1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:05,000 DMDM everyone, Another beautiful day in crypto. 2 00:00:06,520 --> 00:00:10,560 Looks like we, I don't know, Looks a little bit lower again, 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,800 doesn't it? Things are not good in crypto 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:20,600 since we've left it. We missed yesterday's show, but 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,200 we are now three days in a row lower. 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,960 Looks like kind of across the board most of your favorite 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,880 coins are are lower It feel it feels like Bitcoin is now 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,920 touched just just below 60 K sorry 61 K and it's now been 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,560 rallying actually it's now back up to like 61.3 so we're 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,760 bouncing a little bit. Capo says the bottom is in says 11 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:48,040 we're looking for a rally so that this morning how are you 12 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,560 doing what have you been doing over the last 24 hours or 48 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:50,840 hours? I. 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,600 Played played golf this morning with. 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,120 Yeah, saw that. I'll I'll Robbie Douglas. 95 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,800 years old, still carries his clubs around. 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,840 What else did you do in the last 24 hours? 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,240 I started building some, doing some baby stuff. 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:17,160 OK, Built a cot. I When's the baby due? 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,920 About seven weeks, 8 weeks. Right. 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,760 He's built the cot. I actually didn't. 22 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,400 I actually, that's a lie. I didn't build the car. 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,280 I was supposed to build the car yesterday and I didn't because I 24 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,560 was fucking around on the street one or something. 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,000 You've got eight weeks, mate. I think you'll be. 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,960 I think you'll be all right. Don't leave it too late. 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:43,160 You know, you know me, I like to be early, never know in. 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,680 A week or two to spare. Tim's has already put out 29 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,400 today's. Today's partner wants us to move 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,080 very quickly onto the show. So today's partner is is quick 31 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,200 now. They're going to be coming on 32 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,280 later and of course we have our monthly sponsor fair side as 33 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,680 well. But yeah let's get into what's 34 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,400 been going on in crypto over the last 2048 hours. 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,600 Like I said, it feels like felt a slightly weaker tone. 36 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,520 We did say that after Bitcoin didn't really sustain that 37 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:13,400 bounce. It looked like it would 38 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,400 probably, I think even on the show we said it would go down to 39 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,320 kind of around 60 K and then we'd work out if it was going to 40 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,840 be another lower low or we bounce from there. 41 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,880 How you feeling? How you feeling reading the tea 42 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,640 leaves? I don't know. 43 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:27,480 I'm. I'm struggling to think why 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,400 we're not able to hold these rallies like macro feels OK. 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,760 Stocks have been OK, rates have been low, and it felt like we 46 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,400 were kind of out the woods on crypto and then we kind of just 47 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,080 got like sold back down. Like ETF flows have been quiet 48 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,440 this week, but we just have two large inflow days. 49 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,840 So I don't know, it's frustrating. 50 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,880 It's frustrating to not really see us kick on or even just like 51 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,880 hold those gains. I'm not really sure why. 52 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,680 I'm not sure what's causing it to like get sold back down. 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,720 Like, yeah, I don't know, maybe there's like, maybe people know 54 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,720 about some more like SEC FUD to come. 55 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,720 Could be something to do with that like. 56 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,560 Yeah. Is it that or is it just is it 57 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,360 just a Bitcoin pump? Is this kind of it stops and 58 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,120 that's meant everything is just been hammered. 59 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,120 It just feels as though this was all tied to Bitcoin. 60 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,840 And I saw today like search trends for Bitcoin are down 50% 61 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,760 since that since that peak around the ETF. 62 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,080 So clearly retail kind of didn't really come back in in a huge 63 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,320 amount, although we're still getting kind of I I didn't look 64 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,000 at today what what was the ETF inflow or what was the ETF flow 65 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,320 it. Looked like there's an $11 66 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,840 million inflow yesterday, but it doesn't feel like to me all the 67 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,680 data has been collected unless everyone else was a 0 because I 68 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,720 think it was only one ETF that had that inflow. 69 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,240 So yeah. Kind of feels, kind of feels 70 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,640 kind of dull, doesn't it just feels like not really much is 71 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:53,800 going on. I saw that. 72 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,720 I also saw that volumes in April were down about 44% compared to 73 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,480 March. So to me it just feels as though 74 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,000 slight deflation of of people caring about crypto. 75 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,920 And then that doesn't help because to be honest, even when 76 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,960 Bitcoin was ripping, it still felt like it was the same 100, 77 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,240 let's say 1000 people trading the same meme coins and trading 78 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,519 the same altcoins. Like it didn't really, it didn't 79 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:22,040 really feel like new users were coming in. 80 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,600 So I feel like that's what's testing it the the most at the 81 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,320 moment. It's just it's just a lack of 82 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,920 new user growth. It would be great if like one of 83 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,080 these apps like friend tech or any of the BLAST apps like 84 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,320 really picked up people coming in, even the Fantasy 1. 85 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,360 But it does just feel like we're all we're all playing like, with 86 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,760 each other, right? In many PVPPVP. 87 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,120 Yeah, but like, you go on to that, you go on to fucking 88 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,720 fantasy, right? And it's just it's with trading 89 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,000 the 50 influencers and it's the all the other 50 influencers 90 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,960 trading those influencers as well as the other thousand 91 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,440 people that turn up over every single day. 92 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,280 So it's kind of funny to see. It doesn't feel like we've gone 93 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:08,200 mainstream at all this cycle to me very, very, very little or 94 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,800 else we would have seen people like me and you coming in, right 95 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,120 if we'd gone fully mainstream. Like I just haven't seen that 96 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,640 many. Like we see I see young people 97 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,640 coming in like people are getting involved in in memes I 98 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,160 think. But I haven't seen that many 99 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,520 people coming in from from a broad range in terms of the 100 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,480 stuff that that kind of grabbed the headlines overnight. 101 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,160 Firstly it was all this stuff around Trump and Biden. 102 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,480 So few headlines there. Firstly that the Biden. 103 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,840 Well, how the House Republicans managed to pass a bill which 104 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:45,800 basically overturned the SE CS rules on custody for basically 105 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,360 tradify of Bitcoin. Biden then came out and said 106 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,240 he'd veto any any bill like this. 107 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,360 And then Trump. Trump I believe was meeting his 108 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,840 NFT holders last night and he came out and gave a few 109 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:03,160 impassioned speech speeches around crypto basically saying 110 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,840 he didn't come out like fully for it. 111 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:10,480 He said a lot of people are for it and I'm OK with it. 112 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,840 And he said, if you want someone who who is going to protect 113 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:17,720 crypto in the US, then you got to vote for Trump. 114 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:20,480 Yeah. What do you think of all this? 115 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,960 I think it's pretty mental that you could have like bought some 116 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,000 Crump NFTS or whatever and actually actually get to meet 117 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:32,960 him. Like, I thought it was one of 118 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,520 those things where it's like there's there's no way this is 119 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,040 real. I saw that Frank Diegoz was like 120 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,880 going to a dinner with Trump and that kind of stuff like that. 121 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,440 There's no way this stuff is actually real. 122 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,840 And he seems to have followed through on it. 123 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,880 The thing that I can't stop thinking about because I just 124 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,800 only care about my bags. But the only thing I can't stop 125 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,800 thinking about is is Trump doing all this stuff? 126 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,400 Is there a slight chance that he becomes like someone who, like 127 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,440 blesses crypto? To some extent that's part of 128 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,680 the elections. Because you know if he does, and 129 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:01,920 I think he's, you know, if he doesn't, he wins. 130 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,640 And he could be he could be good for a bag. 131 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,080 So it seems like he's heading the polls at the moment. 132 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,200 But yeah, I've. No, I'm curious to see if like 133 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,120 crypto plays a role in politics right now. 134 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,240 I guess for Trump, if he's heading the polls, he doesn't 135 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,720 need to take a risk with something like that. 136 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,520 At the risk of like, losing votes. 137 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,000 But don't know. Something tells me there's going 138 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,440 to be some role of crypto in this election, even if it's just 139 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,400 all the fucking political meme coins. 140 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,760 Like it just seems like it's going to be a big. 141 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,560 Part of it, yeah. I mean he has openly, he's a 142 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,200 populist, right. So I think he just goes off to 143 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:39,160 what like people want. But at the same time he has 144 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,720 compared to last. The last election I think he was 145 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,480 kind of he came out vocally against Bitcoin and then 146 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,040 obviously he's done this his NFTS 2 two seasons of NFTSI 147 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,840 think Melania's like been selling NFTS too. 148 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:57,960 So he's clearly been behind more behind crypto and obviously been 149 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,840 using it for funding right. Like I think he raised a few 150 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:04,440 $1,000,000 which sounds like he could maybe use right now. 151 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,600 Somebody, somebody sent me a rumour yesterday that he he's 152 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,640 going to release a meme coin which I thought was pretty 153 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,480 hilarious. Like Can you imagine if he did 154 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,040 his own his own pump dot fun coin? 155 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,280 Like where do you think a Trump meme coin trades do? 156 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,840 Because we have like the funny ones and we have like the 157 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,800 community LED ones like Trump. And even if Trump actually 158 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,760 launched 1. Yeah, an actual Trump coin. 159 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,240 Fucking. Hell, that would be. 160 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,320 That'd be wild, wouldn't it? That would be wild, but like. 161 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:39,039 Ten Bill. It would go wild. 162 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,840 I mean, he has Trump Media, right, Which is kind of a meme 163 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,480 stock at the moment. Yeah. 164 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:46,800 And that Where does Trump Media trade? 165 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:47,960 It's a few. It's a few. 166 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:53,400 Bill, in terms of market cap, where is it? 167 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,640 So Trump Media, There's obviously there's like, a lot. 168 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,440 Of where do you think if he launches NFT? 169 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,920 If he if he launches NF TS in 2021, where do you think that 170 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,520 floor will have gone to in like hype peak 2021 NFT bull market? 171 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Where would the Trump NFC floor floor gone to? 172 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,400 He released a lot, though. Remember, he did like 20,000. 173 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:20,640 Yeah, so maybe. I mean, how high did mutants go? 174 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,000 Using them into like the high, the top of mutants was like 30 175 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,560 odd ether I think right? 34 ETH or something. 176 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,200 That was weird. That was with ape coin baked in 177 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,760 but. Yeah, I mean, I would have, if 178 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,040 he played it right, you would have assumed into the teens, 179 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,640 right? Yeah, I think so. 180 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,600 I reckon. I reckon it could have gotten to 181 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,560 that sort of level. But then then he did dilute it 182 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:46,400 kind of straight afterwards, which I thought was very 183 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,200 hilarious. But then yeah, meme coin could 184 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,480 happen. Looks like Trump Media is is a 185 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,880 $7 billion market gap and I think they have revenue of like 186 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,240 nothing. It's like the 10s of it's like 187 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,400 the 10s of millions of revenue and it's it's like a $7 billion. 188 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,640 So it's just a meme stop. He is. 189 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,520 If he was, Chili's a meme coin, I reckon that would easily go to 190 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,920 a bill. I reckon maybe a couple bill. 191 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:15,040 It would go wild before the election, but because he hasn't. 192 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Yet we have. We have the other ones which 193 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,520 rallied, which he had, He had. Interestingly, the Trump based 194 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,200 ones rallied more than the Bowden based ones. 195 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,000 I think people probably realize that Bone's not going to win 196 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,280 this election now. Biden, that is, he's not going 197 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,080 to win this election now. He's unlikely to win the 198 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,960 election now, or at least he's not liking. 199 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,120 But does does Bowden go higher if he wins or if he loses? 200 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,120 I guess it goes higher if he wins, but he wins also. 201 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,840 If he is, it's over, right? It's just like. 202 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:41,320 He's out the picture there, isn't he? 203 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,360 Yeah. Yeah, you don't own like an ex 204 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,560 presidents meme. Yeah, that's true. 205 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,400 Whereas I think is is Bowden a good shore at some point, like 206 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,600 into the elections? I've I've thought about this 207 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,360 many times. I spoke to many because I was 208 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,160 big in Bowden, right? And I spoke to many Bowden 209 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,040 holders, and lots of Bowden holders were like, you know, 210 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,200 I'll sell before the election because he'll probably do, but 211 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,840 then when does everyone sell? Because everyone's like I'll 212 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,160 sell in August, but then if everyone's going to sell in 213 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,800 August, maybe you're meant to sell in July and everyone's 214 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,640 meant to sell in July and would probably sell in like May. 215 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,680 So like there is now this like Tremp or Trump Bowden pear 216 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:19,960 trade, which originally was like widening because obviously 217 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:21,560 Bowden I think was a better meme. 218 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,760 But now I think Trump just re flipped Bowden. 219 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:30,680 Yeah, I saw that. And Tremp is nearly at 100 220 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:35,680 million I think today or it got to like 75 S It's funny this 221 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:37,320 because it seems overly analytical. 222 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,960 I wonder if we'll be able to do this on the on the real 223 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,080 business, you know, but. Well, the Trump coins, to your 224 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,720 point, like the Trump and the Trump coins can if Trump wins, 225 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,600 they can exist for longer than the elections, right? 226 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,360 Especially because Trump himself is just a fucking meme. 227 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,440 Like he's like the ultimate meme. 228 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,400 So like any, any shit that he does, like he starts going wild 229 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,840 on Twitter again or whatever. Like those those coins could go 230 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:01,960 pretty crazy, actually, couldn't they? 231 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:08,120 Yeah, I feel like he's not as good a meme, but I think he, 232 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,440 well, actually he's there are a lot of memes around Trump, 233 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,640 right? But the one where where it's 234 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,600 like the Bowden, the the Nolan comic version I think works 235 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,760 better with Bowden. So I just don't know. 236 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,800 I don't know if are you meant by Trump or tramp? 237 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,280 Are you are you meant to wait for the the actual Trump 238 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,200 official meme coin which comes out and goes to two bill? 239 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:32,280 That would be wild. Like imagine if he imagine. 240 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,680 Takes it to 70. You know what the ultimate Chad 241 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:39,280 move would be for Trump to just actively launch his own mean 242 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,440 coin, win the election and just get guy against the fires. 243 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:43,880 And yeah, this is all good. He's. 244 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,480 Such a populist he he just would do it right. 245 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,440 Like why wouldn't he? Like, he has a team. 246 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,760 I met the guy in in in Paris who runs his Web 3 right? 247 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,280 And that kind of dialled in like they know what's going on. 248 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,640 There's no doubt like literally no doubt in my mind that he 249 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:10,320 hasn't been pitched a that he's he's been pitched and he's 250 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,120 probably thinking about it you know why not I don't know if he 251 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,000 can sell. You see his Trump media because 252 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,000 it's kind of it's kind of tough. I think he owns like 30 or 40% 253 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,840 of Trump media but everyone in Trump media is like hoping he 254 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:28,320 doesn't sell but maybe just as a a meme coin presale out of a St. 255 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:34,000 Cayman Island foundation and just use it to get Gary fired 256 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,800 anyway. Yeah so a bit of egg on the face 257 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,360 of the SEC looked like Biden and Warren and a few others came in 258 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,720 to basically save him and said that they would veto this if it 259 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,840 if if the bill passed. But definitely looks like the 260 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,680 battle lines are drawn irrespective of politics. 261 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,720 It does feel as though politics elsewhere does feel as though 262 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:04,920 Trump is coming out as a more crypto friendly politician than 263 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,640 than Biden going into this election. 264 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,760 So I would, I would expect most of crypto again. 265 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,720 And I've seen this take quite a lot because I think a lot of 266 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,760 crypto, you know, they have a vast range of people on the 267 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,040 political spectrum. But yeah they are they're kind 268 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,760 of they don't like this very anti crypto approach which which 269 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,840 seems to be taking hold of the Democrats and it's not just all 270 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,200 Democrats like RFK came out and he I guess he's an independent 271 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,200 but I guess more or less leaning and he was he's very pro crypto. 272 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,920 So it doesn't have to be a divisive issue but it it does 273 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,680 seem to be. So it's kind of surprised me. 274 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,360 It's definitely, it's definitely surprised me, but yeah, that was 275 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,240 that was one of the main main headlines. 276 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,680 I think you saw a couple of headlines around Ethan Solana. 277 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,080 The first one was which were both kind of negative. 278 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,760 You had Solana FTX again is going in to sell a third tranche 279 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:01,080 of locked Loch Solana, which we'll see what happens, what 280 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,520 happens there. I think it's a smaller tranche, 281 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,760 probably only in the hundreds of 1,000,000, but they they've 282 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,520 moved two tranches recently, one in the billions and one in the 283 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,240 hundreds of millions. And this one I think is the 284 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:15,360 thirtest third smallest tranche. And then we saw that ETH, 285 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,720 interestingly Grayscale withdrew their ETH futures ETF 286 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,040 application and that that that got taken relatively negatively. 287 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:29,440 So you saw an under performance in ETH since then and I mean 288 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,360 everything sold off, but it definitely felt like ETH was 289 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,120 feeling good. It was one of those periods 290 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:37,920 where I was like oh, you know, it's a bit about performance 291 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,800 here. Maybe this is the time and then 292 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,360 I don't know let me bring up like Sol Eath and Bitcoin Eath. 293 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,960 But it's definitely they're definitely reversed again and 294 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:54,200 just not really too sure not really too sure what to what to 295 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:59,800 make of that but I I suspect we won't see an ETF soon. 296 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,840 I think we will see one in the medium term but but probably 297 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,240 does still feel like concretely we're not going to see that one 298 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,560 in in May. I want to pull him up. 299 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,640 Let me just bring up open up Polymarket for that. 300 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,560 And then the other thing, because I think in terms of D 301 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,520 Jenning, it hasn't been a great period for for meme coins. 302 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,600 I think for the last, for the last, I don't know, 3-4 days, 303 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,880 most things are down. My duck is, I'm coming to East 304 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:37,560 J, Duck Jesus, it's holding up. It's holding up but it hasn't 305 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,240 been a great period but most people have been on blast and 306 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,480 why don't the interesting story is what's actually happened with 307 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,440 this gold because it's something that I think you knew have 308 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:53,320 benefit benefited from. But has has has rubbed a lot of 309 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,760 people the wrong way in the in the, in the, yeah, in the Blast 310 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,400 community when when you give the the TLDR on what's going on 311 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,720 there. Yeah, so there's this thing that 312 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,000 came out a few days ago which is called the blast gold jackpot. 313 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,720 And basically if you own a token or an NFT it gives you an entry 314 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,480 to the jackpot and certain tokens NFTS have high 315 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,359 probabilities of winning than others. 316 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,400 We don't know what the probabilities are or the what 317 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,520 the weightings are, but BLAST does have a list of different 318 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,440 factors that affect it. They say tokens have high 319 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,320 probability than NFTS. They say things like market 320 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,920 caps, social engagement, all these things add to the 321 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,320 probability being higher. If you're a new coin or token, 322 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,520 you also get a high probability as well. 323 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:44,040 So you know all that stuff was made public and it came out and 324 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:46,640 I think Pacman won the first jackpot. 325 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,040 It was quite a big and there being quite a lot of gold for 326 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,560 people and it's fine. And I think Fancy Top won the 327 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,800 next one. Then a token called Big won the 328 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,120 third one and then Blast won it again yesterday. 329 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,000 But the payout was quite large for Blast now. 330 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,440 Sorry. You said blast one it but it. 331 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:09,200 Was packed, sorry Pack Me won it again yesterday, but the payout 332 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,200 was quite large. One thing to note is like the 333 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,200 market cap of Pack Me has increased quite a lot recently, 334 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:19,480 like it's I think quadrupled in the space of about a week, maybe 335 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,000 10 days or so. So maybe that's a factor to it 336 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,920 getting a higher allocation because like as its market cap 337 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,240 goes higher, we know that its probability will increase and 338 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,360 maybe that results and it also getting like a high proportion 339 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:32,560 of the jackpot, whatever. But I think, you know, obviously 340 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,600 anyone who owned PAC Moon pretty happy with it because they just 341 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,640 got a shit ton of gold for people who don't own much PAC 342 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,160 Moon and have spent a long time farming different daps and stuff 343 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,440 on on blast a little bit like well there's a kick in the face 344 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,600 because I spent weeks and months farming all the stuff and using 345 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,960 all these protocols and daps and stuff and I've, you know, the 346 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,640 amount of gold that I've got has been completely dwarfed by some 347 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,480 people who just like won this jackpot basically from owning a 348 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,480 meme coin. So that's kind of like the 349 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,040 debate at at hand. My personal opinion is like, 350 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,640 look, all this information was like public and I made, you 351 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,720 know, made available to everyone and you as a crypto speculator 352 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,600 had a choice to make. It's like, do you want to spend 353 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,400 all your capital on farming daps and stuff or do you want to like 354 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,320 pay this jackpot, whatever, And that's totally up to you and 355 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:23,800 maybe you have it split between the two. 356 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,280 So I think for me, I was like, you know, I owned PAC Moon 357 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,800 before even the jackpot had started. 358 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,120 But I bought more after they started the jackpot because to 359 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:34,240 me it was quite clear that like it would have a high chance of 360 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,360 not only winning once, but winning multiple times. 361 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:40,840 Like it is like the ultimate best meme coin on blast. 362 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,400 And in my opinion, if you've meme coins have been so massive 363 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,720 this year and the biggest Solana on boarding event were meme 364 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,480 coins. Like people joined Solana just 365 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,560 to put it around the meme coins. So if you're trying to, like, 366 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,560 incentivize people to go on to blast and use it, I think the 367 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,720 prospect of an active meme coin community and a meme coin taking 368 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,280 off is actually much better way to get people, real users on 369 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,320 blast. Than farming daps for gold, 370 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,240 where most people like, let's be honest, if it's like I've been, 371 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,680 you know, firing these daps for a long time, it's like, yeah, 372 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,040 dude, but like, you're only farming them because you can get 373 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,040 gold and you're going to get paid. 374 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,640 If it wasn't for that, you wouldn't actually be using any 375 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,480 of this stuff. Whereas for PAC Moon, people 376 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,240 were actually buying this token as a meme without getting any 377 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,000 rewards. The jackpot thing was only very 378 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,640 recently. So you know if anything like it 379 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,760 is the most organic community and thing on blast because 380 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,640 people had owned it without expecting any rewards and now 381 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,280 people may be own it for the rewards because you know that 382 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,120 that's it's it's shown that it can win it a couple of times. 383 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:38,360 But before that like it's arguably the most organic 384 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:40,800 community because people weren't farming. 385 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,920 It was nothing to farm. You just own it and if anything 386 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,120 it's a disadvantage to own that rather than E or USDB on blast 387 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:47,840 because you didn't even get blast points for it. 388 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,920 So that's my $0.02 on it. Like, I understand why people 389 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,800 are pissed off, but I just think to me it was obvious that you'd 390 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,600 want to have your ships and this and not the other stuff 391 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,840 basically. Yeah, I think that's two 392 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,440 separate points. I think what I would say is that 393 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,960 if you were reading between the lines, the bright play was to 394 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,040 buy Pac-Man. I bought, I bought Pac-Man when 395 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,240 I heard about this happening, right? 396 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,600 I bought and I think I'm probably now have more gold than 397 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,320 people who were farming for the last six months and I barely had 398 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,560 any money on blast. So I think more you have to 399 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,640 separate like once the information was out there what 400 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,040 should you have done and separately is this good for the 401 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,280 protocol like do you think this is now good for the protocol. 402 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,400 I think it's a separate question. 403 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,720 I I think you can you can it's it's defensible to say well this 404 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,480 was the obvious move and everyone who did it has made 405 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,320 money but now you've got a bunch of people who are annoyed, would 406 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,320 like my guess now is that he's going to have to make some 407 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,240 changes right And pretty drastic ones because like I said, like I 408 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:56,040 came on I bought like a more decent clip of of PAC Moon and 409 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,040 yeah like I got a lot of gold and I have not been on blast. 410 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,640 Like I have not I haven't done anything on blast. 411 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,640 I just bought the meme coin because I was like, well this is 412 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,160 the trade, but. What's more valuable for, What's 413 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,080 more valuable for BLAST? Like you putting in, you putting 414 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,520 in, yeah, you putting in all that capital to speculate in the 415 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,160 meme coin and then winning some money. 416 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:21,640 I think having another look at it as a power user or 5000 417 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:27,480 people, you know trading watches and then who are instantly going 418 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,800 to stop trading watches once the gold is done like. 419 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:31,480 You tell me a little bit more about this. 420 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,160 So it has. Has the farming elsewhere been 421 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,360 negative EV for people? Because it feels like it maybe 422 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:39,440 has and I don't know. It depends. 423 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,320 I think there have been there's been some stuff where it's been 424 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,760 pretty positive EV like you haven't had to like district one 425 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,880 for example. You haven't had to really spend 426 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,680 any ETH like tiny amounts of ETH and you'll be able to wherever 427 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,040 you get there is like pure alpha. 428 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,400 I think something a lot of people got wrecked on was crypto 429 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,120 valleys and that yield token and you have to pile up that yield 430 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:03,560 token to you know to be competitive in the game and that 431 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:08,360 went down like 7080 or 90%. So I think people are a little 432 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,160 bit pissed that like that was the thing that just got crushed 433 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,440 and went down a lot and hasn't won yet And then this this one. 434 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,360 You know if Pack Moon won the exact same amount but they won 435 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:22,240 it like 2 weeks later after there were a few other winners. 436 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,080 I don't think the timeline would be as heated. 437 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,680 But I just think it's the fact that it's won twice in in four 438 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,240 days and very large amounts. People just like for fuck's 439 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,160 sake. But you know this thing is like 440 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,480 like no one's sitting there hand picking these things. 441 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,240 It it goes to show that it is actually it's proven that it's 442 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,120 actually not proven, but it does go to show that it has been 443 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:45,000 chosen at random or probability base and not like if they were 444 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,040 just hand picking these, they wouldn't pick the same one twice 445 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,920 in four days, right? There's definitely an algo to 446 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,800 this, but I would say that if I was sitting there objectively, I 447 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,240 don't think this is now good for the platform. 448 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,000 I think it's good to have one meme coin. 449 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,800 I agree with that concept and I. But like now I feel as though 450 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,120 you've got a bunch of people who are annoyed. 451 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,280 Like I would. I think I would be annoyed if I 452 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,720 hadn't, if suddenly like what I just did right? 453 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,200 Like, I think I'd be annoyed at me. 454 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,160 But you wouldn't though, because you had all the information and 455 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,640 you made your decision. You didn't you'd. 456 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,040 Be annoyed. I'd be annoyed. 457 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,680 Not at me. I'd be annoyed at the people who 458 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,520 who decided to to make it like that. 459 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,120 Because it has been like, in the space of a week. 460 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,200 Like how long has these lotteries gone for? 461 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,120 But the problem with that logic, Michael, is that you had all the 462 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,320 information, and with that information you decided to go 463 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,080 and buy a shit load of PAC Moon and then you made money, right? 464 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,960 So you can't really say I would have been annoyed if it wasn't 465 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,080 me because everyone had the same information and you made a 466 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,880 better decision than other people. 467 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,360 That is just the fact of the matter. 468 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,800 Yeah, so but like, not trying to be a Dick here, but like that is 469 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,840 what it is. And like, yeah, it's crazy that 470 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,600 it's won twice in four days, but it would have won anyway under 471 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,120 the current, like, metrics and probabilities and and 472 00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,640 everything. So it just was the better trade 473 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,280 because you have a chance of winning a ton of blast gold and 474 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,120 you also have a chance of the token going a lot higher. 475 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:08,440 You have like multiple return streams. 476 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,040 OK, so let's take. Let's take away all the morals 477 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,120 of it. What do we What do we think he 478 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:15,600 does now? I think in my opinion, they 479 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,120 won't come out and publicly say they would change it because I 480 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:20,120 think that kind of admits that they were wrong. 481 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:23,000 And whether it's right or wrong I think is still up for debate. 482 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:28,120 But I wouldn't be surprised if they like lowered fiddle around 483 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,760 with some weightings, for example in the back end and and 484 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,480 then maybe the probability of Pat win to win again is lower, 485 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,440 but could they? They say like once you've won a 486 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,640 million, like that's it. They could do that. 487 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,800 They could say that seems like a. 488 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,960 Smarter way of doing it. Yeah, like they could say you 489 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,320 could only win three times or you can't win more than a 490 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,960 certain number of times within a certain time frame or something 491 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,240 like that. Yeah, because I think they 492 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,360 probably do want other meme coins to do well, right? 493 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,240 And they want other NFTS to do well and they want other things. 494 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,400 But like if, like you said, it does feel like it's a lot of 495 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,920 gold, and it's 50% currently probability that PAC Moon wins 496 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,560 it, it doesn't feel like the right way. 497 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,120 It just feels like a PAC Moon AirDrop, right? 498 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,440 It feels like they've given basically 1.5 million. 499 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,880 We don't know the probabilities or the alga. 500 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,200 That's the thing. And it could have been 3%, but 501 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,440 it just happened. You know, even if it was just 502 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,600 3%, it's still, there's still a possibility it can happen. 503 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,400 You know what I mean? So I also think he needs to 504 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,200 move. And I think he needs to. 505 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,360 My guess is that he will do some some form of a limit. 506 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,480 I I I thought about selling. I told you today, I felt thought 507 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,360 about selling to my PAC Moon. It's actually rallied. 508 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,120 But I feel as though if I go through the next moves here, I 509 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,680 don't see a world where PAC Moon continues to win. 510 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,520 And I reckon that causes that there's no good options here 511 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,800 because people who own PAC Moon and they're buying it right now 512 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,880 are probably sitting there going like, well, this is now the 513 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,000 obvious trade, but then. Yeah, like. 514 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,280 I think he needs to move quickly. 515 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,520 I think he needs to. He needs to move quickly. 516 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,280 It's fun in every scenario here in my opinion, but he's because 517 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,320 I think it's. I think people have been caught 518 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,400 off guard. I agree with you that like 519 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,360 that's not maybe his fault but I think the incentives was have 520 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:23,920 slight maybe we're not we're too aggressive for what he expected 521 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,720 that's that's what I would say. So that's that's been the only 522 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:34,240 drama I've seen in in in I would say NFTS and crypto. 523 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:37,840 It feels as though like I said, the meme coins are are a little 524 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,320 little bit soggy. A lot of the stories that were 525 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:46,520 doing well, not doing so well and then the only real ones that 526 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,960 rally but the platify coins on the back of that, on the back 527 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,480 back of that speech. So the top of my movers are 528 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,960 Trent Trump USA and Boden and PAC move obviously because on on 529 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:03,880 the back of that. I think the only yeah my my my 530 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,680 last comment would be you mentioned it would be good for 531 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,800 other mean coins to rally. I think you need one flagship 532 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,840 coin. You need a whiff. 533 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,720 You need a Pepe on blast for it to take off. 534 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,840 I think if you get a whiff for a Pepe like move on PAC moon then 535 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,200 inevitably other meme coins will start taking off and you know 536 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,360 there's a you can use pump dot fun on blast by the way like no 537 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,160 one it's been on blast since February or something like that. 538 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,000 So you know if you if PAC Moon can go to 500 mil or a billion 539 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,080 dollars wherever it is that needs to, then you're going to 540 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,200 see the Pump dot fun engine start turning on for BLAST and 541 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,840 you will see a massive meme coin community there and that will 542 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,120 then blast will already take off. 543 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,960 I think so, I think. I agree like a a a winner is is 544 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,560 important. I do agree with that too. 545 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,800 I just feel as though if it's a winner, that pisses off all the 546 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,680 other users and all the other users who've been using the 547 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,440 apps, the apps. I don't know if that's like a 548 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,920 winner or it's just like an artificial hump which people 549 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,560 will get pissed about. That's fair. 550 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,040 That's why we are. Winners now?