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Well, hello, ladies and gents 
Roberts. 

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Thanks, keto, Savage.com today. 
I've got special guest, Chris. 

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Joseph on the line. 
He is an author as well. 

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Actually met him through our 
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We have the same publishing 
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So I met him through that. 
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by his story. 
As I learned more about him. 

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He is not only survived 
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thriving. 
Post pancreatic cancer. 

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And that is the message that he 
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just survive, but truly Thrive. 
And I think that's a message 

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that anybody would Fit from 
hearing. 

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So we talked about that, we 
talked about his journey through

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his cancer. 
Diagnosis. 

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We talked about his journey 
through, just finding a deeper 

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better, more fulfilling sense of
Health and Wellness. 

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So thoroughly enjoyed the 
conversation. 

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I've got no doubt that you will 
take something from it. 

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So that further Ado, sit back, 
relax. 

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Enjoy the podcast with Chris 
Joseph. 

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And we are laughs Chris. 
How are you sir? 

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Robert? 
I'm good. 

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Thanks for having me on. 
Hey, man. 

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I'm excited to have you on. 
Just to give the listeners a 

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little context here and you. 
And I both used Launchpad 

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publishing to publish our books 
and they're doing like this. 

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I guess like author, you know, 
brainstorm Biz Dev, you know, 

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small group setting, and And we 
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weeks back. 
You've got a book and it kind of

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dives into your, your life story
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overcoming pancreatic cancer. 
Now, thriving, you know, post 

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diagnosis of that. 
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each other. 
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call about some of the some of 
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in the course of your life and 
motivation for that books 

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without the kind of just pull 
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little bit of your story, man. 
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I will I do want to talk at some
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narrative around cancer and 
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diseases instead of talking 
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thriving, but we'll get to that.
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ago, on October 31st, 2016. 
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pancreatic cancer, which was a 
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of the blue. 
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depression which turned out was 
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My, my life was going well. 
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than the cancer. 
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Oh my God, you know, I'm got 
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So anyway, I was diagnosed. 
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launched into complete fear and 
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about it. 
Now, I wasn't laughing back then

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I was hysterically crying and 
upset started. 

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I just listened to my doctor 
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They put me on chemotherapy. 
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Chemotherapy was killing me. 
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I wasn't doing well on it, and 
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My cancer was growing, and so I 
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that would, that was without a 
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As that point. 
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the doctor's orders as well. 
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after I quit and I fired him, 
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few months. 
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I would rather die of cancer 
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That's how miserable I was. 
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And then I'll go back to the 
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The day. 
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the best day because all of a 
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possibilities that I wasn't even
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immunotherapy both. 
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non Western medicine 
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Very cool. 
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There's then I've had several 
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all different types of cancer 
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lifestyle changes, but I'd love 
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I've had on the show that have 
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Is that what seems in the moment
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That just totally It crumbles 
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up being this Catalyst for 
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into the mindset a little bit. 
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you get those, you know, those 
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As a result of that, so I wasn't
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went in for a scan and I took 
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supposed to scams. 
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The Came in the room. 
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mass in your pancreas. 
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He said, talk to your doctor 
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paralyzing paralyzing fear. 
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I was taking care of them, 
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I got diagnosed. 
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around the day. 
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tell them and it was the hardest
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conversation I've ever had 
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devastating news, it's like how 
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And my mind was racing to? 
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tell what am I do about my 
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Because I run a business. 
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paying for my kids college? 
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going a mile a minute and and 
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rationally, it's Panic thinking 
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you're right that the people who
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talk about to. 
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give you an estimated time frame
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prediction as to tell somebody 
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But when you, you know, I Google
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cancer. 
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especially after I got diagnosed
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like, oh my God at characters 
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Hey, look, you know, it's not a 
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wasn't the best in its in you. 
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statistics and you realize, hey,
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Does your mind, go to, you know,
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last year to the fullest or 
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overrun with anxiety, for those 
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behind like your kids? 
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only got A year? 
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going to live this last year to 
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It was it was some young again. 
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for it was Panic, it was just 
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those those things, but it was, 
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going through day-to-day life 
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something that you realize to be
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life and then just totally write
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You know, I'm sure I did. 
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It's, you know, since it's been 
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So when Things start looking up.
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When did you go from feeling 
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anxious to feeling hopeful and 
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was I was misdiagnosed. 
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pancreatic cancer, but the first
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telling Anyone that it's Garden.
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to use because as a patient most
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What does that mean? 
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reasons he wasn't he was a man 
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that, but I think he felt 
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get rid of it, but that I could 
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He didn't say those words, but 
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He projected it turned out after
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because it wasn't working what 
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I went to different doctors 
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turned out. 
I actually have a very rare form

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Patients, have what I have. 
So, What treated did now, answer

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your question. 
What turn it around? 

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Was the day. 
I quit. 

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As I mentioned a quick chemo and
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Oh my God, I have all these 
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rather die of cancer than to 
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The bottom line is I wanted to 
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kids. 
I want to live for my 

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girlfriend. 
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So I'm working II. 
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I mean it's frustrating 
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things about it. 
I that I just Bond and I wanted 

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to continue doing that, I'd 
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I still had that I wanted to do.
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seeking out Alternatives and I 
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Doctors different Alternative 
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know wasn't like I did a deep 
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I found I did I found out what 
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people and I decided to try 
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I didn't know. 
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is I didn't know if it was going
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I mean even sometimes 
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Stuff doesn't work, but I knew 
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path for me. 
And what does that laundry list 

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of alternative methods? 
Look like if you were to kind of

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everything but the kitchen sink 
can treatment, it really is. 

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of 2017 to do a completely 
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lot of IV, drips vitamin C. 
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Some some of it's not legal here
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know, same mistletoe. 
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the holidays, but in Europe, 
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treatment for Ed's here. 
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I mean, I'm not doing anything. 
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I'll tell you what I'm doing 
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to do in addition to Alternative
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immunotherapy, which I'm 
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immunotherapy, whether it's 
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radiation and even surgery, I 
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back 20 years from now, 30 years
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archaic because it doesn't deal 
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body at all. 
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we're going to zap something 
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to poison something with chemo, 
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after you. 
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what I put in my body. 
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helps to keep my body healthy 
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going back. 
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cancer is the Catalyst for 
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lifestyle. 
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off, you know, these diseases. 
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immunotherapy, I'd love to hear.
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what that look like for you, 
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the first I want to What you 
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in terms of what the actual 
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that I would do for a half hour 
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I mean I had to do blood work 
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actual infusion was a half hour 
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for about a year and a half and 
20 late 2017 and I did it 

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another few months of it. 
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the infrared sauna, that's just 
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Yoga obviously is, is what it 
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I do a lot of supplements and I 
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something like that. 
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that have made a platform out of
curing themselves of Sure, and I

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don't listen to them 
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them because they've done it and
now I've done it. 

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I'm not out there trying to make
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I don't mean that in a negative 
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that survived and Thrive from 
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a lot of supplements. 

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I do are known to our know. 
Known in the alternative World 

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anyway to treat cancer and to 
build up the immune system. 

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I don't want to wade into any 
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about covid. 
I mean, we can argue and not you

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and I that people can argue 
about vaccines and all that 

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stuff. 
I've always looked at it. 

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treating our bodies, if we're 
not healthy. 

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We're still going to have bad 
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borne out in people who are 
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picking on them, but it's just a
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population. 
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covid. 
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vaccinated, I think I think 
improving upon your foundation 

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is Paramount regardless of what 
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whether it's cancer or covid? 
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frustrations over the course of 
the past two years as it relates

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to covid is That, you know from 
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trying to be on top of my 
nutrition be on top of my 

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training, be on top of you know,
healthy lifestyle and you know, 

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when I would encourage people to
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Safeguard to improving their 
overall immune Health, which 

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would in turn help them find 
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If they were to get it, many of 
them would push back and say hey

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look that's that's great from a 
lifestyle, long-term standpoint.

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But this is very acute 
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The only thing that is going to 
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but here we are two years in And
I can tell you with utmost 

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certainty that anybody can 
totally transform their health 

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with 180 degree, turn into 
years. 

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I completely ten thousand 
percent, agree with you and we 

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have to be looking at. 
Okay, so we're looks like maybe 

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worth. 
I don't know what the end is for

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covid, but we're finding a way 
to live with it. 

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But what happens for the next 
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getting healthier. 
We're going to go to the same 

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exact thing or Worse. 
Yeah, what are some 

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non-negotiable for, you know, 
like, what are some, some new 

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lifestyle choices that you make,
whether it's the yoga or your 

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food that you like, do not waver
from no matter what? 

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So, the food is interesting 
thing, when I got diagnosed, 

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even when I was still doing 
chemotherapy back, then I 

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started Consulting a lot of 
nutritionists and I got 

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frustrated because II probably 
Dr. Five or six nutritionist. 

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I was getting very different 
advice. 

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Some people were saying, do keto
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Some people are saying don't do 
Peter diet. 

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Some people were saying no red 
meat. 

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Some people are saying no, you 
got to eat, you know, you got to

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eat good, red meat, healthy red 
meat. 

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The only thing I found in common
with all a nutritionist, I 

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talked to was Joni processed 
sugar and processed flour, or at

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least cut it down a lot. 
I mean that was never a big 

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problem for me, but Aye, aye. 
Aye, I listened to that and I 

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definitely lessen the amount of 
sugar that I take him. 

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So that's not negotiable. 
I eat very little red meat. 

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I watch my carb intake, I don't 
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a glass of wine every month or 
something, but I was never a 

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drinker anyway, so that's not a 
problem. 

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It's not like I had to cut that 
out. 

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I don't smoke cigarettes. 
I'm not a recreational drug 

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user. 
I mean, I was back in my 20s 

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where teens and twenties, but 
not now I minimized prescription

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drugs, more possible. 
I'd rather look for 

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Alternatives. 
First. 

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I mean, I definitely think 
there's a place for Western 

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medicine. 
I just think we've gone way 

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overboard and so I'm suspicious 
of it. 

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And when doctors lead with 
writing prescriptions, rather 

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than talk to Me about my life or
my stress, or what? 

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I'm eating or how much I'm 
moving my body. 

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I get very suspicious. 
So I think and the other well, 

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I'm sorry. 
There is one other thing and 

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that is moving my body every 
day. 

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I feel like we'd become a very 
sedentary Society. 

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I mean, it started with someone 
pointing this out to me. 

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I hadn't really thought of it. 
It started where the air 

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conditioning back in the 50s and
60s, more people started, just 

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staying indoors more because it 
was more comfortable. 

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And then we had TV, and then 
when, you know it, Shooters 

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internet phones and we've become
very sedentary and I it's a 

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non-negotiable thing for me that
I move my body a couple hours a 

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day now. 
Yeah, I think you know, I'm all 

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about nutrition. 
I can dive in nutrition all day 

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long with anybody, but I feel 
like the single the single best 

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thing anybody can do to improve.
Their health is just simply 

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being more physically. 
Active that doesn't necessarily 

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equate to going to the gym and 
pumping iron all day long, but 

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just simply moving your body 
more like if there was one 

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single thing that I I would not 
sacrifice if I wanted to improve

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my longevity and lifestyle. 
It would absolutely be that I 

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agree. 
I mean I think even going on a 

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brisk. 
Walk 20 to 30 minute walk every 

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I mean, it doesn't sound like 

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much but it's certainly better 
than doing nothing. 

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So I'm you know, that's another 
thing. 

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I tried to. 
I don't get out to walk every 

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day, but I do try to get 
outside. 

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I mean, that's another thing 
just to get some some natural 

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vitamin D. 
I'm just a breeze, some error 

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rather than Being indoors. 
I mean, to me being indoors is 

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sort of, I've, it's sort of 
poisonous to me. 

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Yeah, I agree. 
I feel like, I don't know. 

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I feel like especially right now
everybody's been cooped up for 

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so long that people have 
forgotten how to interact with 

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one another and just simply 
getting outside. 

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I mean, there's something 
therapeutic about being outside 

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in the environment and I'm the 
woods out underneath the sun. 

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Like there's something to that 
for sure. 

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What about when it comes to Some
of these alternative therapies, 

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like the mistletoe. 
What was the mistletoe supposed 

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to have? 
Never heard of that in my entire

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life? 
Mistletoe is another form of 

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immunotherapy, alternative form 
of immunotherapy and it's an 

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injection when I was doing it at
injection, three days a week, 

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Monday, Wednesday and Friday. 
I've, they taught me how to do 

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it myself. 
It's, you know, you tape. 

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It goes small needle and you get
the the, the fluid inside the, 

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the needle or whatever. 
It's called. 

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I don't know. 
The Neurology and he injected 

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into your abdomen, but it's a 
form of just like I was talking 

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about earlier about 
immunotherapy. 

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It's a way of pumping. 
Your body is immune system up to

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ward off cancer, and I've seen 
it help. 

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You buy me. 
There's books about it. 

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There Johns. 
Hopkins is now doing a clinical 

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trial, but like I said, it's 
been used in Europe for decades 

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and decades. 
It's interesting. 

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At that moment, the dive into 
that for sure. 

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The John Hopkins is put out a 
bunch of studies around the 

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ketogenic diet as it relates to 
preventing and mitigating 

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against cancer, but I can 
totally understand your 

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frustration and speaking to 
several different nutritionist 

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and there being so many varying 
points of view as to what's best

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for nutritional standpoint. 
It makes it tough. 

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I mean and it actually would 
have taught me is that there's 

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no one-size-fits-all or or 
because there is I'm not aware 

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of it. 
I mean eating Ethier is 

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one-size-fits-all moving your 
body. 

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I believe is, you know, everyone
would be better off doing that. 

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But in terms of what the kind of
food we put in our body, I'm not

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sure that there is just one way,
there's probably many ways. 

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The other thing I want to add is
when I was in Germany, doing my 

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alternative stuff back in 2017. 
I was staying in an apartment 

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building and not far from the 
clinic. 

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I was going to and across the 
street was a bakery, apparently 

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was very well-known Bakery and 
Frank. 

452
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:49,100
For Germany and my doctor 
towards end of my stay. 

453
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:51,900
My doctor asked me. 
Have you been to that Bakery? 

454
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:53,300
And I said, no. 
I haven't. 

455
00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:55,000
I just really trying to watch 
what I eat. 

456
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,600
It's just a lot of sugar and I 
just don't think I should do 

457
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,700
that. 
And he looked at me and he said,

458
00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:02,100
look, I applaud you for wanting 
to eat healthier. 

459
00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:06,100
You do need to eat healthier, 
that will help your journey, but

460
00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:08,800
once in a great while, you know,
whether it's once every couple 

461
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,000
months or whatever. you can 
treat yourself because treating 

462
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,500
yourself is also part of life, 
and that taught me something as 

463
00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:19,900
well, that what it taught me 
was, I didn't have to be 

464
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:24,000
Perfect. 
I didn't have to be perfect. 

465
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,200
And that actually, let the air 
out of the tire. 

466
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:30,000
Let the pressure whatever it's 
called. 

467
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,800
I'm not using the right Burbage 
right now, but I, I put so much 

468
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,900
pressure on myself, but I had to
do it, right. 

469
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,000
I still put a lot of pressure on
myself to do it, right? 

470
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,100
But with the caveat, I'm going 
to slip once in a while because 

471
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:46,800
I'm human. 
Yeah, I think I think we should 

472
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:53,000
always strive to be optimal but 
also Realize and recognize and 

473
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,100
how have enough self-awareness 
to know that will never be 

474
00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:59,000
perfect. 
And I think if you are always 

475
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,300
striving to be optimal but doing
so in a way that is sustainable 

476
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:07,100
for you and not conducive to so 
much stress that it becomes a 

477
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:09,500
negative stress as opposed to a 
positive stress. 

478
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:11,900
And that, that that line is 
going to be different for 

479
00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:15,300
everybody based off of their 
life experiences and you know 

480
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:17,500
what their can tolerate. 
But yeah, you don't ever want to

481
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:22,100
be so dialed in to be perfect 
and optimized that it Results in

482
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:25,800
such a massive increase in 
stress and that everything else 

483
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,300
becomes hindered. 
And I need to take my own advice

484
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:31,200
on that because I'm cat too much
stress as it is, right? 

485
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,300
All right. 
Yep. 

486
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:35,100
No, it's definitely a relief to 
know you don't have to be 

487
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:40,100
perfect. 
But I mean part of also being 

488
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:44,200
better in part of me for the 
healing Journey, now is to talk 

489
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,700
to people like you. 
I mean, you have things that 

490
00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:51,100
you've done in your life and you
have a platform now. 

491
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,600
I don't know if we're going to 
do in this podcast, but I'd love

492
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,800
to learn more. 
What you have learned about 

493
00:26:56,300 --> 00:27:00,200
cancer and the keto diet. 
Yeah, and we'll just from, I 

494
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600
mean, I don't have cancer. 
I don't know too many people 

495
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:03,900
that have it. 
Personally. 

496
00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:06,800
I've had some guest on the 
podcast but as it relates to the

497
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,900
ketogenic diet there seems to be
a pretty growing body of 

498
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,000
literature and research that 
suggests that keeping blood 

499
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,700
sugar's stable, keeping blood 
ketones, circulating at a higher

500
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:22,300
rate, because ketones can also 
cross the Brain barrier and fuel

501
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:24,900
the brain synapses that are 
required for, you know, 

502
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:28,900
functioning as a human species. 
So optimizing from a ketogenic 

503
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:31,800
standpoint seems to have a 
pretty positive neurological 

504
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,800
impact. 
And then also there's been I 

505
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,800
think it's pretty dependent upon
the type of cancer. 

506
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,900
But like dr. 
Dominic D'Agostino, he's done a 

507
00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:42,700
lot of work on Galia. 
Best bless them, a brain cancer.

508
00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:48,000
And that seems to be starved for
lack of a better word in the 

509
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,100
absence of too much sugar and 
glucose. 

510
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:53,500
So if You remove a lot of that 
from the diet. 

511
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:57,000
Basically, again, this is 
totally outside my wheelhouse. 

512
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,900
I'm not a doctor but the 
mitochondria of the cancer cells

513
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:04,300
can't seem to function in fuel 
themselves in the absence of 

514
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,600
sugar. 
Whereas other cells in the body 

515
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,400
can. 
So if you remove that Sugar, 

516
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,100
you're basically starving the 
cancer of what its primary fuel 

517
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:15,700
source is whereas you're not 
starving the rest of your body. 

518
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:21,500
So a lot of cancer patients seem
to perform better and Some of 

519
00:28:21,508 --> 00:28:23,600
the adverse effects of cancer 
and cancer treatment. 

520
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,900
If they're adopting a ketogenic 
diet and lifestyle. 

521
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,700
I think that's great. 
I mean, that sounds right to me,

522
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,300
as I said, I am not on a keto 
diet, but I watch what I eat in 

523
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:37,400
terms of carbs. 
I definitely watch what I eat 

524
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,600
with regard to sugar, processed 
flour, and all that. 

525
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,000
Because I, I'm just not 
disciplined enough to keto diet.

526
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,700
I'll be honest with you and I 
don't cook, which is a problem 

527
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:57,000
and I live by myself. 
So that made keto unrealistic 

528
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,200
for me, but I do think I follow 
some of the principles of Quito.

529
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,500
And some of the people that I 
follow some of the people in the

530
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,800
alternative cancer world are 
definitely into the keto diet 

531
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,500
for treating cancer. 
They're absolutely into it, 

532
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,700
believe it, and they've showed 
that it has really good results.

533
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:17,200
Yeah. 
I can I can send you some some 

534
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,400
research. 
One of the conference's 

535
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,800
metabolic Health Summit which 
hosts a conference Once I 

536
00:29:21,808 --> 00:29:26,100
believe they've got it in me 
this year they have like that's 

537
00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:28,600
one of the conference's that 
really highlights Quito from a 

538
00:29:28,608 --> 00:29:31,000
neurological standpoint and also
from a cancer prevention 

539
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,900
standpoint and every single year
like last year. 

540
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:38,100
They had, I guess 2020. 
They had a basically a book that

541
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:41,000
kind of took a lot of the 
research that was presented that

542
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,600
year and formatted into Italy 
book. 

543
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,500
I can send you that. 
That's got some pretty 

544
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:48,900
interesting articles in there. 
But I think you know anything 

545
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:53,200
from a more holistic. 
Approach with regard to 

546
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,600
mitigating these adverse effects
of cancer. 

547
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,100
And other diseases is definitely
the direction that I would 

548
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:02,900
Advocate people take as opposed 
to just simply looking for, you 

549
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:06,100
know, a drug or some type of 
conventional medicine, Cure. 

550
00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:09,700
All That is not really fixing 
the underlying root issue. 

551
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,200
And if you can improve your 
lifestyle design or nutrition as

552
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,000
the underlying, you know, fix 
that would always bowed better 

553
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,500
in my opinion. 
Yep. 

554
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,300
I totally agree. 
I mean, I Again, I'm not trying 

555
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:25,900
to harp on doctors. 
I think they try and there's so 

556
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:28,500
many good ones out there. 
There's also some that are not 

557
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:31,600
very good. 
But what I do want to comment on

558
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,200
is that they're not really 
trained very much in nutrition. 

559
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:37,100
I mean, I think at most to get a
couple weeks in medical school 

560
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:39,300
and they'll admit that it to 
they all say they have very 

561
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:41,300
minimal education from a 
nutritional standpoint. 

562
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:42,400
Right? 
Right. 

563
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:48,200
And they practice medicine and 
we should take that literally. 

564
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,700
They practice medicine. 
They lead with Drugs. 

565
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:53,500
Most of the time. 
I mean, I'm not talking about 

566
00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:56,600
orthopedic doctors and the like,
and I'm also not talking about 

567
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,900
emergency medicine, which I 
think Western medicine does 

568
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:04,600
really a great job of. 
But when it comes to treating 

569
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,300
chronic disease, I don't think 
Western medicine does a very big

570
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:10,600
job. 
Yeah. 

571
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:13,000
Yeah, I would have to agree with
you on that. 

572
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,300
And I mean, like you said, I 
don't want to cast doctors and 

573
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:20,900
modern medicine and conventional
medical practices in a negative 

574
00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:22,600
light. 
Because like, if I'm out working

575
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,400
outside, I chop my leg off with 
a chainsaw. 

576
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,900
I want to have your night in 
medicine that we do, but at the 

577
00:31:27,900 --> 00:31:31,000
same time, I think, you know, if
we fixed more of these 

578
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,900
underlying root issue, whether 
that be nutrition or activity, 

579
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:37,400
or you know, stress levels would
probably see a massive reduction

580
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,700
in these chronic diseases and 
illnesses to begin with. 

581
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:47,200
So, there's also the problem of,
with the term of What's Done in 

582
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,600
reality called standard of care.
I'm guessing you've run into 

583
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,200
that or no. 
Bout that I ran into it. 

584
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,900
I certainly ran into it in my 
cancer Journey. 

585
00:31:55,900 --> 00:32:01,100
That doctors had to do 
chemotherapy first because 

586
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:04,000
otherwise I don't get reimbursed
by the insurance companies and I

587
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,700
don't get, I can't get it. 
Covered by my insurance company.

588
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:10,900
So insurance companies are 
dictating standard of care. 

589
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:15,400
I ran into it many years ago. 
My numbers. 

590
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:17,700
I have a pretty good heart, I 
think, but my numbers were a 

591
00:32:17,708 --> 00:32:21,000
little off and my regular doctor
said I should go see it. 

592
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Geologist Karl just ran a bunch 
of tests. 

593
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,900
I pass all of them except one 
and she prescribe statins. 

594
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:29,900
And I didn't want to take 
statins because as I mentioned 

595
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:32,700
earlier, I don't really like 
doing even prescription drugs. 

596
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:35,800
I went back to my regular doctor
and said, why did she put me on 

597
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,800
statins? 
If my numbers are all really 

598
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,500
pretty good. 
And she said my regular doctor 

599
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:45,800
said, because she had to if she 
doesn't prescribe statins and 

600
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,600
you want him dying of a heart 
attack. 

601
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,900
She could be sued. 
So, Our medical system is so 

602
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:54,600
screwy. 
I mean, insurance companies 

603
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,100
dictated litigation, dictates it
and it to me, it's really gone 

604
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:01,400
way way off course. 
Yeah. 

605
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,700
I totally agree. 
I don't know what the solution 

606
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:05,500
to that would be. 
I mean, I again, I'm not a 

607
00:33:05,508 --> 00:33:07,900
doctor and I don't want to play 
on the in and I don't know that 

608
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:11,500
world as well as many others. 
So I don't know what they're 

609
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:14,900
required by law to do. 
But I feel like the, as it 

610
00:33:14,908 --> 00:33:17,600
relates to the insurance 
companies and the standard of 

611
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,800
care people are often incentive 
eye, doctors office. 

612
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,400
Devised in a way that is not in 
the best interests interest of 

613
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,900
the patient from a underlying 
fix standpoint. 

614
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,100
Right? 
So like when with regard to 

615
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:32,500
cholesterol numbers for 
instance, and there's been a lot

616
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:35,400
of people within the ketogenic 
space from a letter that are 

617
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,300
doctors and they speak out about
just automatically prescribing a

618
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:42,100
Statin but instead looking at 
how they can improve their 

619
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:44,900
nutrition because a lot of the 
cholesterol numbers are pretty 

620
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:48,700
screwed to like I can depending 
on what I eat the night before I

621
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:50,800
go get my lipid panel done, 
that's going to massively. 

622
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:52,600
We dictate what those numbers 
look like. 

623
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,400
So a lot of it is is in a state 
of flux and if the, you know, 

624
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,400
I've had several clients that I 
work with on nutrition, they'll 

625
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,200
have a slightly elevated 
cholesterol panel and they'll 

626
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,500
go, and they'll automatically be
be prescribed a Statin, but the 

627
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:08,699
doctor won't inquire about their
nutrition at all about their 

628
00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:11,600
lifestyle. 
And just a few simple fixes from

629
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,100
a nutritional standpoint off and
get those numbers to where the 

630
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:17,400
doctor would want to see them. 
But these, you know, clients in 

631
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,800
mind that just automatically go 
in, they get prescribed a 

632
00:34:19,808 --> 00:34:22,699
Statin, it's a Of a confusing 
place to be in. 

633
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:26,699
Indeed, it is. 
And there's also like, with all 

634
00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:31,600
drugs, there are potential side 
effects and statins. 

635
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,900
I mean, you know, I'm going to 
Echo your words. 

636
00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:37,000
I'm not a doctor. 
I'm not a clinical researcher, 

637
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,300
but, you know, you can go online
and see that there are studies 

638
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:44,199
that show that statins. 
Just as one example can, call 

639
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,699
can cause memory loss long term 
memory loss. 

640
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,100
Now, that may be a small 
percentage of people, but you 

641
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:52,800
don't know, because Has your 
sort of a guinea pig, right? 

642
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,699
So we're all sort of rolling are
nice, but we're not there just 

643
00:34:56,699 --> 00:34:59,100
to get back to the main point. 
We're not rolling the dice when 

644
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:02,300
it comes to getting help here. 
We know that helps. 

645
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:04,600
Yeah, it may not, it may not 
cure cancer. 

646
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,600
It may not cure heart disease, 
but it's going to click, put 

647
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,500
your body in better shape to 
hopefully withstand those 

648
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:15,300
diseases. 
Yeah, I think you know, there 

649
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:17,700
may absolutely be a place for 
statins or me. 

650
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:20,800
Absolutely be a place for all 
these conventional medicine. 

651
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Inventions, but when the patient
puts those in higher priority 

652
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,000
for fixing a chronic disease or 
illness over their lifestyle 

653
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,100
choices that that's when there 
is a problem and I feel like you

654
00:35:34,107 --> 00:35:36,600
know that I may then today no 
one's going to care as much 

655
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,000
about your health as you are and
you can't trust your doctor to 

656
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,700
care as much about your health 
as you do. 

657
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,100
So trying to get those 
underlying issues fixed and just

658
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:47,300
simply improve your baseline 
from, you know health and 

659
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:49,800
wellness standpoint should 
absolutely be your main 

660
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,800
perogative. 
I think so. 

661
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,400
Yeah, absolutely. 
I think so. 

662
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:58,700
I'd love to dive into your 
motivation for the book. 

663
00:35:58,700 --> 00:36:01,500
So, so real quick. 
What is the name of the book? 

664
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:04,100
So the book is called life is a 
ride. 

665
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:07,100
My unconventional journey of 
cancer recovery. 

666
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,400
You can find it or any listeners
of this confounded both in 

667
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,800
paperback or if you want like an
e-book Edition any bookstore 

668
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,400
Amazon Barnes & Noble. 
Local book stores won't carry it

669
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,300
in person. 
We'll have it on their online 

670
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,900
websites and your motivation for
writing this book, stemmed from 

671
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:30,000
you beating cancer. 
And then also thriving as a 

672
00:36:30,008 --> 00:36:35,700
result of. 
Right, so I surviving and 

673
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:37,900
thriving from this sort of this 
kind of cancer. 

674
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:42,400
So rare probably two or three 
years into my journey around. 

675
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,100
Maybe 2018, 2019. 
I started getting lots of calls 

676
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:48,300
and emails from people. 
Good. 

677
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:50,800
I had written a Blog early on 
when I got diagnosed. 

678
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:54,600
Even when things weren't going 
well and I it wasn't a secret of

679
00:36:54,607 --> 00:36:59,300
what I was going through. 
So when I started doing well, 

680
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:02,700
after I change course, people 
wanted to know what I did. 

681
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:03,800
I mean the same kind of 
questions. 

682
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,800
You were asking me at the 
beginning of the podcast. 

683
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,600
What do you do? 
And so I would tell them and I 

684
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,000
was talking to and I still talk 
to maybe one family, one cancer 

685
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,200
patient or one, you know, friend
of a cancer patient, at least 

686
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,400
once a week twice a week even 
now. 

687
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:20,800
But I realized this is a good 
story. 

688
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,300
Morning, and and I didn't. 
So I wrote the book got 

689
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:27,600
published in 2020 about a year 
and a half ago. 

690
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:32,300
I didn't write it to make money.
I mean it's done reasonably well

691
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:35,500
for an independent book and I'm 
happy about that because I have 

692
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:42,800
an ego and I want people to read
it, but I did not write it for 

693
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,900
the money. 
I wrote it because well actually

694
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:48,100
I wrote it because I wanted my 
kids to know everything that had

695
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,300
gone through. 
I mean, my kids are 19 and 17 

696
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:52,700
now. 
By the way, it turns out my kids

697
00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:56,300
haven't read. 
It has not yet me because they 

698
00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:59,000
told me, we lived it with you. 
We don't need to read it and 

699
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,200
they're right. 
They'll read it at some point, 

700
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,500
but they haven't read it yet. 
But but I wrote it because and 

701
00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:08,300
it took me, I wasn't even sure. 
I knew this until I started 

702
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:12,700
writing that my story provides 
hope to others. 

703
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,400
So when I talk to people even 
now, but even when I started 

704
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,200
talking to people three or four 
years ago, I never I give I give

705
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,900
non medical advice, very 
careful. 

706
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:29,300
Just like you are, you know, I 
talk about lifestyle diet. 

707
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,500
We're moving my body, all that 
questioning doctors taking 

708
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:38,200
charge your health, but I never,
I never give medical advice. 

709
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,900
I never said, don't do 
chemotherapy or I want to say 

710
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:47,100
that sometimes but I don't, but 
I realized I was providing hope.

711
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:50,800
And hope is a big deal on the 
cancer when you have cancer. 

712
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:55,300
I didn't have hope when I first 
started, when I started talking 

713
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:57,800
to other people who had been 
through it and it would gotten 

714
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:01,400
through it and who would survive
and thrive that meant a lot to 

715
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,700
me. 
And so I realized I could pay it

716
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:10,000
forward by writing the book. 
One other thing that as much as 

717
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,900
I want to sell as many books as 
possible. 

718
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:16,600
I if people email me, I'll send 
them a PDF of the book. 

719
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,300
My email address is Chris Joseph
of mac.com just like, Sounds 

720
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:27,100
Chris Joseph of Mac like the 
computer.com and I've given away

721
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:29,400
many. 
I've given away many hard copies

722
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:35,200
to but I don't know a couple of 
hundred PDFs of the of the book.

723
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,400
I just want people to read it. 
I don't care about the financial

724
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,600
aspect of it. 
I think there's a lot to be said

725
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,100
for having hope with anything. 
Especially something is, as, you

726
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:50,000
know, insurmountable as a 
diagnosis that you think could 

727
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000
lead to. 
Your demise in a year, I mean, 

728
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,200
when you have been given that 
news to have something to grasp,

729
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,200
hold of and have hope has got to
be able to breathe life into 

730
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,500
your desire and will to find a 
way to add more years to that 

731
00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:07,400
life and quality years at that. 
So I think, you know, haven't 

732
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,800
hoping a situation like that is 
Paramount I think so and I will 

733
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,900
tell you that I because I've 
been there, I do believe it's 

734
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:20,500
really, really hard for people 
as it was for me early on to 

735
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:28,200
Very from, from the advice that 
your doctor gives you, because 

736
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,400
we want to believe that the 
doctors know, and of course, 

737
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,600
generally they do, but in 
life-threatening situations for,

738
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,100
for chronic illnesses, they 
don't always know. 

739
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:42,300
So, I've talked I'd the reason I
bring that up is, I've talked to

740
00:40:42,308 --> 00:40:46,200
people who have continued on 
their own path of listen to 

741
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,700
their doctor, and they didn't do
well, some have actually done 

742
00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:52,400
fine less than their doctor. 
It's All over the map, but 

743
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,600
that's why that's another reason
why I just don't want to get in 

744
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,400
the business of giving medical 
advice, people are going to do 

745
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,500
what they're going to do. 
But the Hope thing. 

746
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:03,900
Yeah, I can do that. 
I can provide that. 

747
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:07,100
Well, I don't know, too many 
people personally have gone 

748
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:11,500
through chemo, a few, but it 
seems as though when if they 

749
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:14,800
don't have hope from something 
outside of the conventional 

750
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:20,100
medical realm. 
And what they do see is chemo as

751
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:23,500
like they're only Alternative 
and they do that and then they 

752
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:29,100
start feeling very poorly. 
I mean that's it's harder to see

753
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:30,800
a light at the end of the tunnel
if that's your reality. 

754
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,700
I would imagine. 
I think so. 

755
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:36,100
I mean and it's also, you know, 
Karen counterintuitive. 

756
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:39,100
I mean when you're doing chemo, 
I think this is true for many 

757
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:40,500
people. 
It was true for me. 

758
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,600
You're tired all the time 
nauseous. 

759
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,500
You don't feel coffee. 
We lost her confidence. 

760
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:50,300
Hair's falling out. 
You can't really move your body 

761
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:53,400
because your show So tired and 
so you're becoming more stagnant

762
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:57,100
and so it sort of does the 
opposite of what really is 

763
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,500
really healthy for your body, 
which is what we talked about 

764
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:04,500
earlier, eating right, getting 
good nutrition and and burning 

765
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:06,500
some calories, getting some 
fresh air. 

766
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,900
You know, chemo does what it 
does, it poisons, cancers 

767
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:14,800
yelled. 
Unfortunately, it also poisons. 

768
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,400
Good cells to. 
Yeah. 

769
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,700
Did you find that writing just 
like the act of writing was? 

770
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:26,800
An outlet for you to, Simply get
your thoughts out on paper, and 

771
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,500
then was that kind of 
therapeutic in a sense. 

772
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,000
It was, I mean, as I said, I had
written a Blog. 

773
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,700
So I had probably 25% of the 
book came from the blog's. 

774
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:37,800
I had written. 
I mean I had to change the 

775
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,200
narrative and tenses and all 
that stuff. 

776
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,900
But I had a basis from which to 
think like a jumping off point, 

777
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,300
but I started writing the book 
in March a 20/20, right? 

778
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:51,900
When the pandemic hit full bore 
and I Went up to Mammoth Lakes 

779
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:55,700
here in California. 
And this year's and I brought my

780
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:57,600
computer and was up there for a 
week. 

781
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,200
And I was just riding every day.
I joined Anna, David's writing 

782
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,200
group the publisher of your book
of my book and and I was writing

783
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,700
an hour every day, but I wrote 
the book in three months. 

784
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:13,000
I wrote a really really quickly 
because I was absolutely 

785
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,800
determined to write it. 
I knew the story because I had 

786
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,900
lived it and I it was 
therapeutic. 

787
00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:22,300
I took a long time, to answer 
your question. 

788
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:25,400
I apologize for that. 
But it but it was therapeutic 

789
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:30,900
and it was it continues to be 
therapeutic because I'm ever 

790
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:34,200
since it was published in summer
of twenty twenty. 

791
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,400
I've done a lot of podcasts on 
the interviews. 

792
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,100
I've been able to get the word 
out. 

793
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,700
I'm starting my own podcast. 
Hopefully, by March to 

794
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,700
interview, people who have 
thrived, not just survive, but 

795
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:49,800
Thrive from not only illnesses 
but have For come other things, 

796
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:53,100
other obstacles in life. 
All that is therapeutic. 

797
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:57,200
And it's, you know, just as you 
know, I knew I could provide 

798
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,400
hope for other people talking to
people. 

799
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:05,000
Gives it feeds me. 
I mean it really, you know, I'm 

800
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,300
getting a lot out of a 2-0. 
So I know that may sound a 

801
00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:12,500
little selfish but it helps me 
to to see what other people have

802
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:16,500
done to improve their lives. 
When you were writing your, you 

803
00:44:16,508 --> 00:44:19,200
were writing before. 
Before this, the rannoch. 

804
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,400
I was, I was perusing on your 
link tree and you had a few blog

805
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,300
posts where those written 
recently as well. 

806
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:30,200
Over those long before I had 
actually never published 

807
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,600
anything. 
Rosie called publishing a blog 

808
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,200
publishing, but until I started 
publishing blogs back in late 

809
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,200
2016. 
I had, I really had never done 

810
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,700
anything other than I wrote a 
couple of pieces for the Los 

811
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:45,500
Angeles Times, which is that 
maybe one of the things you saw 

812
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,300
that was back in 1993. 
I think I wrote about a blues 

813
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:52,700
musician. 
I read the blood of bounce, your

814
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,300
intentions, for Holmberg. 
Not my wife, and I are doing a 

815
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:56,600
home birth. 
So I read that one. 

816
00:44:57,100 --> 00:45:01,500
Oh, I wrote that a few months 
ago, but the incident it's 

817
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:04,500
occurred in 2002 when my first 
son was born. 

818
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,100
So, you know, it's easy. 
I don't know how people write 

819
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:13,500
fiction and just make up 
dialogue and stories, all that. 

820
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:18,700
I don't know how people do that 
for Memoir, and, and blogging. 

821
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:20,300
I mean, we're writing about our 
lives. 

822
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:22,200
So to me that seems a bit 
easier. 

823
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,500
You write what, you know, I mean
that truly is writing what, you 

824
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:29,200
know, yeah. 
Yeah. 

825
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:34,300
It's been a like this. 
My first legitimate book and 

826
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:36,400
that's kind of why I love. 
I love it. 

827
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,000
But I hated the same time like 
it's just it's I don't know like

828
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,000
it's a good thing. 
I'm glad that I've done it for 

829
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,000
sure but it's writing is not my 
natural for tight like 

830
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,700
podcasting. 
I like podcasting fuck. 

831
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:53,400
This is a much more organic 
natural medium for me than to, 

832
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,700
right. 
But at the same time I think 

833
00:45:55,700 --> 00:46:00,100
being able to write and be able 
to take the thoughts that are in

834
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:02,500
your head and put them on. 
Paper in a way that people can 

835
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:05,700
understand them with as little 
clutter and disorganization is 

836
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:08,700
possible, is an incredibly 
valuable skill set that fewer 

837
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:13,300
and fewer people are obtaining 
and applying on a day-to-day 

838
00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:15,900
basis. 
I think that's a great Point. 

839
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:17,000
Yeah. 
I like that. 

840
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,900
I hadn't really thought of it 
that way. 

841
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,200
I think writing absolutely not. 
The first person to say this 

842
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,900
writing can be very lonely. 
And sometimes it was for me, 

843
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:31,200
although writing in a writing 
group. 

844
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,700
Of. 
But what was even lonelier than 

845
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,400
the times I would feel lonely 
writing is a journey with a, 

846
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,300
what could be a fatal disease. 
That's really lonely. 

847
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:49,000
So writing about it actually 
seemed sort of therapeutic being

848
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,400
able to put my words down on 
paper and knowing I was going to

849
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,100
share them with whoever wanted 
to read them. 

850
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:58,200
That that felt liberating. 
Yeah, liberating with you. 

851
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:03,000
Having gone through this and In 
the perspective that you have, 

852
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:06,200
are there things that you see 
people doing just in the 

853
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,900
day-to-day where each one like 
shake them and say, hey, look 

854
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:12,800
knucklehead, you know, do this 
instead life's life's short like

855
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,500
like, what does that ever happen
to you? 

856
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,500
Every day? 
I'm laughing because I actually 

857
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:23,900
had to taper off my social media
usage just because I would get 

858
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:27,600
so frustrated seeing what people
do? 

859
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,100
I mean, and, you know, what we 
talked about earlier covid is 

860
00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:34,800
just one example, I mean, We 
spend all this energy fighting 

861
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,400
about vaccines and mandates and 
Bob Lon. 

862
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:43,000
Yeah, you know, the real secret 
for long term health is what we 

863
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,000
talked about earlier. 
And and so, yeah, I it does, it 

864
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,700
does make me want to shake 
people. 

865
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:54,000
Sometimes it's very frustrating.
I get very frustrated when 

866
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,100
people. 
Again, this came up during the 

867
00:47:56,100 --> 00:48:03,200
covid period covid abate. 
People would say, oh, you just 

868
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:09,700
got to listen to your doctor. 
And I am here to tell you that 

869
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:12,800
listening to your doctor is not 
always a good thing because it 

870
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,000
almost killed me. 
So yeah, listen to your doctors 

871
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,600
would be skeptical of them at 
the same time, you can do both. 

872
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,000
So I do get frustrated. 
I'm not sure that frustration 

873
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,300
itself is healthy, but I haven't
found a better way. 

874
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:30,700
If you have a better way, let me
know, please. 

875
00:48:31,300 --> 00:48:34,800
No, I don't have a better way, 
but I have noticed I have become

876
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,000
acutely aware, especially over 
the past two years, honestly, 

877
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,600
because I've I've seen an 
opportunity squandered. 

878
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,700
I feel like these past two years
could have been an amazing 

879
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:49,400
opportunity for people to 
recognize the importance of 

880
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,000
improving their health. 
But then also recognize the 

881
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,900
importance of rallying together 
behind a soul cause that affects

882
00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:02,100
such a broad group of people. 
And instead of, of both of those

883
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:04,700
opportunities being leveraged. 
You've seen the exact opposite, 

884
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:06,900
take place. 
You've seen people become more 

885
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:10,300
unhealthy, more depressed, lean 
on their devices. 

886
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:13,300
Even more and you've seen more 
division amongst people with 

887
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:18,500
varying, you know, viewpoints 
and so my frustration stems from

888
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:20,900
just a squandered opportunity 
more than anything. 

889
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:24,700
Yeah, yeah, I could not agree 
more. 

890
00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:28,100
I mean, I've gotten hammered a 
couple times on social media 

891
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:33,700
because I bring up this issue 
about obesity and it's like you 

892
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:38,500
can't even talk about it. 
Bill Maher, who has a much 

893
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:41,600
larger platform than I do. 
Talks about it on his show a 

894
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,400
lot. 
It's such a killer literally, a 

895
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:53,000
killer of people in this country
and we are Q's people who talk 

896
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,100
about it are cues of shaming 
people who are overweight, which

897
00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:57,400
couldn't be further from the 
truth. 

898
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:02,600
I mean, if I was calling John 
Smith, a fat person to his face,

899
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,800
that would be shaming, but but I
don't do that and I wouldn't do 

900
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,300
that but to talk about the 
problem in this country and what

901
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:13,300
a huge problem it is, that's not
shaming. 

902
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:16,100
That just trying to Big a 
problem shine as much light as 

903
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:18,300
possible on the problem. 
Yeah. 

904
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:21,800
I mean, I don't know, like I 
don't want to be fat shaming. 

905
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,000
Anybody either by the same time,
like, if me personally, if I was

906
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,900
doing something that was just 
blatantly wrong, whether that 

907
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:34,100
was, you know, an addiction that
was unhealthy drinking too much 

908
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:37,500
gambling, or anything that I 
would want to people close to me

909
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:40,000
to call me out on it, so that I 
could have. 

910
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:42,600
So I can get outside my own 
bubble of thought and Echo 

911
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,200
chamber and have somebody. 
Give me a voice of reason. 

912
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,500
So there's a dichotomy that 
exists between doing something 

913
00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:51,900
with the intention of hurting 
someone versus help. 

914
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:54,400
Someone and I feel like if we're
doing things with the right 

915
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,600
intention, I mean, sometimes 
that hard news is the most 

916
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,500
important news to Bear. 
Yeah. 

917
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,800
Yeah, I mean, think about, I 
mean, we've been bombarded on 

918
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,200
cable news or newspapers or 
whatever. 

919
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:13,200
We've been bombarded with public
health, experts and public 

920
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,300
health, experts who have a 
platform. 

921
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:22,600
Rarely rarely talked about the 
importance of eating healthy. 

922
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,200
Moving your body getting 
outside. 

923
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,500
They rarely do it. 
And so to me, they're not even 

924
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:31,300
Public Health experts. 
They may be epidemiologists and 

925
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:35,400
maybe vaccinologist whatever but
they're not getting at the heart

926
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,100
of what we really need to 
address. 

927
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,600
We're going to get through the 
pandemic, as bumpy as we did. 

928
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:43,800
We still have a huge, huge 
problem on our hands. 

929
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:45,600
Yeah. 
Well, there's so much, I mean, 

930
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,600
when it comes to nutrition, Can 
we kind of alluded to this 

931
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,400
earlier? 
There's so much division around 

932
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:50,900
it. 
It's hard for people to have a 

933
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:53,200
hard-nosed stances to what is 
healthy. 

934
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,300
I mean, you know, you would 
think healthy food is simply 

935
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:59,400
healthy food, but, you know ask 
a vegan what healthy food is 

936
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,800
that answers going to look much 
different than if you ask a 

937
00:52:01,808 --> 00:52:05,200
corner for what healthy food is 
I think hope. 

938
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,900
But I mean, even believe it or 
not, you guys some people and 

939
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:11,500
they'll tell you, hey, look, 
there is no good food versus bad

940
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:12,800
food. 
It's all just food. 

941
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,900
You can't demonize sugars and 
carbohydrates. 

942
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:16,800
Like, there is definitely a 
group of people that say, That 

943
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,400
too. 
So for me, it's always just like

944
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,200
let's just simplify things and 
remove all the or at least 

945
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,700
minimize all the heavily 
processed foods with a bunch of 

946
00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:31,500
added crap ingredients in there 
that are not natural and then 

947
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:34,300
make sure you're getting enough 
healthy fats, enough healthy 

948
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:36,700
proteins, from a biological 
standpoint. 

949
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:38,600
There is not an essential 
carbohydrate out there. 

950
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,200
So you don't have to consume 
carbohydrates. 

951
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,300
So that of all the macro 
nutrients, that's probably the 

952
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:45,500
one that you want to limit the 
most but that's not to say that 

953
00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:48,100
you can't have them. 
Just have them in a way. 

954
00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:53,000
That is healthy. 
Yep, I would second that 

955
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,900
completely. 
And I also think, I mean, 

956
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:57,100
there's there's obviously a big 
problem in this country that 

957
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,700
healthier food. 
Sometimes can't isn't as 

958
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:03,400
affordable. 
I mean, you know, where I live 

959
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,700
here in Santa Monica. 
I mean, we're bombarded with 

960
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:10,500
Whole Foods and other high-end 
health food stores, and they're 

961
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:13,000
very expensive. 
And so I totally understand how 

962
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,600
people can't really afford. 
Sometimes. 

963
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,400
They can't afford healthy food, 
healthy. 

964
00:53:16,500 --> 00:53:20,400
Our food. 
But that being said, no one 

965
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,000
forces anyone to drink a 
Coca-Cola, no one. 

966
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:26,500
And we know that's bad for you. 
We know with all the, you know, 

967
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:27,900
it's just loaded with, you know,
what? 

968
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:31,600
I don't even know. 60 grams of 
sugar can or some outrageous 

969
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:36,800
number. 
No, one forces people to smoke 

970
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,500
cigarettes to drink. 
No one forces people to eat 

971
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:41,300
fried foods. 
I mean, so there are things we 

972
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:45,700
can do even if we can't afford 
healthier food. 

973
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,000
Yeah. 
In green. 

974
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,500
I mean, I see it a lot within 
the nutrition space it with in 

975
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:53,400
Quito as well because there's 
certainly expensive food options

976
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,800
out there. 
I don't want that to be a 

977
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,600
limiting factor. 
The point where people feel they

978
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,700
can't make any progress, but 
just simply do the best you can 

979
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:02,400
with what you can afford and 
that will put you in a much 

980
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,700
better Direction than, you know,
paying no attention towards any 

981
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:09,600
of it. 
The other not to were being 

982
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,100
asked for advice right now, but 
but I also think turning off the

983
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:16,500
TV turning off the news in 
progress. 

984
00:54:16,508 --> 00:54:19,700
In particular to me, that's his 
poisonous. 

985
00:54:19,700 --> 00:54:20,300
What? 
I don't care. 

986
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:23,600
What side of the fence. 
You're on whether it's Fox MSNBC

987
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,300
CNN to me. 
They're all poison. 

988
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,700
They're all poison. 
I mean, it's not even news and 

989
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:32,100
it just agitate you, you know, 
what agitates people, which as 

990
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:36,000
you mentioned earlier, can lead 
to stress and stress can lead to

991
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,800
unhealthy outcomes. 
Yeah, one of my probably one of 

992
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,500
my most prominent quote-unquote 
life hacks is that I have never 

993
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:46,400
owned a TV. 
My entire life don't really see.

994
00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:50,400
Reason to now and I do not watch
the news. 

995
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:57,000
You're a better human for it. 
Yeah, II don't take it that far.

996
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,700
I sometimes wish I would but I 
think that's great. 

997
00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:04,800
I admire you for that. 
My Achilles heel is social media

998
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,900
because I use it and leverage it
for the business and it's easy 

999
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:11,100
to get kind of stuck down a 
rabbit hole within social media 

1000
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:12,800
because there is news on social 
media. 

1001
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,000
So haven't got it figured out 
perfectly, but I definitely 

1002
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,000
think not The TV, especially not
having just constantly running 

1003
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,900
is a huge step in the right 
direction. 

1004
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:26,100
Yeah, and also, hopefully, I'm 
sure for for you, it's true, but

1005
00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:29,200
for other people, it gives you 
more hours of the day where you 

1006
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,800
can be outside, or do a 
20-minute walk or whatever. 

1007
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:33,800
Absolutely. 
Absolutely. 

1008
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:35,400
Well. 
What's got you excited now, 

1009
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,100
what's in the pipeline for you? 
What's coming? 

1010
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:38,900
What's what are you going to do 
with this next chapter of 

1011
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:44,400
thriving in your life, you know,
I think about writing another 

1012
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,900
book. 
I've started as you mentioned 

1013
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:48,200
earlier, right? 
I have been writing some essays 

1014
00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:53,400
that I've been published being. 
I just want to write a few more 

1015
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,100
essays, you know, maybe one a 
month this point and that could 

1016
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:00,500
turn into another book. 
I may have some point. 

1017
00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:04,700
Do an update of life is arrived.
The first book in 2020? 

1018
00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:09,300
Because I think part of the 
journey I can tell this is 

1019
00:56:09,300 --> 00:56:13,300
absolutely true for you is that 
hopefully in a couple years, 

1020
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:17,400
we're going to know more than we
know now and I No more now than 

1021
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,700
I did, when I wrote the book, 
almost two years ago. 

1022
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:23,000
So there may be an update to the
book at some point. 

1023
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:26,700
There's a lot of non-writing 
things. 

1024
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:28,500
I'm doing. 
I'm still, I'm 65. 

1025
00:56:28,500 --> 00:56:32,300
I'm still working full-time. 
I have a longtime girlfriend. 

1026
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:35,200
My kids are late teams. 
So I'm still parenting. 

1027
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,900
I still want to travel. 
I mean there's a lot. 

1028
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:41,300
I just want to continue living 
life and that to me is thriving 

1029
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,900
one other thing. 
If it could I add one other 

1030
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:46,400
thing before out of time. 
Bye. 

1031
00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:51,700
When we started this podcast, I 
want to talk about the, the 

1032
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,000
surviving versus thriving. 
I really want to try and that is

1033
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,200
one of my goals is to try and 
change the narrative. 

1034
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,600
I mean, I even see it with 
cancer organizations. 

1035
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:05,600
It's all about surviving and 
surviving surviving or not 

1036
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,100
surviving. 
And I want to change the 

1037
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:09,800
narrative. 
I think it's not good enough to 

1038
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,700
just survive. 
I think we have to shoot for 

1039
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:14,700
thriving. 
And I've met so many people who 

1040
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:16,400
have done that. 
That's what I want my body. 

1041
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,000
Ask me about, that's what I've 
done. 

1042
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:24,100
And I think I think the goal if 
you're a sports fan, that the 

1043
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:25,700
goal isn't to get to the Super 
Bowl. 

1044
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:30,200
It's to win the Super Bowl. 
And for me, the goal is 

1045
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,500
thriving, not surviving. 
I think, I think that is super 

1046
00:57:34,500 --> 00:57:37,900
important man. 
Like I seem that that 

1047
00:57:37,900 --> 00:57:42,100
transcends, just your topic as 
well that just that transcends, 

1048
00:57:42,100 --> 00:57:45,200
you know, beating cancer and not
surviving that, but I'll try 

1049
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,800
having through that. 
I feel like there's so many 

1050
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,100
people in their day-to-day that 
are just merely getting by. 

1051
00:57:50,100 --> 00:57:52,100
They're working in jobs. 
They don't like their 

1052
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,900
interrelationships, that, that 
are unfulfilled longing. 

1053
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,600
They they have so much dram 
Drury, you know, nonsense in 

1054
00:57:59,607 --> 00:58:03,100
their life and they don't, they 
have those Zeal for life. 

1055
00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:07,000
Like they don't wake up excited.
If they wake up, you know, just 

1056
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,500
already bummed out and exhausted
for the day ahead of them. 

1057
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:12,200
That's not healthy, that that is
surviving through life. 

1058
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,200
I mean, that's not living, 
certainly not thriving and I 

1059
00:58:15,207 --> 00:58:20,200
feel like I feel like people 
that have come from, you know, 

1060
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,900
terrible terrible places or have
you had something so profound 

1061
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:28,800
like it a cancer diagnosis, hit 
them like it acts as the 

1062
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,400
Catalyst, that wakes them up to 
the fact that they will die. 

1063
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,400
Or life isn't always sunshine 
and rainbows, but it makes 

1064
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,100
people appreciate what they do. 
Have to the point where they 

1065
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:44,500
appreciate it enough to have a 
love for it and really feed into

1066
00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:49,200
it and make the most of every A 
second counts and so many people

1067
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,800
live, these humdrum lives with 
humdrum jobs that are totally in

1068
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,200
fulfilling with no excitement. 
No Zeal, no energy. 

1069
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:02,400
No love for their day-to-day and
that is probably one of the most

1070
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,600
horrendous cancers out there. 
Yeah. 

1071
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:09,100
Well, I love how you 
characterize, that very, very 

1072
00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:10,000
true. 
I agree. 

1073
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,100
But I think, I think your 
message, I think what you're 

1074
00:59:13,100 --> 00:59:14,600
trying to do. 
I think, you know, you starting 

1075
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,000
a podcast would be freaking 
awesome and I listened to that, 

1076
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,700
for sure. 
Did you did you decide on a 

1077
00:59:18,707 --> 00:59:22,700
name? 
You know, I go back and forth II

1078
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:27,000
probably not ready to reveal it.
If you have, I do want part of 

1079
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:27,900
the name. 
Will be happy. 

1080
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:31,200
Ending is just because I think 
it's a cute name and people 

1081
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,700
remember it, but it it's going 
to have a tagline to it. 

1082
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:36,800
I've been playing with some 
different words. 

1083
00:59:37,300 --> 00:59:39,800
I'm starting to record some 
episodes this week. 

1084
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:43,300
So So I do need to decide on 
that in the next couple days. 

1085
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,200
Nice. 
Nice. 

1086
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,300
Well, I'm super excited for him 
and and excited for what you got

1087
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:48,200
coming. 
I'm excited for the revision of 

1088
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:49,600
your current book, or the next 
book. 

1089
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,300
Whatever that ones that being, 
if there's ever anything I can 

1090
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:53,800
do for you, Chris. 
Just let me know, man. 

1091
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,500
Robert. 
Thank you for having me on. 

1092
00:59:56,900 --> 00:59:58,500
I'm looking for. 
I know we're going to be on man 

1093
00:59:58,500 --> 01:00:02,900
has Workshop here in a couple 
weeks again, and I'm really 

1094
01:00:02,900 --> 01:00:05,900
grateful that I met you and that
we've crossed paths. 

1095
01:00:05,900 --> 01:00:08,100
Yeah. 100% man. 
What where can people go? 

1096
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:10,500
Like, is your social media? 
Like what? 

1097
01:00:10,700 --> 01:00:15,600
You typically Point people to. 
So the website is life is a ride

1098
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,300
either the book or book. 
I think it's just book.com., I 

1099
01:00:20,300 --> 01:00:23,800
should remember that, but I 
don't, I'm on Facebook, Chris 

1100
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,200
Joseph, and Santa Monica on 
Instagram. 

1101
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,700
I have a Twitter account by. 
Don't check it. 

1102
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:33,000
I don't use it. 
I'm mostly on Facebook a little 

1103
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,900
bit on Instagram or people can 
email me, Chris, josefa mac.com.

1104
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:40,000
And you know, they can't even 
text me. 

1105
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:41,800
If you want, I'll give out my 
phone. 

1106
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,400
Awry. 
I'll talk to anyone. 

1107
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:47,100
You can tell you that. 
I mean I had no idea how many 

1108
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:49,100
people would hit that up. 
I don't want you to be 

1109
01:00:49,100 --> 01:00:51,500
bombarded. 
I'll tell you what, I'll leave 

1110
01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:52,700
it at the email. 
And/or. 

1111
01:00:54,500 --> 01:00:57,000
People can find me on social 
media or at that website. 

1112
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,500
Awesome. 
I will certainly linking out to 

1113
01:00:58,500 --> 01:01:00,000
those. 
Make it easy for people to find.

1114
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,500
You. 
Definitely keep in touch 

1115
01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:02,800
screens. 
There's everything can do for 

1116
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:03,800
you, ma'am. 
Just let me know. 

1117
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,600
Robert. 
Thanks again. 

1118
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:07,600
Take care. 
All right, bye-bye.