1 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:12,280 Hello and welcome to another episode of Old Faces. 2 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,840 I'm your host Mr. Mocha. And on today's podcast we're 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,840 going to be talking about rejection. 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:23,600 We're going to be joined by Mr. Minx D Dimitri, VC. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,720 We're going to be joined by Socrates. 6 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,840 We're going to be joined by Mike C from Keys and Anklets and our 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:39,120 guest speaker is going to be Sir Walter Doyle, we just call him 8 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,040 Doyle. We are really looking forward to 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,600 hanging out with you guys today. This is a subject that we've had 10 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,160 different challenges with. We've talked about it, but we've 11 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:54,880 never really got any great answers or great responses to 12 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,560 it. And I have to say, I think we 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,040 got the very best response from my boy Doyle. 14 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,920 So everybody's going to join us here in a moment. 15 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:08,600 So stay tuned. But before we get started, just 16 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,040 remember, if you enjoy listening to old faces, please go and like 17 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,480 and subscribe. That is OFACEZ wherever you get 18 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,520 your podcast. Also, we ask that you follow 19 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,360 like and retweet us on Twitter and here we go. 20 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:35,680 What's going on? Everybody? 21 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,240 Welcome again the old faces. I see we got some people on 22 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:42,800 hanging out with us tonight already. 23 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:49,960 I see Socrates, I see Sir Walter Doyle, AKA Doyle. 24 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,720 I see Juicy and Mr. Minx has just jumped in to join us. 25 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:03,480 We'll have Demetrio on in a minute as well as Mike C, but 26 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,240 we're going to get it started out and I'm going to wait for 27 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,360 everybody to come in and get to the good stuff. 28 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,920 So let's just go down the list. Hey, Hey, Juicy, I see you on 29 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:15,600 there. How you doing? 30 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,960 I always appreciate you hopping in the chat with us. 31 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,000 And there's Dee. Just Dee just jumped in. 32 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:26,400 So Sir Walter Doyle, jump in and introduce yourself. 33 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,040 We're not going to get on top of yet, but I want you to introduce 34 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,920 yourself. Greetings and salutations 35 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:37,680 everyone. I'm Doyle and you guys have seen 36 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,760 me pop in and out of these podcasts for a while, and this 37 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,960 time I'm actually going to be on the mic and not just typing, so 38 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,400 I look forward to the conversation. 39 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,440 All right. Next up, Socrates, introduce 40 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,240 yourself and guys, make sure if you're not speaking, please mute 41 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,800 your microphones because we catch all of your background 42 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,040 noise. What's good? 43 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,600 Can you guys hear me? I'm on my car speaker. 44 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:08,440 You are loud and clear. What's good everybody? 45 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,400 Socrates, I'm excited about this subject because we know we've 46 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,800 been talking about it so. All right. 47 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:23,320 And everybody knows Mr., Minx and Dimitri, but you guys might 48 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,280 as well go ahead and say hi to the people. 49 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,720 Oh, there we go, My mic working now. 50 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,640 It's working. OK, hey everybody. 51 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,920 Chris Minx. I am the stag husband of Angel 52 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,120 Minx who a lot of you may know from her social media presence, 53 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:52,200 videographer, editor, cameraman, lifestyle husband for the last 54 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,960 almost 20 years now and most recently Co host podcast with 55 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,160 Mr. Mocha on the Old Face podcast. 56 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,280 Hey, what up everybody? It's Dimitri here. 57 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:11,680 Y'all got to excuse me because I'm still like, sick bear with 58 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,040 me, I'm fighting it. But we're getting together. 59 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,240 Shout out to Socrates to get this going for us too. 60 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,680 Thank you. All right, so now that now that 61 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:26,200 we're on here, Doyle, I need you to jump in and and lay down how 62 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:31,560 this conversation began. Because he he says something. 63 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:36,480 He broke this down to to me in a way that is was was very new for 64 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,480 me because I I've complained before. 65 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,840 Oh, you know, everybody talks shit when I say the the whole 66 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:45,520 rejection conversation. I think, like in a lot of 67 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,080 situations, I'm kind of hard on things and you know, he gave me 68 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,720 a slap in the face today. Doyle, you're up. 69 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,600 All right, so to pick up where we left off, I think we need to 70 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,640 to take a step back. A little while ago was at the 71 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,920 house and me and Mr. Moko were talking. 72 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,080 We were talking about our childhood, our upbringing and 73 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:17,520 stuff like that, and it got the conversation shifted towards 74 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,600 self-confidence and where that came from. 75 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,920 How intricate his father was to his life and my lack thereof and 76 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,240 all of that stuff. And one of the things we I 77 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,920 walked away from that conversation thinking is at his 78 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,480 most primal, at his lowest self, most vulnerable. 79 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,160 He loves him. He was instilled with a very 80 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:50,560 deep, strong love of himself and confidence in who he is, and I 81 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,960 envy that because I haven't always had that. 82 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,160 So to Fast forward to the conversation today we we got 83 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,640 into a conversation. He was talking about rejection 84 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,680 and why people don't take it a certain way. 85 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:11,200 And I said, well think about it. If in your heart of heart you 86 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,240 love yourself, when you put yourself out there and you talk 87 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,800 to somebody and they reject you, your thought process is well, 88 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:19,880 they don't know what they missing. 89 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,000 I know I love me. They just didn't see what was in 90 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,520 front of them. That's easy for you to walk 91 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,720 away. But if that's your basic at your 92 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,240 most primal, you do not love yourself. 93 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,320 You hate yourself. Your demons are constantly in 94 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,240 your ears saying you're worthless. 95 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,120 You're you're garbage. You you have no reason. 96 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,640 Nobody should ever love you. If you build up your confidence 97 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,400 to try to talk to somebody and they reject you, they just 98 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,040 confirmed everything your demons have been telling you all along. 99 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,680 So it's a little bit harder for that person to then bounce back 100 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,000 from rejection because that person has already been rejected 101 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,000 a billion times by themselves on a day-to-day basis. 102 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,640 So it's not as easy for that person to go, oh, she's missing 103 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,640 out on a good thing or oh, he doesn't. 104 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,280 He doesn't see what's in front of him. 105 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,000 He doesn't see this prize because that person is thinking, 106 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,080 Yup, see, that's just another example that I'm garbage. 107 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,680 I always was garbage. I was never worthy of love. 108 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:30,320 And it just starts that spiral. And so I don't think that that's 109 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,200 a gender, that part of it is a gendered thing. 110 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,360 Think that's male, female, regardless if you don't have 111 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,520 that strong self love and that strong. 112 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,200 I know the word but it's escaping me right now to fall 113 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,200 back on. It's easy to fall into this 114 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,760 downward spiral of self loathing, self hatred and 115 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,920 whoever you're talking to picks up on it and if they then reject 116 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,720 you, you just go further down the rabbit hole. 117 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:06,000 Now I think what it is gendered is males when they're rejected 118 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,600 May strike out more violently or may have more anger and all of 119 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:16,760 that where females may respond the way that they respond, I 120 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,040 think the response is more gendered. 121 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:26,320 But that initial feeling of rejection and that confirmation, 122 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,760 if you don't have a strong self love, then that's regardless. 123 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,200 And so that's that kind of set Mr. Moak off and he started. 124 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,200 He started falling in love with the concept. 125 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,000 Yeah, yeah. It was, you know, before I even 126 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,800 jump in to go along with what you said, because there's so 127 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,880 much, there's so much take away. There was so much take away when 128 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:57,120 when you broke that down to me. And there was another side of 129 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:03,760 it, Socrates and I had a conversation where it was where 130 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:09,040 he was breaking down. How people have challenges when 131 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,920 they haven't found the the place that the place that they want to 132 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,600 be. Socrates, you're on here, man. 133 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:16,560 You you talk. Don't. 134 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,000 Why am I talking? You talk. 135 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,680 Yeah, First off, I want to say Doyle. 136 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,320 Fire brother. Mr. Mocha explained it right, 137 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,760 man. The way you explained it was 138 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,440 eloquent fire. I want to add a few things and 139 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,440 then I'll. If you don't, if you don't mind, 140 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:36,360 I'll go talk about what you were talking about. 141 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,320 Sometimes your demons aren't telling you, oh, you're a piece 142 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:42,720 of shit. You're not worthy. 143 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,560 You're not. I identify with your story, 144 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:49,000 Doyle, because my demons are saying I'm all right. 145 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,720 It was never saying you're terrible. 146 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,960 You're this. My demons were like, I'm all 147 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,320 right. So whenever I look to approach 148 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,960 them, a woman, especially in the lifestyle and I didn't feel 149 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,920 like, I felt like she was, you know, you know, out of my 150 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,080 league. That's one of the first 151 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,840 conversations me and Mr. Mocha had is being out of your league. 152 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:15,760 That's when my demon kicked in. Like bro who you think you are, 153 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,040 like you need to stay in your own lane. 154 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,040 So I just wanted to add that. And then the second thing on 155 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,760 what you were saying as far as the difference between men being 156 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,200 rejected and women being rejected, those are all fire 157 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,560 points. I just wanted to add two men get 158 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:36,760 rejected way more than women. So it's one of those things 159 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,320 where you have to face those demons more often, but women 160 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:43,720 also have a hard time with it because they're not as used to 161 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,120 it, right? They do get rejected, but not as 162 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,160 often. Yeah, they don't have the 163 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,320 equipment for it. Exactly. 164 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,040 I've seen that. I've seen some women flip out 165 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,240 because they didn't know what to do with it. 166 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,920 But yeah, as far as, like what you were saying, Mr. Mocha, it's 167 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:06,000 like I come from it. From a point of like, if you 168 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,840 don't have those skills to do all of it, to get from zero to 169 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:15,240 play or zero if you're in a vanilla relationship or zero to 170 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,960 be in a relationship with her or zero and just trying to hit it, 171 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,400 I was like, I felt inadequate. You feel inadequate. 172 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:27,280 You're like, what? What can I do in these scenarios 173 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:33,120 where I might not measure up or I might not be as tall enough? 174 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,240 Like, I remember a situation where Mike Z was approached by 175 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,960 this really tall woman, hot wife. 176 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,720 And I love tall women and I'm 6 foot, but I might see. 177 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,360 So she approached him and she was like, oh, she gave him a 178 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,320 hug. She's like, oh, I just love tall 179 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:55,040 men. And just walked away and 180 00:11:55,640 --> 00:12:00,640 shivered and everything. I told myself I ain't got it, so 181 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,720 I left it alone. And it wasn't till the end of 182 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,600 the weekend that they approached me. 183 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,880 And they were like, hey, we used to really, you know, want to get 184 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,000 to know you this and that. And I was like, oh, I thought I 185 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,680 wasn't qualified because I'm not 6-7, you know, And that's what 186 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:19,000 my demons do. That's what I look at all the 187 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,880 time. It is that something that that 188 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,080 make, how can I ask you, is that something that makes you not 189 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:36,360 approach because your fear of the rejection that your fear? 190 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,360 Yeah. Yeah. 191 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,000 OK. Like Doyle said, like for me, 192 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,440 it's not, I don't have those kind of demons, but it's like, 193 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,400 it's like, yeah, the first thing I made-up in my head is I'm too 194 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,080 short. You know, first thing I made in 195 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:58,440 my head is whatever my lack of skill or lack thereof, that's 196 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,720 the first thing that goes to my head. 197 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:04,320 It's like oh OK, I'm not, you know, any of these dark skinned 198 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,320 brothers. Now, you know, I used to. 199 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:09,360 I'm from the elder barge. I'm from the Elder Barge. 200 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:20,040 For. A long time. 201 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,560 I'm not light skinned, but I'm not like dark, right? 202 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:27,520 So it's like, oh man, she liked them dark brothers, you know, It 203 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:29,240 is anything, anything. I'm not. 204 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,760 That's where my demons give me. And it tells me now you can't go 205 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,320 there. And you know what it does? 206 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,520 It lies to you. Because it's all what we're 207 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,080 learning. It's all about being your true 208 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,960 self. It's all about having 209 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,280 confidence. It's all about owning who you 210 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,920 are, right. I mean, we got brothers in here. 211 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,800 I don't know who it is, but I know we got a brother in there. 212 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,560 You might see him. And I think he's got make 213 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:56,840 cuckolds great again. And he might have a spandex on 214 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,680 and I don't know a clown knows or something, but he in there 215 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:05,160 like the most confident brother there is, right? 216 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,320 But our demons lie to us, Sam. Man, you too short for that. 217 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,240 Man, you ain't dark skinned enough or like man, you you a 218 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,040 mutt. Man, you ain't black, you black 219 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,600 Puerto Rican and this and that. You you don't know to speak 220 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,680 Spanish or English. Your your demons just go off on 221 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:20,080 you. Whatever it is, If you think 222 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,440 you're ugly or if you just think you need to stay in your own 223 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,760 lane. That's what my demons keep 224 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,640 telling me, brother. Stay in your own lane. 225 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,600 Socrates, who can I ask, where do you think those demons 226 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,680 originated from? Were they were they from back as 227 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,280 far as your childhood? Where that your your friends in 228 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,680 the neighborhood, you know, said these things to you or commented 229 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,760 about them? Or are these just self words 230 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,440 that if you've kind of formulated it and and created 231 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,360 into your own demons as you've grown up? 232 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,160 Well, welcome to Alice in Wonderland. 233 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,880 You just opened a can of worms. I'm going to take you down the 234 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,720 hole right here brother. So I know exactly where it comes 235 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,280 from because of this seminar going to called Landmark 236 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,120 Education and they hit on this. So I'll tell you exact story. 237 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,000 My dad was a drug dealer and him, between him and my my step, 238 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:16,440 his best friend, they ran all of the drugs from the Valley of LA 239 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,400 to Fresno. This is known. 240 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,000 They're both dead. This is all known and I'll tell 241 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,920 you that for a reason. So I was in the hood one time. 242 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,760 I was in this place called the Pierce Apartments in Pacoima and 243 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:31,000 that was in the hood and I was maybe like 12 or 13 and I was 244 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,960 and I was new to the hood. I was new. 245 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,480 I'm, I'm the new light kind of light skinned brother who speak 246 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,800 that Mexican on the block. That's what they said. 247 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,720 And so I had a bunch of women surrounding me and these girls, 248 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,320 I mean, from, I would say probably the age of 19 to 10. 249 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,280 We're like, oh, he cute. Oh, he's this, he's that. 250 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,480 Oh, we. And I was feeling myself. 251 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,720 I was like, oop, I'm about to get something tonight. 252 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,880 I'm only 12, but I'm about to get some pussy. 253 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,800 I'm about to be. I'm about to be on. 254 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,080 I kid you not. About 10 minutes later, one of 255 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:07,400 my dad's soldiers came through the neighborhood. 256 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,560 Now, my dad was a drug dealer, but he, he never allowed me to 257 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,480 do anything. I couldn't steal drugs. 258 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,480 I got $5 a month for my allowance. 259 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,200 So this dude came in on a Monday and back then, and you in the 260 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,600 hood, you got a you got a hoopty with rims. 261 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,760 So he had like a Monte Carlo with some datings, and he had 262 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,040 The Pioneers and he had the juice surrounding it. 263 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,560 And I'm telling you, the women sprinted away from me to him. 264 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,720 And at that moment I told myself in my head, you cute, but you 265 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,160 ain't good enough. And that was it. 266 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,280 That was the day. Wow. 267 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,000 Right there. And I did. 268 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,440 And it was 'cause of Doyle's conversation with Mr. Mocha that 269 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,680 I remembered that. And my whole life I'll be like, 270 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,360 stay on your lane, brother. You cute, But you ain't good 271 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,920 enough. My whole life. 272 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,080 And I just realized it today. Thank you, Mr. Doyle. 273 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,000 Mr. Doyle do. You have a similar upbringing 274 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:10,520 where the the self loathing or the the demons. 275 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:15,319 Grew their roots and then it developed over time. 276 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,720 Oh yeah, mine goes back way further than that. 277 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,880 And before I go into a little bit of mine, I want to start 278 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:27,839 with I am a firm believer in the thought process of when you've 279 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:32,880 been out of a situation longer than you were in that situation, 280 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:35,920 you can't use that as an excuse any longer. 281 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,440 But mine started literally with my mother and my father. 282 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,640 I was one of those classic. My mom was a teenage mother, my 283 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:52,200 biological and like left once he found out that she was pregnant. 284 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:59,040 But that was her first love. So my mother never loved. 285 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,520 Like, I won't say she never loved me, but my mother never 286 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:06,760 liked me because she blamed me for her losing her first love 287 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,600 boyfriend she got with my stepdad when I was selling 288 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:14,000 diapers. And this dude just, you know, he 289 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:19,160 was my mom was 18, he was 19. So this dude is like, yo, you 290 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,640 keeping me from my chick. I gotta, I gotta help deal with 291 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,440 with you. I'm a I'm a living, breathing 292 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,840 example that he wasn't her first and so my whole life my mother 293 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,360 was telling me I was ugly, that I was a garbage, that she should 294 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,560 have never had me. I was a load she should have 295 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,240 swallowed. Yes, I was a direct quote. 296 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:44,520 And he's following up with when he wasn't verbally abusive, he 297 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,800 was physically abusive. So my demons were all. 298 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,080 I've never had a chance like those were my demons. 299 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,120 Other people are hugged and kissed and told how worthy they 300 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:58,280 are by their parents. My first lullabies were. 301 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,320 I'm not that everybody's life would have been better if I had 302 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,680 never been born. Now I'm in my 40s. 303 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:10,000 My mom left him when I was 16. I've been out of that situation 304 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,640 way longer than I was in it, so I'm not using it as an excuse, 305 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,840 just. No, but not it's, you know, 306 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,440 that's a hand, you're a dealt. But they are critical 307 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,960 foundational pieces to how you have developed to where you are 308 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,960 today, right? Because that journey has, that 309 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,320 journey has been extensive obviously. 310 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,320 And it's taken a lot of self work on your own part to 311 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,000 recognize those foundational pieces where they started and 312 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,440 then deal with them so that you can live now, as you said, more 313 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,560 beyond it than you were in it. I think that's. 314 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,160 Incredible. Yeah. 315 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:55,000 And so a lot of times when I'm involved in conversation, a 316 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,120 corrupt person doesn't understand the concept of 317 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:02,080 somebody not being meaning a person who has always had that 318 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,880 self love. They don't understand the 319 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:09,360 concept of anybody not having, you know, a person who has never 320 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:11,760 thought of hurting themselves or taking their own lives. 321 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,920 They can't put themselves in the mind of somebody who has had 322 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,000 those thoughts. It is. 323 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,440 It's not a criticism, it's just a fact. 324 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,120 If you can, then you're just a special type of person. 325 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:31,800 And so and The funny thing is, even though those demons have 326 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:38,160 been in my ear since day one, I have dated some amazing people. 327 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,160 I have dated a couple of models and things like that. 328 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:46,320 So I have dated things that would tell us a regular person. 329 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,720 Like, dude, obviously your brain is wrong, because look at who 330 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,880 you're with. But my brain, my brain would 331 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,760 just think through it. Like, no, no, no, no, no, 332 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,640 They're not really here for me. They're they're here for. 333 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,360 And then you would you insert. Damn here. 334 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,840 Yeah. You know, you insert whatever. 335 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,640 Oh, they're just here because you got money. 336 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,400 Oh, they're just here because you got a car. 337 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,520 Oh, they're just here to make make their ex jealous, like. 338 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,240 OK, bro, Y'all been together for three years. 339 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,960 Like, let it go. She's here for you. 340 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,080 No, no, no, no, no. She's not here for me. 341 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,360 And it it took a lot of work to get beyond that. 342 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,920 How did you how did you get through that work, or who helped 343 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,080 you with that work, if you don't mind me asking? 344 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,240 Friends. Friends. 345 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:38,680 Loved ones, Co workers. Just a lot of different people 346 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,120 at a lot of different places and a lot of different times. 347 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:45,080 But sometimes it wasn't even you know a big huge let's get 348 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,680 grabbed 50 people and put him in a room and hold him down until 349 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,440 he sometimes it's the little things sometimes it's you know 350 00:21:52,440 --> 00:22:00,360 it's the all right There was this one shit that I looked at 351 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:04,240 her knew beyond a shadow of a doubt she was outside of my 352 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,640 league, right. So me and my brother outside of 353 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,960 a club in Atlanta and we've just seen her. 354 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,960 She used to be a dancer, but we've seen her out and she saw 355 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,840 us as she's walking into a different club. 356 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,960 And so she leans in the window and hugs my brother and she's 357 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,760 walking around the car, and as she's around the back of the 358 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,680 car, so she obviously can't hear us, he goes, you should just 359 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,960 grab her and kiss her. And I went, yeah, right, bro, 360 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,720 stop playing. Then she didn't open the door, 361 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:37,960 lean in and lay one on me. Little things like that. 362 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,480 It was like, all right, well, apparently I'm not, as I'm not 363 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,520 as much of A demon or a gargoyle as I thought I was. 364 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,440 And it's easy to slide out of those demons when times when 365 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,000 things like that happen. But the demons are the loudest 366 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:59,880 when you're alone. Well, Socrates and Doyle, I want 367 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,880 to say thank you. You know, thank you for this 368 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,440 very in dealt conversation. OK. 369 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,440 I hear music. That's all you are. 370 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,800 You you're you're echoing your feet. 371 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,800 You're you're sending feedback. Me. 372 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,440 OK, you clear now. Go ahead. 373 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,120 No, I want to thank Socrates and Dor for this in depth 374 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:25,600 conversation. And you know, I want to say Mr. 375 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,800 Mocha brought this conversation to me this afternoon and he was 376 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,960 talking to me about it and to be blood, I was like, what the fuck 377 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,960 are you talking about? I I I couldn't relate to it. 378 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:43,880 And but it was just so foreign and so different to me. 379 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,600 I was like, OK, let's be critical. 380 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,360 And I wanted to know more And I said, dude, we got to get these 381 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:51,800 guys on a podcast. I want to know more about this. 382 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,840 And so I I thank you guys for stepping up. 383 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,440 You know, I appreciate you greatly and also thank Chris 384 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:05,000 because he stole my questions. But as you said before, you had 385 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,360 friends that helped you guys, you know, rebuild that 386 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:11,760 confidence once they get you past the trauma. 387 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,040 What other tools that you're trying to use to stay out of the 388 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,120 rabbit hole when you start seeing those red flags? 389 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,760 This can either go for either Dora or Socrates. 390 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,600 Well, Dimitri, I just want to say thank you for the 391 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,880 acknowledgement. And I wanted to add one other 392 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,560 thing. It's like the way Mr. Mocha grew 393 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:39,080 up, he the way his father taught him and raised him. 394 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,400 I used to tell my son I'm jealous of you because I didn't 395 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,520 have the dad that I am. So it's like, you know, both of 396 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,520 my parents, my dad, my biological father came from 397 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,440 Vietnam. That fucked him up. 398 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:56,400 And then my stepdad was just, you know, drug dealer trying to 399 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,040 make it. He was a good guy besides 400 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,960 dealing drugs. And so I was always insecure. 401 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,320 Because they were both. In and out of my life because of 402 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,720 jail. So I never had a dad just sit 403 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,720 there and constantly raise me that way and then these 404 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,320 incidents come along and you let it allows your demons to to take 405 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,080 precedence and be like, well, your your demons say stay in 406 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,000 your lane, brother, stay in your lane and you don't have a father 407 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,880 to, you know, get that out of there. 408 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,360 But what I had to do is I read a lot of books, man. 409 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:29,720 I probably read and I'm not joking on the subject of women 410 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,160 and approaching women alone, 150 books on the subject. 411 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,560 And so I just had I I'm a nerd, so I read my way out of 412 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,400 everything, you know, our seminars or whatever. 413 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,200 But honestly, the biggest catalyst was my fiance and Mr. 414 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,960 Mocha. I don't, I don't mind saying I 415 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,840 was insecure when it came to going at a certain level or what 416 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,680 I thought women were above my, you know, I've had the same 417 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,200 thing to Doyle. I've dated, I've dated models, 418 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,240 I've dated beautiful women of all sorts. 419 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,960 But like I said, I always had that while they're with me 420 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,560 because I'm the nice guy and they're just taking a break with 421 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,640 me. You know I'm a passionate dude 422 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,600 and this and this and that or you know, yeah, I'm around all 423 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,480 these gangsters, but I'm I'm the guy that does the computer work 424 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,680 stuff. I don't, I'm, you know, I'm the 425 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,320 nerd. So they're just taking a break. 426 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,280 I had all these conversations. So all of the seminars and all 427 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:29,080 the books I've read kind of give you the tools to to self talk 428 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,840 your way out of it or understand certain things or. 429 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,160 A really good book is. Called The Game and it's just a 430 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,960 book on how to approach women and how to see them. 431 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,600 And you know, from anything from the Red Tail? 432 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,720 To. Pick up artists. 433 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,000 I read all of it because I was like, I don't want to be like 434 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,640 this. And I didn't have any role 435 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,280 models for me. All the dudes that were doing it 436 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,600 right were either lying and I just don't like lying to women, 437 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,960 or they were simply or do it. They weren't doing it in a way 438 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,680 that I appreciated, so I had to read it my way. 439 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:01,920 I don't. Right. 440 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,080 But you were seeking, you were seeking the role model. 441 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,160 Oh yeah, I think. That's pretty cool. 442 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,720 Juicy points out here. There's the Mr. Mocha. 443 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,000 There's Juicy's comment. It kind of goes along with what 444 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,200 Socrates is saying there. That part of gaining confidence 445 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,720 is by taking risks and chances. Mirror work, she calls it. 446 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaking positively to yourself daily in the mirror. 447 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,840 That's the you see a lot on Instagram. 448 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,320 I'm a good person, I'm positive I'm successful, you know those 449 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:35,000 those types of things. But that mirror work is a a 450 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,280 technique that I know counselors utilize quite frequently with 451 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,440 people to defeat these demons that these two guys have spent a 452 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,000 lifetime working through and and getting ahead of them. 453 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,920 Juicy, I'm going to send you a picture of my mirror. 454 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,200 I have me and my fiance have quotes on there that we read 455 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,960 every day, so that's good. Shit. 456 00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:00,880 I I agree on that. For me, working through it, it 457 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,480 was quite a few different avenues. 458 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,200 Mr. Mocha definitely is part of that because we've been, we've 459 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,200 been, we've been pimping since pimping since pimping like we've 460 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,800 been down like 4 flats for a long. 461 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,320 Time. Yeah, that this is. 462 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,680 That's why. That's why he was happy to slap 463 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,760 me around when I made that comment earlier about rejection, 464 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,520 you know, he said. Before the eloquence came in, 465 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,120 there was some choice words to make me shut the fuck up. 466 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,680 So please continue. I'm sorry. 467 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,560 But it's friends. And I also tried to do a quid 468 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,000 pro quo with this. For that something negative 469 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,400 starts to creep into my brain. I try to remember something 470 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,440 positive that would shut that negative up. 471 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,200 Like, oh, nobody wants you. Wait a minute, wait a minute, 472 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,840 wait a minute. You have an ex that still calls 473 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,840 you once a week even though she's engaged to try to get you 474 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,880 back. Oh, you're ugly. 475 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,760 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You used to date blah blah blah 476 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,520 blah blah. Oh, nobody cares. 477 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,840 Up, bruh, you. Your phone is constantly ringing 478 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,360 from friends and family members that just want to talk to you 479 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,000 because they enjoy your conversation. 480 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,520 And so a lot of that has helped negate it because it's OK You 481 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,560 want to know what? You're a liar. 482 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,120 You have to be a liar because I have XY and Z to prove that 483 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,800 you're a lion because I'm a very logical type person. 484 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:32,920 Or at least I try to at my best. So you both both you guys said 485 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,920 that you have dated models and beautiful women. 486 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,240 And of course, no, we all have been on that road. 487 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,200 And also I can this is not really like knocking anybody, 488 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,760 but I found some of the most prettiest and beautiful women to 489 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,200 be ugly once they open their mouths and say some dumb shit. 490 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,200 I agree. So with that being said, I'm 491 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,000 pretty sure you have these experiences with these beautiful 492 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,080 women. There had to be some women that 493 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,440 you have also rejected for whatever reason it may be. 494 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:10,240 So did you go into that reflection of, well, I'm going 495 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,480 to reject her, but I'm going to put it to a point where it's not 496 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,840 demeaning her or making her feel bad. 497 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,200 Or did you just gave the energy of, well, fuck it, I'm dating 498 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,960 beautiful women now. So it is what it is like were 499 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,080 you, are you still humble of your success and the person that 500 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,720 the stronger person that you are now because again, you know it's 501 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,360 a thin line. So you could be humble or you 502 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,320 could you could come on to be a monster. 503 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,440 So where do you stand there? Personally, I hate hypocrites. 504 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:47,440 And humility is at the top, at the top of my priority list, 505 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:54,800 because to me, nothing is uglier than somebody who went through 506 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,720 some type of struggle and then immediately forgot everybody 507 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,000 that was down at the bottom with them when they got up top or 508 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,760 similar people. So one of my magic powers has 509 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,240 always been the ability to put myself in somebody else's shoes. 510 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,200 So if you ask, if you were to ask some of the people that are 511 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,520 rejected, they may take, they may not say you know he was the 512 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:27,440 most eloquent, kind person, but I can guarantee you not a single 513 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,560 one of them can say that I was crass, rude or dismissive. 514 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,600 You know, I would at least make the attempt to make the 515 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,800 rejection as soft as possible. But that doesn't always that 516 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,160 doesn't always go the way that you want it to go because, oh, 517 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,000 I'm. I'm a straight person. 518 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,080 I've had to reject gay men. And even on that aspect, I try 519 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,800 to make the rejection as kind as possible, because being kind 520 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:04,880 costs nothing. So going going on with that, my 521 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:11,000 question is how do you handle, how do you see rejection now and 522 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,880 how do you handle it now? Yeah, that's a big thing for me 523 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,600 now. Well, So what me and my fiance 524 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,080 have been talking about is something called Aquacords, and 525 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,080 it's a Hawaiian concept about everybody having a connection 526 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,440 with somebody. It might be a small weak 527 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,680 connection just passing by or it might be your soul mate 528 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,640 connection, right? And we were talking about that 529 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,880 and I told her once I talked to you and you were telling me what 530 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,280 Doyle said. It happened for me immediately, 531 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,320 where it's like oh myself, Worth is not at all connected to her 532 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,680 decision making and I don't know why, but I feel like my 533 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,920 personality blinded me to see anything else then what it is. 534 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,760 She's just making a quick decision whether or not she 535 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:10,120 wants to, you know, do anything with you or approach you or give 536 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,160 you any signals or accept your advances. 537 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,920 So now I just look at it like like like we've always been 538 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,000 talking recently, like just be yourself. 539 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,560 There's nobody can be you better than you can. 540 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,880 And so now I'm just like, OK, I'm going to approach and if she 541 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,080 says no or is not interested in me, it used to be up. 542 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,360 Like Doyle said, confirms I I should stay in my lane. 543 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,320 What was I doing talking to her? She's got all these dudes 544 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,840 hollering at her. She's got the best top notch 545 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,520 guys in here after her or with her. 546 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,280 You stay in your lane. That's what he used to say. 547 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,680 Now. Now it just says, oh, she made a 548 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,440 she made a decision. And maybe it's probably the last 549 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,400 decision. Maybe it wasn't. 550 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,320 Who knows? Who cares? 551 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,720 I know what I bring to the table and I'm not for everybody, but 552 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,600 for those I am, I try to give it 100%. 553 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,040 I'm gonna lay it down. You gonna get all I got. 554 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,080 And I'm an experienced person. I'm not gonna. 555 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,480 There's there's every kind of fucking is great and every kind 556 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,000 of interaction is great. But I'm gonna give you an 557 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,760 experience. That's what I like. 558 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,639 If you want, you know, third, third leg, ##, dude, I'm not the 559 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,880 guy, you know? So now I'm just like, the way I 560 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,280 look at it now is I'm just here to connect with those who value 561 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,400 what I value. You value an experience. 562 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,000 I'm your man. You value black men. 563 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,480 I'm your man with a little bit of cinnamon. 564 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,560 Puerto Rican spice. I'm your God. 565 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,440 If you don't value that, then it's cool. 566 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,360 It's not connected to myself worth anymore. 567 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,840 Thanks to Doyle. Have you ever thought about the 568 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,520 rejection you get? It may be rejection for that 569 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:57,080 moment, like the clarity of let's say if she says not right 570 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,320 now and she really mean not right now, so she reject you, 571 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,400 but maybe she want to go get a break or maybe see you tomorrow. 572 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:12,480 I and she she do bring that post back to you to continue where 573 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,440 you left off from the rejection. Have you ever had that 574 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,400 experience or you just once you got rejected, you just 575 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,600 disappeared? Yeah, that's why I have had that 576 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,120 experience. And that experience also shapes, 577 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,480 shapes how I currently deal with rejection because a lot of 578 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,360 people have full on conversations between them and 579 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,080 groups of people in their heads and they in their mind, OK, 580 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,440 she's going to say this and then I'm going to say that and then 581 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,800 she's going to say this. But the issue is you never truly 582 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,000 know what a person is doing. And for all you know that that 583 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,520 person may be interested and they may be going through the 584 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,680 whole demon in their head saying girl you're not good enough for 585 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,200 him, you might you're not this, you're not that, you're not 586 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,920 this, you're not that. And it just takes them to build 587 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,720 up their confidence just a little bit to circle back around 588 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,000 and try to re engage with you. And so yeah, yeah, Once again, 589 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,160 it brings it back to that humility and that don't don't 590 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,200 talk yourself out of a a possible situation because you 591 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,160 jump in the gun based off of the conversation you had in your own 592 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,960 head. We. 593 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:26,960 Keep talking about. I. 594 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,000 Got a question? We we we keep talking about 595 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,640 rejection by women. I'm I'm wondering if you guys 596 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,200 feel a similar level of rejection by males and I'm not 597 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:45,880 talking in a sexual way but say you show up, forget I think 598 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,720 Socrates you were saying growing up with the drug dealers, right. 599 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:52,920 I think the the the the OG, the soldiers would show up and they 600 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,160 had all the respect, right. And you're, you go up and try to 601 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,280 hang with those guys and they would dismiss you usually 602 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,120 probably with some sort of derogatory like get out of here 603 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,680 Shorty, you know, or something. It's just the the feeling. 604 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,840 Of rejection from a male to be a part of the group, or whatever 605 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,760 it might be. Does that hit the same way as 606 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,040 rejection from a female? Does it sting more? 607 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,000 Does it sting less? I feel like it's for me, it's 608 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:26,200 things less because I don't know, maybe just because in a 609 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,480 woman, when a woman says I approve, right? 610 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,280 When they I accept your advances, that I feel like that 611 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,600 says a lot more about you as a whole as a person. 612 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:45,720 And then when the OG's would or any dude would I, I don't know, 613 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:49,360 maybe because I didn't have the trauma that I did with the woman 614 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,680 in that situation, I'm just like, OK, well, you know maybe 615 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,240 we're not the good time. You know, that was my first 616 00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:59,240 lesson in getting out the hood, because I was like, man, I've 617 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:01,520 had it all. I was like, I'm too, you know, 618 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,280 I'm coming. I used to live in. 619 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,640 I lived in New York with my grandmother, and she's Puerto 620 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,200 Rican. She spoke Spanish. 621 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,800 Now, I was so young, I didn't even know what that was. 622 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,280 And I moved back to LA I'm I'm I'm just you know I'm going to 623 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,240 say this word. I don't know how I know. 624 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:18,640 I don't know how we feel about this word. 625 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,440 This is what they say you you just a that speak that Mexican. 626 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,080 And it was like I was like what what is that? 627 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,200 I don't even know what you're talking about. 628 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,440 So I got. I got beat up. 629 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,760 OK cool. I got beat up several times 630 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,400 because the black gang especially Crips nothing against 631 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,600 craps. But I was in a blood 632 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,760 neighborhood they would beat me up because I'm I'm. 633 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:44,240 I'm they think I'm translating for the for the essays and the 634 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,320 essays would beat me up because I'm black you ain't supposed to 635 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,040 be. And they think I'm translating 636 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,920 for them you know so I I got all kind of rejection And then the 637 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,400 black women in my hood this is not all black women in my 638 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,080 neighborhood. They was like well you ain't got 639 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,520 no wad you ain't rolling no no dating you ain't driving the you 640 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,920 know this kind of car you ain't dressing and I couldn't because 641 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,440 my dad wouldn't let me. So then it was like they're 642 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,760 rejecting me. My only fail safe is I spoke 643 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,320 Spanish. So I was like Oh yeah Mommy I 644 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,880 can holler at the Mexican girls you know. 645 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:22,640 So that was about it. You people not want. 646 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:30,320 To go to LA, Yeah, get harder. And all these women, all these 647 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,880 women are lining up for for their for their future, right? 648 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,880 They're looking for, they're looking for who's going to be 649 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,040 their best provider and best protector. 650 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,280 They're not looking at any inequality about looks or 651 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,920 anything else. They're just like, who's going 652 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,760 to give them the best life? Exactly. 653 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,840 And I don't know if you're talking about the difference 654 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,840 between the cultures, but that's what it really is. 655 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,720 In the Hispanic culture. You're looking for a husband. 656 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,520 And it's not that black men are not and black women are not 657 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,800 looking for what husbands either. 658 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,000 I'm just saying it's embedded in them. 659 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,160 It's part of the culture. It's part of our culture. 660 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,880 And so they just like that they can, you know, they might like a 661 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,760 black man. But yeah, I get to have a black 662 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,560 man to bring to Iwilla and he can and they can have a 663 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,600 conversation. He understands our culture and, 664 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,080 you know, he doesn't feel, you know, uncomfortable. 665 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,640 Down and have them. You serve Cafe Cornlet and you 666 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,040 know, all of these little things. 667 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,200 And I was like, OK, I'll just go over here, you know? 668 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,440 But a dude is like, all right, that's cool. 669 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,800 I'll find another friend, you know? 670 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,640 That's cool. I'll find another dude. 671 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,440 It doesn't say anything about me if you don't like me, because I 672 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,760 can fight, you know, I'm pretty smart. 673 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,600 I'm all right. I I got your back. 674 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,360 I'm a loyal friend. It didn't really hit any of 675 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,280 those insecurities, but that one incident I told, I repeated it 676 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,360 to myself over and over That night. 677 00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:45,560 I literally said, oh, you ain't cute enough. 678 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,520 I remember that night and then every time a woman rejected me. 679 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,920 You keep saying you keep saying you you're not cute enough. 680 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,120 Have you ever thought about character? 681 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,360 Well I mean I I forced me to develop character. 682 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,440 But what my point is, like it's just a lie you like he said. 683 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,720 I like what Dora says, a demon. It's a lie in your ear just 684 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,960 telling you lies all the time. And so it's like of course I 685 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,160 developed character and of course I like I started 686 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,400 realizing that I just. I really wanted women of 687 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,080 character that's not worried about my money or my status or 688 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,320 anything but you still have that little demon like you said 689 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,400 telling those lies like Nah man, you ain't. 690 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,120 You still need to be you need to get the muscles like like Mr. 691 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,000 and then you you really you probably should start tanning 692 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,400 brother. You know this says that stuff 693 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,440 instead of maybe she she rejected me like you said. 694 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,480 Maybe it wasn't the time. Maybe she's. 695 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,800 Maybe she's into something else, but. 696 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,160 At a Third Point, you got to pick the struggle because you 697 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,320 can't be overweight, broke and an asshole. 698 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,920 You got to choose one. You know what I mean? 699 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,240 You got to pick. One, so I can't. 700 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:06,800 If. I don't got nothing else. 701 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,360 I got to have character but to to circle back around to the 702 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,320 original original question. For me, rejection was rejection, 703 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,680 regardless of whether it was a romantic thing or whether it was 704 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,880 inclusion into the group. But I will say this being 705 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,600 rejected by other men and, you know, being rejected out of 706 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,280 their groups. Did. 707 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,080 Cause me to become more of a Jack of all true. 708 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:40,400 And I kind of because of that I kind of noticed people like that 709 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,640 and sometimes it's definitely not a chosen thing. 710 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,560 Like I was a city boy you know grew up in Philly. 711 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,120 So when I moved down to Georgia some of the guys that I started 712 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,080 hanging out with down here they grew up in the South. 713 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,280 They haunted. They fished. 714 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,680 They they were in the guns. They were into all of that 715 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,680 stuff. So I was kind of at first 716 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,600 rejected out of that group because it's like all right we 717 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,280 talking about being out in the woods and seeing an 8 pointer 718 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,680 walk around the corner and I got and and getting that buck fever 719 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,880 and I'm looking at you like you crazy but that caused me to look 720 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:20,800 into it and to to in order to. Find assimilated. 721 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,480 Assimilated. Assimilated order to find a 722 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,760 common ground. And because of that I became a 723 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,440 Jack of all trades where you know, there's a few things and I 724 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,040 can have that. I never had that conversation. 725 00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:35,280 Go ahead. There are very few things you 726 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,360 can talk to Doyle about that he he doesn't know. 727 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,080 He says. Jack of all trades. 728 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,880 Like there's very few topics you can bring up that he doesn't 729 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,200 know a whole lot about. And I'm nerdy as fuck. 730 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,240 And there's sometimes like I'll be talking like what the? 731 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,040 Like I'm mad that he knows a bunch of shit that I don't know. 732 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,840 OK. Like I I'm like I thought I knew 733 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,440 this subject you know so legitimately like he is and and 734 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,640 it's it's interesting. He just said something that I 735 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,600 didn't know because he's one of the few people you know how 736 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,960 there are certain people who you're afraid to bring around 737 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,720 just anybody. He's the person I can bring 738 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:17,920 around anybody like he is. Doesn't matter what situation I 739 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,080 bring him into I know he's going to be good. 740 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:27,320 So that's actually I'm surprised to hear the part about the I 741 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,800 would never even thought that he'd had a hard time 742 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,280 assimilating, assimilating to the group of guys. 743 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,720 Because anytime he's, I mean it doesn't matter if we were around 744 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:42,960 strippers or around he's always been Doyle just cool and smooth. 745 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,480 So that's something I'm learning, something I developed. 746 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,720 It's something I developed. I mean, a lot of that male 747 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:54,320 rejection definitely was in my early 20s teenage years, but 748 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,520 that helped develop me to the point where I can talk sports. 749 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,680 I can talk hunting, I can talk fishing, I can talk anime, I can 750 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,520 talk manga, I can talk game, I can talk science. 751 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,360 Because I found myself in all of these different groups at 752 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,760 different points. So I forced myself to engage, 753 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,880 and if I don't know, I shut up and I learn and I listen and I. 754 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:22,280 Think it sounds like a survival technique actually well that you 755 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:28,160 actually utilized what was the challenge and and became the the 756 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,760 knowledge seeker that then you could utilize that to to turn 757 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,200 the turn the tables and make it work for you as an adaptation. 758 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,400 I mean it's it's incredible. Not everybody, not everybody 759 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,840 can, right. Not everybody can do that. 760 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,960 So here's my follow up to the question that I just asked and 761 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,480 how much of the growth and development comes along with 762 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,800 age, time and just miles under your feet on the earth. 763 00:45:55,240 --> 00:46:00,720 Now I know the panel here, you know with Dimitri and Mr. Mocha 764 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:03,920 and myself, we've been around the block a few a few years, 765 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,600 right. And I'm guessing looking at this 766 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,320 audience tonight, all of us are, have been, have been be in life 767 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,960 for a little bit a while. The stories that of the major 768 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:19,080 rejection the the hurt all these different things all happened in 769 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,120 in your earlier years. How much of just time and 770 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,960 experience in life you come to realize because I mean at at my 771 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,800 age now, I kind of like look at people and go, I don't care if 772 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,560 you fucking like me or not, right. 773 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,800 I'm here. You're going to either deal with 774 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:39,040 me or you're not, but I'm here and that's just comes from the 775 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,320 years of experience of being in a lot of different places. 776 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,560 Does that hold true for? Everybody else, you ever heard 777 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,000 the thing? The youth is wasted on the 778 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,280 young. Love that saying. 779 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,840 Absolutely love that saying. Yeah, 100 percent, 100. 780 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,360 Percent I want respect. I want the. 781 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,080 Everything. And I want the knowledges. 782 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,600 You don't get it until you get it. 783 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,960 It takes time. I want the knowledge I have now 784 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,960 with my 20 year old body. Yeah, so. 785 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,000 So do the. Regiments There's my yeah, 786 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,120 there's my Genie. Magic, you know. 787 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,360 I I get that. Blank, Right. 788 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,880 I'm gonna rub that blank. Yeah. 789 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,760 Yeah. Oh, that was gonna happen. 790 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,120 I the number one I. Would be a whole problem. 791 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:24,480 So not now that we're we're looking at this another. 792 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,160 And the cool thing is, I I know, Doyle. 793 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,080 I know Socrates and I know this isn't your your style. 794 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,240 We've we've, we've talked about rejection. 795 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:40,040 Dimitri and I, we've had lots of conversations about rejection 796 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,800 because you know just in the environment that we tend to be 797 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,440 in throwing parties things like that. 798 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,200 We've seen a lot of guys, men and women both handle rejection 799 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:57,080 poorly and I think that after talking to Doyle earlier it, it 800 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,240 opened up a lot of things. The reason a possible 801 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:08,000 explanation as to why you know a a guy gets rejected and he he 802 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,760 says something rude. I know I think it was a couple 803 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,680 years back Demetria and I, there was a a couple who we we know 804 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,000 and they're very nice. They're very open couple were 805 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,000 getting ready to go play. Guys see him, he goes and tries 806 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,760 to talk to him and basically they say no thank you, not right 807 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,800 now. The guy's a total Dick to him, 808 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,960 to the couple, and they would have played with him later. 809 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,400 They were just busy at the moment. 810 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,440 And I think listening to this creates you know, possible 811 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:44,520 explanations as to why people take rejection so poorly. 812 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,840 I. Don't know this. 813 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:55,000 Excuses any of that, but it does put in perspective the possible 814 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,880 motive behind it. Because, you know, hurt people, 815 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,120 hurt other people. And if this is a person who was 816 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,640 on my end of the spectrum and it took a lot for them to build up 817 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,880 their courage to approach somebody, this isn't routine, 818 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,440 this isn't normal for them. And then they're, you know, they 819 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,200 already felt the rejection coming, but they, they tried to 820 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,320 put their best foot forward and then they subsequently got 821 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,120 rejected. I could see somebody striking 822 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,560 out. And then I can also see some of 823 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,400 those people feeling like a complete piece of garbage later 824 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,960 on when they decompress. And they're thinking about that 825 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,320 all by themselves when they're alone. 826 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,840 Like, why did I, why did I call her out her name? 827 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,760 Why did I like I I am not that person. 828 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,640 I can't believe because sometimes hurt people hurt 829 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,440 people. Yeah. 830 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,160 And it was really when I was growing up, there was a place 831 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,800 called the Fox Hills Mall in LA and it was known like, you can 832 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,760 go down there and a dude would approach a woman. 833 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,760 And back then the women were not nice on their rejection. 834 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,160 And a lot of it is because they're dealing with gangsters, 835 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,680 you know, and they, the dude would be like, hey, you know, 836 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:10,800 let me holler at you this and that. 837 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,720 She'd be like whatever. She'd say no, you you ain't, you 838 00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:15,360 too short or whatever. They would just be rude. 839 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,080 And then the second he's, she said that she would be, he would 840 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,040 be like fuck you damn bitch, I never want your ugly ass anyway. 841 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,200 Just walk off and you know and get all gangsters and stuff. 842 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,480 That was typical. Every time you went to the mall 843 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,000 you saw that. And I do think that's connected 844 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,840 because it's like, you know when you're growing up in these 845 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,880 environments, we didn't have the best fathers or father wasn't 846 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,360 there situation all the time. You're dealing with all kind of 847 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,560 rejection everywhere you go and so you start having connections 848 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,760 between yourself, esteem and the way that person's treating you. 849 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:54,200 And then it cuts. It burns more when you when 850 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,120 you're connected with oh, I'm not good enough in the 1st place 851 00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,880 and now she's just confirming it. 852 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,800 Well, I will say you guys are again, I would praise you. 853 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:13,920 You're fucking amazing. You bring so much balance to 854 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:19,600 life medium. It's like you are nature's 855 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:24,080 referee. You know, it's crazy that I used 856 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:29,680 to tell Xavier this My life was was so black and white that I 857 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:35,600 never saw the Gray and and that Gray area was always the Gray 858 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,160 area of reasoning. And I always, I never thought 859 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,320 because I never care to try to get into it or listen to it or 860 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:47,640 whatever. But I see clearly that it's guys 861 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,360 like you that's put in this in this universe or just within the 862 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:57,520 circle for that type, for that, for that reason or that being 863 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:04,360 whatever the case may be. Yes, you had the trauma, but you 864 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:09,200 do your trauma and your experiences, you kind of got to 865 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,240 pass yourself in the back that you you made it. 866 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:20,200 You you grew. Can't you now see that? 867 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,800 Yeah, you guys have. The success story. 868 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,560 The success story. Well, I'm. 869 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,600 I'm not going to lie, it's hard for me because it's hard. 870 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,800 Yeah. This is just yesterday, my man. 871 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,120 This morning? No, I I dealt with that man. 872 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,120 Man, you know how many hours Mr. Mocha put in trying to get me 873 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,240 like, hey man, you looking brother? 874 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:44,160 What's wrong with you? Hey Mr. Come on here. 875 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,600 Here you go. Let him know like he it was two 876 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,360 days ago. He was just like, hey, what are 877 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,080 you talking about? You you you're a decent looking 878 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:52,880 dude. What do you mean? 879 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,920 Yeah, it's that demon has been in my head from 12 years old to 880 00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,400 this morning. I'm not lying. 881 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,720 No, I get that. I understand. 882 00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:11,680 The trouble behind it is like, and I do understand that you 883 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:16,640 would be your own worst critic, but at some point, if you like, 884 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,280 you're praising Mr. Mocha right now, and he's shouting with the 885 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,200 confidence and the confidence. Why can't you not trust that? 886 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,880 Yeah, I mean, I don't know what you're saying. 887 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,680 I have worked hard, right? I didn't read 150 books on the 888 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,360 subject for nothing. But, you know, it was a 889 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,440 struggle. And you're right, I did make it 890 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,680 because now I'm surrounded by people like yourself. 891 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,360 When I was telling Mr. Mocha I can't wait to hang out with 892 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,280 Dimitri because he's tells me about how sharp you are. 893 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,760 He tells me about how sharp this entire team is. 894 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,480 And I've been listening to all you guys now. 895 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,200 So I've been doing the pranks. Yeah, Chris is said stuff. 896 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,160 I called. I called. 897 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,720 Mr. Mocha said. Man what Chris said right there. 898 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:02,000 Fire Mr. Minx Hazard. You know, and I've I've, I I do 899 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,960 fashion myself as someone. Guys, we feeding back, everybody 900 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,520 mute your mics for a second except for Socrates. 901 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:15,320 So I I I consider myself someone who does commit to canine. 902 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,560 We were talking about the earlier constant and nevering, 903 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,680 an improvement, and it did lead me here. 904 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,800 But man, I wish. Like you said, I wish. 905 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,560 You too, politically correct. I leave out that you so 906 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,640 politically correct, you left out that last part, huh? 907 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,800 I'm not going to put you on the. Spot. 908 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,320 That's OK. I'll jump on that grenade in a 909 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,040 minute. Go ahead all. 910 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:40,720 Right. I want to jump in on that and 911 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,880 and add my two. My two cents or one? 912 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,000 And I owe you one. But, and part of it is you. 913 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,520 Sometimes you don't realize how far you've come while you're 914 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,480 still in the journey. Like if you grew up poor, you 915 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,800 start making twenty $30,000 a year. 916 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,040 You still got the mentality of a poor person. 917 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,280 You don't realize that you're not making ten no more. 918 00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,360 You jump up to 50 to 70 to 90. You break 6 figures. 919 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,400 Certain people are making $120,000 a year. 920 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:16,400 They are in the the 5%, but they don't realize that they have 921 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,760 made it. They don't realize that that is 922 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,000 above the average and so. Like Mike Tyson, I'm just trying 923 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,560 to see my kid. Yeah, and so I say that to say 924 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,280 like I I appreciate the acknowledgement, but I don't 925 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:35,400 look at myself as having made it out and being a success story. 926 00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,520 I look at myself as this is an everyday thing. 927 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,600 I know how bad it can be if I let my mind wander. 928 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,680 Don't let my mind wander. I got to keep moving forward. 929 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,840 And there's a buddy of mine he he's instilled in my in my head, 930 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,520 motion is life. The only fish that goes with the 931 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:59,040 flow is a dead fish always move forward 1 foot in front of the 932 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,520 other. Well, once it's trying to stop 933 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,200 ticking, stop saying butt and just take butt out of your 934 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:12,040 vocabulary, out of your mindset and actually look at what all 935 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,960 you have achieved. Like I got to get both you guys. 936 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:22,560 We have to exchange phone numbers because I I don't want 937 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:29,280 to use the word man fan. But yeah, it's this is a great 938 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,360 conversation. I want to learn more because 939 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,200 again, it's like you guys are teaching us. 940 00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:36,840 So you have this, the penalty, you have the platform. 941 00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:40,760 So I'm supposed. To be hollering at you anyway, 942 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,240 because. Me and Mr. Booker were just 943 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:43,840 talking this week. But I was. 944 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,640 Supposed to reach out to you for Splash in Atlanta? 945 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,400 Yeah. And then Mr. Mocha in trouble. 946 00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,560 I got you in trouble I got you. Good hook up there. 947 00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,480 Too you can you can use my affiliate code. 948 00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:01,120 I'll get you in the splash. You don't need and Mr. Mocha in 949 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,600 trouble if he didn't tell you already. 950 00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:05,680 Dimitri, I was like that guy's sharp. 951 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,400 I can't wait to hang out with him and talk to him. 952 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,640 Hey, hey. This is not about me. 953 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,160 This is about you guys right now. 954 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,320 Yeah. No, make it. 955 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,320 About you, they both throwing. Rocks at me, though. 956 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,120 Make it about him. I didn't. 957 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,040 Throw any rock at you? No, not yet. 958 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:23,840 Nah. Oh, you're right. 959 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:24,680 You're right. You're right. 960 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:30,720 No, you know, you know what? I'm talking shit. 961 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,920 I have to say this. This is something I have to 962 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:39,600 throw out there. This is a conversation that me 963 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:45,960 and Doyle had some months back, and I can tell you why I value 964 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:52,040 this conversation so much. Number one, we've talked about 965 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,120 men and their emotions, and rejection is a very emotional 966 00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,880 subject, obviously for men and women both. 967 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,200 But you know, I'm not a woman, so I can't speak from that 968 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:06,320 place. And then also learning that 969 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,720 there's different levels to this shit, there's different levels 970 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,120 to rejection and there's different levels to the way we 971 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:19,040 feel. Doyle it was probably, I think 972 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,160 it might have been Doyle who really helped me understand. 973 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,120 Because I I remember saying I've said this before, I never 974 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,360 understood the concept of depression. 975 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,960 I never understood the concept of anxiety. 976 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,880 I I'm embarrassed to say, I used to think that that was just an 977 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,600 excuse that people made. And then once you have 978 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,960 conversation with so many people and you start realizing, OK, it 979 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,600 maybe really is a thing. But then you, you, you're 980 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:56,040 talking to somebody who you've known for over a decade and they 981 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,640 really go deep and break it down. 982 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,360 You start understanding these things. 983 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:07,520 And also, you know, Doyle being a person I trust, in fact, Doyle 984 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,960 was the one who called me an idiot the time that I I gave my 985 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,920 wife a very honest answer when I shouldn't have given her that 986 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,440 answer at that moment. I'm not sure if it was what the 987 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,320 fuck is wrong with you, with other bunch of other words. 988 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,800 So him being someone who who knows my family, who I trust, 989 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,720 who I deal with, explain these things to me and say, hey, you 990 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,560 don't understand why certain people feel the way they feel. 991 00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,040 Because your journey has been different. 992 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,920 And I always felt like, you know, as a as a man or you know 993 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,360 a man, you should, you should feel this way, feel that way. 994 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,600 And then, you know, we started talking about the male emotion 995 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:49,600 and all of these different things. 996 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:54,080 And then you have guys who come on and say, hey, this is another 997 00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,080 piece of the male emotional journey. 998 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,480 It's, it's it's powerful. It's a it's a big thing to me. 999 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:07,280 And I appreciate, I appreciate Socrates Doyle. 1000 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,040 I mean, I mean Doyle is, you know, he'll probably be at the 1001 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,040 house tomorrow, so, you know, I'll have to buy you a beer or 1002 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,720 something like that. But I appreciate it fellas. 1003 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,000 Well, you make a hell of an old fashioned so. 1004 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,080 I'll pick up Can I geek out? I'll go pick up Mr. Mokar. 1005 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,600 Are we Mr. Mokar? Are we getting? 1006 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,760 Are we coming to an end on this episode? 1007 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,000 Yes, Sir. All right, I want to throw out 1008 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,480 one geeky moment here of some information. 1009 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,520 Everything we've been talking tonight about was written by an 1010 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,080 American psychologist in a paper called The Theory of Human 1011 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,800 Motivation. That guy's name is Abraham 1012 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:55,240 Maslow and Maslow's hierarchy of needs introduced to those, 1013 01:00:55,240 --> 01:01:00,480 right, So all all of us walk through this basic five steps. 1014 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,080 The physiological needs is the first one that's, you know, 1015 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,720 food, you know, shelter, clothes, all that kind of stuff, 1016 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,240 right? Then you have your safety needs. 1017 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,760 You're you're you're safe from the tigers and lions out there. 1018 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:13,920 Then it goes to love and belonging. 1019 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,680 Then it's esteem, and finally it's self actualization. 1020 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,400 And basically Maslow's theory is that you go through your life 1021 01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,840 trying to achieve these five steps. 1022 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,760 And that's what motivates each one of us, man, woman, whatever 1023 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,600 is to reach through these these five steps. 1024 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:38,160 Not all of us can actually reach that self actualization where 1025 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,800 you can become the absolute best version of yourself. 1026 01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,400 Everybody gets caught up here. We're talking about is the love 1027 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,400 and belonging. We want that love, we want that 1028 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,040 attention. We get rejected as we seek that 1029 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,480 and that becomes the challenge and it hurts our esteem, which 1030 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,120 is the next level. Above so all the. 1031 01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:01,480 Conversations tonight we've had guys, I appreciate hearing the 1032 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,720 different perspectives because each one of us comes from a 1033 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:08,360 different place and each one of us has walked this path to get 1034 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,640 where we are today. And we're talking about 1035 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,760 successes and people who have figured it out and yet still 1036 01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,320 face those demons every morning when they wake up or every 1037 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:19,960 Friday night when they get ready to go out. 1038 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,640 And for those of us who are blessed enough to have that that 1039 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:29,040 life partner who's chose to join them even though, like in my 1040 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:33,080 case, I out kicked my punk coverage as well, they choose to 1041 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,600 stay with me and not reject me for all this time. 1042 01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,280 So thank you everybody for all of that. 1043 01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,560 And thanks for letting me geek out there Mr. Mosby. 1044 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,120 Can I join that geek out real quick? 1045 01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,760 Yes, Sir. The interesting thing about the 1046 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,080 hierarchy of needs and the fact that it's stepped is that it's 1047 01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,360 not linear. You look for food. 1048 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,720 Once you've secured food, you look for safety. 1049 01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,720 Once you secured food and safety, then you go to love. 1050 01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,720 But if something happens, you lose that safety. 1051 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,320 Now you're back at the safety step. 1052 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:09,920 So self actualization isn't necessarily an end goal because 1053 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:15,480 you can reach that that pinnacle get divorced, now you're back at 1054 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,000 you're, you're trying to secure safety. 1055 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,760 Now we're working on love again. So it's a constantly moving and 1056 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:27,280 evolving thing. So it I love that one. 1057 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:28,320 I love it. Sorry. 1058 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,720 And you and you did and you don't get hung. 1059 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:33,960 Yeah. Don't, don't and and so the the 1060 01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,080 key, the key takeaways, don't get hung up at one of those 1061 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,640 steps. You're always going to have to 1062 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,120 adapt and move. Those who get stuck are the ones 1063 01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,880 that that end up having a difficult time. 1064 01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,240 Can I can I jump in? I just, I want to piggyback on 1065 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,440 something, Mr. Mink said. I really appreciate you saying 1066 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,200 that is. Yeah, like, I feel like today 1067 01:03:56,200 --> 01:04:00,000 I've discovered something new and I feel like I have the tools 1068 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,440 to really quiet that demon. But it just started the battle 1069 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,200 of saying, you know what, I'm going to beat this guy, but I 1070 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,760 know I'm going to deal with it at the next splash. 1071 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,720 I know I'm going to deal with it in the next situation, but at 1072 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,640 least now I got some way better tools because the, you know, 1073 01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,160 team of friends that I'm building right now. 1074 01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:25,240 I was going with that trust. In the circle I mean circle of 1075 01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:29,040 trust in individuals. You got some great kings and 1076 01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,360 friends right here that waiting to stand beside you guys with 1077 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:37,000 just a phone Callaway. And this is not just all talk. 1078 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,520 This is something that we show with actions. 1079 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:46,440 And I will say this from day one of me, Mr. Mocha, he was that 1080 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,040 guy. Like I couldn't believe that 1081 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:53,800 there was another guy that that was all action like myself also 1082 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,600 with Mr. Meeks you know like like fucked. 1083 01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,960 Here's another guy. So and we're all brothers in you 1084 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,680 know that we can always put another chair to the table and 1085 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:07,200 you guys are more than welcome. So we need just that phone call 1086 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,920 or that text and we on our way. Nowhere else in the numbers, all 1087 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,520 day later. Be there, All right. 1088 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:19,440 Just know that like I said, we here for you, but we also don't 1089 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,760 hold you accountable to be there for us as well, because I do 1090 01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,360 believe in living that shoulder just as much as you need our 1091 01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:32,120 shoulder reciprocity. Indeed. 1092 01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:37,640 Fellas, ladies, gentlemen, the fellas on the the panel. 1093 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,600 I think this has been a great episode. 1094 01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,080 I've taken away so much. I would love to continue this 1095 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,800 episode but next time get some ladies you know kind of involved 1096 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:53,160 in in the episode because I would love to see you know I'd 1097 01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:57,240 love to hear their perspective on it especially when you're 1098 01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,640 when you're talking to guys who aren't doing the usual macho 1099 01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,400 let's let me hide my feelings thing. 1100 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,640 So I think that would be really cool. 1101 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:10,040 And just for the record, if you enjoy listening to old faces, 1102 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,880 you can find us wherever you listen to your podcast and make 1103 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:20,080 sure you spell it right OFACEZ. Until next time, Mr. Minx, 1104 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:26,720 Dimitri Doyle, Socrates, thank you guys very much. 1105 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,400 Want to give a shout out to Juicy Blushing Vixen? 1106 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,920 As always. Reserve stag, Reserve stag. 1107 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,800 This is the last time you get to sit here and not join. 1108 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,000 You messed up. You already joined and talked to 1109 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,840 us. So now, from now on, I expect to 1110 01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,960 hear you in there and everybody else. 1111 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:45,880 If we don't know you, we want to get to know you. 1112 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,320 So come back and hang out with us again. 1113 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:55,480 And until next time, Thanks for thanks for joining old faces. 1114 01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,360 Peaceful. Later y'all.