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Good morning, good morning GMGM 
everyone and welcome to another 

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episode of Omo Hour today. 
Today is Wednesday, April 9th, 

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25. 
Yesterday we said it was going 

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to be turn around Tuesday. 
In fact, it was. 

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It was a a historic turn around 
Tuesday, the biggest intraday 

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turn around in stock market 
history. 

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But it went the wrong way, and 
now China is clapping back on 

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tariffs along with the European 
Union. 

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It felt like the sky was falling
last night, this morning. 

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And the question is, can we even
turn this back around anytime 

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soon or are we in for a lot more
pain? 

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We're going to break it all down
on today's show. 

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No, for Oak. 
He's still at Blockchain Week. 

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Amanda will be joining us very 
likely here in just a few 

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minutes. 
But while we wait, we still have

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Logan on with us live from Peru.
Logan GM, How you doing? 

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Hey, good morning, Tyler. 
I'm doing quite well despite the

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market antics. 
Just took a couple days off from

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my job duties to enjoy Peru. 
And yeah, I'm, I'm feeling 

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pretty good. 
I actually feel rather 

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refreshed. 
I know it might, it might seem 

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crazy that that's even possible,
but mark it aside, I'm doing 

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pretty well. 
Well. 

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You picked a few good days to to
do that. 

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And actually it was quick, 
serious recommendation. 

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And folks, if you're, if you're 
on the timeline and, and you're,

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and you're doom scrolling and 
you see all this doom porn, it 

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is healthy to take a break, put 
the phone down, go outside. 

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Normal people outside of CT 
aren't, aren't running around 

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their, their hair on fire. 
So I think that's always a good 

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reality check. 
So what what were you doing in 

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Peru? 
Well. 

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My fiance's family came in. 
She's here for a clinical 

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rotation for her physician 
assistant school, so her family 

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came in, so we're just showing 
them around. 

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Yesterday I went sandboarding, 
which is like snowboarding down 

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a sand dune. 
Never snowboarded before. 

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Obviously, I've never 
sandboarded so yeah, just, you 

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know, taking in some of the 
stuff that we don't have the 

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opportunity to take advantage of
where I live in rural PA and 

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enjoying it. 
And as you, as you noted, being 

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away from the screens. 
It's been like 4 days now since 

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I opened my laptop more or less.
It doesn't feel quite as bad 

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when you just close. 
It doesn't feel, it does not 

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feel like Chicken Little world 
is, you know, sky is falling out

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there. 
Of course, as soon as you open 

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up the laptop, things changed 
quite dramatically. 

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Last night was the most the sky 
is falling I think I've seen in 

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quite some time on X. 
And this is bigger than just CT.

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This is like Tranfi X as well. 
We'll we'll get into it here in 

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a minute. 
Before we do that, though, 

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Logie, I think you also have a 
bit of a crypto solves this 

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anecdote from Peru. 
Yeah. 

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Tell tell us. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So man, I was trying to get some
cash out for this excursion 

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yesterday and just the, my gosh,
the, the difficulty in getting 

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funds into my hand from my bank 
account here into my hand into 

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Peruvian solace to be able to 
hand over to the folks to go 

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sandboarding. 
I was standing in line. 

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I had to walk from Western Union
to Western Union to other 

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Western Union to another place, 
do this thing, do that thing. 

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It took me like 5 miles of 
walking and two hours of, you 

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know, just kind of waiting in 
lines and stuff. 

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And the entire time I was 
thinking, man, crypto really 

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does fix this. 
If I could just send some USDC 

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to these folks. 
And the issue is they do have, 

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they have like things like Venmo
and stuff, but I need a Peruvian

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bank account to use the ones 
that they're using. 

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It's not as simple as just like 
no intermediary. 

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Let me send some USDC to this, 
to this gentleman's Ethereum 

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address. 
So yeah, it's one of those days 

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that there are, it doesn't feel 
like there are too many of them,

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Tyler, at least not right now. 
But it's one of those days where

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you actually just step back and 
you're like, all right, you know

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what? 
Crypto makes a little bit of 

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sense, at least a little bit of 
sense. 

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Well, we, we love that take away
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off from the screens. 
Mando is on with us. 

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Mando big day. 
Jim, how you doing? 

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Yeah, Tuesday. 
Just I'm doing OK. 

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I'm doing OK. 
Busy but but but good busy 

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market seems to be bouncing back
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I guess like definitely doesn't 
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I mean all the stuff that I 
mentioned yesterday has kind of 

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just gotten worse. 
I would say in macro, you know, 

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10 year bond yields went even 
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You have the rhetoric increasing
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like there's been certain 
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few hours, which points like 
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say. 
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Peter Hexa saying we're going to
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Remember, that is owned by a 
Hong Kong billionaire who had 

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just sold it to Black Rock. 
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that sale. 
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And then similarly, China just 
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its citizens going to the US, 
which you would normally do in 

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like a, in, in a, in a time of 
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down. 
So I, I don't love those two 

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headlines and I don't love the 
increase in rhetoric on, on like

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the defence and, and, and side. 
So, but markets are bouncing a 

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little bit. 
I think people are still kind of

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wondering what's going to happen
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Like does Bitcoin feel like an 
OK hedge suddenly now again to 

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all of this, even for, for 
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Like I think people this isn't 
this is now affecting a lot of 

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different people. 
And I think people are wondering

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where to put their money to put 
it in Chinese yuan. 

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Should they put it in yen? 
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even dollars? 
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decided, hey, actually I think 
Bitcoin might be the one just to

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hold over this period. 
So I, I put out a tweet before 

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we went live. 
I kind of felt like Bitcoin was,

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it's held the 76 1/2 K level 
through some wild macro stuff 

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here like and I just get the 
feeling it could pop. 

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I really do. 
You're already seeing money 

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printing kind of being 
announced, I think, sorry. 

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Some Japan said they might 
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China's the only way China can 
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stimulus. 
And then there's some talk about

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the Fed intervening, but not in 
not traditional QE and not not 

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like lowering interest rates. 
So it's like swap lines, making 

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sure banks are well funded. 
We may see a headline around 

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that, I feel, but. 
Well, I I want to go into all of

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this here in in a bit more 
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what's next. 
All right. 

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Well, Mando, I know you kind of 
already started your your market

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report there, but let's let's 
get right deeper into it. 

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Yeah, who is the man Macro, 
daddy of the land? 

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Can you dig it? 
Yes, I guess I did kind of 

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already get into it. 
Sorry if I jumped the gun there.

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But yeah, my general view here 
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this is not getting better. 
Like if people thought this was 

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going to be resolved, this 
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get better, at least between 
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In fact, it seems to be getting 
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And as we said yesterday, 
there's a lot of ways that these

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two people can hurt each other. 
And they're both kind of strong 

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men who I don't necessarily 
think one of either of them 

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wants to back down now. 
Now, the US obviously started 

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almost like a trade war with 
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So you could see some better 
headlines over like deals with 

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Japan or deals with South Korea 
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like easier deals. 
These things do take a little 

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bit of time though. 
Like it's not like tradition. 

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The UK has been waiting on a 
trade deal with the US since 

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Brexit. 
Like it's not, it's not like, Oh

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yeah, deal done. 
Like these things can take a 

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long time often. 
So let's see. 

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And yeah, particularly about the
EU, like EU does not move 

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quickly and they've said they're
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as well. 
So I don't know if I was Trump 

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or the Trump team here, because 
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division already starting to 
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Like it might make sense to 
indicate, you know, you may be 

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willing to do some deals with 
with with more allied partners, 

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let's say. 
And I think that that is a 

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headline where probably, you 
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announce deal with UK, you know,
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South Korea, I think I think the
market would rally pretty hard 

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on something like that just to 
because it, it signals that, you

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know, they're, they're already 
in the deal making sort of phase

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of this. 
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headlines going to come. 
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for Bitcoin, which I've said for
the last few days and obviously 

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it's gone lower even on the last
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see unbelievable amounts of 
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And when it stabilizes, I think 
Bitcoin it really pops because 

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of that. 
But you just don't know the 

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headline. 
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that's not a great headline. 
That's really not a good 

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headline. 
And this, you know, this feels 

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like it's going not terribly 
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Like, you know, maybe North 
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too, Like that's like a China 
proxy and and has been involved 

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in some of this stuff before, 
like North Korea versus South 

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Korea. 
Maybe that's flares up like this

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is not just we're going to 
strong arm China like this. 

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They have a lot of different 
things that they can do, I 

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think. 
And that's not like saying that 

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they're they are stronger than 
the US. 

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I'm just saying that there is 
some stuff that could go down 

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here if this isn't resolved. 
So I think you have to just be a

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wary that if you're long, you're
praying there's no more crazy 

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headlines and there's some loose
level potentially of, of, of 

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resolution, least with allies. 
But over the next three to six 

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months, I think this is a very 
good buying level for for 

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Bitcoin. 
That's that's my general view, 

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because I think money printing 
in this world is about to go 

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wild. 
And I also think there's a lot 

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of questions about reserve 
currencies like what to own. 

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And I think I think Bitcoin does
well in that environment. 

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So I, I can never predict what's
gonna happen over the next 24 

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hours or week at the moment 
because it's just crazy. 

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But I do think this is a good 
buying zone here for Bitcoin. 

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I I had that same read, no idea 
where where the bottom is. 

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It could be back at 72 K. 
Maybe it goes lower like KBN has

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been calling for 60s, maybe 50s.
But if you are DCA ING in, it 

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does feel like a pretty decent 
level here. 

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And I don't know, I think this 
has kind of been mocked a little

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bit from the Bitcoin just trades
with traditional markets, but it

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does feel relatively strong to 
me like it's down 9% on the 

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week, like the I think the Max 7
is down something like 15 to 

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17%. 
Definitely strong Bitcoin, 

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Bitcoin is really outperformed 
here. 

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Like you have to understand that
this is this is a classic case 

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of a correlation of 1 sell off. 
And by that what I mean is every

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single market is selling off Oil
just went below 60 stocks are 

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selling off, bonds are selling 
off, right. 

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So you have and even oil, even 
gold sold off for a little bit, 

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right? 
Like you have correlation of 1 

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sell off where everything's 
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And I think that is that will 
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But but a lot of the stuff 
that's happening here is kind of

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bullish, I would say for 
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no like World War 3. 
And that's the one kind of 

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uncertainty for me. 
So yeah, I think DCA or have a 

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long term view here. 
I'm not saying the Bitcoin can't

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go lower. 
I just feel like this is a good,

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a good point for it here. 
This this 76 1/2 K level is held

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through a lot here. 
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really go wrong in my view now. 
Or yeah, maybe we had some crazy

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headline, you know, like ships 
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60s, something like that. 
But but yeah, I don't know. 

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It does. 
Maybe we're on that trajectory. 

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I mean, this is escalating 
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I think that's one of the the 
consensus takes from the the 

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chats I'm in who folks who have 
been following this kind of 

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daily since last Wednesday like 
this China trade war, it was 

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25%, then 50% then China matches
US comes back now China's 

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escalating and then now the 
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that this risk warning to 
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So certainly like that, 
hopefully just another like sign

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of escalating rhetoric rather 
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Certainly as an American, I hope
that is the the case here, man, 

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No curious for your thoughts. 
I mean, last night, like I was, 

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I was on CT on tread fight 
Twitter and it really felt like 

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the sky was falling. 
I think everyone was talking 

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about the bond market and bonds 
breaking and this this swap rate

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going incredibly like falling 
off a Cliff. 

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I'm curious, any insider like 
what the hell happened last 

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night? 
And like, why aren't we lower? 

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Like I thought when I was 
watching this all unfold, 

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Bitcoin was going to 75 Ki was 
like, we're going to open deep 

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red tomorrow. 
Yeah, unless I'm less worried 

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about banks not having 
liquidity. 

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In fact, I kind of see that as 
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because I think that the Fed 
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that. 
I'm, I'm more worried about 

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sovereign bond market. 
So that if that figure goes to 

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like 7% on the 10 year, on the 
30 year, like that is not a 

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great scenario. 
And you could see various 

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countries defaulting and you 
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real issues with its own 
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I, I don't know if that's going 
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It, it feels as though I 
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I wouldn't rule out. 
That is also like a big worry 

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if, if, if it keeps on going, 
China's got $750 billion of 

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Treasuries it can sell. 
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they were selling yesterday, but
there's also some reports this 

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was actually like a blowing up 
of a basis trade, which is like 

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unwound between futures and 
cash. 

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So, so if it's that and you've 
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750 billion, like that's not a 
great headline either. 

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So yeah, I'm not sure on that 
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I'm not sure on that one like 
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That's the other. 
If 10 year goes to 6% plus here 

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that that that would really that
would really worry you, worry 

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me. 
Definitely one to to be watching

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there and cautious hub. 
I think some of this is out to 

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me with some of the the US 
leadership rhetoric coming out 

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this morning. 
Trump's all over the place. 

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He's saying pass the tax cut 
bill now our country will boom 

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feels a little out of left field
and not the. 

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Right. 
Be cool. 

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Be. 
Cool. 

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Be cool everyone. 
We're going to be bigger than 

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ever here in in just a a few 
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The problem of course, everyone 
from CT knows the last time a 

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Trump told us to buy something 
it was Ethereum and it went on 

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to fall 50% in the matter of a 
few weeks. 

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So we are a bit cautious when 
someone with the last name Trump

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tells us to buy an asset. 
This that coming out and saying 

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for the next 4 years it's Main 
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I mean, I've been a best at fan,
spoken highly of them. 

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Like this comment feels a little
out of out of pocket. 

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I'm not, I'm not really sure 
what it means. 

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And I think there's a lot of 
evidence that the tariffs would 

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impact Main Street, perhaps even
more so. 

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I think they're winging it, but 
I genuinely do. 

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I think they're just kind of 
seeing what happens and then 

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they the narrative can kind of 
shift. 

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I, I don't think it was really 
pitched that that Trump wasn't 

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going to, wasn't going to be 
good for the stock stock market.

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I think this is just kind of 
become the pitch now, which is 

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like, these are more populist 
style policies, which could 

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really hurt, but they'll be good
for us in the medium term. 

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I, I, I, I think a lot of that 
is just political talk. 

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And that's not like being anti 
Trump or anything. 

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I just think that like 
narratives can shift and, and 

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they'll own it and, and they're 
always going to spin it as like 

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a really good thing. 
That's just that's just 

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politics. 
Yeah. 

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And at the same time, I mean, I 
think more and more folks are 

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starting to call it like one of 
the worst policy mistakes in 

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century effectively. 
Yeah, I mean, definitely not. 

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I mean, I think we called it on 
the show even at the time like 

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it's I think, I think the the 
tariff stuff, the way it was 

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done is maybe not how I have 
done it. 

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But, and again, I just don't 
I've I've read some commentary 

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more recently which has been 
like, oh, you know, it was meant

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to. 
This is now just become like a 

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China fight. 
And I, I actually thought that 

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that from the start was kind of 
what Trump would do. 

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But but he's also just kind of 
even the comments yesterday and 

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then he saw it was like 
everyone's kissing my ass to do 

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a deal. 
Like it's not great diplomacy. 

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At the same time, I would say 
like if he was also if he had 

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like a lot of friends on his 
side at this stage, I think, I 

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think his position will be 
stronger. 

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But what I think people are 
reading through is that maybe 

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this is hurting US. 
Dollar power and the US is 

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obviously the strongest country 
in the world and all that. 

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But like part of the commentary 
around the rates going wider is 

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that like people are a little 
bit more like, well, maybe 

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people will run into the hands 
of China and something like this

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if this is kind of how your 
friends kind of get treated. 

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So I think if I was in the 
administration right now, I 

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would work out how your friends 
are and do deals with them. 

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Like it's a very simple strategy
for me right now, right? 

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If it's if this is about China, 
make it about China I. 

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Think there there is some sign 
that they're going to do, that's

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what they might do. 
Yeah, I I think that would be 

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the smartest move. 
So we will see. 

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I mean, Bessent, I think it's 
taking more of a leadership 

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role. 
He's he's driving the 

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negotiations. 
I think it's clear that there 

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are some negotiations happening.
Trump's lack of diplomacy, not 

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not the best, right? 
Like if we're going into a trade

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war in China, who has perhaps 
even, you could argue an upper 

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hand. 
We probably want some allies and

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and not just to piss everyone 
off. 

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That's what I mean. 
I don't even think you can't. 

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It's not like you don't have to 
be a strong man. 

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It's just that I think it's 
gotten to the point where it's 

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like. 
You could be strong to demand, 

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yeah, that's all like. 
Yeah. 

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And I think that's like, you 
know, Europeans, although 

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they're weak, they might not 
respond well to that. 

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And I think some of the other 
countries might not either. 

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So it like, as I said, like 
domestic politics is important 

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for for politicians from those 
countries too. 

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Do you know? 
So if he's just going to like 

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mock people as they if they need
to make deals. 

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And then that's, and to be 
clear, some of the countries 

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have trade surpluses. 
I've said this a few times, like

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you could do with a deal with 
the UK, like that UK has a trade

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surplus, Australia has a trade 
surplus for the US. 

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Like you should just do a deal 
and then and then it's like, OK,

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well, now we've kind of started 
to guess who our friends are. 

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One thing that's becoming less 
of a guess is like the recession

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odds. 
I think Jamie Dimon said it's 

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favored at this point. 
Polymarkets got it favored 65% 

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US recession in 2025 and that 
means negative GDP two quarters 

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in a row. 
So a worse Q2 certainly seems 

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like it, it is a pretty much a 
reality at this point because 

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even the this, the negotiations 
that we're talking about as a 

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positive case are still going to
take months to play out. 

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Like we're talking about April, 
May, June. 

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I think the best thing says much
like this isn't going to be done

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next week. 
Yeah, yeah, this is a lot. 

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That's what I was trying to say 
before. 

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Like these deals can take 
months. 

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Like trade deals are some of the
most difficult deals possibly to

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do because they often involve 
agricultural bodies and 

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industrial bodies also to agree 
in unions. 

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And it's like they can be 
really, really long. 

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Like WHO deals or just general 
trade deals between like NAFTA 

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took years. 
Any trade deal can take a long 

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time. 
So if it's, if it's like, hey, 

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we, we were a low tariffs for a 
trade deal, those things can 

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take months just even for 
individual countries. 

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So, but, but I think that's why 
I was trying to say like with 

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the UK and Australia, you can 
just drop it. 

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Like they've got, they've got 
trade surplus with you. 

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You know, they're, they, they 
import more than you, you do. 

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So there's no need to do. 
Some wins. 

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Let's start checking off some of
the names in the 70 country 

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list. 
Yeah, Logan, I see you're 

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nodding. 
Want to want to give you a 

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chance to jump in on the 
conversation. 

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This reactions to how this is 
all played out slash escalated. 

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Yeah, yeah, not too much 
different to add, unfortunately,

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from the conversations we've had
over the course of the last 

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week, Mando said. 
It feels like they're winging 

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it. 
That's kind of where I'm at. 

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The headlines seem to contradict
themselves. 

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Often times the commentary 
contradicts itself. 

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Some of the theses that we 
initially heard, right, like, 

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hey, we want to get the 10 year 
down. 

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Like maybe it's too early to say
invalidated, but it's not 

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working right now. 
If that was actually the thing 

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we're looking to do. 
It's just, I don't know, it's 

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tough. 
It's tough to be in this 

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position and really say too 
much. 

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And it's difficult and painful 
to sit by as someone you know, 

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who of course alongside the rest
of you is losing money is 

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uncertain. 
So difficult time. 

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The the comment from Besant this
morning kind of irked me more so

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than maybe any of the others. 
I just throw Trump's out because

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whatever, they're all 
ridiculous. 

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But like the Main Street versus 
Wall Street thing, it just, it, 

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it seems so tone deaf. 
Like at least from what I'm 

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reading. 
I just saw a like a Minneapolis 

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Tribune article about how small 
business just shut down because 

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they're not going to, they can't
pay the tariffs. 

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That's Main Street right there 
you're talking about. 

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I'm seeing lots and lots of 
those stories. 

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And Ackman tweeted about some 
coffee company, right? 

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Same sort of thing. 
Where is Main Street winning if 

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the stock market's going down 
tremendously and the cost of 

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goods is going up tremendously? 
I don't know so. 

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Yeah, felt a little tone deaf 
and he he had been better than 

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that. 
So that was a slip up. 

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If they're going to keep going 
that route, like, OK, tell us 

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more. 
And like a tax cut isn't going 

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to help that either, right? 
So it's unclear exactly what the

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solution is other than trying to
get these trade deals or 

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Ackman's idea of 90 day 
postponement to at least buy 

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these businesses some time. 
You know, I don't know if it 

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solves the issue or not. 
Logie, you're somewhat active 

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trader. 
Are are are you looking at any 

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DCA's? 
Does anything look attractive to

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you at any of these levels? 
I'm just buying, I'm just buying

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Bitcoin weekly. 
I'm nothing like crazy, you 

449
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,960
know, like I'm, I'm not throwing
like heavy, heavy stacks at it, 

450
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,000
but just continue to dollar cost
average like I've done for a 

451
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,800
really, really long time. 
It feels like the most 

452
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,280
comfortable thing. 
And as Mando noted, you know, 

453
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:25,600
I'm an even worse predictor of, 
you know, 24 hours a week. 

454
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,560
And no, it's not my thing. 
It's not going to be my strong 

455
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,720
suit. 
So I'm just going to, I'm going 

456
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,960
to add cash to what I feel is 
the best long term bet here. 

457
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,400
And to me that's, you know, 
quite obviously Bitcoin, not 

458
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,040
financial advice, but you know, 
that's what, that's what I'm 

459
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,920
buying. 
That seems a decent strategy. 

460
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,880
Hype. 
I got to say that hype is 

461
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,640
strong. 
It's the top all mover today. 

462
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,040
We had a fairly, I had a bit of 
a deeper conversation with OSF 

463
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,400
about it yesterday. 
He shared his thoughts. 

464
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,000
He leans a little bit more 
bearish on hype specifically, 

465
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,000
but it's now back. 
So it hit that $10 level. 

466
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,760
I think it went into the nines. 
Yeah, like on Sunday night. 

467
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:13,640
Now back at that's the way at 
the level of the exploit. 

468
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,320
So it's back to 13. 
So this is an interesting one. 

469
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,000
I have not pulled the trigger 
back in yet, but it is clearly 

470
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,040
showing some strength here. 
We talk about far coin everyday.

471
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,120
I don't know that we need to 
really go deep into it. 

472
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,200
Today it's a 576,000,000, which 
is just wild. 

473
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,040
Again, I don't know if you saw 
this while you were away from 

474
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:41,760
the screens, but basically 
amidst the the sky falling 

475
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,000
crypto sell off Sunday night, 
Black Monday turn around 

476
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,680
Tuesday, then the bond markets 
breaking last night. 

477
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,600
This this this token is holding 
incredibly strong. 

478
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,040
Really never went below 500. 
Yeah, yeah. 

479
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,680
To me, this is a little bit of 
that second leg of its potential

480
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,200
narrative. 
Everything else is complete 

481
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,080
garbage. 
Then he got kind of fartcoin, 

482
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,720
you know, like it's like 
everything, nothing matters. 

483
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,440
Fartcoin Like that's a. 
Little bit of the financial 

484
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,760
nihilism. 
Yeah. 

485
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,960
Take there. 
I do think that is kind of a 

486
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,440
part of it like if the Sky's 
falling all of these, all the 

487
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,080
good tokens are going down, why 
not just throw it in a fur coin?

488
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,640
I mean, ETH has been ETH was at 
1390 yesterday. 

489
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:40,840
That was the 13 handle was was 
tough to see. 

490
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,520
Is there is there a price or 
you're thinking about switching 

491
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,720
that DCA over from from Bitcoin 
into ETH? 

492
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,760
It's been that price for a while
it feels like and I've just 

493
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,960
never done it. 
Thankfully all these prices to 

494
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,920
me for Etherium are, are sort of
jarring. 

495
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,040
You know, I don't have a the 
bulk of my crypto experience, 

496
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,080
although I did participate a 
little bit in 2017, 2018 and 

497
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,120
stuff. 
The bulk of it comes pre 20, you

498
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,720
know, 2020-2021. 
And so my anchoring for price 

499
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,040
points for Ethereum, there's not
much of A history in context for

500
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,320
me below like $1500, you know 
what I mean? 

501
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,120
So all this stuff is quite 
jarring. 

502
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:34,000
I still just it is the rails for
so much stuff, you know, I mean,

503
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,320
if, if things really play out 
the way that I think a lot of 

504
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,600
people want it to play out in 
crypto, which is tons of 

505
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,400
adoption, millions and you know,
maybe billions of people using 

506
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,280
crypto like Etherium almost has 
to play a role in that. 

507
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,360
It feels like, feels like it. 
I'm not suggesting it really 

508
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,720
will, but it it does. 
It's difficult for me to see a 

509
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,840
world in which there are 
billions of users participating 

510
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,520
in crypto and Etherium is not 
one of those like key 

511
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,640
contributors. 
But of course that doesn't mean 

512
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,840
that it the price has to go up 
so. 

513
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,320
I guess it, it is a tough one. 
I, I am aligned with you 

514
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,520
conceptually. 
I just like if crypto wins, 

515
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,080
Ethereum wins, right? 
I think it's, it's a, it's in 

516
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,240
right after Bitcoin, it's the 
next part of the conversation. 

517
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,240
And from a utility standpoint, 
it enables more, right? 

518
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,760
But my God, it's a 1490. 
Like this is this is barely 

519
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,280
above the levels When I started 
buying in December 2020, I got 

520
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,440
in around 1000 to 1200. 
And I mean, it was 4000, 

521
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,080
December 16th, 2024. 
Like that is jarring. 

522
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,840
It's down from 4000 to 1400. 
I mean, there are there are shit

523
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,120
coins down less than that in in 
that time frame. 

524
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,720
So I don't I don't want I don't 
mean to harp on this. 

525
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,960
Everyone knows ETH is down bad 
there. 

526
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,960
There has to be a level where 
this flips to a buy. 

527
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:14,600
I don't think it's going to 0. 
Let's move on. 

528
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,280
I think there is another hot 
token Logie. 

529
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,680
We were trying a little bit 
about this before the show saw a

530
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:27,920
tweet from D Gen. apes may know 
him from he's a bit of a trader 

531
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,280
he's deep in fantasy top. 
He was talking about this prompt

532
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:37,600
token. 
It apparently prompt is this is 

533
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,920
the wayfinder team token is it 
is trading on a pre market 

534
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,720
somewhere. 
I don't know that this has been 

535
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,320
broadcasted very widely. 
Why don't you tell us a little 

536
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,480
bit about what you had a chance 
to to look into here? 

537
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,120
Yeah. 
So what you're seeing if if 

538
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,840
you're taking a look at the 
screen, you see the DJNA tweets 

539
00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:01,200
he points to, they point to a 
pre market from Mexi which does 

540
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,520
not have a ton of volume. 
Yeah, about $45,000 worth of 24 

541
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,960
hour volume. 
But it's, you know, similar in 

542
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,120
nature to the pre markets we've 
seen from Wales app and and 

543
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,720
others previously. 
So not a ton of liquidity, not a

544
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,280
ton of movement, but there is a 
price point at which we can at 

545
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,720
least start to discuss for 
prompt and based on what we know

546
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,160
from the OK X announcement as 
well, a 1 billion total token 

547
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,400
supply. 
So you see $0.65 was the time of

548
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,560
his tweet, I believe before the 
show. 

549
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,840
Tyler, I sent it to you. 
Might have been closer to 8 

550
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,120
cents. 
Sorry, not $0.65. 

551
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,160
Six cents. 
Yeah, 6 1/2 cents. 

552
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,000
It was closer to 8 cents when I 
sent it to you, which would be 

553
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,000
about an $80 million FDV if I'm 
doing that math right. 

554
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,880
Which of course, based on our 
conversations and disclaimer at,

555
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,040
you know, I'm a prime casher and
I'm expecting to have some sort 

556
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,760
of AirDrop here. 
Feels low or lower than maybe I 

557
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:01,640
was hoping or envisioning, but 
we'll have to, we'll have to 

558
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,760
wait and see what the the market
truly brings us unfortunately. 

559
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,520
And I don't think Kalos and you 
know, based on that conversation

560
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,320
we had last week, which we 
encourage people to watch to get

561
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,960
a better sense of what this 
actually is, they just seem like

562
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,520
builders, man. 
They, you know, they're just 

563
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,440
like, this is revolutionary. 
This is going to be impactful. 

564
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,120
We don't really give a shit 
about the market type thing. 

565
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,240
It kind of felt like Garga ape 
esque in that way to me, which 

566
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,800
which I like, I like to hear. 
It's just it is rather 

567
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,560
unfortunate that there were very
much pockets of time in which 

568
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,320
this could have flown out, you 
know? 

569
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,200
Here's. 
The thing kind of at the mercy 

570
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,640
of others. 
If, if it opens at $70 million 

571
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:50,080
FTVI, I'm, I'm buying probably a
lot like this seems to be the 

572
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,440
best crypto AI product that 
we've had today. 

573
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,520
And if, if it, if the best 
crypto AI product we have to 

574
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,000
date at 70 million is a bad 
trade, then I'm just going to 

575
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,600
have to eat that. 
And Logan OSF actually he pulled

576
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,600
me up a little bit. 
We talked about the AI trade for

577
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,120
about 10-15 minutes. 
So he he's been DC ING back in 

578
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,080
pretty much with the core thesis
that AI is is the the of course,

579
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,159
like the biggest theme in the 
world. 

580
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,719
It's coming back like there's 
going to be another crypto AI 

581
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,400
meta. 
It's just a matter of trying to 

582
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,840
predict who the winners are 
going to be. 

583
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,560
And he's got his chips in on 
AI16. 

584
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,760
ZI think putting your chips on 
wave Finder and prompt it's fine

585
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,639
I guess better than fine. 
I mean I think it would be one 

586
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,639
of my top picks. 
But at the same time I guess you

587
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,120
can make an argument that if 
prompt is so good, why isn't 

588
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,600
prime trading higher? 
So prime at 100 million market 

589
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,239
cap 350 million FTV. 
Like it can can prompt flip 

590
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,440
prime. 
Why wouldn't it? 

591
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,880
I I don't. 
It's difficult for me to see a 

592
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:04,440
world where it doesn't. 
That's a little shocking to me. 

593
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,320
Of course, you know, this is the
the way that I am Hope, you 

594
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,040
know, hopefully earning prompt 
is via the cashing of Prime, you

595
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,480
know, so I've been buying and or
had prime Jesus in the $25.00 

596
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,600
range. 
Feels bad to kind of look at 

597
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:26,480
this after that. 
Yeah, yeah, I don't stuff I to 

598
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,960
be, you know, quite transparent.
I've not looked at the price of 

599
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,200
Arc AI16Z and I don't even know 
what are those at right now. 

600
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,080
Are you sure you want to know? 
Yeah, sure, I don't own them so 

601
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,840
it won't feel quite as bad. 
So there's four tokens over 100 

602
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,480
million. 
Now. 

603
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,480
Alchemy is a very volatile one. 
It kind of it flipped, like some

604
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,920
days it'll be up 3040%, it'll be
down 50%, other days it's now 

605
00:35:51,920 --> 00:36:00,520
#5A IXPT is 6 at 61 million. 
ARC is oh boy, 30. 

606
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,760
Jesus. 
I was buying that at 400 million

607
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,280
when we thought we were starting
to turn around after the the 

608
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,160
first dips post Trump coin 
because it seemed like it was 

609
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,800
going to be a winner. 
Unfortunately it has not been a 

610
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:23,520
winner over the last few months,
but to me it was put four coin 

611
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,200
aside because it also doesn't 
really belong on the list at 

612
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,200
this point. 
I think it could be the number 

613
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,080
one. 
I think prompt could be the 

614
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,280
number one on this list. 
I, I definitely think it could 

615
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,600
be I'm, I'm certainly rooting 
for that. 

616
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,960
Even what we've seen in just 
the, the small samples of early 

617
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,640
access, right? 
Whether you saw it on the stream

618
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,200
here or you've been following 
their Twitter account to see 

619
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:52,400
those like in terms of power and
advancement and realness, I 

620
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,200
don't know what the best way to 
characterize it is, really. 

621
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:01,800
But like, this is something a 
bit different than AI16Z, you 

622
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,760
know, and that's not to knock 
any of those, but it's, it's 

623
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,320
different than those things. 
And it's certainly different 

624
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,280
from many of the social agents, 
which is what, you know, Adrian 

625
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,720
had called them on the stream we
had. 

626
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,200
It's certainly different from 
many of the social agents we saw

627
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,520
that were just replying to 
Twitter, you know, 0 bar things 

628
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,520
like that were just replying to 
tweets. 

629
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,320
So it would it would not shock 
me to see it really actually 

630
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,280
come out of 70 million. 
It would be well below my 

631
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,560
initial expectations. 
But just this market, I mean, 

632
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,400
come on, man, it's, it's it's 
tough like what, what are you 

633
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,720
going to do when stocks are 
falling like 1520% over the 

634
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:44,960
course of a couple days or even 
or more like it doesn't, you 

635
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,600
know, the brand new AI token 
deserve to be more than 70 

636
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,400
million, like maybe not whether 
that you know, whether that's 

637
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,400
fair or not. 
So. 

638
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,280
I mean, if you're a believer, 
that could be the best launch 

639
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,560
scenario. 
Everyone wants like the big 

640
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,360
AirDrop, right? 
But I feel like that also 

641
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,680
changes your mindset like when a
token opens up high and you get 

642
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,520
a big AirDrop, you're 
incentivized to sell and then 

643
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,800
you're almost kind of rooting 
for it to go down because you 

644
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,720
want your cell to have been 
decision and you're and you're a

645
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:21,560
bit conflicted versus the tokens
that come out lower. 

646
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,200
And then everyone gets to rally 
around it as it continues to to 

647
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,440
March up. 
To. 

648
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,040
A more true value and more of 
the true values of any of these 

649
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,320
things. 
It, it is a tricky launch market

650
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,440
for sure. 
But, but I, I think this, I 

651
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,840
don't know that this is a team 
is going to try, try to time it 

652
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,840
right. 
Like clearly if that's all they 

653
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,920
cared about, they would have 
forced the launch back into the 

654
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,080
bubble and it probably would 
have gone straight to 1,000,000.

655
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,280
You would, yeah. 
You wouldn't have asked, you 

656
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,800
know, to go way, way back here. 
They asked the community when 

657
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,200
the community wanted to launch 
the token when the TGS there, 

658
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,280
there's a, there's a Dow vote 
for this. 

659
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,720
And unfortunately, what they had
to extend a week or two to make 

660
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:07,000
sure things were right, which, 
you know, stinks 'cause it 

661
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,960
didn't uphold the, the vote, but
also to ensures that there was 

662
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,760
no complete catastrophe. 
So I'm, I'm OK with that as 

663
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,920
someone who's expecting, you 
know, some level of AirDrop 

664
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,920
here, but they put it in the 
community's hands. 

665
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,560
This wasn't a, you know, we're 
going to rush this thing out for

666
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,320
ourselves to enrich ourselves 
or, or anything like that. 

667
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,960
So. 
Yeah, well, we'll certainly see 

668
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,760
what also caught my interest in 
that DJ Nate tweet. 

669
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,560
I'm not going to go back to it, 
he said. 

670
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,840
We'll find out tomorrow. 
So I don't know anything about 

671
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,720
tge coming tomorrow, folks. 
I don't believe that has been 

672
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,120
announced in any capacity, but 
that would be a fun Thursday 

673
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,440
surprise. 
Well, the settlement for the pre

674
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,680
market on Mexi says something 
like yes, April 10th and then I 

675
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,200
I don't know, I don't want to 
say confidently because I've X 

676
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,520
out of the OK X thing. 
There was an announcement of 

677
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,480
course of this will trade on OK 
X. 

678
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,760
That was retweet. 
Yeah, right there. 

679
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,920
I don't want to say confidently 
that it said tomorrow but I 

680
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,800
believe like the trading starts 
soon ish. 

681
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,560
As well. 
So that's A at least a good 

682
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,640
place to start if you wanted to 
get some more information. 

683
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,160
We know it's soon, we know it's 
sometime in the next 7 days. 

684
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:25,480
So tomorrow very possible. 
We will certainly be looking for

685
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,560
it. 
I want to go around the horn. 

686
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,720
Another couple quick stories on 
things that could be a buy along

687
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,440
this. 
So you may have missed this 

688
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,320
Logie or maybe you caught up 
Blockbuster acquisition 

689
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,200
yesterday, Ripple acquired 
Hidden Rd. for $1.25 billion. 

690
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,120
Hidden Rd. one of the the bigger
institutional payment clearing 

691
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,160
houses, they clear $3 trillion a
year in transactions. 

692
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,760
So Ripple kind of becoming a 
force here. 

693
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,240
And that inspired Standard 
Chartered to raise their price 

694
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,800
targets. 
So they're now projecting the 

695
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,360
XRP could jump 200% by the end 
of this year with a $12.50 price

696
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,600
target by by 2028. 
That is a 6X more. 

697
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,600
It's like $1.75. 
It's probably closer to like an 

698
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,600
8X from here. 
This is dollar 80. 

699
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:17,200
Curious, any reactions or has 
buying ripple XRP actually ever 

700
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,880
crossed your mind? 
And second part, should it be on

701
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,760
your mind? 
It's crossed my mind from time 

702
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,000
to time and but not, you know, 
not for any real like 

703
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,680
fundamental reasons, you know, 
more so like narrative reasons, 

704
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,640
bull market reasons, those types
of things. 

705
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,280
I think this is, I think it's 
interesting mainly because if 

706
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,560
you do start to see a narrative 
and sentiment shift and you do 

707
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,840
get the people on Main Street, 
you get the, you know, the more 

708
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:53,040
casual crypto investor feeling 
like crypto could go up soon, 

709
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,760
which they probably don't feel 
right now. 

710
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,600
Ripples, one of the best bets in
those instances, right? 

711
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,720
Those scenarios like it it goes 
up when people are feeling 

712
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,280
really, really bullish and 
crypto starts to gain more 

713
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,480
attention overall. 
That's where it's been like a a 

714
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,640
really strong. 
It's not like a super strong 

715
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,360
thesis or anything, right? 
It's like largely anecdotal that

716
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,040
I'm, you know, providing 
evidence for. 

717
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:21,080
But why not? 
I, I'd think about it, yeah, I, 

718
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,880
I, but otherwise. 
Discrete crypto token then then 

719
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:24,920
ripple. 
I don't think so. 

720
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,520
That's that's what I mean. 
Like if Ripple is. 

721
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,240
Nice, right? 
Yeah, if, if, if people are 

722
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:36,600
starting to feel like this is 
going to happen, there's going 

723
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,560
to be, you know, I don't know, 
crypto advancement. 

724
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,000
I don't even know what the right
way to say it is because it 

725
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,200
doesn't feel like it's coming. 
That's, that's the second part 

726
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,800
here where it's just one of the 
reasons I'm not, I'm not too 

727
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,600
interested in buying anytime 
soon is like the turn around and

728
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,760
the sentiment shift that I would
think precedes a ripple rush 

729
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,840
upwards. 
Doesn't feel like it's coming 

730
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,000
anytime soon. 
That's that's what I'm I'm 

731
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,440
getting at I guess. 
That's fair. 

732
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,160
And there's probably a few other
assets that might run first. 

733
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,600
What I will say is I feel like, 
and I I've never held Ripple or 

734
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,880
traded it. 
I think there's the criticism 

735
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,440
that was more fluff. 
There wasn't a whole lot behind 

736
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,680
it. 
Now there is though. 

737
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,840
It's like, it's like I said this
yesterday. 

738
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,960
It's almost like becoming to 
fake it till you make it play. 

739
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,240
And if they have enough capital 
to to acquire these actual 

740
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:28,120
powerhouses, you know, maybe the
fundamentals actually start to 

741
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,800
be there. 
So that's going to be an 

742
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,480
interesting one to watch. 
And the other one is Coinbase. 

743
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,400
Coinbase is by Cantor 
Fitzgerald, Howard Lutnick. 

744
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,560
They're calling Coinbase stock 
overweight, but they actually 

745
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,080
the headline might be 
interpreted the wrong way. 

746
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:50,760
They're calling it a buy and 
they pointed to the relationship

747
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,160
with Circle and Basses out 
performance as some of the 

748
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,480
drivers curiously. 
Any quick reactions to that? 

749
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,160
If Coinbase feels like a buy 
here or not? 

750
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:08,160
Yeah, I love Coinbase, the 
brand. 

751
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,200
I'm a I'm a user. 
I know it gets a lot of shit for

752
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,440
more active on from. 
Sorry, more active on chain 

753
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,040
participants, but I think this 
is one of the most important, if

754
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,480
not the most important brand for
adoption and to act as an 

755
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,000
ambassador for crypto in its 
best interests, not only as an 

756
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,400
ecosystem, but the best 
instruments of its participants 

757
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,960
as well. 
So I'm I really like Coinbase, 

758
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,120
of course, you know, I can't 
comment too much on the 

759
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,200
financial stuff just because I 
don't know them. 

760
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,040
So I would defer to the 
analysts, of course, but by all 

761
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,960
means the innovations required 
to advance alongside crypto, 

762
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,640
create your own L2 stable coins,
all that stuff. 

763
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,000
They've been every step of the 
way. 

764
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,040
They've been right there. 
So I would not bet against 

765
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,600
Coinbase if you believe in a 
future in crypto. 

766
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,400
And I think many of us here, we 
wouldn't be here otherwise, 

767
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,560
right? 
So I'm, I'm, I'm totally on 

768
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,280
board with something like this. 
It's an interesting 1. 

769
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,360
I feel like in my opinion 
changes almost by the week, by 

770
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,200
the month. 
Like one of the bull cases that 

771
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,600
Kenneth Fitzgerald laid out is 
that relationship with Circle 

772
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,120
and the large fees they get. 
But we also just saw Circle 

773
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,320
delay their IP OS. 
Yeah. 

774
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:28,240
In reaction to the FUD they 
received when everyone found out

775
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,680
that that Coinbase makes more 
fees than they do. 

776
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,960
So like that, that fees switch 
might or that fee revenue could 

777
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,360
be going elsewhere. 
I think the really difficult 

778
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,880
part about crypto stocks is they
just feel like too much. 

779
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:45,920
They feel too much like proxies 
to crypto and you know, and, and

780
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,920
so like, why not just buy 
Bitcoin? 

781
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,960
Why not just buy whatever you 
know, And I, I don't have a 

782
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,640
great argument for, I don't, I 
don't know what the best 

783
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,680
argument is to dissuade somebody
from like, you know, of course 

784
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,520
there's opportunity cost 
involved when you're buying 

785
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,720
Coinbase versus buying something
else, anything else, whether it 

786
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:06,920
be crypto or not. 
So I'm not sure what to suggest 

787
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,160
to someone if they were looking 
to have that argument answered. 

788
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,520
That would be my, yeah, my loan 
issue here. 

789
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:19,600
Yeah, As I'm looking at this, 
it's kind of a question like, so

790
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,640
Coinbase is basically off 50% 
off, off high. 

791
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,240
So it hit 300, it's at 150 right
now. 

792
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,880
Do you think it has a better 
chance to double and get back to

793
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,160
all time high or Bitcoin? 
It's like an interesting. 

794
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:38,200
It is trade right there. 
I have no reason, I don't have 

795
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,600
any really strong reason to 
suggest this, but it feels like 

796
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,840
it would be easier for Coinbase.
I don't know why. 

797
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,800
Maybe even just because the it's
been like 100. 

798
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,400
Yeah, it's been there. 
And also like 150 K Bitcoin just

799
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,240
feels yeah, never been there. 
I mean, it just doesn't feel 

800
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:57,200
like it's possible. 
It's hard to lay off the past. 

801
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,520
You know what I mean? 
Right now on April 9th amidst 

802
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,520
the the tariff trade, trade war,
markets melting down, unless 

803
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,840
Bitcoin really pulls through 
that digital gold narrative, 

804
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,880
which we haven't seen yet. 
And maybe we'll have to say that

805
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,200
I know our our buddy Bob Lucas 
had some comments. 

806
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,480
We meant to save those for 
tomorrow. 

807
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,400
It's a longer conversation. 
I did want to catch you up on 

808
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,800
one big storyline that that's 
taking place while you've been 

809
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,440
gone is we are bringing extinct 
back from the dead. 

810
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:30,720
So I'm not sure if if you're 
aware of this, but the 

811
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:37,920
direwolves are returning, but 
also Biosciences is leading the 

812
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,880
charge on this and they are 
taking extinct breeds back. 

813
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:47,720
And I don't know that the full 
vision for this if it's just 

814
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:53,680
going to be like museums or like
zoo, museum, hybrid or exactly 

815
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,080
what their plans are. 
Of course, the meme corners ran 

816
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,320
with this, which is a part of 
the story here. 

817
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,680
But Romulus and Remus first 
direwolves in 10,000 years. 

818
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,520
Any quick reactions? 
I think this is really cool that

819
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,960
this is an option. 
There's so many second order 

820
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,160
effects I don't even know. 
And, you know, having done this 

821
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,800
now in an administration that 
like, you know, hands off, no 

822
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,360
rules type thing, who the hell 
knows, You know, what may come 

823
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,280
next. 
I saw a lot of like Jurassic 

824
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,760
Park memes alongside this. 
It's non 0. 

825
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,640
It is non 0 which is a little 
scary but I guess if I had to 

826
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,880
choose, like if I had to choose 
Jurassic Park versus like major 

827
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,840
war with China, which also, you 
know, who the hell knows, I 

828
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,720
think I'd probably just pick 
Jurassic Park. 

829
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:45,560
I'm picking Jurassic Park 10 
times out of turn. 

830
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,600
Those are the options. 
All right, folks, we, we went 

831
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,080
around the horn. 
We've covered most of the 

832
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,960
topics. 
We've got one more more special 

833
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,080
topic here to get into before we
end the show. 

834
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,760
Sadly, Mando had to run, so he 
won't be here. 

835
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,120
He'll have to catch us up once 
this all becomes a little bit 

836
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,520
more official. 
But here at Foam Ware, we have a

837
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:33,800
new show partner announcement. 
Do you Sam's? 

838
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,280
That's two days in a row now. 
I've been on this show, guys. 

839
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,480
I've start making it a normal, a
normal thing when people are 

840
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,040
out. 
So yes, we do have a new show 

841
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,320
partner. 
Unfortunately, Mando can't be 

842
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,640
here to announce it. 
He's had to, He's the number 

843
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:48,960
one. 
He's had to be called to the 

844
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,440
ranks. 
So he's going out there and 

845
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,800
working away. 
But we want to say a massive 

846
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,440
thank you to Robert, who have 
been incredible partner for the 

847
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,720
last few years. 
They've been amazing, but we 

848
00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:02,120
will be moving over to yeet now.
You have seen there has been no 

849
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,520
code the last few days just 
because there's no actually the 

850
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,040
meme no for no code. 
No, that's not the case. 

851
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,480
We still do the codes. 
We still do the stuff when for 

852
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,880
Oaks away, Don't worry. 
We're going to be changing the 

853
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,280
system. 
We're changing the sponsor, 

854
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,880
we're changing the system. 
There won't be a code going 

855
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,480
forward anymore. 
We're not going to be going with

856
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,680
that system. 
Instead, you will need to sign 

857
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,960
up to YEET using the referral 
code, Formal hour. 

858
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,600
Once you go on to YEET and you 
use a profile and you need to do

859
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,400
it within 24 hours, very 
important. 

860
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,960
You add formal hour as a 
referral code and you will be in

861
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,840
the system. 
That means every single day when

862
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,320
we do the spins, we're doing 
1000 sort of a spin anymore, 

863
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,640
excuse me, We're going to be 
playing custom games where 

864
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,880
people could win a minimum of 
1000 up to quite a lot of money.

865
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,760
So there'll be 5 across the 
week, Monday to Friday, and 

866
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,560
we'll be doing all these 
different games with people 

867
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,280
getting them involved. 
You'll still have to come up on 

868
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,920
stage. 
That's how you claim the prize. 

869
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,480
You need to be on stage to do 
it. 

870
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,840
So we're still going to continue
this, but we will be picking 

871
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,000
winners from those that have the
referral code that we can see in

872
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,480
the back on yet. 
That's already linked to formal 

873
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,560
hour. 
We're doing a spinner as normal 

874
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,360
and it will go down from there. 
I can see people saying there's 

875
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,920
a waiting list and various other
things. 

876
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,120
Yes, it's not live yet, but 
we're just making you all very 

877
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,440
aware that it will be soon. 
When that is, keep an eye on the

878
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,040
Twitter, keep an eye on Mando, 
watch all that and make sure 

879
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,800
that you use the referral link 
formal hour. 

880
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,800
From there, that is where we'll 
be picking the winners to bring 

881
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,640
them up on stage. 
So you won't have to put in 

882
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,200
codes, you won't have to be 
doing retweets. 

883
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,680
You don't have to do all this. 
There will just be across Monday

884
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,080
to Friday 1 picked through a 
normal raffle type system. 

885
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,440
Pick them in. 
You still have to be on the 

886
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:42,560
space. 
It's really important. 

887
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,160
If you're not on the space, you 
can't come up. 

888
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,920
You can't claim your prize, 
bring you up, do this whatever 

889
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,560
game we do from there and see 
how much money you win. 

890
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,400
It's really as simple as that. 
But yeah, new, new sponsor, New 

891
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,360
Times. 
I suppose for the first week, 

892
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,800
we'll get used to how it's going
to be going. 

893
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,520
We, we took a while to get used 
to our spins on formal hour. 

894
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,960
Yeah, excuse me, not formal hour
with with Robert. 

895
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,920
It took a while to get there, 
but we did get there in the end.

896
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,880
I'm sure this will be the same 
and I'm sure it'll be pretty 

897
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,720
damn fun. 
I've tested the website myself 

898
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:11,760
and it's absolutely fantastic. 
The the custom games are 

899
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,040
interesting and if we'll we'll 
play the trailer again at the 

900
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,000
end. 
You can have a look at some of 

901
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,200
the the different custom games 
that you have on there. 

902
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,360
We'll be rotating them day in 
day out. 

903
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,360
So some people will play one 
game one day, some people will 

904
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,800
play a game another. 
We'll have a minimum win amount 

905
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,080
that people will be able to take
away at the end of it, even if 

906
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,600
they don't win big. 
We'll have a minimum booby 

907
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,360
prize, if you will, whatever 
that is, 255 hundred, I don't 

908
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,960
know. 
But yeah, there's there's some, 

909
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,440
there's going to be some odds to
win some serious cash on the 

910
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,640
line here. 
Nice. 

911
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:45,640
Well that is very exciting. 
So I'm definitely very 

912
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,040
interested to see all these new 
games. 

913
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,880
I've gotten a glimpse of a few. 
There's some good ones out 

914
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,320
there. 
So I think I think our listeners

915
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,440
and audience are going to love 
it. 

916
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,400
Do want to thank Robit, 
incredible partner and they've 

917
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,680
been our our show partner since 
I joined the show but last May. 

918
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,120
So very grateful for them. 
I'm also very excited for this 

919
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,640
new partnership with you. 
So this is going to be a fun one

920
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,800
for sure. 
And since do we know when we're 

921
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,760
officially kicking this off? 
We're gonna be officially 

922
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,240
kicking this out of shirt off 
from today, right? 

923
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:21,480
But when the the actual spins or
whatever, we keep saying spins. 

924
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,720
It's not spins, but you know 
what I mean. 

925
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,920
The prizes and the giveaways 
will start from Monday keeping 

926
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,480
eye on the Twitter and keeping 
eye on the formal hour Twitter 

927
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,040
for the video going live. 
Once they are live, you know 

928
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,200
that it's live. 
Go sign up using that referral 

929
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,920
code. 
Formal is super important. 

930
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,400
That's the key to entering now. 
You don't need to be putting 

931
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,760
codes and you don't need to be 
doing retweets everyday. 

932
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,160
You need to be going to you need
to be signing up with formal 

933
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,760
hour. 
That needs to be your, you know 

934
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,000
in the referral codes in there. 
You need to put that in. 

935
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,680
You only get to put one in. 
You only get to do it once 

936
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,520
within 24 hours of making 
account, make the account, punch

937
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,520
that in and then you're going to
be in the in the drawer every 

938
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:02,840
single time. 
But you just need to be 

939
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,360
listening to the show, 
obviously, because if we if we 

940
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,400
do your name and you're not 
there, you're not coming up. 

941
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,880
Got it. 
Now you know folks. 

942
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,360
So starting next Monday, so new 
games on the show. 

943
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,480
So very exciting, Sims, thank 
you for that overview. 

944
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,520
And we'll play the video again 
as we exit. 

945
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,960
That is it. 
That is going to be our show. 

946
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,840
I want to thank our listeners, 
as always, want to thank our 

947
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,440
partners. 
Thank my Co host Logan. 

948
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,320
Thanks for jumping in here live 
from Peru. 

949
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,880
We will be back tomorrow at 
10:00 AM Eastern. 

950
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,600
Until then, go make it a great 
day. 

951
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:33,600
Bye.