Hello and welcome to another episode of Old Faces.
We're your host, Mr. And. Misses Mocha.
You think you really went into that too fast?
I like that song a lot. I mean I can put it back on for.
You that's OK, you listen to it later.
OK, OK, hello. I feel.
Like that was the fastest like intro ever though.
Yeah, that was pretty quick were.
You trying to get it over? Try to try to get it done.
Your DJ skills are declining. I work on it.
I work on it because. We haven't done the podcast in
so long. Topic today something that's,
you know, you're a professional man just doing whatever the fuck
you want to do. So how do you get comfortable
being yourself in the lifestyle you know?
I mean, like you said, no, no shame in your lifestyle game.
I think a lot of people get cliquey, like they get they get
around other people and then it becomes cliquish, you know what
I mean? And they think like it's just
like high school, like you feel like, Oh well, I'm friends with
like the jocks and the cheerleaders.
So I have to have this like certain persona.
So I think other they let other lifestylers influence the way
that they lifestyle or because Joe Blow said that this is the
only way you can lifestyle, then that's what people do.
They're like, oh, well, no, I mean, so and so told me that I
think some people are open minded to doing it, but not
completely open. Like we're not going to
completely explore our sexual fantasies.
We're just going to do these ones that our friends are
comfortable with and around. Because I really do think it
comes down to like influence, like who you're around, who
influences you. I definitely agree with that.
I mean, I think that's something that we've seen even when we
first got the when we first got into the lifestyle together, I
remember being on a lake and, you know, one group of people
saying, hey, if you play with that group of people, we won't
play with you because you know that that group of people,
they're just, I mean, they just, they're just too promiscuous and
we're not, you know, so. Cool, we're all out here fucking
bro buddy. Yeah, but it was interesting.
How many people, how many people did you know, fall into that?
Yeah, how many people would actually?
But we've never let people dictate what we're going to do.
I mean like you and I, or just you by yourself?
I think who I think the people that you're around and the group
that you're with often time influences the way you the way
you lack lifestyle. So and I think that people get
stuck in their groups. So they may have gotten to a
point where they want to do something different, but they
don't want to. Tell the group that they're
going to do branch out into BBC or like I mean there's people
that go to splash mocha and they won't say that they're they're
going to splash mocha that to other lifestyle people and that
blows my fucking mind I. Mean remember, we at our
parties, we had lots of people who.
I know that, I'm just saying it initially.
It blows my mind and I think it's because we've always been.
You have let me be completely wide open as far as certain
things just don't touch your ass, right?
Yeah, Yeah. I appreciate that.
Appreciate that. So, so that being said, the
question is this like what, what do you say to people because
what do you say to people who are in a group?
And I understand it because we've had the, the conversation
before. Humans are, we're social
creatures. So if we have a group of people
who are, are our friends, we are concerned about what they think
and what they feel about the things that we do.
You know, we see it all the, all of the time.
We're within the lifestyle. You level up or you change, you
adjust. You know, so people who are
going from saw swappers to full swapping, but they have a so
they're around a circle of people who are only saw
swappers. They keep a secret from those
people for so long. Again, I think it's just because
people don't accept it just like it's not really like super
acceptable and like regular. I don't I don't even want to say
regular, but swinger parties, like if you're by mail, that's
like to taboo. So I think that's where some
people just need to branch off and find their taboo friends
because I got all kinds of fucked up.
Well, I don't want to say fucked up.
You know I don't want. It all kinds of taboo fantasies
that, you know, my friend may not like this or may not like
that, but if they're my friend, then they know that I'm going to
do what I want to do. But some people, Oh well, I
started with my friend. Sorry guys, my microphone is
being stupid. I started with, you know, my
friend, this friend or whatever, and we kind of evolved out of
that. So I couldn't be friends with
that person anymore because they didn't like what I did, which is
silly. But again, it's just like
back-to-back to high school shit.
And it's something that happens often.
Unfortunate lifestyle. I mean, we yeah.
I mean, we've heard our friends, we've heard our own friends talk
about different people are like, Oh, well, you know, we don't,
you know, we don't like playing with them because they play with
these people or because, you know, they play this way or, and
it's, it's always blowing my mind that you will get into a,
you will get into the lifestyle, which is already something
that's outside of the societal norms, and then you will let
people around you. Dictate what it's like, what's
OK and what's not OK for you. It's your fucking private part.
Do you think are your vagina or you know, your ass or whatever.
You do what you want to do with those things.
Just like nobody controls the thoughts that you have in your
head. I mean shit, if I told everybody
every thought I had in my head, it would probably be a scary
time. No, they wouldn't be surprised.
They know that you're a fucking perv, you know, But I mean, it's
the though, I think the whole point of the lifestyle is to be
what society believes to be sexual deviants, you know?
So like I said, I don't, I don't want to.
I wouldn't want to be in a lifestyle where I'm worried
about people outside of the lifestyle judging me.
And then you get into the lifestyle and you're worried
about people inside the lifestyle judging you.
But. It happens every day.
Every day. There's, there's plenty of
groups and plenty of cliques and whatever.
And I feel like we've just become a part of all of them.
But everybody just kind of knows what we are, what, what we do.
But there's, I'm sorry, there's also, you know, the people that
have said to us like at parties, like, Oh, I can't fuck you after
Mr. Moko, you know, I can't go after that or whatever, or white
guys that won't play with me because they think that I just
fucked Mandingo Dicks and they're for some reason that's
bothers them, which is fine. That's not, I mean, I'm not
going to force anyone to fuck me.
But if I'm telling you I like you and I want to fuck you, then
what should it matter about so and so's Dick from six years
ago? You know, hopefully she's went
back to where she's supposed to go at that point or there's a
problem. Yeah.
So I mean, just like, you know, fisting isn't my thing.
We're just gonna go to extremes here.
Fisting isn't my thing. But if that's your fucking
thing, do it. Yeah.
Fucking get fisted all day long. Yeah, you know.
I mean, there I definitely think having a space to having a space
and a lifestyle to be comfortable with yourself.
Yeah. And just keep it in mind, like I
was speaking to our friends last week to to people who are
outside the lifestyle. What we do is already is
extremely wild. Even that even soft swapping is
crazy to, to people. You know, you'll see people who
think that how many people have we met who are vanilla and they
don't know where their lifestyle and they're talking and they
tell us about this one time when they had a wild trip to Vegas
where they made out with another girl.
It's like, oh, oh shit. That's like that movie Meet the
Millers, where they they take him to the tent and they're
remember the the guy like ear fucks.
Him and he's like that's. So fucking hot.
Yeah, but again, like what? You may be Wilder than us 'cause
Mr. Mocha and I like have hard nosed and like things that we
won't do. But again, that's not we.
We still acceptable. I mean, we're not gonna say, oh,
we're not gonna play with you. I mean, to me it's as simple as
these are my boundaries. As long as you respect those,
then I'm comfortable with who you are and what you are.
Just like I had to tell someone at a party that you know, just
because somebody's bi doesn't mean they're automatically going
to come fuck you or try to fuck you.
No, you may be a hot dude, but there's you walk into a gym,
there might be a million bad guys in there.
So all those guys are automatically trying to fuck
you. No, they're absolute fucking
lutely. Not yeah, Yeah, that's
incredibly. Yeah, so, you know, you don't
want to think that, you know, think outside the box just
because that person is a sexual sadist, likes to legs pain or
I'm going to extremes here and they're running completely
extreme. But so and so likes to get
pegged by their girlfriend or whatever the case may be.
That doesn't mean that they're coming into a party with a
fucking strap on on and they're going to fuck everyone there.
It's not going to happen to you. That old Eddie Murphy's kids say
boy, look mighty good in them jeans.
Come on over here and let me fucking ass.
Yeah, No, I mean, I, I definitely think, you know, for
for us, and I think that's the thing, what we consider extreme
and with the next person considered extreme is completely
different. There are some people who
consider extreme simply having intercourse with someone else's
mate. Like that's wild.
Oh my God, I can't believe you do that, you know.
So I think once you step into the lifestyle, I think that
having a, an open minded understanding that you have, you
have it two ways. Either a, the people who are
around you can be honest and say, these are the things that
we're into, but we respect your boundaries, or they can just
fucking lie to you. Because that's usually what
happens is, you know, the same group of people who you've known
for the last five years. You don't know that they're into
some other stuff. The only thing that means is
that you, they view you as so close minded that they're not
comfortable telling you what they're into.
So they just hide it from you. Like they hide the fact that
there's a lifestyle from their parents, right.
You know, so I think that's, that's really just your only
choice once you get into the lifestyle.
Yeah. Like you think that, you know,
as people evolve, if you, if you know people who've been really
in a lifestyle for multiple years and they're in the exact
same place doing exact same things that they were doing when
you first met them, that means they're just not telling you.
More than likely, they're just not telling you.
Well, I mean also too, I think there's like etiquette in
certain places, like there's certain things that just aren't
accepted in certain places. If you're just that like AII
don't know if if you're at a there, there are just certain
things. If you were at a, what are those
things called? The furry thing that we were
talking. About Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like anybody can go into there and I'm sure none of those
people give a fuck, which are if you just came regular there,
they're living their best life doing their own thing.
But I feel like sometimes, and I'm not knock knocking, just
like swinger couple parties, but there are some like let's say
like hotel events, hotel takeovers, stuff like that, that
things aren't accepted there or somebody might side eye you or
like give you a dirty look because you did something that
was not just swinging at a party.
I mean swinging, just couple swapping or soft swapping or you
know, stuff like that. I mean, there those are things
that people do behind closed doors, but I just don't think
that's something you should be ashamed of.
Yeah. I don't.
I think you should just be able to say or do what you want to
do. I mean, like, do you know many
people or I can't say how many people, but there are several
times that I get side eyes from gangbangs.
I like gangbangs. I don't care if you like a
gangbang, I'm not going to make you jump it.
Sorry, my phone just went off. Yeah.
Are we still basically, you know, like I would get as you
know, side eye from people because I like multiple men at a
time. But I I really do.
And I've said it like 1000 times, group things are my
thing. I do like.
Yeah, you've also not really giving a shit, which is, which
is I think 1 to think the coolest things about Mrs. Mocha
is that throughout the years I've seen her tell, I've seen
her tell women that she was into, oh, I want to get a
gangbang. I want to do she'll say all of
this wall shit and these women will either give her the side
eye or tell her, Oh my God, I would never do that.
That right there is crazy. That's too wild for me.
And then six months later, you know, they're here in the
basement with her sharing 4 Dicks, you know, which is, you
know, credit to Misses Mocha for not allowing somebody to, to, to
say something, you know, her say, oh, I like this and someone
go, that's too wild. And she doesn't go, oh, I'm just
joking. Or she doesn't back off.
She just, she continues to be who she is.
That is because that that opens up that opens up the that that
gives other people that space to say, OK, it is OK, you know, and
then also, but. Who's to say again, like not to
be on a soapbox today, but who's to say it's not OK?
Like who's telling you that it's not OK?
Is your husband telling you it's not OK?
Is your wife telling you not? Is it?
Is it just your rules and your dynamics?
Like that's fine, but like I said, even from the beginning,
Mr. Mocha got me because he started off with fantasies in
our bedroom. We were fucking each other, but
it was talking through fantasies in our bedroom.
And I can say we've pretty much, we haven't went through all of
them, but there's been a good amount of fantasies that we've
talked about while we're fucking each other that we've actually
done, you know, like we've ended up later.
I mean, some of them taking years.
Like even I know on our last episode that Mister Mocha
deleted that we just talked about, you know, like we've kind
of evolved ourselves. Like I even during like my
downtime told Mr. Mocha like I'll be a little vulnerable on
here. But I told him that I didn't
feel it because I was sick. I didn't feel like I could
sexually satisfy him anymore and that maybe he should just find a
girlfriend, which I never in our whole relationship ever thought
I would tell him. Like maybe that's what he needs.
But I mean, I thought maybe he needed a girlfriend because I
didn't like to. I didn't like the fact that I
couldn't sexually satisfy him. So I wanted him to have someone
that at that moment could sexually satisfy him.
And for me it was. I think for me, it's always,
it's always exciting to see her push her boundaries.
That's what I've always liked. Because you know, from my
standpoint, me, I've said this before, when Missus Moke and I
first got together, I always felt like I wanted her to
experience everything that I'd experienced just because I had,
I had been single longer than Mr. Mocha had been single
between our marriages. And I, you know, had the
opportunity at a time to experience a lot of stuff.
And I always said, I want you to experience everything that I
experienced. So her boundaries, you know, she
always levels up, you know, we're constantly leveling up.
And then for me that just for her to say, Hey, I would like
for you to consider doing this. It was exciting for me because
it was her pushing her own boundaries.
But I mean, I think during that time though, too, we pushed a
lot of boundaries. And Mr. Malka, I can tell you at
one point in time didn't really believe me.
I think we had to have a few conversations about it before he
was like, OK, I'm going to. Because his thing was is I know
you're sick. I don't, you know, I don't want
you to do that stuff. I don't want you to be
uncomfortable. But my thing was, is like for
years, because he had, he was always very fair in our
relationship. And I feel like there were some
years that I was not as fair to him as he was to me because of
insecurities and whatever else. And I, I felt at that moment, I
wanted to be fair to him. It was pushing my boundaries,
yes. But I, I wanted him to be as
happy as I've been for years. And he's always happy, don't get
me wrong. But there were, I feel like
there were always some like walls and some not.
What? What would you say?
Not walls. No, there's definitely walls.
But here's the thing, it's for me, it was always about and it
is about leading from the front. I think that one of the things
that a lot of people do the the person and the lifestyle in a
relationship who does the most pushing oftentime is not willing
to give what they're asking for. So from my standpoint, there's a
lot of things with Mrs. Mocha where it was just not
understanding, OK, Even when we first, as we broke through
different barriers, there was a time when she was OK, I'm not
comfortable you kissing somebody.
But then I never. Said.
That yeah, let's. Give a better example.
Let me know you. There was a time.
There was definitely time. Absolutely not.
I would not accept that. Oh, there, absolutely.
I will not accept that. My wife has amnesia sometimes
early enough, early enough, early in our relationship, it
made her uncomfortable. But once she realized that it
didn't mean that it was different, she was OK with it
because in her mind, at first, I think it was, you know, let's
say something for us. Now I can be delusional, which
he. Usually is he's going to have
dementia before me. Yeah, we've discovered that.
But, but on this, on this, I, I on this one, I will say early in
our relationship, there were a lot of things that Mrs. Mocha
was challenged with. But as she crossed through
different boundaries and I think for her, it was always
understanding. OK, that does not mean that you
feel this way about someone else.
And then it got to the point where with us, our relationship
was so strong, it was, I don't think she was concerned with,
you know, any physical act. Yeah, I mean, even down to, like
I said, more recently when we've evolved a little further into
things. I my like, biggest issue with
being sick was not actually like being sick.
It was not being able to sexually satisfy Mr. Moko,
because that's always. We've always lifestyled, we've
always, even if we weren't playing, we were always doing
something in the lifestyle. So I had to like re accustom
myself to beat vanilla, which just so everyone knows I'm gonna
give that a 2 out of 10 and I do.
Not fucking recommend it. I can handle like 2% of my life
or 10% of my life being vanilla but just 24/7 was not the move.
But anyways, I I just, I wanted to push my own boundaries
because out I want him to be just as happy as I, I always AM.
And on top of that, like everyone, everyone knows I'm a
little selfish when it comes to Dick.
But. And I was definitely losing my
shit quite a few times. And I needed Mr. Mocha to go out
and get some pussy so he could deal with me being a psychopath
for a little bit. I can't say I was a psychopath.
I was just sad. No, no, it's not a cute look,
miss. Smoke is never a psychopath.
I, I, I will say that like throughout our relationship, her
when she thinks she's being Moody or angry, like she's like
a A2 on a Richter scale. You know, every once in a while
she'll get to about a three, but she, I mean, she's never never
bad. She'll get kind of quiet when
she's. Quiet is never good for me.
If I'm quiet, that's an issue. Every.
And not even just for Mr. Mocha, like just in regular life.
If I'm not talking then I'm probably need to go to the
hospital. But I'll tell you what, now that
she's feeling better, she's fucking like a machine.
I mean, she's been giving me some.
I mean, she's trying to make up for lost time.
I'm done. But back to the subject, I am
trying to make up for a lost time.
Well, I appreciate it. I'm not complaining.
I don't take that. I'm taking all the pussy I can
get. But we go back, we're
digressing. We, we push our own boundaries
all the time. It's up to you in your
relationship if you want to push your boundaries or if you share
your business or whatever you do.
But there's always, there's something out there for
everybody. There's something or something I
can assure you that you don't always want to be a soft
swapper. You stop at soft swapping
because your routine or because one side of the relationship
isn't comfortable, which is great for you if that's good for
your dynamic. But I can assure you there's
people out there that have different fetishes.
They just don't even know shit. I didn't really know half my
fetishes till we got on fucking Twitter and I was like, yeah, I
really thought I was a fucking freak and I was not.
But I also think that there's, there's don't allow, don't let
people stifle your your growth in the lifestyle.
So and don't let them push you. Don't let anybody push you, you
know, to do something before you're ready.
You know, you move at your own pace.
But more than anything, don't be stifled by the fear that, hey,
my circle is going to look down on me for this.
Because that is a, that is a very, very, very common thing.
And unfortunately, we've been around people where these
friends over here are into some other shit.
And this other group of friends, who they are, their friends have
no idea they're into that shit. And this person is over here
saying, yeah, you know something?
I can't believe that they're into fucking gangbangs and all
of this. Wow shit.
You letting your guy, your wife get fucked by, you know,
multiple guys. Like then they have no idea
they're insulting the shit out of the couple who standing 1
foot away from them because they don't know they do that so that
that's also a reason for us as lifestyles to be fucking
responsible about the shit that comes out of our mouths.
You know, it's OK to say that I'm not into it, but don't be,
we have to be careful. And, and I, I know that I have
definitely been guilty of doing it.
And my loving wife over the years, you know, she's, she's
tamed my, my tongue and helped me learn to be more aware.
And also, even if you listen to our podcast from the very
beginning to now, you will see our evolution, You know, you'll
see that, you know, we've pushed our boundaries when we first got
into lifestyle, like we were not doing any like no condoms, like
fuck that, we're not doing that. You know, of course, even now
that we, we, we believe in testing before we do it.
We don't just, you know, we're not Cowboys about it, you know,
but you know, we, we've evolved in different ways.
So if you listen to the very beginning and listen to our
evolution, you'll see that, you know, we've come to a place
where we don't say what we, we, we're careful about discouraging
people. And we can say this because, you
know, Mrs. Mocha has never really been, she's not too bad
about. But I've definitely been guilty
of it. I've been guilty of opening my
mouth and OK, talking about an aspect of the lifestyle that I
don't participate in, but talking down on that.
And then later on learning that I did that right in front of
somebody who was into something that I had spoken down on.
But I think that's where you like got to talk about like
there's lifestyle, like swinger stuff and then there's like
kinks and fetishes. I think that's two different
categories, and. But lifestyle, all of that is in
the lifestyle. So that and what you were saying
earlier is basically that, you know, your circle is telling you
not to do something. But just like for us, I mean,
we've, we always find another circle, not saying like give up
your friends, like, but we have several different circles and we
know which ones mesh and which ones don't.
And we just don't integrate those people, you know, but,
and, and we tell them, but we're super honest with our friends.
Like, Oh no, this, this is just not something, this is not a
party you're going to want to go to or you're not going to want
to come to this because you don't like seeing your wife get
fucked by, you know, five of their dudes or you're not going
to want to come to this because you're not into like interracial
stuff or whatever. And I'm just giving examples of
us in general. There are plenty of other things
or you know, like I know one of our friends, the first time he
had any type of cuck holding experience and he was not
getting cut, but that the couple he went and met did.
Yeah, he wasn't expecting that and he was super.
I can't say he was judgy. He was shocked.
Oh he was judgy as fuck. Yeah, and I just was like,
that's like what they do. But that, you know, I don't
know. Like I said, there's he was.
I don't understand how a man can blah blah like bro bro bro
that's that's what they're into. Right, that's theirs.
That's their thing. You know, that's what they're
into because you know, that's it's the levels to it.
You know, I don't understand how, because he was, I don't
understand how a man can can, you know, let his woman feminize
him and blah, blah, blah. And then I'm like bro, you do
realize that there are people who aren't in the lifestyle will
look at you in the same light because you are fucking
somebody's wife in front of him, you know?
So you're judging the guy for allowing you to fuck his wife
while she humiliates him. But there's a huge group of
people who would literally judge you for being there doing it.
Yep, and they will judge you equally just like they're
judging him. So you're.
Or just like someone may not like him because he's a tall
BBC. Yeah like they all when you're
not playing with my wife or you're not playing you know
there's always put the shoe on the other foot or thing just
randomly freaking went off. We're not sure.
Freaking. Yeah, that was me.
Did you touch? Something, yeah.
I didn't have a Pluto man. I'm so dead.
OK, so we're back on. If you guys couldn't hear us for
a second. Oops.
Anyway, so Mr. Mocha was trying to RIP my dress up the whole
drive home but the outside of my pussy was like super tender
because I had gotten pummeled the night before and I got waxed
that morning so. My what's the policy if somebody
else makes your pussy sore? I I totally fucked you the the
night after. If somebody else makes your
pussy sore, what does that have to do with this guy?
It was the outside. It wasn't the inside of my
pussy. That's because somebody else was
fucking like. I had fucking leprosy on the
outside of my. Vagina.
No, you didn't. You look sunburned.
So red that I'm not sure you've ever seen leprosy, honey.
But no making stuff. Yeah, leprosy is a bad word to
be talking about New Year, Vagina.
So we're gonna go with you. Look like you had a sunburned
Kitty. OK.
We'll see. From all of the grinding that
you were doing. No, someone I think had just
shaved and when I was writing them it was like a little
scruffy. Oh, you had the sandpaper?
Yeah. I don't know how.
Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that. You didn't care when you were
watching. It looked good.
You have me a help. I saw like you didn't care why
it was happening because you were talking real nasty.
What did? I say all kind of nasty shit.
What did I say? Fuck this bloody pussy.
I didn't. Say that.
Fuck it harder. Give me that big cock.
Yeah, all kind of shit. I heard you.
I was like. Oh, I did tell someone that I
loved their cock. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I love your big cock. Shove it in there, big Dick.
And the, the, the lady who was next to her was like, Oh my God,
I can't believe she can take it like that.
She was very impressed at your Dick receiving skills.
Sometimes you got to take a big Dick.
Yeah, she's like, you can take it from every angle.
Yeah, I I mean, that's not true. I have one angle I still can't
do. But look like you're taking it
from a lot of angles. I didn't take it from the one
angle. I can't take it.
From well, I mean you took it from about 87 other angles.
That's OK, I like to be flexible.
Yeah, you look like you definitely had a good time.
Yeah, so we almost had an accident on the way home because
Mr. Mocha was drunk and he was trying, he was trying to touch
my pussy. And we literally.
Were home. I was only trying to touch your
pussy. I didn't touch your steering
wheel. I didn't touch the pedals.
Were 11 minutes from our home, so it was a long.
I mean, you're driving slow. I always drive slow.
Well, so I think we're more like 40 minutes away from the house.
No it we it took us 11 minutes and then Mr. Mocha passed out
for like 3.5 seconds then we pulled in the driveway, then he
walked in the house and then was awaiting for me in the bed naked
anyways but. Did you take advantage of the
penis? No, I fell asleep.
I'm lying. I did.
Well, that's what you call asleep.
I hope you fall asleep again tonight.
I will be going to regular sleep tonight.
Oh good, I need to go to bed. No, no, I know I like the code.
I get it, regular sleep. Goodbye.
Sleep. OK, go to bed.
That's new code word. So if you're here, Miss Mocha,
say she's going to sleep. No, no.
That makes you had air codes. No, that's Mr. Mocha 'cause
he'll be like oh I'm so tired I need a nap.
That's AKA let's go fat, yes or no?
I mean, if I'm in the bed. Right.
And you decide to come in, right?
Right, right. OK.
And it's hard already. Might as well, right?
Might as well. Get it done anyways.
But back to our subject that we're yes, yes, I, I think that
it's OK for everyone to evolve and do what they feel is right.
Don't. Don't stick with one group of
people because. Expand your horizons.
Right, don't because you feel like, well, I really became
close with Mary and John. I'm making up names right now,
but I can't. I became really like I'm best
friends with Mary and John, but Mary and John should still be
your friend. If you decide that you want to
go do porno tomorrow with Shane Diesel or whoever, you know what
I mean? Like.
Don't. Don't be cowards.
Don't.
And if there's, and I'll say this, don't be cowards and get
with a group of people and go, oh, shit, I know I can't hang
out these groups, these people from hanging out with them, you
know, we're adults. If your friends try to take
ownership of you, like I am not married to another couple, all
right. And I think that's one of the
things throughout our lifestyle experience that we have
definitely, definitely changed some people's behavior because
we've had friends early on who go, oh, well, you hang out with
those guys, We're not going to hang out with you.
And then we're like, OK, we're not going to hang out with you.
Oh, well, you know, I thought we were friends.
No, we're not friends. If you tell me who I can't be
friends with, just because you don't like those people don't
mean I can't like those people. And you know, of course they
come around and we we have friends.
We have friends who don't like each other, but they respect the
fact that we have friends. If you find that you only have
one group of friends, that is not either expanding where
you're including more couples and more people.
I'm not talking about just sexually.
I'm talking about intellectually, all right?
And socially, if you're in an area where there's multiple
clicks of people and you find yourself in one, especially when
you know that there's other people who you could possibly be
friends with but you're afraid to friend offend the people who
you hang out with, Don't be fucking cowards because then you
you you're missing out like. It's like cowardly.
It's definitely cowardly. It's definitely cowardly.
We've seen so many people who do that.
People are creatures of habits, so that it's harder for you to
do something different if you're a creature of habit.
I'm very much a creature of habit, so it's harder for me to.
And as a creature of habit, you are not stuck in one clique of
people. You hang out people who you
like. Now, if you wind up in a clique
of people because there are no options of people who you like,
that's one thing that's different.
But if you are in an area where you know that the only reason
you're not associating with that person over there is because
this person over here, you know, don't like them, you're being a
coward. Like you, you, you are being a
coward. And you're being a child.
This high school, you're grown-ups.
Expand your horizons, get to know new people.
We are part of a very, very, very small society and
community. And this is what's going to keep
you from growing. Because I feel like there's so
many people who we've spoken to who say, oh man, I wish we could
do this. Your wife.
Why the fuck can't you you? Can do it.
Oh, our friends are going to be OK with this, you know hey, we
want to come to you and I'm I don't knock him for it.
I just feel sorry for him. Hey, we want to come to your
party, but you know, it's kind of outside of I know our social
circle wouldn't really be cool if we did this.
I don't knock you for trying to well, guess what?
We don't have to tell your fucking.
Yeah, we're not going to tell on you.
We're not going to tell on you, but you know how many times
we've had parties where there winds up being three people from
that social circle, quote, UN quote, and they're like, oh,
wow, you guys come to these parties, too?
Yeah. Because you're in another social
party where you can't go do that.
Expand your horizons. Yeah, exactly.
Talk about it, fantasize about it.
If it's not. If it's not something you can
handle right away, then talk about it later on down the line.
And then also don't be those people who are shitting on the
people's dreams and desires. You know, don't, don't be the
negative person who is discouraging people from being
themselves. Let me give it an example
please. So I had someone reach out to me
about like race play. Race play is not my thing.
It's just my personal preference.
Is not. It's not my personal preference.
Did I say that right? It's not.
It's not your previous. Not my personal preference.
God bless. I can't forget talk, but it's
not my personal preference. But I just, you know, like the
guy was like emphasizing like OBBC and then some other stuff
that like I just and I just told him like, Hey, you know how I
like all Dicks? I love BBC, but I like all Dicks
and race play is just not my thing.
If that's your thing, that's cool.
And I the further the conversation went, the guy kept
like pushing, pushing, pushing, like, hey, you know, I, I want
to do this. And like, we didn't even talk
about playing. We were just literally having a
conversation. And I had to hand my phone to
Mr. Mocha so that he could see what was happening.
And he was like, oh, the guy's asking for this, this, this and
this. And again, it was just not
something that I want to do. I don't care if everybody else
does that, but it's just not something I've ever really had a
desire to do. But if you do that, cool.
And maybe he and I told him, like, maybe you can find someone
else that 'cause he, I think he was going to be at Mocha.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was going to be at Mocha.
And I just told him that was not my thing.
And it's not something I'm really into.
I, you know, I'll play with you, but just not into that.
And we have several friends that are into race play.
Do I give a shit that they're into race play?
No, but I'm just not going to do it myself, you know that.
And you can be comfortable saying.
Once again, you can be comfortable saying which you're
not into while not. I'm not going to knock you for
your fetish like I I I was glad that he was honest 'cause I can
be 100% honest. Had he got me into the bed or in
the bedroom and started that I might have.
I don't know what I would have done.
I probably would have so fucked up, but I would probably
wouldn't have said the things he wanted me to say.
Yeah, and it would, it would have ruined the experience for
you. You know, why not just say what
it is, right? And be comfortable in your own
skin? And hey, who knows, you know,
2-3 years down the road you may turn around and go, hey, all of
a sudden I'm interested in this, right?
And I think it kind of makes you look like an idiot when you were
a vocal shit talker about a thing and then all of a sudden
you're into it. Because we know people like
that. Yes, we know people very much
like that. Later on down the line or people
that talk about people that do party favors and you're down the
road, we see them doing that same thing.
Yeah, going wild. Yeah.
But I mean, again, whatever you do, whatever, that's OK.
It's OK to do what you do. But just like it was hard, I
can't say it was hard. We found our tribe and we keep
finding more and more people because we keep evolving.
But we still have the same friends that we started with.
I can't say all of them, but close friends are still our
friends no matter what our fetish or kink is.
And they're aware, and they're OK with it.
Yeah, I think you once you, once you give people power to make
you feel bad for which you like, once you give them that power,
then you, you you're kind of subject to everybody else's win.
Well, just like women, some women or men slut shame or
whatever and they don't like the word whore or for whatever
reason. If you're not exploring
something because there's some PTSD there, of course don't do
that. You know, don't push your don't
push your boundaries because you because you want to be that
uncomfortable. But you know, don't shame
somebody else for what they do. But just because there's people
that so, for example, vanilla people, they can't understand
why you're a swinger. Just the just the basic swinging
stuff. Oh, I'll never let my husband
fuck another person. Or oh, I'll, I'll never even
just be adjacent to that because they don't understand it.
But they're probably every night having a fantasy or in their
bathroom jacking off or touching their pussy thinking about
something, but they can't tell their spouse.
But because they don't understand it.
That's a lot of times why people judge.
Like there are a lot of, I think times in my life that people
have judged me based on things. And it's because they and I
didn't realize until much later in life.
It's it's because they didn't understand it.
Like, my parents couldn't understand why I married Mr.
Mocha 'cause he was of the he was black, he was black.
And my mom actually made a comment to me once that if there
were, how did she say it? If there were, If you were in a
room full of white guys, then all of them wanted you.
You would only notice the black guy is something along that time
and those lines. And she told me that I was
addicted to big black Dicks. Yes, my mother said.
That you're addicted to the big black cock.
Yes, but I mean, here's the thing that my mom can't
understand it because it's not something she would do.
And I have to say this like, I think for me, one things I will
legitimately say that I appreciate it about my wife is
if she's in a room full of guys, she's going to choose the one
that she's most attracted to. I've seen her in a room full of
black guys where she like the white dude like my wife likes,
who has the ability to turn her on, you know, which to me is a
bigger turn out. Don't get me wrong.
You know, if she sees, you know, two guys, one that's white and
one that's black, and they're both fit.
They're both no sarcastic and they're both sexy.
OK, she's probably going to go with the black dude, but she's
not going to fucking, you know, take Urkel over Captain America.
Pause. On that I would fuck both of
them, thank you. True.
True, true. Let's let's not even say that if
they're both turning me on the same way, I'll be like, do you
guys, are you guys into MFM? Because we're about to do that.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, so so I mean, but that's
also, I think that's one of the stereotypes that she's always
got whacked with. Hey, it is.
It was all it was. It was really funny when you
know her, her mom said that and you know, fortunately, you know,
of course, my wife being herself, found it fucking
hilarious. She was offended, but she
laughed her ass off about the situation.
You know, because there is a great example of someone saying
something and then automatically thinking that they know you,
what you want, what you like, and trying to shame you into
conforming to what they want, which is something that we'll
never do. You know, I mean, I think we
found that we're to a place where we just do.
It feels good. You know, the only person who
the only person whose opinion I'm beholden to is my wife's and
vice versa. You know, outside of that, you
know the fucking world is not always the world is her oyster.
Yeah, yeah, we've had like I said, it's been an interesting
journey. Like the whole the whole time.
The Mr. Mocha is definitely he had like a kind of girlfriend.
We're going to say kind of girlfriend.
I think it's like probably like this second time in our
relationship that he consistently talked to the same
person every day, which I think initially I was like, we'll
just, we'll throw it all out there.
She actually was kind of his ex-girlfriend before we were
together. So he started talking to her
again and that was definitely, I'm normally like OK with his ex
girlfriends, but, and I was actually OK with her.
I just had to get it over myself, 'cause I, you know, I
trust that he, he'll do the right thing and if he doesn't,
then I watch lots of serial killer shows and he'll be fine.
And then I will say even even more for me, like I get, I'm
always very excited when Missus Mocha is a part of whatever I
have a part of things. So, you know, one thing that I
enjoyed is missus Mocha started taking an interest and engaging
like I've always, I've always liked for Missus Mocha to engage
females that I, that I interact with, you know, in fact, I'd
much rather hurt, you know? Take the reins.
Yeah, take the reins, manage it. And I think that there was a
point for us where, you know, when she says, hey, what would
you like? What turns you on?
If I say that turns me on. And she's kind of like, yeah,
OK. But then she actually.
I just have to talk myself into stuff that like I wouldn't, I
wouldn't be like, oh, I want to do this.
But if he, if he says it that it just takes me longer to warm up
to the idea like him, he's like, Oh yeah, sure, let's do that.
Well, I mean. Yeah, she's she like it.
I'm like you like it. I love it, you know, but then
also I think another thing that for for her, she also realized
that, you know, if the the way that I like it, you know, she
has all, you know, she has a whole lot of power, you know,
you, you know, you can manage the situation sometimes.
I don't like to listen. Hey, listen, if you're concerned
about me dealing with her, how about you just plan everything
out and then just. I don't like being the manager.
Bring it, listen. Bring her over When, when I have
an erection and then, you know, I can go sleep while you're
hanging out with her. And then, you know, so like,
that works. That works better for me.
That works so much better. And now.
Yeah. Like that's kind of lazy.
Yeah, yeah. But now you have all, you have
all the control of it. So like you have no reason to be
uncomfortable because. And I've literally really pushed
all my. He's got an erection here.
Come on over. I've literally really pushed my
control. I'm OK with that.
I like, I like you like kind of controlling your own stuff.
I mean like I'm a part of it, but I like 10%.
I like being the 10%, not like the 50.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, she's comfortable with
it now. Like being the 10 though, just
'cause you know, I haven't really been like texting anyone
like that or like doing anything until more recently.
I started. Talking to some more people and
sexting people, which is actually. 9.
I am not normally. Wearing it up.
I'm not good at sexting. I'm not good at texting.
Like she's good at sexting when she wants.
To if no remember, like I used to get texts from like some guys
that would be like, oh, what, what, what would they say?
Like what, what do you want to do to me or something like that?
And I was so bad at it. I would have to respond and be
like, can I just like show you when you get here?
Like it was really bad like. I was sorry.
No, it was like I was working. I had the kids.
Around I was lazy, OK? Mrs. Mocha has a very dirty mind
and when she puts her dirty mind to things.
I have to be properly motivated. Yeah, if she put listen it, when
Mrs. Mocha start talking dirty, you cannot want to get hard.
But you're going to get hard. Trust me, I know.
No, but I have to have like proper motivation, like wow,
throwing shit. I have to have like proper
motivation like and usually The Dirty talk comes with when I'm
actually fucking. So it's harder for me to sex,
you know? But she can do it, and good.
No. When she wants to.
No, no, no, no. When she wants to do it, she can
handle it. You're right, I can't do it.
Unless you. Put your mic up to your mouth.
Unless she's being shy. I'm only shy like initially when
I meet meet people and it's only because I don't want to be
overwhelming because I know that like one of the like chicks that
at work told me that I word vomit, She said.
Like you're either really quiet or you vomit a lot of
information all at the same time.
I. Don't believe her?
You don't think so? No.
I don't know, you know, I'm really quiet though initially.
I don't like to say a whole lot in the beginning.
No, like at work you were vomit when when you're under attack
and you finally had enough. But you.
You. I feel like I do that though
too, like when I'm taught, when I first meet people, I'm just
quiet and then I'm like, oh, this is what we're doing.
Cool. I I like to just feel the vibes
of the room. I don't want to just jump on the
horse. Let me see what everybody else
is doing. You jump on the horse.
I've jumped on some regular daglars too.
But you like to jump on the horse.
Sometimes a horse is not a daily driver, No.
Anyways, we're rambling, Mr. Mocha.
Well, I think that we've got our point across.
It's. Conclusion is talk about your
fantasies. Don't let other people influence
the way you do your lifestyle journey.
I mean, we, I think we've kind of had an episode about that
too. But don't be ashamed of what you
are. If you're a cock, yeah.
If you're if you like gangbangs, then have a gangbang.
If you, you know anything that you're into, if you like being
fisted, get fisted. Who cares?
Who cares what your friends say or whatever?
They should like you no matter what.
And on that note, we are your host, Mr. and Misses Mocha.
This is the O Faces podcast. If you enjoy listening to us,
remember you can find us wherever you get your podcast.
That's O Faces with AZOFACEZ. And till next time I am Mr.
Mocha and. Goodbye from the mochas.
Bring it over to this myth so I can see your legs trip.
I got it so easily that you just like a porn of me swimming and
when we're all done on a sea.