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Well, hello ladies and gents 
Robert Sikes keto Savage.com. 

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And today I've got special guest
dr. 

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Dan Gubler on the line, he is a 
Master with all things, plants, 

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plant, compounds, and all that 
they do. 

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All they're capable of, I 
learned a ton not gonna lie you,

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I was a little bit all over the 
place on this this podcast 

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episode. 
I didn't start off being a great

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host because I didn't, I haven't
talked to somebody about plants 

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in a long time. 
Most of my guests are talking 

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about animals and fats and 
proteins, not a whole lot of 

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plant discussion so I didn't 
have Have I had a little 

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trouble, keeping the 
conversation going smoothly, but

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I got warmed up and it was good,
that it definitely flowed much 

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more smoothly the latter half 
the conversation. 

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But nonetheless, I learned a ton
about plants we drove into a 

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polyphenols talked about 
antioxidants. 

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We talked about phytoestrogens, 
we talked about xenoestrogens, 

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we talked about some of the 
anti-inflammatory. 

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Effects of plants, we talked 
about some of the inflammatory 

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effects of pant plants. 
We also do of into the CBD THC 

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I'm going on. 
That is sweeping the country. 

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We talked about mushrooms and 
all the benefits that mushrooms 

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can bring to the table, I 
learned a lot. 

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I thoroughly enjoyed the 
conversation. 

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It was honestly kind of nice to 
bring somebody from a green side

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of the spectrum to the table as 
opposed to always just talking 

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about animal-based. 
Because I don't know if you 

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case, you hadn't noticed with my
podcast, I like to bring on all 

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kinds of guests of differing and
agreeing opinions that we can 

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keep things on The Cutting Edge 
and not get dogmatic in our 

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beliefs. 
Or just think that there is only

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one, Way. 
So it was a pleasure for me to 

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bring dr. 
Dan, Gubler on who is not in the

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keto carnivore space, but more 
so on the complete opposite, in 

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the Spectrum, in the Plant World
and just pick his brain on some 

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things. 
So, like I said, I thoroughly 

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enjoyed the conversation. 
I have no doubt that you will as

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well. 
So that for their do is sit 

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back, relax. 
Enjoy the podcast with dr. 

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Dan Gubler 
Dr. Dan Gubler. 

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How are you, sir? 
I'm wonderful. 

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You, my friend. 
I'm doing wonderful as well, 

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man. 
I'm excited to get you on the 

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show here because you're going 
to talk a lot about plant 

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compounds and it's interesting 
the space that I'm in. 

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You've gots one side of the 
spectrum. 

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It's like if they've sworn off 
plants in their totality and 

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you've got the other side that 
does all kinds of green 

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microgreens supplementation's 
and All kinds of plants. 

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So I'd love to dive into what 
you think about, you know, 

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plants and different compounds 
and how they react within the 

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body. 
But I'd love to kind of get some

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more insight as to what got you 
into the health and nutrition 

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space first to begin with. 
Yeah, so I've always loved 

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nature. 
I love to hike, I love to bike. 

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I grew up in Utah, in the 
Mountain West, and I just love 

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looking at plants exploring, 
studying them. 

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My grandpa was a biochemist, so 
he studied plants and I grew up 

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running around. 
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And I remember learning from 
some people being up in the 

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mountains about how you could 
take this plant and Bruce, you 

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know, brew a tea and take this 
plant and make a rope out of it 

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and those sorts of things. 
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interested in plants at a very 
early age, very cool, very cool 

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plants. 
Like I've always liked trees, my

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dad's a scientist and he had 
several colleagues that were you

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know, botanist so we'd go out 
and we do like these nature 

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walks they point out various you
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and Hours. 
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not poisonous. 
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super, super fascinating. 
Yeah, it's really amazing there.

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Six hundred thousand species of 
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And you know, you think we know 
everything but less than 5% of 

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these plants have been really 
studied for their, their health 

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benefit compound. 
So it's not just the plants, how

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beautiful they are one thing 
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me is the amazing compounds that
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When I started, studying 
chemistry coupled with my nature

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Expeditions. 
I found that There was really 

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interesting compounds in plants 
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And so as I travel around the 
world studying with talking with

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traditional medicine healers, 
it's just really fascinating. 

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How Mother Nature has embedded 
small molecules that can really 

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improve health dramatically. 
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using plant compounds for 
medicinal properties, for four 

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generations and generations. 
One of my favorite books is I 

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forget the author but it's 
called Tales of a shamans 

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Apprentice, It's All About the 
rain forest in the middle. 

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A properties in some of those 
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So yeah man, I think it's super 
interesting stuff. 

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I want to roll up our sleeves 
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where to start. 
So, one of the things that I 

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study is the signaling 
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So the body you have millions of
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the plant in the body and a lot 
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from plants are antioxidants and
while that's the case, plant 

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compounds have many other 
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One of the most interesting is 
cell signaling Okay. 

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So so the way it works is 
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receptors and a molecule will 
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and then it starts a Cascade 
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It's called a signal 
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This signal is sent from the 
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Cascade reaction to the nucleus 
where we have genes that turn on

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the transcript. 
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It's transcribed RNA translated 
to proteins and proteins are 

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enzymes, that catalyze and 
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It Go on in the body and so 
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with these signaling Cascades. 
Got you got you and this this is

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coming mostly from an ingestion 
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Or how is this? 
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that triggers this Cascade? 
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So when we take in plants and 
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foods contain small molecules 
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it's these bioactive compounds 
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these signaling mechanisms. 
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they start this signaling 
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Now what percentage of these 
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negative? 
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in the carnivore Community for 
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anti-nutrients in plants and how
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mean plants don't want to get 
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So having kind of a built-in 
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sway animals. 
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to be irritation and you're 
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and kind of how humans are 
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the extent to which that is true
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differ from one plant species to
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species out there that probably 
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Yes. 
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You know, we always talk about 
how great plants are and a lot 

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of people in the really, you 
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However, you want to say that, 
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Plants are amazing. 
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You know, my micrograms of 
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will kill you real fast. 
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obviously are plants that we 
don't want to eat plants contain

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tannins. 
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are some plants that contain 
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there, so bitter that you stop 
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mechanism in the body so you 
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it could kill you. 
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plants that you don't want to 
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But for the most part Mother 
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that we have eaten for thousands
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of years, our body has become in
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can take in these plants and the
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like a general rule of thumb? 
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I mean, when people are just 
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what's a good? 
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needing something to eat, is it 
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common ground? 
That's plants. 

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That would normally be fine to 
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Share. 
Versus those that are not. 

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It really depends. 
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general rules when you're 
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but that depends if you're in 
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can be different. 
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you have a guidebook of the 
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would highly discourage eating 
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I mean, obviously if you're out 
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then, Great rule of thumb though
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But some plans when you when you
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extremely bitter, that your 
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more bitter, it is the potential
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So that's that's a general rule.
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any of that without having some 
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disposal. 
Can you kind of flesh out the 

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the concept of the tannins that 
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And what's that doing internally
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effect on us as we consume it? 
Yeah, so tannins are found in 

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plants like coffee and tea and 
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There are different classes of 
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are indigestible. 
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body can't digest them very 
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And so they cause a lot of 
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and eaten in high amounts, it 
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digest, the digest digestive 
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So, That's really one of the big
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It's the tannin level. 
That's that's really detrimental

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to the body. 
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high in oxalic acids? 
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form crystals in the bloodstream
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oxalates can help conform kidney
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things. 
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well, and they're found in, you 
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stocks those sorts of plants. 
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usually those plans if you boil 
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dissolve. 
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oxalates. 
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Not a good idea. 
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people have heard about the 
dangers Associated oxlips and 

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basically cut their spinach 
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I've always kind of gone more 
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significant less oxygen turnip 
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That's right. 
Awesome, awesome. 

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What about some of these 
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For instance, a lot of lot of 
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antioxidants and get a Halo so 
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But that doesn't necessarily 
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A net positive effect, because 
there's a lot of foods that are 

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high in antioxidants, but they 
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in anti-nutrients. 
They make kind of have a 

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negative effect overall. 
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Antioxidants, most commonly, 
people think of polyphenols 

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like, blueberry, strawberry, 
kiwi. 

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Those sorts of things and 
polyphenols antioxidants are 

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great. 
They do actually help to 

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regulate the signaling 
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turn on gene, expression. 
Genes are the chemical switches 

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that catalyze all the reactions 
in the Body so that yeah they're

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really great they're the 
medicinal compound of plants but

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you can have plants that have 
high amounts of antioxidants 

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polyphenols but they're devoid 
of macronutrients fat protein 

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carbs and so it's a mixed bag 
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Can't you just got you are there
any foods plant foods that you 

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like like greater known like 
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that you just absolutely stay 
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Things like watermelon, 
watermelon really doesn't and 

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cantaloupes most melons. 
They don't really have a lot of 

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benefit. 
They have some polyphenols but 

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you know as you guess it's 
mostly water and it doesn't 

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really have a great benefit 
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A lot of fruits, you know, mango
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A lot of these they taste great,
they're good but when it comes 

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all things, obviously, when you 
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that are vital for health. 
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signaling concept that we talked
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signaling Pathways, there's the 
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compounds from plants that can 
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some plants. 
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a indirect signaling from these 
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regulation of that plant 
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Going through the dietary means 
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meat itself. 
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it doesn't really seem that 
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studying meat and and different 
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There's been some adaptation 
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But but it's really interesting,
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implant compounds for a long 
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other side, when you look at the
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these compounds and obviously on
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nothing else. 
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what is the most optimal way so 
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I mean, me, personally, I do not
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I'll have some like we will grow
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near as much plant materials. 
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adaptation the body is all about
homeostasis and it takes the The

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cards, the hand, it's dealt, and
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things out and so macronutrient 
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So we, so we were talking about 
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really critical component of 
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We know about micronutrients and
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obviously, both plant-based and 
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It's all about the, my, the 
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macros. 
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things are going in that. 
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people We are getting is a lot 
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phyto. 
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when you look at the Hard 
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So, like you said a salad once 
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to help to kind of keep 
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of these genes that that are 
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compounds. 
So, are there any specific? 

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I'm kind of Playing devil's 
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Yeah, just for, that's great. 
We got a lot of listeners that 

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are like super Devout 
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won't eat any plans. 
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So like there specific things 
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out on that. 
They would not any way, shape, 

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or form be able to get through 
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Yeah, so playing this line out, 
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The plant science what we known 
in the what we know in the 

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literature is that there are 
certain compounds in plants that

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help to regulate inflammation 
inflammation is we all know is 

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root cause of all diseases. 
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and the body really wants to 
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of external and, and extrinsic 
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body needs resolve inflammation.
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Berberian, like, by: like 
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the literature to resolve 
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at compounds from from an Cause 
when you look at meat and other 

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Dairy based products you have 
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which are anti-inflammatory but 
it when you look at the 

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literature plants contain a lot 
more anti-inflammatory compounds

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than animal products do. 
Yeah, the I don't like the one 

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of the main inflammatory 
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I feel has been, you know, 
obsessive sugar consumption. 

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Oh yeah. 
Processed carbohydrates, a lot 

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of heavily processed vegetable 
oils. 

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anti-inflammatory. 
So by removing that inflammation

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first place, I feel like the 
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foods. 
Coming in, can To be mitigated 

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are not necessary so to speak. 
But I do agree that if someone 

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is, you know, suffering from a 
lot of information, the first 

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place, they're looking for 
things to add that kind of 

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offset that there may be some 
benefit there for sure. 

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Yeah, no you're absolutely 
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Sugar consumption is really the 
key. 

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It is the key driver for 
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everything else. 
I'm preaching to the choir here 

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with you and your listeners but 
is crazy. 

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How fat was vilified in the 80s 
and 90s where everything was? 

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Is low-fat this or that and 
obesity levels went up even more

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because of the increased sugar 
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So absolutely sugar levels when 
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sugar out of your diet, 
everything gets better. 

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And I guess the question here 
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of the diet with with and go to 
a totally animal-based diet, 

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where inflammation levels are 
now going to be quite low, do 

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you still need that little dose 
of anti-inflammatory? 

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You laters from plants or not. 
And I don't know, there hasn't 

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been a lot of literature 
clinical studies that people 

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have done on that, but that's 
really interesting. 

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Yeah, yeah, it is, I mean, 
there's there's so many studies 

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done, you know, in the mix that 
approach. 

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But there's not really studied 
many studies done, you know, in 

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the absence of one or other 
variables here, like the sugar 

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or the process carbohydrates in 
addition, or in tandem with meat

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based protocol. 
So I definitely think more more 

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science needs to be done in that
department for sure. 

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Sure. 
I'm not one of the hardcore 

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guys. 
It's like you know all plants 

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are evil by any means. 
I mean there's obviously 

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benefits to play especially from
a medicinal standpoint and 

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plant. 
I mean, I like if nothing else. 

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I like the flavor of certain 
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only eat one thing, the rest of 
my days, it would be a ribeye 

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over a salad, for sure. 
But are we going to have some, 

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some roasted brussel sprouts or 
something? 

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Right there? 
Beside my steak one occasion. 

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Don't get me wrong. 
Yeah, yeah, no definitely. 

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The balance as well. 
I am, I eat a lot of meat. 

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I eat plants. 
I kind of do the combo thing, 

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but I do like the randomness 
with plants. 

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It's it. 
Kind of provides the the spice 

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of life, a little bit, I guess. 
But there are delicious things 

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that you can do. 
If animal-based, only the body 

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is able to adapt and I think 
with creativity were able to 

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figure out things that help us. 
That's delicious, the that makes

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it work for what we're trying to
do. 

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Totally totally. 
What is your view? 

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View on the opposite in the 
Spectrum with regard to the 

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really hardcore vegans and 
vegetarians that have removed 

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meat from their diet. 
Like do you feel like they're 

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missing out? 
I mean, a lot of people who seem

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to follow a very strict vegan 
based approach tend to when I've

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been able to see tend to start 
to see a decline and human 

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performance from a hormonal 
standpoint after a certain 

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number of years. 
Yeah it's an interesting debate 

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you have a lot of Reason things 
are coming out about the about 

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the amazing benefits of just 
being plant-based. 

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And I think every anything on 
either far end of the spectrum, 

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you have to take with a grain of
salt. 

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What we do know from the 
literature though is that people

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who eat just a plant-based diet,
they are going to be devoid in 

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certain vitamins and minerals 
vitamins and minerals are in 

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plans, but they're not present 
in plants in huge quantities. 

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And so you get a lot of that 
from from the great animal 

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based. 
Ducks that you eat. 

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So that's one area where you're 
going to be devoid. 

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When it comes to hormonal levels
testosterone, it's going to be a

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little bit harder to maintain 
those levels with just a 

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plant-based diet without 
including any, any of the animal

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based items. 
Totally agree. 

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I'd love to pick your brain as 
far as like from a, from a 

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supplemental, standpoint from a 
medicinal standpoint. 

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I mean, companies to me these 
green drinks all the time and 

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I've tried just about every one 
of them, most of them. 

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Disgusting. 
But taste aside, I can't even 

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really tell the difference from,
like I don't know of anything 

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that I'm benefiting from. 
Is there like a specific plant, 

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compound molecule supplement, 
that that makes a very apparent 

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difference with regard to 
anything like sleep. 

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I mean, I'm probably is a very 
hard question of can do to 

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conduct last year. 
But are there like any 

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supplements or plant compounds 
or plant materials that you 

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consume on a regular basis 
because you just can't live 

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without it. 
So when it comes to, Let's 

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tackle the green dream question 
first. 

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So green drinks, obviously. 
Like I said, they're all the 

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rage influencers, wherever it's 
all about housing, having some 

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green drink. 
When you wake up in the morning,

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you know, taking taking things, 
you know, the big thing, big 

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rage was celery juice and stuff 
like that. 

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Celery does have an ingredient 
that can help with oxidant 

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status and And what not but and 
it has fiber. 

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But when you take it up and you 
just grind it up into this, 

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watery thing you basically grind
up all the fiber and there's 

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really no benefit in the 
scientific literature for that 

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for the whole celery juice, 
craze, most of the time with 

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these green drinks. 
You don't know where they're 

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from there. 
It's just a powder, right? 

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So you don't know what's in 
there. 

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You don't know the level of 
these. 

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So there are medicinal compounds
in Plants, we know that, but the

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amounts in these powders are 
fleetingly small. 

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When we take them back, I have a
I have a Lab where we analyze 

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compounds and whatnot and you 
could take these fruit powders 

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and analyze it and there's 
basically nothing in there so it

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tastes good, it's great. 
But as far as being substance of

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for health and wellness that 
it's really not there from what 

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I've seen gotcha. 
So there's not any greens 

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supplement that you would point 
to and say this this is worth 

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its weight in gold. 
None that I've seen there are 

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plant ingredients you know like 
if you were to get for instance 

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if you were to get a bearing 
Water that comes from Plants. 

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That's high in barbarian, 
barbarian is a master signal, 

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regulator for inflammation and 
cognition bone, health and 

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whatnot. 
If you were going to if you were

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to take that and to put that 
into your into your morning 

456
00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:11,800
routine. 
The now I'd be great or high 

457
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,000
quality Ginkgo or a high quality
curcumin or something like that.

458
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:15,400
Then. 
Yeah. 

459
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,600
That'd be great. 
But all this you know this has 

460
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:22,300
40 fruits and 12 vegetables and 
we put it all together and it's 

461
00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:25,400
supposed to be amazing. 
The science doesn't support that

462
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:27,700
I have her. 
Great things about berberine 

463
00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:31,300
from a like a glucose disposal 
standpoint of me keeping blood 

464
00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:35,200
glucose in a pretty even Keel 
and eliminating any, you know, 

465
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,300
spikes throughout the day. 
Seems to be pretty pretty common

466
00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:40,300
across the people that are using
it for that purpose. 

467
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,200
It is yeah, bearings. 
Very good for blood glucose. 

468
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,800
Control is excellent for blood 
lipid control as well. 

469
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,500
Lots of good clinical studies 
showing that total and LDL 

470
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:54,300
cholesterol go down when taking 
you know, 500 Meg's of bear 

471
00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:57,800
brain for 30 days. 
Zhao GAO, Lan is another really 

472
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,200
good one for regulating glucose 
levels. 

473
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:05,600
So, so there are some good 
plant-based ingredients and some

474
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,700
good science behind them for 
certain needs States. 

475
00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:11,900
What about like, the the phyto 
estrogens, and like, the 

476
00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:15,800
xenoestrogens that come from. 
A lot of these pesticides and 

477
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,700
whatnot that are being used in 
mono crops or large Plant. 

478
00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:23,200
Crop rotational fields, are is 
there a good rule of thumb, or 

479
00:25:23,208 --> 00:25:26,500
way to mitigate any of those 
harmful compounds that are Aunt 

480
00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:28,800
in just this production of plant
matter. 

481
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:35,300
Yeah so phytoestrogens in 
general are something that you 

482
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:38,200
should probably stay away from 
especially if you have history 

483
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,900
of cancer, phytoestrogens and 
estrogens are interesting. 

484
00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:44,200
They're found in soy and other 
other crops as you mentioned and

485
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,300
it's a it's it's a dichotomy 
there. 

486
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:50,500
Because you have people in Asia 
who have who have eaten soy 

487
00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:54,300
products their entire life and 
women in Asia have the lowest 

488
00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:56,100
incidence of breast cancer in 
the world. 

489
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,100
And then you have here in the 
US. 

490
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:02,700
One of the biggest drivers for 
breast cancer is phytoestrogen 

491
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:04,300
consumption. 
So it's really interesting, 

492
00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:07,200
maybe it's a genetic thing there
when it comes to pesticide 

493
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,500
stuff, the major thing is to 
just make sure that screened 

494
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:15,100
organic obviously, by Nature by 
definition, if it is Strictly 

495
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:17,500
Organic and grown under those 
conditions, in a lot of those 

496
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:21,000
pesticides, shouldn't be there. 
But whenever we take something 

497
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,700
in and it's hard, but you need 
to be able to look at the 

498
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:26,700
certificate of analysis to show.
What? 

499
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,600
What was sprayed on it, how it 
was grown, and then that way, 

500
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:32,500
you know? 
And again, it's hard, it's hard 

501
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:34,600
for the general consumer to know
when you're making supplements 

502
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,500
and stuff like that, you can 
know that. 

503
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:40,600
Do you have a you grow a lot of 
your own plants just to kind of 

504
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,300
play it safe and know exactly 
where it comes from. 

505
00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:46,700
I do yeah, I have my own garden 
and it's not huge but we have 

506
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:50,300
tomatoes coming out of our ears 
right now and it's it does the 

507
00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:54,200
job for my family of five. 
What kind of kind of, you know, 

508
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,200
pull the curtain. 
Back on that, man. 

509
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,500
I have a cat. 
We Bought some land and my wife 

510
00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:02,100
and I plan on getting some some 
cows and pigs and goats kind of 

511
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:04,000
little homesteading operation. 
We're going to get this big the 

512
00:27:04,008 --> 00:27:07,300
garden as well and I don't eat 
much vegetation like I said 

513
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:10,400
earlier but I feel like my my 
consumption will certainly 

514
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,300
increase when I know that it's 
all coming from own garden. 

515
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:15,600
Yeah. 
Green beans. 

516
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,000
I love to grow green beans. 
I like the cruciferous Kel Kel 

517
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,700
grows really well where we are 
here in the Mountain West and 

518
00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:25,400
Utah. 
I don't know about where you're 

519
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,200
at but Kel It grows really well.
So that's something you can do. 

520
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,500
It's very Hardy. 
So it grows you cut. 

521
00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:35,200
It, it grows again and you can 
get as much greens as a tough 

522
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,200
guy, like you would want maybe 
for a decade. 

523
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:41,200
Tomatoes, tomatoes are obviously
good thing. 

524
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,600
Cucumbers grow. 
Well, there's the, you know, 

525
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,700
carrots potatoes, those sorts of
things, you know, it's really 

526
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:53,100
amazing how and, you know, this 
but it's amazing how food tastes

527
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:55,400
when it comes out of your garden
verses from the store. 

528
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:01,100
And When you analyze these, 
these homegrown versus plant 

529
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:03,200
grown even Farmers Market, it's 
just amazing. 

530
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,700
The difference in the medicinal 
compounds in the Homegrown 

531
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:08,800
versus you know something you 
get at the store. 

532
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,900
Even a high-end grocery store. 
Yeah. 

533
00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:13,300
I feel like the I mean correct 
me if I'm wrong here but most of

534
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:16,700
the stuff that's coming in a big
box grocery store retailer Like 

535
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:19,300
It's Gettin. 
It's Gettin picked way 

536
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:22,300
prematurely and then it's 
sprayed with this compound that 

537
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:24,500
ripens it in transit in the 
truck. 

538
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,900
So the actual Fruit or vegetable
that you're getting. 

539
00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:30,700
At the end of the day, in the 
store is void of many of the 

540
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:33,400
nutrients because it was just 
simply pulled from that vine too

541
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,300
soon. 
That's right. 

542
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:39,300
And a lot of times the really 
potent medicinal compounds in 

543
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:42,900
the fruit or vegetable don't 
come out until the very end went

544
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:47,600
like a peach when it starts to 
get soft and ripe and sweet. 

545
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,100
That's really when the 
polyphenols these medicinal 

546
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:52,000
compound start to gain in 
concentration. 

547
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000
So if you pick it early and 
spray it, then a lot of those 

548
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,900
really So compounds, don't come 
out. 

549
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,300
Got you, I got you are there any
things that I got think? 

550
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:04,400
Do you have crops that you're 
growing right now? 

551
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,300
What's the latest in the year? 
I should start playing this, 

552
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,000
this Garden of ours. 
Yeah, so if you're starting to 

553
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,400
plant right now obviously 
cucumber zucchini, squash 

554
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,900
pumpkin will do well Tomatoes, 
you still might be able to get 

555
00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:21,300
some tomatoes in green beans are
still quite Hardy. 

556
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:24,500
You might be able to sneak a 
crop of green beans in. 

557
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:30,000
They usually take about 75 days,
or Or so to come up potatoes, 

558
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,400
beets turnips, all sorts of 
things, you could plant and 

559
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,000
those do well during the winter 
time as well. 

560
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,300
So you're not too late for those
nice. 

561
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,300
Well, what month, do you 
typically start planting in the 

562
00:29:39,308 --> 00:29:42,900
spring? 
We start planning around May 4, 

563
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:47,300
where we live in Utah with frost
and what not usually after 

564
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:50,200
Mother's Day, or right before 
Mother's Day, is the best time 

565
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,700
to start planting and hopefully 
avoid a. 

566
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:57,200
Frost you have a problem with 
like, Deer and rabbits, and get 

567
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,500
into the crop. 
Not where I live a few miles 

568
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:04,100
away though, in the Foothills. 
You do have problems there, but 

569
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:08,000
I'm a little bit outside of the 
game Trail area, so we're okay 

570
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000
there. 
Okay, Mac going to probably have

571
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,500
to fence my garden and to play 
it safe, I think nice. 

572
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,700
Yeah, they can be buggers, 
that's for sure. 

573
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,000
They can they can. 
What about bees, man? 

574
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,000
I don't know how much of a be, 
you know, honey bee person you 

575
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,800
are but be the bee population is
pretty much the Direct driver 

576
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,400
for the pollination and the 
growth of all these plants. 

577
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:35,400
Correct, that's correct. 
Do you, do you know the bee 

578
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,200
population, your area, or do you
have you ever looked into 

579
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,100
farming beat yourself? 
I have. 

580
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:44,400
Yeah, that's, that's one of my 
dreams is to be a Napier. 

581
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,200
I love bees. 
I love honey. 

582
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,900
Honey, is when you look at the 
chemical compounds and honey, 

583
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:52,500
it's marvelous has over 100 
different flavor, knowns. 

584
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:54,200
And different really cool 
compounds. 

585
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,700
A lot of people wrongly think. 
Ink. 

586
00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:58,800
Well honey, he's just like what 
sugar when you take honey, your 

587
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,300
glucose spikes just the same and
it doesn't actually the glucose 

588
00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:05,500
curve with honey is quite a bit 
different than straight sucrose 

589
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:08,700
or even some other sugar 
substitutes. 

590
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:13,100
So honey is really good. 
Proposed is amazing as well. 

591
00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:17,400
But it's the, the glue that bees
produce, that keeps the hive 

592
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,800
together and feed the larvae and
whatnot. 

593
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:23,300
And I have wanted to do bees in 
my yard. 

594
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,800
My land is a little too small. 
You know, you have to have the 

595
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,800
nice. 
A runway for the bees to come in

596
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,800
and and my neighbors kind of 
block it. 

597
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,100
So it's interesting when you 
look into putting in a beehive, 

598
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,200
there's all these like criteria 
for the B's, you know, like the 

599
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,400
runway it has to come from the 
southwest and it has to have at 

600
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,500
least, you know, 50 yards and 
whatnot is pretty complicated. 

601
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:46,500
So, according to those Pharisee 
achill rules, I read online. 

602
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:49,200
I can't quite high of a beehive 
yet, but I want to. 

603
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,000
Yeah, man, it's cool. 
We used to have these way back 

604
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,500
in the day. 
We had like 20, 25 hives at one 

605
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:57,400
point. 
Now I've moved and probably 

606
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,900
going to get back into it though
because I think even though I 

607
00:31:59,908 --> 00:32:02,100
don't really eat much honey or 
any honey now, really? 

608
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:05,800
But I just know how profoundly 
impacts the the local 

609
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,800
vegetation. 
It's like it just seemed like 

610
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,500
the right thing to do if I 
wanted to have a flourishing 

611
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,600
crop and just add to the 
ecosystem. 

612
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,900
Yeah, without a doubt, one of 
the biggest drivers of the 

613
00:32:15,900 --> 00:32:20,300
ecosystem which is you know, one
of the concerns with with bees 

614
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:23,400
and Bee colony collapse. 
It's going on around the world. 

615
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,600
It's it is a concern. 
Hmm. 

616
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:27,800
What about tea? 
Do you drink a lot of tea? 

617
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,900
I don't personally because of my
religion is a member of the 

618
00:32:31,908 --> 00:32:33,900
Church of Jesus Christ of 
Latter-day Saints. 

619
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,300
T though has some, some great 
compound. 

620
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:41,400
Some catechins catechins are the
major component of t. 

621
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:44,500
One of the biggest ones is egcg 
epic. 

622
00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:46,600
A Epi Gallo catechin. 
Golly. 

623
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,400
That's a, that's a mouthful. 
It's a really interesting 

624
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,100
compound has a lot of really 
good, you know, anti-cancer 

625
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:55,000
people say, antic, answer for 
everything, whatever. 

626
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,200
But it really does regulate the 
chemical switches The genes in 

627
00:32:59,208 --> 00:33:03,400
the body helps to give some 
natural energy and it is a 

628
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,000
scavenger of reactive oxygen 
species. 

629
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,800
So, if there are some really 
good compounds and is that 

630
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:11,500
common more? 
So when I can green tea, or is 

631
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:12,900
that just across the board, with
all teeth? 

632
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,700
A green tea? 
Yeah. 

633
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:19,500
So white black, you know, along 
the different teas. 

634
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,700
So the names of the teams are 
derived from the different 

635
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:26,900
processes that go through and in
the other processes of 

636
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:28,400
fermentation of white and black 
to you. 

637
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,900
Have to heat it up a little bit 
more and the higher heat 

638
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:35,100
degrades these catechins. 
And so the lower heat like green

639
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:39,500
tea or matcha which is not 
heated at all, you have really 

640
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,100
high levels of these polyphenols
of these catechins. 

641
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:45,900
Yeah, matcha is something that 
I've been wanting to acquire 

642
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:47,700
taste for me. 
Do you drink matcha? 

643
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,200
I've drunk it on occasion. 
Yeah. 

644
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,300
It's it's great. 
It tastes great, you know, fresh

645
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:56,700
grassy. 
You know, you just feel healthy 

646
00:33:56,700 --> 00:34:00,100
when you when you drink it. 
Something Masha and Market 

647
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:01,500
because are two different 
compounds, right? 

648
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,300
Yeah. 
So Mark is a root that comes 

649
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:10,000
from a plant in South America in
the Andes region and Masha is 

650
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,500
the the Tea Leaf. 
So the Camilla senescence. 

651
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:17,100
Leave when you pick it young, 
you pick a green, that's matcha 

652
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,900
catch and Maka. 
The the root it's supposed to 

653
00:34:20,908 --> 00:34:24,400
have all these supposed to have 
all kinds of benefits like from 

654
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:29,199
a sexual hormones standpoint, 
and from a recovery Standpoint. 

655
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,000
Like it's kind of hailed as one 
of the Super Foods. 

656
00:34:31,699 --> 00:34:34,500
Yeah, that's right. 
Maka contains a class of small 

657
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:36,900
molecules called Mach amides 
which like you said, yeah, 

658
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:40,199
they're they're good for libido 
hormone balance energy 

659
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:44,400
production. 
Maka actually targets the 

660
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:46,400
cannabinoid receptor in the 
body. 

661
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:48,900
So, CBD, and cannabinoids are 
all the rage. 

662
00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:53,600
The, but the brain does have a 
landing pad, is a landing pad. 

663
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:57,600
A receptor for cannabinoids and 
Maka, the compounds of Makkah 

664
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,400
actually hit that. 
So Of cognition and mood and 

665
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,700
even a little bit of pain but 
mostly it's sexual performance 

666
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:08,700
sexual and Human Performance. 
The biggest benefits of Maca 

667
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:13,700
catch you what is your take on 
the THC CBD phenomenon? 

668
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:14,900
That's sweeping the country 
right now. 

669
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:16,700
What's the status of that in 
Utah's? 

670
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:19,900
It they are, they open up their 
know. 

671
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,400
You can get it at a dispensary, 
if you have a card Utah's, not 

672
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,400
open yet. 
I was in Colorado the other day.

673
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,000
I A, I do some work in Colorado 
and obviously that was one of 

674
00:35:31,008 --> 00:35:36,700
the first ones to legalize 
cannabis and I do a lot of 

675
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:42,300
research action, the CBD and THC
space and CBD real nth. 

676
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:45,300
See, they really do have some 
good literature coming out on 

677
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:46,600
them. 
Now, that people are able to get

678
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,100
their hands on the materials 
were able to isolate them and 

679
00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:52,300
purify, and separate out the 
different compounds. 

680
00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:55,200
There is some really good 
science coming online with CBD 

681
00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:58,500
with anxiety and stress and 
pain. 

682
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,700
In and sleep, obviously 
seizures. 

683
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,100
So, that was the very beginning 
with CBD. 

684
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:08,300
There is, a pharmaceutical drug 
called AP dialects, which is, 

685
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,500
which is used for seizures. 
And so, for people who have 

686
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:15,300
treatment-resistant seizures, 
CBD is one of the best things 

687
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:17,600
out there. 
Gosh, there are, there, are 

688
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,700
there. 
Many negative implications with 

689
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:24,300
like th see for instance, that 
that that's a super hot topic 

690
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:27,600
and I feel like I've seen quite 
a bit of research coming out 

691
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,900
that it Excessive THC 
consumption come. 

692
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:33,400
Can't have quite a phytoestrogen
effect. 

693
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,600
I don't know if there's any 
definitive sounds from that or 

694
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,400
not. 
Yeah the science is still out 

695
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,900
there trying to do quality dose 
controlled studies without 

696
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,400
having confounding effects come 
in as been difficult. 

697
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,000
And I haven't really seen a good
solid study in that regard. 

698
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:52,600
But yeah, there are 
phytoestrogen effects. 

699
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,300
Potentially with high levels of 
THC, high levels of THC, can 

700
00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:02,300
potentially Hormone levels can 
get out of balance, obviously 

701
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:05,700
there's a the there's the 
relaxation effect with THC 

702
00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:08,500
saturated. 
If it gets saturated to the 

703
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:10,800
point. 
Can that throw other systems in 

704
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,800
the, in the body, out of balance
the clock genes, right? 

705
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,600
So, you have genes that are 
essential for a waking 

706
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,800
functioning doing different 
things, and then you have clock 

707
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,300
genes that are turned off. 
And so there's some research 

708
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:26,400
showing that potentially large 
amounts of THC can mess up the 

709
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,000
clock Gene sequence in the body.
Gotcha, gotcha. 

710
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,100
Yeah, this is like the THC CBD, 
you know, phenomenon is kind of 

711
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:38,000
like the wild west right now 
that seems both from a consumer 

712
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,000
standpoint and from a regulatory
standpoint, nobody knows what's 

713
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,600
going to happen. 
It is it's like an old west 

714
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,900
Shoot-Out. 
You know, something's got to 

715
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:51,500
give because the FDA selling CBD
is illegal because the way it 

716
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:56,800
works and since GW Pharma this 
company, that studies CBD and 

717
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,600
they came out with this CBD 
drug, Called AP dialects while 

718
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,000
if I'm going to sell CBD. 
And someone already developed is

719
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,400
a drug that I can't because I'm 
basically peddling, a 

720
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,800
pharmaceutical drug. 
And so with the FDA for 

721
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,700
everybody who is selling CBD, 
based products, they're selling 

722
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:17,200
unapproved new drugs. 
But by the same token, they let 

723
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,500
people continue to sell them and
month after month. 

724
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:22,400
That, you know, the markets 
growing 30% month. 

725
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,600
After month, there's bills that 
have gone through the hemp Bill 

726
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,600
and whatnot, so farmers can now 
grow it. 

727
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,700
And so it's interesting. 
This interesting phenomenon 

728
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:34,200
that's going on this, 
something's going to have to 

729
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,100
give, you know, it's like the 
old west Shoot-Out were both 

730
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:37,400
from our standing there with 
their guns. 

731
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,300
And it's going to be interesting
to see who draws first, and what

732
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:42,200
happens. 
Well, hemp is interesting 

733
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,200
because you're getting a lot of 
the, the CBD benefits from the 

734
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,800
him, but there's no. 
And I might totally butchers, 

735
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,600
but there's no, there's no THC 
components in hint though, 

736
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,600
right? 
So the hemp that people grow 

737
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:59,300
legally, ask contain lessons 0.3
percent THC and if it contains 

738
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:02,800
less than that amount, it's 
called Industrial Hemp catch and

739
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,300
seller. 
So yeah, very small amount of 

740
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,100
THC. 
Gotcha. 

741
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:08,700
Gotcha. 
What about the mushroom that 

742
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:10,500
that? 
I guess that's more of a fungi 

743
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:15,100
than than a plant per se but I 
guess depending on how strict 

744
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:16,300
you want to be. 
That would still be kind of 

745
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:19,000
within the same realm of your 
expertise, right? 

746
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:21,600
Yeah, yeah but mushrooms are 
great. 

747
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,200
I've done a lot of research on, 
there's a really cool mushroom 

748
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:28,500
called Chinese caterpillar 
fungus, which grows in the in 

749
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:31,100
the Baton Plateau above 16,000 
feet. 

750
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:35,600
So there's a moth, it's called a
ghost moth and this moth is 

751
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:37,700
becomes infected with the 
fungus. 

752
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,400
And so while it's sitting 
underneath the ground six inches

753
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,400
under the ground, it's infected 
with this fungus and it's like, 

754
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,500
out of a movie. 
This fungus actually takes over 

755
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,400
the Machinery of the, of the 
moth of the worm. 

756
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,200
So it takes over the Machinery. 
It rewires its brain, such that 

757
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,000
the larvae instead of sitting 
Being horizontal, it turns 

758
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,100
vertical and it moves up to 
about 2 inches, underneath the 

759
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:05,200
soil there. 
And then, during the spring 

760
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,400
time, it grows a stroma out of 
the head of the moth that pokes 

761
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,800
through the soil. 
And that's how it shoots out the

762
00:40:11,808 --> 00:40:15,200
spores, and it's called Chinese 
caterpillar fungus, and people 

763
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,200
collect that, I've done a lot of
research on that. 

764
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,200
And, you know, it's supposed to 
help in Chinese medicine, 

765
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,400
everything from libido to heart,
health to endurance, this 

766
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,300
Chinese Chinese women athletes 
were banned in the Olympics. 

767
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:28,600
It was because they were taking 
this. 

768
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:31,600
Cordyceps mushroom. 
So, that's a really cool 

769
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,900
mushroom that I studied that 
it's a lot of fun. 

770
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,700
I've heard. 
I've heard of this heard of a 

771
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:40,700
similar mechanism happening in 
parasites, but I've never heard 

772
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:43,100
of that, coming through a fungus
before. 

773
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,300
Yeah, there are several fungi 
fungi like this, that, that use 

774
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:51,400
that mechanism, you know, 
they're called Zombie fungi. 

775
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,100
There's another one that does 
the same thing. 

776
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:57,600
But attacks ants so ants in the 
rainforest it'll it'll you know,

777
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,100
get some of this these fungal 
Spores on them, the fungus takes

778
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:03,500
over the Machinery of the end 
and it's really cool and this 

779
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:05,100
case. 
So you have an ant that's in the

780
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,600
nest. 
The fungus will take it over and

781
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,300
it will move. 
It will actually take over the 

782
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:13,700
motor function of the ants. 
So it takes it out of the hive 

783
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:19,000
along the rainforest floor. 
It makes it climb up to an area 

784
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,600
where the fungus can get perfect
sunlight. 

785
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,400
And so what will happen is the 
is the aunt, the mandible, it 

786
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,400
will clamp down on a leaf, 
that's in a perfect area. 

787
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:32,000
Sunlight for fungal growth to 
happen and it will clamp down on

788
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:32,900
there. 
It'll die. 

789
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:37,600
And then the fungus will mummify
it and then shoot out spores, 

790
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,400
from there to reproduce. 
And what's interesting in 

791
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,400
studies that they've done, is 
they've calculated and I don't 

792
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,200
know how scientists do this, but
they the mandible, the job the 

793
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,500
ant, they've calculated how 
strong it is. 

794
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,800
Just normally normal motor 
function and then they've 

795
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,900
calculated how strong it is when
it's been taken over by this 

796
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:57,800
zombie fungus and it's actually 
five times stronger when taken 

797
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,000
over by the zombies. 
Because than normal. 

798
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,600
So it really clamps onto there 
so it won't fall off. 

799
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,800
So really, really interesting 
stuff. 

800
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,500
Yeah, yeah. 
Like I don't care how hardcore 

801
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:09,800
Carnival and that plants you are
like when you start looking into

802
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,300
that, like, that's just freaking
awesome. 

803
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:15,800
Yeah, I I love plans. 
There's some really cool stuff 

804
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,200
that goes on and the interplay 
between fungi and plants. 

805
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,200
You have all these n and lichens
bacteria have all these 

806
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,900
different layers. 
And when you have, when you have

807
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:28,200
a Machinery biosynthetic, 
Machinery of these different 

808
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,500
things and make Cross together. 
That's really, when you get some

809
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:33,400
cool stuff going on. 
Now, what about the like the 

810
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,700
nootropics from from the 
mushroom? 

811
00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:38,500
Specifically like like lion's 
mane? 

812
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:41,700
Yeah, you know, all of these 
have really seen to gain 

813
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:45,500
popularity in recent years. 
You see a lot of mushroom, 

814
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:49,000
Blends coffee, Blends 
pre-workouts now, or even using 

815
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,600
a lot of these different 
mushroom Blends. 

816
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:55,600
Are there, some that are overly 
hyped or are, is it all pretty 

817
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,000
legit? 
Yeah, there's definitely That 

818
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,300
are overly hide the, the best 
ones in the literature reishi. 

819
00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:05,200
Mushroom has some really, really
good studies on it. 

820
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:11,300
Lion's mane really good studies 
on it, chaga it has some. 

821
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:14,500
Okay, studies research still 
needs to come out. 

822
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:16,600
It's more kind of a marketing 
darling at this point. 

823
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,700
It does have really good immune 
Health properties. 

824
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:21,800
But as far as everything else, 
that they're claiming more work,

825
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,500
needs to be done, simple ones, 
like my talking maitake. 

826
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:29,400
And shiitake both have some 
good, some good Research behind 

827
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,400
them. 
So in general? 

828
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,200
Yeah the mushroom bioactive 
compounds. 

829
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,600
There's some good scientific 
legit legitimacy to him. 

830
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,500
Now it all depends though on how
it's how it's grown and how its 

831
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:42,600
processed. 
Now it's put in a lot like 

832
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,900
anything. 
You can have something that's 

833
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:46,900
super bioactive, a plant 
material, or you can have a 

834
00:43:46,908 --> 00:43:51,100
plant material that, you know, 
that's it's just been, you know,

835
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,600
treated wrongly. 
And it's just been heated so 

836
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,500
much that heated to at are 
right. 

837
00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:59,700
And so one plant material can 
contain a Lot of really cool, 

838
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:02,600
interesting, bioactives and the 
other one can be devoid and the 

839
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,100
sames with mushrooms. 
It depends on how you powder 

840
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:06,400
them. 
How you produce, some the heat 

841
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,700
that's used and all those 
different things? 

842
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,000
Is there a particular supplier 
or vendor for mushroom compounds

843
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,700
that you trust? 
And when vouch for because I've 

844
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:18,300
been Keen to kind of experiment 
with a few different blends on 

845
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:23,000
those for nootropic, you know, 
pre workouts and or just 

846
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,900
honestly just cognitive 
Improvement when sitting down 

847
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:28,600
for a long podcast. 
Yeah. 

848
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:31,800
I hear you. 
Yeah. 

849
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,600
When it comes to certain person 
and not not so much. 

850
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,800
The the main thing you want to 
look for is if it's 

851
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,800
freeze-dried. 
So you want the mushroom to be 

852
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,400
extracted if possible because 
then they're pulling out the 

853
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,600
good compounds, good compounds, 
that mushrooms are 

854
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,800
polysaccharides. 
So if you see a mushroom 

855
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,900
material that standardized to 
polysaccharides, then that's 

856
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:53,200
good. 
That's what you want. 

857
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,700
It means that it's enriched 
standardized. 

858
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,900
As the name, implies means that 
if you take a material and it Is

859
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:04,000
the 30% polysaccharides then 
that material as at least 30% 

860
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,200
polysaccharides so, freeze dried
and then extracted the poli-sci 

861
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,200
and standardized to 
polysaccharides are the things I

862
00:45:11,207 --> 00:45:13,900
would look for, okay? 
I challenge start, I'll start 

863
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:17,600
perusing the interwebs for a 
good supplier there because I 

864
00:45:17,607 --> 00:45:21,000
mean that's something that I 
think like I've tested around 

865
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,500
with a few different mushroom 
Blends and I feel like that is a

866
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:26,800
cleaner source of energy than 
just to excessive caffeine 

867
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,300
consumption. 
I mean some of these Mushroom 

868
00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:32,000
blend coffees that aren't even 
actually coffee. 

869
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,400
They're just mushroomed kind of 
flavored like coffee like that. 

870
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,500
To me, seems like a an easy win 
for somebody wanting to have 

871
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:43,000
that same habit, that coffee 
drinking habit, but remove the 

872
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,300
excessive caffeine consumption. 
Yeah, that's right. 

873
00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:48,200
A mushrooms are totally 
underutilized. 

874
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:51,100
I think we're just scratching 
the surface on the benefits that

875
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:54,700
they have, and the commercial 
applications that are there. 

876
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,400
There's a lot of exciting things
to come mushrooms in the food 

877
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,000
supply chain. 
I know Hardcore meet guys might 

878
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,800
not enjoy this as much but 
mushrooms you know for vegan 

879
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,700
type foods and whatnot is a 
complete protein source and what

880
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:12,000
not a good macro profile. 
There's a there's a lot of 

881
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,700
interesting things coming for 
mushrooms. 

882
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,400
Yeah. 
Plus, they're tasty. 

883
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,000
I mean, like, I don't really get
a whole lot of flavor, from 

884
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,200
thing of iceberg, lettuce, but 
you can like a portobello 

885
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,200
mushroom and throw it on the 
grill. 

886
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,900
Like there's actually quite a 
bit of flavor and then that is 

887
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:28,400
right. 
Mushrooms are delicious, you 

888
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,400
know? 
Most of them they take on the 

889
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,000
oil and the spices and whatever 
you give them and they are 

890
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,800
fantastic. 
Absolutely. 

891
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,100
And and it just interesting in 
itself, I mean you go perusing 

892
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:41,500
through the woods and you can 
pick up one mushroom that's 100%

893
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:44,000
safety and you eat another one 
and it'll kill you and put you 

894
00:46:44,008 --> 00:46:46,100
in a hospital. 
That's right. 

895
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:47,800
Yeah, mushrooms are freaking 
cool as well. 

896
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,200
The chemistry there, how fast 
they grow? 

897
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,100
I mean a lot of them literally 
grow overnight, you know, from 

898
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:55,300
nothing to three or four inches 
tall. 

899
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:57,300
There's yeah, they're really 
cool. 

900
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:58,600
They've been around for hundreds
of Millions. 

901
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:02,300
Years. 
And they'll Outlast Outlast us 

902
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:03,600
for sure. 
They're really hearty. 

903
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,700
And they've done some really 
cool studies where they take a 

904
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:09,500
mushrooms and lichens in space 
and irradiated them with the 

905
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:13,000
full, you know, solar radiation 
of the sun which basically 

906
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,100
disintegrates most living things
and they're fine. 

907
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:18,000
If you take him back down to 
earth and they're just like me, 

908
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:20,800
they function as normal. 
Well, they because they found 

909
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,200
that like lichen on mars or 
something, right? 

910
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:26,900
Yeah, lichens are amazing as 
well. 

911
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:30,200
I've done a lot, I've done a lot
of study He's unlike ins and 

912
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,400
lichen is a fungi and bacteria 
living together and they're 

913
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,600
really cool. 
Yeah, very Hardy. 

914
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:42,000
Yeah, it's pretty cool man. 
Like people get so, you know, 

915
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:44,700
one sided with, with these 
different compounds. 

916
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:47,800
But whether you eat it or not, 
you got to respect how hard are,

917
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,200
they are, what they can do for 
for other animals, if not your 

918
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,100
own self. 
Yeah, yeah, that's right. 

919
00:47:55,100 --> 00:47:57,200
Look very interesting, man. 
What's in the pipeline of way? 

920
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,000
What are you working on that? 
What kind of research you dive 

921
00:47:59,000 --> 00:47:59,800
into? 
What? 

922
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,800
What compounds you studying 
currently. 

923
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:04,400
Yeah. 
So a lot of things that we're 

924
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,800
doing. 
We're doing a lot with plants 

925
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,400
plants that help to regulate 
signaling mechanisms in the 

926
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,800
body. 
The body is like an, an 

927
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,000
electrical grid and lifestyle 
factors can cause brownouts in 

928
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,500
this grid. 
And so, we're looking at plant 

929
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:23,400
compounds, can help to turn turn
The brownout Back on to 

930
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,100
revitalize, the Grid at some 
things that were doing. 

931
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,500
We're looking a plant compounds 
that can help to destroy bad 

932
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:32,600
bacteria in the gut one. 
Interesting thing that we're 

933
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,700
doing some research on on, the 
would be interesting. 

934
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:40,800
Hopefully, interesting for your 
people is beta-hydroxybutyrate 

935
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:43,800
and we all know that that's a 
great energy producing molecule.

936
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:47,600
It's a glucose alternative, but 
there's some really cool papers 

937
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,700
coming out showing that 
beta-hydroxybutyrate, actually 

938
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:53,500
regulates signaling and Gene 
expression in the body. 

939
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:58,300
Mmm, got you. 
So how is that like how are you 

940
00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:00,600
conducting those those states 
that what does that look like 

941
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,800
mechanistically? 
Yeah. 

942
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,600
So mechanism mechanistically, 
these are some studies that 

943
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,300
we've seen some other people 
conducting that we're going to 

944
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:12,800
look into conducting ourselves. 
So beta-hydroxybutyrate one of 

945
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,300
the major Ketone bodies 
obviously you can get it pretty 

946
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:18,300
cheap. 
We are looking at studies where 

947
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:20,800
we're feeding cells 
beta-hydroxybutyrate and we're 

948
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,000
looking at gene expression 
Changes in those cells. 

949
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,500
So, there's a signaling 
mechanism in the body called 

950
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,200
hdac histone deacetylation. 
So, there's genes that turn on 

951
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,400
and off and they're expressed, 
and it's basically like a zipper

952
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,500
if, you know, push, it pull the 
zipper up. 

953
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:41,300
The jeans are the chemical 
switches are closed if you pull 

954
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:45,100
the zipper down there, then the 
the genes are open, they're 

955
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:50,100
unlocked in order to function 
and so beta-hydroxybutyrate 

956
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:53,200
actually turns genes on and so 
we're doing Some studies there 

957
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:56,200
we're seeing are there different
things that we can do in the 

958
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,600
sport performance space or even 
the supplement space to use, 

959
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,300
beta-hydroxybutyrate or an 
analog to help with energy 

960
00:50:04,300 --> 00:50:07,100
production to help with the 
nervous system. 

961
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:10,300
Some of the things we're looking
into as well, is 

962
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:13,000
beta-hydroxybutyrate for 
neuroprotection. 

963
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,800
There's some interesting studies
are beta hydroxy, butyrate for 

964
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,700
longevity. 
There's some, there's some 

965
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:22,200
things there, so that's one area
that we're working on that, that

966
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,200
Your group would would find 
exciting? 

967
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:26,100
Yeah, yeah, totally. 
I have you. 

968
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,300
I'm assuming you've gotten like 
a genetic test and got all the 

969
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:32,600
raw data to kind of see what 
what your jeans kind of 

970
00:50:32,607 --> 00:50:36,300
predispose you to. 
Yeah, I have done that testing. 

971
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:44,200
Is there one that you recommend?
I know 23andMe is probably the 

972
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,400
most known but that one doesn't 
really dive very deep into the 

973
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,700
the genetic data and all this 
Snips that people have. 

974
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,600
Yeah, that one is the most known
and actually the science on that

975
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,400
one is the best. 
I know that they haven't looked 

976
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,900
him recently but I know that 
they and others are starting to 

977
00:50:59,900 --> 00:51:04,700
offer more snip options. 
So II really don't know. 

978
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:06,400
I haven't looked into that too 
closely. 

979
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,500
It's been it's been a little bit
genetics and epigenetics are 

980
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:11,600
interesting for you. 
Man, there's there's so many 

981
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,400
things that we that we have 
learned from that in the very, 

982
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,500
very recent few recent past, 
like special from an AB genetic 

983
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:20,800
standpoint, how the things that 
we consume and the environmental

984
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,100
factors that we subject 
ourselves to have a direct 

985
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:25,900
impact on, you know, our 
Offspring and next to him. 

986
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,700
Yeah, when I was at Caltech, 
that's why I study was 

987
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:32,400
epigenetics and it's amazing. 
You know, a lot of people talk 

988
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,100
about DNA and whatnot and the 
DNA sequence whatnot, and, you 

989
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:40,300
know, that's the primary 
sequence of the DNA but that 

990
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,900
doesn't matter. 
He'll beings. 

991
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,500
If the DNA is an Express 
properly, and that's what 

992
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:47,200
epigenetics is, is how is the 
DNA expressed? 

993
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,800
Is it turned on? 
So the gene can can function and

994
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,500
produce a protein or is it 
turned off? 

995
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:54,900
And like you said, there's been 
a lot of really fascinating 

996
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:57,800
research showing that people in 
bad health. 

997
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,400
Health conditions like obesity, 
for instance, people who are 

998
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,600
obese, their children are 60% 
more likely to be obese because 

999
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:10,300
the genes that help to regulate 
healthy BMI are turned off. 

1000
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,600
In the parents and then when 
they give birth, it's turned off

1001
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:18,100
also in the in the child. 
And so if it's not turned on 

1002
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:20,800
somehow, then they're going to 
go down that same path or 

1003
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,200
predisposed to it so it's 
fascinating stuff. 

1004
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,500
Yes. 
How many people they play this? 

1005
00:52:26,700 --> 00:52:29,400
You know, reactive, you know, 
always just my genetics. 

1006
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,600
They kind of use that card. 
And yeah, you're trying to 

1007
00:52:32,607 --> 00:52:35,400
remove that, you know, 
responsibility from the cells. 

1008
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,600
But I think the all the studies 
that have come out about 

1009
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,800
epigenetics really put that 
power back and around Own hands 

1010
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,000
like hey, no look you've got 
pretty much a direct effect on 

1011
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,600
how your environmental factors 
are going to express your jeans 

1012
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,500
and your kids genes and their 
kids genes for generations to 

1013
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:51,900
come. 
So you better honestly just get 

1014
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:53,400
your shit together and do it. 
Right. 

1015
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,300
Yeah, well said, yeah, people 
who want to blame it on genomics

1016
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:01,000
or genetics or whatnot. 
I think it's cop-out. 

1017
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,900
And there's a lot of things that
you can do to help to make sure 

1018
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:06,600
those genes are expressed 
properly. 

1019
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,700
Totally, totally very 
interesting field of study 

1020
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:12,200
indeed. 
Indeed, well, I'm super excited 

1021
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,500
about what do you got going on 
here? 

1022
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:16,200
I'm going to start experimenting
with some different plant 

1023
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,100
compounds, especially the 
mushroom compounds. 

1024
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:21,100
Is there any that you would 
recommend? 

1025
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,900
If somebody's is listen to this 
and kind of want to see if they 

1026
00:53:23,908 --> 00:53:28,000
can pick up on a certain, you 
know, supplement or just see if 

1027
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,900
they can tell the difference, is
there like a few low hanging 

1028
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:32,500
fruit so to speak that you would
point to? 

1029
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:36,400
Yeah, I would, I would get a 
lion's mane coffee. 

1030
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,600
You know, there's, there's a 
bunch of good companies that are

1031
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,500
out there that are selling 
something like That I would try 

1032
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:44,600
lion's mane, lion's mane mixed 
with coffee and see how you like

1033
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,600
a lion's mane. 
Has some really good 

1034
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,600
neuroprotective. 
Neuroprotective properties. 

1035
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:53,800
Chagas, another one chaga coffee
Chagas really good for immunity 

1036
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:57,300
immunity is obviously something 
that's on all of our minds here 

1037
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:01,300
recently. 
So chaga, Lions, Mane's coffee, 

1038
00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:05,000
or just the lion's mane T by 
itself. 

1039
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:07,000
Pretty cool stuff. 
Awesome. 

1040
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,100
I'll certainly look into that. 
Well, dr. 

1041
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:10,300
Dan good. 
But what can people go to find? 

1042
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,900
More about you. 
Go to our website, feel F ee, L 

1043
00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:17,900
brilliant.com. 
We have cool products for cell 

1044
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:22,800
signaling inhibiting, bacterial 
chatter and lowering cholesterol

1045
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,200
levels. 
We have a product that lowers 

1046
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,800
cholesterol levels on par with 
mid do statins. 

1047
00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:29,600
You can also look at me on my 
Instagram, dr. 

1048
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,200
Dan Gubler. 
I talk about a lot of cool Plant

1049
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,400
stuff. 
If you guys want to geek out 

1050
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,100
about plants and cool compounds 
there. 

1051
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,100
That's, that's a lot of what I 
do. 

1052
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,900
What you've gotta do. 
You gotta tell me a little bit 

1053
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:42,100
about this. 
This, this compound that is on 

1054
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:43,700
par with statins. 
What I was in that. 

1055
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,400
Yeah, so we have a bearing in 
there. 

1056
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,500
We have a molecule called Zhao 
gulen and it's a patent-pending 

1057
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:54,800
mixture. 
It works via a unique mechanism,

1058
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:59,500
there's an enzyme called pcsk9, 
and this is the only supplement 

1059
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:01,600
on the market the interacts with
that Target. 

1060
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,500
And that's why we're seeing the 
great results that we are. 

1061
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:09,100
There's only one farmer drug 
that targets pcsk9, and it's 

1062
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:11,000
about $600. 
Month. 

1063
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:15,500
And so statin drugs, big thing 
that everybody uses for 

1064
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:17,400
cholesterol control. 
Statins are amazing. 

1065
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,000
They've saved millions of 
people's lives. 

1066
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,300
But they have terrible side 
effects. 

1067
00:55:20,300 --> 00:55:23,500
They have neuropathy muscle. 
Detachment is one of the biggest

1068
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:26,400
things to people who have been 
taking statins for a long time 

1069
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:30,200
muscles. 
The tendons become weak and they

1070
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,200
can detach, you know, people 
just even stepping down a stair.

1071
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,400
You can have the, the tendon in 
your hamstring detach arms and 

1072
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,000
whatnot. 
So when You look at shoulder 

1073
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,500
surgeries and rotator cuff. 
Surgeries. 

1074
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:47,200
Large, percentages of those. 
In older people. 

1075
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,900
Basically 70% of those are 
people who have been taking 

1076
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:52,100
statins for a long time. 
So statins have a lot of 

1077
00:55:52,107 --> 00:55:55,700
negative side effects. 
This product lowers cholesterol 

1078
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:58,800
on par with these statins. 
And we've done extensive 

1079
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,500
clinical studies and we haven't 
seen any negative side effects 

1080
00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:02,900
are. 
So we're really excited about 

1081
00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:04,800
that. 
It's called brilliant control 

1082
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,500
and you can find that on our 
website. 

1083
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,800
That's pretty cool. 
I look, when that for sure. 

1084
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,400
I feel like they're there. 
Funny place for statins. 

1085
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,600
And I don't want to villainize 
statins, but I feel like there's

1086
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,100
a massive amount of doctors out 
there that are very quick to 

1087
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:21,500
prescribe statins prematurely. 
And, I mean, the thing, I mean, 

1088
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:25,600
with with cholesterol, panels 
lipid, panels, like that is so 

1089
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,100
Keen to very variability based 
off of what you had the night 

1090
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:32,300
before. 
You got this test, even with the

1091
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:35,900
12-hour fasting window. 
So I mean somebody could have a 

1092
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,600
meal that be totally different, 
the next week and those numbers 

1093
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,100
would not even reflect anything 
summer. 

1094
00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:42,500
To what would cause a doctor to 
prescribe statins. 

1095
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:45,900
So having a more natural remedy 
to keep those numbers and check 

1096
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:49,000
and keep your doc happy would be
what I would point to, for sure.

1097
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:52,400
Yeah, I mean it's all about. 
You have two different ways of 

1098
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,600
taking care of the body. 
You have proactive wellness and 

1099
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,200
you have reactive, wellness and 
Farmers, really good on the 

1100
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,200
reactive side and you know that 
it's great, they help to save us

1101
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,900
when our we've made poor health 
choices and we're in this death 

1102
00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:07,800
spiral these reactive Wellness 
options like statins and other 

1103
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,500
things can can help to pull us 
back. 

1104
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:13,200
Hopefully, But the other thing 
is being proactive making right 

1105
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,300
choices every single day doing 
the things that we need to do 

1106
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:19,000
diet nutrition exercise. 
Supplementation to stay on the 

1107
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,400
far end of the spectrum, so we 
don't get so far down the path. 

1108
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,700
That reactive options. 
Are, you know, are they only 

1109
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:28,400
weigh a hundred percent agree 
man? 

1110
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,400
100% agree. 
Well, I will certainly linked 

1111
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,300
into everything that you 
mentioned in the podcast here. 

1112
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,700
See if I can send some more 
people your way and I'll 

1113
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:38,300
certainly keep following along 
and see what I can learn from 

1114
00:57:38,300 --> 00:57:39,600
other cities are doing going 
forward men. 

1115
00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:41,500
Awesome. 
Thanks Roberts. 

1116
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:43,100
Appreciate it. 
Appreciate the time, brother. 

1117
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:44,700
Take care. 
See ya. 

1118
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:45,300
Bye.