Good morning. Good morning, everyone, GMG and
welcome to another episode of the promo hour.
Hey, hey, close Thursday 2025. What day has already been?
This can get better. Here we have a huge.
OK, huge. Trump is back saying he's going
to make crypto great again in the US.
We had a mega Kaido AirDrop this morning, the pain token pre sell
last night, and some big news out of the SEC which might have
just stopped crime season in its tracks.
Plus folks, our biggest guest in quite some time, legendary
artist Sam Spratt, is joining us halfway through the show to talk
everything about the Masquerade. This is a big one.
We've been looking forward to this show for days.
Farouk is still out in Asia. Mando might pop in.
He may not be able to join us, but we've got Ovi on with us.
OSF fresh off his pain trade fresh off Paris.
Ovi How you doing GM? When you GM, when you were like,
we've got our biggest guests in a while, legendary.
I was like waiting for my finger.
And I was like, oh wait, obviously you're talking about
sound, not me. We have two legendary artists on
with us. Sound definitely much more
legendary than me. It's good to be back.
How you doing man?
I'm good. It's it's been an eventful day
already, but we are feeling good.
How was Paris? I'm sad I wasn't able to go.
It looked like it was a lot of fun.
It was good. I mean, I really of all the NFT
events and stuff, Paris one I enjoy quite a lot.
There's a ton of people that turn up.
I think there's like the actual conference itself.
There's at least 20,000 people that roll by.
And this time I felt like there were a lot of people who weren't
really in the NFT space, not even necessarily in crypto.
They had some AI events and that kind of stuff.
You know, we have like a big wrecked booth at each of these
events and we just hand out drinks for free.
And I felt like last time 95% of people who turned up were people
in the space who kind of knew what we were.
This time it was a bit more 5050 where people were like, you know
what, what is this? What is this drink?
How is it related to crypto or web 3 and and and and stuff?
So it was good. Like it was a lot of a different
crowd, I think to usual. So yeah, I had a good time,
enjoyed it, but good to good to be back, I think.
Nice expanding that top of funnel exactly.
Love to hear it folks. We're very excited to have
legendary artist OSF on with us as well.
What are we talking about? So we're going to chat with him
to start. We're going to talk markets,
alts, cooking a little bit, this breaking news about this SEC
cybercrime unit. We're going to talk to the Kaido
AirDrop. We're going to talk to the pain
presale. I also want to get Obi's
thoughts on where AI, crypto AI is here.
And then second-half of the show, Sam Spratt will be joining
us to talk about the Masquerade, the idea, how it came up with
it, how it's going to work, the one-on-one sale and a whole lot
more. So we are stoked for that one.
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All right, Sims, do we have music for Ovi or should we just
dive right in to our market chats?
We actually don't. I removed it a while back.
Oh, sad. You know when you joined, we
switched it out, we got your own.
You can play your Jingle if you want to go with it.
Let's do it. We need, we need a Jingle here
today. All right, folks.
Well, I'll take a quick overview and then I just want to get into
more high level conversation with OSF here.
But it's like Bitcoin 97,000 right now on the dot.
It's up 1% on the day ETH up in line, ETH 2730 sold up a bit
more back at 173. So it seemed like we've been
kind of grinding up a bit here this week off of the Tuesday
intraday lows. Some alts are cooking, seriously
cooking. So the story protocol, their IP
tokens up 23%, Barra up 22%, back to $8.
Celestia say Pythe all up double digits on the day as well.
So some nice movement and alts we see SPX is up there, one of
the top movers and also I think memes overall, pretty much even
on the day kind of chopping in this zone right now.
Not a whole lot of big movement on that board news wise.
There wasn't a whole lot of big news that that really came out
yesterday from a macro standpoint.
We had Trump come out and say talk about how he passes
executive orders to effectively end Biden's war on crypto.
No new details really came out from that.
I think the biggest piece of macro news broke this morning
right before the show. So we've got DB tier 10K
reporting. The SEC has launched a cyber and
emerging technologies unit. It will combat fraud in crypto
among other areas. And folks, if you, if you dig
into this and what they're actually going to focus on fraud
committed using, using emergency emerging technologies such as AI
and machine learning, use of social media or false websites
to perpetrate fraud, fraud involving blockchain tech and or
crypto assets. So this is a big one.
I don't, I don't think that we necessarily expected this to
come out here so soon. I think it's very welcome.
I've seen some takes that perhaps this would be more
limited to to things like SIM swaps, but I don't know when I
read this. 5th bullet fraud involving blockchain tech and
crypto assets that feels like it's pretty open-ended to me.
Ovi, what's your take on this? Is is crime season going to end
in its tracks? Hear what this?
I just, yes, it's about time we see something like this because
I think one of the faults of the previous administration is that
there wasn't really any clear guidance.
So not only did you not know what was right, yours didn't
really know what was wrong. And people would just do random
things and pay for it after the fact.
So it's good to see. Like, there's going to be a task
force focusing on this stuff. And yeah, it's just, it's
mental. Like how blatant the crime
season has been to start the year, just because everyone has
assumed if Trump did this, and I can do that, but what other
people have done is obviously way worse than than what Trump
did, which is just launched a token.
So it's good to see. I think it will be good for the
industry. There's just a ton of crime and
bad actors that are siphoning money right now out of crypto,
which is affecting all of us and affecting all of our existing
bags. And so it would be really nice
to have some stricter enforcement on that stuff.
I hope an announcement like this prevents people from doing any
more of that kind of stuff or at least makes people think twice.
You know, like a lot of the crime has been committed by
these guys like Hayden Davis, who's like an American citizens.
And, you know, at least like it's going to have some layer of
protection where the next people who want to do it will at least
try and be anonymous or whatever.
So yeah, hopefully goodbye to blatant crime season, I think.
Were you Mark, safe from the the Libra scandal over?
Yeah, I mean, I, I, I put in a bit of money, but not very much.
Like I put in 60 Soul and I sold it and for a 12 soul loss.
So it wasn't like a huge loss for me.
And I think by this point I've gotten wise enough to it where
it was like, I'm not going to just fucking put my full port
listing. I was even just angry at myself.
Why don't even put in 60 soul? Like I knew exactly what it was.
And I lost some money on the Enron thing.
Not again, not that much. But so the amount I've been
gambling with on the stuff has just reduced each iteration and
now I'm not even going to touch it.
Like if if kind of we spoke about this yesterday, Tyler, if
kind of, you know, did a token, I wouldn't touch it because I'm
not an insider. I'm not going to get the
contract address early. I'm not going to be able to
snipe it. I'm going to get second hand
information or too late. And by the time I get to buy it,
maybe a catch a small move higher, but people will already
be be dumping on me. I don't want to give my money to
these people anymore. Yeah, It it feels like what's
come out here is more just exposing that that portions of
the meme market were a rigged game.
I kind of hate the over generalization that that the
entire thing is rigged because I don't think that's fair.
Look, you have launched a a meme coin Reg coin.
I don't think anyone would try to make an argument that that is
a rigged token and it was just kind of a natural progression.
So I guess how are you feeling about the broader meme market?
I mean some people think it's over forever, some feel like
maybe just a Lol and and this is just cycles playing out.
What's your view? Yeah, I, I haven't been that
constructive on meme coins and like the animal meme thing to
start the year. I, I think I tweeted about that
few times that I have more of a focus on AI this year rather
than just memes or if it's memes, meme coins within AI or
that have some sort of like AI relation to it.
So to me, I think a lot of these, you know, I see some of
the meme coins bouncing today, but I just think these are all
going to be dead cat bounces and we're not going to see 99% of
meme coins we saw in 2024. They're not going to reach their
all time highs ever again. I think I think they're probably
about three, maybe 5 coins that could be inter cycle and will so
stuff like Pepe, for example. But yeah, generally speaking, I,
I don't think I think it's going to be very tough for the meme
coin market to bounce because we haven't had that, that many new
that much retail inflow this year.
And I think the idea of like, oh, these communities are really
strong is massively diluted by the fact there are just tons of
new coins all the time. And people seem so it's like the
same people who were previously the communities now just full on
gamblers, everyone just addicted to the to gambling.
And when something new comes, everyone sells the old bags.
So like chase the new one. And so that just seems to be, I
don't think it's a meta that that's happening.
I think that's a natural maturing of the market.
And so yeah, I just, you know, I don't, I don't, I barely earn
any memes apart from Rect and Rect is obviously has a big AI
focus to it now and everything else that we're doing with the
drinks, etcetera. So I don't, I wouldn't even
class Rect as just like a pure meme coin.
I think the pure meme coins I don't own any of right now
because I just don't. I think it's very tough to buy
and hold that stuff. It's tricky.
Folks have moved on from like the memes as communities to just
pure rocket game. I am hopeful that that trend
will reverse at some point, but I'm also not naive.
I don't think it's happening anytime soon.
Perhaps like zooming back out to just Bitcoin and broader crypto
markets. Like what?
How are you feeling? Like we've had a pretty big run
of positive news, macro positive news for for Bitcoin
specifically. I think also just for the
broader crypto space here, we are kind of just still ranging
97 K, like what's your view like Q1 plus like maybe on the year?
Like do you think we're going to keep chopping here for a while?
Do you have perspective? Yeah, I think it's all been sell
the news really, hasn't it. And I think last year at the end
of last year, my fear was that inauguration would be a sell the
news because I didn't, I never had the view that they would
announce immediately announce Bitcoin reserve and that they
would immediately start buying like my, I was like these
things. Trump's not even president yet.
And for the US to like classify a whole new asset as like a
strategic reserve surely takes a lot more work and effort and
research than just Trump saying, Hey, I want to do this and it
being, you know, done on day one.
So I always felt like that would be a sell of the news.
But then we had all this like really positive, all these
really positive headlines around other stuff into it, like the
crypto task force and the idea of potentially other digital
assets being passed the stockpile and just Trump really
talking everything up. And originally when Trump
launched his meme coin as well, this is before the other tokens
came. I was like, wow, that's pretty
bullish. It's just it's just like the
president launching a coin in the US, They're going to really,
really push this stuff. But I think my original thought
of like it being sell the news was the right one because
obviously we had all these other coins and it turns out their
intentions were bad. And yeah, I think we're in for
Trump. I think it will take at least
six months, probably from now still to approve a strategic
Bitcoin reserve and then the act of actually buying Bitcoin from
that, possibly even longer. Like these things don't get done
overnight. But what I would say is that
they are insanely, insanely positive and they've gone from
being priced in to slowly being priced out over time.
And a lot of ults are down. Ults are down 90% plus I mean,
because obviously down quite a lot.
AI is down a ton. So I've been like mostly in
Bitcoin for a while for you know, since kind of like the
beginning of the year after that first AI nuke.
But things are at interesting levels for me now where I'm
looking to like rotate into stuff like soul stuff like AII.
Think if you look at Bitcoin dominance, the the three times
it has fallen sharply in the last 12 months have been when
Trump won the elections, when Trump started speaking about
crypto in the Bitcoin reserve around like it was May, June
time and when the Bitcoin ETF got approved.
So they were all like Bitcoin positive events that actually
caused Bitcoin dominance to fall and Ulster rally.
And that's because I think the market goes risk on and it tries
to gamble the other stuff to outperform Bitcoin.
So my expectation is a few months of chop.
We may even get like a bigger pull back if we get some
negative headlines on Bitcoin reserve, which is definitely
possible. But ultimately I do think it
will get approved. And that's that's my North star
catalyst really for risk rallying into that, I think, But
I think we have to be patient. There's no need to get crazy
loading the boat at these levels.
And you know, I've been my play outside of Bitcoin really is has
been AI and Arc and AI 16 is the other two I've been buying.
I've just been very patient about only adding them when they
hit new lows really. Sometimes I feel like I would be
more, I wish I was more aggressive there at sometimes at
times, but that's kind of like my my thought right now, yeah.
Well, I appreciate your thoughts as always.
And I mean, it's hard to be super aggressive with this AI
market cap right now at six billion.
I guess it depends on your perspective.
It, it feels like every time we we've bought the dip and and
seen the the rebound, the next dip is dippier and it goes
lower. So I guess real quick, I would
love your AI thoughts. Like we talked about this before
you, you laid out potential $100 billion mark total market cap
for all these. Do you think that the next meta
is going to be different? You talked about ARC and AI16Z.
Those are your the the horses you're betting on.
Yeah, I really like. So within the AI space, I think
the big play here is thinking of maybe some of these things as
like potential L ones. And so I think AI16Z and ARC
fall in that bucket. And the reason why I say that is
because if you can view something as a potential like L1
for AI agents, your ceiling is a lot higher for for an L1 coin
than it is for an altcoin than it is for a meme coin.
So those are the two that I like.
I think it's really hard to ignore the mind share that AI16Z
has and all the tech that supports it.
I know people will have an issue with the shore and all that kind
of stuff, but for me, that's kind of created like a buying
opportunity for something that I felt like I missed earlier.
And you know, just like a like a similar thesis really there on
on that one. So, you know, these things are
are nascent and they're not without fault and they're not
without trials and tribulations. And we've kind of seen that a
couple of times in arc. But for me, I do think they
will. I think, I think this whole
sector will come out on top this year because it's really hard
just to ignore AI in not only in markets or in crypto, but just
in your everyday life. Really.
It's hard. AI is always mentioned.
And this for me is the first. I'm like, I'm not a detailed
investor or detailed trader like like someone like Mando is, or
maybe even yourself, Like I don't look that much into the
details. I'm like, OK, what can I just
like tangibly see and feel that makes me want to buy something?
Because that's how I think the most the the a larger portion of
the retail investor base thinks. And for me, AI agents is like
the first actual product within AI where you can be like, oh,
cool, I see AIXBT all over the timeline or hey, I see like
wrecked guy AI producing these art pieces.
Like I see these things and I can tell explain to you someone
in simple English what this actually does as soon as you
have, we didn't have that last year.
We have that this year. We didn't have that, you know,
the first half of last year. So now that we have that, I
think it's like a real, whether it's a real product market fit
that has longevity, I don't really know.
Like who knows if this is just going to be vapor Ware stuff in
the future or real stuff. But for now it's new, it's
fresh. I can explain to my normally
friends what it is, what it does and why you should buy the token
and explain that the market cap is so low versus other sectors
in crypto. I think it's a really good
investment case. Plus like I've and I know we
like to hate and ignore the institutions, but there is a lot
of institutional capital flowing into this stuff.
Like I spoke to a lot of guys who are putting in big tickets
and I mean even the other day it was like someone bought like
what was it like 7 mil of AI16Z and eight mil of Arc like that.
Those are institutional tickets that are going into the stuff
and these guys who've missed the whole meme coin cycle who can't
really raise capital from their LP's investors to invest in meme
coins. They can in this.
And there are similar people who are commentating on this space
who are commentating on meme coins last year.
So for me, it has all the DNA to to be a main cycle narrative.
We've gotten caught in the meme sell off and the altcoin sell
off and, and what not. But I don't think this is the
end of the story for AI agents. And I do think we, I think
there's, there's going to be one point this year where people
will look at these levels and think, fuck, I really should
have bought that dip in size. I really think we'll see that.
I hope you're right. I think you make a good point
about like more institutional capital being able to allocate
to this sector versus memes. I think that's spot on.
You talked about ARC and AI16C. That's primarily where I've
played. I have to give a quick shout out
to Virtuals and then we'll move on.
We got to talk Kaido as well as pain quickly.
They introduced their agent commerce protocol yesterday.
And if someone is interested in the space, I I definitely
encourage you to read the white paper or at least a summary.
I created a summary of it yesterday for folks.
But but basically they are have built a decentralized open
source protocol for agent to agent commerce on chain as well
as with with a human interaction component.
So if you are bullish on the scenario where agents will be
acting autonomously and transacting on chain and there
will be a home for that, virtuals is throwing their hat
in the ring. And I don't know if they're
going to be the winner, but they're actually, but they are
trying to go after it. And I'm going to talk about some
of the examples and like spinning up an AI digital
marketing business where you have like an AI artist, you have
an AI writer doing the the copy. And then perhaps they employ a
human Akol to do their marketing for them.
And like that is a model where humans can actually be paid by
agents in the somewhat near future, which is wild to think
about. But I feel like that's very non
zero. I actually think it's non zero
to happen in 2025. And how that could happen
actually is via a protocol like Kaido.
So Kaido has the, the, the, the nuts and bolts in place showing
who has the mindshare. And they've got the, I, I
believe they're starting to set it up in the back end to, to
create that type of a payment mechanism.
So folks, the news out of Qaeda, they did launch their token here
this morning. I don't think we've gotten a
whole lot of more news about what it will be.
Perhaps they're kind of saving that, you know, for a post
AirDrop. But in Info Boom, we did get the
tokenomics 25% core contributors, 32% for the
ecosystem, 2% to Binance, 10% was for the community and eco
claim and then seven half percent for longer incentives.
So the AirDrop today was a bit smaller than some folks were
expecting. It does come along with another
round of potential airdrops coming in the future.
The token itself, it performs strongly out of the gate, so it
opened around $1.20. Oh wow, it's really moved since
since we last spoke about it. Wow it.
Has it, It dipped to a dollar O 6 and then just shot straight to
$1.50 and it looked like all the early sellers perhaps have made
a mistake and then it has since been selling off.
So it's right around $0.90 or a $900 million FTV here.
So still in the early, early hours of this token, it's going
to be volatile. Curious OSF, any reactions to
you from the token or just broader thoughts on Kaito?
Yeah, I like Kaito. There's a lot of FUD on the
timeline about it. Like this is worse than Fentech
and all that kind of stuff. Like I think of all the social
fire stuff we've seen, it has the best like scoring mechanism
in my opinion, for rewarding people who tweet useful things.
Like when I look through the Kaito list and I see the
rankings, I think, oh wow, here's some people who are I've
actually personally always rated, but who don't typically
score on the well on the other stuff because they maybe have
fewer followers or worse engagement.
So I think it, in my opinion, it's done a pretty good job of
identifying like people who have useful content.
And it does that through this idea of like smart followers and
stuff like that, which I think is quite interesting.
So I think it's good tech in my opinion.
I don't think it's just another friend tech.
I think it's very useful tech. Should it be worth 1 billion,
one half billion FTV more than that?
I don't really know. Like I don't really have a full
understanding of how the revenue model works and nothing to do
with like Kite or their tech, but it gets bucketed within
like, oh, this is what everyone is focused on right now.
Air drop happens. OK, boom, let's move to the next
thing. Like that's just how the market
is right now. So you really have to have
something extremely special to or something that people will
want to really use every single day, like hyper liquid to
maintain that kind of mind share.
So I don't know if it's going to be able to do that.
I really hope it does because it's really for me, it's like a
breath of fresh air to see a project, a product that people
have honest and hard working people have been working on,
come to the market and do an air drop and everyone makes a bit of
money from it. Yes, it's not quite the moon
mass everyone was making out to to making out to be, but from my
perspective, I got whatever I could 5 figure AirDrop from just
doing nothing other than tweeting like how I normally
tweet like I'm I'm definitely very grateful for that.
So I think I think we should be celebrating it for sure.
At the end of the day, they're giving a bunch of people free
money, but you know, will it last here and will this these
levels last that I'm not sure about.
I hope it does, but you know, that will remain to be seen, I
think. Yeah, you make a lot of good
points and absolutely rooting the Kaido team on.
I think they've done everything really well.
They moved fast through a launch and what's been kind of a tricky
market so that they weren't just trying to time market
conditions, they opened up over a billion.
Like that's an incredibly difficult thing to do at the
same time from an investment standpoint, like so I I sold a
good chunk of my air drop. I'm happy to be transparent
about that. It's it was harder for me to
justify a $1.2 billion FTV evaluation based on like what
we've seen from them to date and maybe they're going to come out
and share revenue numbers that back that up.
I'm optimistic on their future business model.
I think they still have a long road to go to prove out that
they're a billion dollar protocol.
So that's where I'm at. But I'm actively rooting them
on. I'll continue to be
participating in the the ecosystem.
So I'm I'm very excited to see what more they're going to
release today with respect to staking and perhaps their their
near term vision for how they're going to continue to monetize
the ecosystem and how that information comes out.
Again, may, may change my opinion of the protocol, but I
think they have to be happy today.
This was a huge launch in what is still kind of a challenging
market. The other launch and we're we're
going to go to Sam here in just a couple minutes.
We got to quickly talk about the pain pre sale.
I know you were plugged in to this one pain team.
They threw a couple curveballs our way.
So they they refunded 80% of the pre sales.
They knew it was probably going to be tough to perform and then
it came out of the gate yesterday.
Let's see it it opened, it opened absurdly high because of
snipers, but then it got to about $60 million market cap,
which was 120 million FTV, sold off a bit and then it rallied
all the way to 250 million FTV and we're like $25 a tokens back
to 15. Now the curveball they had is
they released some tokenomics. They effectively burned 50% of
tokens by sending them to Harold, the person behind the
meme, and locking it till 2045. What were your thoughts around
this presale? You participated and would you
do it again? Do you think Mainland would be
able to pull this off again or do they they need to wait a
little while? Yeah, I think they will.
I don't think you can do it back-to-back.
Obviously. I think they'll need to waste a
while. But again, I think this is a
good example of people acting the right way after all these
all this extraction we've seen, like, you know, they could have
just taken $40 million, right and put in a portion of that
into liquidity and all that kind of stuff and just really banked
may bank on it, but they didn't. They refunded 80% of it back to
pre sellers and then they burnt half the token supply.
They haven't been too greedy in like taking coins for themselves
or anything like that. So honestly, like I think
they've done everything the right way.
I think if this was launched just a couple of weeks ago
before the the Libra stuff and there's more liquidity in the
trenches, I think this could have done really well.
It could have been, you know, I mean, it has done really well
for appreciate the appreciates are up like whatever it is 5-6 X
right now, but it could have been even bigger.
I think, I think it really could have been could have done really
well because right when they did the refund, it caught everyone
off guard and it was like, oh fuck, this isn't a scam.
This is legit. So you know, timing is timing
and it's not always in everyone's controls and you
know, these guys have been working hard to try and get all
the exchange listings and that kind of stuff.
So I think honestly, I think if they did another one, people
would go in for it hard. I think if they if they did
another pre sale for I don't know, I think for another one of
the IPS that they have partnership with, let's say in a
month or two time, I think they would probably raise more than
this original 40 million is is my guess.
But they would have to make it. What they should probably need
to do is like make it a capped pre sale and make it such that
if you're a pain holder or maybe you know the mainland assets you
get first looking or something like that.
I think is would be the way to do it.
It'll be hard for them to have another big success, but this
like was just laid out this was I think it was a big win for
anyone who's sent to the pre sale anywhere from a + 50% to a
2X or more if you held through the overnight peak in in a rough
me market. So I'm calling it a win.
More is to come from Meme Land. So I don't know if folks saw
this. It was a little buried at
consensus. In Hong Kong, Ray Chan, CEO of
Meme Land, is giving a talk and he's talking and he's going to
reveal their 2025 road map, the launch of Meme Pay, their new
crypto credit card, as well as Meme Strategy, their version of
micro strategy. So I think that's is arguably
like the the biggest open item here.
It is what that actually means. I don't think they're just going
to be stockpiling meme coins. I think there's likely going to
be more to it. Maybe it's some kind of a a meme
launching capacity. I think they have a chance to to
monetize that and they're good at it.
And I think this was a very well done launch.
I think smart people were plugged in stats.
Sam friend of the show, he did a nice write up on everything they
tried to do to it to vent snipers.
And I think a lot of snipers actually got wrecked on this.
Yeah, it's perfect to to see that I think yeah, I think look,
these guys obviously their original business is is 9 gag,
which is huge and like these guys understand me and I think
they understand community like I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't
ever fade Ray or Charles. These guys, I think I made a
comment on meme land artwork like once two years ago and they
sort of like raged at meme token and went got the bio accessing
everything and they they really, really crushed it.
So I think I definitely wouldn't fade these guys.
And I know people have a sort of like a perception sometimes, but
I think, you know, these are good actors and I think they've
serially been successful at things that they've done.
So this whole like meme strategy and meme that thing is, is
interesting. And yeah, like, on the one hand,
you may say meme should be meme. They shouldn't have utility.
They shouldn't have these other things like it should just be
the meme. And if it's if it's funny,
people will buy it. And I think that's true to an
extent or it's definitely very true in a market like last year
when bean coins are going crazy. But you know, as the overall
market evolves and people find new things even more funny or,
you know, other things come to play if you're not a Pepe or a
Doge or a share, but it's very hard to maintain that attention.
So having these other things that these guys are talking
about, it's something that I think could keep a meme coin
alive if it needs to be. And for me, it's interesting.
I think it's a different, slightly different path to the
typical meme coin thing. But it's important to understand
that if you want your your meme coin to last for multiple years
and not just multiple days, which is the hard thing right
now, then you need to have another element to it that's not
just, hey, this meme is pretty funny.
Yeah, and I've got I've got confidence in this team.
I am trust stats Sam. I don't think he would be
working with them if he didn't believe in the mission and the
vision. So I think they've got some more
tricks up their sleeve or tricks is probably the wrong word.
I think they've got some some big plans here.
So I'm very curious to see what they'll continue to to roll out.
But a nice win on pain here from the the meme land team folks.
All right, we've done our market roundup.
It is time to get into our discussion here with Sam Spratt.
Wow, this is this is a big one, folks.
If you're not familiar, I'm sure almost all of you are Sam
Spratt, legendary digital artist, fresh off his $3,000,000
sale for his one of 1X Masquerade.
And the game is about to go live.
He's incredibly busy. We're thankful he took out some
of his time to speak with us. Sam GM, how are you doing?
Man, that's good to see you both.
It's good to see you too. I, I appreciate your time.
Wow, I imagine your, your head is spinning.
You're, you're locked in the, the office right now.
We, we can go so many directions with this.
I think maybe First off, I'm just curious, when did you come
up with the idea for the masquerade?
Has this been something that like this ever stretching kind
of games and evolving games, has that been in the works for quite
some time? Like talk to us a little bit
about that. Sure.
So all of Lucy, the series I've been making over the last three
years and change, it's episodic, so it's always kind of made.
As I'm starting this new bit of my life, I'm going to make one
painting at a time and each one is going to be what I'm actively
learning, maybe trying to capture a little bit of what I
have learned and try to point at what I want to learn next.
And so, you know, that began with these narrative paintings
and then it's slowly started slipping into utilizing the
blockchain, but in kind of like a, a not code based way, more in
a relationship based way. So like the skulls of Lucy was
the, the first example of this, where those first three
paintings I did in the auctions, I ended up painting a skull for
each one of the people that entered into my first steps into
the space. So these these things were free
gifts. In the act of doing that,
suddenly I collided with this host of, you know, 50 people who
all have totally different lives than me.
I've been artists for 10 years doing album covers, movie
posters, things like that. And to collide with traders,
poker players, protocol engineers, other artists.
So just like a, a totally different ball game.
It, it, you know, it's inspiring.
It kind of just shows you, you're in a very, very tiny
bubble and a lot of different industries are suddenly buttered
up against each other. And with that, I, I think it
just kind of broke a little bit of my path that started as this
very solitary artistic kind of melodramatic endeavor.
And then a node connected to it with my wife Rachel, and then a
node connected to it with a few friends and then a council of
people. And then the monument game, that
piece back there was a way to to kind of create a, a large
painting, but have a lot of people gather around and
contribute their thoughts to it. And so while I was making that
towards the tail end of it, the idea for Masquerade was
percolating. Little fragments of it was was
there, but really it was actually seeing what happened
through my collision with all the people that wrote on top of
it that traded after and seeing all of the human behavior around
this art. This like very maybe over
earnest story that I had been making suddenly having a bunch
of people both give me their own earnesty of love letters and
confessions and letters to their dead brother and like beautiful
things that are just etched in code on my painting forever.
But also like the opposite end of the spectrum of our space,
you know, the more degenerate side of it as well.
And then as it started entering the market and people started
trading it, you see this thing that was a link between us.
You know, it's it's tenuous. There's there's some people that
hold it for a very long time. It remains precious to them.
And there's some that it starts moving.
And then as an artist reckoning with, OK, well, suddenly I've
connected to this network. What do they all want from me?
And it covered. It's a bit of a jungle out
there. It's a little mad.
And so Masquerade was really born from seeing both the like
profound camaraderie and friendship of colliding with
like people like OV and some of the members of the council and
like the genuine brotherhood and bonds and formations that can
occur in such AI mean, let's be real here, like a very absurd
small portion of the world that we're we're all kind of
colliding in. And then on the other end of
spectrum, the inverse of camaraderie, right?
The the people that maybe wear that to you, but do not act that
way behind the scenes. And as you wrestle with all
this, I think where Masquerade ultimately started coming into
fruition was the recognition that there's no good, there's no
bad. You need the whole spectrum.
You need the people that are like your tightest brothers,
your most trusted people right next to you.
You need your even tighter version of that in the form of
family. And then you need the kind of
people gradating all the way in between.
And that's what creates like a living and breathing ecosystem.
Like we're, we're undulating and, and you, you need the
predators and the prey. You need the people that provide
cover for others, the good guides and the teachers and the
people that are. I would need poison shit posters
like there's none of this works without the whole spectrum.
It is a growing Organism. That's such an interesting way
to put it. So you started with your one of
ones you you have a handful of collectors.
Then you do skulls 49, I believe.
So you're growing the circle. I think my first glimpse was NFT
NYC2022 and that's where I really saw like the skull holder
and like this cult forming around you like go, this is this
is a real thing. This is a group of people who
who really believe in in your work.
And then you've expanded here last or two years ago with with
Monument game 256 and now 613 for the Masquerade.
There's a lot of directions we can take this.
I want to give you a chance to, to walk folks through the the
Masquerade here. How is it going to work?
And I also want to get into like why you like these interactive
games, so maybe talk to us a little bit more about the
Masquerade. So to kind of just strip out a
lot of the, there's a lot to it, but to just kind of boil into
like what the actual participation and interaction
here is, is it's built on some of the foundation with Monument
Game. So Monument Game was one large
labyrinthian image, very complex, hundreds of stories
within it that I made. And then we built an interface
for you to leave a coordinate and a written observation on top
of. Think of it like a slightly long
tweet that is embedded atop of it, this communal varnish of
written contributions atop my work.
So it builds on that foundation, but across 3 phases.
So the first phase is everyone with a mask.
So right now the public drawing ends later today.
So we'll find like the total who all is on on this guest list,
who all has a bare mask. So all of these masks begin
identical to one another and each one of them will begin the
first phase by leaving an observation.
So just a written contribution of themselves atop the work the
Masquerade. After a few days, we're going to
switch to the next phase. The next phase was really
inspired by what happened after the monument game, which was
well, suddenly I'm, I'm not just like alone in the network.
I'm connected with all of you. So well, what happens if now
you've observed and then everyone kind of gets to be a
reply guy to one another and you are now discussing with one
another. You're engaging in discourse and
dialogue and so you'll reply to a few of the people that are are
near you and then move to the next phase is taking that
collision. Whatever you learned from
whether it was a extremely friendly, helpful person that
kind of took some strand of your thoughts and tried to pull it in
a new direction, open a window for you, or if it's someone that
shout all over everything that you had to say.
However you choose to take that is like that is the collision
that is other people destroying trying to find form of your idea
and you come back in to try to balance it with a revision, an
edit and really it's these three steps of life.
The observation is a creation. It's like that first vulnerable
act of putting yourself out there.
Destruction is discussion. That's where us engaging in a
dialogue with one another, if we trust each other, if we care
about trying to find each other's best form, or even if we
don't, just the act of being in dialogue starts chipping away at
making that creation better, right?
It's like any business you guys have run, like the more eyeballs
you have. Sometimes it's too many cooks in
the kitchen, but sometimes it shows you things that you didn't
see because you are a little too close to it.
And then at the end, try to balance and I can get into
what's all inspired by, which is this ancient form of scripture
and commentary, but that's the core mechanic of what everyone
will be doing. And then this collection that
all begins bare. So all the masks are the same.
Every mask that I've made, they're all one of one of this
613 collection is inspired by all these different kinds of
people that we're talking about. You know, the the the full ends
of the spectrum of your kindest and your cruelest, the the
funniest, the most profound. And so the masks rather than I
would say how people might typically associate a collection
where you would mint and a random number generator would
determine what you get or your hand selecting the piece that
you want. This is actually a link between
me and you. And so the words you give me, I
will be going through this collection of, you know, the
it's 613, but I've made more than 613 and seeing what goes
with you. And because of some of the tools
I built, if there's people that have behavior, which is almost
an inevitability that totally surprises me and is way outside
of like, you know, the attempts to show a variety of human
beings, But, you know, you'll never really capture the density
and complexity of all of our little variables.
I'll be making them in real time over the course of this to hit
those anomalies. I was curious how you were going
to actually make the the masks. Yeah, me too.
It's. Like so, so much work.
So you've, you've built kind of a foundation and then you,
you've got some levers and things that you can, you know,
do as you're going through and reading.
I'm sure people would love to hear a little bit more about how
that's going to work. Yeah, so, so much like the this,
this system of participation, creation, destruction, balance.
That's kind of what I've been doing for the last year and a
half. So I've been a painter my whole
life, illustrator. I've been drawing professionally
for, you know, almost 15 years or so, starting out with, you
know, little gigs for editorial sites and album covers and so
on. But you know, I've, I've loved
drawing and painting forever, but I became very curious about
expanding my skill set a little bit, the tool set.
And when I was a few things happened.
But one, when I was out in Venice for the monument game
exhibition, you know, you're there during the BNLS, you're
colliding with all these traditional artists and the
traditional artists that go and do their exhibitions there.
You learn that, you know, most of the the top tier artists in
the traditional world that are given these opportunities, you
know, they're not a lone guy up on a mountain.
You know, they have, they have whole team studios of assistants
of a bunch of like Pratt interns that are doing their, you know,
their, their it's like a factory, a pipeline working in
hand in hand with them. And for me, there's just
something that like kind of terrifies me about like loving
so much, making things this way, drawing my whole life being an
artist. I'm like, oh, to grow, I have to
one day just become a manager like that, that, that like
horrifies me a little bit. And I understand there's
components of that of directing, conducting that will absolutely
come into the picture here. But I was curious, like, can I
stay close to it? Like, do I not have to abstract
myself, filter and filter and filter away from it?
So I started learning node based programming and I started
learning sculpting and I started slowly stitching together over a
very long time kind of a set of hybrid tools.
That is, it is drawing, it is painting, it's sculpture, it's
trained on my poetry, it's trained at different epochs
along the process on my sketches, my under paintings, my
paintings, my characters, and finally my individual brushes
and brushwork. And what ended up happening is
kind of building a hybrid system where I can make one brush
stroke and that brush stroke kind of has every brush stroke
I've made in the past. It's like this oddly weird
avatar like situation where you're sort of like recalling
your past because you've spent a long time extracting the file
structure of how everything you've made would work.
And So what I've done is kind of like a very, very grimy form of
a man machine hybrid tool where there there's no point where
anything is really generating without me in it.
It's just this constant pass back and forth, this constant
conversation. I, I like to describe it as like
grinding a rock against a mainframe because it's, it is
inelegant. But if you watch some of the
videos that I posted, you can see a little bit of like the
lattice work of the nodes and how it kind of slips in and out
of drawing and painting and 3D and generative work all kind of
eventually get into the other side where I guess my main goal
is I don't really think art that is defined by its tool to is
very interesting. Like it's kind of like, I don't
know, I'm a man. OK, great.
Like not that interesting of like a premise to start getting
to know someone. So really it's more I wanted to
break down my own patterns and how I've done things my whole
life. And the act of learning how to
do that and seeing what can't be outsourced to a machine, but
also what can is like an interesting to learn thing to
learn about yourself, like your strengths and weaknesses.
There's a little bit of like ego dissolution, but then also like
you get to see that most of what's precious and left in
there is kind of your flaws in a weird way.
And preserving that has been like the the process.
I'm, I've got one quick question, Sam.
Yeah. Everything you know this
everything that you've just explained and also monument
game, it all has this feeling of like really careful, intricate
planning and a lot of thought that's gone into it and a lot of
careful construction. And I'm sure all that happens
when you come round to like, OK when you Rachel sit down and
come round to like, OK, this is what we're going to do.
But how much of like the ideas that you have and kind of the
outcome of what you decide to do is premeditated versus how much
of it is just like, oh, I kind of felt this way today and this
seems like a good idea. Let's try that.
Like for example, when you did the monument game, did you
already have the plans and the ideas kind of in place already
for the Masquerade? And then when you were doing the
Lucy one of ones, did you have the idea for the monument game?
Or is it just kind of things that have developed over time
because, you know, the way that you speak about it and the way
that we see these come to fruition, it's like, wow, Sam
must have been planning this stuff since he was born.
But I'd love to get like an insight into like, you know, how
these thoughts spring up and, you know, spawn in your mind, if
that makes sense. Sure.
So I, I guess I would say I have a plan in the sense that I have
a direction like I, I can usually I try to think in a time
scale that is far enough out there that I directionally have
batted up against my own ideas enough to know that that is
fundamentally where I want to point towards.
But the, the thing about over planning or not letting like
when I hideaway for a year and a half and make something, when I
finally put it out there and share it, especially when it is
this participatory mechanism. There's just so many new
variables that, you know, I'm trying to construct rules and
guides and the parameters of what I care about the the
outcomes, the behavior that I want to provoke or incentivize.
But I also am building just enough chaos in it that I don't
really know exactly how it's all going to unfurl.
And that's already happened even in the like preliminary
mechanics of how people have invited people or whatnot like
that. So even if I have the plan of a
direction or to take like a Trumpism, like a concept of a
plan is, there's a always a intentional wiggle room left
there where I want to be able to learn from whatever happens the
moment I share it out there. Because there's just a very
different thing that occurs that if I only had my initial
architecture of the idea, then I've almost like trapped myself
in a prior state of growth. And you don't I, I don't really
like doing that whenever possible.
It's already hard enough to kind of avoid that.
But like, for example, within monument game, you know, there's
a book buried on the ground hidden next to the log that says
the mass of Lucy collection, right?
So like, I knew I wanted to make this and I knew I wanted to
explore new tools to learn how to create a collection of the
size of the fidelity and creativity that I wanted to.
But at that point, I had no idea whether or not I would
necessarily be able to or what form it would take.
I just directly knew that this is a mission that will stretch
me. I don't totally know if I can do
it. That excites me.
I think most of what I find compelling about, well, maybe
any bit of art is like, I'm currently capable of this.
I believe I've some weird delusion in my head that maybe
I'm capable of that. The tension to get there.
Like there's the joy, right? There's the act of doing the
whole damn thing. It's like same thing with
raising a kid, building a relationship, all of that.
It's just this like projection out into the future.
And so that's the plan, if you will.
So, so yes, there are there are ingredients of this that are
highly architected that have multiple years in mind, but
usually those are like little details compared to the big
thing is I want to let my collision with you, with you,
with everyone help. I don't know, I just want to
learn from this. Yeah, I love hearing that the
high level vision, how this is all tied together in the
timeline. I know some of our listeners are
playing and they want more specific details if if you can
get into it. So I I got a couple questions.
One just perhaps about kind of what you are looking for from
participants and like this is a competition, how does one win?
I guess the other, like the the third part of this I know I'm
throwing a lot, is how do you manage anonymity?
Do people tip themselves off via comments and how do you kind of
work around that? So people can tip themselves off
with comments. That's 100% the case.
But there are a number of people that will be playing the
Masquerade that I know will be there, but I don't know which
masks they are and they have not publicly revealed themselves.
And so like our guest list is a very eclectic group of kind of
all ends of the spectrum in a common space.
As far as what I'm looking for, I guess I'll start there is I
think there's this maybe like a we got a little bit of this in
the monument game. Not a lot, but a little bit
where people thought that what I was after was, you know, things
that speak in my language or use the kind of words that I use or
have immersed themselves in the world of Lucy and all that.
And you know, like that. If that's what drives you and
motivates you, by all means. But you know, for me, the point
of kind of me exerting the art and building the system around
it is to try to capture some little snapshot of what all this
this strange cultural moment we're in is.
And that is, you know, like we talked about the market in
abstraction, like it's some kind of entity, but it's people,
right? It's an undulating Organism of
people. And so who are each of the
people that helped move and motivate it?
So like what I'm looking for, as I don't care if it is about
Lucy, about my art, about using my words, I don't care if it's
well written or anything like that.
Like that is not what I'm looking for at all.
I am genuinely just curious like what have you been up to?
Like what is your life? What if you could encapsulate 1
little snapshot into it? One story 1 leave behind one
note to someone else when anything that is of your
essence, if you want to call it like there, there's there
doesn't need to be anything deep or profound about that.
It can just be you is that will help me know where to put it
all. And I think it's the things
where we get a little stuck of knowing, well, what do I want to
leave behind? That's when, well, you start
wearing a different kind of nature and, and there's a,
there's something to observe in that as well.
But no, the, the, the point of masquerade is it's not to there.
Yes, look, there are keys and codes and riddles.
There are things to find. There's all that.
But that's just because there's a whole host of people that work
like that. Yes, there are three masks that
can be won. Not everyone is motivated by
winning like some people just want to be and that whatever
form that takes, you're kind of encouraged.
Like the reason why one of the lessons learned from monument
game of, well, all the players were identical, but there's
these three skulls is some of my reflection on that is man,
there's just, there's so much that I read that people
contributed that how could I really even sort it?
You know, like my, my attempt to try to create these parameters
and incentive structures. Like there's so much that I
loved that meant a lot to me that how can I create more of
the spectrum of sorting of all of these masks and try to make
it it really felt and understand that I am going through.
I am reading all of these, every single line written means the
world to me that you would even bother to take the time, let
alone collect a piece of my art. And so the all all I'm looking
for is you basically. And as far as the winners, that
is the task that I've given to the council.
And so, you know, OB is, is part of that.
And basically what that will be is closer to the monument game.
They'll be, they're structured a little different here, but I
can't get into that too much yet.
But the intent is to take everyone in and based on these
three separate phases, which kind of have very different
behaviors, if you think about them of that initial observation
is something we kind of do alone.
It's like a personal thing between me and whoever is coming
in in some sense. But then the discourse and
discussion, now I'm out of it and it's everyone there
colliding with one another. What do you want to leave behind
on, on a topic of one another? And then that final step of
revision is, you know, like, do you take feedback well, do you
or do you reject it outright? And so there's three things are
are kind of the separate rubrics, if you will, of what
everyone is looking at. And there are three masks that
represent creation, destruction and balance.
So observation, discussion and revision.
And it's one extra mask that is given to each of the three, but
everyone has their masks revealed and chosen at the same
time. Got it.
Well that this is super insightful, especially for me.
I could disclosure I'll be playing for the first time and
I'm incredibly excited and now I have a better idea about how
this is going to work. I'm curious for you on a
personal level, how stressful is this?
Like what what parts of the next couple weeks are are like the
most stressful or are you you just love it and just deep and
enjoying every second I. I do love all of it.
Like I wouldn't do it if I I didn't enjoy it.
But yeah, I mean, look, it's, it's been a long roll out
already. We, we try to pace it in a way
where there's kind of moments of extreme activity and exertion
and then a little bit of breathing room.
So it's not just all the time, but today we get to the end of
the, the public drawing phase, which is like we're kind of out
of the zone of anything to do with the sale or anything to do
with who is or isn't in the thing.
And tomorrow we get to go into, you know, the, the core
experience that we are creating. And so for me, like all of the
the preamble, a lot of that centers around slowly trickling
out information so that it's not overwhelming.
And to almost create a filter of people who are curious and
interested and want to take a leap and are comfortable with
the oddities and opacities around this.
That like some of the years spent building all this is they
don't need to necessarily follow every single step that I've
done. But through like consensus among
friends or anything like that, that that final group of people
that comes into this are people that are like they're down like
they're they they they recognize the absurdity of making arts to
begin with, doing it on chain, doing it all together like this.
And they're willing to dive all the way in and not kind of
sideline or side eye the whole thing.
And so the the slow dole out has kind of created a a beautiful
crew of people. Like I, I think the guess list
will make itself apparent to people at the close after it's
done. But it like genuinely warms my
heart to see like people that I have seen tiniest glimmers of or
just like new with like the fragment of a name for three
years. Like we've said hello or shook
hands at like 1 random event two years ago and now suddenly
they're in this and that you have like the high and the low
of all of this. You have someone that randomly
bought Ethereum like. I don't know, six years ago and
has five followers and a milady PFP.
And then you also have like billionaire art collectors from
the traditional art world like that.
They're all in the commonplace space.
It's very interesting to me. I I enjoy that kind of like
folding in of of spaces. It's incredible, Sam.
I know we're overtime. I want to be conscious of your
time because you're a busy man. I guess maybe one last question
here is what would you tell someone who's interested that
they've seen they're they're starting to see the masquerade,
they don't have a mask. If they want to learn more about
the ecosystem and figure out how how to join, what should they do
over the coming weeks? Sure.
So until 6:00 PM today, there's a public drawing for the
remaining 68 masks. So it's a collection of 6/13.
All the others are accounted for based on decisions that players
have made. This is that final pool.
I don't know the number of entries we're out.
I think it's like 405 hundred, something like that so far.
And you can try to get in through that method.
And if you're able to, you'll find out at 6:00 PM whether or
not you're you're kind of in or out.
But I guess what I'd also say is like seeing like the number of
entries versus what's available for me, the intent of keeping
the collection size, what it is and not making something that is
like 1005 thousand 10,000 is like very explicit is that's a,
that's a lot of people, It's a lot of responsibility.
It's a it's a lot it it's sure, it's way more money that could
be made or anything like that. I don't really care about that
so much. Like I would rather leave that
on the table for others to get to try to figure out how to do
my next thing later. Like that's, you know, this is
more than enough. We have a blessed life, but the
the people that are in tomorrow, you'll begin that process of
observation, discussion and revision and then at the close,
all of the secondary will open and now all of the masks that
everyone has received. If anyone doesn't, you know,
they're, let's be real, like there are some people that I've
gotten it. They may not, Maybe they don't
like the mask I gave them, right?
There's always that. Maybe they want a different
mask. There's a million things that
could motivate that behavior is they'll start swapping at the
end of all this. We've also built the whole
secondary market with a new royalty structure that I created
as well, which we probably don't have time to get into.
But nonetheless, a big part of the way I wanted to think about
the masks is when a player left an observation on the monument
game. Some of those ones that maybe
like hit a liquidity crisis over the year and had to sell it.
They are actually kind of bummed about it.
Like there was a personal nature to it.
But at the end of the day, like, I don't know, there's even like
people I know who you know, that selling their player, they were
able to build something very cool in their life.
And so I, you know, it's, I don't fault him or, or anything
like that, but it did make me curious.
Like is there some way to think about the future beyond the
initial iteration of the mass grade?
Where should these change hands? Is there a way for someone to
come back in? And so even if this version of
it, the 613 and what every, the guest list is set here.
If you are not part of that, I just recommend to keep an eye on
the future because we, we've accounted for that.
And later this year, we have a a rather beautiful thing that I'm
very excited to share with people, but it's like a little
bit too early and there's plenty of other things to talk about.
Yes, sounds sounds like a spoiler there.
Well, this has been incredible. Sam, I, I know you are
incredibly busy. I guess maybe just any final
words you want to leave listeners, your collectors with
ahead of the games about to begin?
Just that like Rachel, my wife and I are just like so insanely
appreciative. Like it's it, it means an insane
amount to us to have this kind of support.
Like we're, we're cognizant of how crazy it is out there.
And like we have a number of friends that got hit very hard
during like market downturn and everything.
And sort of like have people galvanized around this in some
sense and be ready to kind of like dip out of their own
patterns and trading and whatever to try this.
And like, even though it'd be like you got a kid, you building
a little empire over there, you taking the time to like go
through and read these observations and like where that
role within this, like it is, it is an insane privilege that I, I
do not take for granted. And it means quite a lot to me.
Well. Love to hear that.
And Obie, how are you feeling, you know, ahead of
deliberations? Yeah, I'm excited to that.
Unfortunately, I'm I've missed just be it my luck.
I'm not really the luckiest person in the world, but I've
missed the in person council meetings that are famously held
in in New York where various come like activities occur,
which seems to involve killing Benny each time.
I've missed the previous ones. Hopefully.
I'd love to make it out to it to one of the ones that coming up
this year. But yeah, it's cool.
Like it's really cool. I bought my skull probably about
a year and a half ago now. I think it was in 2023 I
believe. But it's really cool.
Like I love being part of something like this because it's
just like it gets so engrossed in like, oh, looking at charts,
numbers or all this stuff and then suddenly it's like like,
you know, Masquerade, I can just finally, like, it's like a
release for my mind where it's like, ah, this is actually
something fun that I can sit down and just think like use a
different parts of my brain that I'm not using every single day
to actually really just appreciate some good art, to be
honest with you. Like, I think that's for me,
that's what it always comes down and boils down to.
So I'm really excited to see how this works.
This is definitely a each iteration of this story ends up
being a larger scale than the previous one.
And this is, you know, the monument game was huge, but this
is like another level. So I'm, I'm very curious to see
how it all pans out. And yeah, excited to to, to play
a part in the deliberations for sure.
Yeah, and, and I agree, I'm a huge fan of your work.
I I think these, these last few, one of ones, they keep getting
better. I think there's some of the best
digital art we've been blessed with in in this space.
I think you're on my my Mount Rushmore, a digital artist, Sam.
So very impressive. I'm very excited to be be
following and participating in this game and reporting on it as
well. So wish you the the best of luck
and we'll be excited to let this play out.
Thank you so much. Appreciate it, guys.
Take care, K Sam. All right folks, we, we went
over, but it was well worth that getting to hear in detail from
from Sam everything the masquerade.
So I'm excited for this one. This is going to be a fun few
weeks. It kicks off here.
Yeah, really. Today the drawing ends, then the
21st. So tomorrow is when the party
starts. So get ready to party.
As for today, we are going to end two days show there.
Want to thank our listeners, want to thank our partners.
Want to thank Sam, of course, for coming on an ovie for taking
time out. This has been a fun show.
We'll be back tomorrow at 10:00 AM Eastern to close was out the
week. Till then, go make it a great
day. Goodbye.