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What's going on, is in James 
Roberts. 

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Thanks. 
Kiddo, Savage.com. 

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And today I've got special guest
and good friend, Michael Dennehy

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back on the podcast for a second
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The first time we talked about 
his, his cut, his competition 

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prep. 
Basically how he gave up alcohol

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and just totally turned his 
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Around this time. 
We Dove deep into our Hunting 

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Expeditions. 
So he and I went on a week-long 

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elk hunt this past few months 
ago in Colorado, and we did not 

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get an elk. 
But we had a great time and put 

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it in a ton of Miles ton of 
work. 

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And we just really got to know 
each other. 

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On a deeper level. 
So this conversation is 

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basically a recap of that event 
and all we learned in the 

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process. 
So thoroughly enjoyed the 

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conversation. 
I've got no doubt that you will 

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as well. 
If hunting interest you in the 

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slightest, you enjoyed 
conversation. 

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So without further Ado, sit 
back, relax and enjoy the 

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podcast with my good friend, 
Michael. 

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And we are live. 
Michael. 

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How are you brother? 
I'm doing great Rob. 

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How are you? 
I'm doing wonderfully. 

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Well, man. 
Last time we spoke. 

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We were in Colorado and we were 
hunting elk and we did not get 

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an elk. 
But we had a lot of fun doing 

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it. 
We had a tremendous amount of 

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fun that I also learned by the 
way that you go by Robert and 

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not Rob. 
Yeah. 

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It's interesting because I've 
never introduced myself as Rob, 

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but everybody calls me mom. 
So I just kind of goes with the 

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flow, but either way works. 
Yeah, well, I'm Michael a lot of

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people call me Mike, but I go by
Michael as well. 

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So I'll I'll respect that way. 
She can call you Robert, man. 

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I thoroughly enjoyed the hunt. 
Last time. 

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We were talking on the podcast. 
We were it was after you had 

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done your cut and we had the 
hunt looming and we're talking a

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bunch of smacked one. 
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I'm going to beat you up the 
mountain and vice versa and I 

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feel like, we both are already. 
Well, yeah, you're coming right 

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off the top rope out of the 
gate. 

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I there was only one time that I
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lungs right now, and that was 
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when we went all the way down 
and immediately went all the way

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back up another side. 
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those hour and a half foot, 
marches getting into the hunting

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area. 
I think both of us, quite 

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frankly. 
I think we handled it very well.

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And I think our guides and our 
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impressed. 
I think so man. 

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I agree. 
To give the listeners a little 

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context here. 
And we we've been working 

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together for quite some time. 
You did a cut with me. 

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That was when was that like, 
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on that? 
The start date? 

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Well, we worked together for 15 
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And from the point that I 
started started cutting started 

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with you, until I peeked was 
about a year. 

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And the reason why it took so 
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I'd never really had much in the
way of Of a nutritional expert 

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in my life, who really sat down 
and taught me how to use a macro

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calculator calories, how to 
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Etc. 
So, it took me about a year, but

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if you remember the first I 
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Six to twelve weeks. 
We were just trying to figure 

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out where my calorie threshold 
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was and how my body reacted to 
the different ratios of fat 

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proteins. 
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I started Dropping body fat, I 
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to two pounds a week after that.
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all. 
To get me down to single digit 

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body fat. 
We just had to spend the first 

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two months or so trying to 
figure out what worked for my 

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body. 
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think do the rough beer math in 
my head here real quick. 

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Six months and it was six months
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got kicked a couple times to the
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incidents out of our control. 
Roll, so I think it was a six to

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seven month cuts. 
That got me down to 182 and then

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you helped me reverse diet for 
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And then kind of set me on my 
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And, you know, I mean, we went 
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bolts of that cut on our first 
podcast. 

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So anybody that has not listened
to that. 

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Highly recommended. 
But in working with you, for, as

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long as I did, and just a daily 
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you know, talking it became 
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were both Avid Hunters 
Outdoorsman, and we like all 

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things, you know, hunting. 
So it came to be that you had a,

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an elk hunt planned in Colorado 
and you were kind and generous 

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enough to invite me to accompany
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in November. 
Is that what that was? 

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It was it was November 13th to 
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there in the mountains. 
Was it was pretty hot. 

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It wasn't this cold as we would 
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it wouldn't cause we would have 
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put in some serious miles man. 
I think we covered what was like

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60 miles or something? 
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six days. 
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runs. 
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1-mile run but 64 miles in six 
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That was, that was wild man. 
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had if we're being honest. 
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Us when it came to to getting it
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third rifle. 
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pressure from other Hunters. 
It was a new moon, or a full 

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moon rather. 
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happening at night when we 
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ridiculously hot for 
mid-november so we can have 

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this. 
Then the chips stacked against 

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us, but we put into work their 
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Yes, and you know, I'll relate 
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Not this year's hunt. 
Last year. 

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I saw. 250 elk last year. 
It was a smorgasbord of animals.

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All around us this year was and 
I followed all of the blog's, 

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all the Facebook pages. 
Just checking the numbers 

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online. 
It wasn't us. 

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It was not us. 
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season wide for the different 
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New Mexico. 
I've been looking at their 

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numbers. 
It really was not Robert and 

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Michael who you were unlucky. 
There was a very low Harvest 

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across the board. 
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that is we had that the three 
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It was very hot. 
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Yeah, 60 degrees doesn't sound 
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particularly when you're in 
Miami, but when you're marching 

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up a hill on Mountain, excuse 
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than that, but when you're 
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have a rifle in one hand, 
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Brush out of your way and you're
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In 6 days. 60 degrees is hot. 
Now now be an elk, the elk or 

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fat, right now. 
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covered with fur, they're built 
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somebody the other day who said,
this is how tough alkar, they 

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make a living out of conditions 
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And so it was in the 60s. 
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That was the second factor that 
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It was very, very dry and, and 
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And what that means is those elk
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down to go to the river, and 
then they're going to go 

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straight back up. 
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the end of the first day, I'm 
not trying to say, you know, I'm

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an elk whisper. 
I'm not. 

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But I started saying we got to 
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We've got we can't be here at 
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They're above us. 
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The fact that it was very dry. 

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And the third thing was that 
full moon and I've been hunting 

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since I was a child, you as 
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We called your buddy, Brad. 
If I have it if I remember it 

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correctly and even he's a 
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Who said yeah man full moon 
because what happens and I'm not

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trying to bore your listeners. 
I know your listeners are 

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typically into health and 
fitness. 

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What happens is those those 
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which means the headlights are 
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night. 
Why would they move around 

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during the day? 
Why would they, why would they 

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move around when there's a 
higher risk of of them being 

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ambushed, by a predator? 
So it was hot as could be, it 

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was dry as could be which meant 
they were. 

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Just not going to move around 
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If there were going to move, it 
was only going to be to go get 

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water and three. 
There were only going to move at

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night so last year, I saw like I
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We saw God. 
What was it? 

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Rob, Robert 12, maybe? 
Yeah. 

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And of the 12 that we saw, I 
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bulls and of the two bulls we 
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two miles away. 
So wasn't really great odds from

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a, you know, getting a bull 
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We don't have any context. 
That's true. 

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That's going to change this year
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applying for a cow tag, which is
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So now, You did see a bowl. 
I didn't. 

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So you saw two bowls. 
I did not see that. 

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First of all, you did and you 
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Tell, tell us that story because
I still to this day, getting 

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ready for this podcast was like 
I'll be damned. 

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I still didn't see that hole 
until he started running away. 

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Well that so that was on the 
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was it the third day that we 
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I think it was the second day 
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That was the third day. 
We went up a lot higher. 

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Iran that day. 
And we were up in the timber at 

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that point and lo and behold a 
sort of bugling. 

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I mean that late in the season, 
they start of bugles, that kind 

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of surprised, all three of us, 
but they were, they were vocal 

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nonetheless and we were going 
after several different bowls 

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that we heard. 
We heard multiple bowls and then

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we had one that was barreling 
down the mountain on us and it 

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was super thick and that Timber.
So, we couldn't see me until I 

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was literally right on top of 
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You were right behind me. 
I was with the guy. 

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I'd probably about 10 yards in 
front of you, and then I got set

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up on my shooting sticks. 
Have my rifle steady, ready to 

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rock. 
I was on one knee and the bull 

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barrel down the mountain. 
And literally was in probably 40

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yards away from me, you know, 
bow range practically. 

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And I've got my 300 Win Mag, but
he stops right behind a tree. 

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And I'm on my shooting sticks. 
I'm steady ready to go away from

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the take one step to the left 
right of that tree, and he does 

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not take us to. 
I can see his antlers sticking 

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out and I could see probably No,
two inches of rib cage. 

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Taking that one side of that 
tree, but I'm only going to make

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a dirty shot like that. 
So I'm just waiting for him to 

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move. 
But lo and behold he stopped 

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right on a prior kill site from 
the week prior and we didn't 

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know until we got up to him, 
check things out but he spooked 

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instantly and then turned around
and then went right back where 

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he came through the thick 
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So I didn't have a shot after 
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But then once we got closer to 
where he was standing to see 

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what was going on. 
He literally stopped right on. 

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Top of a, of a, of a carcass 
from an elk that was killed the 

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week prior, and the hunters had 
killed that elk, littered. 

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They had like they're, you know,
cans of beans and all kinds of 

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just trash everywhere. 
And I feel like he win did that.

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And then didn't take him long to
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stay there. 
Right, but I I just couldn't 

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believe an animal 700 pounds. 
Large could hide behind a tree 

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where you could barely see him. 
I didn't even know that there 

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was an animal coming up on us at
all. 

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And that's how, that's how 
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You would think? 
Yeah. 

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It's the size of a horse. 
You're going to see it. 

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Coming down the mountain. 
From a mile away. 

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No, you are not. 
You really not there. 

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They're pretty a well 
camouflaged. 

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For their environment, you know,
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think. 
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massive wingspan 6x6, antlers, 
their 700 plus pounds. 

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They're the size of horses, you 
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branch they break it. 
I'll hear him coming a mile away

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and it never surprises me. 
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surprise me how close and animal
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realize. 
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It's actually quite spooky and 
super spooky mean. 

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When you look at how thick some 
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traipsing through and you, look 
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It boggles my mind that they're 
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quickly as they are. 
It's like they just, they know 

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they've got enough body 
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every inch of them is and they 
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through that thick stuff without
a problem. 

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They are there, they're 
incredible. 

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And you just have to stop and 
give them the credit their do, 

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which is every day of their 
life. 

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They're just trying to be able 
to make it to the next. 

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There's always something there's
always something after them be 

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at the, whether a drought, you 
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resources or Predator, you know,
we came across some mountain 

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lion tracks on a couple 
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If I recall remember that. 
Yeah, one of which was in our 

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Prints from the day prior, so 
that was kind of spooky. 

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So I mean, these animal, they're

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tough animals. 
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unfortunately, we weren't able 
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But last year, I was able to 
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they'll go up this terrain and 
It's in queue and I walk across 

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take and room. 
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side of a mountain with almost 
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these animals. 
You have to be pretty skilled to

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that and I was very fortunate. 
I did get a 5x5 bull elk in 

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2011. 
I believe it was I got within 27

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yards and and I successfully 
harvested. 

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Certified by 5 bull elk with a, 
with a bow. 

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My very first elk hunt and I was
just lucky. 

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And so, that's all right. 
That's why it's called hunting 

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and not killing. 
Yeah, but I'll go back next 

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year. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, that's what it's all 
about man, but it's such a, it's

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such an exercise. 
For like patients, like we have 

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that one, Lonesome cow elk. 
And we would assumed that there 

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are other alkyl rounder, but we 
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the adjacent Mountain Ridge to 
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Us. 
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her for five or six hours 
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move and bring whatever else was
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apparently so low, so we waited 
five six hours on one evening 

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waiting for to see, you know, 
whatever was with her and 

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nothing was with her. 
So you never know until you 

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you're out there doing it and 
then you just have to make the 

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most of what you got in the 
environment at the time. 

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Do you notice a pattern though? 
During our hunt? 

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There we saw. 
One, two, three, you stop that 

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bull. 
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the mountain, across the Ridge 
from us. 

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And then when we were coming 
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day. 
Remember and there was that cow 

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elk, who is around that mud 
puddle with those mule deer and 

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she was by herself. 
I'm telling you. 

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It was it was an odd hunt. 
I've been out on, I don't want 

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to say several but quite a few 
elk hunts and the Our mental 

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factors were just out of whack 
and again, before before anybody

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starts going down the road of 
global warm or whatnot, you 

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know, want to make any 
statements done that. 

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I'm just going to say last year.
It was colder than average. 

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Last year. 
We had feet of snow and it was 

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eight degrees. 
So in the course, of 365 days, 

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you know, the third rifle for 
Colorado went from eight degrees

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with a couple feet of snow. 
To 60 65 degrees with no 

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precipitation whatsoever. 
So it was just it was just 

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environmental factors. 
We got unlucky but I would say 

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the number one thing I took from
that that I'm going to apply to 

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next year's Hunt is I am going 
to line up the lunar calendar 

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next to it. 
And I'm going to say, okay. 

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I do not want to be anywhere 
near the full moon. 

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I want to be on the new moon and
so you live and you learn what 

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was really interesting that they
were vocal that third. 

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But then after that, and before,
then there was absolutely no 

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calling whatsoever. 
Like we were calling, but we're 

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not getting any responses other 
than that morning of the third 

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day. 
So, whatever it was that had him

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spooked or whether you started 
moving more at night or whatever

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the situation was. 
They went from being vocal to 

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not vocal at all, which makes, 
you know, figuring out where 

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they're at and stocking on 
nearly impossible. 

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Yeah. 
When they're not moving, because

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normally, in third rifle, Of 
Colorado. 

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So for the listeners who might 
not be Western Hunters, third 

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rifle. 
This is what I mean. 

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They have multiple Seasons 
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They have deer season. 
It is Bow and then muzzle loader

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and then rifle. 
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bow season and there's the last 
day of rifle season, and it 

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doesn't end. 
It's like 60 straight day. 

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At forty five, straight days, 
whatever it is. 

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I can't recall. 
Different out west, the way they

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do it out West because it's such
a large. 

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Migration of hunters who come 
into the state. 

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What they do instead is they 
have first rifle and then a week

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off, and then second rifle, and 
then a week off, and then third 

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rifle, there is a fourth rifle, 
so it goes bow. 

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And then a week off 
Muzzleloader. 

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And then a week off. 
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rifle, and each season. 
Is a week-long and then, there's

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a, a week-long break in between 
them. 

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So, third rifle is typically, 
that's the peak of the 

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migration. 
So that's when these elk who are

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hanging out at eleven, twelve, 
thirteen thousand feet. 

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Because these animals would they
would park themselves in your 

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walk-in cooler? 
If they could they'd love it 

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when it's cold and dark. 
That's when they start moving 

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down down from the peaks of the 
mountains and start heading. 

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To lower elevation and or south 
and a lot of the elk that we 

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were hunting that heard will end
up down in New Mexico. 

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I mean, there they cover quite a
bit of ground there in the peak 

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of that, that migration like 
last year. 

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I I mean, it was, it was Grand 
Central Station, you know, we 

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were watching these elk, move 
all around us. 

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The question is, are you going 
to get a shooter Bowl, legal 

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bull, elk? 
That you could put in an 

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approach on last year. 
That was difficult. 

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You know, it's pretty big 
terrain out there and but I did 

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see 250 of them this year. 
It was it was just the exact 

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opposite, you know, due to again
the the whether the 

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precipitation and the fact that 
it was a full moon. 

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So next year. 
I'm still heading back out. 

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I'm going to head back out with 
a cow tag because to me the 

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real. 
Prize is the freezer full of 

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meat. 
And I've actually like to talk a

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little bit. 
I think this might interest a 

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lot of your listeners, some of 
the nutritional value of elk. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, I think from a, from a 

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micronutrient nutrient density, 
standpoint Wildgame Meats. 

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Pretty hard to beat. 
I mean, that's why I'm so I'm 

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such an advocate for for hunting
because, you know, I know 

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exactly what that animal is 
eating based off of where it 

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was, you know, hard. 
Arrested. 

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And there's just there's just no
image just as pristine as it 

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gets like it's literally Wild 
game meat that have been feeding

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on the most wild of brush 
vegetation foliage. 

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They can get there. 
They can get throughout the year

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and there's there's no like 
large-scale agricultural 

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farming, you know, pollutants or
chemicals, or fertilizers, in 

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thier messing with things. 
I mean, depending on what you're

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hunting, obviously, sometimes 
that's not the case, like some 

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places here, in Arkansas, deer 
hunting, you know, those deer 

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eat All kinds of corn and 
everything else. 

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But you know, up where we were 
hunting for these elk. 

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I mean, it's as pristine As It 
Gets. 

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Yeah, it is and and the macros 
on it, so I'm pulling up my my 

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macros plus right now just to 
get the specifics on, elk meat 

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and Elk me is going to be the 
same pretty much as your As your

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normal venison, but I mean, 
listen to this for macros for 1 

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ounce. 
It's seven grams of protein and 

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point four grams of fat. 
That's great. 

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Lean. 
That's well. 

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It's crazy lean and you've also 
got, you know, you can control 

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if you're going into, could you 
remember when I was going into 

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that cut, how often I would send
you pictures of Just roasted elk

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because I had plenty of elq from
last year and the that protein 

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content is very high. 
And don't know what the Amiga 32

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Mega 6 ratio is but I bet them 
being wild pastured like they 

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are. 
I bet it's perfect. 

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Yeah, and that's an absolute. 
No, I would think so because 

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they're not fed soybeans and 
corn and things like that. 

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But what I really personally 
appreciate about elk venison in 

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particular with his As lean as 
it is, you can really 

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particularly when you're 
dropping those grams of fat. 

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How many times have you pick up?
Picked up a chuck roast from 

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Piggly? 
Wiggly or what have you and you 

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just look at it and you're like,
there's really no way I can 

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accurately tell you how much fat
is in this kind of meat and but 

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with an elk steak or a deer 
venison steak. 

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I mean, it's it's pretty much 
damn near fat-free. 

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Yeah, and no just that deep red 
wine. 

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Rune and it's, there is no 
gaminess. 

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I hear people say all the time 
while I don't like the gaminess 

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of venison, there's no gaminess.
And I'm not even going to say, 

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if you do this, or if you do 
that, there's no gaminess, you 

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know, to me, it's a, it is a 
different flavor of me, but I 

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think I look at it from the 
point of view, of a, you know, 

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farm-raised cow. 
Instead of venison being gay me.

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I look at Farmer East. 
Calles if it's bland, and that, 

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that's how I view it. 
But once you sink your teeth 

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into your first elk, steak that 
will change your life. 

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You know, it's it's just a 
beautiful meat and I love the 

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macro count on it. 
Particularly, when I'm in a cut,

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I can really control that fat. 
Well, the thing about eating 

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Wild game meet beyond the 
nutritional benefits of it is 

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that the the amount of work that
goes into getting it and the 

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amount of pride that comes From 
consuming it. 

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As a result of that work is 
unparalleled and not replicated 

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by anything. 
You can get in a grocery store. 

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I mean, when we, when we were 
going through in a hunting even 

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though we weren't successful 
with this hunt having, you know,

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trekked over 60 miles in the 
five and a half days that we 

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hunted, you know, like, like you
were saying the beginning, like 

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we had multiple layers of 
clothing on we had, you know, 

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shooting sticks in one hand, 
Heavy Rain? 

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From the other hand, a pact that
wait. 

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Anywhere, probably around 30 to 
40 pounds. 

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I mean, I mean, none of this 
stuff was easy. 

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We were going straight up side 
Mountain Cliffs and then, you 

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know, bomb and down these 
mountains quickly to get into 

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position. 
I mean, we were sweating like 

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crazy at times and freezing at 
times. 

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I mean, it's not an easy way to 
go about, getting your 

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groceries, but in doing that you
have so much more appreciation 

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for that meat and what it 
provides you as the hunter, 

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00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,500
that's harvested that meat and I
feel like that. 

448
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,900
I mean even if it tasted like 
Like terrible, I would still do 

449
00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:49,600
it. 
Just simply for that aspect 

450
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,900
alone, like knowing that I'm 
that close to the whole circle 

451
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:55,100
of life and what it means and 
what it stands for. 

452
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,200
I couldn't agree with you more. 
I absolutely could not agree 

453
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,200
with you more particularly when 
you see some of the factory 

454
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:07,000
farms and and you know, some of 
the conditions on those it 

455
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,500
really kind of broke my heart 
that I wasn't able to come back 

456
00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:12,700
with 250 pounds of elk me 
because that would essentially 

457
00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:16,400
been my meat, you know, close 
to, you know, it for the entire 

458
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,100
year. 
It's not just the meat in the 

459
00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:22,200
freezer. 
It's knowing where it came from 

460
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,300
and cetera and the ethical way 
that animal was treated. 

461
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,500
So, I couldn't, I couldn't agree
more and well, our guy, our 

462
00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:32,400
guide was was feeling 
sympathetic towards us. 

463
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,100
I guess because he was willing 
and generous enough to donate a 

464
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:40,800
few pounds of his prior Year's 
elq because we were unsuccessful

465
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,900
in getting our own. 
So we at least got to eat 

466
00:25:42,900 --> 00:25:44,200
somehow because results of this 
trim. 

467
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:48,400
Yeah. 
Hey, I'm gonna I'm going to take

468
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,900
a cheap shot at you here, you'd 
mention how we were going up up,

469
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:54,500
one side of a damn near cliff 
and down, one side of a damn 

470
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:57,000
near Cliffs. 
And so your listeners. 

471
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,400
Don't know this, but I'm six 
foot four and you're not. 

472
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,100
And neither was our guide. 
And you guys start just 

473
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,800
absolutely rolling down the side
of this. 

474
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,500
Do you remember this when I 
plant it off my ass and just 

475
00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:14,100
started skidding down behind 
you? 

476
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:19,500
Yeah, so I'm all six foot four 
and trying as hard as I can, and

477
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:24,600
it was I was not purpose-built 
for going down the sheer cliff 

478
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,900
and you guys are mountain goats 
and just skipping your short 

479
00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:33,300
little butts down there. 
And I was like all these guys, I

480
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:35,700
can't believe it. 
You guys had got out pretty far 

481
00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:38,400
in front of me. 
But the other side of the coin 

482
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,700
is when we're going uphill and 
trying to cross branches and 

483
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:44,700
logs, you know, you were getting
high centered and I was crossing

484
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:47,300
them. 
Like they were nothing but that 

485
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:50,300
that terrain it'll find your 
weakness. 

486
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:52,600
Yeah. 
It will find your weakness. 

487
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,500
I know you have a lot of Fitness
Enthusiast. 

488
00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:58,300
I know you have a lot of hunters
who are listeners and I'll, I'll

489
00:26:58,300 --> 00:27:02,600
throw this out. 
Don't think you can be fat Rolie

490
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,300
Polie sitting on the couch and 
go out and be an elk Hunter. 

491
00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:09,300
Oh overnight, man. 
You better get ready for this. 

492
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:15,000
I don't know about you all, but 
I'd say I'm very, very pleased 

493
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,600
with my training. 
Regiment leading up to the elk 

494
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,100
hunt because I felt like I could
handle it pretty pretty damn 

495
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,900
easily. 
We were getting that we're 

496
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:26,400
putting in, pretty extreme 
hours. 

497
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,900
We were getting up very early. 
We're going to bed late, and 

498
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:30,700
we're putting in some pretty 
significant. 

499
00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:32,700
Miles. 
And oh, by the way, we're 

500
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:34,900
working out every day after we 
were hunting. 

501
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:37,100
Yeah, it's Lansing. 
When you think about it, but I'm

502
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:38,900
glad we did. 
Yeah. 

503
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:41,200
Well, I mean, that's something 
else to cover during this 

504
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,900
podcast is, you know, how do you
work out while you're on the 

505
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:48,500
road? 
But I felt that my training 

506
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:52,000
regiment leading up to the 
events paid off. 

507
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:57,300
And, you know, for the record, I
think Robert is being, I think 

508
00:27:57,300 --> 00:27:59,800
you're being very modest and 
saying, I think we both did 

509
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,200
well. 
I think we both did well, but I 

510
00:28:02,208 --> 00:28:05,200
think I lost the bet. 
I think there were times. 

511
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,600
I think there were times that 
now the BET was that one of us 

512
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,100
was going to make the other one.
Say uncle, neither one of us did

513
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:14,400
that. 
Now, either one of us in that we

514
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,100
both want, neither one of us did
that. 

515
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:18,800
Neither one of us came even 
remotely close to that. 

516
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,000
But in terms of, you know, 
bending over and catching 

517
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,800
breath, I think and it was only 
once, I think there was one 

518
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,200
occasion where I I've been over 
and tried to grab my Breath. 

519
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,900
And I look and you weren't as 
like, death. 

520
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,100
Damn it. 
I think I just lost the bet. 

521
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:39,000
What? 
I mean, the I guess let's just 

522
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,200
paint a picture for the 
listeners as to what a typical 

523
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,900
day was looking. 
Like I would wake up at 3, I 

524
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:47,600
think and work on my clients for
we were staying in, like, a VAR 

525
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,500
B 0, which is kind of nice 
because we had, you know, we 

526
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:53,700
could come back have like, you 
know, a bed to sleep in the 

527
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:56,700
shower shower and everything, 
which was, which was nice, but I

528
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:58,500
would wake up at three work on 
clients for an hour. 

529
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,500
Then we, then you get It up and 
we'd start packing things up and

530
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:04,900
then our guy would meet us there
at like four. 

531
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:09,600
Was that right? 
4430, some like that. 4:30, 

532
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,700
yeah, 4:30 and then we go draft.
The national forest. 

533
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:15,700
And then we get output the 
headlines on, turn to Camp 

534
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:18,100
backwards and just start pumping
it up the mountain. 

535
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,300
And depending on what location 
were going to, we were me either

536
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:23,900
way. 
We were hiking quite a bit in 

537
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:26,200
the very morning, early morning 
hours before it was getting 

538
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:30,300
light enough to see and then we 
would be out there hunting all 

539
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:31,700
day. 
Sometimes moving around 

540
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:35,100
sometimes doing more of a still 
hunting, you know, listening 

541
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:37,800
glassing and then we do that 
until dark. 

542
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:43,600
And then we come back and then 
I'd go for my mile run and then 

543
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,500
we start working out. 
And we do, I brought my 

544
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:49,100
resistance bands, that x 3 bar, 
you brought some adjustable 

545
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:53,300
Bowflex dumbbells with workout 
and then we cook dinner and that

546
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:56,100
was pretty much looked pretty 
much like a nomad style me. 

547
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:57,700
Like, we both brought bricks. 
We'd eat. 

548
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:59,800
The bricks are out there 
hunting, but then, other than 

549
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,600
that, we had the bulk of our 
calories in that. 

550
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,400
Oh, mad meal. 
When we got back in the evening 

551
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:07,500
and then you'd stay on the back.
Porch, smokers, who guard? 

552
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:10,700
I go to Bed. 
Right. 

553
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:14,600
It was like we were we were just
an hour off from each other. 

554
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:17,100
You woke up at 3:00. 
I woke up at 4:00. 

555
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:21,200
You would go to bed at 8:00 and 
I'll go to bed at 9:00, but you 

556
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,500
would you would do your work 
from three to four and I would 

557
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:25,300
smoke my cigar from eight to 
nine. 

558
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:27,400
Other than that, we had 
identical schedules. 

559
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:31,900
I would assume that most, I 
smoke a cigar with him last 

560
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:33,300
night and that kick my butt. 
Man. 

561
00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:36,100
I hadn't smoked a cigar and I 
think tore me up. 

562
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,100
And I only got ever had a buzz 
before that, but that that 

563
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,000
wasn't ready for that. 
Well, you're trying to kill me 

564
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,900
with the coffee. 
So, how do you remember that 

565
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:45,900
Death? 
Wish coffee? 

566
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:46,800
Oh, yeah. 
Oh, yeah. 

567
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,200
Gotta get the caffeine in my 
yeah. 

568
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,900
I was drinking that fuckin. 
So I'm caffeine-free before we 

569
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:56,800
go down that road on a very 
serious note II would assume 

570
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,200
that the majority of your 
clients actually listened to 

571
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,900
your podcast. 
So here's here's what I want to 

572
00:31:01,908 --> 00:31:03,000
say and I want to let people 
know. 

573
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,500
This is totally unsolicited. 
You are the hardest-working 

574
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:09,900
individual. 
I know besides my father. 

575
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:15,000
Are you would get up at three, 
you would get on your laptop and

576
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:19,000
you would put in while you were 
quote unquote on vacation 

577
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,300
hunting, you were putting in the
equivalent of what most people 

578
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:26,300
put in at a, at a full-time 
Monday, through Friday 9 to 5. 

579
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:28,100
So I want to say to your 
clients. 

580
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,400
And and again, this is you're 
not paying me and Free Bricks to

581
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,700
do this. 
I wish you were. 

582
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:35,500
I love those things, but you're 
not. 

583
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,400
You're in good hands with 
Robert. 

584
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:41,300
He works his ass off for you 
guys. 

585
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:46,300
And he's very meticulous. 
Very attention to detail 

586
00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:49,100
oriented. 
And I got to. 

587
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:52,600
That was one of the things that 
I learned in, you know, you and 

588
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,300
I were, we had a relationship, 
you know, in that modern sense 

589
00:31:57,300 --> 00:32:02,000
of 2021, right, 22, where we 
knew each other, but we hadn't 

590
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,200
really met and I got to meet you
and I got to see behind them. 

591
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:11,300
Curtain and you have got into 
science. 

592
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:15,000
You are World expert. 
You are just the hardest working

593
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,000
guy. 
And I was very humbled just to 

594
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,000
see how much effort you put in 
and that at one point I felt 

595
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,300
guilty, but I was straight up on
vacation. 

596
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,500
Big news. 
You haven't heard this yet. 

597
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:31,500
I sold the brewery. 
Yeah, and it's common. 

598
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:34,000
I'm sorry. 
I knew that was coming. 

599
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,900
You had mentioned that you'd 
found a buyer for us. 

600
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,500
Yep. 
And so it's officially been 

601
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:41,200
sold. 
And so that was kind of in the 

602
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,000
works. 
And so I was this this hunt was 

603
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,200
part of my effort in my time to 
kind of power down a little bit 

604
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,700
and maybe get some of my time 
back and from being a, you know,

605
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:58,200
a bar owner Brewery owner, in 
the food and beverage industry, 

606
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:02,100
but you blew me away with with 
how diligent and hardworking you

607
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:05,700
were. 
At 3:00 in the morning, you were

608
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:08,800
working on clients in the reason
why you were getting up at 3:00 

609
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,500
in the morning is because you 
could not let your clients down 

610
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,700
even though you were out on a 
hunt. 

611
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:17,100
And I was really humbled, and I 
just want to let your clients 

612
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:19,800
know that you are worth every 
single damn Penny. 

613
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,900
They put in your bank account. 
I appreciate that, man. 

614
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:25,500
That means a lot. 
I mean, I love doing the client 

615
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:28,000
work, for sure. 
I feel like, it makes me, it 

616
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,100
makes me a better Coach, 
obviously, because I'm staying 

617
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:33,700
on. 
The Cutting Edge, I'm 

618
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:35,100
manipulating things with my 
clients. 

619
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:39,100
I'm trying new things 
self-experimentation on myself, 

620
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:41,100
my own nutritional protocol. 
I'm trying new things with them 

621
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:44,400
based off of what their goals 
are, but I feel like, you know, 

622
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,100
like there's a lot of doctor 
influencers out there. 

623
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:50,600
For instance that never see 
patients anymore because they're

624
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,000
doing other things. 
And I feel like when they 

625
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,200
whenever you take that step, you
know, even if the patients 

626
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,700
aren't your main, you know, 
bread and butter so to speak. 

627
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,000
Like I feel like you owe it to 
the content you're putting out 

628
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,200
in the It large to stay on The 
Cutting Edge and continue to see

629
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,400
those patients. 
Continue to work with those 

630
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,100
clients. 
Continue to do those things that

631
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:12,300
brought you the success that you
have thus far because it just it

632
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:14,100
keeps you humble. 
It keeps you accountable and it 

633
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:16,100
keeps you sharp. 
And I feel like by me working 

634
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:19,500
with my clients, you know, and 
continuing to work with clients.

635
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:22,100
I'm able to just really hone in 
on that. 

636
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:30,000
Well, it's yeah, all of that. 
But again, you're being humble 

637
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,800
your work. 
Ethic is Monumental. 

638
00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:36,900
And if, and when I go back into,
not not if but when which is 

639
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:39,900
actually going to have to be 
pretty soon here, but when I 

640
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:42,300
start tapering back down, I 
know. 

641
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:44,600
I'm going to be in good hands 
and I'll work with you again. 

642
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,500
No question. 
Appreciate it. 

643
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:52,000
Of course, I'd like to talk 
about some of the things that I 

644
00:34:52,900 --> 00:34:56,600
did to prepare. 
Is that I think we're very 

645
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,600
successful. 
Do you mind if I jump into that?

646
00:34:58,700 --> 00:34:59,900
Yeah. 
Yeah, that's damn it, man. 

647
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:12,100
So, We upon my cardio when I 
booked this hunt and I do 

648
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,500
limited cardio. 
I did limited cardio. 

649
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:18,400
So I knew that I had to get 
really into cardiovascular 

650
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,600
shape. 
I track my stats pretty good. 

651
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:27,500
I knew I was lean. 
I knew I was had great blood 

652
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:32,400
pressure and a good pulse, but I
really hadn't put the miles in 

653
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:37,400
on the running shoes. 
But running on flat ground out 

654
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,600
at sea level isn't isn't the 
same thing. 

655
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:46,100
So, I don't know what you did, 
but I did 22 minutes a day 

656
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:52,800
post-workout and I on the 
StairMaster and the StairMaster 

657
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:59,800
was an absolute buttkicker. 
I mean, it floored me, and it 

658
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,500
was three and a half months 
leading up to the event itself. 

659
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:06,700
So, Not going to do math in 
public. 

660
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:11,100
But out in the August timeframe.
I started really hammering down 

661
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:14,700
on the StairMaster and my 
progress. 

662
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:17,800
My goal setting and progress was
phenomenal. 

663
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,700
So the StairMaster 22 minutes a 
day. 

664
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:26,000
Flat out flat out. 
I was going very high intensity 

665
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:32,200
for 22 minutes and While my 
lungs, got kicked in a couple 

666
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,400
times, I would say that in terms
of my muscular strength 

667
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,800
endurance of being able to climb
the mountains. 

668
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,100
I had zero issue whatsoever. 
Yeah. 

669
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:43,300
What? 
What do you remember? 

670
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:46,100
What intensity level you have 
the setting on the StairMaster? 

671
00:36:46,100 --> 00:36:47,300
Every stair Master little bit 
different. 

672
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:52,800
But remember the level was I do.
So this was StairMaster brand so

673
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,200
that those levels should be the 
same as long as you're on the 

674
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,100
StairMaster brand. 
I know that can be different 

675
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:05,600
ones and Is the whatever the 
2001 version of that is and I 

676
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:12,000
started my first week. 
I started at 8, I would work my 

677
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,300
way up from one. 
I would do every 30 seconds. 

678
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:18,500
I would increase. 
So I would go from 1 to 2 to 3 

679
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:21,200
to 4 Etc. 
Every 30 seconds. 

680
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,100
My first week I started at eight
second week. 

681
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:29,200
I went up to 10 that really 
started kicking in. 

682
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:31,800
I'm pretty hard. 
I ended up being able to 

683
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,100
maintain a 13 or 14 on the 
StairMaster for 22 minutes. 

684
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:39,200
Now, it will take me some time 
to build up to that, you know, 

685
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,200
to go from one. 
IE warming up up to 14, but 

686
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,300
that's that's printing up a set 
of steps. 

687
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,500
And, you know, I was, I was 
really sweating it out and my 

688
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:58,300
cardio was not an issue at all 
when I got out into the 

689
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:00,200
mountains. 
So I Pretty thankful. 

690
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,100
What did you do? 
Yeah, so I don't have access to 

691
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:05,700
a StairMaster. 
I probably will get one before 

692
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,000
my next competition. 
Brett because their Master is 

693
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,800
without a doubt, my most 
preferred form of cardio. 

694
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:16,000
But since I didn't have a 
StairMaster, I was doing the, 

695
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,300
the one mile a day runs. 
And what I did to prepare for 

696
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:23,700
this specifically was about a 
month and a half before the 

697
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:26,700
trip. 
I transitioned, all of my mild 

698
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:31,900
runs from Road running to Ooh, I
found this, there's like a five 

699
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:35,700
mile Loop here close to me, that
goes around the lake and I 

700
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:38,800
didn't, I didn't run the whole 
Five Mile Loop, but I would just

701
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,500
do start at one end to the other
end, run a mile on that trail, 

702
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:47,500
but that the first mile, either 
way of that trail is pretty much

703
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:50,600
straight up rock cliff. 
So I was pretty much running my 

704
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,200
mouth today, still, you know, 
both half-mile, going straight 

705
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,500
up the cliff and the other half 
mile coming back and going 

706
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:59,900
straight down the cliff. 
But doing that, you know, In the

707
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,700
outdoors to rain on rocks, on 
slippery, surfaces, and that I 

708
00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:05,400
think, was my Saving Grace for 
sure. 

709
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,100
Did you wear those? 
What? 

710
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:09,400
What kind of shoes were you 
right out there? 

711
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,700
I had banners, and you had was 
under armours. 

712
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,200
Yeah, I should have because if 
you can recall the first day, 

713
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,700
when we put in, probably the 
most miles, I think, was on that

714
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:24,200
first day, it was. 
And I was wearing, I was trying 

715
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,100
a new pair of Under Armour boot.
So one of my good buddies, he 

716
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:32,600
hook me up with some Some Under 
Armour hunting boots, the 

717
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:37,200
Cameron Haynes brand Kevin, 
Haines line, and they're great 

718
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,500
boots. 
I like him a lot, but there are 

719
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:42,400
half a size too small and when 
you throw in, you know, a heavy 

720
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,200
pair of hunting socks, it 
becomes even smaller and I 

721
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,600
hadn't broken them in yet 
because it hasn't hunted with 

722
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,000
them since I got them and I knew
better than this but I typically

723
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:54,400
I'm pretty good with blisters. 
Like I don't let it really get 

724
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,900
to me. 
I knew I was gonna get blisters.

725
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:59,000
So I just kind of went with it 
and that's exactly what I did in

726
00:39:59,008 --> 00:40:00,100
the first. 
They were out there. 

727
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:02,600
I got some massive blisters on 
both my feet. 

728
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,000
That just continued to get worse
and worse as the week went on. 

729
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,000
But yeah, that was my that was 
my, my misstep there. 

730
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,200
But I knew I was doing to myself
as I was doing it. 

731
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,100
So it's only my, it's my own 
fault. 

732
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,800
Yeah. 
Well, we've all been there. 

733
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,800
I'm very fortunate with those. 
I have danner's. 

734
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,200
I think, I think next year. 
I might go, perhaps, I might go 

735
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,900
with a little bit of a lighter 
weight. 

736
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:34,500
Boot is the They are just a 
touch clunky for me, which, you 

737
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:38,000
know, if we're standing still in
eight inches of snow, they'd be 

738
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,200
perfect. 
So, whatever trip I make next 

739
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,600
year, they're still going to go 
with me. 

740
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,200
But in the conditions that we 
have this year. 

741
00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:48,000
I probably would have preferred 
something just a little bit 

742
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,100
lighter because I fail to 
believe that we weren't kicking 

743
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:55,800
elk up and and driving them 
away, particularly when we're up

744
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,700
in the Timbers up in those 
Aspen's. 

745
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:03,500
And you know, three, N trying to
walk through the woods quietly. 

746
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:07,900
It's damn near impossible, you 
know the last guy in the stack 

747
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:11,400
there which was me. 
I was essentially my job was 

748
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,400
just to keep up with you two. 
And so there were times where I 

749
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,000
think I stepped on some logs 
when I shouldn't have and I 

750
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,700
pretty damn sure that I kicked 
up some elk by making too much 

751
00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:23,100
noise. 
I'm going to go with some 

752
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:24,600
lighter boots is the bottom 
line. 

753
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,000
Yeah. 
I think if it's as warm as it 

754
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,200
was for us and we're moving as 
much as we are. 

755
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:30,900
Our. 
And then, you know, it's not 

756
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:35,100
like you're feeding to get cold.
So, having having, and if you're

757
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:37,300
gonna do a bunch of still 
hunting, when you get to the 

758
00:41:37,300 --> 00:41:39,800
location, you can always take 
your boots off, put on some 

759
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,200
heavier socks and then still 
hunt for a while. 

760
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,700
And then when you go back to 
return to Camp, you're going to 

761
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:46,300
be doing most of walking. 
You can just return to that 

762
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:48,100
lighter. 
Pair of socks. 

763
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:49,500
That could also make a big 
difference. 

764
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,700
But yeah, I think having some 
lighter boots be good, shoutout 

765
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:57,800
to our guy and I mean, he's he's
what, 50 years old, 54 years 

766
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,400
old, something like that, and 
had And like multiple surgeries 

767
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,600
or something like that. 
I don't know the exact details, 

768
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,700
but had had a couple different 
obstacles from a health 

769
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:13,000
standpoint, but I passes. 
Yeah, bypass surgery and that 

770
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:16,300
those surgeries weren't too 
much, you know, too much prior 

771
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:19,300
to this hunt that we had gone on
and he was absolutely killing. 

772
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:21,900
And, I mean, he's he's in shape 
for sure. 

773
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:27,100
He isn't shape. 
I think he's 54 years old. 

774
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:29,500
By the way, before you start 
trying to call that too old. 

775
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:31,200
You know, I'm going to be 50 in 
a few months. 

776
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,300
So just, you know, be careful 
there now to understand, it's 

777
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:37,600
impressive. 
He-he's. 

778
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:41,400
Purpose-built. 
And yeah, and he's out there all

779
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,400
day every day and he's out 
there. 

780
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,900
Now, mountain lion going after 
mountain lions. 

781
00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:52,500
So they get, he does, he does 
this damn near from September 

782
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:54,500
all the way. 
January February, he's out in 

783
00:42:54,508 --> 00:43:01,800
the mountains and what a life. 
So, one of the things, one of 

784
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,600
the things that I think kind of 
crosses over between Health 

785
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:12,100
Fitness, you know, physique 
bodybuilding and hunting is, is 

786
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:15,300
the preparation and the habits 
that you have to build for 

787
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:18,800
Preparation. 
And I was listening to you, and 

788
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,800
Crystal on one of your live, Q&A
is the other day and you had 

789
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,300
Said hey, instead of calling it 
motivated. 

790
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,700
Maybe it was Crystal, instead of
calling it motivation. 

791
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:30,300
You should call it disciplined 
be disciplined. 

792
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:34,100
And that really resonated with 
me by the way, because I can't 

793
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:38,600
tell you how many times I'm 
unmotivated to do something, and

794
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,900
you know, that little voice 
says, well, you don't really 

795
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:42,400
have a choice. 
You can't say that. 

796
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:48,500
You are this, unless you, you 
need to man up and do this, but 

797
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:51,700
the discipline that goes into 
preparing for that hunt and one 

798
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:52,900
of the things I'm going to 
boast. 

799
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,600
Out a little bit. 
Is I think I put my money where 

800
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,300
my mouth was on. 
That one is I can shoot, you 

801
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:05,000
know, I can shoot, I rolled 
right up and boom three shots 

802
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,900
and they were all damn near 
touching each other at 300 yards

803
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:11,900
and you know, no offense and of 
course there were many nameless.

804
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:14,800
I don't even know their names 
but some of the shooting that I 

805
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,300
saw some of the guys at camps 
there. 

806
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,800
I was just shaking my head like 
you're going to chew that a live

807
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,500
animal. 
Like this. 

808
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:24,400
Yeah. 
Yeah, that's kind of a. 

809
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,400
That's that's a topic that, you 
know, when you hunt, whether 

810
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,100
you're hunting with a bow or 
with the rifle, you need to be a

811
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:35,800
capable hunter that can place a 
well-placed shot on the the 

812
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,900
animal and, you know, kudos to 
you. 

813
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:41,000
Because I mean, you went out 
there and we, it's kind of, an 

814
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:46,000
interesting situation. 
We get to the guides house and 

815
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,500
set up a Target, 250 yards, 
something like that. 

816
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:53,800
And me, you and two or The guys 
who are going to be hunting in a

817
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,700
different party. 
We have to verify that we're see

818
00:44:55,700 --> 00:45:00,800
Road and hitting Target and you 
shoot first, you nail everything

819
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,300
right on the money. 
I shoot. 

820
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:06,200
And then my shot placement all 
over the board. 

821
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,700
Which was weird because the week
before I was nailing it at 500 

822
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:14,600
yards and then the other three 
guys are shooting big time all 

823
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,800
over the place. 
And then I think with me we 

824
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,800
decided that I was hitting a 
bunch of the the brush in front 

825
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,200
of me. 
So we took a bunch of At grass 

826
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,100
down, then I was sitting, right?
Where I was supposed to be 

827
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:25,900
hidden. 
So I feel good about that. 

828
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:28,700
But the, the other three guys, 
definitely, we're not anywhere 

829
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:31,400
on the paper, which is 
concerning for sure because 

830
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,100
they're going after, you know, 
an animal, not able to put a 

831
00:45:35,107 --> 00:45:38,900
well-placed shot on them, which 
is, in my opinion, should keep 

832
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:41,800
them from go out there hunting 
for name on the first place. 

833
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,600
I agree with you and I would 
just say as someone who was up a

834
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,400
shooter almost as a profession, 
as a green brave, for 21 years, 

835
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,900
you know what they lacked. 
And I think what you and I 

836
00:45:56,900 --> 00:46:00,700
brought to the table and was 
obvious and and you're right. 

837
00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:04,300
It was the brush you were the 
position that you took for 

838
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:07,200
shooting your, for that first 
five meters or so. 

839
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,900
You were shooting through brush 
and you were still on the paper.

840
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:14,000
We just had to tighten your shot
group back. 

841
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,900
So we knock down some of that 
brush and but what you and I 

842
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:21,900
were both doing is, we're both 
consistent than you could tell 

843
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:24,600
like the training and the 
discipline, and the consistency,

844
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:27,900
because we're very comfortable 
behind the gun. 

845
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:29,800
We knew how we performed with 
it. 

846
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,200
As the system. 
We were using consistently the 

847
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,000
same ammo, the same scope, the 
same rifle. 

848
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:41,800
And the only thing that changes 
in that entire system is the 

849
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,400
person behind the gun. 
MO is the same. 

850
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:48,700
The barrel is the same, the 
scope is the same. 

851
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:51,200
So I love it when people like I 
don't know what's going on and 

852
00:46:51,207 --> 00:46:53,600
it's like damn it. 
Well, I know what's going on. 

853
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:56,200
It's the thing behind the scope.
It's you. 

854
00:46:56,700 --> 00:47:01,400
So, you know be consistent and I
think that Trend those skills 

855
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:07,200
and those that discipline that 
translates directly over into, 

856
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:15,300
you know, Health Fitness body. 
Composition in terms of I What 

857
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:18,100
made me successful in my cut 
with? 

858
00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:22,700
You was being very consistent 
when you gave me a macro count. 

859
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:28,600
I stuck exactly to that macro 
account to the exact macro, plus

860
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,200
or minus. 
I would say, 2, 2 3, 2 2, 3 

861
00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:37,400
grams of fat, 23, grams of 
protein, but it's the same exact

862
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,800
skillset. 
It's just being consistent and 

863
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,900
that's why I was successful. 
I think. 

864
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,300
Think I was my consistency. 
You were the subject matter 

865
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:49,200
expert you provided the 
knowledge. 

866
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:54,200
I just provided the consistent 
follow through and that was no 

867
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,700
offense to the to the guys who 
were there in the camp with us, 

868
00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:00,000
but you could tell, they were 
not consistent with how they 

869
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,700
were performing behind the gun. 
They were unfamiliar. 

870
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:08,200
They were untrained and the only
criticism I have I I don't judge

871
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,900
people on their ability to shoot
if they can't shoot as good as 

872
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:11,900
me. 
That's fine. 

873
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,300
I can't lift as much weight. 
You that's fine, too. 

874
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,000
It's there's no value judgment. 
In that until you're pointing 

875
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,600
that gun at a living creature. 
Who deserves a better dispatch 

876
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,400
than that. 
That's, that's what upset me 

877
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,000
about that is you should know 
what the hell you're going is 

878
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,800
going to do, what your bow is 
going to do. 

879
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,200
It's like, well, there's a 50-50
shot. 

880
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,600
I might get them in the Kill 
Zone. 

881
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:38,600
Well, that means there's a 50-50
shot. 

882
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,300
You're going to enter this 
animal and he's going to have a 

883
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:46,200
pretty miserable suffering. 
In death after this, so why 

884
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,900
didn't shoot that out behind the
tree? 

885
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,400
Correct. 
And I value and respect that 

886
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,600
decision immensely. 
Yeah, I think we're speaking the

887
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,000
same language there, man. 
I feel like, you know, it's 

888
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,600
always it's always interesting 
when you hunt with somebody new 

889
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,500
and like you said, we had never 
met in person prior to this 

890
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:07,700
hunt. 
So, you know, here I am leaving 

891
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,800
leaving my pregnant wife, 
Crystal behind for a week. 

892
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,900
And she's like, so what are you 
doing? 

893
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:14,900
Exactly? 
I'm like, I'm gonna go meet this

894
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:17,100
kind of the first time spend the
weekend there in Colorado 

895
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:20,100
hunting with them and Hope. 
See you when I return, you know,

896
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:24,200
so it's like you never know. 
It's just a toss-up, but I'm I'm

897
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,400
proud of shared camp with you 
for the week. 

898
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,100
And I feel like we're on the 
same page when it comes to our 

899
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,600
values and integrity around the 
sport of hunting, the respect 

900
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:39,000
that you need to show to the 
animal as hunters and honestly 

901
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,200
just put in the work and put in 
the rips with regard to the 

902
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,700
preparation, whether that be 
from a physical standpoint or 

903
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:47,800
from a accuracy and your firearm
standpoint. 

904
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,700
All of that stuff was was dialed
in and when you when you put it 

905
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:54,900
on a high placement on you put 
that on a priority and you 

906
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:57,800
practice and you put in those 
reps day today today to get to 

907
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,900
that point that you're confident
in doing what you got to do. 

908
00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:03,500
When the time comes, there's 
just a mutual understanding and 

909
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:07,600
respect for your comrades that 
have that same degree of 

910
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,200
dedication to the craft. 
And I feel like that's that's 

911
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,800
super commendable man. 
So I've thoroughly enjoyed 

912
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,800
sharing a hunt with you and I 
have no doubt that we'll be 

913
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,100
doing this again. 
I've no doubt about it either 

914
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,300
and I look forward to next 
season. 

915
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,700
I'm going L coming. 
It's just my thing. 

916
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:34,600
So, I'd love for you to join me.
I understand that your life 

917
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:39,600
priorities are rapidly changing 
as Crystal gets closer and 

918
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,600
closer to being a mother and 
congratulations on that. 

919
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,700
But, you know, that you are 
always more than welcome. 

920
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:48,200
All you have to do is just let 
me know at the last minute and 

921
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:50,800
I'll get you out. 
The those woods. 

922
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:55,100
I think moving forward. 
I'm borderline getting close. 

923
00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:58,300
If not, they're like, I wouldn't
need a guide in the future. 

924
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:02,300
Maybe we could talk Brad into 
coming out with us and that 

925
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:04,900
might be a transition over into 
being unguided. 

926
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:08,000
So yeah. 
Yeah, totally man. 

927
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,200
Just real quick. 
One of the things that I enjoyed

928
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,700
was the fact that we continue to
work out while we're still out 

929
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:21,900
there. 
How do you feel that aspect of 

930
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:26,100
our trip went? 
It's interesting because I've 

931
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:29,200
been like I was gonna get my 
mile a day and regardless 

932
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,400
because that committed to 
running to my list at every 

933
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:36,300
single day, but the physical I 
mean the calories that we were 

934
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:39,100
burning with the hunting itself 
was no joke when we definitely 

935
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:43,300
could have Justified not 
resistance training when we got 

936
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:47,000
back, but I honestly think that 
doing the training, at the end 

937
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,800
of the day, allowed me to sleep.
Bedroom. 

938
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:54,100
It allowed me to have that kind 
of second win of energy and I 

939
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:57,800
was able to just go to sleep on 
a better note to begin with. 

940
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,900
So I woke up better. 
I think I think was great. 

941
00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:02,000
Like we didn't we didn't do 
that. 

942
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,300
We didn't go to a gym and put in
like an hour and a half workout,

943
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:07,100
bad means. 
But we had the band's behind the

944
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,400
adjustable dumbbells. 
And we did a consistent, you 

945
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,500
know, push-pull leg or upper 
body your upper body lower body 

946
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:16,900
split or something to get 
everything stimulated in the 

947
00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:19,500
blood pumping, pretty much every
All day. 

948
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:24,700
So that was good. 
Yeah, and I felt one of the 

949
00:52:24,700 --> 00:52:27,500
think. 
It just overall, what we did was

950
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,800
it was high intensity short 
duration because you're right. 

951
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,800
I mean by the time we got back 
to the cabin, we're whooped men 

952
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:38,600
and we're just putting an 
incredible miles and I don't 

953
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,800
know about you, but the bottom 
of my feet towards the end of 

954
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,700
the week. 
I mean it did get to a point 

955
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:46,200
where it's like, yeah, I'm 
starting to feel a little sore 

956
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,900
on the bottom of my feet. 
But we would only work out for 

957
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:56,500
what 20 25 minutes but it was, 
it was intense. 

958
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,100
So, you had the X3 band and I 
had the adjustable dumbbells. 

959
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,500
And you know, by the way, I'm 
going to tell something a little

960
00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:09,600
funny here. 
I was like, you know, shoot, I'm

961
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,600
heading into this cabin. 
This guy is literally a 

962
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,100
professional bodybuilder. 
Am I going to be able to hang 

963
00:53:15,100 --> 00:53:19,100
with him when and I was able to 
hang with you, so I was pretty 

964
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,700
Be proud of that. 
But the we would we would switch

965
00:53:23,700 --> 00:53:26,500
from the dumbbells to the bands 
and back and forth. 

966
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:30,700
And we were just get home from 
the mountain that day and say, 

967
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:31,900
okay. 
What do you want to work on? 

968
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:33,600
I want to work on shoulders and 
chest. 

969
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:36,800
Okay, set up the band through 
this and I'll set up the 

970
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:40,200
dumbbells for that and we were 
just swap back and forth. 

971
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,700
And basically we just super 
excited for you know, 20 minutes

972
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:47,900
straight and I thought that it 
was pretty damn effective at a 

973
00:53:47,908 --> 00:53:50,600
minimum. 
I Take any steps backwards. 

974
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,800
Yeah, hundred percent. 
I think, you know, it's much 

975
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,700
easier to preserve the muscle 
that you've built. 

976
00:53:55,700 --> 00:54:00,100
That it is to build new muscle. 
And if you don't activate your 

977
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:03,000
muscle at all, it's relatively 
easy to lose lean mass. 

978
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,900
But by us, you know, doing that 
relatively intense, super said, 

979
00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:09,400
you know, getting plenty of 
blood flow activating all the 

980
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,600
muscle. 
I mean, we were able to most 

981
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,100
certainly maintain what we had 
built up to that point. 

982
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:17,400
So when we went back to our 
normal routines after the hunt, 

983
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:19,100
you know, there weren't any they
weren't. 

984
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,200
Any steps backward? 
Take. 

985
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,900
I mean, we were, we were right 
there where we left off and 

986
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,500
honestly, probably better from a
cardiovascular standpoint. 

987
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,300
Yeah, I would say so, well, we 
covered all of my points that I 

988
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:35,800
wanted to get to want to talk 
about working out and shooting 

989
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,800
and consistency and the training
that it took that I thought 

990
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,800
really paid off, you know, so 
I've wrapped up my talking 

991
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,700
points that I wanted to cover. 
Just want to make sure again, 

992
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,300
just relate to your listeners. 
Robert is an incredible 

993
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:57,000
individual. 
He works exceptionally. 

994
00:54:57,100 --> 00:54:59,700
For his client. 
You're one of the most diligent 

995
00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:03,200
guys, that I know you're, you're
the most diligent guy that I 

996
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,500
know then that's not Hyperbole. 
And I'm proud to have met you 

997
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:09,600
and developed a friendship with 
you, and I look forward to 

998
00:55:09,607 --> 00:55:11,000
humming with you again next 
year. 

999
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,800
I truly do appreciate that, man.
And, you know, right back at ya.

1000
00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:18,100
I value this friendship and I 
value having the opportunity to 

1001
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:21,500
work with you as a client. 
And, I mean, I've got nothing 

1002
00:55:21,500 --> 00:55:24,200
but respect for what you've 
accomplished but what's next on 

1003
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,800
on your agenda. 
I don't know how much you're at 

1004
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,400
liberty to say, but Now, the 
brewery. 

1005
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,500
So what's in the pipeline for 
you, man? 

1006
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,100
I appreciate the opportunity to 
let people know that I am now. 

1007
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:39,300
The director of communications 
for the National Infantry Museum

1008
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:45,000
and we are a non-profit. 
Our mission is to our mission, 

1009
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,700
is to honor the sacrifice and 
Legacy of the American Soldier. 

1010
00:55:48,700 --> 00:55:50,400
We're located in Columbus, 
Georgia. 

1011
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:56,400
You can find us on Facebook and 
Instagram at National Infantry 

1012
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,300
Museum. 
At National Infantry Museum, you

1013
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:06,100
can go to the National Infantry 
Museum dot-org and you can make 

1014
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:08,400
a donation to us. 
We're a 501 C3. 

1015
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,200
We're a non-profit. 
I kind of wanted to give back to

1016
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,500
the community a little bit. 
You know, I retired after 21 

1017
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:19,300
years in the Army opened a 
brewery quit drinking, you know,

1018
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:23,700
that's the first podcast, we 
talked about all of that and 

1019
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:27,100
there just came a point where my
professional life had to be. 

1020
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:32,200
In step with my personal life. 
And, and so, the brewery for 

1021
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,100
obvious reasons, so, I wanted to
get, I wanted to give back a 

1022
00:56:36,107 --> 00:56:39,200
little bit. 
The National Infantry Museum was

1023
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:43,300
right down the road and they 
were great friends of mine and 

1024
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:47,800
we were voted America's best 
free museum on multiple 

1025
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:53,100
occasions by USA Today. 
CNN, travel has cited us as 

1026
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:57,000
being the among the top 12 
military museums. 

1027
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,100
In the world. 
In the world. 

1028
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,500
We're located in Columbus, 
Georgia. 

1029
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,800
It the place is incredible. 
It is. 

1030
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,600
It is a world-class venue. 
You don't have to be infantry. 

1031
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,500
I was not an infantry Soldier. 
I was a Green Beret, but at the 

1032
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:18,000
end of the day, it's about 
honoring, the sacrifice and 

1033
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,300
Legacy of America's soldiers. 
And you know, we appreciate any 

1034
00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:24,600
support you can give us National
Infantry Museum. 

1035
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:30,200
Dot-org had their check out the 
museum and if you can spare it, 

1036
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,100
make a donation to help us honor
that sacrifice and Legacy Levitt

1037
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:35,500
Manuel. 
I've got family in Georgia. 

1038
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:37,700
So, next time, I'm in the area. 
I will most certainly swing. 

1039
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,400
And check out the museum. 
All right, brother. 

1040
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,200
Look forward to it. 
Definitely. 

1041
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:45,600
We are doing another little 
recording here that we forget to

1042
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,400
talk about something very, very 
important that Michael brought 

1043
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,800
to my attention and that was how
we fared from an energy 

1044
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,600
standpoint while we're out 
there. 

1045
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,800
Hunting through the elements 
with a nomad meal approach 

1046
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,400
pretty much faster throughout 
the day. 

1047
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,500
Other than a keto break at some 
point during the day, hiking all

1048
00:58:02,508 --> 00:58:04,500
those miles. 
So just touch on that for a 

1049
00:58:04,508 --> 00:58:05,300
second. 
Would you Michael? 

1050
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,100
I just like last year. 
I had no problems whatsoever at 

1051
00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:13,600
all. 
I felt that I was at a high 

1052
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,500
ketogenic State throughout the 
entire hunt here. 

1053
00:58:17,500 --> 00:58:22,200
We were putting in 64 miles in 
six days are 60 miles in 6 days,

1054
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,300
whatever it was at 8,000, 9,000 
10,000 feet. 

1055
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,200
I never felt in any way, shape, 
or form that I was missing out 

1056
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,400
on on anything because I wasn't 
eating. 

1057
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:38,400
I never felt that I had. 
A lack of energy at all. 

1058
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,900
I felt I was clear of head and 
that I could keep going to that 

1059
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:50,200
next Peak bursts of energy. 
There were times where we were 

1060
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,200
really panting, pretty hard. 
And, you know, I hadn't eaten 

1061
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,800
since the day before the evening
before and I personally didn't 

1062
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,300
find any lack of energy whenever
I needed recall and and move 

1063
00:59:01,300 --> 00:59:02,300
out. 
It was there. 

1064
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:04,800
What about? 
You know, I totally agree, man. 

1065
00:59:04,900 --> 00:59:09,100
I mean we were Let me like I 
said, we had pretty much. 

1066
00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:11,600
I brought the bricks. 
We had a brick at some point 

1067
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,400
during the hunt. 
Usually probably around noon. 

1068
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,600
I would guess and then we 
wouldn't eat again until after 

1069
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:22,100
we got back, did the Run did the
workout and then cooked a meal 

1070
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,700
and that meal was, it was the 
usually consisted of about 10, 

1071
00:59:26,700 --> 00:59:31,500
whole eggs per person and then 
probably about a pound of ground

1072
00:59:31,500 --> 00:59:35,800
beef and probably about another,
I don't know. 

1073
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,000
Handful of cheese or something 
like that, but pretty simple 

1074
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,300
stuff. 
We had eggs, ground beef, and 

1075
00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:43,000
cheese, every single day, and 
that's pretty much what we're 

1076
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,400
living on. 
Yeah, you would, you would do 

1077
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:47,800
great, like, worked out that 
division labor. 

1078
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,000
You would do the laundry, and I 
would do the cooking. 

1079
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,800
And, you know, by the time we 
were done working out, 

1080
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,900
everything was ready to go, but 
it was just protein and fat and 

1081
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,400
it just, Still blows people 
away. 

1082
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,100
When I tell them like, yeah, 
this is multiple years in a row.

1083
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:07,100
I go out to the mountains and 
I'm climbing these massive, 

1084
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,000
massive Peaks, and no, I don't 
eat all day. 

1085
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,400
I'll eat before I go to bed. 
And, you know, I thought that 

1086
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,000
was just the most important part
to, for your listeners. 

1087
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,700
That's why we wanted to record 
again. 

1088
01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:24,200
Is that ketogenic lifestyle? 
It's, it's almost a perfect 

1089
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,200
diet, for being out there in the
woods. 

1090
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,700
For these Long Haul, several day
in a row. 

1091
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:35,600
A severe caloric exertion 
events, and I never felt the 

1092
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,300
need that I had to eat. 
I was eating the bricks in the 

1093
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:42,800
morning. 
Mostly because they're so damn 

1094
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,900
good. 
It was like having a dessert 

1095
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:50,000
that you didn't have to feel 
guilty about and that's why I 

1096
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,500
was eating them is because I 
actually liked them. 

1097
01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:57,200
It wasn't because I felt I 
needed energy in my system. 

1098
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,700
I just in particular, the maple 
pecan and the chocolate peanut 

1099
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:03,200
butter. 
I thought they were just really 

1100
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,800
good and I was looking forward 
to the opportunity to have that 

1101
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:11,600
break so that I could eat those 
but other That I never in any 

1102
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:16,400
way, shape, or form felt that I 
was energy depleted, even even 

1103
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,100
if I didn't have a brick in me 
at the time. 

1104
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:22,900
So I'll continue to stick with 
the ketogenic lifestyle. 

1105
01:01:22,900 --> 01:01:27,000
For my, you know, long-term 
serious Western hunts. 

1106
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,400
Yeah. 
I think it's the best way to go,

1107
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,500
man. 
I mean, so many people are at 

1108
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:34,000
their hunts and they've got like
their snack bars or quest bars 

1109
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,200
there. 
Cliff Mars than get just all 

1110
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,000
this gear. 
They have to bring with him from

1111
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,400
a food standpoint. 
A point or else they start 

1112
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,400
bonking and can't make it up the
mountain. 

1113
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,300
And so that that's one benefit. 
You know, what to have, all that

1114
01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:48,600
excess weight in your pack 
because you don't have to carry 

1115
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,800
anything if you choose not to. 
I mean, literally we were 

1116
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,400
bringing water and then the 
brick and the brick was 

1117
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,800
something that we didn't have to
have like you said, but we just 

1118
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,000
prefer to have it. 
So literally just the water 

1119
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,700
weight, which is not that much 
comparatively. 

1120
01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:05,100
And then we didn't ever feel 
like we were depleted. 

1121
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:08,800
So from a western hunting, you 
know, out in the mountains at 

1122
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,400
elevation. 
You know, hiking up and down 

1123
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:14,600
with a weighted pack gun, 
etcetera, Etc. 

1124
01:02:14,700 --> 01:02:18,300
I feel like being in a fat that 
Penn State is just a clear-cut 

1125
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:21,300
winner between that and being 
carved dependent having to stop 

1126
01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:22,700
every two or three hours to eat 
something. 

1127
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,200
Right, I could never see myself 
going back to a standard 

1128
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:34,500
American diet, hunter or not. 
But in particular for events 

1129
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:37,200
like this, I don't see why you 
would want to do it. 

1130
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,500
Any other way. 
Amen to that, man. 

1131
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:42,600
Well, I've got to I've got your 
links that you mentioned earlier

1132
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,000
for the, for the museum. 
I'll make sure those get in the 

1133
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,400
show notes and again, brother 
will do this again, will get in 

1134
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,300
a hunt on the books and I 
sincerely look forward to the 

1135
01:02:51,308 --> 01:02:53,700
next one. 
Hopefully we will, we will get 

1136
01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:58,300
our For next time. 
Okay, my gold, my fitness goals 

1137
01:02:58,300 --> 01:03:01,500
have slightly adjusted, and I'm 
sure you're going to prove. 

1138
01:03:01,500 --> 01:03:04,400
I'm going to make this contract 
external accountability, right? 

1139
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,400
This is why you do these things.
So, you know, my 50th birthday 

1140
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,300
is coming up on in September, 
September 29th. 

1141
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:19,800
And so, I'm adjusting my date a 
forward a little bit. 

1142
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,900
I think doing something in 
conjunction with my 50th 

1143
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:25,200
birthday. 
So what I'm saying is I'm saying

1144
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:29,800
to you live is, you know, I'm 
going to look to you and your 

1145
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,000
advice to help start trimming 
back down to a single digit body

1146
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,700
fat on, or about my 50th 
birthday, which is September 

1147
01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:39,700
29th. 
So, we kind of want to 

1148
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,300
competition stage then. 
Yeah. 

1149
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:43,700
Why not right. 
I like it. 

1150
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:44,800
I like it. 
I might not. 

1151
01:03:44,900 --> 01:03:47,900
Hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be in 
that that perfect sweet spot 

1152
01:03:47,900 --> 01:03:50,800
where I'm going to go into the 
Masters category, but I'll be 

1153
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,800
the youngest Masters up there. 
So, Esther's categories, it 

1154
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,800
starts at 35 years old so you 
can compete in the open you can 

1155
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:02,600
compete in the Masters 35 + + 
Masters 40-plus, Masters 45 + + 

1156
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,200
& Masters 50-plus, so you can 
just come home with all kinds of

1157
01:04:05,207 --> 01:04:08,200
Hardware, doesn't matter. 
It's the journey. 

1158
01:04:08,300 --> 01:04:10,100
Yeah. 
It's the journey between now and

1159
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:13,200
then that's what's important. 
So I look forward to it. 

1160
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,400
Well, I do is well, man. 
Let's just let's be in contact 

1161
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,900
about that. 
Will get you down then and get 

1162
01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:21,300
you ready to rumble brother. 
Our brother. 

1163
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:22,800
Take care, Michael. 
Have a good one.