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 Yo,  yo,  yo,  what  up?  What 
 up?  Good 

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 morning.  Good 
 morning.  GMG. 

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 Monday,  Monday,  Monday, 
 April  29,  2020.  Look 

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 at  that.  Another 
 beautiful  day  to  have  a 

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 beautiful  day.  We're 
 going  a  little  early  today,

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 but  we  are  out  here  with 
 my  co's  Bando.  What's 

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 up?  How 
 are  you  doing  this  week? 

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 Doing 
 great.  Man, 

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 how  are  you?  I 
 am  vibing  currently  getting 

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 the  FOMO  hour  account  on 
 the  Twitter  space.  We 

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 call  the  people  by 
 surprise.  People 

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 like,  holy  shit,  let's  get 
 a  little  retweets.  Let's 

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 get  a  few  retweets  out. 
 Give 

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 us  a  little  love  at  the 
 bottom  right.  There 

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 is  the  pebble  box,  you 
 know  what  to  do.  And 

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 and  give  us  a  We'll  go, 
 we'll  be  getting  started  in

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 a  second  here.  I 
 don't  know  what  my 

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 notification  my  I'm  good. 
 Right? 

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 You  guys  hear  me  right? 
 Right? 

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 You  guys  hear  me  properly 
 through  the  show?  Yeah, 

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 my  old  tester.  Yeah. 
 Okay.  Cause 

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 cause  I  get  notifications 
 outside  of  it,  which  is 

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 weird.  But 
 anyways,  there's  always 

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 always  something  going  on 
 with  the  stream  yard. 

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 Anyways, 
 anyways,  let  the  people 

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 know,  we're  on  live  today. 
 Let 

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 the  people  know  We're  live 
 today.  Oh 

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 my  lord.  Oh 
 my  this  morning.  I 

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 woke  up  a  check  price 
 obviously  bad  price  and 

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 then  Everybody's  losing 
 their  minds  all  over  the 

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 place  once  again.  I'm 
 out  here.  Just 

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 trying  to  get  my  workout 
 in  chill  You  know  and  and 

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 do  my  thing.  I 
 know  that  there's  friend 

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 air  drop  this  week  I  was 
 just  Eigen  liar  this  big 

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 and  liar  air  drop  this 
 week  I  know  runes  are 

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 cooking.  I 
 know  a  lot  of  stuff  is 

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 happening  I  know 
 everything's  good  in  my 

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 hood  for  some  while.  It's 
 not  so  great  in  in  other 

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 hoods.  So 
 anyways  Today  today,  let's 

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 see  what  we  got  going  on 
 market  report  Well,  they 

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 yen  dude  We  gotta  talk 
 about  Japan  for  like  a 

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 hard  second  man  look  cuz 
 that  you  got  explain  me 

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 what  the  fuck  is  going  on 
 there  I  saw  that  chart.  It

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 looks  like  my  favorite  meme
 coins  East  gas  trees  at 

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 six  month  flow.  I 
 mean  good  time  to  put  your

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 grails  in  the  vault  BTC 
 now  in  track  for  five  red 

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 weeks  in  the  world.  Oh, 
 wow  five  red  weeks  in  a 

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 row.  Jeez. 
 Look  at  that  Egg  and  lie 

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 I  can  lie  here.  Like 
 I  said,  we  have  friends. 

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 We 
 have  a  lot  of  stuff 

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 happening  this  week  All  to 
 memes  and  dreams  a  lot  of 

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 hot  coins  this  week  and 
 again,  especially  cool  man's

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 I'm  just  the  artist  and 
 That's  what  that  one's 

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 going  down  as  an  all -time 
 line  that  is  going  that  is

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 going  down  as  the  line  I 
 at  least  he  was  honest 

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 about  it.  I 
 feel  like  a  lot  of  you 

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 know,  soo  though,  you  know 
 Artists  2021,  you  know, 

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 just  didn't  even  have  the 
 nerve  to  use  that  line 

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 Mando  We'll  talk  about  it. 
 I 

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 want  to  talk  about  what 
 happened  with  Obi  this 

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 weekend  But  I  know  he's  on
 because  he  had  force 

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 majeure  in  his  home  the 
 poor  guy  his  walls  are 

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 literally  collapsing  What  is
 going  on  in  London  Mando? 

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 You 
 tell  me?  So 

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 you'll  come  at  some  point 
 rune  court  launch  on  okx. 

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 We'll 
 go  over  some  stuff  and  of 

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 course  our  guest  is 
 emmerich  I  got  my  hoodie 

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 right  next  to  me.  Damn. 
 It's  pretty.  I 

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 got  it.  I 
 got  a  flaunt  That  was  in 

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 home  when  we  last  had 
 emmerich  on  stomach  side 

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 tough  Kobe  McRabby  on  she 
 had  a  very  successful  mint 

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 And  last  but  not  least 
 this  show  is  presented  by 

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 fair  side  networked  our 
 monthly  partner  Well  the 

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 coverage  for  drain  scams 
 and  more  make  sure  you 

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 check  them  out  fair  side 
 network  on  X  anyways 

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 anyways  Without  further  ado,
 why  don't  we  just  get 

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 right  into  it? 
 How 

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 we  doing  that's  It  is 
 sorry,  let  me  just  join 

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 the  space  first.  I 
 love  that.  I 

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 love  that  how  we  don't 
 let's  The  hot  on  sort  of 

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 day  we  used  to  call  them 
 So  what  you  saw  on  the 

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 white  hot  hats  hard  hats 
 on  as  in  like  what  is  it 

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 me?  This 
 means  shit's  raining  down 

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 us  right  now.  We 
 need  to  need  to  save 

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 ourselves  Definitely  not 
 been  the  best  of  weeks.  I 

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 think  for  no  for  For  for 
 crypto  we  had  a  little  bit

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 of  a  grit  like  a  I  would 
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 on  the  weekend  because  we 
 saw  ETH  rally  And  there 

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 was  some  it  looked  like 
 one  of  the  ETS  was  listed 

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 on  DTCC  I  think  it  was 
 the  Franklin  or  the  SLTTF 

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 So  people  are  like,  oh, 
 maybe  the  ETH,  you  know, 

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 it's  gonna  get  listed  and 
 obviously  there's  also  on 

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 the  back  of  of  Consensus 
 suing  the  SEC.  Yeah 

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 That  seemed  to  be  kind  of 
 another  you  know  how  we've 

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 seen  recently  when  ETH 
 rallies  everything  dumps 

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 Again,  bro  Like  yeah,  it 
 was  the  final  we  had  a 

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 little  rally  thing  up  to  0
.05  if  BTC  and  And  Yeah, 

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 the  then  everything's  dumped
 since  everything's  down 

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 again.  Bitcoin 
 is  still  holding  up.  Okay, 

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 like  we're  still  sitting 
 here  at  Bitcoin  It's  62k. 

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 It's 
 not  hit  a  low  low  than 

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 hit  recently,  but  most 
 altcoins  most  meme  coins 

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 Solana  Even  ETH  is  all 
 sold  off  pretty  heavily 

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 over  the  last  24  hours. 
 It's 

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 not  feeling  that  great  out 
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 would  say  I've  been  bullish
 on  on  Bitcoin  because  it 

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 felt  like  flows  were  Were 
 still  supportive  but  now 

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 around  for  three  weeks  of 
 outflows  from  the  ETF  three

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 weeks  of  outflows  from  the 
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 I  Think  you  have  to  be 
 realistic  there.  It's 

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 not  just  been  one  week  in 
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 bit  of  a  trend  and  you 
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-looking  But  it  does  put  us
 on  a  slightly  more 

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 precarious  scenario  that  it 
 feels  like  the  ETFs  of 

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 just  not  picking  up  We  do 
 have  the  Hong  Kong  ETF 

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 launching  this  week  But  I 
 think  it's  They  yeah,  it's 

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 it's  just  a  bit  of  a 
 disaster  I  think  from  from 

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 Well,  not  a  disaster,  but 
 it's  definitely  not  been  a 

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 strong  three  weeks  what 
 people  expected  And  I  think

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 as  we've  said  before  like 
 with  Bitcoin  catchers  are 

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 cold  everything  else  is 
 getting  Covid  at  this  day 

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 like  it's  Horrific  Bitcoin 
 catchers  are  cold  everything

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 catches  Covid  it  seems  that
 dude.  I'm 

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 gonna  tweet  that  That  was 
 a  good  quote  My  god,  it's 

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 true  man.  I 
 mean  look  because  it's  62 

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 K.  What 
 are  you  seeing  like  on  the

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 trader  side?  Like 
 what's  trader  man  though? 

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 What's 
 the  mando  trader  out?  I've 

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 been  bullish  on  Bitcoin 
 like  I  still  think  Bitcoin 

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 is  is  is  doing  Is  a  good 
 point  and  I  think  I  also 

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 still  believe  that  This  is 
 a  sort  of  time  where 

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 Everything  is  down.  So 
 if  you  if  your  coin  hasn't

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 done  well  this  year  and 
 you're  still  holding  on  to 

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 it  Like  this  is  not  a  bad
 time  to  get  into  a  better 

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 narrative  and  play  a 
 bounce,  you  know,  so  like 

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 You  know  if  you're  in  some
 L1  or  you're  in  some  D5 

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 corn  you're  like  all  these 
 down  to  just  haven't  really

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 caught  on  and  feels  like 
 They're  probably  not  gonna 

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 beat  that  love  this  cycle. 
 I 

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 think  it's  not  the  worst 
 time  to  consider  You  know, 

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 maybe  a  different  L1  maybe 
 a  different  narrative  like 

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 which  which  could  bounce 
 very  aggressively  back  if 

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 We  get  a  strong  footing. 
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 definitely  consider  that  if 
 you  don't  want  to  go  into 

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 Bitcoin  Which  you  know, 
 some  people  might  not  like 

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 your  if  your  coin  is  down 
 50 %  and  I'm  telling  you 

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 to  get  into  Bitcoin  Which 
 is  only  down  10  or  15 % 

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 you  might  probably  like 
 well  I  want  to  make  that 

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 my  my  money  you  can  get 
 into  another  coin  here  But 

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 just  be  like  aware  that 
 don't  just  hold  on  that 

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 coin  that's  been  down  all 
 year  or  hasn't  really  done 

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 that  well  That's  the  same 
 for  any  asset  so  far  this 

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 year.  We've 
 been  a  raging  bull  market 

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 You've  now  got  an 
 opportunity  use  this  down 

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 like  this  down  move  think 
 about  it  on  the  front  foot

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 like  wow  I  get  another  I 
 get  an  opportunity  now  to 

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 get  into  something  which 
 Which  is  probably  gonna  be 

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 a  better  better  cycle  play.
 So 

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 I  think  you  gotta  you 
 gotta  consider  that  a 

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 little  bit  and  You  know, 
 there's  a  there's  been  a 

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 few  different  things  said 
 though  the  last  24  hours 

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 like  yet  Peter  Brandt  is 
 like  a  well -known  trader 

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 in  the  space  that  he  he 
 thinks  that  70  was  the 

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 cycle  top  you  had  Bernstein
 coming  out  and  saying  we're

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 still  going  to  150  150k 
 this  is  just  a  blip  we're 

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 gonna  see  inflows  again 
 into  the  ETF  There's  been 

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 a  lot  of  hot  takes  about 
 Japan  Do  I  explain  to  us 

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 what's  happening  on  the  on 
 the  Japanese  yen  side? 

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 Yeah, 
 this  is  the  thing  like 

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 crypto  Over  always  says  is 
 like  we  kind  of  we  We 

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 find  a  narrative  and  then 
 the  price  action  we  like 

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 we  pin  to  it  this  this 
 narrative  and  actually  It's 

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 not  really  been  the  case 
 that  that  the  Japanese  yen 

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 is  causing  global  markets 
 to  sell  off  Hey  Stocks  had

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 their  best  week  last  week 
 tech  stocks  had  their  best 

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 week  in  six  months  Like 
 gold  had  a  good  week.  It's

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 near  all -time  highs  So  the
 two  main  things  that  you 

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 would  look  at  for  crypto 
 had  a  good  week  last  week 

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 So  to  say  we're  selling 
 off  because  the  Japanese 

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 yen  I  think  is  I  Don't 
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 think  you  got  I  think 
 that's  just  like  us  trying 

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 to  search  for  a  narrative 
 of  why  we've  sold  off 

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 Yeah,  basically  Japanese  yen
 has  been  selling  off  versus

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 and  most  Currencies 
 particularly  Asian  currency 

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 has  been  selling  off  versus
 the  dollar  Over  the  course 

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 of  the  last  few  months 
 Japanese  yen  has  been  very 

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 notably  selling  off  as  as 
 the  the  South  Korean  one 

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 and  even  the  Chinese  Yuan 
 and  There  has  been 

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 speculation  And  what's 
 really  happened  there  is 

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 that  inflation  is  not  as 
 aggressive  as  it  is 

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 potentially  in  the  US  and 
 everyone's  Been  expecting 

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 the  Fed  to  cut  interest 
 rates  and  now  is  looking 

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 less  likely  In  fact, 
 there's  some  people  who 

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 think  they  might  increase 
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 what  that  means  is  the 
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 because  people  are  like 
 well  My  interest  rates  are 

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 going  to  be  higher  in  the 
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 else  The  issue  about  that 
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 dollar  the  ending  the  most 
 and  That  that's  painful  for

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 people  in  those  couple  of 
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 big  importing  countries  like
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 from  from  abroad  and  your 
 currency  becomes  much  weaker

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 You  suddenly,  you  know,  you
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 lot  more  costly  to  several 
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 the  central  banks  of  these 
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 for  a  while  that  we're 
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 and  save  this  And  they 
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 rates  because  that  there 
 are  slightly  more  precarious

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 point  in  terms  of  growth 
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 more  debt  These  public  debt
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 position  to  be  able  to  do 
 that  And  the  issue  about 

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 that  is  also  the  Jeff  that
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 stepped  in  to  defend  it 
 versus  the  dollar,  but  they

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 and  people  might  question 
 their  amount  of  firepower 

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 the  Japanese  and  This  is 
 quite  protracted.  So 

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 I'm  sorry  if  you're  not 
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 also  the  number  one  holder 
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 is  holding  the  world  of  US
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 wow,  okay,  the  firepower 
 that  Japan  has  is  US 

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 Treasury's  so  when  they  say
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 Japanese  yen,  but  not  just 
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 selling  US  Treasury's.  Okay,
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 you've  seen  is  an 
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 going  on  in  the  bond  yield
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 been  rising  And  so  part  of
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 this  big  big  blowout  in 
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 because  Japan  is  selling 
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 yen  continues  to  face 
 issues,  they  could  really 

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 they  could  really  like 
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 market  essentially  and  what 
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 economy  as  a  whole  would 
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 be  something  Well,  that 
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 you  consider  like  why  we 
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 tightening  Which  is  where 
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 similarly  these  sort  of 
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 This  would  basically  be 
 another  version  of  that 

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 except  instead  of  the  Fed. 
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 the  Japanese  smashing  US 
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 creating  a  sell -off 
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 that  thesis  to  think  that 
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 that  so  I  think  This  is 
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 scenario,  right?  But 
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 look  at  like  what  other 
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 relation  to  this  or  how 
 much  they  Consider  is 

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 really  the  risk  here  and 
 tech  stocks,  which  would  be

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 battered  in  that  scenario 
 didn't  really  have  that  bad

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 a  That  that  bad  a  period 
 I  mean  even  Jeff  like  most

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 of  the  stock  stock  markets 
 around  the  world  haven't 

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 had  that  horrific  a  period 
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 higher,  but  the  part  of 
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 the  ad  the  inflation  has 
 gone  higher  as  well  It 

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 could  there's  like  a  more 
 Guess  there's  a  higher 

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 chance  of  like  a  tail 
 event  is  what  what's 

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 happened  Got  it  I  think 
 like,  you  know  if  this 

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 really  does  spiral  and 
 people  continue  to  attack 

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 the  Japanese  yen  You  know 
 there  could  be  like  a  tail

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 event  here  where  you  have 
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 big  position  of  US 
 Treasuries  and  that  could 

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 cause  an  issue  Sometimes 
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 sort  of  tail  events,  but 
 more  often  not  it's  just 

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 it's  which  is  kind  of  what
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 Israel  The  other  day  like 
 it  got  battered  because 

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 people  like  they  really 
 don't  like  tail  events  with

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 crypto  They're  like  well, 
 what  three  happens  or  if 

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 like  something  nuclear 
 happens  like  crypto  gets 

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 absolutely  destroyed  that 
 being  said  like  other  risk 

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 assets  this  aren't  really 
 The  yen  is  getting  affected

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 But  like  you  haven't  seen 
 gold  and  you  haven't  seen 

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 You  haven't  seen  First 
 right  gold  right  and  I'll 

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 give  you  a  lot  of  Bitcoin 
 as  well  as  saying  you  know

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 like  if  you're  involved  in 
 these  currencies  As  we've 

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 said  several  times  in  the 
 show  Bitcoin  is  the 

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 lifeboat  Right  Bitcoin 
 doesn't  get  inflated  away. 

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 Bitcoin 
 doesn't  have  these  sort  of 

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 these  sort  of  Yeah,  like 
 that's  all  these  events 

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 right  that  Bitcoin  tanks 
 when  Bitcoin  is  supposedly 

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 right  It's  like  You  know 
 right  now  everyone  in  those

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 nations  is  buying  gold 
 China  and  Japan  have  been 

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 buying  gold  even  more  than 
 the  people  at  Costco  Like 

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 they're  buying  gold  like 
 insane  amounts  over  the 

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 last  year  of  the  last  few 
 years  even  So  and  gold  is 

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 very  similar  sort  of  Value 
 proposition  to  Bitcoin  so 

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 shouldn't  do  terrible  in 

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 these  sort  of  scenarios  But
 so  it's  I  think  a  lot  of 

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 people  just  put  put  a 
 narrative  Onto  the  price 

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 action  Yes,  it's  like  oh 
 my  god,  have  you  seen 

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 what's  going  on  in  Japan? 
 I 

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 have  But  I  wouldn't 
 necessarily  say  that  that's 

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 what's  causing  Bitcoin  to 
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 going  lower  because  we 
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 for  for  three  for  three 
 weeks  and  That's  not  a 

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 great  scenario  And  the 
 Japanese  yen  has  been 

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 blowing  up  for  six  six 
 months  a  year  like  this 

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 isn't  something  that's  like 
 yeah  Yeah,  it  went  from 

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 150  to  160  But  I  mean 
 it's  been  blowing  up  for  a

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 long  long  long  time.  So 
 like  I  wouldn't  necessarily 

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 say  this  is  like  oh  my 
 god,  Japan  Let's  see  though

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 like  it  could  it  could 
 spiral.  It 

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 was  a  Max  Kaiser  tweet, 
 right?  I 

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 think  we  took  it  from  your
 stuff,  but  like  he  goes 

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 Very  few  are  aware  of 
 what's  going  on  here  and 

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 the  risk  involves  the  yen 
 carry  trade  has  been  the 

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 lynchpin  Supporting  global 
 liquidity  for  30  years  if 

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 it  blows  the  credit  freeze 
 of  2000  would  look  small 

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 What  do  you  what  do  you 
 make  of  something  like 

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 that's  pretty  full  state 
 like?  Supporting 

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 the  lynchpin  supporting 
 liquidity  for  30  years 

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 Yeah,  look  this  is  just  a 
 classic,  you  know,  I'm 

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 gonna  take  off  my  Bitcoin 
 hat  and  put  on  my  macro 

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 economic  hat  Yeah  Very  very
 aggressive  You  could  happen,

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 okay,  and  I  don't  think 
 that's  again.  I 

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 don't  think  that's  why 
 Bitcoin  necessarily  selling 

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 off  I  just  Also,  I'd  like 
 is  that  bad  for  Bitcoin  is

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 I  good?  He's 
 Max  plays  a  big  big  bull 

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 So  I  don't  if  he's  saying 
 this  as  a  bullish  tweet  or

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 not.  Yeah, 
 just  wouldn't  It's  a  tail 

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 event  still  for  me.  It's 
 a  tail  event  And  it  could 

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 get  worse  But  for  me,  it's
 still  it's  still  a  it's 

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 still  a  still  a  tail 
 event.  Okay. 

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 Okay.  Look, 
 that's  good  to  know  I  mean

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 look,  this  is  the  majority 
 of  the  Conversation  going 

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 on  right  now  in  town  line 
 when  it  comes  to  to  majors

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 with  with  Bitcoin  still 
 hovering  around  62k  He's 

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 back  down  to  31  3165 
 Bitcoin  closer  to  63  to  62

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 and  soul  back  about  around 
 136  Of  course  like  by 

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 default  the  meme  coins  are 
 not  trading  very  well,  but 

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 that's  just  whatever  It's 
 just  kind  of  how  it  is  on

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 on  that  front  and  Cross 
 the  board.  So 

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 that's  that  Question  for 
 you  Mando.  I'm 

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 asked  will  be  the  same 
 question.  I 

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 know  he's  on  this  way  With
 inflows  and  or  out  and  or 

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 I  suppose  it  did  ETFs 
 slowing  down  Do  you  think 

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 that  leads  the  narrative 
 for  the  rest  of  the  market

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 finally  to  bloom  in  a  way?
 I 

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 was  wondering  this  weekend 
 like  obviously  has  been 

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 heavily  market  dominated  by 
 by  Bitcoin  We've  talked 

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 about  Bitcoin  dominance 
 probably  going  to  keep 

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 going  higher  and  higher  and
 higher  and  you  know  total 

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 three  Etc.  I 
 may  be  getting  hammered  on 

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 the  back  of  that  But  what 
 do  you  think  like  do  you 

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 think  these  inflows  being 
 much  lower  now  and  track 

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 five  maybe  having  less  of 
 a  arm  a  hand  in  it?  Could

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 allow  for  the  rest  of  the 
 market  to  finally  find  its 

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 footing  Or  is  it  just  like
 you  said  like  Bitcoin  is 

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 gonna  sneeze  the  rest  gonna
 catch  COVID  I?  Would 

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 say  that  For  some  things 
 yes  and  for  some  things  no

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 okay  I  think  if  you're  at 
 that  point  in  the  adoption 

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 cycle  where  people  are 
 actually  using  you  I  would 

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 look  for  users.  It 
 was  a  really  good  tweet  by

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 Mert  yesterday.  I 
 don't  if  you  saw  it,  but 

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 he  said  that  I  Think  that 
 all  L1s  have  been  worse 

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 this  case  than  meme  go 
 worst  have  been  worse  for 

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 this  Where  did  he  put  it? 
 I 

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 know  which  one  you're 
 talking  about  and  he's 

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 absolutely  right  I  do  think
 that  some  L1s  have  been 

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 worse  for  the  industry  than
 the  meme  corns  that  people 

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 Because  they've  raised  a 
 significant  amount  of  money 

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 war  Those  are  really  good 
 sweet  and  I  thought  there 

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 it  is  there  it  is  that's 
 the  one  That's  the  one 

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 because  it  was  on  the  back
 of  the  Forbes  article  right

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 about  the  chain  being  dead 
 He  goes  these  zombies  L1s 

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 So  Mert  said  the  zombie 
 L1s  with  code  like 

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 following  spreading  pure 
 nonsense  24 -7  are  10 ,000 

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 X  a  bigger  problem  for 
 crypto  than  any  mean  coin 

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 things  like  Cardano,  etc  I 
 have  done  serious  damage, 

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 and  he  followed  it  by  it's
 always  the  same  shit 

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 Founder  speaking  about 
 bullshit  just  technical 

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 enough  to  fool  all  non 
-technical  people  Cult 

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 gathers  and  coordinates  on 
 reddit  They  have  a  virtual 

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 support  group  where  they 
 repeat  nonsense  to  each 

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 other  if  someone  on  Twitter
 says  anything  that  goes 

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 against  a  delusion  They 
 swarm  around  as  a  group 

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 and  say  generic  nonsense 
 because  there's  zero 

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 substance  to  actually  use 
 in  any  query  or  an 

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 argument  them  I've  been  on 
 the  other  side  of  that 

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 Everyone  knew  that  buys  in 
 gets  wrecked.  I 

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 mean  that's  that's  the 
 tweet  you're  talking  about 

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 right  Mando  Yeah,  that's 
 it.  That's 

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 it.  I 
 guess  going  back  to  the 

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 first  point  what  would  I 
 own  and  own  stuff  Which  is

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 seeing  adoption  I  wouldn't 
 own  stuff  Which  is  this 

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 which  is  just  narrative 
 based  on  trash  and  that 

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00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,140
 goes  for  anything  that  goes
 for  meme  coins  as  well 

387
00:19:47,140 --> 00:19:49,660
 Like  there  are  certain  in 
 coins,  which  you  know,  you 

388
00:19:49,660 --> 00:19:53,000
 know  was  some  cabal  Runup 
 and  has  no  real  community 

389
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,420
 other  than  you  know  People 
 can  get  dumped  on  you  and 

390
00:19:56,420 --> 00:19:58,940
 you  know  which  ones  are 
 probably  gonna  be  like  more

391
00:19:58,940 --> 00:20:01,120
 active  You  can  feel  it  you
 can  feel  the  ones  that 

392
00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:03,140
 feel  have  the  more  strength
 and  I  would  say  the  same 

393
00:20:03,140 --> 00:20:06,620
 for  altcoins  like  does  your
 old  coin  have  any  users  or

394
00:20:06,620 --> 00:20:11,420
 is  it  Enter  random  AI 
 narrative  and  enter  random 

395
00:20:11,420 --> 00:20:14,980
 like  trash  narrative  and 
 that's  hope  that  that  Picks

396
00:20:14,980 --> 00:20:17,620
 up  users  next  cycle.  Yeah, 
 like  does  your  you  does 

397
00:20:17,620 --> 00:20:21,120
 your  old  coin  have  users 
 this  cycle?  I 

398
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:26,120
 mean  Was  pretty  it's  pretty
 I  think  Monero.  I 

399
00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:29,260
 think  I  mean  when  there 
 was  pretty  useful  for  the 

400
00:20:29,260 --> 00:20:31,380
 industry  as  a  whole  for 
 privacy  So  I  think  that 

401
00:20:31,380 --> 00:20:36,360
 one  caught  us  straight  here
 It's  tough  Monero  did  okay,

402
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,240
 but  I  would  say  manair  is 
 a  lot  like  I  was  fine  But

403
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,920
 I  would  just  say  that  as 
 a  use  case  in  general  like

404
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,420
 does  that  are  people  using 
 it  are  people  not 

405
00:20:46,439 --> 00:20:48,280
 tokenomics  is  important  to 
 like  are  people  just  gonna 

406
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:53,100
 be  dumping  on  you  Is  your 
 two  I  feel  but  I  get  it. 

407
00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:54,260
 I 
 would  say  is  catching 

408
00:20:54,260 --> 00:20:57,880
 straights  here  out  of  all 
 of  those  I  mean,  I  mean, 

409
00:20:57,888 --> 00:20:59,560
 Tessos  the  only  thing 
 you're  doing  is  giving  over

410
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,620
 a  chance  to  go  play  or 
 Trafford  It's  about  down  to

411
00:21:02,620 --> 00:21:06,380
 what  they're  doing.  Yeah, 
 I  mean  bullish  on  Tesos 

412
00:21:06,380 --> 00:21:08,140
 for  that.  I 
 saw  it  this  morning  I  love

413
00:21:08,140 --> 00:21:12,220
 Tesos  man  Are  you  gonna 
 drop  a  piece  on  Tesos?  I 

414
00:21:12,228 --> 00:21:15,840
 saw  you  made  like  600  Yes,
 I  should  drop  a  piece  of 

415
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:20,980
 Tesla  Like  we  got  a  talk 
 about  That's  about  to  buy 

416
00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:24,320
 a  zombie  I  Spoke  about  him
 yesterday.  I 

417
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:25,960
 was  like  hold  on  so  you've
 just  made  two  million 

418
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:34,600
 dollars.  He's 
 like  no  man  I  think  it's 

419
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,680
 the  most  wild  shit  I've 
 seen  on  on  the  blockchain 

420
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,380
 in  a  while  Let's  take  the 
 winder.  Let's 

421
00:21:39,380 --> 00:21:41,400
 take  the  conversation  there 
 and  then  tomorrow  Mando 

422
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,560
 when  you're  back  So  I  do 
 want  to  keep  I  want  to  go

423
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,760
 a  little  deeper  on  this  L1
 conversation  you're  having 

424
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,380
 and  maybe  ask  you  like  I 
 Know  you  probably  talk 

425
00:21:48,380 --> 00:21:49,660
 about  them  a  lot  But  what 
 you're  looking  at  most 

426
00:21:49,660 --> 00:21:50,980
 because  now  I  feel  like 
 people  will  be  really 

427
00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:52,580
 curious  I'll  tell  you  right
 now,  which  I  once  I  think 

428
00:21:52,580 --> 00:21:54,260
 could  be  really  good  the 
 silver  cycle.  I 

429
00:21:54,260 --> 00:21:58,180
 think  obviously  Salana  if 
 Bitcoin  if  you  call  that 

430
00:21:58,180 --> 00:22:02,820
 an  L1  I  Would  say  I'm 
 very  bullish  on  ton  just 

431
00:22:02,820 --> 00:22:05,540
 because  I  think  they  are 
 integrating  it  into  an  app 

432
00:22:05,540 --> 00:22:08,300
 with  800  million  users  But 
 to  economics  is  not  as 

433
00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:09,500
 good  there.  So 
 you  have  to  be  aware  on 

434
00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:14,380
 people  dumping  you  There 
 has  been  Some  light  chatter

435
00:22:14,380 --> 00:22:17,260
 about  things  like  near  and 
 suey  because  they  have 

436
00:22:17,260 --> 00:22:20,440
 actually  gained  TVL  I'm  not
 talking  about  suey  on  my 

437
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,940
 timeline  again.  I 
 love  them.  They 

438
00:22:22,940 --> 00:22:24,580
 were  all  over  Paris  by  the
 way  in  the  blockchain  week 

439
00:22:24,580 --> 00:22:28,040
 all  over  Now  they  are 
 still  early  on  the  adoption

440
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,520
 cycle  I  would  say  near  has
 got  a  lot  of  users  because

441
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,680
 it  has  one  game  on  it 
 Which  a  lot  of  people  play

442
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,620
 but  they're  still  relatively
 early  But  I  would  say  that

443
00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:37,000
 they  you  know  you  could 
 argue  that  they  are  still 

444
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,260
 on  that  adoption  cycle  and 
 people  are  bullish  on  both 

445
00:22:39,260 --> 00:22:42,080
 of  those  stories  So  we  has
 got  a  lot  of  TVL  versus  a

446
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,040
 lot  of  the  other  chains 
 Like  it's  got  hundreds  of 

447
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,300
 millions  of  TVL  versus  a 
 lot  of  these  which  have 

448
00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:49,180
 basically  nothing  But  I 
 would  still  say  the  use 

449
00:22:49,180 --> 00:22:51,040
 cases  of  suey  are  a  little
 bit  limited  They  have 

450
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,440
 they've  had  some  big  brand 
 partnerships  randomly  like  I

451
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,020
 think  they  did  partnership 
 with  bite  dance  actually 

452
00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:58,960
 the  other  day  or  Which  is 
 the  owner  of  tiktok?  Which 

453
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,540
 is  kind  of  random,  but 
 yeah,  I  would  say  those 

454
00:23:01,540 --> 00:23:04,380
 two  are  okay  on  that  on 
 that  cycle  and  then  I 

455
00:23:04,380 --> 00:23:09,920
 would  say  You  could  you 
 could  say  a  vax  is  Maybe 

456
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,320
 getting  there  as  well  like 
 it's  a  bit,  you  know  never

457
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,780
 really  caught  on  as  It's 
 got  a  few  catalysts  or 

458
00:23:15,780 --> 00:23:17,380
 like  shrapnel.  I 
 think  like  some  of  the 

459
00:23:17,380 --> 00:23:20,700
 gaming  sides  true  catalyst 
 them  So  the  only  two  that 

460
00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:23,320
 have  like  who  which  died 
 from  the  last  cycle  and 

461
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,380
 came  back  other  than  slana 
 Which  I  think  it's  really 

462
00:23:25,380 --> 00:23:28,200
 come  back  I  would  say  that
 would  maybe  bet  on  is  like

463
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,840
 phantom  and  because  they 
 may  be  having  this  new 

464
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,540
 Sonic  upgrade  coming  in  the
 summer  and  people  could 

465
00:23:33,540 --> 00:23:36,960
 argue  that  that's  gonna  be 
 a  big  a  big  They're  gonna 

466
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,160
 have  the  highest  tps  for  a
 while  there  and  people  will

467
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,140
 say  a  lot  of  people  to 
 use  it  again  But  they 

468
00:23:41,140 --> 00:23:43,500
 don't  really  have  that  many
 users  or  TVL  right  now  So 

469
00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:46,740
 you  could  argue  that  that's
 a  riskier  one  or  it's  um 

470
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,420
 Or  is  avalanche  like  I 
 said  because  because  people 

471
00:23:50,420 --> 00:23:51,900
 can  argue,  you  know,  they 
 have  a  bit  of  a  gaming 

472
00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:54,300
 thing  going  on  They  have 
 they  have  a  few  things  but

473
00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:56,500
 they  never  really  hit 
 properly  and  they  they  do 

474
00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:58,780
 have  some  memes  They  do 
 have  some  building  that 

475
00:23:58,780 --> 00:24:02,920
 defies  decent  ish  I  would 
 say  so  those  are  the  ones 

476
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,160
 other  than  that  if  you're 
 owning  one  like  Just  have 

477
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,240
 real  real  questions  about 
 what  you  want  I  don't  know

478
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,460
 if  I'm  missing  any  major 
 ones  there  But  like  that's 

479
00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:12,400
 and  that's  the  same  for 
 narratives  as  well  If  you 

480
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,740
 were  waiting  for  the  bull 
 market  to  see  users  in 

481
00:24:14,740 --> 00:24:19,000
 your  defy  protocol  AI 
 protocol  fucking  Whatever 

482
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,580
 narrative  you  want  to  go 
 for  social  fire  like  if 

483
00:24:21,580 --> 00:24:23,260
 you're  waiting  for  the  bull
 run,  it's  happened  Right, 

484
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,180
 you've  not  got  the  users 
 so  like  move  to  one  of 

485
00:24:26,180 --> 00:24:30,620
 the  ones  is  down  40 % 
 which  has  that  Oh,  he 

486
00:24:30,620 --> 00:24:33,900
 changed  his  record  that  he 
 won  last  week  I  was 

487
00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:37,440
 bullish  on  save  for  the 
 for  the  for  the  tech  they 

488
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,680
 never  picked  up  To  never 
 happen  the  v2  launch  got 

489
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,520
 delayed  they  never  picked 
 up  the  TVL  They  never 

490
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,400
 picked  up  the  users  They 
 had  a  bit  of  an  NFT  thing

491
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,280
 going  for  a  while  and  they
 still  have  a  weirdly 

492
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,660
 inactive  NFT  community  But 
 it's  not  happening  and  that

493
00:24:51,660 --> 00:24:54,140
 that  foundation  has  been 
 damp  dumping  the  hell  out 

494
00:24:54,140 --> 00:24:56,320
 of  this  token  Yeah,  that's 
 what  I  was  they  guys  say 

495
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,940
 like  I  heard  one  of  the 
 founders  is  like  max 

496
00:24:57,940 --> 00:25:01,740
 dumping  his  shit  That  if 
 Monad  launches  at  100 

497
00:25:01,740 --> 00:25:04,640
 million  I  was  gonna  say 
 didn't  mention  my  bags  dude

498
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,740
 If  Monad  if  Monad  launches 
 at  like,  you  know  50 

499
00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:10,880
 billion  plus  people  get 
 bullish  But  um  because  say 

500
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,500
 is  very  similar  other  than 
 that  like  I  think  I've  got

501
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:15,180
 to  be  less  bullish  on 
 Monad  because  it  just 

502
00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:19,100
 hasn't  Hasn't  picked  up 
 Have  you  seen  the  animal 

503
00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,600
 that  that  drag  guy  keeps 
 tweeting  about  dude.  Have 

504
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,160
 you  seen  that  thing?  I 
 don't  know  dude  fucking 

505
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,020
 whatever  thread  guy  say  on 
 timeline.  I 

506
00:25:27,020 --> 00:25:41,680
 don't  I  My  bags  are  going 
 to  50  billion  right  right 

507
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,060
 like  that  that  would  be 
 not  bad.  I 

508
00:25:44,060 --> 00:25:46,320
 mean,  you  know,  that  was 
 what's  we  didn't  get  We 

509
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:52,960
 didn't  get  look  on  my  dad 
 You  guys  are  gonna  have  to

510
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,640
 put  it  and  I'm  gonna  have 
 to  defend  it  it's  gonna  be

511
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,540
 a  bag  wars.  I 
 love  that  I'm  kind  of 

512
00:25:57,540 --> 00:26:07,640
 excited  for  that  anyways 
 It's  so  funny  Anyway, 

513
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,900
 speaking  of  bags  blast  is 
 another  one  that's  going  to

514
00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:13,860
 be  pretty  big  the  month  of
 May  is  around  the  corner 

515
00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:16,100
 But  that's  not  what  I  want
 to  talk  about  on  blast.  I 

516
00:26:16,108 --> 00:26:17,340
 want  to  talk  about  the 
 fact  that  over  you  just 

517
00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:22,120
 made  two  million  dollars 
 Ovi  what  the  hell  I  was 

518
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:22,960
 home.  I 
 was  away.  I 

519
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,620
 wasn't  my  mom's  for  brunch.
 I 

520
00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:26,380
 said  drop  it  You  know,  I'm
 a  fan  of  your  art.  I 

521
00:26:26,380 --> 00:26:27,780
 was  super  excited  I  was 
 like  fucking  like  I'll  get 

522
00:26:27,780 --> 00:26:29,520
 blast  exposure  through 
 fantasy  top  and  like  these 

523
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,400
 dabs  I  was  like,  fuck  it. 
 I'll 

524
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,740
 get  like  Ovi's  art.  I 
 guess  his  blast  exposure 

525
00:26:32,740 --> 00:26:36,380
 and  I  missed  it  And  you 
 seemingly  bought  a  zombie 

526
00:26:36,380 --> 00:26:37,940
 over  the  weekend  as  well. 
 So 

527
00:26:38,919 --> 00:26:41,260
 So  tell  us  run  me  through 
 this  because  this  is  like 

528
00:26:41,979 --> 00:26:44,360
 Probably  if  I  got  this 
 understood  this  right  the 

529
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:47,480
 best  use  of  the  cross  of 
 art  and  D5  have  ever  seen 

530
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,800
 in  this  industry  So  so  you
 run  us  through  this.  What 

531
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,080
 is  pack?  Right? 
 Yes?  For 

532
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,660
 the  record  For  the  record, 
 I  did  not  make  two  million

533
00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:03,220
 dollars,  but  There's  an 
 app.  There's 

534
00:27:03,220 --> 00:27:09,900
 a  DAP  on  blast  called 
 blaster  BL  ASTR  and  They 

535
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:12,720
 had  this  cool  feature  which
 is  refundable  NFTs.  So 

536
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,500
 you  can  buy  an  FT  or  you 
 can  create  an  NFT  And  you 

537
00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:18,600
 can  make  it  refundable  and 
 you  can  set  a  time  period 

538
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,480
 after  which  it  is 
 refundable.  So 

539
00:27:21,620 --> 00:27:23,840
 I  sold  this  NFT  is  in 
 addition  of  three  thousand 

540
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,040
 three  hundred  thirty  three 
 and  After  28  days,  it's 

541
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,780
 refundable.  So 
 it  means  anyone  who  buys 

542
00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:33,000
 it  now  They  have  to  hold 
 on  to  it  and  that  that 

543
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,800
 eith  goes  into  a  pool  and 
 After  28  days,  they're  able

544
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,820
 to  refund  it  and  take 
 their  eith  back  out  the 

545
00:27:38,820 --> 00:27:42,380
 pool  basically  So  it's 
 pretty  cool  like  it's  like 

546
00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:45,220
 kind  of  makes  the  NFT 
 unruggable  and  I  kind  of 

547
00:27:45,220 --> 00:27:47,000
 liked  it  It's  like  well, 
 whatever.  It's 

548
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,080
 like  it  there's  a  there's 
 definitely  like  a  Nice 

549
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,740
 feeling  about  creating  art 
 and  selling  it  But 

550
00:27:51,740 --> 00:27:54,360
 obviously  if  you  do  it  too
 much  then  you  dilute  your 

551
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:56,740
 own  supply  and  then  you 
 know  people  lose  money  on 

552
00:27:56,740 --> 00:27:58,380
 it  And  then  they  just  go, 
 you  know,  what's  going  on 

553
00:27:58,380 --> 00:27:59,660
 here?  Whereas 
 with  this  you  can  like 

554
00:27:59,660 --> 00:28:01,520
 create  stuff  and  then 
 people  don't  want  it 

555
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,260
 anymore.  They 
 can  just  refund  it  And  it 

556
00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:06,000
 has  the  ability  to  do  that
 now  the  reason  why  I  think

557
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,860
 it  sold  out  so  fast  is 
 because  people  are  obviously

558
00:28:08,860 --> 00:28:12,900
 farming  gold  on  blast  right
 now  and  Blaster  is  one  of 

559
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:14,960
 the  DAPs  that  has  been 
 given  some  gold.  So 

560
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,000
 When  you  create  a 
 collection  here  the  creator 

561
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,100
 has  the  option  to  Pick  how
 much  gold  gets  distributed 

562
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:24,420
 to  the  collectors  and  I 
 just  picked  a  hundred 

563
00:28:24,420 --> 00:28:25,900
 percent  so  a  hundred 
 percent  of  the  gold  that  I

564
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:30,820
 get  from  Whatever  it  is 
 like  The  only  thing  the 

565
00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:34,100
 only  thing  that  I  get  in 
 this  situation  Is  I  get 

566
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:39,380
 the  blast  native  yield  on 
 the  TVL  So  farming  it's 

567
00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:42,920
 like  this  is  genius.  So 
 you're  farming  blast  by 

568
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,980
 just  creating  art  You  can 
 farm  blast  by  creating  art.

569
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,400
 Yeah, 
 maybe  there'll  be  other 

570
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,840
 airdrops  I  don't  know  if 
 they'll  be  other  that  have 

571
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,860
 created  airdrops  for  gold. 
 There's 

572
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:54,600
 a  possibility  for  that 
 everyone  who  collects  it 

573
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,820
 farms  gold  as  well  and 
 they  can  get  their  money 

574
00:28:56,820 --> 00:29:01,140
 back  after  28  days  and  The
 creator  also  gets  the  yield

575
00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:02,840
 on  it.  So 
 it's  not  really  a  lot  of 

576
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,220
 money  like  I'd  make  4 %  on
 So  what  if  nobody  refunds 

577
00:29:07,220 --> 00:29:09,680
 refunds  you  keep  the  funds 
 that  are  not  refunded  No, 

578
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,380
 so  it's  if  nobody  refunds 
 it  stays  into  that  put  in 

579
00:29:12,380 --> 00:29:15,940
 that  pool  and  I  just  earn 
 The  yield  you  know  blast 

580
00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:21,520
 has  native  yield  right?  I'd
 earn  like  3 .5 %  on  that 

581
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,980
 money  Whatever's  left  in 
 the  pool  What  you  can  and 

582
00:29:26,980 --> 00:29:29,320
 people  while  people  keep 
 their  NFT  Yeah,  but  if  you

583
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,420
 want  to  be  on  less  the 
 refund  if  you  refund  that 

584
00:29:31,420 --> 00:29:33,780
 you  lose  your  NFT  Yeah,  so
 the  supply  goes  lower.  Yeah

585
00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:37,040
 What  you  can  do  is  you 
 can  upgrade  your  NFT  which 

586
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,220
 makes  it  non  refundable  and
 And  if  you  do  that  the 

587
00:29:41,220 --> 00:29:43,740
 idea  is  like,  you  know,  if
 I  said  something  like  Oh, 

588
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,560
 everyone  who  upgrades  that 
 NFT  will  get  some  benefit 

589
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,300
 and  everyone  goes  and  does 
 it  then  that  then  that 

590
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:52,800
 money  is  released  to  me  um
 And  what  happens  if  I  buy 

591
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,940
 on  secondary  because  I 
 notice  it's  always  available

592
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,340
 It's  the  same  thing,  but 
 you  have  to  just  make  sure

593
00:29:57,340 --> 00:29:59,480
 what  you  buy  on  secondary 
 isn't  an  FT  That's  already 

594
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,780
 been  upgraded  because  it's 
 if  it's  already  been 

595
00:30:01,780 --> 00:30:03,640
 upgraded  and  you  buy  on 
 secondary  then  you  can't 

596
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,620
 return  it  So  it  does  say 
 here  so  just  for  people  to

597
00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:08,860
 pay  attention,  please  only 
 five  of  them  have  been 

598
00:30:08,860 --> 00:30:12,920
 upgraded  so  far  So  make 
 sure  it's  not  upgraded  if 

599
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,960
 you're  trying  to  buy  it, 
 right?  So 

600
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,020
 What's  the  upside  of  buying
 this  on  the  secondary 

601
00:30:18,020 --> 00:30:20,080
 because  I  missed  it  and 
 it's  close  to  mint  you  may

602
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,520
 you  may  get  a  distribution 
 of  blast  gold  interesting, 

603
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,520
 okay,  like  what  might 
 happen  is  they  as  um  Last 

604
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,300
 you're  like,  okay,  we're 
 gonna  give  blast  gold  to 

605
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:32,960
 these  projects  And  then  I 
 think  then  go  to  the 

606
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,880
 holders  of  those  NFTs.  So 
 it's  kind  of  like  It's  not

607
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,840
 risk -free  like  obviously  if
 blast,  you  know,  if 

608
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,820
 something  happens  with  the 
 um  the  platform  or 

609
00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:44,280
 something  rugs  you  would 
 lose  your  money  it's  also 

610
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,660
 really  just  opportunity  cost
 it's  like  You  know  if  you 

611
00:30:47,660 --> 00:30:50,780
 spent  0 .169  eth  on  this 
 But  you  don't  have  access 

612
00:30:50,780 --> 00:30:52,640
 to  that  for  28  days.  Could
 you  have  made  more  money 

613
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,820
 with  that  in  28  days 
 before  getting  your  money 

614
00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:57,580
 back?  so 
 it  maybe  makes  sense  if 

615
00:30:57,580 --> 00:31:00,940
 you  are  fine  with  the 
 smart  contract  risk  and  the

616
00:31:01,420 --> 00:31:04,380
 levels  of  centralized  risks 
 and  You  just  have  money 

617
00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:06,600
 you  are  keeping  in  the 
 east  anyway  It's  kind  of 

618
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,160
 like  a  way  of  staking  the 
 east  if  you  like  for  blast

619
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,280
 gold  potentially  Got  it. 
 Okay. 

620
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,920
 Interesting.  Very 
 interesting.  Wait 

621
00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:17,560
 Man,  we  There's  there's 
 levels  of  Ponzi's  being 

622
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,740
 built  in  this  industry.  I 
 have  to  say  I'm  impressed 

623
00:31:21,740 --> 00:31:23,880
 not  by  you.  You 
 you  you're  participating 

624
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,780
 like  like  to  the  you're 
 actually  I  think  this  is 

625
00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:29,020
 You  may  inspire  a  lot  of 
 artists  to  get  involved  in 

626
00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:32,340
 this  This  is  actually 
 genius  It's  cool.  I 

627
00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:33,840
 just  like  the  idea  of  like
 being  able  to  create 

628
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,360
 something  and  if  someone's 
 like  no,  I  don't  like  this

629
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,500
 anymore  They  can  just 
 return  it  and  then  I  love 

630
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:40,600
 I  love  the  concept  of  that
 It's  like  on  you.  It's 

631
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,400
 like  less  pressure  because 
 it's  not  like  you're  making

632
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,020
 the  500  something  eth  It's 
 like  oh,  you  have  to 

633
00:31:44,020 --> 00:31:45,980
 you're  like  you're  not 
 yeah,  but  you're  gonna  get 

634
00:31:45,980 --> 00:31:48,080
 a  bit  of  yield  And  then 
 maybe  further  down  the  line

635
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,540
 I  could  be  like,  okay.  I'm
 gonna  create  this  thing  And

636
00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:53,740
 in  order  to  access  it  you 
 have  to  upgrade  this  NFT 

637
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,400
 And  then  if  everyone  does 
 it  then  I  get  that  eith 

638
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,900
 back.  I 
 should  do  get  that  eith 

639
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:01,480
 that  makes  sense  So  I 
 don't  have  an  idea  for  it 

640
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,620
 But  you  know,  maybe  in  the
 future  if  I  do  That  I  can

641
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:07,120
 do  that  and  that  cool 
 here's  a  new  min  This  will

642
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,560
 be  if  you  have  upgraded 
 your  your  pack  rex  you'll 

643
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,880
 be  on  the  allow  this 
 person  you  may  So  I  will 

644
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,240
 release  that  eith  to  me  So
 it's  funny.  So 

645
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,220
 now  I  see  what  you  did 
 because  I  I'd  seen  this 

646
00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:19,400
 that  said  the  same  thing 
 with  photography  that  he 

647
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,200
 took  And  then  Cyrus  I 
 should  do  this  with  baby 

648
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:30,500
 pictures  That's  uh  Group  by
 your  pictures  season  two  It

649
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,540
 did  I  mean,  hey  like 
 there's  this  big  utility 

650
00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:34,500
 there.  All 
 right.  Well, 

651
00:32:34,580 --> 00:32:36,720
 that's  that's  that's  super 
 interesting  I  love  that. 

652
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,900
 Look, 
 there's  a  bunch  of  stuff  I

653
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:40,140
 want  to  dive  into  today 
 But  obviously  like  nature 

654
00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:41,620
 of  the  show  today  is  a 
 little  different.  We 

655
00:32:41,620 --> 00:32:43,640
 had  to  Finish  a  forward  a 
 bit.  I 

656
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,520
 do  want  to  talk  more  about
 the  consensus  versus  SCC 

657
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,400
 stuff  going  on  Tomorrow 
 over  I  did  want  to  dive  a

658
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,100
 little  deeper  about  some 
 questions  I  had  for  mando 

659
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:52,460
 today  that  he  answered 
 Well,  but  Chris  your 

660
00:32:52,460 --> 00:32:54,140
 thoughts  on  the  Japanese 
 and  everything  there  and 

661
00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:56,240
 then  of  course  We  want  to 
 talk  about  the  fact  that 

662
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,580
 with  week  to  40  dollars  on
 the  buy  bit  listing  this 

663
00:32:58,580 --> 00:33:01,380
 morning  So  we're  gonna  have
 to  fill  that  with  uh,  and 

664
00:33:01,380 --> 00:33:04,160
 then  We're  gonna  that's  a 
 new  week.  That's 

665
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,120
 the  next  level  week  to 
 fill  obi  That  three  four 

666
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,100
 dollar  one  was  crazy 
 imagine  a  four  dollar  one 

667
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:11,840
 And  of  course  I  want  to 
 talk  more  about  my 

668
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,220
 beautiful  ruins  because 
 those  are  fucking  cooking  I

669
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:16,180
 mean  a  hundred  million 
 dollar  market  cap  gain  this

670
00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:17,140
 weekend.  I 
 think  on  rs.  I 

671
00:33:17,140 --> 00:33:20,400
 see  less  fucking  go  I've 
 never  been  more  bullish  uh 

672
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,200
 on  uh,  no,  I  have  been 
 but  I'm  very  bullish  on 

673
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,240
 that  team  in  jambarro  But 
 this  is  weekend.  But 

674
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:25,520
 anyways
