1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,800 Oh yo-yo, what up? What up? 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:03,960 Good morning. Good morning. 3 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:18,280 GMG Tuesday February 6th 2024444. 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,360 Whole lot of fours out there. Look at that. 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,640 Another beautiful day to have a beautiful day. 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,120 I got my Co host in the house. OSF How you feel today? 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,960 Yeah, I'm good. I'm good, actually. 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,120 I'm. I feel a bit hungover, but I'm 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:34,600 good. Wait, what? 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,480 Did you do last night? You went out on Monday? 11 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:41,000 Yeah, I went for dinner with KBM K Yeah. 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,560 He was in London. Yeah, he's just visiting with 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:45,880 his wife for a day or so, I think. 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,400 Oh, nice. Nice. 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:50,320 Nice. Nice. 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,360 OK. Where'd you guys go? 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,000 We went for an Indian. Went for Indian. 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:56,720 Which one? Yeah. 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,320 Banaras. Was that good? 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,720 Yeah, it was good. Yeah, what'd you have? 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,960 Everything, really. What about human food? 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,040 Oh my God dude. I want to go to Indian food so 23 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,320 bad. There is actually by the hotel 24 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:14,680 we're all staying at in Paris OV we'll go together. 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:22,000 There is a bomb Indian like bonkers like nuts, bananas. 26 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,520 So they make a fire tikka masala bro. 27 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,720 It's it's crazy. Locks went last time we were 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,280 there in June. We should go. 29 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,120 We should have single. I I have to say, I did not 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,280 recognize you in the studio today. 31 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,280 So last time you came up with your beards completely shaved. 32 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,040 I could not recognize you. Now you got the glasses going 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:39,800 on. What? 34 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,520 What's happening so overnight you're you lost sight. 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,520 I don't. Really wear glasses that much, 36 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,000 But I do. I used to wear glasses when I 37 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,800 used to work on the trading floor because you have to read 38 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,840 lots of small numbers and stuff. But then after I left that job, 39 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,280 I realized my the hurt in my eyes was more to do with the 40 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,560 fact that I wasn't sleeping enough. 41 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,080 And when I started sleeping more, I just didn't need really 42 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,400 new glasses. But because I feel a bit 43 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,760 hungover, my eyes just hurt. Looking at the screen, I guess 44 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,560 there's like blue blue light reflectors or whatever, so it 45 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,680 just feels nicer to wear them right now and. 46 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:16,840 I just love this, you know? Yeah, I I I just love this. 47 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:17,960 Yeah. I'm hungover. 48 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,040 Fuck. I don't have Mando today. 49 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,640 So you're going to have to do a lot of talking with me. 50 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,720 It's just you and I, I I cancelled Benny because since we 51 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,440 have Ledger coming on, the CTO of Ledger's coming on the show 52 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,200 just to answer a couple questions that we have. 53 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,320 And then we're doing loot boxes, so it's very light. 54 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:33,920 I canceled Benny because I wanted to have a proper 55 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:37,120 conversation about art and the state-of-the-art and NFTS in the 56 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,560 space. I pushed that to tomorrow since 57 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,240 Manuel's not there. You're a big artist, you're big 58 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,360 time, big time collector. I wanted us to have an engaging 59 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,000 conversation about the state-of-the-art in Web 3, so I 60 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,480 pushed it. So today we're going to need you 61 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,280 to do a lot of the talking. I'm sorry that you hungover, but 62 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,240 I know I would have. I would have caught some 63 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,600 reinforcements on the radio side. 64 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,760 But anyways, as usual ladies and gentlemen, we are live on video 65 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,960 so you can catch us on the X broadcast, which I'm going to 66 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,240 post in a minute, but it is live on the rock radio, YouTube and 67 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,000 and everything as usual. We're going to be giving away 68 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,360 another $1000. Another day, another dollar. 69 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,920 I'll mind you, another thousands of those dollars. 70 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,520 So all you have to do is bottom right, purple box, follow for 71 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,760 more hour follow robicom, ROLLBITCOM and then drop AGM. 72 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,280 You don't have to, but like you know my emotions and I like my 73 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,000 GMs a lot. I am the GM of GMs after all. 74 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,880 So make sure you put that in just a little cheeky retweet. 75 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,760 As usual, the tweet is in my Twitter. 76 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,920 It's the purple box in the space and you have to be online 77 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,120 though. You have to be live to win if 78 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,440 you're not live. Yesterday the guy almost 79 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,600 slipped. He pulled up at the last second. 80 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,240 So we have a new rule. We're going to start a 62nd 81 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,600 timer from here forward when you win and you have to pull up. 82 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,720 If you don't pull up, then we go to next person for the reason 83 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,680 that we also all have work like OV myself, Yuvi Mando, right 84 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,240 after this we we jump into meetings. 85 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,920 Yeah, we do more than just host Twitter spaces and a live show. 86 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,640 So you know, just to go faster, we're going to do that. 87 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,520 So to make sure you have 1000, but today it's special because 88 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,880 last Friday we we opened four $5000 loot boxes just to 89 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,880 celebrate. So today we're going to rip two 90 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,360 and Friday 2, so two and two. So today you're going to have 91 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,600 the chance to win more. I set up the loot boxes before 92 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,000 coming on here, so we're going to be giving away, you know 93 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,560 probably another 10K plus on the show today hopefully if God 94 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,760 willing, God willing. But anyways, Anyways, Anyways, 95 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,560 today on the show, today today market report. 96 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,880 As usual Solana is down. Not the kind of message I like 97 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:40,240 waking up to OV, it actually was from you, so. 98 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,280 So that's down. I believe it's still down. 99 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,920 So when I talk about that ENS partnering with GoDaddy, that's 100 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,400 pretty big. There's the, yeah, the dim 101 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,520 AirDrop today, NFTS and all coins Pandoras on fire. 102 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,760 That new ERC Four O 4 is just taking over all the narratives 103 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,320 and NFT collection types. That's about that. 104 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,640 That hit five ES, You know, there's just a bunch of stuff 105 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,120 just popping up as usual. And then what else, what else? 106 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,600 The cats sold out yesterday. That's minted out finally. 107 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:06,680 I think that's going to be today. 108 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,760 And then Ledger, CTO joining us for a few questions. 109 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,280 And last but not least, the robot giveaway. 110 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,280 So make sure that you're here on spaces. 111 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:19,120 So with that, with that, with that OV OV, OV, what is going on 112 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:22,560 in the market? Yeah. 113 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,200 So traditional markets, not really much to say. 114 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,120 You know stocks closed lower yesterday. 115 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,400 They're basically unchanged. They may be a touch lower. 116 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,960 Interest rates are unchanged. The next big thing really is 117 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:43,080 going to be inflation and we get that number on the 13th of 118 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,640 February. So a week from today is when we 119 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,800 get the next CPI numbers. That will be the next big thing 120 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,080 for macro. The biggest news really in 121 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,280 crypto really is Solana being down. 122 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,680 And when I say being down, I'm not talking about the price 123 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,160 being down, although the price is down. 124 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,600 I'm talking about the network going down. 125 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,600 And it's the first time it's been down in over a year I 126 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,080 believe. I can't maybe even 18 months or 127 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,480 something like that quite a while. 128 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,920 I don't know or I don't see the exact reason for it did. 129 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,640 You see this morning they were pushing some sort of update or 130 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,600 is that not what's happening? I read, I read they were they 131 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,760 were applying some sort of update and for whatever reason 132 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,040 it didn't work and then they patched it with a new update 133 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,480 which is now fixed. I I think it's now functional 134 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,600 again as of a few minutes ago. There's a little website you can 135 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:37,120 check which shows the progress of of the update and I think 136 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,720 some it's like north of 80% now which is when the the chain 137 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,200 becomes starts becoming functional again. 138 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,040 So everything is working again. You know we didn't really see. 139 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,920 I'm trying. I can't fucking. 140 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,600 So it's back up here you have Austin himself, right? 141 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:54,000 Austin Federa, who's the head of strategy, He's pretty active, so 142 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,520 to quote him directly, he said Mert jokes, But telling the 143 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,680 heart honest truth has always been courted to Solana DNA. 144 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,840 You'll never see a temporary disruption or stalling block 145 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:03,320 production or issue obtaining consensus because fundamentally 146 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,080 someone is full of smart engineers who don't bullshit 147 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,320 outages suck and can cause real harm. 148 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,720 There will be a root cause report made available once it's 149 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,040 complete and then 10 minutes ago the network is back up. 150 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,360 So as of 10 minutes ago and persona, here is Solana status, 151 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:17,880 which I should probably be following. 152 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:23,120 Done block production on Solana mainnet beta resumed at 457-1457 153 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,920 UTC following a successful upgrade to V 1/17/20 and a 154 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,920 restart of the cluster by the other operators. 155 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,840 By the way, y'all, I did not understand a single word of what 156 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,280 I just read. Just not, not not. 157 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,920 You know, I don't want to act like I'm you don't know what I'm 158 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,680 talking about. Engineers will continue to 159 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,160 monitor performance as network operations are restored. 160 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,240 So there was an outage for five hours OV yeah. 161 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,360 And core contributors are working on a root cause report 162 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,480 to fix it. What I find interesting out of 163 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,480 all this, Ovi actually is that you know how a lot of the times 164 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,240 and that was a lot of the joke, mind you, a lot of us even make 165 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,880 few years ago with how Solana is not decentralized. 166 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,600 So it's not decentralized as a matter of fact, because it is 167 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,800 decentralized, which this is the thread that I found interesting 168 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,920 that player Tumu posted. And it goes, what happens when 169 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,160 Solana goes down? Better question, how does Solana 170 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,920 get back up? And he said it's decentralized 171 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,680 so there needs to be a consensus among validators. 172 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,000 Here's a peek behind the curtains, IE the Solana Discord. 173 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,920 And so he was sharing like how all engineers actually and 174 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,600 validators need to get together and like restart the network, 175 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,360 which is quite interesting. But I don't know what does this 176 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,559 mean for Seoul here? I wasn't. 177 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,840 I haven't even checked the Solana price this morning or any 178 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,039 price size. It's not that much lower. 179 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:41,320 Like it looks like it's at around 95 right now. 180 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,080 Yeah. And it dropped to as low as 93. 181 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,240 So it didn't really move on the back of this. 182 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,360 I do remember some of the outages back in like 2021, maybe 183 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,000 even 2022, it never really moved on it. 184 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,600 Like you'd sometimes see it dip a bit and people short it and 185 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,040 then it would bounce back pretty aggressively. 186 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,640 So yeah, it's it's not really, the price hasn't really moved 187 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,880 that much now Seoul has underperformed versus ETH in the 188 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:13,200 in the last two or three days, I think we moved from 0.042 to 189 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,880 0.04. Now something like that 0.044 to 190 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,400 0.04. So it's been a 10% 191 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,200 outperformance of ETH versus Seoul in the last few days. 192 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,920 But that's also from ETH strength, not necessarily sole 193 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,880 weakness and people are calling for ETH and another ETH and ETH 194 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,480 ETA rally. I'm not sure you know how much I 195 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,720 I believe it but it is it is happening to an extent right 196 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,720 now. So yeah so it has the sole price 197 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,520 doesn't really move. You know some of the ecosystem 198 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,160 coins like meme coins are down and Jupiter's down and I can 199 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,400 imagine some people might just be like if there was tourist 200 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,520 money in Solana right now after something like that you may 201 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:48,920 expect some of it leaving the chain. 202 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,160 But I know it's not really much lower and I I can only imagine 203 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,160 maybe some people try to short it on centralized exchanges into 204 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,080 this headline and maybe there's a, there's a short base on it 205 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,000 right now which which gets cleared or liquidated, I'm not 206 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,840 really sure. But yeah, I just, it's good. 207 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,840 I mean, it's not great. Yeah, exactly. 208 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,160 This is so funny. I wanted to just came out people 209 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,600 shorted soul because the chain went down as if it wouldn't come 210 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,480 back up again. LMAO that's a tweet from 211 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,280 Pitoshi. That's so true OB because on on 212 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,800 essential exchanges, right. You could still trade soul 213 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,600 because it's off like. Yeah, exactly. 214 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,720 Like my my hunch is that we will see Seoul. 215 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,840 You may see a Seoul rally late later today. 216 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,320 That's that's a bit that's a bit punchy because there's probably 217 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,600 people who are short and yeah like it's bad. 218 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,240 I think the chain going down is obviously bad and maybe there 219 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,120 was some belief this year because Seoul hadn't gone down 220 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,560 for over a year that Seoul would, you know, never go down 221 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:53,400 again. But you know, it is still in in 222 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:59,280 beta and you know even like that guy Mert who's who's a big like 223 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,200 soul dev or whatever even predicted that the chain would 224 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,520 go down again and and it did. So I think, you know, it's 225 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,000 natural to see some weakness in the ecosystem, but I personally 226 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,960 think Sol itself will bounce back from this level in my 227 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,880 opinion. All right. 228 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,000 That's that's good. I mean, look, market talks, 229 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,920 right? Like, you know, market talks. 230 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,600 And so when I woke up this morning and you to to your 231 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,400 message saying it's down, it was 90 threes. 232 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:29,760 And so obviously now higher looks doesn't look too bad, at 233 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,320 least on the last hour we saw this is a candle since it's been 234 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,240 back up, by the way. So what you're saying 235 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,000 technically speaking is just playing out. 236 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,960 So you're right 'cause. Like market? 237 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,320 Market speaks for itself here. Across all other coins, I mean 238 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,880 nothing insane. Bitcoin's still ranging in the 239 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,440 43 KS which is you know, it's interesting because you know our 240 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,480 fellow Co host Mando not here today, but he put a tweet out 241 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,160 yesterday that I that I that I kind of like to hear kiss your 242 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,880 thoughts, he said we ranged for seven months in 2023. 243 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,400 We have been ranging for two months now. 244 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,240 Are we really doing this again? And then I was like well having 245 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,680 in April. So we probably ranged until 246 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:08,600 April, which was my thoughts and it was two months we could live 247 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:09,920 with it. What do you think about that? 248 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,040 Yeah. I mean I think we had a big 249 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,960 period of price movement and action into a very big event 250 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,240 which is the ETF, possibly one of the biggest events ever for 251 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,160 for Bitcoin. So it's only natural to see, you 252 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,520 know, the focus die down a bit And for us to settle in a range, 253 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,640 something that I would say is yes, the the range is a bit 254 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,960 brutal, but the 42 to 43 K range of Bitcoin is not a bad outcome 255 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,400 to be honest with you, especially considering we 256 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:42,040 dropped to 3839 K earlier. So I think that's not a bad 257 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,760 outcome. If Bitcoin is range bound then 258 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,480 it's usually good for alts I think so people try and seek 259 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,240 other returns across there. So I think if this continues you 260 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,680 will start to see some some other alts and possibly mean 261 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:57,440 coins start to move again Bitcoin halving. 262 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:58,840 I don't know what to expect really. 263 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,480 The the rally historically has has tended to come after the 264 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,280 half the halving, a few months after the halving. 265 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,880 And so I don't think like I don't think we're going to like 266 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,080 you know, on the day of the halving, we're just going to 267 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,080 have this massive Bitcoin rally. I just I don't believe that's 268 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,760 what's going to happen. But I do think, you know, it's 269 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,960 just seems to coincide with with crypto cycles and I think we're 270 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,960 still in a in a longer term uptrend here in in the bull 271 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,880 market if you will. So the Bitcoin halving just 272 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,480 tends to, you know that it just seems to coincide with it. 273 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,840 But I don't think it's for me personally, the Bitcoin halving 274 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,800 itself is not an event where something is going to happen 275 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,280 around it in my opinion. And I think if people get too 276 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,560 excited by it, then you know, there's a risk we we dump on it 277 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:44,400 or sell off on it or whatever depending on the market. 278 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,720 But yeah, I don't think we move much on them. 279 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,680 What I would say is Bitcoin halving is in April and May is 280 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:53,960 the expectation for the ETTF. Yeah, exactly. 281 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,360 So it might be that around then we start to get pulled up again. 282 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,120 But you know we saw the impacts of GBTC on on Bitcoin and we 283 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,640 have to see if we have to see how much demand there is on for 284 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,120 the ETF and a lot of that will depend on how Bitcoin has 285 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,800 performed until then. So if Bitcoin is lower in April 286 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,120 than where it is now and the other ETFs have seen start to 287 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,800 see outflows, then the story for ETF doesn't look that great. 288 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,720 But if Bitcoin is higher than now, higher than higher than 289 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,360 compared to where it is now and we see incremental inflows and 290 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,400 people have made money on that trade, then I think people will 291 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:29,760 will want to put it into ETH as well. 292 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,240 So that's another thing worth considering. 293 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,240 OK cool. So that's that is good to know. 294 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,640 We'll see what happens closer to my my personal bull thesis here 295 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,200 and this is my own and I'm no expert at all, is that we're 296 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,440 probably like we range and we it's going to be just like kind 297 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:45,960 of like on the boring side for majors. 298 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,560 Until then there's always going to be an NFT collection that 299 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:49,960 pumps. There's always going to be a 300 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,080 meme coin that pumps. We're seeing it with the RC4 301 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,480 fours right now and we're seeing it with a lot of some NFT 302 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,240 collection on the Ordinal side like RSIC popping off like 303 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,960 sweeps on puppets and etcetera, etcetera and the cats selling a 304 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,720 $12 million at launch yesterday. So you know that that's going on 305 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,560 over there. So The thing is it's not like I 306 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,240 don't think we're going to go back to this period was like it 307 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,160 was the bear market was nothing was going off. 308 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,120 Sure we'll range for a couple of months, but there's going to be 309 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,800 a lot of things coming up and down mind you as well, a lot of 310 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,320 new narratives being spun off and stuff. 311 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,040 And then I think I would, I would think that after like 312 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,600 slowly we grind towards like all time highs. 313 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,600 I think Q3 is where we hit our highs man like nothing like 314 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,480 blast through them but I wouldn't be surprised honestly 315 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,560 to see like you know in within like you know deeper and mid 316 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,600 deep Q3 like some some highs across the board on coins. 317 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,120 But that's my personal bull case. 318 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:45,840 But again I'm always bullish even when shits perish so good 319 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,240 and bad, good and bad. I think Twitter of the day went 320 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,840 to you was that you were saying and then I'm going to move on to 321 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,440 the rest of the stuff and FTS and whatnot. 322 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,000 But I thought it was great to eat this morning. 323 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,800 Ovi, what You said it's fine babe. 324 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,680 I can take money out of crypto whenever I I need to. dot dot 325 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:07,840 dot realizes his net worth in salon and blast I thought. 326 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,080 I thought that was a great tweet this morning and you honestly 327 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,760 made me laugh so much. And a conspiracy theory. 328 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,080 I mean, This is why you like you send all the drafts during these 329 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,280 times, right? This is where you get your best 330 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,680 engagement. Definitely did the same on the 331 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,720 meme coin story. But you're like conspiracy 332 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,280 theory. Solana is down ahead of blast on 333 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,520 log to give us a good entry on each rotations into souls. 334 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,880 I thought these were great anyway. 335 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,360 So top graders usually you know you had like towel ARP, OPDYDX 336 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,200 you know as the whole salon ETH ecosystem was up so on ecosystem 337 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,160 overall was kind of down and so, so that's kind of like the TLDR 338 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,200 on the market in that front. Anyways, in coins as well, you 339 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,640 have the dimension, I believe. It's going out. 340 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,680 It's going Live Today, right? I think. 341 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,240 It's today, yeah. Yeah, it's today on the. 342 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,680 It's trading right now on EVO at the four billion fully dilated 343 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,960 valuation. It says this market will be 344 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:02,200 transitioned to a regular perpetual future shortly after 345 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,960 the token gets listed today. What price do you think it will 346 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,839 trade at? I'm so annoyed like I did not 347 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:12,119 claim my 2 pudgies dim air drops and it's like. 348 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,839 Seven. Yes, a lot, I know. 349 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:16,200 Why didn't you claim them? You just forgot I. 350 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,839 Don't know it's 'cause they're my vault. 351 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,119 And like when shit is my vault, yeah. 352 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,280 But like I. Don't like to spend like when 353 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,800 shit's in my vault like. It's a pain to transact with 354 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:27,760 them. Yeah, I understand. 355 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,280 It's like, I don't want, like, I don't know how to explain it. 356 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,320 Like, it's weird, like it's vaulted. 357 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,160 So like, I don't like fucking with my vault. 358 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,200 That makes sense. Yeah. 359 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:38,760 No, I hear you. I hear you. 360 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,720 And clearly I'm wrong, by the way, because I just missed out 361 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:48,040 on like $15,000, which you know kind of suck. 362 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,920 Yeah, Wreck Confessions. Pomerle was saying Wreck 363 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,840 Confessions. I missed out on the Dim AirDrop 364 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,440 because I'm a moron. So that's what's up on my end. 365 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,560 But I'm really happy that our homies, I know DS and a bunch of 366 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,600 other people are going to bank on that and and and did their 367 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:04,680 their AirDrop requests and whatnot. 368 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,200 So that's really cool. So we'll see where that opens. 369 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,000 But that's something cool for the for the ecosystem that's 370 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,480 going on and besides that besides that besides that I 371 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:19,280 think that's really it like in terms of like coins and and 372 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,400 whatnot it's we'll see what happens next. 373 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,480 The other story that I thought was cool yesterday, I know we 374 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:31,040 also covered it on the on the crypt is there is you can now 375 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:36,720 connect your, you can now useyour.com domain as your 376 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,680 Ethereum address with GoDaddy and ENS. 377 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,040 And there was a period of time where like ENS was like all the 378 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,200 conversation on the timeline it's kind of died down with like 379 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,160 the prices going lower on the three and four digits ENS and 380 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,920 whatnot. I know you guys at some point 381 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,680 had three digits ENS. I think you guys still have 382 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,120 them, right? Are you still? 383 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,000 Bullish. Yeah. 384 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,040 That was more of a Mando trade than a ME trade. 385 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,640 But yeah, we still, we still, we still own them, I believe. 386 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,360 Yeah. Yeah, I think you guys still had 387 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:06,280 them. I thought that was interesting. 388 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,320 So Ethereum name services domains can now be tied to 389 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,400 traditional web domains with no fees adding more functionality 390 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,840 to the process. So like if anything like this 391 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,440 just like if I'm understanding this right like this is super 392 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,520 bullish ENS right, like. Yeah. 393 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,400 Or is it a nothing burger? It says ENS domains can be 394 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,800 assigned to the theorem wallet to ease the hassle of sending 395 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,800 funds and assets. When they explain the two closer 396 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,000 together, the web domain register just linked up with DNS 397 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,480 to make it possible to tie adns address likea.com or DNS and ENS 398 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,040 named dot E so that the DNS domain can be used with crypto 399 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,720 apps. That's actually hella bullish. 400 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,880 Yeah, it's good. But I don't know, I also don't 401 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,720 like, it doesn't really like crazily excite me, do you? 402 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,440 Do you know what I mean? I guess, I guess the I guess the 403 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,200 main thing is it's kind of like justifies ENS a bit more in the 404 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,400 domain space, but. Yeah. 405 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,600 You know, I don't think things are gonna exactly like move 100% 406 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,240 on that. Yeah. 407 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,640 OK. So we'll see what happens on 408 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,440 that front. But for me, like I think this is 409 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,960 just more, it's just bullish and Jenna for crypto, cuz there's 410 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,280 more integration of crypto apps into like, you know, the regular 411 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,280 folks, you know, day-to-day like GoDaddy, like a lot of people 412 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,600 use GoDaddy. It's like the number one, like 413 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,400 domain registration business in the world. 414 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,760 So I think, I think this is not bad and another news on that 415 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,880 front, honestly, that was about it. 416 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,200 Overall, let's talk NFTS now, let's talk NFTS because that's 417 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,000 moving right now. Not on the soul side, not right 418 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,280 now, that's for sure. Y'all you know, but the rest of 419 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:51,280 the bags are definitely moving. So on Ethereum, so it's this 420 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,000 collection, right? That's going insane. 421 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,720 Which was what? Is it Pandora which is at 4 E? 422 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,400 Do you have more information on the NFT collection side of it or 423 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,200 is it because it's tied to the coin right? 424 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,120 Yeah, it's a bit, it's a it's an interesting one. 425 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:09,440 It's basically like it's a new token standard which represents 426 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:15,440 an NFT collection but allows for the token to trade like on uni, 427 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,200 swap, etcetera, if that makes sense. 428 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,480 So it's almost like it's like if it's kind of like this hybrid 429 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,920 token, like imagine if you had an, you had a whole NFT project 430 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,880 and you could actually like trade fractions of them 431 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,160 basically as a coin. That's essentially what it is. 432 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:36,760 So it's like adding unicop liquidity to the NF TS. 433 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,800 I don't know, I don't fully know how it works. 434 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,440 It's it's it's definitely a completely brand new thing. 435 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,200 So I don't know like what the different and then if you can 436 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,400 like just buy the NFT on openc I guess you probably can, but you 437 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:56,240 can also transact that on fractions of that on uni swap as 438 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,040 well. OK, it's it's pretty 439 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,440 interesting. It's like a standard that allows 440 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,400 you to like pretty much like turn your NFT collection into a 441 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,280 coin right away and apparently like Floor Protocol are in touch 442 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,160 with them and whatnot. It's very similar to what floor 443 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,400 protocol was doing right? Like you saw EU bake and MU MU 444 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,640 MU right MU bake. Or MU exactly? 445 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,920 It's it's very interesting. It's brand new. 446 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,200 It popped out. I'm not going to lie, I am 447 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,000 coping for the reason that literally I had the Pandora 448 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,680 chart open on my computer on Sunday night. 449 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,040 It was still 1516 mil. I was like, well, I'm not going 450 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,680 to ape something that went to 16 mil. 451 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:31,360 And it's also Sunday. And I'm trying not to trade, 452 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:33,280 like I haven't taken a trade since my Juke day, which I'm 453 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,760 really praying ends up well. But I've been off the chart, 454 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,080 feels good. I'm too busy. 455 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,360 It's been very healing to say the least. 456 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:40,720 And not look at the price of Bitcoin. 457 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,120 He sold in like 12 shit coins at the same time at all times and 458 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:46,480 the next thing you know it goes to 80 mil. 459 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,080 So moral of the story, don't take your foot off the pedal, 460 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,720 you know like because the second I take it off the pedal OV I 461 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,520 missed out on what is it Almost nearly Ted X right? 462 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,640 So it's it is what it is. You got to be in the trenches 463 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,720 24/7. It is a bull market after all. 464 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,720 You know, non-stop 24/7. Sunday night you got to be on 465 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,960 charts. Monday morning you got to be on 466 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:12,960 charts. Work. 467 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,440 Forget that, you got to be on charts at all times because you 468 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,120 can always miss the next 10-20 hundred X if you're not on it. 469 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:21,960 But anyways, I think this is quite an interesting one and 470 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,920 we'll see how that develops with time. 471 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,080 But it seems like a lot of people are building out with the 472 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,360 standard, so hey, could see a meta here. 473 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:31,960 Maybe. Maybe not. 474 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,320 Yeah, we'll see. I don't know. 475 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,040 Yeah, we'll see. I think. 476 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,000 I think it's very interesting. I do think it's very interesting 477 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:43,480 and yeah, I think it one of the biggest problems with NFTS is a 478 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,360 lack of liquidity, so especially if you're buying rare stuff as 479 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:48,080 well. So it would be pretty cool to 480 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,640 have that him. Yeah, no, I agree. 481 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,720 And and so still on the NFT front, mind you, some nice 3D 482 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,800 glasses sales I didn't want to talk about yesterday, but those 483 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,640 came out yesterday. That's good for you, because I I 484 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,760 know you got your 3D glasses fire, but besides that, dude, 485 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:11,920 these RSI CS man, every single time I open digens, I swear to 486 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,840 God they're higher. And we. 487 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,200 Do it every morning here. It's actually wild. 488 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,640 So they are now. They had a slight dip to point O 489 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,360 8 Bitcoin and it got slurped right away. 490 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:26,200 OV up to now it's nearly .1 BCC. Wow. 491 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,000 Yeah, it's crazy. It's absolutely insane. 492 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,040 And there was this rare one that sold, I believe for 1.8 or two 493 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,160 beat Bitcoin. So that's not nothing small like 494 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,440 one Bitcoin is 43 K So one of them sold for like 100 grand 495 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:48,360 bro, because based on the rarity of your ruin of the Rsic meta 496 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:52,280 protocol, you get to mine more ruins on it. 497 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,920 So it's like a new standard that's been created via the NFT 498 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,760 or something. I mean if it if someone's in the 499 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,640 audience, mind you and like knows better than me about this. 500 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,640 Like you're totally welcome to request to speak and like come 501 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,240 and give people a TLDR to come and correct me because I don't 502 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,680 want to. I don't want to mess this up. 503 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,320 But from my understanding this is what's going on. 504 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,200 I know Loxy is obsessed with that and he's been digging into 505 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,280 it a lot. Like he he's so deep in like 506 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,840 he's been reading Casey Rodemore's like GitHub. 507 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,680 So he's like deep. Like RCO is deep. 508 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,760 Like he's gone. He's like fully like into that 509 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,280 and it's this thing and also he doesn't tend to go all into 510 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,880 stuff like this much. Like I'm really the the crazy D 511 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,040 Gen. part of the team. So this leaves me makes me think 512 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,640 like if he's all into this like I should probably like go even 513 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,560 deeper into it because like it's pretty rare. 514 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,360 I was considering a sweep multiple times. 515 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:41,680 Did not happen. But it's OK we have our puppets 516 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,920 to make up for it. So that is absolutely crazy. 517 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,320 So if I go on the magic in front here. 518 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,280 Yeah it is here still point O95 Bitcoin dude. 519 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,040 How much how much dollars is that times it's 43 K yeah. 520 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,080 Bitcoin. Yeah, 43. 521 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,040 We're at 43. Flat. 522 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,000 Yeah, we're at 43. One. 523 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,240 So what for? Call it 43. 524 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,000 It's $4000 dude. It's a $4000 AirDrop. 525 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:06,920 And ETH is what, 23? It's at one point it's it's a 526 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,280 two ETH AirDrop now. Fuck, this is crazy. 527 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,680 That's a big AirDrop. That's a big AirDrop. 528 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,000 Dude, that makes up for the dim shit I missed, let me tell you 529 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,200 that. So we're good on that front and 530 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,320 also happening on Bitcoin. I mean look it's it's honestly 531 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,240 business as usual is over there. Everything is going higher like 532 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,080 on there like all your stuff is up. 533 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,360 I mean the OMB is still above point O 5 Bitcoin. 534 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,040 You have like this bit Smiley's now that seems to be up. 535 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,840 I'm not too sure where it is, but it's showing up here you 536 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,200 have the puppets that are back above point O 75, the note 537 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,520 monkeys, you know bounced or up again. 538 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,320 So it's it's honestly been these three leading the the the charge 539 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,160 on Bitcoin with the volumes and whatnot. 540 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,360 So it's really been RSIC note monkeys and Bitcoin puppets 541 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:52,160 that's just been doing a ton of volume on there which is really, 542 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,720 really impressive when you look at it this way. 543 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:02,600 So that's about it on the on the on the NFT side and the other 544 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,000 news again which was also on Bitcoin and I'm here quoting you 545 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,840 know Tyler did its tweet here on the screen which was quantum 546 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,680 cats white list officially closed yesterday. 547 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,040 There was only 313 left. It sold out in 2 seconds. 548 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,160 Some people said bots, some people said no bots. 549 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,040 I don't know what it is, but hey, it's still sold out. 550 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,840 So there's only 10% of the supply left for public mint. 551 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:33,880 And it says the team sold 2687 NFTS in its whitelist sale at .1 552 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,760 BTCA pop a tiny 269 Bitcoin, raise 11.4 million, and the rest 553 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,160 of it just like sold out right away. 554 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,600 So we're talking, we're really talking about a $12 million 555 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,080 raise here. You got a nicer one than me. 556 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,280 Someone's cool. Yeah, I like. 557 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,520 I actually like my one. It's. 558 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,200 Did you post? It. 559 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,040 I haven't. I don't think I posted it yet. 560 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,040 I'm just. I'm waiting for it to like get 561 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,080 to my wallet and all that, just to make sure I saw the right 562 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,200 one. But yeah, my one, my one 563 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,840 actually looks cool. I quite like mine. 564 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,680 Yeah, I wish. Everything happens on on these 565 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,520 here. Like where do you think they 566 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,040 trade after after it mints out? That's a good question. 567 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,480 So honestly I think it's two things. 568 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,960 Another goes 50% below mint, which I don't think personally 569 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,880 happens or goes to like .3 Bitcoin. 570 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:19,400 You know what I mean? Like I don't think it's, I don't 571 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,760 think it's it's like one way or the other. 572 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,440 So I I wouldn't be surprised if we open to XI point to Bitcoin 573 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,680 from point. You know why? 574 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,120 Because it's still a Tapper Wizards team after all. 575 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,560 And these guys are just like the people like at the forefront of 576 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,360 like pushing Bitcoin. Doesn't matter what people think 577 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:34,640 of the art. For what it's worth like Farr 578 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,040 has his own like art kind and like people like it so it 579 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,680 clearly sold out. There was a $250,000 sale at 580 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,280 sold the beach, which usually you're right. 581 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,080 Like I think a couple of you were saying, it's usually not 582 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,080 the way we like, you know, you know, price the whole rest of 583 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,040 the collection, whatnot because it's not had it pinned before. 584 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,120 But I think an open above point to Bitcoin is is is the most 585 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,280 likely outcome. What do you think? 586 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,720 Yeah, I agree. Look, I think it's going to do 587 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,440 really well because of UDI and I I know they they messed up the 588 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,920 the Mint process and but you know ordinals are still nascent 589 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,920 technology and there there will be more mess ups and stuff like 590 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,360 this. So it just kind of reminds me of 591 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,560 like the ETH NFC mints back in 2021 when people would delay 592 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,120 mints because something would fuck up and you don't ever 593 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,440 really see that happen anymore because the technology has been 594 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,640 developed and it's it's much more smooth. 595 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,440 So I think it will do really well to be honest with you. 596 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,120 But I also I'm going to get one, so take it with a pitch of salt. 597 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,960 I I think I'm going to like as soon as I get mine. 598 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,960 I think what I'm going to do is that I'm going to, This is mine, 599 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,920 This is not a birthmark. It's a black guy. 600 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,000 It's a black guy that he got for, for, for, for being tossed 601 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,560 around on the Bitcoin blockchain so much and being pushed around 602 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,480 and he came to me with the black eye, you know, I got the Tiffany 603 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,680 background, I got the Tiffany blue eyes. 604 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,800 That's got to be rare. So if someone wants to trade me 605 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,360 like 2 cats for my cat, you know the ends are open. 606 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,560 Obviously I'm just kidding. But I personally I think I would 607 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,960 probably will probably be replacing mine with more of a 608 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,920 forever cat type that I have that could be my adopted cat 609 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,280 forever. But definitely this is the type 610 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,520 of project that I just want in because of Udi and the team and 611 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,440 I really like these folks so their friends, their family and 612 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,040 and I think it could be cool. So we'll see what happens. 613 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,880 I saw yours potentially yours, right. 614 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,880 We want to wait till we actually get them in our wallets and it 615 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,880 was really cool. So excited to see what you got. 616 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,040 I know Sobi hit really nice ones too. 617 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,800 He actually even PFP D it already and overall like there's 618 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,000 a lot of again, like there's just a lot of excitement about 619 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,000 around everything Bitcoin. For what it's worth OV if this 620 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:49,480 opens like 2-3 X above like the the the starting price you could 621 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,160 see the ordinals market pump like the rest of it like echo 622 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,600 pump like. I wouldn't be surprised if the 623 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,920 money like a lot of the money goes back into the collections 624 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,640 that are doing well right now. Because imagine like you'd 625 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,680 minted .1 Bitcoin. Imagine you get stuff for .3 626 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,200 Bitcoin. You kind of always like, put 627 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,480 money back in, right? As a DJ because people do. 628 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,960 What do you buy? Like to me like, OK, RSIC has 629 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,680 like the narrative it's pushing. Puppets have a narrative. 630 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,920 Another monkey would be the price of your cat. 631 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,880 So I don't know if you go straight by the monkey and 632 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,520 there's a lot of stuff happening there, so we'll see what 633 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,920 happens. But that's what happened 634 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,800 yesterday, and these put a tweet out saying as soon as the public 635 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:28,280 mints ended for cats, everyone who like, didn't manage to mint 636 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,040 started buying RSIC and puppets like immediately after those 637 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,560 collections, even though monkeys went back up after the public 638 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,400 mint went live. So people. 639 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,600 Realized, yeah, because people go back to the, yeah, liquidity 640 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,000 flows back into those projects, yeah. 641 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,880 Exactly. And given that we don't have 642 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,200 enough market participants yet in the space, you know, 643 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,520 liquidity's taken somewhere and goes back somewhere else. 644 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,080 Anyways, question for you, Ovi actually went PD5. 645 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,080 Selfish question. You have a drop coming up. 646 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,400 And probably going to be end of this month. 647 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,880 OK, probably going to be end of this month. 648 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:09,080 I've I've finished most of the artwork I'm just adding like the 649 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,440 final bits and pieces and stuff. But yeah I've got the code and 650 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,640 everything working to to generate the images I've got I 651 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,520 have to say using ChatGPT to like write these scripts now so 652 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,920 much before it would take me. Like, it would at least take me 653 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,880 a whole day to write the script, and I think this one would have 654 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,600 taken me probably two or three days because it's a bit more 655 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,000 complicated. But with ChatGPT, the whole 656 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,640 thing done in about 30 minutes, which is pretty insane. 657 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,520 So it's just like a massive savior on time. 658 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,960 But yeah, I just, I just want to like add more elements on the 659 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,400 arts side to it. And yeah, it should be at the 660 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,480 end of this month. Dude, it's exciting. 661 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,120 I have to say. Like, you've been posting a lot 662 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,320 of these. You've been posting a lot of the 663 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,560 teases about what it's going to look like, and I'm excited for 664 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,360 that. Wait, let's see. 665 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,200 That last one was crazy. The Cracking 1 like this one is 666 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,840 crazy, bro. I saw it this morning. 667 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,840 I love to do many more minutes on there. 668 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,760 I think it's cool. Like you just always put little, 669 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,720 little like hands, you know? Oh, the golden boxing gloves. 670 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,920 I did not see that. Yeah. 671 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,640 That's cool. Yo, did you see Rookie just 672 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,200 announced Crypto Fight Night 4? Yeah. 673 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:13,600 I did. I did. 674 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,640 No, I'm. I'm potentially retired for 675 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,120 that. No. 676 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,760 Oh, you have a kid on the way. It's true. 677 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,440 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 678 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,680 He's like, yeah, I'm a father now, you know, it can be, you 679 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,080 know, I would I. I'm it's it's it's painful to 680 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,520 like see it and be like I'm not going to be in this time because 681 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,360 I do really want to fight again. But I don't know. 682 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,520 I want, I want someone I know to fight so I can like live, live 683 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,120 vicariously through them. So I put you up to it. 684 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,840 Somebody at me I want to look for. 685 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,880 I'm going to pick a fight. I have been. 686 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,960 I've been working out. I, you know, I've been. 687 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:52,400 I've been. Working. 688 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,720 It's yeah, but there's no chance I could box like if the level of 689 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,920 cardio required. Yeah, it's. 690 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,240 Like boxing. Like, yeah, I'm working out. 691 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,440 Yeah. You know, I'm feeling great. 692 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,880 But that's like a level. I feel like above performance, 693 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,960 right. Like I was talking to Vanessa 694 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,480 about my girlfriend, like, babe, like, what do you think? 695 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,360 Like if I I should just like get in one like, like like OV did. 696 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,159 I was like last week she's like, babe, OV was training twice a 697 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,040 day and not drinking for six months. 698 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,679 She looks at me, she's like, there is no way you're doing 699 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:24,760 that. And I was like, yeah, true. 700 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,880 It's like, let alone stop smoking weed. 701 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,600 And I was like, yeah, my girlfriend knows me pretty well. 702 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,120 Yeah, exactly you. Know we're too busy. 703 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,000 We're too busy here. I real good at the crypt for me 704 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,159 to get in the thing. I I wouldn't be surprised if 705 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,040 there's probably a shareholder agreement somewhere saying I'm 706 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,360 not allowed to do that. So I did ask yesterday if I 707 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:42,880 could go to space and that didn't work out. 708 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,120 I was talking to Axon space team. 709 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,520 They're the people that sent the thank you axe and all the snow 710 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,000 fro and everything in space. And I was on the phone with them 711 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000 and I was like, so how much is a seat there? 712 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,400 Like how do you like, can I go to space? 713 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,800 It goes well. If you raise $70 million, we can 714 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,480 send you there. I'm like, never mind. 715 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,680 I think I'm a skip. So I thought that was pretty 716 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,960 crazy. Anyways, let's pass into our 717 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,640 special guest of today. We have the CTO of leisure 718 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,760 himself in the flesh, Shao Guima in the house. 719 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,400 Bonjour. Bonjour BJ Shao, how you doing? 720 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,880 Oh, your French is amazing. I'm good. 721 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,840 Thank you. Thank you for having me to do 722 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,480 today. Listen, we were, we are glad to 723 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,240 work with you guys. You know, I know you guys were 724 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,000 powering our show for the last month and a half. 725 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,720 I know we're always doing some cool stuff with the Ledger team 726 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,280 on the rock radio side, on the rec side and everything. 727 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,400 So it's always a pleasure when we can have you guys on the 728 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,960 show. So Mr. Chaz Gimay, you are the 729 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,640 CTO over at Ledger and everything. 730 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,200 How's it been lately, how's how's the market been treating 731 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,240 you guys and how's the how's things moving on at Ledger? 732 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,240 I we we are pretty good. 2023 was a little bit bumpy for for 733 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,640 everyone in the ecosystem I guess, but that was a good 734 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,400 opportunity for us to to build to to prepare for for the future 735 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,760 and and I think we are at the beginning of a new cycle. 736 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,600 For me the the really the very important interesting part is 737 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,800 that during the last cycle we had scalability challenges for 738 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:23,360 block chains and I think during this building phase we we the 739 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,040 ecosystem have found solution to this scalability challenge and 740 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:34,360 and now it's pretty exciting to see the the next cycle beginning 741 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,640 because we will have plenty of chip blockchain space and that 742 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,280 will enable plenty of new application and this is 743 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,800 something that was not possible before. 744 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,360 Yeah. No, I totally agree with you. 745 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,560 So with the market picking up now, which is you know what 746 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,440 you're talking about and everything, what are the new, 747 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,680 you know, types of, you know, your CTO at Ledger, right. 748 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,520 So what are some of the new types of scams, exploits and 749 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,400 things that we should be aware of this cycle? 750 00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,960 There's a lot of people listening right now. 751 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,400 The scams, I mean with, with the, with the, with the market 752 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,360 picking up, the scammers are out here, they're out here and 753 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,040 they're about to be out here even more. 754 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,600 So Sean, why don't you give us some some things to to to be 755 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,840 careful of and be aware of ahead of this new cycle? 756 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,440 Yeah, that's true. And yes, cameras, they they they 757 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,400 come as soon as we have a newcomers who are a little less 758 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,560 at ease with what's crypto. Crypto is a new paradigm so it's 759 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,600 a little bit difficult to handle for a newcomers. 760 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,560 But there are a few things that people need to have to keep in 761 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,520 mind. So first of all crypto is is 762 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,720 important when you are in self custody. 763 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:47,120 I I really, I really like crypto because of the permissionless 764 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,880 aspect. And the permissionless aspect is 765 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,840 possible thanks to the decentralization of the 766 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,760 consensus but also through self custody. 767 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,680 But self custody is not that easy. 768 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:03,320 That's that's why we are providing tools to the users in 769 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,680 order to to do self custody securely. 770 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:11,200 And most most of the time scammers are trying to to 771 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,520 collect the low on gig fruits and the low on gig fruits are 772 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,800 really tricking users into doing something wrong. 773 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:25,040 And the most common scam is really to ask users for their 24 774 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,760 words. So they are creating a fancy UX. 775 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,920 They pretend that there has been some issue, some problem or they 776 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,640 they pretend that you can that you can earn a big AirDrop like 777 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,360 this kind of thing. And at some point they ask you 778 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,600 to input your 24 words into an interface and as soon as you do 779 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:52,560 you do that as a as a user you give away the access to your 780 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,600 wallet, to the scanners and that's it. 781 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,400 There was nothing you can do to revert this because the the 782 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,040 attacker would simply drain your wallet and and that's it. 783 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,320 So this is something people really need to keep in mind. 784 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,880 There's 24 words are very important and you need to keep 785 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,400 them confidential and secure. You need to secure them in the 786 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:17,440 in the safe place and the only way. 787 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,880 The only location where you can input them is directly within 788 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,680 your Ledger device if ever you need it. 789 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:30,160 Because you you will need to input them if your device has 790 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,960 been reset or you have both a new device. 791 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,120 But except for this situation you don't need to input the 792 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,920 device but at the end your 24 words are inside this nano X or 793 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:48,920 maybe inside your stacks if you are lucky to have run and and in 794 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,160 your in your 24 words back up. So this is something that users 795 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:57,920 need to keep it to keep in mind. And secondly the the kind of 796 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:04,280 scams we see is really where it's often a little bit more 797 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,600 elaborate. It's when scammers trick users 798 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:13,920 into signing transaction. So it is again, scammers are 799 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,920 promising you a a very big air drop this kind of thing and then 800 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,960 they ask you to sign a specific transaction and if you don't 801 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,040 verify what what. That's what what what is the 802 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,920 transaction you are about to consent or if you can't verify 803 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,120 because there was no clear signing then you might give away 804 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,880 the access to your wallet to to the whole wallet. 805 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,320 And this is what we see with the drainer and so on. 806 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,440 And in order to avoid that what we what we do at Azure is really 807 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,160 to create this such a enclave that is your device. 808 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,720 And also we have a big initiative which consists in 809 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,520 providing the users with clear signing. 810 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,360 Clear signing really means on the device it will be. 811 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,600 It's written what the intent of the transaction you are about to 812 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,560 consent. As of today, when you when you 813 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,200 send Bitcoin, when you when you interact with a known smart 814 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,000 contract, you have this data, it's written you are about to 815 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,000 send this this amount of Bitcoin to this specific address. 816 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,280 Do you consent to do that And then you you consent. 817 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:30,560 But sometimes with some fancy smart contract they are not well 818 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,960 supported and then you have to blind sign. 819 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,520 So blindly sign hash and you don't, you have no way to verify 820 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,040 what's what, what will be the consequences of signing this 821 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,000 transaction. And that's why we are working on 822 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,360 this very big clear signing initiatives which will bring the 823 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,120 users with all the clarity for for him to understand the 824 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,200 transaction he's about to sign. OK. 825 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,000 That's some, that's some really good advice, definitely for the 826 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,240 people. So I hope you're listening and I 827 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:04,400 hope that the people listening are not using hot wallets. 828 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,560 Well, I mean, yes, you can use hot wallets, but that's not 829 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,040 where you store all your money. Use hot wallets to mint all the 830 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,200 free mints and the bullshit alt coins and shake coins that we 831 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,520 like to apen, but that's it. It's good. 832 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,200 It's good to have to have different wallets for different 833 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,320 shoes when you want to do digen things like minting new stuff. 834 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,640 And we like, we like doing this. You do that with a hot wallet 835 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,160 you you only keep low value in this hardware. 836 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,360 But for the for the value that is important for you. 837 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,720 Maybe it's important because it's a lot of of dollars at the 838 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:41,000 end, but maybe it's important because this is your favorite 839 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,120 NFT. So for this valuable you will 840 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,320 put them in your, in your code wallet, in your leisure device. 841 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,000 OK. Perfect. 842 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,080 I'd love to love to hear that. And I guess, you know, next 843 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,440 question is, you know, why is why Ledger, right? 844 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,600 You know, that's you're the CTO, so I mean you're the guy I need 845 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,560 to ask this to. Why Ledger? 846 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:04,240 Why? Why? 847 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:07,280 Why is Ledger, you know, the most secure hardware and 848 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,280 software player in the space? I personally use Ledger. 849 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,600 Actually, what was what was easy with you guys the other day, I 850 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,840 was talking about it. I stick my Solana natively on 851 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,000 Ledger with a few buttons. That's what I did with my own. 852 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,000 Obviously NFADYR. To each their own. 853 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,920 But that's what I proceeded with my Solana because it's easy to 854 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,200 see. I like the interface and 855 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,800 whatnot, but like, you know how? You know why, Why, leisure and 856 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,240 and and when it comes to using your software and hardware. 857 00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:37,200 Yeah very very good question. So first of all again self 858 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,320 custody is really important at the end. 859 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,240 If you have Bitcoin or ease or NFT or on an on an exchange on 860 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:47,520 revolutes, you're you're not really in crypto like you you 861 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,840 are. You have an exposition, the 862 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,160 financial exposition to crypto value. 863 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,280 But it's very different from owning crypto and and owning 864 00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,360 crypto really means being in self custody and being in self 865 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,120 custody means you own your keys not your not your keys not your 866 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,960 coin. This is what we what we to say 867 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,920 and and then the security of these keys is really paramount. 868 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,160 If an attacker gets access to your keys then it will drain 869 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,000 your wallet and there is nothing you can do to revert this. 870 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,600 So that's why a security is paramount and and in the 871 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,120 security world there is nothing better than than segregating the 872 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,800 location of your properties from the application. 873 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,400 So this is really what hardware wallet in general are made for. 874 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,240 They are separating your priorities from the Internet. 875 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:43,200 So this is this is what we built at Ledger. 876 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,480 So you have a different option in terms of hardware outlet. 877 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,640 To be honest, if you use any hardware over it, it's 100 times 878 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,840 better than only a software over it. 879 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,440 If you use only a software over it, your private keys are are 880 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:05,240 not at risk and using a hardware over it is is 100 times better 881 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:06,440 than the than a software over it. 882 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,800 And then when you use a hardware there are different shade of 883 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,000 Gray. And what we what we are trying 884 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,960 to do at leisure is really to have the highest level of 885 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,600 security but also having great ease of use. 886 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,480 It's because if if you design a security solution that is so 887 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,080 secure that no one use it at the end you don't solve any problem. 888 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,560 And this is not what we what you what we are trying to do. 889 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,480 We are really trying to to have a good trade off between the 890 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:40,480 high level of security and ease of use and and what we do is 891 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,800 trying to have like simple devices that do one thing and 892 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,560 and do it well. The security part and for the 893 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,520 UX. For the UI we have we have built 894 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,120 different application and the July is the main one where you 895 00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,800 can manage all your crypto in one place and then you can buy, 896 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:06,120 sell, swap, stake you can you can have a credit card and all 897 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,360 of these are services that are provided by third party and and 898 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,400 we are connecting the third party to to the user. 899 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,840 So as a user you have a nice unique interface with all your 900 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,760 crypto and you can do plenty of things with your crypto and as 901 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,480 soon as you need to access to your crypto to transactions and 902 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,760 so on then you you will use your hardware your your device. 903 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,640 We we are also an open platform so it's possible to use your 904 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:40,000 device on different dabs and so on and it's it's interoperable 905 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,720 and we are working into in improving our devices DK so that 906 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:49,280 the the the UX when you use your device outside the fledge Dr. 907 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,800 would be even better. This is what we have in mind 908 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,880 these days. All right. 909 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,080 That's pretty cool. And so last last question I got 910 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,080 for you here, Charles, what's Ledger Dungeon? 911 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,560 Oh, the dungeon is is our internal security. 912 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,280 Yeah, the dungeon, this is our internal security research team. 913 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,480 So basically this is what we, what we call a red team in in 914 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,200 the security world. And their main mission is really 915 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,320 to try to break our devices. So this is what they do 916 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,840 day-to-day. They they try to find 917 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,040 vulnerabilities on our devices, on our, on our products in 918 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,600 general and when when they find vulnerability it is then they 919 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:36,000 work with the engineering teams in order to improve, improve the 920 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,840 security of our product. Also they are spending some time 921 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:45,040 doing some R&D in the space and sometimes they are participating 922 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,040 to securing a little bit more different product we have. 923 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,840 We have different partnership with with other team because at 924 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,400 the end securing the ecosystem is important for for everyone 925 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,840 it's important for the ecosystem. 926 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:03,520 So if we can participate into into this we we we are glad to 927 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,120 do it. So the the dungeon is really a 928 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,240 team of security expert and it's it's quite amazing. 929 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:14,520 They can break almost almost anything just a matter of time 930 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,560 and and and effort and equipment and so on. 931 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,200 So they have plenty of bigger equipment it's really 932 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,920 interesting to to enter the dungeon and but by the way we we 933 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,680 have we have done some videos to present the dungeon. 934 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,960 I think that they are called enter the dungeon. 935 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:37,600 I think it's the space of four videos and it gives you some 936 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,680 some high level view on what what it is to to to try to to 937 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,720 break hardware devices. All right. 938 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,320 Love to see that. Well, thank you so much. 939 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,560 Charlie, I guess last question for you. 940 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,280 Are you going to use those skis behind you? 941 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,960 I I love skiing, but there's there's one a little bit old. 942 00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:02,040 I think they are 60 years old. Sixty and I at some point I 943 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,120 wanted to try them, but my feet are too long. 944 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:13,840 So I I I avoided to break a leg. Yeah, maybe maybe avoid that for 945 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:14,440 sure. All right, Charles. 946 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,520 Well, thank you very much for coming on today. 947 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,960 Charles Gimmez, City of Ledger. So for anybody curious, I mean, 948 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,440 check out Ledger. You know, I got a couple always 949 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,240 hanging around me. And make sure you guys protect 950 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:25,920 yourselves with the hardware wallet. 951 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:26,720 Thank you, Sal. Good. 952 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,040 Stay. Safe. 953 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:28,840 Thank you. Bye.