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Welcome, Rick. 
Radio. 

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You. 
You there What? 

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Episode 110. 
I thought I was taking a hosted 

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man. 
You were hostile takeover in my 

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intro I'll. 
Take over there. 

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Yeah. 
Episode 110. 

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I was coming in hot. 
I was coming in hot. 

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Wow. 
How's. 

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It going I'm at a job like OSF. 
We replaced OSF with Kook. 

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It. 
Feels that way. 

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Episode 110 is sick I got to 
say. 

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Was it always once a week 110? 
Sponsored by E The best crypto 

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casino, the only one you should 
be playing out. 

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I agree. 
Actually. 

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Last time I was sort of like 40%
effort shilling luck a little 

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bit, but now luck is trashed. 
I don't know if you saw the 

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probability issue. 
Like they can change it. 

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Yeah, now I'll fought him. 
I don't care. 

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I got rid of the badge. 
Coming at us. 

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I don't even know why. 
Very bizarre behavior. 

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We've stopped engaging just 
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bad faith so far so. 
I would ignore. 

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What the people do whatever. 
Yeah, it's it's pretty much 

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slash ignore at this point. 
See that that weirdo trading 

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acts manipose? 
Who the fuck knows what's going 

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on there. 
Yeah, Andrew Tate. 

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Everyone says that's Andrew Tate
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Yeah, it's definitely not Andrew
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It's like some guy in his garage
in the fucking bun in this. 

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Yeah. 
We can see the kick chat. 

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OK, awesome. 
I'm on the kick. 

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Have you guys gone on the on the
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It's quite cool. 
It's worth it's worth going on. 

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We we only we've kind of swapped
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our normal producers who are 
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So we're not going to be able to
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screen today, but we'll be we'll
be there hanging out. 

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So go go check us out on Kik. 
Go follow us as well. 

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Obviously a lot of prizes are 
going to be tied to that, but 

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yeah, yeep versus luck IO it 
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Not even a thing though. 
I don't feels like we're not. 

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We're not going to go there this
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Too much drama with with those 
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I don't even know. 
It's just bizarre. 

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It's just, it's weird. 
But whatever they want to do. 

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But it's good to have you back, 
Kook. 

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Obviously, yes, thank you. 
Full week as a as kind of a Co 

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host OSF is is apparently going 
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halfway through the show. 
Wrecked radio with special guest

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OSF, who's leading wrecked 
wrecked drinks, who seems kind 

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of funny. 
But yeah, he's he will be coming

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through either way. 
We're going to continue the same

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to the format, which is more 
just like a conversational show.

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I think we're going to touch 
points upon a bunch of stuff. 

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I think last week we'll just go 
back to what we were saying last

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week, which is just we said 
that, you know, war was always a

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buy. 
It did happen like over the 

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weekend. 
Obviously it got it got bombed 

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the main main plants in Iran and
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like could extend into something
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But I was taking a step back and
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right. 
Like I kind of feel like one 

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thing that Trump did here was 
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that he's he's he kind of means 
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Like there's a lot of oh, he, 
you know, he's all chat. 

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If then he always backs out the 
last minute. 

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This this wasn't all chat. 
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useful for negotiating to show 
that you can go, you can go 

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there. 
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geopolitical flare ups, you've 
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Taiwan, which I don't think is 
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least. 
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to this. 
When's the Fed going to cut it? 

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It feels as though in some ways 
is it is it now like a much 

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better investing horizon here, 
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Like it's not really much that's
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Now that was. 
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September on Fed watch like shot
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yesterday or today or something.
I just checked today. 

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But yeah, I think kind of a 
favorable macro environment. 

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Like there's there can't be many
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It seems like war, the war was a
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Each new headline or like war 
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reaction from the market. 
I'm heavily biased and I'm 

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always a permeable like. 
But yeah, I think we're through 

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it and I think it was a buy. 
As we said last week, you'd be 

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happy. 
Yeah, nothing ever happens. 

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It's true though, nothing that 
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something that happened the last
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Wrong SO. 
But this feels like the this 

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feels like the final nothing 
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Like it feels as though the the 
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this could be a more 
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because it's on. 
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I think everything's on the 
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I think I think there's a chance
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peace deal, it'll be for, you 
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And then that's like oil will go
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I think it is set up for a 
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I don't know if the market 
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rates go down. 
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like a 100% correlation. 
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of wobble when you have like the
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I just don't know what what's 
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nukes the market here. 
Just unseen, right? 

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But it doesn't seem like 
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It's up until the right summer. 
Bitcoin especially is just tied 

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to the stock market. 
Stock market doesn't fucking go 

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down. 
Obviously that means crypto's 

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matured and all the the shitty. 
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The good speculation, like the 
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When's that going to start 
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That's really, really what 
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Like Bitcoin is just like up and
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It's forever. 
Grind up, grind higher. 

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When is the fund going to come 
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When we can invest in coins and 
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don't know what they're doing by
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It's in the stock market. 
It's pretty clear. 

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Like I think that that like I 
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these narratives and you're not 
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a short term 1 or a medium term 
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This whole like shift to trading
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companies feels like that's what
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altcoins right now. 
That's just. 

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I mean, are they these guys? 
Do they even know how to log in 

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to an account and fund it? 
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their bank account? 
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don't have that. 
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altcoins. 
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many tweets have you seen about 
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Circle stock and it's it's not 
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Seen in our comments section on 
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I think it is. 
I think a lot of it is I I feel 

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as though that's really taking 
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What do you think? 
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so I see a lot more of sort of 
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whales or like more 
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of an entry level requirement in
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stock market and making money, 
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Like they're not you're not 
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And so you've seen Anson and 
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hood and like, you know, I'm 
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these different things. 
Like I kind of I'm looking at 

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all markets all the time. 
But I do think, yeah, like KB 

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Ms. right. 
Like, you know, when are we 

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going to get the the new hyper 
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totally weird on chain only. 
And like, a bunch of dummies are

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going to pump money into 
something stupid like, say, a 

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cartoon in 2021 or like a meme 
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Stocks can't Like, yeah, the the
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stocks. 
Like, you know, Robin Hood's on 

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fire. 
Like, there's a lot of money to 

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be made. 
And maybe the D Jens can play 

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around with like, the options, 
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But like, they'll all just get 
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I kind of do, you know, about, 
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people who don't know what the 
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Like I sell a lot of options on 
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pretty good. 
Well, you sell, Yeah, I think 

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it's in between or you sell. 
Yeah, well, I haven't touched 

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Coinbase. 
Like Coinbase last year I sold a

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ton of puts and then, you know, 
I'll take the stock and then 

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I'll sell calls. 
And like right now on Circle I'm

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I'm long a bunch of shares, I'm 
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different strikes and I'm short 
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strikes because like the option 
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so and I aped it like day one. 
I was tweeting about that. 

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That was like kind of, yeah, 
they had to watch me. 

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Everybody on CT told me I was a 
fucking idiot, bro. 

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Everyone's like, they don't make
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They're not profitable. 
This is you're going to, you're 

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going to go bro, blah, blah, 
blah. 

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I'm like for a month leading up 
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But like for a month leading up,
I'm like, I'm thought blasting 

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this thing day one. 
Like I don't care what price it 

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Like my average like 81. 

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And I was like tweeting, I'm 
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this for 1/2 an hour. 
And even the comments that they 

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are like, you're a dumb kook. 
You're dumb, you're dumb. 

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Week later they're like, how did
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Is it isn't that so interesting 
that these guys will say that 

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about that and then they'll buy 
like dog shit and dog 75 and be 

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like this is going to a billion.
It's like the disconnect. 

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It's. 
Bizarre, but the movie. 

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The movie is amazing. 
Looks like a meme point right? 

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Like that's why I kind of feel 
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It's the same. 
Circle like it looks like a mean

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Has that blow off top. 
Yeah, but right, it looks 

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exactly like a mean point. 
It had this blow off top move 

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and then it's kind of like it's 
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It's so liquid, it's very thin, 
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Of helps feels like the same 
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So two things I want to mention 
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which is the ETH one that's the 
only one I'm I'm kind of looking

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at a little bit more here. 
That's the one that's down 90% 

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from its high. 
I just get the feeling that if 

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they get one long term line of 
capsule that might that might 

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move up again. 
That one's had a a big move 

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lower. 
The second thing I wanted to 

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figure out is to put in the in 
the show chat. 

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Like have you seen SPF? 
Like SPF what he would have been

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up on his Robin Hood buys. 
Have you seen this tweet? 

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Oh my God, no. 
But I I've heard that what 

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you've made $4.6 billion from 
from from hood. 

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This is after and flop it right?
Anthropic would have been worth 

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a few billion at this stage. 
He sui sui. 

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I believe he had like a 
disturbing amount of the 

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initial. 
Man, I feel sick for him. 

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That's. 
Crazy it wasn't just the soul 

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billions too though. 
Like he had a huge soul bag they

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liquidated or something. 
Too right? 

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Yeah, it's called Cursor. 
Cursor AI, like every single dev

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in the world is now using 
cursor. 

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SPS is that of his. 
Time Was he the best investor in

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the world? 
This guy may have been one of 

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the best investors of all time 
and he got taken down by trying 

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to save his own fucking prop 
fund. 

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Like this guy could be worth 
$100 billion with some of these 

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investments. 
Or or STX. 

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Altruism that could have 
happened. 

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What do you think man? 
It's like is this just Did SPF 

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just get fucked here on the 
timing like it is? 

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I think he was there too early. 
Sometimes you're just too early.

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I think he got fucked, yeah. 
He was too early and too 

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aggressive. 
You know what I got to hope, 

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though? 
He's a young guy, like he's in 

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prison. 
He's coping. 

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Like I can't imagine it. 
I'm sure he's been in that 

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position before, but it's bigger
this time. 

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I want to see him come out and 
make a trillion. 

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I would have messed in him 
honestly. 

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He seems like he knows what he's
doing. 

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There was that guy back in the 
80s, Milken, right, who did the 

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high yield bond market. 
Do you remember that guy? 

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What's his name is Michael 
Milken. 

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Is it Michael Milken? 
Yeah. 

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Michael Milken who who went to 
prison and then came back and is

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now worth 1010 billion, right. 
Like went to prison for a while,

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but he was like a genius who 
like made yeah, made higher 

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bonds and like first. 
I can't get the feeling that 

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you're right. 
He he gets out of prison. 

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This guy is he will be a 
billionaire. 

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There's just no doubt about it. 
Like these are crazy how good 

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some of these investments are to
get Purser, Robin Hood, Suey, 

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Solana and Anthropic. 
I don't think you're going to 

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get it better. 
Did he have any LS? 

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Like what did? 
He go to prison and shit. 

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Might have been the L. 
Yeah, I mean, I mean in the. 

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Portfolio. 
Maybe Katherine? 

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We had a kind of a Big L We lost
everything. 

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Yeah, I don't think he had that 
many. 

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I mean, you could argue that 
that that like the Sam coins 

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were the L, right. 
Like he, he had a, he had a like

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a, an attraction to Griffs at 
the same time, which and that's 

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what got him like the like the 
immoral stuff is really what 

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caught up with him. 
But like his ability to see 

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value in things is also just. 
Like insane. 

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OK DJ and Tai. 
I'm just looking at the cake 

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chat. 
His GF was kind of an L. 

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No comment but. 
That made me laugh. 

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That's what I said. 
I said Catherine was the L. 

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Catherine was the LA few 
unrelated to investing LS. 

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Well, sort of. 
But do you think, let me just 

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pitch this a little bit and 
we'll go there is the whole 

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like, oh, we need to like 
evangelize the the guy created 

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what what's the what's the 
website that everyone was like 

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the the went to and he went to 
prison? 

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What's his name again for 
Bitcoin Guy Ross? 

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Ross, Aubrey. 
Like we evangelize Ross. 

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Like, Oh my God, he did this, 
but like we need to get him out 

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in prison. 
Do you think like we're just 

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early to the SPF movement here? 
Do you think there's going to be

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a group of? 
People there's a bit different, 

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like 1 is perceived that he 
stole all the customer's money 

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and fucked them and everyone. 
You know, early CT guys love 

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drugs, so they're like, this is 
my guy. 

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Yeah, but was it just drugs? 
Feels like there's some other 

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stuff going on going on back 
there at the Silk Road, right? 

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It was Silk Road. 
Sorry, I forgot the. 

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Name it was that early CT 
nostalgia for Ross SPF. 

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Too late on that. 
But like SPF and Ross, like I 

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like Ross like, you know, he's a
legend, whatever. 

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Like I think his, his prison ID 
card sold for like $11 million 

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or some crazy number like the 
other week. 

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But he was like, yeah, maybe I'm
going to get like Smited for 

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saying this and I'm not, it's 
just for, for discussion. 

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But like, he wasn't really like 
an early crypto visionary. 

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It's not like he had the Bitcoin
thesis, right? 

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Like he was running like a 
marketplace for illicit goods. 

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Chad, love it. 
Like, yeah, it's great, but 

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great business as an investor. 
Like this, this other 

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conversation about SPF, like as 
time goes on, you know, two 

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years ago he was the guy that 
stole everyone's money and like 

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blew up the biggest exchange and
kind of fucked everyone. 

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But now we're talking about how 
he was like maybe one of the 

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best growth investors of all 
time. 

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And he had a crystal ball, you 
know, what is that conversation 

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like in 10 years? 
Like he was, they're different, 

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you know, like Ross was right 
place, right time, illicit 

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marketplace happened to be a 
Bitcoin pioneer, but it was SPF.

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Like, you know what, Charlie 
Munger, Warren Buffett kind of 

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guy who fucked the timing up. 
Yeah. 

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Feels like that. 
I mean, it's tough to argue with

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it here because it's now looking
like his portfolio would be 

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worth at least in the 10s of 
billions and who knows in the 

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next 10 years. 
Like it, it, it, it could have 

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been something insane, which 
means it, it feels more like a 

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liquidity issue rather than a 
solvency issue. 

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I think that was like the main 
thing. 

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There's like this hole in the 
balance sheet before. 

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And now it feels like that there
wasn't necessarily a hole in the

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balance sheet. 
That was just a need for instant

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liquidity to fit to, because he 
got caught out by, you know, 

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some of the moves around that. 
And obviously like finance had a

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part to play in like doing that.
And that kind of moves with 

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hyper liquid recently make you 
feel as though, you know, 

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they're not clean. 
Yeah, there was no doubt that 

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like, there wasn't really a hole
in this balance sheet. 

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If if this if this had gone on 
for another 12 months or maybe 

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even six months. 
He was just crazy out of the 

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timing. 
Of he was like doing weird, they

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had no compliance right, and he 
was like Co mingling customer 

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deposits with like company 
assets and like, I don't know, 

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their risk management seemed non
existent. 

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But yeah, if he if he could have
kept it going for another like 

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year, six months, whatever it. 
Is like and no, yeah, yes. 

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That's a good question. 
So what do you think SPF would 

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have bought in 2025? 
Hyper liquid? 

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What's SPF? 
What's the SPF buying at this 

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stage? 
I think he would have Max aped 

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the hyper liquid AirDrop at 
$4.00 when I was saying it 

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wasn't. 
A bug, probably, right? 

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They probably would have bought 
it all. 

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Like that's funny. 
I think towards the end he was 

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he was building a sports book as
well though, right? 

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I think he would have probably 
been early to some of these 

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sports, sports betting firms, 
particularly in new West 

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reaction markets and he would 
have probably gone into that 

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right. 
You've got to you've got to 

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assume that Polymarket would 
would probably not be where it 

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was today if. 
I was like, yeah, I was going to

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morph into that sort of thing, 
right? 

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Felt that way. 
What do you think of this $1 

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billion market cap for 
Polymarket? 

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Because I've heard anecdotally 
that they don't really make that

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much money. 
They actually lose a lot of 

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money on because it's like a 
sports book, but they're like 

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they take a lot of the risk. 
Essentially, why wouldn't they 

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if they call market making? 
No, they actually take they, 

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they take a lot of positions. 
It's not just fully market. 

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They directionally take 
positions though. 

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Yeah, so like they I. 
Thought it was like maybe I just

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don't even know what's going. 
On no like they they provide 

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some of the liquidity for the 
books so. 

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Like they take the other side of
some guy's bat. 

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Often, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So it's not just like a like if 

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you look at the revenue, the 
revenue of that company, it's 

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not, it's not just up and to the
right, but but at the same time 

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the equity value is insane. 
And if a bigger casino or 

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gambling firm in the US were to 
buy them, like I think they 

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would obviously be worth the 
time. 

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Like you've got to assume that 
somebody like DraftKings is 

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looking at this business and 
thinking, hey, we should. 

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I think it's beyond that like 
and I don't know, yeah, I'm 

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probably under informed, but 
like that's never stopped me 

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from having a strong opinion in 
the past. 

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So the reason I would say like I
would buy this at a billion 

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valuation, I'd probably buy as 
much as they let me. 

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And the reason is because of the
Twitter relationship and the 

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Twitter integration, like which 
I think if they're going to go 

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into gambling and investing or 
not, sorry, not gambling, but 

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Twitter's going to have some 
kind of trading and investing 

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like layer. 
And they seem to have started 

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that with Polymarket. 
Like if you're able to take bats

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on events and news and political
stuff and like, you know, bet 

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directly through Twitter on 
Polymarket, it's worth way more 

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than a billion. 
Like Twitter has a billion users

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or something? 
That's a good point. 

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I do think the value of Twitter,
I mean we've seen already this 

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week that they're going to get 
into payments. 

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It does feel like this 
everything app has a shot at 

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least, but an integration with 
Polymarket feels feels good. 

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What what has really impressed 
me is that I thought it would 

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die, not die, but like the 
volumes would really drop off 

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after the election. 
And even this week was like what

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happened with like Iran and 
stuff. 

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Like it's crazy that like they 
they have done a very good job 

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at maintaining just interest in 
stuff to bet in every single 

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week. 
Like it's not just a, a, another

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way to do sports betting, right?
It's, it's actually like it's 

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become a bit more than that. 
It's, it's become like this, 

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this way to bet on the news a 
little bit. 

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Like if I go on there right now,
you have the, the New York City 

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mayor elections, you have the 
Fed decision and you know, a 

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decent volume going through like
$60 million just on the, on the 

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Fed decision for July. 
There's probably real money to 

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be made on this. 
Have, have you, have you looked 

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at this at all like, as like a 
way to make money? 

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Do you think you could probably 
make more money on this? 

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And sometimes in the trenches, 
like it feels as though there's 

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some OK things you can do. 
It's. 

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Hard for me to bet on political 
stuff. 

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Like I like it and I love to 
watch the markets, but like I'm 

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not yeah, it's not my preferred 
bet, but I think the way I look 

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at Polymark is like if you 
wanted to express like an 

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opinion on something through a 
bet and like they've got 

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everything like you could go 
Google like or like you can 

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search Polymarket for anything 
current events, political like 

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and sports like. 
The biggest bets I've put on 

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Polymarket have been on Anthem 
and big boys fight because they 

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it wasn't on any of the crypto 
sports books or like any of the 

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usual sites and like right, yeah
and so, but everything's always 

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on polymarket and I actually 
hated to go use it because I 

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don't like using Polygon at all.
But I guess you can use main 

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net, but I was always using it. 
I'm probably going. 

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So yeah, I don't know. 
I think that their thing is just

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like coverage over everything, 
which I guess to your point, 

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like if they're taking the other
side of the bets half the time 

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or sometimes they're not as 
profitable as they or you might 

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think. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

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I'm not a big like probabilities
better guy. 

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I used to do this a little bit 
like when, well, maybe it was 10

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years ago and then I just 
stopped because I got bored with

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it. 
But I do think there's like 

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almost a selling options bit. 
There's similarities to this to 

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selling options in my opinion, 
Because what I tend to find is 

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there are a lot of things that 
are priced probably higher than 

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they're actually going to 
happen. 

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And yet they attract people to 
bet that they're going to happen

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because everyone's like, oh, 
it's a 50X if it if it actually 

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happens. 
Do you know what I mean? 

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And I think most people are 
attracted to the upside of these

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trades. 
So like the idea of a let's say 

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A50 bit decrease in in July from
the Fed, right? 

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That's a, that's a 2% odds right
now on point market. 

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I think the financial markets 
would put that at a 0% odds, 

439
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,920
right? 
Like they would put that like 

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much lower than 2%. 
But because there's a way to bet

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on that and it attracts people 
to do the 50X trade people, 

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people there's, it naturally 
trades almost higher than it is.

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So I think there is almost like 
a way to sell options here. 

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Do you know what I mean? 
Like you're selling. 

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That's a good point. 
But but yeah, like. 

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And there was one the other day 
where someone put a bet on it. 

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You know, I think, I think when 
Jerome Powell came out and he 

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always says good afternoon, 
right? 

449
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,040
He always says that. 
And yet, like, it was like this 

450
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,400
crazy thing that the guy put on 
the bet. 

451
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,320
But I actually think that's 
where the alpha is. 

452
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,960
I think people look at the 50th 
to think, oh, that's the bet I'm

453
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,840
going to put on. 
I think the alpha is doing the 

454
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,960
opposite bet, but just in quite 
big size basically. 

455
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,480
Yeah, that's interesting. 
I'm thinking the opposite of 

456
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,120
what you said. 
You think that that is now that 

457
00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:45,360
we had this conversation, like 
so I always notice on Polymarket

458
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:49,440
that stuff that has like a 1% 
chance on Polymarket, but it 

459
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,440
might be like a conversation 
topic. 

460
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,120
Degen's just chased the 50X like
you said, right. 

461
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:58,120
So like I'm trying to think of a
good example, but the the 

462
00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:01,080
mayoral, mayoral candidate for 
New York or whatever. 

463
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:03,520
I think you might have just won 
or whatever, the socialist guy, 

464
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,400
socialist Muslim New York mayor,
not to, not to talk about that 

465
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,160
too much here, but his Poly 
market odds were like 1% at some

466
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,040
point. 
And if you were like, hey, I bet

467
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,600
this will get a lot of 
conversation, just the like the 

468
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,320
election itself. 
And this guy's at 1%. 

469
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,560
I'm going to buy some tokens and
like it'll go up to 20 or 

470
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,160
something when the news is 
talking about it all day and you

471
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,600
sell it before the election, 
right? 

472
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,160
Like don't wait for the outcome 
but look at the spike man. 

473
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,960
Look at look at this now. 
Actually, this is a lot. 

474
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,000
This is a really good idea. 
Go down, go down. 

475
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,960
Right now they still have 22% 
that Eric Adams is going to win 

476
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:46,040
this, like 3% that Andrew 
Cuomo's Cuomo just conceded the 

477
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,920
race. 
Do you know what I'm trying to 

478
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,480
say here? 
It's like, why is that 3%? 

479
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,000
Off there can't be any. 
Liquidity there like. 

480
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,200
What this can be right? 
Well, there is. 

481
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,120
There is liquidity. 
That's the point. 

482
00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:57,720
So you're saying the race is 
over? 

483
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,120
But what I'm trying to say is 
that like, I actually think the 

484
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:06,760
trade here is to is to go after 
the things that people bet on 

485
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,200
because there's a bet on and 
they like the idea that it's 

486
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,680
like a 50X and it's just the 
race is fucking over. 

487
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:17,560
Like, and maybe you don't bet 
like all your money with it, but

488
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,600
if you want a consistent way to 
make money, I actually think 

489
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,280
that's the trade. 
And that sounds really boring. 

490
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,840
But like, I just think people 
don't, they'll always say 

491
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,840
there's a 1% chance of anything.
They'll always say it's a 1 to 

492
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,960
2% chance of anything. 
And actually, sometimes the odds

493
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,400
are way lower than that. 
They're like way, way lower than

494
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,760
that. 
I don't know, something seems 

495
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,280
weird there. 
There can't be that big of an 

496
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,360
inefficiency, right? 
I don't think people see it as 

497
00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:44,560
an inefficiency though. 
I think there's just a natural 

498
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,840
demand always to tail events in 
the world because people like 

499
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,360
to. 
People just like to always bet 

500
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,080
on that. 
People like a binary lottery 

501
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,840
ticket. 
Right, exactly so there'll be. 

502
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,400
Some money in there, yeah. 
They'll always keep money in 

503
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,440
there because they'll always be 
like, OK, this is that's just 

504
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,720
gambling, you know, because 
they'll be like, oh, I don't 

505
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,640
mind it was a 50XI lost money on
it. 

506
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,600
Who cares? 
But actually there's like a 

507
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,920
consistent way to make money. 
I think by taking the other side

508
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,040
of it and being like people, 
people are not valuing these or 

509
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,400
are doing these probabilities 
right. 

510
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,120
That's if I was to go on to Poly
market, that's how I'd try and 

511
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:24,360
make money. 
But but yeah, that's that's one 

512
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:25,880
way to make money. 
I think in this market, I do 

513
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,080
think that you can make make 
more money than that. 

514
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,720
I think there's it's not a bad 
way to like consider stuff. 

515
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:32,640
Yeah. 
The other thing. 

516
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,680
So in the trenches as we went 
live, you, you were talking 

517
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,040
about this SpaceX con. 
Do you really want to talk about

518
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,640
that a little bit? 
Like I've only seen it on my 

519
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,080
timeline, but it's suddenly gone
a bit more like this week. 

520
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,720
The stuff that I've seen is 
house, house, chill house, which

521
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,960
I'm kind of laughing quite a 
lot. 

522
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,960
I also laugh at chill house. 
I don't have a bag but. 

523
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,520
Yeah, it's funny. 
I, I enjoy it. 

524
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,160
I've seen a little bit of this 
useless coin, which I I don't. 

525
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,840
Damn. 
At 1:40. 

526
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,640
Yeah. 
And then now there's this SpaceX

527
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,520
stuff. 
What? 

528
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,720
What? 
Take a start. 

529
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,440
OK, I'll talk about SpaceX for a
SEC. 

530
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,800
So I just so the first thing, I 
love Elon Musk. 

531
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,960
I used to hate him about a 
decade ago, but now I'm a big 

532
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,760
fanboy. 
And so I got a ton of Tesla 

533
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,560
stock just because it's the only
way to get Elon exposure. 

534
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,480
And I would, you know, if, if 
and when SpaceX exposure is 

535
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,000
available in whatever form, 
I'll, I'll get some. 

536
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,000
And so probably 10 minutes 
before the show, I started to 

537
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,160
see these tweets from like, you 
know, most of the big Solana 

538
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,080
KOLS and like, Mert, like, you 
know, it's got a close 

539
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,120
relationship with Tolley's, a 
big, like, presence on Solana. 

540
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:45,800
And they're all tweeting about 
how I forget the company's name.

541
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:54,160
Man, let me go to my tweet. 
What is the Protocol Republic? 

542
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,160
OK. 
So the Republic is going to have

543
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,200
this R SpaceX token on Solana 
and everybody's tweeting you 

544
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:04,000
will be able to buy private 
equity exposure to SpaceX with 

545
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,200
this token, which is sick. 
And I should say before I like 

546
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,360
say the rest of it, I'll 
probably buy this thing, right? 

547
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:10,920
Because like perception is 
reality. 

548
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,160
And half the time in crypto, the
thing you're buying isn't 

549
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,800
actually what you think it is. 
So I'll probably buy this thing.

550
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,080
I'm sure it's a good way to make
money, but it is not SpaceX 

551
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,840
equity. 
And the token has nothing to do 

552
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,760
with SpaceX. 
It's not linked to SpaceX. 

553
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,160
People, like, think that. 
People think that. 

554
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,000
Bro, all the KOL's are tweeting 
that they're dumb as hell. 

555
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,400
So what it is, is it it is a 
derivative instrument that aims 

556
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,200
to mirror the performance of 
SpaceX equity. 

557
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,520
Now the issue I have with that, 
but I'll tell you what I think 

558
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,000
is going to happen. 
How? 

559
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,360
What? 
That's what I mean like there's 

560
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:49,600
no, there's no like there's no 
information, right? 

561
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,160
Like how how often do they mark 
to market a private like equity?

562
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,560
Well, this is just. 
Not possible for so many. 

563
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,240
It's not possible. 
Let's go along. 

564
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,800
So what'll happen, will it? 
It'll look like when they 

565
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:08,080
fractionalized crypto punks on 
Bitcoin, like they like bridged 

566
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,400
and burned a crypto punk. 
And then there was all these 

567
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,240
like little tokens anyway. 
So the sum of the tokens ended 

568
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,400
up being worth 10 times what a 
crypto punk was worth. 

569
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,400
And like HGAHGE did the same 
thing on Seoul. 

570
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,120
You know what I mean? 
Because like they'll, they'll 

571
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:25,280
put this token on Solana. 
There's no reference price. 

572
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,200
Like there's no some stale price
for SpaceX private equity from 

573
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,320
whatever two months ago or 
whatever it is, wherever they 

574
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,080
get to pricing and they can 
guess at it, whatever. 

575
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,040
But the free market on Solana 
will bid this thing to the sky 

576
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,440
and it'll be like, I just don't 
know. 

577
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,840
Like if, if it's a derivative 
and they're going to say it's 

578
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,920
going to mirror the performance 
of SpaceX then. 

579
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,800
I mean, it's just. 
Sounds like What does that mean?

580
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,800
Yeah, it's weird, but you're 
going to see it all over the 

581
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,080
timeline. 
Like all these all these Kols 

582
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,240
talking about how yeah, you can 
buy SpaceX on Solana and stuff, 

583
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,360
so. 
That's going to go so much high.

584
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,120
That is going to go so much 
high. 

585
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,640
KBM don't don't make purpose 
like I'm. 

586
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,200
Buying it. 
I'm buying it for sure now. 

587
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,760
Is it live? 
Is it live right now? 

588
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,320
No, no, it's not. 
It's not live well, I better. 

589
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,960
I thought it was. 
Right now looking for it. 

590
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,000
I'm buying it too, bro. 
I'm going to buy it, but it's 

591
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,840
like, yeah, you'll be, yeah, 
it's it's going to be. 

592
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,400
What else do? 
Worth way more than or sorry, 

593
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,840
it's going to be like have a 
massive premium, right? 

594
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,960
Like master has a 2X premium to 
Bitcoin and this thing will 

595
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,680
probably have 1000 X premium to 
SpaceX. 

596
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,240
When's it coming out? 
I actually don't know. 

597
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,160
I got to see all I did. 
I saw three tweets and I just 

598
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,240
wrote my own like FUD. 
Tweets you never let us know to 

599
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,520
because I'll. 
Fucking oh, you're doing a 

600
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,000
you're doing a FUD Tweet to make
sure you get get a good entry. 

601
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,920
No. 
I I was more doing a tweet like 

602
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,800
I already did it, but I bang on 
tweets in eight seconds, bro. 

603
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,760
But no, just to kind of explain 
to people like, hey, this is 

604
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,160
what they say it is and this is 
what it actually is. 

605
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,440
I'll probably get Fudded for it.
They'll be like, you're just 

606
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,560
spotting Solana because you're 
like hyper liquid there. 

607
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,560
So I'm just objective on every 
chain. 

608
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,240
Guys. 
I'm going to ask Brock when is 

609
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,280
the token coming out? 
I'm I'm still scared of Solana 

610
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,680
coins ahead of punk fun. 
Like I feel like when that thing

611
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,200
gets launched, which could be 
any any day really, or it's 

612
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,920
going to be in the next two or 
three weeks, like all of the 

613
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,520
Solana coins are just going to 
dump really long their token. 

614
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,440
Sale, Yeah, they moved it to 
July, like yeah, mid mid-july I 

615
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:34,520
think. 
Feels like I don't know, It's 

616
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,280
tough to it's tough to maybe 
this this one will be fine. 

617
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,120
But like I do think the Solana 
mean point market gets a bad hit

618
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,560
in the back of that or maybe 
it's already happening like 

619
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,200
they're they're down quite a lot
I guess. 

620
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,200
I think it's been yeah, I don't 
even really trade Solana memes 

621
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,600
anymore man. 
I just like I said the same 

622
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,720
thing that you got to pick if 
you want meme exposure just by 

623
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,360
far coin or Pangu like I don't 
you got to pick the multi cycle 

624
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,840
coins and then gambling in the 
trenches is a whole different 

625
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,200
game. 
I still kind of do that because 

626
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,080
it's fun, but the size is small 
and like I'm expecting to get 

627
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,520
rugged. 
It feels like there's like one 

628
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:16,080
coin every couple weeks at the 
moment rather than once a day it

629
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,600
and even then. 
So what is this useless point? 

630
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,800
Like what? 
I already get the feeling it's a

631
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,960
it's a scam but like what? 
Tell me why. 

632
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,840
I'll tell you about it. 
OK. 

633
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,360
Well, again, I'm like, yeah, if 
you made money on useless coin, 

634
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,960
you like useless coin, That's 
cool. 

635
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,200
I want to see everybody win. 
I'm not here to fuck this thing.

636
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,480
I don't have a bag. 
But yeah, as like a, you know, a

637
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,320
crypto market participant and 
like, I like memes. 

638
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,280
And I think that I'm I'm AI have
a good eye for memes. 

639
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,800
And so the first thing is it's a
bonk coin, right, like bonks 

640
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,480
launchpad. 
And so they launched their 

641
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,000
launchpad 8-8 months too late. 
Like they got soul port Tom. 

642
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,440
He just doesn't really seem to 
get it. 

643
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,280
They're they currently have a 
hackathon encouraging teams to 

644
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,320
like tag certain market cap 
targets and they win 200 grand. 

645
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,040
Like they're literally running a
contest for scammers. 

646
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,880
And so they've tried to like and
they always use pow and like 

647
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,400
these wash like meme coin 
scammer guys to it's just 

648
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,440
they're trying to cabal up a 
runner right Tom tweeted every 

649
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,200
single day when's the 1st bonk 
100 million runner blah blah 

650
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,600
blah. 
And they tried it with give and 

651
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,880
then they tried it with posts it
Co and like all these just tired

652
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,960
derivative copy paste ideas like
they haven't had a single 

653
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,760
original meme. 
Useless isn't original either. 

654
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,400
USDUC is way better. 
There's other coins that are way

655
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,880
better that had the narrative 
first. 

656
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,800
But yeah, it's a bonk cabal 
attempt to manufacture a major 

657
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,080
runner. 
There's almost no organic 

658
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,520
holders and they just kind of 
push the value up. 

659
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,320
And they got the same five guys 
tweeting about it that they had 

660
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,000
tweet about all their cabal 
attempts. 

661
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,280
Yeah, it's a, it's a hollow 
cabal crypto scam. 

662
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,320
We've seen many of these. 
But if you're in it early and 

663
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,880
you wrote it up, GG, like make 
money. 

664
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,000
But this? 
Thing is not the future. 

665
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,360
If you ask me. 
Yeah, like someone tried to 

666
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,760
explain it to me today. 
I was like, oh, you know, 

667
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,760
because it's like useless. 
It's like it's like a far coin 

668
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,400
driven. 
I was like, I've seen so many 

669
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,320
attempts at being like, oh, 
we're going to create a coin, 

670
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,360
which is so hilarious that it's 
like it can be worth value. 

671
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,320
Just calling it useless doesn't 
seem like it's really catching 

672
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,200
on. 
I don't know, like I felt I felt

673
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,080
like buck coin had a much better
chance than useless. 

674
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,320
Like it's, it's not. 
It's not funny enough just to 

675
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,320
call a. 
Coin no. 

676
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,240
And it's also like I call a lot 
of these things far coin 

677
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,200
derivatives because it's like 
the derivative is like the 

678
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,360
spirit of the coin, right? 
And like this idea that it's 

679
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,640
like overtly hilarious, like her
look, it's useless. 

680
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,080
There's no point to it. 
Ha, ha, ha. 

681
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,040
Like, come on, guys, we've been 
making this joke for a year. 

682
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,760
Like there's already been tons 
of coins. 

683
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,960
There's better ones to buy. 
Yeah, Like it's so it's all 

684
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,000
tired to me, you know, And like 
that's a bit of mid curving 

685
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,800
because when I knew that they 
were going to ball it, I could 

686
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,000
have just bought it and made 
some money. 

687
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,400
But like, but I want a 5X on 
this dumb coin. 

688
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,360
I already traded 20 things that 
are the same. 

689
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,480
Like there's just way more 
interesting stuff happening. 

690
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,000
So yeah, I don't like it. 
I want to see originality out of

691
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,320
these bunk guys. 
Like I, I tweet about this a 

692
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,440
lot. 
They probably hate me. 

693
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,880
But like guys, just get it 
together. 

694
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,400
Like you got infinite resources.
You got the money to run this 

695
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,560
thing to 100 million or 200 
million, whatever it is. 

696
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,400
Go pay some 15 year old autistic
D Gen. to make you a cool coin. 

697
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,159
I agree. 
I actually agree those guys have

698
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,320
more money than God. 
Like talk about making a casino 

699
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,280
makes you money. 
Making a trading bot over the 

700
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,760
last two years is ungodly money.
It's just fucking ungodly 

701
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,320
amounts of money spinning up 
hundreds of millions on on just 

702
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,320
quite repeatable tech it feels 
like. 

703
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,120
Yeah, it's crazy. 
Photon wasn't even paying for 

704
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,160
distribution. 
Like if you were on a Photon ref

705
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,600
link as a KOL and like, I don't 
know how they had so many people

706
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,360
shilling. 
You don't even get a share of 

707
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,440
their fees at all. 
You just got points for their 

708
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,880
fake AirDrop that like never 
came and is never coming. 

709
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,520
It's just wild. 
And they were making like 3-4 

710
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,280
million a day when like, things 
were crazy on fees. 

711
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,480
And it's yeah. 
Very, that's a good point you 

712
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,560
make like bullets never did a a 
token right And everyone was 

713
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,880
like, oh, bullets token coming. 
What they going do bro? 

714
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,840
I'm like, I have a lot of points
there. 

715
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,520
I don't think so man. 
Like I and I'm a bull X, I'm on 

716
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,840
an. 
Exclusive build, brother. 

717
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,640
I need a open T token. 
I need all this stuff. 

718
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,880
When What was the last one you 
cooked on Blasts? 

719
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,200
I didn't even know we Co 
invested in blasts I think. 

720
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,400
Giving us our coins. 
Wait, do we do this? 

721
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,040
Fucking I think it's tge dude so
I don't know it's. 

722
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,320
Been tge but was there an 
unlock? 

723
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,200
Like do we sit on coins? 
I don't even realize. 

724
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,920
I don't know, I feel like we 
should probably find out about 

725
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,920
that one. 
It's it's that's a. 

726
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,680
Good call, I'm glad you brought 
it up, but the best one I've 

727
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,480
ever done was Blur. 
That was good. 

728
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,600
Rather, that one still trades at
$200 million. 

729
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,080
I was looking today like as a 
coin, like it's the current 

730
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,920
market cap is higher than Magic 
Eden. 

731
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,640
And I was like, that's crazy. 
But blast still is 30% of the 

732
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,360
NFT market, 30 to 40%. 
That is insane, right? 

733
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,120
Like I, I had no idea that they,
that I, I went onto their 

734
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,640
Twitter and the last thing they 
tweeted was like 4 months ago 

735
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,280
Blast and the last thing they 
tweeted was like, hey, we're 

736
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,200
actually building something 
else. 

737
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:41,600
It was like, oh, OK, bring up, 
bring up the Blast X account. 

738
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,920
It's so they last tweeted in 
May. 

739
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,520
We've decided not to re the 
newer service agreement was safe

740
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,240
and then blast mobile. 
Yeah. 

741
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,840
Well, they are. 
Blasting off whatever happened 

742
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,760
that chick that made her all 
identity blast she. 

743
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,960
She gave us the hyper liquid 
top. 

744
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,720
Yeah, brother, she she pivots it
to what's her. 

745
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,440
Identity now look IL probably or
what is it? 

746
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,320
No, it's hyper liquid, bro. 
She tweeted a, she tweeted A and

747
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,560
she's cool. 
Like I met her. 

748
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,320
She's nice, but like, man, she 
at the the literal pico top top 

749
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,520
tick hyper liquid. 
Like she tweeted this, this 

750
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,440
photo of her in a bathtub with 
like, Oh yeah, it was accurate. 

751
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,480
Soap. 
Covering her. 

752
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,800
Yeah, bro, dude, that. 
Was the Oh man, it's not going 

753
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,560
to be the top for long. 
Let's let us pray. 

754
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,520
But man, too perfect. 
I don't know. 

755
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,760
That was a pretty good run. 
I mean, like, I mean, yeah, I 

756
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,440
don't know. 
That was a pretty good run in 

757
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,400
the Hyper Liquid coin. 
I'm I'm buying, I've been buying

758
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,080
hyper liquid in this period. 
I've actually been putting on. 

759
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,320
This is why I mentioned I, I 
mentioned that we should try 

760
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,720
create our own hyper liquid bulk
because I've been doing, I've 

761
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,520
been doing this myself a little 
bit. 

762
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,200
Oh. 
Wow, what happened? 

763
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,960
What happened? 
No, she's got a different 

764
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,080
account. 
It's like DJ Jen or something. 

765
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,680
Maybe this is her old one I 
remember. 

766
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,840
Yeah, you were thinking about 
doing a vault, Amanda, right? 

767
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,040
Yeah, because I was like I'm 
doing this now like I've gone 

768
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:17,800
long hype Bitcoin EE and what 
else did I get along SPX she 

769
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,840
went along and Ave. 
And I'm sure a bunch of dog 

770
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:26,720
trash, like absolute trash. 
But mainly it's it's Bitcoin and

771
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,080
hype and a little bit of ease. 
But I. 

772
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,200
I think a vault is so cool. 
We should create a vault and 

773
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,840
then just that this might be 
quite fun each week to see how 

774
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,640
it's done because I think it'll 
all be public. 

775
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,200
I can run it. 
I can run it, you guys can. 

776
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,360
I can have my own little hyper 
liquid fund that you guys can 

777
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,240
all invest in hedge fund. 
Yeah, I'll invest in it. 

778
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:53,600
I love it. 
Like I I love the idea of a 

779
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,840
wreck Radiovault and like I love
the concept of the vaults in 

780
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,920
general. 
It'll take a long time for this 

781
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,200
to get like the traction that I 
hope it eventually gets. 

782
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,080
I'm like full bulb hyper like, 
you know, it house all financial

783
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,480
markets on hyper liquid 
eventually be like 10 years like

784
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,200
who knows? 
All all have taken a lot of 

785
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,680
profit before they get to the 
dream. 

786
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,120
But like, you know, I spent, I 
worked in banking for a long 

787
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,040
time, like I worked in asset 
management, like traditional 

788
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,760
hedge hedge funds 2 and 20, like
99.9% of potential investors are

789
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,160
like screened out because 
they're not accredited. 

790
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,960
Like I want to see a 15 year old
D Gen. in a hoodie, complete a 

791
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,000
non a massive billion AUM on 
hyper liquid in a vault and 

792
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,000
outperform Wall Street. 
Like, I just want to see, yeah, 

793
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,200
I love the concept. 
Maybe, maybe that's what we 

794
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,120
should do 'cause we took we 
spoke about creating a Bitcoin 

795
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,000
treasury company. 
Pump just raised a billion 

796
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,840
dollars for his maybe this is 
our play to to cash in on the 

797
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,120
ever growing value of wrecked 
radio and OSF really did it was 

798
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,560
it was a good showing from him 
again turn up halfway through. 

799
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,960
Yeah, you lied to us again. 
I mean like Bros is not to be 

800
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,760
fired. 
Does he does he get any equity 

801
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,720
in in the hyper liquid vault? 
I feel like, I feel like he's. 

802
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,120
Putting as much equity as I got 
in wrecked in the hyper liquid 

803
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:19,760
vault. 0 You got, you got, you 
got some free drinks three 

804
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,800
months too late. 
UN fucking believable. 

805
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,280
Should we start running the lamb
chop stuff or what are we 

806
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,720
thinking? 
Now, no, I think, well, maybe we

807
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:32,720
do it in 5 minutes, 5 minutes. 
Yeah, whenever. 

808
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,960
Let's keep running it then. 
Hyper Liquid Vault. 

809
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,720
Yeah, yeah. 
I think I'm trying to think what

810
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:41,280
else we can like we're making 
money on this week. 

811
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,280
I guess some of these dead 
chains rallied like that coin 

812
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,080
that that save thing went up 
like fucking 2X. 

813
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:49,920
That was like a big. 
Move. 

814
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,360
That was crazy. 
Yeah, I was surprised. 

815
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,560
About that, I think that's just 
because everyone was short it 

816
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,920
rather than like it was 
necessarily that much value. 

817
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,520
There's some talk about Jump 
crypto coming back into crypto. 

818
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,120
I don't know if you guys have 
seen this and that this is a 

819
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,440
Jump crypto coin and they're 
they're doing the same thing 

820
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,440
with Aptos and a few other ones.
So like maybe pay attention to 

821
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,080
what Jump it. 
It feels like they're going to 

822
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,000
do a DWF crime season here on on
their return back into crypto. 

823
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:23,160
So like people are well jump, 
you know, the market maker, 

824
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,040
they've come back. 
Into crypto. 

825
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,760
That's this coin, obviously. 
This is a jump crypto coin 

826
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,480
apparently. 
So there's there's an idea that 

827
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,360
they're going to like any piece 
of like rough news about one of 

828
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,280
their coins you're going to see 
like DWF style candles. 

829
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,360
You know, there was that period 
for a while where it was like, 

830
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,040
oh, it's a DWF coin. 
Like we could get a period here 

831
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,320
where you're going to see it's a
jump crypto coin. 

832
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,200
So people are like following 
their portfolio a little bit 

833
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,160
more and be wary of like 
shorting anything that goes up 

834
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,480
like 100%, which which they're 
involved in because they're 

835
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,480
probably the ones they're 
probably the ones pushing it. 

836
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,880
Other than that, yeah, 
Hyperliquid was had kind of a 

837
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,320
nothing weak. 
Feels like Bitcoin is the only 

838
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,440
thing that like you can just bet
every week it's going to go 

839
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,320
higher. 
Ethan Sol kind of a bit a bit of

840
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,560
nothing. 
The trenches. 

841
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,040
Trenches didn't really make that
much money. 

842
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,320
It's been yeah, definitely quite
a week. 

843
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:22,240
Maybe it is just, maybe it is 
just on chain gambling that we 

844
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,240
we have to make money on. 
Yeah, I mean, there's not. 

845
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,400
What do you guys trade for fun 
or gamble or like, you know, I 

846
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,160
used to, I used to be just like 
trenching and flipping meme 

847
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,360
coins and like doing that week 
to week, day-to-day. 

848
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,520
And it was the IT was the high 
volume sector where it was 

849
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,480
pretty easy to make money and it
was extremely active. 

850
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:48,480
And now for months it's like I 
don't make a lot of trades and 

851
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,920
I've probably, well, not 
probably in the last three weeks

852
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,080
I've made more trad FI trades 
than I have in crypto. 

853
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,440
And I've just been kind of 
holding Bitcoin DCA hyper 

854
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,200
liquid. 
Like I'm so on chain, I'm not 

855
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,880
really doing anything 
interesting. 

856
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,280
Are you guys? 
For the last two months I've 

857
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,360
I've done a few different 
things, right, like I've done, 

858
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,120
I've had some big positions on a
big position ETH we received 

859
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,920
relatively well and then I moved
to this like right, I'm going to

860
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,520
actually do like a long short 
portfolio here. 

861
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:19,600
The actual thing that's made 
easily the most money for me is 

862
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,440
is like algo, like algo AI 
trading box which I put quite a 

863
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,480
lot of money in a couple months 
ago. 

864
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:28,760
Has it been? 
Working. 

865
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:33,200
Brother like the best ROI 
possible. 

866
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,680
That one of my buddies tells me 
you fucking tipped me off on 

867
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,240
that like a year ago. 
Are you investing in the bots or

868
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,000
you're giving the bot money and 
AI is trading for you? 

869
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,000
What? 
So, so I've been, there's a 

870
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,480
platform I use which is called 3
commas, which is relatively well

871
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,680
known in crypto, but there's 
another of other ones. 

872
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,800
I checked out a few of them, I 
forget the name of some of them,

873
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,040
but like just do some research 
yourself into different firms 

874
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,240
who kind of do this a little 
bit. 

875
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:03,440
And some of them are quite 
basic. 

876
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,200
They're like grid bots where 
like they'll just buy and sell 

877
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,400
for you and they trade in the 
volatility. 

878
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,240
And obviously we've gone 
sideways for a little bit here. 

879
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:15,160
So like it's been relatively 
good, but I put on AI trading 

880
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:24,760
bots in like Bitcoin, ETH, Pepe 
and what was the other one? 

881
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,560
No, I think it was those three 
and like decent sized and easily

882
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:32,200
I've made easily the most money 
on that stuff than I have on 

883
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,080
anything else and barely, barely
any ever draw down like anything

884
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,400
significant. 
That's cool, I got to look into 

885
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,280
that. 
Yeah, it's because then you just

886
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,120
also, what I tend to find is I 
make the worst decisions when I 

887
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,520
just have money in stables or 
money just in something which I 

888
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,360
don't consider to be like high 
risk. 

889
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,440
So like this just locks it up 
because it's kind of annoying to

890
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,480
put it on and but once it's on, 
you just don't really think 

891
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,520
about it. 
And it's just like running in 

892
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,680
the background. 
It's almost like a it's like an 

893
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,480
S&P portfolio. 
Do you know what I mean? 

894
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,320
Like it's just there. 
And no, I know what you mean. 

895
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,920
And I know what you mean about 
like making bad decisions. 

896
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,480
Like not bad decisions, but 
sometimes I'm like idle hands, 

897
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,160
I'm bored and I'll like find a 
trade. 

898
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,040
Like, you know, OK, I got to 
look into that. 

899
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,600
And you, you get too big in it. 
And then you're like, oh, you 

900
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:20,600
know, this was actually a bad 
idea. 

901
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,680
Like I should have done that. 
And, and for me putting money in

902
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:30,360
this, I've I've you know, I've 
put mid 7 figures in this stuff 

903
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,600
now and done way better than me 
doing some of the other stuff 

904
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,160
I've been doing and way less 
stress. 

905
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,080
I just don't even think about 
it. 

906
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,880
It's just, it's just there. 
Let's check so the the best 

907
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,520
firms I've seen for it, because 
you can do this in stocks too a 

908
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,560
little bit right now. 
Like I do think the the depth 

909
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,080
the democratization of algo 
trading for retail with now all 

910
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,320
these new AI models is here, 
right? 

911
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,200
Like what what used to be given 
to like 3 Sigma or like these 

912
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,400
these like incredible AI trading
firm hedge funds of the past, 

913
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,600
like you're going to be able to 
do with these chat, chat with 

914
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:13,560
these like ChatGPT and some of 
these AI models in seconds now. 

915
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,080
And you can now do it with 
stocks as well as crypto. 

916
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,920
I think like there's there's 
another one which I saw a crypto

917
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,000
AI trading box. 
Let me see if I can find the one

918
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,160
that I was looking at, which 
looked interesting. 

919
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,560
Intellectia, intellectia AII 
looked at this for a long time. 

920
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,520
This is like built into the 
stock market as well. 

921
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,000
But like I do, I think a lot of 
this stuff is going to become 

922
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,920
very popular. 
And it's not, it's not, it's not

923
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,200
the shitty algo that used to be 
sold 1015 years ago. 

924
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,640
Like they're pretty complex now 
and they they probably replicate

925
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,640
some of the, some of the kind of
advanced ones the hedge funds 

926
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,600
were running for for a while. 
So like, I think there's some 

927
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:56,560
bad news that's. 
Cool. 

928
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,560
So like 3 commas dot IO is just 
the one and they like they run 

929
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,680
your exchange account. 
Yeah, you just you, you have an 

930
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:09,440
API into your Binance account 
and your futures account and it 

931
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,960
just trades it for you 
basically. 

932
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,080
Sick. 
How long until it's like robots 

933
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,440
fighting robots and it's just 
about your edge is now finding 

934
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,600
the newest, best robot I know 
they're not robots. 

935
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,120
I just call them robots I. 
Think it's kind of there. 

936
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,240
Like you, you add the nuance of,
hey, these are the things I 

937
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:30,160
think you're going to do well 
versus not. 

938
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,600
So like if you are, for example,
that guy who did the hyper 

939
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,280
liquid bolt, if you're like I'm 
bullish on hyping Bitcoin and 

940
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,680
maybe a couple other things, you
could run a long box on those 

941
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,720
things. 
And if you're short on all the 

942
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,960
high FTV scam coins, you could 
run short bots on the other 

943
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,480
things. 
And actually, you'll probably 

944
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,440
trade you'll, you'll make like 
extra 5060% return here just 

945
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,360
just on the trading because it 
trades volatility in that stuff 

946
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,160
as well, right? 
Like it keeps a position, but 

947
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:02,840
but trades the volatility, which
in crypto is like is a feature. 

948
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,400
It'll, it's just always going to
be so like having something that

949
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,080
you can just leave and you know,
it's trading for you. 

950
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,440
I found it really helpful for me
just as a trader like to like be

951
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,320
able to switch off a bit more. 
Nice. 

952
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,840
Yeah, that's super interesting. 
We should looking at or I 

953
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,160
should. 
Let's get on to the lamb chop, 

954
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,600
fellas. 
Yeah, let's do lamb chop. 

955
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:27,200
Yeah, let's go. 
What do we got? 

956
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,600
Let's go roll the names. 
So let's get these names out. 

957
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,080
Luck. 
I have 70% RTP by the way. 

958
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:41,520
Yeah, those, those figures are 
wild at. 

959
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,440
Least at 94. 
But anyway, here we go. 

960
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,480
Lucio L. 
Oh. 

961
00:49:03,290 --> 00:49:12,890
Wow nice, I like the taste. 
If this one starts with AG, it's

962
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:16,650
rigged, yeah. 
Let's. 

963
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:20,920
Go. 
All right, all right, let's 

964
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:21,920
fucking run it. 
I'm. 

965
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,280
So we're all running it. 
We're all running it again. 

966
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,280
Each one we run it for. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

967
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,480
Use whoever. 
So who was first last time? 

968
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,400
You were first last time. 
Should you undo Geo Joel? 

969
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,480
Yeah, Cook goes first, last. 
Cook goes first. 

970
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,240
Oh yeah, I went last last time. 
Who am I? 

971
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,320
So what do we do, $1000 a 
thousand? 

972
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,960
We've got 500 in the bank, so 
like they've got some money. 

973
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,080
In. 
The bank. 

974
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,160
Now it's just to play for 1000. 
All right. 

975
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,760
You played it conservative and 
got killed last time if you were

976
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,960
watching. 
Let's let's see what he does 

977
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,360
this time. 
Here we go. 

978
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,040
OK, well, I'm going to be like, 
yeah, I got to assume that this 

979
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,280
is meaningful money to the guy, 
and so I want to help him out. 

980
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,480
He's got. 500 bucks for just. 
Six, we got 500. 

981
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,160
OK, we'll see how I'm feeling. 
OK, go go for the first one. 

982
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,680
Nice frog diet. 
Oh, oh God. 

983
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,360
Yeah, kick him. 
That's a good sign. 

984
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,160
Oh my gosh. 
One that was crazy. 

985
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,240
OK, go again. 
OK, go again. 

986
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,800
So he's got one. 
No, no that. 

987
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:32,560
Was the same. 3 One day I'm 
going to hit the casino, all 

988
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,280
right. 
I'm lucky in this thing. 

989
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,520
All right, let's go. 
I'm going to play a little bit 

990
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:46,280
more risky, so let's go, go. 
I'm at least getting to the tree

991
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:52,120
all right, so keep going. 
Oh my God. 

992
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,040
My goodness. 
Right. 

993
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,880
Day Who am I playing for? 
We got to play this one, say. 

994
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,920
Smart D Gen. 
I believe. 

995
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,000
Smart D Gen. 
Oh my God, but I got killed on 

996
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,640
the first one. 
I was going to be so tilted. 

997
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,720
It's not that difficult to reach
them. 

998
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,640
All right, play. 
That's that's I'm a winner for 

999
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,320
KBM. 
No. 

1000
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:15,520
Are you kidding? 
Me. 

1001
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,960
Oh, he was going I. 
Thought he was going to win it 

1002
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,960
all. 
Personally, I don't know. 

1003
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,640
They all won 500 bucks. 
Should we do one more and split 

1004
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,200
between them if we were if see 
see how far we go. 

1005
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,520
Yeah, how are we going to decide
when the we'll? 

1006
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,080
Split between them. 
Let's split between them equal. 

1007
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,520
But I just like clicking the 
button like I'm trying to go all

1008
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,000
the fucking. 
Way do it like I'm trying to get

1009
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,080
a do a split one till like the 
let's. 

1010
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,760
Split the train tracks. 
Let's split this one. 

1011
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,480
Let's see if we can try and get 
the train tracks. 

1012
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,240
We'll try and get to the train 
tracks or nothing. 

1013
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:51,440
OK chat, OK. 
Oh my God, we're getting. 

1014
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,960
Man, it's not. 
The wolf is hungry today. 

1015
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,440
All right, one more, I'll just. 
Click it one more, one more. 

1016
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,680
Take us to the fucking train 
tracks. 

1017
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,160
Come on, come on. 
Here we go, fellas. 

1018
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,880
There you go, it's going to 
happen. 

1019
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,120
I'm going to click it. 
This is for splitting it. 

1020
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,640
We get it, you. 
Want to keep going or no? 

1021
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,000
I mean obviously I want to keep 
going but like I have like. 

1022
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,520
No, let's let let let this is a 
win for everyone. 

1023
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,280
We we gave out some money in the
check it. 

1024
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,280
Feels like it's going to stop at
7200. 

1025
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:22,800
Well, if you, if you do, I, I 
don't want to. 

1026
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:25,560
Yeah, if you do one more, they 
all get 1000 right? 

1027
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,760
Oh wow, that's just. 
Saying one more, one more. 

1028
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,120
Yeah, I would. 
Quit now, Cash. 

1029
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,920
Cash, cash, cash. 
They will get 1000. 

1030
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,760
They will get 1500. 
That's a nice Oh my. 

1031
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:47,480
Goodness, Oh my God, I'm a 
loser. 

1032
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,640
Sorry, but no, it's still a big 
win boys to the listen to the 

1033
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,480
Smart D gun and BODO and Dow. 
Oh my God. 

1034
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,080
Just. 
Give them all 1000 each though 

1035
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,760
and plus the 500 they all won 
1500 today. 

1036
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,120
Oh, won 1500. 
You guys all won 1500? 

1037
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,960
Oh my. 
God, bro, I'm like, I'm. 

1038
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,440
I need to log off. 
I'm addicted to playing this, so

1039
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:09,440
we got to get out of this 
account. 

1040
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,400
Yeah. 
All right. 

1041
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,240
Great show today. 
Great show. 

1042
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:17,440
Yeah, I enjoy these shows. 
This has got a good energy to it

1043
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,120
and we get involved. 
I love it. 

1044
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,600
Hopefully OSF doesn't ruin the 
vibe next week. 

1045
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,360
Let's see. 
I'm worried so if he's ever 

1046
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,000
coming. 
If he's ever coming. 

1047
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,320
If. 
He's even coming. 

1048
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,240
He probably. 
Is a fucking call. 

1049
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:33,320
All right, guys. 
Well, this was episode. 

1050
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,560
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1051
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,880
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1052
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1053
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,840
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1054
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1055
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,280
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1056
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,000
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