I just had to observe one minute of silence before the show
started. For our fallen soldier, today is
a very sad day for for rug radio.
Today is a very sad day for for, for rec Guy.
Today is a very sad day for FOMO hour, formerly known as GM Web
3. Formerly known as GMNFTS,
formerly known as smoking Jackets.
If we want to go that far, you know today, in, in, in, in this
bull market's first major correction, we have lost.
We have lost one of our greatest most fearless bulls.
We have lost a man that that accepted to step into a ring
with the man 10 inches taller than him in the in in in the
middle of the the the desert of Dubai.
We we we we lost a man that that you know that that that is
growing his hair to lengths never seen before.
I mean, Mando, you know, top family member of of our fallen
soldier, you know, how are you this morning?
How you feeling? It's an emotional day.
I woke up, it just felt like any
other day. It felt like any other day
today. And then I saw Bitcoin just
slowly go lower. And then I I I opened up my
chats and I it's just disaster. Like I I don't know how he has
to describe it just just got me really emotional.
He's been with us for so long and I just don't know.
I'm just not going to see him again.
And it just feels, it just feels really emotional at this at this
stage. Yeah it's a it's a rare
occurrence that we saw you you know bull posting saying you're
long and we saw our fallen soldier who I shall not name you
I. Just did it because it just felt
like the right time, you know, Like it just felt as though a
rebirth. As one life dies, another
begins. Lana's hitting 82 as we speak.
A. 100. He would have looked.
He would have looked if he was alive.
I. Believe he carried us through
$800 E carried us through 11 red channels in a row.
Anyways. Anyways, anyways, I think I
think that was a good memorial. And yo-yo yo-yo yo-yo, what up?
What up? Good morning.
Good morning GMG Tuesday, January 23rd, 2023.
Look at that. Another beautiful date,
beautiful day. Sorry I had to run it back
because that is definitely not the vibe I'm looking for here
this morning. And I love how Ovi on video was
eating this entire time as Mando and I I was just riffing off,
totally improvising. By the way, did not tell anybody
anything before going on. Ovi.
Mando. Good morning.
Was he just eating lemons, by the way?
Was he back eating a lemon? Is cheese.
I was eating cheese. Oh my God, it's so funny.
I love snacking on cheese, by the way.
I was like my snack of choice every day.
Good snack. Cheese is good snack.
It's. Healthy snack, by the way.
Oh, how you doing this morning? Yeah, I'm good.
Yeah, feeling good. On On a more positive note, you
know formal hour hits its hit. Its 2000 follower on XI was just
looking at that 2 seconds. Up only.
Up only you know. Cracking a new audience I am now
see. When's it gonna break each
price? Yeah, I mean, I mean what's
gonna break it first US going up or ETH going lower We don't know
yet. But I do want to see more FS in
the chat for for our fallen soldier of course.
So today on the show today, today let me get those topics
out market updates and moves, you know, as usual.
You know another day, another opportunity to get dumped on by
by Barry Silburn and grayscale. You know, it's really just like
another day. What's the reverse of another
day, another dollar because it's it's going the other way around.
Definitely not another dollar this and that.
You know, NFT market as usual. Solana Bitcoin is.
There's a a few things going on there actually.
It's kind of heating up if you ask me, with like kind of crypto
not being for sure. For sure.
There's a lot of cool stuff happening on that front.
A lot of a lot of great news that were picked up on Mando
minutes. I'll probably go be running
through that this morning. And then last but not least,
we'll be joined by Andrea and Antonio of Palm Foundation
actually could chat all things Palm chat with what's going on
with them, whatnot. We just did a video with them at
and Joe Lubin actually in Miami. Art Basel was a great one at our
house. They were our partners there.
So excited to have Andrea for the last 15 minutes to show to
chitchat about what's happening in that ecosystem.
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So without further ado, why don't we shake this?
This. You know what?
I think OV has a lot to say this morning.
Why don't we go to OV Daily Market Report brought to you by
Rug radio? Oh, just what's the word?
Hey, guys. Yeah.
So I mean there's not really much new today.
Yesterday we had the largest grayscale out GBTC outflow which
I think was 640 million but there was also it was also the
third largest BlackRock ETF inflow.
So the net number the the net output yesterday was just like
7. It wasn't it was still net
outflow but it wasn't a large net outflow.
It looks like this morning grayscale grayscale Bitcoin
transferred another 660 million or so to Coinbase.
I don't know like how much of that is like get get sold.
It looks, it seems like yesterday the the amount that
was the outflow was larger than the amount transferred.
So I'm not really sure, but it just seems like to me, you know
the market slower because there's continued outflows from
GBTC and everyone is looking at that total assets number which
is still north of $20 billion for GBTC.
And I guess the fear is like what happens if, you know, the
inflows from the other ETFs start to slow down or start to
get outpaced by the outflows by GBTC and then we're going to be
in a pretty ugly situation. The other thing is like, you
know, we've had the ETFs have still shown a net inflow of like
1.1 billion in in the last seven days since they've started, and
we've still dropped this much in price.
So it's like, you know, how much more would we have dropped had
it? Have we not had an inflow
created? I think that's why I've been a
bit more like bearish I guess this morning because it just
seems like a ton of people would have had that GPTC was trading
at like a $0.50 discount over a year ago and that discount is
now 0. So there's a ton of people who
are have been in the money who are able able to monetize that
after it the ETF conversion and actually get out of that trade.
And that's the part that's more worrying.
It's not worrying if someone sells GBTC to buy the Black Rock
ETF because that's like a net neutral flow right.
But if someone had like this great GBTC trade on and then
they they're now selling that which they're up, they're up
massively on it, right? They they bought it at a $0.50
discount to to Bitcoin and in that same time Bitcoin has
tripled in price. So and if people did that on
large amounts of size, they've they've really, really crushed
it. So if you're seeing an unwind of
that trade now, a lot of that money isn't flowing into other
ETFs and I think that's the risk.
The risk is that like we've had this point where inflows have
outpaced outflows, but we're you're starting to see the
outflows increase. You're starting to see the
inflows decrease and what happens if they cross and what
happens if in seven days you actually end up erasing the
entire net inflow created by ETFs.
And what happens if it gets worse than that because the
number of, you know that total value of north of $20 billion in
GBTC is like a very high number. So I think like that's my
concern and I think that's the risk here.
I just, I just find it hard to see us like rallying until
either they just stop selling because the outflows are done
and beats bitcoins at a loaner price where people are like I
don't want to sell it anymore. So I don't think that 20 billion
number goes to zero. It's probably some portion of
the way through that, but we just don't.
I mean, I just don't know like I don't know how much more there
is to go. And it's one of those things
like as the price goes lower, it kind of gets worse because
people are like, yeah, well, I'll just get out the trade or
it reduces demand for for Bitcoin ETS from from the the
newer buyers. So yeah.
See, see. I would the only argument I
think that's that's that's true. Well, it's been the total
outflow from from GB PBTC. 3.3 billion.
So the other side of that is that 1 billion of that was FTX.
Yeah, right. So the other side of it is that
some of it was actually for selling and I think they still
have a position. But if you remove that, then you
also have a slightly different scenario of right.
We could see like if that starts to slow then you start to see a
much bigger inflow picture and that rotation becomes slightly
stronger. The the new news I felt like
today was, was was the other stuff.
It was like Mount Cox is about to start distributing something
like a billion worth of Bitcoin to people.
Everyone's dunking on Bitcoin. So maybe you see some outflows
even from the the 9:00 but this morning I saw like the nine
Fidelity saw inflows straight, straight away.
A bunch of the other ETF seem to see inflows right in the open.
So I don't know like I feel as though it's easy to get bed up
on that right now. But like when I saw the FTX
headline, I actually thought that was like a really bullish
headline because I was like if FTX has been the majority of the
GBTC selling, then this is really more a temporary thing.
And we could continue to see big inflows as a net over the next
like month or two because volumes have still been really,
really high across, which indicates you know, it's still
been a a relative success. That's the only other thing I
would say it's like a it, it might accelerate, but it also
might dissipate like there's two halves to that.
It could, it could get worse because everyone gets a bit more
bad up and everyone wants to get out of Bitcoin.
But also you could see like well if the FDX stops selling then it
could be it could be signed to turn.
So I think that the FDX thing was yesterday and so that's done
that's so if we sort of see like additional outflows after the
FTX are done, then I think that's kind of bearish.
It means there's more to go. So they're like this morning
there was another 660 million transferred like after FTX,
right so and so and and yesterday as well which is also
after FTX because the FTX headline came out yesterday that
they had sold last week. So we had an.
Additional position no. I don't know how much they have
left. I think they have quite a big
position. I need to double check how big,
but I'm pretty sure they do so I think it could be then them as
the seller but. Yeah, it may.
It may well be, but. Which makes it more, but I don't
know. But I'm, I'm, I mean to look at
their balance sheet. I think no one really know like
unless you're like in the on the inside seeing all these flows
not or if you're at work at grayscale like you don't really
know like how much more there is to come.
I think that's the problem like we don't of that of that 20
billion number, the question is 0.
They have no more. They have no more.
Right, so $1.2 billion have been sold after FTX, like non FTX
flows at least. So that isn't that terrible
though So. It's pretty bad, like 2 two
biggest two of the biggest outflow days in a back-to-back
post FTX. But it's outflows, we already
spoke about this like it's not really outflows, it's just like
somebody may may be transferring to A to one of the other ETFs.
So the net, yeah, I mean the, the net number at the end of
the. Day has been not excluding, yeah
not including like 2 right? Has been a small negative, but
if it if that changes like you're still getting people, you
know getting out of it. So yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean it's, I mean sure, I guess we're going to dump a
little more, but I don't think it's, I don't think it's just
going to rip a $20 billion sale for like the next two months,
right and do this everyday or unless this is what's expected
of them I. Don't think they're selling 20.
Yeah, it's not. It's but I just don't know what
that number is. Is it?
Is it 2? Is it 5?
Is it 10 like? So 3 1/2 so far, right?
33 sold so far. A lot of people seem to think on
a timeline that like, it's the ETF's fault, but I think people
realize that if it wasn't for ETFs, there would just be no
inflows as well, right? Like, 'cause I think people are
mistaken. Also, how much, And am I wrong
to say that, like, Barry Silber and these people needed to sell
all this Bitcoin anyways to repay people?
Like, they screwed themselves so deep, so deep with Celsius and
Genesis, all this good, all that good stuff that they were
running right to the ground? Mind you that, you know, it's
it's almost like if it wasn't for the inflows that we're
getting, which are what, a billion dollars a day as well,
right from from from the the, the C9 or whatever they call it,
yeah. So if it wasn't for that half a
billion dollar coming in, you could argue that like we'd be in
a much rougher spot over here. So two sides of the coin, sadly.
ETFs have definitely been a good thing for this market.
Yeah, like, there's no doubt in my mind ETFs has been a good
thing for this market. I just want to.
Mention that because it seems like a lot of people seem to say
that it's the ETFs fault, but like there's also a missing the
other side of the coin. Exactly.
It's just like it's one side of reporting there.
That's why, yes, obviously that means you can sell your GBTC.
Like why if I own GBTC, what I sell, I own it.
The only reason I believe is they just GBTC can still be
converted in kind, like can be converted into Bitcoin.
I think that's maybe one of the only differences, but it's
really just more expensive for me to hold it.
So you could continue to see outflows, I think for a while.
Right. I guess this is what we're going
to see. I mean, look, one thing's for
sure, it's Johnny Webb 3 here posted on the timeline.
We're seeing an OSF Mando Divergent.
What does this mean for TA charting?
I mean, lads, what is going on? I feel like.
You know, I don't think we're
disagreeing, actually. I think you are disagreeing if I
I don't. Even know he posted that.
If you go on Obi's timeline right now, oh, look at how much,
Look, another 600 mil Coinbase. Look at that.
Hold on. That's funny.
That's like it's funny. Posting pictures that.
What's the next post? What's the next post, Mando?
Sorry guys, it's not looking good.
Now hold on. Now.
The post after that. Now the post after this.
Not this one. Oh, I told everybody to be
cautious. And he's dunking on you, Benny
and I, for, you know, for what? You guys, you guys completely
arrested me two weeks ago when I said it's time to be cautious
and I like at the. End of it.
Oh, that's fine. I think.
Capo. Like, you're right.
Like at this stage, this capo's just crazy.
It's like our own Kramer and then this infamous tweet.
I mean OV this, you sold your account, right?
I actually missed all of these tweets like I've been working
all morning. I missed.
I missed him. Go Floor Bear rock.
Did you see? The the GM web, the from our
group we have our own. Chat.
We have our own chat where we were talking about like what we
should do with some of our treasury and I think we agreed
that we wanted to go along Solana.
So I don't really know like. Hold on you guys, We've seen
what he's been doing. We're not talking about the Rock
Radio Decrypt treasury here. They're talking about their
treasury, different businesses, just everybody.
Knows we got hold of that, happy that we trade our own treasury,
if I'm honest. Their treasury, these guys, Sam
put it at the bottom of the thing, but you guys trade that
treasure around, that's crazy. No, no.
Yeah. Very, very, very.
Trading it, We're just deciding what asset we should make, yeah?
What happens in the instance that that you got disagree
because Mando you posted this morning first time I've touched
leverage in a couple weeks which is true.
You haven't leveraged traded since ETF approval feels like
the right time to lay before that right.
So feel like the right time to layer into some so Long's
prayers up clearly thus far you should be OK for now for the
last hour. That doesn't mean you're going
to. Get done.
You're going to get dumped on by Barry by like 3:30 PM Eastern
Time. Does he own?
Solana. Actually, Gary.
Gary Berry, Larry. Larry I.
Think I just liked some of the alts here.
I I told you I bought some, say say and I bought some.
You're super clean now. I bought some Solana mainly
because funding looked pretty decent.
In fact it was negative in in both of those sort of spots.
It's felt the headlines today felt more Bitcoin specific.
It was grayscale and then it was it was coming out with the with
Mount Cox. So everyone was like Oh my God,
Bitcoin's going to zero. And I sat there going like well
Seoul BT CS moved down a lot. Says obviously moved down like
40% in like a two weeks. Yeah.
You sell that if there's a Mount Gox redemption, I think that
could bounce quite well. So I just, I just bought on some
of those. But that wasn't me sitting there
going like, Oh my God, I want to buy as much Bitcoin as possible.
Bitcoin's actually barely moved since since I bought on that
trade. It's up like I mean.
The top gainers are suey, blur. Taos seem to be really, really
well here, but you know, the rest of the market seems to be
quite ragged, especially Ethan. It's beta plays, right?
Given that like you you we were saying that I mean I see the
time I was saying ETH will be bullish if the BTCTF events are
bullish. Sadly Grayscale also has a lot
of ETH, I believe over half a million ETH and not half a
million in ETH. I'm talking about 500,000 coins.
So you know, you know it's it's not looking great.
So therefore what do you look at?
I agree with you on the old side when it comes to this, but
anyway, so that's that seems like what's going on here, we're
not going to bore people with too much of that.
There is there's a lot of that going on.
Speaking of which, though, you're talking about Mancox, it
seems like what? There's a payment coming out
soon. It was known that there would be
a payment like yeah. And in the in the world of what
we're seeing from ETFs, I think it's they have 20,000 Bitcoin
which is equivalent of around 800 million like we're seeing
Grayscale basically coming to sell that every day.
So in some ways it feels small in this current environment like
once you get into Travel 5 figures as things start to feel
very small. But yeah they've got, they've
got some to sell. I mean the other big thing that
I think people should be paying again to do is what what was
announced on a macro level today which I thought was really
bullish but but what's been going on in China.
So China has it's stock market is at a five year low.
It's been really ship time basically for for China stocks
particularly those affected by the real estate market.
The China, the China stock market is around 5 to 7 trillion
and the government came out today and said they're going to
do a stimulus just shy of 300 billion.
Now to put that into perspective on a relative basis that's about
the same size as the US stimulus announced in 2008.
The US at that time had a stock market in the.
Teens trillions and it came out with a with a 700 million top
program to help save all the banks and basically save
everyone. Like this is a massive massive
stimulus like one of the biggest we've seen if that if that is
how big they're going to say so that is a money printed go
borough moment like of a scale that we haven't seen for since
2020. Yeah that is a huge huge and you
saw stocks rise in China this isn't hasn't been like fully
fully confirmed it's the Chinese premier I called he he he
announced that like they're going to go down this route but
if they do do something like that then that is like another
big moment for just like everyone printing money to get
out of problems And I just thought it's tough to if I I
just felt like we could bounce. I just didn't feel like this was
a super bearish day for for markers.
OK. Look, we like STEMI.
So there's that one coming up and hopefully it's going to save
everybody. Besides that on the market side
was just it was just you know good old jam Kramer that seems
to that seems let's see what's up with you guys announcing that
you'll be back now on the show. Like you guys it's not an
airport. Jesus.
He's going to come back with like a mango juice or something.
Anyways what do you think I mean OV you and Jim Cramer share you
know share share share vision at this point you know bear
brothers, Jim Cramer says now that bitcoin's down 20% from its
high. I expect a strong stand to be
made but it won't hold because not enough money is coming in.
New theme number go down. This seems to be the new team
here. When when are we going back to
reverse Jim Cramer thingy going on?
Because it seems like seems like Jim Cramer's been kind of right
for the last week. Yeah, we will.
We will. I I do believe we will.
I mean I'm still really bullish the rest of this year.
I still think we're in a massive bull market and an uptrend.
But you know, you just need to be conscious of flows.
And this isn't just like, for me, it's not just like SEC, FUD
or like you know, other just random random things we can't
really like appropriate like an amount to it.
This is like active selling in size every single day.
Like imagine, let me let me put it this way, like imagine you
have a meme coin, right? That's like $10 million market
cap and you everyone loves it. Everyone's really bullish on it.
But like the biggest holder of it is someone is selling like,
you know, a shit ton of it every single day.
And because it's like a meme coin, every time he sells it has
a big impact. Like that's what it feels like
is what's going on with Bitcoin right now.
Because so much of it, you just know every day there's so much
of it that's going for sale. It's just having happening on a
much grander scale than it would do for a mean coin.
So like, I'm really, really bullish and I think these dips
are going to become amazing buys for people eventually.
But it's just like we're also at a point where, like, Bitcoin is
in the last. I know we're down off the highs,
but in the last six months Bitcoin is still up 30% and a
lot of alts are up three to five X maybe even more than that.
So like a some kind of a correction makes sense.
And I don't know, like maybe we've had that correction and
maybe we've had that dip maybe we go higher from here, I'm not
really sure. But the only thing that I do
know is if we keep if the the thing that I'm worried about,
I'm I'm not sure where we go from here.
But one thing I am sure about is if we start seeing net outflow
numbers from ETFs and you start you see that $1.1 billion net
inflow get eradicated which could happen in a few days.
Then I think we're going to be a decent amount lower from here.
And I think that's the risk and we just have to watch out for
that data. That data could change.
I don't really know, but it doesn't feel like you know I I
was hoping we we knew about the GB TCAA while back and I was
hoping like after three or four days they would have sold what
they wanted to sell and like the outflows would slow down but the
outflows keep going higher. And yes there's there's inflows
coming from from the other nine, but that that number is slowing
as well. So you know.
Sorry, it's connecting to Mendel what he just said to us, and it
has to do with what you're talking about right now.
No, no Celsius network moved $1.2 billion worth of E.
Celsius have got a lot of money that pay that pays.
It was a good run. See you guys.
Guys, we've all died. Oh.
No. Oh God.
Bouncing Eve, Oh, we're already down 7% today.
Let's move 1.2 billion there. Oh my God.
Oh fuck. Oh fuck.
OK. So where do they Where do they
move it to, I mean. They are liquidating their whole
treasury by the end of this month, I believe, so I didn't
realize they had that much eat left.
I mean, it's OK. So this month there's only seven
days left, right? Yeah, I think they, they agreed
that they would pay back creditors in January.
So like, I don't know, like I thought it was more going to be
happening right now. I thought they'd largely sell.
Remember, like during the first couple of weeks of January they
were selling, They sold a lot of, but I didn't know they had
1.2 million left. It's funny, man.
Headline is so in your face, isn't it?
It's like, it's like, yes, I read it like five times to be
like, is that really like? So much, yeah.
A jello bite saying I missed inflatable.
I think I'm going to go get my Christmas decorations back out
and bringing the inflatable back at behind me.
You're right. I mean so much, you know, like
so much for like transparency in the space, right.
And everything being on chain where like Arkham Intelligence
can just tell you at any second like who's selling what and how
much and where it's going. Oh my God, it's just comical
this day. We're just like, it's like all
of us are just like here every day just getting ducked on.
And like, I understand at the end of this dumped on.
And end of the day, like, I have so much respect for all of us
like crypto participants because we can take a lot, man.
Like, right. If you're still here, just keep
on going, all right, Just keep going.
It's just January 23rd, baby. Episode 44.
See 444. Today's episode 44.
A FOMO. Hour FOMO is how many letters?
4 hour 444-4424. You understand?
Like astrology. Numerology.
OK, everybody just chill for a minute.
We'll be fine, right? Right, Amando.
I don't. I'm done, dude.
Showed it all. I'm not, I'm not encouraging
people to sell, but I'm just saying like 2 weeks ago everyone
was euphoric and a lot of people were round tripped whatever they
made two weeks ago. And so it's like, it's not like,
it's not like I'm not saying sell here.
I'm not saying and you know, if anything I'm saying like you
should average down. But like it just goes to show
like, yeah, don't underestimate how things can move and where
they can move. And if you make life changing
gains, you're gonna take some profits.
And that's it. Like.
Where is more than that? Where's the next mogul guy when
we need a prayer on the show? All right.
Well, I guess, you know, we shall see where that takes us,
ladies and gents. But don't, I would say also
like, we're also a lot of this is like us.
Like we're joking around between one another.
We're like, OK, let's get dumped on another day.
But like, don't just go like panic selling your whole like
life just because of like you're seeing all this stuff going.
On I'm buying like not. Everything's, you know, not
everything's gonna go, you know, not everything's, you know, all
bad now. OK dude, I'm fucking bullish as
fuck I might. What Mando are you giving in
right now? I just, I just showed you the
trades. I'm.
I'm moving in Ohio. Solana.
Solana, are Solana, Maxis here we're we're we're big man let's
on the show with Jupiter coming in.
Speaking of which actually that's what I was I was talking
about yesterday but Meow who has the so only the space right.
One of the most anticipated drops air drops in the space and
one of the biggest builders right now is called Meow.
But he's a Chad, let me tell you that.
But Meow yesterday posted on Jupiter, which is arguably one
of the most anticipated airdrops this year thus far.
And at least what's going on in multiple phases drop yesterday
that the AirDrop of course goes live on the 31st, but that they
ended up launching, dropping a launchpad.
And I thought that was really interesting and super bullish in
general for the slalom ecosystem because obviously a lot of stuff
is being built on there and obviously, there's a lot of
wealth has been created over the last year in that ecosystem.
And so what's going to happen? And I'm curious to hear your
thoughts here for the people who don't want to read, they're
launching, they're dropping a launchpad.
You guys can go see like what's what's the details of it, what
not. But what's interesting here is
that it's going to come out in twofold.
So the Jupiter air drop is on the 31st, which is massive, but
there's another token launching before that.
Yeah, you that. Manlets cannot read.
Come on. I know it's very long, but you
know what I did? I actually read it all because I
figured that we need to talk about this today because like in
positive news, like actually happened in the ecosystem, but
there's going to be, they're saying first two projects for
LFG beta, beta. So LFG is the name of the
launchpad and they're say we are trying out a lot of new things
with this launchpad and many, many things can go wrong.
As such, as we will host, we will host a lower stakes launch
1st and then finally eat our own dog food with Jupe SO1A Fun Coin
managed by our good friends. Ovo LS OVOS NFT will launch this
week. Some help from with some help
from me, I will have zero financial stake in it and
Jupiter will have 0 involvement in the meme coin and then
they're launching their main coin three.
What do we think here? What do we think is going to
happen here? Of course, like Jupiter AirDrop
is massive, right? It's as if like just so people
understand. It's as if for ETH, like the
unit swap AirDrop just happened all over again kind of right?
Is it fair to say like and So what do we think here?
They're launching it's coin first with a project to show the
launchpad works, make sure it works and it's battle tested,
Then launching the droop AirDrop.
What do you guys think? I haven't seen a deck do a
launchpad before. Normally the launchpad you'd
associate with like Binance or Coinbase or one of these like
guys. This is interesting because
they've got their airdrops, so clearly they they're going to
use that to like encourage projects to launch through them.
Probably I guess they get some sort of token allocation, I
don't even know, but I've I haven't seen something like
this. Uniswap doesn't even do this
sort of stuff right? Like does Uniswap have a
launchpad? This is this is a new model of
of trying to launch coins on chain Maxis I think will love
it. Obviously the majority of on
chain coins that we see are shit coins, so I don't really know if
that suits having a launchpad because you're basically getting
in bed with a bunch of shit coins.
I'm pretty sure this this group got involved in one yesterday.
I wonder if that would have made it to the launchpad, but the we.
Really bought a shit coin right before everything.
Newt. I love it.
I love this game. So yeah, I don't know.
It feels like a dangerous game. But let's see what happens.
Yeah, no, 100%. What do you think?
Oh yeah, I know you. You've been dabbling on Jupiter.
You've been using DCA tool a lot, right?
I think you've been dabbling right.
You don't do a little. Thing.
I think Jupiter's incredible, the EU, the UI on Jupiter is
like the UX Jupiter that the user experience is incredible.
Like I always just use it because it's so nice to use,
even if I like. I'm just fucking around like
lose everything. It's it's incredible and I don't
like. So yes, like there are a lot of
shit coins predominantly love shit coins that common chain.
But there are like real projects that launch coins on chain first
that perhaps don't get tier one listings.
And I think you know Solana, we we're expecting a big increase
in building on Solana and there'll be more and more
projects and tokens. And I think yes like it maybe
has a reputation for a lot of mean coins right now but I think
they shouldn't like discredit any of the people doing you know
some some real work on that blockchain and more stuff to
come that I think could actually benefit from you know from the
achieve launchpad and look like some people prefer to trade on
chain than they do on sexes. Like obviously people who don't
pay tax and all that kind of stuff.
But it is easier like you know you're operate like for like if
you're always operating on chain, it's much easier to just
go to connect your wallet and and transact And it is to like
send your thing to another, you know to a sex and then wait for
them for confirmations and then trade it and and then back
etcetera so. It's, you see, no taxes if you
trade on chain. Is that a rule?
Well, it's not a rule, but if you don't want to like dox
yourself, then because right? OK, but I know you.
Have to take your money out somehow, so you're doxing.
Your debt. You'd be surprised at the amount
of people who just live on the Internet and have no intention
of taking the money out into real real life money and just,
you know, fuck around online like you'd be.
Surprised wallets are also untraceable, so.
Yeah, I mean, it's just always have that soul.
No one will. Find me, Yeah.
I'm I'm, I'm proud, I'm proud, proud of all my trades.
I'm proud of your trades, too, I said.
They could have a lot of them with you, but Oh my God, it's
like anyways it's all a lot. I saw a lot.
So that's going on. I would, I would just say like
the reason why I want to bring it up today though the Jupiter
things like you guys like listening to this like should
pay attention to what's happening on Jupiter.
Like this is seriously could be something really big and like
the 31st is 7 days away. We could be still back by then.
You know it's one day everything's done, one day
everything's back. Like the market sentiment
completely changed starting next week and like and you could see
things take a good turn for the better and for what it's worth
like just because majors and stolen some the L coins are
getting decimated. It does like the NFT market is
like the it's not like all the crypto's dying like when we
we've seen that historically like Bitcoin will go down and
stuff like that figure itself out.
But like NFTS will still pop. Like mean coins will still pop.
But you have maybe in U.S. dollar terms like your
opportunity is a little lower but you can still still stack
all the coins that you're you know going after.
There's still some really good trades out there which leads me
to the second thing that I wanted to talk about today.
And I see our our guest is in the is in the studio already but
non fungible Dow which was like announced like a magic Eden
thing right? And so looks like there's a lot
of stuff brewing on the NFT side that was announced yesterday.
Looks like there's going to be a token right with the ticker sign
NFT that is going to be launched and so the non per non fungible
Dow they're saying introducing NF, DAO powered by NFT.
Non fungible DAO will be a community owned decentralized
organization on a mission to develop and drive adoption on
the protocols that willpower the future of NFT commerce.
And so it also says that it was originally developed by Magic
Eden, not, sorry, nonfish, that owns and governs the best open
source technologies which were developed by Magic Eden.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know how it works.
You know what this is? This is Magic Eden coin.
We don't have to claim that it's not.
So anyways, Magic Eden is pretty much in the business of coins.
And what do you guys think here? I mean, that team I have to say
and we've said it a lot and every time there's news like
they are really just plowing through this.
I like this. I think this could be, this
could be pretty big. What do you guys think about it?
Yeah, I think it could very popular platform, yeah.
They they brought a new wallet. They brought a new like open
source platform now for development and they brought a
new coin like Magic Eden are doing everything that Open C are
not doing well. I guess obviously they bring out
a wallet, but they're definitely going down a more aggressive Web
3 route. We like that.
We like that team. There were periods where it felt
like they were jumping from 1 ship to the other, but now
they're like leading. I think team is strongest in
many different fields, so I think I think people are way,
way more on board with that. Yeah, I think this is definitely
a case of credit goers with credit is due.
I mean what do you think? Oh yeah, what do you think this
could mean for the NFT market, right.
Like you saw obviously on the blur side, Blur did bring a lot
of liquidated first and worked out.
I mean right now one of the only tokens it's up is actually blur.
So what's what do you think this this means for for the like
overall NFT market? It should be good, I think.
You know, NF TS have become a bit the weird one because it's,
it feels like there's not really much real volumes anymore and a
lot of the volumes are just farming and whether, you know, I
know Blur is is finishing, but there are other platforms where
you can farm. Obviously there's a lot of
farming on Solana right now. So yeah, I don't know, just I
think we'll have another NFT season again.
And I think it, I do think it just comes after like a big
crypto rally. I think that makes more sense to
me. But yeah, it's just you know,
compared to like you know, if you're if you're around here in
2021 and even the first half of 2022, the NFT market was
completely different. Like there was just so much
focus on every new project that came out, so much volume going
through and people trying to get stuff with good traits and
everything. Like it was a, it was a very
super interesting market and it just got very commoditized very
quickly. And now it just seems like
there's not really any, I mean there's not a ton of real volume
compared to what they used to be.
So I don't know like I think it would be nice to see it come
back and I just, I just don't feel like you know there's in
the past a lot of these platform to tokens it would go back into
you know the Stemmies would go back into the NFT market and it
just feels like it's not going back into the NFT market right
now, it's going to to other places.
Yeah, notably, like meme coins, for what it's worth.
So we'll see where that takes us.
But it looks like on the NFT market side, just to go over
that quickly, here, let me pull up digens.
I mean stuff still running, you know, not still doing pretty
well. I did see the autoglyphs.
Do you see all that 22 autoglyphs moved OTC from from
the Larva Labs collection, So you'd love to see that.
I don't know if the prices were disclosed, but I'm assuming it's
high up there, right? There were gorgeous glyphs that
moved. Really nice ones, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're they're like, they were
like, let me show you. I'm sure Rd. posted about them,
but there's some, they were from the Larva Las collections, these
two at the bottom. Yeah, no, wait, that's the same
one. It's there was a post about him.
I guess he there it is. These two.
This one's nice. Oh yeah, very good.
Yeah, yeah, they're great. Love these so.
That was amazing. The first was cool.
So cool. So they moved from the
collection and again on the art side, I mean the Sotheby's
auction ended and and I don't know if you guys saw that, but
the cat, the Quantum cat got $240,000.
Yeah, it's wild. That is a very high sale.
I would say traditionally that's that's sometimes like the good
projects like we saw that with like Invisible Friends, we saw
that with what other projects did like a one of one sale on
Sotheby's before they launched. I don't think many did on
Sotheby's. Maybe it's open sea.
As well other beaches. It's like pretty aggressive
place to to do one of one sale beforehand.
It maybe justifies now the $4000 price tag.
For the NFT, but yeah, that's super high.
You have the I think people got AirDrop this magic ticket on for
Magic Eden, which people are now speculating will be somehow
related to the AirDrop. Doodles.
Keep going man.
Doodles are running news out. No one knows what it is, but
it's coming. They're nearly. 2 1/2 forecast
to buy doodles? It's.
Cool cats to buy doodles to buy Disney Cool cats also moving I.
Think doodles require black? Doodles to apply back.
Well, they bought knew what Doodles did do, which I think a
lot of people didn't appreciate. They bought that studio.
Great incredible buy like we we had them on the show.
Remember the CEO came on talking about?
That and that apparently has been a complete game changer for
their business like that. That business still operates
independently to doodles and makes a ton of money.
Like tons and tons and tons of. Money.
Very smart. So it's really helps their their
cash flow I think of the business.
And. You for example, like if you
were to look at that versus Moonbirds, you'd be like where's
the money coming in? Doodles now have a cash flow
generating business in the heart of their own business.
So that does help them. I think it does help them.
They paid a lot for it. But now in terms of runway, I
think they're in a much better spot.
These people get paid like hundreds of thousands to do some
of the shorts that they make. So it's just like Grey Wolf is
it? Or I forget the?
Name there. It's a yellow go.
I forgot the name but I know we hosted them when they came on
and they acquired them. It was really good and.
Golden wolf. Golden wolf?
Exactly. So that's that's going down and
they're doing the same. Maybe something to do with that,
I I don't know. But like that's a proper studio
that has changed that whole company.
I think so. Yeah, that was a very good
acquisition from them. Still going on the NFT side.
I mean you had a rise in, let me see on the east side quickly and
then we'll go on Zuki's up, back up with 7, two pudgies still.
I mean they're, they're just strong, right.
They're holding that line pretty strong after a very sharp move
up punk's still above 64 ETH. Some nice cells yesterday again
love to see that the apes seems to have bounced a little bit so
they're back above 25 ETH. Doodles you guys have seen.
But it's kind of like the Taco town right now.
It's jumped a lot from the lows over 2X right from the lows.
So I'm not mistaken. So 240 and then the rest of the
market like the on the NFT side, like even me bits.
I mean I'm seeing a lot of chatter about them based on the
larva labs pump and everything saying like yo like you know me
bits are also like that third larva labs project blah blah see
Sergito and everybody like buying them buying them up.
I saw Token Angels buy them seven more Jamie and a bunch of
people. Cool cats, I mean even Danny.
Even Danny bought cool cats, which is wild to me.
Took a took a took a break from buying all this generative art
to to sweep a couple cool cats. So on the end, depend, as we
mentioned yesterday, still building, still doing really
well and whatnot. And even yesterday I mentioned
like I think it was Tyler that swept Y'all's floor like on the
red guy front. So yeah, a couple days ago, soul
front, I mean done. That's natural retracement after
this big pump the other night. Magic Ticket is a big
conversation of the of the moment which you already
mentioned. It's up 50% today.
The frog Anna seems to be holding pretty well around the
sixth soul. And of course Ovo L Like Ovo's
project pumped like crazy after like now announced that the
first launchpad like token that's going to come out of
Jupiter, it's going to be their token.
So obviously that jumped a ton and on the rest of the side Mad
Lads are seemingly getting some sort of a pull back for for the
people trying to join that community. 148 sold and sold
this, you know, about 35% down from its highs.
So in dollar terms some good entries on the Solana NFT side
of things. And then last but not least on
the Bitcoin side, yesterday's meta.
Remember yesterday I talked about this AirDrop that a lot of
people got for like being recently active wallets on
Bitcoin? So that thing ended up going to
Porno 24, Bitcoin 4 which is like 1000, like it was like
$1200 a peak or something or maybe it still is, I don't
exactly know with Bitcoin being so volatile, right.
But that seems to have worked out pretty well.
And a reminder and shout out, I do want to give shout out to one
of our listeners actually Leinster that wrote a tweet
about this explaining to people what to do with this.
So I need to go do that so you can self transfer it and it's
kind of like a game and once you transfer it to a wallet so you
can transfer it to yourself. That's what these deeds told me
he did. That worked for him.
You it will activate something and it's some sort of a game and
it's going, you're going to be like mining rune token for
having this. So I don't know what's happening
here. I don't know what's going on
exactly. Nobody really does.
But I'm kind of liking this. I kind of, I mean, I didn't pay
for it. So obviously I like it, but you
know, there's something going on here, and it makes me really
intrigued because that's a lot of the stuff that people thought
were impossible in ordinals, right, due to the cost.
And it's kind of happening. Are we seeing the birth of the
first chick coin like that, like happening through an AirDrop?
I don't know. But but maybe you should have
bought these puppets, Mando, because you were gotten that
AirDrop too too had you done. So I know I got some I got I got
some of the error. Oh oh wait, you have puppets?
No, I have frogs. Oh, frogs.
Oh yeah, the you have the Bitcoin frogs.
It's true. So that drops at .024 right now.
So we'll see where that takes to us.
But current Bitcoin price, so bitcoins about 32 K I'm just
kidding, he's your friend for a second.
Obi was like told you so anyway, so that's about it's about
$1000. But anyways, anyways, anyways,
why don't we bring what do we bring our special guest of the
day on the show. Where's Larry?
Where's Andrea?
Hola. Hola.
Como estas. Andrea, how are you doing today?
Very excited to be here. I am like pinching myself to be
on the phone. It's like big, big fame for.
For literally for sure. No.
So thank you. So much.
Hey Andrea, thank you for being here.
Yeah, thank you. You guys at Palm Main
Foundation, of course for being great partners and great friend
of ours. The conversation we had at Basel
was great. I saw the clips starting to go
out, but that was a good one with Joe, of course, Papa Joe,
Lubin talking about, you know, all things Palm, which you guys
are going on with, you know, Polygon, and and all the stuff
you guys have been announcing right before the holidays,
right? Which is a lot.
And there's a lot going on in your ecosystem for sure, you
know? So we were Speaking of NFTS,
wasn't it? DC Comics did like huge
launches. Comics, Damien.
Hers. The currency is also on palm.
Yeah, exactly. Where is it?
Right there, you see. It right there.
Woohoo, that's a good one also. Oh, it's nice.
Yeah. I, I, I I like my, I like my
currency a lot. Kept one of the NFTS though
still on Palm and and definitely claim one of them.
So you know Andrea maybe give us a TLDR, what's happening in your
ecosystem. You know I know you guys made a
lot of announcement on the Palm side.
We talk a lot about you know different chains here L ones, L
twos. I think it's good to get a
little update of what's happening on the Palm ecosystem.
Absolutely. T LDR is we migrated from a
POSPOH chain to a Polygon CDK which is APOS chain now last
year and we're on our way to become a CKEVM chain by this
half of the year. I know that you're all talking
about Hoopiter and how they're battle tested, but if you want
to talk about battle testing, Palm is backed by consensus and
by Polygon. And so we're building for not
the next five years but the next 15.
And we're also launching A token.
This is alpha for everyone. We're launching A token this
year. I'm not going to tell you
exactly what date, but it's coming soon.
And so we're very excited to, you know, we've been heads down
working to improve the platform, the bridge, I know people were
having issues with that. So we have basically improved
all of the infrastructure on the Palm side in preparation for the
token launch. And in order to gear up for
that, we also launched the Palm A Collective, which is a Dow of
the network last week. It's a governance as a service
tool. So basically anyone that creates
A Palmydeem, which is a an abstraction layer account can
then verify up to three verifiers and then anyone with a
click through can create a Dow. Why does that matter if you
create a subtle within the Palm collective?
Because that's the way that you'll be able to unlock a grant
in the form of Palm token. And so we're inviting everyone
to, you know, come to the Palm collective.
You have a link in the in the space in the space.
We pinned it at the top of the Twitter Spaces.
Exactly. So go to the Palm Dao, follow
the Palm Dao and the Palm Foundation to get the the Alpha
as as it comes along. And the other thing that we're
doing to incentivize people to join the Tao is we opened up a
call with the with the biggest Latin American art fair called
Sona Marco. So anyone we're doing a call for
digital artists from anywhere in the world.
You the only thing you need to do is first mint your artwork on
the palm network, then create your palm ID and then submit it
to the Palm DAO Super Chief Gallery.
NFT is one of the curators and Glam Beckett from Sad Girl Bar
is the other curator. They're going to be curating 5
three to five pieces to be showcased in the Palm Collective
booth at Sonamaco. It's the only instance where an
artist can access this fair without gallery representation.
And we're going to have a sorry for the meters, but I don't know
this on feet, but it's going to be 5 to 3 feet screen for for us
to be showcasing the curator, the curated art on this fair.
Why is this important for us? Because we're bridging digital
art and why this is here to stay and why it matters to
traditional spaces. So people that are only used to
buying physical art pieces are for the first time going to be
able to see digital displays and also hopefully begin to
understand the consequences of that.
OK, wow, this is really cool by the way.
Shout out to Super Chief. Love Ed, love that team.
We've done some work with them prior.
We will be doing a lot of work with them in the future as well.
So really good people when it comes to art.
Sona Michael, I've heard of Sona Michael before.
It's super cool. I mean massive, massive, like
gigantic art fair in Latin America, but kind of like to the
world as well. Like it's really important.
So if you're an artist listening to this, like there's a lot of
opportunities right now and it's probably like less crowded type
of opportunities. So like jump, you know what I
mean? Like, go for it if you're trying
to put your art out there. Yeah, the only thing is I forgot
if you got if you get Q rated, you get a $500 grant and then
all of the submissions go to a Palm Collective low boat to and
the winner gets $1500 from the Palm Foundation.
So in addition to getting your art display, you get some cash
as well. So yeah.
OK, so the reason I run into like touchdown, double, double
on this 'cause I know we have a lot of artists that listen to
the show. So it would be really cool like
I think for y'all, like if you want a good opportunity to build
like to build, you know your name further and and be
represented at one of these conferences and big art fairs is
one of them, especially the Super Chief.
And Glenn Beckett is awesome lover art and her one of ones
and all that work. I remember looking into that
like two years ago when when Sad Girls bar, right.
Sad Girls Bar came out and it was really cool.
So big fan and I think it's super cool that you're doing
that. So a lot of artists down there,
I see y'all, I see y'all. I see Ryan Koopman's, I see
Sarah's script. You know, I see a lot, a lot, a
lot of names down there that are familiar.
A lot of even even I like tabs. You should submit your memes,
but I love memes. Seriously.
Like you get a grad A. Meme in one of the biggest in
the. World, that would be crazy.
That would be amazing. No.
Let's make that happen. Let's make that yo.
But I don't know if you want to
see. I like tabs as memes and they
have between us. But maybe.
Yeah, definitely questionable memes.
Like yo put your you should maybe always today.
It's not fair. Don't put your art in there.
Yeah, but honestly, it's it's like a really big art fair.
Like it's a huge deal. Like Sona, Michael's like, not
like it's really, really a big deal when it comes to the art
world. So definitely touchdown, that I
know Palm is doing a bunch of. I mean, Andrea's like whole
purpose is like elevating creators and all that stuff.
No. My.
Entire life is about elevating creators in the web through
space, especially diverse creators.
And I'm really happy to. I don't know how I got this job,
but I'm happy that it helped me, you know, actually do the thing
that I'm very passionate about, so.
I love that over. Here.
So you know you're saying why build on palm which is why
you're just touching on like battle tested obviously with the
backing of consensus which I you know I know they're putting a
lot of you know effort and time money everything into into that
as well. I got to sit down with you and
Joe Lubin for an hour in Miami. So I heard it from the.
I mean, we heard it from the from what it what's so saying
from the mouth of the whatever. From the mouth of the Yeah,
whatever the Mothership. 'S mouth.
So I heard it all myself, which is really cool, love to see
that. So what's the outlook now?
Like what are we looking into in 2024?
You know, of course, like we're talking about the market right
now, that's just like that's short term, right, because we
cover market trends obviously, but 2024's still looking like an
incredible year ahead of us. So what's what's in store for
you? Like what are you guys excited
about Palm Network for 20? Four, well for us we're excited
for people to just start building and trying the new POS
chain and and the new technology that we're you know putting out
there for people to build in. We have new documentation in
docs, docs, docs dot, palm dot IO for any depth to just start
building on the Palm network as well.
And what I think makes us incredibly special is we are
building for the creator and this chain is by and for the
creator. But the other thing that we are
very good at and continue to explore is how to bring brands
into the space and have them connected with their fans and
and creators now. And so we already have in the
network Candy Digit that has the DC comic, NASCAR, WWE etcetera.
So we also want to position ourselves as a network where
they were big brands for sports and entertainment can start you
know dabbling into Web three and having them transition in a in a
into a chain and into a secure space as you were saying.
We are battle tested. We're backed by the two biggest
you know companies in this space and So what we really want to do
is show brands that might have been you know spooked by 2023
and and all of the the things that happened and you know
rightly so they're skeptic again bring time with all of the
influence and all of the backing that it has and position it as a
place where brands, fans and creators can all commune and
hopefully start a new a new. I don't know if a bull, a bull
run, but a new iteration of of Web 3 where first it was digens,
then it was speculation and now it's more of a mass adoption.
And So what we wanna do is no code tooling, easy to use
systems, which is basically what we've done with the Pandao.
You don't need to speak there to use the DIAL system now.
Exactly. You can build your own your own
soap house. You can you can tailor to your
communities, you can let them tell you what they need.
And especially for brands, I think this is important and we
were talking about this in in Miami, but you know for the
creator, of course we went with three We want power, we want to
be able to commercialize, we want to be able to a
peer-to-peer. But for a brand they're like,
but why would we care? We're very happy with the status
quo. We tell you what to buy, you buy
it, but that's I think that's ending.
And and we're in a paradigm shift where now we're entering
an influence economy where the consumer expects to have a say
on what the brand is building and what they're going to
consume. And so turning the consumer
feedback into a Dow mechanism where the actual company allows
their consumers to have a say on the road map and the and the and
the products that they build and you know put up for sale is
going to be a pivotal for them to hopefully you know survive.
So that's what we're trying to do.
We're trying to have a very easy, you know, shift for a
brand to join the space and an easy and an easy path also for
someone that's crypto curious that doesn't necessarily know
how to. It's been an NFT or trade or or
all of these things, but just wants to learn more about the
technology. We also have the Palm Academy
for that. So if you're a teacher, if you
have something, something to share, the Palm Academy will
also become a DAO. Anyone can submit a class and
then the DAO will vote on who teaches the class.
So you can create your own curriculum and in the end, for
each class that you take, you collect a soul bound token
called proof. So you're creating your CV so
that the community itself will let you know if you're good, if
you did this, if you did that, if you learnt, if you built so
that we can all refer and hire each other instead of just
trusting. I went to Harvard or I have a
debt of millions of dollars to get education.
So that's another code for for for Bob.
So let me ask you something, because I know for a fact you
guys doing a lot for creators in general.
Like, not just. Yeah, like artists and creators
in general, like, so maybe someone like ourselves like want
to would start a show or learning mechanism or a course
or something like that. I know for a fact you get that's
your mission, which is really cool.
What is the best way to direct everyone because it's a lot
right? Where where is the best way to
direct someone that is genuinely interested right now in joining
you guys after listening to the show?
To the pandao, that pandao dot app is the best way where you
can, you know Start learning from us.
Out of there you'll see everything.
There you you have the the Pan DAO app basically you can thank
you. So yeah, if you go there the
first thing you will do is create your pan ID.
Once you create your pan ID, it's like 3 clicks.
You can you can add verifier so you have your mail, your Twitter
or your discord and so you can then start collecting.
You can participate in in the grant.
You can participate in a vote. You can create a community, you
can build on Palm and through that you can also become a
member of the Palm Academy of the Palm Foundation of the
different Daos and some Daos that we'll start creating.
Some from the Palm like a contributor, you know,
contributor face, and others from just the community building
their own things. And so if you see those four
things, can you scroll back up, Those are the four tools that we
have on the DAO. No, the Palm ID is the first one
because we want security in the Palm network.
You can have a Seldomimos, but at least you know that you're
talking to a human. The community is the Sodao, so
anyone can just create a Sodao. And the proofs are the solvent
tokens that give you membership to the different communities and
plan and collective proper and allow you to also prove that you
took a class, you build something, you went to an event,
you came here, you came there, you etcetera.
And then the grants are just for you to get either Fiat or token
or palm token grants. And if you scroll up a little
bit more. Up or down.
It's up, up, up here, up, up. There's like a spinning D that
one that's spinning D Once you create your palm ID, you can
collect. There it is.
Uh huh. That's spinning D That's the
membership proof of the palm collective.
So once you once you claim your palm ID.
You, you become a member of the Palm Collective and that will
give you the ability to vote on the Dow of the Palm network and
help us, you know decide how we build it, where we're going.
This is a community network and so we want to hear from you.
All of the decision making process once the the token comes
out will be happening through this Dow and you'll have you'll
need both things, you'll need Palm token and you'll need the
proofs to unlock the different votes.
So if you want to learn about Palm, the Palm Collective is
where you should go and your start building, start using it
and you know start telling us also giving us feedback about
what you want to see next and we'll start having more boats
for you to choose artists for you.
You know, protocol decisions, everything's going to be
happening throughout that application.
Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, listen Palm dao dot
APALMPALPAL. PAL.
M DO dot APP. It's all in there.
It's really cool when it comes to creator in the creator
economy. Take it for me like I've been a
creator for a long time and I I genuinely think it's going.
I'm not trying to posture it or anything and I know you guys
also give a lot of money away and put people on places, so
like may as well go and get it. If you're listening right before
the masses come in, this is like the easiest opportunity you have
in crypto to like go and catch grants.
Like take it now while you have it.
So Andrea, thank you so much for coming on.
Thank you for being an awesome partner and looking forward to
seeing you again. Thank you so much.
Me too, and thank you for everything you do.
I'm a big fan and thank you for having me.
This was great. Ciao.
All right, all right, well, that puts an end to this show, to
this quite bearish show, but hopefully Mando tomorrow or bye
will be fixed. Don't worry, he'll be like ultra
bull posting again and like maybe like a month.
But it's OK. Well, it'll take time.
But anyways, we'll be back. But with that, with that, with
that, we will see you all tomorrow morning, 10:30 AM
Eastern Standard Time, 7:30 AM Pacific Standard Time for
another episode of formal hour on Rock radio.
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