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All right, hello and welcome to 
another episode of old faces. 

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We are live from Orlando and 
splash Mocha 20 the last the 

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last day of 2024. 
I'm. 

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Glad that you had to think 
about. 

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That yeah, I was. 
Waiting. 

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Yeah, no, I don't. 
I'll be I'll be signing for. 

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Confirmation yes 20. 20 I'll be 
signing 2024 for the next couple

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of months, you know, so there's 
2 two things that we, we can 

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discuss today. 
Ality, how do you cultivate the 

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mindset to get the most out of 
this lifestyle? 

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And that'll be a conversation 
that, you know, the listener 

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Mocha, well, both lifestyle and 
Mocha, you know, mocha obviously

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presents different 
opportunities, but the lifestyle

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itself, we, we talk to people 
all time who have a challenge, 

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you know, coming into this space
and actually enjoying 

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themselves. 
So from a female standpoint, 

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that's one thing. 
And then we had another 

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interesting thing brought up 
yesterday where we talked about 

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being in the in this 
environment, being in the 

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lifestyle as a bull who's 
married. 

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Pause on that. 
But miss Mocha, you start first.

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We'll go into a little further 
than that because I actually had

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someone approached me last night
and asked me how I deal with our

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dynamic or how how she dealt 
with like him just playing and 

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me just being out and about by 
myself and so on and so forth. 

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Because if you got most people 
don't even know we're married 

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until they see us together. 
And this is we've actually been 

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together more here. 
I feel like you're being a 

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little clingy, but more here 
than more here than any moko, I 

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guess. 
Yeah, I guess so. 

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As the opposite, I will kind of 
like agree with you because I've

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seen the couples where I can 
tell you 2 are together but 

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you're really hot and I wouldn't
mind approaching you right? 

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But I don't know if that's OK 
with you. 

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As the wife. 
If that's OK. 

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Yeah. 
And I don't know, I'm a newbie. 

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I would grant that this is my 
first splash. 

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We've never been to a big event 
like this before and I don't 

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know how to handle that. 
So as the opposite angle, I've, 

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my husband's upstairs somewhere 
sleeping, he's got a migraine. 

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I don't know how to approach 
that. 

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So just as a we have the 
opposite dynamic. 

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That's something that we can 
talk about. 

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Well, him and I, I'll start off 
and then I'll go to what you 

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said. 
But him and I started off 

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playing separately, like we, I 
thought that was just what 

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everybody did. 
You just go out and fuck who you

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want to fuck and you come back 
and tell each other while you're

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riding his Dick. 
Like I just, he did some crazy 

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shit when you were first to get 
there. 

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I'm just kidding. 
But I just thought that was 

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normal until we went to, I think
trapeze in Atlanta. 

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So it's a swingers club. 
Nobody's from there. 

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It's a swing swingers club in 
Atlanta. 

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And I and always my own free 
spirit and always kind of do my 

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own thing. 
And he's just there watching to 

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make sure I'm safe and catch my 
clothes. 

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But you know, I was, I went in 
like balls to the wall because I

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just thought that's how 
everybody was. 

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And then everyone that kind of 
approached us like your wife's 

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kind of crazy, but she's I 
didn't even know people didn't 

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like me because I just was 
there. 

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I was happy to be there and be 
in that environment because I 

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feel like I'm so serious. 
I won't go too far off topic, 

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but I feel so serious in my 
vanilla life. 

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But that's like the only time 
that I could go in and I don't 

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give a fuck what anybody thinks.
Cut back. 

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Relax. 
Right. 

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Have a little Bunny. 
I don't want to hurt anybody's 

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feelings. 
I just want to be here and have 

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a good time. 
I don't want any drama. 

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If you have your drama, like 
cool, we're all going to have 

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it. 
We've definitely had ours. 

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But early on, a lot of it when 
we go to these place, go to 

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these events, it's it's 
different. 

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It's different because they know
she's my wife and they know that

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I play, but then they're 
watching her just go absolutely 

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balls to the wall. 
And in the beginning it was 

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honestly, a lot of women were 
just, I mean, jealous, jealous 

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because she was so free. 
They were they, they were 

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jealous of her freedom. 
They were jealous of her going 

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to a party and just taking her 
clothes off. 

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You know, they were jealous of 
her saying what she wanted, but 

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I thought unapologetically. 
Supposed to do like I just there

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was no like there was no guide 
that he read to me. 

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He just would tell me don't do 
this, you know, do that. 

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This is OK. 
That's not OK because he's been 

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in for way longer than I have. 
But it was I thought that's just

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what everybody did. 
Like this is a fun. 

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It's just like going to like a 
club when you're in your 20s. 

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Like you go, you get fucked up 
and you go home. 

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You know, you're like, damn, I 
shouldn't have done that. 

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But it was, they were fine, you 
know, like. 

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So that. 
I was the same way. 

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Like I was just kind of brought 
in and turned loose and said, 

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this is you're safe here, you're
free to do this here. 

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And so I was just like, let's 
let's do this. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, I, I had the same kind 

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of bringing into it of this is 
where you can do all of that, 

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right? 
There was a lot of coaching 

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before, but it was to my 
parameters, not to the 

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parameters of the people that 
she would encounter out there. 

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Because the problem is, is I 
never understand how you get 

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into a lifestyle and then 
restrict yourself within the 

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lifestyle. 
So she came into it like I 

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remember our first house party, 
the first house party we went 

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to, she went to rather not we 
she the 1st house party we went 

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to together. 
You know, she told her what kind

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of house party was. 
She goes in and literally she 

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strips naked and everybody's 
like like everybody's like, holy

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shit. 
Now this is a lifestyle party. 

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Everybody's like surprised as 
she stripped naked. 

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And then we kept going 
throughout the night. 

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There was a couple that she 
liked and she went to the wife 

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was like, Hey, you guys want to 
fuck? 

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And the lady was like, oh, thank
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Yes, like, yeah, we do. 
So we, we, we kicked it off. 

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And there were a lot of mixed 
feelings about her because she 

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was just. 
Her. 

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She. 
People thought we were fake that

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we've actually had people like 
tell us like there's no way you 

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guys relationship is really like
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Like, you know, I, I like people
actually stopped talking to us 

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and said I don't care. 
We. 

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Walked it off. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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But. 
Ironic. 

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But in this lifestyle, there's 
people that are so judgy. 

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You'd think that we'd be the 
least judgy, but there's still 

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that element. 
You know, it's so weird. 

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I think typically we are less 
judgy, but when you get somebody

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that is judging, they're they're
judging, yeah, not. 

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Being interrupted. 
You kind of said it in the 

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meeting yesterday. 
If you have issues with judging 

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people before the lifestyle, 
like he was saying you got swag 

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for the lifestyle, you have swag
in the lifestyle. 

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So if you sitting up here with 
all these insecurities before 

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you get in here, you can have 
them when you get here. 

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So don't think they're going to 
just stop at the door when you 

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get here. 
It's not like that. 

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So people bring their shit from 
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start not working for them. 
So when it that jealousy, the 

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other the connive and the the 
bitching and all of that stuff, 

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what they realizing that people 
are starting to separate from 

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them. 
And sometimes they wake up and 

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say, Hey, yo, let me do 
something different. 

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And then some of them just fall 
out of the lifestyle. 

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But then there are people who 
are just totally fake, who just 

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want to fit in to somewhere, 
anywhere, and aren't really 

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about all of it. 
And. 

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Then, and that's normal. 
Exactly. 

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That is normal. 
Right. 

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And any subset, there's people 
that are going to fake to fit in

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that group. 
Especially somebody like me 

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who's new to this environment, 
to this kind of group. 

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I am bisexual. 
Honestly, you 2 approached me 

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tonight. 
We're wrong. 

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But I could understand if you 
could feel like maybe I'm not 

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sincere in that, you know, I, I 
would get that because you don't

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know me and you don't know who I
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None of us really know who we 
are. 

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I mean, we're all executives or,
you know, teachers or what? 

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At cops. 
What? 

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I'm just naming off jobs outside
of this. 

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Yeah. 
And. 

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You spend time with them and you
talk to them and you get to know

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them even outside of the the 
lifestyle and the events and 

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all, you can get a feel for who 
they are, right? 

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As a person, right. 
But you've never met me before. 

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We haven't seen each other 
before. 

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We walked into this room. 
So I could understand if you 

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said, yeah, I don't know. 
I'm just not feeling that. 

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No, but now here's the thing. 
I think that the beauty of the 

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light of the lifestyle is that 
we we kind of we're kind of 

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moving in the same direction. 
But to to your point, what was 

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abnormal about her when we came 
to lifestyle is whenever you 

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walk into a place, everybody's 
wearing a mask, OK? 

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And if everybody's wearing a 
mask and one person walking 

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around without a mask on, 
everybody the fuck is going on 

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with that person? 
She was that person. 

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She wasn't pretentious. 
It was like, I see. 

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Exactly. 
What you're saying? 

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Yeah, she came in. 
Like a Wrecking Ball. 

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But but for her, it was. 
And this is the the thing that I

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talked to one of the ladies 
about earlier. 

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Yeah, because. 
They look weird. 

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That and in the lifestyle, one 
of the most common things is, is

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you'll meet women who they're 
intelligent, they got great 

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careers, They do all of these 
things. 

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And as soon as you meet them, 
the first thing they have to do 

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is establish to you that they're
smart. 

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I'm a this, I do this, I have 
all of these different things 

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because they don't want you to 
look at them like a piece of 

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ass. 
Every man in this building wants

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to be looked at like a piece of 
Dick. 

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All of us, like every last one 
of us. 

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So my. 
Recent play date that like came 

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over and I like when you call me
a slut, I want you to call me a 

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dirty whore. 
You don't. 

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I want you to call me that at 
Publix, but or Kroger or 

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whatever. 
But yeah, that's why when you 

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call me and I said it like one 
time he was like, Oh no, I'm not

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ever going to say that. 
And I was like, no, I like that.

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He was like, oh, like a term of 
endearment. 

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And I was like exactly. 
For me, I was like, I mean I 

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would try that on everybody. 
Some people don't like that, but

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I like it. 
But he was like, oh, I don't 

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want to be disrespectful. 
And I was like, I appreciate you

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not being disrespectful, but I 
like that. 

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But. 
But in this space, you can 

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disrespect. 
Yeah, I want you to be a little 

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disrespectful. 
But, but remember, that's not 

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disrespectful. 
It is. 

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It's not. 
It's not disrespectful. 

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So, you know, in every other 
aspect of my life, I'm. 

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Respectful if that's honoring 
what she wants, right? 

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Right. 
And that, that, yeah, because 

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that to me, that's an annoyance 
to me. 

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That's to me, it's a weak minded
guy. 

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You go into this space and she 
says it turns me on if you stick

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your finger in my butt or 
whatever it is now for you to 

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go. 
You know, I don't want to be, I 

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don't want to violate your butt 
hole because I respect it. 

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So shut the fuck up. 
Not if you don't want to put 

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your finger in there or if you 
are not turned on by saying a 

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thing, just say, well, that 
doesn't turn me off. 

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But I think that's too like fear
of the unknown, so absolutely. 

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So I'll that's a double edged 
sword. 

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Technically, yeah, but I think 
it's a fear of the unknown. 

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Just like people outside of this
speculate and make up things 

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about what lifestyle is because 
they've never experienced and 

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they don't know what it is like.
Not to be controversial, but the

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religion, I don't want to go 
there. 

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I mean, some people are 
religious. 

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We're not, we're not all 
religious, but you know, 

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religion, you don't understand 
every single religion. 

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So people are not going to. 
But because you don't 

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understand, you just read and 
Google and that's all you have 

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from that. 
So lifestyle people Google and 

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they assume that's what it is. 
So I think even with like newer 

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people, they're just getting 
into the lifestyle that they, 

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they don't know. 
So they think they're doing what

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they're supposed to. 
Or they went on HBO Max and 

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watched the swinger lifestyle. 
That's a crock of shit, right, 

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Right, right. 
Or something like that. 

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And they just think that's what 
it is, you know? 

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I mean, you don't know till 
you're there and you experience 

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it. 
I can't say you know that I know

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about I don't know. 
I'm trying to think of 

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something. 
Yeah, anything I'm not into. 

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I can't tell you about video 
games. 

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I don't play video games. 
I couldn't tell you anything 

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about them. 
I could tell you the name of a 

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few, but I don't I don't play 
them, so I don't know. 

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I can only speculate what I see 
on YouTube, you know, So I think

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that's what people even just 
stepping into the lifestyle. 

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So I can't even say you're you 
wouldn't necessarily I would 

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think you're a fake. 
I would just think you don't 

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know. 
Plenty of people come up and 

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say, like, oh, I I'm new to 
Mocha and this is a whole new 

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experience. 
We were completely experienced 

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lifestylers coming to Mocha, but
it was completely different for 

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us. 
I never with him and I clung to 

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him like glue because our past 
experience was going to trapeze 

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on single guy night where they 
let any, like vanilla guy, it 

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doesn't matter. 
You could just be anybody off 

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the street. 
You're not necessarily a 

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swinger. 
And they were very grabby. 

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Yeah, they were very grabby. 
And I felt like I had to stay 

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near him or near somebody that I
knew it wasn't all the time, you

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know, we met a few like 
respectful guys, but that was 

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like a big deal. 
So when I'm coming here, I'm 

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already overwhelmed before we 
hit the door. 

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And I'm experienced and I walked
around until he got upset at me.

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Our first smoke, I was like the 
smoke out. 

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It's simple. 
All you have to do is point out 

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who you want to fuck and I'll go
talk to them and they'll have 

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sex with you. 
And I was like, there's no way 

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it works like that. 
Because before we went to 

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couples parties, which aren't 
little different, you have to 

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talk to couples for a little 
while. 

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Sometimes they're self swaps, 
sometimes they're full swaps, 

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sometimes just the woman place. 
Does not mean they cut you off. 

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I've been I've been in the game 
for 11 years, right. 

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The couples that for some like 
that kind of get four years, but

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that's totally different from 
like because I I started off as 

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that, but I but but a year end, 
I went into our parties that was

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throwing in Cincinnati. 
So when I came to my first 

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flash, it wasn't overwhelming to
me because half of the dudes 

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already knew. 
So when they seen what's oh 

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shit, like yeah, they real. 
Oh shit. 

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Then they follow me up and 
you're wrong. 

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This is how I'm going down. 
It's running now. 

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I'm kind of like, OK, it's 
running like that too. 

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I got experience from the other 
guy. 

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So we're not coming in. 
But just to touch on your 

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subject, when you when y'all 
came in with them trying to get 

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4 yeses and him bringing here, I
can see why he was kind of 

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confused because it don't take 
four years it just take one. 

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There in other circumstances it 
would be me and my husband and 

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you. 
And you? 

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And everybody would have to and 
to get everybody else exactly. 

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And to get those girls. 
At couples parties, you can't 

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always find like some couples 
just I'm not bi, so I some 

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couples won't play with the only
they only want to watch the 

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women. 
That's just not my thing. 

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I thought I hadn't again, I 
don't judge anybody. 

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If that's your thing, like you 
do that cool, but I that's just 

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not mine. 
So it was just too. 

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There's too many dynamics that 
you were having to figure. 

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Out I'll watch more into like. 
Oh yeah, Multiple penises are 

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fine. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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And it's a guessing game when 
you go into a couple's party, I 

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think is what? 
So when we came here, there was 

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no guessing. 
There's a guy here, he probably 

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wants to fuck you, and that's 
OK, and I'll talk to them for 

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you. 
And I was like, there's just no 

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way that works. 
And here's and another thing is 

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this guys, even the guy who even
the guy who's allowed to play 

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alone, but that's a part of a 
couple behaves differently like 

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before. 
I mean, she she's met, I've been

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to lifestyle a lot longer than 
her. 

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So she met a lot of people I 
played with before and they're 

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like, man, he's so much 
different. 

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Like I, I'm different when I 
have a partner, you know, the, 

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the rules are different. 
Yeah, the experienced guys 

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understand the rules are 
different. 

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A lot of times the inexperienced
guys make the mistakes because 

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they don't understand the rules 
are different. 

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So when she did come into this 
environment, she was 

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overwhelmed. 
And I just explained to her for 

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me, like I'm big on, I think 
things through, OK? 

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I'm not the kind of guy that 
walks up to mile to a guy with 

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my wife and go, hey, this is my 
wife. 

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You want to fuck her? 
I don't like to put a guy in 

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that position because what if he
doesn't want it? 

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What if he doesn't want you? 
I'm more like, hey, you see lady

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over there? 
Yeah, that's my wife. 

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If you're interested later on, 
feel free to come by and say hi.

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I know that she like you. 
From her standpoint, she was 

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just walking around like there's
so many Dicks. 

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I don't know, she wanted to 
choose which one do I want to 

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play with. 
I was like, for the love of God 

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woman, point at one of them 
point and I'll shoot. 

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And so she points and finally 
she go get and she literally 

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that was 2020. 
She's been playing with that 

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same guy ever since. 
And in this environment was the 

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first time she was ever like 
that because in every other 

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environment, every other 
environment, she just like I, we

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first got together. 
I have to tell her don't say she

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will walk up to people. 
Hey you guys want to fuck? 

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I'm like just a meet and greet, 
meet greet. 

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Just say hi first. 
Do you know how many people we 

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actually fucked from me saying 
that though? 

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Let's just let's just talk about
that. 

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You think? 
It's a number like. 

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There's just so many options. 
No, I was overwhelmed. 

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When I get overwhelmed, I can't 
make decisions. 

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That's where he comes in. 
He's the party, the party 

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starter for that. 
I if there's too many decisions,

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I'll go take a nap. 
I can't 'cause I, I feel like I 

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think all the time the rest of 
my life. 

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So when I'm here, I don't like 
it sounds terrible. 

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I don't like putting a lot of 
effort or thought into this 

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stuff. 
If you have so many options, it 

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shouldn't be that hard. 
And for him, he is very logical 

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and he'll just say maybe rest 
for a minute, take, you know, 

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then go back and, you know, pick
someone or whatever, talk to 

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some. 
We don't have to do anything if 

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you don't want to. 
We could stay here and hang out,

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which that will never happen, 
but let's. 

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Go. 
Have you evolved more now now to

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where you you he doesn't have to
go get them like if you. 

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That was after the first party. 
No, she the second, she just. 

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Went back to her regular self. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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That's what happened to me. 
The first, the first mocha I 

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came to it was, it was the same 
thing. 

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It was kind of like, tell me 
what you want and I'll go, I'll 

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go get it. 
I think that. 

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And now I'm just like I'm back. 
Yeah. 

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My wife Jesse, not this, not 
this Jesse. 

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My wife Jesse, I think has 
experienced even further on that

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same spectrum that we've missed 
a total of 2 splashes. 

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We think we're, we're north of 
20 now. 

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And at first it's kind of like, 
oh, there's so many things and 

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you do those things over a few 
years, right? 

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But if you are walking into a 
store and you've played with 

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this toy before and here's a 
brand new toy, it's human 

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nature. 
Let's play with something new, 

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right? 
And so sometimes it actually 

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makes her feel badly. 
Well, why won't Bob come see me?

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Well, in order to play with Bob 
a few times, there's new toys, 

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you know. 
Yeah, he's he's maybe found a 

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new toy as well. 
Right, that's exactly right. 

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And and it becomes not the year 
old hat, but you know, and and 

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so it actually becomes after a 
while almost a a negative 

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experience from that standpoint 
because you are no longer in 

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somebody's radar. 
Here's the cool things to try 

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because that's already been 
tried. 

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You know, that's it's just an 
interesting problem that we're 

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just now beginning to realize 
so. 

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I have a rule for myself. 
He doesn't really have any rules

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for me. 
But the rule for myself is that 

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if you live in the same town as 
me, we're not playing at Mocha. 

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Because of that, there's so many
other. 

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Yeah, I might only see this guy 
and this guy 2 * a year because 

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they only come to two mochas. 
So I if we're in Atlanta and we 

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live within 30 minutes of each 
other, we're not playing at 

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Mocha. 
There's no, to me, there's no 

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point. 
Like we can play at home if you,

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you know, if you come into a 
gang bang, cool, fit it in, but 

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I'm not going to push it on in 
there. 

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Yeah, that's my like on standing
rule. 

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But same, like I never get my 
feelings hurt by reject, by 

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rejection, anything like that 
because I always assume that 

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there's something new and that's
OK because she. 

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Lives with me. 
She lives with me like there's 

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no filter. 
There is people, people say this

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all time and I hate to be that 
guy, but it's usually bullshit. 

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My wife is actually my best 
friend. 

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Like actually like a lot of 
people say it like she's 

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actually so like I talk to her 
like I talk to the dudes. 

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My wife is the one female that 
my my friends will call me and 

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see he just a minute ago he did 
edited man speech. 

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He edited so he didn't sound 
harsh about saying that when 

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it's just dudes talking, you 
would think we're a bunch of 

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fucking Neanderthals. 
Like we're just because we, we 

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don't edit, we skip. 
We get straight to the point. 

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We we say all these things. 
How many guys do you know when 

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they're around your wife? 
They don't edit. 

430
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My friends do not edit around my
wife. 

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Like literally, my friends are 
so accustomed to me telling her 

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everything that they'll be, 
we'll be having man talk and 

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they'll be like, oh, you'll 
believe. 

434
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:13,480
Well, ask your wife. 
So that being said, in this type

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of environment, understanding 
that, look, honey, these guys 

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are coming here. 
They want numbers like you want 

437
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,880
numbers, all right? 
They want they want variety like

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you want variety. 
And the one thing that I stress 

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to her is if you want to be 
unique, you have, you have to 

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find a way to be unique. 
And you, you also going to have 

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different people going to have 
different connections with. 

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There's maybe one or two guys 
who she will play with multiple 

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times. 
Other than that, we talked, we 

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played, we have each other's 
number. 

445
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If you really want to fuck my 
wife between now and Atlanta 

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Splash, pick up the phone, you 
know, come and get it. 

447
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So if you didn't do that, like 
when she sees is, you know, it 

448
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is new guy, why would she turn 
that down? 

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But I've also as a husband, I've
pushed her to be like me because

450
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,880
I've said this before. 
The only way we can work is if 

451
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,960
you understand me, before we 
were together, I had access to 

452
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,480
excess. 
Like I want you to know what it 

453
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,960
feels like to to be like a dude.
Fuck who you want to fuck and 

454
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,160
when you want to fuck with no 
excuses. 

455
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,600
Even though I was already doing 
that before I met him, I just 

456
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,080
said yeah, there's a swinger 
thing. 

457
00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:36,080
I just. 
She can be loud. 

458
00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:38,800
She can be loud about it now she
can be loud about it. 

459
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,000
You know, before it had to be. 
One of the reasons I married. 

460
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,920
My wife, right? 
Yeah, well, can. 

461
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,200
I ask you a question about most 
most it's like a brother code 

462
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,520
and I I don't know if you 
experienced, but then you know 

463
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,200
I'm going with this, like me 
being a brother, if I see 

464
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,880
another brother take answers, 
this couple here come to a 

465
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,800
party. 
I won't say that I won't mess 

466
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,720
with the woman like at all, like
she might want to be with me, 

467
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,920
but out of respect for him, I 
won't touch him like any any any

468
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,320
brother that comes here as a 
interracial, because it's 

469
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,800
something about us being AI got 
like you know what, dude, that's

470
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,560
a girl, man. 
I ain't really because I like my

471
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,600
what my, but some guys don't 
come just talking about the 

472
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,440
majority. 
Like the old school I know. 

473
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,880
When I came up in the old 
school, you kind of you kept 

474
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,840
that off like you kept that you 
only came to fuck the white men 

475
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,000
women. 
You never come to fuck the black

476
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,520
guys women. 
That's it. 

477
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,040
Like, but that's how I came up 
in the game because that's who 

478
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,360
was bringing the women. 
I have never recently they 

479
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:38,840
started recently black guys 
start bringing white women. 

480
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,160
That wasn't. 
That was not. 

481
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,520
That's why I never was. 
Not existing one time, like when

482
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,960
did you seeing white guys 
playing at Mocha See that that 

483
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,640
like those things was I'm going 
to be honest with just just to 

484
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,560
be real, because it's an honest 
conversation. 

485
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,360
If I see a queen of spade play 
with a white guy, I'm going to 

486
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:59,840
play with because that right 
there it it it it's just you're 

487
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,760
faking. 
You're not who you are. 

488
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,280
You're just putting on a tire. 
In 2015, 2016, if a white guy 

489
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,520
was playing in public, they kind
of take him aside and say that's

490
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,120
not really what this was for. 
It was a lot of dynamics, man. 

491
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,560
And, and I'm going to just say 
this right quick, a lot of 

492
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,960
couples going into the 
lifestyle, they do not know what

493
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,200
they want. 
They mixing cocoa with hot 

494
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,440
white. 
They mixing this with that and 

495
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,280
those things a lot. 
Of but I'll argue with you on 

496
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,960
that. 
Let me argue with you on it 

497
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:32,960
because everyone, I like to 
argue, everybody I think evolves

498
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,440
and I think they get into 
something and they say. 

499
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:42,240
What you're saying to me so. 
So have she, I asked her, have 

500
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,680
she ever experienced that being 
with you, that the guy you might

501
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,040
want to play with say, you know 
what, be my man ain't really 

502
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,680
trying to go that direction and 
just step off and. 

503
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,320
You know why? 
Because I'll. 

504
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,560
Be honest, I'm always not. 
I'm not the sharpest tool in the

505
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,400
shed sometimes either, so I may 
not have noticed that no one's 

506
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,560
ever like said. 
It to me saying is reflexive for

507
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,200
another reason, because 
throughout my 20 something years

508
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,680
in lifestyle, usually if I seen 
a good looking black dude with a

509
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,520
good looking white woman, if you
go and talk to him, he's very he

510
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:15,920
don't he don't want you to touch
her. 

511
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,920
He ain't bring her here for you.
He ain't she. 

512
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,360
And so it was it was reflexive. 
So we're like, I'm very 

513
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:29,160
reluctant. 
It's habit has made me 

514
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,280
reluctant. 
Like he has to come to me and 

515
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,880
say my girl is interested in 
playing with you. 

516
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,280
Because I am aware of that. 
I would go up to guys and be 

517
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,280
like, hey, my wife likes you. 
I'm completely comfortable with 

518
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,040
you playing with her. 
I have a conversation with you 

519
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,080
so that you know that I mean 
what I'm saying because I've 

520
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,960
been in a situation with a black
dude with a white woman where 

521
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,840
I've played with her. 
And then now he looking at me 

522
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,760
crazy or every time I see him in
another party, he avoids me. 

523
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,400
So it's what you're saying, but.
Usually that's because you went 

524
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,440
in and laid down the pipe and 
they were a little. 

525
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,520
Upset about it, but but that's 
what you're supposed to do if. 

526
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,520
It's all about communication. 
Well, what she's saying is there

527
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,440
are guys who get insecure 
because the way you yeah, I want

528
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,640
the way how well you fuck their 
wife. 

529
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,360
But to me, that's weakness. 
I don't want you to fuck my wife

530
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:23,720
if you can't do a good job. 
I want my wife to come back to 

531
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,720
me like God damn otherwise, 
because that's like that's like 

532
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,480
only, only a certain type of 
guy. 

533
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:37,080
And so when I approach another 
guy for her to play with, I make

534
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,000
sure that him and I have that 
communication. 

535
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:45,040
But yes, what you're saying in 
Atlanta going to parties like 

536
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:51,280
over and over where the guy 
comes in damn near 9099% of the 

537
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,560
time, if you see a black dude 
with a good looking white woman,

538
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,680
he he ain't, he ain't letting 
you play with her. 

539
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,960
You got to mean muscles. 
Your dress look too good. 

540
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,800
I mean. 
And let's just pause on that. 

541
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,520
We're not. 
But it's listen, this, this is 

542
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,600
manspeak that you have you 
experienced that? 

543
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,160
Saying that because he's in 
here. 

544
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,480
But have you experienced that 
vice versa this? 

545
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,600
Is the real life situation. 
This ain't just because you're a

546
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,680
white. 
Female. 

547
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,720
I think I'm her biggest. 
Cough block here. 

548
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,120
Yeah. 
Yeah, I feel like saying. 

549
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,760
That yesterday. 
How do you deal with being the 

550
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,720
wife of A? 
Bull, Yeah. 

551
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,400
Me being with her though, I 
think dudes are reluctant and I 

552
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,080
this is what I want, you know 
what I'm saying? 

553
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,400
We're this is my primary reasons
for coming here. 

554
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,680
I was just coming in the front 
door now and some dude was 

555
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,000
approaching this and I had to do
a quick U-turn 'cause I didn't 

556
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,560
want him to see me and and not 
shoot that shot. 

557
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,280
You kind of got to split up and 
go your second ways and meet 

558
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:48,920
people. 
I don't. 

559
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,240
I don't split up. 
Yeah. 

560
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,000
They're like I that's why I go 
and talk. 

561
00:28:54,800 --> 00:29:00,880
Because when I see you, Yeah, if
you cuz you ain't going, you 

562
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,640
ain't looking at me, giving me 
no clear signals that it's OK 

563
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,480
for me to talk to her. 
So when I look at you and I look

564
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,480
at her, you look at her every 
day. 

565
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,760
And you know, you like looking 
at her. 

566
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,800
So we like looking at her. 
So if you looking at me like 

567
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,640
this. 
OK, he ain't approachable. 

568
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:14,920
I'm gonna go ahead. 
Yeah. 

569
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,920
Plus, you've got 100 other 
options that are way clearer 

570
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,080
than this shot right here. 
So unfortunately, you have to be

571
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,160
the aggressor. 
Yeah, yeah. 

572
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,680
And and that's how I am. 
Like I am. 

573
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,400
Wants to look at the cuckold 
chair and see a dude like this. 

574
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,320
You know, I'm saying I'm talking
about a man. 

575
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,720
I'm talking about a man. 
Doesn't want to look at the 

576
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,400
cuckold chair, you know what I'm
saying? 

577
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,120
I mean, we play, I play with a 
lot of guys that are that want 

578
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,200
to do more solo stuff because 
they can't do groups. 

579
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,680
Like I have guys that was like, 
yeah, they're fucking, they 

580
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,120
don't care. 
We're out here fucking or guys 

581
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,520
are like, no, I got to go to 
your room. 

582
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,600
And then we still go to the 
room. 

583
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,520
They still have the issue. 
So I get that. 

584
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,440
But hold on, let me back up to 
you the evolvement. 

585
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,960
I got into this thinking I only 
wanted to play with couples. 

586
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,920
The first white guy I ever 
played with was in lifestyle 

587
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,000
with him. 
I never played with a white guy 

588
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,600
before that. 
I'll still play with a white guy

589
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,320
to this day. 
I don't care. 

590
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,440
I don't really have a 
preference. 

591
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,760
No, no. 
But I feel like people evolved. 

592
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,560
Even if you say that's what it 
is, maybe somebody told that 

593
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,200
specific person in the 
beginning, this is what this is.

594
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,520
She thought that's what she 
liked. 

595
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,080
She may have liked it at that 
moment. 

596
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,200
But I don't think we're 
restricted to just like one 

597
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,720
thing. 
That's always my thing, so. 

598
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,280
He's he's hitting a sweet point.
You, you you haven't elaborated 

599
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:34,840
on that. 
Hold on. 

600
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:35,720
No, I. 
Understand. 

601
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,440
Let me finish. 
And I'm glad you, I'm glad you 

602
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:43,720
spoke on that because what what 
I'm saying is this she might 

603
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,200
have. 
Now I'm going to be honest with 

604
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,560
you, the whole while I've been 
in the lifestyle, I have never 

605
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,720
seen a reversal. 
I have never seen a white woman 

606
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,120
fuck black guys. 
And all of a sudden, you know, 

607
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,440
I'm dumb fucking black guy. 
I'm strictly white Dick now. 

608
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,280
But what I'm saying is that I 
have seen people say, you know 

609
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,320
what? 
I'm going to give my I'm a 

610
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,680
fucking white guy. 
You know what I mean? 

611
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,320
But they are not tattooed up 
with these like they're not 

612
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,200
portraying something that's 
saying I'm black Dick only. 

613
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,760
Now you portray an image of I'm 
black Dick only and you fucking 

614
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,120
the white guy. 
Yeah, you see what I'm saying? 

615
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,840
Like it's a different, it's a 
it's different. 

616
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,360
But what? 
So here's my here's the debate. 

617
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,400
How does that affect you? 
If you're fucking, how does that

618
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,160
affect you at all? 
You. 

619
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,600
Stepped in that room, it's the 
fantasy, correct? 

620
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,280
But the fantasy is still there 
whether or not she's fucked the 

621
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,840
white guy 10 minutes before you 
or not. 

622
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,040
You can't get this fantasy guess
what it is, so you can't dictate

623
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,400
any of you can't dictate nothing
right, right, right, right. 

624
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,680
So if I want this fantasy to go 
with plan that mean I'm a. 

625
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:51,320
So in that position, so in his 
particular and see me and Mike C

626
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,480
talked about that too, like the 
you have the hardcore queen of 

627
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,360
spades and they bring that to 
you. 

628
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,480
This is who I am. 
I'm telling you, hey, I want to 

629
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,960
play with you. 
This is who I am. 

630
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,440
And you say, hold on, wait, 
wait, no, no, he already said 

631
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,360
that. 
He, he clarified that part. 

632
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,440
But if you come to me, because 
that's the thing that a lot of 

633
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,160
QoS is brag about, Like that's 
their bragging point when 

634
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,880
they're talking to you, when 
you're having that conversation.

635
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,280
And so you see them in the 
morning, they're bragging about 

636
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,720
it, they're talking about it. 
And then they do that and it's 

637
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,000
like, OK, well, you're not 
representing who you are. 

638
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,600
It's the same thing as when we 
have some of the guys who 

639
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,840
pretend to be bulls and they 
come with that fake bull persona

640
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,200
and you fuck them and then or 
you're talking to them and you 

641
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,920
get turned off. 
Now, he said. 

642
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,600
On the other hand, if you never 
represented yourself as that, 

643
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,640
then that's fine. 
It's not that he's not going to 

644
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,600
fuck a woman who fucks white 
dudes. 

645
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,600
It's just don't tell me I'm a 
queen of spades. 

646
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,160
And then halfway through the 
night your tattoo wear off. 

647
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,360
Like, wait a minute, you know, 
you know. 

648
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,440
Sometimes you're just trying to.
But see now, but, and here's the

649
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,960
thing that's also different and 
that's you said it earlier, a 

650
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,240
lot of couples, you said it 
actually, couples come into the 

651
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,160
lifestyle and they don't know if
they're hot wife or cook. 

652
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,200
That's every couple when they 
first step into it. 

653
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,240
There's very few couples who 
know what they are because most 

654
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,160
men fight the masculinity thing 
first. 

655
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,720
They know they want to be cooks,
but they're still trying to 

656
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,240
figure out, well, if I tell my 
wife I want to be this, how is 

657
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,040
she going to see me? 
So they ease her into it, not 

658
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,880
me. 
And you will be talking to that 

659
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,560
husband on the phone or online, 
and we know what he is already. 

660
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:44,920
But then you get there and he's 
doing this waffling between 

661
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,000
trying to be this and not trying
to be too much of this. 

662
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,560
And you can see it and you be 
sitting there like this fucking 

663
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,560
with my heart on because this 
dude can't figure out who the 

664
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,120
fuck he is, You know, So I, I do
see you on that, that 

665
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,240
standpoint. 
I look for keys. 

666
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,400
When I come to the party, it's 
the only thing. 

667
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,600
I look for keys. 
I look for the keys. 

668
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,400
Keys couple you see. 
What I'm saying like you didn't 

669
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,679
even know what I'm talking. 
About. 

670
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,520
But do you know what I was 
talking about? 

671
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,600
How the 1st? 
Time right? 

672
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,880
What are? 
You talking about coke keys? 

673
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,880
And when they locked that key 
that they locked with the wife 

674
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,080
wearing around their neck? 
So this guy is you? 

675
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Already know what the situation 
is. 

676
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,280
So, so he's a high level 
operator. 

677
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,440
When I say high level operator, 
he's actually a bull and he's 

678
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,960
had years of experience in it. 
And so he's looking, he's going 

679
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,000
to deal with couples with years 
of experience in it. 

680
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,800
And if he takes on a couple who 
doesn't have years of 

681
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,920
experience, and that's because 
the husband said if he takes him

682
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,840
on, the husband said, hey, I'm 
new at this. 

683
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,199
I know what I want. 
And she agrees that she wants 

684
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:54,120
this and he's talked to them and
he sees not a wife just saying 

685
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,960
it for the sake of her husband. 
So now there's going to be a lot

686
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,480
of things that he speak of right
now that unless you are a high 

687
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,600
level operator, you won't even 
comprehend. 

688
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,400
That's why I said he's, he's not
prefacing certain things because

689
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,480
he's assuming that everyone 
knows what he's saying. 

690
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,480
I know what he's saying because 
I've been sitting there like, 

691
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,880
you got to be fucking kidding 
me. 

692
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,320
And I'm not even a QoS kind of 
guy. 

693
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:22,040
Like I'm I don't, I am not a fan
of only a QoS because I have 

694
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,760
this thing with my ego where if 
I'm sitting here and fucking 

695
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,320
Thor is next to me and you 
choose me just because I'm black

696
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,440
and you just disregarded the 
fact that this dude is rich and 

697
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,040
he's buff and he's got a big 
Dick and I'm only winning 

698
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,040
because I'm black. 
So that means that fucking Urkel

699
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,200
could have been here. 
That does nothing for my ego. 

700
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,520
Like that does nothing for me. 
But that's only me. 

701
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,600
But you got muscles. 
You got muscles though. 

702
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:51,920
That's true. 
What? 

703
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,560
But they think they're assuming 
that he's dragging the ground 

704
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,840
when they get in that bedroom. 
But you. 

705
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,160
But because he's tall. 
Yeah, I'm. 

706
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,600
Going to bring with you there. 
So now, so now this high level 

707
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,960
operator right here. 
Every short guy I've ever dated 

708
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,520
has carried a fucking tripod or 
a baby leg. 

709
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,680
But she sniffs. 
Out. 

710
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,080
My wife is a big Dick whisperer.
She'll be looking at some dude 

711
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,600
like not that. 
One no, we call it Big Dick. 

712
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,040
Energy. 
Guys carry a certain energy when

713
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,080
they have a big Dick. 
But size or not even a big Dick,

714
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,840
just they know how to lay down 
Dick, they have a certain 

715
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,000
energy. 
You can see it in their ego, 

716
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,160
however. 
And what I try to do too, when I

717
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,480
like couples that I meet and 
that I already, you know, I 

718
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,120
introduced them to other 
couples. 

719
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,640
So it kind of helped fill in 
space. 

720
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,960
I did like I don't have all the 
questions to answer so I don't 

721
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,560
have time for that. 
So I introduced them to other 

722
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,800
couples that they could share 
and get on these, you know, 

723
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,440
telegrams and you know share 
information. 

724
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,720
So when they do get seasoned 
because I didn't told a couple 

725
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,760
friends, I look get you about 
two years in and come back in. 

726
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,560
Yeah, Absolutely. 
Absolutely. 

727
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,440
Seriously. 
Yeah. 

728
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,720
And know I can know what you're 
about how you doing like what's 

729
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,040
going on. 
I can tell like the husbands, I 

730
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,160
stay away from the young crowd 
because I know a lot of them is 

731
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,960
just modeling. 
They just putting on the 

732
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,880
clothes. 
They just there's no disrespect 

733
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:24,840
from them. 
They paying their money. 

734
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,520
They should have the best time 
or they like how they want to 

735
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,040
have it. 
But I treasure my time and I 

736
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,400
look at it like this and like 
her for instance, she 

737
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,000
aggressive, she going to go 
after what she want. 

738
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,480
I prefer to talk to females that
FLR female led relationship in 

739
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,240
the cocoa they do most of the 
talking. 

740
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,240
That three-way shit complicates 
stuff sometimes. 

741
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,240
He think he know his wife and he
really don't because when we do 

742
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:54,240
get in the room he find out 
she's doing it like things 

743
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,800
because he never had the 
opportunity to do those things 

744
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,440
with her. 
I ran into that just last night,

745
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,960
and my husband, somebody 
approached us and he was just 

746
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,080
like, you know, I kept talking 
to this guy because I didn't 

747
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,840
know he would like this guy. 
And I'm like what? 

748
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,960
The fuck are you thinking? 
I would like that guy. 

749
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,880
That's why some females are 
saying I don't need my husband 

750
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,200
to talk to me. 
I'm going to talk to myself. 

751
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,800
Like I know what I want. 
I know who I want to play with, 

752
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,240
you know? 
Hey, babe, hey, look, I'm in, 

753
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,320
I'm in room 484. 
I'm going to take you when I get

754
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,080
up there and let you know I'm 
doing OK and I'll be back down, 

755
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,720
You know, I mean, if they got 
that type of relationship. 

756
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,200
That's where I need to. 
Get what you. 

757
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,280
Have you have to talk to? 
Other women sometimes and. 

758
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,920
As a shy person, I'm not there 
yet. 

759
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,480
Or you can, you can train, you 
can train him to be your 

760
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,880
mouthpiece. 
Like it's OK. 

761
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,080
It's if, if you are in that 
female led relationship, you 

762
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,800
can't like, because that's you 
can train him to say what you 

763
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,160
want, how you want. 
And then you let him know, Hey, 

764
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,240
once, once you get to the room, 
she's in charge, you know, 

765
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:02,840
because that makes things easier
for, for me, because what he 

766
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,200
said is probably the truest 
thing. 

767
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,200
And and the percentage of 
couples who don't know their 

768
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,720
wives. 
The percentage of men who don't 

769
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,600
know their wives, not. 
Necessarily. 

770
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,760
Well, because they've assumed, 
or they've not asked or they. 

771
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,560
Didn't no or she she didn't feel
comfortable telling them, 

772
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,240
comfortable to say yeah or or 
they or and and to their 

773
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:29,840
defense, they will meet a high 
level operator who takes them to

774
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,080
a different place, but not. 
Necessarily other elements like 

775
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,160
I'm a long haired guy kind of 
person. 

776
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,480
So, so you're, so you're talking
about the physical attributes. 

777
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,720
So we're talking about yeah, so 
he's talking about the sexual in

778
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,720
the bedroom attributes. 
And The thing is this. 

779
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:57,360
Well, the misunderstanding is, 
yeah, so, so the 

780
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:04,400
misunderstanding is this. 
It's kind of like, imagine 

781
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,520
you're trying to put a board up 
on 8 foot shelf, right? 

782
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,240
Your husband can only reach the 
five foot shelf. 

783
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,480
He knows you within the 
parameters of his limitations of

784
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,880
the five foot shelf. 
They run into this guy who takes

785
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,240
that board and puts it on the 8 
foot shelf. 

786
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,160
It wasn't his lack of knowing, 
it was him being able to take 

787
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:35,000
her somewhere. 
Now what winds up happening is 

788
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,600
people also to understand that's
not necessarily a bad thing. 

789
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,640
It's not a bad thing at all. 
Because here's the thing, your 

790
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,600
relationship with your mate, 
when you're in the bedroom and 

791
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,400
when you do anything, you got a 
pile of bills on top of it, kids

792
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,760
on top of the dog on top of it, 
life on top of it, stress on top

793
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,680
of it, All of these things are 
piling on top of it. 

794
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,560
When he shows up, that's. 
Just. 

795
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,480
Fun. 
He's got one job, you 2 have one

796
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:10,240
thing in common and that's it. 
So he's doing it, relieving your

797
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:15,480
stress and without added stress.
So now he can take you to this 

798
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,640
place. 
Now you're going to get the 

799
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,680
husbands who freak out. 
And I see I've had the husband 

800
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,280
crying or meet me and a dude. 
I don't understand why she's 

801
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,040
responding. 
You, you've seen it. 

802
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,800
You've done it. 
I don't understand why she's 

803
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,480
responding like that to me. 
I've never seen her do this. 

804
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:36,400
Well, yeah, because you, you, 
you've got fucking 30 years of 

805
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,160
life on top of your shit. 
You know what I'm saying? 

806
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,480
But we understand that 
oftentimes the husbands don't 

807
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,960
have anybody to reference and 
talk to about why my wife is 

808
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,840
doing this. 
When I find dudes for my wife, I

809
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,480
want a guy that's going to be a 
take her mind off of all the 

810
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,080
bullshit. 
And I had to tell my wife years 

811
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,800
ago, don't say dumb shit to me 
daddy. 

812
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,280
Your Dick is the best I'll ever 
have. 

813
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,520
First of all, stop the best 
Dick. 

814
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,640
You going to ever have his new 
Dick If you get the best Dick 

815
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,120
you going to get is brand new 
Dick if it's a high level 

816
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,720
operator, somebody who know how 
to fuck. 

817
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,440
If I've been fucking you for all
these years and one of these 

818
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,960
dudes can't show up and fuck you
better when you know every 

819
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,080
trick, every move, I can move, I
can I can lean to the left and 

820
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,360
you completely switch into the 
position that you know no stop. 

821
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,680
Don't We removed all the line 
from our don't fucking lie to 

822
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:34,960
me. 
This is not the best Dick. 

823
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,480
You love me the most OK, Because
I'm not doing acrobatics with 

824
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,920
you every night no more. 
Last night she went and had all 

825
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,160
the fun she can have and she 
came in the bedroom and I was 

826
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,320
laying down and that little ass 
bed and I, I gave her my usual 

827
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,600
lie hey come cuddle with me. 
She came over, I climbed on top 

828
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:03,640
of her, stuck it in nice and 
slow, and we had very regular 

829
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,920
sex while she whispered in my 
ear and I whispered in her ear. 

830
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,720
The last dude was doing all kind
of hanging off the chandeliers. 

831
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,240
I wasn't doing that shit. 
This wasn't the best Dick you 

832
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,800
had all night. 
It was the best connection. 

833
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,920
It was the best connection you 
had all night. 

834
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,640
So my wife can now separate the 
physical from the emotional. 

835
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:31,560
So yeah, but but you what he's 
saying is when I say preaching 

836
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,520
it, it it's hard to explain that
concept to a guy when I can make

837
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,240
your wife experience something 
that you can't fucks with their 

838
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:43,680
head. 
Compartmentalization. 

839
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:44,880
Let me back down just a little 
bit. 

840
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,560
So you guys were talking about 
if you see a white white woman 

841
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,480
who is holding herself out as a 
QS, but you see her fucking 

842
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,920
white guys, right? 
Do you? 

843
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,520
Do you still so? 
Write it back. 

844
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,840
We put you got the tag with a 
Queen's faith. 

845
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,280
You can't just say a white 
woman, you have to say a white 

846
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,280
woman that's betraying the room 
of a queen. 

847
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,160
No, right. 
Yeah, I said QS right. 

848
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,120
So I'm not a cook so I can't 
relate to it, but I know that 

849
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,720
there are some cooks that they 
literally will not have sex with

850
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:15,320
their own wife. 
They want to be pussy free 

851
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,320
somehow it works for their 
marriage or whatever. 

852
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,200
But if you see AQS but you know 
she still has sex with her white

853
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,800
wife with her white husband, do 
you have that same reaction that

854
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,920
she's not keys in? 
My wallet and I stay in Fort 

855
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,000
Wayne, IN. 
I got a key. 

856
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,920
To explain the keys. 
But did you? 

857
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,600
What you just said that they 
won't have sex because it's it's

858
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,520
dealing with it's it's it's 
control, OK. 

859
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,720
Everybody's got their. 
It's control. 

860
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:42,880
Yeah, yeah. 
Explain the. 

861
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,160
Explain the keys the. 
Reason I'm showing you the keys 

862
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,160
because say your comment again, 
I want you to repeat your 

863
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,840
question again so I can be a a 
better answer than what the. 

864
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,200
Question is, if it is a a white 
wife who holds herself out as 

865
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,400
the queen of spades, but you 
know she's still having sex with

866
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,600
her white husband, do you also 
have that same negative reaction

867
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,240
torture? 
Like maybe she's not. 

868
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,000
She's not. 
If she's a true spade, she is 

869
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,560
certain things that she's going 
to allow him to do sexually. 

870
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,720
She might lock him up for two or
three months and then she might.

871
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:15,720
And if they do have sex, it 
might be he. 

872
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,680
It might be to where he only 
jacks off. 

873
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,200
He might not have physical 
penetration in his wife. 

874
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,000
She might do other things that 
bring enjoyment to him. 

875
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,640
I have dealt with plenty of 
couples haven't fucked their 

876
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,320
wife in five years. 
No more sex with attraction. 

877
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,000
So you might see when you're 
dealing with it ain't just 

878
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,040
dealing with just like these 
people are separated sexually. 

879
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,440
They are not no longer now they 
love each other. 

880
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,760
They're family, unions, raising 
kids. 

881
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,200
But when it comes to the sex, 
it's it's like it's done. 

882
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,320
So by your definition then that 
Queen of Space will never have 

883
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,880
sex with her I. 
Didn't say never. 

884
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,280
I didn't say never. 
So he said, Will you? 

885
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,800
Play with her how far they go 
with the husband you got take me

886
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,440
as I have a queen of it's a 
queen upstairs right me and her 

887
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,840
got what I'm going to say She I 
told her the other day she said 

888
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:12,360
that she have sex outside of 
America right what she and I 

889
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,440
told her I said, you know not 
really a true space. 

890
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,240
She said well I kind of been 
debating about that. 

891
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:21,080
I said you know why I said that?
She said yeah, because I exactly

892
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,840
she also understand the concept,
but you try to speak about 

893
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,240
something you really don't know 
because you just. 

894
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,200
No, he was asking the question 
he was speaking about. 

895
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:32,640
He's asking you a question. 
No, he's still no. 

896
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:33,880
You haven't answered the 
question though. 

897
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,440
He's waiting for the answer. 
Will you fuck her if she fucks 

898
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:37,840
her? 
Husband. 

899
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,520
Yeah, no, that was just a 
question. 

900
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,280
He wouldn't challenge you. 
He just asked the question. 

901
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,200
No, no, no. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

902
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,320
If your wife. 
Was a queen and asked and she 

903
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,040
was fucking you. 
Then I probably went fucking 

904
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:56,400
yeah, pretty much that because 
because it's just jump in. 

905
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,760
Interracial extra play. 
It's a special. 

906
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,200
And I've met. 
People. 

907
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,640
It is that, you know, they use 
that Queen of Space tag for the 

908
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,240
bedroom and that's it. 
You know what I'm? 

909
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,600
Saying right. 
All the way up to the people 

910
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,040
that, like you say, have keys. 
But. 

911
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,560
My wife will have sex with any 
good looking black man but no 

912
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,200
white guy no matter how right 
there is. 

913
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:25,520
Huge aspect. 
Right, right. 

914
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,480
So she still considers herself. 
Yes. 

915
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,400
So here's the thing, she's not. 
So what he's talking about, 

916
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,440
Yeah, what he's talking about is
the the ones who are hardcore, 

917
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,160
like fall on their, you know, 
fall on my. 

918
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,080
I'm gonna die on this hill this 
because there are the women out 

919
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,080
there who are and those are the 
women's who will talk shit about

920
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,480
another woman. 
Those are the ones who like over

921
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,320
the top. 
So. 

922
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:52,640
Yeah, yeah. 
So those. 

923
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,120
Guys are over talking to 
simplify. 

924
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:00,960
He has his preference and he 
said there's a spectrum. 

925
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,120
We're separated at parties, but 
you guys are together because 

926
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,600
you're more comfortable being 
with him. 

927
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,960
There's a huge spectrum. 
That's why it's called 

928
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,880
lifestyle. 
You came here, you experienced 

929
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,280
this, that whatever you decided,
OK, I don't like this. 

930
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,840
Like when we first got in 
lifestyle, I I didn't, I don't 

931
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,520
dislike girls, OK? 
I just don't play with girls. 

932
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,800
I love women if your titties 
while I'm getting fucked, but 

933
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,200
there has to be a Dick 
somewhere. 

934
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,640
But I had to. 
I evolved to that, but it was 

935
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,840
just because I just decided that
Dick was better than pussy. 

936
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,640
No offense to anybody that. 
Like I said, however, whatever 

937
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,920
your play style is, you said 
there's a spectrum for 

938
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,840
everything. 
There's spectrums, yes. 

939
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,920
QoS, playing by yourself, 
playing together. 

940
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,840
Yeah, exactly. 
All of the things, yeah. 

941
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,680
So it's also your own personal 
preference. 

942
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,720
You. 
He doesn't like certain things, 

943
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:58,120
you don't like certain things. 
You know you don't like certain 

944
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,200
things. 
And it's OK just to say that to 

945
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,520
everybody. 
But because we're digressed and 

946
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,520
now we only have 15 minutes 
because you dominated the 

947
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,240
conversation as usual, it's 
your. 

948
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,440
Fault. 
It's your fault, but yeah, we're

949
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,040
going to pick that up for sure 
though. 

950
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:17,720
So yeah, man, navigating by 
yourself, we're going to go back

951
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:19,120
to that. 
We were talking about women. 

952
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, ladies. 
Ladies, the ladies. 

953
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,400
I'll catch you later on. 
That was the whole point. 

954
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:31,240
Yeah, we'll be up there. 
Navigating yourself, though, 

955
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:35,360
I've always been fun with 
myself, but it was because of 

956
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,080
the dynamic we began with. 
So I, I was scared the first 

957
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,960
time. 
He's my blanket. 

958
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,760
He's your blanket. 
Everybody has a blanket that 

959
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,600
they carry around. 
You know that. 

960
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,920
He was my blanket. 
And once I know enough people, 

961
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,160
we, we go to familiar places. 
When it's unfamiliar, I'm quiet.

962
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,720
Ask him. 
I am quiet for the first hour or

963
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:58,400
so. 
And then I'll talk to anybody. 

964
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:04,120
But if I know somebody for for 
me at these parties, I find 

965
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,360
people I know, I know her. 
If he's doing something, I can 

966
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,360
walk up to her. 
Some guy. 

967
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,160
I don't want to play with it. 
You always have it. 

968
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,400
You have another safety net, 
especially here because you see 

969
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,600
a lot of the same people. 
So it is easier to navigate that

970
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,640
stuff here. 
You just have to talk to people.

971
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,280
But everyone here, even 
including like the staff, the 

972
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,040
just everybody standing around, 
they're all, if anything 

973
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,480
happened, I never worry about my
safety here. 

974
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,080
Yeah, ever. 
Yeah, yeah, Ever. 

975
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,400
And, and I actually even sorry, 
I actually even did bring an 

976
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,680
issue, you know, to him just to 
like, I just need you to be 

977
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,120
aware. 
I'm not asking you to handle 

978
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,440
anything. 
I just need you to be aware, 

979
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,720
like I'm aware this is this is 
what you know, could potentially

980
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,400
this is how I'm feeling. 
And if I need something and he's

981
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,280
like, you know, this is how 
we're going to handle it. 

982
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,440
And then if you need something, 
you just, you just come find one

983
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,960
of us. 
And again, you know, I could go 

984
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,320
up. 
I could go to anybody that I 

985
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,360
know. 
I woke up to you and be like, 

986
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:01,920
listen, I'm gonna need you to 
keep me. 

987
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,680
Company, can you be my built in 
boyfriend for a moment? 

988
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,760
Thanks. 
Yeah, I'm just going to, I'm 

989
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,080
going to walk up and I'm going 
to be like, oh, Yep, hi, how are

990
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,600
you? 
Yep, we're going to talk for 

991
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,880
just a minute and then whatever 
the situation is, it's going to 

992
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,640
go away and then we're going to 
all move on. 

993
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,480
And those are usually like the 
newer guys that like aren't, are

994
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,560
less experienced and they 
haven't, they don't know what to

995
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:22,840
do. 
They think if they stare at you 

996
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,080
like a piece of steak and stare 
at you awkwardly long enough, 

997
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,080
you're going to be like, yeah, 
let me jump on your Dick. 

998
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,040
No, that's doesn't work that way
to. 

999
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,000
Something that you said earlier 
about like approaching other 

1000
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:43,400
women, I, I had to learn because
I'm in this and I'm kind of shy 

1001
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,160
outside of this environment. 
In this environment, I I'm not 

1002
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,480
anymore, but also do know a lot 
of people now. 

1003
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,440
However, I also am not afraid to
walk up to a woman that I don't 

1004
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,400
know. 
And you know, whether yeah, I'm 

1005
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,640
creepy, yeah. 
Or even just to walk up to you 

1006
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,680
and speak to you. 
Like if you, if I see you, I'm 

1007
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:02,800
going to be like, hey, how are 
you? 

1008
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,800
Like, you know, especially if 
I've never seen you before, you 

1009
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,800
know, just to try to be like. 
So I had to learn to like, not 

1010
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,320
be afraid to approach women too,
though, because that was more 

1011
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,680
intimidating for me, I think, to
approach women than it was to 

1012
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,560
approach. 
Men, I think we're probably our 

1013
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:21,120
best resource, you know, if we 
get to know each other. 

1014
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,880
And hey, this guy's a lot of 
fun. 

1015
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,440
Yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

1016
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,720
Yeah, references. 
But just to move background from

1017
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:34,160
one second as far as safety 
goes, I went to the newbies and 

1018
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,760
couples things just an hour ago.
So with Darren and as I told him

1019
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:43,760
then as a first timer, I have 
not felt any slight bit of 

1020
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:49,160
unsafety unsafe moment. 
And especially as a newbie with 

1021
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,960
some trauma history, I've been 
awesome. 

1022
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:55,520
I've been felt amazing. 
I think that's a big question 

1023
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:56,320
now. 
Time. 

1024
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,120
My husband's not been feeling 
well. 

1025
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,440
He's been spending a lot of time
upstairs and I've been on my 

1026
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,800
own. 
I've been cool, I've been great.

1027
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,520
I've chatted with a lot of 
people, people who come up to me

1028
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,400
and introduce yourselves and 
talk, chatted. 

1029
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:08,840
I've been great. 
Yeah. 

1030
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:14,360
So as far as that goes, this 
event has been phenomenal. 

1031
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,600
The safety here because just 
like you said, you can and in my

1032
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:24,040
first one or two it was the same
thing I it the first one I was 

1033
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,320
kind of like you I was kind of 
attached I was kind of like by 

1034
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,760
the second one I was like I can 
go downstairs you just you need 

1035
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,360
to work in the room and just say
that's fine, stay in the room 

1036
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,360
I'm good I'm I can go downstairs
I'll text you I'll let you know 

1037
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,400
if I go anywhere else like, you 
know and, and it just and it 

1038
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,520
evolves into that because. 
I wasn't being afraid like 

1039
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,720
someone was going to like, pick 
me up and rape me. 

1040
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:50,360
Mine was more, yeah, just fear 
of the unknown. 

1041
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,360
I'm not good at news stuff. 
I don't do well with change like

1042
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,160
bring, bring that on slow, bring
that. 

1043
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,080
Slow. 
Nobody that meets my wife would 

1044
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,680
ever guess that she's an 
introvert. 

1045
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,520
But she's very much like you. 
Until she knows people. 

1046
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,080
She's 100% faking it and she 
would rather not. 

1047
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,760
She'd rather go and just be by 
herself. 

1048
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,800
But she forced herself. 
But once she knows somebody, 

1049
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,720
there's no off switch, right? 
And then she feels like she can 

1050
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,840
be in that space and make those 
connections. 

1051
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,240
And and for me, like that fear 
of the unknown, I'm going to ask

1052
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,800
1000 questions. 
I'm not good at that. 

1053
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,080
Oh no, I'm going to ask 1000 
questions. 

1054
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,680
I'm. 
Probably going to latch on to 

1055
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,320
one or two of you and be like, 
hi guys. 

1056
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,240
Listen, I'm still asking 
questions. 

1057
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,040
I just sent a message. 
I'm like, where do I need to be 

1058
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,120
later? 
And what do I need to be 

1059
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,640
wearing? 
Like just tell me. 

1060
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,880
Another T-shirt says massive 
white cock. 

1061
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,160
Don't you? 
I'm just saying give. 

1062
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,320
That to me they'll be surprised 
when they see it. 

1063
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:53,920
It's an oxy is actually a small 
black cock instead of a massive 

1064
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,680
white 1. 
You know so so I have to ask. 

1065
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,720
So since you've been here before
we wrap up, I know you're saying

1066
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:08,120
like for you as a bull trying to
get, trying to give her the 

1067
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,000
space to have fun. 
Have you made any adjustments 

1068
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,200
since you start? 
Since you got here, Yeah. 

1069
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,680
This isn't our first rodeo. 
We've done this at some other 

1070
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:23,640
events and I've had to be the 
aggressor and go out and make 

1071
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,000
the connection. 
Invite, you know, invite the 18 

1072
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,680
minutes, come on over to room 
412 or whatever. 

1073
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:34,280
You know, I've since we've been 
to this mocha in particular, 

1074
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,880
I've had to, you know, just 
step. 

1075
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,880
Back and let. 
Conversations happen, I've seen 

1076
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,440
them happen and I've seen me 
come into the picture and just. 

1077
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,240
Are you standing in the 
background like a security 

1078
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:51,840
guard? 
I tend to have target security 

1079
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:52,680
vibe. 
Don't do. 

1080
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,920
That pro tip? 
Don't do that, this guy. 

1081
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,680
Well, he he heard me yesterday. 
Fucking. 1st event like someone 

1082
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,800
walked because I I even used to 
tell him like daddy, no one 

1083
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:09,320
wants to talk to us because you 
look scary you're standing back 

1084
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,920
in the corner like this and 
you're catching my clothes like 

1085
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,160
Oh yeah that's my wife I'm like 
OK, but then no one wants to 

1086
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,600
fuck that and I'm. 
Like I I want that one. 

1087
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,560
I mean, I like, I like a little 
scary, but no, I mean not. 

1088
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:23,960
That's not everybody's thing. 
So so. 

1089
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,960
To answer the question, it's 
it's a constant evolutionary 

1090
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:36,480
process. 
I don't want her to do something

1091
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,440
with her body. 
That's my like, I want to see 

1092
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,360
her with another man, but I 
don't want to push her into it. 

1093
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,920
I want her to be like, yeah, I 
want, I want to do that. 

1094
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:51,840
And last night we had that 
experience and it was, how did 

1095
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,440
it go? 
She's like, I'm like, do you 

1096
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,920
want to be with this guy? 
And she's like, do I want to be 

1097
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:57,720
with this guy? 
And I'm like. 

1098
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,440
That's. 
Behind me, I don't know, I was 

1099
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:05,800
doggy. 
But I'm trying to. 

1100
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,760
You're like, this is fine, yeah.
So it's a constant evolutionary 

1101
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:15,960
and learning process, I think. 
But I think to make meaningful 

1102
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,520
connections, I think you're on 
target. 

1103
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,400
You know, I've got to be able to
say, hey, I like that dude, 

1104
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,680
could you let him know it's OK? 
Yeah. 

1105
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,280
Yeah, and and don't stand in the
background like a security guard

1106
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,160
when they start talking. 
Like you said, I came in the 

1107
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:32,840
door, there was a conversation 
happening. 

1108
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,760
I had a hard U-turn. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1109
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,680
But what about the opposite? 
What about women who want to 

1110
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,520
work for a kid? 
Yeah, we have a program. 

1111
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,200
We have a whole plan. 
So he's allowed to do anything 

1112
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,520
he wants, anytime he wants, and 
he will. 

1113
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,520
Solo a lot. 
So when we come to this 

1114
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:57,160
environment, hot wife he comes 
to, for me to have the weekend, 

1115
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:01,280
to have experiences and to have 
him with me so that I feel 

1116
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,000
comfortable having those 
experiences with strangers. 

1117
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:09,040
Target security. 
And until I think, until he can 

1118
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:14,760
see that I can relax and do this
better than, I mean, I used to, 

1119
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,920
we used to do this all the time.
I mean, I just haven't done it 

1120
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,560
for a long time. 
So he rolls solo when he's here.

1121
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,600
I often say, hey, you know, why 
don't you go back downstairs and

1122
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,640
you know, or whatever. 
But he won't because he's 

1123
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,640
waiting for me to open up. 
It takes practice though. 

1124
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,160
It takes practice to be a few 
rounds. 

1125
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,280
When we first got together our 
practice was I fucked one of his

1126
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,480
friends, right? 
That's what we've been. 

1127
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,160
It sounds exciting, OK, but I 
was fucking terrified. 

1128
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,080
It was a girl 1st and I cried. 
I mean I won't admit that to 

1129
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,520
very many people but here we 
are. 

1130
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,560
I definitely cried but it was 
also one of his ex girlfriends. 

1131
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:53,920
We like fucked up shit 
sometimes. 

1132
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,640
So I was like you know what, 
I'll do it, it's fine. 

1133
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,760
But for me, I've never seen him 
fuck anybody else before so I 

1134
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:00,920
didn't know what was going to 
happen. 

1135
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,920
And I was vanilla before. 
I'm kind of I was this whore, 

1136
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,720
but vanilla just didn't know 
there was lifestyle and they're 

1137
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,920
playing and they kissed a little
too long and I got pissed off 

1138
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,280
because that's what I do. 
I picked up on my clothes on. 

1139
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,000
I was like, apparently this is 
for you guys. 

1140
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,360
And I started crying in the he 
was like, no, no, no, no, this 

1141
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,160
is for you da da da da. 
And I was then I go home the 

1142
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,160
next day because I'm super 
prideful and I was so 

1143
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,360
embarrassed. 
Like I didn't, I didn't even 

1144
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,160
know if I was going to talk to 
him again because I was so 

1145
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,480
embarrassed. 
She knew she was going to talk. 

1146
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,480
I didn't. 
Know that we broke up. 

1147
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,240
She absolutely she. 
Absolutely knew we move on to we

1148
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,280
got over that part. 
Then he's like, I want you to 

1149
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,520
fuck my friend. 
And I was excited to fuck his 

1150
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,880
friend and I had to have 
threesome with two other guys. 

1151
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,600
But now it's somebody I cared 
about, you know, probably guys. 

1152
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,760
I'm at the bar and I'm like, 
yeah, let's go fight, you know, 

1153
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,160
can I bring my friend? 
Sure. 

1154
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:59,280
But I, we start playing and I 
fucking panicked. 

1155
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,480
I'm sucking the guy's Dick. 
He's hot as fuck. 

1156
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,880
He walks out of the room and I'm
like, oh fuck, he's mad. 

1157
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,240
So now I can't concentrate. 
Like I still did it. 

1158
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:09,960
Don't get me wrong, I still did 
it. 

1159
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,960
But when he came back in the 
room, it was like a sense of 

1160
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,200
relief. 
Like even though I said like, 

1161
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,120
are you mad? 
And he's like, no, I'm not upset

1162
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:17,560
at all. 
But I couldn't believe I had to 

1163
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,520
convince myself that he wasn't 
going to be upset. 

1164
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,800
And the more I did, he wasn't 
going to be upset. 

1165
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:26,120
I mean, I still hold back until.
Long time, yeah, but it is it. 

1166
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,320
Life is tit for tat. 
I ask you to do something that's

1167
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,600
way the fuck outside of what's 
reasonable. 

1168
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:34,440
You do it. 
You were. 

1169
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,640
Wild to realize that he means. 
It but but here's the thing, 

1170
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,240
it's my job to prove it. 
I have to prove to you that I'm 

1171
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:47,360
OK with it. 
So my usual resting Dick face 

1172
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,000
and my usual just blah blah 
personality. 

1173
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,760
Every time she did something, 
enjoyed it, I made sure that I 

1174
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,200
did something to show her that 
not only am I not upset, but I'm

1175
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,920
happy. 
So it became a rewarding system 

1176
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,840
over a period of time so that 
you understand. 

1177
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,720
Because most often times, you 
know, as dudes, we will say, 

1178
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,520
yeah, we want you to do 
something while our Dick is 

1179
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,480
hard. 
And then as soon as we bust a 

1180
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,280
nut, it's like, yeah. 
Listen, and the fact that he 

1181
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,240
told me I was a good girl every 
time, I was like, I'm fucking 

1182
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,080
doing that 10 more times if 
that's the treatment that I get.

1183
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,120
So and. 
That's why it takes some of us 

1184
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,120
1012 years. 
To get right but that like I 

1185
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:33,040
said, you have to I he tells me 
everything and he I can't tell 

1186
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,760
you a time. 
He's lied to me so he couldn't 

1187
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,720
understand for years why I 
didn't believe him though. 

1188
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:44,040
It's such a social programming 
that this is not the way life is

1189
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,360
supposed to be. 
I don't think mine was that. 

1190
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,440
I just think I couldn't figure 
out why I couldn't believe him. 

1191
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,040
I don't know why and he couldn't
understand why. 

1192
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:53,640
Yeah. 
Mostly. 

1193
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,920
Social programming, I would get 
frustrated personally because 

1194
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,000
I'm like, when we first met, I 
had like four other girlfriends.

1195
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:06,920
You know, I am, I was, I was 
brutally honest. 

1196
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:11,200
Like I use my honesty as a club 
the first six months of us being

1197
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,880
together. 
You know, honestly, from my 

1198
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,680
standpoint for conditioning, you
know, there was times when she'd

1199
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,440
say, well, I can't believe you 
said it like that. 

1200
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,560
And I'm like, you want me to lie
because the second you tell me 

1201
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,160
you want me to lie about 
something, you want me to lie 

1202
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,360
and say that I don't think that 
dress makes you look like shit. 

1203
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,240
I can lie to you. 
But if I lie to you Now here's 

1204
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,000
the problem. 
You're giving me the power to 

1205
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,400
determine when I need to lie to 
you. 

1206
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,760
So when I fuck your sister and 
not tell you what not to hurt 

1207
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,200
your feelings, it was it was it 
was not to hurt your feelings 

1208
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,520
because you said, don't I need 
to determine when to lie to you.

1209
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,120
So you want me to be honest or 
you don't. 

1210
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,920
So we started creating that 
relationship where we had 

1211
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,640
honesty and then she started 
learning that she could be 

1212
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,440
honest back. 
And it was like there was a time

1213
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,560
she'd be honest and go, oh, that
I hurt your feelings and no. 

1214
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,520
And then she'd be honest that it
hurt your feelings. 

1215
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:04,800
No. 
So our our foundation was was, 

1216
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,480
but I didn't. 
Realize you didn't have very 

1217
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,760
many feelings either, so it 
wasn't very hard to hurt them. 

1218
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:09,840
And. 
When you got that from the 

1219
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,920
beginning, you know, when you 
you can build from the very 

1220
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,520
base, Yeah, it's a different 
ball game from when you thought 

1221
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,320
like 10 years of expected 
monogamy and then all of a 

1222
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:25,560
sudden it's like, you know, 
maybe we should try this and 

1223
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,160
then you try to build. 
Like honestly mine, I really 

1224
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,720
don't feel like mine was any of 
that because when I tell you I 

1225
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,560
was a full on whore beforehand, 
she was a freak. 

1226
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,200
I was doing all kinds of stuff 
and gave 0 fucks. 

1227
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,920
I just wasn't telling anyone, so
it was literally just me because

1228
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,760
I like to overthink things and 
make up scenarios because that's

1229
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:48,520
just the best way to be. 
In the beginning I was like 

1230
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:52,400
fucking 13 strippers in the 
backyard and I just took the 

1231
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,240
trash out. 
It's easy to do that. 

1232
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,320
Evolution thing, you know, it's 
not just evolution to get to a 

1233
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,120
comfortable place. 
It continues throughout your 

1234
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,640
entire relationship. 
My wife and I started when we 

1235
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,200
were dating 30 years ago. 
I brought her into the lifestyle

1236
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,080
because I knew she'd just take 
two like a fish to water. 

1237
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,840
And now we, we still have to do,
you know, check insurance with 

1238
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,000
each other because what she 
likes today will be very 

1239
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,360
different than what she liked 
five years ago, 10 years ago, 20

1240
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:17,840
years ago. 
So it's. 

1241
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,480
Definitely changes, yeah, 
absolutely. 

1242
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,440
Yes. 
I mean, we went from, we are, 

1243
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,760
we've done. 
Yeah, we've transitioned a lot 

1244
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,400
and that's that right there is 
probably one of the truest 

1245
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:35,000
statements you'll ever hear. 
And I say often she is the she's

1246
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,200
the person that the aspect of 
the lifestyle that she brought 

1247
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,680
to me was understanding the 
importance of constantly 

1248
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,560
renewing our status. 
Where are we now? 

1249
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:49,440
What's your fantasies? 
And then being comfortable 

1250
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,680
telling each other, like I 
remember like in the beginning 

1251
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,360
I'm like, tell me your 
fantasies. 

1252
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,880
And we'd be talking and I'd be 
freaking her out. 

1253
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,160
And then we got to this point 
where like she pretty much, I 

1254
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:01,680
told her all this stuff, she 
told me all the stuff. 

1255
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,680
And then I'm like, one day we're
talking and she's like, yeah, I 

1256
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,640
got fantasies that I don't think
you can handle. 

1257
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,080
I'm like, who are you talking 
to? 

1258
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,360
I'm that guy. 
I can handle anything. 

1259
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,120
Then she told me the fantasy. 
I was like, whoa, whoa. 

1260
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:16,680
OK. 
All right. 

1261
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:18,800
Holy shit. 
Like you. 

1262
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:19,760
You. 
Want it completely. 

1263
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,200
Yeah. 
Like, I was like, yeah. 

1264
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,640
I'm going to tell you some shit.
Now I'm like, OK, don't freak 

1265
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,200
out, don't freak out, don't 
freak out. 

1266
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,800
You know, like. 
Circuit performers and dancing. 

1267
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:29,800
Bears. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1268
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,080
OK. 
I would say that evolution 

1269
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,880
happens that even when you least
expect it, while, you know, 

1270
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,360
trying to push some boundaries, 
we discovered that she's a 

1271
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,240
voyeur accidentally. 
I'm a cut. 

1272
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,040
Queen and she's watching. 
Me, I'd love to send them out 

1273
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:51,760
and have them come home dirty. 
She was, she was watching me 

1274
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,600
through a fence and discovered, 
you know, kind of discovered 

1275
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,920
this whole thing. 
And sometimes it happens like 

1276
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,440
that for us, you know, she gets 
on our head and I'm going to. 

1277
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:02,560
That wasn't bad, you know what 
I'm saying? 

1278
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,320
So that's pretty good through a 
fence being. 

1279
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:12,240
Open to new experiences also 
helps that evolutionary process.

1280
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,400
Very much. 
I think we evolved. 

1281
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,800
We didn't think we could evolve 
any further. 

1282
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,960
And after all of my medical 
stuff last year, it took him a 

1283
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,080
while to believe me. 
So it wasn't just me. 

1284
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:28,160
We we flip-flopped here because 
I'm telling him I can't fuck you

1285
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,080
and it it bothers me because I'm
a submissive. 

1286
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:32,880
She's like going on get your 
Dick sucked. 

1287
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,400
I don't mean that. 
I said I don't care if you have 

1288
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,280
a girlfriend, I'll be super 
emotional for a second. 

1289
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,080
I said I feel like I can't 
sexually satisfy you right now, 

1290
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,480
which is always been what I've 
been able to do. 

1291
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,600
If I can't do anything else, I 
can do that. 

1292
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,080
And it bothered me too because 
I'm super submissive to him. 

1293
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,360
So I did not like that I can't. 
My pussy's broken. 

1294
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,440
Like I don't know what to do. 
So I told him, I kept telling 

1295
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,160
him, Daddy, you don't have a 
girlfriend, go play, go play, go

1296
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,240
play. 
Because first of all, if I don't

1297
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,720
get enough Dick, I'm in a 
fucking terrible mood. 

1298
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,960
OK, free sample. 
Just pump me full of cum and I'm

1299
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,480
good to go. 
You know, I feel better. 

1300
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,160
So I just told him go get a 
girlfriend. 

1301
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,480
I don't care what you do this, 
that and the other for months he

1302
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,400
wouldn't do anything. 
He was like, no, I'm not going 

1303
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,840
to. 
And I'm like daddy go. 

1304
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,160
And he because he couldn't 
believe that that's really what 

1305
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:25,760
I wanted him to do. 
But I did. 

1306
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,800
I know you at that point in 
time, you proved me enough that 

1307
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,600
we're going to be together. 
Whether or not you have a 

1308
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,360
girlfriend, 15 hoes on the side,
I don't care. 

1309
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,360
You're still coming home to me. 
But she got me with logic. 

1310
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,120
She and I'm going to close out 
with how she got me. 

1311
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,920
She explained to me that it's 
not. 

1312
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:50,280
It's not fair for me to 
basically call her too weak to 

1313
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:56,680
handle what she's asking for. 
So she felt like I have the 

1314
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,960
right for you to do what I give 
you permission to do and at 

1315
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,600
least give me an opportunity to 
prove you that I can handle it. 

1316
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,600
And I told, I told him I was 
proud of myself because I feel 

1317
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,560
like I hadn't pushed boundaries 
for him in a long time. 

1318
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,360
He pushed a lot of boundaries 
for me. 

1319
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,520
And I kind of stopped because of
where we were. 

1320
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,600
And I was like, you know, I'm 
trying to push boundaries for 

1321
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,040
you. 
And I feel like we're going 

1322
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:19,520
somewhere. 
But you're getting upset at me 

1323
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,920
because I pushed boundaries. 
So are are you going to do it? 

1324
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,240
And just I'll be uncomfortable. 
Any new boundary is going to be 

1325
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:27,880
uncomfortable. 
Nothing's going to be fun. 

1326
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,479
I mean, it might be. 
That's just what you want, but 

1327
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,120
it's not all. 
It's because it's the unknown. 

1328
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,439
You don't know what's going to 
happen. 

1329
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,359
You don't know how you're going 
to feel when you see it, when 

1330
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:39,399
you whatever happens. 
But at that point, I was like, 

1331
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:41,359
you work with it. 
Yeah, I'm going to be fine 

1332
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either way. 
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So. 
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for joining us. 
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that was that was great. 
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we are O faces OFACEZ. 
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we're we're doing new, new 
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So check us out and we do 
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So if you want to get on with us
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ask questions, feel free. 
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And you're looking like you 
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