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What's going on is in gents, 
Robert Sykes, Keto savage.com. 

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Today I've got special guest, 
repeat guest Colt Milton. 

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He's a good friend of mine, 
actually have had him on the 

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podcast several times and I met 
him for the first time in person

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this past month as we were 
driving through Montana to meet 

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up with Crystal's family. 
So we got to work out with them 

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and we just got to like hang out
and interact Facetoface, which 

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was super awesome. 
Wanted to get him back on the 

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podcast and talk about his guest
posing experience that he just 

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recently did, plus dive into 
some of his running endeavors 

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for endurance running and then 
also some of his prep endeavors 

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for future competition. 
So always a pleasure chatting 

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with Colt. 
He's a great guy, a great friend

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and a great guest on the show. 
Got no doubt that he will take 

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something from it. 
So that further ado sit back, 

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relax, enjoy the podcast with 
Colt Milton 

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and we are live Colt Milton. 
How are you brother? 

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You an absolutely incredible 
brother cuz talking to you, man.

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Glad to hear, man. 
I got the pleasure of seeing you

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and meet you face to face for 
the first time. 

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What was that? 
About a month ago now I guess. 

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Yeah, except the pleasure was 
all definitely mine though. 

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It was good both ways, man. 
It was good both ways we've 

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known each other for now for 
shoot, man, I don't know. 

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Probably 2 years I guess. 
No, no. 

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Of each other for. 
Two years. 

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Something, yeah, I've I've not 
not to be weird. 

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I've known you a lot longer than
you've known me, that's for 

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sure. 
Hey, well, it's it's been all 

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all good in Sunshine and Rainbow
since we we met for sure when we

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when I was driving through. 
Man, we've been traveling so 

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much. 
We're all kind of running 

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together in my mind. 
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meet up with Crystal's family, I
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And then we stopped by your 
place in Montana because you 

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recently relocated out there, 
which is beautiful country by 

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the way. 
And we got to work at him and it

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was good, man. 
It was good. 

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Good meeting you face to face, 
good scene interacting with you 

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and I get getting some lift in 
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Yeah, it was a long time ago, 
man. 

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It was, it was a dream. 
Coming to really was. 

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I mean, your podcast got me 
through the pandemic, and I just

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learned so much from your books,
from everybody that you've had 

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on your show and from all of 
your experiences and following 

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on you on Instagram for so long,
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To be able to have that first 
talk a while ago was an amazing 

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experience and I'm just glad to 
be part of the Keto Brick family

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in a way. 
Hey, we are happy to have you as

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part of the family, man. 
And I have prompts to you too, 

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man. 
You you're doing all this 

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training in your in your own 
home facility there, which I'd 

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had the pleasure of training 
with you at and like people. 

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I get. 
I get all these comments all the

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time about people that have very
minimal setups and they just 

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find excuses as to why they 
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And you've got like you. 
You've got like one of those 

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sheds for people. 
I'm trying to paint a visual 

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here. 
You've got one of those sheds 

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that you can pick up at like 
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couple 1000 bucks. 
It's probably like 10 feet long,

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8 feet wide, something super 
small, and you've got all of 

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your equipment packed in there. 
Your mom painted it up, made it 

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look super savage, and you're 
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of that little bitty shed and 
you're not making any excuses. 

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So hats off to you there, man. 
Thanks bro. 

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Yeah, I guess you can say that 
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But at this point, hey, it's 
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Like that's all you need. 
Like for the past, I get when we

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moved to the Bryant location, we
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We put all of our equipment in 
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All we had was dumbbells, some 
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adjustable bench. 
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attachment set up and that's 
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I've got a squat and rack as 
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I've trained with for the past 
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like I've been missing out 
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Like if I'm traveling, I'll go 
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and stuff, but I've pretty much 
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some super simple minor cable 
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I've ever felt like I needed. 
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need. 
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get is or most annoying 
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I guess I should say is I wanted
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machine was taken. 
I wanted to do this machine, 

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this exercise, but this machine 
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And so that's why I was in the 
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done. 
I'm like, Oh my gosh, yeah, but 

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like, you don't need to. 
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stick to a specific training 
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a certain extended period of 
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You need to experiment with 
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your body and always give your 
muscles a reason to guess and to

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give me a stimulus so that they 
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agreement. 
I'd kind of like to talk about 

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training and modalities for the 
first part of this podcast 

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because I feel like I kind of 
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component of like a lot of 
people kind of me with training 

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questions. 
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with my training. 
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bunch of information about 
training that because I'm trying

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to hide anything but because 
it's all super simple and I feel

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like it's pretty rudimentary. 
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like you've got a great handle 
on as well you you have, you 

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make really detailed training 
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which are always posted on 
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And you, you excel in that 
department like you find it very

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fascinating. 
You you dive deep into the 

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studies on training modalities 
and you're constantly trying new

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things. 
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with the skull bells. 
You've got your own patented 

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dumbbell technology. 
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peel the curtain back on your 
love and passion for training to

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start this conversation. 
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Passion and love can for 
training could be, I'm going to 

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quote 1st Corinthians 619 
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Do you not know that your body 
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Spirit who is in you whom you 
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You are not your own or you were
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Therefore, glorify God in your 
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Personally, this is just where 
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bodybuilding happens happens to 
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But we believe that the body is 
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it's not something that's really
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So we believe that we need to be
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Our goal is to encourage those 
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looking for answers to life to 
for motivation, to get past the 

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times that are hard. 
Is to, is to, is to, is to look,

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is to look deeper than what's 
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And that's something that I 
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lot of credit for. 
Actually going through my last 

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competition season, I remember 
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whenever your life is kind of 
going crazy or you're feeling 

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overwhelmed, which competing can
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songs. 
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So I. 
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then Psalm 119 kind of just got 
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scriptures altogether. 
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That's been a big part of of our
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have been the most impactful, so
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passionate about sharing. 
I love that man. 

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I love that. 
I feel like regardless of one's,

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you know, stance on 
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if you simply view your body as 
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wrong. 
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absolutely right. 
And thinking that it's not our 

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own necessarily. 
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tangible, like as you age, like 
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you got elderly parents or 
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downfalls and poor health often 
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to live your life to the fullest
because you're often taking care

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of them, which is I think is a 
is an honor. 

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Like I'm excited to have that 
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folks, but I want to live a life
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self-sufficient. 
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aren't because they're both very
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those around you. 
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healthy as you can because you 
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livelihood. 
You want to be self-sufficient. 

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You don't want to be decrepit as
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You want to make sure that 
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possibly can to bring the most 
value you possibly can into this

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world. 
And you can't do that if you're 

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crippled. 
Especially. 100% And you have 

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the obligation if you have the 
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Because knowledge isn't wisdom 
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That's all wisdom is, is 
knowledge once it's applied. 

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And if you know right from 
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versus unhealthy foods, it's not
rocket science and you're not 

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setting that example in a loving
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that's bad stewardship over that
gift that you have to be able to

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share somebody else 100%, man. 
I mean you've only got 1 body 

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and you talk to anybody that's 
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made it in life. 
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made it in the financial realm 
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of their life. 
But they've they've sacrificed 

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their health in doing so. 
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probably every situation where 
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that they haven't taken care of 
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They may have all the riches in 
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bank account, but if they can't,
you know, move throughout their 

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day-to-day without pain, then 
they're not even able to 

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capitalize on all that wealth 
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So taking care of your body 
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foremost a. 100% and if it's if 
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this is, I don't think there's 
any doctrine that you can 

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necessarily build off of this. 
But this is just my opinion. 

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I think if it's a temple, I 
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on top of that. 
So 100%, man. 

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Well, Speaking of that, you've 
got that component dialed in. 

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I mean you are aesthetic as they
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You've got the you get the right
proportions the symmetry. 

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You got all the classic pose 
styled in we were we were going 

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through some classic poses when 
I was there and hell, I don't 

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even know all the classic poses 
near as well as you do. 

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You get you get that part of the
sport you know perfected. 

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So hats off to you there, man. 
Thanks so much. 

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It's it's the it's my favorite 
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But it's kind of my way of 
overcompensating for all my weak

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points too though, because. 
Us longer guys with the longer 

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femurs, we can tend to not have 
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Like, no offense, but you 
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better at achieving. 
Typically speaking, whenever 

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whenever I'm in an overall, I 
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guy or the lightweight guy. 
Always. 

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Even if I even if I win the 
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But I was just like, OK, if I'm 
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what's like the least way that I
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I'm going to make myself look 
taller and bigger, so that was 

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my entire goal. 
Hey, no, it worked, man. 

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It worked. 
You out angled me in that 

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lighting for sure. 
You've got the size and the 

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shape, but you've also got the. 
Practice in that lighting every 

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single day? 
Yeah, that's true. 

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You've got that advantage over 
me as well. 

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I'm starting to work on the 
posing, though. 

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I'm getting to the point in my 
prep where, like, I've got to 

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get my routine dialed in and I'm
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I'm working with The Posing 
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actually, so I'm having her kind
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super excited about that. 
You see that post that made on 

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Instagram earlier today? 
No, I did not. 

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You gotta check that out when 
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I'm, I'm getting, I'm getting 
close, man. 

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I'm getting close. 
I can pull it up. 

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Right now my I'm getting into 
the freaky status of Prep, which

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is exciting because it's like 
you start. 

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This is what the Post is all 
about. 

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You start going more inward, 
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the prep. 
And I love it, man. 

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This is where all that deep 
psychological work gets gets 

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taken care of. 
I'm watching it right now. 

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It's, you know, you know who you
kind of remind me of is Benny 

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Mobley. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, Do you know who? 
You know who? 

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Benny Mobley is yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, we just had them on 

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our show, actually. 
That was our last episode that 

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we published. 
But you so you kind of started 

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off in like some classic poses 
and then you're hitting more of 

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like what I see the heavyweight 
natural guys doing. 

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Yeah, I'm trying to throw a 
little bit of mix of everything.

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There's some classic poses, some
some more contemporary poses. 

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Just kind of showcase all the 
strong points and hide the weak 

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points, you know, as they say. 
You you are standing so full, 

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man. 
I mean, like you're you're as 

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dice as I remember you being, 
but wow, I can't. 

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I can't believe you how well 
you're holding. 

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Well, I mean, I can't. 
I can't believe it cuz I know 

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your diet. 
What's crazy is I haven't 

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introduced refeeds yet. 
Like, I'm still just north of 

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2000 calories, but I haven't 
introduced any refeeds yet, and 

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I haven't even started dropping 
protein yet. 

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Once I start doing that, it's 
really gonna get freaky. 

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Wow. 
Yeah, that's that's one of the 

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biggest things I learned over 
the last three weeks to excuse 

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me the last three months was 
dropping protein versus a 

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dropping fat. 
It all things being equal, do 

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you think that it feels 10 times
better dropping protein instead 

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and and keeping your fats like? 
On paper, what most people would

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consider to be very, very high. 
Yeah, I mean on paper like this 

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week, next week will probably 
the last week that I increased 

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protein and that will put me at 
about 55% of my total calories 

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coming from dietary fat. 
So still a majority fat intake. 

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Now on a gram to gram basis, my 
protein grams are higher than my

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fat grams at the moment. 
Now once I start dropping 

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protein, that'll even out more, 
but still majority of my cars 

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are coming from fat. 
I can't imagine doing a prep 

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anymore in which fat does not 
make up the majority of my 

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caloric load. 
That would just feel utterly 

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miserable. 
Yeah, and both of them still 

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feel 10 times better than if I 
have carbs. 

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Yeah, for. 
Sure to pick one of the other it

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would be it would be that. 
But having done both of them, 

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now keeping the fats high, it's 
amazing how how much fat you can

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get away with. 
If your insulin levels are very,

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very low throughout the day, 
yeah, I mean, I could totally 

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get the argument of like the 
law. 

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The loss of thermodynamics still
totally apply to me. 

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And I recognize obviously that 
fat has a higher caloric load 

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per gram, less thermic effective
food than protein obviously. 

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But when you look at it from a 
compositional standpoint, from 

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how you feel from a mental 
acuity standpoint, from a 

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hormonal regulation standpoint, 
like, I just feel like this is 

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the smoothest prep I've ever 
done by far, no questions asked.

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And I I don't even feel like I'm
going to prep man. 

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Like this makes me, this makes 
wanting to stay in the prep seem

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easy and very compelling because
it it doesn't hurt at all. 

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But I recognize that's not what 
you would want to sustain 

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indefinitely, obviously. 
But this is how a Prep should be

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done because it's healthy, it's 
sustainable, it's totally 

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manageable. 
And I'm not like an asshole to 

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everybody around me because I'm 
not miserable. 

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Absolutely, but there's a lot 
larger emphasis on the hormonal 

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aspect of it. 
This is a more a meat based 

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approach is a more natural 
approach and so the so the goal 

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becomes less of eat as less as 
eat as little as possible and 

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expend as much energy as 
possible. 

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It becomes less of that being 
the focus and more the focus of 

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being. 
Let's do everything we can to 

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absolutely optimize hormones and
our digestion and our 

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relationships. 
They did a mind, they did a 

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study on mind pump that most 
people that your your 

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relationships are more impactful
to your health than exercise and

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nutrition combined. 
And I'm starting to see that you

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know, having kind of moved back 
semi close to where my parents 

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are located. 
Back from Portland to to to 

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Jolly at Montana, which is 
basically we're out in the 

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middle of nowhere, but we love, 
but we love it out here. 

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And just reconnecting with some 
of like our old friends from 

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church, our old family that we 
haven't seen in a long time. 

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I felt a lot more relaxed on 
this prep and I've had to do way

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less cardio and have been eating
way more food than ever before. 

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Yeah. 
And I mean like when you feel 

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good you're you're going to just
be more active throughout the 

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day. 
You're going to have a higher 

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neat expenditure, like 
everything's just better. 

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And I think you're absolutely 
right in doubling down those 

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relationships when you're in a 
prep. 

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Like if you're if you're 
starting to become short with 

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all those that are close to you,
then it wears really heavily on 

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them as well. 
And one of my main goals with 

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this prep was to not let 
Crystal, or anybody else for 

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that matter, point to my prep 
and say, Oh yeah, he's in a prep

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right now. 
Excuse him, because I used to be

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that guy, man. 
I used to be that guy that 

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nobody wanted to approach, and I
don't want to be that guy 

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anymore. 
And you just have to make that 

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mental shift just as you make 
that shift of okay. 

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I'm not going to deviate from my
macros. 

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I'm not going to deviate from my
training. 

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The on switch has been flipped. 
You got to make that mental 

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switch with regards to your 
relationships and how you 

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interact with people on the 
daytoday basis, because that 

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like it's not worth it to 
sacrifice all that just for a 

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plastic trophy. 
Like you need to ideally be able

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to do all these things in 
tandem, in unison, in harmony 

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with your life. 
Yeah, it's amazing what people 

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do for for for a trophy over 
training. 

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Too much cardio. 
I mean that kills your libido. 

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Like what is it like, Sorry if 
this is offensive to. 

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I mean what the heck, you just 
had a sex therapist on your on 

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your show so I don't think 
anybody can. 

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But like too much cardio will 
kill your libido. 

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So like if you. 
What sense does it make to smash

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yourself in the gym and then not
have the energy to do things 

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that, like, primal people really
should do, right? 

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Yeah, to optimize, to optimize 
or help it and everything else. 

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Hey, no joke though, man. 
My libido is definitely tanked. 

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My libido is not optimal right 
now, but I'm OK with that this 

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very finite period of time. 
Maybe you should get What's Her 

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name back again. 
Talk more about, yeah. 

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A buzzing thing, Yeah. 
Yeah, maybe that's what I need 

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to do, for sure. 
Honestly though, I think a lot 

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of it's just psychological. 
Like my hormones have have 

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dropped for sure, with me being 
sub 5%. 

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But honestly, like my head space
is just focused on other things 

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right now and that obviously is 
going to handle libido too. 

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It's just the chapter that I'm 
in, but I don't feel bad in this

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chapter. 
Like I'm embracing it and 

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enjoying it and I think that's 
the main thing. 

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Yeah, 100%. 
Talk to me about this, this 

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guest posing man. 
So when I was there, you were, 

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you were you had just done 
several shows and you had done 

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like a reverse that from there. 
But then you were kind of doing 

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like a little mini cut so to 
speak because you had a guest 

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posing session coming up for a 
competition. 

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How did that go down? 
Yeah. 

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So that started to date 109 days
ago, but it was actually a goal 

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from there to here because. 
You and I, after the last time 

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that we recorded, set a date for
a podcast for today. 

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So I was like, all right, that's
kind of around the same time as 

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the show. 
It'd be fun if I ate a Keto 

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brick every single, every single
day. 

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And so then I could talk about 
her, about how that went and 

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talk about the results and how 
much fun that was. 

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So yeah, I would say of the on 
the keto brick side of things 

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that my favorite flavor had to 
have been the blueberry woman. 

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I mean, they're they're all 
amazing, man. 

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I'll take a I'll take a keto 
break over anything else. 

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It's not meat based, but that 
blueberry one was bombed, 

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especially the texture I am. 
I'm happy to hear that. 

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Man. 
It's funny cuz like, I'm 

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obviously gonna sound biased 
being the owner of the company 

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and all, but when I'm in a prep,
especially when I'm in a 

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surplus, you know I love the 
bricks, then I'll eat 1:00 every

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single day then as well. 
But it's like, you know, I don't

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really look forward to, I mean I
look forward to it, but it's 

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like I'm just really looking 
forward to it. 

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Whereas when I'm going to prep 
like I am now and I'm in a 

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deficit man, the brick is like, 
oh, I I, I look forward to that 

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brick, man. 
I'm eating one meal a day right 

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now and I have the brick with 
the rest of my meal. 

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And I I cherish every bite of 
that brick. 

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And I've been this week I'm 
doing the the Belle's brownie 

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batter. 
Last week I did the PB Cup, but 

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they're all good. 
But like when I'm going to prep 

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the brick, like something about 
the texture, the flavor profile.

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Like I'm just man my mouse water
just thinking about it. 

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Yeah, and see, for me, it's the 
same. 

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For me, it's the same thing with
Skull Bells too. 

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In the gym, it's like, I'm not 
going to, if I go to a gym, I'm 

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not going to use another curl 
bar. 

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Curl curl bar. 
I make my own curl bar like I 

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could, I could do that. 
I could curl with the one at 

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home that has skulls on it. 
Yeah, man. 

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But even on the dietary 
standpoint too, though, it's 

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like no, I'm eating a keto 
brick. 

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This is this is the food that 
was made by a natural 

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bodybuilder for natural 
bodybuilders that use a 

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ketogenic diet like. 
I'm eating this every single 

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day. 
I got fricking those keto. 

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You guys put a keto brick 
sticker in every single 

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shipment. 
So like, we got a million of 

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those keto brick stickers and we
just don't know what to do with 

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them. 
So we got keto brick stickers 

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like everywhere, man. 
Like on the back of my phone, on

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the back of my headphone case, 
like on my bags and stuff. 

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And it just keeps letting again 
like yeah, no, like this is. 

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We're we're keto. 
We're on. 

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We're on Team Robert Sites for 
life. 

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Hey, man, I freaking love that. 
I love that. 

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And like, like I was saying 
about thermodynamics earlier, I 

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mean, obviously there's a lot of
calories in a whole brick, but 

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you should be consuming as many 
calories as you can effectively 

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get away with as you're cutting 
body fat. 

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And if you can, take the 
guesswork out of where those 

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calories are coming from and 
know with absolute certainty 

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that they're accurate, they're 
consistent. 

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They're hitting all your 
nutrient needs in tandem with 

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the meats that you're consuming.
It just one less thing to 

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consume mental bandwidth and a 
prep, and any fewer options for 

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decision fatigue the better. 
100%, yeah, the whole, the whole

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mindset of eat less, move more 
needs to go away. 

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Because when you optimize your 
hormones and if you can really 

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get your diet down if you can, 
if you can really mail it and 

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really master it and really be 
consistent with it, then. 

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That does 99% of the work for 
you, and the goal becomes 

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bodybuilding, not weight loss. 
We shouldn't think of this sport

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as a weight loss contest. 
You should think of it as 

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bodybuilding. 
And if you're going to eat less 

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and move more than, yeah, you're
just going to get smaller and 

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smaller, but you're going to 
lose a lot of fat and a lot of 

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muscle. 
So comparing. 

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So compare that to staying full 
and to optimizing your body so 

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that you're getting glycogen 
from your from your fat so that 

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you're full all the time and 
you're not. 

447
00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:42,100
Full and then flat and full and 
flat and full and flat like you 

448
00:22:42,260 --> 00:22:44,420
do with a high, with a high carb
approach. 

449
00:22:45,580 --> 00:22:47,780
I'm just yeah, I'm never. 
I'm never looking back, 

450
00:22:47,780 --> 00:22:49,260
especially after these last 
three months. 

451
00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:51,420
Awesome, man. 
So you've been in a brick every 

452
00:22:51,420 --> 00:22:53,780
single day for the last 104 
days. 

453
00:22:53,860 --> 00:22:57,060
Have you had any issues 
digestively speaking at all, or 

454
00:22:57,060 --> 00:22:58,220
do you feel like 1,000,000 
bucks? 

455
00:22:59,420 --> 00:23:01,300
Nope. 
And actually, I stay away from 

456
00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:02,620
the ones that have pea protein 
in them. 

457
00:23:02,620 --> 00:23:05,950
No offense, but just because. 
I would rather have meat based 

458
00:23:05,950 --> 00:23:09,150
protein and I do particularly 
well with whey protein, so I 

459
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:13,230
pretty much stick with those. 
But gosh man, the toasted 

460
00:23:13,230 --> 00:23:15,670
coconut almond one is balm. 
Like there's some days where I'm

461
00:23:15,670 --> 00:23:18,150
like, no, you know what this is 
a toasted coconut almond day. 

462
00:23:18,910 --> 00:23:20,310
Yeah. 
And then and the blueberry is 

463
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:23,230
plant based protein as well. 
So I mean some of those are 

464
00:23:23,230 --> 00:23:25,880
sprinkled in. 
And and they and they do fine. 

465
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,280
Yeah, I mean like I probably 
could. 

466
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,720
I probably couldn't tell you to 
be completely honest, how I feel

467
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,480
afterwards what kind of what 
kind of protein it was, if you 

468
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,480
like, if I did like a blind 
tasting or something. 

469
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,200
So certainly not certainly not a
rocket scientist or an expert 

470
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,800
there. 
But all of them feel great. 

471
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,920
I don't work out after them 
though. 

472
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,960
I'm just one of those guys that 
has to have that has to have a 

473
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,440
completely empty stomach to work
out. 

474
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,880
If I got anything in my stomach.
I don't care what it is, ain't 

475
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,740
happening, but I'm the same way.
I prefer to train fast as well. 

476
00:23:55,740 --> 00:23:58,020
I just feel better. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

477
00:23:58,020 --> 00:23:59,780
So I'll have it like earlier in 
the day. 

478
00:23:59,780 --> 00:24:03,420
That'll be my first meal. 
Or if I'm doing one meal a day, 

479
00:24:03,420 --> 00:24:04,860
then I'll just wait till night, 
whatever. 

480
00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:08,580
And just like have it with my 
beef and butter or whatever else

481
00:24:08,580 --> 00:24:11,460
it is at a meeting. 
But having it earlier in the 

482
00:24:11,460 --> 00:24:14,780
day, I find it to be very, very 
effective brain fuel. 

483
00:24:15,340 --> 00:24:17,340
So that's why I was. 
That's why I've been a big fan 

484
00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:20,740
of the eutropic one, because of 
the Lions made mushroom in it. 

485
00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:23,770
Very cool, very cool. 
One thing I've been doing 

486
00:24:23,770 --> 00:24:27,370
differently with this prep I I 
did this last prep too, but I 

487
00:24:27,370 --> 00:24:30,730
didn't compete last season, so I
I I won't even say it. 

488
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:35,690
But in years prior I would do a 
whole bunch of volume foods as 

489
00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:36,810
well. 
Like I would incorporate a lot 

490
00:24:36,810 --> 00:24:39,890
of the Miracle Rice, I would 
have a lot more vegetation, just

491
00:24:39,890 --> 00:24:43,370
a lot of relatively 
nutritionally void but high 

492
00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:46,930
volume, low calorie foods. 
Whereas this go around I'm not 

493
00:24:46,930 --> 00:24:50,070
doing that at all. 
Like, it's literally every 

494
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:54,150
single thing I consume is there 
for a specific nutrient profile 

495
00:24:54,150 --> 00:24:56,750
and purpose. 
No excessive volume. 

496
00:24:57,110 --> 00:25:02,150
And that's, interestingly 
enough, is significantly more 

497
00:25:02,150 --> 00:25:06,150
satiating than years prior, when
I would do three times as much 

498
00:25:06,150 --> 00:25:11,430
of volume than what I'm doing 
now, A. 100%, Yeah. 

499
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:14,070
So you've so you're doing like a
third of the amount of volume 

500
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:16,630
that you were when you used to 
compete. 

501
00:25:17,260 --> 00:25:18,780
Yeah, probably. 
I mean there are times where I 

502
00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:22,620
would literally buy miracle rice
by the wholesale, you know, 2 

503
00:25:22,620 --> 00:25:26,540
1/2 pounds sleeve and I would 
have an entire sleeve 2 1/2 

504
00:25:26,540 --> 00:25:30,380
pounds of Miracle rice with a 
meal which is just a ton of 

505
00:25:30,380 --> 00:25:33,620
volume. 
Whereas now I literally don't do

506
00:25:33,660 --> 00:25:37,900
anything that's high volume, low
Cal like I'm having the brick. 

507
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:41,620
And then like this week for 
instance, I'm having four whole 

508
00:25:41,620 --> 00:25:46,300
eggs with 250 grams of egg 
whites, 4 ounces of salmon and a

509
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:49,860
pound of venison, and that's 
hitting my macros on the nose. 

510
00:25:49,860 --> 00:25:54,020
And that is, I mean incredibly 
nutrient dense, but not really 

511
00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:55,580
high volume under the OMAT 
approach. 

512
00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:59,980
So like, no, no miracle rice, 
no, no, you know, mountains of 

513
00:25:59,980 --> 00:26:03,660
lettuce or anything like that. 
It's just simply high quality, 

514
00:26:03,660 --> 00:26:06,980
nutrient dense, low, relatively 
low volume foods. 

515
00:26:06,980 --> 00:26:10,260
My GI is better. 
My satiety through the day is 

516
00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:12,580
better. 
I think honestly a lot of what 

517
00:26:12,580 --> 00:26:16,780
was happening previously was 
that those high fiber foods were

518
00:26:16,780 --> 00:26:19,740
inhibiting the absorption of 
some of those nutrients. 

519
00:26:19,740 --> 00:26:23,820
So I was consuming more overall 
volume, but I wasn't absorbing 

520
00:26:23,820 --> 00:26:26,700
as much nutrition. 
So I feel like I'm just way 

521
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:30,620
better off for it now. 
Yeah, your body's not stupid. 

522
00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:33,100
Your body knows if it's getting 
the right nutrients or not. 

523
00:26:33,140 --> 00:26:36,580
And even if you're eating all 
that and then throwing a bunch 

524
00:26:36,580 --> 00:26:41,260
of calorie, excuse me, low 
calorie quote quote if we want 

525
00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:43,500
it, if we want to use it, if we 
want to talk about it that way. 

526
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,800
Lettuce, fiber and trying to add
more volume to it. 

527
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,400
Now your body has to go through 
way more work to digest that 

528
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,800
food that is more foreign than 
the nutrient dense food that you

529
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,520
just described. 
Like the eggs, the venison, even

530
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,280
the keto brick. 
And if and when you're consuming

531
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,240
those nutrient dense foods, 
great. 

532
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,640
But then you throw this storm on
top of it, and now your body has

533
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,770
to sort out. 
This mess that it doesn't really

534
00:27:13,770 --> 00:27:16,250
know to do it, so your body gets
confused and so that's why 

535
00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:18,810
you're going to be bloated and 
then you're going to be hungry 

536
00:27:18,810 --> 00:27:22,210
again a couple hours later. 
That throws off your satiety 

537
00:27:22,210 --> 00:27:25,970
signals 100%. 
Yeah, there's there's even 

538
00:27:25,970 --> 00:27:27,930
bodybuilders that will. 
I don't know if you've heard 

539
00:27:27,930 --> 00:27:29,570
these stories. 
There's people that will go to 

540
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:32,490
the extent of eating toilet 
paper because it's basically 

541
00:27:32,490 --> 00:27:36,050
just straight up fiber. 
Yeah, I do not want to be doing 

542
00:27:36,050 --> 00:27:37,690
that. 
I'll leave that for them. 

543
00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:41,020
I will leave that for them. 
I got to give you a shout out to

544
00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:44,220
man because I've been playing 
around with my electrolytes 

545
00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:49,180
quite a bit to see, like when 
I'm leaning out and I'm lower 

546
00:27:49,180 --> 00:27:53,300
calorie, lower body fat, my 
cravings for sodium tend to ramp

547
00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:56,180
up significantly. 
And I've been, I've been 

548
00:27:56,180 --> 00:27:59,300
tracking my sodium so that I can
get that dialed in as I get 

549
00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:02,420
closer and closer to these, you 
know, peak weeks and whatnot. 

550
00:28:02,420 --> 00:28:07,520
And I'm taking in about 15 grams
of sodium right now. 

551
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,200
And I'm no, I'm mostly using 
that Celtic salt that you hooked

552
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,440
me up with when I was there with
you. 

553
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,440
And that stuff is delicious. 
So I'll alternate between that 

554
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,000
and Redmond Real Salt. 
But that Celtic salt is just 

555
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,520
like something about that 
texture, man. 

556
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,440
Like, it is absolutely freaking 
flavorful. 

557
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,880
It's all about the texture. 
Yeah cuz the smoky part of it's 

558
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,640
kind of lame, but it has a real 
good texture. 

559
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,320
Kids love it, yeah. 
Yeah. 

560
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:33,120
But I've been, I've been doing 
literally 15 grams of sodium a 

561
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,600
day for the past little bit, and
that's a lot of sodium. 

562
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,480
I don't know what I need to 
figure out what my potassium is,

563
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,960
probably about half of that, but
lots of sodium and my body is 

564
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,800
just soaking it up, man, and I 
feel great. 

565
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,280
I don't have any issues with 
blood pressure or anything like 

566
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,480
that. 
So there's just so many, so many

567
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,080
presumptions about what is too 
much sodium, and it's all just 

568
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,120
context dependent. 
Yeah, 100%. 

569
00:28:58,670 --> 00:29:00,510
My, my cravings for sodium go up
to. 

570
00:29:00,510 --> 00:29:02,830
And there there's there's a lot 
of people that actually believe 

571
00:29:02,830 --> 00:29:06,910
in a carnivore diet that has no 
sodium in it, in it, and and 

572
00:29:06,910 --> 00:29:10,590
they swear that it's better for 
autoimmune issues and for joint 

573
00:29:10,590 --> 00:29:13,190
issues and stuff. 
And I'm just like, OK, all 

574
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:17,190
things being equal, I love salt 
and it's great for body 

575
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:19,750
composition manipulation too, 
because I don't know how you 

576
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:23,510
typically peak, but the way I'll
typically do it is if I if I'm 

577
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:25,950
going to be on YouTube or if I'm
going to like pop up or like 

578
00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:27,750
anything, you know, just like 
same thing. 

579
00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:32,730
I'll stop drinking water about 
for about 1/2 hour, pee twice, 

580
00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:37,570
and then I take a little bit of 
pelted sea salt, pink potassium 

581
00:29:37,570 --> 00:29:39,930
cave salt because it's got a one
to one sodium potassium ratio. 

582
00:29:40,170 --> 00:29:42,770
So I basically lit up on that 
and then pump for like 5 

583
00:29:42,770 --> 00:29:45,210
minutes. 
And then that's when my veins 

584
00:29:45,210 --> 00:29:48,570
just like pop out everywhere and
then breaking 10 minutes later, 

585
00:29:48,570 --> 00:29:50,450
they're gone again. 
Yeah. 

586
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:53,810
Now the sodium manipulation is 
is is key, but you don't have to

587
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:57,960
do like a sodium depletion like 
a lot of people do fall in 

588
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,400
traditional peak week protocol 
like that's not necessary. 

589
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,640
You know it's a complete sodium 
with the deplete water like all 

590
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,040
that is you know not recommended
just simply increasing sodium 

591
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,760
above baseline is all that you 
need and always staying 

592
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,560
hydrated. 
But yeah man, the sodium is is 

593
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,000
key. 
And I don't know like I'll I'll 

594
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,040
manipulate my seasonings quite a
bit as like a way to mix up the 

595
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,840
flavors and the different 
textures and flake sizes and 

596
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,840
types and some varieties of salt
that just that does that, does 

597
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,240
it for me, man, I love it. 
That's awesome. 

598
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,240
Yeah. 
My my wife is super into 

599
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,560
seasonings, but it's just not my
thing. 

600
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,040
I don't know. 
I just, I don't. 

601
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,800
I don't like them. 
I just, I just like. 

602
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,040
I just like the flavor of the 
beef. 

603
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,160
Well, the you mentioned this 
this demographic in the 

604
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,880
carnivore space that are 
advocates for removing all 

605
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,600
sodium, and I'm not really sure 
where that stems from. 

606
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,040
I think their notion is that if 
you're eating, you know, an 

607
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,800
ancestrally appropriate 
carnivore diet, you know, these 

608
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,140
animals weren't seeking out 
sodium like we are. 

609
00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:59,020
But at the same time they were 
getting a lot more sodium 

610
00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:02,860
naturally through the water, 
they were drinking, through salt

611
00:31:02,860 --> 00:31:06,900
licks, things of that nature and
that we aren't doing with our 

612
00:31:07,580 --> 00:31:10,780
demineralized water consumption 
and purification process. 

613
00:31:10,780 --> 00:31:14,140
So I don't think there's, and 
maybe I'm wrong, but I don't 

614
00:31:14,140 --> 00:31:16,940
think there's a super strong 
argument for advocating the 

615
00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:22,420
reduction of all sodium. 
No, I'm not aware of anything at

616
00:31:22,420 --> 00:31:26,060
all other than just makes. 
Kind of common sense that your 

617
00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:29,540
body is, you know, made to be 
able to adapt to this kind of 

618
00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:31,020
stuff. 
And so, yeah, if you take out 

619
00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:32,860
all the sodium, I mean, you'll 
probably be fine. 

620
00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:35,900
You'll probably live just fine. 
But is it optimal? 

621
00:31:36,420 --> 00:31:38,900
I don't know. 
I like myself, yeah, I like my 

622
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:41,300
salt as well. 
But again, man, back to that, 

623
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:43,180
that guest posing. 
How'd the guest posing go that 

624
00:31:43,180 --> 00:31:44,660
that's happened? 
It was. 

625
00:31:44,780 --> 00:31:46,900
You were when we were there to 
get a training together. 

626
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:50,460
You were how many weeks out from
that show that you were posing 

627
00:31:50,460 --> 00:31:53,230
at? 
I think I was like 4 weeks out 

628
00:31:53,310 --> 00:31:56,310
and so I had not because we had 
just moved, man. 

629
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:59,590
So like we had, we had like just
put that thing together like 

630
00:31:59,710 --> 00:32:01,750
right before you got there and 
were working out with us. 

631
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:03,910
And so we've been shooting all 
of our YouTube videos out of 

632
00:32:03,910 --> 00:32:08,910
there ever since. 
But during that amount of time 

633
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:10,800
I. 
Like sleep? 

634
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,600
Like, yeah, like right around 
there. 

635
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,040
My lower back was really 
starting to flare up. 

636
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,360
I used to have some herniated 
discs from doing way too many 

637
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,640
deadlifts and not taking my 
recovery seriously, and it 

638
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,080
catches up with you as you get 
older. 

639
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:28,400
So yeah, dealing with some 
herniated discs and then when 

640
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,400
you and I did those deadlifts, 
actually that's what really set 

641
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,410
it up. 
I know I felt. 

642
00:32:34,410 --> 00:32:36,170
I felt I felt I felt like such 
an idiot. 

643
00:32:36,170 --> 00:32:38,450
I was like, I don't know I think
I just got caught up in the 

644
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:39,370
moment. 
But I was lifting. 

645
00:32:39,570 --> 00:32:42,930
I was lifting a little bit more 
than I should have on my lower 

646
00:32:42,930 --> 00:32:45,770
back so I was like crap so 
lower. 

647
00:32:45,770 --> 00:32:48,930
So lower lower back was pretty 
much shot like I couldn't even. 

648
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:51,530
I I didn't even know if I was 
going to be able to guess pose. 

649
00:32:51,530 --> 00:32:55,610
I just was about to call Hiro. 
But we were so busy with still 

650
00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:59,410
getting settled in and with 
everything we have going on 

651
00:32:59,410 --> 00:33:01,840
business wise. 
And I was about to call the the 

652
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,800
show promoter and be like I 
don't know if I can do this. 

653
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,320
I might just like take my 
clothes off and do an abs and 

654
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,640
thighs and then go back and do 
the MC work or something but but

655
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,560
but but I just I I I started 
praying a lot. 

656
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,840
I just made sure that my diet 
was 100% clean so that I 

657
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,800
minimized all my inflammation at
all cost. 

658
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,840
I was Internet fasting maybe 1 
mill a day 2 ice baths a day. 

659
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,640
Just everything I could think of
to to. 

660
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,040
To be able to be able to move 
better and so yeah last couple 

661
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,280
days I put together I don't know
what what I guess the crowd said

662
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,200
and the judges said was a pretty
good housing routine. 

663
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,160
So it was it was a blast we 
made. 

664
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,720
It made a lot of fun. 
But I used the new version of 

665
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,600
the Zoo by the Scorpions. 
It's a really good song. 

666
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,000
It's like 10 times better than 
the original one and. 

667
00:33:55,150 --> 00:34:00,070
Yeah, yeah, so, so so walked out
curling the Skullbells Skull Bar

668
00:34:00,150 --> 00:34:03,830
and then basically went between 
getting the crowd to sing the 

669
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:07,750
lyrics and hyping everybody up, 
doing most muscular poses and 

670
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:09,150
then the classic ones and 
everything. 

671
00:34:09,150 --> 00:34:12,110
So yeah, it was it was fun, man.
It was it was just a it was just

672
00:34:12,110 --> 00:34:15,909
a blast to be able to to give 
and not go in with a competitive

673
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:18,989
mentality. 
It's two completely different, 

674
00:34:19,230 --> 00:34:20,870
what? 
Two completely different ways of

675
00:34:20,870 --> 00:34:23,989
thinking I'm a super nice guy if
I'm there promoting the show 

676
00:34:23,989 --> 00:34:25,760
and. 
Got clients this show or 

677
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,600
whatever. 
But like you don't want to be 

678
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,960
around me if I'm competing. 
So it's really hard to compete 

679
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,600
and coach. 
I've I've had multiple clients 

680
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,040
tell me that I'm a better coach 
if I'm not competing at the same

681
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,280
show. 
Because if I'm competing like 

682
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,639
I'm just a, I'm a I'm a jerk and
I'm winning at all costs, right.

683
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:44,639
I mean that's what you have to 
have and like that's kind of 

684
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,520
what you owe it. 
You owe it to yourself if you 

685
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,120
did the whole prep to finish 
strong in the win. 

686
00:34:50,170 --> 00:34:53,290
But to be able to to pose, to 
pose on stage and show the 

687
00:34:53,290 --> 00:34:56,810
artistic side of it and have fun
and be a part of the event but 

688
00:34:56,810 --> 00:35:00,210
not be judged, that was that was
that was actually really cool, 

689
00:35:00,210 --> 00:35:01,850
just a completely different 
train of thought. 

690
00:35:02,490 --> 00:35:04,290
And that was the first time 
you'd ever done that right? 

691
00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:07,450
Yeah, first time I'd ever guess 
pose nice. 

692
00:35:07,450 --> 00:35:10,490
Yeah, I would imagine going in 
without the stress of competing 

693
00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:13,610
and being judged and being in 
front of a panel of judges and 

694
00:35:13,610 --> 00:35:17,650
just go out there to have fun 
would be a massive relief and 

695
00:35:17,650 --> 00:35:21,380
you could just simply have fun 
with it, which is what the sport

696
00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:23,100
should be all about. 
Yep. 

697
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:26,140
And not having to get peeled to 
the absolute bone to. 

698
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:28,340
I'm like, all right, 
comparatively speaking. 

699
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:32,020
My physique now is a lot bigger 
and fuller and kind of more like

700
00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:35,620
golden era pumping iron kind of 
look is what I've been trying to

701
00:35:35,620 --> 00:35:39,420
make it look like, whereas 
before it was a shred fest and 

702
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:41,300
great. 
They told me I was the leanest 

703
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:43,740
athlete the entire show. 
My first show I'd ever done on a

704
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:48,180
ketogenic diet that was the NPC 
Northern Classic in 2022 in 

705
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:54,420
Federal Way, WA and and I was 
175 pounds the week of the show 

706
00:35:56,660 --> 00:36:01,020
and I'm $1.98 right now and I'm 
probably like about 5 or £10 

707
00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:02,780
above where I'd like where I'd 
like to compete at. 

708
00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:05,340
But I don't know. 
I got down to where I've seen, 

709
00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:07,300
like most other guest posers, be
at and. 

710
00:36:08,590 --> 00:36:10,630
And I wrote the show promoter 
was like, yeah, you're good in 

711
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:11,470
the bike. 
All right, great. 

712
00:36:12,350 --> 00:36:14,350
Yeah. 
No, I mean you got to, you got 

713
00:36:14,350 --> 00:36:17,670
to be able to like balance the 
different compositions. 

714
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:21,190
I mean, you can't stay at, you 
know, competitive stage 

715
00:36:21,350 --> 00:36:25,430
composition indefinitely, but to
be able to kind of flux between 

716
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:29,270
that, know what you're able to 
do to get there, know how to get

717
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:31,910
there, but then healthfully 
transition to a more manageable 

718
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:33,870
composition. 
But one that you're still 

719
00:36:33,870 --> 00:36:37,200
feeling really confident with, 
really proud of, like that's 

720
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,920
what's all about it. 
Like you don't want to operate 

721
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,720
on the fringe extremes at all 
times. 

722
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:44,840
Yeah. 
And then when you get down to 3%

723
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,840
body fat, it's just, it's not 
sustainable. 

724
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,240
And then you're just a jerk and 
you're forgetting people's names

725
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:53,000
and stuff and you gotta and you 
gotta sleep like 8 hours a day. 

726
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,040
It's just that ain't a way to 
live your life. 

727
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,000
That's not a like, yeah, that'll
get you the trophy, but I mean. 

728
00:37:01,110 --> 00:37:03,550
That's that's just not 
sustainable long term. 

729
00:37:03,550 --> 00:37:07,030
I think that you need to get to 
the point to where your to where

730
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:10,750
to where your body feels okay 
and like you can function every 

731
00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:14,670
day and that your your mental 
clarity is good and you're doing

732
00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:18,870
okay at your job and you're 
giving your family the time that

733
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:21,710
they deserve. 
And to be any leaner than that, 

734
00:37:22,350 --> 00:37:25,510
I just think it's selfish and 
not really realistic. 

735
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:29,550
Yeah, no, I totally agree ma'am.
You were also talking about 

736
00:37:29,550 --> 00:37:34,390
doing a lot more running and 
where does that stand? 

737
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:38,830
Are you gonna still pursue the 
endurance aspect or is that not 

738
00:37:38,830 --> 00:37:43,550
so much the priority right now? 
No, I am especially having just 

739
00:37:43,630 --> 00:37:47,340
healed from the. 
Plantar fasciitis and the stress

740
00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:49,500
fracture having dropped a master
press on it. 

741
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:52,180
The thing that you and I are 
dead lifting on, Yeah, that's I 

742
00:37:52,180 --> 00:37:54,460
thought I dropped on my foot. 
I think this is about my year 

743
00:37:54,460 --> 00:37:57,340
anniversary for that and you're 
totally healed up now, huh? 

744
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:02,620
Yeah, it looks a little goofy, 
looks a little different than my

745
00:38:02,620 --> 00:38:05,300
other foot, but it's it's 100% 
healed. 

746
00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:07,540
Very nice. 
Never thought, never thought it 

747
00:38:07,540 --> 00:38:08,860
would happen. 
So what? 

748
00:38:08,860 --> 00:38:09,860
What is the goal with the 
running? 

749
00:38:09,860 --> 00:38:13,460
Are you wanting to to do like 
marathons, Ultra marathons? 

750
00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:16,290
Like what is the the end goal 
there? 

751
00:38:16,810 --> 00:38:20,250
Yeah, the goal to start of the 
year was a marathon, and that is

752
00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:26,130
still the goal, but it's not 
going to come at the expense of 

753
00:38:26,210 --> 00:38:34,090
my OCD pro card. 
And my goal for that is July of 

754
00:38:34,090 --> 00:38:37,050
2026. 
That's what I'll be. 

755
00:38:37,090 --> 00:38:38,410
That's what I'll be competing 
next. 

756
00:38:38,570 --> 00:38:42,650
So you compete in 2026 in the 
OCB federation for that pro 

757
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:46,140
card. 
Are you going to run between now

758
00:38:46,140 --> 00:38:47,580
and then? 
You're gonna do marathons 

759
00:38:47,580 --> 00:38:50,940
between now and then, just not 
at the expense of the 

760
00:38:50,940 --> 00:38:54,980
competition. 
Well, they're taking a back seat

761
00:38:55,540 --> 00:39:02,380
to bodybuilding goals and that 
all kind of happened when I got 

762
00:39:02,380 --> 00:39:06,540
injured, cuz after that is when 
the stress fracture really 

763
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:10,290
fractured up because. 
I I just did way too much 

764
00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:12,690
training way too fast. 
I'm talking hour and a half 

765
00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:13,930
runs. 
I would have haven't been 

766
00:39:13,930 --> 00:39:16,490
tracking the amount of distance 
I've been running, but I've just

767
00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:19,450
been tracking the time and about
an hour and a half. 

768
00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:23,250
And I was doing that multiple 
times a week for a month 

769
00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:26,690
straight. 
And basically my my my legs got 

770
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:30,650
to the point to where my, excuse
me, both of my feet just got to 

771
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:34,090
the point to where they would 
feel like they're being stabbed.

772
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:37,690
A very, very sharp pain deep 
inside each of my feet. 

773
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:41,350
And so for that reason, I had to
take quite a significant time 

774
00:39:41,350 --> 00:39:45,150
off of running. 
And after having Bart K on our 

775
00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:47,830
show and Steven on our show and 
doing some consulting work with 

776
00:39:47,830 --> 00:39:52,150
them, I started realizing how 
much cardio was hurting my 

777
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:55,710
bodybuilding goals anyway. 
And after this guest posing 

778
00:39:55,710 --> 00:39:58,830
experience, I'm like, wow, like 
I came in way more muscular than

779
00:39:58,830 --> 00:40:00,870
I ever had before. 
Way more way fuller. 

780
00:40:01,230 --> 00:40:04,710
After having quit cardio, that 
was scary, quitting cardio. 

781
00:40:05,060 --> 00:40:07,660
Did not want to do that and I 
did not believe I would be able 

782
00:40:07,660 --> 00:40:11,820
to to stay lean. 
But here again, you take a step 

783
00:40:11,820 --> 00:40:13,260
back and look at the big 
picture. 

784
00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:16,420
It's 10 times easier to stay on 
your diet if your cardio is 

785
00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:18,980
reduced, if you're not in that 
high elevated heart rate all the

786
00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:21,540
time, and making your cortisol 
levels go through the roof. 

787
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:27,900
So having that part of my 
training kind of cleaned up and 

788
00:40:27,980 --> 00:40:31,780
being able to adhere to my diet 
better, I found this prep a lot 

789
00:40:31,780 --> 00:40:35,680
more enjoyable. 
So, so as far as cardiovascular 

790
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,640
training goes, if I can do a 
marathon this year, great. 

791
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,600
But in the meantime I'm taking 
my physique and my and my diet 

792
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,680
quite a bit more seriously. 
Nice. 

793
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,720
Yeah. 
I feel like like I like the 

794
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:55,320
headspace one has to get to to 
be an endurance runner. 

795
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,280
But from a strictly 
physiological standpoint, I do 

796
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,840
not think endurance running is. 
The best outlet for longevity, 

797
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,160
for health, for body 
composition, for anything. 

798
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,480
I think it's yeah, it for people
that do it and love it, you 

799
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,000
know, more power to you. 
I think it's a great outlet, but

800
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,800
I don't think that is the best 
way for anybody to reach or 

801
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,520
maintain optimal health by any 
means, right? 

802
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:25,840
Yeah. 
And we and we still and and my 

803
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,690
dog and I still go for one run 
every every every Sunday. 

804
00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:34,290
That's what we do every every 
Sunday is a rest day and we'll 

805
00:41:34,290 --> 00:41:37,610
go for about 15 minutes to an 
hour. 

806
00:41:37,890 --> 00:41:40,410
Nowhere. 
Nowhere, nowhere over that. 

807
00:41:40,810 --> 00:41:44,330
But it's in here. 
Again, I know it's not the best 

808
00:41:44,330 --> 00:41:47,730
cardio but to your point if it's
something that you love doing, I

809
00:41:47,730 --> 00:41:50,650
just love it, man. 
There's just nothing like going,

810
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:54,290
OK, we're going to go this time 
and just get lost. 

811
00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:56,330
And you get, you get some of the
deepest like prayer and 

812
00:41:56,330 --> 00:41:59,310
spiritual experiences when you, 
you know, don't have your, don't

813
00:41:59,310 --> 00:42:02,110
have, don't have your phone with
you, and this is and it's just 

814
00:42:02,110 --> 00:42:03,670
you and God and your dog and 
nature. 

815
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:06,950
Yeah, no, for sure, man. 
Like I I like the idea of 

816
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:09,950
running for preparation for 
hunting season. 

817
00:42:09,950 --> 00:42:12,470
Like when I go out in the 
mountains out West, like I'm 

818
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:16,310
carrying my rifle, you know, 
several layers of clothes, my 

819
00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:18,030
pack. 
If I get an animal that I got to

820
00:42:18,030 --> 00:42:22,750
pack it out, you know, I'm, I'm 
putting in 60 miles a week, you 

821
00:42:22,750 --> 00:42:24,910
know, through the mountains at 
high elevation, at high 

822
00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:27,190
elevation. 
So for that reason, running is a

823
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:29,590
great. 
You know, precursor to that. 

824
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:32,470
So for that reason I like it a 
lot. 

825
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:36,630
I think it's very applicable 
training, but I I just, I 

826
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:39,750
preferred the actual act of 
hunting out in the mountains 

827
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:42,830
more so than the actual act of 
running in preparation to hunt 

828
00:42:42,830 --> 00:42:43,990
out in the mountains. 
If that makes sense. 

829
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:48,190
Totally 100%. 
But I think it's, I think it's 

830
00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:50,030
great. 
I feel like anybody at any point

831
00:42:50,030 --> 00:42:52,030
in time should be able to stop 
whatever they're doing and just 

832
00:42:52,310 --> 00:42:56,870
pick up and run and run like 
anybody should be able to run a 

833
00:42:56,870 --> 00:43:00,740
mile or two. 
On a whim and just be able to 

834
00:43:00,740 --> 00:43:03,420
function as a human, human being
to do that, like, I think that 

835
00:43:03,420 --> 00:43:04,860
should be a prerequisite, so to 
speak. 

836
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:11,300
But I don't think that that's 
necessary to run significant 

837
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:12,980
distances from a health 
standpoint. 

838
00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:15,660
Like when I look at people that 
are struggling with body 

839
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:18,100
composition, they just become 
slaves to the treadmill. 

840
00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:21,300
You know that that's probably 
the least effective way to 

841
00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:23,700
improve body composition. 
Just spend countless hours on a 

842
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:25,970
treadmill every single day. 
You know, not paying any 

843
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:29,290
attention to resistance training
or diet or other forms of 

844
00:43:29,290 --> 00:43:32,730
cardiovascular activity. 
They just simply, mindlessly 

845
00:43:32,730 --> 00:43:35,490
slog miles out on a treadmill. 
That's just not really. 

846
00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:38,810
Not really the best means to an 
end. 

847
00:43:39,730 --> 00:43:42,010
Yep, Kills your kill, kills your
hormones. 

848
00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:46,170
It ramps up your appetite and it
makes you lose numbers on the 

849
00:43:46,170 --> 00:43:48,770
scale. 
But you're faking yourself out. 

850
00:43:48,770 --> 00:43:51,570
You're losing a lot of fat and 
you're losing a lot of muscle. 

851
00:43:51,770 --> 00:43:53,570
And it's not, and it's not 
sustainable. 

852
00:43:53,570 --> 00:43:56,940
So great, you get to, you get to
your weight loss school at the 

853
00:43:56,940 --> 00:43:59,460
at the end of two months and 
then now what? 

854
00:43:59,820 --> 00:44:03,340
Now you have to reverse diet out
of that and the and the and the 

855
00:44:03,340 --> 00:44:05,740
look that you got isn't going to
be sustainable. 

856
00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:09,140
Yeah, totally. 
When I was doing my 2020 prep 

857
00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:12,620
during COVID, all the gyms were 
closed, so I couldn't use a 

858
00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:15,140
steering master. 
So I was running as my form of 

859
00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:20,660
cardio, and I looked noticeably 
flatter throughout that prep 

860
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:23,850
than I do now and now. 
My cardio, like all I've done 

861
00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:27,890
this entire prep, is like the 
most I've done is 220 minutes 

862
00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:30,650
sessions a week. 
So a total of 40 minutes 

863
00:44:31,050 --> 00:44:34,090
throughout the course of a week 
broken into 220 minutes sessions

864
00:44:34,090 --> 00:44:37,410
on the Stairmaster, which is 
pretty minimal cardio as far as 

865
00:44:37,410 --> 00:44:39,770
cardio is concerned for most 
competitive athletes. 

866
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:43,610
And I think because my cardio is
so minimal, I'm able to keep 

867
00:44:43,610 --> 00:44:45,930
that fullness. 
I don't have near the fluid 

868
00:44:45,930 --> 00:44:49,290
retention and inflammation that 
comes the result of excessive 

869
00:44:49,290 --> 00:44:51,720
cardio. 
Yeah. 

870
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:54,400
When when when you were over 
here and I asked you how much 

871
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,880
cardio did and you said like 
basically nothing. 

872
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,560
I was like, that's why, like I I
wasn't even surprised. 

873
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,440
I was like, yeah, because I just
quit doing cardio too and I'm 

874
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,120
kind of feeling the exact same 
way. 

875
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,280
It just it scientifically 
speaking, yeah, I get it. 

876
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,800
OK, it burns fat, but it burns 
the licogen. 

877
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,720
OK, now your workouts suck and 
there's A and and there's a big 

878
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:16,680
picture that you got to factor 
everything in. 

879
00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:20,890
Yeah, 100%. 
Now that said, this weekend I'm 

880
00:45:20,890 --> 00:45:24,330
not going to be doing any 
running, but my folks are coming

881
00:45:24,330 --> 00:45:25,650
into town. 
We're going to be putting up a 

882
00:45:25,650 --> 00:45:27,930
fence around the perimeter of my
property. 

883
00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:32,930
So we're going to be digging 
posts, driving T posts, pouring 

884
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:36,690
concrete, like that's going to 
be an excessive caloric 

885
00:45:36,690 --> 00:45:39,890
expenditure and it's not going 
to entail any, you know, 

886
00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:42,450
structured running cardio 
whatsoever. 

887
00:45:42,450 --> 00:45:45,090
But I am. 
I'm curious to see how my body 

888
00:45:45,090 --> 00:45:46,370
feels throughout the end of 
that. 

889
00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:50,100
Absolutely. 
It'll be good. 

890
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:52,780
What's in the pipeline for you, 
man? 

891
00:45:52,780 --> 00:45:55,100
You've got you get the 
competition season pretty much 

892
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:57,140
knocked out. 
You had several shows this year.

893
00:45:57,380 --> 00:45:59,620
You had the guest posing. 
You get the goals to run a 

894
00:45:59,620 --> 00:46:03,140
marathon but not distract from 
the OCB pro card. 

895
00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:06,780
But you're not doing that until 
2026, so that's quite an 

896
00:46:06,780 --> 00:46:09,180
offseason, which is great. 
I think people need to hear 

897
00:46:09,180 --> 00:46:10,100
that. 
I just want to. 

898
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:12,050
Embellish that a little bit 
more. 

899
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:15,690
Like people need to take time 
off between shows, Especially as

900
00:46:15,690 --> 00:46:18,010
a natural athlete. 
There's no good that's going to 

901
00:46:18,010 --> 00:46:19,530
come from competing every single
year. 

902
00:46:19,850 --> 00:46:23,530
You know, taking two 3-4 years 
off in between shows is the way 

903
00:46:23,530 --> 00:46:26,450
to go, but what are you going to
do in that? 

904
00:46:26,570 --> 00:46:34,890
In that gap in July of 2025, the
goal is to repeat making the 

905
00:46:34,930 --> 00:46:38,730
open natural as much of A 
successes as it was first time 

906
00:46:38,730 --> 00:46:40,850
that I had ever helped in 
promoting A bodybuilding 

907
00:46:40,850 --> 00:46:43,890
competition. 
And it was, it was a ball. 

908
00:46:43,890 --> 00:46:47,370
We were just talking backstage 
that like my my client that was 

909
00:46:47,370 --> 00:46:50,650
there and the other hand handful
of guys and gals that that that 

910
00:46:50,650 --> 00:46:54,290
did the show. 
There were 12 competitors total 

911
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:58,530
and yet there were three people 
in each category and so 

912
00:46:58,530 --> 00:47:01,570
everybody was able to to compete
against somebody else. 

913
00:47:02,610 --> 00:47:04,930
We did something really, really 
different with the women's 

914
00:47:04,930 --> 00:47:10,630
categories. 
We did figure bikini and 

915
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:15,430
bodybuilding and that's it. 
We didn't do women's physique or

916
00:47:16,070 --> 00:47:18,950
Wellness. 
So there were three women's 

917
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:23,950
categories and three men's 
categories and it didn't, it 

918
00:47:23,950 --> 00:47:25,550
didn't even feel like a 
competition. 

919
00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:28,030
Everybody got first place, 
second place, third place. 

920
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:34,970
So no one had to be on stage by 
the by themself but it felt more

921
00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:36,530
like a family, more like a 
movement. 

922
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:40,010
That's what I love about the the
about the smaller natural shows.

923
00:47:40,010 --> 00:47:43,370
So having gone back and forth 
and and and done NPC and the 

924
00:47:43,370 --> 00:47:46,930
smaller natural shows drug 
tested within the with within 

925
00:47:46,930 --> 00:47:50,410
the NPC the the smaller natural 
shows. 

926
00:47:50,410 --> 00:47:53,890
There's just, you know the 
federations like NANBF and I 

927
00:47:53,890 --> 00:47:56,330
NBF, there's just like a 
camaraderie behind it and 

928
00:47:56,330 --> 00:47:59,050
everybody's got this health 
first approach. 

929
00:47:59,370 --> 00:48:01,260
And you see I see that in the 
MPC too. 

930
00:48:01,260 --> 00:48:05,740
But I I don't know, I I feel 
like it's more like like it's 

931
00:48:05,740 --> 00:48:09,340
like it's kind of more the 
passion and why everybody's 

932
00:48:09,340 --> 00:48:11,820
there at the at these small and 
natural shows. 

933
00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:15,740
So yeah, this one's not this one
was very strictly drug tested 

934
00:48:15,940 --> 00:48:21,060
and I think everybody passed and
let's see. 

935
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:25,700
Yeah. 
So listen, I'm sorry. 

936
00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:28,600
Were you gonna say something? 
What do you think of Wellness as

937
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,400
a category? 
Like that's a relatively new 

938
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,040
category that NPC started 
promoting, and you've seen a 

939
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,640
couple federations follow suit. 
What's your opinion of that in 

940
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,680
its totality? 
You know, I haven't gone into 

941
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,040
the Wellness category super 
deep, to be completely honest. 

942
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,200
My wife is she, she's straight 
up women's physique slash 

943
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,320
bodybuilding. 
Here again, I kind of think of 

944
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,880
women's physique and and women's
bodybuilding as being very 

945
00:48:53,920 --> 00:49:01,200
similar in natural bodybuilding.
And I I I've trained bikini, 

946
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,880
I've trained pretty much every 
other category besides Wellness,

947
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,360
and so I I just don't know a 
whole lot about it. 

948
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,280
I haven't had anybody ask me and
so I've just been focusing on 

949
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:11,800
everything else. 
Yeah. 

950
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,080
I I haven't had any competitors 
do that category either. 

951
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,640
So I haven't dove as deeply into
it as it probably should, but it

952
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,000
seems like there's becoming so 
many different categories now 

953
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,360
that it kind of. 
I don't know if it's a good or 

954
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,320
bad thing. 
I don't know if if having more 

955
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,840
categories gives people more 
outlets and that's a positive or

956
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:37,000
if it simply dilutes the the 
competitor class that's there on

957
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,440
stage. 
I'm not really sure which way 

958
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,760
it's leaning. 
Yeah. 

959
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,800
Everybody's entitled to their 
own opinion. 

960
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,120
And just my personal opinion is 
I think it's overwhelming. 

961
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,820
You know, it's like like I 
bring, I bring my mom to a 

962
00:49:51,820 --> 00:49:54,700
bodybuilding show or something 
And like trying to explain like 

963
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:59,420
the difference in the categories
is it's it's like I don't, I 

964
00:49:59,420 --> 00:50:00,820
don't even know how to explain 
it, you know? 

965
00:50:00,820 --> 00:50:03,540
And then she's like, well, why 
did why did this person get 

966
00:50:03,540 --> 00:50:06,340
first place in this category but
second place and that one is 

967
00:50:06,340 --> 00:50:09,660
like, well, because they're 
looking for bigger this or 

968
00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:12,980
bigger that or they want you to 
be harder, they want you to be, 

969
00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:14,860
they want you to be softer, 
whatever. 

970
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:19,700
Having 3 categories for for both
really simplified things. 

971
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:22,150
Yeah, yeah. 
I think that I think going 

972
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:23,950
simple just makes a lot more 
sense. 

973
00:50:23,950 --> 00:50:28,910
And when you've got people doing
multiple categories and they're 

974
00:50:28,910 --> 00:50:33,350
winning each category, that's 
kind of weird too, because it's 

975
00:50:33,350 --> 00:50:36,870
like you can't really optimize 
for a specific look if you're 

976
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:40,270
doing multiple categories. 
And for you to win all of them, 

977
00:50:40,270 --> 00:50:43,350
it's like, OK if the judge is 
just biased or? 

978
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:45,960
What's going on there? 
Like if there needs to truly be 

979
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,520
multiple different categories, 
there needs to be a defined look

980
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,560
and one competitor shouldn't be 
the top person in each of them. 

981
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,880
Yeah, I had 100% agree with 
that. 

982
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,280
So I don't know. 
It's interesting. 

983
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,400
There's definitely a lot, a lot 
going on in the sport. 

984
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,040
It's weird too, because you get 
the the natural federations and 

985
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,800
the the untested federations in 
like a bikini competitor at a 

986
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,080
NPC or IFBB league for sure 
would be. 

987
00:51:13,390 --> 00:51:17,110
Destructive in physique on a 
natural stage, you know, it's 

988
00:51:17,110 --> 00:51:22,870
like totally different look. 
Yep, 100%, Yeah, same. 

989
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:24,750
Yeah, same thing in men's 
categories too. 

990
00:51:25,590 --> 00:51:28,990
So, yeah, So to get back to your
your last question. 

991
00:51:29,830 --> 00:51:32,030
So yeah, my goal is just to 
guess pose at that again. 

992
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:35,350
And I just want my physique to 
be better than it was this year.

993
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:37,470
That's it. 
I don't care if it's a little 

994
00:51:37,470 --> 00:51:40,350
leaner, a little harder or a 
little, little, little better 

995
00:51:40,350 --> 00:51:41,550
balance. 
I was pretty happy with my 

996
00:51:41,550 --> 00:51:45,980
balance in my symmetry overall. 
So I don't know, just something 

997
00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:49,580
something to improve over last 
year and just kind of nice 

998
00:51:49,580 --> 00:51:51,500
knowing that not being judged 
here again. 

999
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:57,220
Yep, same thing in 2025. 
And then 22,026 is when you say 

1000
00:51:57,900 --> 00:51:59,740
okay heck with this, everybody 
back off. 

1001
00:52:00,580 --> 00:52:03,420
This is here. 
I'm becoming a pro but want to 

1002
00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:05,180
pay off. 
Just want to want to pay off 

1003
00:52:05,180 --> 00:52:08,940
some credit card debt and just, 
you know, have our kids be a 

1004
00:52:08,940 --> 00:52:12,560
little bit older and have some 
time to build up some more 

1005
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,760
muscle and just make sure that 
when you get it, we can focus on

1006
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,160
it and nail it. 
And that is which show in 2026. 

1007
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,560
I don't have a specific show 
yet. 

1008
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,400
Well, let me know which one it 
is and I'll plan on doing the 

1009
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,360
same show Okay. 
No, no, no, no. 

1010
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,360
I have to do a different one 
then. 

1011
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,120
No, wait, but you're already an 
LCD Pro, right? 

1012
00:52:32,580 --> 00:52:37,300
No, no, not OCB. 
So I'll be doing my first show 

1013
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:41,180
this year will be an OCB show, 
so I could become an OCB pro 

1014
00:52:41,180 --> 00:52:44,420
with that show, but that's not 
the one I'm peaking for. 

1015
00:52:44,420 --> 00:52:46,500
So we'll see what the other 
competitors look like there. 

1016
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:50,180
But all the other shows this 
year gonna be inbfw and BF? 

1017
00:52:51,620 --> 00:52:54,820
Okay. 
Well, as long as I as long. 

1018
00:52:54,980 --> 00:52:57,660
Hey, if I'm gonna be a pro, I 
wanna pick a show that you're 

1019
00:52:57,660 --> 00:53:01,670
not trying to bring your pro 
card at because that would 

1020
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:05,110
definitely shatter my odds of 
being able to accomplish. 

1021
00:53:05,110 --> 00:53:07,350
The No, man, We got to step on 
stage at the same time, bro. 

1022
00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:08,670
That's what That's what the 
people want. 

1023
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:10,990
That's what the people want, 
I'm. 

1024
00:53:11,950 --> 00:53:14,270
Trying to get all these people 
that are in the cuz like you 

1025
00:53:14,270 --> 00:53:17,190
look at if I lose you in the 
overall, I won't be able to live

1026
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:20,030
with myself. 
I mean, you look at like the 

1027
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:21,830
golden arrow body, but in kind 
of like you were describing 

1028
00:53:21,830 --> 00:53:24,750
earlier and all of these guys, 
like there was just so much 

1029
00:53:24,750 --> 00:53:26,350
camaraderie there. 
I mean, they'd all trained 

1030
00:53:26,350 --> 00:53:27,590
together. 
They don't go to the beach 

1031
00:53:27,590 --> 00:53:30,260
together. 
Like there was just a a friendly

1032
00:53:30,260 --> 00:53:32,860
vine there and it's like you 
don't really get that anymore it

1033
00:53:32,860 --> 00:53:34,820
seems. 
So I think we need to bring that

1034
00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:35,980
back. 
Like all these people that are 

1035
00:53:35,980 --> 00:53:39,340
in the ketogenic space that 
have, you know, endeavors of 

1036
00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:41,420
competing, we all need to be on 
the same page. 

1037
00:53:41,420 --> 00:53:43,700
Everybody's in the natural 
federations or whatever. 

1038
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:48,580
I wish to all come together and 
have like this collective, you 

1039
00:53:48,580 --> 00:53:51,180
know, camaraderie. 
I think that would be a massive 

1040
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:55,760
positive yeah absolutely. 
And that was the whole goal with

1041
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,800
the open natural too was in was 
so. 

1042
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,880
So Hairo Chang is the is the 
gentleman's name. 

1043
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,960
Have you ever heard of him Hairo
Chang oh he he's he's kind of 

1044
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,160
he's kind of a legend in the in 
in natural bodybuilding in the 

1045
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:12,640
in the Pacific Northwest. 
But he so he grew up in Columbia

1046
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,200
we've we've done three podcasts 
with him on on on our show and 

1047
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:21,280
so he talks a lot about like how
they used to do bodybuilding 

1048
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,890
shows back in back back in his 
day and when what the way that 

1049
00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:27,930
he grew up like they would do 
this on just like just like 

1050
00:54:28,090 --> 00:54:30,450
throw together basketball games 
on the weekend just like 

1051
00:54:30,450 --> 00:54:32,570
everybody would come together 
and then and then they would 

1052
00:54:32,570 --> 00:54:35,130
have a bodybuilding show and 
somebody and and and and 

1053
00:54:35,130 --> 00:54:36,650
somebody would win. 
I think they've had like a 

1054
00:54:36,650 --> 00:54:40,650
strength aspect of it too kind 
of like they used to it with Mr.

1055
00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:42,290
Universe right. 
How if there was a tie they 

1056
00:54:42,290 --> 00:54:44,290
would have they would do like a 
curling contest and see who 

1057
00:54:44,330 --> 00:54:48,810
could curl the most weight but 
but it was but it was it was a 

1058
00:54:48,810 --> 00:54:50,530
teamwork A camaraderie thing. 
It was. 

1059
00:54:50,530 --> 00:54:50,970
It was. 
It was. 

1060
00:54:50,970 --> 00:54:52,970
It was. 
It was a health first thing, not

1061
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,800
who's better than him? 
That's good, man. 

1062
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,000
I think, like, I think people 
get so much wrapped up in their 

1063
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,040
own ego with this sport that it 
becomes like this do or die 

1064
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,920
mentality. 
And there's certainly a place 

1065
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,240
for that. 
And I could totally get behind 

1066
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:08,520
that. 
But I feel like if you adopt 

1067
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,720
this philosophy of just, you 
know, friendly competitive 

1068
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:15,680
camaraderie, kind of like I said
earlier, like you, you 

1069
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,400
inherently want to be better 
than the person on stage, but 

1070
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,880
you want them to be the very 
best that they can be. 

1071
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,350
Because I mean. 
If you want to be the best, you 

1072
00:55:23,350 --> 00:55:25,430
got to beat the best. 
And I feel like if everybody is 

1073
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:28,430
collectively getting better, it 
just makes you better. 

1074
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:33,670
Yep, absolutely. 
So yeah, I would absolutely love

1075
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:36,750
to share the stage with you in 
2026. 

1076
00:55:36,790 --> 00:55:39,910
That would be incredible. 
But you'll have to keep in mind 

1077
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:42,230
I got, I got a big chip on my 
shoulder, man. 

1078
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:46,070
I've I've gotten second, third 
place a lot and come really 

1079
00:55:46,070 --> 00:55:48,230
close so many times and still 
haven't got it. 

1080
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:51,070
So definitely, definitely going 
to be out for blood. 

1081
00:55:51,390 --> 00:55:53,950
Well, 2026 may be a little 
earlier than I would want to 

1082
00:55:53,950 --> 00:55:56,150
step back on stage. 
So there may be that gap between

1083
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:58,990
us there, in which case you you 
won't be on stage and me, but 

1084
00:55:58,990 --> 00:56:01,630
we'll we'll definitely have to 
make that happen at some point 

1085
00:56:01,630 --> 00:56:06,010
for sure that or best case you 
get your pro card by then and 

1086
00:56:06,010 --> 00:56:08,130
then you're there as a pro and 
then I'm there and that's when I

1087
00:56:09,210 --> 00:56:10,730
become a pro. 
Hey, there you go. 

1088
00:56:10,930 --> 00:56:13,690
I'd be all about that as well. 
I'd be all about that, man. 

1089
00:56:14,490 --> 00:56:16,970
Well, awesome, Cole. 
I'm always excited to chat with 

1090
00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:18,290
you, brother. 
Always excited to figure out 

1091
00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:21,010
what you got going on and what's
in the pipeline, what's coming 

1092
00:56:21,010 --> 00:56:23,130
up as far as the business goes. 
Anything new and exciting there?

1093
00:56:24,140 --> 00:56:25,300
For sure. 
Yeah, we're going to be 

1094
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:28,500
launching our new underwear line
that is going to be called Skull

1095
00:56:28,500 --> 00:56:32,180
Bells Undies. 
So I think that you usually 

1096
00:56:32,220 --> 00:56:34,620
schedule your podcast quite a 
ways out in advance. 

1097
00:56:34,620 --> 00:56:37,260
So it might be out by the time 
that this one drops. 

1098
00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:42,980
But yeah, they are 100% cotton 
because if it if it's made with 

1099
00:56:42,980 --> 00:56:46,060
synthetic materials that can 
apparently take your 

1100
00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:47,980
testosterone levels when my 
clients told me that. 

1101
00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:50,540
So I was like, great, We'll go 
with cotton underwear. 

1102
00:56:50,540 --> 00:56:52,420
And so far, everybody's excited 
about the idea. 

1103
00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:54,650
So skull bells undies? 
Undies. 

1104
00:56:55,570 --> 00:56:56,930
Those are the ones that you're 
typically wearing. 

1105
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:59,210
And all your Instagram posts? 
Your skimpy underwear. 

1106
00:56:59,930 --> 00:57:02,850
Oh, Yep, Yep, that's about that 
skimpy they're classic. 

1107
00:57:02,970 --> 00:57:03,970
They're. 
Pretty skimpy, man. 

1108
00:57:03,970 --> 00:57:08,210
They're pretty skimpy. 
It depends if it's like that. 

1109
00:57:08,210 --> 00:57:11,570
Usually I'm pulling it up, 
pulling up a bit higher if we 

1110
00:57:11,570 --> 00:57:13,170
get. 
If we got like a glute pump or 

1111
00:57:13,170 --> 00:57:14,970
something, Yep. 
Well, I'm. 

1112
00:57:15,010 --> 00:57:16,810
I'm have to get some of those 
myself, man. 

1113
00:57:16,810 --> 00:57:18,290
I'll rock some school bill 
undies. 

1114
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:19,770
I'll rock the skimpy underwear 
with you. 

1115
00:57:20,730 --> 00:57:22,050
I'll send you. 
I'll send you a pair. 

1116
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:25,330
You'll like them nice, nice and 
when are those launched? 

1117
00:57:25,330 --> 00:57:27,010
Cuz they're a tentative release 
date yet? 

1118
00:57:28,130 --> 00:57:29,570
Nope. 
Just waiting to hear back from 

1119
00:57:29,570 --> 00:57:31,890
quotes from our suppliers. 
Nice. 

1120
00:57:31,890 --> 00:57:33,130
Very cool. 
That's exciting. 

1121
00:57:33,130 --> 00:57:35,890
What about anything on the Skull
Bells front? 

1122
00:57:35,890 --> 00:57:38,530
From a equipment standpoint, 
Yep. 

1123
00:57:38,570 --> 00:57:42,450
Working on straight bars. 
That's our next job. 

1124
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:46,250
Straight bar bells. 
So knock curl bars. 

1125
00:57:46,450 --> 00:57:50,210
Like, you can use them to curl 
depending on what kind of curl 

1126
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:51,610
you're doing. 
If you're doing like a drawing 

1127
00:57:51,610 --> 00:57:54,610
to curl, that's the one I'd like
to use to use a straight bar 

1128
00:57:54,610 --> 00:57:57,650
for. 
Otherwise, Yep, that's our next.

1129
00:57:57,810 --> 00:58:01,890
That's our next work order and 
still working on the cable 

1130
00:58:01,890 --> 00:58:03,770
attachments. 
So we got a couple of those in 

1131
00:58:03,770 --> 00:58:07,250
stock. 
Aside from Skull Bells, our new 

1132
00:58:07,250 --> 00:58:10,250
podcast is Carnivore Coaches 
Corner. 

1133
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,680
That's myself, Mark Ennis who is
my Co coach. 

1134
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,800
Kind of goes over everyone's 
meal plans with me, but more so 

1135
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,320
from a health and a hormonal 
standpoint, cuz that's where he 

1136
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,400
specializes in. 
And then Jonathan Griffiths, The

1137
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,040
three of us do this one together
and you were gonna get Jonathan 

1138
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,240
Griffiths from the UK on your 
show. 

1139
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,560
Yeah, yeah, we got it scheduled.
Heck yeah. 

1140
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,720
I can't wait until that one 
drops. 

1141
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,020
It's this is This is why I wish 
you podcast you you published 

1142
00:58:37,020 --> 00:58:38,900
your podcast a little bit 
earlier because then I'd be able

1143
00:58:38,900 --> 00:58:42,580
to listen to it sooner because I
would love to hear you guys talk

1144
00:58:42,580 --> 00:58:45,180
man. 
Yeah no that that guy is he is 

1145
00:58:45,220 --> 00:58:49,100
he is absolutely brilliant. 
So so the three of us have have 

1146
00:58:49,140 --> 00:58:51,100
have a show called Carnivore 
Coaches Corner. 

1147
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:54,860
I'm just pretty much on all 
podcast platforms, I think. 

1148
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:58,690
And then our show, we're still 
going strong after three years. 

1149
00:58:58,690 --> 00:59:01,410
Now we tend to focus more on 
faith, family and fitness. 

1150
00:59:01,450 --> 00:59:04,370
It's a podcast that you can 
listen to specifically when you 

1151
00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:07,290
work out, so we try to keep that
in mind. 

1152
00:59:07,290 --> 00:59:10,250
It's called the Super Set 
your-life.com Podcast. 

1153
00:59:10,810 --> 00:59:13,850
Love it man. 
Love it and prompts to you on 

1154
00:59:13,850 --> 00:59:18,090
the the equipment to I use your 
school bills rope attachment 

1155
00:59:18,090 --> 00:59:20,010
literally every single time I 
train. 

1156
00:59:20,380 --> 00:59:23,260
Usually for tricep work, but I 
use it for, honestly, lots of 

1157
00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:25,460
different movements and that 
thing feels great. 

1158
00:59:25,740 --> 00:59:28,100
I love that it's longer than the
standard rope. 

1159
00:59:28,180 --> 00:59:31,100
And I mean, it's honestly one of
my favorite pieces of equipment.

1160
00:59:32,260 --> 00:59:34,460
Thanks man. 
And you like to sit down when 

1161
00:59:34,460 --> 00:59:36,220
you do your tricep extensions, 
right? 

1162
00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:38,140
Yeah. 
Oftentimes, like I'll do like a 

1163
00:59:38,140 --> 00:59:42,620
skull crusher variation with the
rope and I'll put the the bench 

1164
00:59:42,620 --> 00:59:45,700
at like a very slight incline 
and that allows me to kind of 

1165
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:47,660
lock in and get more of a 
stretch on the long head of the 

1166
00:59:47,660 --> 00:59:51,380
tricep and that feels great. 
Doesn't really cause me any 

1167
00:59:51,380 --> 00:59:54,860
tendonitis whatsoever. 
And with those rope attachments 

1168
00:59:54,860 --> 00:59:57,020
that you make like it just it 
feels really good. 

1169
00:59:57,020 --> 00:59:59,620
So I just rock. 
That is one of my main tricep 

1170
00:59:59,620 --> 01:00:01,260
staples. 
Awesome. 

1171
01:00:01,420 --> 01:00:03,260
All right. 
Well, I gotta, I gotta try it 

1172
01:00:03,260 --> 01:00:04,260
that way because I see you do 
it. 

1173
01:00:04,260 --> 01:00:05,220
But I've never tried it that 
way. 

1174
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:07,420
So now I'm now I'm going to. 
Yeah, it's gonna have a shot. 

1175
01:00:08,140 --> 01:00:08,700
Yeah. 
Thanks. 

1176
01:00:08,860 --> 01:00:10,740
Give it a shot man. 
Awesome brother. 

1177
01:00:10,740 --> 01:00:13,340
Well, I will link out to all of 
your different websites, 

1178
01:00:13,340 --> 01:00:16,260
platforms, business endeavors. 
Make it easy for people to find 

1179
01:00:16,260 --> 01:00:18,960
you. 
And tell your wife I said Howdy.

1180
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,560
I appreciate the two of you and 
your entire family. 

1181
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,360
You kiddos more than you know, 
so keep doing what you're doing.

1182
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,240
Great seeing you in person the 
other day. 

1183
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,440
And if you ever need anything 
for me, man, you know how to get

1184
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,360
a hold of me. 
Oh man, just. 

1185
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,840
And I just had to say thank you.
Not just for your time here 

1186
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,320
right now but for but for even 
make. 

1187
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,640
I know it was out of your way 
for you guys to come stop and 

1188
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,080
see us. 
You didn't have to do that. 

1189
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,210
And it just meant it meant the 
absolute world it it really 

1190
01:00:45,210 --> 01:00:50,370
really did man every every 
single every every single client

1191
01:00:50,370 --> 01:00:56,050
situation lesson business lesson
that we talked about when it was

1192
01:00:56,050 --> 01:00:58,730
it was it was actually a blast 
just to be able to talk and not 

1193
01:00:58,730 --> 01:01:03,250
record anything for a change but
but but after you left man, I 

1194
01:01:03,250 --> 01:01:06,450
was I was I was writing that 
stuff down and Nah man, every 

1195
01:01:06,490 --> 01:01:09,610
every single word that you said.
It's just it's really impacted 

1196
01:01:09,610 --> 01:01:13,390
me and you know, helped it keeps
me, keeps me going every day, 

1197
01:01:13,390 --> 01:01:16,190
keeps me keep, you know, keeps, 
keeps, keeps the, keeps the 

1198
01:01:16,190 --> 01:01:18,590
dream right in front of me, so. 
That's all about man. 

1199
01:01:18,590 --> 01:01:22,270
Like I there's there's people 
that are in this space that are 

1200
01:01:22,270 --> 01:01:24,230
here for the right reasons. 
I want to be one of those 

1201
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:25,950
people. 
Like, it's all about the true 

1202
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:30,150
connections, like real people 
talking to real people, doing 

1203
01:01:30,310 --> 01:01:31,750
the right thing for the right 
reasons. 

1204
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:35,830
And you know, the Facetoface 
component is, in my opinion, far

1205
01:01:35,830 --> 01:01:38,430
superior than just as simple DM 
over Instagram. 

1206
01:01:38,430 --> 01:01:40,310
So anytime I can meet somebody 
in person. 

1207
01:01:40,650 --> 01:01:42,730
Shake a hand, be there in real 
life. 

1208
01:01:42,730 --> 01:01:43,930
I mean, that's that's what I 
want to do. 

1209
01:01:43,930 --> 01:01:46,210
So it was an honor and a 
pleasure to get to see y'all 

1210
01:01:46,450 --> 01:01:49,850
interact with y'all face to 
face, get a workout in and all 

1211
01:01:49,850 --> 01:01:51,970
that good stuff, man. 
So if you're ever in Arkansas, 

1212
01:01:52,130 --> 01:01:55,170
hit me up and we'll make it 
happen, brother, we will. 

1213
01:01:55,170 --> 01:01:56,650
Absolutely. 
We'll make it happen on these 

1214
01:01:56,690 --> 01:01:57,730
days. 
Sounds good. 

1215
01:01:57,730 --> 01:01:58,490
Cool. 
Take care man. 

1216
01:01:58,490 --> 01:02:00,210
Till next time. 
Alright. 

1217
01:02:00,210 --> 01:02:01,050
Thanks man. 
You too. 

1218
01:02:01,170 --> 01:02:01,490
Bye. 
Bye.