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What is going on ladies and 
gents? 

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Robert Sykes keto Savage.com and
today I have special guests 

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Tanya Pennington on. 
WE delve deep into a lot of 

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different things. 
I've got a lot of respect for 

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her based off her approach to 
nutrition training. 

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We just drove deep. 
It was good. 

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She's competed in the past 
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she's now doing Spartan races, 
but she also used to compete in 

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figure. 
So we dove into what her 

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nutritional protocol was then 
and then now that she's keto, 

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how she's Implemented and change
that to for her clients. 

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And honestly was kind of strange
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And my protocol is pretty much 
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Not going to say the same, but 
it's very similar. 

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So it was cool to see and hear 
somebody else's approach and see

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how it mirrored. 
A lot of the same things that I 

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do and it works so huge set out 
to her there for finding 

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something that works well, and 
then preaching that as a 

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healthier alternative to what a 
lot of people are doing out 

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there. 
And on top of that, we talked 

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about sex at the Spartan races, 
I dove into that with her 

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because I've been intrigued by 
that Sport and I'm considering 

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doing that at some point in the 
future and we also do of into a 

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nutritional therapy. 
She's a nutritional therapist. 

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We talked about how she 
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how she helped improve the 
absorption of the fat in her 

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diet, which we talked about a 
lot of things. 

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So sit back, relax. 
Hope you enjoy the podcast with 

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Tanya Pennington. 
And we're live Tonya Pennington.

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How are you doing, great? 
How are you doing? 

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I'm doing wonderfully. 
Well, I'm excited to talk with 

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you because I was talking to 
Crystal and she had mentioned 

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that you'd helped her son with 
her prep and I just really 

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respect and look to other female
competitors that are doing the 

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hard things outside of just 
competitions in and general. 

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But I mean, you've done a whole 
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Bunch of Spartan races. 
Like you're doing impressive 

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things, following a ketogenic 
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like those stories need to be 
voiced so that more people know 

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that it's possible. 
Yeah, so dive into your 

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background as a nutritional 
therapist. 

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I just want to kind of give me 
some background and give the our

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listeners a little little 
insight into what got you into 

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the space. 
Okay, well, I've actually been 

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in this industry for 20 years 
now and my passion for health 

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and fitness really began. 
It begin in high school and I 

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think a lot of it was, you know,
kind of looking around at my 

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family, really on both sides. 
My mom's side, my dad's side. 

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And, you know, not everybody is 
the healthiest and I thought, 

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you know, I really don't want to
end up in that place. 

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And so, I actually one week 
after graduating, high school 

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became a personal trainer and 
was just thought I had, you 

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know, hit the jackpot. 
It was my dream job. 

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It was everything I ever wanted 
to do and I loved it. 

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I continue to To do that for 
years, went on to get my degree 

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in kinesiology with the 
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And exercise, science actually 
competed in my very first figure

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competition and 2001. 
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now. 
And at that point, my whole goal

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in life was to own a gym. 
I thought that's there was no 

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question in my mind. 
That's what I was going to do 

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because of my passion for what 
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And so one thing that my mom had
always told me is whatever it is

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that you think you want to do in
life, make, you know, really 

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make sure that you're working in
that area for a period of time. 

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So that you, you know, you 
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about. 
And so I went into Jim 

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management, I was a general 
manager of several gyms, I 

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enjoyed it. 
However, I just couldn't help, 

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but notice how many people were 
coming in and out of there and I

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mean, working their butts off. 
I mean, just the intensity was 

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through the roof and they were 
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And but a year would go by and 
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their body composition and you 
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working for. 
They wanted that change. 

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And that's when I really started
switching over to okay, I need 

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to focus more on this nutrition 
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going to outwork a poor diet. 
Unless, you know, there are In 

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year old male, right, right? 
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So I really started looking into
the nutrition side of things and

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actually switched my career over
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nutrition and supplement stores.
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I actually managed supplement 
stores and I continue to compete

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in figure competitions as well. 
And then I finally opened my own

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supplement store which I 
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So I have a brick and mortar 
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And with that, I knew I wanted 
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further beyond what I was 
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Which was, you know, helping 
people with customized meal 

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plans. 
I was coaching figure and bikini

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and physique athletes at that 
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to help at a deeper level and 
that's why I chose to continue 

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my education to become a 
functional, nutritional therapy 

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practitioner a certified, 
diabetes specialist, And a 

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restorative Wellness 
practitioner which allows me to 

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really go into the digestive 
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So I'm able to specialize in Fat
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optimizing performance and I can
do it all through nutrition and 

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lab testing in the lab. 
Testing is really an important 

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aspect to all of it so that we 
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and find the root cause of 
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Because you know, we're looking 
at everything with a functional 

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perspective. 
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it leaves me today is I've got 
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I've got my nutritional therapy,
practice nourish to thrive which

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I run out of my office inside of
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well as I work remotely with 
clients and I continue to coach 

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competitors. 
I've got both bikini and figure 

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who are competing, currently I 
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half marathons and Yeah. 
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Lots of different Avenues. 
I want to take this with regard 

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to the nutrition and kind of 
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you started getting into it it's
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people have that background, 
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training is kind of like the 
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your composition looks, and that
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And so, as what I did, when I 
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in the gym at next nutrition was
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feel like people put these 
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you know, 75% training, 25% 
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But I think the more I learn, I 
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The flip-flop of that more more 
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Anything else? 
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might even be low for the 
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Totally, totally. 
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the keto diet, you've been doing
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Now what what did you find in 
doing your nutritional therapy 

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studies? 
Working with the clients. 

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Like what led you down that path
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Emphasizing of the, the fat a 
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all kind of began because it 
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was dealing with. 
Whether we were talking, you 

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know, digestive issues. 
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we're talking inflammation, 
adrenals thyroid, it all came 

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back to the foundation of 
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levels. 
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that aspect, if that's where we 
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way. 
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is, that we're trying to heal. 
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Our blood sugar levels and that 
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carbohydrates. 
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with carbohydrates, it's kind of
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And so, it's like, they kind of 
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And so if we can pull the 
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increasing our good quality fat 
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beautiful balance of blood sugar
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to move on beyond that to do the
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agree. 
There's a pretty bad. 

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I mean it's interesting for me 
that you are, you know, coach to

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these bikini and figure athletes
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bodybuilding industry as a home 
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the last demographics to really 
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As has a, you know, option for 
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I feel like they often times 
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Builders are pretty ignorant. 
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doing key. 
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carbs whereas in reality, 
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the protein, not in taking 
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So do you feel like you've been 
getting a bunch of resistance 

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from that space and being a 
coach for figure athletes to do 

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a ketogenic prep well. 
So number one, I definitely 

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agree with you about that space 
being the last to embrace a 

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ketogenic approach. 
And yes, I've had so many 

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clients, come to me and say, oh 
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for my prep with you. 
Because I've tried that before 

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and it didn't work for me. 
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well can I see what plan you 
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So that we can just confirm that
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a ketogenic protocol. 
Never trying to step on another 

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coaches toes, but if I'm able to
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you know, here's how it's 
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for you. 
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board and because a lot of 
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me for coaching, it's always 
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It is certainly not my, it's not
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money that's kind of like my 
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I enjoy staying involved in the 
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have just you know a small team 
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usually somebody who's been 
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So I don't generally tend to 
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Getting them to do, you know, to
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explained to them that in my 
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years of experience with this 
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I like to use a ketogenic 
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takes a lot of the guesswork out
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It takes a lot of the guesswork 
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think most important is what 
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between shows if they're doing 
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rebound effect, when somebody 
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ketogenic protocol is just so 
much less at least in my 

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experience than when I would. 
What I used to coach, without a 

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ketogenic protocol, or when I 
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ketogenic protocol, there is 
just something about that 

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rebound effect that it's easy 
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A female to put on 20 pounds 
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I totally, totally green. 

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I feel like none of the people 
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So I'm definitely going to take 
this opportunity to just dive 

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deep because I feel like it 
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I mean, I personally gained 20 
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show after my first competition,
which was just not healthy. 

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That was obviously before key 
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But with her, you mentioned peak
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your Peak Week by leveraging, a 
ketogenic diet for your contest 

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prep. 
So, what is, what does that 

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mean? 
Exactly, in your words? 

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Like, I know how I work with my 
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keto, but I'd love to hear your 
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it's easier more sustainable 
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bro, diets. 
Sure. 

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Yeah. 
So the the Bro way I guess is 

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just so much more complicated 
because we have this theory that

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it's like okay pull out the 
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That way you empty your glycogen
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and make sure you're drinking a 
bunch of water at that point and

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then you're going to drop your 
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And now we're going to eat a 
bunch of carbs and all those 

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carbs are going to go directly 
into your muscles and fill them 

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up as if we get to choose, you 
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are going to go and you know, 
you're playing this game with. 

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You know, hoping that you don't 
spill over. 

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But also hoping that you get 
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look too flat shoot. 
Do we need to cut your water 

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more, do we need to increase 
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you're chasing that whole game 
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out of it, oh my gosh. 
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becomes so much easier first and
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ready for their show a week 
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Totally agree. 
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to, you know, cut and empty and 
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these things and going, I don't 
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coming up to show day. 
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bloat, you know, to make sure. 
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They don't have any bloke coming
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I'll increase their proteins a 
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toward the end of the week, I 
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And as a matter of fact, what I 
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night before the show is eat, 
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Omega key do pizza. 
And would you like I got that 

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from you? 
Oh, I thought it said a little 

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for me because I made that one 
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you're using the that fish. 
Pizza that I made. 

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On one of my athletes who was 
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gosh, not only did she love the 
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have in there and the ratio of 
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wonderful things. 
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will have my athlete. 
Send me their weight and 

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pictures Friday morning. 
Go through a trial on Friday. 

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the evening and then Saturday 
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interesting. 
So there's just a lot more 

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the equation. 
I definitely want to dive into 

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this. 
Because I want to just Echo and 

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emphasize what you just said, 
because I totally agree and it 

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sounds like our Protocols are 
pretty similar. 

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that people need to be ready 
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week. 
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many people come up to me and 
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themselves assuming that they're
going to do some crazy water 

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manipulation and then look 30 
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hours and it's just, it's just 
total ignorance. 

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I mean, if you're not ready, I 
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amazing, several weeks out from 
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any water or caloric 
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that should be the standard. 
And if you're expecting to see 

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some miraculous change during 
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think we can both agree on that,
for sure. 

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You know what? 
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agreement but what I I also who 
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there is, I want to place the 
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it's the coaches that put this 
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That oh, don't worry Peak Week. 
Everything's going to change. 

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And I know personally, coaches, 
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325 gallons of water a day at 
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having them ingest, soy sauce, 
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things to retain all of that 
water and then they drop the 

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water down. 20 oz, cutting all 
of that, sodium. 

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I mean, all of these things. 
So, it's really the coaches. 

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I think that I've put this in 
the athletes mind and so, you 

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know, and it just kind of goes 
throughout the industry that 

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way. 
Yeah, I totally agree. 

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I mean, I am not the world's 
greatest coach painting means, 

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there's a lot of things that I 
need to learn. 

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Still, I learn something new 
every day, but I am. 

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I'm pretty. 
I'm just in disbelief and some 

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of the advice that I've seen 
coaches put out there for their 

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contest prep. 
Clamps. 

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I mean it's honestly just 
dangerous. 

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I mean it's not safe to have 
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hydration and electrolyte levels
especially when you're that 

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depleted. 
And you know that physically 

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active and Extreme as as you are
at the end of a contest prep. 

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I mean that's like the worst 
environment for having these 

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crazy manipulations with your 
nutrition, your water and take 

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your electrolytes, like the 
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you see. 
Staying on the normal day-to-day

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basis during Peak Week, the 
better. 

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I mean, I percent know what 
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don't even manipulate water 
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Like, like they stay hydrated 
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which I think is, is better. 
I mean, your body, you shouldn't

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have to dehydrate the point of, 
you know, muscle exhaustion, 

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right. 
Exactly. 

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Because then you just you feel 
horrible. 

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And I've actually had an 
experience. 

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Gosh, this was probably 2000 and
Might have been 2006 or so where

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I actually at registration 
passed out. 

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Yeah, and it would sadness. 
That's that's pretty common, 

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like a lot of people have that 
issue. 

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Yeah. 
And I had at that point, a coach

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who was having the drink, you 
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water. 
And, you know, so it's like you 

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said, you change all of these 
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that we like to expect what the 
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can't because we've just changed
everything throughout the, the 

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bulk of the prep. 
Do you normally have? 

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I got nobody's difference can be
different, macros different, 

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ratios for everybody. 
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that you have, have you noticed 
that they tend to perform better

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at a higher. 
Higher fat Ratio or a higher 

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protein intake, you know, it's 
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I start the athletes at 
initially and then I start to 

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kind of manipulate the proteins 
in the fats. 

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And I, and as we go along, I 
like to bring the fats down, 

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increase the proteins. 
And I will say that that works 

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really well for a lot of my 
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point where proteins and fats 
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grams and however, there will be
some athletes where I kind of 

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start going that same, you know,
decreasing increasing on the 

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proteins and fats that way and 
then the fat loss stops. 

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So then I'll back it up again 
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Town, protein down again and the
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we are. 
We're back on track. 

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So it's really a matter of 
there's, you know, there never 

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is. 
Just one way, it really has a 

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lot to do with with the athletes
themselves. 

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You know, we're just we're all 
bio individuals and so you know 

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we all respond a little bit 
different. 

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Totally agree. 
What about like total caloric 

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intake? 
Have you noticed, you know, with

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a keto approach versus a car 
based protocol with their total 

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caloric intake, is at the onset 
versus what it, tapers down to 

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there during peak week, is there
much of a variation there 

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between the carbs in the Ketone?
Protocols, Kyoto, protocol's. 

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You know, I definitely noticed 
that with the keto, protocols, 

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the total caloric intake 
generally tends to be lower both

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at the start and as we go along 
and then by the end, it just 

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generally is a little bit lower 
and I think that has a lot to do

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with just kind of the, the say 
shitty that comes along with it 

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and, you know, not increasing, 
not having those carbohydrates 

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to make you hungry. 
And, you know, because I used to

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do before I was doing the key. 
A genetic approach I would do a 

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lot of carb cycling with my 
athletes and this, this would 

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be, you know, say a decade ago 
in this actually has a lot to do

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also with. 
Hmm. 

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Maybe a ketogenic protocol would
be better. 

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Because what I would notice is I
would do this carb cycling where

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you know, on Monday, they would 
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Tuesday a little bit less and 
Wednesday a little bit less and 

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Thursday a little bit less. 
There would be two days where I 

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would take out the carbs drive 
up the fat. 

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And the person would just feel 
all of a sudden, good that day, 

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they had energy that it have 
dips and drives all of those 

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things. 
And they would always say gosh, 

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I would be so excited for my car
because I thought I was going to

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be So Satisfied to have all 
those carbs, but all I wanted 

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was more carbs on those days. 
All I was was more hungry on 

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those days and so you know, you 
really start to listen to those 

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things and you can't ignore it 
and you go, okay. 

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And that's when I really started
looking into, you know, that 

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insulin. 
Effect and in that, that hunger,

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you're driving up that hunger. 
And so, yeah, with the ketogenic

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protocol, I find that generally 
speaking the caloric intake 

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tends to be a little bit lower 
and perhaps that also is because

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of the, you know, muscle sparing
capabilities of the ketones. 

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Do you find that there's any - 
what? 

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Let me rephrase the question, I 
feel like a lot of people in the

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space specially competitors. 
They they're just Chronically 

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eating at a deficit and will 
definitely get into the reverse 

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that Parks. 
I know we have a lot to do a lot

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about the ketogenic diet can be 
applicable from the reverse diet

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standpoint but as calories drop 
for the contest prep, do you 

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notice that at a lower caloric 
intake? 

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The athletes that are following 
a ketogenic protocol home seem 

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to be outperforming those that 
have a slightly higher caloric 

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intake but with a card-based 
broke, I feel like the nutrient 

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absorption and Level of 
adaptation, when following a 

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ketogenic protocol at times of, 
you know, caloric deficit, like 

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when you're doing a in a prep 
you're going to perform better 

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with the Ketone based diet. 100%
100%. 

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So if I compare athletes that, I
was coaching before, not on a 

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ketogenic protocol to the 
athletes that I coach. 

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Now, only on a ketogenic 
protocol. 

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It's like they're just fine. 
They're okay. 

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Energy is good. 
Every time I ask them peak week,

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I just doesn't matter, they're 
just good and I'll see, you 

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know, because I have my brick 
and mortar store. 

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I have customers who come in who
have other coaches and No, 

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they're nearing their show and 
they just walk in like zombies 

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and I see them and I gosh you 
know I go gosh that really just 

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it brings back memories. 
It brings back memories to mild 

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preps and it brings back 
memories of, you know, athletes 

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that I used to coach. 
And here they are. 

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And I just, you know, you just 
want to tell him, it doesn't 

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have to be that way. 
It really doesn't. 

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And I, you know, I'm very 
careful. 

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Like I said, I don't want to 
step on other coaches toes and, 

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you know, especially coaches at 
live in my area and that sort of

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thing. 
I, you know, have respect for 

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all of them. 
But yes I 100% And in agreement 

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with you on that and I know 
again it was gonna be different.

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But have you noticed like a just
on average? 

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Like if you were to take all 
your your female competitors and

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average what their lowest 
caloric intake is, you know, 

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during that Peak Week period, 
what does that number tend to be

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around? 
Like what window is usually what

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you're saying? 
If I had to say an average 

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during peak week would probably 
be somewhere? 

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Around 12:00 12:00. 
He's a free competitors that I'm

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assuming her way in between, 
like, 110 to 130 somewhere in 

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that ballpark. 
Yes. 

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I would say, even gosh, 108 up 
to maybe. 

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Yeah. 
Maybe 130 hi-yah about 130. 

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Yep. 
And that's what we've gotten 

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down to. 
And then when they reverse 

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dieting, where they tend to 
like, where they start to 

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normalize like hormonal e 
metabolically, what caloric 

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intake when they're building 
back up, they tend to To 

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normalize that. 
So generally around depending on

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the athlete generally end up, 
you know how much muscle they 

449
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have and that sort of thing. 
I see them do pretty well. 

450
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:48,600
Up around the 1802 about 2,200 
once we have reversed all the 

451
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,300
way back up. 
Yeah, I think that is that is 

452
00:24:51,308 --> 00:24:53,900
huge and a lot of people want to
make sure they need to listen is

453
00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:56,400
podcast. 
Doesn't hear that 1,200 number 

454
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,300
and think that's what sustained 
indefinitely because a lot of 

455
00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:01,600
people come to me and they're 
like oh I've been eating 1200. 

456
00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:03,900
Diaries for the last eight 
months and nothing is changing. 

457
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,200
And that, that's that happens 
way too often like way too many 

458
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,200
people are eating way too 
little. 

459
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:14,100
So having that because that, 
that period of time is only like

460
00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:17,600
a week or two and are you doing 
high calorie days during that 

461
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,900
Peak Week, period? 
Just toward the end. 

462
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:24,400
I'll do a high-calorie. 
It's not toward the beginning, 

463
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,200
Friday, the day before the show.
Usually, yeah, yeah, that's what

464
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,400
I do as well. 
So, while calories are super 

465
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,900
low, at the lowest, they still 
get one high-calorie day to kind

466
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:38,700
of offset that really low 
calorie intake, which I think is

467
00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:41,800
also hugely important. 
Like people, it's interesting 

468
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,900
like when you do competition 
prep, when you work with 

469
00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:46,500
athletes going through a 
competition, Prim, you have a 

470
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:49,300
much better pulse on how the 
body is responding to the 

471
00:25:49,308 --> 00:25:52,000
different color. 
Manipulations you're making and 

472
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,800
how it's impacting their 
hormones and metabolism and all 

473
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,400
that comes with that. 
And that's a concept that I feel

474
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,300
like a lot of people just simply
wouldn't never really had the 

475
00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:04,700
opportunity to get insight on 
because you just get such a 

476
00:26:04,708 --> 00:26:07,100
better grasp of it when you're 
going through a competition prep

477
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:09,400
and most people frankly are not 
going through competition preps 

478
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,800
but the principles that apply to
competitors are also directly 

479
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,800
applicable to people that are 
just trying to be healthier and 

480
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,800
change their body composition. 
Absolutely. 

481
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,700
And you know to kind of add more
to the the calorie talk. 

482
00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:27,300
Like you said, there are a lot 
of people who, you know that 

483
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:29,600
12:00 number is kind of in their
mind a lot. 

484
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,900
Gosh, I'm not seeing any results
and so when I have an athlete 

485
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,900
come to me, who does want to 
compete, one of the biggest 

486
00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:39,100
pieces of the conversation that 
we have to have. 

487
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,200
One of the biggest discussions 
is, Where are you right now? 

488
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,300
How are you eating right now? 
What are your calories look like

489
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:47,700
right now? 
And so I have them track for me 

490
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:49,200
for a bit. 
So that I can see where we're 

491
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,100
starting because potentially, if
this pertinent gosh, there are. 

492
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:55,600
There's a lot of women who, I 
mean, they're even down at, you 

493
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,400
know, 1,000 calories. 
Hmm. 

494
00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:59,800
And so I'll let them know, you 
know, we're going to need a 

495
00:26:59,808 --> 00:27:03,800
period of time to work together.
Before we start your prep, we 

496
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,400
need to get you on a baseline 
here so I can get them set up. 

497
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,700
And just as, you know, a 
customized meal plan client to 

498
00:27:10,700 --> 00:27:13,400
kind of build them up, so that, 
I can, you know, get them some 

499
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,500
sort of metabolism so that we 
have somewhere to go because I'm

500
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:19,400
not going to be able to put 
somebody through prep. 

501
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,400
Who's starting at 1000 calories,
1200 calories, or even 1,400 

502
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,900
calories. 
I'm not going to be able to help

503
00:27:25,900 --> 00:27:27,200
you. 
Because how much more can we 

504
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,200
really cut down? 
Yeah. 

505
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,600
And then we have to sort of 
establish that Foundation. 

506
00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:35,300
I have that same conversation a 
lot and a lot of people don't 

507
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:37,900
want to hear that like they just
want to do a prep, they just 

508
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:40,900
assume that it's going to be you
know gravy and they could just 

509
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:43,900
keep cutting calories. 
But there's there's only so much

510
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:47,400
caloric Runway, so to speak, and
if you've already run out of 

511
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,100
Runway, there's there's nowhere 
else to go except starvation. 

512
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:52,700
Nobody wants that. 
Exactly. 

513
00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:54,800
But yeah, this this is good. 
This is this kind of stuff that 

514
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,200
I want to put out there in the 
spotlight because more people 

515
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,500
need to know the implications 
that come with you know, caloric

516
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:04,000
manipulations and just chronic 
dieting and general. 

517
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:07,900
So let's dive into the reverse. 
So after the competition, you 

518
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:10,000
know, like like we kind of 
touched on earlier a lot of 

519
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,500
competitors have that - Rebound,
put on a bunch of weight over, 

520
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,200
you know, not not very long 
period of time at all. 

521
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,700
What have you noticed happening 
when following a ketogenic 

522
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:23,300
protocol? 
As a reverse diet compared to 

523
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:26,600
carbon based protocols? 
Gosh. 

524
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,500
It is just it's actually pretty 
mind-blowing to me to watch my 

525
00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:35,400
athletes. 
Post-show not blow up because 

526
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,300
that was just always a given 
before. 

527
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:39,500
It's like that was just going to
happen. 

528
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,400
And now with the ketogenic 
protocol it's actually 

529
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,100
interesting because you know you
would almost think especially if

530
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:48,800
it's an athlete who hadn't 
always been key do before. 

531
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,600
But now they are because of 
competition prep you might think

532
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,800
that they are just you know 
chomping at the bit for prep. 

533
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,500
Be over. 
So they can go back to their old

534
00:28:57,500 --> 00:29:03,300
lifestyle but because they 
realize how good they feel both 

535
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:06,800
just in general in life, but 
also comparative to other 

536
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,200
athletes that they've now met 
who have been zombies. 

537
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,000
They really don't want to go 
back to how they were eating 

538
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,000
before. 
So the, a lot of them are very 

539
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:20,700
willing to stay keto, and then 
we just start to titrate back up

540
00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:24,000
on those proteins. 
And those carbs, I'm sorry and 

541
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,300
those fats, Until we can get 
them back up to that place. 

542
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:30,700
Where great. 
Now, we've got your metabolism 

543
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:33,800
back up here because being at 
that low metabolism for too 

544
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,600
long. 
That's when we start to see, you

545
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,100
know, thyroid applications, 
adrenal implications, those sort

546
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:41,600
of things. 
So it's really important to get 

547
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,800
those calories back up to a 
healthy place. 

548
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,400
But doing that properly and I 
mean, I have to say and I worked

549
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,500
very close closely with my 
athletes. 

550
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:53,600
I have a good bond with each of 
them because it's really 

551
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,100
important and I don't, you know,
There's no such thing as it's 

552
00:29:57,100 --> 00:30:00,400
show day and then see you later.
You know, we still need to 

553
00:30:00,408 --> 00:30:05,500
continue this post show and so, 
but yeah, I just have yet to 

554
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:10,500
have a keto athlete, have a 
major rebound effect? 

555
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:15,300
Post-show, do you feel what? 
Actually in the entirety. 

556
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:19,200
So, like the prep itself, the 
peak week, the reverse diet, in 

557
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,400
all of that, do you notice our 
do you ever Implement like like 

558
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,600
carb up? 
Targeted carbs to cook carbs at 

559
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,900
all for any of your athletes. 
Have you noticed any reason to 

560
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,900
So I have a little bit with some
not all again because not all of

561
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:44,100
them need it but if I have some 
athletes who are having major 

562
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:47,600
Cravings during certain times of
the month or you know and it 

563
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,300
just really isn't letting up and
we've increased the fats and 

564
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:53,300
we've done all those things that
we know to usually do, I will 

565
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:56,400
sometimes allow them but it's 
it's going to be yams, you know?

566
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,400
It's going to be sweet potatoes,
something like that too. 

567
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,900
To just get those carbs in there
and see if that helps them. 

568
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:07,900
I might do it for one night or 
two nights, allow them to have 

569
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:10,100
that. 
And a lot of times, it seems to 

570
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:13,200
really help with that that 
leptin sensitivity again to 

571
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,600
where they're fine to move 
forward. 

572
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,900
So, I one girl right now who 
she's actually about to compete 

573
00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:22,600
next weekend, not this weekend, 
but the next and she's one where

574
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,800
I've had to incorporate a couple
of times a month. 

575
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,900
You know, some car bucks here 
and there but my other two girls

576
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:32,400
one, another one is With her. 
Another one, just competed a 

577
00:31:32,408 --> 00:31:35,100
couple weeks ago. 
I haven't had to do that with 

578
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:40,300
them and so, you know, it's just
really being in tuned with each 

579
00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:42,900
athlete to see what it is that 
they need. 

580
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,100
Do you notice that they have 
those carb cravings when 

581
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:48,800
calories at more of a 
sustainable higher level or is 

582
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,500
it just when calories are pretty
low, you know, it's hard to say 

583
00:31:53,500 --> 00:32:00,100
because they so rarely talked 
about cravings and so like with 

584
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:03,100
this Ticular athlete. 
It's kind of just been 

585
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:05,600
throughout the prep when we were
higher in calorie. 

586
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,100
And when we were lower, and when
we are lower in calories, now, 

587
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:12,400
it's kind of that same feeling 
that she's had. 

588
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,200
Although, but those carbons have
really taken care of it for her.

589
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,000
So, you know, it's just really 
been a non-issue but I don't, I 

590
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,000
actually don't see Cravings 
increase in my athletes. 

591
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,200
As we're dropping their calories
lower. 

592
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,400
I had Ali Miller on the podcast 
while back and we were diving 

593
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,500
into you. 
Averaging carbs for women during

594
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:35,700
their cycle to help normalize 
their cycle. 

595
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:40,200
And she went into detail about 
how that works from a biological

596
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,400
standpoint, like the with the 
leptin, in the grown, in the 

597
00:32:42,408 --> 00:32:45,600
hormones. 
But she basically alluded to the

598
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,400
same thing could be accomplished
just from in taking a higher, 

599
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:52,700
you know, amount of food. 
And that this was not talking 

600
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:55,300
about competitors, Pacifica. 
So some rules may not quite 

601
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:58,400
apply, but just people in 
general, I feel like a lot of 

602
00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:00,800
females are quick to look for 
carbs. 

603
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,600
As a way to satisfy our, as a 
way, to normalize their cycle, 

604
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,800
where in reality, it should 
probably be emphasizing just 

605
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,500
getting enough food. 
And that could be a really great

606
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:13,200
Point too. 
Because, you know, by 

607
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,000
incorporating the extra carbs, 
you know, we're incorporating 

608
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,200
more calories. 
And so you know maybe that that 

609
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,300
could also be accomplished by a 
higher calorie that, you know, 

610
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:28,000
higher calorie keto day. 
So that's certainly something 

611
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,700
worth trying as well and I'm 
like, you wear Gosh, I don't 

612
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:34,900
know everything as a coach by 
any means and I am always open, 

613
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:38,200
you know, in any aspect to to 
learn more to. 

614
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,800
I mean I'm just always wanting 
to learn more so I think that 

615
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,300
yeah that could be definitely 
something we're trying. 

616
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,200
Well, it is cool for me to hear 
somebody else following a 

617
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,200
similar protocol. 
What I Implement with my own 

618
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,000
clients as well. 
I mean there's there's a very 

619
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,200
unique approach to going through
a competition prep following 

620
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,800
legitimate, ketogenic diet not 
like a, you know. 

621
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:04,900
Form keto diet but I can actual 
ketogenic diet and, you know, 

622
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:08,000
both of us having competed 
following traditional methods 

623
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,000
versus what we know and 
Implement now it's like the more

624
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:15,800
the more competitors we see 
implement this that I don't 

625
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,500
know, it's just better, like 
people are healthier, it's more 

626
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:19,699
sustainable, there's less 
Damage, Done metabolically, 

627
00:34:19,699 --> 00:34:22,100
hormonal e for both male and 
female athletes. 

628
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:29,199
So it's cool for me to hear you,
describe your protocol and me 

629
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,800
pretty much recognize it very To
my own and know that we're 

630
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,400
sharing the same message. 
That's that's good. 

631
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,800
Yeah, I love that. 
So let's switch gears a little 

632
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,400
bit. 
I want to dive into what I want 

633
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,000
to go two different directions. 
I want to talk about the Spartan

634
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,300
races first because I've had a 
few people in the podcast and 

635
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:48,699
they just Dove deep into 
obstacle course racing and my 

636
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:51,400
interest has been piqued. 
But I have not yet, pull the 

637
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,900
trigger and pick the race so you
have done your like the Spartan 

638
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:57,000
Race Master. 
Now, right? 

639
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:04,900
Well maybe one day, I do have 
because I have such a wonderful 

640
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:10,300
husband. 
He has built two rigs for me, 

641
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:14,500
that we have here at our house. 
So I do have basically every 

642
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:18,000
Spartan obstacle at home to 
practice on. 

643
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:24,200
So and we do those regularly and
so, yeah, actually tomorrow I'll

644
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:30,800
be doing the El Cajon Beast, 
which is a 13 to 15 mph. 

645
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:33,900
Martin Rees, and that will have.
I think, somewhere around 30 

646
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:40,900
obstacles I've got Another 
couple races in November another

647
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:42,500
race at the beginning of 
December. 

648
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:47,300
And then I have my big this for 
me is kind of like a just sort 

649
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:49,900
of a one-time bucket-list thing 
that I think I'm going to do. 

650
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:52,900
Because I don't I don't know 
that it's very smart but 

651
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:57,100
mid-December I'm kicking on the 
ultra Beast, which is going to 

652
00:35:57,100 --> 00:36:02,900
be a 30-mile Spartan with 60 
obstacles, and it's gonna be a 

653
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:06,900
beast for sure. 
Yeah. 60 obstacles. 30 miles and

654
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:07,900
Where's that one? 
Okay. 

655
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:11,300
That one will be the Central 
Coast in California. 

656
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:13,400
Is it pretty cold there in 
California? 

657
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,900
I don't know me. 
Ya know, and the code actually 

658
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:20,100
at the coast right now. 
So I was kind of keeping my eye 

659
00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:22,100
out on the weather over there to
see what it's doing and it's 

660
00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:26,100
actually still like high 80s and
even 90s some days. 

661
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,900
So I'm really hoping that it's, 
you know, I'm thinking it should

662
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:33,800
probably be around the 70s. 
The coast generally is pretty 

663
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:39,000
stable, year-round on their 
weather So I'm curious because 

664
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:45,500
the, the mindset of a 
competitive figure athletes like

665
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:49,700
you were versus that of a 
competitive Spartan athlete like

666
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:52,500
you are now, has there been a 
shift? 

667
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:57,300
I have you changed at all in 
your approach to, you know, how 

668
00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:02,300
you view competition, how you, 
you know what your goals are in 

669
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:05,500
doing that event, or has that 
pretty much stayed the same 

670
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:09,600
throughout, because I've looked 
at how I view competing on stage

671
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,700
and I like competitions because 
it's like as its individual 

672
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:15,700
sports, not a team sport, I'm 
not a fan of team sports for me 

673
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:16,900
personally, it's just not my 
thing. 

674
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,800
I like being able to push 
myself, do you get the same vibe

675
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,900
from a Spartan or is it, is it 
something different entirely? 

676
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,800
So I will say that there are 
both similarities and 

677
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,800
differences between, you know, 
figure competitions. 

678
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,100
I also competed quite heavily in
Cross. 

679
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:40,100
Competitions and now competing 
in Spartans. 

680
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:43,400
The similarity. 
There is that they are all 

681
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:49,000
individual sports. 
And so I like you prefer the 

682
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,100
individual aspect to all of 
these things. 

683
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:55,600
So that 41 is a similarity that 
they all have but they all are a

684
00:37:55,607 --> 00:37:58,500
little bit different. 
So for me, the reason, so I 

685
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:02,300
actually stopped competing in 
figure competitions and 2012. 

686
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:08,900
And I remember at that point, I 
was single and living on my own 

687
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:14,100
with my two bullmastiffs and I 
would date but it never really 

688
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:17,700
worked out because I think that 
one thing that we can both agree

689
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:21,300
on is I'm not going to blame the
reason my dating didn't turn 

690
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:24,500
into more I'm not going to blame
it on figure competitions but it

691
00:38:24,508 --> 00:38:28,900
was one aspect because it's a 
very selfish Sport and so you 

692
00:38:28,900 --> 00:38:31,800
know because it's all about an 
especially with how I was doing,

693
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,200
you know, I wasn't using a 
ketogenic Approach at that time 

694
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,600
and so it was just you know, 
eating 67 sometimes eight times 

695
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,500
a day. 
My coach had me eating the 

696
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:43,200
cardio that you had to do in the
morning. 

697
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,300
The cardio that you had to do at
night. 

698
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,400
I was, you know, the job I was 
working at that time was 10 

699
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,400
hours a day and you know, then 
you set up photo shoots, you 

700
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,100
know, all these things. 
And I remember Still Loving 

701
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,100
competing but making that 
decision that this is going to 

702
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:02,200
be my last show. 
I feel like I need to hang up 

703
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,200
the figure suit and just move on
to something different that 

704
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,500
still allows Me to compete 
because that's just innately who

705
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:12,800
I am. 
Which is when I then switched 

706
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,500
over to CrossFit, but is it 
going to require such a 

707
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:21,200
regimented routine and such a 
weighing of all of my food and I

708
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,700
can't go there because they 
don't have the right things for 

709
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:25,700
me to eat. 
And I really don't want to go to

710
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:28,200
the movies because that popcorn 
is going to smell too good or, 

711
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,300
you know, all of those things. 
And so that was really, the main

712
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:37,500
reason I stopped competing in 
figure, as well as You know, 

713
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,900
there's this aspect in the 
bodybuilding industry. 

714
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:45,500
One of the biggest, one of the 
biggest things about it is it's 

715
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:50,500
a you know it's a political 
Sport and it's all subjective. 

716
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,100
Yeah so I really wanted to enter
into something that was more 

717
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:57,700
measured. 
It's like you won or you lost. 

718
00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:00,700
You did more reps or you did 
less reps, you lifted more 

719
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:02,500
weight or you lifted less 
weight. 

720
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,800
And so, I was kind of ready to 
just enter into something that 

721
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,600
was just more A goal. 
They on a judge who may be 

722
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,900
preferred a blonder over a 
brunette or a brunette over a 

723
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:16,200
blond because at the end of the 
day, that's what it could be 

724
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,000
which that's actually one of the
other conversations I have with 

725
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,700
a lot of my athletes is don't 
put a lot of weight on your 

726
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:26,500
placing here, you know, because 
it's all subjective. 

727
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,900
And so that's when I switched 
over to CrossFit and I would say

728
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:35,600
kind of the CrossFit and Spartan
thing were there, they're very 

729
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,000
similar to each other. 
Other what happened with 

730
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,300
Crossfit and I competed in 
Minnesota, I competed in Miami. 

731
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:45,100
I did it pretty heavily for 
about four years. 

732
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:50,600
I absolutely loved it. 
But the training for me, I 

733
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:56,600
remember the day that I cleaned 
200 pounds and I thought like, 

734
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,400
what do I really want to get up 
to do? 

735
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,200
I just want to keep going going 
going, like is my body going to 

736
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,300
be able to sustain this and I 
felt like I was constantly 

737
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,900
Nursing my left shoulder, I was 
constantly going to the 

738
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:12,500
chiropractor for my lower back 
and it's like I was spending 

739
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:18,500
more time trying to fix myself 
up and so that's kind of when 

740
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:20,700
that sort of all goes into. 
Also when I went through my 

741
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:23,600
adrenal exhaustion but I just 
kind of had to take a step back 

742
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,300
from that and the reason I love 
the Spartan races so much. 

743
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,000
Now we're not dealing with all 
of that. 

744
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,200
Heavy weight repetitively over 
and over again, it's more its 

745
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,700
endurance. 
It's you know you are using the 

746
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,800
Your glycolytic system as well 
but we're not doing you know, 

747
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:44,100
we're not we're not cleaning. 
There's no reason to clean 200 

748
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:46,700
pounds in your training for a 
Spartan Race. 

749
00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:48,700
Yeah. 
That makes a lot of sense there.

750
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:52,000
I mean, from the bodybuilding 
perspective, I totally agree 

751
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,500
with you, on the subjectivity of
the judging involved, and, you 

752
00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:59,100
know, that that makes it hard 
because I am very much a 

753
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:01,500
data-driven, like, measurable 
style person. 

754
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:05,000
So there's been competitions 
that I've remember last 

755
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,100
competition, I won A division 
but I lost the overall and I'm 

756
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:14,100
pretty sure it was simply 
because of the the color. 

757
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:17,400
Like the tan I used was it was 
solid but it was like a 

758
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,800
different shade than I normally 
use because what I normally used

759
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,500
was sold out when I when I order
the color and it was just crazy 

760
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:26,800
to like lose based off of the 
the coloring from from a 

761
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,500
definition standpoint from a 
symmetrical standpoint. 

762
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:33,200
I feel like I had had a 
competition hands down but the 

763
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,100
subjectivity that comes with it 
can without a doubt be Ting. 

764
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,100
So I totally like, where you're 
going with, you know, the 

765
00:42:40,100 --> 00:42:43,100
Spartan races in CrossFit being 
much more measurable. 

766
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:47,300
My own one knock against 
CrossFit is because I just feel 

767
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:52,000
like there's, there's so much 
more opportunity for injury and 

768
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,200
a lot of the movements that they
incorporate. 

769
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,300
And oftentimes, you get, you 
know, one trainer, overseeing 

770
00:42:58,300 --> 00:43:00,000
70, people at some of these 
CrossFit Gyms. 

771
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000
And there's no way they can 
really get the attention. 

772
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,500
Give the attention they need 
especially for someone that's 

773
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:06,700
newer to the sport and doesn't 
really know. 

774
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:10,000
How to how to operate their 
muscles effectively? 

775
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,800
I mean, there's a lot of room 
for injury there. 

776
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,900
Where's with the Spartan races? 
It's not as injury-prone. 

777
00:43:15,900 --> 00:43:17,700
I wouldn't think? 
Yes. 

778
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:22,600
And so I spent a lot of time 
defending CrossFit when I was 

779
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,900
doing it. 
And, you know, because I would 

780
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:28,500
say, oh no, you know, you just 
have to watch your form and make

781
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:31,200
sure that you don't, you know, 
don't get too crazy while you're

782
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,200
doing the workouts. 
Don't push it too hard, you 

783
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,200
know, and but the reality is 
that's what crossed it's all 

784
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,800
about it. 
Is, you know, you've got the 

785
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,100
person next to you. 
Everybody wants to keep up and 

786
00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:43,200
you told yourself, you weren't 
gonna, you know, push it that 

787
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,000
hard. 
And if your form got bad, dude, 

788
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,400
slow down. 
But you don't, and You know 

789
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,700
toward the end, it just got to 
where I couldn't deny it anymore

790
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:55,600
that and I absolutely love 
CrossFit. 

791
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,500
I personally do a lot of 
CrossFit style workouts. 

792
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:02,000
At my house, we have a shop. 
We are Jim is on our shop here 

793
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,600
at the house, but it's different
with me doing it here by myself,

794
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,000
as opposed to out with, you 
know, a group of other people 

795
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,100
that I'm competing against is a 
little bit different, but the 

796
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:15,500
shoulder injuries in CrossFit 
are just, I mean it's almost 

797
00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:18,300
across the board. 
Yeah, it's really hard to tell 

798
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:20,800
somebody. 
Said, an extreme athlete. 

799
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,900
Not overdo it that those words 
don't tend to sink in very well.

800
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:29,300
Exactly, that's exactly it. 
So with the Spartan races, I 

801
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:31,800
feel like my business. 
There's been several different. 

802
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,300
Don't know if they're called 
federation's or brands, or how 

803
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:37,200
they've got the, what's with the
lingo is, but there seems to be 

804
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,100
a lot more obstacle course, 
races popping up becoming 

805
00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:45,400
available is Spartan just from 
from my perspective, totally 

806
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,300
laypersons far as obstacle 
courses are concerned. 

807
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:52,200
It seems like Kind of like the 
king though, you know, I don't 

808
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:57,400
know if Spartan is the king, or 
if Tough Mudder, is the king, I 

809
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,300
really am not sure. 
But I'll tell you, the reason I 

810
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:06,100
chose Spartans over Tough 
Mudders is because I'm sure 

811
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:09,400
they're very similar in many 
ways, but in the Tough Mudder, 

812
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,600
there is an obstacle that you 
have to go through where there 

813
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,900
are all these cables hanging 
from really high and they hang 

814
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:20,100
straight down and you have to 
Run through them and they 

815
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:22,400
electrocute you. 
Yeah, I heard about that it does

816
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,200
not sound appealing. 
Yeah and I just can't get on 

817
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,900
board with that. 
And so I mean I've had several 

818
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:31,700
people tell me how they feel 
like they've just been you know 

819
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:36,000
punched directly in their chest 
from that you know electric 

820
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,100
shock. 
And so I didn't go that way. 

821
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:42,100
And so I do Spartans that's a 
good enough reason to me I don't

822
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:44,500
think anybody can argue that 
I've heard. 

823
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:46,900
I don't know if this is anywhere
close to the reality or the 

824
00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:49,600
truth but I've heard that 
there's been A push to get 

825
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,700
Spartan races and I don't know 
if it's Sport and specifically 

826
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:55,600
just obstacle courses in 
general, into the Olympics as an

827
00:45:55,607 --> 00:45:56,900
Olympic sport. 
Is that true? 

828
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,600
Oh, I have not heard that it 
would be amazing. 

829
00:46:00,700 --> 00:46:04,700
There are some really amazing 
Spartan athletes out there. 

830
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,200
And honestly like from you look 
at all the different sports 

831
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,400
across the board and you try to 
find like like functional 

832
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,100
strength, they call it, you 
know, like you want to be able 

833
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:18,600
to do things in training that 
have a direct carry over to 

834
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:22,900
Improving your day-to-day 
function and I look at, you 

835
00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:25,100
know, what I do as a bodybuilder
and there's definitely some some

836
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:29,000
crossover there, like being able
to dead lift a barbell directly 

837
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,600
applies to my ability that, you 
know, pick up seed bags, all day

838
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,200
long. 
But I feel like, as far as 

839
00:46:35,700 --> 00:46:41,800
anyone's Port goes being really 
effective as a obstacle course, 

840
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,300
athlete would have probably the 
most direct correlation to 

841
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:47,300
performing better in day-to-day 
activity. 

842
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:50,100
Yes, and I really love that 
idea. 

843
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:53,100
I think that has a lot to do. 
I think that was one of the 

844
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:55,400
things that I really liked 
initially about going into 

845
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,800
CrossFit and then it's now what 
I really love about Spartan, 

846
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,700
which I feel is, you know, even 
a little bit more realistic to, 

847
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:07,100
you know, really being 
functional and and day-to-day 

848
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:10,500
life and really being able to, 
you know, pull yourself up and 

849
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:13,100
hold yourself up and all of 
those things that especially for

850
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:17,800
women who generally have a 
really hard time with, you know,

851
00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:23,600
even doing one single pull up. 
And you're not using carbs to do

852
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,500
these races, right? 
You're sticking strictly to 

853
00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:28,100
threat the obstacle course races
in your able to write. 

854
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:28,800
Yeah. 
Function. 

855
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:29,800
Just fine. 
You know. 

856
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:34,300
Yeah. 
And I actually had tried before 

857
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:37,200
kind of loading with like sweet 
potatoes or yams because like I 

858
00:47:37,207 --> 00:47:39,700
said, I'm always up for. 
I'm always up for anything 

859
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:42,400
that's going to help me. 
So I'm willing to experiment and

860
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:50,000
try different things but I can't
really say that the Yen's did 

861
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,100
much for me. 
Me in terms of, you know, 

862
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:55,900
quote-unquote filling up your 
glycogen stores for more energy.

863
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:02,200
I will sometimes on my longer 
runs my half marathons. 

864
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:07,900
I will actually utilize Manuka 
honey and I really like to use 

865
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:12,900
that before and during my races,
but what I really enjoy 

866
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:15,500
utilizing and this is for both 
running. 

867
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:21,500
And and for my Spartan races is 
the Vespa the Best bow works 

868
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:26,100
really, really well for really 
helping you utilize your body 

869
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:28,700
fat for energy and what is that?
Exactly. 

870
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:30,800
I soldered conference but I 
haven't used it myself. 

871
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:36,500
Yeah, so Peter defty is the 
owner of Vespa and I think he 

872
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:39,300
was actually at Key token. 
I don't know if it was two years

873
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:42,600
ago or three years ago, might 
have been three years ago. 

874
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:47,900
Anyway, it turns out he lives 
here in my area and so so we 

875
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:51,200
talk regularly and I actually 
sell his best bet out of my 

876
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,000
store and so he's, you know, 
came and talked to me quite 

877
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,800
extensively about it and it's 
like a wasp extract, but the 

878
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:05,100
idea behind it is it it allows 
your body to use your fat for 

879
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:08,100
energy. 
So you take a packet about an 

880
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:12,600
hour before you're going to race
and you let it settle for about 

881
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,600
20 or 30 minutes and then the 
the key to it is going on at 

882
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,400
just kind of a nice warm-up jog 
for about 20 minutes or so. 

883
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:23,300
And then at the end that way 
you're kind of getting in your 

884
00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:29,000
system and at the start line you
take another packet of Vespa and

885
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,200
and you take off And then 
mid-race maybe an hour in an 

886
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,700
hour and a half two, and you 
take another Vespa, and it just 

887
00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:37,900
literally feels like Rocket 
Fuel. 

888
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,700
I mean, we're talking that these
have like, five grams of carbs 

889
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:43,800
in them, it's, you know, next to
nothing compared to like the 

890
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,200
Goos, you know. 
So it's a, it's a wasp extract 

891
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,600
like that extract of of what. 
Exactly. 

892
00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:53,400
It's a wasp extract. 
Huh. 

893
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:55,000
I'll definitely. 
Yeah. 

894
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:58,300
That's that's crazy. 
It's yeah, it's very 

895
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:00,700
interesting. 
It's incredible for he says, 

896
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:02,700
it's also great for athletes who
are not. 

897
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:04,400
He do, you know, I don't know 
about that. 

898
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:09,800
But for being ketogenic, I have 
really enjoyed using it. 

899
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,800
And so, sometimes I'll combine 
it. 

900
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,500
And also use a manuka sport is 
the brand, but they have this 

901
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:21,500
Manuka Honey, which can also be 
utilized like a goo. 

902
00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:24,200
But at least, you know, I enjoy 
the fact that it's a honey. 

903
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:29,200
And the Manuka especially has so
many Any benefits, so many 

904
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,300
health benefits. 
So for me, it's kind of like, if

905
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:34,800
I am going to put any sugar in 
my body at all, I want it to at 

906
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,300
least have some sort of other, 
you know, benefits for me and 

907
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:40,500
it's an antimicrobial, and I'll 
be singing. 

908
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:42,400
So I feel a little bit better 
about that. 

909
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,600
What about like the like the you
can starches, have you played 

910
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,600
around with those at all? 
I have not. 

911
00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:50,600
That's like the hot thing right 
now in the streets they raised 

912
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,000
playing around with you can 
Super Storage because it is 

913
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,600
supposedly impact your glucose. 
Yeah yeah. 

914
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,600
A lot of people, it's Funny. 
I feel like the keto spaces 

915
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,100
getting pretty experimental 
lately which is good. 

916
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:04,700
You know, the more the more 
people can try and test things 

917
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:06,200
out and see how it responds then
the better. 

918
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:09,800
I'm curious to see, you know, 
where the chips fall and 

919
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:10,900
everything that will be 
interesting. 

920
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:15,600
Yeah, I agree. 
So I got one more series of 

921
00:51:15,607 --> 00:51:18,000
questions for you. 
It's related to all of your 

922
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,800
experience with nutritional 
therapy. 

923
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,500
So, with you being keto now and 
following the fat based diet, 

924
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:27,700
how have you what? 
What have you noticed with 

925
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:32,100
regard to your gut health? 
And have you noticed any adverse

926
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:35,400
effects from? 
You know not incorporating. 

927
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,800
I'm assuming you're probably not
taking in as many dietary fibers

928
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,200
carbs as you were prior. 
So how has that impacted things?

929
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:48,200
Well, so I mean there's it's 
kind of like two things going on

930
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,000
because you know, getting 
involved or getting into 

931
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:57,200
nutritional therapy and that 
whole aspect of the education. 

932
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,600
In my mind, I was going through 
those things because I wanted 

933
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,000
to, you know, expand my 
knowledge, be able to help 

934
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,200
people further and on a deeper 
level and what really ended up 

935
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,300
coming up. 
It was identifying some 

936
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:15,400
imbalances and things that I had
going on with myself. 

937
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:21,200
And so, one of the things that I
have dealt with nearly my entire

938
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,900
life was chronic constipation, 
and it was just something that 

939
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:26,800
was a part. 
In my life and I had accepted. 

940
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,500
And that's just how it was 
always going to be. 

941
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,300
And so, you know, I've actually 
had to, I've run a, you know, a 

942
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:37,200
GI map on myself and food, 
sensitivity, testing and to sort

943
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,600
of identify what was going on on
the inside. 

944
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,300
Because, see one of the things 
was, I had switched to a 

945
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:48,700
ketogenic protocol and when I 
ran my GI my GI map test, which 

946
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:53,800
is a, it's a stool test and it's
a DNA stool test and it's going 

947
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,300
to identify anything that's 
going on in your gut. 

948
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:58,400
It'll tell you anything that's 
living in your gut and he 

949
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,300
pathogens parasites, worms, 
anything like that? 

950
00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:03,600
Luckily, I didn't have anything 
like that, going on. 

951
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,400
However, my Seattle credit level
was high. 

952
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,100
Meaning, I was not digesting and
absorbing my fats properly, 

953
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,200
that's not good. 
So then it's not good. 

954
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,600
So then what good is a ketogenic
diet going to do for me if I'm 

955
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,600
not even utilizing those fats 
and so I had to do it. 

956
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:27,700
Really take care of my 
gallbladder and some things. 

957
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:32,300
So that now I can and, you know,
and I absorb and digest my fats 

958
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:35,100
very well. 
My energy is much, much higher 

959
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:38,000
and chronic constipation is a 
thing of the past. 

960
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:42,000
So in all of that with, yeah, I 
really don't intake much fiber. 

961
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,400
And as a matter of fact while I 
don't you know label myself as 

962
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,300
any certain type of Quito I will
say that during the week I 

963
00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:53,700
pretty much just eat meat and 
organs and then on the weekends 

964
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:55,300
if I feel like it I might throw 
up. 

965
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:59,600
In an avocado or maybe I feel 
like having a salad and then 

966
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,000
maybe I don't, we just sort of 
depends on my mood or my 

967
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,100
husband's mood on what we feel 
like eating. 

968
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,900
So yeah, I really don't in. 
Take a lot of fiber and yet, 

969
00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:12,900
I've never been so regular in my
life. 

970
00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:16,100
Yeah, I honestly, follow pretty 
similar proko myself. 

971
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:19,400
I'd I don't label myself as a 
corner of warm because I'm not 

972
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,800
100% carnivore. 
All eat, you know, a random 

973
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,400
salad or obviously. 
I like to keep them bricks or 

974
00:54:24,408 --> 00:54:27,500
something like that. 
But I can confidently label 

975
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:30,600
myself as a strict, keto person,
you know that? 

976
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,000
I stick this tricky do, but I 
feel like, you know, I don't 

977
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,900
feel any benefits. 
Anytime I do ingest carbs or 

978
00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:42,600
broccoli carbs, in the form of 
vegetables, like broccoli or 

979
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,100
salads, any thought that? 
I don't notice any benefit 

980
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:48,000
whatsoever if anything, I notice
more of a bloat. 

981
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,300
So the only time I'll ever take 
it, just something to have a 

982
00:54:50,308 --> 00:54:53,200
little bit of variety to my my 
you know, food pallets. 

983
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,900
That's pretty much the only 
reason I'm ever. 

984
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:59,500
Ever consuming think it's nuts, 
animal-based, and that's I'm 

985
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:03,200
right there with you on that. 
Anytime I do consume it and I 

986
00:55:03,207 --> 00:55:06,000
know that I would probably have 
a lot of my colleagues who would

987
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,500
agree with me because, you know,
they're very big on variety of 

988
00:55:09,500 --> 00:55:12,200
vegetables and all those things.
But any time I eat it. 

989
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,500
Yes, it's really simply out of 
the fact of, you know, that 

990
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:17,800
sounds good right now totem. 
But other than that, you know, 

991
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,700
that's about it because I, you 
know, I get a lot of liver, I 

992
00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:26,800
eat, cod liver, you know, beef 
liver, Those organs there you 

993
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,100
know if you just so dense in 
those micronutrients did you 

994
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:34,700
increase like did you have like 
ox bile supplementation when you

995
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:37,700
were just in your there for a 
while and kind of getting your 

996
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,700
gallbladder producing like it 
should or would you do during 

997
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:42,700
that period? 
Yeah. 

998
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:47,300
So why I took so generally when 
a person still has a gallbladder

999
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:51,200
but it's not functioning 
properly, you don't generally 

1000
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,800
want to give that person Ox bile
salts because you don't want to 

1001
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:58,200
tell the gallbladder to Sure to 
stop doing what it's doing, but 

1002
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:03,000
sometimes in some more severe 
cases, it can be a good idea to 

1003
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,100
do a bottle or two of ox bile 
salts. 

1004
00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:08,900
And then switch over to a 
gallbladder. 

1005
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:13,100
Support supplement, that doesn't
necessarily contain the ox bile 

1006
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:16,700
but other nutrients to support 
your gallbladder and that's what

1007
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:18,000
I did. 
I actually went through two 

1008
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:23,000
bottles of the ox bile salts to 
get everything on track and and 

1009
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,300
then now just take a gallbladder
support. and, you know, those 

1010
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:30,500
existed like particular brand 
that you recommend Yeah. 

1011
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:35,000
So I usually for that we'll use 
the biotics research brand and 

1012
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,100
what all is in it just a 
gallbladder support, what does 

1013
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:40,900
that entail? 
You know the the trying to think

1014
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:46,900
the beta TCP has the I'm trying 
to remember, which of vitamins 

1015
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:51,000
it has in there. 
It doesn't have the aux file and

1016
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,000
I'm not remembering off the top 
of my head, which vitamins the 

1017
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,700
beta TCP has, although I could 
probably find my bottle of it, 

1018
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,600
but it does amazing without 
actually having your 

1019
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,000
gallbladder. 
You know, think, oh, I don't 

1020
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,300
need to, you know, do what I 
normally do with the bile 

1021
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:12,900
because, you know, she's giving 
it to me. 

1022
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,200
Yeah, yeah. 
That makes Sense and there's 

1023
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,700
never any good good that comes 
with supplementing. 

1024
00:57:18,700 --> 00:57:20,900
To the point of shutting down 
your body's own natural 

1025
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:24,400
production. 
Exactly, exactly. 

1026
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,900
And send you can do that 
sometimes for a period of time 

1027
00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:29,400
that you don't want to do it, 
you know, for too long. 

1028
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:33,600
Yeah, I know that it's got the 
one of the really great things 

1029
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,700
about it. 
Is, it has the it's got beets in

1030
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:39,100
there and beats are really good 
for gallbladder. 

1031
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:45,400
Support the only time when it's 
really a bummer is, if is, if a 

1032
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,700
person has a sensitivity, a food
sensitivity to beat them, were 

1033
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:51,600
not able to use the beta TC P, 
but there's other things like 

1034
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:56,400
Choline which is really great 
for gallbladder support as well 

1035
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,300
which the choline is really 
found in egg yolks. 

1036
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:01,800
And so if you're eating a lot of
eggs that you know was very 

1037
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,100
helpful too. 
You mentioned that during the 

1038
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:09,000
week, you probably sticking to 
meet and organ meat. 

1039
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,600
So what kind of like what's a 
typical day of eating look like 

1040
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:12,800
for you? 
I guess a good question. 

1041
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:19,500
Well, I start off in the morning
with a, I'm on a cold brew kick 

1042
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,500
right now. 
So I generally will do some cold

1043
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:26,700
brew, with some raw heavy cream 
in there. 

1044
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:34,400
And I, if I, if I allowed it to,
that would actually Hold me over

1045
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,600
until about, you know, maybe one
or two o'clock, I do, try to eat

1046
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,400
a little, I tried to eat earlier
than that because I am and have 

1047
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:47,300
been dealing with some adrenal 
and thyroid issues and so it's 

1048
00:58:47,300 --> 00:58:52,300
important to make sure that my 
body doesn't feel like it's ever

1049
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:54,900
in a, you know, starvation 
State. 

1050
00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:00,300
And so, I will sometimes I don't
like to have a heavy meal early,

1051
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:03,300
but I might have something like 
four pieces of bacon. 

1052
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,800
And I might do that sometime 
like around 11 or so in the 

1053
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,100
morning and then and then I 
usually just do two meals. 

1054
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:19,300
And so my meals might consist of
you know 8 to 10 ounces of a 

1055
00:59:19,308 --> 00:59:22,000
variety of meats. 
Maybe some tri-tip and maybe 

1056
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:27,500
some chicken thigh. 
I'll throw some cod liver in 

1057
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:31,600
there. 
My next meal might be a you 

1058
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,800
know, organ. 
Meat Burger, you know, a couple 

1059
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,500
of Patty's there. 
It's really simple, which I 

1060
00:59:39,508 --> 00:59:42,300
think is one of the things that 
I love the most about it is that

1061
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:46,500
it's just such an incredibly 
easy way to eat. 

1062
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:50,800
So my two meals they pretty much
are very similar to each other 

1063
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:55,700
and it might just be, you know, 
8 to 10 ounces of whatever meat 

1064
00:59:55,700 --> 00:59:57,800
I'm going to do and I don't 
really do. 

1065
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,200
I don't add a lot of fats, I'm 
not a big, you know. 

1066
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:05,300
I don't really add butter to 
things or I really enjoy fattier

1067
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:07,500
cuts of meat. 
So I don't, you know, I really 

1068
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:13,100
rely on my rib eyes and things 
like that to supply my fats. 

1069
01:00:13,700 --> 01:00:15,500
Yeah, that sounds honestly 
pretty similar. 

1070
01:00:15,500 --> 01:00:18,200
That what I do is well, it's 
crazy how similar our Protocols 

1071
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:23,500
are here, that's funny. 
Yeah, I feel like the it's just 

1072
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:26,800
honestly liberating to be able 
to eat, you know, once if you 

1073
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,600
wanted to but on a normal day to
day, you know, two meals a day 

1074
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,100
and you're good and it doesn't 
have any kind of negative impact

1075
01:00:33,100 --> 01:00:36,400
on on your training inability to
perform whereas you and I both 

1076
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,300
come from, you know, eating six 
to eight meals a day. 

1077
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:40,600
There's just there's no life 
that comes with that. 

1078
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,300
I mean your whole world revolves
around food whereas with keto 

1079
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:48,400
it's just you can you can have 
your life back and you can be 

1080
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,600
free from all the strain of, you
know, revolving, everything you 

1081
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,600
do every decision. 
You make every where you go 

1082
01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:56,000
around. 
What you're eating that day. 

1083
01:00:56,300 --> 01:01:01,000
Yeah, I mean, I remember when I 
was competing and I would wake 

1084
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:06,500
up at 3 a.m. so So that I could 
eat my eggs in my oatmeal. 

1085
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:10,400
Before I drove to the gym to 
work out at 4:30. 

1086
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:12,800
I mean, that's like being a 
prisoner. 

1087
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,800
Yeah, it's not, not sustainable,
not now, not with any degree of 

1088
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:20,300
actual enjoyment. 
I'm curious. 

1089
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:23,500
Have you seen the game changers 
documentary? 

1090
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,800
Gosh, I have not yet but I'm 
planning to my husband and I 

1091
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:31,600
actually have plans to watch it 
on Sunday after we get home from

1092
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,200
the race this weekend. 
I I see a bunch of posts being 

1093
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,900
made a better and I guess it was
just released here recently. 

1094
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,400
Yes, I watched it this past week
with, with Danny and Adam, Danny

1095
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,400
Vega and it was, it was 
interesting. 

1096
01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:48,600
I mean, we, all three are key 
do. 

1097
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:50,400
So it was, it was kind of like 
a. 

1098
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:53,700
It's just, I'd be interested to 
get your take on it when you do 

1099
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:56,800
watch it, because having heard 
what you said about everything 

1100
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,100
that you've done and have done 
in the past and what you're 

1101
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:00,700
doing. 
Now I think we got a pretty 

1102
01:02:00,700 --> 01:02:03,500
similar to approach to, you 
know, an attrition. 

1103
01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:06,600
So I'd be curious to get your 
feedback on an FDA after you 

1104
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,600
watch it. 
Yeah, I'm both. 

1105
01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:12,600
Looking forward to and cringing 
at the at the thought of 

1106
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,900
watching it. 
Well, I will say this, the 

1107
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:19,800
actual production quality was 
really good like the the, you 

1108
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,800
know, the way they put the film 
together was really impressive, 

1109
01:02:23,900 --> 01:02:28,300
the content, the actual content 
of the film was not so much but 

1110
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:31,500
the the production quality which
is kind of unfortunate because 

1111
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,900
since it was so well, polished, 
I feel like it's going to steal 

1112
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:38,700
a lot of people that direction 
and the there's just it's just 

1113
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:40,400
Lacks the science and the 
research, you know. 

1114
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,700
Well and that's why I'm cringing
because I'm thinking, you know, 

1115
01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:47,200
that it must have been a 
well-made documentary because 

1116
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,400
I'm seeing even people in my 
local area. 

1117
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,900
So there's an acquaintance that 
I have here. 

1118
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:58,200
He actually owns a Mexican 
restaurant in the area here and 

1119
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:05,400
he, he runs gosh, I think he 
just did a half Ironman and so, 

1120
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,100
you know, he's pretty active and
all of a sudden Sudden he's 

1121
01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:11,800
posting these pictures of his 
food, you know, and hashtagging 

1122
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,700
game changers and it's just 
obviously everything meatless. 

1123
01:03:15,700 --> 01:03:20,500
And I'm thinking know how on 
Earth this guy who I know has 

1124
01:03:20,500 --> 01:03:23,800
been a big meat eater. 
I mean, you know, he's Mexican 

1125
01:03:24,100 --> 01:03:28,600
which in and I am too, so I can 
say that, you know, we generally

1126
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,200
are not vegetarians and so now, 
you know here he's going vegan 

1127
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,600
after watching that documentary 
I mean, just like that and I 

1128
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,500
feel like it's happening with 
people. 

1129
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:41,800
So so Do I have to watch it? 
Yeah I feel like you know all of

1130
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,500
us in the keto space. 
I owe it to ourselves to watch 

1131
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:48,300
it because I feel like that just
gives us more leverage that we 

1132
01:03:48,300 --> 01:03:51,600
need to be educated on what 
everybody's doing and why 

1133
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,400
they're doing it. 
If we're educated. 

1134
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,200
Then we can have a greater 
impact because we know we can 

1135
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,400
become part of the conversation 
as opposed to just being this 

1136
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,300
ignorant biased and of the just 
shout slander from the 

1137
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:03,700
sidelines, you know. 
Like I want to be in the know 

1138
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:06,700
and I want to know why people 
are gravitating towards one 

1139
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:11,800
protocol over another But it 
was, I was unimpressed with the 

1140
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:16,900
research, it was just it was 
very deceptive, and kind of how 

1141
01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:20,300
they laid things out, and it was
just honestly bad information, a

1142
01:04:20,308 --> 01:04:22,900
lot of it. 
So now I wasn't too impressed 

1143
01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:25,800
with the quality of the 
information itself so hopefully 

1144
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,000
people will watch it. 
And recognized that there were 

1145
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,500
definitely some blind spots 
there that they need to do a 

1146
01:04:32,508 --> 01:04:35,100
little bit of homework on 
themselves and not just take it 

1147
01:04:35,100 --> 01:04:38,000
at face value. 
As fact, you know, yes, and I am

1148
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,000
in agreement. 
If you, I think that it's very 

1149
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,300
much our responsibility to make 
sure that we are, we do watch 

1150
01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:46,400
these things because, you know, 
because I am going to have 

1151
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,200
clients, which I'm surprised I 
haven't yet. 

1152
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,300
But I am going to have clients, 
come to me and say, hey, how 

1153
01:04:51,300 --> 01:04:53,600
about that, you know, game 
changers? 

1154
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:56,300
And I need to be able to say 
more than. 

1155
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,600
Oh, just don't listen to that. 
Yeah, definitely definitely what

1156
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,000
Sonia? 
I would sit here and talk to you

1157
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,700
all day long, but I've already 
taken up over an hour of your 

1158
01:05:04,707 --> 01:05:06,900
time. 
Will definitely do it again 

1159
01:05:06,900 --> 01:05:09,200
though. 
I'm like I said, I'm In to 

1160
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,900
follow along and see what you're
doing and why? 

1161
01:05:11,900 --> 01:05:13,600
Because I respect everything, 
you said this far. 

1162
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,400
And I feel like we do have a 
pretty similar approach to why 

1163
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,800
we're doing things, the way we 
are. 

1164
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,000
So I appreciate you taking the 
time to talk with me. 

1165
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,500
Yeah, I have very much enjoyed 
this. 

1166
01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:26,300
And would love to talk again, 
100%. 

1167
01:05:26,300 --> 01:05:29,100
Well, where can people go to 
find out more about you and 

1168
01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:30,900
learn something? 
Oh, yes. 

1169
01:05:30,900 --> 01:05:33,900
And actually, before I give that
information, let me also say 

1170
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:37,400
that I'm ready to be your first 
wholesale account for keto 

1171
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,300
bricks, when you guys are ready.
Oh, well, that's, that's awesome

1172
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:42,200
news. 
We're actually working on 

1173
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,100
getting all that set up. 
Right now, we're trying to get 

1174
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:48,600
some packaging finalize that 
right now, our packaging, we've 

1175
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,900
had multiple stages in changing 
our packaging, where those 

1176
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:53,400
stand-up pouches which were 
great but they're hard to open. 

1177
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,400
They're just not, they don't 
look professional. 

1178
01:05:56,100 --> 01:05:58,900
So we've transitioned from that 
to this equipment, that we have 

1179
01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:03,900
now that puts him in those, you 
know, silver they're called it's

1180
01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:05,600
called a flow rapper. 
So basically flow wrapped 

1181
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,000
package but then we're going to 
get custom packaging on top of 

1182
01:06:08,008 --> 01:06:10,200
that. 
So that the The film itself is 

1183
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:14,200
custom and once we have that, 
then we can start reaching out 

1184
01:06:14,207 --> 01:06:16,800
and trying to, you know, get on 
store shelves and do wholesale 

1185
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,200
if that's the direction we want 
to take things. 

1186
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,700
But yeah, that that's in the 
works as we speak. 

1187
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:21,900
Awesome. 
Awesome. 

1188
01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:23,600
Look forward to it. 
Yeah. 

1189
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,300
So you can find me at my website
which is pretty easy. 

1190
01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:32,500
It's Tanya Pennington.com and 
also my Instagram account is 

1191
01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:34,100
Tonya. 
Got Pennington. 

1192
01:06:34,900 --> 01:06:37,800
I will certainly get to those 
and Tony again, I really 

1193
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,600
appreciate you taking time Time.
If there's ever anything I can 

1194
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,100
do by all means, shoot me a 
email. 

1195
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:44,800
Let me know and we'll make it 
happen. 

1196
01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:47,200
Awesome, sounds good. 
It's been great talking to you 

1197
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:49,300
likewise. 
Likewise take care.