I'm Dustin Grinnell and this is curiously.
One of my favorite writers is the late.
Michael Creighton, author of numerous Blockbuster sci-fi
thriller has like, Jurassic Park sphere and pray.
I've always appreciated, Creighton's unique ability to
blend facts and fiction, within highly entertaining stories.
Although I've enjoyed nearly all of crichton's.
Novels, one of my favorite books of his is actually nonfiction
his Memoir travels. In which he wrote about his
journey from Harvard Medical School to writing fiction.
And as the title suggests, his travels, all over the world,
after the commercial success of his novel, The Andromeda Strain,
which published in 1969, while he was still in med school pride
and made the difficult decision. Not to become a licensed
physician and instead moved to California to continue, writing
paperback fillers for me. The most interesting parts of
travels were crichton's Explorations with psychic
phenomena, Over the course of his life.
He interacted with teachers trainers, and various spiritual
gurus, to experiment, with mind-reading, hypnosis, tarot,
cards spoon bending past life, regression, astral travel,
seeing auras and more. I admired how he seemed to
approach each of these new and often strange experiences with
the inquiring and skeptical Mind of a scientist.
But also deep curiosity and humility of an artist like
Crichton. I've studied and worked in the
Sciences. Has in view the world through a
decidedly rational scientific perspective and like him.
I also can't help, but feel drawn to explore the
inexplicable with equal parts, open-mindedness and disbelief.
It's this attitude, that led me to today's guest Gene male, a
psychic author and teacher, who has become a trusted source for
people, seeking Clarity and understanding in their lives for
many years. Jean, followed a conventional
career path before embarking on a journey of self-discovery and
spiritual exploration. And she held positions as the
Massachusetts, Medicaid director, policy administrator
for the City of New York's Office of Management and budget
and Health, and Welfare. And a research consultant on
National Health and Welfare programs.
She holds a master's degrees from the Harvard School of
Public Health and the Harvard Graduate School of Education and
has an MA in counseling psychology from Framingham State
University, a prolific writer. She's also published in National
journal's, including the Atlantic.
And has co-authored two books on Health and Welfare today.
Gene helps others navigate the complexities of life through a
readings and teaches classes and Taro intuitive visioning.
Positive psychology in mindfulness who work is not only
impacted individuals on a personal scale but is also
resonated on a broader scale. She's been recognized for
accurate predictions and foresight into Global events,
earning a reputation as a trusted psychic in the realm of
world affairs, her insights have shed light on various Social
environmental and political issues serving as a wake-up call
for Humanity to come together and create positive change.
Gmail continues to be an influential figure in the field
of intuition and psychic. Exploration her dedication to
helping others, her deep insights, and her commitment to
raising Consciousness have made her a Guiding Light in a world
that's ever in need of wisdom and understanding.
So sit back, relax and get ready to embark on a journey of
Discovery as we delve into the fascinating world of Jean mail.
Gene male, welcome to the podcast, thank you.
I'm glad to be here. So I understand before we kind
of launch into some of the questions that you wanted to do
a little meditation that kind of ground us.
Yes. So please feel free to do that.
I think it's a great idea. Okay, so let's start and I want
to think out loud for a moment first.
And I always want to feel when I'm beginning a reading or in a
situation like this, where we're trying to be very Then open that
I have an angel with me. And I think there's always an
angel with me, but if I focus on it, then I know there is.
So I'm going to visualize first for both of us that there's a
great Angel here and that the whole studio, the vibe of this
studio is and I can feel it. Now is filling up with that
light that caring, that love and that we're both in our real
true. Elves.
And now, let's just close our eyes and breathe and just focus
on our senses, just breath, or angel or both.
And make an intention. That whatever transpires now is
for good, are good. And anyone who hears this
podcast, good. Just breathing for a moment.
Okay, I'm ready. If you are.
I am. All right.
Good. So actually, you know, I had a
few questions that I wanted to jump into, but before that, I
want to get a sense of this Angel.
What is it? Where is it?
What does it look like? What's the impression that you
get is something that's always there is something you called
forth and what is the purpose of it?
Well, guidance is what it's about and having both sides of
my brain always Operating, you know, I asked that sometimes.
Who are you? What is this?
And I don't know. Part of me my more rational side
says, it's part of your psyche. It's the most hope, filled
love-filled Present part of your psyche.
But, really when I call upon her, she's just a beautiful
creature of love. And there have been people over
the years who passed, particularly a woman.
Who was there for me? When I was born, I'm
housekeeper. Who was there named Rosalie?
And sometimes I think it's Rosalie and other times it feels
like just a symbol of like, a platonic ideal like the Virgin
Mary or in the tarot, it's the queen of cups or some people
think Isis. I don't know.
And I know that when I want to help people, it seems in the
last few years, I've let go of my Concern of religion.
I don't want religion in my story, but Angels come in and I
think it probably goes back to a very ancient times that we need
this higher power. And Another Part Of Me looks up
at the whole Sky, the whole universe and feels that there's
a definity in the Oneness in the entire vast.
Great universe that we can't possibly understand the limits
of. And if we Austin it we will get
this this Divine loving creature and I still don't know who you
are up there. People ask me who are my guides,
what are their names and I get names but I feel it's beyond our
comprehension but what I do know is true is that it's a force of
love and caring and it will bring out the best in me and
helped me achieve my goals, which are to be the Best person,
I can be. Now, could one say that they're
there for all of us, which is to say that could I access this
other sort of listener could absolutely.
And how does one go about making contact?
And believing? I think it's really something
inside of you that wishes for divine guidance for something,
it's a part of being evolved, wishing to stretch yourself,
wishing to be higher and We just can't do that on our own.
We're all specs in a giant universe and even if you think
of us as specks of just the human race, there's a lot of
people who've been in this in the body now and will be who are
very, very evolved and so you're reaching for higher.
And for them to give you a hand, to pull you up and they do and
they want to and you and I we pull other people up sometimes.
Well whenever anyone needs healing in the last few years, I
just send angels I used to try to just do it myself and then I
started to realize that it was not good for me to just think
that I was sending healing. It was like taking a piece of me
and so when I started getting people who really need a lot of
help and people who are very ill.
For example, I knew I couldn't just do that.
If I did it would drain me and I started sending angels, I would
like to point to the sky and say, get over there, help that
person. And then that evolved into this
feeling of, I could see what was going to happen and I noticed
that when I send angels to people, and you can do this too
and you can send them to yourself.
People humans who are around rush in and start helping you.
And that's interesting too because it seems as though that
Angelic Spirit of caring enters, Oil and I have so many examples.
Could you share one of Amy's? You sent to someone whether it's
in a healing capacity or an end? What was the outcome?
Well, this is personal, but it's what's on my mind.
So I'll say it for a few years, my son, when he graduated
college and worked for a while, and then she said, I just want
to travel, he got a backpack and he traveled all around the world
and he went on and on for a long time.
So I mean, really several years. At one point, he was in Central
America and he had broken or lost his phone.
That was my contact. That was our way of knowing, are
you, okay? And we knew he was hitchhiking
to and I mean, it was a mother's trial and I have my ways of
getting help on that. I walk around in the forests and
ask the trees is Tommy, okay, and I would always give is fine,
but this time, he He lost his phone and he was traveling.
And I was worried and you know, you read all kinds of scary
stuff about who he might come in contact with and I knew he was
didn't have much money left, he would go and work like in
hostels and he did very well and he survived the whole ordeal
really well. But at the time so he was, I
didn't know it, but he was in the back of a pickup truck
traveling and there was a couple driving him and I didn't know
that. I knew he was trying to get from
one place to the other. There was no contact.
So I prayed that Angels would be there for him and protect him
and take care of him. Well, it turns out he reached
this point where they were going one way and he was going another
so they he got out of the truck and the couple came over and
they put their arms around him. And the guy handed him two
dollars which was a lot of money for this guy and, you know,
Tommy didn't really need it, but the man wanted He said no and
the man wanted him to have it just so that he'd have a place
to sleep because he was worried about him and then he and his
wife put their arms around him and they prayed for him and
Tommy later told me that he just started crying.
He's not a crier but he felt so much love coming from these
people and he just felt protected and they were my
angels and his and his well that's what I was doing.
I was sending angels to protect my One.
And in some way that distance was closed between you two and
it was manifested through these these people.
That's that's what you think. Yeah, that's right now.
Oh, yeah, that's what I I know. And I've done this so many times
for other people where they'll be ill or worried or scared or
in trouble and I'll send angels, and then I'll and I'll see.
Usually now, I think I've honed this in a, to a way that I can
actually Trust what I'm seeing when I send the angels and they
will Rush In. And I start to realize that a
lot of times they're people in the hospital nurses and aides or
a doctor or and then you here later, the story that happened
and why it turned out, okay, and who helped that person, and what
they told them and how they position their body and I love
it because it fits what I was seeing.
So I don't really feel like I'm in control Of what Spirit does.
What I can do is make the intention of love and healing
for them and send emissaries to take care of it.
And I do think there's an impact on that and also there's been
Studies by the way. You know, why don't you share
some data? I can hear where boston-based.
It's very intellectual. We're very close to MIT and
Harvard. Yeah, it's an environment.
That's dance with intellectual. And Skeptics and highly educated
people. And I know you live at a in a
town that's full of how very highly educated people.
And I hear the skeptical voice in my head.
What's the mechanism? How Could You influence your
son? From a great distance through a
force that isn't yet scientifically validated?
What's going on? Well, psychological studies.
Don't really tell you what the science is but there are studies
and One really elegant, study Elegance, the word, the
scientists use when a study is very clever and equals mc
squared. Yeah, kind of incontrovertible
type study. Although everything in science
is is questionable, you know there is no such thing really as
evidence. It's after a while enough
studies are done and then people start to agree or if they don't
want to agree they'll never agree but there was one that was
done, it was on healing and it was a Korean study and I don't
remember. That people's names are any of
that right now, but there were women in Fertility clinic who
are trying to get pregnant and lots and lots of them like
hundreds of them, and they had these people in Korea, who were
brought in, to do the study, and they divided up the group
randomly and the women, and they divided the other people
randomly who were praying for them, and they had the one group
pray that they would be able to get pregnant, and that's a good
elegant study. Because you're either pregnant
or you're not. Whereas if you have a study, I'm
sure there have been studies where you pray that somebody
will get better from cancer, or get better from covid or
something. Yeah, there's just too many
factors involved but you either get pregnant or you're not.
So they found a very strong statistically significant effect
of the prayer group that was praying for the women.
And then there was a, probably a control, I think there was a
control group and they were just praying in general.
Its toll, the prey and and the women didn't know they were
being prayed for. And so there was it was a I
thought that was a pretty elegant study.
Yeah. Yeah, I know enough about
science, you know? I have three master's degrees in
each time. I got a master's degree, you had
to take statistics and I was like, oh jeez, I don't want to
take statistics, but I learned a lot about how to make a good
study and what is a good study and how to read it.
And that one jumped out at me, but in the end of the day, I
grew up in that intellectual. Immunity.
And then my first 10 years working in the work world was in
that Community. I even worked in the think tank
where we did studies and everybody was like, people were
from MIT and Harvard and Etc. And at the end of the day,
really isn't about the studies. It's about your heart and your,
your inner knowledge. I know we have to have data Bank
to work from otherwise. The heart can tell us that
people are witches. Has and we can burn them at the
stake and stuff like that. And we don't want to be just
going on gut intuition or feelings.
We have to have some logic and we have to have both sides of
the brain, but the reason that I'm focused on much more on
intuition, is that our society is too much on the data and not
enough on, hey, what is your gut heart intuitive feeling?
Trusted, even if people tell you, the data says, Think
different, how did the pendulum swing so far in the kind of
rational scientific reductionist?
You know, because that is, I agree where we are at and it's
almost like an a revolutionary act talk like you're talking in
the sense that we should be more trusting of intuitive thinking.
Well, I've looked a little of that question, and how did we
come so far from what we think were caveman days where they
were telling stories? Or he's looking at the stars and
they had to rely on intuition, I do believe back then they did
rely Von science to they handed down practices that were tried
and true. Otherwise I don't know how we'd
be alive today, but I'll just tell you one thing that I've
learned, I'd started with learning reading Elizabeth
mayor's Book, Em, aye are extraordinary knowing and she
was a psychiatrist at Berkeley and very musical person to
music. Does really enhance your
intuition and she had a psychotic Could experience that
just blew her away. So, she wrote this whole book
she's been 10 years writing it. And she talked about the history
and back in the late 1800s, 1880s, or so, you had William
James, who was a physician at Harvard, and he started
Psychiatry is one of the founders of Psychiatry and there
were a few others. But I'll start with him, they
believed in psychic stuff, they believed in psychics
experiences, and he kept a Record that it's many volumes
thick that I believe is in William.
James Hall. Now, which is the high-rise
building at Harvard that houses, the psych department and he was
trying to create a body of evidence or knowledge about
psychic phenomenon and what I call intuition.
And he had so much power at Harvard that they lay allowed
him to do it, but there are fundamental conflicts with
religion. With the Catholic Church, it
interferes with the power of priests and leaders of in
religious communities. And I'm not just blaming the
Catholic church, but that's very influential here, in our
Christian Society. I'm sure it's a problem in an
issue in many organized, religions.
And there were naysayers. Lots and lots of naysayers, and
they ridiculed these people, but William James had a kind of
power of his own. And it wasn't until Till he
died, that Skinner came along and Skinner was the absolute
opposite. And that's how I was introduced
to psychology in the late 60s at UMass.
It was all about rats and mazes and Skinner and classical
conditioning and we're stimulus and response, forget intuition,
but William James has body of knowledge, still exists.
And I think it's significant that he believed in this.
And there were others, too. In fact, there's evidence that
Freud was very much interested in the topic and urged.
These folks to move forward, but didn't want it in his name
because it would jeopardize what he was trying to.
He had his theory of the unconscious and he wanted it to
gel. He wanted people to accept it
and if you think about it, the unconscious is where all of this
psychic phenomenon happens. It happens in the part of our
mind. And that is not logical.
It isn't like a databank. It spontaneously appears and I
mean, I've looked at studies that have done MRIs on or pet
scans where they actually watch what's happening to people when
they are using their intuition and sometimes it goes into The
Reptilian Brain, you know, with the lower brain.
So it isn't an easy thing to study and there's a huge bias
against it. And because of the bias,
probably many of those biases were internalized by yourself as
well as you were growing up as you were coming of age.
And yet somehow you evolved into your intuitive abilities, they
were there, or you learned how to get in touch with them.
How did you do that? You know, how did you you were
yeah, took taking somewhat of a conventional career path and
educational path and yet you came into your Abilities.
What was that Journey? Like it was, it was a journey
that fit what a lot of people's Journeys, are that around the
age of 30 or so, we come more into our own.
And so in our childhood we were more generally, trying to,
please the family and fit into this, as we get older, into the
society and in high school. And then first, I remember
reading passages back in 1978 Gayle, she he's book about the
changes that happened throughout Out adulthood and she talked
about how in your 20s. You're just trying to live out
your trying out. Adulthood you're trying to be
like your parents. So in my 20s, you know, I wanted
to get a really good job. I wanted to be a professional
job and I also of course, I ended up at this Think Tank and
everybody was from Harvard MIT. So I just like, I need to go to
Harvard, I've got to have a Harvard degree, I'm just from
UMass and it don't take it seriously, that was my
Prejudice. That's not the way it is in
life. So I was immersed in that.
Crowd. I did go and get a Masters in
Education at the Harvard School of Education.
And then I went to school public health and I just kept making
greater demands on myself to. I should now get a PhD but I was
so eager to work anyway, I had the job of my dreams of my
earlier dreams, which was that I was working in New York City for
the mayor's office of management and budget doing policy work in
the field of health, education and Welfare.
And I got bored. I mean my body told me I didn't
want to come into the office in the morning.
I found if I thought about it it was because I would do all these
this work that I got excited about and then it would have to
be analyzed by a million committees and I had so many
great ideas when I had been in Boston working for Dukakis under
and Welfare. I came up with ideas in
healthcare that they adopted to try and get control of health
care costs without Without sacrificing care, and I was just
this ideas person. It was very intuitive, it was
not data-based. It was that I would just think
of these things and say, oh, we should do this and then I'd
write an email, I had a great boss and he would say write a
memo. I'd write a memo about it, it
would get in front of the governor's desk and he'd say do
it. And then it was like magic that
I went to New York and it wasn't like that anymore.
It was, it was a better bigger job, but it was a bigger pie.
And right fishing to be really was New York City.
Nothing like it. But I felt like I wasn't I
wasn't satisfied and so I quit my job which everyone was
shocked and they said where you going to do and I said I don't
know, I think what I'm going to do is I was about 32 years old
and I said, I rented out my apartment and slept on the couch
so that I didn't have to work and because Apartment rates are
going up so fast in New York that I could do that and have a
windfall. And I said every day, I'm going
to get up and figure out what I feel like doing this day, and
maybe I will figure out who I really am that way.
And it worked it absolutely worked.
And where did I end up? I ended up going back to Boston
and I decided to go and get a degree in public health at
Harvard, which sounds like, well, why would you do that?
Because I just needed time, but I I knew that I was going in the
right direction which was caring, health care or caring
for people. But while I was doing that,
someone took me to see a psychic.
And fortunately I went to see somebody who was, he's passed
over now but he was really a legend in his own time and he
looked me in the eyes and he knew everything that mattered to
me and I remember that moment seemed was David Hall and he
just said, you need to know what you need to do.
You're asking What work should I do.
And I remember leaving that session.
He was in a tea room in Boston, which was, you know, you pay
tips. You give tips, and he was, he
was so in the lowly level, but he was so elevated and I said
this changes everything, Hauser, he had a gift that I had never
experienced. So clearly, he knew me and he'd
never met me. He knew my hopes and dreams and
thoughts. And I mean, I'd gone into
therapy and nobody could really Get to it.
I didn't even know what I wanted, but it was like a light
bulb going off. And, and I remember that moment,
I said, I have got to understand this.
I have to know what he's doing. I have to be able to do it, and
I used to go for long walks every day and around the Weston
Reservoir, which is a forest, which was where I can clear my
head. And I decided after a few months
of that, that I wanted to be able to do this, what he was
doing. And that I just I knew that I
could, well, it turns out that I've been doing it all my life
but I just didn't know what intuition really was because,
you know, in a way was covered up a little and so you went
through this period of uncovering, but then you in
retrospect, you realize you were using it.
Probably in your job, all those great ideas that you had were
coming through your intuition. And so you got more in touch
with that and you decided to follow it.
And in way professionalize it, I did over time I did.
At first, I wanted to just do what David could do.
And I also and he used to meditate and on a timeline for
each of his clients. And interestingly, now, I have
created this timeline meditation and I don't just so much.
Do it for clients, I do it on the world because the world
matters, our survival matters to me, so I'm very focused on that
and I teach others to do it and then it turns out after all,
this teaching of people like we call it, read the future.
You tonight, it actually has RTF.
We call it these intuitive people were flocking to my
website and to me, to learn how to do this, and they also
discovered their gift and we post these predictions.
And the only reason I post them initially was just so that we
could track ourselves. Because when you see something
that you have seen come true, it's like water on your face.
It's such a wake up to your own innate gift and Has the gift and
this is a good method, but if we backtrack a little, what really
woke me up was when I got a little deck of tarot cards and
cards are just pictures. That's all they are.
They're just Taro is a structured set of pictures that
have been handed down in a certain structure that involves
numerology and organizing the way growth happens in a person
and understanding. And so it's not just a simple
pictures but an Initially, for me, I would stare at this
picture and all of this knowledge would come because
pictures. Are they sparked?
The intuition? You look at them and you're not
analyzing them, you're just, you get a reaction and it's an
unconscious 12 and it's unconscious, right?
And I mean, people call them projection devices and, and
that's used in therapy as well, you know, called the, their
systemic Apperception tests, which they use for children,
where they The my photograph that somewhat neutral and then
they ask the kid to describe what they see in that,
photograph and the kid, the child will start to reveal their
situation in their home that they could never ever talked
about. And now the tarot isn't a
Thematic Apperception device but it is, it is pictures.
And I noticed that when I stared at a picture, if I was, I had
roommates and we and I said, let's try this.
You know, we were just doing it for fun and I, These cards and
they would ask a question. I look at the card and then I'd
have an Insight, you would have an inside, you have an idea, and
they would go like, you know, oh my God, such as what, like what
kind of insight we ran out of ramen noodles and nobody knew
well, like I had an insight about you and I that it would be
structured. Yeah, and and that came from
this card that I pulled that is show structure, although we're
keeping to a structure actually, but it won't question.
And you're blowing a flow to. Yeah, I've approaches as a
journalist, you may have understood like the way it
prepped and the way I wrote out the questions and all the rest,
it's not like a nonlinear thing. So I'm sure you got that but
that was explicit. But you also got it from an
intuitive sense as well. Yeah, it helps when you have a
little Data Bank but I can do this with strangers and people I
don't know. And the only thing I need, if
I'm giving a reading and I do them on the phone, I used to do
them in person, but I find it distracting and I don't want to
see them physically. I want to see them inwardly and
when you've been doing this for 30 years, your gifts grow, and
expand, and so I don't just use the cards anymore, but they're
very reliable because I'm very visual person as a hobby.
I was an artist for a long time and I did a lot of Photography
and paintings and everything and I just love the visual, I love
it and so that's one of the senses.
Of the senses that we have are also inwardly experienced.
Not just staring out or listening to sound.
You have an inward unconscious intuitive reaction and I happen
to be very good. I think most people are actually
with the visual sense and they have done experiments with this.
They've looked at people who were through MRIs, who were
being intuitive, and they can see when they're doing it with
their eyes that it comes in and actually goes to The visual
cortex, which is the part of the brain that works with the eyes,
but it's inner seeing and then part of it goes down into The
Reptilian Brain, but you can also be very good in all your
senses and that's something I've been working on more and more.
I'm just saying though that to get back to the original topic.
I pulled a tarot card and it was instant.
It was an instant gift and I loved it.
And you should always follow what you love within reason.
Of course, and it was so much easier than other things that I
had done like. Very good with directions.
Just like a lost coming here and I don't like arithmetic and
math. So you go with your what you are
good at and what gives you Joy and it was giving me a lot of
joy and I was like, this is a toy.
It's fun, but I needed more, I needed to turn it in.
It had to be something that I enjoyed.
And what I discovered was that when I was one on one with
people and I was using these cards and also I would use Some
of David's techniques meditating on them, I could help them and
that's what I always wanted to do.
I always wanted to help people your realization was, you know
after a period of disillusionment was to be in
service with people and to use your powers.
These are gifts, I think the interesting thing about being on
the phone with someone is that it's sort of preamps the
objections Skeptics may have which is that you know, psychics
maybe about like kind of pick. Going up traits of people while
they're reading, whether it's clothing, whether it's their
temper and whether it's the way they present themselves.
But on the phone, you're sort of devoid of all those things.
So you really just using voice and Impressions.
And so I'm wondering kind of what is the subjective
experience that you're having when you're on the phone with
someone in there calling you to, you know, whatever they're
asking to do. What are you reading?
What are you picking up? Well, it's changed over the
years and I can tell you where I'm at now with it.
I sit in in a room in my house usually and it's out looking out
at a forest and I'm very connected to trees and forests
are healing and the first thing I do is stare at the trees in
the forest and they are an image a projection device almost like
a taro Card it is. So that's the, the same, its
nature. It's yeah.
It's the same. And there's one tree in
particular. During the winter time when
they're not leafed out, that's always the person that I'm
reading, you know, David that teacher, I had years ago, he
would say, Throw light on the card, throw light on the card.
And I didn't quite know what he meant, but it's the same thing.
I'm throwing light on the forest, you're looking at an
image and you are allowing yourself to see It's so hard to
explain it but I've done it in classes that I teach and
everybody gets it and I'll give them a card.
This is on a zoom class, right? I'll put a card in front of them
or years before. Zoom.
I would just do it. Put it on a screen in the room
and I would say imagine this person is the Dalai Lama.
What do you see and their eyes would go to certain aspects that
fit the Dalai Lama, then I would say, okay now imagine this
person is Donald Trump. What do you see?
And they would see very different stuff and then I would
say this was during the the Trump years and but jean you
know that it's a this you're telling me who the person is and
so then I would pick someone in the class.
They were in the mode. They knew that they Were in some
ways doing something, when they knew it was the Dalai Lama, they
were seeing aspects to the picture that fit him.
And so, then I would say, okay now let's pick somebody, we
don't know, we pick a member of the class and we'd say that same
image is the person in the class.
What do you see? And there would be sort of a
silence and then people would explode with something they were
picking up. Where was there?
I going. What did they feel when they're?
I went that. A like, you picking up on the
guys Buckle, why is it to Sharp what?
And it's a primitive method in the beginning when you first do
it. But when you practice it enough,
you don't even realize anymore, how you're breaking apart the
image, eulau, your psyche, to just take you there.
It's what happens when you have a lot of experience doing
something. So now when I see people, I
don't know, I start with if I'm reading them at home, Where that
tree is, I will start that way and it just tickles or triggers
your brain and you go with the way you've been triggered, what
would be an example, your I had one yesterday?
Hmm, I was reading someone. And now the trees are all.
I was away for two weeks, and then I came back in the trees
are all leafed out. You can't see the tree very well
anymore. And so I'm reading this guy and
I, suddenly, this is what Dave would call throwing.
Right on it. I'm suddenly seeing him and I'm
imagining that he's behind those all that foliage and it's
clouding, his mind. And I be getting this image of
his head is in the clouds and that he's just clouded.
And so I talked about that and I also could see that if he could
just elevate a little bit, his head would be above those.
Those foliage and he would see the sky.
And so I worked on that with him.
How does he stop? He was overthinking
overthinking, everything too many ideas, too many thoughts,
too many. He couldn't make a decision.
He couldn't even make a decision about what is true of his own
person in his life, his partner. And so you learn to trust these
gut feelings. They start to form as you stare
into these And then there's more, there's more because
that's one method. Then I ask for feedback, I'll
just say, let me know if it's making sense.
Don't tell me how. I just want to know that you're
getting something out of what I'm saying, and he's going right
on keep going now, occasionally people will call me who have
been told by a friend. Don't say a word, right?
Yeah, just Keep it all, don't say a word, don't even just say
hi. Give me a reading.
Well, what can happen? It can work if they are very
open and receptive, I can feel it and then the reading will
come but if they are suspicious, I can feel the wall And then
after years of doing this and wanting to have fun, while I'm
doing this or into feel good about it, I'm not as interested
in breaking down people's walls. I think I said to you, you see,
you notice that I'd written somewhere.
It isn't seeing is believing, it's believing is seeing and if
they are Skeptics they're blocking and I'm just not
somebody interested in in dealing with that, I'd rather
have a joyful. With somebody and I don't want
to just try to change them in that way, and it's too much
work. So I can do a reading where a
person has said nothing. If they're open hearted
open-minded, and I can't control that but I can certainly tell
when I feel a wall. I'm sure over the years you've,
you know, met with probably hundreds of people and do you
get a sense of what people want from you, what they come to you
for? If it's fine to to share what
that man was seeking. It sounded like he was in the
fog, he was he needed Clarity and kind of this.
Something to cope with the overthinking.
The kind of step out about like so he was maybe in a crisis of
some kind. He didn't know what to do with a
certain relationship and he he probably after you got a scent
that they needed to take a break or, you know, reflect and see
things clearly. And what if you can share, what
was he looking for? And what other people look what
he said he was looking for? Was he just wanted to know his
future? Don't wind and and this happens
a lot and I'm happy to oblige. What I can do I can never sure
that this is the future but Only what happens then.
So what I do for that is I just threw a bunch of cards in a row
like a timeline and and I could see huge block right away and
for him, that he was going to go out into the world, all excited
about something and then block block block, you know, problems
problems, problems problems. And so, instead of saying that's
your future, I said, let's talk about this.
Let's talk about this, let's go back to now and what's going on
inside because if you could resolve that you blocks would go
away. Yeah.
It's everyone really calls for healing.
Hmm. And I used to wonder why I get
excited. When a person called them, they
had a lot of problems or like a big problem and I get excited
because it was easy to Read. When you see, there's a problem,
it was just like, you know, a storm in, you know, you'd see
something it would be big as opposed to when people call and
say everything's fine. Everything's groovy.
I'm just kind of like Curious and but really truly, we're all
seeking healing in one way, we all have issues and we're trying
to navigate the world wherein and so what I immediately saw
was it wasn't that he needs to see his future.
He needed some hope and he needed To unhook some snags
inside of him. It's a lot like an acupuncture
treatment. You know, you go and lie down on
the table and the acupuncture is finds the blocks and then six
and needle in and twist them. It's a little like that.
What was the? But in this sense, it's
cognitive. It's like a mental process.
So, what did you unblock in his own mind or help him?
See, mostly codependency. Okay, so there's a therapeutic
angle turned out like, yeah. You need to take care of
yourself. What do you want?
What do you want to do? Oh, I want to do this, but I
need to consider the other people in my life, and so it was
a lot like therapy, but it was intuitive, very intuitive.
And then, I was able to actually see a path where he would go and
how it would work. And mean you can always ask the
question. Well, if I take that dream trip
that I want to take in this case, it was To Europe.
How will it turn out? I can get some Vibe on that.
It's just that It's Tricky. The future itself, telling
people, the future takes a lot of discernment and care and
humility. You have to know that you're
working with something so uncertain.
It's like working with the weather and so I try to go to
the point. That is certain where is there?
a wound that is going to Derail them.
And let's go there and let's open it and let's clear it up
and you could say, well Gene, you're just a psychotherapist.
Well, yeah, I got trained in it in psychotherapy but that isn't
really, I mean, and there are therapists who probably do what
I do. In fact, I know a psychiatrist
who uses tarot as well as all the tools that she can find that
will help people, but I wouldn't call myself a psychotherapist at
all. Don't see people regularly
weekly or any of that, it's more of a aha.
I try to give a reading that will have people have a release
of some kind inside of them, that freeze them and then they
can go forward and insight, that will really help them.
Yeah, and I was also realizing that there's a certain level of
compassion that you have in your work and the sense that you saw
those blocks but you didn't communicate those blocks, you
actually kind of backed up. Yeah, and I worked on them.
Yeah. Instead of there would be
something pessimistic about sharing the actual site you know
really made a commitment years ago to do no harm.
And if you hit somebody with some awful thing that you see
coming in a way that they cannot overcome their fear, then you've
harmed them. And I don't do that and people
say will tell me everything, I don't want you to hide.
I think I don't really hide anything, but there's always
hope. And the other thing you
mentioned to me that you'd seen on my site was a roomy
statement. That the wound is where ya
feeling is wound, is the place where light enters you, thank
you. So it's really very healing to
find the wound and open it up and let the light come in
because we're all like, little babies trying to learn how to
walk. You know, we're going to fall
and we got to get back up. And the falling is where the
learning is, the crash is where the learning is and is true for
our entire civilization. Like the pandemic was a huge
learning experience and it's true for individuals.
Now, this isn't to say that there isn't inside.
I can give in a situation that will be helpful like and I do
court cases. For example, somebody is going
to court in a divorce case and I want to know who the judges and
I'm going to read the judge because I want to know what he's
he or she is going to think or how they are predisposed.
And I've been helpful not only to people going into court
cases, but to litigators. You need to know.
It's helpful to know how these judges are predisposed.
So I attorneys have hired you to read the judge.
Yes. So that they can yes, get a
competitor. Sometimes it's a panel of
judges. And if it's an appeals case, it
can be a panel. So yeah, I've done that and and
so I don't want to make it sound too.
So all I do is sort of, you know, therapeutic thing.
Yeah. Sometimes we need we need a
little info and this gift is pretty vast.
And I have to keep saying this, everyone has this gift and so I
really love teaching people to find it in themselves, but I
never want to Stop giving readings myself because I think
it's just destined. I think I'm just supposed to
because I want to. Yeah.
Do you have a sense that you know, that our species probably
should get past a scientific or irrational reductionist Point of
View to a more evolved space where Consciousness is a little
bit more in touch with intuitive abilities?
Do you think that would be more evolved species?
And yes, maybe we'll be less harmful to each other.
Yes, home for two reasons. One reason is Is people are told
what to think. Yeah, media tells people what to
think, manufactured consent. Yeah.
And if you are more in touch with your gut instincts, which
start with the body and the psyche then you have a direct
relationship to what's going on in the world as opposed to
through another. Now, you know centuries ago it
was through a priest or magistrate or someone.
Now it's more through the media. So teaching people intuition
will mean more. I think it means more
authenticity in the way people think and not just about what
people are telling them about the world.
But also in their relationships, there are people who are
controlled by their Partners. You know, codependency they're
unhappy, they're miserable and yet they feel like I need to be
good. I need to do what he or she says
and so learning to trust your gut, your gut instincts.
Is critical to authenticity. It's very tied up with
mindfulness, which is, of course, very popular, right now,
except mindfulness teachers don't take the next step to
intuition. They do tend to be very
intuitive though. It's interesting because you
know, I think getting more in touch with your gut and
intuition, it's very empowering thing because like you said,
you're not dependent on figuring out what to think and feel by an
external Source you Can start to make decisions as a free thinker
as a free feeler, you know, and I think that makes you almost
like vaccinates you against people who may want to control.
Or you know, whether it is someone acting in bad faith or I
can't imagine you would be very vulnerable to like falling into
a cult. If you were really well tuned to
your gut because you know, that doesn't ring true.
You know? You would feel the bad
intentions. That's right.
And so I think it's a very empowering thing to learn how to
trust your gut. I do too.
And you know it's interesting because even in reviewing
science it's important or even being a scientist, it's
important to be able to see the woods from the trees, which is
what this is, you know, intuition is an altogether,
spontaneous view of things where you're putting all the pieces
together in one View and so even in reviewing science, I use my
intuition. It's just a feeling, all the
greatest, scientists. All of our breakthroughs have
come through intuition, in the sense that we have pal,
penicillin was discovered, we all know of Einstein and his
thought experiments and Marconi and the radio.
He just, he was 13 years old wireless communication.
He just thought he just knew it and then he spent his life.
Yes. Proving it making it happen and
it Experimenting with it, but I love and, and Jonas, all this
very famous for coming up with the statement that every
morning, he wakes up wondering. What will pop up that day?
What will his intuition tell him that day and I hope that's
really his statement. Sometimes, things are attributed
to people that aren't true. But it's goes true to the
statement of a good scientist is somebody who can see the wood
from the trees? I think James Hansen is a
climate As I read his, he was the NASA scientists who left the
administration and went out on his own.
I started reading his studies. I wasn't actually able to read
the studies are so technical, but reading what he was saying
about his studies many 10 years ago or more and I knew instantly
disguise, right? And other people didn't agree,
but I could feel it. I just, I felt that he was right
and because I could feel him. And I mean, I knew that he was
deeply sincere about what he was doing.
I could feel how smart he was, but also, I have probably my
biggest, most accurate intuition has been about the environment
and the climate in the visions that I've gotten a lot for the
longest stretch going back, 30 years ago.
And what will happen with civilization and how will the
climate go. So, I was very much in need of a
climate scientists who I could trust and he was Sidered Fringe
and now he's been right. So right.
I just think the only thing is that he's he's a little
conservative, I think things are going to happen.
Much faster than he said, but he's a scientist, he has to
stick with what evidence he has and I don't, I can stick with
what my gut feeling is. I find that idea, fascinating,
that you can have an Insight that's profound and you could
spend the rest of your life, using the Rational side of your
mind to kind of prove it out. That's fascinating.
And speaking of Einstein, I just did want to share one quote that
relates to what we've been talking about.
He said the workings of intuition transcend, those of
the intellect in our as well. Known Innovation is often a
Triumph of intuition over logic that's Albert.
Einstein you know that's he worked it out through intuition
and then use math to prove it out.
Yes. Because he was considered a
quack really I mean he was you're going against
conventional thought. And to go against conventional,
thought they're all using their own Data Bank, you have to come
up with a new data Bank. Really you have to come up with
something new that they don't know about and it takes a leap
to do that and where you going to get it there.
You know, the mind has the brain has literally I think millions
of thoughts synapses thoughts and how does one of them come to
cognitive? This, how does it get to the
surface where you're actually aware that, you're thinking it
and you're thinking it and talking about it?
I feel that's intuition and that's a one-in-a-million kind
of image or thought and do you have like a for everyday people
who are just going about their lives?
And they don't have much, you know, connection to these ideas
about intuitive abilities. They don't see psychics, They
Don't Really necessarily have any objections or skepticism.
But what do you say to people? That what are a few things I can
do to get more intuitive and we talking about walking in the
forest and of getting quiet. Do we talking about meditating?
What gives you the best chance for Access?
It's um it's a hard thing. I have my first thought was when
you start at the, when I knew where you were going with, the
sentence was know what you love and love, what you love Mary
Oliver in her famous poem, The Wild Geese says, You know, she's
saying, trust your body, your body, the wisdom of the body,
which is what meditation or mindfulness meditation is about
trust the breathing in, and out, everyone's different in how they
find the quietness to be able to hear the signal from all the
noise. And for me, it's walking in the
forest, I would probably be do well walking on the beach.
I swim every day when I get in the pool, I get clear. - forfeit
anything that takes care of you, other than addictions like when
I say that, I mean, like, well if stuffing yourself with
donuts, seems to take care of you, I would say no, that is not
going to clear your head right over in watching, you know,
binging on movies or that's really just anesthetized saying
yourself. That's not self care.
Nurse that's not have civility. Yeah, it's better than nothing.
But if you think you're going to break down, but walk in the
woods, they call it Forest. Bathing getting in a quiet
space. And that's why one of the
reasons I had to get another dog when our dog died.
As I said, I got to get out into the woods and I know I'll do it
for the dog and the beach. Some people just like to sit
quietly and for some people listening to music or singing
themselves. You know, there's so many ways
laughter to, you know, jokes and laughter anything to Stress.
But I say get away, like get out of the house and go out, go for
a walk, some people, a ski or they do Sports the body, it's
really help, helpful to exercise.
And then it's one thing to get the Insight, something to follow
it, isn't it? The inside comes, when we get
away from all that stress and noise in the to-do list and and
the monkey mind, and it's funny how we start to get insights.
We start to think, you know, I really should Do this and it's
often so simple. You know, I teach this course
now called become deeply intuitive.
I haven't set it up for this year yet.
Originally, I taught all these tricks like that, psychics use
like the cards and, you know, timeline meditations and stuff
like that, but really, it's about finding out how you are
intuitive. And you've been intuitive,
you've been doing it all your life, you've been doing since
you were Maybe and then going back and reviewing the moments
in which you got it, right? And you didn't even realize it
and then that alone can help to bring you into a more intuitive
State. That's why I track into it all
our predictions so that people can at least, say cheese, I
sought that. Oh wow, but it you go one step
further. I've asked my students to send
me a letter when they first start the course list all the
ways. You've been intuitive
everything. Anything even the silliest
things and then read it over. Yeah.
So we just have like three minutes left and it occurred to
me. I wanted to go into places, but
you really can't at this point. But at one I was like, maybe
just you could throw a card or to see what happens.
And the other I wanted to maybe run that seen by Interstellar by
you to see if you had any thoughts on it.
But there is a great scene in that movie Interstellar by
Christopher Nolan and I think for some reason ended up in my
questions to you because the scene is exploring something
that's non-scientific and it's a bunch of astronauts talking who
are very scientific, but I think the gist of it is that maybe
there is a another level of space and time that we humans
aren't in contact with at the moment that sometimes we get
access to, and The idea was they were just basically explorers
astronauts out in space, looking for a new planet.
So that our species can move because we had the, our planet
had had become more or less on livable and we needed to
relocate. They explored one planet and it
didn't work out and they only have fuel for to go to one more
plan it out of two. And so they had to make a
decision and basically two previous explorers had landed on
both those planets and they were communicating up data and One of
those planets was communicating data, that said the planet was
perfect in terms of all the metrics you would use to assess
whether humans can live there and the other had no longer been
transmitting data. They thought that the astronaut
probably had passed and the idea was that one of the astronauts
said, well, that's really an obvious choice, right?
We have the data, but the other astronaut was saying, I don't
know why, but I don't think we should go to that planet.
I think we should go to the other planet even though it
didn't have the data and the astronaut immediately brought up
to everybody else that the woman who was saying that had a
previous romantic relationship with the with the explorer who
was on that other planet. So he kind of thought she was
being blinded by right. She wanted to see her, she want
to see him again and she said that she said, is there a part
of me that wants to see him again?
Yes, but is a great kind of two-and-a-half minute scene,
where she talks about. Maybe love is being communicated
somehow make maybe it's a form of data that we don't yet know
how to kind of analyze and read. Maybe love transcends space and
time in the sense that they were millions of miles apart.
But they still were connected in a way.
There's so many people who lose someone and then they are just,
so sure they're still alive, right?
And it turns out they are. They can feel them.
Yay. Yeah, even if you're double
movie is great, in the sense that it dramatizes that love
from distance. Well, they now in quantum
mechanics is entanglement and there's entanglement basically
says distance is not real and so yeah.
And although I didn't see the scene, I had a thought about
what I would do and I pulled a card actually.
So interesting. So the card I pulled is the
universe card. It's the highest card in the
deck and it's all about outer space, actually.
Wow. Um, and it's about the wisdom of
the universe that we can't understand because we're little
creatures, and humans are young species, even to boot.
And what I would want to do, I've had this happen to me.
I would want to get behind the wheel of the spaceship and just
see, and I would make a prayer of take me.
I don't know if I'm talking to an angel or to myself, but to my
body, I would say take me to the right place.
Us for us and I would just see where I go and I've done that a
lot and it's worked out. I just feel there's it's so hard
to know like what the woman said feels right.
If she's not by a she has. She has a person on that planet.
I don't know what she was actually feeling, but if she was
feeling him beckoning, I knew that I would go there.
What's interesting is that she was right, Not only was she
right? It was the data that was coming
from. The other planet was fabricated
because the astronaut who had landed there, had been there for
so many years. He was lonely and disconnected
and his last shot at survival was to fake the data for his
survival. And so they landed, they chose
that planet. They went away from the one, the
woman wanted to go to jail. Landed on another planet and
they made the wrong decision. Yeah.
Which is that love was kind of yeah the right?
Yeah. Yeah.
And if that if Dad is
fabricated, I probably mean I was wondering about that
actually. Was it fake?
You know, but I didn't have all the knowledge of how it could be
fake. But I figured there was martians
there that are trying to lure them so they get eat them.
That's what I was thinking when you said it but yeah, I would go
with the connection to the person And the love connection
is strong. I mean that's basically I think
how I knew my son was okay the whole time he was traveling as I
would tune in to him and see him.
Okay. That's exactly the analogy.
Yeah, right there was no data that in the sense that he
couldn't call you because his phone was out right.
You got it a different way. I got it got it exactly the way
it's good practice to do those things and ultimately there is
leap of faith but it's it's a good one.
Love. Well I think that's a good place
to To leave it. This has been a beautiful
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