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Well hello ladies and gents, 
Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com. 

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Today I've got special guest 
Scott King on the line. 

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He has undergone an incredible 
transformation. 

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He was at 1.550 plus pounds, 
he's lost 300 lbs following a 

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NSNG ketogenic diet and he is 
now training for a full blown 

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Iron Man in 2025. 
I'm stoked for his journey 

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through that. 
I'm super excited for him to 

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compete at that level in such a 
short period of time as well. 

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But also I just wanted to bring 
him on the podcast and kind of 

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pick his brain as to his back 
story. 

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Talk about his relationship with
food, talk about what he's he 

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was doing, what he's doing 
currently. 

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Talk about just the psychology 
of food, how to undergo or just 

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surmount a obstacle of losing 
that much weight and stick to 

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the course, how to maintain that
over time and how to just 

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inspire others in the process. 
So he's got an incredibly 

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inspiring story. 
I've got no doubt that you will 

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take something from it so that 
for the delay, sit back, relax, 

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enjoy the conversation with 
Scott. 

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We are live, Scott. 
How are you, ma'am? 

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I'm good. 
How about you? 

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I'm doing wonderful well, so 
just to give listeners some 

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context here, I honestly don't 
know much about you at all. 

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You reached out to us, Ellen 
forwarded me your e-mail. 

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You are training for a 2025 Iron
Man and you've lost over £300 in

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the process, Is that right? 
Yeah, 300. 

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But yeah, that I have reached 
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And that is my, my goal. 
I wanted to. 

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I kind of had like a Unicorn 
goal and I'm going to give a 

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heck. 
And that's that's the goal. 

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I love it, man. 
Well, I want to dive into the 

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back store here for sure. 
First, How did you find yourself

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as? 
What was your heaviest weight, 

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if you don't mind me asking? 
My my heaviest recorded weight 

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and that was hard to get a a 
good recording of my weight 

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because I was so heavy. 
I was too heavy for most scales,

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but the highest I ever saw was 
552 lbs. 552 And what is What is

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your current weight? 
Right now I'm 260-5263. 

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Right around there I got down to
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lazy and that's kind of also the
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twos. 
I'm a pretty goal focused person

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and I needed to have something 
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And that has all taken place 
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years, right? 
And that hadn't been. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah. 

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So I started. 
I started NSNGR no sugar, no 

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grains in 2018, but there was 
prior to that a failed gastric 

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bypass, which is what ended up 
leading me over to NSNG. 

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Nice. 
Yeah, NSNG. 

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And he's a great guy. 
I've had him on the podcast. 

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Yeah, times. 
So I want to dive into that for 

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sure. 
What? 

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What got you up to that heaviest
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Man, Like, is your whole family 
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Was it just a relationship with 
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Was it stress? 
Like, what do you think led to 

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you getting to that point to 
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You know what? 
Yeah, I do have a larger family,

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but they're not. 
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biggest person. 
It was just and it was just poor

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choices. 
And then just as the poor 

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choices got further and further,
I just kept digging that hole 

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deeper and deeper and I couldn't
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My mobility got less and less 
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Dumber and it just, it just kept
building and building, you know?

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Again, I was always big. 
And in high school I ended up, I

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was playing sports. 
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big, and I got hurt and that 
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graduated. 
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just dumb decisions just kept 
adding my weight. 

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When you were getting heavier, 
did you like, were you very 

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aware of it, or was it something
that you kind of just maybe knew

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of but didn't really fixate on? 
Like what was the Was the 

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conversation of nutrition and 
health much a part of your 

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repertoire, or was it just kind 
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I I was very aware of it. 
I didn't know how to treat it. 

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My mom encouraged me to check 
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few times, and I did, you know, 
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Honestly, was the Weight 
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That was my only up to the 
gastric bypass was my only real 

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significant efforts towards 
healthy eating or quote UN 

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quote, healthy eating. 
Eating. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, yeah, you can't be that 

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big. 
And I mean, I started feeling 

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worse and worse and you know, 
you can't be that big and be 

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ignorant to it. 
I mean, I knew I was bad. 

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I just didn't realize how bad I 
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Yeah. 
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that took place. 
I'm not as familiar with Weight 

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Watchers as it probably should 
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What does that entail exactly? 
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calories with Weight Watchers? 
Are you eating like a specific 

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meal plan like? 
How do they structure that? 

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So, so Weight Watchers they 
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whatever trend is happening and 
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year and at that time when they 
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So every food have a point value
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you get X amount of points per 
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was like a free food like a 
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certain veggie was a free food 
that didn't count to to those 

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points. 
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system not it wasn't calorie 
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points. 
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it was still operating off that 
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Gotcha. 
And when you were not following 

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Weight Watchers, when you were 
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What did a day's intake 
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My goodness, it was it's 
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Well, we're we're big fans of 
Mexican food, so it would be, 

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you know some some sort of 
breakfast burrito or something 

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like that. 
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and go get a pay gigantic 
burrito for lunch and kill a 

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couple of things, the chips and 
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And they kind of repeat that at 
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So I mean my caloric intake I 
could not even possibly imagine.

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But it also was not uncommon for
me to, on a quiet day, just go 

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home by myself and eat a whole 
entire pizza and some 

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breadsticks. 
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It was just when I wasn't on or 
trying to be on anything it was 

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just a free for all constantly. 
And yeah, it was just just eat 

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till I felt like Stockton really
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You eating a lot of fast food 
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Just a lot of fast, a lot of 
fast food. 

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Yeah, unfortunately the 
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convenience you just run it 
through at McDonald's was so 

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significant. 
I was just actually joking with 

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a Co worker last week. 
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this is not a rare occurrence, 
but going to McDonald's and 

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getting a Double Quarter Pounder
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super size fries with a 20 piece
nugget and also a cheeseburger 

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to tide me over as I drove home 
to go eat that meal. 

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Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's 
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I've had a lot of people on the 
podcast and people have just 

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talked with their the psychology
of food always interests me 

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because it's something that we 
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like a varying degree of 
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And did you ever find yourself 
feeling guilty of the food you'd

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eat and like? 
Would you hide the wrappers and 

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just not be open with it? 
You. 

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Know what I I I lived alone for 
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buddy I had to hide from. 
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lot of there's some of my peers 
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for me and kind of would not I 
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were loving jabs, caring jabs 
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concern. 
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lot of big friends. 
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the blind leading the blind and 
who really cares. 

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I mean we're all in the same 
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And it was just like I said, a 
free for all just constantly 

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eating trash and almost to like 
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look how much I ate. 
It was. 

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There was just, yeah, no 
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Yeah. 
What do you think of this 

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healthy, at any weight body 
positivity movement that seems 

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to be gaining a lot of traction 
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You know, at first I didn't have
much of an opinion. 

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I thought it was dumb at first 
that I didn't have a much of an 

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opinion. 
But I I've been getting a lot 

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more local about it lately 
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I have had people my my life, 
you know, my mom or my brother 

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or somebody my dad that that at 
one point said we have to do 

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something. 
We have to address something 

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because this is getting out of 
control and it is going to kill 

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you by calling, by by rewriting 
the standards of what is 

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healthy. 
It does. 

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It's it's irresponsible. 
It's it's people want to say 

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it's like anti bullying or or 
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It is the least loving thing you
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allowing people to continue to 
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It's it bothers me a lot. 
It's it's like I said, it's been

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something that's really, 
definitely been weighing on me a

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lot lately. 
Just I I I'll, I'll accept the 

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fact like you could like people 
could say, oh we could redefine 

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beauty standard, you know, yes, 
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larger person. 
I'm not denying that whatsoever.

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But we cannot redefine what is 
healthy and it seems like that's

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what we're really trying to do 
and that's just that's 

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irresponsible to the core, you 
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Yeah, I agree. 
I've I've never been morbidly 

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obese and since I haven't had 
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don't have the right to speak as
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So I don't ever want to offend 
anybody or come across as, you 

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know, unrelatable. 
But at the same time, and I 

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know, like me personally, like I
like doing hard things. 

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I like doing physically 
challenging things. 

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I like pushing my body to the 
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And I accept that that's not 
gonna be the case for everybody 

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and it shouldn't be the case for
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And I can totally buy into the 
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in the eye of the beholder. 
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to larger individuals for sure, 
you know, more prior to them. 

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Who am I to judge? 
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wholeheartedly in that 
redefining what is and is not a 

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true illustration of health can 
get into some pretty murky 

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territory. 
I mean, if we are getting to the

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point as a society where we 
don't want to offend somebody to

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the extent of not being vocal or
incentivizing or helping or 

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encouraging them to pursue 
health, and it leads to their 

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detriment, that is certainly not
doing them any favors. 

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And it just kind of enables 
people like it in, Like when you

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look at people that are, you 
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issues or relationship issues or
health issues, it often times 

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becomes from this enablement 
that their peers, their loved 

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ones allow for them. 
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because of just not wanting to 
step on toes or wanting to tread

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carefully, not wanting to become
offensive. 

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But if you truly care for 
somebody, then you make it a 

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point to help them. 
And if there's something that's 

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obviously not, you know, 
benefiting their health, IE 

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being morbidly obese and having 
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that, I mean, we're not doing 
anybody any favors by not 

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bringing that to that attention 
or trying to enable them to 

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continue on that path. 
So, yeah, I don't want to offend

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anybody. 
I don't want to be dogmatic or 

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negative or bully people. 
But if we're going to redefine 

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what is health just simply 
because we don't want to offend 

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people and we're trying to play 
it safe, but it's leading to 

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their demise like that is that 
is the least living thing, as 

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you said you can do. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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And I think that's kind of why 
I'm a little, I I feel like I do

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have a little more of a right, I
guess to speak up about it 

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because I have been here and 
again I'm now I'm not even a 

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small guy, I'm never going to be
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But in perspective to where I 
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guy. 
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why I do social media. 
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there's a lot of people that 
don't understand what it feels 

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like to be absolutely hopeless 
and helpless in their white 

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struggles and and to be so far 
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obesity. 
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I do it to the socials to show 
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That you can change it. 
Your story's not over. 

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You can rewrite your journey at 
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on this acceptance of 
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like I can speak on that because
I have been there and I have 

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been. 
I have rebuilt myself and 

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reclaim my life from that. 
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I, it was not comfortable and I 
did not want people to bring up 

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the fact that I was so 
unhealthy. 

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ultimately prolonged my life 
because somebody was willing to 

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take that uncomfortable 
conversation and have it with me

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because of your love, you know, 
allowing you don't take a 

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recovering alcoholic and keep 
feeding them drinks. 

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You know, we recognize how 
irresponsible that would be. 

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It's the same situation. 
I mean, there's nothing 

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different. 
Yeah, no, I totally agree, man. 

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I've had Gourmet on the podcast.
You're you're familiar with 

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Gourmet, right? 
Yeah, he's. 

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Great. 
Oh, absolutely. 

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he, he's also lost a ton of 
weight and he's been a a he's 

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lost a ton of weight two or 
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illustrating that journey to 

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people, empowering them. 
And you know, I can't, I can't 

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speak highly enough about him, 
but I had him on the podcast and

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he was talking about just some 
of the things that he would do 

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on a day-to-day basis when he 
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That you know it, it's it's kind
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bunch of, it's kind of like when
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sick and you just assume that 
it's normal to have sore 

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throats, headaches, nausea, 
indigestion. 

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pick up some Pepto Bismol 
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it's just what you consider to 
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But when you break past that and
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no longer becomes the norm. 
You recognize how many more 

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opportunities are open up to 
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can be. 
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morbidly obese, you take those 
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haven't experienced them. 
So on that note, now that you've

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lost, you know, 300 lbs, what 
are some things that you would 

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do on day-to-day back at your 
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That just blow your mind? 
Like, what are some things that 

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you you you're able to do now 
that you aren't taking for 

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granted because you recognize 
that it wasn't the case 

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beforehand? 
Man, there's there's so many 

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things, so many small stupid 
things that people that's never 

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been in there would not 
understand how many we could. 

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We could spend the rest of the 
show talk about every single 

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thing, but just some key things 
are like one, I don't have to 

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actually purchase a car that's 
humongous just so I can fit 

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inside of it. 
I mean, most people won't know 

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what it's like purchasing the 
car and having to take their 

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size into consideration to be 
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I've had to do that. 
Not having the seat belt on my 

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my car fit me and risk getting 
tickets or buying extensions 

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flying on an airplane. 
I mean I I have a horribly 

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guilty conscience and I remember
taking business trips in the 

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past and I I didn't want to be 
smashing somebody next to me on 

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a plane so I also purchased the 
the seat next to me. 

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So just dumb things like that. 
But I would say like a comment 

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everyday thing. 
There's a couple of them that's 

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still actually just this past 
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we went out on a daddy daughter 
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dinner and they were seating us 
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And at that point when they were
seating him in the booth, my 

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heart skipped a beat because I 
knew, oh shoot, I'm not going to

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be able to fit in this thing. 
And it's just crazy to still 

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have that knee jerk reaction 
that going back to a different 

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life that that was a factor in 
my life or if I can fit will 

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this or will this piece of 
furniture hold me. 

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But also just just a huge thing 
was like if I had to go by the 

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grocery store on the way home 
and I could not get a parking 

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spot close enough to the to the 
store and I was not short enough

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of the grocery list, I could not
do that because I could not walk

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the course of the parking lot, 
walk the inside of the store and

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then back to my car. 
I just couldn't physically do 

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it. 
And it's just, it's so freeing 

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that all those are just non 
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But every once in a while 
something will trigger that 

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memory and you'll just think 
like oh shoot, you're in the 

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middle of it. 
You just don't. 

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Like you said, when you don't 
understand your struggles while 

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you're in the middle of it, 
they're brought to light as you 

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as you get to the other side. 
Yeah, I mean, just simply being 

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able to move like we take for 
granted mobility. 

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I mean, my mom's going to have 
hip replacement surgery on the 

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12th of February, so she's going
to be kind of out of Commission 

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for a few months during that 
recovery process. 

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And I mean just like little 
things, like when you, when you 

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jam your finger, you break your 
toe, like you, you recognize how

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much you use those appendages, 
how much you use your body. 

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And when you're that heavy and 
like simply getting up a flight 

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of stairs, sitting in a booth, 
going to the bathroom, it's just

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all this cumbersome task that 
weighs on you. 

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Like when you think about how 
much mental bandwidth is drained

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in trying to figure out how to, 
you know, go to the grocery 

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store and walk across the 
parking lot. 

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Like when you no longer have 
that burden, that weight on your

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shoulders, it frees you up for 
so much more creative thought, 

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energy, zeal for life. 
And I don't want anybody to be 

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robbed of that zeal for life. 
So anything that I can do, you 

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can do, anybody can do to push 
this actual health movement 

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forward as opposed to this, you 
know, that's OK that you can't 

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move, just keep doing you like. 
Like I think I think we need to 

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really incentivize people that 
their life is going to be so 

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much more well lived. 
And then as a result of that, 

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their ability to contribute more
to society and those that they 

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love and those around them is 
going to be so much better spent

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if they're simply able to move 
freely and not have that mental 

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bandwidth sucked up. 
Yeah. 

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I couldn't agree more that I 
mean if somebody told me how 

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much different it would be if I 
was just to lose the way, there 

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is nobody that could describe or
have prepared me how freezing 

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and how much more simple life 
would be just to live. 

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There was so much effort into 
living when you're that size. 

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I mean every and I'm not trying 
to be over dramatic here. 

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Every sense of living was a 
struggle that would put required

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so much effort and it's just so 
nice just to be it's just to be 

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just just to live without 
constant effort and and like you

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said just draining it's and it's
I I just like I guess I won't 

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dwell on it too much because 
there's truly nothing I could 

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possibly say that could put in a
perspective to where somebody 

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can truly understand it. 
Was there like a a specific 

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catalyst or aha moment in which 
you recognize that you had to 

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make a shift a a fork in the 
road, so to speak? 

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Well, yeah. 
So yeah, I was trying. 

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I was trying to get gastric 
bypass surgery again because, I 

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mean, I feel so stupid saying 
this. 

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I I needed gastric bypass 
surgery again because that was 

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the only thing that ever helped 
me. 

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I felt like, which if I'm trying
to have it again for the second 

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time, how much, how much did it 
really help me? 

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And I got denied by insurance 
for a second gastric. 

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I was pretty devastated and I I 
just assumed I was just going to

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kind of die. 
Just there was a beginning of my

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end right there and I've got 3 
little girls and I was just 

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hoping that it would not be a 
long prolonged thing. 

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I was hoping it would just be a 
quick get it over with and done 

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so not to affect their life even
more than I had. 

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I had to. 
And during this time I was 

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listening to some podcast and 
venue toward Rich was on there, 

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you know, repeatedly and it 
sounded interesting. 

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I just didn't really care too 
much to dig into it. 

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But there was, and Vinny likes 
me to tell the story, but there 

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was one day in particular where 
it was the aha moment. 

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My at the time, she was about 2 
1/2 years old. 

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My daughter ran towards the 
street. 

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We're out. 
We were out front sitting on the

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porch playing around in the 
front yard, and I'll start, I'll

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stay right now that nothing 
happened to her because it was a

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quiet street. 
But I couldn't get out of the 

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chair and I was stuck in the 
chair. 

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And by the time I got out of the
chair, I couldn't even catch up 

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with a little 2 1/2 year old 
girl running for the street. 

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And it just killed me that my 
health was so poor that I could 

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not provide the basic functions 
of protecting my family. 

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And I just felt like, you know, 
I I owe it to them just to give 

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this one more shot. 
I just can't. 

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I just can't hang it up already.
And to my to my shock, it took 

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at work. 
And here we are. 

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Having kids, man is is truly, 
truly transformative. 

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Like, I've got one myself now. 
And it's like you just see life 

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through a different lens. 
It becomes a very selfless lens.

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And when you go to life, like 
when you're when you're doing 

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things solely for your own 
benefit or or not benefit, like 

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if you're doing if if you're the
only one that is impacted. 

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So you think it's much easier 
to, you know, be lazy to over 

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consume to not make the 
sacrifice. 

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But when you have somebody else,
especially someone like a kid, 

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that is truly dependent upon 
you, and you have this selfless 

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motivation driving your actions,
there's just so much more 

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staying power and incentive to 
stay the course and do what 

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needs to be done, do the hard 
work, make the sacrifice. 

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So it's awesome that that was 
the catalyst because you've got 

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you said 3, three daughters. 
Yeah, 33 girls. 

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Three girls and they were all 
born prior to you losing the 

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weight, right? 
Yes, absolutely. 

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They they they saw me. 
They saw Dad when Dad started 

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putting on the weight after the 
gastric bypass so that they'd 

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they'd always seen a large and 
then increasingly growing Dad. 

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They'd never seen a a healthy 
act of Dad. 

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What was that like for them? 
Like, did they understand it, 

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that they recognize that you 
were not healthy? 

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Did they? 
Did they Did they talk about it 

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at all, or were they totally 
blind to the fact that you were 

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as heavy as you were? 
The only time they would ever be

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aware of anything is if we would
be somewhere and another kid 

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would say, oh, that's your dad. 
You know, just they're kids. 

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I don't. 
I don't care. 

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I don't. 
I don't get offended by kids. 

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That's just how they are. 
But they'd say, like, you know, 

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oh, your dad's fat. 
And then they would ask me, oh, 

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are you fat? 
And so they didn't know better. 

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And you know, when they see me 
all the time, that's just how it

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is, like how we're talking about
before. 

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It's just, it's just what is 
normal. 

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But as they got older and their 
friends would talk more about 

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it, they were starting to 
understand that. 

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Yeah, Dad's not like the other 
dads are. 

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Dads, not participating, able to
participate as much physically 

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with the kids as like maybe the 
other dads were like playing on 

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the soccer field or baseball 
field. 

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So yeah, yeah, they were 
starting to see it as they were 

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getting older. 
Yeah, so tell tell me about this

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NSNG, man. 
So Vinny's kind of popularized 

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that whole concept around 
nutrition and that stuck with 

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you more so than the the Weight 
Watchers program. 

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What was it that appealed to you
about that? 

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Honestly, it was the only thing 
that's ever stuck with me. 

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What? 
So what appealed to me was it's 

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just basically a list of don't 
eat this, you can eat this. 

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How to identify sugars, Know how
to know how to really read 

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00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,880
labels. 
Excuse me? 

447
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,720
And then most of the foods I 
could eat are pretty awesome. 

448
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,920
It's what I've always wanted to 
eat in the 1st place, but I 

449
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,840
thought I wasn't supposed to. 
And you know, I'm 46 years old, 

450
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,760
so I grew up in the era of the 
food pyramid and this seemed 

451
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,160
like 100% the opposite of how I 
should be eating. 

452
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:05,680
So I guess, I guess it was kind 
of a blessing in disguise that I

453
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,240
felt like I was already on 
death's door. 

454
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,640
Because I mean, man, if this, if
eating eggs or bacon or steaks 

455
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,360
or whatever is going to kill me,
I mean, who cares really? 

456
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:15,520
Is it going to kill me? 
Anyhow? 

457
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:23,280
So and then I'm also the kind of
person that I I naturally my 

458
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,360
brain naturally goes to 
unconventional ways of thought 

459
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,880
and this was kind of going 
against everything I've ever 

460
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,800
been taught, so that was kind of
cool to me. 

461
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,400
But following everything I was 
ever taught never did me 

462
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,880
anything good anyhow. 
So I figured what the heck, and 

463
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,200
it was. 
It took a long time for me to 

464
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,440
even know that it was working, 
because I had no way to weigh 

465
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,040
myself without making an error 
on the scale. 

466
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:57,760
And I was just following it and 
I was feeling better, but I 

467
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,240
didn't know if it was like a 
placebo effect or not. 

468
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,440
And then one day at the park, I 
was, you know, playing with the 

469
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,880
kids and the wife took a picture
of me and made like a little 

470
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,920
side by side deal. 
And it was the first time that 

471
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,040
like, oh, wow, you know, that 
there is significant difference.

472
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,280
I mean, there's no doubt 
anymore. 

473
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,560
I mean, I knew the clothes were 
getting looser. 

474
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,200
But again, I was just thinking 
maybe that's all in my head. 

475
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:29,800
Excuse me, I apologize. 
But yeah. 

476
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,600
Then it was shortly after that, 
then I was able to start my my 

477
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,320
scale was reading me. 
And then after that I was just 

478
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,880
kind of on fire. 
I was like, OK, this is the 

479
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,840
proof this is working. 
I feel great. 

480
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,840
And there was always the 
underlying, OK, I'm going to go 

481
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,640
get a physical or some lab works
done and they're going to be 

482
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,080
horrible and I'm going to have 
to quit this. 

483
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,880
But that that's never that's 
never came to fruition. 

484
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:58,160
Yeah the the whole NSNG, no 
sugars no grains protocols. 

485
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,120
I just love how simple it is. 
Like it it takes a lot of the 

486
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,360
decision fatigue out of it. 
I think you know we as a species

487
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,520
need to have some non 
negotiables in life and and kind

488
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,280
of like the whole body 
positivity thing people don't 

489
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,680
want to ruffle feathers. 
But I feel like having some 

490
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,920
relatively strict parameters, 
especially for a certain type of

491
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,320
person that thinks better in 
terms of absolutes like that as 

492
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,360
opposed to moderation is is key.
So like when you're going 

493
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,280
through this, no sugars, no 
grains protocol, are you paying 

494
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,360
any attention to calories? 
Are you doing kind of more 

495
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,920
higher fat, higher protein? 
Are you mindful of that at all? 

496
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,880
Are you just simply avoiding the
sugars and grains? 

497
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,240
So in the very well, up to just 
recently, I was not tracking 

498
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,920
anything at all. 
I was just following the list 

499
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:54,160
and eating to satiation, not 
eating to stuffed, not eating 

500
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,240
until I was, you know, 1st. 
And at the scene, it's just 

501
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,040
where I was not hungry. 
And if I felt like I was hungry 

502
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,560
again later on down the road, 
which was not as common anymore 

503
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,960
or not as often anymore because,
you know, I was having a high 

504
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,400
protein, high fat intake and it 
was keeping me satiated. 

505
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,520
Yeah. 
So I I was you know, not 

506
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,240
tracking any of that, just like 
you said kind of like an 

507
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:24,360
absolute and also what you said.
It is the most simple thing I've

508
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,080
ever done. 
At first that was probably my 

509
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:33,840
biggest hurdle I had to go get 
past was rewiring my brain to 

510
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,240
think differently because I 
always thought this was an 

511
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,600
incredibly difficult or eating 
healthy was an incredibly 

512
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,600
difficult thing. 
But this is the most simple and 

513
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,320
basic thing there there is and 
I've ever done it. 

514
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,680
I absolutely love it. 
I just it's it is beyond simple.

515
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,440
It's just re rewiring your brain
to understand that. 

516
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,480
So yeah so for the longest time 
it was no track in anything. 

517
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,080
It was just the the basics. 
Don't eat this. 

518
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,760
I can't eat this. 
Am I hungry? 

519
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,120
Am I not? 
That was it? 

520
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,440
Yeah, when? 
So, so you went from eating, you

521
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:15,400
know, breakfast burritos, fast 
food and all that Good stuff or 

522
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,120
bad stuff, I guess I should say.
So what does a typical day look 

523
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,600
like for you now like when you 
were doing the the NSNG and kind

524
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,920
of up to up to the current time,
like what what is your meal 

525
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,960
frequency and meal meals consist
of generally? 

526
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,400
I I I seem to do best with two 
meals a day. 

527
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,360
I'm still kind of with with this
whole training thing, with this,

528
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,600
for this, these Iron Man dreams.
I'm trying to figure out what's 

529
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,840
best for that, which is still 
definitely a learning process, 

530
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,560
you know, So I'm definitely open
to input on that. 

531
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,000
But right now I eat a lot of 
eggs, lead about, lead on a lot 

532
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,560
of meat, beef or steak, ground 
beef, that sort of thing. 

533
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,600
I'm trying to wean myself off of
dairy. 

534
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,120
I mean, I'll do, I'll do, you 
know, primarily cheeses, I mean,

535
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,520
but yeah, I'll do, you know a 
few eggs for lunch, maybe a 

536
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,280
little burger Patty and the kind
of the same thing for dinner. 

537
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,360
I don't venture too much. 
That's a great thing about it. 

538
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,800
I'm pretty simple guy. 
So this is the simplicity of 

539
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,280
this is awesome. 
Yeah, no, I think. 

540
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,600
I think, man, just simply 
reducing decision fatigue is 

541
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,160
such a powerful, powerful thing.
Like when you when you think 

542
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,120
about the more options you give 
yourself, the more you're 

543
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,720
thinking about those options and
the more you fixate on anything,

544
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,960
the the more time you allocate 
towards it, the more obsessive 

545
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,560
you become towards. 
And that can be a really 

546
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,960
powerful thing if done correctly
or a very debilitating thing if 

547
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,760
done incorrectly. 
And when it comes to food, you 

548
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,320
know, I feel like there's just 
so much more benefit to be had 

549
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,120
if you eat quality foods and 
keep those foods, food choices 

550
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,920
relatively minimal. 
You know, obviously get a 

551
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,840
diversified nutrient profile, 
but but don't add so much 

552
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:16,640
variation that it consumes you 
and your body's able to 

553
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,440
stabilize and work things out 
like that sounds like an 

554
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,320
incredible oversimplification, 
and it is. 

555
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,720
But I feel like so much of the 
issues that we see in society 

556
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:31,080
today around food stem from 
people's decision fatigue, guilt

557
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,640
associated with eating certain 
things. 

558
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,920
Too many options. 
And if you rewind the clock back

559
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,600
500 years and there was like 4 
options, I mean there was not 

560
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,600
too many overweight people back 
then because they didn't have as

561
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,080
many options. 
And this just over fixation on 

562
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,640
convenience and different flavor
profiles and tastes like I love 

563
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,120
a good culinary genius's work in
the kitchen, but if you're just 

564
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,880
trying to obtain health, you 
don't need to try and reinvent 

565
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,920
the wheel. 
No, not at all. 

566
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,760
And I've gotten to the point 
where I think it's so cool. 

567
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,560
Just I like to see how few of 
ingredients I could consume. 

568
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,480
I mean yeah, if you want to 
stretch it, I guess I have four 

569
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,600
ingredients for the most part, 
eggs, some sort of meat, salt 

570
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,840
and pepper that I, if you want 
to call salt and pepper an 

571
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,120
ingredient. 
I mean yeah we don't require 

572
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,920
much and when and that's what I 
learned also after getting some 

573
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,440
time under my belt with the NSNG
is that you start losing the 

574
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,960
cravings for all the garbage 
when when you start having that.

575
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,920
I, I, I'll call it like a 
primitive primal diet. 

576
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:49,280
You know, the the the desire to 
consume the the processed foods,

577
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,040
the sweets, the sugars subsides 
or just goes away period. 

578
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,480
I mean prior we would have 
breakfast and we would at 

579
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,400
breakfast would be talking about
what are we going to have for 

580
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,080
lunch and at lunch talk about 
what are we going to be having 

581
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,320
for dinner. 
Now I just now I consume just 

582
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,040
because I need to consume. 
I don't. 

583
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:13,240
It's not my every waking moment 
thinking about again what you're

584
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:16,600
saying before is like the it's 
so freeing. 

585
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,120
It's not consuming my thoughts. 
I pretty much know what I'm 

586
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,520
going to have whenever I'm 
hungry. 

587
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,240
It's not a big deal. 
I can get on with my life and go

588
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,000
about doing whatever I need to 
do. 

589
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:34,400
It's yeah, people think, you 
know, in the groups, I would see

590
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,560
people when they first started, 
oh, what's a substitute for 

591
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,760
this? 
What's a substitute for this? 

592
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,600
What's a substitute for this? 
And the more I got into, I 

593
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,600
started getting a little bit 
irritated because I'm just like,

594
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,640
trust me, get your time in and 
you're not going to be worried 

595
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,040
about the substitutes anymore. 
And that's so true. 

596
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,800
And and the more you're the 
deeper you're into it, the more 

597
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,680
basic you want it's. 
It's the weirdest thing. 

598
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,920
Yeah, totally man. 
Totally agree. 

599
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,040
And are you tracking your intake
now? 

600
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,160
You kind of allude that you 
might be are are you? 

601
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,520
Like you know how many macros 
you're consuming on a daily 

602
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,960
basis now? 
Yeah, I I do. 

603
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,840
I do track now. 
I've been tracking for probably 

604
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:17,280
a month and a half now. 
It's still a learning, huge 

605
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,640
learning process for me. 
Yeah, But I'm. 

606
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,880
I'm finally starting to track 
because I know as this training 

607
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,040
keeps ramping up more and more 
and more, it's going to really 

608
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,040
factor into everything. 
And I really can't. 

609
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,200
I mean, I already, I've already 
set a crazy, crazy goal ahead. 

610
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,440
I need every advantage I have 
can get. 

611
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:43,920
And I I need to approach this 
with a very smart mind and I 

612
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,280
need to, Yeah, I'm trying to. 
I'm trying to dial in what works

613
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,480
best for me and have that 
whatever that macro balance, 

614
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,880
whatever it needs to be for 
somebody doing what I'm doing. 

615
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,320
So out of curiosity, what what 
does your caloric intake and 

616
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,760
macro distribution look like 
now? 

617
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,200
Oh geez, let me see if Let me 
see if while we're talking I can

618
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,080
go on to my app really quick and
and get you some information. 

619
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:17,040
Here I I'm, I allow myself and 
be very wrong. 

620
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,520
Like I said, I'm this is a 
learning process. 

621
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,000
I have no idea what's correct or
not, but I'm allowing myself up 

622
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:30,400
to 2800 calories and my macros. 
So shoot, where are you at? 

623
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,720
My percentages are something 
like I try to allow for a 

624
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:42,480
between 15 and 25% of my of it 
for protein, 7080% fat, and zero

625
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,520
to 2% carbs. 
And I'm not saying I'm hitting 

626
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,360
that all the time. 
It like I said, I'm still trying

627
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,480
to figure out what's the best 
balance here and while I'm 

628
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,040
learning, I'm still trying to 
dial in getting that percentage 

629
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:59,640
correct, you know? 
Yeah, I mean, and that that's 

630
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,040
totally, totally fine, man. 
I mean, everyone's gonna perform

631
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,840
differently and better or worse 
at varying macro distributions. 

632
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,720
I mean, if you said you said 
2800 calories roughly. 

633
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,000
Yeah, roughly. 
I I almost never get to that 

634
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,720
point. 
I'm usually about 24. 

635
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,600
So 2400 calories if you're only 
giving yourself, you know, if 

636
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,920
you're if you're going 80% fat, 
2400 calories. 

637
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,760
You may be as shy on the protein
in that regard. 

638
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,000
Are you having any issues with 
recovery? 

639
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:36,120
At all. 
No, no, I don't think I am I and

640
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,600
another thing I'm not great at 
and I need to work on is, is 

641
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,000
that I need to I'm. 
I'm starting to implement more 

642
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,840
lifting to the routine because I
was focusing so much on cardio. 

643
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,200
You know, swim, bike, run, swim,
bike, run. 

644
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:58,880
But I know that weight training 
needs to be part of this as well

645
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,000
and I I just as a very recently 
started implementing that as 

646
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,440
well. 
Yeah, I mean, I. 

647
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,960
I so, So what I say about when I
say about recovery, I'm not, I'm

648
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,760
not noticing any recovery issues
right now, but that might be 

649
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,400
because I'm so heavily cardio 
focused and not weight training.

650
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,960
Yeah, and as you do it more too,
kind of like what you were 

651
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,160
saying earlier about, you know, 
if you've never been there, you 

652
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,680
you don't know what you're 
missing. 

653
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,000
But like, the same is true with 
the training. 

654
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,520
Like, once you learn your body 
and how it feels with different 

655
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,680
training loads and stimuli, 
you're gonna be able to know if 

656
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,320
you're recovering well or 
poorly. 

657
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,680
Like you're gonna be able to 
just inherently know all this 

658
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,720
stuff. 
Like it's just gonna become 

659
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,600
ingrained into your being. 
And then that's gonna make the 

660
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,680
macro manipulations easier as 
well. 

661
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,160
Because you'll know if you know 
you're you're recovering fully 

662
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,040
after a hard session or not. 
But I would definitely encourage

663
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,720
you to double down the weight 
training, and that's not gonna 

664
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:53,400
be as directly applicable to the
Iron Man activities. 

665
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,760
But that's going to be like 
probably the single best thing 

666
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,680
you could do for overall health 
in its totality. 

667
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,080
And that will indirectly benefit
every aspect of the Iron Man 

668
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,240
tremendously as well. 
Makes sense, Yeah. 

669
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,480
Yeah, 'cause I was, I've been 
reading up a lot and picking on 

670
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,360
stuff that you you've talked 
about with building up, you 

671
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,840
know, yeah, building up more 
muscle. 

672
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,360
And then also with the, you 
know, lean body mass and 

673
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,080
everything like that. 
So yeah, have a working process 

674
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,480
for sure. 
No, that's it's super exciting 

675
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,800
man. 
Like the fact that you've lost 

676
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,040
300 lbs over the course of a 
relatively short period of time 

677
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:34,440
and you've done so following 
NSNG, keto, low carb, paleo 

678
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,680
carnivore style diet. 
You've been able to improve the 

679
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,880
health and well-being of 
yourself. 

680
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,520
And thus A byproduct to that is 
better quality time with your 

681
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,720
three daughters. 
I mean the fact that on top of 

682
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,800
all of that, which for a lot of 
people would be, you know, that 

683
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,520
that's all you need right there.
But the fact that you're also 

684
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,200
balls enough to say I'm going to
do it Iron Man in 2025, I mean 

685
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,760
that's that's freaking awesome, 
man. 

686
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,400
Like that. 
Like people get comfortable, 

687
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,280
they get complacent. 
They they they they cross one 

688
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,080
finish line and they say, OK, 
this is where I'm staking my 

689
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,000
flag in the ground. 
Then I can point to this and say

690
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,360
I did it, but there is no finish
line in life. 

691
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,840
Like you're either getting 
better or you're getting worse. 

692
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,000
There is no maintenance like 
you're going to die. 

693
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,640
So always having something that 
excites you on the horizon, 

694
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,560
something that is so tremendous 
to what you think is possible 

695
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,600
that it scares you. 
Which I can imagine, you know at

696
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,200
one point being who knows you, 
you didn't have a scale that 

697
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,600
would go as high. 
But I mean let's just say you 

698
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,040
were 600 lbs. 
To go from being 600 lbs to 

699
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,960
doing like a full blown Iron Man
within a scope of, you know, 

700
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,440
five years, I mean that's 
freaking awesome man. 

701
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,440
I appreciate it. 
I mean, yeah, that's I agree. 

702
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,800
Just having something to stay 
focused on, because what kind of

703
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,320
got me into this was that I did 
a half iron relay with some 

704
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,680
friends and I didn't prepare for
it well and I did the bike 

705
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,240
portion of it. 
It was in Lubbock, TX and it was

706
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:08,400
windier than crap. 
And I'm not an aerodynamic 

707
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,360
person and I caught all the wind
and it kicked my butt. 

708
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:15,640
I got home and I got rid of my 
bike and that's where I put on a

709
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,120
little bit of weight. 
Nothing of horrible, just a 

710
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,480
little bit of weight. 
I was like then I realized I'm 

711
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,480
goal. 
I'm a goal oriented person and I

712
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,240
said you know what that's yeah 
there was there's there can't be

713
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:31,560
I'm done in my mind So let's 
let's try to re evaluate and and

714
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,040
you know think of something and 
I've always I'm not getting any 

715
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,440
younger. 
I've always had this dream of 

716
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,320
doing this and I figured what a 
better way also just to twofold 

717
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,400
is 1 just to show my kids that 
with enough determination that 

718
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:51,720
you can accomplish anything. 
And also just to really, I try. 

719
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:55,760
I hope that this story will get 
out to people that are where I 

720
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,280
was not so long ago. 
And then just let him say, you 

721
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,120
know, just let him see this and 
be like, dude, this, this guy is

722
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,320
who I am now. 
You know, why can't that be? 

723
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,160
Why can't that be me? 
Why can't I do that? 

724
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,000
And that's exactly right. 
I'm nobody special. 

725
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,360
I just got the right 
information. 

726
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,240
And that's what I just want to 
try to do is inspire others to 

727
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,520
to just change their story. 
That's the key, man. 

728
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,440
I mean, people are going to 
resonate more or less with 

729
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:26,320
different people's stories. 
Like, I might be speaking on 

730
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,480
natural bodybuilding, but 
someone that's coming from, you 

731
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,760
know, an obese background that 
has never desired, like never 

732
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,720
desired to step on stage, you're
going to have a hard time 

733
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:38,840
relating with any of my 
messaging and it's probably 

734
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,000
going to fall on deaf ears. 
But for someone that has 

735
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,680
struggled with their weight, has
kids want to improve their 

736
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,920
relationship and be a better 
provider and just see what's 

737
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,760
possible, You know, they're 
going to hear your story and 

738
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,160
they're going to be on fire for 
it because it's they're going to

739
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,120
be able to relate with you. 
So I think, you know, taking 

740
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,880
what you've learned and just 
simply documenting that journey 

741
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,800
and sharing it with others is 
so, so empowering. 

742
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,400
And I feel like a lot of people 
think that they can't put 

743
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,200
themselves out there on social 
because of, you know, they're 

744
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,840
not an industry expert, they 
don't have any accolades behind 

745
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,520
their name, they don't have any 
MDSPHDS or whatever. 

746
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,520
But it's like none of that 
matters if no one hears it. 

747
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,080
What matters is storytelling. 
Like as a species, that's what. 

748
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,760
That's how we've carried on our 
tradition, Our history from 

749
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,360
generation to generation is 
stories. 

750
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,440
Like what can you say that hits 
home in somebody's heart, you 

751
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,840
know, tugs their heartstrings. 
So for someone to be able to see

752
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,560
your transformation take place 
first hand, hear about it on a 

753
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,280
YouTube video or a podcast, and 
then see you continue to push 

754
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,960
forward and do things that are 
outside your comfort zone. 

755
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,640
Like that's gonna impact so many
people. 

756
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,640
Like you're changing lives in 
ways you don't even recognize. 

757
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,720
And I just encourage you to keep
doing that, man. 

758
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,680
Absolutely, man. 
I do appreciate that. 

759
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,600
That's That's all I'm trying to 
do is just to just help people 

760
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,560
improve their life. 
Like you said, seeing someone's 

761
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,200
story like mine, you know, eight
years ago might have maybe been 

762
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,000
what I needed. 
So maybe my story will be what, 

763
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,200
you know, the inspiration, 
inspiration for someone else to 

764
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,280
just give it a shot. 
It's I try to tell everybody all

765
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,000
the time, It's not as difficult 
as you think. 

766
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,600
It's just it's just, you know, 
set these little goals and get 

767
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,440
the right information. 
There's no secret special code 

768
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,360
or password you need. 
It's just just rewire your brain

769
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,640
to think a little bit 
differently now. 

770
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,600
And the time is going to pass 
anyways. 

771
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,640
I feel like a lot of people, 
especially if they have a a lot 

772
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,880
of weight to lose or a lot of 
health to gain, or they just 

773
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,920
have this seemingly 
insurmountable wall in front of 

774
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,000
them, like the time is going to 
pass anyways. 

775
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,560
So you might as well fill that 
time with things that move you 

776
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,200
closer and closer to that goal. 
Like if somebody said to me what

777
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,040
all I would have to do in order 
to build the business I have or 

778
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,640
to compete like I have when I 
was starting at square one, it 

779
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,000
would have been like, 
unattainable in my mind. 

780
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,280
But once you recognize that, 
that time will pass. 

781
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,600
And if you just find ways that 
you can inch forward every 

782
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,560
single day, that's what I'm a 
big fan of, man. 

783
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,720
Like, I like finding something 
that I can incorporate into my 

784
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:25,280
life every single day without 
fail. 

785
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:30,440
And if I just do that one thing,
then I can feel good about the 

786
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,880
day. 
Ideally I'd do more than that 

787
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,440
one thing, but if I could do 
something every single day, not 

788
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,560
take Saturdays and Sundays off, 
that moves me closer. 

789
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,480
It becomes so much more 
attainable. 

790
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,600
And when it comes to nutrition, 
we're all eating every single 

791
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,720
day, so that's a pretty easy, 
low hanging fruit of which to 

792
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:53,160
make that your one thing. 
Absolutely, absolutely. 

793
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,080
That's that's such a great way 
to put it. 

794
00:46:55,240 --> 00:47:01,600
You know, like you said, you 
know the time's going by anyhow.

795
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:07,560
And I remember in the past I'd 
be like just don't gain weight 

796
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,760
this year and then the year be 
over and I gained 50 pounds, 60 

797
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:16,440
lbs and that's cool, is gone. 
It's you know now I can get past

798
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,240
that It's it's not let's not 
let's not get more unhealthy 

799
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:23,360
this year. 
It's now let's let's set new 

800
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,240
goals. 
I, I, I've, I'm working I'm I'm 

801
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:30,120
working on the the health aspect
of it let's get new goals and 

802
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,840
the the time is going to pass 
anyhow and you know just make 

803
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,560
just make some good memories you
know 100. 

804
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,920
Percent ma'am, How old are your 
daughters now? 

805
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:44,000
So I got a 13 year old, an 11 
year old and a 7 year old. 

806
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,440
What do they think about this 
Iron Man? 

807
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,360
They they they think it's pretty
crazy they're excited about it. 

808
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,560
They they don't quite grasp the 
distance of it because I've done

809
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:03,440
a few a few triathlons. 
So a triathlon is an Ironman and

810
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,720
an Ironman is a triathlon too. 
And it's no different that I'm 

811
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:11,680
trying to help them with the the
scope of how much bigger this 

812
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,440
is. 
But they're excited they're they

813
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,560
think it's pretty cool. 
I'm. 

814
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,560
I'm, you know, I'm not going to 
just jump into it. 

815
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,200
So I'm going to be continuing to
do our, I'm sorry, triathlons 

816
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,560
and build up the distances. 
So I'm, I'm trying to encourage 

817
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,680
them to see if they want to do 
some shorter ones with me like 

818
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,440
that have little kids distances 
there. 

819
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,880
So they're they're starting to 
get pretty excited about it, and

820
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:39,240
it'd be just a great way if I 
could use that to start 

821
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:44,280
implementing healthy, healthy 
standards in their life at an 

822
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,680
early age. 
Totally. 

823
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,240
I feel like I asked this with 
every guest that I've had on 

824
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,720
recently that that has kids. 
So my audience may be tired of 

825
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,240
hearing me ask it, but I'm 
always curious now that I have a

826
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:56,320
kid. 
You know, you've grasped the 

827
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,960
importance of health, you've 
unders, you've, you've seen how 

828
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:05,880
it's impacted your own life. 
Has that changed how you, you 

829
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,760
know, like what you grocery shop
for to bring food into the house

830
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,320
for them to eat? 
Like, do you have more of a 

831
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,480
conversation with them around 
the types of foods they consume?

832
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,760
Do you try and rule their 
consumption with an iron fist? 

833
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,440
You just simply lead by example 
like how how is their 

834
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,240
relationship with food and how 
do you kind of how has your 

835
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:27,840
transformation affected that 
conversation towards food with 

836
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,600
them? 
Well, before it was never a 

837
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,160
thought. 
It was just whatever felt good, 

838
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,920
Whatever tastes good, that's 
fine, We're allowed to have it. 

839
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:42,640
There's no repercussions. 
But now there, and this is a 

840
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,160
constant struggle, especially 
with having kids. 

841
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,080
I I I don't do the Iron Fist 
thing because I don't want them 

842
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,320
just to just to resist because 
this is what dad says. 

843
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:58,120
But I try to by go by example. 
I try to educate, you know, 

844
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,920
like, you know, sometimes they 
will have some just absolute 

845
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,040
garbage and I'll let them know, 
you know, you can have this, but

846
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,040
this is going to do nothing good
for you and this is not going to

847
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,120
be all the time thing and this 
is not going to be a frequent 

848
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:15,280
thing. 
So at this point I'm just trying

849
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,840
to lead by example and I do 
because, you know, it's easier 

850
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,280
because I know what I can eat. 
I do primarily most of the 

851
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,120
cooking here and I try to cook 
stuff that they'll want to have 

852
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,000
too, you know, on the weekends, 
you know, maybe I'll do a little

853
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,400
bit more elaborate food or 
whatever still all within what 

854
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,640
my, my eating regimen. 
But I'll, I'll yeah, I'll try to

855
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,680
try to hook them in on some with
some good food that way. 

856
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,600
My baby, my, my youngest, She's 
an absolute carnivore. 

857
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,880
There's no problem there. 
The only problem with her is 

858
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,200
she'll steal food off my plate. 
That's about it. 

859
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,320
Yeah, it's it's got to be tough 
when when they were eating foods

860
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,960
like normal processed food 
because they hadn't had that 

861
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:02,560
shift at an early age. 
You know, I talked to people 

862
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,520
that have kids that started out 
their younger years eating those

863
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,440
foods. 
It's very hard to get them to 

864
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,160
shift course later. 
So yeah, but I think leading by 

865
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,360
example is the way to do it. 
And the fact that they saw you 

866
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,320
at your heaviest and can see 
first hand how eating the right 

867
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,840
foods positively impacted your 
life. 

868
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,000
Like they they can't be blind to
the fact that food is the common

869
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,640
denominator there. 
And that's what made the 

870
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,480
difference. 
So I I bet they've internalized 

871
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,560
a lot of that and they'll make 
them make much better decisions 

872
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,920
going forward as a result of 
seeing you go through your 

873
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,800
transformation. 
Oh yeah, they they definitely 

874
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,440
they they are definitely mindful
of it. 

875
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,480
We'll we'll do holidays like 
Christmas or Thanksgiving and 

876
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,960
that the the desserts will come 
out and they'll know. 

877
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,000
They'll make note of, oh, Dad's 
not going to have that, any of 

878
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,800
that because that's that's 
garbage, you know. 

879
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,920
So at least they at least they 
know that. 

880
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:57,520
Yeah, yeah, for sure, For sure. 
Well, Scott, what what is the 

881
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,320
YouTube channel that you you 
mentioned before we started 

882
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,160
hitting recording, I want to 
point people to that so that 

883
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,360
they can see this, this journey 
unfold even more. 

884
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:12,280
Yeah, so another NSNG friend of 
mine, Robin Dobbins, her with 

885
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,920
the encouragement of her husband
Matt, wanted to kind of start a 

886
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:22,560
new channel to of people who 
have had success eating some 

887
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,680
sort of low carb ketogenic NSNG 
lifestyle and like the benefits 

888
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,240
they've gotten off of it. 
So it's less of me success 

889
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:33,360
stories. 
We do it every other Thursday. 

890
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,040
Some sometimes we sneak another 
episode in if we need a bonus 

891
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:42,040
one, but it's a it's a new 
channel and what we do is it's 

892
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,360
from 7:00 to 8:00 Central Time 
and we we do an open chat on 

893
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,400
YouTube where people can message
in to the guests and ask 

894
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,960
questions as well. 
And we're not claiming to be 

895
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,240
medical professionals or nothing
like that, but we can tell you 

896
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:59,680
what worked on our journey and 
also what has worked in the 

897
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,240
journey of the person that we're
a speaker with that. 

898
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,480
Day. 
Nice that. 

899
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,720
That's like having some form of 
open communication with the 

900
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:11,280
community. 
That does so much for the 

901
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,040
community, but it also does so 
much for you, and I'm sure 

902
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,760
you've experienced this first 
hand. 

903
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,160
That's like when you put 
yourself out there, you have 

904
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,280
that whole other layer of 
accountability and you don't 

905
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,160
want to do wrong by them. 
So it makes, you know, giving in

906
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,400
to the temptation of foods that 
are not in line with your goals.

907
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:31,080
All the more reason to avoid it.
I mean because you're you're not

908
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,000
only affecting yourself. 
I was saying earlier when you 

909
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,440
have this other layer of 
accountability and you're you're

910
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,760
not going through life in this 
selfish manner, but having that 

911
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,920
that outlet is is super 
impactful man. 

912
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,320
So I'm I'm grateful you're doing
that. 

913
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:46,280
Appreciate that. 
Thank you. 

914
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:48,600
Well, Scott, I appreciate you 
brother. 

915
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,200
I appreciate what you're doing. 
If there's anything I can do to 

916
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,560
help in any of the endeavors, by
all means let me know. 

917
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,320
I can't wait for your Iron Man 
debut in 2025, and it'll be here

918
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,120
before you know it, man. 
So keep staying the course and 

919
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,320
keep plugging away. 
Will do. 

920
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,920
I appreciate all your guys 
support as well. 

921
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,080
You guys have been awesome. 
Thank you. 

922
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,360
You bet, man. 
Like I said, keep in touch and 

923
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,880
we'll talk soon brother. 
All right, you take care.