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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, we 
get episode for the keto Savage 

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podcast with Micah masse as a 
special guest, he is a lifetime 

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natural competitive body butter.
We're going to talk about the 

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health clinic. 
He works at the ketogenic diet 

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flexible dieting. 
We're going to talk about some 

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of the nuances to go along with 
that type of Lifestyle. 

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So it's going to be very 
entertaining episode. 

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I want you to sit back. 
Relax, enjoy yourselves. 

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What's up babe? 
By this is Robert Sykes with the

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keto Savage podcasting at 
special guest. 

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Michael on the line here is a 
competitive bodybuilder, 

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powerlifter and online coach. 
So how you doing there Mica? 

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Well, yeah, absolutely man, 
thanks for thanks for being 

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here. 
So give anybody that doesn't 

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know you, a quick intro as to 
what you're doing now, and If so

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I might get messy, I've you 
know, I've been in bodybuilding 

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since 2009 and have competed in 
seven shows, all natural natural

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shows so Nan BF W MB, F shows. 
And recently I did my first 

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powerlifting meet for the u.s. 
PA back in August, but I've been

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in the health industry. 
About 10 years. 

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I started my career as a diet 
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That's what really got me 
interested in diet after getting

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my degree in Health Science. 
And then I work for companies 

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like for WebMD as a health 
educator and had the opportunity

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to work for a company called 
healthways. 

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I did corporate Wellness type 
approaches for preventive health

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and then currently working in a 
weight-loss clinic supervised by

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a DOT adopter. 
Down in to University Place, 

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Washington, very nice. 
Very nice. 

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What, what exactly has your 
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location there? 
So currently what I do is I do 

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exercise prescription so I meet 
with patients that are any 

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weight loss program to advised 
by the provider of the doctor. 

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And basically, you have to train
differently when you are Are in 

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an extreme caloric deficit. 
So these diets are under 1000 

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calories and it's actually in 
ketosis, so huge enik guy. 

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It really. 
Yes. 

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And so you have to train 
differently, especially with 

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this population because they 
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identifiers, like metabolic 
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So, we'll just have, you know, a
lot of problems with diabetes 

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control, diabetes management. 
So, And they have, like it's 

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usually the population are like 
40 to 60 years old, that were 

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working with. 
So, these people, some of these 

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people have never strength 
training before they've never 

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done aerobic exercise. 
So, and a lot of them have like 

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prior injuries like hip 
surgeries knee, surgery, 

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shoulder issues. 
So a lot of them are hesitant 

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actually do strength training 
during a caloric deficit. 

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That like that but we always 
stress the point of, you know, 

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if you want to retain your 
muscle as you're losing losing 

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weight then you definitely have 
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So we work through that. 
Some of our visits are about an 

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hour long where we actually use 
trade, use different exercises, 

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show them how to work their full
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own home. 
So are these, are these patients

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that they come to the doctor? 
Or they admitted to this Clinic.

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Yeah, so they get referred or by
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So it's do, like multi care that
Network, the doctor that I work 

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for, she's the work in primary 
care and she has a really good 

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reputation. 
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their patients, when they're 
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because they battled with 
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of their lives. 
So they come to this clinic or 

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they just walk in. 
In and we do info sessions so we

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did we get a variety of. 
So what's the name of the? 

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The full Clinic? 
It's Rainier medical right near 

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medical place. 
Medical, it's Rainier medical 

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weight loss and monix. 
Yeah, I didn't realize that I 

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needed in some homeless because 
you just recently started doing 

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that, right? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Like two months ago, two months 
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Yeah, I see. 
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health approach. 
So we have a nutritionist. 

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Got exercise specialist. 
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we have the provider, we have a 
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practitioners, so when they come
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A variety of different 
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it's not just about exercise, 
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It's not even both those. 
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well, so they get to be able to 
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them to work through their 
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So not just about weight loss. 
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they, when you work with 
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my less than 1000 calories. 
Is that like a A jewel thing are

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they pretty much just trying to 
shock and all the body and just 

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jumped right into that. 
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So there's actually three 
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through on. 
The first one is a very low 

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calorie diet where they are 
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So they're basically all on our 
medical Foods. 

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So these foods are FDA approved.
So what you see is what you 

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actually get everything that's 
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their daily values for vitamins 
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supplements Or like, 
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probiotics, talk about 
magnesium, at just the 

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importance of different 
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1000 calories. 
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that are on, like, e modified, 
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So they are eating a above 1000 
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because some people just don't 
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Just our food. 
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and they use some of our foods 
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how to implement and incorporate
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nutrition. 
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prepare and they're still in 
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I'm if they follow that and then
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where we actually figure out 
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then we go from there by 
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Our he's roughly and it's so 
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it's at a slower rate of 
progress, of course, but some 

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people find out a lot more 
realistic where they're 

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tracking, the macros protein, 
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intake, even their sugar intake.
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ketosis, but if they're losing 
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find that they're able to 
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still retain a lot of muscle 
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It's also a minute, like, goes 
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trying to do with the 
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I mean it's perfect. 
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your, you know, working with 
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on the ketogenic. 
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that? 
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people come in and they've tried
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tried low carb and it just 
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very interesting. 
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setting, I feel like they're 
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supervised program. 
So they're almost at their like,

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this has to work mentality, 
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And so their mindsets a little 
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So when they go in and when I 
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what they're going to experience
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and but after that first week, a
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know, I'm not as hungry. 
Ari. 

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I'm not actually a craving as 
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going to, I'd say like the 
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social thing because that's just
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know what, like it's not that I 
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Those carbohydrates, it's just 
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So it's all around me with other
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That was my lifestyle. 
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change the environment. 
So I'd say that's more the 

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challenge form versus anything 
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Are they losing weight? 
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them do have a bit more to lose 
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like, that's just looking for 
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even over 100 pounds. 
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good rate, like 325 pounds per 
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compositions to embody monthly 
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Do y'all offer like training at 
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Or is it just you know 
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Yeah, it's prescribed for them 
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Like we do have that dumbbells. 
Kettlebells you have TRX, we 

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have just basic things because a
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experience, you know? 
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environment. 
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gym or they just have only have 
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work around those and just show 
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One of the many things I do is I
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individuals and then I look at 
their form for certain exercises

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like squats lunges because these
movements are usually the harder

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ones for people to get the right
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Right so. 
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they're just trying to work. 
Whole body twice a week at 

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least. 
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benefits to doing more. 
So we just kind of work that 

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they're at their, right. 
It's very very interesting. 

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I didn't realize the scope of 
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but it's much healthier to do 
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Like you're saying as opposed to
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last-ditch effort before, don't 
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something, right? 
Exactly. 

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Yeah. 
A lot of people come in there 

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and they tried like multiple 
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And by the time they get to us, 
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need to get this weight off and 
it's not even because of vanity,

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it's not because they want to 
look good like a, of course that

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some of it, but a lot of when 
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really want to be around for my 
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Like I'm too young to be able to
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they're like all these health 
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You know, so it's really a 
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different type of population and
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at that point where there are 
almost at their wit's end, you 

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know this. 
I bet they're all pretty highly 

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motivated though so it's kind of
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That's, you know, that 
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Yeah, definitely. 
You know what? 

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It comes down to the general 
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work with bodybuilders or 
Fitness competitors, you know 

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they Are you know that class 
where you tell them what to do 

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and they'll adjust you tell them
to eat dirt. 

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He'll probably dirt you know 
exactly but you know when you 

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have general population and to 
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generally motivated to make 
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their stair, their weight but to
do it actually change their 

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habits because they understand 
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change and I think rightly like 
that, you know, it's very 

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refreshing. 
So, absolutely. 

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Yeah. 
It's all about lifestyle man. 

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Like the general public, they 
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as like a sub entity of their 
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Where is the mentality? 
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Should be all towards, you know,
inclusive. 

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It's all symbiotic. 
Yeah, that's awesome. 

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And I didn't even realize this 
What you're doing, so that's 

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very interesting for sure. 
So you probably know more about 

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the ketogenic diet. 
The me. 

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No that's awesome though, man. 
I guess it's cool to be able to 

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impact somebody's life. 
I mean, because like, we're all 

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doing shows, you know, it's and 
that's been a really big 

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influence on my life and it's 
cool to react to it, you know, 

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and relate with the competitors.
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like, you see the Hope in their 
eyes light up because they get 

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like, spend another 10 years 
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like that's awesome. 
You know, that's life changing. 

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So very cool real quick. 
What's a? 

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I didn't realize you've done 
seven shows in the past already.

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Yeah. 7 man. 
Let's just dive into that, man. 

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Like what got you into it in the
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So what, you know what, like 
growing up? 

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I never will really wasn't the 
sports. 

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Ever was somebody that like was 
very, very active. 

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I was into like martial arts, it
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The Judo but that injured in 
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I just had to get knee surgery 
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school. 
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physical fitness, type of Road. 
Where's more calisthenics but 

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even then I wasn't really into 
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really into team type approaches
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I was when I graduated high 
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got my first like a Bowflex got 
a Bowflex for graduation and I 

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just really wanted to work out 
like for some reason like I 

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gravitated towards that. 
So I would go to like GNC and I 

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read like muscle and fitness and
like Flex magazines, you know 

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that was just basically all the 
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Yeah. 
Vacuum like 99 and, you know, 

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just so intrigued and interested
in what people were doing and of

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course, like these people are 
monsters in the magazines. 

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Oh yeah. 
I never thought like, you know, 

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like I'm going to get that huge 
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what I can do. 
I mean, I weighed 130 36 pounds 

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but I graduated high school and 
I was just like, you know, I 

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could eat whatever I wanted my 
metallic. 

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Ilysm was really high and I 
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So of course that really helps 
when you eat a lot, never gained

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a lot. 
Never gained a lot of weight but

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I made it a made, it an effort 
like made of really a huge 

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effort to eat as much as 
possible. 

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You know, all sort of clean 
foods like ate a lot of you 

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know, whole grain pasta has a 
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simulate a lot. 
Them. 

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So I didn't know anything about 
nutrition. 

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I basically tried to follow a 
diet that were on these 

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magazines and then I gained, I 
went up to like 150 pounds my 

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first year of like lifting on 
the Bowflex, you know, just as 

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awesome and just like really 
consistent and I'll still 

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relatively lean like I was still
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fat and you know that just like 
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interested and then you 
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well, after I graduated, I 
graduated college. 

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I really got into like, 
bodybuilding.com and that's 

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where, like, a lot of 
information were just readily 

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available at my fingertips and I
think that's what got me into 

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bodybuilding because I ran into,
like, laying Norton, followed 

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all his, like, his, his videos 
on all on lifestyle, but natural

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body builder, right? 
No concept. 

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Natural bodybuilding before 
that. 

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I was just thinking, like, ifbb 
and PC. 

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And that was it. 
There was no such thing as 

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natural shows and so once I 
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wow, there's really like natural
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look like it's realistic, what 
you can achieve. 

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You know, I did my first show in
2012 with nabf with Washington. 

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State natural up in. 
Where's that place that up? 

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North this before? 
They went to the Tulalip Casino.

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It was the same show though. 
Yeah Edmonds. 

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Yeah, it was that it was an end 
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I had no idea what I was doing. 
I think I did it in like less 

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than 12 weeks. 
I just was like so motivated 

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just to do it right? 
I contacted the promoters. 

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They were like and you need to 
start from In like YouTube / but

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they hooked me up with my Posey 
with opposing coach and she was 

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amazing. 
And I still, I still work with 

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her and, you know, you're going 
through that process, you know, 

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is very, very fun for me. 
I loved it. 

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It just made sense for me. 
I think I finally, Fill my place

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with doing it. 
Yes, I did. 

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I did my first one in 2012 and 
then you get that bug, you know,

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you're like, oh, I got to 
compete again. 

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So yeah, I fall of 2012 and then
I fell through that cycle of, 

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you know, what I'm going to 
compete every year so I competed

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every year 2015. 
And so that's, that's how I was 

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able to get seven shows /. 
Yeah. 

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That's that's quick, man. 
Have you you see much like Many 

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gains year to year competing 
ever. 

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You like that? 
No, man course not. 

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Yeah, I would have, you know, or
six six months and you know like

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when you get off a contest prep 
diet you kind of have you go 

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through that process of getting 
out of your diet and yet from 

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always stable feeling good again
and I felt like I was running my

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body into the ground basically 
and I was like man. 

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I two months, I feel great. 
And then another two months, I 

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got to start contest prep again 
and it just sends to me. 

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I'm like man they keep telling 
me I need to get bigger but I 

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can't do that in four months and
six months it just doesn't, you 

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know, that's not how my body 
operates, you know. 

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And in the natural game you have
to be patient in the process, I 

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figured that out finally. 
Yeah at that time away. 

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Before starting this one. 
So when was your your last one, 

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the same one that I did write to
the 15th they want to see you. 

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So so we both had about a year 
and a half off, I guess. 

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Yep. 
So yeah, that'll be good, it'll 

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be interesting to see what we, 
what we have gained in the 

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offseason man, but it is crazy. 
How like new first-time 

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competitors, like just where 
their heads at in the whole 

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process. 
Like, there's just so many 

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things that I thought I knew and
hadn't a clue. 

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When I first started, I guess it
goes like that for everybody - 

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she had like a mentor going into
but I everybody, you know, when 

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they're like a month out from 
the first show that I am never 

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doing another. 
So, again, it's not happening 

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during this. 
I'm gonna I'm gonna be done with

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it and then as soon as they step
off stage like man, I gotta do 

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another show. 
And then getting the cycle doing

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every year like you're saying. 
And then before, you know, it 

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it's like their hooks, but 
they're not really seen any 

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games because they're not giving
their body time to recover. 

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Exactly, man. 
And so now that I've coached In 

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other people, I highly stressed 
that so much to them that I tell

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them when you're first 
competing, you step off that 

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stage, you're going to know 
whether you want to do it again 

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or you're not I mean it's it's 
99% assure you that when some 

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one of my competitors steps out 
this age that I you know what I 

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absolutely loved it. 
So I want to do it again or 

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they'll get off the stage and be
like you know what? 

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That was great process. 
I think I think I'm done for a 

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while. 
Yeah. 

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So I tell them that, you know, 
that as long as you're learning 

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throughout the process as you 
know, and I stress the 

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importance of now like a 
building face and I want to hand

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making making proper 
improvements, that it takes time

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and I try to, I don't try to 
drive burst their bubble for 

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competing like oh, you know, 
compete in the next few months 

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or anything like that, I give 
Them. 

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A lot of information that I 
didn't have like I didn't know, 

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I'm like your hormones. 
You know, you want to feel 

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healthier. 
You want to have somewhat of a 

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normal life. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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It's balanced want to make 
progress and other goals. 

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You know, and bodybuilding is 
and fitness competitions are 

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just one piece of the puzzle, 
you know? 

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And and so it's I think it's a 
lot better, calm. 

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Able to get some perspective, 
because you've come off on such 

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a high from. 
Oh yeah. 

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Yeah, it's it's crazy man. 
It's a drug. 

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Like after I came off my first 
show, I was like, in a state of 

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Euphoria, for three months. 
And then like, after that was 

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over, like, I just didn't know 
how to come back to the general 

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public. 
It's like, I've been in prison 

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for 20 years and didn't know how
to come back. 

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You know, it was, it was 
surreal, but it's crazy though, 

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but it means people gained such 
a greater perspective of Of what

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their capabilities are after 
having gone through contest prep

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that they, I just don't know any
other way. 

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They could experience those 
things, you know. 

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Yeah, that's for sure, man. 
Most people that come, you know,

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as audience and family and 
friends, they only see a 

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snippet, they see the finished 
product and or when they get 

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posted, posted photos on social 
media, they only see the 

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finished product. 
Everybody's a little different 

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and Journey to get that stage. 
So some people may not look you 

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know, the way that somebody 
thinks they should be looking 

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when they step on that stage but
they don't know what they had to

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go through the even get there. 
Absolutely, I've got, I've got 

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respect for anybody steps foot 
on a stage now, where they look 

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better than the next guy or not,
you know, just being there is 

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something to be proud of so hats
off to any competitors for sure.

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Definitely. 
So how's your prep going thus 

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far? 
You've been prepping now. 

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For what is it like 20 weeks or 
something? 

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Seems like 20 25 years. 
No no it's 14 weeks. 

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So I started thirty two weeks 
out for a pro show and I'm going

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to 14 weeks in and actually it's
going really well. 

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Quite surprised how quickly time
flies when you're in. 

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That's crap. 
Like so but I'm down, you know, 

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17.1 pounds. 
I started at 193 point for 5 

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pounds down to 175 .8. 
That's all you. 

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Five, six, five, six. 
Yeah. 

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So I did get, you know, pretty 
fluffy in the offseason, but I 

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will say that now that I can 
see, physique changes, we A 

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two-week. 
Its it just makes sense on why I

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had to take away, take 18 months
away from the stage. 

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Yeah, I'm probably in a better 
spot now than when I was last in

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2014 when I was prepping for 
2015. 

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Absolutely man. 
What have you always kind of 

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gone the route but there's some 
different ways to skin a cat. 

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Have you always kind of gone the
route where you get a lot 

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heavier in the offseason and 
then cut down. 

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Over a longer period of time or 
that something new. 

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No, I'd say. 
Like this is the heaviest that 

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I've ever been. 
Since I got married in 2070 oh, 

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20 2007. 
And and I got married, I was 

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like DEFCON 5 fluffy. 
Like I was like I was the power 

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of I lifted while helping, you 
know? 

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And so I was like 100. 
I was close to 200 pounds but I 

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did not. 
Not look the way that I looked 

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like 193, you know? 
I, I figured that I was going to

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gain weight a lot more than when
I did my four to six months for 

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six months and I expected that 
my happy. 

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Wait, I guess my my happy weight
in my previous building, phase 

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is more like 165. 
Like I could literally eat 

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whatever I wanted and stayed at 
165. 

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And when I most of my, before I 
started my other contests crap, 

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I started in like one 70s and I 
whittled down to, like, 150 like

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a lower on 50s, Higher 140s by 
contest. 

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How did you compete at your last
show? 

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One? 
Forty. 

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Seven. 
Point. 

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Eight pounds, man. 
Yeah, news in, I could just want

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his in the 14 is I didn't know 
what what exactly that that's 

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pretty loud, man. 
Yeah it was pretty, it was 

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pretty crazy man. 
I was like getting worried He's 

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like, man, my contest prep blow 
was like 144, and you would 

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nice, man. 
You look good. 

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Yeah, thanks man. 
But, yeah, my Kochi, he would 

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give me like, refeed days and 
I'd lose weight the next day. 

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Like that's how the private, I 
think, my body was. 

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Yeah, and, by peak week, that 
lasts for 2015, I, he kept 

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giving me like 300 car, you 
know, 400 car and When it was 

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being anyway and know he was 
just like, man, like you can 

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take on a lot of carbohydrates 
than, you know, a lot of other 

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people and slow pretty quickly. 
So I was eating tons of cards 

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just to fill out that show. 
So but yeah, there's no test 

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prep way different. 
Even my trainings different than

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previous contest. 
Preps, how so So I'm doing dup, 

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daily undulating organization, 
working with Roger and Ali 

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Baker, rad Fitness and 
Tri-Cities been working with 

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them since last December. 
And I just figured like, you 

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know what, if I'm going to work 
with a coach in contest prep, 

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how I deal, would it be if the 
art of knew what my body did and

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I liked. 
So I work with them and they 

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came up with their I mean tours 
like you no more volume because 

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volume and playing around with 
frequency. 

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So I'm doing like more bench. 
I'm doing deadlifts over at 

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pressing like all these big 
movements and I have never 

449
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,900
really done a lot of those big 
movements like, you know, 

450
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,300
frequently throughout the week. 
And even when I was doing 

451
00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:21,400
contests, perhaps, you know, I 
would be like no I can't do that

452
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,300
because Cuz that's like, that's 
at risk for injury. 

453
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:27,200
Like, there's just no way. 
Or when I did it, I didn't do as

454
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,300
much volume that I could 
probably done, right? 

455
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,400
And I feel like with this, now, 
I'm being able to retain a lot 

456
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,400
of my strength, which is really 
surprising to me, like my 

457
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,300
strength is still really good 17
pounds lighter. 

458
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,800
And, you know, when I was in the
1880s, like the lower one 80s, I

459
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,600
think I was Stronger, when you 
know strong. 180 that a deficit 

460
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,000
when I was at 193. 
You know, it's crazy. 

461
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,200
Yeah, it's awesome. 
When your strength starts going 

462
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,500
up after you've been tripping. 
Yeah. 

463
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:08,000
So I think that's made a huge 
impact on even how I trade my 

464
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,100
clients. 
Now, I'm like, whatever got you 

465
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:15,000
to gain muscle in the, in the 
building phase? 

466
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,900
You don't want to take that out 
during contest prep. 

467
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,100
Yeah, I want to use the same 
type of approach. 

468
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:24,900
Of course, you're going to have 
to Lower some of the loads and 

469
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:29,300
some of the intensity so that 
your body can recover as that 

470
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:33,900
deficit gets even further down 
the road, but it just makes 

471
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:37,700
sense. 
You know, I look at cone wolf, 

472
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:42,600
you know, is he's lift and all 
sorts of heavyweight still and 

473
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,100
you know, I'm the muscle that 
you can retain by doing that, 

474
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,700
it's just makes sense. 
Yeah, I mean, I think it's key. 

475
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,000
A lot of people, there's so many
misconceptions when it comes to 

476
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,900
like, building versus cutting, 
and it's been just like drilled 

477
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:02,300
into the general Public's mind 
that you lift, heavy weight, 

478
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:05,700
Bill, and then you live lighter 
weight with more reps to cut, 

479
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:07,700
right? 
That's what everybody says. 

480
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:11,200
It's like well, not really, it's
all about nutrition. 

481
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,000
I mean I try and live just as 
heavy. 

482
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,800
Like I write down all my right 
before I started prep Road and 

483
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,600
all my PR's for a working set 
and I'm going to try and 

484
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,600
maintain that. 
That same number throughout the 

485
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,200
whole process. 
I mean realistically I probably 

486
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,400
will go down some but I mean the
closer I can maintain those 

487
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,800
numbers a better because then 
that's just what like if your 

488
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,400
body starts lifting much less 
weight, it realizes that it 

489
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,200
doesn't need that muscle to lift
that way. 

490
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,900
So you lose the muscle. 
I mean pretty simple process. 

491
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,100
Yeah. 
Yeah, definitely. 

492
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:48,400
So it's made its made a huge 
impact as far as you know my 

493
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:54,200
perspective on contest preps and
No, as far as training and diet 

494
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:59,800
and know how even you know I 
share that with. 

495
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,700
Not even just my clients but 
even like all my social media 

496
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:08,300
know, the things I learned I 
feel like it's it's easy like 

497
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,900
easily, you can look at look it 
up on Google you can look up so 

498
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:16,100
much information as it's not 
that I should I don't feel a 

499
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:21,000
need to be able to hold all the 
information for my clients, 

500
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,600
right? 
You know, it's good to have a 

501
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,200
reputable Source. 
Those such as yourself, putting 

502
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,100
out, they get information 
because I mean, people can have,

503
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:32,600
you know, analysis paralysis. 
But I just getting this overload

504
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,400
of information, they don't know.
They're like frozen, they don't 

505
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,500
know what to do. 
And and there comes a point with

506
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:41,400
the best thing to do is just do 
something, you know, like you'll

507
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,100
figure out your body you'll 
learn as you go you can't like 

508
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:46,000
wait for the stars to align to 
start Russell. 

509
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,500
Never start. 
Yeah, exactly. 

510
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,300
Exactly. 
And that's the thing too. 

511
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:55,700
Is that, you know, know when you
when you work with people that 

512
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:59,100
they've obviously tried other 
approaches and just the fact 

513
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:02,600
that they're willing to try 
another approach or add to their

514
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,500
Foundation of what's working 
because at the end of the day, 

515
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:11,600
like, you know, I still take, 
you know, I did the Bro dieting,

516
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:15,700
you know, approach and for the 
first couple of years of contest

517
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:21,400
prepping and I still take some 
of those those learning points 

518
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,700
in You flexible dieting because 
you have to know. 

519
00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:27,400
Yeah, that will Foundation of 
food. 

520
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:34,700
And if you only look at the 
future approach and never find 

521
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:37,400
out like what was working in the
past like we never moved 

522
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,200
forward. 
You know you're just gravitating

523
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,100
to the next new new shiny toy. 
I agree completely I do, I'm 

524
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:47,900
kind of going off on a tangent 
with the keto contest prep. 

525
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:50,400
Right now I your guess is as 
good as mine on how that's going

526
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,800
to turn out. 
I'm kind of a human guinea pig 

527
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,600
right now but I figured I'd best
way to learn is to do it, you 

528
00:33:57,608 --> 00:33:59,100
know. 
Yeah, that's right man. 

529
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:02,200
But I mean honestly like the 
things that you've been able to 

530
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,400
do in Kyoto gives me a whole 
different perspective on 

531
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:14,500
training like I see you training
and I'm like dang and he's in 

532
00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:19,000
Quito well and it would have 
made you know, a lot of 

533
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,500
difference, I think you're 
breaking down, you know, Out of 

534
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:29,800
myths out there when it comes 
down to properly building and 

535
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,199
keto you know, and and what it's
going to look like when you 

536
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:37,900
prep, I mean, you already like 
you're you look really good man.

537
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:42,300
Appreciate it, man, I really do.
I don't the whole goal of this 

538
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,400
is to like break down some of 
the myths and find a healthier 

539
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,300
alternative to just doing 
different. 

540
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:54,199
There's no One right way to do 
contest prep. 

541
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:58,200
So if I can bring a healthier 
alternative to the mix, then 

542
00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:02,600
other people might respond well 
to that's the goal with this and

543
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,300
I'm added the whole two years 
and keytar I guess you year and 

544
00:35:05,308 --> 00:35:08,100
a half in the offseason and I 
saw a good results I felt 

545
00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:10,200
better. 
So I'm like well just rather 

546
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,200
than trying to you know change 
it again. 

547
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,500
I'll just try and continue the 
process to prep and see how it 

548
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:16,500
goes. 
But I mean once you actually 

549
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:19,700
switch over and you're in 
ketosis, those first that first 

550
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:21,700
month's pretty hard as first two
weeks, it really rough. 

551
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:27,000
Yeah, once you switch over, I 
mean your body adapts and like 

552
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,600
I've gotten stronger, I've 
gotten, I mean, I'm able to 

553
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,900
maintain a lean body weight. 
I don't hold water weight 

554
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:36,700
because I don't have the 
glycogen and I just feel 

555
00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:40,900
mentally better and I feel like 
it's healthy healthy 

556
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:43,700
alternative, you know, so we'll 
see my only concern is how I'm 

557
00:35:43,707 --> 00:35:46,100
going to be able to fill out 
onstage. 

558
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:48,900
Like, I don't doubt that I'll be
able to get lean enough. 

559
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,300
Yeah, I just want to make sure 
that I'm able to fill out and 

560
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:52,300
able to get it. 
Pump. 

561
00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:55,600
I was able to get really good 
pumps in the off season so 

562
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,400
hopefully I'll be able to 
maintain that as I'm leaner with

563
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,000
a deficit. 
But it's interesting man, I'm 

564
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,600
excited to be backstage with all
of y'all and I'll be like, yeah 

565
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:11,600
man, I'm at 30, 40 grams of fat,
I'm like yeah, I'm at 200, I 

566
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:19,000
really like but yeah, I mean, it
definitely brings in a different

567
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,200
different scope of how you can 
approach prep because You know, 

568
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,900
there's some people, I mean, I 
say a lot of people that 

569
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:28,000
struggle with the carbohydrate 
intake alone when you have to 

570
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,600
drop carbs. 
I mean and, you know, for some 

571
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,600
it's just like, not a big deal 
like they expect it. 

572
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,800
They just endure it and then 
there's some people, especially 

573
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,500
like new time competitors. 
People that have tried it, even 

574
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:44,400
flexible dieting and they 
manipulate their carbs and 

575
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,100
proteins and fats. 
And at the end of it, they're 

576
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:51,200
still eating low, you know, low 
carb, low fat. 

577
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:53,700
And And to sustain their 
progress. 

578
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:58,700
And if you can find a way that 
hey, you know what, like, you 

579
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:05,000
know, the is tracking my macros.
I know it works but when my car 

580
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,800
is get really low, my my mental 
fatigue, you know I can 

581
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:16,000
definitely see myself binging a 
lot more and you know I fell in 

582
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,300
that trap you know I think we 
all do absolutely fall in that 

583
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:22,600
trap after contest prep Oh my 
gosh. 

584
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,300
Like, yeah, I'm supposed to 
reverse out of my diet a little 

585
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:28,400
bit, but that ain't happening. 
Like you. 

586
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:30,600
Did you rebound after your first
show? 

587
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:34,000
I rebound. 
After like the first couple 

588
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,900
shows, man. 
Like, I know my first attempt 

589
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:43,300
words, like, trying to keep my, 
my physical appearance, what 

590
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:49,400
that can 2009-2010 and it's like
a local gym type contest and I 

591
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,600
run my body into the ground at 
12 weeks. 

592
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,600
Is that like no idea how to do 
anything and I just dropped my 

593
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,300
carbs out of every meal, 
basically, by the end of it, 

594
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,500
even two hours of cardio at the 
end of it. 

595
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:08,700
I was just like, you know what? 
I don't even care and I like a 

596
00:38:08,707 --> 00:38:11,900
large pizza by myself, by Pizza 
Hut. 

597
00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:14,300
I went and ate all. 
You can eat sushi. 

598
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,000
I, you know, I just ran my body 
into the ground and within like 

599
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,400
a week I gained like, I don't 
know, of the We found. 

600
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,700
I think. 
Yeah. 

601
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:27,100
It's a real man. 
What your body does like that 

602
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,600
week after show? 
Yeah. 

603
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:32,000
And I was just like, what the 
heck? 

604
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,000
I digestion issues. 
I just can't assimilate 

605
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,200
anything, you know and but of 
course I never learned. 

606
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,100
So the next two times that I 
contest prepped in 2012 and 2013

607
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:48,100
like I just had this unhealthy 
relationship with food like, you

608
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:51,700
know, I was just like, man, it 
just didn't make sense for me to

609
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,900
To be so restricted in a contest
prep, which made sense, and they

610
00:38:55,900 --> 00:39:00,600
had to eat less but restrictive 
as far as like foods and food 

611
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,400
choices. 
And so, by the time I was done 

612
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,000
with conscience by the false, so
deprived I'll be able to eat 

613
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,900
time food. 
I mean, even all sorts of foods 

614
00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:14,400
and gaining tons of weight gain 
so much body fat in a short 

615
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,900
period of time and don't even 
run me up again body fat. 

616
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:21,400
But in a short period of time, 
it's such a stressor on the 

617
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,300
body. 
Yes, terrible. 

618
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,600
Your body image. 
Just goes out the window 

619
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:30,500
depressed man, like it's such a,
such a mental aspect to it. 

620
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,400
It's like you're your mind, 
everybody's is a little bit 

621
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,500
different but like for me after 
my first show because I went 

622
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:39,700
from 2:30 to 150 and three 
months. 

623
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:44,500
And like, I just basically 
starved myself to get there and 

624
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:49,000
then afterwards it was like my 
brain didn't send the chemical 

625
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,000
leptin through my body, 
whatever? 

626
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000
And I had like me, No sense of 
fullness. 

627
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,200
I didn't even know what being 
full felt like. 

628
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,200
Yeah, like it didn't register. 
So I could eat. 

629
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,100
I could eat man. 
I would sit down and eat 20,000 

630
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:06,800
calories in a meal and then I 
had like, realize that I just 

631
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,000
ate 20,000 cars in the mail and 
then I'd be like, depressed and 

632
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,500
then I'm like there's a couple 
times. 

633
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:14,400
I can force myself to puke, you 
know, and that's like when 

634
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,100
you're doing that. 
It's like, this is not a healthy

635
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:20,700
lifestyle, exactly. 
So I mean everybody, you know, 

636
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:25,500
struggles and I People like 
contest prep is hard but host 

637
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:30,600
contest as when, you know, the 
mental game really hits you 

638
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:35,800
because you come off such that 
high and then you have nothing, 

639
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,000
you have like, no showing you 
have no show coming up so you 

640
00:40:40,008 --> 00:40:41,500
almost left out of sorts, you 
know. 

641
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:43,300
You coming off that highest 
don't know that. 

642
00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:46,600
You're so tunnel vision at that 
point by the end of it. 

643
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:53,000
So, you know, it's it's 
definitely a A different type of

644
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,600
challenge when the after you're 
done. 

645
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:58,700
Yeah, absolutely, it's awesome. 
It's awesome. 

646
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:00,400
Beautiful 80. 
People like this domain, like 

647
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,700
the camaraderie at the show that
we're doing Kevin James, put on 

648
00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:07,400
an awesome show, but like, it 
was sit down backstage and 

649
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,900
relate with the other 
competitors. 

650
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:13,400
I mean, I don't know what the 
class is weight are forget, but 

651
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:17,300
is it 165, cut off, 165, cut 
off. 

652
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:20,500
So you and I are probably in the
same class is a class, man. 

653
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:23,300
That's, that's awesome, man. 
Yeah, we're competitors. 

654
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:26,900
And we're just talking on 
podcast, you know, it's awesome.

655
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,200
Yeah man. 
I got to be honest with you, 

656
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,800
like I've never competed in the 
MVC or other organizations and I

657
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:41,600
ever since I'm just glad that I 
did my first show and like a 

658
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:47,400
natural organization because 
that's what, you know, the 

659
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,200
people that you meet and even 
backstage Like, yeah, we're 

660
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,400
competitive, but we're all 
friends. 

661
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,700
Like, that's when we can all 
relate nobody's out to get 

662
00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:03,000
anybody else, you know? 
And I just heard horror stories 

663
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:08,400
and other other organizations, 
but it's just that's one of the 

664
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,200
components that keeps me going 
to these shows. 

665
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,700
Like, even when I'm not 
competing and I got attend these

666
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:18,400
shows, it's just exciting 
because you see the people that 

667
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:21,600
you follow their Journeys, you 
saw them backstage. 

668
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,700
When you were competing and you 
would people in the audience, 

669
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:29,200
you know, it's just, it's an 
amazing environment. 

670
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:32,000
It's almost like family, 
Thanksgiving, you know, 

671
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,400
everybody gets together. 
You know, about, anybody see him

672
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,500
on social media, you kind of, 
you know, corresponding with 

673
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:38,300
him. 
And this day comes, you're all 

674
00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:40,400
together in the same room again.
Yeah. 

675
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,000
Offseason or whether you're 
competing. 

676
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,600
You know? 
It's just, it's just good. 

677
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:47,200
Yeah, when you finally get to 
meet people from social media 

678
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:52,400
though, like, you know, I had, 
you know, I saw you Do you pee 

679
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:59,300
like I saw your progress in your
working with con Amy Roush, like

680
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,700
I saw her Instagram and then we 
finally met up at, you know, the

681
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:07,700
WWF show, any competing with 
each other. 

682
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:11,600
Like, you know, that's just 
exciting to be able to finally 

683
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,400
meet people that you've been 
like, seeing their Journeys. 

684
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,900
And you've never met them 
before. 

685
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,300
And then boom, you see him on, 
you know, showed a yeah, it's 

686
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:24,200
awesome. 
And he definitely likes a fire 

687
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,800
in your belly to like be the 
best you could be and then also 

688
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,000
push all your friends and 
competitors be the best they can

689
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,200
be. 
It's just nothing else like it 

690
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:38,500
and I've done to NPC shows 
before and you don't get that 

691
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:40,900
with those, you know, at least 
in my experience maybe it's the 

692
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:42,100
location. 
Maybe it's the show. 

693
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:46,100
But comradery with the wnba's 
shows are phenomenal. 

694
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:49,400
Yeah, for sure. 
And we got, we got quite the 

695
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,600
crew coming to this. 
When we got Lionel, constantini 

696
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:55,200
And even myself is Lionel doing 
a show before. 

697
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,900
Do you know, I don't think, yes.
But yeah, it's going to be a 

698
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:05,900
great show man as far as who's 
showing up, and that's always 

699
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:08,500
like a competitive stage, which 
is awesome, you know. 

700
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,800
Yeah. 
So, am I going to be up against 

701
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,600
Lionel again? 
I don't know, man. 

702
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:20,100
You know, he had a late start, 
but you know what? 

703
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,600
He's like, He liked this diode 
and he is, it's crazy man. 

704
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:30,600
But, but I expect like an epic 
battle, man. 

705
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:33,800
Yeah. 
Like the Ronnie Coleman. 

706
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,700
Jay Cutler. 
No. 

707
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:40,800
Trilogy going on here. 
Yeah, it's been very interesting

708
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,900
because I think his last show 
was the one that we all did, you

709
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:44,800
know? 
Yeah. 

710
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:47,800
Yeah. 
And then Aaron Orton did his 

711
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,400
earlier this year, get his Pro 
card, right? 

712
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,500
Yeah. 
You look great too. 

713
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:54,200
To he did man. 
I was there when I saw him when 

714
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,400
his Pro card and I was like, man
you are. 

715
00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:02,500
This is what happens when you 
are mentally driven to M. 

716
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:05,800
Sure. 
Body to a whole new level like 

717
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,500
it's possible. 
Absolutely ma'am. 

718
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,100
Is, I'm trying to get caught up 
on the rules and regulations 

719
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:15,400
here. 
They recently changed the show 

720
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,600
to it's now like, a super pro 
qualifiers. 

721
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,400
That's broke off our says long 
as you win your class, you 

722
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,400
actually become a pro. 
They do have an overripe, the 

723
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,000
end, there's still an overall. 
Yeah, still an overall, at the 

724
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,100
end, I believe. 
It's just that, you know, it's 

725
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:36,100
all the all the class Learners. 
So interesting, very cool. 

726
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:37,400
Yeah, I'm excited, it'll be 
good. 

727
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,000
Kevin Linda, put on a good job. 
Good show. 

728
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:42,900
How much more time you get? 
Man. 

729
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,500
That's much time as you need 
man. 

730
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,000
Alrighty well let's let's tell 
me about your coaching manual 

731
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,000
online. 
Coach each other that four 

732
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,400
months ago. 
How's that going for you? 

733
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:54,500
It's going, it's going well, 
man. 

734
00:45:55,700 --> 00:46:00,000
I, you know, I made the 
decision, you know, I did. 

735
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,500
I did some coaching last year 
people will reach out to you, 

736
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:08,600
because I mean, I post all sorts
of stuff like, you know, maybe 

737
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,900
too much sometimes. 
But I post a lot of information 

738
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,700
and, you know, I post, you know,
photos and people just come out 

739
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:20,800
and do ask me like questions, 
they'll message me. 

740
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:23,800
No. 
And I got to the point where I 

741
00:46:23,808 --> 00:46:28,500
was like, man, you know what, I 
really love helping people, you 

742
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:30,600
know. 
Yeah, I coach people in like a 

743
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,500
clinical setting or like 
corporate Wellness, my other 

744
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:38,400
jobs, but I really do like, 
helping people and I just really

745
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,900
got into like, hey, you know 
what, maybe I can make this an 

746
00:46:41,908 --> 00:46:46,800
actual like side business, and 
it makes me, you know, cultivate

747
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,800
it and So, four months ago I was
like I made the decision. 

748
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,000
Like let's go ahead and you 
know, register for business 

749
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,300
license and do it the right way.
And, you know, I think that's 

750
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:05,500
been very fun to, you know, 
promote something that's yours 

751
00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:09,100
and they would have helped help 
people. 

752
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:12,600
So right now, been working with 
I work with like five day 

753
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,100
individuals. 
You know, that out of time. 

754
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:17,400
May I think that's the most I've
worked with so far. 

755
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:23,400
But it's you know people that 
are impressed by people that are

756
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,700
just trying to build and even 
have people that are just trying

757
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:31,500
to be healthy and so I work with
a variety of different people 

758
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:35,700
and I feel like that's you know 
it's just a passion of mine so 

759
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:39,700
that's that's been very very 
grateful for that. 

760
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,700
Absolutely man. 
Are you doing? 

761
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:46,100
What what what's the official 
name of the business now is just

762
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:52,000
all your name. 
Hey, You know, I couldn't do 

763
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,700
that because it's copyrighted of
course. 

764
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:59,400
And so I did my cos T motivation
nutrition and training all 

765
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,600
spelled out. 
So that way I'm not going to 

766
00:48:02,607 --> 00:48:06,000
kiss if you don't want you only 
get sued. 

767
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,500
So yeah that's why I did it. 
I was like man I'm really into 

768
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:13,700
the Ninja Turtles. 
You know, like people that know 

769
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:18,600
me. 
I'm always like wearing Teenage 

770
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,400
Mutant Ninja Turtle stuff and my
routine with 2015. 

771
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:29,800
I did I did one course the theme
song but, you know, I, but when 

772
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:35,100
I was coming up with the name, I
was like, you know, I really I 

773
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:40,100
really wanted something that was
going to be, you know, such a 

774
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:43,800
and so that's why I came up with
that name and of course, team 

775
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,200
and motivation had to be first, 
you know, because Cuz we all 

776
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,200
need support. 
And all my competitors, they do 

777
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,800
know each other's have my own 
Facebook closed group, with all 

778
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,500
the people that I work with, 
even the ones that have kind of 

779
00:49:00,508 --> 00:49:02,000
moved on, they're still in that 
group. 

780
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,800
So they could still feel that 
sense of camaraderie, you know, 

781
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:09,600
Emily and we just motivate each 
other. 

782
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:14,000
You know, through that that was 
so social media Outlet. 

783
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:19,200
Also man, like, one of the 
reasons, Wanted to interview for

784
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:25,200
podcasts because like you put so
much attention energy and 

785
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,100
thought into like all of your 
posts on Facebook. 

786
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:32,100
Like there's a lot of social 
media content there nowadays and

787
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:35,200
a lot of it is often made you 
just to get another like a 

788
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,500
thumbs up. 
But like, you post religiously 

789
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:41,400
and it's always something you 
can tell that you put some 

790
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,200
thought into. 
So I appreciate that, man. 

791
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,700
It's good quality content. 
Well, I appreciate you saying 

792
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:48,400
that. 
That man. 

793
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:54,400
You know, I it's interesting 
because I will post all times 

794
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,800
during the day. 
You know, I if I thought comes 

795
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,600
into my mind and I'm like, man, 
yeah, let that sounds sounds 

796
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,600
like, it sounds like a good, a 
good thought. 

797
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,100
I'll put it in there rather than
doing it later. 

798
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:17,500
And so I try to, especially 
during contest prep, you know. 

799
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:21,700
Being able to coach people while
your contest prep totally 

800
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:25,000
different. 
But, you know, the, you know, 

801
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:30,400
the things that my clients go 
through and potential clients 

802
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:36,300
and even patients that I work 
with and my job as they, as they

803
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:39,300
tell me about their experiences 
or the challenges, that's why 

804
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:42,100
posts, you know? 
Because it's not specifically 

805
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:46,000
for them but I'm like, this is 
going to help other people, 

806
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:49,400
maybe With the same type of 
experience. 

807
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,400
Hopefully that'll that'll help. 
Yeah, that's the right way to do

808
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:54,600
it. 
Man starts with the right 

809
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,100
motivation man that you know. 
Yeah very good. 

810
00:50:58,900 --> 00:51:00,900
Well no your get it, you're 
gonna kick. 

811
00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:03,900
You keep the content coming man.
Like it's it's it's like a 

812
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:08,100
full-time job to create content.
One of the things. 

813
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:10,000
Yeah. 
So one of the things that I got 

814
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:18,600
into wanting to make a business 
for coaching is I had And a 

815
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:23,000
mentor reach out to me a coach 
that I like, you know, I really 

816
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,900
looked up to, I didn't ask him, 
you know, to help me, he reached

817
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:32,100
out to me and he would meet 
with, like, he would contact me 

818
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:37,000
every Sunday for for like, a 
couple months and he would 

819
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,300
discuss like, oh, you know what,
this is your goal, you know, 

820
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:42,600
this is what we're going to plan
around for this is your homework

821
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,100
for the upcoming weekend. 
A lot of the information he gave

822
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:48,000
me. 
He was like, you know, the way 

823
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:55,300
that you post, the way that you 
connect with people, you know, 

824
00:51:55,300 --> 00:52:01,700
you have to be really continue 
no consistent with your posts 

825
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,700
and that's what's going to allow
people to get to know, you know,

826
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:09,700
the type of coaching that you 
do, just do the way that you're 

827
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:13,100
posting things and that like, 
give me hard. 

828
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:14,300
I'm like, yeah, that's true 
though. 

829
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,100
Everybody sees what you post. 
No matter if they like it or 

830
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:21,800
not, you know. 
And the way that you portray 

831
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,400
yourself, living is easy to find
a trap of like, you know, you 

832
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,600
only give Sims and pieces of 
what you want people to see, 

833
00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:32,100
right? 
Really real with them. 

834
00:52:32,100 --> 00:52:36,500
Like, hey, I should probably let
this contest prep isn't easy. 

835
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:39,700
Like this is the real ins and 
outs of what you should be doing

836
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:43,900
or some ideas around it. 
People are going to gravitate to

837
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:45,700
review. 
You because they're going to see

838
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:51,200
like you know that your 
personality through it. 

839
00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:57,400
Absolutely. 
What's been like your your what 

840
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,800
media Outlets or social media 
channel have? 

841
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:08,000
You seen the most feedback on I 
would say that it's Facebook 

842
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,800
Facebook and I do Instagram 
quite a bit like I'm always 

843
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:17,000
posting their and The cool thing
is, I've had like a few people 

844
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,600
reach out to me on Instagram of 
had somebody from. 

845
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,400
I'm working with somebody and 
Slovakia coaching her for the 

846
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,000
past. 
So I'm going to be like, six 

847
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,100
months soon in the next couple 
weeks I've been working with 

848
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:30,800
her. 
She wants to do our first bikini

849
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,000
prep. 
She reached out to me back in, 

850
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,300
like, June. 
And I thought it was almost 

851
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:38,900
like, I'm always so hesitant 
when it's on like Instagram 

852
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:42,300
because you never know where 
these people are coming from. 

853
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:46,500
And when they tell me like, Oh, 
I mean, I'm in Slovakia I'm like

854
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:48,900
okay number one. 
Seller really know where that is

855
00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:52,600
and I hope this is a real 
person. 

856
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:57,100
Yeah, you just never know. 
And that's the scary thing for 

857
00:53:57,100 --> 00:54:02,600
me personally is just knowing 
how genuine a person is if they 

858
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:08,200
really are trying to trap you. 
Or I don't know if I'm just 

859
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,100
trying to be like being 
overcautious but in Facebook, if

860
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:13,700
it was a little more safe for 
me. 

861
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:19,600
A bit more control but you know 
I met with her and been doing 

862
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,000
Skype and FaceTime all that good
stuff and it's big one really 

863
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,700
well and then I've had another 
person from the Dominican 

864
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:30,800
Republic, contact. 
Me and she keeps all my post and

865
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,600
just follow me for a while and 
you know, she would needed help 

866
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,400
with macronutrients and 
understanding it. 

867
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:43,400
And I even I even like, charger.
I was just more like, I mean, 

868
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,000
you don't need Coaching you just
need more education, you know, 

869
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:56,000
and another person in Cali and 
she's done a couple figure 

870
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,200
competitions and the NPC done 
really well but she wanted a 

871
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,400
flexible approach. 
So we work with her or 12 weeks.

872
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,000
So I have little Snippets here 
and there that will happen from 

873
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,300
Instagram but for the most part 
screwed Facebook but you're 

874
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,600
gonna get into YouTube scene and
They try and get into that 

875
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:20,400
market. 
I've been doing I do YouTube but

876
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,200
not like consistent as 
consistent as I should be. 

877
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,300
I've been trying to document my 
contest prep a little bit more 

878
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:31,600
with updates with my YouTube. 
So you need to be a little bit 

879
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,600
more religious. 
I mean, I do have a YouTube 

880
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,900
channel, it's just like I need 
to do a little bit more 

881
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:44,600
marketing and I think that's one
thing too is when I was Talking 

882
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,100
with my mentor. 
He's like, you know, what's your

883
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:50,000
social media? 
You know, how do you, how do you

884
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,300
get information out there and 
it's like YouTube, man. 

885
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:58,400
You know, he kept saying like 
YouTube, the big one because you

886
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,200
gotta think about it, like, you 
got the mat. 

887
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,400
Oh, gus' you've got Chris 
Elkins. 

888
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,900
You got these people that are 
really consistent with their 

889
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:12,400
content, and, you know, the type
of content that people gravitate

890
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,200
to. 
And so you just have to do you 

891
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:19,500
When not spread the word across 
how you promote it, absolutely. 

892
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,600
I'm just so, it's a lot of work.
It takes a lot of discipline, 

893
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,500
dedication. 
I mean, like, it's just like the

894
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:28,600
vlogging Style videos, you know,
to like peaceful that together 

895
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,600
and edit it out. 
I mean, I've been trying to 

896
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,200
dabble in that and it's, it's 
hard, man. 

897
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,500
It's all right. 
And like your first videos, your

898
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:38,500
first podcast, your first, 
anything it's like, this is 

899
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:49,300
terrible. 
And you can do stuff on your 

900
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:53,600
phone and you can add your own 
music and all this stuff. 

901
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,200
And I was like man the door is 
so there's so many different 

902
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,700
doors and how you can do it. 
Oh yeah for sure you know so I 

903
00:57:01,707 --> 00:57:05,700
think yeah it's just it's 
something that I definitely have

904
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:11,000
to dive into a little bit more 
so I goes for both of us man is 

905
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:15,500
always something new to learn 
some new Type of marketing 

906
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:17,800
strategy to get the content out 
there for other people to 

907
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,800
absorb. 
Sure, sure, I'm excited to see 

908
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,300
where you take. 
Take your business, man. 

909
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:26,500
What's the what's the end? 
Goal long-term big picture? 

910
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:33,800
Yeah, and go would be man. 
Like I honestly want to be my 

911
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,700
own boss. 
I want to be able to coach 

912
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:41,700
people and not have to be 
strapped to a regular job, you 

913
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:45,200
know? 
And And to be honest with you, 

914
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:50,000
like I thrive on seeing other 
people's progress. 

915
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,600
Like I do everything on Google 
Sheets for my clients and I can 

916
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,400
see everything in life time. 
So I always like look at their 

917
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,600
stuff and you know, comment on 
things I just absolutely love 

918
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,800
it. 
Like I think that being able to 

919
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:10,500
do that for you know as a career
and something that's realistic 

920
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:15,100
something that I'd love to know.
They can't. 

921
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,300
So it's definitely doable, man. 
I mean, it can be done, it. 

922
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:23,000
Just one of the main things I've
learned about business because 

923
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,600
I've had like other things going
before. 

924
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,400
Keto Savage kids. 
Having just kind of like the in 

925
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,900
part that what I've learned over
the years, but it does not 

926
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:36,300
happen quickly, it doesn't 
happen overnight. 

927
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:39,000
Like, everything I've learned in
bodybuilding can be directly 

928
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,000
applied to business. 
Like it takes consistent 

929
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,200
discipline, dedication, hard 
work. 

930
00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:49,700
Over time, you know and I'm like
not a patient person so it's not

931
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:56,500
easy for me, right? 
Yeah, it does take time man. 

932
00:58:56,500 --> 00:59:01,300
And for me, you know, although 
I'm working with like 58 

933
00:59:01,300 --> 00:59:08,200
individuals at a time, it allows
me to have the time that's 

934
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,300
necessary to develop my skill 
set and although it's not 

935
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:17,300
growing like exponential Ali, 
the people that come to me now 

936
00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:20,900
or more referrals, which is 
really nice. 

937
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:26,000
You know, it shows that even 
though people have made moved on

938
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,400
to like another approach for 
something new is the experience 

939
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,600
that they had with you. 
Like, hey, you know what, I had 

940
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,000
a really good experience with 
with Michael working with him. 

941
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:40,600
I think that you're do great and
I even work with general 

942
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,200
population. 
So it's not like you have to be 

943
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,000
wanting to do. 
Show, right? 

944
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:51,900
And I think the more you have a 
little bit more open towards 

945
00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:56,600
helping you know, general 
population versus just keep 

946
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,100
unconscious because we're a 
small breed, you know, a small 

947
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:03,100
population but if you really 
want to help people opening that

948
01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:09,100
door with, I can help anybody, 
you know, all sorts of 

949
01:00:09,100 --> 01:00:13,900
populations, doesn't matter. 
You know, you open the door of 

950
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:16,400
how You can Market yourself and 
gently. 

951
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,000
I was looking into being like a 
diet Doc and you're working with

952
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,700
dr. 
Joe and, you know, having that 

953
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:34,200
type of licensee licensure and 
that was like at the beginning 

954
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:38,800
of the year, I was like really 
like debating to do that and go 

955
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,200
through that process. 
So that might still happen. 

956
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:47,400
But one of the things that dr. 
Joe told me, I talked to him was

957
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:51,600
like, how willing are you work? 
How willing are you to work with

958
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,400
the general population? 
And I was like I have no problem

959
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:56,900
working at the general 
population. 

960
01:00:56,900 --> 01:01:02,600
Actually love people that are 
driven without having a contest 

961
01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:07,500
ended and he's like that's 
really good because general 

962
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:09,500
population. 
There's a lot more of them. 

963
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,000
Yeah. 
When contest prep and you 

964
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,800
actually get to get a This of 
different mindsets different 

965
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:22,900
types of challenges and you can 
grow a lot further than some of 

966
01:01:22,900 --> 01:01:25,100
just helping somebody in the 
contest crowd. 

967
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:30,200
Absolutely. 
So yeah I'm kind of I'm kind of 

968
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:35,100
going super Niche with the keto 
in hopes that it does take off 

969
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:39,300
and becomes more mainstream but 
yeah, you definitely don't want.

970
01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:41,500
There's a fine there's a balance
for sure you don't want to find 

971
01:01:41,500 --> 01:01:44,100
you don't want to limit your 
Market. 

972
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:47,300
Any means. 
But yeah, I'm trying to become 

973
01:01:47,300 --> 01:01:49,800
more specialized towards the key
though because, you know, 

974
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,000
hopefully, you know, in go of 
that that becomes more 

975
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,000
mainstream than I can kind of be
seen as you know, an expert in 

976
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,400
that field. 
But that no. 

977
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,900
I mean do you know of any other 
body butter doing keto? 

978
01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:06,700
So I don't even know. 
So there's one guy like he. 

979
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:13,300
Yeah my friends Josh he's 
competed couple times and he 

980
01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:18,000
came from like Like you know, 
being really overweight and he 

981
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:25,900
competed and he is s is s show. 
He went he do really and you 

982
01:02:25,900 --> 01:02:31,000
know he he was really into you 
know he's like yeah my body just

983
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,100
responds a lot better to hire 
fat like for some reason, like I

984
01:02:34,107 --> 01:02:37,400
have no desire for 
carbohydrates, you know, give me

985
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:42,300
the fact and you know, I think 
he came in better than what he 

986
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:46,300
looked like you know as first 
Around his first year competing,

987
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:52,500
but yeah, I know, he does he do 
even for powerlifting and he 

988
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:54,500
still killing the game, like 
it's insane. 

989
01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:59,100
Like this guy is gonna probably 
go to Nationals or powerlifting.

990
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,400
And what's his name again? 
Josh Bravo. 

991
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,300
Let's look him up. 
Yeah, he's a he's a really nice 

992
01:03:07,300 --> 01:03:11,800
guy, man. 
He but he's the first person 

993
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,100
that I've really known that stun
Heat. 

994
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:19,600
No, through his building doctors
contest prep. 

995
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,400
But I mean, he's not, he wasn't 
like, you know, he has his own 

996
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,000
journey of like coming down from
such a high weight. 

997
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:31,600
And, you know, you look, you 
know, look better than what he 

998
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,700
did his first year competing, 
which is always the goal. 

999
01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:38,900
Yeah, but yeah, he's killing the
game in powerlifting man. 

1000
01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:42,400
Like he is super strong and he's
in Quito. 

1001
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:44,100
All right, so I can look them 
up. 

1002
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:45,800
Man, get him on the podcast. 
Maybe. 

1003
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:50,500
Yeah, he's really cool that. 
I think he's a what was his 

1004
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:51,600
buddy? 
Do fellas, anything. 

1005
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,100
So he's a coach is a high school
coach. 

1006
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:55,500
Alright. 
For. 

1007
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:02,100
And so he's a be something that 
you should talk to connect with.

1008
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:05,800
And if amazed I will reach out 
to him for sure in powerlifting 

1009
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,100
but it was interesting because 
you brought up the point of you 

1010
01:04:09,107 --> 01:04:13,100
don't know how you're going to 
fill out and is interesting 

1011
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:17,800
because his coach is My coach 
and they did different scenarios

1012
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,400
they're like let's try just 
overload you with even more fat 

1013
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:27,000
and see if you fell out and then
they did like a carbohydrate 

1014
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:32,900
approach to see what happened 
for him and he totally looked 

1015
01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:36,400
way better with super high fat. 
Really? 

1016
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,100
Yeah to fill out. 
Yeah. 

1017
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,300
That's that's interesting 
because like like when I was in 

1018
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:45,800
the offseason although When we 
can have in the crevice like 

1019
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,000
there's that much difference. 
Like when I'm on an extreme 

1020
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,300
caloric excess. 
Yeah and I fill out and have a 

1021
01:04:53,308 --> 01:04:57,000
really good pump and at this 
look that good pump. 

1022
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,700
Now, it's not the same thing. 
Maybe it's because my belly's 

1023
01:04:59,700 --> 01:05:01,300
not fun. 
I feel like I got a full bar, 

1024
01:05:01,300 --> 01:05:06,100
just feel bigger, but my 
Approach, I think in the past 

1025
01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:09,200
where I would eat, you know, 400
grams of carbs, having a grams 

1026
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:10,300
of carbs. 
And I before I think I'm just 

1027
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:14,000
going to eat like, like two big 
old ribeye steaks. 

1028
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:18,700
Man, just the full fat, put some
butter on there and then see how

1029
01:05:18,707 --> 01:05:20,300
that works, you know. 
Yeah. 

1030
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:25,000
Well, he, so, I was there at the
show where he competed and I was

1031
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,600
like, dude. 
So, how, how did you so, that's 

1032
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,300
when he told me it's like, yeah,
we tried an approach where I 

1033
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:37,200
like cut the carbs and I went 
down and did some posing with my

1034
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,500
with coach. 
And, you know, I didn't look 

1035
01:05:39,500 --> 01:05:42,500
good man. 
Like, I, you know, I look really

1036
01:05:42,500 --> 01:05:46,000
soft. 
This is that was his first 

1037
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,800
carbon reduction. 
He was getting and they just 

1038
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,100
overloaded my carbs, right? 
Then. 

1039
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,000
Yeah. 
Just to see like if that was 

1040
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,200
going to do anything. 
And yeah, he's like I can't just

1041
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:59,600
I can't assimilate any cars man.
And then they did a super high 

1042
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,000
fat approach and then, boom. 
That's when he started with 

1043
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,500
Carter and, you know, he filled 
out. 

1044
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,100
And so that's what they want. 
And so, when I went to the show 

1045
01:06:08,900 --> 01:06:11,000
is that the hotel is like, do 
what are you eating? 

1046
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,800
He's like, well, I gotta, you 
know, I got all these cool off a

1047
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:14,800
car. 
Toes. 

1048
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:19,600
I've got like all these own, 
like you just going off on all 

1049
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:26,000
these different facets like bam.
I could never do that look, but 

1050
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:31,900
it was just insane on how much 
she was eating fat content wise.

1051
01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:34,300
And it's just a different 
approach, man, like it was 

1052
01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:37,900
enlightening. 
It's I mean fats, like that's an

1053
01:06:37,900 --> 01:06:40,600
essential nutrient, man. 
You gotta have fat, you like, I 

1054
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,000
talked to, like, I think Aaron 
was saying on his last prep, 

1055
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,500
like he was cutting out fish oil
pills because he had it like 

1056
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:50,100
limit that much fat. 
And I'm like, man, it's crazy. 

1057
01:06:50,900 --> 01:06:56,500
I've been just dying, right? 
Yeah, I definitely do not want 

1058
01:06:56,500 --> 01:06:58,400
to go low. 
I don't want to feel like I'm 

1059
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,800
starving at all, you know. 
I don't ever want to feel like 

1060
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:06,600
my body is malnourished. 
Yeah, so I would say that right 

1061
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,100
now. 
This is the highest that I've 

1062
01:07:08,100 --> 01:07:11,000
ever had and yeah, I'm not 
hungry like that. 

1063
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:16,700
I started my contest prep at 120
grams of fat and, you know, for 

1064
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:20,700
somebody that's You know, not 
anything I'm doing. 

1065
01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:23,600
Ketogenic and 120 grams is, 
what's it like? 

1066
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,700
And it's like and I was like, 
man, this is the most fat over 

1067
01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:33,000
have never hungry and then like,
and even now I'm at 90 grams and

1068
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:38,700
usually at this point in prep, 
I'm down to like 50, you know, 

1069
01:07:38,707 --> 01:07:42,400
55 and that's where the hunger 
gets in. 

1070
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:50,600
And my protein is that it was a 
All those to loan, you know are 

1071
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:56,300
definitely making me satiated. 
Yes, it's for sure, man. 

1072
01:07:56,300 --> 01:07:59,900
It you just stay full of much 
longer like I'll eat, I won't 

1073
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:03,100
even eat my first million till 
like noon today and probably and

1074
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:08,300
then I'll eat every, you know, 
or four or five hours even. 

1075
01:08:08,700 --> 01:08:10,500
Yeah. 
Which is nice because it's so 

1076
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:12,300
much more practical for me than 
to. 

1077
01:08:12,308 --> 01:08:15,500
Like have I got one of those you
know, six-pack Fitness lunch 

1078
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:18,000
boxes. 
It's just like a suitcase. 

1079
01:08:18,100 --> 01:08:19,899
Practically. 
And I used to carry that around 

1080
01:08:19,899 --> 01:08:23,200
everywhere and now it's like I 
can just eat, you know, three 

1081
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,700
meals a day and be good. 
Yeah, so yeah. 

1082
01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:29,899
That's I mean that's definitely 
you have to think about like 

1083
01:08:29,899 --> 01:08:33,399
what's realistic, you know what 
can you stay consistent with you

1084
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:37,399
know, and telling somebody that 
you have to eat you know, every 

1085
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:42,100
few hours or like all that stuff
and if it's not realistic or 

1086
01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:44,600
somewhere just becomes more of a
burden. 

1087
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,600
Yeah, I don't know what to do 
for a long haul butt. 

1088
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,200
I mean, that shortens the window
of time that you get to eat too,

1089
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,800
so that's even more better 
because now you get to eat more 

1090
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,899
during those. 
There are those videos. 

1091
01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:58,899
Yeah. 
That's, that's nice man. 

1092
01:08:58,899 --> 01:09:01,899
I used to like 87 meals and I'd 
be like, just tiny little bit of

1093
01:09:01,907 --> 01:09:04,899
pepper. 
Now, let's savor every look. 

1094
01:09:04,899 --> 01:09:09,000
Like, I'd lick the bottom of the
Tupperware, you know, and now, 

1095
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,800
it's not quite as bad. 
I can have some sanity while I 

1096
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,899
prep, which is nice. 
Yeah, because I thought about 

1097
01:09:14,899 --> 01:09:20,700
getting like, Boys about getting
rid of fasting so that you 

1098
01:09:20,700 --> 01:09:22,200
shorten that window of time to 
eat. 

1099
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,000
I've introduced that to some of 
my competitors as their food 

1100
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:30,100
gets less and, you know, and and
they're like, you know, how do I

1101
01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:33,800
ensure that I am not eating all 
my food in these little 

1102
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:40,399
tupperware's or they're not, you
know, not feeling as hungry and 

1103
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:42,899
you just need to talk about 
volume and you talk about 

1104
01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:46,000
intermittent fasting definitely 
plays a huge role. 

1105
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,300
I think, for some people, if you
can In that window of time that 

1106
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:54,000
you're eating and you get to you
get to have a little bit more in

1107
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,800
your plate. 
Yeah. 

1108
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,400
Visually and mentally. 
If you see that, that bigger 

1109
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,100
plate of food, you love more 
happier. 

1110
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,400
You know, do they respond pretty
well to the intermittent 

1111
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,000
fasting? 
Yeah, I would say. 

1112
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:11,400
So it's just about like, it's a 
different mindset that you have 

1113
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,800
to understand that. 
Hey, if you're going to be 

1114
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,900
eating, you know, in the shorter
window time is that really real?

1115
01:10:18,100 --> 01:10:22,300
Listed for you with your family.
You know, the way that that your

1116
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:25,700
kids are you willing to do it 
that way? 

1117
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,000
And a lot of people are like, 
yeah man. 

1118
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:32,000
Like I don't want to be hungry 
as much, so it's going to help 

1119
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,000
that, I'm totally going to be 
doing that and so some people 

1120
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,400
aren't eating until like later 
on after they get up they have 

1121
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,300
like a cup of coffee and then 
there's good, you know, and 

1122
01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:45,600
after the body gets into a 
rhythm a routine, our bodies 

1123
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,300
love to adapt to things man and 
doing You know, if he gives you 

1124
01:10:49,300 --> 01:10:51,900
a good routine it will stick 
with it. 

1125
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,900
So you just got to kind of break
that homeostasis point and let 

1126
01:10:56,900 --> 01:10:59,000
it let it break that routine, 
right? 

1127
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,500
Yeah. 
You definitely have to do that 

1128
01:11:00,500 --> 01:11:02,600
man. 
And you know what, any change to

1129
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,100
the body you, no matter, no 
matter how small or how extreme 

1130
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:09,600
it is, we always think that 
we're going to outsmart the 

1131
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,100
Bartok Body by doing. 
All I'm going to do this during 

1132
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:13,700
peak week. 
I'm going to do this and I 

1133
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:17,200
manipulate the body but the body
is just responding the way that 

1134
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,400
it's supposed to be. 
It's not Were outsmarting it. 

1135
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:23,400
Yeah and sometimes it doesn't go
right because your body your 

1136
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,400
body responds differently. 
Yep. 

1137
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,400
Big week man. 
I've heard way too many people 

1138
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,900
ages Astor's to try and change 
things too much. 

1139
01:11:30,900 --> 01:11:35,400
Like I don't know I mean if you 
I would be scared to manipulate 

1140
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,600
something that I've never done 
before on Peak Week. 

1141
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,100
Like if I've done it is tried 
and true then I would have an 

1142
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:43,900
extreme change if I'd done it if
you know for past competitions 

1143
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,900
but it blows my mind how 
somebody who's never done 

1144
01:11:46,900 --> 01:11:49,600
something before. 
We'll put like three, four, 

1145
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,800
five, six months of work into a 
prep and then just totally alter

1146
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,900
that and something that they've 
never tried experimenting with. 

1147
01:11:57,100 --> 01:11:59,600
And then everybody just freaks 
out on them and they act 

1148
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:04,600
surprised, you know, are you 
doing always? 

1149
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,600
The complaint is like, always 
look better the day after. 

1150
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,000
Yeah. 
And, you know, I'm like. 

1151
01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:14,900
Why why is that? 
Yeah, so yeah, it's interesting.

1152
01:12:14,900 --> 01:12:17,400
When people come to you, I 
always ask people what they've 

1153
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,700
done in their This approach has 
what they've done during peak 

1154
01:12:20,700 --> 01:12:25,000
week and you just, you just have
no idea like how many people 

1155
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,400
come to me and say, you know, I 
was, I was dying my last week, 

1156
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,400
man, you know, peak week. 
And I was like really, you 

1157
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,100
should start feeling good during
your last week, you know. 

1158
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:37,500
Yeah. 
As you're filling out, Tony back

1159
01:12:37,500 --> 01:12:41,800
on the volume that you're doing 
the cardio and they're like, 

1160
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,900
really. 
And I was like, yeah. 

1161
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,000
And you know I'm how you do 
things are taking out water 

1162
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:50,000
Water, they're taking out 
sodium. 

1163
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,400
They're manipulating these 
things and they just don't feel 

1164
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,800
great and then that their 
performance on that stage after 

1165
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,500
so many months of working it's 
very heartbreaking. 

1166
01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:05,100
And you know because especially 
if it's their first time second 

1167
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:09,800
time and it's always like at 
least refreshing that they're 

1168
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:15,000
willing to try it again because 
that's one of my biggest things 

1169
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,800
is that if you have a coach, if 
you put your trust in, Somebody.

1170
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:25,100
And they do you wrong and you 
know that could turn you off 

1171
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:28,000
from even doing anything. 
Fitness related. 

1172
01:13:28,100 --> 01:13:29,500
Yep, absolutely. 
No. 

1173
01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:31,300
Like, my body just doesn't 
respond well. 

1174
01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:34,100
My coach told me like you meant 
to do this and it didn't work 

1175
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:37,000
and now that I can't. 
I don't, you know, I'm just 

1176
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,900
lost. 
And so I've seen people come 

1177
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:48,900
back from eating, you know, 
binging and Having all these 

1178
01:13:48,900 --> 01:13:53,900
issues with food and just their 
bodies. 

1179
01:13:54,400 --> 01:14:00,000
You know are just wrecked after 
prep and now so trying to pick 

1180
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,800
up the pieces and give them 
something that's more 

1181
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,500
sustainable. 
I think I vote for like a couple

1182
01:14:05,500 --> 01:14:08,200
people. 
Were they perhaps weren't even 

1183
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:09,900
on their minds anymore are just 
more. 

1184
01:14:09,900 --> 01:14:11,500
I need to be healthy. 
Yeah. 

1185
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:17,500
And being stuck in a, you know, 
beating really a lot less from 

1186
01:14:17,500 --> 01:14:21,100
what they're And seeing them be 
like, after working with them, a

1187
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:23,700
couple months or like, hey, 
let's put your calories backed 

1188
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:28,400
up and having them realize that 
they can eat more and not put on

1189
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:33,800
weight actually lose weight. 
No, it's yeah. 

1190
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,200
It's just, it's just very 
disheartening. 

1191
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,100
Yeah, it is a man. 
It is people. 

1192
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,000
They put so much emphasis on the
show and on show day, they lose 

1193
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,800
sight of why they ever got into 
the sport in the first place. 

1194
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,400
Which is to be healthy, you 
know? 

1195
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:54,800
And that's the point that I mean
we all want to just drive home 

1196
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,100
with ourselves and with their 
clients. 

1197
01:14:56,100 --> 01:14:59,500
Like it shows a great, you know,
but the show's don't mean 

1198
01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:02,500
anything if we gave ourselves a 
heart attack in five years, you 

1199
01:15:02,500 --> 01:15:04,000
know. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1200
01:15:04,300 --> 01:15:08,800
So exactly now man. 
I mean you gotta you gotta look 

1201
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,900
at the the long, the lung vision
of what you want to do, you 

1202
01:15:12,900 --> 01:15:16,800
know, I think when it comes out 
of the competing, it shouldn't 

1203
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:21,400
be like Only a bodybuilder. 
I'm only a fitness competitor 

1204
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:27,100
and only, you know, that's what 
makes me me, you know, there has

1205
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:28,900
to be other components in your 
life. 

1206
01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:32,400
Yeah, absolutely. 
You know, sell losing, you know?

1207
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,500
And if you're always tell 
people, you know, if you're 

1208
01:15:35,500 --> 01:15:40,500
healthy, when it comes down to 
your, you know, if you're 

1209
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:45,300
healthy and great, you're in a 
good position to contest prep, 

1210
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,000
take, you know, take it to 
another level. 

1211
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:50,700
Ville. 
If you're coming in already with

1212
01:15:50,700 --> 01:15:58,600
body image issues already with 
nutrition or food over issues, 

1213
01:15:58,700 --> 01:16:04,100
and the psychological issues 
contest prep is probably not the

1214
01:16:04,108 --> 01:16:05,800
best bet for you. 
Yeah. 

1215
01:16:05,900 --> 01:16:10,000
Oh, you got to be, you got to be
open-minded, but solid in 

1216
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,900
yourself as an individual and 
accepts where you're at, as just

1217
01:16:14,900 --> 01:16:16,600
where you're at and make the 
most of it. 

1218
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,100
Yeah, I completely agree with 
that and people, I don't know, 

1219
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:25,400
like if they go in to contest 
prep, trying to fix something 

1220
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,200
that's already broken, you know,
then it's only going to make it 

1221
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:32,700
worse. 
So, I agree completely on that 

1222
01:16:32,700 --> 01:16:34,500
one. 
And you can't nothing about, you

1223
01:16:34,508 --> 01:16:36,400
know, body issues in our image 
issues. 

1224
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:40,900
Rather is prep by things like an
individual sport. 

1225
01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:43,100
He put on. 
I mean, you step onstage for 2 

1226
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:47,400
minutes, 5 minutes, or in your 
case, 30 minutes with other 

1227
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:48,900
competitors. 
There's, you know, one day out 

1228
01:16:48,900 --> 01:16:50,800
of the year. 
But I mean, bodybuilding is a 

1229
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,500
lifetime. 
There's a lifestyle and it's you

1230
01:16:53,500 --> 01:16:57,800
against you and you cannot focus
on who else is going on stage 

1231
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,700
because then you want to have 
fun and then you'll be yourself 

1232
01:16:59,700 --> 01:17:04,700
up and then you just like, yeah,
you gotta just do you and bring 

1233
01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:06,900
your best physique and if you 
came in better than you did last

1234
01:17:06,900 --> 01:17:09,800
time that you've already won. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1235
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,800
You know, I just, I just talked 
to one of our clients yesterday,

1236
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,200
and she brought up like, man, 
like seeing people on social 

1237
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:20,700
media, like, You know they're 
staged a unlike I'm not far away

1238
01:17:20,700 --> 01:17:24,500
from that, you know, like what I
should be looking at and I was 

1239
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:29,100
like, put things into 
perspective like they are 

1240
01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:32,300
already tanned up there already 
done with their process or on 

1241
01:17:32,300 --> 01:17:36,500
stage already, you know you're 
taking photos in your bathroom, 

1242
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:40,300
you know your kitchen you know 
Chris takes like of course it's 

1243
01:17:40,300 --> 01:17:42,300
not going to look the same. 
Yeah. 

1244
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,400
And you know it's very 
interesting you know your 

1245
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,600
mentality definitely goes up to 
window and And frappe? 

1246
01:17:48,700 --> 01:17:52,700
Yeah, it is like man. 
My psyche is just done man. 

1247
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,200
And I think that's one of the 
cool things. 

1248
01:17:55,200 --> 01:18:00,300
As a coach is that you are like 
you're not just that person that

1249
01:18:00,300 --> 01:18:02,800
gives him a plan for the week 
and you're like, won't see you 

1250
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:04,400
later. 
Talk to you in about a week 

1251
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:09,400
hopefully or give your check-in.
I mean, it's a 24/7 thing and 

1252
01:18:09,500 --> 01:18:14,900
you know, I think being able to 
be that Lifeline for people, you

1253
01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:19,800
know, it's definitely need to 
You know, realize that yeah, 

1254
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,500
you're that person that they're 
going to rely on because when 

1255
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:26,600
their psyche goes a little 
little nuts, those gonna bring 

1256
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,700
it back down to ground, you 
know, bring back to the ground 

1257
01:18:30,300 --> 01:18:34,100
and see, make them make them 
realize that this The Big 

1258
01:18:34,100 --> 01:18:38,700
Picture, This is where you're at
and you can, you can calm down a

1259
01:18:38,708 --> 01:18:45,200
lot of things you can relax and 
I think that's not had every 

1260
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:46,800
competitor. 
Go see that though. 

1261
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:50,300
Yeah. 
And it's that's what kind of you

1262
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:55,000
draw a line between it being 
healthy activity and not in the 

1263
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,700
more you can make it healthy and
sustainable and enjoyable. 

1264
01:18:59,100 --> 01:19:02,500
Yeah, I mean bodybuilding 
contest or euphoric. 

1265
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:04,900
I mean, after you step off the 
stage of nothing else like it. 

1266
01:19:04,900 --> 01:19:10,200
But if you're miserable the 
entire time, it's just, I'd be 

1267
01:19:10,208 --> 01:19:11,900
nice. 
If you could enjoy the entire 

1268
01:19:11,900 --> 01:19:14,600
process am still feel that way 
at the end and it's possible. 

1269
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:18,900
You know, you just have to With 
the right mindset. 

1270
01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:22,100
Yeah, but I think as long as 
you're open to do different 

1271
01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:25,800
approaches, you know, I think we
don't both did like the Bro, 

1272
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,500
dieting thing, and then we found
like always working. 

1273
01:19:28,500 --> 01:19:30,900
You do flexible dieting and do 
flexible dieting. 

1274
01:19:30,900 --> 01:19:34,200
And then you've been to Quito 
like, you know, you finding that

1275
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:37,200
approach that's going to help 
you make progress. 

1276
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,000
And at the end of the day, if 
you can enjoy, if you can be 

1277
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,100
consistent with it and find 
results that you're seeking 

1278
01:19:43,100 --> 01:19:46,300
after and me, that's the 
approach you stick with me and 

1279
01:19:46,300 --> 01:19:51,400
like absolutely So yes, indeed 
you gotta find out what you 

1280
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,900
perform best with and makes it 
better for you, you know, 

1281
01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:57,700
everybody's individual. 
There's no, there's no mold for 

1282
01:19:57,700 --> 01:19:59,500
us all. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1283
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,500
Mike. 
We've been on the call for one 

1284
01:20:02,500 --> 01:20:06,000
hour and 19 minutes and 42 
seconds so I can talk we all day

1285
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,300
long, man. 
You're super knowledgeable and 

1286
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,200
good guys, don't run. 
Good guy. 

1287
01:20:11,300 --> 01:20:14,900
Got the around to or something 
the future, appreciate that man.

1288
01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:18,200
So what's real quick? 
What's a good Way for people to 

1289
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:24,700
get in touch with you. 
So, I have my Ig which is I'm 

1290
01:20:24,700 --> 01:20:27,900
like, highly active on like I'm 
post multiple times throughout 

1291
01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:32,400
the day, but it's crazy Korean 
underscore to mint tea. 

1292
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:38,900
So it's krz under underscore, 
don't krz, Korean underscore 

1293
01:20:38,900 --> 01:20:43,600
TMNT. 
And then I have a YouTube that 

1294
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,400
I'm going to be definitely a 
little bit more active on. 

1295
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:51,000
It's just TMNT Fitness. 
All right. 

1296
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,600
You get your Facebook. 
What's that? 

1297
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,300
My Facebook is just like a 
messy. 

1298
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,500
Yeah, nothing special. 
All right, man, I'll put links 

1299
01:21:00,500 --> 01:21:03,200
on the show notes for all those 
to make it easy people get hold 

1300
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,500
of you. 
All right man. 

1301
01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:07,700
What's been a pleasure? 
Micah I certainly appreciate the

1302
01:21:07,708 --> 01:21:12,700
time good sir and I will be 
eagerly awaiting our next 

1303
01:21:12,700 --> 01:21:16,100
encounter on the stage. 
Yeah I'm excited man I 

1304
01:21:16,108 --> 01:21:20,300
appreciate you reaching out. 
And in wanted to have me on your

1305
01:21:20,300 --> 01:21:24,000
podcast, I appreciate what you 
do to a man. 

1306
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,800
Like as far as your, how you go 
about your post and how you're 

1307
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:33,000
trying to do something different
and break down walls of what 

1308
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,300
people's misconceptions are when
it comes on the keto. 

1309
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:41,900
Because for a while, I was one 
of those people, you know, and 

1310
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:46,500
but after understanding what it 
does and what it can do for 

1311
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:49,800
people You know, it's whatever 
approach is going to help you 

1312
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,700
make progress, man. 
Absolutely. 

1313
01:21:51,700 --> 01:21:54,000
I appreciate that a lot, man. 
I mean, life's a journey. 

1314
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,200
You know, you just get 
experimenting. 

1315
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,600
I put yourself out there. 
You can't be afraid to step 

1316
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,700
outside of the box and that's 
what we're all doing right now. 

1317
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,100
Yeah. 
For sure, my brother. 

1318
01:22:03,100 --> 01:22:04,700
Well, I'll be in touch with you 
soon, man. 

1319
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:06,100
Okay. 
Right on. 

1320
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:07,200
Take care, buddy.