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What's going on? 
Ladies and gents? 

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Robert Sykes, keto, Savage not 
comment today. 

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I have special, repeat guests 
Sim land. 

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How are you, man? 
I'm doing a pretty amazing. 

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How are you? 
I'm doing wonderful as well. 

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So, I kind of I, we were, last 
time I had you on, we talked 

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about those about a whole gamut 
of different things. 

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We talked about, like, a lot of 
the biohacking, but I kind of, I

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mean, you're the type of person 
that's just always diving deep 

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and experimenting. 
And seeing, you know what, what 

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the society saying about one 
thing, and they kind of testing 

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against it. 
So, I'd love for you to just 

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kind of take the reins and run 
loose, With a man like what are 

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some things that you're 
experimenting on yourself? 

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Now what were some things are 
excited about, what are some 

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things that you want to refute? 
I think at the moment my biggest

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Focus has been a lot to do with 
intermittent fasting and 

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combining it with resistance 
training as well. 

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Just to because the one of the 
reasons is that although there 

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are like a lot of these 
different while acts and 

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supplements and all those 
gimmicks you can do to promote 

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longevity or some health. 
I sell. 

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I think think that the 
Fundamentals are where you get 

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most of the benefits and the 
where you were like most of the 

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effects, Li and like fasting, as
well as doing resistance 

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training to build muscle. 
I feel like those things are 

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really one of those, easiest 
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Everyone can do and those things
will actually have like the 

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biggest effects or a general 
well-being and Longevity. 

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So you know the benefits are 
also like I do. 

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Will you get 20 benefits from 
both of them? 

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Because fasting itself is like a
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the body, and it is like a 
catabolic stressor, which like 

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promotes certain aspects of 
tissue degradation with that be 

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like burning your fat or 
burning, some of the other 

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unwanted proteins and unwanted 
muscle tissue in your body. 

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While at the same time, still 
having, like, some longevity 

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boosting benefits because of 
the, because of the pathway, 

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called a tough OG and promoting 
some stem cells, and all those 

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good things for increasing rice.
And he'll spend and that's why I

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like fasting itself. 
He's like, it's it may come off 

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like some something that is 
unwanted or it has like negative

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connotations, but it still is 
very beneficial for the body and

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it's actually like, you want to 
be, you know, you want to be 

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certain to a certain extent. 
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catabolic every once in a while,
just your body could clean house

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and, and really heal itself from
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And at the same time, you know, 
you don't You want to take it 

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too far because you know the 
body's still functions best when

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it's out of balance and that's 
where like the aspect of 

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resistance training comes into 
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muscle and you want to maintain 
it and you don't want to lose it

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as you get older especially 
because it's like more difficult

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for you to build muscle as you 
age and it's comes with a like a

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host of other issues. 
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diseases are related to loss of 
muscle and losing losing some of

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the insulin sensitivity. 
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intolerant to metabolizing 
carbohydrates and and generally 

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like losing this sort of, you 
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everything related. 
So, I feel I feel like using 

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both fasting and resistance 
training out, like, you optimize

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both ends of the spectrum. 
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catabolic side, and you optimize
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anabolic side as well. 
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because, like, you know, for me 
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background. 
And I don't do this this way 

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now, but, you know, prior to 
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delving into that, you know, it 
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more than two hours without a 
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Because if you didn't have 
protein, you know, every two 

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hours and your muscles were 
just, you know, breaking down 

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and disappear in which we all we
all know is obviously not the 

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case now. 
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even even knowing what I know 
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catabolism and being in a state 
of being Pollock is always 

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viewed as a negative and it's 
interesting to kind of bridge 

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the gap and say, yeah. 
You know, you might you might 

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forego some muscle building, you
might sacrifice some of that for

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a, you know, finite strategic 
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But then if in doing that you 
clean house as you say and you 

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know, give yourself a better 
Foundation to clean slate that 

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makes building muscle and being 
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going forward. 
It's a worthwhile trade-off and 

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and most people don't View, you 
know, dieting and building 

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muscle and longevity in such a 
shade of grey. 

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It's typically viewed as like a 
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But, you know, when you look at 
it in that shade of gray, 

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that's, that's that's where a 
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from, I think. 
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there is, I feel like there is 
this idea that you can't 

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optimize longevity and 
performance at the same time? 

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So say I would say that in their
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coincide with each other, like, 
an Olympic Athlete. 

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Probably doesn't you know, 
optimize That's not their goal. 

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But for most people, they can 
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Have adequate amounts of muscle,
like be strong at the gym and 

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like this still get all of the 
other Blonde Joey to booting 

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benefits from it. 
So they don't have to enclose 

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themselves to a cave if they 
want to live longer or they 

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don't, they don't have to 
sacrifice their kind of other 

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longevity aspects by, you know, 
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And and such you can of course, 
you can achieve both to a 

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certain extent, you do stuff to 
know why How to optimize it and 

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again like I feel, you know, 
using resistance training and 

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being clever with your nutrition
is is really one of those key 

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parts and you in a sense of 
knowing what kind of a lever, am

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I pulling with my metabolism? 
And my nutrition at that 

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particular moment? 
And what kind of a direction, my

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body is going to hit, that's 
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what I feel. 
The most Focus has to be on 

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because like I said, in the 
past, you were kind of afraid of

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going catabolic because you 
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you. 
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mainstream Fitness industry, 
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that the kind of advice that 
that is given to people to eat a

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very frequently and have like a 
bunch of protein and very low 

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fat and carbs. 
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device is actually doing a lot 
of harm to people because they 

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don't get the whole picture. 
So to say that they don't tell 

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the whole people. 
Don't tell the people that what 

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kind of consequences it may have
down the line in a few years or 

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how it's going to affect their 
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They only get like the 
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And the most of the fitness 
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how does metabolism real work. 
And what are they like side 

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effects? 
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Like you only see the Highlight 
Reel and you only see the 

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headlines. 
So people they'll bounce around 

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from one headline to the other 
and they'll try everything and 

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in reality their bodies making 
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screwing up their metabolism and
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They're the start their 
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in the first place. 
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It becomes a very unhealthy. 
Process like the Quest for 

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longevity and overall health and
and you know, optimizing your 

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performance should be an in job 
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But when you are constantly 
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spectrum, the other and listen 
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points of wisdom that aren't 
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It's a, it can certainly become 
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don't know to the extent of what
the research shows on this, but 

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maybe you can shed some light on
it with, with fasting similar to

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like sauna use, for instance, 
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there's a period of time there 
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benefiting and improving the 
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regard to fasting. 
Is there any way to I'm assuming

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this can be very highly 
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way to know what the window of 
opportunity? 

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So to speak is in which you 
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time and you include improve, 
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enough to Warrant any temporary,
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have on muscle tissue. 
At that point, like, is there 

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any kind of way to gauge that? 
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that you can gauge it that way 
at your home. 

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You would probably have to take 
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something to see, like how much 
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tough idea or actually, you 
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particular moment. 
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it's going to be very 
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vary greatly between different 
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like the metabolic status of the
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moment. 
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benefits of fasting such as like
increased growth hormone and 

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Itachi and ketosis. 
They're mostly kind of mediated 

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through this fuel sensing 
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fuel sensor that mobilizes. 
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stores such as like stem cells 
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So ampk gets activated under 
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body gets depleted of sir. 
The nutrients as most, the most 

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important ones are amino acids, 
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glucose, which from carbs. 
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glucose are kind of low or if 
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also depleted then that's going 
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Emptor and in. 
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ampk to do its work. 
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the the That's going to help to 
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So in general if you keep your 
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carb diet and then you can 
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faster and you get into like the
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well faster because you don't 
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in the system. 
So your body is already somewhat

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depleted. 
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already activating ampk to a 
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Logan and low. 
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So you your you would probably 
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the benefits of fasting much 
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yeah, you don't have like a 
bunch of extra fuel that you 

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have to kind of burn through. 
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That makes the makes total 
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You mentioned mtor there. 
Can you can you flesh and then 

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out because I feel like a lot of
people either here mtor the main

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target of rapamycin and you 
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okay. 
That's that's great. 

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That's what builds muscle, I got
to have that. 

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Muscle protein synthesis and 
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And then the other half is like,
you know, that that's that's a 

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negative. 
It can cause cancer like there's

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just this like a split right 
down the middle as far as what 

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people's view of inventory. 
So I'd love you to kind of 

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expand upon that. 
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And Tory is the anabolic switch 
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everything grow including the 
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And unfortunately, if there are 
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those things are will probably 
grow up as well, and aimed 

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towards oppression has been 
shown to like, Be able to fight 

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cancer and tumors, as well as 
extend lifespan in some species.

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So, but the idea of employee 
giving you cancer specifically, 

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it's kind of misleading because 
if you don't have like any, you 

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know, preconditions or if you 
don't have any reasons to be 

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worried about it. 
If you don't have any cancer 

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already then and then you 
probably don't have to worry 

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about MTAR either because Emptor
is still like essential for 

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life. 
And it's really important for 

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maintaining muscle mass as well 
as a cellular You think so. 

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Most people, they don't really 
have to worry about, you know, 

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over activating mtor within a, 
like, a reasonable dose. 

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Of course, if you do, the 
standard bodybuilding diet with,

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you know, eating six times a day
with high protein and high carbs

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then, yeah. 
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stimulating Emptor. 
And that may have like some 

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unwanted consequences on like 
accelerating aging and such, but

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yeah, on on like a regular type 
of diet on especially when Ikeda

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at where protein itself isn't 
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It's still moderate in that 
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you know, worry about it. 
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some form of intermittent 
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opposite of anabolism. 
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synthesis active, and you will 
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you know, even build it. 
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good, you know, parallel would 
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adapted athlete as insulin is to
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with with the with regard to, 
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ebb and flow and how you know, 
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agent basically. 
Yeah yeah. 

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Like the biggest in torque is 
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synthesis which will help you to
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Muscle and you don't need 
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consuming a carbs despite came 
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accelerate this Spike faster 
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water, weight retention and 
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But on a keto diet, mtor itself,
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You know what Spike that high? 
Just because of like, you don't 

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Spike insulin on a keto diet, 
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emperor and most This is higher 
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glucagon which will, which is 
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So, the spike of in the spike of
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in tour. 
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that. 
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worthwhile point to stress, kind
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carbon, a inverse sceeto 
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Yeah, well, let's say you eat. 
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has done quite a lot of research
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eating protein on a low carb. 
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It's not kind of Spike insulin, 
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And it's, it's going to keep it,
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based on like the incident to 
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And on a carved car, based diet,
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going to spike incident much 
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Diets or a low-carb diet. 
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of punctuate further the spike 
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insulin spikes mtor and 
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proteins by counter. 
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So to say, your body's still 
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Absorb the protein but it's not 
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spike of him to reject. 
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high amount of insulin around. 
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muscle as efficiently per se 
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off of that alone as a you know,
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doing so you're also a less like
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negatives that come. 
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carbs and proteins together and 
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And they're all of course, 
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steroids as well which will, you
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or who aren't who don't have, 
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Olympia then for them, they 
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just to build muscle. 
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optimal diet for muscle 
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Although it's very possible and 
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more sustainable. 
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diet, you may I see the gains 
coming slower but it's still 

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like, it's still possible and 
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well as preferable from the 
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that way. 
Yeah, I totally agree and I've 

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always said pretty much the same
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like, me as an athlete. 
I don't think that I'm building 

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muscle as quickly per se being 
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But, you know, when you look at 
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composition cycle per se of an 
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like a, like a bodybuilder will 
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building season in a cutting 
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And typically, you know, a carb 
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put on a little excess body fats
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offseason. 
The on a lot of muscle then 

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they'll cut that down and they 
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more times more often than not, 
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excluding the ones that are 
using some pretty enhanced Super

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Supplement so to speak. 
You know, you are going to lose.

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I mean you're going to be in a 
cat box that you're going to 

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lose some of that muscle tissue.
So you build more muscle in the 

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offseason, you lose more muscle 
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I would think you know like 
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butter would like I'm not 
building his punch. 

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Also, per se in the offseason, 
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muscle. 
And then when you look at, you 

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know, the end of the day, when 
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who comes out of head for like, 
I don't think that they're 

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maintaining enough muscle. 
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net positive over me as a key to
adapt an ethnic, if that makes 

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any sense, and then I can just 
basically stay Quito and forego,

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a lot of the negatives that come
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dieting. 
So for me, it makes sense to To 

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just stay Quito and maybe, you 
know, sacrifice some of that 

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initial muscle gain at such a 
rate, but then all the other 

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benefits that come with it just 
make it, you know, definitely 

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worthwhile in my opinion. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Like on a carb is that you do 
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only like the water weight but 
also like in terms of your more 

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predisposed to losing muscle, 
whenever you're not on the on 

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So to say that you actually 

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Reason why you have to be 
eating. 

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So frequently is to prevent 
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because the Argo body isn't 
keyboard update. 

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And every time you are skipping 
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Then you're losing muscle just 
because your body doesn't know 

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how to use its own body fat 
versus on the keto diet, that's 

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like the opposite. 
You actually thrive in these 

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moments where you're not eating 
just because you're going to be 

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burning, all your body fat and 
that's going to also protect 

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against the muscle catabolism, 
and it's like really a good way 

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of, you know, getting the, it's 
a good way. 

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A of getting all of the positive
side of catabolism from fasting 

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without suffering, entirely from
the negative side. 

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So to say you're not going to 
lose muscle when you're fasting 

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and that's gonna simply enable 
you to fast more often. 

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Fast more longer and yeah, it's 
going to have like a more 

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beneficial effect on longevity. 
Yeah. 

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Plus, I mean, just looking at 
the lifestyle that comes along 

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with it. 
I mean, you know, when I'm in a 

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contest prep and I'm Kido and 
that eating, you know, I mean, 

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oftentimes those eating one meal
a day. 

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You know, one or two meals, a 
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I was hungry obviously but I 
didn't feel like I was just you 

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know totally incompetent like I 
don't have the crazy brain fog 

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that a lot of competitors you 
know, suffer from when they're 

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when they're carbs are low, 
since that's my norm and and 

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that alone is like another, 
another huge factor that makes 

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dieting with a ketogenic 
approach more sustainable. 

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But it's a hard, I don't know, 
like, I feel like a lot of 

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people we live in a world, In 
which they want that instant 

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gratification, and it's A Hard 
Sell to encourage people to, you

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know, forego some initial muscle
building, you know, on the front

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end to buy for my kids unique 
diet because they're not 

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thinking of, okay? 
All things equal when you step 

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onstage, you know and you know 
years from now who's healthier 

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both internally and who and 
externally and that's that's 

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where the issue lies. 
I think. 

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I mean how do you convince a 
bodybuilder? 

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Did not build as much muscle as 
possible in the moment, you 

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know, like that's a heart. 
That's a hard sell. 

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Yeah, well, we're gonna probably
have to have like some sort of a

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full keto athlete becoming ifbb 
Pro when I'm going to Olympia 

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stage and you know, winning 
something. 

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So, the get like some more 
attention, so people get 

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curious. 
Yeah. 

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I think like, it's definitely, 
it's definitely something that 

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could be cycled as well. 
And if you are, you know, going 

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through a certain phase in your 
life, when you want to maximize 

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your muscle growth, especially 
She'll if you were like young 

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and full of natural 
testosterone, then then you 

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would maybe like you know. 
Okay. 

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I'm and I'm eating a little bit 
more carbs but it's not going to

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be like a big deal either be as 
long as you you know cycle it in

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a sense that you stay on a 
higher carb diet for certain 

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while and then after a while you
kind of settle down you start to

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gradually lower your carbs. 
And you know you it's I don't 

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think it's necessary to be 
staying on a really strict. 

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You do that all the time to gain
the benefits. 

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As well as a to avoid the side 
effects of high carb diet. 

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You don't even have to be going 
on a super high carb diet, 

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within a processed carbs, and, 
and cereal, and these chicken 

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breasts you can still say stay 
even on a like, somewhat of a, 

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you know, on like a pillow top 
or tired and still be building 

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plenty of muscle with it and 
then on some days on rest days, 

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for instance, you go into, like 
a keto template, and you don't 

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eat any carbs at all. 
So it's the kind of you but your

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body will. 
Develop the medical flexibility 

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as well. 
You just have to actually become

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clear adapted to a certain 
extent for some period of time 

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so that you can kind of build up
the fat burning Machinery, in 

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your mitochondria. 
Because most most, the issues, 

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most of the issues come from the
body, not being metabolically 

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flexible. 
And on a standard diet on people

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who have never fasted or know 
who have no skip the meal, their

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body is very inflexible and 
that's why they get the cravings

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and that's why they get the 
brain fog. 

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So, the key to ratification is 
like the The Cornerstone to 

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becoming metabolic fixable 
because you need to, you know, 

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be able to tap in to a body fat 
and not be like affected by it. 

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I totally agree with that. 
I'm a little on the fence as to 

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whether or not. 
I think, once you are metabolic,

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metabolic inflexible and you 
are, you know, benefiting from 

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from Quito that there is as much
benefit from going back to the 

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carbs. 
Like if your, if your carb 

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dependent and you're suffering 
from all that comes with that or

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or whatever. 
And you, and you go Kido And you

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kind of breach in a metabolic 
flexibility there. 

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Like that's a huge step in the 
right direction. 

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I think that needs to be 
everybody's goal but like for 

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me, for instance, I'm not sure 
that I would have enough benefit

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come from, you know, dipping 
back into carbs to make it more 

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worth my while. 
I like once, I'm key to adapt 

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and I don't necessarily need to 
be metabolically flexible. 

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Like my might, like the 
machineries there. 

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Like if I was to be stranded on 
an island and there was no meat 

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and I had to eat carbs, I got 
it, I would function just fine. 

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But given the option, I don't 
know that I would, I don't know 

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that. 
Have much of a benefit from 

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introducing the cars back. 
I mean, maybe I don't know. 

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What do you think? 
Yeah, it's like, it's like some,

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it's not necessarily having to 
be, you know, like a full blown 

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out. 
Fluctuation in a sense, you 

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don't need to be like I feel 
like a lot of the negative 

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connotations about the cyclical 
keto.com from people going 

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00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,300
really crazy with them and 
eating like a bunch of cake and 

445
00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:07,100
chips and all those things and 
then feeling like crap the next 

446
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:08,600
day. 
So it's not it's not going to be

447
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,200
supposed to supposed to work, 
but I feel like you can still 

448
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:14,100
Will you know maintain that 
aspect of metabolic flexibility 

449
00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:16,100
by? 
Maybe only having like a sweet 

450
00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:20,500
potato as dinner on some days 
and doing it maybe like a few 

451
00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:23,300
times a week or maybe a few 
times a month to know depending 

452
00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:25,600
on your goals and depending on 
how you feel like it's not 

453
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,800
necessary to go, like really 
crazy with it. 

454
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,100
And I do think that, you know, 
for a most time like 80% of the 

455
00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:34,400
time you still want to stay on a
low carb, keto template just 

456
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,800
because of like, you will 
maintain better key rotation and

457
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,200
you will probably feel better 
mentally as well. 

458
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,600
So yeah, yuge Using I only 
incorporate some metabolic 

459
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,100
flexibility with carbs just so I
wouldn't you know get to get 

460
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:52,300
these sort of reactions where I 
get brain fog, whenever I 

461
00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:54,700
accidentally eat some potatoes 
in a soup at the restaurant or 

462
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:59,200
something, you know that I don't
want to lose this and this the 

463
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,300
ability to metabolize carbs 
properly. 

464
00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:03,900
So to say if like there are 
there's definitely a lot of 

465
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,600
potential issues of avoiding 
certain and nutrients. 

466
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:11,900
Like, I don't know, gluten or 
lectins or A certain period of 

467
00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:14,700
time and everybody actually 
develops that, like, a 

468
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:18,400
resistance towards them and just
because of you, you previously 

469
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,400
didn't have any problems, but 
you read some books and at the 

470
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,200
dangerous and you started 
avoiding them and then your 

471
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,100
body, you know, develops an 
autoimmune disorder whenever you

472
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:29,000
next time we eat em. 
So that's not like an ideal 

473
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,200
place to be, you just, you know,
incorporate some, some aspects 

474
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,500
of them. 
Every once in a while, just 

475
00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:37,800
search to keep like the 
metabolic history alive and do 

476
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,400
we do we not like affected by 
them in the long term? 

477
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:42,700
Yeah. 
I See that, you know, I can see 

478
00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:45,700
if you're going to be in a 
situation or environment where 

479
00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:48,700
you're, you know, you're going 
to have scarves, you know, it 

480
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:52,200
would be advantageous for your 
body to not, you know, 

481
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:54,500
unrecognized them be 
unrecognizable. 

482
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:56,900
I what you would want them to be
able to know what to do with 

483
00:25:56,900 --> 00:26:00,600
them basically. 
Like for I love to get your pain

484
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,100
on this like for me, you know I 
can like if I'm at a restaurant 

485
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:07,100
and there's, you know, some 
potatoes in the soup. 

486
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:08,900
I could just like fast and then 
eat the soup. 

487
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:16,000
Like if I'm totally Lee cool and
fun with not ever having a bolus

488
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,200
of carbs again in my life, which
I am like, I am I missing out on

489
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,300
anything. 
Why do you think that I'm in an 

490
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:26,900
inherent disadvantage? 
Because I mean, I think, you 

491
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:29,500
know, we live in a day and age, 
where you know, there's enough 

492
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:33,100
food in abundance that, I mean, 
I could always pick what to eat.

493
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,100
I mean, I could see where it be 
at a disadvantage. 

494
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:37,900
If you know, for I was like held
at gunpoint and told to eat a 

495
00:26:37,908 --> 00:26:41,200
bunch of, you know, carbs but if
that's not the case. 

496
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,400
It's like do you think I'm 
missing out by not having the 

497
00:26:43,408 --> 00:26:45,700
carbs? 
No, no I don't think so like not

498
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:48,200
really like. 
Yeah if you were to be you know 

499
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,500
if you were to be able to go 
through a life for the rest of 

500
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:54,300
her life on the same diet that 
you're doing right now, then 

501
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:56,700
that will be like perfectly fine
and I sense your body would be 

502
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,100
like, really efficient at the 
cat running ketones and add up 

503
00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:02,600
that to that and the same for 
like the carnivore that as well.

504
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,600
Like, if you were to be eating 
the same the same meat and, you 

505
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,100
know, the same, the same kind of
our diet, all the time for the 

506
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:11,000
rest of life, and not consume 
any plants. 

507
00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:13,600
Then that would be like I would 
imagine, it's okay. 

508
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,700
It's just that. 
They're like, if you are aware 

509
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:18,500
to accidentally eat something 
out of the ordinary, something 

510
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:21,200
that's not normal to your diet, 
then you would probably, you 

511
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,300
know, experience some of the 
negative side effects, like some

512
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:26,700
lethargy, or brain, fog, or even
some like serious got orders or 

513
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:28,700
something. 
So, yeah, this is the second 

514
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:30,500
year, like some proof of 
preference preference. 

515
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:32,900
I die myself wouldn't want to 
become. 

516
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:36,000
I myself wouldn't want to Corner
myself into like that, that 

517
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,600
position. 
I would want to be like a more 

518
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,100
flexible and be able to like 
tolerate some random randomness.

519
00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:43,700
Like I'm not going to be 
ordering, you know, potato soup 

520
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:46,400
at restaurants any means or not.
I'm not going to go. 

521
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:49,100
I'm not going to be ordered at 
Liberty ordering the key, but I 

522
00:27:49,108 --> 00:27:52,300
still want my body to be, you 
know, ready for it. 

523
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:54,800
Whenever you accidentally comes 
or whenever the situation, you 

524
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,900
know, writers do you think 
they're like, you know, and 

525
00:27:57,900 --> 00:27:59,900
there's no way to really know 
this though. 

526
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:01,600
There's no way that I could 
think of the test because 

527
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,400
there's no long-term studies to 
this degree. 

528
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,700
But I feel like being stripped, 
the heat of adapted as I have 

529
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:09,600
for, as long as I have, you 
know, for five years now. 

530
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,700
It's improved the machinery. 
That I have at, you know, just 

531
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:14,700
day-to-day function but also, 
you know, from a performance 

532
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:16,700
athletes perspective, you know, 
building muscle. 

533
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:20,300
So, like, if I'm not introducing
carbs, I don't have that as a 

534
00:28:20,308 --> 00:28:23,800
variable in my nutrition, then, 
you know, I'm still subjecting 

535
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,900
my body to the stimulus of 
training and you know, moving 

536
00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:29,500
heavy things and having the form
and all that stuff that comes 

537
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:31,900
with being a bodybuilder. 
I feel like since I haven't 

538
00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:34,500
introduced carbs in the Inner 
Room, you know over the course 

539
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:37,100
of the past 45 years, my body's 
Machinery has improved to the 

540
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:40,800
point that I'm not even really 
missing out like my new Norm has

541
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,200
become. 
The ketogenic diet and I'm able 

542
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,700
to build muscle just as 
effectively if not more. 

543
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:50,600
So than, you know, I was in 
years prior because I just like,

544
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:55,500
really just streamlined the 
operation but again, I don't 

545
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:57,200
know how there be any way to 
quantify that. 

546
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,600
Like it would be just such a, 
just too many variables at play 

547
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,800
to be able to test that, but I 
do think there's a hair 

548
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:09,000
advantage to, you know, being 
strictly adapted long-term just 

549
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000
as there's an inherent advantage
to being metabolic. 

550
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,400
People like depending on what 
your goals are, depending on 

551
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,900
what you're trying to 
accomplish, there can be an 

552
00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:17,700
argument for an advantage with 
everything. 

553
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:22,100
But what do you think to the 
terms of just being strictly 

554
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:24,300
adapted for years on end? 
Well, I do think yeah. 

555
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:28,100
Like that's it's especially true
here that if you do it long term

556
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,700
then your body will adapt to. 
It's a very efficiently 

557
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:32,800
especially like different 
tissues and organs like the 

558
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,200
brain, the mitochondria and even
muscle. 

559
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,700
So to say that the things that 
you would maybe want to the 

560
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:44,400
things you could kind of Record 
if I would be reads of glycogen 

561
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,200
resynthesis, especially with 
things like eating fats and 

562
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,800
such. 
So on a keto diet, your main 

563
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,700
fuel source is that and ketones.
So they would still kind of 

564
00:29:56,700 --> 00:30:00,900
replicate the, the idea that 
you're eating glucose almost. 

565
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:04,400
So I would suggest that they are
like the ketones in the fats. 

566
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:07,300
They are the same as carbs on a 
car. 

567
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:11,300
But after that Lee and the only 
difference might be that the The

568
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:13,800
kind of rates of glycogen 
resynthesis would still be 

569
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,000
somewhat limited by the 
procedure of the, by the race of

570
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,600
gluconeogenesis, sort of say. 
So in order to store glycogen on

571
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,900
a keto diet, then you still need
to convert those fats into 

572
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:28,200
glucose through gluconeogenesis.
So you would probably think 

573
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,200
we'll be doing it much faster 
and much more efficiently than 

574
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,000
someone else. 
So the quarterback or adapted 

575
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,600
athlete, they probably don't 
convert any fat into glycogen. 

576
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,200
At least, I can reasonably long.
But I would say, yeah, you 

577
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,200
probably like resynthesize 
glycogen faster with fetes and 

578
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,100
as well as like you're probably 
able to trigger muscle protein 

579
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:53,100
synthesis either bitter or 
either. 

580
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:55,300
You would probably trigger it, 
you know, more efficiently. 

581
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:58,700
You don't need that much insulin
your, you don't need that much 

582
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,200
protein to trigger muscle 
protein synthesis, just because 

583
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000
you like the ketones 
substitutes, a lot of the energy

584
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,500
requirements, especially for the
brain and other vital organs. 

585
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:08,900
So, yeah, you definitely 
definitely. 

586
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:13,100
Like there is a lot of You know 
adaptation that will make 

587
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:15,200
running on ketones. 
Much more efficient especially 

588
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,900
if you do it like over the 
course of a mini years and also 

589
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,700
there's I believe there was 
definitely like some epigenetic 

590
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:23,300
change as well, just because of 
running on Ketone. 

591
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,100
Like there is differently. 
I got genetic difference between

592
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:30,100
the Inuit as well as you know, 
the Maasai or someone from some 

593
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:32,600
some equatorial tropical forest.
So to say the running on 

594
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,100
different fuel sources and they 
do genetic Machinery is also 

595
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:38,500
different. 
And yeah, I would suggest that 

596
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:41,100
the keto diet itself is like a 
almost like an epigenetic. 

597
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,700
If you do it like a long-term, 
maybe like four years, wouldn't 

598
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:49,500
be like enough to have like some
real serious epigenetic changes 

599
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:53,200
but maybe like a few tickets 
then you were probably your 

600
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,000
children will also be borrowing 
more key to adapt. 

601
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,400
Its if you were to do it for 
like a long period of time, I 

602
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,900
would, I would imagine. 
Yeah. 

603
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:00,200
Yeah. 
No this this is fascinating 

604
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,500
because like you know, 
epigenetics is I think really 

605
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:05,300
starting to gain in it. 
Start to become more in the 

606
00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:09,000
public eye. 
How, you know what you do can 

607
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,700
legitimately impact your Direct 
Offspring, you know, like that's

608
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:16,700
a interesting phenomenon because
it's not like Evolution, you 

609
00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:18,600
know, it takes hundreds, 
thousands of years, it's like 

610
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,700
pretty much within the span of a
lifetime. 

611
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,300
So, you know, on that this is 
pretty crazy about, you know, 

612
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,200
all that's one of the reasons 
why you would want to pay more 

613
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,300
attention to your biomarkers and
the diet, and exercise and such 

614
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:35,000
because, like, a lot of children
are already already, you know, 

615
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,400
being born with pre-diabetes or 
something, just because their 

616
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,800
parents are eating so many carbs
and sugars, and the That the 

617
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,200
baby food is also like full of 
photos and all other stuff. 

618
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,600
So yeah there is definitely 
something to like you have to 

619
00:32:47,608 --> 00:32:50,000
pay attention to it right now 
because everything you do right 

620
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,000
now is going to have like a 
quantitative effect in the 

621
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,400
future especially our Offspring 
and your jeans. 

622
00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:59,700
Yeah. 
And in situ I mean I'm a very 

623
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:01,800
strongly in the camp of strict 
keto. 

624
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,700
But on that note, I mean maybe 
I'm doing my future kids, a 

625
00:33:04,708 --> 00:33:08,700
disservice by being so strictly 
adapted because they may not be 

626
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:10,700
as metabolic and flexible run 
out the gates. 

627
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:13,400
I mean You know, you never know,
it's kind of like just, you 

628
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,000
know, like self experimentation 
and yeah, like although you may 

629
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,100
be wanting you may be willing to
go on a keto diet for the rest 

630
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:22,200
of Life, your children may not 
be able to so to say or who 

631
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,300
knows like or that the 
environment in the world is 

632
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:27,200
going to change maybe as well. 
So who knows? 

633
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,000
I guess it's a pretty 
interesting topic. 

634
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,200
Yeah, yeah. 
Now it is for sure. 

635
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,900
And I think a lot of people they
don't recognize that that what 

636
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:38,400
they're doing today can have 
such a profound impact on. 

637
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:41,800
I think it was a Anthony J. 
I was talking to Anthony J but 

638
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,400
he's like epigenetics can have 
an impact on, not only you, but 

639
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,800
for Generations past you, so 
like your grandkids kids can be 

640
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,900
impacted by the decisions you're
making today, you know, 

641
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:55,900
compounded over time obviously, 
but that's just a crazy 

642
00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:57,900
phenomenon, like, people need to
stop and think about that. 

643
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:02,000
And, you know, it's our 
responsibility to freaking 

644
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,700
Humanity to do what we know to 
be the best thing for us, you 

645
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:08,500
know, based off the information 
that we have at hand. 

646
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:11,000
So, I mean, to go against that 
and to just be blatantly lie. 

647
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:13,800
Lazy towards, you know, 
self-improvement is just a 

648
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,699
disservice to everybody. 
Yeah. 

649
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:21,400
Like a few months ago I got I 
did like a Q&A on my own podcast

650
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,000
and one of the questions I was 
like do I believe in an 

651
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,699
afterlife? 
And I answered it in a way, 

652
00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:30,400
something along the lines that 
you shouldn't focus on trying to

653
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,600
reduce your own suffering, when 
you're dead. 

654
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,900
So to say, you would want to 
focus on how can I reduce the 

655
00:34:34,900 --> 00:34:37,400
suffering. 
Of those who are left behind me,

656
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,199
especially, they're like my 
children and my family members, 

657
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,100
so yeah. 
The I would have to, I would 

658
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:44,500
have to take care of myself and 
my jeans. 

659
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,800
So I will, so I wouldn't give 
birth to a child who is going to

660
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,199
have like, some for some form of
disease, just because I didn't 

661
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,900
take care of myself. 
So, yeah, you shouldn't focus 

662
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:55,600
on. 
How can I reduce my suffering in

663
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,900
the afterlife? 
You should focus on how can I 

664
00:34:57,908 --> 00:35:01,700
reduce the suffering of those 
who are going to come after me. 

665
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,800
And my offsprings are the same 
my jeans. 

666
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:06,300
I'm really really like them. 
Have never heard it put that 

667
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:10,700
way, but I 100% in green I 
think, you know, like looking at

668
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,900
like Conservation for instance, 
you know like actively taking 

669
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:17,700
measures to make sure that the 
the wildlife habitat. 

670
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:19,600
You know the natural habitat 
with that we have on this planet

671
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,700
now you know stays intact and 
not only you know maintains but 

672
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:27,900
improves and I feel like there's
there's such a mindset around 

673
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:31,500
just get it while you can so to 
speak right now and it's 

674
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:34,600
honestly just disgust me because
so many people just are so 

675
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,700
greedy and selfish in, you know,
benefiting themselves as much as

676
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:41,400
they can while they can in the 
moment and they have Thought 

677
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,900
whatsoever to Generations, you 
know, after them and it's all 

678
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:49,000
responsible like if we're if we 
have the blessing to be put on 

679
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,600
this Earth, like if we, I mean 
the chances of being alive or 

680
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,800
like one gazillion, I don't know
what the statistics are. 

681
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,800
But if you're on this Earth, 
you're listening to this podcast

682
00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:00,200
and you feel like the world owes
you anything, then you're 

683
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,000
screwed up in the head like you 
gotta you gotta do like your 

684
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,200
responsibilities on this planet 
is to leave it better than you 

685
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,200
found it period. 
Yeah this is there is a lot of a

686
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:12,400
lot of entitlement that, okay. 
I deserve to Have a six-pack or 

687
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,800
a dessert to be rich or 
something. 

688
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,600
I deserve to get Social 
validation or such Why why isn't

689
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,200
anyone paying attention to me 
then? 

690
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,100
Yeah. 
It's really something to it's 

691
00:36:23,100 --> 00:36:25,400
like what somewhat immature in 
the sense that you don't 

692
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,000
realize. 
Yeah. 

693
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,800
How fortunate you really are and
like there's so many things to 

694
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,700
be grateful for. 
Yeah, I completely agree with 

695
00:36:30,700 --> 00:36:35,400
him completely agree. 
I wanted to pick your brain on 

696
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:39,600
saunas and I kind of mentioned 
them earlier but I know you've 

697
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,000
you know, experiment with hot 
and cold. 

698
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:43,800
Therapy. 
We talked a little bit about the

699
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,100
red lights on us on our last 
podcast, but I'm on the fence. 

700
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:49,100
A, I'm not on the fence, like 
I'm probably going to pull the 

701
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:52,700
trigger on buying a sauna, but I
don't know what which type of 

702
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:55,800
song, I don't know that because 
I mean not all saunas are 

703
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,200
created equal, kind of, like 
most things in life, so kind of 

704
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,600
dive into that. 
And just let me, let me pick 

705
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,100
your brain and just learn about.
Wow, what I should do going for 

706
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:06,100
with the sauna. 
Well, I think like, the best 

707
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:10,400
sauna is like a regular Finnish 
sauna with like a wooden stove 

708
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,800
and And the rear rocks and and 
so that will be like a really 

709
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,200
you can get the temperature much
higher than in an infrared sauna

710
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,700
and you do like accumulate it's 
like what also like you know, 

711
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:23,700
natural. 
It doesn't have any EMF or 

712
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:25,700
something of that sort of like 
the road. 

713
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:30,100
Probably some ways of even 
building some finish sona's with

714
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:35,400
an electrical fire furnace, that
would, you know, be usable even 

715
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,400
in an apartment. 
So that will be like my go to go

716
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,900
to think that I would For. 
But at the same time, using like

717
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:47,000
a regular infrared, sauna is 
also, okay, as an alternative. 

718
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:51,500
It's not like the best one in my
opinion, but it still works. 

719
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:53,700
And I also have a I have both of
them. 

720
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:57,100
So, on a regular on a daily 
basis, I'm using like, the 

721
00:37:57,100 --> 00:38:00,500
infrared sauna. 
Just just to just do it like, 

722
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:03,900
not been that one time, like 
heating up the regular Sona and,

723
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:06,700
you know, firing building up the
fire and so on. 

724
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:10,400
So the infrared sauna is much 
more convenient and quicker in 

725
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,800
this sense. 
But in general, yeah, if you 

726
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,000
were to take an infrared sauna, 
then you'd also have to get 

727
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,800
something that is like lower in 
EMF, because it's not like worth

728
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,600
it to sit in the infrared. 
Sauna, if you're gonna be 

729
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:28,000
ingredients by these non-native 
me f and, and other wavelengths.

730
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,900
So, yeah, so you have a ton in 
which you're making a fire and 

731
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:34,200
like legit hardcore. 
Old-school, sauna. 

732
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:34,800
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

733
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,700
Like the regular Finnish sauna. 
Yeah. 

734
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:39,600
I have that one. 
And it's the best one. 

735
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:45,600
Just because I Very natural and 
it's also like more I do 

736
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,600
experience that in the regular. 
So now you build more heat that 

737
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,900
the temperature is higher. 
And at the same time, you also 

738
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:54,500
get like the the sweating is 
also easier. 

739
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:57,900
You start to sweat easier and 
you feel somewhat better, huh? 

740
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,000
So, so what about near-infrared 
like I here? 

741
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,300
I see that term used. 
Pretty broadly in like the sauna

742
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,200
World near infrared sauna. 
What does that mean? 

743
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:12,000
Well, it's basically means that 
the wavelength is somewhat 

744
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,700
different and it's going to 
penetrate less of the skin. 

745
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:19,300
I would imagine not sure like 
what's the huge like difference 

746
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:22,600
between them, but because most 
of the, so not actually have 

747
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,900
both both lower wavelengths. 
But yeah, I would imagine that 

748
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:29,000
the near-infrared so nice simply
it doesn't penetrate the skin 

749
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,500
that deeply. 
It's like on the surface level 

750
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:35,600
and probably only stimulates 
stimulates only like the sweat 

751
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,300
glands as well as I, you know, 
the skin and the collagen in 

752
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:43,400
there. 
But the Regular infrared sauna 

753
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:46,600
that will be probably 
penetrating deeper into the like

754
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,700
the deeper tissues of the of the
body and you want it. 

755
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:52,000
So with regard to the 
wavelengths like there's pros 

756
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000
and cons to having that 
wavelength penetration, right? 

757
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,300
Yeah. 
That there's probably some like 

758
00:39:57,300 --> 00:40:02,700
the let's say the therapeutic. 
Most of the research is done on 

759
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,400
on the wavelength between like 
maybe like six hundred and 780 

760
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:13,900
NM somewhere somewhere there. 
So So I'm not sure like if most 

761
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:16,400
of the sonars are somewhere 
between there as well, I would I

762
00:40:16,408 --> 00:40:19,100
would say that most of the 
research is also done in that 

763
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,900
area. 
Can she catch? 

764
00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:26,900
And so if somebody was to you 
know be compelled to go buy or 

765
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:31,400
build a sauna you know, after 
losing to this like I am, what 

766
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,800
would you what would you 
recommend? 

767
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,500
Because their particular brand 
or like like what what what do I

768
00:40:36,508 --> 00:40:40,300
need to do? 
I've heard well, I haven't like 

769
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,600
try. 
It's all of the brands in North 

770
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,500
America and I'm not sure like 
which ones are the best ones. 

771
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:52,000
But yeah you probably look for 
something that has like a lowest

772
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,500
EMF as possible and also like 
that on their website that they 

773
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:00,900
that they do like have some 
specific research done on their 

774
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,200
on their particular brand. 
That will be like a good good 

775
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,300
sign to look for from a sauna 
and any can you describe the the

776
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:09,500
EMF little bit more? 
Like what is that? 

777
00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:12,500
Exactly. 
Well, EMF is like 

778
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,900
electromagnetic frequencies and 
it's simply going to disrupt 

779
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:20,500
some of your own bodies, 
electromagnetic field in a way 

780
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:24,400
and like, I haven't researched 
it that deeply. 

781
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,600
But I've heard, you know, that 
it's real Arrow connected to 

782
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,400
some lower testosterone and 
sleep problems and and so on. 

783
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,000
So you get like the EMF all 
around you on a daily basis, 

784
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,100
like from the Wi-Fi router from 
the cell phone towers, and On 

785
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:44,500
cell phone and so on. 
So you probably don't want to 

786
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:48,600
you know be exposed to that much
EMF all the time and you don't 

787
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,100
you want to limit it to a 
certain point catch and it's 

788
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:54,100
coming from the bulbs in the sun
has specifically. 

789
00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:56,000
Yeah. 
And infrared sauna. 

790
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,800
Yeah but yeah if you have if you
have like some. 

791
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,600
So now that is low EMF then 
that's not going to be like a 

792
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:03,700
huge issue. 
I would imagine gotcha. 

793
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,000
Gotcha. 
What about the sauna use paired 

794
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,500
with like cold therapy? 
Know because I've You know, I 

795
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:13,600
think the interesting man, I've 
done research in some people 

796
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,800
like, you know, you're getting 
like 99% the benefits from the, 

797
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,200
you know, hot therapy alone with
the saunas and they kind of 

798
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,200
negates the night. 
The cold plunge is a nice pass 

799
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,200
and whatnot, but where do you 
stand on that whole topic? 

800
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:31,600
I actually think that, you know,
using both of them, the hot and 

801
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,400
cold will get you more of the 
benefits because you're at the 

802
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,500
same. 
Well, I like the benefits of 

803
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:40,800
the, of the Hut of the heat are 
that. 

804
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,700
Gonna raise growth hormone and 
promote recovery and reduce 

805
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:49,000
inflammation, as well as 
stimulate the lymphatic system, 

806
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,000
you know, flush out some of the 
toxins and so on while 

807
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,000
simultaneously, it's also like 
feels like a cardio workout to a

808
00:42:55,008 --> 00:42:57,300
certain extent to its can 
increase your heart rate and 

809
00:42:57,300 --> 00:43:01,200
promote blood flow. 
So when you do get to the cold, 

810
00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:04,800
the cold is also reducing 
inflammation and activates Brown

811
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,400
fat and and, and such. 
So if you combine them together,

812
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,800
then you're kind of 
simultaneously. 

813
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,800
Training your nervous system as 
well to jump back and forth 

814
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,200
between like the person pathetic
state and sympathetic State and 

815
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:24,600
you kind of get a like a field, 
much more effective and I would 

816
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,900
say that yet there has been like
a lot of studies done or 

817
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:30,100
research done. 
Let's look specifically at 

818
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:33,000
what's the benefits of doing 
them both together but you do 

819
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,300
get like an emphasized lymphatic
drainage especially like an 

820
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:41,900
increased blood flow as well. 
So I would say that It's it's 

821
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,600
somewhat like a better better to
do them together. 

822
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:48,600
So with with you, you know, 
knowing this as you do and then 

823
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,200
kind of doing all the stuff 
experimentation that you have, 

824
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:55,500
how do you structure your day as
it relates to, you know, meal 

825
00:43:55,500 --> 00:44:00,400
timing hot and cold therapy as 
it looks to training like when 

826
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,100
you're going to the course of a 
day, like when do you, when do 

827
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:06,800
you eat, you know, based off 
training schedule, just kind of 

828
00:44:06,808 --> 00:44:11,100
walk me through that. 
Well, I myself practice It's 

829
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:13,900
definitely daily timers because 
eating and iterative testing. 

830
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,300
So usually on a regular basis on
like, maintenance mode. 

831
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:22,700
So eating only once a day and 
consuming more food within maybe

832
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,600
two to three hours, something 
along the lines of that, it's 

833
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,800
not like a one meal, but it 
seems like a like a like a 

834
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:32,200
expanded me or over the course 
of several hours. 

835
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:36,800
And during the daytime, I'm 
simply a drinking only water, 

836
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:40,800
some black coffee and some teas.
Something that too. 

837
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,500
Keep myself going as well as a 
promote, some of the benefits of

838
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:47,900
the fast like increased fat 
mobilization and some autophagy 

839
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:51,700
as well. 
So usually my up my workouts is 

840
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:56,700
also around the afternoon. 
We're usually working out in a 

841
00:44:56,700 --> 00:44:59,700
fasted state, but on some Cajun 
on some occasions. 

842
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:04,100
I also made take like some 
protein powder, just during the 

843
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:08,400
workout to get some protein in 
my system and to have like an 

844
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,600
additional anti catabolic 
effects during The workout. 

845
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,300
But on, if I'm not working out 
then I'm usually eating only 

846
00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:19,100
once a day and no additional 
supplements or anything like 

847
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,400
that. 
During the day and my meals are 

848
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,800
primarily. 
They are still like locard keto 

849
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:29,000
and still higher in protein. 
So to say that, I still want to 

850
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,800
get adequate amounts of protein 
to to counterbalance the fasting

851
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,200
side of the day to not go like 
into the catabolic mode. 

852
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,200
So does it. 
Because if you start to restrict

853
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,300
your protein, on top of Ink and 
on top of training as well. 

854
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:47,200
Then you probably won't get like
the optimal results in terms of 

855
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,900
muscle maintenance and the 
muscle growth even. 

856
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:54,900
So yeah, I tend to eat primarily
like a lot of eggs which are 

857
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:57,300
good for triggering, mtor, and 
triggering muscle protein 

858
00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:59,800
synthesis because of they have a
lot of leucine. 

859
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,900
And next to the eggs are still 
have like some meat and I still 

860
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:06,300
eat like vegetables and 
fermented foods like sauerkraut 

861
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,300
and so on. 
So that's like a good standard 

862
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,600
kind of Dinner that I have 
likes. 

863
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,100
Take some eggs and some 
vegetables with you having such 

864
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:18,200
an extended fasting period, do 
you think it would be 

865
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,400
advantageous to have like any 
like amino acids like leucine? 

866
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:25,400
Like even when you're training 
rather than having the protein 

867
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,700
panel, it just having like a 
branch chain amino supplement, 

868
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:30,900
you think that would be enough 
to negate any - catabolic 

869
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:33,200
effects? 
I would think that the regular 

870
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,000
protein powder would be better 
because you get, you still get 

871
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,200
like the amino acids from the 
protein powder but you still but

872
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,800
you also get like Building 
blocks the a protein, actual 

873
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,000
itself. 
So that we'll be better, just 

874
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,800
taking the branch chain amino 
acids. 

875
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,400
Although they may provide some 
pcas and semantically break fix 

876
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,000
they say they won't be able to, 
you know, you may like 

877
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,700
accidentally shift yourself from
like into a fit State and just 

878
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:02,100
because you're taking all the 
BCAAs without the protein, then 

879
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:05,200
you may like go into catabolic 
mode just because of that. 

880
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,800
Whereas, if you take like the 
regular protein, then you get 

881
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:11,400
both the BCAAs as well as the 
actual building blocks of 

882
00:47:11,408 --> 00:47:13,400
proteins. 
So you are not going to 

883
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,000
sacrifice any additional muscle 
loss, just because of that. 

884
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,200
What, what kind of protein is 
like a legit? 

885
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,200
The Whey Isolate or something? 
No, I don't really like, like 

886
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,300
the generic protein powders 
because like they have, you 

887
00:47:24,308 --> 00:47:27,400
know, these other filler agents 
and also like the artificial 

888
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,400
sweeteners, especially things 
like, sucralose or Asperger's, 

889
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:37,400
or the, or something like that. 
So I use a like a, like a 

890
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:40,200
regular protein powder, without 
any sweeteners. 

891
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,100
That has like other adaptogenic 
herbs and spices like Maca and 

892
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:47,900
cacao. 
And so on, it's like a natural 

893
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,200
protein powder without without 
this regions. 

894
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,500
And what do you get that? 
It's a brand from the UK. 

895
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:57,000
It's called the Primal Alchemy 
and they have like a really, 

896
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,300
really, really awesome. 
Like a super food, protein 

897
00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:03,900
powder, like then some cacao 
makka pakka, Ginger. 

898
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,400
And other other cool stuff when 
we talked I guess, has in mind, 

899
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,300
I don't know, probably a year 
year and a half since you were 

900
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:14,400
on the podcast last Have you 
noticed the ketogenic diet kind 

901
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,100
of gaining in popularity over 
there? 

902
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:17,900
Where you're at, or no? 
Hmm, yeah. 

903
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:21,400
Well, there is been like, some 
increase in the popularity of 

904
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,300
Quito and fasting and Angelic 
General by a king as well. 

905
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:26,800
Part of it. 
Have may have to do with like 

906
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,200
the, we organized. 
Also the biohackers summit a 

907
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,800
conference in my home, or home 
City talent, and there was like 

908
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,800
plenty of people there and I 
think that helped with the 

909
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,800
popularity. 
But yeah, I think simply Quito 

910
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,400
is becoming so popular across 
the entire So most countries 

911
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,400
still like some people who are 
interested in improving their 

912
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:46,800
health and optimizing their 
nutrition. 

913
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,400
Then they are have heard at 
least I've heard about it and 

914
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,200
they may be like have like a 
basic understanding of what it's

915
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,000
about. 
Yeah that's very common school 

916
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,300
to see it spreading you know 
beyond just the states here 

917
00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:00,300
where I'm at but just you know 
globally. 

918
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,800
Talk about your book man. 
I want to give you some time at 

919
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,600
flesh that at me and I saw the 
book is no joke. 

920
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,500
It's a pretty pretty detailed 
for sure. 

921
00:49:09,500 --> 00:49:12,200
So, can I give it the audience? 
Listeners some insight into 

922
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:14,900
where the motivation to write 
that came from and what all it 

923
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:18,300
entails. 
Yeah, so my new book is called 

924
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:23,600
metabolic at apogee and it is it
talks about a lot of the ways 

925
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,400
that we talked about in this 
podcast already or how do we 

926
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,600
optimize both fasting and 
resistance training for 

927
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:36,000
longevity and performance. 
So the goal is to still be able 

928
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,700
to you know build muscle and 
promote your longevity in so 

929
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:43,600
doing and Once the what and not 
suffering from some of the 

930
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,600
negative side effects of, you 
know, overly stimulated games or

931
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,200
all the time, and not suffering 
from the side effects of doing 

932
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,200
fasting, and still kind of 
Bridging the Gap between both 

933
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,700
ends of the spectrum and, you 
know, getting getting the best 

934
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:58,700
of both girls, whether that be 
for muscle maintenance and 

935
00:49:58,700 --> 00:50:02,700
muscle growth or just general 
well-being, and health catchy 

936
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:05,000
catchy. 
And what made you? 

937
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:08,100
I mean, you've written books in 
the, in the past prior. 

938
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:12,000
But what can a What motivated 
you to hinge off on, right? 

939
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,600
This one was like, can he just 
knew compelling researcher? 

940
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,900
Just simply you. 
No longer you've gone doing 

941
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:17,800
this. 
The more you've learned. 

942
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,600
You just want to put that 
information out there as well. 

943
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,800
I think like one of the biggest 
reasons I wrote it is to. 

944
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,600
Yeah, I refute some of the 
misconceptions in the, like, a 

945
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,700
low-carb Community, about 
protein and mtor, and fasting, 

946
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:34,400
and so on. 
So, to Simply to show or to talk

947
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,800
about the science of the, how to
actually how it is possible to 

948
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,200
do it in. 
Optimal way. 

949
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:43,900
And yeah, it's simply like 
teaching the context of the 

950
00:50:43,900 --> 00:50:47,500
situation as well, because 
everything that we talked about 

951
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:50,900
today, they're all very context 
dependent and the required to 

952
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:53,400
actually know like, what's the 
particular situation of the 

953
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,300
individual and what are their 
goals and what are their 

954
00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:58,600
metabolic conditions? 
And so on for the book. 

955
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,400
So the book itself not only 
teaches you like what would be 

956
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,200
like the optimal way of doing 
it. 

957
00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:09,000
But also teaches you the context
sides of how can I apply this? 

958
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,000
Same principle? 
Two bowls into whatever kind of 

959
00:51:11,008 --> 00:51:14,200
situation I may come across and 
how do I actually, you know, 

960
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,500
understand how the metabolism 
works and how can I use those 

961
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:19,400
things? 
Same principles in these 

962
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,600
different situations? 
Yeah, I've gotta tip my hat to 

963
00:51:21,607 --> 00:51:23,800
you on that one manage. 
There's so much controversy 

964
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,500
within like the low-carb space 
right now and a lot of it is 

965
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:29,600
simply due to people lacking the
context. 

966
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:33,100
So the cool thing about you like
the reason I love talking to you

967
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:37,000
is just because you're smart 
enough and open-minded nothing 

968
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,800
reasonable enough to understand 
that. 

969
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,900
Are often is the shading gray 
and everything's not black 

970
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:42,800
white. 
You have to look at it, you 

971
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,900
know, full circle. 
So, you know, congrats to you 

972
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:48,900
for having the foresight to 
write about and hopefully open 

973
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:51,800
other people's as well because 
it's just kind of pathetic to 

974
00:51:51,808 --> 00:51:56,100
see people get. 
So just frustrated and immature 

975
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:59,000
about things that they don't 
even totally grasp, you know, 

976
00:51:59,000 --> 00:51:59,700
right? 
Yeah. 

977
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:05,100
It's like the context is where 
all the magic lies about people 

978
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:07,500
simply don't want to learn about
the context and they seem to 

979
00:52:07,508 --> 00:52:10,200
want to get like these answers 
and It goes back to like the 

980
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,200
immediate gratification of here.
What what, what works for me 

981
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,600
right now and they don't really 
know that it's very context. 

982
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,200
Dependent as very complex, human
body is, like one of the most 

983
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,600
complex things in the universe. 
So it's like it. 

984
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,400
Union shouldn't expect to get an
easy answer in in writing the 

985
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,000
book and all the research that 
you did to, you know, write it. 

986
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,900
What was something that 
surprised you? 

987
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:35,100
What did you learn? 
That you weren't expecting, mmm.

988
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:39,200
Maybe like things that I still 
was, you know, I'm amazed about 

989
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:43,100
Towards like the controversy 
about saturated fats, as well as

990
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:47,400
like meat and such and that 
they're all the cause of all of 

991
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,000
the diseases in the modern 
world. 

992
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,600
Whereas in reality when you 
actually go into the science and

993
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,900
look at the research, then you 
see that okay is not the actual 

994
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:56,900
case. 
And most of it has to do with 

995
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,200
misinterpreting the the science.
And even on a mechanistic level 

996
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,200
cholesterol as well as I meet 
their, they don't like have like

997
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,800
a negative effects on the body. 
In a, like a healthy contact 

998
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,400
Jose. 
In a proper context and in the 

999
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,200
context where it's not combined 
with, you know, the all the 

1000
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,400
other processed foods of the 
western western diet. 

1001
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,400
Yeah. 
That's, that's a very good 

1002
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,900
point. 
Mean, like I look at, you know, 

1003
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:26,100
a lot of the information is put 
out there today and it's totally

1004
00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:28,300
in the face of in that. 
That's much research. 

1005
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:30,200
But just the wisdom that people 
are putting out there. 

1006
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,400
The government's putting out 
there today is just so counter 

1007
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,800
to what all the research is 
showing and, you know, any 

1008
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,400
five-minute Google search could 
pull up, Actual science that 

1009
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,700
dispels all these myths, but it 
just really illustrates how 

1010
00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:47,800
slow-moving this dietary 
nutritional ship is because it's

1011
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,300
like such a behemoth of, you 
know, information and it's hard 

1012
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:56,100
to turn, you know, overnight. 
And it's unfortunate because so 

1013
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:58,600
many people are just going to be
late to the party and not being 

1014
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,900
taken advantage of the the true 
and accurate information, until 

1015
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:07,200
you know, many years after it's 
come out, but I think, I think, 

1016
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,200
you know, people like you write 
in the books that you are. 

1017
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,300
Podcast, all that stuff is 
pretty much doing everything. 

1018
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:15,600
We can to educate people on 
where to start, looking for 

1019
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,400
accurate information. 
Yeah, we did is true. 

1020
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,100
Like a lot of different spices 
as well as different 

1021
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,500
conflicting. 
Conflicting interests, those. 

1022
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:27,000
All of those things and shape 
the public opinion, or the pop 

1023
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,900
of the dietary, guidelines of 
every country. 

1024
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,900
Yes, for sure. 
One more question for you. 

1025
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:36,300
Same, what, what do you what are
you doing now? 

1026
00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:37,800
What are you experiment on right
now? 

1027
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,800
That is As get your excitement 
like, is there anything specific

1028
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,100
that you're trying to you know, 
figure out and find the answer 

1029
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:48,700
to you know with yourself for 
keto or whatever? 

1030
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:50,900
They what, what are you what are
you diving into right now? 

1031
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:56,100
Well, I think at the moment I've
been doing a lot of different 

1032
00:54:56,700 --> 00:55:00,400
kind of workouts. 
Like every day almost doing full

1033
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,900
body workouts every day to 
assert in some shape or form, 

1034
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:05,500
but not like overstimulating, my
nervous system. 

1035
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,000
So this kind of like 
incorporating more Frequency 

1036
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:16,400
into my workout week, but still 
looking at. 

1037
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:17,800
Okay. 
How can I use these different 

1038
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,000
ways of progressing in strength 
and muscle growth? 

1039
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:25,800
So yeah, usually that's my at 
the moment like the my workout 

1040
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,100
Focus for at the moment, doing 
full body workouts, with my own 

1041
00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:34,100
body for like calisthenics type 
workouts every day and seeing 

1042
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:36,600
how I respond, what have you 
what have you learned so far 

1043
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:41,000
with the increased frequency? 
Its it Feels, you know really 

1044
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,400
effective in a sense that you 
have like a elevated. 

1045
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:49,400
The elevated protein synthesis 
signal is cannot remain elevated

1046
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,000
for longer and you kind of tend 
to recover faster from the 

1047
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,300
workouts as well just because 
you do it. 

1048
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:57,400
So frequently. 
The only caveat is that you 

1049
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,600
don't necessarily want to, you 
know, hit failure. 

1050
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,300
And you don't want to overdo it 
because it's gonna simply 

1051
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:07,200
jeopardize recovery. 
But in general, I feel like it's

1052
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,800
been, it's been pretty good so 
far. 

1053
00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:14,200
The the aspect of getting 
stronger is definitely faster. 

1054
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,200
In terms of that you you 
practice the movements for 

1055
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:22,000
frequently and you kind of 
attack you, you send the signal 

1056
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,200
to your nervous system to adapt 
more frequent as well. 

1057
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,400
So you just have to make sure 
that you don't overdo it. 

1058
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,400
Is it hard to pull back on the 
reins and not go to failure. 

1059
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,200
If you're wanting to push 
yourself, I do like hit maybe, 

1060
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,400
you know 90% of my failure every
once in a while. 

1061
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,100
But usually I don't like Like 
make it mandatory thing. 

1062
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:43,000
So to say that I'm not going to 
be okay. 

1063
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,100
This is my only workout for the 
week so I have to really crush 

1064
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:47,400
it. 
So that's that's like that not 

1065
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,700
the mindset because I know that,
okay, I'm going to still have 

1066
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:53,500
some time to do it again the 
next day or the following day. 

1067
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,500
Yeah, that's a good point. 
I mean, kind of experiment with 

1068
00:56:56,500 --> 00:57:01,000
my training as well and it's 
it's interesting because the 

1069
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,700
body responds to you know all 
these different stimulus you 

1070
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:07,300
subjected to in some very 
different ways. 

1071
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,300
And I've always And I gravitated
towards like the traditional, 

1072
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,200
you know, bro, split so to speak
with your, you have one specific

1073
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,500
muscle group that you're 
training that day, typically 

1074
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:19,700
only train that one body part 
once a week. 

1075
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,100
And then in that one session, 
you just, you know, hit it hard 

1076
00:57:23,100 --> 00:57:24,800
for two and a half hours 
sometimes. 

1077
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,900
And you just like go to absolute
value on everything, you know, 

1078
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:32,100
just go to the extreme and then 
you don't do that again until 

1079
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,800
the next week. 
Now, I've been kind of changing 

1080
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,400
it up sometime, I'm having a 
more like a higher frequency 

1081
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,100
style train, not a We day like 
you, but like, I'll train the 

1082
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:44,800
same muscle directly at least 
twice a week and then 

1083
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:49,400
indirectly, you know, three or 
four times a week, but in doing 

1084
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,600
that, it's like, you know, 
you're you're chipping away at 

1085
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,000
it bit by bit and just makes the
whole thing more sustainable. 

1086
00:57:55,300 --> 00:58:00,000
So, like from a psychological 
perspective it's it's you know 

1087
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,400
the final outcome, the in 
outcome, I think will be better 

1088
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,700
because of this plus I'm at less
risk for injury which is also a 

1089
00:58:06,707 --> 00:58:08,200
huge win. 
Yeah yeah. 

1090
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:13,400
It's like I myself don't like 
don't make it like that, I do or

1091
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,900
die thing in the sense that if I
do feel that, okay, I'm a bit 

1092
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:20,000
sore today, then I won't be 
having like a heavy workout but 

1093
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,500
I still like maybe move myself 
around a little bit and you just

1094
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:24,900
out of this. 
I'm gonna keep having all these 

1095
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:27,100
questions. 
I keep bringing up, but do you 

1096
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:30,200
do you have like an ordering or 
do you track your HRV at all and

1097
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,100
you base any of your training 
off of that? 

1098
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:36,800
Yeah, I do have the wiring and 
and I do pay some attention to 

1099
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,100
the HRV and heart rate heart 
rate. 

1100
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,100
But yeah, it's a good indicator 
of actually in, you know, 

1101
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:45,500
looking at something. 
What kind of a state, your 

1102
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:48,000
nervous system is in. 
But in most cases, you can also 

1103
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,100
feel a little bit like, okay, 
I'm actually feeling sore or I'm

1104
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:54,300
feeling like I have some sort of
a code or something. 

1105
00:58:54,500 --> 00:58:57,500
So, in that case, I'm not going 
to be, you know, ignoring the 

1106
00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:59,300
data. 
And I'm not gonna ignore my 

1107
00:58:59,900 --> 00:59:02,100
intuition either. 
So, yeah. 

1108
00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:05,500
But in most cases is the 
deviations between, like heart 

1109
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:08,200
rate, variability and such, they
do fluctuate a little bit. 

1110
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,700
So, I met Pete, it pay attention
to it a little bit, but most the

1111
00:59:12,700 --> 00:59:16,100
first kind of focus would be 
still on like how you actually 

1112
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:18,700
feel in my body and heart of my 
muscles feel. 

1113
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,000
Yeah. 
Totally agreement has been 

1114
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,500
several times where like I'll 
look at my or ring that it'll 

1115
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:28,200
say that I should take a rest 
day but then I just get mad that

1116
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,100
it tells me take a rest day. 
So I'll go work out and I'll 

1117
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:32,000
have like a better workout than 
had. 

1118
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,800
I taken a rest day or had been 
had I you know, seen a good 

1119
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,100
reading which maybe not a good 
thing maybe you know. 

1120
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,400
That compound that over time is 
going to lead to injury, but 

1121
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:46,300
some people get too tied into 
what some outside factors, 

1122
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:48,900
telling them, as opposed to what
they're actually feeling being 

1123
00:59:48,900 --> 00:59:52,500
in tune with your body. 
And recognizing that is is I 

1124
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:55,600
think a Paramount importance 
than any any wearable, any 

1125
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,700
technology in the additive is 
just simply supplemental to what

1126
00:59:59,700 --> 01:00:02,600
you should be doing inherently, 
you know, instinctively anyways.

1127
01:00:02,700 --> 01:00:04,800
Yeah. 
So true people are distant from 

1128
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,900
their nature, but at the same 
time that technology itself can 

1129
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:12,800
Bridge the gap and get you back 
closer to your nature and by if 

1130
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,900
you use it the right way and you
don't become like controlled by 

1131
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:17,600
it. 
Very good point, or shoot me an 

1132
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,200
accident, talk to you all day, 
but I want to be respectful of 

1133
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,900
your time. 
Where can people go to find out 

1134
01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:25,700
more about you and get the book?
Yeah, well on all the social 

1135
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:30,100
media platforms, I'm seem Lund. 
And the book is metabolic 

1136
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:33,800
autophagy on Amazon, so it's 
also written by simulant. 

1137
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,200
Awesome. 
Awesome awesome. 

1138
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,200
Again, man, always a pleasure. 
Definitely keep in touch. 

1139
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,100
I'm always curious. 
Curious to hear what you're 

1140
01:00:40,107 --> 01:00:42,000
working on and what you're 
discovering. 

1141
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,800
So let me know everything that I
could do and definitely keep in 

1142
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,100
touch man because I'm like, I 
said, I always and Keen to know 

1143
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:49,500
what you've discovered, you 
know, it's in touch, take a bun.