1 00:00:00,090 --> 00:00:02,880 Yeah. GM guys. 2 00:00:02,890 --> 00:00:05,390 Doing doing amazing, man. Can you hear me OK? 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:07,390 Yeah, you're great. Hear you. 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,090 Great setup, new setup. I know I'm in the other room, 5 00:00:10,100 --> 00:00:14,310 but yeah, it's good to be here. Good month it was. 6 00:00:14,500 --> 00:00:17,490 It felt good last night, right when we all looked at the 7 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:20,650 screens and just felt like a new beginning. 8 00:00:22,070 --> 00:00:24,700 Yeah, and new beginning. I mean, look, we're gonna stay 9 00:00:24,710 --> 00:00:27,440 true to the true to our to our to our listeners. 10 00:00:27,450 --> 00:00:29,710 We're gonna stay true to ourselves and everyone here. 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,820 We're not gonna celebrate. So I don't know what you're 12 00:00:32,830 --> 00:00:37,050 talking about. You know, it is October, so we 13 00:00:37,060 --> 00:00:38,910 can celebrate that we have entered October. 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,410 But I'm staying true to the promises that we made to each 15 00:00:41,420 --> 00:00:44,690 other in the group chat and then that Ovi took public. 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,290 So you know, we won't be celebrating. 17 00:00:46,300 --> 00:00:48,470 I even got targets with Michael Sadowski's like, remember 18 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:50,680 Feroke? No celebrating and said Yep, 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,230 until 2500, Einstein shit, no pump it up song. 20 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,310 Nothing. And even then I may not even 21 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,840 play the song. So you know, we're not, we're 22 00:00:59,850 --> 00:01:01,680 not going to be doing that. But it does feel good, man. 23 00:01:01,690 --> 00:01:04,209 Though it does feel good when you get back into work on a 24 00:01:04,220 --> 00:01:06,530 Monday morning. It's last quarter of the year my 25 00:01:06,540 --> 00:01:10,070 favourite quarter every year. And and here you are you know 26 00:01:10,370 --> 00:01:12,600 things are up and it's it's looking good. 27 00:01:12,610 --> 00:01:14,680 So you absolutely love to see. Yes. 28 00:01:14,690 --> 00:01:17,120 Man though is in the other room just behind that door. 29 00:01:17,490 --> 00:01:21,560 Right behind that door. Mando is right there as he with 30 00:01:21,570 --> 00:01:24,020 his beautiful construction background that I have to deal 31 00:01:24,030 --> 00:01:28,180 with every morning here at 7:00 in the morning, drilling, but 32 00:01:28,190 --> 00:01:33,230 right by my bed. Is is that the construction or 33 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:38,700 is that Mando? No, I wish I had to deal with 34 00:01:38,710 --> 00:01:40,790 Mando every morning 7:00 in the morning by my bed. 35 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:46,350 What Pause but wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold 36 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,130 on. That's one What? 37 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,100 Speaking of 1. What? 38 00:01:50,110 --> 00:01:51,630 Yeah we do. We will be speaking about that 39 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,670 man today. But anyways as usual ladies and 40 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,870 gentlemen we are on YouTube. We are live on the streams. 41 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,340 Join us on YouTube. Make sure to to to to to join 42 00:02:00,580 --> 00:02:03,290 the the the the YouTube. But also to retweet tourist. 43 00:02:03,300 --> 00:02:06,150 But today on the show today, today we got some great topics 44 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,530 as there's gonna be 1 entertaining AF shows. 45 00:02:09,539 --> 00:02:11,830 We got Octobers here, obviously talking all things market. 46 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,390 What happened this weekend? SPF's revelations. 47 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,930 I mean God damn, I don't know if you all saw those 60 minutes 48 00:02:17,940 --> 00:02:23,310 clips, but they are crazy. Don't sleep on Solana and ARB. 49 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:24,610 What is going on? This ecosystem. 50 00:02:24,620 --> 00:02:26,820 I saw some popups. I think man is going to be able 51 00:02:26,830 --> 00:02:30,970 to educate us a little more on that Beanie Benny beefing with 52 00:02:30,980 --> 00:02:32,210 Luke. And that's over though as the 53 00:02:32,220 --> 00:02:34,040 weekend or Friday. I don't know when that will. 54 00:02:34,050 --> 00:02:36,210 Ohh, that's that's cute. Who who did that? 55 00:02:36,220 --> 00:02:38,670 Who put the Luke? Who put the beat? 56 00:02:40,170 --> 00:02:43,150 Put the video look his head. That's so funny. 57 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,890 Oh my God save some back from the dead. 58 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:50,000 Beanie calls out our NFT Lord and saviour Luca like that. 59 00:02:50,070 --> 00:02:52,880 The little, the little topics This is great. 60 00:02:53,110 --> 00:02:55,280 And then I will be talking punks. 61 00:02:55,290 --> 00:02:56,500 I mean there was the punks event. 62 00:02:56,510 --> 00:02:58,980 Just last minute addition to the topics. 63 00:02:58,990 --> 00:03:02,380 Crypto punks meet up. We're going to have, we're going 64 00:03:02,390 --> 00:03:08,250 to have a big man and maybe these if you mix it back on time 65 00:03:08,260 --> 00:03:09,870 to his home. I'll just come and recap the 66 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,950 event real quick. And last but not least stops 67 00:03:12,020 --> 00:03:14,610 artist Red Rum. Today I will begin with Katie 68 00:03:14,970 --> 00:03:16,590 because there is a language barrier with this. 69 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,490 So Katie is gonna come and kind of explain the piece to us and 70 00:03:19,500 --> 00:03:22,710 quickly the mint mechanism. Then the show about all this. 71 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:23,870 Or maybe he'll come before polls. 72 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,190 But anyways that's what happened today and as usual, as usual. 73 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,050 As usual this show is powered by cracking NFT. 74 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,550 Check himoutcracking.com/rockradio or 75 00:03:34,620 --> 00:03:36,990 you're on screen. Just scan that QR code, you 76 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,120 know, it helps the show, it helps our radio. 77 00:03:39,190 --> 00:03:43,610 And and if you're curious about what's happening in Canada, I 78 00:03:43,620 --> 00:03:46,230 mean I was on a panel with bank list last week and cracking 79 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,290 everything, it was a lot of fun actually was a great panel, made 80 00:03:48,300 --> 00:03:51,390 me bullish on Canada again for like a hot 12 hours. 81 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,130 And then I saw the rest of the news about broadcasting 82 00:03:54,140 --> 00:03:55,590 regulation. I was like, alright, I'm back to 83 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,290 being hit. Yeah. 84 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,670 Wild. That is absolutely wild news. 85 00:04:00,650 --> 00:04:02,930 So does that mean I have to register rugby radio officially 86 00:04:02,940 --> 00:04:04,840 in Canada? Well, you're gonna have to write 87 00:04:04,850 --> 00:04:06,780 to yourself, right? I don't really know what it is, 88 00:04:06,790 --> 00:04:09,450 but all streamers, all podcasts is gonna have to register 89 00:04:09,460 --> 00:04:13,140 themselves or else what? I'm not allowed to podcast. 90 00:04:13,470 --> 00:04:15,600 Who knows? This says it is saying just 91 00:04:15,610 --> 00:04:17,700 register. But the next stage is then they 92 00:04:17,709 --> 00:04:19,579 sense to you. The next stage is to put you in 93 00:04:19,589 --> 00:04:21,200 prison for saying the wrong thing. 94 00:04:22,620 --> 00:04:24,050 I don't know, like where that's going. 95 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,770 Just listen. Yeah. 96 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:30,310 I mean, can you still get the? News. 97 00:04:30,380 --> 00:04:32,330 Is the news still like Bandon in Canada? 98 00:04:32,340 --> 00:04:33,750 I think so. I think so. 99 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,750 I think you still. I gave up on Googling stuff over 100 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,320 there. I I can't get anything out there 101 00:04:38,330 --> 00:04:39,550 in Canada. I don't know what's going on. 102 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,910 But listen, it's it's disappointing because like the 103 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,850 other day was cracking like it was a panel about Canada, right? 104 00:04:45,860 --> 00:04:47,930 It was about Canada. Why did decide to like double 105 00:04:47,940 --> 00:04:50,850 down in their efforts in Canada? And since we're partnered with 106 00:04:50,860 --> 00:04:52,730 them and Bankless says we kind of did it together. 107 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,640 And I left like really excited. I was like, wow, like if they're 108 00:04:56,650 --> 00:04:58,570 doubling down and they were like, well, canning regulations, 109 00:04:58,580 --> 00:05:00,290 actually not bad. You can do this and that. 110 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,530 But then if I'm not allowed to speak freely, then you know 111 00:05:03,540 --> 00:05:05,410 they're gonna start putting a black screen on while I'm 112 00:05:05,420 --> 00:05:07,910 talking about them on the show, you know, like China or 113 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,110 something. So I don't know. 114 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:14,960 Anyways, anyways, why don't we get this party started? 115 00:05:14,970 --> 00:05:17,850 But today's first topic they which obviously is related to 116 00:05:17,860 --> 00:05:22,480 the market report but October begins majors pump 4%. 117 00:05:22,530 --> 00:05:25,970 Mando, what's what's happened on this first day of October? 118 00:05:25,980 --> 00:05:27,960 And definitely want to hear obvious takes here because 119 00:05:27,970 --> 00:05:30,900 you've been bull tweeting all weekend and boy oh boy do I like 120 00:05:30,910 --> 00:05:33,200 your bull tweets. They got me going in the 121 00:05:33,210 --> 00:05:34,980 morning. Mando, what's happening with the 122 00:05:34,990 --> 00:05:38,160 market? Mark is looking good, market is 123 00:05:38,170 --> 00:05:42,030 looking good. So I think we had a little bit 124 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,880 of a self just before we started, but Bitcoin was hanging 125 00:05:44,890 --> 00:05:52,310 out around 28.328 point 4K. ETH was at 17301720 area and 126 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,600 we've dipped slightly going into the start of the day, but that 127 00:05:54,610 --> 00:05:57,970 was up around 3:00 or 4%. They randomly pumped last night. 128 00:05:58,700 --> 00:06:00,950 A few different things driving that narrative. 129 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,600 Firstly, you have all the ETFs, the futures ETF, which are 130 00:06:03,610 --> 00:06:06,110 launching today. There's up to 9 launching today. 131 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,810 So you saw a big rise in open interest last night. 132 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:11,140 Ahead of that, they're going to be buying futures contracts. 133 00:06:11,150 --> 00:06:15,680 So you saw the futures market obviously get pumped up. 134 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,990 But then just generally, like we've been holding out that 135 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,540 level for a while. Felt like we weren't really 136 00:06:22,550 --> 00:06:25,540 going that much lower. As soon as stocks weren't that 137 00:06:25,550 --> 00:06:30,100 weak on Friday, we kind of pumped then and then even today, 138 00:06:30,110 --> 00:06:31,630 like stocks aren't really doing that well. 139 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,880 Like European stocks are down like 1%. the US stocks are not 140 00:06:34,890 --> 00:06:38,380 doing that well. The dollar is higher, gold is 141 00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:42,040 lower, but still is massively outperforming across the board. 142 00:06:42,650 --> 00:06:45,690 So this feels very crypto specific. 143 00:06:46,350 --> 00:06:49,310 I saw a quote. Over the weekend, which was the 144 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,020 correlation between Bitcoin and stocks right now is that 7% and 145 00:06:53,030 --> 00:06:55,540 this time last year it was around 70%. 146 00:06:55,620 --> 00:06:58,550 So we're kind of just on our own plane at the moment. 147 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,440 It feels as though people are getting very up around the ETFs. 148 00:07:02,450 --> 00:07:06,350 There was some delaying of the spot ETFs, but you still have 149 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,960 the grayscale decision which is going to be happening this month 150 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,500 and people are kind of half expecting that to be positive. 151 00:07:12,540 --> 00:07:14,620 So that's kind of pulled up everyone. 152 00:07:14,630 --> 00:07:17,210 The rest of them will be in January, it looks like, in terms 153 00:07:17,220 --> 00:07:19,660 of decisions. If we get a good piece of news 154 00:07:19,670 --> 00:07:22,160 out about Grayscale, you'll serve the Coinbase. 155 00:07:23,550 --> 00:07:27,020 The trial, the trying to throw out either of those, if that 156 00:07:27,030 --> 00:07:28,750 comes back positive, it's really, really bullish. 157 00:07:29,020 --> 00:07:31,650 What you did see and we'll get into a little bit more, is that 158 00:07:31,660 --> 00:07:36,610 alts outperformed over the weekend, not including EVE. 159 00:07:36,620 --> 00:07:38,770 So you have things like Solana, everything in the arbitral 160 00:07:38,780 --> 00:07:40,890 ecosystem, everything like optimism. 161 00:07:40,940 --> 00:07:43,670 They've all seen big moves, Even some of the meme coins, the ones 162 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,270 that you thought were dead. Bitcoin ticker, bitcoins, backup 163 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:52,050 of 100 million, some big, big bounce in that space. 164 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:58,400 So and the unit was up like 60%. So some of those on chain coins 165 00:07:58,410 --> 00:08:02,380 robs up another 20%. That on chain narrative kind of 166 00:08:02,390 --> 00:08:05,060 came back pretty strong. Yeah over the weekend. 167 00:08:05,070 --> 00:08:08,560 So all of those coins that you thought it was over they've all 168 00:08:08,570 --> 00:08:11,820 come back pretty hard. Slang is probably one thing. 169 00:08:11,830 --> 00:08:15,170 The majority of the interest because it's back up to like 24, 170 00:08:15,180 --> 00:08:19,260 1/2 having been at I think it was like 717 when everyone said 171 00:08:19,270 --> 00:08:23,240 that the FTX thing was going to wallets were gonna be dumping. 172 00:08:23,310 --> 00:08:25,550 So that's a big, big bounce since then. 173 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,910 So everyone feeling a little bit better in that world and then 174 00:08:28,980 --> 00:08:32,350 arbitrary and optimism you have upcoming incentive airdrops. 175 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,350 So a lot of money is moving on to them for TVL, but yeah, feels 176 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,870 good. Traditionally, October is a 177 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,510 very, very good month for for crypto. 178 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:42,830 It's even a good month for macro. 179 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,560 September is traditionally a very, very bad month for Bitcoin 180 00:08:46,700 --> 00:08:49,190 and crypto in general. In fact, September wasn't that 181 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,510 terrible for us. Like Bitcoin ended up September 182 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,900 up 4%. So if that was our bad month, 183 00:08:54,910 --> 00:08:57,450 you kind of hoping that this month is going to be this month, 184 00:08:57,460 --> 00:08:59,990 it's going to be a good one. But yeah, definitely feels good. 185 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,160 Timeline feels a little bit too euphoric for my liking, but it 186 00:09:03,170 --> 00:09:05,630 feels like we could have a good few weeks. 187 00:09:06,050 --> 00:09:09,330 I think we're just celebrating October putting into the putting 188 00:09:09,340 --> 00:09:13,350 the good vibes into the into the into the right was it Amanda 189 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,710 that came and said that the market is an aggregation of 190 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,570 vibes. And I think I was talking to 191 00:09:17,580 --> 00:09:20,630 about this like this everybody tweeting October, the whole 192 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,490 thing like you know that's the monthly chart by the way on 193 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:25,430 earth. So we're actually up 194 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,010 back-to-back two months when you look at that this way. 195 00:09:28,020 --> 00:09:33,930 And then if I check the Bitcoin monthly here for us look like 196 00:09:33,940 --> 00:09:36,480 when you zoom out a little bit, it's not looking that bad. 197 00:09:36,490 --> 00:09:39,700 You know I am professional but you know and they no charges. 198 00:09:39,710 --> 00:09:42,930 But I kind of like this, I mean Ovi what how do you, how do you, 199 00:09:43,030 --> 00:09:45,340 how do you see the market play out here. 200 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,340 I know you also made some comments about Pepe over the 201 00:09:47,350 --> 00:09:48,310 weekend. I kind of like them. 202 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,450 So kind of Christ to hear your thoughts on what's going on in 203 00:09:50,460 --> 00:09:53,120 October? There, there are a few macro 204 00:09:53,130 --> 00:09:56,760 things to be aware of like we had PMI today, PMI came in 205 00:09:57,150 --> 00:09:59,720 higher than expected. It came in at 49 versus like 206 00:09:59,730 --> 00:10:02,640 48.3. So that's why stocks and the US 207 00:10:02,650 --> 00:10:04,390 are selling off a little bit. That's why interest rates are 208 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,240 back higher and you also have payrolls this Friday, which is 209 00:10:08,250 --> 00:10:11,060 going to be pretty important. Well, I think because we're 210 00:10:11,130 --> 00:10:13,790 basically at the end of the hiking cycle for the Fed. 211 00:10:15,420 --> 00:10:20,350 All this sensitivity to economic data, labour market data is 212 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,290 going to be a lot higher if it wasn't high already because 213 00:10:23,340 --> 00:10:26,210 people are just waiting for, looking for like the bad data to 214 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,730 try and save them when the Fed might start cutting. 215 00:10:28,740 --> 00:10:32,070 So PMI today was actually like a strong number. 216 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,210 So that's not. A creative to the cutting 217 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,100 narrative, but then we have payrolls on Friday, which at the 218 00:10:40,110 --> 00:10:42,130 moment are expected to be the lowest they've been in like the 219 00:10:42,140 --> 00:10:44,530 last 18 months or something. I think the payroll number is 220 00:10:44,540 --> 00:10:47,650 projected at about 150,000. So we'll see if that hits or 221 00:10:47,660 --> 00:10:49,350 not. But if that does come lower, I 222 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,220 think you'll start to see some moves in macro. 223 00:10:51,580 --> 00:10:55,510 And then crypto is just like, you know you had a couple of, 224 00:10:55,740 --> 00:10:57,470 you had some pretty big liquidations over the weekend. 225 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,580 I think it was $400 million worth of Bitcoin was liquidated, 226 00:11:00,590 --> 00:11:02,730 $200 million worth was liquidated. 227 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,770 I still think we weren't. See any ETF approvals until next 228 00:11:06,780 --> 00:11:10,860 year for spot Bitcoin ETF. I think they have delayed all of 229 00:11:10,870 --> 00:11:11,920 them. I don't see why they wouldn't 230 00:11:11,930 --> 00:11:13,970 delay grayscale. That doesn't seem to be any 231 00:11:13,980 --> 00:11:16,110 reason why they would favour that over the others. 232 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,030 Maybe because grayscale applied ages ago, but they have to value 233 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,730 each application as as and when they come in, so it's a new 234 00:11:22,740 --> 00:11:24,590 application. My guess is they will delay that 235 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,040 to. Well, it's not. 236 00:11:26,050 --> 00:11:29,560 That's why it will be different. It's a different case. 237 00:11:29,570 --> 00:11:33,670 Like this is more than they lost that battle against the SEC, so 238 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:36,910 it's not like a new application. They have to come up with a new 239 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:42,160 reason why it would not be accepted, so it's instead a bit 240 00:11:42,340 --> 00:11:43,800 like what we've got in your. Application. 241 00:11:44,620 --> 00:11:47,130 So grayscale is completely different to the others. 242 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,490 Like grayscale. They either have to accept it, 243 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:52,890 or they have to come up with some new fanciful reason why 244 00:11:53,020 --> 00:11:55,930 they would reject it. And if they don't come up with a 245 00:11:55,940 --> 00:11:59,670 new reason, grayscale will go. Large What's the deadline for 246 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,460 that? It's in the middle of October. 247 00:12:03,470 --> 00:12:05,900 Can they renew that deadline? Let me bring out my. 248 00:12:06,730 --> 00:12:09,960 They had 45 days from the original judgement to come up 249 00:12:09,970 --> 00:12:11,800 with a new reason why they would block it. 250 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,160 So they have to come up with a reason why they would not accept 251 00:12:17,250 --> 00:12:20,610 the grayscale ETF. Which ones are you? 252 00:12:20,620 --> 00:12:22,120 Still one again, it says exactly. 253 00:12:22,130 --> 00:12:27,280 It's not another 45 days to either approve the OR delay. 254 00:12:27,530 --> 00:12:30,960 So it does look like they can still delay it further, but they 255 00:12:30,970 --> 00:12:32,660 would have to. Come up with a new reason why 256 00:12:32,730 --> 00:12:35,340 they have to tell. Though right, they can still 257 00:12:35,350 --> 00:12:38,590 just delay it. No, I think to actually delay it 258 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,590 would have to be a new reason. They lost their reason for 259 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,600 delaying it essentially like their reason for delaying it was 260 00:12:44,610 --> 00:12:46,900 this thing. So they have to come up with a 261 00:12:46,910 --> 00:12:48,480 new reason. For this, the thing that I'm 262 00:12:48,490 --> 00:12:51,750 reading says they can either approve, deny or delay right? 263 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,330 Which is the same language as all of them, so. 264 00:12:54,850 --> 00:12:58,280 No, what I mean is deny it would be it's over, right. 265 00:12:58,350 --> 00:13:00,530 The delay would be right. You have to come up with a new 266 00:13:00,540 --> 00:13:04,160 reason why this is going to be delayed. 267 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,420 They actually have to come up with a reason why it's not like. 268 00:13:06,430 --> 00:13:08,460 Then we should. Give that out because if it's if 269 00:13:08,470 --> 00:13:11,220 it if that is the case it's pretty significant but it is 270 00:13:11,230 --> 00:13:13,430 from what I mean. But I'm I don't see like from 271 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,020 what I'm reading it doesn't seem like it is the case. 272 00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:18,210 So. I'm, I'm, I'm almost like 95% 273 00:13:18,220 --> 00:13:19,630 certain that's what needs to happen. 274 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:23,210 I looked into what they need to come up with a new reason for 275 00:13:23,220 --> 00:13:25,540 grayscale, which is why it's way different than the others. 276 00:13:25,580 --> 00:13:29,330 The reason for it being blocked was it's not a new, some new 277 00:13:29,340 --> 00:13:31,350 application. Like they literally need to come 278 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,710 up with a new reason that needs to be like some other remedy or 279 00:13:34,820 --> 00:13:36,980 they have to basically say we're gonna go. 280 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:41,800 So well, basically could be very important for, for, for, for the 281 00:13:41,810 --> 00:13:43,840 future. I mean their ETF is slightly 282 00:13:43,850 --> 00:13:45,530 different. It's not like any of the other 283 00:13:45,540 --> 00:13:48,760 ETFs like it's already, it's already fully formed. 284 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,390 And what you might see is if they actually have to accept it, 285 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,180 some of the others might have to like redo themselves, so they 286 00:13:55,190 --> 00:13:59,050 look even more like grayscale. Grayscale is a very big deal 287 00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:00,650 because it's not like the others. 288 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,370 Yeah, that's an interesting one, This thing. 289 00:14:04,380 --> 00:14:06,900 I'm not convinced based on what I'm reading, but maybe these? 290 00:14:08,900 --> 00:14:10,580 Websites are wrong. I don't know. 291 00:14:11,510 --> 00:14:13,160 Well, we want them to be wrong, right? 292 00:14:13,230 --> 00:14:15,910 So yeah. Anyways, you wanna say no or you 293 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,400 wanna push grayscale, You better give us a reason to do so, 294 00:14:18,490 --> 00:14:20,510 alright? Or else we're gonna assume it's 295 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,140 accepted and that's the bull narrative now. 296 00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:28,840 That's what that's what we want. Listen, I, I in September, I 297 00:14:28,850 --> 00:14:31,380 just gave up look at the price of even my all my mint coins and 298 00:14:31,390 --> 00:14:34,060 everything and looks like you know things are starting to look 299 00:14:34,070 --> 00:14:35,790 good again now. So thanks man for confirming 300 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,560 that and and it's it's looking good. 301 00:14:38,570 --> 00:14:40,520 I'm seeing more and more of them on the timeline again. 302 00:14:40,610 --> 00:14:43,740 I was calling this morning vicariously and then look, I've 303 00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:47,720 seen cold down there, cold XBT, just throwing hands throwing 304 00:14:47,780 --> 00:14:50,670 throwing claps at the bottom here of the space. 305 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,660 So I like that when cold XBT is happy we're happy because he's 306 00:14:53,670 --> 00:14:57,030 probably going to or pull it meme coins and it means it means 307 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,670 that we're doing good. So by the way man, don't know if 308 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,930 you we turned you down earlier from your thing or from our end 309 00:15:03,940 --> 00:15:06,190 but we just need to not turn you back up a notch. 310 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,350 But anyways there you go. He's laughing now. 311 00:15:08,420 --> 00:15:10,770 By the way we also shared the broadcasting now live on Twitter 312 00:15:10,780 --> 00:15:12,470 every day. Wolf love to see those numbers 313 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,250 push up right now so you can actually watch this live on 314 00:15:14,260 --> 00:15:16,320 video there for those of you who don't know. 315 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,510 Depends on the experience you prefer but it's across all 316 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:19,970 platforms and it's usually better. 317 00:15:19,980 --> 00:15:23,270 We tend to do this for a better experience if you want on video. 318 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,280 But anyways, a second topic today. 319 00:15:26,390 --> 00:15:31,340 Ohh man this man again Sam. Sorry, second topic today. 320 00:15:31,690 --> 00:15:33,160 Scam. Bankman freed. 321 00:15:33,330 --> 00:15:38,780 We got some revelation from from the famous author Michael Lewis 322 00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:41,340 and we we started to find out even more and more about his 323 00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:43,340 dirty laundry. I don't know if you guys spent 324 00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:46,280 some time on the 60 minutes official Twitter page today but 325 00:15:46,290 --> 00:15:52,720 they posted a tonne of their of their of the clips from from the 326 00:15:52,730 --> 00:15:55,240 interview that they did with him and so there's some crazy 327 00:15:55,310 --> 00:16:03,810 revelations from from sorry so you know you had you had Sam SBF 328 00:16:03,820 --> 00:16:09,270 potentially trying to offer Donald Trump $5 billion not to 329 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,260 run in the next elections from things like I don't know I saw 330 00:16:13,270 --> 00:16:17,110 some of the most absurd thing how like he thought that the $8 331 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,790 billion that were of of of your money that was in Alameda 332 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,030 researches Wallace we're rounding error because he was on 333 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,380 the under the pretty impression that they had infinite money 334 00:16:27,390 --> 00:16:31,380 glitch going on at Alameda or other revelations such as like 335 00:16:31,790 --> 00:16:37,200 his relationship his romance with Caroline ending right 336 00:16:37,210 --> 00:16:40,820 during the crypto crash which really doesn't help right. 337 00:16:40,830 --> 00:16:46,060 She was running Alameda or even more details about how, you 338 00:16:46,070 --> 00:16:48,520 know, he used to also gamble in his own casino. 339 00:16:48,530 --> 00:16:52,680 So he used to trade on FTX while you know running Alameda and 340 00:16:52,690 --> 00:16:55,400 more and more. And it's actually pretty absurd. 341 00:16:55,410 --> 00:16:57,760 But one thing that I know is Michael Lewis actually catching 342 00:16:57,770 --> 00:17:03,340 quite some slag on the timeline over as saying that it was not a 343 00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:06,619 Ponzi, but it was actually the business model would have kept 344 00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:10,300 on working and would have worked had there not been a run on the 345 00:17:10,310 --> 00:17:12,010 bank. And so that's really was the 346 00:17:12,020 --> 00:17:14,849 main thing on the on the timeline today because it's 347 00:17:14,859 --> 00:17:17,069 absurd to say, right, because I read a few threads from the 348 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:18,180 other side, I think was Mike do this. 349 00:17:18,190 --> 00:17:22,540 I was also going at it pretty adamantly on his end because, 350 00:17:22,609 --> 00:17:24,819 yeah, there was around the bank, but there was running back for a 351 00:17:24,829 --> 00:17:27,170 reason, right? And every single dollar that 352 00:17:27,180 --> 00:17:29,470 we're making was to actually pay somebody else off. 353 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,450 And they were writing a bunch of pansies within the thing. 354 00:17:31,460 --> 00:17:34,060 But Mando, I mean, what do you, what do you make of these 355 00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:37,050 revelations? It's it's this, this seems like 356 00:17:37,060 --> 00:17:38,770 a lot of stuff is starting to unfold here. 357 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,670 And the Donald Trump one is pretty wild. 358 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,130 I'll find the clip and play it for everyone once once you're 359 00:17:43,140 --> 00:17:45,190 done there, because it's actually pretty crazy. 360 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,660 Yeah, look, Michael Lewis is is like a very, very well known 361 00:17:48,670 --> 00:17:51,050 author, right. He's done a lot of load of books 362 00:17:51,060 --> 00:17:54,790 in this in finance. Most of them are like in best 363 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,230 sellers of live poker. I think his first, he's done a 364 00:17:58,370 --> 00:18:01,460 number of others which have all done really, really well. 365 00:18:02,030 --> 00:18:06,100 He was obviously getting to know SBF incredibly well over the 366 00:18:06,110 --> 00:18:09,150 period. Just before this, all this shit 367 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,940 went down, and his book is out this week, so it's 368 00:18:11,950 --> 00:18:14,600 understandably coming out this week At the same time, the SPF 369 00:18:14,610 --> 00:18:16,630 trial begins tomorrow, and it begins with six weeks. 370 00:18:17,470 --> 00:18:20,350 So we're gonna be we're gonna be hearing a lot of SBF headlines 371 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,050 over the next few over the next few weeks. 372 00:18:23,150 --> 00:18:26,480 But so obviously this is coinciding with Michael Lewis's 373 00:18:26,490 --> 00:18:28,640 book coming out. But some of the stuff coming out 374 00:18:28,650 --> 00:18:31,540 is wild and it's difficult to work out if any of this is 375 00:18:31,550 --> 00:18:35,440 sensationalist. But SBF just seems slightly 376 00:18:35,450 --> 00:18:37,510 unhinged. And to be honest, Michael Lewis 377 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,760 isn't really covering himself in a lot of glory for a lot of 378 00:18:40,770 --> 00:18:44,760 this. Like he seemingly didn't realise 379 00:18:44,770 --> 00:18:46,950 that all of this stuff was like, dodgy as hell. 380 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,410 He's kind of being a bit of an apologist for Sam to a certain 381 00:18:51,420 --> 00:18:56,510 extent, being like, you know this, this was a Ponzi, but like 382 00:18:56,580 --> 00:19:03,290 all crypto is a Ponzi and and I don't know, I didn't really that 383 00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:04,630 kind of ring me up the wrong way. 384 00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:08,020 Also, it's so clear from some of the stuff that he was saying 385 00:19:08,260 --> 00:19:11,520 that this was a bad acting. But yeah, some of the main 386 00:19:11,530 --> 00:19:14,970 headlines is that he wanted to pay Trump 5 billion not to run, 387 00:19:15,540 --> 00:19:17,830 which I think is one of the main things that come out. 388 00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:21,870 He seemed to think that the whole billions of dollars lost 389 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,330 was just a rounding error for for FDX. 390 00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:26,170 I think this is very, very clear. 391 00:19:26,180 --> 00:19:31,060 SBF believed that his. His exchange was capitalised 392 00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:34,520 well enough, and actually, actually, it clearly wasn't. 393 00:19:34,530 --> 00:19:36,480 He just believed his own high. He believed in his own shit 394 00:19:36,490 --> 00:19:40,580 coins right until the end. And that's just so obviously a 395 00:19:40,590 --> 00:19:43,280 Ponzi and Michael Lewis isn't an idiot. 396 00:19:43,290 --> 00:19:47,800 He should realise that this is indefensible to a certain 397 00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:50,730 extent. And there was some other stuff, 398 00:19:50,740 --> 00:19:54,870 like apparently he was asking for Michael Lewis's advice about 399 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,710 buying things like Twitter and a couple of other. 400 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,130 But we're gonna, I mean, I'm definitely reading that book. 401 00:20:00,140 --> 00:20:02,420 That book is gonna be incredible because Michael Lewis is a very 402 00:20:02,430 --> 00:20:03,930 good writer. So I do wanna read it. 403 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,700 But yeah, crazy, crazy headlines coming out over. 404 00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:10,010 The weekend. Yeah, I mean it's wild. 405 00:20:10,020 --> 00:20:13,990 And he was saying it, says Lewis said his answers to most of 406 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:19,410 Batman freeze ideas was no. That was the that was the that 407 00:20:19,420 --> 00:20:22,080 was the one thing I I I saw I thought was funny. 408 00:20:22,090 --> 00:20:25,450 But if you go and and I'm gonna, I'm gonna show you guys on the 409 00:20:25,460 --> 00:20:27,660 screen right now. Just for anybody who's curious, 410 00:20:27,670 --> 00:20:29,280 let me let me share my screen here. 411 00:20:29,370 --> 00:20:31,530 There you go. And if you go on the 60 minutes 412 00:20:31,540 --> 00:20:34,080 official Twitter page, that's where they're talking about 413 00:20:34,150 --> 00:20:36,110 everything. But this is the clip, right? 414 00:20:36,170 --> 00:20:39,630 And it's actually a population that Sam had looked into paying 415 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,830 Donald Trump not to run. That only shocks you if you 416 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,260 don't know Sam Sam's thinking we could pay Donald Trump not to 417 00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:49,670 run. For president like how much 418 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,270 would it? Take Did he get an answer? 419 00:20:51,340 --> 00:20:53,100 So he did get an answer. He was floated. 420 00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:54,670 There was a number that was kicking around. 421 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,550 And the number was kicking around when I was talking to Sam 422 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,270 about this was $5 billion. Sam was not sure that number 423 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,190 came directly from Trump. Wait, wait, so, so Sam's looking 424 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,960 into paying Trump not to run and he actually get Didn't men have 425 00:21:05,970 --> 00:21:07,890 come from Trump himself? But he actually. 426 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,030 Got a price? He got one. 427 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:14,030 Answer Yes. The question Sam had was not 428 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,730 just his $5 billion enough to pay Trump. 429 00:21:17,460 --> 00:21:20,570 Not to run, but was it legal? Well, why didn't this happen? 430 00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:21,750 Why did you follow? Through. 431 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,630 Well, they were still having these conversations when FX blew 432 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,090 up. So why didn't happen. 433 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:27,630 He didn't have $5 billion anymore. 434 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:31,690 Approached for comment by 60 minutes, neither former 435 00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:34,510 President Trump nor Senator McConnell responded. 436 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,480 Last So of course it's you know here say until proven otherwise. 437 00:21:38,490 --> 00:21:41,500 But there was another story with Senator McConnell where 438 00:21:41,580 --> 00:21:46,030 apparently Sarah McConnell has a list of Republicans that are not 439 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,590 pro Trump. And so Bankman Freed was 440 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,670 convinced that Donald Trump was going to be the end of the world 441 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,390 and the end of the America's democracy. 442 00:21:54,450 --> 00:21:56,190 Like he was convinced of that, right. 443 00:21:56,260 --> 00:21:58,150 And so he was investing in two things. 444 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,090 How to protect himself from another, like COVID type spread 445 00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:05,090 and everything, and how to make sure Donald Trump doesn't become 446 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:07,950 president of the United States. America because he was convinced 447 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:12,290 like Trump was going to destabilise that democracy and 448 00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:14,730 everything. And so McConnell he tells the 449 00:22:14,740 --> 00:22:19,830 story of Sam granted on the jet with with with a suit curled up 450 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,050 in his hand and shoes falling off and everything and and and 451 00:22:23,060 --> 00:22:26,180 and he asked him why do you have your suit curled up because 452 00:22:26,190 --> 00:22:28,200 because McConnell doesn't want to sit with you unless you dress 453 00:22:28,210 --> 00:22:30,060 a certain way. But then Lewis goes, but you 454 00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:32,610 don't even have a belt and your suit is looking like this and 455 00:22:32,620 --> 00:22:34,130 that. But it asks him, and he goes to 456 00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:36,260 tell him about the list that apparently McCall. 457 00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:39,620 Of Republicans that are not pro Trump so that he could not only 458 00:22:39,630 --> 00:22:42,460 fund them while he became Joe Biden is one of the biggest 459 00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:45,300 donors of the of the Democratic Party. 460 00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:47,770 So I think the next was it 8 weeks or something? 461 00:22:47,780 --> 00:22:49,240 You're saying the trial is gonna happen. 462 00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:51,640 That's going to be interesting because those stories are. 463 00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:55,520 There's some crazy stories, like Tom Brady and how much it was 464 00:22:55,530 --> 00:22:59,060 paid, like $55 million for 20 hours of his time per years for 465 00:22:59,070 --> 00:23:02,270 three years. Or Shaq or that ad with what's 466 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,120 that old guy called. He did the Larry David. 467 00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:06,340 Somebody right there. Is it there? 468 00:23:06,350 --> 00:23:08,620 It was a great ad for Super Bowl. 469 00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:10,480 It was such a good ad at the time, too. 470 00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:13,360 And it was like 20 mil. And apparently Tom Brady 471 00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:15,980 genuinely fell for Sam. Like in terms, like, not in 472 00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:18,520 love, obviously, but like in terms of like a friendship, like 473 00:23:18,530 --> 00:23:20,140 he was describing. Their friendship was like that 474 00:23:20,190 --> 00:23:22,780 cool quarterback at school with the nerdiest. 475 00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:25,840 Of nerdiest nerds that used to be like bullied in school and 476 00:23:25,850 --> 00:23:30,150 how they became like a bromance and Tom really genuinely loved 477 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,030 SBF. It was actually really close to 478 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,330 him as a friend. They used to hang out together. 479 00:23:35,380 --> 00:23:38,620 They used to be friends and and he painted them that way and the 480 00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:42,270 relationship and it was just crazy like it was just like 481 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,700 hearing all these stories were wild and and there was some 482 00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:48,730 videos and although you should all go watch the clips either I 483 00:23:48,740 --> 00:23:50,600 spent like half an hour in bed this morning watching all of 484 00:23:50,610 --> 00:23:52,920 them like 30 of them and you see. 485 00:23:53,030 --> 00:23:57,480 The effort, the ankle bracelet and them and he spent like I 486 00:23:57,490 --> 00:23:59,350 think, he said he met him 100 times. 487 00:24:00,020 --> 00:24:03,150 During the time that he had the ankle bracelet and something 488 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,930 like that. So you know, I may not read the 489 00:24:05,940 --> 00:24:07,730 book, but listen to the audio version of it. 490 00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:11,500 It's gonna be. I don't read many books. 491 00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:14,080 I've read pretty much every single Michael Lewis book. 492 00:24:14,730 --> 00:24:17,120 I think wow. Yeah, he does good books. 493 00:24:17,170 --> 00:24:19,130 Yeah. What do you mean? 494 00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:21,800 He's famous for a reason, right? So it's it's it's pretty wild, 495 00:24:21,810 --> 00:24:23,500 man. I I do hope that it doesn't end 496 00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:26,380 up being the way you said Mando, where he kind of demonises 497 00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:29,230 crypto because he did call like he did say like at the end he 498 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,760 took money from crypto gamblers. And I don't like that because 499 00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:33,560 just because you bought cryptos in your gamble, like a lot of 500 00:24:33,570 --> 00:24:36,880 people are like, he also took money from my friends, your 501 00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:39,380 friends that I don't think are gamblers. 502 00:24:41,490 --> 00:24:44,050 Yeah, well, you know. I mean like working in a casino 503 00:24:44,060 --> 00:24:47,050 and saying ohh, it's OK because they're all gamblers like why is 504 00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:49,050 that fair? It's like the the logic there is 505 00:24:49,060 --> 00:24:51,030 complete. Trust like rigging the bank also 506 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,460 and saying that the defenders had your money in the bank like 507 00:24:53,470 --> 00:24:56,900 or like in your 401K and your investment in your stock, right? 508 00:24:57,030 --> 00:25:01,300 SPF is indefensible. Opinion like this completely 509 00:25:01,310 --> 00:25:04,940 indefensible. And the fact that you can say 510 00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:07,480 that it will. Cryptos is full of gamblers like 511 00:25:07,550 --> 00:25:09,490 yeah, not clearly people here for speculation. 512 00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:12,400 They're also here for the tech, even if they have disputation. 513 00:25:12,410 --> 00:25:16,130 That's a joke of a defence. But anyway, the whole idea that 514 00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:20,120 you would pay Trump to not run it, just the delusion of this 515 00:25:20,130 --> 00:25:23,460 man, just becomes more obvious with time. 516 00:25:23,470 --> 00:25:25,910 Like this guy thought he was an effective altruist. 517 00:25:25,970 --> 00:25:30,020 He thought Trump was so bad for the world, and he was so good 518 00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:34,080 for the. The guy was stealing 4 to $5 519 00:25:34,180 --> 00:25:37,980 billion and putting into his own hedge fund and he still thought 520 00:25:38,030 --> 00:25:40,160 that he was better. For you know, he still doesn't 521 00:25:40,170 --> 00:25:42,090 think he's guilty. Look, Michael Lewis was saying 522 00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:45,390 in those videos that like, SBF genuinely does not understand 523 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,000 what he did wrong right now, Like he still doesn't understand 524 00:25:49,150 --> 00:25:51,660 what went wrong. He is still convinced that, 525 00:25:51,670 --> 00:25:54,230 like, it was probably easy, like he is. 526 00:25:54,290 --> 00:25:56,920 And I think he even convinced Michael Lewis of that. 527 00:25:57,070 --> 00:26:00,160 There's a clip of Michael Lewis saying this was actually a good 528 00:26:00,170 --> 00:26:03,040 business. Until there was a champions out 529 00:26:03,050 --> 00:26:07,010 tweets and AC tweets about all of this, which is why there was. 530 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,540 This is the other stuff. It's like it's it's just if you 531 00:26:09,550 --> 00:26:12,050 don't understand the situation, then just don't chat, chat about 532 00:26:12,060 --> 00:26:13,570 it because it wasn't a good business. 533 00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:16,050 He had a massive hole in his balance sheet and he was buying 534 00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:20,590 yachts called SMD for over $100 million, like they were not 535 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,390 using the funds correctly. They were doing whatever the 536 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,150 hell they wanted with them. And then they they were banking 537 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,160 on the idea that they're shit going right at the heart of 538 00:26:28,170 --> 00:26:30,130 their balance sheet was actually worth something. 539 00:26:30,140 --> 00:26:33,000 And it wasn't. So it's like it's just a 540 00:26:33,010 --> 00:26:35,040 complete joke. Um, some of the some of this 541 00:26:35,050 --> 00:26:36,780 defence? And I look. 542 00:26:36,850 --> 00:26:39,120 They might claim the FBF doesn't realise. 543 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,270 What he did was wrong. The SBF is really smart. 544 00:26:42,990 --> 00:26:45,160 Like he is. These these are not idiots. 545 00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:48,630 They all knew what they did and all the others are gonna plead 546 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,110 guilty. Because they know what they did. 547 00:26:51,380 --> 00:26:54,010 SVP's going to try and go down the ship, but he understands the 548 00:26:54,020 --> 00:26:57,330 logic of what he did. Yeah, I mean, look, the timeline 549 00:26:57,340 --> 00:26:59,750 did not like that one. It's in, it's in Ohh, sorry. 550 00:26:59,820 --> 00:27:01,790 It's in. It's in this clip here. 551 00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:05,230 Definitely used body. It's like when you face case, 552 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,200 they actually had a there the dollar coming in is being used 553 00:27:09,210 --> 00:27:13,990 to pay the dollar going out. And in this case they actually 554 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,590 had a great real business. If no one had ever cast 555 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,350 aspersions on the business, if there hadn't been a run on 556 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:22,830 customer deposits, they still be sitting there making tonnes of 557 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,130 money. Inside the Beltway, so that's 558 00:27:26,140 --> 00:27:28,180 that's that's the that's that part. 559 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,720 What he said is that is true, actually. 560 00:27:29,730 --> 00:27:32,470 If you break it down, they would have kept on making money if 561 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,720 they hadn't been around the bank. 562 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,400 That's like, that's a fucking oxymoron. 563 00:27:36,410 --> 00:27:39,950 That's like saying a bank works until there's a bank run. 564 00:27:40,020 --> 00:27:42,150 Yeah, that's kind of the way it is. 565 00:27:43,050 --> 00:27:46,330 Such a dumb take. Yeah it's it's pretty bad take. 566 00:27:46,340 --> 00:27:48,250 Anyways we we've got we've got a bit about this. 567 00:27:48,260 --> 00:27:51,080 I'm sure we're gonna be talking about this topic again in the 568 00:27:51,090 --> 00:27:53,430 coming days weeks because obviously he's going on the book 569 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,690 run right now book touring and and I mean he maybe has to say 570 00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:58,820 some controversial stuff like this so people get to read this 571 00:27:58,830 --> 00:28:00,860 book or talk about it because it clearly works like even the 572 00:28:00,870 --> 00:28:03,450 threat talking about how he's wrong has like 150,000 views 573 00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:05,050 right. So so there's that. 574 00:28:05,060 --> 00:28:07,970 Anyways topic #3 today. Hey Meadow. 575 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,210 So Lata and Arbitrium seems to have popped off quite a bit. 576 00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:14,190 I've seen them all over your your Mando minutes here. 577 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,010 I mean, Solana. And is, is, is all over the 578 00:28:17,020 --> 00:28:18,990 timeline. So I'll go to, I'll go to Solana 579 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,230 first, right Solana, TVL surges, search, spark speculation 580 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,250 amongst the crypto community. So the Solanas total value lock 581 00:28:26,260 --> 00:28:30,870 TV outreach is $337.49 million, its highest in 2023. 582 00:28:30,970 --> 00:28:34,590 And there's a bunch of stuff happening on Solanas ecosystem, 583 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,140 obviously, like a lot of people talking about it. 584 00:28:36,150 --> 00:28:39,870 Here's the Defi Lama, you know, chart about it. 585 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,290 But what is going on on the Solana side here, Mando? 586 00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:46,210 So what's interesting about Solana is actually very little 587 00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:50,090 is going on, but it's still managed to have this incredible. 588 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,740 Or community behind it like there are Defi is like waking up 589 00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:58,800 on Solana having been absolutely torched. 590 00:28:59,450 --> 00:29:02,260 NFTS to a certain extent are kind of they've stayed more 591 00:29:02,270 --> 00:29:05,680 active consistent. But it was surprising about 592 00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:08,930 Solana is despite, I think the daily active users of Solana is 593 00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:14,060 actually below is of the year. But it still has this very, very 594 00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:18,630 fervent community and the idea that if it does start to get 595 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,410 those things back, if it's defi community starts to come back. 596 00:29:21,780 --> 00:29:25,730 It does have 400 million TVL, but if that DFI community comes 597 00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:30,810 back, it could easily go into the billions of TVL. 598 00:29:30,990 --> 00:29:34,000 And if it's NFT community comes back and some of these games 599 00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:37,490 start to kick off, that's the stuff so stop that can really 600 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:41,590 bounce it back. So I think whenever I look at 601 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,110 Solana, one of the main things that we even asked answer when 602 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,100 he came on like what are the main applications right now? 603 00:29:48,910 --> 00:29:51,700 I have to admit, like there isn't that many major 604 00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:53,800 applications going on Solana right now even. 605 00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:56,900 It's more like they are awakening, awakening after a 606 00:29:56,910 --> 00:29:58,870 long period. You're starting to see TV, I'll 607 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,000 come back. But it's more you could catch 608 00:30:01,010 --> 00:30:06,170 this like Solana zoom out, you could catch it if those sort of 609 00:30:06,180 --> 00:30:08,730 things to come back. And then the other big one that 610 00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:11,740 I mentioned was Arbitrium and optimism. 611 00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:14,260 Both of those have got so arbitrary. 612 00:30:14,890 --> 00:30:18,680 Everyone remembers the Arbitral Odyssey programme, that's when. 613 00:30:18,930 --> 00:30:20,850 Temperature in decides. They're going to give everyone 614 00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:24,550 in the community $50 million to start using Arbitrium. 615 00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:27,890 They are gonna do that again. In fact they set the grant 616 00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:31,190 programme stage right now. I think maybe over 100 different 617 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,770 arbitrary based projects have applied to Arbitrium, the Dow 618 00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:38,190 for grants. And basically what I mean is you 619 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,650 use our application, we'll give you some origin to do it. 620 00:30:41,710 --> 00:30:43,970 So a lot of money is moved back onto Arbitrary and a lot of the 621 00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:48,470 micro caps on Arbitrium as well as the Arbitral coin itself has 622 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,380 really bounced. Um, over the last over the last 623 00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:54,750 two weeks let's say ever since that grant programme was 624 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,520 announced. But again that could be a medium 625 00:30:56,530 --> 00:31:00,850 term trend like arbitrary if it was to define what arbitrary was 626 00:31:00,860 --> 00:31:02,620 mainly about. It's mainly about DFI, 627 00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:06,200 particularly some like more difficult stuff in D Phi. 628 00:31:06,210 --> 00:31:09,800 So they're very big on some of the decentralised perk networks 629 00:31:09,850 --> 00:31:13,380 you've things like GMX is probably the most famous one, 630 00:31:13,450 --> 00:31:16,250 they do some decentralised options, they do some 631 00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:19,730 decentralised lending. But if base is as we've heard. 632 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,000 That is more like consumer focused applications. 633 00:31:23,050 --> 00:31:27,220 Arbitrary is more about defi. So you can go test out some defi 634 00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:29,720 stuff, hopefully get some free arbitrium that could be a big 635 00:31:29,730 --> 00:31:31,140 thing and optimism is going to be the same. 636 00:31:31,150 --> 00:31:34,040 So optimism is going to do another third air drop. 637 00:31:34,780 --> 00:31:38,490 They haven't given as many details, but you're gonna see 638 00:31:38,540 --> 00:31:41,030 money move on to both of those changes chains. 639 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,150 I think in the coming weeks, months, some of this stuff 640 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,580 happens. That's just that's just a 641 00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:49,770 collection of different small coins. 642 00:31:49,780 --> 00:31:52,630 But you can really. That's one of the things if 643 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,450 you're looking for, I don't know, they could do a 10X or a 644 00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:59,600 low cap that can do a 10X. It's this sort of stuff right 645 00:31:59,610 --> 00:32:04,420 now, because if one of those platforms wins a grant. 646 00:32:04,820 --> 00:32:07,980 Things can really go crazy and that will probably be the same 647 00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:12,760 optimism as well when that runs. So you've seen some of the 648 00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:17,580 bigger caps, things like GMX are up a lot over the last week or 649 00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:20,540 so ahead of this, but you're going to see some of these much 650 00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:24,790 smaller ones also run, I expect. Yeah, listen, big fan of 651 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,090 Arbitrium, like not even the token. 652 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,970 I don't think even I have our position built yet do I want it 653 00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:34,530 to in the 80s the other week. But speak fan of the team. 654 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,760 I mean we talked to the team a lot and we've hosted a bunch of 655 00:32:37,770 --> 00:32:39,750 them and they're great. I know we're going to try and 656 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,760 get someone else from their team soon to talk about these grants. 657 00:32:41,770 --> 00:32:43,320 They're giving everything they've built so far and 658 00:32:43,330 --> 00:32:45,470 obviously we have still been our corner who is like the arbitral 659 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,470 mascot. So it's a it's a great team. 660 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,350 It's a great team. Sat sat with CM again in in, in 661 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,160 in Korea. Auction week, we all had lunch 662 00:32:54,170 --> 00:32:55,220 together. It's just good people. 663 00:32:55,230 --> 00:32:57,100 They got great things ahead and they're here to support the 664 00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:58,720 space for real and they had a lot of money to do. 665 00:32:58,730 --> 00:33:02,710 So there's a lot of ARB available in the Dow to support 666 00:33:02,770 --> 00:33:05,480 like builders in this space. And I think when it comes to the 667 00:33:05,490 --> 00:33:08,300 team and like the tech team they have is really unparalleled in 668 00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:09,480 the space. Like they're one of the best 669 00:33:09,490 --> 00:33:11,540 ones out there and it's good to see that. 670 00:33:11,550 --> 00:33:14,080 So definitely agree with you. And listen, if you're a builder 671 00:33:14,490 --> 00:33:17,040 looking for tech, there's grounds out there for you to go 672 00:33:17,050 --> 00:33:18,490 and get. You don't always have to try and 673 00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:21,840 raise money and you can maybe get a grant if people believe in 674 00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:23,580 your project and you can probably get. 675 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,200 You can probably get a lot of like you know help and free 676 00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:30,180 marketing from that actually cause also offer marketing 677 00:33:30,190 --> 00:33:32,020 grants were not. So I would I would look into 678 00:33:32,030 --> 00:33:35,060 that similar to base look Jesse was on here last week and 679 00:33:35,070 --> 00:33:38,020 similar to a bunch of others but you know this is one thing I 680 00:33:38,030 --> 00:33:40,440 like about crypto a lot is the all these grant programmes from 681 00:33:40,450 --> 00:33:42,460 different deals. That's one thing I really like 682 00:33:42,510 --> 00:33:48,700 and for hungry builder you know try it's worth it I promise you. 683 00:33:48,770 --> 00:33:50,640 But anyways, next topic that we got. 684 00:33:50,650 --> 00:33:53,010 So yeah, good advice here. And by the way, none of this is 685 00:33:53,020 --> 00:33:56,390 financial advice. But but but definitely don't 686 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,940 sleep on on on Solana and and Arbitrium and their ecosystem. 687 00:34:00,950 --> 00:34:04,230 I'll go through this next one quick here Ohh man oh man oh man 688 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,600 that takes me back to my to to to my beef with Beanie put over 689 00:34:08,610 --> 00:34:11,380 the weekend. Yeah Beanie and Luke Annettes 690 00:34:11,389 --> 00:34:14,840 going at it. I have to say there's been some 691 00:34:14,850 --> 00:34:18,620 ratios that have been served around on the timeline. 692 00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:21,679 So Beanie and Luca Netz went went back and forth right after 693 00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:23,770 Beanie. I think I'm trying to find the 694 00:34:23,780 --> 00:34:25,760 tweets. Pull him up here for y'all but 695 00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:27,980 after Beanie. You know, kind of. 696 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,590 Kind of gave like some criticism of of Luca and the announcement 697 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:40,330 and how everybody was was like. Was really happy about UH about 698 00:34:40,340 --> 00:34:43,210 UH about you know Lucas execution. 699 00:34:43,219 --> 00:34:45,790 The Walmart news of course you saw like the timeline was like 700 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,690 full of it and and Benny wrote this like super long tweet most 701 00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:51,370 not going to pull it up really because too long. 702 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,590 And then you know Luca came back to him with the reply obviously 703 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,890 I think the ratio was pretty significant and then went back 704 00:34:57,900 --> 00:35:00,830 and forth out of it and and I thought that was that was pretty 705 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,250 funny. You know, obviously Beanie, 706 00:35:03,620 --> 00:35:07,280 taking the other side, you know engagement and probably gets the 707 00:35:07,290 --> 00:35:09,500 people. Talking on his end, he probably 708 00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:11,000 succeeded getting what he wanted. 709 00:35:11,050 --> 00:35:15,250 And then Luca also probably gained a lot from that because, 710 00:35:15,260 --> 00:35:16,780 you know, it's pretty good publicity. 711 00:35:16,850 --> 00:35:19,410 I mean Ovi usually you know a little more, but what's going on 712 00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:21,870 Twitter, Twitter line, like did you have some hot takes in that 713 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,440 one? Cause usually you kind of chime 714 00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:26,730 in on the hot takes here and there, but it's just it's what 715 00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:29,220 happened. I thought beanies points were 716 00:35:29,230 --> 00:35:34,190 fair, but I think I mean my view of it is that I didn't. 717 00:35:34,830 --> 00:35:37,510 My perception of Pudgy Penguins and you know, I'm not part of 718 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,900 the team. I don't, only I'm not an expert 719 00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:40,820 on it. So this is just just my 720 00:35:40,830 --> 00:35:43,900 perception as an outside person. I didn't think they were going 721 00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:48,800 for like the big luxury premium brand kind of thing. 722 00:35:48,810 --> 00:35:51,970 I thought they were going for a mainstream angle. 723 00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:54,690 And that doesn't mean you can't have like higher end parts of 724 00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:56,150 your collection. Like if you think about 725 00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:59,540 something like Disney, that's a massively mainstream brand. 726 00:35:59,550 --> 00:36:03,320 But like, certain things within the Disney World will have a 727 00:36:03,330 --> 00:36:05,400 very high value because of like, how much? 728 00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:08,610 People like the brand and how much, you know, collectors, how 729 00:36:08,620 --> 00:36:10,620 much emphasis collectors may place on it. 730 00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:13,920 So like based on that I didn't think, I think like Walmart is a 731 00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:19,090 good move for them and I don't think it's a deterioration to 732 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:21,160 the brand. But this is like, this is pudgy 733 00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:22,780 Penguins. This is not like. 734 00:36:24,610 --> 00:36:27,210 Crypto punks are like you know the right, the Tiffany or 735 00:36:27,220 --> 00:36:30,040 something like that. Like so that I think based on 736 00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:32,340 that maybe I just have a different perception of what the 737 00:36:32,350 --> 00:36:35,940 brand is to what Beanie does. And maybe Beanie thought it was 738 00:36:35,950 --> 00:36:39,920 going to be a high end brand and then and then he still thinks it 739 00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:43,870 is and then he doesn't believe that Walmart is a good look for 740 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,840 that, which I agree with. Like I think that's true, but I 741 00:36:45,850 --> 00:36:48,800 just don't think Paji Penguins is exclusively a higher brand. 742 00:36:48,910 --> 00:36:51,640 I also don't think they're like a high end and a low end brand. 743 00:36:51,650 --> 00:36:54,760 I just think they're like, let's go mainstream and within. 744 00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:58,790 Um, world. An ecosystem, whatever you call 745 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,610 it, we might have more expensive things that like die hard fans 746 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:03,630 want to buy. And that's the way I view it. 747 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,730 And I'm not saying that's the way it is. 748 00:37:05,740 --> 00:37:07,170 That's just like my perception of it. 749 00:37:07,180 --> 00:37:09,870 And you know, maybe if we have Luka on one day, he can, he can 750 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,180 explain it. Yeah, I'm still trying to work 751 00:37:12,190 --> 00:37:13,620 that out. It's just our our schedules 752 00:37:13,630 --> 00:37:15,750 tight this week with Zebo and stuff and I have to see what the 753 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,480 live shows. So we're still trying for this 754 00:37:17,490 --> 00:37:19,080 week. But I think while they also 755 00:37:19,090 --> 00:37:21,560 shared the strategy, I've been referring to this a lot because 756 00:37:21,570 --> 00:37:23,700 Luca referred this to me a few months ago. 757 00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:26,140 And so basically this is how Pudgy sees it, right? 758 00:37:26,290 --> 00:37:29,070 The content and everything. If distribution interaction, web 759 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,700 three link and then the Super fans that will buy the NFT 760 00:37:31,710 --> 00:37:34,140 that's how he sees the photo go down to the 15. 761 00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:36,640 I think this is great. I person obviously enjoyed 762 00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:38,300 watching it so I pulled it on the screen. 763 00:37:38,350 --> 00:37:41,100 I thought it was funny to see, to see them go back and forth 764 00:37:41,110 --> 00:37:42,990 and look. It's it creates conversation 765 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,550 it's good whatever. But you know I do think you can 766 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,530 coexist in both brands. You can do your network live in 767 00:37:48,540 --> 00:37:52,750 South turned $50 items times 100 and limited. 768 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,950 But you can also have your cheap ass toys, right? 769 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,410 You have some Nike sneakers like Nike did a collab with Tiffany. 770 00:37:58,460 --> 00:38:01,460 The retail was 1000 something the reseller is over 2K whatever 771 00:38:01,470 --> 00:38:04,200 that's a luxury product and it's that but it's an Air Force One. 772 00:38:04,210 --> 00:38:05,840 The Air Force One is like $80.00 shoe. 773 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:07,450 Right. Yeah. 774 00:38:07,460 --> 00:38:11,220 And so and so you you, I think you know they both can coexist 775 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,060 and and one thing now if punks had been to Walmart then I'd be 776 00:38:14,070 --> 00:38:16,590 like alright. This is stupid, but I also 777 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,010 think. The pudgy Penguins sounding 778 00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:22,530 soldiers I think is weirder than the pudgy Penguins selling a lot 779 00:38:22,540 --> 00:38:24,310 more if you ask me in the first. Place I agree, right? 780 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,300 Agree with you that. Yeah. 781 00:38:25,350 --> 00:38:27,510 Yeah. Like, I think it's like that 782 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,730 that was a wait what moment, right. 783 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,270 And so and so anyways that that's that's what I saw. 784 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,330 I don't think we need to go on the topic too much. 785 00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:36,960 People talk about it, but a lot of the time then you can see for 786 00:38:36,970 --> 00:38:38,490 yourselves and make your own assumptions. 787 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:41,480 But man, do you have any, like any last thoughts on on the 788 00:38:41,490 --> 00:38:43,990 whole Beanie Luca kind of drama that went down? 789 00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:47,400 I thought they must both make good points. 790 00:38:48,340 --> 00:38:51,270 I think they both got ratio like I think being got hard hard 791 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,270 ratio for it but I think what he's saying. 792 00:38:54,450 --> 00:38:59,320 Actually does hold some, does hold some gravitas. 793 00:38:59,370 --> 00:39:01,090 I think what he's a fair criticism. 794 00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:02,540 You can't. Well, I mean, if you can't just 795 00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:04,660 be blind to criticism. And I think what he's saying is 796 00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:08,140 don't devalue the brand. I also think that Penguins have 797 00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:11,770 absolutely crushed it and they've made the best play out 798 00:39:11,780 --> 00:39:14,100 of everyone and which I think is very unfair. 799 00:39:14,110 --> 00:39:17,500 It's like this crazy survivorship bias in entities. 800 00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:21,490 And what I mean by that is like. Project Penguins. 801 00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:24,580 People are now trying to poke holes in what they have done and 802 00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:27,040 everyone else has failed. But everyone has forgotten, 803 00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:30,000 everyone else has failed, and now it's almost like they're 804 00:39:30,010 --> 00:39:32,280 fair game to attack. And I just think that's like a 805 00:39:32,290 --> 00:39:35,300 complete joke because they're the only one that's actually had 806 00:39:35,310 --> 00:39:37,690 some success. Who the fuck is remembering all 807 00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:42,110 the other? Cuddly PFPS have done absolutely 808 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,150 nothing. No one, no one. 809 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,530 But because Paddy Penguins have survived, they're free for pop 810 00:39:47,540 --> 00:39:49,110 shots. And I think that's a bit of a 811 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,790 joke. So I think it's fair criticism. 812 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,570 But at the same time, like, come on, let's just support the 813 00:39:54,580 --> 00:39:57,480 people who are left, like they've done incredibly good 814 00:39:57,490 --> 00:40:00,670 job, like to get this far, to get it into Walmart. 815 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,170 It's an incredible job. From now on we can always say 816 00:40:04,460 --> 00:40:07,120 what did anyone do in Afts or what did someone do with some of 817 00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:09,170 the funds. We can point to this as a 818 00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:11,300 success. And I think we've got to elevate 819 00:40:11,310 --> 00:40:14,430 that. So Beanie criticising the wag Me 820 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,280 vibes of it like there's no wag me vibes left. 821 00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:20,610 This is all we have left. So let's at least be, let's try 822 00:40:20,620 --> 00:40:22,860 and elevate this. They've done a very good job. 823 00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:25,460 You don't have put calls in it, I think. 824 00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:28,200 Base carbon made the best point. It was, I'm gonna paraphrase, 825 00:40:28,210 --> 00:40:31,150 but Davis was like, if anything, why be makes more sense now 826 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,520 because we're like 300 people left and we're probably actually 827 00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:36,850 all gonna make it, you know, you're saying? 828 00:40:36,860 --> 00:40:40,110 And I was like, he's right. He's like the the 50 people that 829 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,190 are still here right now. You motherfuckers are gonna make 830 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,990 it cause you stayed, you know. But when we were 50,000, of 831 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,670 course none of us are gonna make it. 832 00:40:50,730 --> 00:40:53,060 I thought it was funny. But look, beanies always 833 00:40:53,070 --> 00:40:56,070 criticising, criticising the perma positive people. 834 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,650 And of course I'm sure that, you know, I'm probably part of that 835 00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:01,960 crowd and I'm pretty positive because I'm bullish on the space 836 00:41:01,970 --> 00:41:04,980 and the people in it and my friends that are building inside 837 00:41:04,990 --> 00:41:06,760 of it, right? Yeah, 300, more like 30. 838 00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:09,170 I mean Johnny, I think we're back to 300 with this weekend's 839 00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:11,000 pump. It always happens like that, 840 00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:12,540 right? Will be 3000 if we get back 841 00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:15,670 above 2000 and and we'll keep going and going and going and 842 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,650 going and going so quickly before I do we wanna is Katie in 843 00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:21,230 the room? Say, I know I wanna talk about 844 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:23,450 stuffs for two minutes because obviously the artists can't come 845 00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:26,450 on today, but we have. I was meant to have Katie talk 846 00:41:26,460 --> 00:41:29,590 about a couple of things for the stubs of this week which is 847 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,610 probably fire. But we also have G Man. 848 00:41:31,620 --> 00:41:33,560 I think he's in the studio. I can't see the studio in the 849 00:41:33,570 --> 00:41:35,910 new restream stuff but I'm assuming he's behind there 850 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,580 because I saw some comments he's on stage right now. 851 00:41:37,590 --> 00:41:39,270 I definitely want to talk about what happened with the crypto 852 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,360 punks here today in the event because that looks really cool. 853 00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:44,910 There's Katie. So I'm gonna go to Katie. 854 00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:49,330 G Man, give me a second and and I do want to go to Katie first 855 00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:52,140 though. To to present Red Room the 856 00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:54,820 artist for this week's doors. Because you know this is fire. 857 00:41:54,830 --> 00:41:57,780 I mean, just look at the little. Just look at that little thing 858 00:41:57,790 --> 00:42:00,660 on the screen right now. It's so cool. 859 00:42:00,730 --> 00:42:04,500 It, I mean, this is sick. I mean KD, talk to us about talk 860 00:42:04,510 --> 00:42:06,630 to us about our artist this week for stuff, baby. 861 00:42:07,580 --> 00:42:10,890 Yo, what's going on? I hope everybody can hear me 862 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:12,130 Good. Yes, Sir. 863 00:42:12,450 --> 00:42:14,970 It's been a while since I've been up on the space love that I 864 00:42:14,980 --> 00:42:16,870 can continue to bring everybody art through. 865 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,190 Stubbs, Red Rum is is in here. You guys can see him in The 866 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,730 Listener. It's got a mostly red PFP there 867 00:42:23,740 --> 00:42:27,010 if you want to click on his profile and check out the stuff 868 00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:29,390 while I'm talking. But there's a little bit of a 869 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,730 language barrier here. Red Rum is not a native English 870 00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:36,610 speaker, so he gave me a little bit of a write up that I'm going 871 00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:38,680 to share. There on his behalf. 872 00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:41,920 And and then let's hope that you know, that gets a lot of things 873 00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:44,480 through. But Red Rum came from a family 874 00:42:44,490 --> 00:42:47,620 of contemporary art collectors, and from an early age he was 875 00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:52,610 accustomed to going. These exhibitions in in meeting 876 00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:57,420 various artists there growing up like many who kind of like begin 877 00:42:57,430 --> 00:43:00,750 their their their work in in the art space. 878 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,030 The art path intrigued him but in the end he ended up choosing 879 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,820 law school to become a lawyer. Kind of following that like like 880 00:43:08,830 --> 00:43:11,830 many people in this space end up doing and and choosing like a 881 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,090 sort of like business route, but abandoned in that the 882 00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:17,810 possibility of becoming an artist and and continuing to 883 00:43:17,820 --> 00:43:23,220 cultivate that passion in 2022. So Red Rum was already active 884 00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:26,730 within the crypto and NFT space as digital arts slowly became 885 00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:29,820 began becoming natural evolution of art. 886 00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:34,020 And in June of 2022, he learned about Mid Journey and that's 887 00:43:34,030 --> 00:43:37,810 where he says his life took a turn back into the art space. 888 00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:43,140 He then created the Red Rum, artistic pseudonym, and in red 889 00:43:43,150 --> 00:43:47,720 he says he found his distinctive mark in order to make art and 890 00:43:47,730 --> 00:43:51,160 and kind of elicit the emotions that he was looking to elicit. 891 00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:56,370 An AI gave him the opportunity to make his thoughts tangible in 892 00:43:56,380 --> 00:43:59,710 regards to what he saw and what he wanted to convey, to be able 893 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:03,450 to then present a worldview that was his own to collectors and 894 00:44:03,460 --> 00:44:06,410 other people that are going to go out and, you know, kind of 895 00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:09,850 intake his work. So Red Rum initially started 896 00:44:09,860 --> 00:44:13,030 minting work on Tezos. That's actually where I 897 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,590 discovered him. Like many of the Stubs artists, 898 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:21,710 I actually got his his first piece that he did if if I recall 899 00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:23,810 correctly. I think I'm like 95% sure on 900 00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:25,800 this. It was actually free that 901 00:44:25,810 --> 00:44:29,730 basically he like offered over the timeline that like I'm going 902 00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:32,670 to admit my first piece on Tezos and anybody who wants one of 903 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,830 these additions reach out to me and and I'm. 904 00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:38,670 I think he did something along the lines of like. 905 00:44:38,740 --> 00:44:41,820 Reach out to me if you want one and if you're a person who I 906 00:44:41,830 --> 00:44:46,740 think you're here like like authentically and organically 907 00:44:46,750 --> 00:44:48,480 like I'll give you one basically. 908 00:44:48,490 --> 00:44:50,660 And and there wasn't anybody that I really know of that like 909 00:44:50,670 --> 00:44:53,570 didn't get one. There was probably like 15 to 25 910 00:44:53,580 --> 00:44:56,760 total additions on that piece. But that was kind of the first 911 00:44:56,770 --> 00:44:59,220 moment of minting work. And that's really where I 912 00:44:59,230 --> 00:45:03,280 discovered Red Rum for the first time too, of around the when 913 00:45:03,290 --> 00:45:08,400 this AI boom was really hitting late in 2022, and from that very 914 00:45:08,410 --> 00:45:11,280 first moment. Red Rum says he understood that 915 00:45:11,290 --> 00:45:14,200 he had to create something that represents him and distinguishes 916 00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:17,800 his work from others, with the goal of creating art that stands 917 00:45:17,810 --> 00:45:21,320 as a lens on the world, a world reinterpreted according to the 918 00:45:21,330 --> 00:45:24,280 symbols that are distinguishing to the story that he wants to 919 00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:28,960 tell. So this is borne the creation of 920 00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:32,570 a world, a strongly dystopian world inhabited by grotesque 921 00:45:32,580 --> 00:45:36,040 beings that stand as a deformed alternative to the world in 922 00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:39,540 which we currently live and which the simplest concepts are 923 00:45:39,550 --> 00:45:43,110 exaggerated. And taken to extremes, he says 924 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,570 he finds inspiration from a great number of things. 925 00:45:45,580 --> 00:45:50,130 Pop culture, diverse literary, artistic and cinematic works, 926 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,010 and also drawing from everyday life and his own experience as 927 00:45:54,020 --> 00:45:57,890 well. Within a short time, thanks from 928 00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:00,810 support you received from any great collectors and supporters, 929 00:46:00,820 --> 00:46:04,550 he transitioned to Earth first on Foundation and then shortly 930 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,690 found himself on Super Rare. After being accepted on Super 931 00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:10,790 Rare, Red Rum also became a founding artist with 0X. 932 00:46:10,860 --> 00:46:13,940 Avalon and he wanted to throw out some special shout outs to 933 00:46:13,950 --> 00:46:17,700 Pizarro, Art Crush, Super Cheap Gallery and the Art Innovation 934 00:46:17,710 --> 00:46:22,420 Gallery for exhibiting his works on screens all over the world. 935 00:46:23,050 --> 00:46:26,430 He says that 2023 has been a banner year for him so far from 936 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,830 an artistic and professional standpoint, and in April of this 937 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,780 year, he decided to give up his career as a criminal lawyer to 938 00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:35,230 devote himself full time to creating art. 939 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,560 They're also He says there's other important news coming 940 00:46:38,570 --> 00:46:40,940 before the end of the year, but he cannot communicate them. 941 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,270 Ohh come. On tune? 942 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,010 Just kidding. The last thing that I'll kind of 943 00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:49,870 share on his behalf is is he offered a couple works to to 944 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,950 kind of profile as far as significant works, His favourite 945 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,810 of his own. This is actually kind of a rare 946 00:46:55,820 --> 00:46:59,350 thing to hear from an artist is when Red called me. 947 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,990 I believe it's on super rare, but this enshrines the moment 948 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,970 when I realised that my life had to follow in this artistic 949 00:47:05,980 --> 00:47:08,650 direction strongly linked to the colour red. 950 00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:13,310 I guess this piece also was his all time high, another important 951 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,190 work which he says is unsold. At the moment is Red has one 952 00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:20,690 which is on super rare and this depicts his career transition 953 00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:24,190 from lawyer to full-time artist. And in this piece, many 954 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,350 references to the legal profession he says can be 955 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,030 noticed. But that obviously takes a 956 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,470 backseat to the red that is like enveloping everything. 957 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,250 And then the last one to mention is a work that's on foundation 958 00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:40,170 for one ETH reserve that's called Wanderer Among Red, which 959 00:47:40,180 --> 00:47:42,960 is his latest one of one that that was minted here pretty 960 00:47:42,970 --> 00:47:46,680 recently. Wow but love that this very well 961 00:47:46,690 --> 00:47:50,060 read and said and I'm looking at the Red has won which is 6. 962 00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:53,280 That's the latest piece. And you know if if you haven't 963 00:47:53,290 --> 00:47:55,740 seen it yet you should definitely check out the stubs 964 00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:57,760 this week. I mean it's called the wind of 965 00:47:57,770 --> 00:48:02,860 change and it's sick piece and so you'll be able to get it. 966 00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:05,590 The code the code was just here it was something. 967 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,240 London Foggy London. Let me see. 968 00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:09,050 I think it was it was passing through a screen. 969 00:48:09,060 --> 00:48:11,460 Look if you want the codes you got to watch the video. 970 00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:15,210 OK, so the the, the. There's no clear required for 971 00:48:15,220 --> 00:48:16,560 stuff. Sorry, but this further rock 972 00:48:16,570 --> 00:48:19,390 coats as foggy London town. But check it out. 973 00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:25,070 Go to rock dot FM first Stubs or you could scan the barcode that 974 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,050 we put up there, which makes it even easier. 975 00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:30,570 That was just on there, out there. 976 00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:33,990 So thank you so much Katie for coming out and and then putting 977 00:48:34,060 --> 00:48:36,600 Red Diamond. Exciting, exciting, exciting 978 00:48:36,610 --> 00:48:38,800 artists and really fire arts. There it is. 979 00:48:38,810 --> 00:48:40,030 There's the barcode. So easy. 980 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,110 Just a little scan and you're done and you're ready to go. 981 00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:45,470 The Ghostbuster. I love that. 982 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,350 Thank you, Katie. Alright, well, last but not 983 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,330 least, his G man in the house is in the store. 984 00:48:51,340 --> 00:48:56,420 Is he just on spaces? Yep. 985 00:48:57,990 --> 00:49:02,260 Ohh. Hold on, Hold on, Hold on. 986 00:49:02,270 --> 00:49:03,420 Hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. 987 00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:12,640 We have the code double CEO of Friend Tech in the house. 988 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:16,980 She man, hold on. What's up? 989 00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:20,390 When did you become like different tech? 990 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,070 God, I was just talking to, man. I'm like, did you know this guy 991 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,390 is like Juan Ethan, FTA's always like what? 992 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,310 And I'm like, yeah, dude, G, man, I found out this weekend. 993 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,000 I was like, let me just see what games I was talking about this 994 00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:33,320 thing. First of all, notice. 995 00:49:33,330 --> 00:49:36,060 Immaculate in my chat. Don't have my key. 996 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,710 That's the 1st order. It gets better trading our 997 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:42,610 friends, right? So like none of us hold each 998 00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:44,910 other as far as I'm. Ohh, hold each other. 999 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,250 I have Mando, he has me, we have Ovie, has myself, these thread, 1000 00:49:48,260 --> 00:49:53,480 Guy Locksley, everybody. You're too expensive for me, 1001 00:49:53,490 --> 00:49:54,760 baby. But. 1002 00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:59,380 OK, so when I saw that, so you're like the king of frantic 1003 00:49:59,390 --> 00:50:01,270 now. I wish I'd love to see and you 1004 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,360 deserve it because you're you're packed with value and you're 1005 00:50:03,370 --> 00:50:04,940 awesome. But thank you. 1006 00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:08,240 You're here to talk about the Crypto Punks weekend. 1007 00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:12,380 The crypto punks meet up that just happened on September 30th 1008 00:50:12,450 --> 00:50:14,600 at People's Studio. So we were there together 1009 00:50:14,610 --> 00:50:18,500 actually last in Charleston for the People studio opening, which 1010 00:50:18,510 --> 00:50:21,240 I remember saying the shows one of my favourite moments in NFT's 1011 00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:23,880 incredible time. We were ranting and raving about 1012 00:50:23,890 --> 00:50:26,280 it for weeks after that, but you got to go back. 1013 00:50:26,410 --> 00:50:30,070 Well, I was in Spain with locks, took locks captive and seed 1014 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,960 phase 2IN Marbella in Spain. You went with thread guy out 1015 00:50:33,970 --> 00:50:35,540 there to the crypto punks meet up. 1016 00:50:35,550 --> 00:50:37,200 So. So give us a TLDR, man. 1017 00:50:37,210 --> 00:50:39,780 I mean, it looked incredible. It was. 1018 00:50:39,830 --> 00:50:42,200 It reminded me a lot of the first event we went to. 1019 00:50:42,250 --> 00:50:44,020 So going with Thread was amazing. 1020 00:50:44,070 --> 00:50:46,100 It was very similar to going with you. 1021 00:50:46,110 --> 00:50:50,100 Showed up early, got to meet people's team, hang out with 1022 00:50:50,110 --> 00:50:53,420 people, do the whole interview, walk through, be on the lookout 1023 00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:55,760 for threads video that's coming out in the next day or two. 1024 00:50:56,530 --> 00:51:00,690 Like he did probably 45 minutes with people, full gallery. 1025 00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:04,040 Walk through a bunch of stories I hadn't heard before. 1026 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,350 He played Mario Kart on Nintendo 64 with him. 1027 00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:10,690 I mean it was an insane interview, so. 1028 00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:13,270 So I would definitely be on the lookout for that. 1029 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,370 I mean, people knows how to throw a party. 1030 00:51:16,020 --> 00:51:18,900 The biggest difference is the gallery wasn't open to everyone 1031 00:51:18,910 --> 00:51:21,830 that came this time it was just the other room, so the gallery 1032 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,830 was closed. If you weren't there early or 1033 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,780 new, someone no gallery, walk through. 1034 00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:30,640 Ohh wow. OK, the gallery is a fun part. 1035 00:51:31,110 --> 00:51:34,160 Yeah, Gallery is amazing. And so again, I'm assuming 1036 00:51:34,170 --> 00:51:37,400 people like you know knocked each other out for some paper 1037 00:51:37,410 --> 00:51:41,980 punks. So it's really funny he at first 1038 00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:44,420 they wouldn't say everyone was asking what do you drop from the 1039 00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:48,860 ceiling and they're just like yeah, you know maybe and so 1040 00:51:48,930 --> 00:51:52,220 right maybe an hour before he started warning people there are 1041 00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:55,880 more than enough to go around please don't punch anyone in the 1042 00:51:55,890 --> 00:51:58,400 face. Don't throw elbows and. 1043 00:51:58,410 --> 00:52:03,340 So. And so he did drop a bunch of 1044 00:52:03,350 --> 00:52:07,480 different punk configurations. No one really knows what the end 1045 00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:09,800 game is. I can tell you thread got a #1 1046 00:52:09,810 --> 00:52:14,060 rarity and he was super excited. And he went to people and he 1047 00:52:14,070 --> 00:52:15,390 said, Oh my God, I got the number one. 1048 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,130 And he said it is number one of the set, but there's like a 1049 00:52:18,140 --> 00:52:19,930 hundred of those. So don't don't get super 1050 00:52:19,940 --> 00:52:22,870 excited, Thread. Yeah, I've seen that. 1051 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,870 So we saw 6529 speak. I mean, that was I was in Spain 1052 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,690 when Danny had to go use the room to talk. 1053 00:52:27,700 --> 00:52:30,360 And I was like, I was like, should I walk in then my towel? 1054 00:52:30,370 --> 00:52:32,890 I was thinking of like walking like in a just naked in a towel, 1055 00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:34,990 just walking behind acting dummy Ohh shit. 1056 00:52:35,060 --> 00:52:36,530 And Danny was like, do it, do it. 1057 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,330 But you know, I thought it was more of a serious event 1058 00:52:39,340 --> 00:52:41,190 celebrating Parks. I was like maybe, maybe let's 1059 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,750 not like give this thing. People already think I'm goofy. 1060 00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:46,850 The fuck But But how do you look that serious, man? 1061 00:52:46,860 --> 00:52:48,360 Didn't look that serious there people like. 1062 00:52:48,370 --> 00:52:50,420 What? Was what was that person I saw 1063 00:52:50,430 --> 00:52:53,400 like grabbing things from the sky like? 1064 00:52:53,570 --> 00:52:56,120 I know I'm not gonna say who it is because I don't want docs 1065 00:52:56,130 --> 00:53:00,390 him, but I saw that video was crazy but but. 1066 00:53:00,690 --> 00:53:02,620 Celebration of punks, though, right? 1067 00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:04,970 Like having Matt and John on having Jack there. 1068 00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:08,130 Who was early? Having Danyon and Von Mises, 1069 00:53:08,140 --> 00:53:12,680 like all these people that have like got us here like before, 1070 00:53:12,690 --> 00:53:15,130 punks were a thing being around. So it was. 1071 00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:18,590 It it was really amazing. And then of course, people that 1072 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,840 go to these events in the depth of the bear like they're they're 1073 00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:24,040 on a different level, right? It's just like you said. 1074 00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:25,790 I still believe I'm still showing up. 1075 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,320 There's not that many of us left. 1076 00:53:27,330 --> 00:53:30,450 So like the ones that are there, like the bonds? 1077 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,390 It it's every level you're hanging out with Jack and he's 1078 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,360 no different than someone who's you know smaller down the scale 1079 00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:40,210 of like notoriety, but it's like still here getting it done and. 1080 00:53:40,830 --> 00:53:44,600 And like bats, bats do coming and and doxing to everyone. 1081 00:53:44,610 --> 00:53:47,620 Like you know these these IRL events are like must, must 1082 00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:50,400 attend I think if you can. I know it's hard for people, 1083 00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:52,900 yeah, but like if you can make it work anyway, like these are 1084 00:53:52,910 --> 00:53:55,020 so crucial. That's cool. 1085 00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:56,840 I'm gonna, I didn't see my punk on any pictures. 1086 00:53:56,850 --> 00:53:58,060 I've been look trying to look for it. 1087 00:53:58,070 --> 00:54:00,860 I just don't know where it is on the 10,000 thing NFT. 1088 00:54:00,870 --> 00:54:04,210 Nick sent me a photo he's like, I got I I got your paper punk. 1089 00:54:04,220 --> 00:54:05,210 I'm like bro, that's not my punk. 1090 00:54:05,220 --> 00:54:09,250 And he's like, fuck. So he was texting maybe he had a 1091 00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:11,210 couple of drinks over there because I know people know sass 1092 00:54:11,220 --> 00:54:14,390 to throw down with the open bar. But look it looked really 1093 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,850 amazing. I love that you were that were 1094 00:54:15,860 --> 00:54:18,790 TG early and and I got that vibe too by the way watching TV's 1095 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,430 face I was like I I was like it feels like how is like how I 1096 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,460 felt. You know he was hyped, was like 1097 00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:27,950 ohh, I'm interviewing people and I also did the live thing with 1098 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,500 him. He told me some crazy stories, 1099 00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:32,450 so I thought, I thought that was really cool. 1100 00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:34,860 It was really inspiring. And did we get any alpha on like 1101 00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:37,170 his next event at all or did he share anything? 1102 00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:38,890 What's What's up next in Charleston? 1103 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,130 No. If he did, I didn't hear it. 1104 00:54:43,690 --> 00:54:44,770 I mean there's a lot that I missed. 1105 00:54:44,780 --> 00:54:47,400 There was so many good people there and you know you chat with 1106 00:54:47,410 --> 00:54:49,980 1% of the amazing people that are there. 1107 00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:53,120 So I'm sure I missed the whole bunch, but I'm glad I'm only a 1108 00:54:53,130 --> 00:54:55,300 three hour drive away. But like when people throws up 1109 00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:58,700 event, I will be there. Like if I'm allowed to go 1110 00:54:58,770 --> 00:55:01,400 through whatever token gate is there like I will be there. 1111 00:55:01,850 --> 00:55:04,840 Yeah, it's it's really, I I would have, I'm going to tell 1112 00:55:04,850 --> 00:55:08,300 you if had I been in Canada, I would have 100% flown for that 1113 00:55:08,310 --> 00:55:09,720 event because I also love Charleston. 1114 00:55:09,730 --> 00:55:11,440 It's lovely city. I really recommend. 1115 00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:13,010 That's one thing I would recommend Americans like. 1116 00:55:13,020 --> 00:55:14,620 The food's amazing. People are great. 1117 00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:17,630 The hotels are sick and they're cheap like all of Charleston. 1118 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,010 Just an amazing vibe and it's really, really cool and and Mike 1119 00:55:21,020 --> 00:55:24,390 is just such a humble so that you know you know he's humble 1120 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,270 you know and and he's killing it and and it's just been fun to 1121 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,150 watch all this and again one of my favourite photos this weekend 1122 00:55:31,260 --> 00:55:33,770 before I take off was the one that you shared with you and TG 1123 00:55:33,780 --> 00:55:36,330 just waiting you know calm before the storm. 1124 00:55:36,380 --> 00:55:41,390 It was just a great one and it's just good to see you though. 1125 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,810 And one last thing I guess I wanted to ask you, did you get 1126 00:55:43,820 --> 00:55:45,900 to meet? And John, that's two people have 1127 00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:48,520 never met, never interviewed. I had them on. 1128 00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:54,110 I had them on my my clubhouse from once early on, like Matt 1129 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,620 and John came, I was like holy shit and then freaked out. 1130 00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:59,260 But I never got any interaction aside from like, did you get to 1131 00:55:59,270 --> 00:56:01,480 talk to them at all or? I didn't. 1132 00:56:01,490 --> 00:56:04,800 I didn't run into them. I ran into Frank the V1 Punks 1133 00:56:04,810 --> 00:56:06,840 rapper guy. Yeah, yeah, Frank. 1134 00:56:07,850 --> 00:56:10,260 Super chill, awesome guy. And you know, everyone's like, 1135 00:56:10,270 --> 00:56:11,860 Oh my God, you did this great thing. 1136 00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:13,610 And he's just like, yeah, someone had to do it, you know, 1137 00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:14,930 He's like. Super chill. 1138 00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:19,010 So that's a related thing, But no, I didn't get a chance to 1139 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,590 next time, right? I would love to talk to those 1140 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,930 guys for sure. Yeah, yeah, that's maybe on this 1141 00:56:23,940 --> 00:56:25,470 show. Maybe we'll get them on the show 1142 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:26,530 and do alright. Gee man. 1143 00:56:26,540 --> 00:56:28,150 Well, thank you for coming, Pops. 1144 00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:30,210 I mean, look, we are still looking to make that Frontex 1145 00:56:30,220 --> 00:56:31,750 special soon. So I guess we're gonna need you 1146 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,140 because you got all that alpha, you know you got all that alpha. 1147 00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:36,150 Amanda, if you're looking for extra Alpha is your man. 1148 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,910 This is your guy. So everybody's fog man on 1149 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,870 Twitter. G man, Underscore E that's Pops, 1150 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,250 AKA the man. Pretty much building all the 1151 00:56:44,260 --> 00:56:45,720 tech. Hand Rock Radio, by the way. 1152 00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:49,990 Building we're building. You can tell by the by the beer 1153 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,080 just getting longer and longer. For like you don't have time to 1154 00:56:54,090 --> 00:56:56,700 like do anything. Like you work and every time 1155 00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:59,120 you're not working your friend talking like this, this is how 1156 00:56:59,130 --> 00:57:01,380 it this is just this is part of the fallout. 1157 00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:04,650 But that I gotta reach out to all that. 1158 00:57:04,660 --> 00:57:06,990 Thank you G man. Appreciate you coming today. 1159 00:57:07,060 --> 00:57:09,110 Ohh short daughter. Thanks pops. 1160 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,290 Better. Bye, bye. 1161 00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:13,410 Ohh man that was fun. Maddow, great show today. 1162 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,740 I know, I know we we went an hour but it was some great 1163 00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:18,330 topics, totally worth it, totally fun. 1164 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,410 And I guess man, I'm going to see you in like 5 seconds. 1165 00:57:20,740 --> 00:57:22,850 So I'll see you on the other side of the door. 1166 00:57:22,860 --> 00:57:25,510 And with that, with that, with that, we will see you all 1167 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,490 tomorrow morning. Just to remind that our show is 1168 00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:32,680 powered by Kraken NFT, if you go to kraken.com/rug radio or scan 1169 00:57:32,690 --> 00:57:34,610 the QR code. And the top here you can go and 1170 00:57:34,620 --> 00:57:35,590 check out what they're all about. 1171 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,050 Love that team over there and doing. 1172 00:57:37,140 --> 00:57:38,390 And stay on the look at this week. 1173 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,930 If you're in London all three of us are here. 1174 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,630 That's what we're all in the same city. 1175 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,000 We're Speaking of Zebu live on Thursday and Friday, I believe, 1176 00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:47,220 but we'll have more updates for you. 1177 00:57:47,230 --> 00:57:49,050 We all posted on our timeline today. 1178 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,010 We're also talking over here myself at the Saatchi Gallery 1179 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,280 where he's actually exhibiting his work, which is his first 1180 00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:58,410 time Sachi ever has an FT. It's a big deal and a lot of 1181 00:57:58,420 --> 00:57:59,560 collectors are going to be out there. 1182 00:57:59,570 --> 00:58:01,600 A lot of curators is going to be out there shot to greet us. 1183 00:58:01,610 --> 00:58:03,410 So Greta will be coming live tomorrow with us. 1184 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,560 Also the Zebu team, so we'll talk more about this, but be on 1185 00:58:05,570 --> 00:58:07,240 the lookout for those lot of fun with that. 1186 00:58:07,330 --> 00:58:10,220 With that, with that, we'll see you tomorrow morning 10:30 AM 1187 00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:12,470 Eastern Standard Time, 7:30 AM Pacific Standard Time for 1188 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,160 another episode of GEM Web 3 on Rock Radio. 1189 00:58:15,210 --> 00:58:16,700 Let's. Go.