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Well, hello there, ladies and 
gents Robert Sykes keto 

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Savage.com. 
And today I have special guests,

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Anthony Kunkel on the line, 
Anthony is an ultramarathon 

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Runner. 
He is a beast when it comes to 

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Endurance Sports. 
We talk about is fueling 

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Trinity. 
Be talked about how he recovers 

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from these long runs and makes 
it a sustainable Endeavor. 

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We talked about all kinds of 
things. 

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All things running, we talk 
about the shoes, he wears we 

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talk about it all. 
So if you're interested in 

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Endurance Sports, if you're 
interested in ultra marathon 

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running, this is your podcast 
without further do is sit back, 

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relax and enjoy the show. 
With Anthony. 

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And William Eden. 
How are you man? 

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Real good. 
Real good Sunshine again. 

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Like it always is here and 
little gimpy this week, but 

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everything's good. 
Yeah, you get a you got an 

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injury that you were telling 
about, right? 

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Yeah. 
I'm dealing with some kind of 

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mystery. 
I mean, the good news is, I 

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don't get running injuries but 
then the bad news is when I get 

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injuries I can't just Google 
them or ask a physical therapist

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because it's like really odd. 
The strange stuff. 

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So you know, once you once you 
don't, you know, once you're 

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Bulletproof on achilles 
tendonitis or, you know, it band

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problems or stress fractures or 
what have you then that you 

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don't know. 
I mean, when something goes 

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wrong, it's not you're no longer
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and so your, your problems are 
really odd and so I have some 

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little muscle like probably 
something that stabilizes my 

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toes or maybe flexes my toes is 
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it's gonna get torn off the bone
this week and so I'm I'm getting

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some cross training in and do a 
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hopefully I'll be back to the 
grind next week. 

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Well I wanted to have deep in 
his main because I don't know 

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that much about ultra running to
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You obviously not know a lot 
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So kind of give us some 
background man, like what got 

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you into running the first 
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I just give me some back story 
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Yeah yeah definitely. 
Yeah you'll have to back me up 

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because I definitely have 
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at this point in my life I think
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I think I decided this is this 
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much of my life doing as 
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And so, you know, after well, 
over a decade of that, I think 

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I've done it, you know, like 
talking to Runners about running

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all the time. 
So bat me up and clarify stuff 

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as we need to because I'll 
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my four years in exercise 
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So, I tend to forget that 
people, we're not all Jim 

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Majors, you know? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, I think you do tend to 

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self-select, right? 
You gravitate towards stuff that

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that you're good at and the 
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especially as you get into the 
real long stuff, there's just an

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endless number of talents. 
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that are totally built for it 
perfectly but just have 

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horrible, fiber type or have 
high prevalence of injury or you

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could you could have a really 
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and it really poor, you know, 
really poor metabolism or really

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poor control over your day. 
Or you could just be a soft 

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person, maybe, you know, where 
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know, drawing on drawing on some
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And so there's a lot of talents 
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longer and longer and I ran a 
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Like cross-country, mmm, and 
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I just kind of played around it.
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playing at skate parks, but also
just getting to, and from there 

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and it definitely helped me 
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And I've always been a pretty No
easily, obsessed person. 

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I guess. 
My my like father's side of the 

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family, all the men and my you 
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See my father And Buddy on his 
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A lot of just like addiction and
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really tight a Tendencies. 
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respecting that part of me, you 
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you can be a serious athlete and
probably get somewhere or you 

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can be a successful businessman 
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you know, you can, you can be an
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like that offer was kind of 
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You know, I wasn't able to 
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kid, but I think I saw that that
was kind of on the table for me.

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something. 
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started, I was kind of thinking,
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in the United States Military 
Academy for the Army growing up.

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You know, growing up moving a 
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independently of my parents. 
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I mean, loads military, military
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And so, you know, when my father
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father aren't military. 
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involves moving every three 
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that's normal. 
That's what people do. 

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So I was kind of like military 
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you know wasn't military and so 
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and always always, you know, 
find something new and need 

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something to identify with and 
is at some point, I got it in my

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head that I really didn't like 
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You know, people that were 
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coasting and it was, I don't 
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struggle with Nia. 
Ilysm, probably of just like, 

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you know, nothing matters and 
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And people are just wasting 
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passionate. 
Nobody's nobody's all in on 

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anything. 
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dream was largely just to 
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I figured if I got into 
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selective that I would you know 
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I'd be around people that were 
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driven as myself. 
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there it was like, okay, I need 
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try out for cross country and 
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Varsity right away. 
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a joke. 
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I was like a, you know, 16 flat 
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school and so that's, that's 
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I mean, it at the time, it felt 
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really competitive area and I 
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good. 
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year I realized no The national 
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solid. 
That's like I, you know, by the 

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time I realized I could run D1, 
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died. 
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D1 and my coaching was so 
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figured out and I didn't want to
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coach and I just didn't trust 
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reading a lot like reading 
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And first it was like Roger 
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person to get under four minutes
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academic, he was like, you know,
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There's no reason I can't break 
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went at it. 
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everybody said, hey, you know 
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to die. 
Or hey, something something's 

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going to go wrong. 
You can't do that. 

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He's like you know the writing's
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That's kind of where I am right 
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record. 
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like okay I can coach myself and
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you gravitate towards what 
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much better 10K Runner against 
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then I was 5K. 
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it got longer the durability 
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kind of play with your mind 
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And it was less about raw talent
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towards that. 
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the longest distance isn't like 
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they don't ever exceed like a 5k
really, right? 

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Correct. 
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So what was your first foray 
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it just something like a local 
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then found that you Updated and 
you perform pretty well and 

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underhand. 
That transition happen. 

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Yeah, my local Turkey Trot, 
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so I realized like, oh man, this
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the 5K last weekend and now I 
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the 10K. 
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happen? 
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marathon at 18 and it went 
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I just I didn't do anything. 
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that Gingrich is the guy's name 
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town over. 
Over for me, and he's a freaking

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Legend in his own right. 
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to this race huff, and it's a 
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I had never really run and it 
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run in serious, know like that. 
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So it was a it was just a little
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You know about 5 miles long with
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Well, so I'll just use after my 
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50k and it went equally 
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But, you know, six hours later. 
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A crippled old but I definitely 
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Okay, well, that wasn't 
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learned some stuff and really 
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I mean my driving force for the 
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know, I was going to be the best
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or win national championships. 
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what it felt like to run hard 
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like you were psychologically to
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four hours. 
You know, what does that feel 

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like? 
It's it's one thing to race 

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somebody for 15 minutes or 20 
minutes or down the block but to

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to be out there for hours and 
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I mean, what does that feel 
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And that was really my driving 
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sensations and the Ecology of 
kind of going there, you know? 

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Yeah. 
Feel like, you know, I've never 

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run an ultra of that. 
I've ran a marathon just on a 

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whim and it's kind of crazy man.
Like running distances. 

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I mean it I feel like Ultras the
ultra sport has definitely grown

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in popularity momentum here 
lately because back in the day 

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it was like you were in a 
marathon that's like the upper 

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echelon. 
Like that's the elite and now 

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they just keep getting longer 
and longer and longer and like 

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the mental fortitude in the 
drive that goes into running, a 

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distance that long. 
I mean, it's totally it. 

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A mind game. 
Absolutely. 

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But I don't know, man. 
It's crazy from like a like a 

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training and a conditioning and 
fueling standpoint. 

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What are some differences that 
that you're seeing and 

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incorporating? 
You know, with with the tin case

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that used to run versus the 50 
case and be on the run right 

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now? 
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of, you know, thankfully. 
You figure it out as you go 

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along, right? 
Things go things, go horribly 

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wrong or maybe they go, right? 
You know, when you figure out 

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what works too but you kind of 
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There's not a lot of data and, 
you know, certainly in 2010, 

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there's a lot less mentorship. 
I mean, I would have read any 

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book that was out and there 
weren't any not really there 

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were, you know, two or three of 
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Hmm. 
And and so there wasn't a lot of

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guidance, which was good because
you've been kind of getting kind

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of cut your own path and make 
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And so I had, I had the blessing
of I was going through 

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vocational school for personal 
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counseling and I had a to 
instructors. 

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Actually, that just said man you
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carbs is the dumbest thing ever.
You guys. 

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You guys are idiots. 
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metabolism and get in diving 
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that extreme type of person that
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the first place. 
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I'm going to go high fat like 
let's just go keep it Janet, you

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know, carbs if carbs aren't 
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them. 
Let's just get rid of them 

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totally and see what happens and
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early, 2011 and instantly like 
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probably like hormonal. 
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at fragile age anyway, but just 
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First, I mean more than anything
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the world and the physical 
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and letting the weekly volume 
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I mean, like, Senior year of 
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at 60 first year out of high 
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weeks at 80 and that was a good 
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Leave it about 80 a week was was
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one-off week here, there at 100 
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It kind of grows. 
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the guys that tippy-top are 
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miles a week so I know at some 
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physically I'm just I'm going to
let my body mature and slowly 

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take my time to get into that 
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age is 30 or 35, depending on 
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these real real long races. 
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about like six days races, where
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even when you start talking 
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that sort of thing and yeah. 
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That said, okay I'm going to 
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a week, you know every winner 
every other winner for the next 

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10 years, and I'm going to see 
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And so now we're kind of at the 
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just trivial gains after trivial
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rather the race, sometimes the 
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doesn't. 
Sometimes you learn a big 

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lesson, sometimes you learn a 
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Sometimes you don't learn 
anything because everything goes

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right and you win and it's 
effortless and everything. 

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Good. 
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world it looks like a rockier, 
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approach than it has been a 
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It's it feels to me like it's 
been smooth sailing since I was 

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about 19. 
So like with the training I feel

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like a lot of people probably 
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There's or so that I've been 
hopping around but oh, I lost it

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for a second. 
What was that last thing you 

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said? 
Yeah. 

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You good. 
What was that last thing you 

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said? 
Yeah. 

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Weekly volume and long-term 
goal. 

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Catchy, I feel, I feel like a 
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you know, Ultra long distance 
running. 

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They just, they go at it too 
quickly. 

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They try to push themselves 
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maturity would allow, and they 
wind up just having serious 

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injuries sustained. 
Because, like, I didn't, I 

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didn't realize the peak, like a 
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performing at the highest level 
or in their forties. 

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I didn't know that. 
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I mean, especially, like, the 
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Late, July July, 22nd to the 
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elite 6-day race that starts 
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will be thrown, it'll be it'll 
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And I think, and Joe fiji's will
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And Bob Kearns like 55, I think 
Joe fiji's is late, forties. 

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I'm pretty sure. 
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not throwing down in a masters 
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Like these guys are the best in 
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Wow, that's crazy. 
And you think that's because 

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they've just sustained that 
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year after year like they didn't
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They just gradually scaled it 
up. 

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It wasn't a night and day. 
You know, changed. 

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I've almost I'm going to run an 
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have to start logging 100-plus 
miles a week. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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It's definitely it's a certain 
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maturity, right? 
Like a 45 year old can go on an 

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hour of sleep or 30 minutes of 
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Much easier than a 20 year old, 
can, you know? 

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And so yeah, there's a little 
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I mean that that's probably half
of it really is just the 

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physical maturity of being a 
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And you know, you gain more 
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I mean, some of it is some of it
is wisdom like that. 

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But by a true definition of 
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times like you've hurt enough 
times and done anyway, and you 

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just, you just don't care 
anymore. 

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You're like this doesn't even 
register anymore. 

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And so, yeah, I mean you can you
can appreciate At that in your 

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world. 
It's like when you know when 

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you're doing a set of 10 or 20 
squats in your hearts pounding 

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out of your chest, it's like you
go to a place where a certain 

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amount of wisdom can save you 
from even having to consider how

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hard it is, you know. 
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And I think over it over like a 
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72-hour event, you know, some of
these events it's like you'll go

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72 hours and you won't stop. 
I mean, you, you won't, you 

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won't sleep. 
You won't change shoes. 

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You won't in a perfect world. 
You won't stop me. 

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You won't stop to pee. 
You'll just piss yourself. 

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Or whatever whatever and it's 
like you're going and going and 

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going and you'll walk and eat 
and you'll excuse me. 

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Ellen. 
And so that's that's pretty wild

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man. 
It does blow my mind. 

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Like I've been I had Zach bit on
the podcast and we were talking 

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about you know some of the 
records he's broken and it just 

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like the the pace the distance 
the time. 

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I mean it blows my mind with a 
human body is capable of from 

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like an ultra running 
standpoint. 

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Like it just seems inhuman but I
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Amazing. 
So like for you, you know, at 

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what point does it start getting
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Like at what point is, is, you 
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zone. 
Well, so I'm much closer to 

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stack in the ultra world. 
And I am a lot of people that 

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get a lot of attention, at least
in America where you know you 

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have like you know people that 
are doing 200 mile races or 100 

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mile races in the mountains and 
it's you know, where course 

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record is 16 or 17 hours. 
That's like a totally different 

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sport than People that are doing
Six-Day event on the track or 

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the people that are doing, you 
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you know, thousand thousand km 
distance, kind of stuff like 

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that, where it's sleep, 
deprivation and just structural 

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stability and other other 
logistical stuff that ends up 

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mattering more than any kind of 
oxygen, absorption, or raw 

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measures of Fitness that we 
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least. 
And so it's like it's like a 

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whole different. 
There's Sports in the sporting, 

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a 50k on the road, takes me less
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day. 
Day, you know, that's, that's 

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nothing compared to someone 
that's going to take 72 hours of

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sleep, deprivation, and food 
management and skin management 

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and all that, right? 
So it's like a totally different

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different ballgame. 
So, with that, in mind, what the

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point where it gets hard is 
different on each race? 

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I mean, I've definitely found 
that You know, I'm just now 

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getting in my late twenties and 
28 right now. 

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And that's a good thing. 
I mean that's that's you know 

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both because I've stacked up 
more training and because my 

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body's a little more mature just
on its own timeline that I will 

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hopefully handle hundred K 
better than I ever have but what

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I find is you know 40 miles 45 
miles is money. 

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You know about about 5 hours is 
an awesome day for me. 

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I can I can really really race 
for a five hour event once you 

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start trickling into like six 
hours. 

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It it weighs because it's really
really breaking down. 

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But that said, you don't think 
about quitting in the last hour.

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You don't think about major 
problems in the last hour, 

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you're going to make it. 
I mean, it's going to happen 

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whether you slow down, or speed 
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really, it's not that dark, it's
more of a physical thing. 

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It's more like a running a 5k 
where it's, like, you know, the 

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pains there and it hurts. 
And it's like, you're just going

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to have to hold this screening 
baby for an hour, right? 

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You're just gonna have to be 
uncomfortable for an hour and 

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that's that's just that I mean, 
it's gonna happen. 

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Whereas the earlier section 
usually somewhere somewhere in 

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there almost 15 maybe 20 miles 
in to an event where you realize

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like, oh man or maybe even the 
marathon Mark as late as the 

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marathon Mark we're like dude I 
feel like garbage. 

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It's like well yeah dude you 
just ran a marathon look just 

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because you're running two of 
them today. 

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Doesn't mean, doesn't mean that 
running a marathon especially 

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fast Marathon. 
You know, step 3 hour marathon 

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is not gonna hurt you, you know 
just because you got it in your 

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mind that you're going to Run 
farther doesn't doesn't detract 

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anything from the raw objective 
reality of it. 

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And so, usually have a point in 
that, like, 15 to 25 mile range.

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Usually a little on the earlier 
end of that where you just like 

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you're just hoping for an injury
or you're just hoping for you 

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know, something to go 
catastrophically wrong because 

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you You're intimidated, you 
know, you're intimidated by how 

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much is left and how far you've 
come already and you feel like 

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you shouldn't hurt as bad as you
do. 

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But you're going to I mean, it's
going to hurt, it's not going to

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feel great all the time. 
And usually, once I can get over

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that, you know, I'll take a 
Vespa. 

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If you're familiar with them, 
I'll take a Vespa and then, you 

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know, 20 minutes later followed 
with a with the gel. 

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And then, you know, all the 
calories are going and ketones 

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are flowing. 
All the cylinders are open by. 

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I usually like my all 20 22 and 
then I feel great then it's 

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like, all right, we've come far.
After the body is just 

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automatically doing its thing 
and much more Flow State like so

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usually the Crux of it for me 
mentally, is that earlier part 

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once? 
Once I can get into it, I'm less

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worried about it even even when 
I'm not into it enough where I 

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can start counting down, you 
know, let's use a 50-miler as an

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example. 
You can't really start counting 

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down until at least Mi 35 maybe 
mile 40 you know where there's 

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there's a reasonable run. 
Left you like a 10-mile run it's

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reasonable Health saying okay 
we've come 30 Mi now we only 

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have 20 miles left. 
You don't ever want to think 

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that every yeah. 
Yeah. 

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I think that's that's why they 
say like when you're running a 

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marathon, like if that's the 
total distance, you get to mile 

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marker 20s when like it really 
starts, wearing on people, 

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mentally. 
Yeah, and physically, I mean as 

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you can appreciate you know it. 
Once you're once your two hours 

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in and your your glycogen is 
Tapped Out, you can't eat quick 

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enough to replace 100 percent of
the calories you're burning. 

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I mean, you can't eat quick 
enough to replace half of them 

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unless you're running really 
slowly. 

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Yeah. 
So that's that's what the fat 

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metabolism comes in. 
I mean, the the ability to 

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really, really metabolize fat is
absolutely King. 

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And in my book, for the people 
who aren't you know, Zach and I 

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think Zach, would I be okay? 
Identifying, this too is like me

446
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,200
and Zach. 
Aren't talented. 

447
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,100
Like, if anything I had more 
Talent than Zach does, probably.

448
00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:54,700
I mean, raw measurable talent, 
but, you know, he's smart, he's 

449
00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:58,000
tough as shit. 
I mean, act like he's really 

450
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,100
gritty, I mean, seriously, 
ready? 

451
00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:03,700
And you know, you can, you can 
overcome a lot of that just by 

452
00:22:03,700 --> 00:22:06,700
being smarter by being 
disciplined and really playing 

453
00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:10,000
with your diet and figuring out 
what works and what doesn't and 

454
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,300
getting a certain amount of it's
less, about fat metabolism per 

455
00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:17,800
se, and more about metabolic. 
If I, you know, if there's a 

456
00:22:17,808 --> 00:22:21,500
phrase that I gravitate to, if 
you're eating moderate card, you

457
00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:24,500
can't burn fat at all. 
You know, if you're eating 40%, 

458
00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:26,400
your calories today, from 
carbohydrate your ability to 

459
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,100
metabolize. 
Fat is like nil like negligible,

460
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,700
right? 
At least like you know psych 

461
00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:35,500
cyclical Quito and things like 
that. 

462
00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:39,700
Even fasted runs as we found out
in some of the studies here are 

463
00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:44,000
the benefit is very its peanuts 
compared to really really fat 

464
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,000
adapting compared to really 
really get Getting, you know, 60

465
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,700
70 percent of your calories from
fat. 

466
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,500
And then a lot of the remainder 
from protein for at least 

467
00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:53,700
certain periods of time, you 
know, a couple weeks in the 

468
00:22:53,700 --> 00:22:56,800
offseason things like that and 
then depending on your event 

469
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,100
will determine how much you 
need. 

470
00:22:58,100 --> 00:23:01,000
But man, that fat metabolism is 
absolutely King. 

471
00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:03,400
Yeah. 
See, I don't, I mean, I've never

472
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,500
run an ultra obviously, I don't 
have that perspective, but when 

473
00:23:06,508 --> 00:23:09,800
I run that Marathon like I 
didn't have any training for 

474
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,600
which probably wasn't the wisest
thing either, but I did it all 

475
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,900
fasted and I didn't have any 
gels or anything. 

476
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,400
You know, carbohydrates 
throughout the entire run, 

477
00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:20,900
nothing like that at all. 
But I never felt like I hit a 

478
00:23:20,908 --> 00:23:24,300
wall from a fuel standpoint. 
I felt totally fine energy-wise,

479
00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:27,500
completely fine. 
I was hurting from like a 

480
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,400
conditioning standpoint my feet.
We're just not condition for 

481
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,500
putting those kind of miles, and
absolutely. 

482
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,100
I've got a real bad 
overpronation man you have any 

483
00:23:37,100 --> 00:23:38,400
experience with that like are 
you? 

484
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,100
You're probably much more 
structurally sound than me from 

485
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,600
running standpoint but my 
overpronation just kills my 

486
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:51,200
ankles when I'm running. 
Yeah, I'm not sure. 

487
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,300
I mean, you can either play with
running form and I tend to be 

488
00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:57,000
much more under the hippie end 
of things of like, you know, 

489
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,600
there's a reason all your 
ancestors weren't eaten by lions

490
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,600
or whatever, you know, stars 
because they couldn't catch the 

491
00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:05,900
deer or the mammoth or whatever.
It's like your feet are probably

492
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:09,600
fine, you know, if thankfully 
I'm not a doctor so I can't, I 

493
00:24:09,608 --> 00:24:10,700
don't have any skin in this 
game. 

494
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:14,200
I can't lose my, my licensure 
for, you know, spouting hippie 

495
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,300
propaganda here. 
But man, your body's probably We

496
00:24:17,300 --> 00:24:19,800
perfect your body wants to run. 
Your body is constantly 

497
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,800
struggling to be robustly, 
healthy and bulletproof and I 

498
00:24:23,808 --> 00:24:27,400
believe that. 
And so I think we've, you know, 

499
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,600
pronation wasn't even a word, 
you know, outside of outside of 

500
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,100
like this Labs at the Army 
against not even Fizz laughs at 

501
00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:38,100
that point outside of anatomy 
and is until we had a way to 

502
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:40,200
correct it. 
You know, it wasn't, it wasn't 

503
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,000
part of what Runners talked 
about until we had shoes that 

504
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,700
quote, unquote, corrected it. 
So I would be interested to see 

505
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,300
You know, balance or get your 
own balance cushion or CC. 

506
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,500
Like you have arches. 
Are your feet flat. 

507
00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:54,600
I'm pretty flat footed. 
Yeah. 

508
00:24:55,500 --> 00:24:57,400
Yeah. 
Because I'd be interested to see

509
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,800
what we could do over, you know,
a two to three month period of 

510
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,000
building up, some serious foot 
strength on you because you 

511
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000
definitely find that a lot of 
people can build an ark out of a

512
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,100
flat foot, some people can't, 
but you might even shrink your 

513
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:12,400
shoe size because your arch is 
pulling your bones all back 

514
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,000
together. 
And if you don't at least you 

515
00:25:14,008 --> 00:25:16,800
can strengthen some of those, 
some of those lower leg, you 

516
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,000
know, um, that proprioception 
and and what category going on 

517
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,500
down there. 
So what kind of exercise do you 

518
00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:24,900
incorporate for targeting the 
foot specifically? 

519
00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:29,900
Like that now, man not enough, I
think that's why I'm dealing 

520
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:32,000
with what I have right now. 
I really think if I were to 

521
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,100
spend more time on just it, you 
know, the like memory foam, kind

522
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:38,800
of balance pillows. 
Yeah, I'm a big fan of those. 

523
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,300
I think just just spending a 
little bit of time standing on 

524
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:45,200
that or doing like a like an R 
DL to a running stance, if you 

525
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,000
can even visualize that, you 
know, To get, you know, go down 

526
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,300
right hand touches the left foot
that you're balancing on and 

527
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:55,200
then stand up into into a like a
running man and doing do 

528
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,500
movements like that to develop 
some glute activation while also

529
00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:01,700
building, just a lot of 
proprioception in that lower leg

530
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:04,900
and in through the hip even, 
it's really hard to beat that. 

531
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:07,400
It's a very systemic and it lets
your body, lets your nervous 

532
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,000
system takes care, take care of 
things, and kind of tap into 

533
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,600
your own, your own body's 
wisdom. 

534
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,800
Instead of trying to stick a 
bandaid where it hurts, you 

535
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,100
know, on that subject of Found 
that like, a lot of Runners are,

536
00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:21,500
it's kind of like divided, a lot
of Runners are, you know, all 

537
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:25,300
for the Fancy Shoes with the 
correct, you know, correction 

538
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:28,600
points like the, you know, the 
the cushions all that stuff that

539
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:31,200
to get everything balanced and 
fix where a lot of Runners 

540
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,800
gravitate towards the minimalist
style, shoes and Q. 

541
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,600
We're just allows your body to 
do, whatever it would naturally 

542
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,000
do. 
Definitely. 

543
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:40,900
That's kind of what you're 
opting for as well. 

544
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,000
Yeah, and I'm sure some of that 
is my own bias, right? 

545
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,700
Mean, I've kind of self selected
for this sport, you know, and my

546
00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:52,200
like I said there's a lot of 
talents in this sport you know 

547
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,900
in my case, the first talent 
that I have more than anything 

548
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:57,300
else. 
Is I'm freaking bulletproof. 

549
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:59,900
I mean, this this modified week 
right here, right in want to 

550
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:03,600
take off, you know, 120 miles. 
I wanted to run through this. 

551
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,800
This is the third time that I've
ever modified training in my 

552
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,300
life at least in my adult life. 
Hmm. 

553
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,600
So it's, you know, I'm, I've 
missed whatever six weeks of 

554
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,700
training out of well, over a 
decade is what we're getting at.

555
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:19,300
And it's like so clearly I'm 
bulletproof mean. 

556
00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:21,600
I've known that I've known that 
I can train with anybody in the 

557
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,000
world basically because I'm just
I'm durable. 

558
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,200
My body will always come back 
for more and then I you know you

559
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,800
bring in you bring in a lot of 
fat application and that brings 

560
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,000
that to the next level already 
and then you bring in certain 

561
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,700
like very intentional 
carbohydrate in there and that 

562
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:39,900
brings it to another level as 
well. 

563
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:45,100
So you know I'm certain that I'm
a bit biased just because my 

564
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:47,500
personal Ben that I'm just 
bulletproof. 

565
00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:50,300
And so that that probably leads 
to some of what you're 

566
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:54,300
describing of some athletes are 
all about, you know, the big 

567
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:57,100
chunky, ho cos and some athletes
are all about the super minimal 

568
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:58,900
stuff. 
I'm sure a certain aspect is 

569
00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:02,900
that but I don't know. 
I mean there has to be a truth 

570
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:05,400
somewhere in there and I tend to
think it's kind of like the 

571
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,100
metabolic flexibility question 
of. 

572
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:10,000
I can always take a pair of 
Hogan has take them out of the 

573
00:28:10,008 --> 00:28:13,700
box and put them on it miles, 70
100 Miler and if my feet are 

574
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:15,400
screwed, those are going to help
still. 

575
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:19,500
Mmm, I can't do the same with 
the opposite, you know, if my, 

576
00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:22,100
if my low back hurts because 
I've been in Ho cos I can't 

577
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,600
change out a hose and put on 
Luna sandals and then just click

578
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,300
and then be fine, right? 
It doesn't work that way. 

579
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,600
So it is almost a metabolic 
flexibility thing of as you get 

580
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,400
older, as you get more beat up 
during an event acutely. 

581
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,800
As you, you know, what have you,
you can always add more cushion.

582
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,600
You can always add more shoot. 
You can always add more 

583
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,400
correction Orthotics on. 
You can always add those four 

584
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,300
back. 
It takes much of to take them 

585
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:47,600
away. 
That's kind of my angle shoes 

586
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,500
and Footwear, and in really 
life, I guess, right? 

587
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:53,700
Is strip everything away until 
until it's absolutely the 

588
00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:56,100
minimum that you can get by. 
And then, you know, as you get 

589
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,000
older and you want to be more 
comfortable than you, add 

590
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,600
things. 
That's a good point. 

591
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,200
I've been trying to do that with
my foot where, I mean, I run 

592
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,200
pretty much every day just as a 
not like any hardcore training, 

593
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,100
just as a way to meditate more 
anything. 

594
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,800
But yeah, I'll try an alternate 
days with like a more cushion 

595
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,200
shoe versus more of a minimalist
shoe that way. 

596
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,800
My body doesn't get acclimated 
to To the easier of the two, you

597
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,500
know, man, that's beautiful. 
That's that's like the first bit

598
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:23,000
of advice that I give people is 
alternating shoes. 

599
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,000
Not just like a trail shoe on 
trails in the Rhode show on 

600
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,300
roads, but alternate shoes and 
the more miles, you're running 

601
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:30,900
the more shoe you need. 
I mean, I will do I really like 

602
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:34,400
running twice a day. 
So I will, I will seriously do 

603
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,200
six different pairs of shoes in 
3 days. 

604
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,600
So let's talk about shoes 
because I mean that's pretty 

605
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,100
much the gear, the Running 
World. 

606
00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:44,600
What do you recommend? 
Like I guess it depends somewhat

607
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,000
on the person's you know, 
Anatomy. 

608
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,600
But like, what are what's a good
all-around, beginner shoe? 

609
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,500
I like Ultras lineup, still, I 
think they've gotten a little 

610
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:57,700
bit clunkier and appealing to 
where the markets going, which 

611
00:29:57,700 --> 00:30:00,900
makes sense, but I don't know if
that's a step in the right 

612
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:03,000
direction. 
Necessarily altruistic, good 

613
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,500
company. 
They've, they've lost their 

614
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,500
Roots, I guess a little bit as 
well, but, you know, that 

615
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:10,700
they're, they're a great place 
to start. 

616
00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:14,800
I think, still for most people 
being a zero drop platform and 

617
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,000
having having some cushion on 
them still, that's a really good

618
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,300
place to start for a lot of 
people. 

619
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,000
But yeah, I mean, There's 
nothing wrong with going into a 

620
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,800
running specialty store and 
seeing what they what they tell 

621
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,900
you and getting those shoes into
the rotation. 

622
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:31,200
But I'm all about taking shoes 
1,000 miles to thousand miles, 

623
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,300
just beat the hell out of them. 
And, you know, as quick as that 

624
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:38,000
shoe changes and losses. 
Support your body's changing to,

625
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,700
you know, over the course of 
three hundred miles. 

626
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:42,000
Your body is adapting way more 
than that shoes changing. 

627
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,400
So yeah, having having a lot of 
different shoes and rotating 

628
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,900
them in and out and learning. 
I think learning what gives you 

629
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:52,500
certain pain. 
Pains and what gives you certain

630
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:57,400
relief and and really specifying
that putting putting a label on 

631
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,400
that or keeping track of your 
shoes in a running log and 

632
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,300
seeing hey, you know, I've had, 
I've had stuff like that where 

633
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:07,900
it's man, I had posterior tibial
pain for like two years, and 

634
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:10,100
I've been really figured out 
that it's there were two pairs 

635
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:13,000
of shoes and every time it was 
like 48 hours. 

636
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,700
After I wore them, I would have 
posterior tib pain. 

637
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:19,400
Now, 48 hours after I might be 
in any number of 10 or 15 

638
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,200
different pairs of shoes. 
So, if I only log do that and 

639
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,800
wasn't really looking at it, I 
wouldn't have known. 

640
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:27,700
And then once I figured that 
out, boom, I took a season out 

641
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:30,300
of those shoes and there we 
were, we were totally square. 

642
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:33,700
And then I haven't had pain 
since and it's like the, the 

643
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:35,500
meticulous logging of 
everything. 

644
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,600
That's one of those things that 
that will get me more training. 

645
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,800
That will net me more training 
and then we'll make me a faster 

646
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,200
runner and long term, and it has
nothing to do with anything I 

647
00:31:44,208 --> 00:31:45,800
can measure in the lab. 
Right? 

648
00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:50,000
So that's, that's kind of one of
those angles to and yeah, I 

649
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,400
mean, You start in one spot, you
figure out what you like, but 

650
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,700
there's nothing wrong with. 
That's probably the most 

651
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:58,400
marketable view that I have is, 
there's nothing wrong with 

652
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,600
having ten different pairs of 
shoes that are drastically 

653
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,000
different, and then every six 
months, just take a look at your

654
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,100
quiver issues and say, you know?
Yeah, I've gotten a little 

655
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:08,500
softer. 
Yeah, I've gotten a little 

656
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:11,700
minimal, this block and let's, 
let's throw in, you know, let's 

657
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:14,300
make sure the next two pairs of 
shoes are the opposite of that 

658
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:16,400
and balancing it all out. 
I like it. 

659
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,000
I like it. 
You ever earned those like five 

660
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,500
finger super Minimalist Shoes. 
Absolutely, man, I just beat up 

661
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:27,000
a pair of mine that I got. 
Those not like to give you crazy

662
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,100
shin splints or anything. 
Unless what I have is a shin 

663
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:34,600
splint right now, just a 
crippling Elite version of shin 

664
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,200
splints. 
I don't know that I've ever 

665
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,600
really had that since, like high
school that tends to be a tends 

666
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,400
to be a beginner problem or when
you read begin. 

667
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,600
So, if I'm going to have Shin 
pain like that, you know, 

668
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,300
compartment syndrome, or what we
would all categorize, these 

669
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,000
shrimps, once, all that stuff. 
It'd be like in the next week 

670
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000
after I take this week out of 
running, it be you know, Monday 

671
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,400
or heck. 
I have a good workout next 

672
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,700
Wednesday. 
Hopefully, then reading feels 

673
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:58,900
good. 
That's when you end up a little 

674
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:00,200
bit more. 
Step to do that stuff. 

675
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,000
But because I maintain my volume
so much. 

676
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,800
You know, like I said, this is 
the third time ever that I've 

677
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,200
had to modify training because I
just maintain my sick volume all

678
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,500
the time. 
I don't ever have the injuries 

679
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:12,400
like that. 
Got you got you? 

680
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:15,700
What about like, icing or using 
like, Saint or anything like 

681
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:17,400
that for injury prevention? 
You do any of that? 

682
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:20,400
Oh, absolutely. 
Yeah, contrast contrast is 

683
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,300
impossible to be, I think they 
can, I think, while the 

684
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:27,300
scientists argue about the 
benefits of, you know, icing or 

685
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:30,400
heat or whatever, or try to The 
mechanisms behind at the 

686
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,700
athletes that are using it are 
going to keep winning. 

687
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:36,100
So so what's the protocol look 
like for you like you finish 

688
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:37,300
your run. 
What what? 

689
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:40,900
What happens? 
So I use Sonic space, there's 

690
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:42,600
the best. 
I mean, I don't I'd like to have

691
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,700
a more precise or articulate 
word but they're the best mean 

692
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:49,100
if they're they're measured to 
be no EMS and you know 

693
00:33:49,108 --> 00:33:51,100
electromagnetic frequencies 
that's the problem is a lot of 

694
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:52,900
these infrared saunas. 
Look you're sitting in a damn 

695
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:54,700
microwave. 
You're just you're just getting 

696
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:59,100
baked and not a good way and not
thinking, yes. 

697
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:00,500
That they measure all their 
stuff. 

698
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,500
They measure all their stuff. 
So that it's grounded and zero 

699
00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:05,500
EMF. 
And then, and then it's very, 

700
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:08,600
very carefully measured to be 
the right, the right spectrum of

701
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,800
light. 
And so I was instantly drawn to 

702
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,300
them. 
And at this point, I know, I 

703
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:15,100
know Brian, the founder pretty 
well. 

704
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:20,199
We're definitely friends Beyond 
any professional matter and his 

705
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,500
story's pretty cool as well. 
And I've been working with them 

706
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:27,100
since I mean, since just about 
since they've existed, as people

707
00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:28,300
know them. 
Now, at least. 

708
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:32,699
And so I I use their Faraday, 
which is a, it's a total EMF 

709
00:34:32,699 --> 00:34:34,500
blocks. 
It's like, it's like, you're I 

710
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:35,800
don't know what to compare to. 
It's like you're in the bottom 

711
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,600
of the ocean, right? 
You're you're grounded and you 

712
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,699
have the infrared light. 
That's all very selectively 

713
00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:44,300
Chosen and the visible light 
hitting you, and then the whole 

714
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:47,800
box that you're in the hole 
pockets on us, they call it is 

715
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,300
EMF block. 
So the whole thing is as a 

716
00:34:50,308 --> 00:34:53,800
faraday cage so you're not 
getting, you're not getting 

717
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,000
electromagnetic frequencies in 
there and the whole box is 

718
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,200
grounded. 
So you're able to really go in 

719
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,600
there and kind of Set from the 
modern world so I use the hell 

720
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,300
out of that. 
And then my setup at home is I 

721
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:10,000
can clip that for panel that for
bulb infrared panel out of that 

722
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,500
pocket sauna and clip it into an
Incline Trainer. 

723
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:14,600
I'm on the back of my Incline 
Trainer, I have one bulb on the 

724
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,000
front that your quads and your 
knees, and then have the four 

725
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,100
bolts in the back, and then have
an incline trainer. 

726
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:21,000
And then I have a single if you 
can visualize all this. 

727
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,500
I have a single untreated cotton
drop cloth over the whole thing,

728
00:35:24,508 --> 00:35:29,600
so that I can get, it's about 85
Degrees, maybe 90 Bent. 

729
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,900
But because it's infrared it's 
just basically me from the 

730
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:35,000
inside out so it's like a cool 
day in Death Valley there or 

731
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,700
like a, like a cool day up at 
really high altitude or hot 

732
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:40,000
gate, I out to Vegas because 
that's where the sun's really 

733
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,500
strong and that's, that's my big
thing is, I am obsessed with the

734
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:47,200
heat and I had them forever. 
And I think that's most of the 

735
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,700
reason why I haven't been 
injured since I've been 

736
00:35:48,700 --> 00:35:51,500
training. 
Even more, is the heat that I 

737
00:35:51,508 --> 00:35:54,500
use and recently, this block 
I've settled to a protocol of. 

738
00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:58,200
I'll sit I didn't pocket sauna 
or just on my treadmill. 

739
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:01,900
I'll just sit in there. 
And get the get the infrared on 

740
00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:05,000
my quads, on my knees, and get 
it on my backside and on my 

741
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,500
glutes. 
And then I'll turn and get my 

742
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,200
thyroid, my, my heart, my my 
gut, and my dad's, and there's 

743
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,600
benefits for all of these 
things. 

744
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:16,900
So get a nice little bacon there
and then right as I'm about to 

745
00:36:16,908 --> 00:36:20,300
start, you know, start using a 
single drip of sweat, basically,

746
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:23,000
I'll hop out of there and then 
go get my morning session and I 

747
00:36:23,008 --> 00:36:26,500
feel amazing and it's been, it's
been the most pain free Block 

748
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:29,600
that I had truly until this just
freak. 

749
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,700
Lower leg thing recently. 
So you do that as a warm up 

750
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:35,700
basically and then you go on 
your run afterwards. 

751
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:37,700
Yes. 
And there's a lot of research on

752
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:40,900
that, like the prophylactic 
effect, if you're getting all 

753
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:43,000
that going, but you can 
absolutely. 

754
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,900
You cannot beat near-infrared. 
I mean, if you're not using it, 

755
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:48,900
it's got ridiculous research 
behind it. 

756
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:51,900
You know, Juve is the big 
company that pushes all the all 

757
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:54,300
the scientific literature but 
it's not the literature's on 

758
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:57,700
their product and their product 
is just okay, it's fine, but saw

759
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:01,900
no spaces, far superior. 
And then do you like ice after 

760
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:05,000
drones to do the the heat 
therapy before run and then ice 

761
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,500
or what typically typically I'd 
be it'd be sauna for, you know, 

762
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:14,900
10 to 25 minutes beforehand and 
then I'll go out and get my run,

763
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,600
and then I'll get home. 
And in the summer, when it's 

764
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,200
hot, here we have Junction 
Creek, right behind my house. 

765
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,400
So maybe 120 feet off. 
My porch is a creek that's fresh

766
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,900
run off. 
You know, we're talking, we're 

767
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:29,700
talking 40 degrees Fahrenheit or
so, and fresh. 

768
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:33,200
Mountain runoff and the hotter, 
it is the quicker that runs in 

769
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,200
the colder, that is. 
So I'll get my, my legs in there

770
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,500
may be may be baptized in there 
after run and then if I'm 

771
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:43,400
freezing, I'll come back in 
Saint Amour. 

772
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:46,700
And then when I'm sitting around
the house I typically have a 

773
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:51,200
bulb on me you know at least 
maybe maybe six hours a week or 

774
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:56,600
so certainly certainly more than
three hours a week just passive 

775
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,900
you know if I'm answering emails
or something I'll get out there.

776
00:37:58,900 --> 00:38:04,000
Photon which is A single of one 
bulb unit of near-infrared and 

777
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,700
I'll bake that on whatever my 
most concerned area is. 

778
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:09,400
So right now, I'm making my 
lower leg, you know, when we get

779
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,400
off of this with this podcast, 
that's what I'm gonna be doing 

780
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:14,900
going to be like, I'll check an 
e-mail, I'll do some reading and

781
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,400
maybe have a meditation and I'll
sit there with my my broken part

782
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,900
right now, with a ballpoint on 
it and it's huge. 

783
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,500
I mean, the the change in 
turnaround time. 

784
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:28,700
I'd love to have a skeptical 
doctor. 

785
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:30,600
Take a look at me or Or 
something like that. 

786
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,000
I mean, I've had physical 
therapist. 

787
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,900
Tell me this is good weeks and 
then sure enough. 

788
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:40,200
Four weeks later, I'm 100% or 
I'm, you know, winning a race. 

789
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:43,900
Mmm, what about like like 
Mobility like stretching and 

790
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:45,200
stuff like that? 
Do do a lot of stretching or 

791
00:38:45,207 --> 00:38:48,500
anything. 
I'm pretty mobile person, Sunday

792
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,300
know. 
I tend to be, I tend to walk 

793
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:52,800
around way more mobile than I 
need to be for my Sport. 

794
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,400
And so if I was a really tight 
person, I could see 

795
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,900
incorporating a certain amount 
of that. 

796
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,400
But I don't think there's a 
there's a Benefit, once you're 

797
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,900
already mobile, I mean, I did 
some martial arts growing up and

798
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,600
I've just always a teaching 
gymnastics for quite a few 

799
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,000
years. 
And so I've always been 

800
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,300
naturally kind of mobile Beyond 
those two and so I don't, yeah, 

801
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:15,600
I will stretch something. 
If it needs to be stretched to 

802
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,200
know if it really, if it's one 
thing that's that's tense or 

803
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,800
tight or, you know, hip flexors 
I might stretch. 

804
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,000
I do a lot of like mashing, you 
know, the frost ball and I'll 

805
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,900
use a car buffer and I use a. 
So. 

806
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:28,600
Right, which I don't know if you
used one of those. 

807
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,300
They're pretty sick. 
Those are These are pretty 

808
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:33,000
impressive, super simple, but 
they, they're effective. 

809
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,700
Yeah, yeah. 
I'll use that for like Active 

810
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:40,100
Release on just about anything 
and then I do a little bit of 

811
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:42,400
like, Voodoo flossing, and that 
sort of thing. 

812
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,100
But no, no stretching, no Diana 
drills. 

813
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:48,000
No, nothing really where I'm 
targeting. 

814
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,100
Range of motion. 
All right, let's have an 

815
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:51,700
attrition man. 
I'm curious to see what like a 

816
00:39:51,707 --> 00:39:54,500
typical day of eating is like 
with you putting this this type 

817
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:57,100
of volume into the runs like 
what are you typically eating 

818
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,700
from like a macro standpoint but
also just like a sheer cliff. 

819
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,800
Caloric standpoint. 
Yeah, I mean it's it's hard to 

820
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,700
know. 
I tend to have an inverse 

821
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:09,100
relationship with calories and 
training, volume acutely, 

822
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:14,200
meaning on the days where I'm 
doing, you know, 30 or or more 

823
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,600
miles across the day. 
I will have very few calories 

824
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:21,400
because you get all the ketones 
flowing and all the fat cells 

825
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,000
are open and you know, all your 
receptors are at the surface and

826
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,100
I'm just not hungry and then 
beyond that. 

827
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:29,500
It's like I need to train again 
later. 

828
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:31,500
So I don't want to feel 
lethargic and stuff. 

829
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,300
So I tend to have a kind of 
inverse relationship or my days 

830
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:35,900
off for my days were on real 
low. 

831
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:39,800
Just a treadmill session in the 
morning and maybe shake out in 

832
00:40:39,808 --> 00:40:41,600
the evening. 
Those are my ideas were all this

833
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,800
eat and eat and eat and I might 
have a forty five hundred 

834
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,100
calorie day. 
I don't track it very, very 

835
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:49,200
meticulously at all anymore. 
But I've tracked enough in the 

836
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,000
past and know that that's about 
the range. 

837
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:54,900
And then, you know, I seriously 
might have a heavy train gets 

838
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:58,500
less than 1,000 calories, I mean
easily less than 1000 calories. 

839
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:04,300
So the range is huge. 
But yeah I mean when I'm when 

840
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:07,400
I'm what I call monk mode when 
I'm just repeating the day and 

841
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,000
every day it's just Groundhog 
Day. 

842
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,800
All right, I will do. 
I'll wake up, I'll do my morning

843
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,400
run and that's on, that's on 
water, on a leader water and 

844
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,500
maybe a little bit of salt and 
then depending on the day I 

845
00:41:18,508 --> 00:41:22,400
might have pre workout or you 
know, beats or Something along 

846
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,800
those lines, just something to 
help me through the workout and 

847
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,900
I use a bunch of different 
things and cycle them to make 

848
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:28,300
sure I don't have tolerance to 
anything. 

849
00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:32,800
I'm not a daily coffee drinker, 
or anything like that, and then 

850
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,700
I'll get my morning run in and 
that might be, you know, shake 

851
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:42,600
out on the, on the Red Mill or 
or, you know, an easy 6, Miler 

852
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:45,500
or an easy, 10 miler or it might
be, it might be a little bit 

853
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:48,500
more epic. 
And then I'll get home. 

854
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,100
And typically, I'll have I'll 
have sardines. 

855
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,100
It This is a big staple. 
I mean, it's hard to beat the 

856
00:41:54,107 --> 00:41:57,100
nutritional value of sardines 
and just eat them straight out 

857
00:41:57,100 --> 00:42:04,900
of the can and I eat a lot of 
eggs and I'll do I'll do my 

858
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:07,000
shake. 
I mean, peep anybody tells me on

859
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,900
Instagram is seen my shake at 
least a few times and it changed

860
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:12,500
a little bit of the seasons go 
by, but it's got loads in it. 

861
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:15,900
I mean, right now, we're dealing
with creatine and about 3 grams 

862
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:17,800
of cordyceps agreement. 
If you're familiar with that 

863
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,000
one. 
Yeah, about three pounds of 

864
00:42:19,008 --> 00:42:22,700
cordyceps a day and then about a
gram, a lion's mane a day, and 

865
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:26,100
then a gram of or half a gram or
more of Thrive 6, which is a, 

866
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:28,800
just a six, mushroom blend. 
And this is all by fresh cap and

867
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,400
they're they're an awesome 
company as well. 

868
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:35,400
And so that way Easy like pasta 
loads or anything. 

869
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,200
No, no definitely not. 
I do like my carbs if I'm going 

870
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,800
to do and I do like them in the 
evening and like, this this 

871
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,000
block I've been doing like I'll 
do. 

872
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,200
I'll do like a cup of rice like 
uncooked rice, like a cup of 

873
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,000
rice, so like, I don't even know
how many that is cooked, you 

874
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,500
know, quite a bit. 
But I like to sit somewhere 

875
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:58,000
around, 100 to 150 grams of 
carbohydrate a day. 

876
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,200
And that's really the only macro
that I measure with any 

877
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,200
consistency or any Precision at 
all. 

878
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,600
Hmm, at this point, I've been 
doing it for long enough. 

879
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,900
You know like I said I started A
high-fat game in 2010 our before

880
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:15,500
2011 Gap here. 
And so, yeah, that's it at this 

881
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:17,400
point. 
I mean, I know, I know when my 

882
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,600
Staples are like, Mikey for 
shake and, you know, I have my 

883
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:22,900
levels data, which is a constant
glucose monitor. 

884
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:26,200
I have my constant glucose 
monitor data if anything, my 

885
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,900
keeper Shake drops, my blood 
sugar. 

886
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:32,400
So it's, I mean, there's no. 
I mean, I'm fermenting the milk 

887
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,600
until dinner. 
Here. 

888
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,000
I mean, it's, there's nothing 
left of this milk. 

889
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:41,600
So that's my base for my shakes,
and then it's way. 

890
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,000
And I might even have grass-fed,
butter powder in there from 

891
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,600
garden the life or, or, you 
know, just just a huge heaping, 

892
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,100
a mushrooms in there then. 
And so, yeah. 

893
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,700
It's very, very, very low carb 
throughout the first part of the

894
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:55,100
day. 
And then, in the evening, I 

895
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:58,500
like, you know, I might have, 
I'm a huge fan of dark 

896
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:01,200
chocolate. 
I've enjoyed some rice, just 

897
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,600
because it goes well with with 
meals, and I can lather it in 

898
00:44:03,607 --> 00:44:06,700
grass fed butter. 
You can't beat that. 

899
00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:10,800
And then yeah, if I'm going to 
use cards, I tend to go towards 

900
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,000
towards the sweeter and I mean, 
a lot for a sweet potato covered

901
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,000
in butter but I really don't 
have any qualms with like a more

902
00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:20,500
sugary options. 
You know, I have no problem if 

903
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:24,400
it's a day and I'm like, ringing
up food and I had to work out 

904
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,300
this morning. 
I have no qualms about, like, 

905
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:30,200
grab a Snickers bar, midday or 
early afternoon and getting in 

906
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,200
there. 
As long as I've had, my 

907
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,000
nutrition burst in my, you know,
hit your fat first. 

908
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,800
First and then hit your 
micronutrients you know right 

909
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,200
behind that. 
Then I have no problems with you

910
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,000
know, I don't I don't think my 
liver knows the difference, 

911
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,300
right? 
Well if your Bargain Hunt plus 

912
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:50,200
miles a week, I mean you're 
probably, you're probably, you 

913
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,700
know, just continuing to state 
of somewhat mild ketosis because

914
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:55,400
I mean you're not really holding
in any glycogen stored for any 

915
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,200
length of time that the idea to 
is. 

916
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,200
And I think that's why it's 
settled in the numbers that I 

917
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,100
have, right? 
If the average office worker can

918
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:06,300
be, you know, everybody uses 50 
grams and Say, oh, well, you 

919
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:09,100
know, you're they get dogmatic 
about it like, oh well, you're 

920
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:12,000
not, you're not Cheeto, because 
you're doing 200 grams a day or 

921
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,700
100 grams a day. 
And it's like, well, yeah, but 

922
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:17,200
I'm also running almost 20 miles
a day or not. 

923
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,700
Might, I might have a day 
regularly where I'm doing, 30 

924
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:22,700
miles or more and that's I'm not
screwing around like, some of 

925
00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:26,100
that is some serious intensity. 
And, you know, you, I think 

926
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:27,500
you've seen some of it on 
Instagram. 

927
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:29,200
It's like this, there's a lot of
five and a half minute miles 

928
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,100
going on these days. 
And that's, that's pretty solid 

929
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:34,200
intensity. 
Especially when you add an 

930
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,800
altitude or do you know this 
this whole training block had 

931
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,100
averaged somewhere around 9,500 
feet of gain a week, which is, 

932
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,000
you know, nothing but Mountain 
Runner standards. 

933
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,100
But as a crap ton by Roadrunner 
standards, which is the races 

934
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:48,500
I'm leaning towards right now or
the next race on a track, right?

935
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:51,100
All that adds intensity, you 
know, if you're running uphill 

936
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:55,200
on a gravel road at 8,000 feet, 
you're burning carbs. 

937
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,600
I don't care who you are. 
There's something like you're 

938
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,700
going to be burning some carbs. 
So even if I'm only burning, 20%

939
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:05,400
of my calories from carbs or 10%
my calories from carbs, Which is

940
00:46:05,408 --> 00:46:07,500
impressive if that's the case 
and that's about what it is. 

941
00:46:07,508 --> 00:46:11,300
I mean, I know my data and 
that's still a lot. 

942
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:13,200
You know, if you're doing if 
you're doing 20 miles a day and 

943
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,700
Burnin 20 times 20, you know 
that's that's no joke. 

944
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:22,100
So 20 yeah, 20 times 20 divided 
by 5 and that's 100 grams of car

945
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:24,300
burnt. 
So to get me into the normal. 

946
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:28,900
Ketogenic range of, you know, 
40, 40 grams a day, or what have

947
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:31,600
you, 15 grams a day ever 
effective. 

948
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,600
Then I might be, I might be 
doing 150 grams a day for 

949
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,700
extended periods and that's his 
ketogenic for me, is 40 is for 

950
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:41,500
someone else. 
Yeah, it's definitely all 

951
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:43,700
relative. 
I would be curious to see like, 

952
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,100
I don't know. 
I've got this theory that if you

953
00:46:46,107 --> 00:46:49,800
just totally, you know, bypass 
the car blow together, your 

954
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,400
body, just adapts to what you're
what you're providing it. 

955
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,800
So like, I wonder how your body 
would respond if you just, you 

956
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,600
know, took them out entirely and
then gave your body time to 

957
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,100
adapt to having zero carbs. 
Basically, what that would have 

958
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:06,300
an impact on with regard to the 
Ultras I've done it. 

959
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,700
Hey, my first, my first few 
races after going truly, truly 

960
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:14,100
ketogenic were legitimately 
ketogenic races. 

961
00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:20,000
I mean, I was, I was 20 grams a 
day or maybe 30 grams a day 

962
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:26,600
through nut Butters and stuff of
effective card for sincerely 

963
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,800
ears. 
I mean more than a two year 

964
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:35,200
period 2000. 
I'm horribly Unbound by. 

965
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,400
I probably probably 2,000. 
Yeah, 2012. 

966
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:42,600
Wish. 
I'd have to pull up the running 

967
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,800
log to something, but I mean, I 
was doing I was doing 200 grams 

968
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,500
of carb a week for four years, I
mean for a really really long 

969
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:54,500
time and that's with training 
hundred miles a week, a lot of 

970
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:57,800
the time and then doing Ultras 
but I just found that the the 

971
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,100
Strategic card really does. 
I don't know if it's if it's the

972
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:03,700
insulin or if it's like General 
Governor where your body says, 

973
00:48:03,700 --> 00:48:06,900
hey there's plenty of energy so 
we can we can allocate resources

974
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:12,100
to recover fully or what have 
you or where exactly this, you 

975
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:14,500
know this mechanism lies but it 
works. 

976
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:18,900
I mean the Carbs are Next Level.
It's interesting. 

977
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:21,200
It's interesting I had L the 
real real long stuff. 

978
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,400
I mean you know you can't I'm 
lean enough and you can't store 

979
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,400
enough carbs to get you through 
like a 50-miler when you're 

980
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,600
really running hard and it's 
better that you have those 

981
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:37,200
carbs. 
So have I you know on the 

982
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,500
genetic level at this point you 
know not just not just the 

983
00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:41,800
enzymes and I have had real but 
on the genetic level gene 

984
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,000
expression. 
If you have the base for fat 

985
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,800
metabolism, you can bomb some 
serious carbohydrates and all 

986
00:48:48,808 --> 00:48:50,600
they're going to do is sit in 
your system until you need them.

987
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,800
So all your, you know, you up 
hills will be a little smoother.

988
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:56,000
Your brain will be a little 
sharper your Mi 42-mile. 50 will

989
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,000
go a little better and you'll 
have to eat less during and 

990
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,700
that's a big one too. 
Is you could carbs help, you 

991
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:05,500
know, at that top end The carp 
still help and it's the 

992
00:49:05,508 --> 00:49:07,300
metabolic flexibility that we're
looking for. 

993
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:12,500
So the, you know, the standard 
wisdom and also running is 250 

994
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:15,500
to 350 calories. 
An hour that's a ton. 

995
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:18,500
I mean, I don't want to eat. 
I want to run if I want to be 

996
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:20,900
free I don't have to carry those
calories or plan for those 

997
00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:24,100
calories. 
Whereas you know guys like guys 

998
00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:26,900
like me or guys like zakah means
that Zach's been eating even 

999
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:29,000
less than I have. 
Been these last few years. 

1000
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,000
It seems and I've been trying to
increase it. 

1001
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:33,000
He's been trying to decrease it 
looks like but he's also a 

1002
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:36,200
Getting with longer stuff, you 
know, 100 Miler, it makes sense 

1003
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,500
to burn a little bit more fat 
than you would for a 50-miler. 

1004
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:40,500
This is 50 miles. 
You could be a little quicker 

1005
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:43,800
and a little dirtier for the for
a five hour event or, you know, 

1006
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,300
less than five our event. 
Hopefully. 

1007
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,400
So getting, it's still only 
like, 80 calories an hour at 

1008
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,700
most, and that's real, real 
nice. 

1009
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:55,100
And that's just enough to keep 
it sharp and topped off and let 

1010
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:57,900
your body know. 
Hey, we're safe, we're good, 

1011
00:49:57,900 --> 00:50:01,600
we're fed and we can hammer. 
Is interesting, man. 

1012
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,700
I don't I don't know that much 
about the body from a 

1013
00:50:04,707 --> 00:50:08,000
physiological standpoint with 
the with a long Endurance 

1014
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,800
Sports, I want to learn more 
about it because I'm, I've got 

1015
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,500
these theories. 
I want to test these things out 

1016
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:16,000
but like it's totally outside my
normal wheelhouse. 

1017
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,000
I mean, with bodybuilding, like 
I've gone versus your car but I 

1018
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,000
haven't noticed any any loss in 
performance whatsoever. 

1019
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:26,300
But I don't know how much that 
translates over to the, you 

1020
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:28,200
know, the endurance world. 
It's just totally different 

1021
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,200
Spectrum. 
Yeah. 

1022
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,900
I think I think what you'd run 
into with a lot of endurance 

1023
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:37,300
athletes is you might not need 
the carbs for race day, but you 

1024
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:41,100
will need them for training. 
So you know, when you, if you're

1025
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:44,400
going for like 5K 5K Runners 
going to have enough glycogen in

1026
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,900
there to perform well. 
And once you found adapts to 

1027
00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:51,200
probably perform to basically a 
hundred percent of the capacity,

1028
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,400
may be 100 percent of the 
capacity, especially when you 

1029
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,700
control for things like wait, I 
mean if you can if you can drop 

1030
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:59,700
a few, you know, 23 pounds of 
water weight, that's huge for a 

1031
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:02,400
runner. 
And especially now track runner 

1032
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,700
short distance Runner. 
So something like that might 

1033
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:08,200
come into play, but then some of
the training is just so 

1034
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,600
glycolytic that if your body is 
hex, hey, because your body's 

1035
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,200
conservative, right? 
Everybody, you sex, hey, we're 

1036
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,200
not going to make it through 10 
by a mile at this pace or 10 by 

1037
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,000
a kilometer. 
At this pace, it's going to 

1038
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,200
start slowing you down when it 
might not need to just because 

1039
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,900
it's conservative. 
So some carbohydrates extra on 

1040
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:30,200
there is probably, I would think
unavoidable for the tippy. 

1041
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,600
Level, but it would be 
interesting. 

1042
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:36,000
I think the, the question you 
run into is how much fat 

1043
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,200
metabolism do you lose for say, 
you know, to carb up so weak, 

1044
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,900
you know, probably a lot. 
How much do you lose for one car

1045
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:44,600
before week? 
You know how, how long do those 

1046
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,100
cards stay in your system? 
So, I mean, that's that's where 

1047
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:49,800
we're living in the future has 
some perks, right? 

1048
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,600
I mean, we have access to like 
constant glucose monitoring, and

1049
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,200
we're real close to having a lot
of things that are just much 

1050
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,600
more easily accessible and 
privatized. 

1051
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,200
So yeah. 
Yeah. 

1052
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,800
That's an interesting point 
because like, like you said, 

1053
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,400
there's, there's, there's so 
much give-and-take and like, we 

1054
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,400
just, I don't know. 
I like when you look at the 

1055
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,800
research and all the studies 
done, like nobody's going to 

1056
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,000
really be able to have that 
access to, you know, these 

1057
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,600
participants that are willing to
go through. 

1058
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,700
It legitimately long period of 
Quito adaptation to really tap 

1059
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:20,600
into what that research would 
illustrate. 

1060
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:23,000
So it's kind of like a catch-22 
on all fronts. 

1061
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:27,600
I felt like I was getting 
benefit for easily a year. 

1062
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,000
I mean even like, six months in 
was Than three months in 100% 

1063
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,000
and 12 months in was better than
six months in, and that was kind

1064
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,400
of eye-opening for me. 
Yeah, I mean, for me, like, I've

1065
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,200
been doing this now strictly, 
you know, strictly keto for five

1066
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,200
or six years and it's it's so 
much more significant in 

1067
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,700
obvious, what I'm feeling and 
experiencing now than what. 

1068
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:51,000
I was, you know, six months in 
one year into year and three 

1069
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,900
year in and like people they 
just assume that they're, you 

1070
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:57,400
know, at the Pinnacle at the 
Zenith of their level of kiddo 

1071
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,700
adaptation. 
They've only been doing it for 

1072
00:52:58,700 --> 00:53:00,100
two weeks. 
It's like no, no, no. 

1073
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:03,900
Yeah, keep going. 
Hey, if he comes out one time, 

1074
00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:06,200
so I'm good. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1075
00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:07,800
Exactly. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1076
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,000
Even even on the race day, I 
mean, I felt I felt like the, 

1077
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,800
the gels that I was taking on 
race day were hitting me harder 

1078
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,100
and that's huge. 
I mean, normally you take a gel 

1079
00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:21,800
and 200 calories, you know, 25 
grams of carbohydrate and within

1080
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,300
five minutes, you feel great. 
And this is for a standard car 

1081
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:29,000
burner and within 15 minutes, 
you're like stable at best. 

1082
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,600
And by Five minutes or so, 
you're hungry. 

1083
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,700
Then you're actively hung your, 
your building and building and 

1084
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:38,200
building that blood sugar, 
because you're consuming so much

1085
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,800
that it's actually going up, you
know, you're exercising. 

1086
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,500
So your blood sugar is elevated 
and then you're eating carbs, 

1087
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:47,400
your blood sugar is elevated, 
and then you're you're just like

1088
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,400
building a building buildings, 
blood sugar until your brain 

1089
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,400
says dude we don't want we don't
want a 130 blood sugar right now

1090
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:55,400
though. 
So it'll hit that insulin out 

1091
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,900
and then you're screwed I mean 
at that point your you can't 

1092
00:53:57,900 --> 00:54:01,100
burn fat when you got insulin 
going and then When you're 

1093
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,500
you're having you think man? 
I feel like garbage, I must be 

1094
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:06,600
bonking some more carbs and then
you get more insulin and then 

1095
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,900
you're just on a downward spiral
until hopefully finish the race 

1096
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:12,200
or you drop out. 
Yeah. 

1097
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:13,500
Yeah. 
It's I don't know. 

1098
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:17,500
I can't imagine how anybody that
is knowledgeable at all with 

1099
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:18,900
what all the research that's out
there. 

1100
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:22,400
That's just doing a standard 
standard you know running like 

1101
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,000
if they're not leveraging the 
power of tapping into their 

1102
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,200
stored fat for fuel. 
It's just it's just they're 

1103
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,100
shooting themselves in the foot.
Yeah, well it's not mark. 

1104
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,500
I mean it, so it's a little bit 
more marketable. 

1105
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:36,100
Now, because there's at least, 
like lokar products and and 

1106
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:39,300
there's something to sell at 
least now, but that's a harder, 

1107
00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:41,700
right? 
I mean, even even if someone's 

1108
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:44,800
eating keto brick a day, right? 
That's peanuts compared to 

1109
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,000
selling them six meals a day. 
Right? 

1110
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:50,200
I mean that's that's like zero 
still. 

1111
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:53,900
So the selling people the 
ability to burn their own body 

1112
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:56,800
fat you know your that's why 
you're seeing so many anxieties 

1113
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,800
Ketone. 
Supplements is people are really

1114
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,900
trying to Market that And sell 
that. 

1115
00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:03,900
But in the end of the day, it's 
you, it's you and you and you 

1116
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:07,100
take you to cover your bases in 
a sustainable, you know? 

1117
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:09,700
Hopefully, delicious way because
we're wired to like food, you 

1118
00:55:09,700 --> 00:55:12,600
shouldn't have to hate life for 
the rest of, you know, for the 

1119
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,600
rest of your life. 
And yeah, I think I think that's

1120
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,400
what's holding it back because 
it's just not marketable. 

1121
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,100
It's so much better to sell 
somebody. 

1122
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,200
You know, if gels are two 
dollars a piece and you're 

1123
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,100
selling somebody four of them an
hour for their events, and then 

1124
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:26,500
you're telling them, they have 
to train with them. 

1125
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,100
You're getting that person on 
the hook. 

1126
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,400
I mean, that's a, that's a lot. 
Yeah, it's true for sure. 

1127
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,000
That's why it's so cool. 
Like I don't know. 

1128
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,400
I really just taken an interest 
in. 

1129
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,700
That's why I love natural 
bodybuilding. 

1130
00:55:36,700 --> 00:55:39,200
It's like let's strip away all 
the new ones. 

1131
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,500
Let's just go to your core and 
see what you can do. 

1132
00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:44,800
Optimally with nutrition and 
training alone and then really 

1133
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,800
Pinnacle eyes that and you just 
feel. 

1134
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,600
So it's liberating because you 
don't feel like you're, you 

1135
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,400
know, just stuck tethered at the
heel to all these different 

1136
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,700
supplements and gels and 
anabolic steroids, like, don't 

1137
00:55:57,700 --> 00:55:59,300
need all that stuff. 
Yeah. 

1138
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:01,400
I love it. 
I love it. 

1139
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,000
Well, what you got in the 
pipeline, man. 

1140
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,000
What's the Horizon guy for you? 
So we got a, let's see. 

1141
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,300
Some more Bodywork on this this 
bringing lower leg that's first 

1142
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:13,600
up man. 
Yeah we got it. 

1143
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:19,300
We got a guy in town Durango 
movement and he is a frickin 

1144
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:21,300
Witch Doctor, man. 
If I get you out here to visit 

1145
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:23,800
for a little train station, will
get you the session with him. 

1146
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,900
The guy, the guy is, I mean I go
in there and just like shrug my 

1147
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:30,600
shoulders at him, he's like 
Alright lie down and I get out 

1148
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,600
of there and I'm like you don't 
know how you did it and it's 

1149
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,500
like, I'm so I'm such a skeptic 
and such an academic. 

1150
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:38,300
I don't buy all this hippie crap
but it's like man. 

1151
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:41,600
Guy's a freakin Witch Doctor, 
dude, because so good. 

1152
00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:45,000
So I gotta fix this leg. 
That's, that's first before I do

1153
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,000
anything. 
I can't even be a person until I

1154
00:56:47,008 --> 00:56:49,200
fix this thing, but it feels way
better today after a session 

1155
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,200
yesterday. 
Yeah. 

1156
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:54,800
Yeah. 
And then we got um, actually I 

1157
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,900
haven't seen my parents in a 
while. 

1158
00:56:55,900 --> 00:57:00,200
I got them coming into town and 
then we got a camp coming July 6

1159
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,800
of the 12th. 
I got a bunch of people coming 

1160
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,200
up just to just to train case in
at my place and, you know, we 

1161
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,700
got recovery, Boots, the house 
and we got muscle scrapers and 

1162
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:10,900
we got, you know, the so So 
bright and we got we got the 

1163
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:14,000
creek right in the backyard and 
the sauna in the house and it's 

1164
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,700
a perfect place to train because
I have demanded and I've needed 

1165
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:19,600
a perfect place to train. 
So I've created one. 

1166
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:23,600
So I really, really enjoy 
sharing that with people and 

1167
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,100
it's a it's a donation only 
thing, I mean as of right now 

1168
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:29,400
it's zero dollars in my pocket 
for all this. 

1169
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,700
So as of right now it'll cost me
money but I'm going to have 

1170
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,700
somewhere around 15 people up 
here, train, casein and go up. 

1171
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:38,100
Some people set up tents in the 
back. 

1172
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:41,100
And Well, some cop set up an 
extra bedroom and the people set

1173
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:43,900
up in a family room and just 
take over my house for a week 

1174
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,300
and just let them enjoy the 
mountains and the cool, what the

1175
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:50,900
cool mornings or you know, cold 
overnight the nice, the nice 

1176
00:57:50,900 --> 00:57:54,600
high altitude, son and a little 
train case in here and we're 

1177
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,200
looking again, I'm in Durango 
Colorado. 

1178
00:57:57,300 --> 00:57:59,700
So I'm Way Way, Southwest 
Colorado Four Corners. 

1179
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,700
I'm actually like, I'm about to 
halfway between Denver and 

1180
00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:04,500
Phoenix. 
Got, you got you got you? 

1181
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:05,800
Yeah, that is the perfect place,
man. 

1182
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:08,400
It's awesome. 
I mean, I can be to Vegas. 

1183
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,700
A short drive, I can be to 
Denver the, with the reasonable 

1184
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:13,500
drive, I can get a phoenix, the 
reasonable dried Salt Lake City,

1185
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:17,000
you know, I can be in the desert
like true proper desert with 

1186
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,500
canyons and Red Rock and 45 
minutes. 

1187
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:21,300
I can be up in the mountains 
where there's where it's out. 

1188
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:26,200
Pine trees can't grow and 20 and
I mean, I can run to those 

1189
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,600
places, right? 
It's this. 

1190
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,300
It's a hell of a playground. 
Yeah, man. 

1191
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:33,300
I mean, it's like the ideal 
ultramarathon, you know, 

1192
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:34,600
training ground. 
That's that's cool. 

1193
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,500
That you bring those people into
that, that's like getting the 

1194
00:58:37,508 --> 00:58:39,400
community gather getting the 
Lambert of effort. 

1195
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,900
That's what it's all about. 
Absolutely, absolutely. 

1196
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:45,100
It's just it's so enriching. 
It'll help me through my 

1197
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:46,800
training and help them through 
their some. 

1198
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,400
And yeah, there's a there's a 
place Chima. 

1199
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,900
Yo, is the largest largest 
pilgrimage site have once, and 

1200
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:57,700
the Western Hemisphere probably,
but certainly in North America 

1201
00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:00,800
and they get whatever it is. 
Tens of thousands of people 

1202
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,800
there every year. 
And this isn't any significant 

1203
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,400
weekend or anything. 
I'm going to do at the end of 

1204
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,400
this month, but I'm going to do.
I've considered doing the 

1205
00:59:07,408 --> 00:59:10,300
pilgrimage route from my House 
and it's almost 200 miles. 

1206
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:12,900
So it would be a little bit over
200 miles of getting the stops 

1207
00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:14,500
and places where I could sleep 
every day. 

1208
00:59:15,100 --> 00:59:17,900
But I'm going to do that. 
At the end of this month, some 

1209
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:20,400
modification of the route, 
there's a Scenic byway that goes

1210
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,700
from Taos. 
New Mexico to Chima Yoda next 

1211
00:59:23,700 --> 00:59:28,000
coaches, where it is. 
And it's this old Catholic 

1212
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,600
church and it's like Pueblo 
style. 

1213
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,500
I mean beautiful, beautiful 
spot. 

1214
00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:35,300
And I just kind of think, like, 
I don't have a hard time putting

1215
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:38,000
faith and really anything, which
you could probably tell with 

1216
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,300
this. 
But yeah I think of enough 

1217
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:46,400
people draw power from a place. 
Then it gains significance. 

1218
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,100
Right. 
We're in viewing it with power 

1219
00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:52,400
that rather it had it or not, 
we're creating something 

1220
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,700
totally. 
So, I just being that. 

1221
00:59:54,700 --> 00:59:56,900
It's basically my backyard as 
far as things go. 

1222
00:59:57,100 --> 00:59:58,300
I gotta do that pilgrimage 
route. 

1223
00:59:58,300 --> 01:00:01,700
So I'll probably cut it to like 
50 to 100 miles, but I'm going 

1224
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:03,900
to go run across the Southwest 
for a few days, the end of this 

1225
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:06,100
month and that's, that's the 
next cool adventure that will 

1226
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:08,200
be, you know, people will see 
media from on on. 

1227
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,900
So, Social and and all that. 
But that's, there's actually a 

1228
01:00:11,908 --> 01:00:14,400
route, we mapped out. 
It was like 60 miles and it 

1229
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,300
starts at a big, the biggest 
Buddhist temple in this area 

1230
01:00:17,300 --> 01:00:19,800
with a big gampa. 
And, you know, prayer Flags the 

1231
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,900
whole nine yards and that tends 
to be a little closer to my, to 

1232
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:26,500
my, what I can buy into and it'd
be fun to started that Buddhist 

1233
01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:29,800
temple and then run to Chimayo. 
I mean, that would that be some 

1234
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,400
kind of fun spiritual, you know 
symbolic. 

1235
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,500
I don't know. 
The world needs that kind of 

1236
01:00:34,508 --> 01:00:36,800
energy right now, I think. 
Yeah, totally man, you can be 

1237
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,900
documenting all this one like 
Yeah, yeah. 

1238
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:43,700
So I have a media person and 
she's going to be she's going to

1239
01:00:43,700 --> 01:00:45,800
be crew and me and make sure I 
don't make sure I don't starve 

1240
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:50,200
or turn into a raisin out there.
And I don't know if we'll crash 

1241
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,100
in the car or, or set up at any 
age and I was a lot of public 

1242
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:55,600
land on this route. 
We were, I am and maybe we'll 

1243
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,400
couch-surf it. 
Somebody offers, and we'll see 

1244
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,000
what happens. 
We'll just let the universe take

1245
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,000
care of us, basically. 
Yeah, we'll make a little short 

1246
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,900
film for it and then we'll be 
dropping Instagram stuff, and 

1247
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:06,700
that'll be the end of this 
month. 

1248
01:01:06,700 --> 01:01:09,700
So, that'll be really, really 
Pretty very cool man. 

1249
01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:11,900
Well, I'm excited to see that's 
for sure. 

1250
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,500
Where can people go to follow 
you and follow along and 

1251
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:17,800
journeyman Instagrams? 
The preferred that's that's been

1252
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:18,600
what I've been. 
What? 

1253
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,500
I've been dying my teeth into 
right now. 

1254
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:23,500
So that's at Anthony Kunkel, 
that's KU n. 

1255
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,100
Ke L when we can we can drop 
them a link in there as well. 

1256
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,300
Yeah, yeah. 
Put that link in the show notes.

1257
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,400
Well sweet man. 
I'm excited for you. 

1258
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,600
And I definitely want to keep in
touch and follow along because 

1259
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,300
it's something that that 
interest me for sure, even 

1260
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:35,400
though I'm no Runners. 
It's cool. 

1261
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,300
Seeing what the human body is 
capable of and then Coastline 

1262
01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:40,100
you. 
You know Buster these plateaus? 

1263
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,500
Yeah I think it's the best kind 
of energy for you. 

1264
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:45,800
I mean any Runner I think can 
benefit from dealing with 

1265
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,000
certainly the like hippy end of 
the elites of the people who are

1266
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,300
really when you have somebody 
and you know the ultra running 

1267
01:01:53,300 --> 01:01:56,000
Community is doing our part, on 
both ends up here positive and 

1268
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,200
negative but there's a lot of 
like very harsh energy out there

1269
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,700
of you know I was a weak little 
pansy and I crushed myself and 

1270
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:06,600
now I'm bulletproof and it's 
like I just don't think that's 

1271
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,700
the right message, you know, I 
think And I think that's very 

1272
01:02:09,700 --> 01:02:13,000
harsh, and I think people can 
can get the same results out of 

1273
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,900
being, gentle, with themselves 
and this this soft approach. 

1274
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,700
I really think him can move some
mountains and so yeah. 

1275
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:23,500
Yeah. 
Well I think it's, I think it's 

1276
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:26,000
good for you to be around to put
yourself in around some of these

1277
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,800
also Runner types because you'll
you'll pick up some mental 

1278
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,500
groundwork that would have that 
would have taken you years to 

1279
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:34,000
get biennials come out of the 
gates with it. 

1280
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,200
So I hope that's valued people 
shoot, yeah. 

1281
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,600
Well we'll keep spreading apart.
A message Man and keep putting 

1282
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,500
those miles in. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1283
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:43,100
Maybe we can talk after the 
50-miler. 

1284
01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:46,000
Hey, I'm now, let me go run. 
The goal is the top five 

1285
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,400
all-time. 
So the goal is to put world 

1286
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,600
record on the table for myself, 
for the next, for the next year,

1287
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,400
with this next performance. 
So we'll see how it goes in Late

1288
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,500
July, will you get that leg 
Hilda, man? 

1289
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:57,700
You like said, you're 
bulletproof. 

1290
01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:59,800
So keep on keep on ground and 
you make it happen. 

1291
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:03,000
Yeah man. 
See you brother talk soon?