1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,440 Yo-yo yo, what up? What up? 2 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:12,040 Good morning, good morning GMG. Why did I get kept get booted 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,680 Monday anyway? Even Monday? 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,800 What day is I'm I'm lost man. All these time zones Monday 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,800 April 8th 2020 444 Look at that. Another beautiful day to have a 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,240 beautiful day. I got my Co host in the back and 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,360 we are all back together. All three of us. 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,480 OSF Mando, how you guys doing today? 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:34,640 Good. How you guys doing? 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:36,680 Doing awesome, man. Doing awesome. 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,360 This weekend was fun. I flew overnight to Paris. 12 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:43,920 Mando's been Devin, and it looks like you're back from New York. 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,840 I mean, let's start with that, actually. 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,480 How's that? How's your NFTY? 15 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:49,480 This is the first time since I got into crypto that I missed 16 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:52,760 New York after four years. So how was that? 17 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:55,200 It was good. It was definitely quieter than 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,480 it has been in the last couple of years, I think, but I kind of 19 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:58,880 preferred that it was more chilled. 20 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,200 Got to hang out with people and have proper conversations and 21 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,560 stuff without getting too busy and stuff. 22 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:06,520 So yeah, it was good. What? 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,320 Was the highlight like, is there like some really cool stuff, or 24 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:11,080 is it the usual like just a ton of side events? 25 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,760 Yeah, Tyler, side events, there were no, I mean, I didn't. 26 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:16,760 I don't even know if there was an actual NFTNYC conference or 27 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,560 not. Like, I had zero part of that. 28 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:28,400 But no, I didn't. NYC He's like, Nah, I did not. 29 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:29,880 What was your favorite side event? 30 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:34,520 The Dive Dolphins thing was pretty good. 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,600 It was cool. It was like a ping pong area and 32 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,640 they had like a pool table and stuff and it was chilled. 33 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,960 It wasn't too crowded like I like that a lot. 34 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:45,560 That was a good event for sure. And then what's? 35 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,400 So hold on, did Quinn win a one of one? 36 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,960 Yeah, she did. She won the one of one. 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,480 She won the diaper one of one, yeah. 38 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,120 So wait, you put like these wreck drinks across New York so 39 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,960 everyone won one of ones? No, the other ones were just 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,920 like additions, but there was one that was a wonderful one. 41 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,639 Bro, you're Tommy Quinn. Got the dive bar piece. 42 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,440 Like the piece? Like the one. 43 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,640 Everybody loves. That's crazy, bro. 44 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,040 That's crazy. My God, I saw the story. 45 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,320 I saw the video for, first of all, obviously, like, you know, 46 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,520 for those who know, Quinn is Quinn Buttons, She's our COO 47 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,120 here at this time. And so, So I I saw in this rock 48 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,680 video team chat that she won and I was like, holy shit, that's 49 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,400 crazy. But then I saw I didn't know she 50 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:35,840 won one of one. I thought she, I thought you 51 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,400 were just doing editions, like little prizes or whatever. 52 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,000 OK, I I wasn't sure I wanted to ask you because someone said one 53 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,200 of one. I was, like, surprised. 54 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,000 That's insane. Yeah, it's pretty insane. 55 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,240 Damn. And it's funny, 'cause she was, 56 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,480 and she wanted because she was the area because of the Veneck 57 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,720 event that was going on in NYC, right? 58 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,840 How cool was that? By the way, guys, that there was 59 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,000 like a bunch of pepes and pudgy Penguins, a bunch of other memes 60 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,520 at the New York Stock Exchange for the close on Friday. 61 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,520 Like, isn't that crazy to you guys? 62 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,400 Like, for me, it's like, OK, cool, Like, it's crazy fire. 63 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,800 But like, how is that insane to you guys? 64 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,760 Like there's a bunch of memes everywhere at NYC. 65 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,360 Yeah, that's just it. That's what it is now, isn't it? 66 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:20,440 It's nuts. It's nuts. 67 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,160 I mean there was like I'm trying to I'm trying to share my screen 68 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,920 here. I'm hoping I'm not going to 69 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:29,040 break I'm not going to break the stream yard by sharing my 70 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,600 stream. But on the on the New York Stock 71 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,920 Exchange that that's what I saw this one I hope it's shares it 72 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,000 does share stuff like that like this is insane. 73 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,400 This this must have been like one of the coolest things in New 74 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,000 York. Did you go? 75 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,720 I did not go no look. At that that. 76 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,440 Looks pretty cool. Yeah, that's so cool. 77 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:56,120 A Penguin ringing the bell For for for for for a Penguin 78 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:01,320 ringing the bell at at 4:00 PM on Friday is is is pretty wild. 79 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,480 Anyways, in the meantime, over did you have you been following 80 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,560 the debacles of your of your of your friend Mando here? 81 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,480 Have you been following math? Yeah. 82 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,600 I have like I was greatly. Painful this conversation is 83 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,560 listen to like neither of you are actually like listening to 84 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,160 the other person. You just start replying. 85 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,480 I'm listening. I'm asking him about New York 86 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,519 and I don't know what he's I wasn't in New York. 87 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,720 I'm asking. Questions on New York Ovi just 88 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,480 answers with one word answer when they when they come 89 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,280 through. I think. 90 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,280 Isn't working or something. Was a lag. 91 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,960 There must be a lag or something like, yeah, there's a lag. 92 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,520 There must be a lag. Yeah, great. 93 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,800 Show so far, guys. OK, let's reset. 94 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,000 OK, let's reset. We're all on similar time zones. 95 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,240 We're all here in Europe. We're vibing Mando. 96 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,720 How was your weekend? Your first weekend as a meme 97 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,360 coin dev. Yeah, wow, what a weekend. 98 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,640 Life has changed for me. See and keep things in different 99 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,680 colours. What are, What are some, let me 100 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,800 ask you, because on the show on Thursday and obviously on 101 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,800 Friday, was day two or or day three starting for you. 102 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,000 So now you're on day, so third. Wednesday was the first day. 103 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,800 Day six is starting today technically in the East Coast, 104 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,480 but it's day six for you. How's your first week so far as 105 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,360 a meme coin? Dev, have you learned anything 106 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,600 that you can share on the show in case anybody wants to follow 107 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,080 your path? Honestly, I just can't even 108 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,160 remember life before I was a shit coin dev, you know? 109 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,360 I just like, I've changed so much over the last week. 110 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:29,920 You know? Last week I was just Mando. 111 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,480 This week I'm, I'm Mando. Shit coin dev. 112 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,680 My ego is just. Doug Jesus. 113 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,280 It's just a different level, you know. 114 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:37,440 It's just that you should try it. 115 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,160 Life is. Life becomes easier after your 116 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,080 shit coin dev, you know. I'm good on that. 117 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,240 But maybe OV you should or we just all rally behind this one. 118 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,520 You know we're just all rally behind you. 119 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:48,400 I think that's the. That's the. 120 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Do not become a shit coin dev. It is. 121 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,000 It is one of those experiences that seems fun at the time and 122 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,400 then you realise that it's your life now. 123 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,080 So I'll try my best. Lots of different conversations, 124 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,320 a lot of people helping me out, which has been which has been 125 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,600 useful. It was funny like like I land 126 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,240 here and I was going through a wall in the Jean les Tulare, 127 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,920 which is close to where I'm staying in Paris and I FaceTime 128 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,320 Mando. I was like, let me just FaceTime 129 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,760 Mando, see what's up everyone on the West Coast to sleep. 130 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,480 And as I'm talking to Mando, there's three ducks, actual real 131 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,880 life ducks that walk towards me as I'm on FaceTime with the guy. 132 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,760 You cannot make this up. You cannot make this up. 133 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,840 He is literally has become Duck Jesus and you absolutely love to 134 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:32,160 see it. I mean, I would show you guys, 135 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,600 but I don't even know where the photo is anymore. 136 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,000 Anyways, I don't want to mess up the Wi-Fi. 137 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,960 But anyways, that's. I'm growing the beard out long. 138 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,360 I'm growing the hair long. I'm going to go full Duck Jesus 139 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,680 now. So is there a price point? 140 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,880 So I know at 420 Red Guy, you're getting a ass tat, that's for 141 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,720 sure. And that's when OV's cutting his 142 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,520 hair, Sir. Something that you're going to 143 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,640 tattoo like a duck on your body. I think everyone else should 144 00:06:56,840 --> 00:06:59,280 tattoo for me, man. Like I'm making dreams happen. 145 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,560 I'm making dreams happen at this stage. 146 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,720 Making dreams happen Anyway, Speaking of dreams, today on the 147 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,560 show Today, today, what do we got going on today? 148 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,480 Daily Market report, Azure Crypto Macro, NFTS and all that. 149 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,360 Good stuff. Alts, memes and dreams. 150 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,320 So student of dreams, We're going to talk about dreams for a 151 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:15,520 second here. The market seems to have 152 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,400 rebounded pretty pretty like strongly this morning with 153 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,440 Bitcoin hitting like 72 plus. You absolutely love to see that. 154 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:23,760 So I'm sure we have a lot to talk about. 155 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,640 And then of course OV reminding us of all these little numbers 156 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,880 that he's got going on. I saw our chicken you and the 157 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,800 comment thought was hilarious. Actually OV is very fun at 158 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,920 parties, just so you know, in case you're listening. 159 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:42,120 And so we also have like Bass like hitting $4 billion in TVLA, 160 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,280 lot of stuff happened on that front. 161 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,840 So we have plenty to talk about. And last but not least, we'll be 162 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,280 joined by one of the actually previous show partners on the on 163 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,520 the titles partners that you see on the screen CFW to come and 164 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,160 talk to us about Pallet, everything they've been doing 165 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,440 with ERC four O fours, which by the way like this is definitely 166 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,160 like I think like one of the most slept on narratives for 167 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,480 NFTS. But it's probably because we're 168 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:02,800 not at that stage of the cycle yet. 169 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,240 But it's going to be interesting to to chat with pallets by CFW, 170 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,600 which I believe one of the first generative art projects on 4/4. 171 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,120 So they're going to be joining us on the show to come and talk 172 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,680 about this. 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But anyways, make sure to check 184 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:49,600 out fair side but on their website this time around make 185 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,400 sure you go on their X account and it's actually really good. 186 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,840 You need security, it's a bull market. 187 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,840 A lot of scammers are out of the woodworks so so make sure you go 188 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,800 and check them out. Fair Side network. 189 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,200 They're going to be coming on the show I believe this coming 190 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,400 Friday. So excited to interview them and 191 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,600 see what's going on with them. But anyways. 192 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,080 Anyways, anyways, without further ado, where we get get 193 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,400 right into it OV, I'm actually going to go to you first so we 194 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,000 can get more of a macro view because your boy, I'm not going 195 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:19,280 to lie, Mando delivered his two worst performances last week on 196 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,680 Thursday and Friday when it came to the market because he didn't 197 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:22,840 even look at the price of Bitcoin. 198 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,160 He was so busy, you know, his head was stuck in the water. 199 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,600 I'm gonna go to you first. What's going on in the market 200 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,480 macros if you followed. I mean I'm sure you guys talk 201 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,160 about that a lot over the New York price action, but what 202 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,720 what's going on? Talk to us about the market. 203 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,280 Yeah, we had payrolls on Friday that came in a lot higher than 204 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,520 expectations again. So interest rates have moved a 205 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,600 lot higher, but stocks were up. So we just keep seeing the same 206 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,720 theme of stocks higher, interest rates higher, I mean 10 years 207 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,760 all the way out now to 4.42%, which is the highest it's been 208 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,600 all year. And equities are also at year 209 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,240 today also all time highs as well. 210 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,200 So it's kind of a weird thing where we're just seeing stocks 211 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,200 go higher, rates go higher this week. 212 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,360 We have inflation data, We have CPI that comes on Wednesday. 213 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,840 I think the expectation right now is for it to be at 3.4% 214 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,560 versus last month's 3.2%. So if we hit those numbers, I 215 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:24,800 think you know we'll probably stay where we are if we come 216 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,520 higher. If we do come higher than 3.4%, 217 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,320 I think there's going to start to be some real inflation type 218 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,280 concern because we would have gone up two months in a row, I 219 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,000 think maybe possibly even three months in a row. 220 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,400 So we'll see what that number is, but yeah, that's going to be 221 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,000 very important for the interest rate narrative. 222 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,720 I think stocks are fine really. I mean the economy is growing. 223 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,800 There's obviously a massive tech boom here and I guess there's a 224 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,800 risk that equity valuations could could deteriorate with 225 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,840 higher interest rates. But we've been in this paradigm, 226 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,120 high interest rates for a long time now. 227 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,520 But the risk really is towards interest rates and towards the 228 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,960 Fed changing its tune and saying we may not have rate cuts this 229 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,600 year. I still think we will see rate 230 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,240 cuts this year for political reasons. 231 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:09,800 If they don't make any cuts, I think it would see be seen as it 232 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,480 would be seen as a little bit dicey I think. 233 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,080 But it just it just depends on the data. 234 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,360 You know if if inflation starts to creep higher from here with 235 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,440 all the the other strong data in the backdrop, then I think that 236 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,880 could be a potential risk. So we'll get some more 237 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,400 information on Wednesday. If we come in below 3.4%, I 238 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,200 think it will be a massive relief for markets and that 239 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,680 actually really is the the Goldilocks scenario scenario 240 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:36,600 where you have strong economy, growing economy, strong payrolls 241 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,480 and actually low inflation. And so that's going to be a very 242 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,120 important number. So we'll see what happens there, 243 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:43,360 but that's probably on the on the macro side of things. 244 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:49,640 How's how's OK, So I saw, I saw a bunch of tweets this morning 245 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,760 come in from what's his name you know a dude that posts like oh 246 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,480 D1 or something, Bloomberg, he he posted a bunch of stuff with 247 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,400 Jamie Dimon talking about the economy and stuff like that. 248 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,160 Did you follow that? I'll. 249 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,960 Read it to you in a second. This walk, Jamie. 250 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,600 Diamond had an interview today. Yeah, Jamie Diamond had this 251 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,000 interview today and kept saying that the economy is actually 252 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:14,800 really good and that the people are still spending. 253 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,880 And I was just wondering if maybe like this has anything to 254 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,320 do with today's pump or whatever but. 255 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,080 I think not really. I don't think it's specific to 256 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,680 that, but. Yeah, the summary that I saw 257 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:31,880 about that that interview was just that he thinks that rates 258 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,960 and inflation and are going to say higher for longer. 259 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,160 That's basically what it wasn't. And he he also said and remember 260 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:43,400 this guy hates crypto. He said that the the AI was as 261 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,360 big of a leap for humanity as the steam engine. 262 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,920 So he's very bullish on AI. Of course he is. 263 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,520 He's he's literally the meme of pivoting to AI. 264 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,640 You know of course he's bullish. Anyone who despises blockchain 265 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,840 tech and crypto focuses fully on AI. 266 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,360 That's that's a classic. But yeah, I just saw I have my 267 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,320 notifications on for that dude, Walter Bloomberg Doctor One. 268 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,640 So like, I just saw a bunch of stuff like Jamie Dimon, cautious 269 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,120 over higher rates and recession scenario, stuff like that. 270 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,520 Like he was also saying some pretty positive stuff about how 271 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,040 the American people are still spending money. 272 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,800 So yeah that's it. But he also says that he JP 273 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,880 Morgan's diamond warrants inflation, political 274 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,000 polarization wars creating risks not seen since World War 2 and 275 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,760 stuff like that. So he also had like this like 276 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,920 more of a doomer quite comments also on the timeline. 277 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,040 So I thought maybe as I said into do Mando how are we feeling 278 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,920 about the markets right now. Seems like we've bounced pretty 279 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:46,080 well on on Bitcoin. Majorly right Majorly on there 280 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,080 up to 72 K How you feel about this upcoming week? 281 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,600 I'm feeling good, man. I'm feeling good. 282 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,400 The market had a bit of a shake out. 283 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,680 The what is it? We're now less than two weeks 284 00:13:56,680 --> 00:14:02,280 away from the halving and spot. It was mainly spot buying. 285 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,240 A lot of spot buying came in over on the weekend, 286 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,080 particularly on Sunday. Fundings remain low. 287 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,640 That's meant so even in this rally bring up the funding 288 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,840 charts. It's like all still towards the 289 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,880 lows across the board. Interestingly ETH is slightly it 290 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,000 hit an hit a three-year low versus Bitcoin and then bounced 291 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,760 off that fairly aggressively. Today obviously there's still 292 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,720 the under forms of Solano and all this ticket stuff although 293 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,760 it does feel like they may be some more near term improvements 294 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,360 there and I read between the lines so it may not be as much 295 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,840 of a medium term issue issue if they get ahead of it. 296 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,120 And yeah the market just feels good or a lot of the memes pump 297 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,840 back. So they were the things that led 298 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,760 the market back with Pepe, Doge, Doge. 299 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,040 Remember Doge Day is also 420. So 420 is like a very big day 300 00:14:53,040 --> 00:15:00,240 for the market and it's like the meme coin day, Doge Day, which 301 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:09,920 rallies too And it's yeah, I, I the markets markets came back 302 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,640 pretty strong even whiff which is like got you know a lot of 303 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,600 hate over the last over the last few days. 304 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,960 That's because of KSI. No, I think it's because that 305 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,400 video, but yeah, I think bit of everything but the market has 306 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:26,280 ripped back basically in that stuff in in like stuff. 307 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,880 To note you have obviously had some of the big air drops 308 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,560 recently. Athena just keeps her going to 309 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,360 new highs. Wormhole has kind of bounced. 310 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,680 And then today you've obviously got Tensor, which is very, very 311 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,120 big for the NFCS market that looks like it's going to come 312 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,920 around 3-4 billion, which is going to be a decent decent 313 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,640 AirDrop for everyone. I think Camino as well, which is 314 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,400 a salon AirDrop has launched the AirDrop tracker if you want to 315 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,200 go check on Camino. But yeah, like it feels, it 316 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,320 feels strong still a lot of the activity and air drops are 317 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:03,000 happening on Solana right now, but obviously that's down if if 318 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,400 Maxi's are all over the timeline today because of the bounce back 319 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:07,160 from. ETC. 320 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,520 I mean it's it's a pretty big, it's a nice bounce like. 321 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,000 It is a nice bounce. Yeah, we'll see. 322 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,360 We'll see if this lasts. Really like, it's a nice bounce. 323 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,720 I mean over you tweeted it about 15 minutes ago that you were 324 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,800 hoping to see ETH price sustain over the month of April. 325 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,080 I'm assuming that the congestion on Salon is pretty bullish. 326 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,000 ETH, what's happening right now, especially with the base 327 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,680 narrative which is like another casino that is open that's 328 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,680 pretty cheap to operate in. You're also talking about blast 329 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:36,960 and stuff. What what's happening in that 330 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,200 world? Have you followed a little bit? 331 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,400 Like, I know Pack Moon's really performing well. 332 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,680 We talked about it last week when you were gone because after 333 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,160 that crater payout they think of giving $1,000,000 to craters 334 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,320 like it just kept flying. What are you seeing on ETH here? 335 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,200 Yeah, I think ether's had a tough time over the last month, 336 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,520 but the whole base stuff is, I think is really political ETH. 337 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:01,120 And as we get closer to the ETF, you know, like I I think most 338 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,680 people think it's not going to happen, but there's always a 339 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,319 probability or a chance that it could. 340 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,079 And I think JP Morgan put out a report over the weekend that 341 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:10,319 they they see the OR at the end of last week that they do see 342 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,240 the ETF eventually being approved if even if it's not in 343 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,800 May. So especially with Solana 344 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,839 struggling a little bit like it tends to be good for ETH. 345 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:21,760 So I think we could see a good month for ETH this April with 346 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:27,480 with base kicking ahead really. And remember the BLAST AirDrop 347 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,000 now is probably just a month away if not even less it's 348 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,440 slated for May. So that's going to be a big 349 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,400 AirDrop into the ETH community in just a few weeks time. 350 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,080 And PAC Moon stuff yeah. I think as we get closer to the 351 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,680 Blast AirDrop and or activity going on in BLAST I think Pack 352 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,520 Moon is definitely like the number one meme coin or 353 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,520 community coin have you want to view it on BLAST. 354 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,200 And I think there's some increasing speculation that you 355 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,240 know the reason why meme coins haven't really thrived on BLAST 356 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:02,800 is because if you convert your if you convert your ETH on blast 357 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,400 to a meme coin then you're not able to like put it in any of 358 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,440 these like protocols to actually farm stuff. 359 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,960 With Pack Moon, you can, because I think you can put it into 360 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,680 Wasabi to to farm it and actually earn some Blast gold. 361 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,480 But you know, if they ever for the last month of Blast, 362 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,480 whatever, if they ever change it so that there's some 363 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,640 incentivization of actually owning meme coins or trading 364 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,560 meme coins, then I think you could see a big rally in, like 365 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:24,960 you could earn blast points for that. 366 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,600 Then I think you could see a big rally in meme coins. 367 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,240 What's blast gold? I I I'm sorry if this sounds 368 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,440 stupid, but I I can't follow everything. 369 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,200 Like what's gold? I I've seen so many people talk 370 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,920 about it like these and farmers, everyone. 371 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:44,240 Blast so for blast points some are distributed to well for the 372 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,560 blast AirDrop some are 50% is being distributed to people who 373 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,840 have been farming points and 50% is being distributed to 374 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,760 developers on blast. So every every app has an 375 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,720 allocation of blast token which is known as blast gold. 376 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,920 For now, we don't know what the actual dollar value of that will 377 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,880 be or the token value of that will be. 378 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,760 And so those apps can, they can either choose to like retain 379 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,560 that blast for themselves or they can distribute them to 380 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,280 their users for actually using the apps. 381 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,400 So that's what you're seeing right now. 382 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,680 You're seeing people trying to get this blast gold by using 383 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,360 some of these Dapps and trying to farm it that way. 384 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:24,920 There's no the blast gold is given out manually. 385 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:32,560 There's no, you know, there's no easy way to judge how you get 386 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,520 it. But the more other apps you use, 387 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,120 the more we get it. OK. 388 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,320 That's pretty cool by the way, guys. 389 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,240 I just checked Poly market. Is this the right 1-6 down to 390 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,440 16%? Yeah. 391 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,680 It was 32, so it's down, it's slashed by half. 22 on Friday so 392 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,680 it's just gone down. So you could go on Poly markets 393 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,600 right now for $1000 to return 6250. 394 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,160 We doing that, we're taking this bet. 395 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,120 What do you guys think? What do you what do you guys 396 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:07,800 think? Is this going to be approved by 397 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,320 by May 31st or not? Seems unlikely. 398 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,200 I. Think I'm likely remember but. 399 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,120 You never know. When when they rejected the 400 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:20,360 grayscale ETF they rejected on the last day. 401 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,120 Yeah. Right. 402 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,200 They have a history of not early rejecting this, this stuff. 403 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,400 So we probably won't hear about why they've rejected this until 404 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,440 last day. So this idea that they're going 405 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,600 to suddenly, I mean and that maybe has a bit of a tail risk 406 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,320 to it because they could just be like, yeah, we're definitely 407 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,840 going to accept it. But I think they still need to 408 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,240 do all the issuers, still need to do different things for them 409 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,920 even to be accepted. So I think it's highly likely 410 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,480 that the SEC rejects this on the last possible day. 411 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,320 OK, so we're going to get it. We're going to get it. 412 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,000 We're going to get the ETF. You won't be crazy though if we 413 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,600 get it because if they are mistreating like this and this 414 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,440 shit's not priced in because like at this stage everybody 415 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,800 says we're not going to get it. Like Poly market's pretty clear. 416 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,360 What were you going to say, Obi? I I was going to say, I think by 417 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:07,240 now you would have heard. I think the reason why the ETF 418 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,160 analysts say it's probably going to get rejected is because by 419 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,920 now you are hearing pieces of movement and things going ahead 420 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,640 with the with the Bitcoin ETF. Whereas now that's just been 421 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,720 dead radio silence, right? There is an argument to say, 422 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:30,720 look, there isn't anything to say because because of maybe 423 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,800 it's already been done through Bitcoin ETF. 424 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,360 So they're just making the application the same with format 425 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:37,960 as they did for the Bitcoin ETF. So they don't have to make all 426 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,520 these amendments and stuff, they know what to do. 427 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,160 But I don't know. It's tough to think that there's 428 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,640 like with zero communication between the applicants and the 429 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,720 SEC in between the last applications we've filed and now 430 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,360 that we get an approval in the next six weeks, I think it's 431 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:55,960 tough. It's hard to see some movement 432 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,880 and headlines come in the next few weeks. 433 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,160 I think it's going to be tough to see it happen. 434 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,800 What happens if when it doesn't get approved for May 31st? 435 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,120 Is there another? When's the deadline after that? 436 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,400 I think they'll give the reasons as to why they didn't approve it 437 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,240 and then it's a case of what's the next step do. 438 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,680 Are they issues that can easily be rectified with another 439 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,440 application? Are they issues that the 440 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,600 applicants want to take the SEC to court over? 441 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,920 You have to see what the actual rationale and reasoning is. 442 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:27,040 Is it because the SEC is going to turn around and say, oh, if 443 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,720 there's not a commodity, it's a security? 444 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,680 Like they have to give a reason for it? 445 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:37,920 And I think what those reasons are will help guide us as to 446 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:39,560 what the price action will be like. 447 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,120 You could see a situation where they reject it, but the reasons 448 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:46,440 aren't bad and they feel like they can be remedied and then I 449 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,960 think you would actually see like a big rally that you can 450 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,640 see the situation, that kind of situation. 451 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:50,960 But it really depends on what the reasons are. 452 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,040 I think as we get closer to the day we will start to see some 453 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,880 more headlines as to or rumours or speculation as to if it's 454 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,760 going to happen or not, number one, Number two, like what the 455 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,720 reasons would be for it. Got it. 456 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,280 OK. So I guess we'll we'll just wait 457 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,640 for that. Did you guys see, Speaking of 458 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,760 news because you said commodity and security, all that stuff 459 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,800 reminds me of court cases. Did you see this? 460 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,160 Like there's such a weird thing going on Friday night, people 461 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,680 saying that Coinbase won the case? 462 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,120 They want a different. They want a different case. 463 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,200 Yeah, OK. They didn't. 464 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:30,920 They won a court case in 2022. It's about like I think it was a 465 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,200 private transactions, but it was a different case, less serious. 466 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,880 Yeah, I mean, still a little, still a little win we'll take. 467 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,080 That it was a it is a win, but like, it's not. 468 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,760 It wasn't the win which I think everyone was trying to paint it 469 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,640 as. Yeah, yeah, I know a lot of 470 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,280 people are going crazy at it. I saw a bunch of tweets go viral 471 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,000 about how like Coinbase has fallen and this is finished. 472 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,000 I'm pretty sure this is not finished. 473 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,760 And also I don't think you'd be hearing about it like 10:00 PM 474 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,640 Eastern Standard Time on the Friday evening, which is like 475 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,560 when it started popping off. So that's why I kind of wanted 476 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,400 to mention that today because I was after the show. 477 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,760 So that happened and of course I already went over base. 478 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:10,240 Other thing is how are you guys feeling about Solana at the 479 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,840 moment? Like, I know we talked about the 480 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,080 congestions for a little bit, Mando, you said that somehow 481 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,120 they're fixing it, but seems like this is and you said that 482 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:19,040 on the show last week. But seems like this is going to 483 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,680 be extended. Like are we expecting this to be 484 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,240 fixed anytime soon? Personally speaking? 485 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:26,600 Look, it does get frustrating right, when you have to like 486 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,360 even to send like 10 Soul. I think the other day I think it 487 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:34,400 was like 20 retries, definitely not the experience that we that 488 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,480 we love and what we were talking about Solana is the best casino, 489 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,920 it's faster. But what are you, what are you, 490 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:41,440 what are you reading on this front? 491 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,960 Like, are we, are we going to see any improvement anytime 492 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,920 sooner or we gonna have to wait quite longer? 493 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,560 Look, I'm. I'm not a dev, so I don't. 494 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,080 I don't, Yeah, sorry. I'm a dev. 495 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,960 My favorite dev What are you talking about? 496 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,760 You are Solana Dev now. So I I'm not like in the weeds 497 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,320 of like what exactly is happening here, but I know the 498 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,320 network's being spammed. They said that it's becoming 499 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:08,600 more predictable the nature that of how it's being spammed and 500 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,120 it's still doing like 7 times the daily transactions of like 501 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:13,600 Ethereum and it's L TS at the moment. 502 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,440 So we're still doing decent amount. 503 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,640 But yeah, it's clearly not been a great, great experience. 504 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,240 I don't know, like this was like one of these classic cases where 505 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,240 it will get solved. I feel like fading this is 506 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:30,200 slightly mid curving it and I think that when it gets sold it 507 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,040 will just go straight back to being the casino. 508 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,680 Yeah, 100%. I mean you you have also some 509 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,400 beef obviously David Hoffman bankless and then Mert going at 510 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:45,040 it back-to-back. I I mean it's I think Austin 511 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,360 made a good point Austin Federa of Solana when he said like 512 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:50,800 crypto kitties literally congested the theorem in 2017. 513 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,920 It literally happened and then most recently you saw what 514 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,520 happened to Bitcoin and bitcoiners like the Maxis taking 515 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,520 it to Twitter pretty like Ooty getting like death threats. 516 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,880 Remember Me even Mando you were like yo Ooty's fucking with like 517 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,560 big boys now but like Bitcoin the whole network was congested 518 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,200 and and that had to happen So it's not like it's new but it it 519 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,920 look I get the I I saw a bunch of people say how frustrating it 520 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,600 was and stuff like this. I get it. 521 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,160 I mean, fuck, it's just so annoying, trust me, like myself 522 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,120 included, I I I use Solana quite a lot to to to not have be able 523 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:27,040 to like do anything much. But it is what it is and so 524 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,160 they're going to scale it. What's the timeline on Fire 525 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,560 Dancer? That's this year still, right? 526 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,720 Yeah, it should be in the summer, That's what they're 527 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,440 saying. OK, OK, say. 528 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,440 Finishing the issue though I don't know if that this will be 529 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,080 related to that, but like it will get it will generally get 530 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,880 fixed. Like Solana is slightly more 531 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,560 centralized, so they tend to be able to fix things. 532 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,000 Yeah. A little fat it's it's a little 533 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,840 easier to to fix things on Solana listen I I I I don't know 534 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,960 I like the trade here like the the I like that soul. 535 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,200 Eve like went down quite a lot because it was like pumping. 536 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,920 Everybody was like calling for it to like you know Dalai Lama 537 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,760 like just go to the moon but kind of like the fact that one E 538 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,320 is 20 soul. Again I I have I'm like way over 539 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,240 positioned on Solana at this stage and its ecosystem between 540 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:24,520 Solana with and and my little duck but but I want more I don't 541 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,960 know I'm loving the fact that Solana was like trading at $180 542 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,040 what the rest of the market like pumped like crazy like last time 543 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:33,400 last time Bitcoin was in the high I'm sorry 70s here like 544 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,520 7273 ish like Solana was like nearing like like it had broken 545 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,920 the all time high in in terms of like market cap. 546 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,760 So it's it's actually an interesting trade that I was 547 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,920 looking at before coming on the show. 548 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,760 Besides that I mean. Right now, like I like, I like. 549 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,320 I think I just never really trust the youth pumps because 550 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,400 like they must never seem to last that long. 551 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,280 This one may be slightly longer. If I was to own one thing, I've 552 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,320 like the top ten right now. It would probably be Doge. 553 00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:04,600 Like, I think it's underperformed a little bit in 554 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,800 terms of memes. Obviously Solana has taken. 555 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,960 It's also had a lot of the meme activity You've got now this 556 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:15,840 Doge 20 day, day 20. I don't know. 557 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,200 I just get the feeling that could just pump. 558 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,680 You had a really good tweet before the show. 559 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,280 Actually. You said most of the current top 560 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,560 meme coins will be here in 20 years. 561 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,600 Most of the current top alt coins won't. 562 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,320 Lessons in there actually. What do you think about that 563 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,120 statement? Of which statement? 564 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,960 Sorry. So Mandos, I love that Mandos 565 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,320 said no. Oh. 566 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,760 No, I know. I know which one you mean. 567 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,840 Yeah, I do agree with that. I do think technology can get 568 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,160 replaced pretty easily, but sometimes of the top, especially 569 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,520 of like the top two or three memes out there right now. 570 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,200 I guess Dorjan's ship showing that they had lasting power 571 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,800 until now, till the next cycle, I don't think Pepe's going to go 572 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,400 anywhere, right? Pepe's one of the biggest 573 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,400 Internet memes ever. I also don't think whiff is 574 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,400 going to go anywhere either. It's not I'd recognize a meme 575 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,160 until this year as the others. But it's it's definitely, you 576 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,320 know within the top five South. It's kind of crazy to think that 577 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,800 like of those five or six meme coins out there, that those 578 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,800 those will last. And then you could well have 579 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,800 something like Cardano that just disappears. 580 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,200 I don't, I don't really know like just one of these other L 581 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,080 ones that don't really like need to exist. 582 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,800 So I mean. The top 10. 583 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,240 Really I think the L ones are maybe the the the least are the 584 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,160 most likely to stick around. It's the other ones, It's like 585 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,040 gaming, it's AI, it's Defy, it's all the other like alt 586 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,320 categories. I just think they all just get 587 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,600 replaced. Whereas memes as a category of 588 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,520 alt coins, I just, I just think a lot of them will still be 589 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,560 here. I think the the ones that are 590 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,120 chains themselves probably have the most lasting power because 591 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,800 they're not then tied to an L1. Like if you are a meme on a 592 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,240 chain, then obviously you're tied to that chain slightly. 593 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,960 But yeah, that's just my just my view. 594 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,160 Like it's not even that they may underperform or outperform at 595 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,120 some stage, like these memes could even be lower in 20 years. 596 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,040 But I think they'll still be there, they'll still be around 597 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,840 like they'll they'll still be active. 598 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,080 Whereas, I don't know, I go through the top 100 and I think 599 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,320 I would say very, very little apart from the memes and like 600 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,200 the very, very top, like ETH, Bitcoin, Solana, I feel 601 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,200 confident about being here long term. 602 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,240 I mean I think like just right off the top ten, I think XRP and 603 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,440 Cardano are going to get booted out of the top ten this cycle. 604 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,800 Like you saw Ton Coin for example made it to to top 10 as 605 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,080 of this week. It flipped avalanche and stuff 606 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,680 like that. It's just so much like stuff 607 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,680 coming up right and Underworld up. 608 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,320 I mean is have you Has anyone used Polka dot? 609 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,360 No. Have you guys ever met a Polka 610 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,040 dot community member? I'm I'm not even trying to throw 611 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,320 shade like because I'm. I'm trying to make sense of what 612 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,040 Mando's saying, and it's very true. 613 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,480 Polka dot is the 14th largest cryptocurrency by market cap 614 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,360 right now. But that tells you a lot, right? 615 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,480 That's an L1 that nobody uses and it's still managing to be 616 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,080 Top 14. That's why I think L ones can 617 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,720 stick around longer than like if you go to the gaming stuff or 618 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,360 you go to any other altcoin category and you go, they all 619 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,360 just go. What the fuck is this? 620 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,840 Am I? Am I like not? 621 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,560 Am I? Am I about to get cancelled? 622 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,880 Like what's you said, Elio, Like, like am I? 623 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,400 Am I just going to be told I'm stupid? 624 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,080 I've known anything, but I've never heard of it. 625 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,280 I don't know. I don't know what that is. 626 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,480 It's it's 23rd I I I think we're pretty good. 627 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,280 I think we use, we're like crypto power users at this stage 628 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,320 all three of us like you know, I mean we we live in those. 629 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,200 We live in the order books and then. 630 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,000 Let's go to the top. Like how many of them are memes 631 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,160 now like? Doge. 632 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,720 I mean, you have, you have Doge at #8, you have Shiba at #12, 633 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,760 and then you have to go all the way down. 634 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,800 I mean, the number one is a meme, right? 635 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,280 But you have to go all the way down to to with actually 30th. 636 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,560 30th, yeah. I mean with is the top 20 coin 637 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,680 this side goal. Yeah. 638 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,960 I just think they they gradually become their own strong asset. 639 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,560 Class basically. I mean look like Bronk is 70th, 640 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,200 Flocky's set 57th, Pepe's Top 50, now 46, but like, it's 641 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,440 really Doge and Sheba 812 and it's 30th, 46 and top 100. 642 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,120 There's only 5 meme coins, 123456 I'm sorry, the six meme 643 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,040 coins of top 1100. Like, I wouldn't be surprised 644 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,560 like 25% of that top 100 is is is meme coins in 20 years. 645 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,760 Like you're talking 20 years like. 646 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,360 Few more cycles like that wouldn't surprise me at all 647 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,240 'cause like even the boot the Zoomers are going to grow and 648 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,640 what have they been taught like? Or buying this entire time, like 649 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,760 the picture. Like this 16 year old right now 650 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,920 buying coins and what he's probably going to still own at 651 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,480 26 years old in 10 years. You know what I mean? 652 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,640 Like we're 20. We're like in our 30s pretty 653 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,200 much buying still. Like we're pretty much just 654 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:56,840 bidding meme coins. So. 655 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,480 So tells you a lot. It tells you a lot of things 656 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,480 about where we're going. Anyways. 657 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,560 Where's this Bastiang guy saying, hey, Mando never had the 658 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,480 chance to thank you. I won the $15,000 Robit giveaway 659 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,280 a few months ago. Can tell you it's been put to 660 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,520 good use. Don't know if I would be here 661 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,720 right now if it wasn't for that. Couldn't have happened a better 662 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:16,400 time. Truly. 663 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,000 Thank you. Wow. 664 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,880 I just saw. Hey, Mando, thank you. 665 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,920 I said Bastian fire. Congratulations. 666 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,400 That's, that's that's shout out to Robin. 667 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,680 I mean, tomorrow's the loose box bin, so shout out to them. 668 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,440 There's been 5 red guys. One last week by the way. 669 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,800 OV Yeah. So hey, it's good for the volume 670 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,640 volume's coming in. You know, Robin's buying them 671 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,360 and the people are dumping him into bids. 672 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,360 Like it's perfect actually. To the people's defense a lot of 673 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,320 people are keeping them. Anyways before going to CFW here 674 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,800 we have Orb in the in the in the in the studio. 675 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,480 What else do we have on here? I mean Tensor Tensor, AirDrop, 676 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,600 how is that going to go down today with Solana, I saw it was 677 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,920 it's getting listed on Bitcoin, so a on Binance. 678 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,680 So that's another Solana coin getting major listings Binance 679 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,000 crew coin, a bunch of other ones. 680 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,719 How do we what did we need to like fart? 681 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,159 I mean, I didn't use Tensor too much. 682 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,280 I bought all my bodagos and Magic Eden back then, which in 683 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,639 retrospect maybe I should have used Tensor all last. 684 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,159 Magic Eden gives me bigger AirDrop, but I don't know. 685 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,440 Is this going to go well? You say like today this is it an 686 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,520 AirDrop? Is it claim? 687 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:31,400 How's that going to go down? Trying to figure it out for 688 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,560 farming, I guess. Yeah, I'm trying to figure it 689 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,639 out now. I'm trying to see the wallet 690 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:36,920 where I have my bodagos. Like what? 691 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,679 What goes down? But Tensor's happening today, 692 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,280 that's something you guys should pay attention to if you're if 693 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,960 you're in the NFT but specifically Solana ecosystem 694 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,400 because Tensor really just operates on on Solana and then 695 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,600 and then and then and then you have and then on the NFT side, I 696 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,160 mean before I go to our guests because that is NF TS as well. 697 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,080 It the the the story of the weekend was really again big to 698 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,440 an ordinals and I was all over it. 699 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,760 You know we talked shit and then the Bitcoin whales said Nah not 700 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,840 today kids not today. I don't know if you guys saw but 701 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,280 we got humbled up pretty quickly. 702 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,080 I mean you followed because you know mando you feels like you've 703 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,360 been glued to your to your Internet this weekend. 704 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:23,240 But Bitcoin puppets came this close, this close .02 Bitcoin 705 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,760 this close this close to flipping the node monkeys. 706 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,320 And then the node monkeys said no, not today. 707 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,480 We're the big daddies of Bitcoin. 708 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,280 Sit the fuck down kids, back to the sandbox. 709 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,560 So, so the node monkeys then went from a point O2 lead on the 710 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,240 Bitcoin puppets to a .2. So that's quite significant 711 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,440 Bitcoin lead on the puppets in the end. 712 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,320 But on the back of that actually rune runes are just going crazy. 713 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,680 A bunch of people tweeting all about ruins the allocator saw 714 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,360 min. His tweet went viral, but like 715 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,440 how much you get. So that's like if you apparently 716 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,440 per the mathematics if the ruins like the for RSI CS trading at 717 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,400 like I think $0.05 it's a billion market cap if you have a 718 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,160 million RSIC coins like runes from that one you get $50,000 719 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,360 AirDrop like which is pretty wild and and on and on and on. 720 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,640 So like those ran RSIC meta protocols at point O 88 almost 721 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,440 hit .1 Bitcoin again it was .12 previously Rune pops flew this 722 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,360 weekend to point O75 back down point O63 puppets are .4 Bitcoin 723 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,440 again. Node monkeys though, no monkeys 724 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:31,000 .629, you know. So there's you still have a lot 725 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,240 of time you know to flip to flip the puppets if you have no 726 00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:35,840 monkeys. Of course, you know I only have 727 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,840 puppets so you know, I I say that freely but I'm just 728 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,200 obviously, I'm just kidding. I know a lot of no monkeys are 729 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,720 getting annoyed but it is what it is. 730 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:44,280 You know this is this the game. This is the game. 731 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,840 We're playing it and and and it's fun. 732 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,400 Besides that, if I go on the D Jens, let's see what D Jens is 733 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,520 telling us here today on the NFT front. 734 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,680 I don't think it's great. For what it's worth, do you guys 735 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,240 think board apes are going to go under sub 100 sub tennis? 736 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,320 Did you see that? They've been like out of the 737 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,400 top, they're now the fourth biggest collection. 738 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,280 So I think runestones and Node Monkeys have both overtaken them 739 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,800 in terms of market cap now. Oh fuck. 740 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,520 Yeah, so board apes. Not even in the top three. 741 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,920 Wait, so Node Monkeys Runestones. 742 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,960 And what's the third? Punks, of course. 743 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,720 Of course. Wow. 744 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,200 OK. That's not great. 745 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,120 Says what, Right? Like says a lot about what's 746 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,520 been going on this cycle. Just ordinals can't fade them. 747 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,320 No, you definitely can't. I mean, this is the cycle. 748 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,920 And then also like Lyddy, we were just talking about the 749 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,120 halving. Like, this is Lyddy coming and 750 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,640 Fading Ruins is wild during the halving. 751 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,960 So I would definitely pay attention to that on Solana. 752 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,160 I mean there's nothing much moving. 753 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,680 Hopefully after the tenser AirDrop some collections move, I 754 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,280 don't know, I think I think we we moved back to NF TS way after 755 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,360 in the cycle like the summer, like remember it's Summer 21 756 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,920 when Punks went to half a million, it was like June, July, 757 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,320 August, right. So I wouldn't be surprised if we 758 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,480 have to wait until then. And then last but not least a 759 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,520 very low sale for Zombie in terms of ETH, pretty good in USD 760 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,640 million dollar sale, 320 ETH and then OV. 761 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,840 I saw autoglyphs traded today for half $1,000,000 Bro, so that 762 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,680 was. I mean, it just looks like Ethan 763 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,720 or tea just for sale, really. Like, yeah, that zombie punk 764 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:26,440 maybe. Maybe Just mentioned that. 765 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,320 Yeah. Traded for the lowest ETH amount 766 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,280 for a while for Denzas are at like a 39 ETH floor now, so 767 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,680 that's come off quite a lot as well. 768 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,600 Yeah, yeah, it's pretty. It's getting pretty, pretty well 769 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,880 now. It's pretty brutal, I'm not 770 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,200 going to lie. And then on on on the rest of 771 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,600 the side. I mean you had you have a lot of 772 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,120 X copies trading recently and if you guys noticed there's a ton 773 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:56,440 of X copy sales happening on the in the in the in the mid tier at 774 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,800 the moment. So that's something I've I've 775 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,680 noticed Ralph PAL and the like, COSAMO and all those folks, 776 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,800 yeah. Right. 777 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,560 It's just like buying as many X copy. 778 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:06,960 As you can. Is it him? 779 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,520 It's like 90% of the X copy market at the moment. 780 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,120 Is that him? Because I know he wanted a like 781 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,120 edition of 10, so he's just keeps going. 782 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,200 Yeah. OK, that's funny. 783 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,720 I love that robo pile. It's just like Max bidding X 784 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,480 copies. It's it's poetic. 785 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,400 So that's not. Solana's going down man. 786 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,400 He's just hammering Solana and then and then buy an X copy. 787 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,640 I mean, he's cooking on Solana and Whiff, right? 788 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,200 So. So you absolutely love to see 789 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,440 that. That's what it seems to say. 790 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,120 And then last but not least, you have, you have, you know, 791 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,760 Coinbase smart wallet and stuff like that. 792 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,040 So that stuff's getting closer and closer and closer. 793 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,960 You know, I saw Jesse Pollak tweet that he was like working 794 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,680 on a Sunday night, blah, blah. So that's going to be a huge 795 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,520 narrative. And it looks like it's going to 796 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,200 be a good week, especially as OV's Balls has been tingling, 797 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,360 per the timeline. And usually we pump on that. 798 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,840 That's usually what happened. I was not sure. 799 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,760 You know, I was when I fly, I'm traveling for 2 1/2 weeks, I was 800 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,680 like, hmm, sure. I saw some stuff. 801 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,800 I opened XI saw OV tweet that. And I was like, OK, maybe like, 802 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,360 you know what we're we'll have a great week. 803 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,280 Turns out that was the right call. 804 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,200 Anyways, where we bring Orb up. Orb. 805 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,160 Whoa, that's a cool background. I like it when I guess our fire 806 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,040 backgrounds. Orb. 807 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,400 What's up man? Good morning. 808 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,080 How you doing? Good morning. 809 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,560 How you guys doing? We are absolutely vibing. 810 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,160 Take me through your background. What is going on in there? 811 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,280 I like that. Reminds me now. 812 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,440 Well, First off, I should apologize 'cause I sound like I 813 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:33,000 sing in a grunge band from 1991, 'cause I went to NFTNYC and man 814 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,080 got wrecked. So sorry. 815 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,880 I sound like a fucking grandpa right now. 816 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,640 That eats a lot of drugs. That's all art. 817 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,280 That's art. That's art. 818 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,920 That's also art. That's actually a Pascal Blanche 819 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,040 piece I collected like 2 weeks ago on On Foundation. 820 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,720 So that one's cool. But now I made some of it all. 821 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,960 I made all the shelves and shit. And there's a lot of books. 822 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,240 Proof that some of us actually read books even though none of 823 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:00,280 us read shit anywhere else, you know? 824 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,520 But yeah, no, man, this is my cozy office. 825 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,840 Welcome to it. Thanks for having me. 826 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,160 I like that man. I mean thank you for coming. 827 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,400 Thank you for being a show partner. 828 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,640 I mean you're we've had you know a lot of people been asking what 829 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,360 CFW is. We shouted out at the beginning 830 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,360 and and obviously we've been waiting to do the show with you. 831 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,840 Obviously like ERC 4/4 is a narrative that person like been 832 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,960 following more and more. Shout out to Asterisk Team two 833 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,720 like DN 4/4 and what they're building on there, but you guys 834 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:28,080 were one of the 1st and earliest people to adopt ERC 4 fours with 835 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,840 Pandora if I'm not mistaken one of the first, if not the first 836 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,800 generative art project. Yes, Sir. 837 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:34,920 There you go, there you go. There you go. 838 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:35,880 There you go. I know my shit. 839 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,440 But maybe first or before we get into that, if you can give us 840 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,920 maybe like a little intro of like who you are and like what 841 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,040 you know Palette is. Yeah, for sure. 842 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,640 For sure. So Pallet is actually a CFWS 843 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,560 product. CFW stands for Chapters From 844 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,080 Within. He's an Indian artist I've been 845 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,720 working with for three years in the space. 846 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,560 He's the shadowy pill. I'm the actual human with the 847 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,720 voice. And it's just how we vibe men. 848 00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:59,240 It's how we build. We've been working together for 849 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:01,840 three years. Pallet is a product of just a 850 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,560 series of art projects that we've put out together over the 851 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,720 years. It's all CF WS Vision. 852 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,280 In the case of Pallet I wrote the code for, it basically 853 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,080 quantizes existing images from one of our older collections, 854 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,600 remaps them to this new Bauhaus aesthetic that we went back and 855 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,120 forth on. And it was. 856 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,440 It's actually kind of funny because it's a fractionalized, 857 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,120 right with the RC four O 4, but the art itself is actually 858 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,920 fractionalized because we broke down our older project and used 859 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,600 them as source files to create these crazy Bauhaus, you know, 860 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,960 grids. And that's it in a nutshell, 861 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,480 really. I mean we're, I want to, I want 862 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,720 to clarify also like that we're we're thankful for for Pandora 863 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:42,920 and ERC 404 and everything but we're artists first and foremost 864 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,960 like the Tokenomics kind of comes second for us. 865 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,280 So either at 720 ones, four O fours or on base you know we're 866 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,240 down with everything you know what I mean And in fact I 867 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:53,680 actually work in a number of other projects with the guys who 868 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,320 developed the DN40 4AS well. So yeah we're out of we're we 869 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,200 got our fingers in a lot of projects man. 870 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,120 You know, so it's kind of we're we're very like on the the 871 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,200 peaceful level with everybody, so yeah. 872 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,240 OK, I like that you like Switzerland. 873 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,520 Like you have a very Switzerland approach, yeah. 874 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,400 Except we don't. We don't keep Nazi gold. 875 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,200 I'm a Turk. He's an Indian. 876 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,120 That's crazy. I listen, I I think what you 877 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,840 guys doing is really cool and I mean you're the deaf, so you you 878 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,160 probably have quite some some knowledge when it comes when it 879 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,320 comes to that. And I love that you you really 880 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,440 mentioned that you guys you guys are doing a lot. 881 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,280 Look, I'm sharing the on the screen for those of you who are 882 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,800 watching on some video, 'cause we are on video always, I think 883 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,200 how many, what, 3100 people. Holy shit. 884 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,680 Yeah 'cause the Binance Live gets us a ton of live viewers. 885 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,000 So if you're on Binance Live, what's up? 886 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,000 Follow us on Twitter, FOMO hour and also CFW here that I'm 887 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,720 sharing on the screen for everybody. 888 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,400 But why don't you talk to us more about palate and and you 889 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,160 know like the evolution to IPWT, what IPWT is and like just what 890 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,560 you up to right now? Yeah, bet. 891 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,800 So like I said, like pallets, basically the second version of 892 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,080 what we did with pill heads generative, which we dropped at 893 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,360 the worst point in the market in 2022. 894 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,640 Like it's like we woke up and everything was crashing and 895 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,720 we're like, well, we're out of juice ship it. 896 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,440 So we shipped it ended up being a free mint. 897 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,080 So everybody got bitter and stuff in between that hasn't 898 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,520 been with our community all along. 899 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,480 And then, you know, Pallet happens and everybody's like, Oh 900 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,840 yeah, you guys keep giving us a lot of cool free stuff. 901 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,080 So Pallet became one of those things, but more so it's kind of 902 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,440 like from a personal level, it's CFW kind of saying, hey, look, 903 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,480 we're moving forward, here's another collection, we're 904 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,160 bringing in some generative arts. 905 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,800 We're actually going on chain. Hopefully this week I'm 906 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,320 responsible for the delays. You have a version 2 of it 907 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,320 coming out and if you look at all of CF, WS past collections, 908 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,160 they're all kind of gateways into all the other projects that 909 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,640 are part of it. And some of them even have 910 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,480 multiple versions you can like toggle through, you know, like 911 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,200 those top right little toggles on NFTS and HTML embeds. 912 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,040 So this is going to turn into one of those as well. 913 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,400 There will be a version 3 down the road and ultimately IPWT 914 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:08,240 stands for in Pills we Trust which is the brand and basically 915 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:12,120 CFW is creating this umbrella brand for everything and all 916 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,400 these like you know we call them products. 917 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,480 To us they're just art projects and our holders and our 918 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,560 community that have been with us like through thick and thin at 919 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,640 this point. You know, there's a lot of new 920 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,360 folks that come and go, but like, we know we see the ones 921 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,320 that are there for us, you know, and we're just really proud that 922 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,000 everybody's part of this IPWT thing with us because people 923 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,080 trust us, you know, it's a lot of responsibility. 924 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:38,200 Like I'm on a show called Rug Radio and our, our, our brand is 925 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,200 always like we don't even know how to rug people. 926 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,360 You know, we're so deeply entrenched in this shit. 927 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,320 So, so yeah, I mean and you know, keep in mind, like, you 928 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,000 know, CFW is like building all the time. 929 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,520 Yeah, he's got, he's got a drop on base this week too. 930 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,720 Brand new quality. Yeah, let's go. 931 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,840 He's cooking. Oh yeah. 932 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:58,800 I love that. I love that. 933 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,480 How's the experience been? What's what's your favorite 934 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,160 been? You seem like you. 935 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,440 You've been across chains here. You know you've done the RC44 936 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,760 shit. You're doing the base stuff now. 937 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,200 What's? You've had a favorite? 938 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,960 So far, so I look man, I'm really agnostic with everything. 939 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,240 I, I, I'm, I'm going to try not to get in trouble here because I 940 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,920 work with feisty Dao and I work for own the Doge. 941 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,240 So I'm I'm kind of a dev on both teams. 942 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,360 They're my organ. Yeah, they're my fractionalized 943 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,840 fam. You know, I started out with 944 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,120 with feisty Dao. Actually cause path collected my 945 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:26,800 art like 3. Years. 946 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,800 No way on the doge. They they. 947 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,520 That's the when they bought the Dogecoin dog and I. 948 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,640 Yeah, yeah. I started out with feisty. 949 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,920 It's the original fractionalized one along with Now I work for 950 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,160 Dog as well, but. I remember that. 951 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,360 Yeah, yeah. You guys were just talking about 952 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,920 how dog Coins are doing. Well, we are doing really 953 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,000 fucking well. Like, you know, go buy some 954 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,480 more. You hold on, you the dog. 955 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,680 Like that was a crazy, like, we 'cause we talked about the WIF 956 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,320 NFT selling to like GCR for like for like I want GCR. 957 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,120 It was a GCR it. Was yeah, we we we made that. 958 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,480 We made that happen. This guy parking our Dow over at 959 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,160 Feisty knew the guy who owns The Who owns the dog, who started 960 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,000 the meme And we kind of what's the word mediated it made it 961 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,680 happen. So we got it on Foundation 4 and 962 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,600 it was like $4.3 million GCR. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 963 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,400 Yeah. But then, but the dog one was 964 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,080 even more in last night. It. 965 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,480 Depends on the ETH value, but yeah, they're all million multi 966 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,760 $1,000,000 photos. I I just got a, just had a show 967 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,880 in my friend Dundo, had a show in Australia with the original 968 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,400 photo and shit, so I got a. Smokey. 969 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,400 From Kabosu Mama. It's fucking awesome. 970 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,120 No way yo that that. Is that the actual Doge dog 971 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,320 photo? That's actually signed print? 972 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:47,320 This is this is one of 696 for the culture. 973 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,120 And I got #70. They didn't send me #69, I got 974 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,760 #7. Whatever, I'm happy. 975 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,800 It's cool. You're one off. 976 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:55,800 You're one off. So what? 977 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,240 What's what's your dogecoin prediction? 978 00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:59,160 The cycle. I don't make predictions. 979 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,280 I'll tell you though that we are cooking a 24 freaking seven. 980 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,000 I don't do financial advice. I talk shit on Solana all the 981 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,720 time. I get a mad shit for it. 982 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,160 But I think I I think at the end of the day, like the L twos and 983 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,000 L ones we're looking at. I mean, it's ETH, man. 984 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,360 Anything on ETH Bitcoins great. I'm really supportive of what it 985 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,840 stands for, but as far as functionality, NFTS, all this 986 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,600 cool stuff, Ethereum's here to stay. 987 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,360 That's my personal opinion. But but I'm very I encourage 988 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,440 people to do anything decentralized, 'cause we got rid 989 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,720 of we we got to get rid of the existing structures, now we got 990 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:35,000 to work together. I I I think we got to stay 991 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,720 agnostic. There's got to be multi chain 992 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:38,880 solutions for everyone. I agree. 993 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,120 I like that. Any reason what? 994 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,200 What can I ask you what you like most about ERC 40 fours? 995 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,080 Of course. Like, I'm starting to get a 996 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,920 little bit more into it with like the tiny, tiny time I have 997 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,400 to like, research more shit 'cause I do like to read 998 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,640 sometimes too. I I I think I should speak for 999 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,360 the project, not for my personal perspective of what I like. 1000 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,160 Yeah, look, as a project for CFW, why did you guys start with 1001 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,760 Pandora? Well, so it was right time, 1002 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,600 right place, right. So CFWS in a telegram with these 1003 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,200 guys, they're doing this thing and he's just like, hey, we got 1004 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,920 this art project. They looked at his work and 1005 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,720 obviously if you look at CFWS work, you're like, oh crap, this 1006 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,680 guy's for real, you know? So they brought him on. 1007 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,440 We cooked the shit in two weeks. Two weeks. 1008 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,360 I've been working on iterative for 18 months. 1009 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,960 The mint is still open. It's the dopest thing I've ever 1010 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,120 built. But pallet, we shipped in two 1011 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,640 weeks and it was a success. You know what I mean? 1012 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,320 And I think part of that is because people are sick and 1013 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,640 tired of illiquid jpegs. And it was like an exciting 1014 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,520 solution for somebody to be able to buy into a project, just dip 1015 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,000 their toes in it and get a fraction of a coin, as opposed 1016 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,440 to having to buy the NFT every time. 1017 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,760 Right. I have some reservations about 1018 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,640 it. I think the good thing about 1019 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,360 this is that there are imperfections, which means that 1020 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,480 the groups behind DN Four O 4, ERC Four O 4, they're working 1021 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,960 things out, which is a good sign. 1022 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,760 Like, you know, if everything works great out-of-the-box, we 1023 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,400 wouldn't be here. We wouldn't have any problems. 1024 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,080 We wouldn't be trying to figure out what's next. 1025 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,960 You know what I mean? So I think ERC Four O 4 is good 1026 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,000 for people who want to kind of get exposure to a project that 1027 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,280 they might be unsure about or are just kind of like, hey, 1028 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,000 here's a more fun way to get engaged because you know, we're, 1029 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,560 we're tying in the Tokenomics people with the NFT folks, you 1030 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,760 know what I mean? So it's like it's a really 1031 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,160 interesting crossover. We actually found out that a 1032 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,000 very small percentage of our collectors and we have a pretty 1033 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,840 big community are actually doing both, which is really 1034 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,640 surprising, you know? OK, that's really cool. 1035 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,520 No, I I've just, I'm just getting a little more curious 1036 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,080 about it as like I do think like there's going to be like another 1037 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,120 run at some point once we're done playing with you know coins 1038 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,480 and meme coins, all that stuff. So yeah, but but I mean the 1039 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,680 narrative of like coin Titan NFT is just perfect. 1040 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,000 Like it's a it's a combination of both. 1041 00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:47,320 It's like 2021's like NFT cycle and this year is like the meme 1042 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,000 coin cycle. It's everything in one fucking 1043 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,960 bucket which which that things go. 1044 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,120 But anyways back to your back to what you're doing. 1045 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,280 You know you talk to us about how you fit in the world of CFW, 1046 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,120 how you dev, you do all the dev work across chains usually EVM 1047 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,680 it sounds and and pro decentralization you love to see 1048 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,040 that we love to hear it and but can you talk to me maybe like 1049 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,240 about the generative art and like what's next for you guys. 1050 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:11,640 Of course I get started as an art project. 1051 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,640 CFW is an artist himself, and you're an artist with code, I 1052 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,080 guess. What's next? 1053 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,240 Like, what are you guys gonna stick to Gen. 1054 00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:18,560 R? Like, what do you think about 1055 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:19,920 the state of space? Here's the thing, I mean like 1056 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,360 both of us are artists in the real world as much as we are 1057 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,040 here. I mean CFW has always been on 1058 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,920 digital and he's actually, if you can track on who he really 1059 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,040 is. He's a video shooting genius. 1060 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,680 He makes videos. He's a After Effects whiz. 1061 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,320 He does 3D, you know, I I do a real world art installation. 1062 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,600 I did fabrication for years. I hang people from hooks, 1063 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,600 literally. Like, that's my, like, claim to 1064 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,280 fame in the real world. You know, I do like large scale 1065 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,080 art installations and stuff, but I've been coding since I was a 1066 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,360 kid and then I quit it, 'cause I was like, I'm done and then web 1067 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,360 Three happened and I'm like, OK, I'm back, you know? 1068 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,520 So I I think what's next for us is really just exploring how far 1069 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,680 we can push all of it. I mean, we're I'm really big on 1070 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,880 generative art. I I think terraforms are the 1071 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,440 best thing that happened to the EVM. 1072 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,600 I think Fidenza's are cool and whatever, but like we're looking 1073 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,600 at a new School of Art, which is what iterative is about, which 1074 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:09,800 is the project I've been working on. 1075 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,600 CFW did all the marketing assets for. 1076 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,360 We're world building, and all of these projects we're working on 1077 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,880 under IP, WT and under my own brand as well are all kind of 1078 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,360 kind of integrate into its own ecosystem that actually welcomes 1079 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,000 other projects to come be a part of it. 1080 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,200 There's gonna be gaming elements, there's gonna be art 1081 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,480 elements, there's gonna be some Tokenomics stuff, 'cause we just 1082 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,280 we we just accept it as artists that like this is the world we 1083 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,240 live in, you know? Like we don't want to be broke 1084 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,040 and nobody likes a starving artist, you know? 1085 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,760 So I think what's next for us is really just kind of figuring out 1086 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,280 how we can merge all this stuff CFW has. 1087 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,680 I don't think we can like, quantify how many freaking 1088 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,800 projects this guy has going on. I can quantify mine because I 1089 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,720 can speak for myself, which is also a stupid number. 1090 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,440 But ultimately, like we, for me personally at least, like I want 1091 00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,600 to take some of the art we're doing. 1092 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,560 And like what I'm doing with iterative is like these 1093 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,440 endlessly looping things on the EVM. 1094 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,680 You're going to be able to, like, plug in your biorhythms so 1095 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,920 you can go see it in person at an art installation. 1096 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,240 You can breathe with my art and it'll breathe with you, you 1097 00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:12,560 know, stuff like that. You know what I mean? 1098 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,960 So we got, we got some crazy shit cooking, but we're also 1099 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,000 mindful that we have to stay relevant. 1100 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,880 And it's a it's a cutthroat scene, you know? 1101 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,360 It is. It is very cutthroat. 1102 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,040 So you know, I guess one last one last question for you and 1103 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,680 Orb you, you see you have a lot of fans, man. 1104 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,200 I'm getting tags, getting a lot of comments in in in here from 1105 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,840 people really like you. Someone said Orb is still a kid 1106 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,000 though What? But but question for you Orb is, 1107 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,960 is where should we point the people out to, right? 1108 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,120 Clearly you said there's a lot of projects. 1109 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,680 I don't want to confuse people. Palette to school by the way, 1110 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,640 really appreciate you guys like partnering with us over the last 1111 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,440 month. It's been fun to see that like 1112 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,600 that colorful logo at the bottom right of the of the screen as 1113 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,000 well. But like what's next and where 1114 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,040 do we where are we? What are we telling people? 1115 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:55,920 To follow. All right, So first of all, the 1116 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,280 guy who commented, Argo, I'm actually doing a project with 1117 00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:59,960 them over the next three months. Of course you are. 1118 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,400 Can we do projects too? Like, are we? 1119 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,560 Do I get to work with you too? Like you sound like you're 1120 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,240 really cool, man. Hit me up. 1121 00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:09,320 Get get out of the branding world for Just come chill with 1122 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,880 me. Look, grab your vape pen. 1123 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,040 Take a hit. I roll my joints, but yeah, I'll 1124 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,280 bring my don't worry, I'll bring them. 1125 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,600 I I can't do flour right now, 'cause I sound like a fucking 1126 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:19,960 octogenarian. No, not right now. 1127 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,720 Not right now. Not after an event after New 1128 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:22,120 York. You. 1129 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,840 Don't know that but come build with us, you know and and to 1130 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,720 come build with us anybody's welcome to hit us up. 1131 00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,720 We are starting an incubator for next quarter. 1132 00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:31,720 We we're going to work with some pretty big names hopefully and 1133 00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:34,040 bring up some emerging artists. But the best way to connect with 1134 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,200 us is follow CFW, it's I am CFW, follow me. 1135 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,560 It's Art of Orb. If you go to our profiles, 1136 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,720 you'll see all the projects that we're working on, from pill 1137 00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:48,240 heads, generative to palette to iterative, to even the the 1138 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,040 feisty stuff with the Doges. You know, like we're we're 1139 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,440 everywhere right now. And like, honestly, just follow 1140 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,520 us and pay attention and be patient. 1141 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,320 You know, be patient, 'cause if you if you had a partner, if you 1142 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,640 like to come on our discord and you'll find out everybody's just 1143 00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,160 like, Oh yeah, hey, welcome to the Ship show. 1144 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,120 We've been here for three years. You know, let's have some fun. 1145 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,000 I love that. I love that. 1146 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,200 Man, you guys sound so fun. Definitely want to keep chatting 1147 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,080 with you about a few things because you honestly sound like 1148 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,040 a base dev. I mean, Mando, do you have dev 1149 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,960 questions? Well, we have a base Ethereum 1150 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,560 dev. I mean you're you're a Solana 1151 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,120 dev now. I don't know if you know or but. 1152 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,040 I heard. Yeah. 1153 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,360 It's great. No, I don't. 1154 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,440 I don't. I mean, I don't know. 1155 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:29,960 Like I I think this is really cool. 1156 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,320 I I agree with you at the I think. 1157 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,920 I think you gotta you gotta you got a possibility here with with 1158 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,320 building out with a bunch of different artists. 1159 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,200 You clearly know your art. And yeah, we should we should do 1160 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,960 a project. We should do a project too. 1161 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,200 I'm right here. Yeah. 1162 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,320 Oh my God, I love that. I think it's. 1163 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,040 I think it's so cool. Well, orb dude, thank you so 1164 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,520 much for for for being here. Thank you for being partners of 1165 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:57,560 ours. Shout to CFWI. 1166 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,200 Saw him in the comments as well. What was hosting here? 1167 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,240 So really cool. And then hopefully we get to to 1168 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:06,920 link up and get some rest. The New York NY sickness is 1169 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,720 real. No, there's no, there's no time 1170 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:10,240 for rest. I mean, dude. 1171 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,440 I got all three times I went all three times. 1172 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,880 I didn't go this time, but all three times before that I got 1173 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,440 sick the week after. I'm sorry to hear that. 1174 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,640 Well, you're you're fine now. I got sick for you. 1175 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,680 There you go. You you all did. 1176 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:23,880 I saw Frank at Twitter. He's sick. 1177 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,160 I saw a bunch of people. But anyways, or thank you for 1178 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,520 coming on. I appreciate you and good luck 1179 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,200 with everything. Yeah, thanks. 1180 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:31,680 Thanks for having. Me appreciate you. 1181 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,200 All right. All right. 1182 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,920 Well, Mendo, Mendo, Mendo. Have fun. 1183 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,760 Devin for the rest of the day, I'm excited to see your beard. 1184 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,800 Are you the type of guy that can grow like a beard Beard like you 1185 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,560 have a nice full beard. Can you go look? 1186 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,160 I can grow. I can grow a proper beard, yeah. 1187 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:49,720 Yeah. You look like because it's like 1188 00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:52,120 nice and full you there's no, you're not spotty. 1189 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:54,360 Looks like you should let it go, I think. 1190 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,200 I think you let it grow until like 100 million, yeah. 1191 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,520 Let the beard grow until 100. Yeah, yeah, I mean it will. 1192 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,680 I think. I think it's it's that that's a 1193 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,240 good, that's a good idea actually. 1194 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,160 Full, full dev. Chad. 1195 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,240 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot of depth chat. 1196 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,560 Let's do that. All right, perfect. 1197 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,920 Well, that's fun. We have a new thing for the 1198 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,520 show. For those of you who are in 1199 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,160 Paris, I'm speaking to more at Paris Boxing Week, I believe I'm 1200 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,000 on stage at 6:20 PM CET here at the Carousel de Louvre. 1201 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,720 So if you want to come get some tickets, yada yada, yada. 1202 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,680 I think we've shared about it. But if you're in France, I'll be 1203 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,720 around if there's side events going on doing Paris Boxing 1204 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,360 week, hit me up on DMS and I'll be around coming to you. 1205 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,520 And if not, we'll see you in Dubai next week. 1206 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,120 But the show will definitely and most certainly go on all week. 1207 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,400 So with that, with that, with that, we will see you all 1208 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,600 tomorrow morning, 10:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, 3:30 PM 1209 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,960 GMT for another episode of Four More Hour on Rock Radio. 1210 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,080 Let's go.