1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,220 Hello, ladies and gents. Robert 2 00:00:01,220 --> 00:00:03,640 Sykes, KetoSavage .com. Today I've got special guest, 3 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,840 Risa Gru on the line. She is a functional nutritionist 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,940 and she is an expert in all things thyroid health. 5 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:11,620 So we dive deep into that. We 6 00:00:11,627 --> 00:00:12,980 talk about autoimmune issues. We 7 00:00:12,980 --> 00:00:15,020 talk about inflammation, talk about what some of 8 00:00:15,020 --> 00:00:17,600 the primary drivers for this inflammation and 9 00:00:18,260 --> 00:00:20,740 autoimmune issues could possibly stem from. We 10 00:00:20,740 --> 00:00:24,300 talk about nutrition, fiber, removing excess carbohydrates 11 00:00:24,300 --> 00:00:27,160 and processed foods, all kinds of things nutrition 12 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,760 related and autoimmune and thyroid related. So 13 00:00:29,768 --> 00:00:31,680 very interesting conversation. Learned 14 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,120 quite a bit from her. I've got no doubt that you will 15 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,560 take something from this. So 16 00:00:34,568 --> 00:00:36,860 without further delay, sit back, relax, enjoy the 17 00:00:36,860 --> 00:00:49,100 podcast with Risa Gru. And 18 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:51,700 we are live. Risa, how are you? I'm 19 00:00:51,700 --> 00:00:53,380 great. How are you? I'm 20 00:00:53,380 --> 00:00:55,400 doing wonderful. Well, myself, I'm excited to be 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,220 chatting with you because you are an expert in all 22 00:00:57,220 --> 00:00:59,320 things thyroid and autoimmune. Is 23 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,000 that correct? Yeah, I happen to know a lot 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,200 about that. Yeah. I'm excited to learn from 25 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,379 you. I want to kind of get some 26 00:01:05,379 --> 00:01:07,640 backstory because I got your one sheet and it said 27 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,320 that you had, you know, dealt with some autoimmune 28 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:11,200 issues yourself and that was kind of the catalyst 29 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,520 for you embarking on this journey. Give 30 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,700 me some backstory on what those issues were for you 31 00:01:16,700 --> 00:01:20,800 in the beginning. Yeah. So, you know, I was, you 32 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,280 know, merrily rolling along and I got married and had 33 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,320 a baby and no problem. They 34 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:30,380 conceived like first shot, you know, no, no issue. 35 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,460 And then I was trying to 36 00:01:32,460 --> 00:01:36,040 conceive my second and kept trying and kept trying and 37 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,700 kept trying and I got pregnant a couple of times, 38 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:42,260 but couldn't hold the baby. So 39 00:01:42,260 --> 00:01:45,280 I started to just think something's up, right? So 40 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,580 I went to a fertility specialist and they did a 41 00:01:49,580 --> 00:01:53,320 whole blood panel on me and turns out that I 42 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:54,980 needed some thyroid medication. My 43 00:01:54,988 --> 00:01:57,680 thyroid was an underachiever. So 44 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,140 I see him made a script and I said, well, how long 45 00:02:00,140 --> 00:02:02,400 do I take this for? And he said every day and I 46 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,260 said, no, no, for how long? And 47 00:02:04,260 --> 00:02:07,060 he said, oh, you know, for the rest of your life. And 48 00:02:07,060 --> 00:02:08,539 I walked out of that appointment. I 49 00:02:08,539 --> 00:02:12,220 remember it vividly and I'm thinking, why is it that I 50 00:02:12,220 --> 00:02:16,660 now have a prescription for a synthetic that is 51 00:02:16,660 --> 00:02:19,940 supposed to do something my body does and nobody's 52 00:02:19,940 --> 00:02:22,620 asking why? Why is it not doing what it's 53 00:02:22,620 --> 00:02:26,020 supposed to do? So that sort of started my 54 00:02:26,020 --> 00:02:31,040 search and I realized that I needed to look into why 55 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,980 my thyroid was an underachiever and figure out 56 00:02:33,980 --> 00:02:39,120 what it needed to become active and a full 57 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,260 contributor. So that started my health 58 00:02:42,260 --> 00:02:43,840 journey. I love it. I 59 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,580 love it. I feel like I had actually 60 00:02:45,580 --> 00:02:48,040 before you and I started recording out a podcast 61 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,080 yesterday with a functional medicine practitioner and he 62 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,580 was talking about toxins in the environment and 63 00:02:53,580 --> 00:02:55,580 autoimmune issues and inflammation, systemic 64 00:02:55,580 --> 00:02:58,280 inflammation. And I've had so many of these 65 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,020 podcasts recently. I feel like the narrative is 66 00:03:01,020 --> 00:03:03,840 just trending the wrong direction as a society. 67 00:03:03,980 --> 00:03:05,060 Like we're getting unhealthier 68 00:03:05,060 --> 00:03:06,720 and unhealthier and people are struggling with more 69 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,920 and more autoimmune issues, thyroid issues, hormonal 70 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:11,640 issues. Like this is the norm right 71 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:14,680 now, it seems. It's unfortunately, it is on the 72 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,780 rise. And a big part of it is our 73 00:03:17,780 --> 00:03:21,060 environment and our toxins that we have and we're way 74 00:03:21,060 --> 00:03:24,320 overloaded. And there's no sign of that 75 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,240 decreasing. We're approved about 2 ,000 to 5 76 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,360 ,000 chemicals by the FDA each year regardless of 77 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,540 who's in the White House. So 78 00:03:32,548 --> 00:03:36,520 yeah, we're getting sicker and we have to be more 79 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,820 diligent about taking care of our own health and 80 00:03:38,820 --> 00:03:42,100 decreasing our toxic load for sure. This 81 00:03:42,100 --> 00:03:44,400 is kind of an unrelated question. It's 82 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,260 related, but I don't normally ask this question, 83 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,820 but where do you think this tipping point started? 84 00:03:50,060 --> 00:03:51,980 Like at what point did we start 85 00:03:51,980 --> 00:03:54,300 getting unhealthier as opposed to healthier as a 86 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:57,720 species? Oh, I'm so sorry, you broke up 87 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,040 a little bit. Can you repeat that question? 88 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:00,680 What do you think the tipping 89 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,740 point was for this downward trend in health? Like 90 00:04:03,748 --> 00:04:05,840 what was the catalyst for that starting in the first 91 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,520 place, you think? Well, I think there's a few 92 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,640 contributors. One is the use of glyphosate, 93 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,800 which is ready roundup, what we use to kill weeds 94 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,700 and what we use in conventional medicine. Once 95 00:04:19,700 --> 00:04:24,380 we started saturating our soils with glyphosate, I 96 00:04:24,380 --> 00:04:28,840 think we started to trend downwards as far as our 97 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:32,120 health was concerned. We started having more 98 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,700 endocrine issues because it is a major endocrine 99 00:04:34,700 --> 00:04:37,400 disruptor. So that's your thyroid, sex 100 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,840 hormones, and adrenals, your adrenal glands that produce 101 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:43,820 cortisol and anxiety, things like that. And 102 00:04:43,820 --> 00:04:47,440 it takes years to get glyphosate out of soil. So 103 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,400 if you take a conventional farm and you're going to 104 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,280 turn it into an organic farm, it takes at least 105 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:55,400 two years. And our soils have really, 106 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,920 really been depleted. I believe the statistic is 107 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:03,500 we're at 40 % less nutrients in our soil from 108 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:08,600 the 1950s. So, and that's a fairly, not 109 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,300 super recent statistic, but it's very sad. Our 110 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:15,580 soils are really the root of all the problems, I 111 00:05:15,580 --> 00:05:18,320 think, and really one of the easiest things to fix. 112 00:05:19,020 --> 00:05:22,240 Also affects climate control. But 113 00:05:22,248 --> 00:05:26,740 so glyphosate is in our, unfortunately, it's in our 114 00:05:26,740 --> 00:05:28,900 rain water. It's everywhere. It's 115 00:05:28,900 --> 00:05:33,460 in everything. And it's really very damaging 116 00:05:33,460 --> 00:05:36,840 to human life and plant life. So 117 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:40,060 that is a huge contributor. In 118 00:05:40,060 --> 00:05:41,980 addition, when you go, I don't know if you ever 119 00:05:41,980 --> 00:05:44,900 travel out of the United States, and you go to the 120 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:48,080 supermarket or the market, I should say, in, like I 121 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,920 was in Italy, and went into the market, and their 122 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,800 freezer section is like maybe five doors. Our 123 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,840 freezer section are two full aisles all the way on 124 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:01,760 both sides. And it's crazy how many frozen 125 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,840 pizzas, even in Italy, they had like two frozen pizzas. 126 00:06:05,100 --> 00:06:06,920 And they have maybe four ice 127 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,620 creams, we have like 25, at least, you know, then 128 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:12,720 we have bars and popsicles. And, 129 00:06:12,820 --> 00:06:18,160 you know, there are our options are endless. And 130 00:06:18,168 --> 00:06:22,360 most of our food choices are processed and lacking 131 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,780 nutrients, right? They're empty calories, they're 132 00:06:25,780 --> 00:06:29,020 empty carbs and void of any nutrients. So 133 00:06:29,020 --> 00:06:31,280 we're hungrier and we're eating. When 134 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:34,140 I grew up, I don't ever remember really snacking. It 135 00:06:34,140 --> 00:06:36,360 wasn't a thing. And, you know, we wouldn't drive 136 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,160 through anywhere. And you went to a meal, you're 137 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,180 hungry. And I feel like eating is much 138 00:06:42,180 --> 00:06:44,540 more of a sport now. We go to Starbucks, we get 139 00:06:44,540 --> 00:06:47,620 our coffee, and we get our scone or our pastry or our 140 00:06:47,620 --> 00:06:50,220 muffin with that. And then, you know, of course, 141 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,060 Frappuccinos, well, you know, those are 65 grams 142 00:06:53,060 --> 00:06:55,320 of sugar. And then we put some whipped 143 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,540 cream on top. And that's a suitable breakfast. 144 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:58,600 I mean, I can't tell you how 145 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,260 many kids I see walking into schools, elementary 146 00:07:01,260 --> 00:07:03,560 schools, middle schools, high schools with a 147 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,260 Frappuccino. And they'll have a master's 148 00:07:06,260 --> 00:07:08,100 school, you know, sometimes. So 149 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:11,140 it's, we are not eating real food. We 150 00:07:11,140 --> 00:07:14,740 are eating processed baked food. Yeah, 151 00:07:14,780 --> 00:07:16,160 I completely agree with you there. I 152 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,740 feel like, you know, with me being in the Keto 153 00:07:18,740 --> 00:07:21,540 space, it's like, I've tried to prioritize just 154 00:07:21,540 --> 00:07:23,800 simply real food. And I've plugged in a lot more 155 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,700 to the regenerative agriculture movement, the 156 00:07:26,700 --> 00:07:29,300 homesteading movement and just procuring your own 157 00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:31,000 food, raising your own food, doing it through 158 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,720 organic means, plugging more into the local community. 159 00:07:34,460 --> 00:07:36,200 And as I've dove deeper into 160 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,500 that, it just seemed like the right natural thing to 161 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:41,120 do, like how we're supposed to live as a species. But 162 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,580 that is so far removed from what the general 163 00:07:43,580 --> 00:07:47,220 population is doing. Which is so sad. It's 164 00:07:47,220 --> 00:07:50,720 really, it's just, it's so sad to me, how many kids 165 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,920 don't cook, how many adults don't cook. So 166 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,220 it's, we, it's cooking as a life skill. So 167 00:07:58,220 --> 00:08:00,520 I made sure my kids left my house, they were, they 168 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,860 knew how to cook my son cooks. So 169 00:08:02,860 --> 00:08:05,200 it's really, it's an important life skill. And 170 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,300 it is sad. And it's not that hard to get 171 00:08:09,300 --> 00:08:11,980 real food. Yeah, 100%. So 172 00:08:11,980 --> 00:08:14,600 what is your primary, you know, client patient 173 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,920 demographic? Like, who are these people that 174 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,180 are coming to you? What, what do they typically 175 00:08:18,180 --> 00:08:20,980 struggling with? Gosh, I work with so many 176 00:08:20,980 --> 00:08:22,460 different people. I work with professional 177 00:08:22,460 --> 00:08:24,960 athletes. I work with regular adults. I 178 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:31,280 work with a fair amount of teens. 15 and up, who are 179 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,179 really struggling with anxiety, I get a lot of 180 00:08:34,179 --> 00:08:38,980 anxiety. And some other, a lot of 181 00:08:38,980 --> 00:08:42,659 metabolic dysregulation. So a lot of insulin 182 00:08:42,659 --> 00:08:44,920 resistance, a lot of diabetes, I deal with a 183 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,960 lot of blood sugar, dysregulation, and I deal 184 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,620 with a lot of autoimmune, a thyroid, we do a lot of 185 00:08:51,620 --> 00:08:55,440 thyroid and gut stuff. A lot of people you'd be 186 00:08:55,440 --> 00:09:00,060 amazed at how many people live day to day with bowel 187 00:09:00,060 --> 00:09:05,400 issues, whether it's chronic diarrhea or chronic 188 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,860 constipation or blood in their stool or bloating, 189 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,140 stomach pain. I do a lot of skin issues. 190 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,180 And really, you name it, I do 191 00:09:17,180 --> 00:09:19,900 it. I'm curious about this teen 192 00:09:19,900 --> 00:09:21,780 demographic. Are they mostly coming? Like, 193 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,520 are the majority of the teens coming from an 194 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,580 anxiety standpoint, or is it pretty big myriad of 195 00:09:27,580 --> 00:09:31,960 things there as well? I would say that the majority 196 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,220 of the teens I get are anxiety. I'd 197 00:09:36,220 --> 00:09:42,120 say about 50 to 60%. A lot, maybe even more. And 198 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:47,340 the other ones are, I had one yesterday who was put 199 00:09:47,340 --> 00:09:52,640 on Ozympic for blood sugar dysregulation, insulin 200 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,200 resistance years ago. And so he wants to get off of 201 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,080 that. And he really, he's a great 202 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,340 example because he really changed his eating and he 203 00:10:02,340 --> 00:10:04,840 got to the gym and he works out every day. And 204 00:10:04,848 --> 00:10:07,020 he really changed his life. And 205 00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:09,840 I'm still helping him get off the chemicals. But 206 00:10:09,848 --> 00:10:14,460 yeah, so most people, I think, and then a lot of 207 00:10:14,460 --> 00:10:18,540 girls, teenage girls seem to really want to lose 208 00:10:18,540 --> 00:10:20,900 weight. I think Instagram, social 209 00:10:20,900 --> 00:10:25,400 media has really affected them and their image. And 210 00:10:25,408 --> 00:10:28,780 so they're very concerned about their weight. Do 211 00:10:28,780 --> 00:10:30,960 you think the social media is likely one of the 212 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,100 primary drivers behind their issues with anxiety as 213 00:10:33,100 --> 00:10:36,680 well? Sure. It's, you know, there's 214 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:38,980 several primary drivers. I mean, it depends what your 215 00:10:38,980 --> 00:10:42,340 home environment is like and what the value is 216 00:10:42,340 --> 00:10:44,600 there. But also your peers are 217 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,640 certainly very influential at that age. But 218 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:52,020 social media and a lot of people change their, you 219 00:10:52,020 --> 00:10:55,800 know, they fix their photos to make them thinner and 220 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,720 do all kinds of altercations to that. So 221 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,220 I think there's a lot of pressure for teenagers when 222 00:11:02,220 --> 00:11:04,700 they see, when they're on Instagram all day long, and 223 00:11:04,700 --> 00:11:09,900 they see these really thin girls and it's, you know, 224 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:11,480 they come in, they want to lose weight. So 225 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,340 I focus on wellness and I believe that weight loss is 226 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:16,300 a side effect of wellness. So 227 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:19,940 we focus on wellness in my office and people will lose 228 00:11:19,940 --> 00:11:22,500 weight. Absolutely. Everybody who wants to lose 229 00:11:22,500 --> 00:11:26,080 weight loses weight, but I focus on wellness. Yeah, 230 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,020 that's key. It is unfortunate. I 231 00:11:29,028 --> 00:11:31,080 mean, I was actually speaking, I got invited to 232 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,500 speak at a high school the other day and I was just 233 00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:34,480 talking to these students and it's such an 234 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,040 impressionable age. Like I forget what it was like 235 00:11:37,599 --> 00:11:40,040 when I was in school, but it's like you talk to 236 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,240 these people, you see them and they, more often than 237 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,520 not, they're just not sure of themselves yet. They 238 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,080 don't know who they are, they don't have the 239 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,760 confidence, they haven't been tested in a lot of 240 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,580 ways. So they're very malleable as 241 00:11:52,580 --> 00:11:56,760 people, which is good, but not when all the inputs in 242 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,700 their life are negative, which is what a lot of 243 00:11:58,700 --> 00:12:00,880 them are getting right now. Right, 244 00:12:01,020 --> 00:12:04,180 which is really, really sad, but it is, you know, 245 00:12:04,260 --> 00:12:06,500 somebody like you would be a great influence because 246 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:10,520 I've read somewhere that the influence changes, you 247 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,240 know, when you hit adolescence instead of your 248 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,440 parents being the number one influence for you, it's 249 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,320 your friends. So, you know, changes. So 250 00:12:19,328 --> 00:12:21,620 it depends on, you know, who you're hanging out with 251 00:12:21,620 --> 00:12:26,380 is really very critical to what your values are and 252 00:12:26,380 --> 00:12:29,620 where you're going and what you're doing. Completely 253 00:12:29,620 --> 00:12:32,820 agree. I would imagine with the type 254 00:12:32,820 --> 00:12:34,920 of patients that you're seeing, you know, a lot of 255 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,120 these that are dealing with chronic inflammation, 256 00:12:37,380 --> 00:12:39,820 autoimmune issues, hormone dysregulation as a result 257 00:12:39,820 --> 00:12:43,440 of, you know, living a long life filled with these 258 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,020 toxins and environmental factors. When 259 00:12:45,020 --> 00:12:48,020 you're getting younger people coming in, in their 260 00:12:48,020 --> 00:12:50,840 teens, that have the anxiety issues, but then 261 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,920 also a lot of the physical implications that have come 262 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,040 from these poor environments and just the foods that 263 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,840 they're eating, like seeing that kind of negative 264 00:12:58,459 --> 00:13:02,640 effect take hold in such a young individual, like 265 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,360 having hormonal issues at such an early age, having 266 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,540 type 2 diabetes before you've hit double digits in 267 00:13:09,540 --> 00:13:13,000 age, like this is not a good thing. No, 268 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:15,660 it's terrible and our numbers are increasing 269 00:13:15,660 --> 00:13:19,060 rapidly. We are a very, very sick 270 00:13:19,060 --> 00:13:23,120 nation and an obese nation and, you know, 271 00:13:23,180 --> 00:13:26,840 unfortunately, conventional and allopathic medicine says 272 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,420 there's a pill for that. So 273 00:13:28,420 --> 00:13:31,920 now we have pills for that and they're giving it, they 274 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:36,260 just got approval to give it to 12 year olds, semi 275 00:13:36,260 --> 00:13:39,060 -glutide. So it's, if that's not the 276 00:13:39,060 --> 00:13:41,060 answer, it's not the root cause. It 277 00:13:41,060 --> 00:13:44,320 is, we've got to teach people to eat better. We've 278 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,880 got to take, make sure these big food companies 279 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,300 are not advertising to kids over and over and over 280 00:13:52,300 --> 00:13:56,000 again and, you know, all these big soda companies 281 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,100 are in schools and, you know, they're subsidizing 282 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:02,980 our education. It's, it's, it's a very crooked, 283 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:07,420 broken system. I'm about to get my megaphone 284 00:14:07,420 --> 00:14:12,540 out and start screaming because it's bad. So 285 00:14:12,540 --> 00:14:17,260 we need to be very diligent on our own bodies 286 00:14:17,260 --> 00:14:21,120 and our loved ones and educate people as much as 287 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,880 we possibly can. Completely agree. Out 288 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,040 of curiosity, you know what the parameters are or the, 289 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,080 the criteria that has to be met in order for them 290 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,660 to prescribe semi -glutide to a 12 year old? Like 291 00:14:32,668 --> 00:14:34,360 what, what markers do they have to be showing in 292 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,520 order for that to be warranted? They 293 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,660 just have to show insulin resistance is my 294 00:14:38,660 --> 00:14:42,240 understanding. So insulin resistance is, you 295 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:47,140 know, when, when, when the cell, it has receptors on 296 00:14:47,140 --> 00:14:48,880 each cell. We have trillions of cells in 297 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,440 the body and those cells are, are those, those 298 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,040 receptors are, are hindered, they're damaged and we 299 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,220 can't put it in, we can't take glucose or glycogen 300 00:14:58,220 --> 00:15:00,720 into the cell and used for energy. So 301 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,520 inside the cell, every cell has what we call 302 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,840 mitochondria and mitochondria is our energy factory, 303 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,180 right? It makes ATP our energy and 304 00:15:09,180 --> 00:15:11,740 their fuel source, if you're not on ketosis is 305 00:15:11,740 --> 00:15:14,720 carbohydrates. And so when we eat a carb or 306 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,700 a sugar, anything that turns into sugar, the 307 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:21,040 pancreas pumps out insulin and it converts it into 308 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,300 glycogen and then it escorts it into each cell. 309 00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:24,960 Mass will use for energy. 310 00:15:25,420 --> 00:15:26,820 There's two very effective ways to 311 00:15:26,820 --> 00:15:29,360 gain weight. One is to get the cell more 312 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,120 than it needs. So it just parks the excess 313 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,620 in fat cells and fat storage. And 314 00:15:34,620 --> 00:15:38,820 the other is to break off those, those receptors so 315 00:15:38,820 --> 00:15:41,060 that we can't even penetrate the cell. And 316 00:15:41,060 --> 00:15:43,040 then we just park it in fat cells and fat tissues. 317 00:15:43,580 --> 00:15:45,380 So the most effective way to 318 00:15:45,380 --> 00:15:48,360 lose weight is when your receptors are open and you 319 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,420 give the cell less than it needs, so that it has no 320 00:15:51,420 --> 00:15:54,440 choice but to pull from the storage unit and take 321 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,040 that excess energy so that it can use it for its 322 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,820 production of ATP. I'm curious with, with so many 323 00:16:02,820 --> 00:16:06,640 kids battling with this obesity crisis and, you 324 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,120 know, being in some resistance at such a young 325 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,880 age, like, where do you think that trajectory 326 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,500 shifts? Because I mean, in your one sheet 327 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:16,040 you were talking about you making your own child's 328 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,120 baby food at an early age because you saw that the 329 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:19,920 trajectory things were going was just not a good one. 330 00:16:20,700 --> 00:16:22,160 And that's unfortunately like 331 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,200 when you go down and talk about grocery store aisles, 332 00:16:24,260 --> 00:16:26,040 like when you go down the kids grocery store aisle, 333 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,300 all the baby food is, is totally nutritionally void. 334 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:30,900 Like it's a bunch of heavily 335 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:33,720 processed foods and squeeze packets that are so far 336 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,320 removed from what real food is and should be. And 337 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,720 that's just what people are weaning their kids off of, 338 00:16:38,980 --> 00:16:41,100 or they're going straight to formula fed and then 339 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:44,120 using these, you know, nutritionally void filler 340 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,380 foods. It's just starting them off on 341 00:16:46,380 --> 00:16:48,680 a complete wrong path. Correct. 342 00:16:49,060 --> 00:16:50,440 Yeah. And we're, we're, we're 343 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,880 consuming more carbohydrates than we ever have. So 344 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,720 think about the pizzas and the sandwiches and the 345 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,360 crackers and the croissants and the pastries that were 346 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,660 consuming all day long. So I focus on protein, fat 347 00:17:04,660 --> 00:17:07,800 and fiber. And if you, when I look at 348 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,180 people's food log, when they come into my office 349 00:17:10,180 --> 00:17:13,420 initially, I'm like, where's the fiber? Right. 350 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,280 So somebody could be eating, you know, a lot of 351 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,700 protein and maybe low carb, but they're not eating very 352 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:24,220 much fiber. So we need fiber, fiber is 353 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:26,640 really essential and a lot of bad fat. So 354 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,940 any restaurant you typically go to unless it's a really 355 00:17:29,940 --> 00:17:33,880 a health food restaurant, they usually use bad oils 356 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,220 because they are less expensive and they're more 357 00:17:36,220 --> 00:17:39,180 shelf, shelf stable, stable. And 358 00:17:39,180 --> 00:17:42,480 so they will have these bad oils day in and day 359 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:43,960 out. If they're eating out twice a 360 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,600 day, every day, those bad oils like canola oil, 361 00:17:47,780 --> 00:17:51,980 soybean oil, vegetable oil, all cottonseed oil, all 362 00:17:51,980 --> 00:17:54,600 those oils are highly inflammatory. So 363 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,300 we will see people with a lot of systemic inflammation 364 00:17:57,300 --> 00:17:59,900 just from eating out like that. They're 365 00:17:59,900 --> 00:18:03,360 not getting those good fats like olive oil and avocado 366 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:05,660 oil and coconut oil. They're 367 00:18:05,660 --> 00:18:09,980 probably not eating many much avocado or nuts and 368 00:18:09,980 --> 00:18:15,700 seeds and eggs and getting an olives, right? Those 369 00:18:15,700 --> 00:18:18,860 are really good oils for us for brain development. 370 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,520 You know, when my kids were in 371 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,680 elementary school, they were in a private school and I 372 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,280 was horrified by the food service. And 373 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,900 I actually had a meeting, I went to the founder of 374 00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:35,460 the school and I said, this, this food that you're 375 00:18:35,460 --> 00:18:37,940 feeding these kids is not helping with brain 376 00:18:37,940 --> 00:18:40,440 development. It was a very academic school 377 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,980 and you're so cutting edge about all the academics. 378 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,080 But this is a really big area 379 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,720 that you're not really even talking about or focusing 380 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,180 on. But this food that they eat is 381 00:18:53,180 --> 00:18:55,520 critical for the brain development. So 382 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,160 I had a meeting with them and they, I sat down and 383 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,240 I said, tell me about what the foods that you serve. 384 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:02,840 I know everybody loved the 385 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,140 popcorn chicken and and I said, where are the 386 00:19:05,140 --> 00:19:07,100 vegetables? And they said, Oh, nobody 387 00:19:07,100 --> 00:19:10,360 orders that so we don't serve it. So 388 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:15,560 when we ended up changing that system out, and we 389 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,240 got somebody else and then we ended up growing a 390 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,620 garden at the school, and we would use that as well. 391 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,160 But still the food services 392 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,440 that schools use are just horrific. The 393 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,960 state run schools are usually pizza and hot dogs. 394 00:19:33,220 --> 00:19:34,660 And I mean, if you go to 395 00:19:34,660 --> 00:19:37,420 Costco and you just look at people are eating at 396 00:19:37,420 --> 00:19:40,660 Costco, there's no vegetables there, there's no 397 00:19:40,660 --> 00:19:45,080 good fats there, it's just, it's just sugar and carbs. 398 00:19:45,260 --> 00:19:47,180 So it's a little bit of 399 00:19:47,180 --> 00:19:49,620 protein, but I wouldn't say that is a good source of 400 00:19:49,620 --> 00:19:51,100 protein. And it's that's how 401 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:53,480 unfortunately Americans are eating. And 402 00:19:53,488 --> 00:19:56,100 that's why we're obese and sick. Yeah, 403 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,060 the school lunches is definitely a horrendous 404 00:19:58,060 --> 00:20:00,800 situation for sure. Like I, we've got a two year 405 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,320 old now, and I'm thinking about, you know, he eats 406 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,540 nothing but the best right now. And 407 00:20:04,540 --> 00:20:06,100 I'm trying to figure out how I want to parent him 408 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:09,220 as he, you know, goes places outside the home, 409 00:20:09,300 --> 00:20:11,480 how he's going to eat there. If 410 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,940 he goes to school, like what, what type of food 411 00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:15,640 he'll have available to him then. And 412 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,140 it's like, that's where I get scared, because I don't 413 00:20:17,140 --> 00:20:19,360 have control over that and everything that's offered to 414 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:21,160 him is horrendous to begin with. So 415 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,080 I'm just going to be packing a lot of lunches, 416 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:25,640 I guess. Exactly. That's what I did. I 417 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,840 packed a lot of lunches and I educated and when 418 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,600 their, their friends came over, I mean, I remember 419 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,380 having kids come over and they never had tried 420 00:20:32,380 --> 00:20:37,160 cauliflower before. So I always gave good food 421 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,820 and it was delicious. It was, you know, I would, I 422 00:20:39,820 --> 00:20:44,600 would make good food, but so and even now when I 423 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,820 see my kids friends all grown up, they'll say, Oh, 424 00:20:47,860 --> 00:20:50,580 I eat, I eat asparagus because of you now. And 425 00:20:50,588 --> 00:20:53,740 so a little bit goes a long way. And 426 00:20:53,740 --> 00:20:56,920 I think schools that that is something that really, 427 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,120 really needs to change. And also hospitals. I'm 428 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:06,160 horrified, horrified at what they serve people in 429 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,360 hospitals. It's just unconscionable to me. 430 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,520 This is supposed to be a place 431 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,380 where you're supposed to heal. You 432 00:21:12,380 --> 00:21:17,700 know, apple juice and cottage cheese and, you 433 00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:20,920 know, donuts and pancakes are not going to make you 434 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,340 heal. It just aren't. So 435 00:21:23,340 --> 00:21:26,740 it's, and it's so common sense to me. And, 436 00:21:27,380 --> 00:21:31,800 you know, I remember my local hospital, they, I was 437 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,540 working with a lot of people there and one of 438 00:21:33,540 --> 00:21:35,740 the doctors, the chief of staff, and he just went in 439 00:21:35,740 --> 00:21:38,480 and said, you have got to take out this air fryer. 440 00:21:38,780 --> 00:21:40,140 It's just crazy that we have 441 00:21:40,140 --> 00:21:42,080 French fries in the hospital. So 442 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,540 eventually it took a while, but they eventually took 443 00:21:44,540 --> 00:21:48,620 out the air fryer. So it's, it seems so common 444 00:21:48,620 --> 00:21:51,420 sense to you and I, but it really isn't to 445 00:21:51,420 --> 00:21:54,800 mainstream institutions. And that's where I think we 446 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,800 can make a big impact is that shift there. Well, 447 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,100 I think, like you were saying earlier, the art of 448 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:04,080 cooking is key. But so many people are opposed 449 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,340 to spending any time in the kitchen, any time 450 00:22:06,340 --> 00:22:08,860 preparing food, especially food that is raw or 451 00:22:08,860 --> 00:22:10,400 minimally processed, that they didn't have to 452 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,740 process. Like there's been such an 453 00:22:11,740 --> 00:22:14,120 emphasis placed on convenience that it's come 454 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:17,600 at the, you know, absolute exclusion of health. That's 455 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:18,620 why you see all these vending machines. I 456 00:22:18,628 --> 00:22:21,880 was at a hospital the day for a dexa scan and there 457 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,240 was just vending machines on every floor and there's 458 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,520 nothing good in those vending machines. And 459 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,060 they're just catering to people that are already 460 00:22:28,060 --> 00:22:30,540 sick and unwell. So it's just, you know, like 461 00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:33,780 a compounding effect that takes place. It's 462 00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:36,420 good for business. Yeah, good for business. 463 00:22:36,540 --> 00:22:37,900 Somebody's getting their, their pockets 464 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:40,660 filled for sure. You mentioned, you know, the 465 00:22:40,660 --> 00:22:42,240 importance of fats, proteins and fiber. And 466 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,840 I'm 100 % on board with fats and proteins, the 467 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,840 fiber, I mean, I eat fiber, but that just for 468 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,340 the sake of playing devil's advocate, what is your take 469 00:22:50,340 --> 00:22:52,520 on like a carnivore approach where they pretty 470 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,200 much totally exclude fiber, but seem to improve their 471 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,180 health quite a bit? Yeah, so it's interesting because 472 00:22:59,180 --> 00:23:02,020 that does happen. It doesn't happen for everyone, 473 00:23:02,020 --> 00:23:05,500 but it does happen. And I would say that is a 474 00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:07,740 short term fix for sure. I don't think it's a 475 00:23:07,740 --> 00:23:12,160 lifestyle, but it does seem to work in a short term 476 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,000 setting. But we all need fiber. It's 477 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,180 just, it's, it's like making, creating garbage and 478 00:23:18,180 --> 00:23:21,180 never taking it out. So if you don't take out your 479 00:23:21,180 --> 00:23:24,660 trash, you start to putre -pie your foods and your 480 00:23:24,660 --> 00:23:27,600 system, right? You have to take your, you 481 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,560 have to clean out your intestines because it 482 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,500 affects your absorption of nutrients and your 483 00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:38,060 inflammation and your intestinal lining and gosh, 484 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,060 I'm married to things. And so if we don't have fiber, 485 00:23:41,140 --> 00:23:42,920 how are we going to take the trash out that that 486 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,840 fiber binds with the waste and scorch it out of the 487 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,080 system. So, and water is super 488 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,140 important as well, but fiber is just critical. And 489 00:23:52,140 --> 00:23:55,940 in addition, all fiber foods have tons of 490 00:23:55,940 --> 00:23:58,200 nutrients. It's amazing that that happened, 491 00:23:58,220 --> 00:24:01,860 but it's true. So I'm specifically talking 492 00:24:01,860 --> 00:24:05,960 about vegetables and greens and, and, you know, it 493 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,500 doesn't have to be, you don't have to go and get 494 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:10,120 switch chart and make a whole thing, but, you know, 495 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,160 it could be just celery sticks and celery is these 496 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,500 crystals that help break down your acid. So 497 00:24:15,508 --> 00:24:19,240 there's, it could be carrots or, or Higama, 498 00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:21,900 which is high in fiber. It could be artichoke hearts. 499 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:23,920 And I always encourage people 500 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,800 trying something new, trying, trying new 501 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,580 vegetables you've never had before. And 502 00:24:28,580 --> 00:24:30,340 you don't have to have them steamed or raw, but 503 00:24:30,340 --> 00:24:33,000 you can stir fry them. Now you can air fry them. You 504 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:38,380 can roast them and saute them. And 505 00:24:38,380 --> 00:24:40,780 there's so many ways to eat vegetables that are 506 00:24:40,780 --> 00:24:42,840 delicious. You know, I make like mashed 507 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,260 cauliflower with horseradish and coconut cream. It's 508 00:24:46,260 --> 00:24:49,800 delicious. Or, you know, I do a lot of 509 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,280 roasted cauliflower, but roasted, I do a lot of 510 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,220 roasted vegetables, period, because they're just so 511 00:24:55,220 --> 00:24:57,220 much more tasty that way. I've 512 00:24:57,220 --> 00:24:59,260 been on a kimchi kick lately. So 513 00:24:59,260 --> 00:25:01,680 I've been eating a lot of pre fermented, you know, 514 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,540 sauerkraut, kimchi, things of that nature. I 515 00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:05,340 feel like my, my GI handles that a little bit 516 00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:07,680 better as well. Awesome. Yeah. That's 517 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,060 a natural probiotic. So we do a lot of kimchi and 518 00:25:10,060 --> 00:25:13,200 sauerkraut in my house too, and some kombucha. Yeah. 519 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,500 Kombucha is good. Kombucha is really good. Yeah. 520 00:25:15,508 --> 00:25:18,140 Yeah, I've got, you know, I'm kind of jaded with, or 521 00:25:18,140 --> 00:25:20,840 not jaded, but I'm torn because I've, I've gone 522 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,720 periods, pretty significant periods with zero fiber and 523 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,020 I felt fine. There's been periods where I've had 524 00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:29,020 a lot more fiber and I also felt fine. I 525 00:25:29,020 --> 00:25:30,820 think my body is pretty adaptable. Like 526 00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:32,560 it tolerates whatever I give it as long as giving 527 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,640 it quality stuff. And whenever I don't eat fiber, 528 00:25:35,980 --> 00:25:39,720 I do so in the context of not really, like when I'm 529 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,660 in a cut, for instance, I'm dropping calories, my 530 00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:44,120 body's using everything that I am giving it. So 531 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:46,560 there's not really any waste accumulation in the 532 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,780 first place. But, but yeah, I think as long 533 00:25:49,780 --> 00:25:52,300 as you are consuming quality fats and proteins, 534 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,080 one's need for removing any putrifying foods is likely 535 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,080 diminished as well. Yeah, sure. It'll 536 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,060 be diminished a little bit, but you still have waste 537 00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,440 that needs to get escorted out. So 538 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,580 yeah, how long did you do the carnivore diet for? I 539 00:26:08,580 --> 00:26:10,740 mean, I've gone periods, you know, in excess of 540 00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:12,040 years. I mean, I could totally go 541 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,740 the rest of my life without ever consuming it 542 00:26:13,740 --> 00:26:15,700 green again. And I feel like I would feel 543 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:17,740 fine and function fine. And there's some people that 544 00:26:17,740 --> 00:26:20,360 have gone, you know, 10 years on a carnivore 545 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,860 approach. And it works seemingly very 546 00:26:22,860 --> 00:26:24,600 well for them. I feel like a lot of people 547 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,900 deviate from that because they just simply want more 548 00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:28,980 food variety, which I can totally understand in 549 00:26:28,980 --> 00:26:32,160 respect as well, in which case having a healthy green 550 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,860 is probably your best option without a doubt. 551 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,740 Yeah, there's nothing better than 552 00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:38,300 a big green leafy salad. You're 553 00:26:38,300 --> 00:26:40,920 going to get all your calcium and tons of 554 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,340 nutrients and minerals that we need. We 555 00:26:43,340 --> 00:26:45,280 need for brain health and for gut health and for 556 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,840 thyroid and for cardiovascular health. And 557 00:26:48,848 --> 00:26:51,760 so it's just in general bone building. So 558 00:26:51,768 --> 00:26:55,080 we, and protein is huge, but fiber is really, really 559 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,280 important as well. I think the main thing that 560 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,300 people just need to simply avoid is the processed 561 00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:03,440 foods, the carbohydrates. I mean, nobody needs the 562 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,220 amount of carbohydrates that are consumed on average 563 00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:07,700 these days. Like the notion that you have 564 00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:09,920 to have carbohydrates for energy is pretty much 565 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,780 dispelled with anybody listening to this podcast, 566 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,160 ketogenic approach. But people that are even 567 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,860 following, you know, traditional diets that 568 00:27:15,860 --> 00:27:18,480 assume they need, you know, 200 plus grams of 569 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,140 carbohydrates. Like, that is not evident 570 00:27:20,140 --> 00:27:22,940 anywhere in the literature. Exactly. 571 00:27:23,420 --> 00:27:24,940 Yeah. I mean, I've worked with some 572 00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:28,700 elite athletes. I worked with an athlete who 573 00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:32,000 was running 100 mile marathons or 50 mile 574 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,220 marathons. And, you know, a marathon was 575 00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:37,840 basically, you know, a training day. And 576 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,580 so this, this woman was, she needed a lot of 577 00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:44,820 carbohydrates or fuel. So for her, I did a different 578 00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:49,760 system. And she, she's just needed 579 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,540 carbohydrates, but she needed a, you know, a 580 00:27:51,540 --> 00:27:53,700 boatload of protein for those muscles. So 581 00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:56,280 everybody is different. It depends on how much you, 582 00:27:56,980 --> 00:27:59,660 how active you are and how much muscle you have and 583 00:27:59,660 --> 00:28:03,620 how much weightlifting and all those factors play a 584 00:28:03,620 --> 00:28:06,200 part. In addition, I do genetic 585 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,000 testing. So I do a genetic test that 586 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,700 tells us if you have more enhanced with power and 587 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:17,260 strength versus endurance. And 588 00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:21,240 so it's interesting to me to see that breakdown with 589 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,140 people. And, and sometimes I can see a 590 00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:28,340 pattern with somebody who was, and they usually tend 591 00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:31,540 to be somebody who's very athletic to begin with. We 592 00:28:31,540 --> 00:28:33,700 test them and then they say, Oh, yeah, that's why 593 00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:36,340 you're so athletic. You are, you have motivation to 594 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:38,920 exercise, you know, genetically, they have that, 595 00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:41,700 and they have power and strength and endurance. So 596 00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:44,100 it's really interesting to me. So 597 00:28:44,108 --> 00:28:47,080 genetics do play a part in that as well. How 598 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,080 much of what we see now in society, like the 599 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,000 obesity epidemic, the type two diabetes, the 600 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,120 neurological disorders, how much of that do you would, 601 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,220 would, would you attribute to genetic and epigenetic 602 00:28:59,220 --> 00:29:02,160 effects from generations prior to environmental 603 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,660 factors that we're currently plagued with? So 604 00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:09,780 genetics always do play a part in everything. And 605 00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:12,780 but basically, you know, we're doing so much 606 00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:14,620 advancement in genetic testing. And 607 00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:17,300 I really hope by the time my grandchildren are born, 608 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,520 that I'm pretty optimistic about this, but it probably 609 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,340 won't happen. Maybe my great, great great 610 00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:25,140 children. But I hope that when they are 611 00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:29,060 born, we take their blood and we say, Okay, here's 612 00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:32,040 your genetic makeup. And you can make a right here 613 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,260 or make a left there, you don't have to go straight 614 00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:37,780 and you don't have to. Now you know that you have a 615 00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:41,860 greater risk of this. So you can change the way you 616 00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:45,760 live or the way you eat or the way you do your 617 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,960 brain health or whatever it is that you're concerned 618 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,060 about. So that's the same thing what 619 00:29:50,060 --> 00:29:51,820 I see is that genetic testing. So 620 00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:56,780 you might have a higher an enhanced need to get 621 00:29:56,780 --> 00:30:00,880 vitamin D from foods or supplements. But 622 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:06,140 that doesn't mean that, you know, so so everybody is 623 00:30:06,140 --> 00:30:08,860 different. And so when it relates to the 624 00:30:08,860 --> 00:30:12,320 obesity academic epidemic and the inflammation 625 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,780 epidemic, which is the diseases, you know, 626 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,120 inflammation is the driver of disease, those, I don't 627 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,680 know how much genetics play. I 628 00:30:21,688 --> 00:30:24,660 mean, there is that level that playing field that 629 00:30:24,660 --> 00:30:27,040 that base foundation that we have. But 630 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,160 it's really the choices that you make. So 631 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,540 epigenetics are basically the environment and your 632 00:30:32,540 --> 00:30:35,020 lifestyle. How does that play with your 633 00:30:35,020 --> 00:30:38,560 genetics? Yeah, so it's yeah, so if you 634 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,380 if you have this genetic plate, let's say, and you 635 00:30:42,380 --> 00:30:46,600 are destined for, let's say you have the Abley 4 gene 636 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,160 and you are destined or you have a higher 637 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,960 likelihood for Alzheimer's. Well, 638 00:30:52,020 --> 00:30:54,360 if you know that information and you take 639 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,140 steps to avoid that by decreasing inflammation in 640 00:30:58,140 --> 00:31:00,540 your brain, eating foods that are going to be brain 641 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,540 helpful for cognitive health and exercise and sleep and 642 00:31:06,540 --> 00:31:08,940 do all the things that are going to help boost your 643 00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:11,960 brain health versus decrease your brain health, then 644 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,060 your likelihood of getting Alzheimer's is way lower 645 00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:18,340 than the average person with the exact same genes 646 00:31:18,340 --> 00:31:23,920 that you have. 100%. So yeah, epigenetics are really 647 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,320 the way of the future. When 648 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,120 it comes to genetic testing, there's a lot of 649 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,540 difference like this has become a more trendy 650 00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:34,120 popular subject. So people have, I mean, 651 00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:35,420 there's been all these different companies that pop 652 00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:39,080 up and will run your genetic data and spit out 653 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,040 a recommendation. Some are much more reputable 654 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,260 than others. Is there a particular company 655 00:31:44,260 --> 00:31:46,800 that you would recommend for that genetic testing? 656 00:31:47,820 --> 00:31:49,120 It depends what you are 657 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,720 looking for. So they offer so many 658 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,040 different things. The company that I use really 659 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,580 does more nutrient involved. It's 660 00:31:56,580 --> 00:31:58,620 more focused for nutrients. It 661 00:31:58,620 --> 00:32:02,460 focuses on workouts and weight loss and 662 00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:07,360 cardiovascular health versus something like a 23andMe 663 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,520 that will just do more, it will do traits and it'll 664 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,540 do a little bit of health stuff as well. But 665 00:32:14,548 --> 00:32:17,920 you know, how and my test does caffeine as well, but 666 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,000 that does caffeine. It does dairy intolerance. Mine 667 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,080 will do dairy and gluten. And 668 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,520 that test does a little bit more, you know, 669 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,900 ancestry as well. So it really depends on what 670 00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:32,800 your objective is and what your focus is, what 671 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,480 information you're looking for. Gotcha. 672 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,600 Makes total sense. When people are trying to get 673 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,700 things dialed in and they don't really know exactly 674 00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:42,800 where to turn first because it can seem pretty 675 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,260 overwhelming and daunting. They're 676 00:32:44,260 --> 00:32:46,140 going online and trying to diagnose themselves and 677 00:32:46,140 --> 00:32:48,780 figure things out. Where do you think people should 678 00:32:49,340 --> 00:32:52,800 probably allocate the most bandwidth in the beginning? 679 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,180 More sort towards the genetic 680 00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:58,840 testing, the blood testing, nutritional choices. Like 681 00:32:58,848 --> 00:33:01,200 what would you think the most proverbial bang for 682 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,620 the buck is? Absolutely, 100 % blood test and stool 683 00:33:05,620 --> 00:33:07,180 testing. So that's what I do with 684 00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:09,700 everybody I work with because I always say I'm 685 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:11,860 not really good at playing darts with the lights off 686 00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:13,960 and I cannot see the target. So 687 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,740 if you don't feel well, let's say you're not your 688 00:33:16,740 --> 00:33:19,320 optimal self, you don't feel like you used to 689 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,180 feel, you're gaining weight, you're sluggish, you're 690 00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:24,380 having guts, stuff, whatever it is, if you get a real 691 00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:27,060 good functional medicine panel, which is what I 692 00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:30,840 use, a comprehensive blood test, and I'm looking at 693 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,780 all four markers of blood sugar, I'm looking at all 694 00:33:32,780 --> 00:33:35,480 nine markers of thyroid, I'm looking at iron panel, 695 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,740 I'm looking at your white blood cells and the 696 00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:41,180 breakdown of that, I'm looking at your inflammation 697 00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:44,120 markers, which conventional medicine doesn't do any of 698 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,740 those things. I mean, they'll order one 699 00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:50,820 marker of your thyroid. And so once you have an idea 700 00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:53,520 what the problem is, I'm always looking at the root 701 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,780 cause. So what is the problem? Is 702 00:33:55,780 --> 00:33:58,900 it sugar dysregulation? Is it sluggish thyroid? Is 703 00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:01,480 it overactive thyroid? Is it a tremendous 704 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,460 inflammation? Then you have an idea of where 705 00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:08,540 you should start, where the dartboard is, where's the 706 00:34:08,540 --> 00:34:11,300 target. The stool test, I'm a huge fan 707 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,900 of as well, I do over 84 markers and I'm looking at 708 00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:17,780 your good guys, I'm looking at the bad guys, I'm 709 00:34:17,780 --> 00:34:20,060 looking at any overgrowth, I'm looking at potential 710 00:34:20,060 --> 00:34:23,699 pathogens, like Giardia and E. coli, 711 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,940 Salmonella, I'm looking at worms and parasites, and 712 00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:31,120 then I get a really good general idea of how much 713 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,760 inflammation you have. Do you have leaky gut? Are 714 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,320 you having a hard time digesting bats? Do 715 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,520 you need, are you producing any pancreatic enzymes? You 716 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:41,960 know, so on and so forth. There's 717 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,920 lots of stuff on that panel that I get. That's 718 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,020 usually where I start. If somebody's interested in 719 00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:50,639 their genetics, then I will be happy to order that, 720 00:34:50,659 --> 00:34:53,719 but it doesn't really steer me, because as I said, 721 00:34:53,780 --> 00:34:57,420 your lifestyle really is more of a factor than what 722 00:34:57,420 --> 00:35:03,360 your base foundation is if you are active in achieving 723 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,300 optimal health. If you're not active and 724 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:10,880 you're sort of active in achieving suboptimal health, 725 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,440 or you don't really care, you don't put much effort 726 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,460 into it, that's a different story than I would 727 00:35:15,460 --> 00:35:17,920 definitely say for sure, order those genetics, but 728 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,900 the people that come to me are people who are 729 00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:23,440 interested in maximizing or improving their health. But 730 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,640 we order that test quite a bit. I 731 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,540 offer it to everybody if they're interested, and then 732 00:35:28,540 --> 00:35:31,100 I can do further testing as far as like hormones 733 00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:34,940 are concerned, or a lot of viral stuff, or food 734 00:35:34,940 --> 00:35:37,360 allergies, things like that. But 735 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,880 those are the two main tests that I order, and 736 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,600 then we have an idea. Now, my philosophy, because I've 737 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,080 been doing this for decades, is not every 738 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,120 person can eat the same way. So, 739 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,040 where you might thrive on a carnivore diet, I 740 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,320 probably wouldn't. So, everybody is different, and 741 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,320 so nutrition then comes into play, and I customize 742 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,260 an eating program for your particular health status. 743 00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:08,980 So, if you've got blood sugar 744 00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:11,220 dysregulation, let's say you're in type one type, 745 00:36:11,380 --> 00:36:14,220 or type two diabetes, and you've been at it for a 746 00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:17,500 while, and there's a bunch of symptoms, and you have 747 00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:19,740 your gallbladder, and you don't have any fat 748 00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:22,320 malabsorption, I'm going to suggest keto, that's an 749 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,300 excellent way to get to stabilize blood sugars. But 750 00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:28,800 if you've got autoimmune, or you've got let's say 751 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,720 you've got chronic bloating and some diarrhea, then I'm 752 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:34,120 going to see if you've got SIBO, which I can usually 753 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,360 see on that stool test, that small intestinal 754 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,400 bacteria overgrowth, and then I'm going to give you 755 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,940 a completely different diet, eating lifestyle, that is 756 00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:46,540 going to help with your gut stuff. So, 757 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,360 it really, I determine everybody's eating plan 758 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,500 based on their health status, that's how I 759 00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:55,180 created Food Frame, which is my methodology and how 760 00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:58,380 I see people thrive. I really appreciate how 761 00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:01,480 comprehensive functional medicine as a whole is, 762 00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:04,100 relative to Western medicine on average. I 763 00:37:04,107 --> 00:37:06,320 mean, if you go to your general family care 764 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,200 physician, you may get a blood test, which is going 765 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,060 to measure your LDL, HDL, and trig, and that's 766 00:37:11,060 --> 00:37:13,180 probably going to be about it. And 767 00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:16,520 then you'll get prescribed a statin, if your LDL is 768 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,300 too high, and you'll probably get prescribed 769 00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:21,840 insulin, or ozimpic, or something like that if 770 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,200 you're overweight. So, that is much more 771 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,600 comprehensive with functional medicine. I've 772 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,260 had several functional medicine practitioners on 773 00:37:29,260 --> 00:37:30,820 the podcast, so I kind of want to learn more about 774 00:37:30,820 --> 00:37:34,740 that as a profession. When did you start going down 775 00:37:34,740 --> 00:37:38,680 that route as a practitioner? So, 776 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,240 I've always had a fascination and a passion 777 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,760 about nutrition, because it was always so interesting 778 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,360 to me, because everybody in my life growing up was 779 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,140 always on a diet, all the women in my family, and I 780 00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:51,780 was like, you know, it's the same five, ten pounds 781 00:37:51,780 --> 00:37:53,680 they're always trying to lose. And, 782 00:37:53,860 --> 00:37:56,580 you know, these, for some foods were good, some foods 783 00:37:56,580 --> 00:37:59,180 were bad, and thinking why those bad foods taste 784 00:37:59,180 --> 00:38:01,580 pretty good to me. So, it wasn't, you know, 785 00:38:01,620 --> 00:38:03,900 everybody was just always in this deprivation state. 786 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,780 And, oh, I'm going to go off 787 00:38:05,780 --> 00:38:08,420 my diet tonight, and it just was this bad 788 00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:12,440 relationship with food. So, I became interested in 789 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,340 nutrition, and I studied forever, and then I became 790 00:38:15,340 --> 00:38:18,620 a clinical nutritionist, and I kind of put everybody on 791 00:38:18,620 --> 00:38:21,440 the same diet type, and I would test everybody for 792 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,760 food allergies. And I realized, some people 793 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,700 have a lot of food allergies, while some people 794 00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:28,300 didn't. And I realized it wasn't the 795 00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:31,540 actual root cause, wasn't the food allergies, because 796 00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:34,620 you're not born with 65 food allergies, right? You 797 00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:38,040 have a leaky gut, is what I realized was the root 798 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,380 cause, and these food allergies were basically 799 00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:43,400 sensitivities to foods, because you had gaping 800 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,040 holes in your intestinal lining, and these digestive 801 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,300 proteins were going in and causing inflammation, and 802 00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:51,840 eventually leading into autoimmune disease. So, 803 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,700 then I started to incorporate, when it wasn't 804 00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:57,480 really working for me, so it was pretty early on, 805 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,520 and I started researching functional medicine, and, oh 806 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,440 gosh, I went to a million conferences and webinars, 807 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:09,040 and really learned how to read blood work, and then 808 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,920 I realized, now I have the tools. Now 809 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,080 I can see where the target is, and now I can help 810 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,380 people, and my success rate of helping people just 811 00:39:18,380 --> 00:39:23,820 increased tremendously when I started using those I'm 812 00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:27,020 assuming all curriculum for functional medicine is not 813 00:39:27,020 --> 00:39:29,200 created equal. There are probably some that are 814 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,600 much more reputable than others. Is 815 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,700 there like a, like if somebody's listening to this 816 00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:34,360 and wants to go down the route of functional 817 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,400 medicine, like what direction would you advise 818 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,720 them to? The Institute of Functional 819 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,760 Medicine is really good if they have a very 820 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,380 comprehensive program, and they offer different things. 821 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,700 So you could be a health 822 00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:47,560 coach or a functional nutritionist, or there's 823 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,640 lots of different things you can do in the 824 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,680 functional space. You can be an MD, you can be 825 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,840 a DC, an ND, so there's lots of things that you 826 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,800 can do, and they've got great resources, and if you 827 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,380 need a functional doctor, it's a great directory as 828 00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:04,940 well for every, you know, all over the country. So 829 00:40:04,940 --> 00:40:07,640 I really like the Institute of Functional Medicine. I 830 00:40:07,647 --> 00:40:10,500 think they are top notch. And 831 00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:15,680 how long does that study, that practice, that program 832 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,440 typically take? Well, it depends. I 833 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,200 mean, it could be three years, it could be, it 834 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,460 depends which course you do, and depends how quick 835 00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:26,500 you do it. So it depends what 836 00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:28,280 certification you're going for. So 837 00:40:28,288 --> 00:40:32,920 it's not more than I think three years, but I think 838 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,180 it's six months to three years. I 839 00:40:34,180 --> 00:40:35,980 don't know exactly because I'm not part of that 840 00:40:35,980 --> 00:40:39,700 organization, but you can, you're going to get 841 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:44,500 comprehensive learning in that, with that Institute. 842 00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:46,660 Do you get much pushback or 843 00:40:46,660 --> 00:40:49,000 flak from, you know, conventional Western medicine 844 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,640 doctors, or are they pretty receptive to what you're 845 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,740 suggesting and saying to your patients? It's 846 00:40:54,740 --> 00:40:58,760 interesting because I get a lot of different responses. 847 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,420 I get, I do work with a lot 848 00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:03,240 of doctors as patients, which always amazes me, and 849 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:06,840 I love that because they help them read blood work, 850 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,280 and they really don't know, they don't know what to 851 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,480 order, because they, they're just really going on what 852 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,540 insurance tells them they can order. And 853 00:41:14,548 --> 00:41:18,840 so I love teaching doctors about that. I 854 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,080 actually had a dentist years ago as a patient, 855 00:41:23,580 --> 00:41:28,260 and we, you know, I helped him with his weight issues 856 00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:30,040 and his energy and all that stuff. And 857 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,800 he came to me about a year or so ago, he's 858 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,820 developing a toothpaste, and now he started to implement 859 00:41:36,820 --> 00:41:39,460 ozone in his practice to clean the teeth, because I 860 00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:41,300 was telling him about that. When 861 00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:44,360 my kids were a little, I told their, their pediatric 862 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,300 dentist about xylitol, and then I know that she 863 00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:51,840 eventually started carrying xylitol gum and things like 864 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,100 that, and realized, you know, did some research. So 865 00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:56,260 some people are open to it. I 866 00:41:56,260 --> 00:41:58,680 work with patients, and I'll work with their 867 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,380 doctors, and some of the doctors will be completely 868 00:42:01,380 --> 00:42:04,000 closed to anything and say, this is, you know, 869 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,060 ridiculous, and, you know, I'm not going to be 870 00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:09,340 supplement searches to trash, and, you know, so 871 00:42:09,340 --> 00:42:12,900 it really is a wide spectrum of responses to, 872 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,100 but I think we're going in this direction. I 873 00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:17,900 mean, I hope we are going more in this direction. And 874 00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:22,020 I think that a lot of MDs are very frustrated with 875 00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:23,940 not being able to help their patients. And 876 00:42:23,940 --> 00:42:26,520 they know it's a pill for an L paradigm. And, 877 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,100 you know, I was working with somebody a few years 878 00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:32,900 ago who was a surgeon. And one of his biggest hurdles 879 00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:36,520 was lunch, because the pharmaceutical companies 880 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,160 would bring lunch for his entire staff every single 881 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,880 day. And we, I, we talked about it, 882 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,640 and I said, how much control do you have over 883 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,040 what is being brought. So it turned out he had to 884 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,220 bring his own lunch every single day, and eat real 885 00:42:53,220 --> 00:42:56,200 good food. But it's, it's, it's a 886 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,780 challenge. So people are opening up to 887 00:42:58,780 --> 00:43:01,740 that. And I hope so because our our 888 00:43:01,740 --> 00:43:04,220 country needs good care. And 889 00:43:04,220 --> 00:43:07,480 so I do encourage any conventional alpathic 890 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,260 medicine doctors to to just open their horizons and, 891 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,220 and, and learn. I think people are, I mean, 892 00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:18,840 I think, I hope, you know, we obviously are facing a 893 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,800 downward trend in health as a, as a whole. But 894 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,260 I feel like people are opening their eyes to the 895 00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:27,000 fact that there's, you know, not any one make or 896 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,120 break factor, but it's kind of more everything in 897 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,840 tandem, everything in unison that's working against us. 898 00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:33,840 And with that holistic approach, 899 00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:36,040 I think they're looking for more holistic means of 900 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,620 improving things, which paints functional medicine 901 00:43:38,620 --> 00:43:40,340 in a positive light, because that typically takes 902 00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:42,980 a more holistic approach and view. So 903 00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:44,780 I think the trends are moving in the right 904 00:43:44,780 --> 00:43:46,520 direction in that regard. Like 905 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,720 I've talked to several people that were, you know, 906 00:43:49,780 --> 00:43:51,720 frustrated and dismayed by the care they're beginning 907 00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:54,240 with traditional routes. And then they were able to 908 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,260 break free of that and actually get some far, far 909 00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:59,640 more minimum progress made in working with the 910 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:00,760 functional medicine practitioner. And 911 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,720 so I think, I think that trend is starting to move 912 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:05,620 in the right direction. Yeah. 913 00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:07,920 And I think people are finding functional medicine 914 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,880 because I'm usually, you know, the last stop for 915 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,520 people who are really sick and they, they're so 916 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,180 frustrated. And I mean, I'm working with 917 00:44:16,180 --> 00:44:18,920 somebody right now who is, you know, in our late 30s, 918 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,280 she's got three young kids and she was in major, 919 00:44:21,460 --> 00:44:24,300 major pain or full body pain from rheumatoid 920 00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,520 arthritis. And the doctor just gave her a 921 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,960 myriad of pills and said, here, take these for the 922 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,320 rest of your life. And, and, you know, but they 923 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,720 were trying to manage her disease or her diseases. 924 00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:37,500 And we reversed it. So 925 00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:39,800 we haven't gotten a diagnosis yet to reverse 926 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,140 it. We just started, but her pain 927 00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:46,300 is virtually gone in, you know, four to six weeks. 928 00:44:46,740 --> 00:44:48,800 So for, for, for that and 929 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,480 with no medication. So I think people are 930 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,660 realizing that that is not the right thing to do. And 931 00:44:55,660 --> 00:44:58,220 the unfortunate thing is functionalists and typically 932 00:44:58,220 --> 00:45:01,700 is out of pocket. So it would be so great if 933 00:45:01,700 --> 00:45:05,320 we could get insurance companies behind this, they 934 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,000 would save a ton of money because people wouldn't need 935 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,940 long term care as much and as many doctor visits, if 936 00:45:11,940 --> 00:45:15,180 we just focused on what they ate, and it's worked 937 00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:20,580 on prevention instead of, you know, crisis, health 938 00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:23,220 crisis instead of, you know, wellness. Has 939 00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:25,500 there been any fore momentum on that in front, 940 00:45:25,660 --> 00:45:27,280 like are there insurance companies that are reaching 941 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,200 out and being more proactive in working with 942 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,400 functional practitioners? Or is that not really the 943 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,860 case yet? I haven't seen it, but I 944 00:45:33,860 --> 00:45:37,160 don't use insurance except for one lab I use with 945 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,520 insurance and they are starting to deny it more 946 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,460 and more. So in my case, that's going 947 00:45:42,460 --> 00:45:44,560 in the opposite direction. And 948 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,100 what's happening is people are finding this to be an 949 00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:49,460 opportunity. So it's a lab test that I 950 00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:52,760 use. And so people are starting to 951 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,220 create their own lab test and it's private. And 952 00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:57,380 so they will pay cash for it. So 953 00:45:57,380 --> 00:45:59,220 it's a business for them. And 954 00:45:59,220 --> 00:46:01,940 they see an opportunity because insurance companies 955 00:46:01,940 --> 00:46:04,500 aren't even covering these to begin with. So, 956 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,400 you know, I'm not I'm seeing the insurance 957 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,520 companies covering less. And I don't order any of my 958 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,380 lab work through insurance companies because my copay 959 00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:17,300 ends up being more than if I bought it for cash 960 00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:20,820 through my office and I don't mark up my lab. So 961 00:46:20,820 --> 00:46:23,780 they're the same as everybody pays. But 962 00:46:23,780 --> 00:46:28,900 it's crazy to me that we that it's expensive. And 963 00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:32,140 and the doctor, you'll go, people would go to their 964 00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:34,180 doctors, they'll say to me, well, I'm insurance, I pay 965 00:46:34,180 --> 00:46:36,740 for insurance, I want to order all your labs through 966 00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:39,100 my insurance company. I said, okay, great. I 967 00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:41,040 used to say, let's try it. But 968 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,680 now I don't do this anymore because I've never 969 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,180 had it work 100%. And some of the doctors don't 970 00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:47,820 even know what some of these labs are. So 971 00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:50,380 they don't order it. And then they don't order it 972 00:46:50,380 --> 00:46:51,840 because they know the insurance company is not 973 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,040 going to pay for it. So it's a whole headache for 974 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,060 their front office. I don't blame them. But 975 00:46:57,060 --> 00:47:00,420 it's really the insurance companies that need the 976 00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:04,120 schooling on on changing the system. I 977 00:47:04,127 --> 00:47:07,000 worked with a guy who was an executive for a big 978 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,600 insurance company. And when after I worked with 979 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,820 him, he's one of our last visits, he goes, wow, I 980 00:47:13,820 --> 00:47:16,280 don't know why we don't cover this, like all of 981 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,900 the symptoms went away. He just he felt tremendously 982 00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:21,000 great. His weight dropped, everything 983 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,080 worked for him. And he said, I said, please, 984 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,780 please go talk to your your executive team and try 985 00:47:28,780 --> 00:47:31,340 this would be so good for you and for your bottom 986 00:47:31,340 --> 00:47:34,360 line. Yeah, insurance, I don't get me 987 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,300 started on insurance. Insurance 988 00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:37,320 is a total mess that ends at nightmare. I 989 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,920 mean, that is without a doubt our largest personal 990 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,760 expense in the home. And it's like my wife and I 991 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,100 are both incredibly healthy. We 992 00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:47,240 eat the best foods. You know, we do not deviate. 993 00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:49,560 We train, we get all we're 994 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,160 checking all the boxes yet I have to pay this massive 995 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,060 monthly premium. And none of the tests that I 996 00:47:55,060 --> 00:47:57,120 would ever want to get anyways would be covered by 997 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,820 it. So it's like, I don't know, 998 00:47:58,860 --> 00:48:01,000 like you feel obligated to pay for insurance in that 999 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,780 what if scenario, but it's like this is there's got 1000 00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:06,040 to be a better way. Yeah, well, you're not even 1001 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,540 obligated to legally have to. Yeah. 1002 00:48:09,020 --> 00:48:11,560 And it's really predicated more on where you live 1003 00:48:12,220 --> 00:48:14,740 versus what your health status is. When 1004 00:48:14,740 --> 00:48:17,040 I just recently got new insurance, because I had 1005 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,800 to. And I said, Jill, you have 1006 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,200 some kind of a catastrophe program for me, because I 1007 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,700 don't really use your services much, you know, 1008 00:48:24,740 --> 00:48:28,080 I'll pay for my annual OB appointment, but I can pay 1009 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,820 for that. I don't need to pay all this 1010 00:48:29,820 --> 00:48:31,580 money for just for that. And 1011 00:48:31,580 --> 00:48:34,820 she said, well, you don't qualify with your income 1012 00:48:34,820 --> 00:48:39,480 for that. So, and then I asked about the 1013 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:47,700 pricing and I said, aren't you going to live in a 1014 00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:50,100 good neighborhood, then my insurance was more 1015 00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:53,940 expensive. So it's a very broken system. 1016 00:48:54,580 --> 00:48:55,460 Yeah. And I don't know what the 1017 00:48:55,460 --> 00:48:57,600 solution to that is. I mean, there's just so many, 1018 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,700 so many factors at play working against the actual 1019 00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:03,780 health care and betterment of society that I don't 1020 00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:05,760 even know what the solution would be. But 1021 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,980 I know what we're currently doing is likely the 1022 00:49:07,980 --> 00:49:10,200 furthest thing from optimal. Yes, 1023 00:49:10,540 --> 00:49:12,960 it's broken. Yeah, 100%. Well, 1024 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,740 talk to me about your course, your resources, your 1025 00:49:15,740 --> 00:49:18,600 website, like how do people get involved? And 1026 00:49:18,607 --> 00:49:21,260 what all does the thyroid course until? Yeah, 1027 00:49:21,340 --> 00:49:24,080 so I have a cheating optimal thyroid health. It's 1028 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,460 a course, an online course that is everything I know 1029 00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:29,780 about thyroid, which is a lot because I've been doing 1030 00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:33,220 it for so long. And for myself personally, I'm 1031 00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:37,380 worse my Hashimoto's. 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And it's all on my website as 1044 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,200 well. I work with people all over 1045 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,160 the country, be a zoom and you can find me at my 1046 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,280 website is Risa R -I -S -A last name is grew G -R -O 1047 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,400 -U -X nutrition .com. All social media is really 1048 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,900 secure nutrition and feel free to say hello, call 1049 00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:33,940 the office make an appointment or just learn 1050 00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:37,760 something from the website or in for Instagram. Well, 1051 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,520 I will most definitely link out to that and make it 1052 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,280 easy for people to find you. And 1053 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,240 I really appreciate what you're doing. I 1054 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:43,660 appreciate you trying to help people for the right 1055 00:50:43,660 --> 00:50:46,680 reasons and just keep fighting the good fight, 1056 00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:48,640 Risa. Thank you. And 1057 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,680 the same to you. I appreciate you having the 1058 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:55,500 megaphone and talking about what's important in terms 1059 00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:57,220 of health. So thank you. Hey, 1060 00:50:57,300 --> 00:50:58,780 my pleasure. There's everything I can do to 1061 00:50:58,780 --> 00:50:59,960 help move the needle for you. Just 1062 00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:02,520 let me know. Thanks so much. Take 1063 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,000 care. Okay, YouTube.