cell, we'll 
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There seems to be a lot of 
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Like people like the ethics 
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brought up like what is stem 
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Like, can you just educate the 
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and then we can kind of put the 
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is not ethical, The different 
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Sure. 
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And you're right, there are a 
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try to knock some of those out 
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But you know, stem cells are the
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an embryo and a fetus and a 
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And even when you're born, you 
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These cells when you're when 
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into adulthood, have the power 
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cell in your body. 
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liver and you need more liver 
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area can help become liver cells
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of extra, we'll call them not 
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assigned a job. 
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you know, we make new skin cells
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liver cells, for example, and, 
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If we cut you, you know, all 
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heal and those, those also are 
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cells. 
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stem cells 'cause they stem from
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an embryo, those cells are 
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they are when you're born. 
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cells are many, but the ones we 
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about what are called fancy term
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cells, but or MSCS. 
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you have in your bone marrow and
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other tissues. 
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generally speaking, that's a 
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They come from 2 main sources 
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amniotic fluid, you know, 
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membrane tissues. 
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needed once a mother has a baby 
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we now can have them donated and
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used. 
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know, this controversial idea 
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farming and all this. 
I've never seen that or heard of

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that. 
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something that gets out there to
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from looking into regenerative 
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happening, then what would be 
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and age? 
Is there any pushback? 

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A couple other pushbacks. 
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have to leave this country to, 
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therapies. 
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advertise more readily. 
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Europe, Asia now you can go to 
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clinics that that are well 
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years ago, you know, Tiger 
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Europe for this. 
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the US. 
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myth, or maybe it's not a myth. 
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know, people want to know, does 
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I see in most cases, 'cause 
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you, you know, you become the 
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works. 
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cell based medicine is called 
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things like that where you draw 
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platelets and you reintroduce 
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spread apart that also none of 
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for marketing claims by the FDA,
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the bean counters figured out 
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that than to pay for surgery. 
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because we're we are starting to
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these less invasive and rather 
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approaches. 
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I mean, maybe not even legally, 
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What is actually possible? 
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bureaucratic hoops to jump 
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what is legitimately possible 
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that we have at our suppose. 
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a car accident, you could grow 
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Like what? 
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What is the scope of 
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So there there are. 
Sorry for that noise. 

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There are some technologies that
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And, and if we can just tap into
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it's really an interest of mine.
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on the planet that can grow back
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We have, you know, starfish and 
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a weird iguana type animal that 
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And you, you may or may or may 
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child, but before the age of 
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tip of the finger, can grow it 
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So we, we retain as humans some 
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shut off and blocked. 
So as we, as we're able to tap 

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back into that knowledge, the 
more we learn. 

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I, I see that coming someday, 
Robert, but that is not 

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currently available. 
It does require us to tap back 

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into the power of those 
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cells that really aren't 
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clinical trials. 
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CS are induced pluripotent stem 
cells and they're, they're based

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on giving, giving some growth 
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the genes that are called upon 
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And those factors kind of push 
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the more primitive ability to, 
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just allow a cell to 
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So as we, as we learn more from 
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What's possible now though is, 
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help a body recover from an 
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stroke, help the body fight 
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regenerative medicine, stem 
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anti-inflammatory. 
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cartilage, like joints. 
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spine surgery, which is where 
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where I started in this. 
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pains I didn't have when I was 
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You know, I mean, I'm hard on my
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I feel like I'm doing everything
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to speak. 
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jujitsu, you know, run and I got
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doc was like, yeah, your LCL is 
going to heal. 

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It's going to be fine. 
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knee in detail here, there is 
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more pain as time goes on. 
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that by injecting some, you 
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some point in the future, that 
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way to go about it. 
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better than platelet Ridge 
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But yes, we are seeing results 
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follow-ups on patient in Europe.
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the, the results are crystal 
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significant benefit reduction in
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thickness of the knee cartilages
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the joints. 
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prevent it, I would I would look
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targets and deliver regenerative
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it could be stem cells or the 
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efficient way to do it is 
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factors called extracellular 
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And these are from youthful stem
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They're abundant in amniotic 
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cost of stem cells and they're, 
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tissue very well. 
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bodybuilding and they've got an 
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banned substances, you know, 
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hormones. 
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within the athletic department, 
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therapies, or is that not even 
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Like, I haven't looked to see if
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allowed, if there's any 
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whatsoever. 
I don't know about the, the 

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weightlifting community, but the
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and, and bodies, the NBA and the
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So in fact, we, we do have some 
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They don't want me to share 
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may know, I'm based here in Las 
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the summer league, the NBA 
Summer League. 

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So we have quite a few tall 
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come in and and they like to 
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Well, I would imagine, I mean, I
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you're trying to compete in 
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instance, using my sport, I 
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of anabolics, then you're going 
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Obviously that's not fair in the
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necessarily think that yes, 
you'd, you'd be better off, you 

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know, against a, a similar 
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like you're going to heal and 
recover faster. 

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But it's not like you're quote 
UN quote cheating and that 

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you're building more lean tissue
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ability per SE by mitigating the
risk of this injury. 

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Well, I, I think that's 
accurate. 

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that, that, that train at high 
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They do that to increase their 
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So, and to the extent that you 
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your proteins and your amino 
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in particular muscle, you know, 
efficiency exercises, you are 

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also releasing testosterone. 
So you're, you're self doping in

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a way. 
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natural, you know, to the extent
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cells, I suppose that would be 
natural too. 

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But I know that some, some like 
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blood cell storage and doping. 
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sport dependent, I don't know. 
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So it's all a matter of where 
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guess. 
What what about when it comes to

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donors? 
Is there a risk of, you know, 

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your body rejecting stem cells 
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It all works no matter what what
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you're using it. 
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hypothetical risk, but we've, 
we've learned that stem cells 

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haven't, you know, 
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cell they're going to end up 
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themselves as foreign. 
So whereas if you had it your 

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entire bone marrow wiped out, if
you had leukemia and had 

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chemotherapy and then you needed
a bone marrow transplant, that 

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has to be a match because 
eventually you will you will 

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reject that if you're not well 
matched. 

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cell types of approaches, we 
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reaction. 
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reports in the literature, but 
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anything even even less risky 
with the extracellular vesicles,

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the exosomes that come from stem
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know, almost no cell surface 
markers. 

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These are, we call immuno 
privileged. 

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They're naive, they're innocent.
They, they, they're like 

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unregistered voters. 
They haven't decided. 

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Gotcha. 
Gotcha. 

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And and and I want to make sure 
I'm hearing you right. 

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When When you age at at what 
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So like the, the, the cells that
I have now at 32, like what, 

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what would I be able to find 
useful from for my cells because

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they're not near as powerful as 
those unmarked unregistered 

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voter cells, right? 
Well, you still have a Bank of 

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stem cells in your body. 
You're, you know, and you're 

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super healthy. 
You do every year smart about, 

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you know, diet, exercise, you 
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all the anti aging approaches 
slow the aging of your cells, 

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including your stem cell 
population. 

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So you know, many doctors here 
in the country still harvest 

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stem cells from individuals and 
give them back to the same 

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individual, which is fine. 
But as you age, they become less

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effective. 
And that that depends on how 

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well you age. 
You know, your biological age, 

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not your calendar age. 
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stem cells from a 70 or 80 year 
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benefit, but you know, listen, 
we have access to the most 

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youthful source. 
And when you take your car to 

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get the oil changed, you don't 
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So although I, I'm not saying 
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tend to gravitate towards the 
more youthful sources because A,

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you don't have to harvest 
anything. 

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B, there, like, like you asked 
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problem with rejection. 
And C They're the most efficient

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and active biologics. 
Can you bank stem cells like I 

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mean, I would think from an 
ethical standpoint, what, what I

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can foresee happening, you know,
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you're born your umbilical cord 
is banked and any issues you 

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have in the future, you just 
happen to your own stem cells 

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from your births on umbilical 
cord. 

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Like that to me I think would 
remove any ethical concerns if 

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that's even feasible. 
Can you bank it like that? 

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Yeah, actually that you're right
on that exists right now. 

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You can not only can you bank 
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child's umbilical cord, you can 
use that as well. 

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It wasn't the original reason 
people did it, but it's it's you

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can bank and not only your own 
umbilical cord, but you're 

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right, that's the most efficient
thing to do because those are 

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the best. 
But you can bank your own fat 

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cells and stem cells derived 
from fat and bone marrow and 

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other places. 
There are there are some tissue 

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banks we work with right now 
that have that service. 

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Now you do have to pay to bank 
them each year or each each. 

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They might have lifetime 
packages too. 

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And that's, that's pretty pricey
where these off the shelf 

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donated, you know, particles are
much less expensive. 

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Yeah, totally. 
And you can bank them 

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indefinite, like as long as you 
keep them on ice basically 

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they're they're good. 
To go Yep, absolutely. 

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Interesting. 
I've heard of somebody doing 

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that with teeth. 
I don't know if it was like baby

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teeth or like certain like 
there's a certain type of teeth 

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or something like that more 
effective. 

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I don't that's a different type 
of stem cell. 

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You know, the vast majority of 
our bodies made-up by a layer of

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the embryo called the mesoderm. 
And that makes most of the 

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connective tissues, you know, 
joints and muscles and bones and

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things like that. 
And most, most of the organs. 

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So teeth are very different 
though. 

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They're part of the 
neuroectoderm, which which is, 

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you know, more like neurologic 
system teeth. 

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A few other things like it's a, 
it's that's different, but yeah,

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you would need the teeth for 
that purpose. 

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Gotcha, gotcha. 
Makes total sense. 

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So at what point does the like 
once we get all those dialed in,

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this is this is the common 
practice, at what point does it 

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make sense to go the route of 
surgery versus the stem cell 

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regenerative care like where is 
that line drawn? 

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Well, let's pick a common 
ailment like a, a knee 

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degeneration. 
So the cartilage wears down or 

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you've had prior injuries and 
tears, maybe prior surgeries 

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and, and then you you develop 
what your doctor might call 

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arthritis or osteoarthritis. 
And some doctors would say it 

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gets to a point of bone on bone,
which is really just a stage of 

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cartilage loss. 
At at some point, a regenerative

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procedure may not be enough to 
help you restore that cartilage.

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The cells in the bone that make 
cartilage may have just 

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undergone too much degeneration.
They you may be exposed to 

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metabolic problems when you're 
not a healthy individual. 

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At some point that and the and 
the pain is too great, surgery 

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would become a necessity to 
replace that knee. 

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Yeah. 
And you see, like you said, you 

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typically worked with spinal 
surgeries in the past. 

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Right. 
I've got a few friends that have

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had, you know, spinal fusions at
one point or another, and that 

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seems like a pretty and when you
when you do that, you just 

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totally lack the mobility. 
I mean the spine is is not meant

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to be fused a. 100% correct if 
it it. 

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I've done many of these and they
were right for the right people 

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at the right time. 
And if I had regenerative 

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medicine as one of my tools back
then, I might have tried that as

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well. 
And I'm glad I have it now to 

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try for people before we do a 
fusion surgery. 

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You're right. 
Fusions are kind of old 

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fashioned and barbaric. 
They haven't changed 

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significantly since they were, 
you know, discovered in the 

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1940s and 50s. 
Of course, back then there 

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wasn't. 
There weren't screws and rods to

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go with them. 
You know, those, those became 

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more popularized in the 1980s 
and beyond. 

451
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:40,600
But if you look at the history 
of knees as a parallel, you 

452
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,720
know, before they were knee 
replacements, if you had end 

453
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,280
stage knee problems, you got a 
knee fusion. 

454
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,240
You couldn't bend it at all. 
And you'd have to be pretty bad 

455
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,320
off to have that knee fusion to 
walk around with one, you know, 

456
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,560
fixed leg. 
But there were people that did 

457
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,400
it. 
I I've seen it, but when they 

458
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,600
came up with the knee 
replacement, I think that was a 

459
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,680
game changer. 
Of course, now we're doing too 

460
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:12,720
many of them too early. 
The the spine, though, has had a

461
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,080
different attack. 
When artificial discs became 

462
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,280
available instead of fusions, 
they they didn't have the kind 

463
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,800
of results across the board we 
had hoped for. 

464
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,760
Particularly in the lower back. 
They do much better than neck. 

465
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,240
The neck holds up a lot less 
weight than the lower back does.

466
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,560
Yeah, and I would think I mean 
like like I've like I said, I've

467
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,360
never had any of these done to 
myself. 

468
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:37,720
But like I look at my mom and 
she's had, you know, both knees 

469
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,240
replaced, hip replaced, worked 
on her foot. 

470
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,920
And like any type of mobile, any
type of joint in your body 

471
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,480
that's meant to, to oscillate 
and move and, and bear weights, 

472
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,920
like when you put some 
mechanical tool set in there and

473
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,760
like you are by definition 
changing the operation there. 

474
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,840
And especially if you're fusing 
or putting screws in. 

475
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:03,960
So like if you could simply 
regenerate that native tissue. 

476
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,120
And that seems like a no brainer
to me. 

477
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,480
Well, that's one of the reasons 
I went into this and why I've 

478
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,360
become so excited about it. 
And I agree with you. 

479
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,040
I, you know, I did this to add a
new tool in my toolbox, but now 

480
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,240
it's, it's a tool that I want to
make available to so many people

481
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,600
for so many reasons. 
Before, before surgery, before 

482
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,880
drugs, these kinds of things. 
So, and we've got incredible 

483
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,520
things coming as well. 
I mean, we're just, you and I 

484
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,160
are just scratching the surface 
on this introductory talk today,

485
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,120
Robert. 
Well. 

486
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,880
So I feel like the the 
technology and the the know with

487
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,480
all and the ability is not going
to be the bottleneck. 

488
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,440
It's going to be all the 
bureaucratic red tape and like 

489
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,320
the people that control the 
pocketbooks within the world of 

490
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,760
big Pharma, big medicine. 
So I'm assuming that's what's 

491
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,400
going to be the hurdle. 
I, I would agree with that. 

492
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,120
I think that's what I feel. 
For example, you know, I, I've 

493
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,320
changed my name and my practice 
to, to sorry about that to re 

494
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,040
celebrate because it's, we're 
celebrating the renewal of cells

495
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:15,200
and I'm really focusing on, you 
know, anti ageing and health and

496
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,840
so many things, you know, not 
trying to push the envelope of, 

497
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,360
of Wellness over sick care. 
And I've, I've tried to put some

498
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:29,720
advertisements on Google and 
Facebook for this and we are 

499
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,680
denied right out. 
We are disqualified. 

500
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,120
So there's very little 
advertising in the United States

501
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:41,160
because to be compliant with the
current FDA status on marketing 

502
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,800
claims, we can't even advertise 
regenerative medicine, stem cell

503
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,560
medicine, biohacking, anti 
aging, all those phrases are 

504
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,640
flat out denied. 
Well, it's unfortunate because I

505
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,000
mean, like, I, I, I see this 
unfold in, you know, big pharma,

506
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,560
big food all the time. 
And it's like if, if somebody's 

507
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,400
going to be put at a 
disadvantage from a monetary 

508
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,760
standpoint, like they're just, 
they're, they're going to fight 

509
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,080
tooth and nail to prevent 
whatever it is that's happening.

510
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,520
When I look at this, like when 
you look at the cost, the 

511
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,800
lifetime value, so to speak, 
like if you look at people as 

512
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,800
products and your company is big
pharma, then the lifetime value 

513
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,560
of your product, your viable 
customer, so to speak, is much 

514
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,800
higher if they have many more 
ailments and you can continue to

515
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,800
prescribe them drugs, 
pharmacology and expensive, you 

516
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,600
know, surgeries and, and 
hardware. 

517
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,160
So this pretty much negates all 
of that. 

518
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,480
So like, how are they possibly 
going to be incentivized to jump

519
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,240
on board with them? 
Exactly. 

520
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,400
So I've, I've seen this over and
over and, and, but it's not 

521
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,960
going to stop me from trying to 
help people and do the right 

522
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:58,760
thing and not, not rest on the 
laurels of, of thing, of things 

523
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:05,000
that doctors were doing 60 or 70
years ago, like fusions and, and

524
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,080
things that just haven't 
changed, haven't caught up with 

525
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,080
the times, particularly when you
can go to other places in the 

526
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,480
world who are really fostering 
this biotechnology. 

527
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,240
Yeah, no, I totally agree. 
I feel like, and correct me if 

528
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,080
I'm wrong, but I think the most 
viable solution would be to make

529
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,040
it more affordable for people to
just go direct and bypass 

530
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,560
insurance altogether. 
So is that feasible? 

531
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,880
They're yeah, that's what we do 
now. 

532
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,800
So we with, luckily with the 
cost of the biologics, you know,

533
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,120
there's more competition. 
So costs have gone down here in 

534
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,800
the US and you know, we really 
want it to be affordable. 

535
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,400
So people either use their 
health savings account plans if 

536
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,520
they have it, or if not, when 
you look at the cost of a knee 

537
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,280
replacement or even a knee 
Arthroscopy surgery to clean up 

538
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,200
a tear or something, which you 
might need anyway. 

539
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,920
But the the cost, the downtime, 
the miswork, the recovery, the 

540
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,240
pain, the risks, the infection 
risk, all that compared to let's

541
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:13,240
say you know, a $15,000, you 
know, one time knee procedure 

542
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,200
with regenerative medicine. 
It's hard not to consider the 

543
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,600
two, you know, side by side. 
Yeah. 

544
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,520
So, so let's paint, let's paint 
some some numbers here. 

545
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,360
So if if someone is going like 
if you have a candidate and they

546
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,280
are, they're not too far gone to
require surgery, they would 

547
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:34,200
benefit from the the cell 
technology that cost around 15 

548
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,440
grand you send. 
Yeah, typically like if we take 

549
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:44,600
if you have a single knee and 
the knee is usually and not 

550
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,960
always, but usually at least one
dose of the the biologics above 

551
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,120
the knee cartilage, 1 dose 
below. 

552
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,080
So we can get all the the cells 
ramped up to support the 

553
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:59,120
cartilage and and help it heal 
in the surgery center with some 

554
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,200
sedation. 
It's how we do it. 

555
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,240
Paying for all those things all 
in cost is, is usually around 10

556
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,800
to $15,000. 
And then if you need additional 

557
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,160
doses, let's say you need 3 
doses in in the knee or one dose

558
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,120
in another knee or something at 
the same time. 

559
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,840
It's just smaller incremental 
dose cost 'cause we just have to

560
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,960
pay for the additional dose. 
The surgery center is all paid 

561
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,760
for, the time is all paid for, 
the anesthesiologist is all paid

562
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,120
for. 
So that's usually what goes into

563
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,120
it. 
And it's an injection is how 

564
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,640
it's delivered. 
Yeah, when we're talking joints 

565
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,680
and spine, it's it's a it's an 
injection into the the cells 

566
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,960
that make cartilage. 
Those cells live in the bone 

567
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,680
just adjacent to the cartilage. 
Cartilage itself has very few 

568
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,960
cells. 
It's mostly a biological rubber 

569
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,280
protein. 
Yeah. 

570
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,960
So you get a pretty much stick 
the needle through the cartilage

571
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,800
directly into the bone, which 
probably doesn't feel too great,

572
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,360
which is why you need the 
anesthesiologist. 

573
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,640
To put you out exactly, and it's
just sedation. 

574
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,840
It's a twilight. 
It's not a full general, but, 

575
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,960
and, and honestly, the, the 
procedure, it only takes 10 to 

576
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,760
15 minutes. 
The hard work is done ahead of 

577
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,800
time. 
We get specialized Mris, we look

578
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,080
for the targets in the bone. 
We match it up where the pain is

579
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,440
clinically and where the 
problems are. 

580
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,080
And, and we, we do all the 
mapping ahead of time. 

581
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,160
So when I go into the surgery 
Center for the procedures, I I'm

582
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,440
already, I already know what to 
do, where to put it, how deep in

583
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,120
that kind of thing. 
And that typically, I mean 

584
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,360
you're seeing people only 
require, you know, one session a

585
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,520
dose above and below the knee 
and then they're good or do they

586
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,680
often times need additional? 
No, the goal is to do this once 

587
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,760
the we're basing this on the the
European protocol that has the 

588
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,440
15 year follow up. 
They're soon they're going to 

589
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,760
publish their twenty year and 
they show that if you do it by 

590
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:54,880
this bone technique, over 80% of
the people, I think it's 82% of 

591
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,480
the people at 15 years are still
doing great. 

592
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,840
So I can I can say that the goal
was at least to match those 

593
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,800
results And and we just don't 
know what the 20 and 25 year 

594
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,639
results look like. 
But, but if someone had this and

595
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:11,920
didn't need anything for 20 or 
25 years and they had to come 

596
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,000
back again, I, I don't think 
that's a, that's a, a losing 

597
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,239
situation. 
I think it's a win. 

598
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,840
Yeah, no, totally. 
So we'll, we'll just use myself 

599
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,840
as a hypothetical example here. 
And you haven't seen my Mris 

600
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,679
obviously. 
And, and I'm still able to 

601
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,080
totally squat and move without 
much pain. 

602
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,400
So I, I, I feel like I'm not a 
candidate yet unless I was 

603
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,320
trying to just prophylactically.
But let's assume you know, I'm 

604
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,880
32 now in, you know, 20 years. 
It's, it's considerably more 

605
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,320
painful for me to squat, for 
instance, heavy load. 

606
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:46,480
At what point in that lifespan 
would I ideally try and do the 

607
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,000
stem cell therapy? 
You know, would I do that now at

608
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,639
32, or would I wait until it 
becomes much more painful? 

609
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,480
Well, it's, it's person 
dependent, you know, if you, if 

610
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,520
you still see yourself being the
savage you are 20 years from now

611
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,000
at the same go, you want to, you
know, the same personal records 

612
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,320
and what have you and and 
competitions. 

613
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,360
You would probably do it earlier
because you want to preserve 

614
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,680
that. 
If you, if you are, you know, 

615
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,800
someone who who's not a fitness 
professional and you were, you 

616
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,280
know, you were going to have an 
office job and young kids and 

617
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,600
stuff. 
You weren't, you weren't going 

618
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:26,320
to go at the, you know, the the 
hardest hards that people, you 

619
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,320
know, challenge themselves. 
You, you probably could put it 

620
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,240
off until it really started to 
bother you. 

621
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,080
So it's just, it's just, you 
know, everyone's an individual. 

622
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,960
We have to make it precise for 
that person. 

623
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:39,720
It's a it's a personal decision.
Totally. 

624
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:44,400
And if I was to contrast that 
scenario with going the route 

625
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,440
of, you know, knee surgery near 
placement, then that would often

626
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,760
times get pushed back until it 
becomes painful. 

627
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,440
Like if I was to go to the 
doctor now, they'd be like, 

628
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,560
yeah, just keep doing what 
you're doing. 

629
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,960
And then if I was to go to the 
doctor in 20-30, forty years and

630
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,280
they'd do another MRI. 
But yeah, you need a new knee, 

631
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,280
you know that at that point, 
what am I looking like at at the

632
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,920
cost standpoint compared to, you
know, 15 grand for the 

633
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,880
injections versus what? 
Well, usually health insurances 

634
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,920
will pay for your knee 
replacements whatever your 

635
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,400
deductible would be. 
So 5006 thousand a dollar 

636
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,520
deductible. 
Plus, if you had a, a job that, 

637
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,360
you know, required you to be 
present, you might miss hours, 

638
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,440
you know, of work and income, 
you'd have physical therapy, 

639
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,680
you'd be trouble walking. 
You're, you know, for a while 

640
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,840
it, it would be, you'd have 
pain, you'd need pain pills for 

641
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,200
a while, you know, so the, the, 
the cost of surgery isn't just 

642
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,720
the dollar cost, right? 
There's a opportunity, there's a

643
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,040
lost opportunity cost. 
We'll call it a lost 

644
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,920
opportunity. 
And with with the injections 

645
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,000
like you get the injection and 
and is there any downtime after 

646
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:50,960
that? 
Are you pretty much off the 

647
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,080
races the next day? 
No, we, we want people up using 

648
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,240
their joints stimulating that 
what we call mechanoreceptors, 

649
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:02,600
which are the small nerve 
endings that sense the movement 

650
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,520
and release cellular factors 
that call for healing and tell 

651
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,800
the exosomes in the stem, in the
stem cells that you activate, 

652
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:15,160
you know where they where the 
the cartilage is needed to be 

653
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,800
the proteins that are needed to 
be produced and deposited. 

654
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,240
So we want people up and using 
it. 

655
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:24,520
They are you are sore for a week
or so but nothing ice wouldn't 

656
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,560
take care of and some Tylenol. 
So I wouldn't have to take time 

657
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,200
away from the gym, I can just go
right back to it. 

658
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,560
You could, you know, again, you 
may be ginger for a few days, 

659
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,360
but you could, you know, if you 
had your knee treated, you could

660
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,320
go, you know, work on your bench
press and arms and isolated arms

661
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,520
and back and show other parts, 
you know. 

662
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,680
But yeah, you could use it. 
You can certainly use your knee.

663
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,440
No Cool, cool. 
And then when it comes to like 

664
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,600
chiropractic care, for instance,
you know, like a lot of people 

665
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,840
go to the chiropractor and the 
fancier chiropractors that will 

666
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,600
have you do an X-ray, They'll 
show you what your spine's 

667
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,080
looking like, they'll show you 
any, you know, dis alignments 

668
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,960
and they'll recommend a game 
plan. 

669
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,360
They're like, do you put much 
stock in any of that or is that 

670
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,400
all smoke and mirrors? 
I've worked with chiropractors 

671
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,080
most of my career and you know, 
I, I think chiropractors are 

672
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:18,880
helpful knowing that if you get 
the axial skeleton in better 

673
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,320
posture and alignment, meaning 
the, the spine, then the 

674
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,920
appendicular skeleton, meaning 
the the other joints, you know, 

675
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:32,040
shoulders and hips and down the 
stream function best. 

676
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:39,440
Nerves are less compressed and 
there is some credence to that. 

677
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,360
It doesn't fix everything but as
part of a rehabilitation program

678
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,600
I'm I'm pro chiropractic. 
Gotcha OK that makes sense but I

679
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,200
feel like the the most 
proverbial bang for the buck. 

680
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,880
If you have a known issue with 
regard to any of your discs or 

681
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,960
any any cartilage specific 
spots, I think you would be way 

682
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,440
better off going the route of 
the regenerative stem cell 

683
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,920
therapy. 
Yeah, I mean, if you're, if 

684
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,200
you're well, you try everything 
else first, right. 

685
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,800
This is an injection. 
You know, you should try regular

686
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,120
rehab and recovery if you have 
an injury. 

687
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,840
And all the, all the things that
you would normally do, you know,

688
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,520
acutely, you know, rest, ice, 
compression, elevation. 

689
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,120
And then, you know, stretching, 
good strengthening, building up 

690
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,000
the surrounding muscles and, and
the flexibility training and, 

691
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,960
and then all the hormesis, you 
know, the cold plunges and, and 

692
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,200
fasting, all the good things you
can do to stimulate your own 

693
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,160
stem cell activity. 
And then I think regenerative 

694
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,640
medicine is the next step. 
If those things are inadequate 

695
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,720
to get you where you want, then 
then we talk about some type of 

696
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,160
approach that I do. 
What is the the the largest 

697
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,240
demographic from an age 
standpoint of people that are 

698
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,360
using and benefiting from from 
the regenerative therapies? 

699
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,880
I have, I think I have two 
peaks. 

700
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,240
I have, I'll call it the young 
middle age, you know, the 30s 

701
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:02,800
and 40s. 
These are usually weekend 

702
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,320
warriors and people who may have
had during their teens a sports 

703
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,200
or skiing injury. 
And it's really starting to hold

704
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,440
them back from enjoying their 
desire and ability to be 

705
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,880
youthful in their 30s and 40s. 
Then I have the older 

706
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,440
population, you know, I'll call 
it, you know, upper sixties, 70s

707
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,600
and beyond that have. 
You know, just accumulated 

708
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:32,360
chronic degeneration and don't 
want to become completely 

709
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,360
sedentary and don't want 
surgery. 

710
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,520
That's that's probably the 
bigger desire. 

711
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,880
Yeah, I would think, you know, I
don't know, like I, I talked to 

712
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:46,120
people that are older, you know,
7080 and they have a significant

713
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,920
ailment. 
And when you get that age, like 

714
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,480
the, the rate of muscle loss is 
directly, you know, 

715
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,600
corresponding to how health you 
are. 

716
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,080
Like when you start going 
downhill and you stop moving 

717
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,880
your, you start losing your lean
tissue, you become more prone to

718
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,200
falling. 
That's why all these, you know, 

719
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,440
statistics of once you get a 
certain age and you start 

720
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,520
falling, your likelihood of not 
surviving an additional year 

721
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,920
past that, it is just 
significantly amplified. 

722
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,800
I feel like a lot of that is 
because they have these chronic 

723
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,760
pains and ailments and they just
simply decide to not move as a 

724
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,240
way of hedging against that 
likelihood of falling or dealing

725
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,920
with that pain. 
And if there's a way to mitigate

726
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,960
or bypass that, I would think 
that alone would be, you know, 

727
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,080
tremendous in improving their 
overall lifespan, but more 

728
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,600
importantly, their health span. 
Just sheer enjoyment for waking 

729
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,720
up and living throughout the 
day. 

730
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,320
I couldn't agree more with you. 
I think you take care of your 

731
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,640
muscles, they'll take care of 
you. 

732
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,240
So I agree so 100%. 
Where do you see everything 

733
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:45,680
going? 
Like what's get you excited now?

734
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,400
Like where do you see the 
trajectory heading? 

735
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,040
What's the next 5-10 years look 
like in this space? 

736
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,400
Well, so the, the projects we're
working on besides sort of 

737
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,200
these, these low hanging fruit, 
you know, joints and, and 

738
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,760
structural stuff is we do, we do
some IV Wellness and, and 

739
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,800
general inflammation reduction 
procedures where we give the 

740
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:12,040
exosomes IV. 
We do many other things IV, we 

741
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,240
do some cosmetic stuff. 
We have some sexual Wellness 

742
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,360
shots. 
But what's coming and not yet 

743
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,080
quite available, but we're 
pushing is there are certain 

744
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,880
immune cells in our body, 
certain T cells that their job 

745
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,520
is to go around and remove 
accidental cancer cells from our

746
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,240
body. 
So we we have accidental screwed

747
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:34,040
up cells all the time. 
We have so many cells that that 

748
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,880
happens, but we have our immune 
system usually just removes 

749
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:43,240
them, kills them and otherwise 
we would all have cancer at a 

750
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,960
much younger age. 
And because these cells are very

751
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,000
powerful, there are now 
biologics that are derived from 

752
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,840
these cells that could be useful
as a augmentative treatment for 

753
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,840
cancer patients and or a 
preventative. 

754
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,320
So that's that's one area. 
The other area is there are some

755
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,160
of these biologics that are 
stuffed with extra mitochondria 

756
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,840
and you think about people that 
really have difficulty losing 

757
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,600
fat, losing weight and it and if
you could, you know, inject some

758
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,200
of these into a white adipose 
and convert it to brown adipose 

759
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,440
tissue. 
It's a lot easier to burn with 

760
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,080
exercise and and cold therapy. 
Because as you know, you know, 

761
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:34,280
brown, brown fat is 
metabolically highly metabolic, 

762
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,800
right? 
Got a lot of mitochondria, a lot

763
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,840
going on. 
So also mitochondrial therapies 

764
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,240
could be used not only for 
certain mitochondrial problems 

765
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:47,120
and diseases, but also maybe 
even as a hack to help people 

766
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,640
maintain muscle mass in that 
older age group, in that frail 

767
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,600
age group. 
And and like you said, muscle, 

768
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:58,400
muscle mass is lifespan and it's
it's health span because it's 

769
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,200
you, you can do more. 
Yeah, no, totally. 

770
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,320
And you think all this is right 
on the horizon? 

771
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,640
Oh, it's, it's, it's available 
in other countries. 

772
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,200
China's way ahead. 
They have some of these things 

773
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,080
already. 
And there are some places in 

774
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,960
Europe where you can get the, 
the immune therapies and, and 

775
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,240
it's coming and, and there are 
people working on it here in 

776
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,760
the, in this country, but it's 
not yet available clinically. 

777
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,800
But it's, I imagine within a few
years, particularly if we can 

778
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,200
really, really push and open up 
some of these regulatory issues,

779
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,560
we, we, we will get to some 
studies quicker. 

780
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,880
I feel like the average person, 
like when they have an ailment, 

781
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,040
when they have a pain and 
injury, like they just default 

782
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,920
to go into their primary care 
physician and, you know, 

783
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,320
subscribing to whatever they 
recommend in the, in the 

784
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,520
biohacking space, like in, in 
our space, it's like we're 

785
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:48,560
always looking for the next 
thing. 

786
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,720
We're always on the, the cutting
edge and, and trying to explore 

787
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,200
and we typically never look to 
our primary care to give us the 

788
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,000
best, best feedback and, and 
route of action. 

789
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,280
So like, what is it going to 
take for this modality to, I 

790
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,280
mean, it seems like it's already
there from a cost standpoint, 

791
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,440
like it's more cost effective. 
Even if you're bypassing 

792
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,800
insurance. 
When you look at the lifetime 

793
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,160
cost, the opportunity cost like 
that doesn't seem to be the 

794
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,760
barrier to entry when you look 
at, I think it's just a matter 

795
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,040
of getting it known. 
And if people are going to 

796
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,160
primary care and their primary 
care is not talking about it, 

797
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,640
like I'm assuming, that's 
probably the lowest hanging 

798
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,960
fruit from a education 
standpoint. 

799
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,960
Yeah, and that's why I'm here on
your show today. 

800
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,360
And and I do other shows because
I want to share this with 

801
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,680
people. 
I want to get the word out. 

802
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,400
I want them to know that they or
their family or their friends 

803
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,440
have other options. 
And when you go to your doctor 

804
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,320
and you ask, hey, are there any 
options in the stem cell 

805
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,040
industry? 
Just like my patients asked me. 

806
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,400
And for so long I said, I don't 
know. 

807
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,200
I don't know. 
I don't know if it's ready. 

808
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,640
And finally, I I said, OK, 
something's up and I have to go 

809
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,840
back and do this if they don't 
have an answer for you. 

810
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,360
And, and by the way, I don't 
know is a reasonable answer, but

811
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,360
what it says is let me go ask 
someone else. 

812
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,280
Yeah, if they don't have an 
answer or they say no, you got 

813
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,600
to get another opinion 
somewhere. 

814
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,120
Yeah, I feel like a lot of them 
just default to what they do 

815
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,480
know, what's comfortable. 
So if somebody was to like a lot

816
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,680
of people probably not even 
going to say, hey, what about 

817
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,280
stem cells? 
Like a lot of people don't even 

818
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,280
know that is a feasible option. 
But if they do, I would imagine 

819
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,360
that their doctors would likely 
say it's kind of the new thing. 

820
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,040
We don't have enough research 
or, you know, scientific studies

821
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,880
based on it. 
So let's go ahead with this 

822
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,320
surgery in the meantime instead.
Right. 

823
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,240
That's very common. 
And, and you know what, maybe I 

824
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,440
was guilty of that for a long 
time myself, whereas, you know, 

825
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,080
I learned to do what I was 
trying to do. 

826
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,880
And that was the set of tools I 
offered people. 

827
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,880
And I offered them as best as I 
could and helped as many people 

828
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,200
as I could. 
But man, if I had these other 

829
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,640
tools back then, and maybe they 
weren't ready for prime time 

830
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,080
back then here in the US, but 
they are now. 

831
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:01,240
And that's why I I'm happy to be
part of that and and do my part 

832
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:03,920
to get the word out. 
So what what is that like 

833
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,400
someone listen to this like man,
my knees been bothering me I 

834
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,800
want to I want to go this route 
as opposed to getting a knee 

835
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,600
replacement. 
What, what does that workflow 

836
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,880
look like? 
You they fly to Las Vegas, they 

837
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,960
get an MRI and they. 
No, no, no. 

838
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,160
It's it's a lot easier than 
that. 

839
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,000
So we, we, we get on the zoom 
with them, we get to know them, 

840
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,960
we make sure their body is ready
and all other ways. 

841
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,800
So if you're, if you're not 
healthy, if you're not eating 

842
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,640
right and you're not, you're not
supporting your own stem cells 

843
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,800
yet. 
We got, we got to get that going

844
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,160
first, because if we're going to
do something involving 

845
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,560
regenerative medicine, we want 
your cells to be as receptive as

846
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,880
possible. 
So that could be anywhere from 

847
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,560
bioidentical hormone 
optimization to, you know, 

848
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:53,240
dietary and supplements and in 
food and macros and good 

849
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:56,600
protein. 
And, and you know, you may, you 

850
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,160
may know a whole lot more about 
that than I do. 

851
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,000
And we would, you know, 
restorative sleep, everything we

852
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,880
want everything to be ready. 
So we start to get to know 

853
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,320
somebody, we would order the MRI
and the MRI has to be very 

854
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,520
specifically done. 
It can't be just your 

855
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,560
neighborhood MRI. 
It has to be the high resolution

856
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,280
three Tesla machine. 
So if you went to go buy a new 

857
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,680
TV today, Robert, you'd want the
4K Ultra HD so it has the best 

858
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,320
picture. 
We need that MRI and we need it 

859
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,600
done with some certain 
additional bells and whistles, 

860
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:33,720
sequences that aren't standard, 
doesn't cost more, but but we 

861
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:35,720
have to get them. 
And then when we get the MRI, we

862
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,960
get access to the data. 
Then we get back on the zoom and

863
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,760
we review the results of the 
MRI, the pictures. 

864
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,120
I can share my screen with 
someone and show them, and then 

865
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,680
only if they're a candidate at 
that point do we invite them to 

866
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,320
come out to Las Vegas for the 
injection. 

867
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,760
Gotcha. 
Gotcha. 

868
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:56,040
And that 15,000 that you tossed 
out as as a ballpark figure, 

869
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,840
does that include everything 
from when once they get there 

870
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,680
that I mean, I don't even know 
what the MRI, what's a typical 

871
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,680
MRI cost these days? 
I don't remember what I did when

872
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,360
I got. 
My OCL, you're in Vegas because 

873
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,000
sometimes we do wait for people 
to come here. 

874
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,000
We, we have contracts with local
centers. 

875
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,320
We can get the an MRI of an E 
for $265. 

876
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,880
And you know, there's a little 
bit increase each year, but it, 

877
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,880
it's, it's not bad. 
We sometimes find other places 

878
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,880
throughout the country because 
we have people all over who need

879
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,200
an MRI and we, my staff will 
call around and find a place, 

880
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,680
see if they can negotiate a cash
rate. 

881
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,400
But you can usually find one for
600 or less. 

882
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,320
And if it's done right and it's 
hard to get them to do it right.

883
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,560
And sometimes we've had people 
that they didn't do it all. 

884
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,360
We had to send them back at no 
additional cost and complain 

885
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,840
and, and I and I and I lost the 
rest of the question and, and 

886
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,320
when I was answering that, but 
it includes, it does not include

887
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,320
the MRI. 
Oh, that's the way you're 

888
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,520
asking. 
It includes all the visits, the 

889
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,240
actual, you know, procedure, the
facility. 

890
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:02,040
It includes everything except 
your travel and stay and your 

891
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,480
MRI. 
It's really so it's, it's all in

892
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,840
and, and again, some people just
need one dose, some people need 

893
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,920
5 doses. 
So it's just it varies. 

894
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,560
And is there any body part or 
joint that is off limits per SE 

895
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,600
or is pretty much anything goes?
I would assume the knees and the

896
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,080
spine and the hips probably 
would be the the main focal 

897
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,920
points for people. 
Yeah, I've, I've done toes and 

898
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:32,160
ankles and, you know, arthritic 
thumbs and, and shoulders and 

899
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,120
elbows and, and, you know, AC 
joints. 

900
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,360
So I, I've done quite a bit. 
We are working on getting a 

901
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,520
smaller needle to address TMJ 
problems. 

902
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,240
In the meantime, I have a lot of
people that ask about that. 

903
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,520
There are certain areas of the 
spine that I don't feel 

904
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,600
comfortable getting to through a
needle even though I've been 

905
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,560
there surgically. 
For example, the very top of the

906
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,400
spine or where the skull meets 
the spine. 

907
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,520
We can people can have painful 
joint problems there. 

908
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,080
I just haven't felt comfortable 
getting there because of all 

909
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,600
the, you know, neurologic 
structures nearby. 

910
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:11,960
But in time, perhaps we'll work 
that out. 

911
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:18,120
Is there any risk to this? 
Obviously, if you, you know, 

912
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,840
miss your mark with the needle 
and you hit that, that could be 

913
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,080
bad. 
But apart from that, like if 

914
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,520
you're addressing a knee, for 
instance, like, what is the 

915
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,160
worst case scenario? 
Like what? 

916
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,040
What What can you mess up apart 
from just missing the target? 

917
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:36,400
Well, any, anytime you put a 
needle in someone, you know, 

918
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,040
like you said, you can, you can 
hit something you're not 

919
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,720
supposed to hit. 
You could put it in the wrong 

920
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:41,400
place and it wouldn't have a 
benefit. 

921
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,120
You could get an infection if 
you don't, you know, pay 

922
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,880
attention to your cleanliness 
and aesthetic technique and you 

923
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,360
know, you know, keeping it 
sterile, things like that. 

924
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,680
Other than that, I, I, 
everything else is just 

925
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,400
completely hypothetical. 
Like we talked about the 

926
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:02,920
rejection, although I've never 
seen it. 

927
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,960
Yeah. 
So significant less risk all in 

928
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,880
then you know, having, you know,
open knee surgery and getting 

929
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,280
you know, joint replace that 
would assume. 

930
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,000
Right. 
Oh, yeah, the, the, the risks of

931
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,360
joint replacement. 
You know, I think, I think it's 

932
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,200
3 or 4% of people have some 
complication, whether it's a 

933
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,400
blood clot or, you know, 
problematic swelling or lung 

934
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,040
infection or urinary infection 
from the catheter. 

935
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,280
I mean, there's so much that's 
going on with the joint 

936
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,160
replacement surgery that adds 
risk compared to an injection. 

937
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,120
Plus it just sucks, man. 
Like seeing my mom go through 

938
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,960
her two knee surgeries, hip 
surgery. 

939
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,400
It's like, I mean, you're 
walking around in a cane, a 

940
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,840
Walker, crutches, like six 
months just to get back to where

941
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,200
you were. 
Like to me, that's just, that's 

942
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,160
just no fun. 
Yeah, it's pain. 

943
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,400
It's a painful recovery. 
You know, I've, I've watched and

944
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,720
helped so many people with spine
surgeries like that recover. 

945
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:05,280
And it's, you know, and, and I 
know some surgeons that, you 

946
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,200
know, just lament having to see 
those patients in the first few 

947
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,000
weeks after surgery because 
it's, it's, it's a guarantee 

948
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,360
they're not going to be super 
happy. 

949
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,160
Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. 
Well, this is super exciting, 

950
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,840
man. 
I am very intrigued by this. 

951
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,440
I definitely do want to dive in 
and see, you know, sports 

952
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,360
specific for me with natural 
bodybuilding, like what they 

953
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,640
allow, what they don't allow. 
But like I, I want to live my 

954
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,200
most optimal life as healthfully
as I can for as long as I can. 

955
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,040
And I think that should be 
anybody's goal. 

956
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,280
And I feel like this makes a lot
more sense than going the route 

957
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,800
of, you know, pharmacology or or
surgery if it's not needed. 

958
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,960
Yeah, I I love the way you 
think. 

959
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,680
I wish everyone did. 
And everyone doesn't, of course.

960
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:51,600
And but we're here to help 
anyone who we can who wants to 

961
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,720
pursue that a goal like yours. 
So yeah, this is this is I've, 

962
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:59,040
I've become excited. 
And I'm not only a practitioner 

963
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,560
of it, I'm also a customer. 
I've been, you know, using these

964
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,200
myself and offering it to people
I know. 

965
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,920
And it's, it's been wonderful. 
What? 

966
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,440
What have you done personally, 
if you don't mind me asking? 

967
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,240
Like just like your. 
Own Yeah, I've been doing the IV

968
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,480
just for general Wellness, aches
and pains, things like that, 

969
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,120
anti ageing. 
And then I've done some of the I

970
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,960
had a little thinning spot on my
top of my head, losing some hair

971
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,960
follicles. 
So I've done 4 injections in my 

972
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,040
scalp. 
And how does that work? 

973
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,360
Like, how does the hair loss 
thing go, 'cause I was, I mean, 

974
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,320
people are funny, man. 
Like people will put their their

975
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,720
knee on the back burner, but if 
they lose their hair, like we 

976
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:37,400
got to get that fixed. 
Yeah. 

977
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,960
Well, you know, it's, it's, it's
very simple. 

978
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,360
You know, we, we just, we put 
some topical numbing on the 

979
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,840
scalp and then in, in then we 
inject the areas where you have 

980
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,840
thin hair and there's reduces 
the inflammatory follicular 

981
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:57,600
damage and helps improve the, 
the hair, saves the hair 

982
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,720
follicles that are trying to die
off. 

983
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:01,600
So that's that's what we've seen
there. 

984
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,240
And you noticed a pretty, pretty
significant improvement 

985
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,680
relatively soon? 
We have I'd say we have mixed 

986
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,360
results with with the hair I 
have if if you have a a full on 

987
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,640
ball, like if you have a few 
inch bald spot on separate hood,

988
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,720
I'm probably not going to be 
able to inject exosome, stem 

989
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:19,920
cell derived exosomes and regrow
your hair. 

990
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,600
If you have an area that's 
thinning, that's where we want 

991
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,360
to catch you from losing anymore
and start to thicken it up. 

992
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,120
We have seen that I've had some 
good results on myself. 

993
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:31,880
We also combine it with some 
topical peptides and things we 

994
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,240
recommend you get now when we 
get into these future these, 

995
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:40,160
these induced pluripotent stem 
cells and things I was alluding 

996
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,760
to earlier. 
I think those will probably be 

997
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:47,720
useful in in regrowing hair 
follicles in the bald in the 

998
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:49,960
full on bald. 
Yeah, no, that makes sense. 

999
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:53,800
So when you look at the the 
average typical lifespan for 

1000
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,080
Americans, for instance, I'm not
even sure what the stats show 

1001
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,280
now is. 
I want to say it's like 77 or 

1002
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,600
something like that, and 
probably 8182 for females, 77 

1003
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,080
for males, and maybe I think 
it's something like that. 

1004
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,080
Yeah. 
In 20 years, for instance, let's

1005
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:13,240
say this new regenerative cell 
therapy is the standard of care.

1006
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,480
What do you assume the average 
lifespan will be at that point? 

1007
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,760
Like if you I mean this is 
totally speculative, but just 

1008
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,120
out of curiosity. 
So it is, but you, you use the 

1009
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,000
word average, which I think is 
important because when you look 

1010
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,720
at these lifespan tables, if you
are a person who pursues health 

1011
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:31,120
and Wellness, you know, you, 
you're in the good group on the,

1012
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,400
they don't separate those, but 
remember, they're mixing in to 

1013
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,920
those numbers, the healthy 
people and the people that smoke

1014
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,800
2 packs a day. 
So, so the average, you know, 

1015
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,600
you're, you're going to exceed 
the average. 

1016
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,920
So I would, I would say that 
with current technologies, 

1017
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,840
depending on how much you take 
advantage of them, IV therapies,

1018
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,880
stem cells, exosomes, things 
like that. 

1019
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,560
I mean, I, I don't see why we 
couldn't add anywhere from 25 to

1020
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:01,280
50 years for super avid 
adoptees, people that do this 

1021
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,120
all the time. 
So that that that's what I see. 

1022
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:07,280
And we would have that 
technology at our fingertips 

1023
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,560
within the next 20 years for 
sure, you would think. 

1024
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,480
It's here now. 
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's 

1025
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,560
crazy, man. 
I, I look at people who pay no 

1026
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,200
mind to their health, who eat 
whatever they want to drink, 

1027
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,480
smoke, do all the wrong things. 
And it's just, it's, it's it's 

1028
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,600
kind of disheartening because 
like you see the masses, 

1029
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,080
especially in America, it seems 
as though we're going, we're 

1030
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,120
dropping off a Cliff from a 
health standpoint. 

1031
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,840
But then like, you know, like in
my circle, talking to the 

1032
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,360
biohackers, talking to the 
people that are paying attention

1033
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,000
here, talking to you, it's like 
the people that are trying to 

1034
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,120
push the envelope. 
Like the technology's there, the

1035
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,840
information's there, the 
abilities there. 

1036
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,920
And it's like the the gap 
between the haves and the have 

1037
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,480
nots with regards to health is 
growing incredibly, incredibly 

1038
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,960
broad. 
I would agree with that. 

1039
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,480
I think I would. 
I would. 

1040
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,640
I've had the same observation. 
You're right. 

1041
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,240
Very interesting. 
Well, I'm super excited, man. 

1042
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,280
I'm excited about what you're 
doing. 

1043
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,880
I'm excited about learning more.
I I'm excited to figure out how 

1044
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,280
I can continue to be the best 
bodybuilder I can be well into 

1045
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,440
my later years. 
So I'm going to be giving you 

1046
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,480
some business, man. 
Anytime I'm here for you, you 

1047
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,360
and any of your listeners, I'm 
happy to help in any way that I 

1048
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,720
can and I appreciate you know 
you having me on. 

1049
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,480
Thank you. 
My pleasure, my pleasure where 

1050
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,800
people go to find out more and 
book a console and take next 

1051
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,040
steps. 
Look, look me up at Re Celebrate

1052
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:38,400
is the name of the company. 
So we it's spelled RECELLEBRATE 

1053
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:39,760
and that's the name for 
everything. 

1054
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,600
It's our website 
isrecelebrate.com, Instagram, 

1055
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:49,160
LinkedIn, Facebook, TikTok, 
Pinterest, wherever wherever you

1056
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,640
put in re Celebrate, you'll find
us. 

1057
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,200
The branding is on point man. 
I can totally see where somebody

1058
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,920
is trying to set like spell, you
know, re celebrate would 

1059
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,120
possibly spell it wrong, but 
like you got recalibrate, you 

1060
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,720
got rejuvenate, you got you got 
regenerate, you got all that 

1061
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,720
under one roofs. 
The branding's on point. 

1062
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:07,480
Thank you man. 
Appreciate that. 

1063
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,640
Doctor Jeff, really appreciate 
the time, man. 

1064
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,520
Appreciate the insight. 
If there's everything I can do 

1065
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,280
for you, by all means, just let 
me know. 

1066
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,480
I'd love to talk again. 
Thanks, Robert. 

1067
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,640
Sounds good. 
Take care. 

1068
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:17,840
Take care.