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I'm Dustin Grinnell and this is 
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One of my favorite writers is 
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Michael Creighton, author of 
numerous Blockbuster sci-fi 

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thriller has like, Jurassic Park
sphere and pray. 

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I've always appreciated, 
Creighton's unique ability to 

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blend facts and fiction, within 
highly entertaining stories. 

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Although I've enjoyed nearly all
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Novels, one of my favorite books
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his Memoir travels. 
In which he wrote about his 

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journey from Harvard Medical 
School to writing fiction. 

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And as the title suggests, his 
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after the commercial success of 
his novel, The Andromeda Strain,

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which published in 1969, while 
he was still in med school pride

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and made the difficult decision.
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physician and instead moved to 
California to continue, writing 

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paperback fillers for me. 
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travels were crichton's 
Explorations with psychic 

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phenomena, Over the course of 
his life. 

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He interacted with teachers 
trainers, and various spiritual 

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gurus, to experiment, with 
mind-reading, hypnosis, tarot, 

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cards spoon bending past life, 
regression, astral travel, 

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seeing auras and more. 
I admired how he seemed to 

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approach each of these new and 
often strange experiences with 

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the inquiring and skeptical Mind
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But also deep curiosity and 
humility of an artist like 

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Crichton. 
I've studied and worked in the 

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Sciences. 
Has in view the world through a 

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decidedly rational scientific 
perspective and like him. 

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I also can't help, but feel 
drawn to explore the 

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inexplicable with equal parts, 
open-mindedness and disbelief. 

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It's this attitude, that led me 
to today's guest Gene male, a 

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psychic author and teacher, who 
has become a trusted source for 

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people, seeking Clarity and 
understanding in their lives for

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many years. 
Jean, followed a conventional 

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career path before embarking on 
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spiritual exploration. 
And she held positions as the 

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Massachusetts, Medicaid 
director, policy administrator 

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for the City of New York's 
Office of Management and budget 

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and Health, and Welfare. 
And a research consultant on 

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National Health and Welfare 
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She holds a master's degrees 
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Public Health and the Harvard 
Graduate School of Education and

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has an MA in counseling 
psychology from Framingham State

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University, a prolific writer. 
She's also published in National

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journal's, including the 
Atlantic. 

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And has co-authored two books on
Health and Welfare today. 

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Gene helps others navigate the 
complexities of life through a 

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readings and teaches classes and
Taro intuitive visioning. 

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Positive psychology in 
mindfulness who work is not only

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impacted individuals on a 
personal scale but is also 

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resonated on a broader scale. 
She's been recognized for 

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accurate predictions and 
foresight into Global events, 

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earning a reputation as a 
trusted psychic in the realm of 

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world affairs, her insights have
shed light on various Social 

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environmental and political 
issues serving as a wake-up call

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for Humanity to come together 
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Gmail continues to be an 
influential figure in the field 

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of intuition and psychic. 
Exploration her dedication to 

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helping others, her deep 
insights, and her commitment to 

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raising Consciousness have made 
her a Guiding Light in a world 

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that's ever in need of wisdom 
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So sit back, relax and get ready
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Discovery as we delve into the 
fascinating world of Jean mail. 

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Gene male, welcome to the 
podcast, thank you. 

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I'm glad to be here. 
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of launch into some of the 
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a little meditation that kind of
ground us. 

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Yes. 
So please feel free to do that. 

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I think it's a great idea. 
Okay, so let's start and I want 

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to think out loud for a moment 
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And I always want to feel when 
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situation like this, where we're
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I have an angel with me. 
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angel with me, but if I focus on
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So I'm going to visualize first 
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great Angel here and that the 
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studio is and I can feel it. 
Now is filling up with that 

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light that caring, that love and
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true. 
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And now, let's just close our 
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on our senses, just breath, or 
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And make an intention. 
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for good, are good. 
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podcast, good. 
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Okay, I'm ready. 
If you are. 

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I am. 
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Good. 
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few questions that I wanted to 
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want to get a sense of this 
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What is it? 
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What does it look like? 
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get is something that's always 
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forth and what is the purpose of
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Well, guidance is what it's 
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my brain always Operating, you 
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Who are you? 
What is this? 

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And I don't know. 
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says, it's part of your psyche. 
It's the most hope, filled 

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love-filled Present part of your
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But, really when I call upon 
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creature of love. 
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the years who passed, 
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Who was there for me? 
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housekeeper. 
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And sometimes I think it's 
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like just a symbol of like, a 
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Mary or in the tarot, it's the 
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And I know that when I want to 
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last few years, I've let go of 
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I don't want religion in my 
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think it probably goes back to a
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this higher power. 
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at the whole Sky, the whole 
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a definity in the Oneness in the
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Great universe that we can't 
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of. 
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this this Divine loving creature
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are up there. 
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what are their names and I get 
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comprehension but what I do know
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love and caring and it will 
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helped me achieve my goals, 
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I can be. 
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there for all of us, which is to
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other sort of listener could 
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And believing? 
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inside of you that wishes for 
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it's a part of being evolved, 
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wishing to be higher and We just
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We're all specs in a giant 
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of us as specks of just the 
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people who've been in this in 
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very, very evolved and so you're
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And for them to give you a hand,
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they want to and you and I we 
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just send angels I used to try 
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started to realize that it was 
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that I was sending healing. 
It was like taking a piece of me

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and so when I started getting 
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help and people who are very 
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For example, I knew I couldn't 
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If I did it would drain me and I
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like to point to the sky and 
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person. 
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feeling of, I could see what was
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that when I send angels to 
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People humans who are around 
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Angelic Spirit of caring enters,
Oil and I have so many examples.

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Could you share one of Amy's? 
You sent to someone whether it's

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in a healing capacity or an end?
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Well, this is personal, but it's
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So I'll say it for a few years, 
my son, when he graduated 

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college and worked for a while, 
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to travel, he got a backpack and
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and he went on and on for a long
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So I mean, really several years.
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America and he had broken or 
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That was my contact. 
That was our way of knowing, are

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you, okay? 
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to and I mean, it was a mother's
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getting help on that. 
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ask the trees is Tommy, okay, 
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but this time, he He lost his 
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And I was worried and you know, 
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stuff about who he might come in
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didn't have much money left, he 
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hostels and he did very well and
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really well. 
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didn't know it, but he was in 
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traveling and there was a couple
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that. 
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and take care of him. 
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this point where they were going
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so they he got out of the truck 
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they put their arms around him. 
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dollars which was a lot of money
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Tommy didn't really need it, but
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the man wanted him to have it 
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to sleep because he was worried 
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wife put their arms around him 
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He's not a crier but he felt so 
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people and he just felt 
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angels and his and his well 
that's what I was doing. 

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I was sending angels to protect 
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it was manifested through these 
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That's that's what you think. 
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for other people where they'll 
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in trouble and I'll send angels,
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Usually now, I think I've honed 
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actually Trust what I'm seeing 
when I send the angels and they 

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will Rush In. 
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lot of times they're people in 
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a doctor or and then you here 
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and why it turned out, okay, and
who helped that person, and what

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they told them and how they 
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it because it fits what I was 
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So I don't really feel like I'm 
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What I can do is make the 
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for them and send emissaries to 
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And I do think there's an impact
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Studies by the way. 
You know, why don't you share 

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some data? 
I can hear where boston-based. 

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We're very close to MIT and 

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Harvard. 
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That's dance with intellectual. 
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people. 
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town that's full of how very 
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And I hear the skeptical voice 
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What's the mechanism? 
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son? 
From a great distance through a 

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force that isn't yet 
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What's going on? 
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Don't really tell you what the 
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and One really elegant, study 
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studies are done and then people
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that right now, but there were 
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hundreds of them, and they had 
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randomly and the women, and they
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randomly who were praying for 
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pray that they would be able to 
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being prayed for. 
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science, you know? 
I have three master's degrees in

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to take statistics and I was 
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take statistics, but I learned a
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study and what is a good study 
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grew up in that intellectual. 
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where we did studies and 
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from MIT and Harvard and Etc. 
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really isn't about the studies. 
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your inner knowledge. 
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people are witches. 
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stake and stuff like that. 
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the brain, but the reason that 
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intuition, is that our society 
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enough on, hey, what is your gut
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Trusted, even if people tell 
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different, how did the pendulum 
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rational scientific 
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almost like an a revolutionary 
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the sense that we should be more
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Well, I've looked a little of 
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come so far from what we think 
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were telling stories? 
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they had to rely on intuition, I
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rely Von science to they handed 
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and true. 
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be alive today, but I'll just 
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learned, I'd started with 
learning reading Elizabeth 

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mayor's Book, Em, aye are 
extraordinary knowing and she 

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was a psychiatrist at Berkeley 
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music. 
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intuition and she had a 
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just blew her away. 
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she's been 10 years writing it. 
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and back in the late 1800s, 
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James, who was a physician at 
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Psychiatry is one of the 
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believed in psychic stuff, they 
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experiences, and he kept a 
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thick that I believe is in 
William. 

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James Hall. 
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building at Harvard that houses,
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trying to create a body of 
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psychic phenomenon and what I 
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him to do it, but there are 
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religious communities. 
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Catholic church, but that's very
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Christian Society. 
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issue in many organized, 
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they ridiculed these people, but
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power of his own. 
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died, that Skinner came along 
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opposite. 
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It was all about rats and mazes 
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conditioning and we're stimulus 
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but William James has body of 
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Freud was very much interested 
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These folks to move forward, but
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gel. 
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and if you think about it, the 
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mean, I've looked at studies 
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scans where they actually watch 
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they are using their intuition 
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Reptilian Brain, you know, with 
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probably many of those biases 
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were there, or you learned how 
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How did you do that? 
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yeah, took taking somewhat of a 
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educational path and yet you 
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that fit what a lot of people's 
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age of 30 or so, we come more 
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please the family and fit into 
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society and in high school. 
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reading passages back in 1978 
Gayle, she he's book about the 

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changes that happened throughout
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about how in your 20s. 
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your trying out. 
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like your parents. 
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to get a really good job. 
I wanted to be a professional 

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job and I also of course, I 
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everybody was from Harvard MIT. 
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Harvard, I've got to have a 
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UMass and it don't take it 
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life. 
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Crowd. 
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greater demands on myself to. 
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so eager to work anyway, I had 
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earlier dreams, which was that I
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the mayor's office of management
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the field of health, education 
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I found if I thought about it it
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this work that I got excited 
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be analyzed by a million 
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great ideas when I had been in 
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and Welfare. 
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healthcare that they adopted to 
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care costs without Without 
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this ideas person. 
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not data-based. 
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of these things and say, oh, we 
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write an email, I had a great 
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memo. 
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would get in front of the 
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it. 
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I went to New York and it wasn't
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It was, it was a better bigger 
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And right fishing to be really 
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Nothing like it. 
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wasn't satisfied and so I quit 
my job which everyone was 

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shocked and they said where you 
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know, I think what I'm going to 
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and I said, I rented out my 
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so that I didn't have to work 
and because Apartment rates are 

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going up so fast in New York 
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windfall. 
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to get up and figure out what I 
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maybe I will figure out who I 
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And it worked it absolutely 
worked. 

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And where did I end up? 
I ended up going back to Boston 

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and I decided to go and get a 
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Harvard, which sounds like, 
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Because I just needed time, but 
I I knew that I was going in the

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right direction which was 
caring, health care or caring 

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for people. 
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someone took me to see a 
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And fortunately I went to see 
somebody who was, he's passed 

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over now but he was really a 
legend in his own time and he 

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looked me in the eyes and he 
knew everything that mattered to

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me and I remember that moment 
seemed was David Hall and he 

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just said, you need to know what
you need to do. 

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You're asking What work should I
do. 

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And I remember leaving that 
session. 

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He was in a tea room in Boston, 
which was, you know, you pay 

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tips. 
You give tips, and he was, he 

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was so in the lowly level, but 
he was so elevated and I said 

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this changes everything, Hauser,
he had a gift that I had never 

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experienced. 
So clearly, he knew me and he'd 

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never met me. 
He knew my hopes and dreams and 

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thoughts. 
And I mean, I'd gone into 

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therapy and nobody could really 
Get to it. 

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I didn't even know what I 
wanted, but it was like a light 

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bulb going off. 
And, and I remember that moment,

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I said, I have got to understand
this. 

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I have to know what he's doing. 
I have to be able to do it, and 

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I used to go for long walks 
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Reservoir, which is a forest, 
which was where I can clear my 

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head. 
And I decided after a few months

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of that, that I wanted to be 
able to do this, what he was 

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doing. 
And that I just I knew that I 

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could, well, it turns out that 
I've been doing it all my life 

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but I just didn't know what 
intuition really was because, 

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you know, in a way was covered 
up a little and so you went 

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through this period of 
uncovering, but then you in 

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retrospect, you realize you were
using it. 

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Probably in your job, all those 
great ideas that you had were 

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coming through your intuition. 
And so you got more in touch 

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with that and you decided to 
follow it. 

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And in way professionalize it, I
did over time I did. 

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At first, I wanted to just do 
what David could do. 

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And I also and he used to 
meditate and on a timeline for 

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each of his clients. 
And interestingly, now, I have 

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created this timeline meditation
and I don't just so much. 

448
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:35,200
Do it for clients, I do it on 
the world because the world 

449
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,300
matters, our survival matters to
me, so I'm very focused on that 

450
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,500
and I teach others to do it and 
then it turns out after all, 

451
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:44,800
this teaching of people like we 
call it, read the future. 

452
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:47,200
You tonight, it actually has 
RTF. 

453
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,800
We call it these intuitive 
people were flocking to my 

454
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,600
website and to me, to learn how 
to do this, and they also 

455
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,300
discovered their gift and we 
post these predictions. 

456
00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:03,000
And the only reason I post them 
initially was just so that we 

457
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,600
could track ourselves. 
Because when you see something 

458
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,400
that you have seen come true, 
it's like water on your face. 

459
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,900
It's such a wake up to your own 
innate gift and Has the gift and

460
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:21,100
this is a good method, but if we
backtrack a little, what really 

461
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:26,200
woke me up was when I got a 
little deck of tarot cards and 

462
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,400
cards are just pictures. 
That's all they are. 

463
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:33,100
They're just Taro is a 
structured set of pictures that 

464
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:35,900
have been handed down in a 
certain structure that involves 

465
00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:40,100
numerology and organizing the 
way growth happens in a person 

466
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:43,000
and understanding. 
And so it's not just a simple 

467
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,300
pictures but an Initially, for 
me, I would stare at this 

468
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:52,500
picture and all of this 
knowledge would come because 

469
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:55,300
pictures. 
Are they sparked? 

470
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:58,400
The intuition? 
You look at them and you're not 

471
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,500
analyzing them, you're just, you
get a reaction and it's an 

472
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:05,200
unconscious 12 and it's 
unconscious, right? 

473
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,600
And I mean, people call them 
projection devices and, and 

474
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,700
that's used in therapy as well, 
you know, called the, their 

475
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:14,500
systemic Apperception tests, 
which they use for children, 

476
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:17,300
where they The my photograph 
that somewhat neutral and then 

477
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:20,600
they ask the kid to describe 
what they see in that, 

478
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:26,200
photograph and the kid, the 
child will start to reveal their

479
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,800
situation in their home that 
they could never ever talked 

480
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,900
about. 
And now the tarot isn't a 

481
00:29:31,908 --> 00:29:35,600
Thematic Apperception device but
it is, it is pictures. 

482
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,000
And I noticed that when I stared
at a picture, if I was, I had 

483
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,500
roommates and we and I said, 
let's try this. 

484
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:46,200
You know, we were just doing it 
for fun and I, These cards and 

485
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,000
they would ask a question. 
I look at the card and then I'd 

486
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,300
have an Insight, you would have 
an inside, you have an idea, and

487
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:57,200
they would go like, you know, oh
my God, such as what, like what 

488
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,200
kind of insight we ran out of 
ramen noodles and nobody knew 

489
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:05,300
well, like I had an insight 
about you and I that it would be

490
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:07,900
structured. 
Yeah, and and that came from 

491
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:12,100
this card that I pulled that is 
show structure, although we're 

492
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:14,800
keeping to a structure actually,
but it won't question. 

493
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,300
And you're blowing a flow to. 
Yeah, I've approaches as a 

494
00:30:18,308 --> 00:30:20,600
journalist, you may have 
understood like the way it 

495
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,500
prepped and the way I wrote out 
the questions and all the rest, 

496
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:28,300
it's not like a nonlinear thing.
So I'm sure you got that but 

497
00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:31,100
that was explicit. 
But you also got it from an 

498
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:34,500
intuitive sense as well. 
Yeah, it helps when you have a 

499
00:30:34,508 --> 00:30:38,300
little Data Bank but I can do 
this with strangers and people I

500
00:30:38,308 --> 00:30:41,300
don't know. 
And the only thing I need, if 

501
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:43,700
I'm giving a reading and I do 
them on the phone, I used to do 

502
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:46,800
them in person, but I find it 
distracting and I don't want to 

503
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,800
see them physically. 
I want to see them inwardly and 

504
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,300
when you've been doing this for 
30 years, your gifts grow, and 

505
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:59,800
expand, and so I don't just use 
the cards anymore, but they're 

506
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,400
very reliable because I'm very 
visual person as a hobby. 

507
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,700
I was an artist for a long time 
and I did a lot of Photography 

508
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:09,800
and paintings and everything and
I just love the visual, I love 

509
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,900
it and so that's one of the 
senses. 

510
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:19,300
Of the senses that we have are 
also inwardly experienced. 

511
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,300
Not just staring out or 
listening to sound. 

512
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:29,100
You have an inward unconscious 
intuitive reaction and I happen 

513
00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:32,300
to be very good. 
I think most people are actually

514
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:36,000
with the visual sense and they 
have done experiments with this.

515
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,900
They've looked at people who 
were through MRIs, who were 

516
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:42,700
being intuitive, and they can 
see when they're doing it with 

517
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:45,300
their eyes that it comes in and 
actually goes to The visual 

518
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:48,000
cortex, which is the part of the
brain that works with the eyes, 

519
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,200
but it's inner seeing and then 
part of it goes down into The 

520
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,800
Reptilian Brain, but you can 
also be very good in all your 

521
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,500
senses and that's something I've
been working on more and more. 

522
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,100
I'm just saying though that to 
get back to the original topic. 

523
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,200
I pulled a tarot card and it was
instant. 

524
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,500
It was an instant gift and I 
loved it. 

525
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:09,700
And you should always follow 
what you love within reason. 

526
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:12,800
Of course, and it was so much 
easier than other things that I 

527
00:32:12,808 --> 00:32:16,300
had done like. 
Very good with directions. 

528
00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:22,400
Just like a lost coming here and
I don't like arithmetic and 

529
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:26,400
math. 
So you go with your what you are

530
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,800
good at and what gives you Joy 
and it was giving me a lot of 

531
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,700
joy and I was like, this is a 
toy. 

532
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,400
It's fun, but I needed more, I 
needed to turn it in. 

533
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,600
It had to be something that I 
enjoyed. 

534
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,300
And what I discovered was that 
when I was one on one with 

535
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:45,000
people and I was using these 
cards and also I would use Some 

536
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,400
of David's techniques meditating
on them, I could help them and 

537
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,800
that's what I always wanted to 
do. 

538
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:55,200
I always wanted to help people 
your realization was, you know 

539
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,700
after a period of 
disillusionment was to be in 

540
00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:00,200
service with people and to use 
your powers. 

541
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:04,800
These are gifts, I think the 
interesting thing about being on

542
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,900
the phone with someone is that 
it's sort of preamps the 

543
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:12,600
objections Skeptics may have 
which is that you know, psychics

544
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,800
maybe about like kind of pick. 
Going up traits of people while 

545
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,200
they're reading, whether it's 
clothing, whether it's their 

546
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,300
temper and whether it's the way 
they present themselves. 

547
00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:26,100
But on the phone, you're sort of
devoid of all those things. 

548
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:29,700
So you really just using voice 
and Impressions. 

549
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:33,000
And so I'm wondering kind of 
what is the subjective 

550
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,000
experience that you're having 
when you're on the phone with 

551
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,900
someone in there calling you to,
you know, whatever they're 

552
00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:44,400
asking to do. 
What are you reading? 

553
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,500
What are you picking up? 
Well, it's changed over the 

554
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:50,500
years and I can tell you where 
I'm at now with it. 

555
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:57,100
I sit in in a room in my house 
usually and it's out looking out

556
00:33:57,100 --> 00:34:01,600
at a forest and I'm very 
connected to trees and forests 

557
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:08,100
are healing and the first thing 
I do is stare at the trees in 

558
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:12,900
the forest and they are an image
a projection device almost like 

559
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:15,300
a taro Card it is. 
So that's the, the same, its 

560
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:16,199
nature. 
It's yeah. 

561
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,600
It's the same. 
And there's one tree in 

562
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,400
particular. 
During the winter time when 

563
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,400
they're not leafed out, that's 
always the person that I'm 

564
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,699
reading, you know, David that 
teacher, I had years ago, he 

565
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:30,199
would say, Throw light on the 
card, throw light on the card. 

566
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,300
And I didn't quite know what he 
meant, but it's the same thing. 

567
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:37,100
I'm throwing light on the 
forest, you're looking at an 

568
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:44,300
image and you are allowing 
yourself to see It's so hard to 

569
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:47,800
explain it but I've done it in 
classes that I teach and 

570
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,900
everybody gets it and I'll give 
them a card. 

571
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:54,800
This is on a zoom class, right? 
I'll put a card in front of them

572
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:55,900
or years before. 
Zoom. 

573
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:59,200
I would just do it. 
Put it on a screen in the room 

574
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:05,600
and I would say imagine this 
person is the Dalai Lama. 

575
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:12,700
What do you see and their eyes 
would go to certain aspects that

576
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:16,600
fit the Dalai Lama, then I would
say, okay now imagine this 

577
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,600
person is Donald Trump. 
What do you see? 

578
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:21,600
And they would see very 
different stuff and then I would

579
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,400
say this was during the the 
Trump years and but jean you 

580
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,900
know that it's a this you're 
telling me who the person is and

581
00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:33,300
so then I would pick someone in 
the class. 

582
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:37,300
They were in the mode. 
They knew that they Were in some

583
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:40,900
ways doing something, when they 
knew it was the Dalai Lama, they

584
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:44,000
were seeing aspects to the 
picture that fit him. 

585
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,500
And so, then I would say, okay 
now let's pick somebody, we 

586
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:51,400
don't know, we pick a member of 
the class and we'd say that same

587
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,500
image is the person in the 
class. 

588
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:56,200
What do you see? 
And there would be sort of a 

589
00:35:56,207 --> 00:36:01,400
silence and then people would 
explode with something they were

590
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,100
picking up. 
Where was there? 

591
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:05,600
I going. 
What did they feel when they're?

592
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,200
I went that. 
A like, you picking up on the 

593
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,900
guys Buckle, why is it to Sharp 
what? 

594
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:15,800
And it's a primitive method in 
the beginning when you first do 

595
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,700
it. 
But when you practice it enough,

596
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:21,800
you don't even realize anymore, 
how you're breaking apart the 

597
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,100
image, eulau, your psyche, to 
just take you there. 

598
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:28,100
It's what happens when you have 
a lot of experience doing 

599
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:31,500
something. 
So now when I see people, I 

600
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:36,600
don't know, I start with if I'm 
reading them at home, Where that

601
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:42,300
tree is, I will start that way 
and it just tickles or triggers 

602
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:47,000
your brain and you go with the 
way you've been triggered, what 

603
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,500
would be an example, your I had 
one yesterday? 

604
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,800
Hmm, I was reading someone. 
And now the trees are all. 

605
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,100
I was away for two weeks, and 
then I came back in the trees 

606
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:57,800
are all leafed out. 
You can't see the tree very well

607
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,500
anymore. 
And so I'm reading this guy and 

608
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,100
I, suddenly, this is what Dave 
would call throwing. 

609
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:09,300
Right on it. 
I'm suddenly seeing him and I'm 

610
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:16,500
imagining that he's behind those
all that foliage and it's 

611
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:20,500
clouding, his mind. 
And I be getting this image of 

612
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,800
his head is in the clouds and 
that he's just clouded. 

613
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:32,100
And so I talked about that and I
also could see that if he could 

614
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:36,100
just elevate a little bit, his 
head would be above those. 

615
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,300
Those foliage and he would see 
the sky. 

616
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,000
And so I worked on that with 
him. 

617
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,400
How does he stop? 
He was overthinking 

618
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:48,300
overthinking, everything too 
many ideas, too many thoughts, 

619
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,200
too many. 
He couldn't make a decision. 

620
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:55,000
He couldn't even make a decision
about what is true of his own 

621
00:37:55,300 --> 00:38:01,700
person in his life, his partner.
And so you learn to trust these 

622
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:05,400
gut feelings. 
They start to form as you stare 

623
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,000
into these And then there's 
more, there's more because 

624
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:14,900
that's one method. 
Then I ask for feedback, I'll 

625
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:17,000
just say, let me know if it's 
making sense. 

626
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,400
Don't tell me how. 
I just want to know that you're 

627
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,400
getting something out of what 
I'm saying, and he's going right

628
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,900
on keep going now, occasionally 
people will call me who have 

629
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:35,100
been told by a friend. 
Don't say a word, right? 

630
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,900
Yeah, just Keep it all, don't 
say a word, don't even just say 

631
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:41,200
hi. 
Give me a reading. 

632
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:45,100
Well, what can happen? 
It can work if they are very 

633
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:49,900
open and receptive, I can feel 
it and then the reading will 

634
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:58,100
come but if they are suspicious,
I can feel the wall And then 

635
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:01,500
after years of doing this and 
wanting to have fun, while I'm 

636
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,500
doing this or into feel good 
about it, I'm not as interested 

637
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:11,200
in breaking down people's walls.
I think I said to you, you see, 

638
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,800
you notice that I'd written 
somewhere. 

639
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:17,600
It isn't seeing is believing, 
it's believing is seeing and if 

640
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,600
they are Skeptics they're 
blocking and I'm just not 

641
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,700
somebody interested in in 
dealing with that, I'd rather 

642
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:28,700
have a joyful. 
With somebody and I don't want 

643
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:33,200
to just try to change them in 
that way, and it's too much 

644
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,000
work. 
So I can do a reading where a 

645
00:39:36,008 --> 00:39:40,700
person has said nothing. 
If they're open hearted 

646
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:45,600
open-minded, and I can't control
that but I can certainly tell 

647
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,500
when I feel a wall. 
I'm sure over the years you've, 

648
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,400
you know, met with probably 
hundreds of people and do you 

649
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,200
get a sense of what people want 
from you, what they come to you 

650
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,900
for? 
If it's fine to to share what 

651
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:03,900
that man was seeking. 
It sounded like he was in the 

652
00:40:03,908 --> 00:40:07,600
fog, he was he needed Clarity 
and kind of this. 

653
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,900
Something to cope with the 
overthinking. 

654
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:13,900
The kind of step out about like 
so he was maybe in a crisis of 

655
00:40:13,900 --> 00:40:15,400
some kind. 
He didn't know what to do with a

656
00:40:15,408 --> 00:40:20,100
certain relationship and he he 
probably after you got a scent 

657
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:25,200
that they needed to take a break
or, you know, reflect and see 

658
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,200
things clearly. 
And what if you can share, what 

659
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,100
was he looking for? 
And what other people look what 

660
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:33,500
he said he was looking for? 
Was he just wanted to know his 

661
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:38,900
future? 
Don't wind and and this happens 

662
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:44,900
a lot and I'm happy to oblige. 
What I can do I can never sure 

663
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,600
that this is the future but Only
what happens then. 

664
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,400
So what I do for that is I just 
threw a bunch of cards in a row 

665
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:59,600
like a timeline and and I could 
see huge block right away and 

666
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,900
for him, that he was going to go
out into the world, all excited 

667
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:08,100
about something and then block 
block block, you know, problems 

668
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:13,200
problems, problems problems. 
And so, instead of saying that's

669
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,600
your future, I said, let's talk 
about this. 

670
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:27,400
Let's talk about this, let's go 
back to now and what's going on 

671
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,000
inside because if you could 
resolve that you blocks would go

672
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:32,500
away. 
Yeah. 

673
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:34,700
It's everyone really calls for 
healing. 

674
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,400
Hmm. 
And I used to wonder why I get 

675
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,000
excited. 
When a person called them, they 

676
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,000
had a lot of problems or like a 
big problem and I get excited 

677
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,600
because it was easy to Read. 
When you see, there's a problem,

678
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,400
it was just like, you know, a 
storm in, you know, you'd see 

679
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,700
something it would be big as 
opposed to when people call and 

680
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:55,400
say everything's fine. 
Everything's groovy. 

681
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,700
I'm just kind of like Curious 
and but really truly, we're all 

682
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:04,000
seeking healing in one way, we 
all have issues and we're trying

683
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,900
to navigate the world wherein 
and so what I immediately saw 

684
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:12,200
was it wasn't that he needs to 
see his future. 

685
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,800
He needed some hope and he 
needed To unhook some snags 

686
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,300
inside of him. 
It's a lot like an acupuncture 

687
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:22,800
treatment. 
You know, you go and lie down on

688
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,300
the table and the acupuncture is
finds the blocks and then six 

689
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:29,200
and needle in and twist them. 
It's a little like that. 

690
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,400
What was the? 
But in this sense, it's 

691
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,100
cognitive. 
It's like a mental process. 

692
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:36,900
So, what did you unblock in his 
own mind or help him? 

693
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:41,800
See, mostly codependency. 
Okay, so there's a therapeutic 

694
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,700
angle turned out like, yeah. 
You need to take care of 

695
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:46,300
yourself. 
What do you want? 

696
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:49,200
What do you want to do? 
Oh, I want to do this, but I 

697
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:55,000
need to consider the other 
people in my life, and so it was

698
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,400
a lot like therapy, but it was 
intuitive, very intuitive. 

699
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:04,800
And then, I was able to actually
see a path where he would go and

700
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,200
how it would work. 
And mean you can always ask the 

701
00:43:07,207 --> 00:43:12,100
question. 
Well, if I take that dream trip 

702
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:16,700
that I want to take in this 
case, it was To Europe. 

703
00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:20,900
How will it turn out? 
I can get some Vibe on that. 

704
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:25,800
It's just that It's Tricky. 
The future itself, telling 

705
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:31,500
people, the future takes a lot 
of discernment and care and 

706
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:35,200
humility. 
You have to know that you're 

707
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,500
working with something so 
uncertain. 

708
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:41,700
It's like working with the 
weather and so I try to go to 

709
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:44,700
the point. 
That is certain where is there? 

710
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,500
a wound that is going to Derail 
them. 

711
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,800
And let's go there and let's 
open it and let's clear it up 

712
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,000
and you could say, well Gene, 
you're just a psychotherapist. 

713
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Well, yeah, I got trained in it 
in psychotherapy but that isn't 

714
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:06,100
really, I mean, and there are 
therapists who probably do what 

715
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:08,200
I do. 
In fact, I know a psychiatrist 

716
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:13,600
who uses tarot as well as all 
the tools that she can find that

717
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,900
will help people, but I wouldn't
call myself a psychotherapist at

718
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:19,800
all. 
Don't see people regularly 

719
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,500
weekly or any of that, it's more
of a aha. 

720
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:27,200
I try to give a reading that 
will have people have a release 

721
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,700
of some kind inside of them, 
that freeze them and then they 

722
00:44:30,700 --> 00:44:34,300
can go forward and insight, that
will really help them. 

723
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:39,200
Yeah, and I was also realizing 
that there's a certain level of 

724
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,800
compassion that you have in your
work and the sense that you saw 

725
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,000
those blocks but you didn't 
communicate those blocks, you 

726
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,800
actually kind of backed up. 
Yeah, and I worked on them. 

727
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:50,300
Yeah. 
Instead of there would be 

728
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:55,800
something pessimistic about 
sharing the actual site you know

729
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,300
really made a commitment years 
ago to do no harm. 

730
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,600
And if you hit somebody with 
some awful thing that you see 

731
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:11,100
coming in a way that they cannot
overcome their fear, then you've

732
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:16,400
harmed them. 
And I don't do that and people 

733
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,200
say will tell me everything, I 
don't want you to hide. 

734
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:22,200
I think I don't really hide 
anything, but there's always 

735
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,900
hope. 
And the other thing you 

736
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:27,900
mentioned to me that you'd seen 
on my site was a roomy 

737
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:30,500
statement. 
That the wound is where ya 

738
00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:34,100
feeling is wound, is the place 
where light enters you, thank 

739
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:39,600
you. 
So it's really very healing to 

740
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:45,600
find the wound and open it up 
and let the light come in 

741
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,900
because we're all like, little 
babies trying to learn how to 

742
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:49,400
walk. 
You know, we're going to fall 

743
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,000
and we got to get back up. 
And the falling is where the 

744
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,200
learning is, the crash is where 
the learning is and is true for 

745
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,300
our entire civilization. 
Like the pandemic was a huge 

746
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:02,200
learning experience and it's 
true for individuals. 

747
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,900
Now, this isn't to say that 
there isn't inside. 

748
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:12,300
I can give in a situation that 
will be helpful like and I do 

749
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,400
court cases. 
For example, somebody is going 

750
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,400
to court in a divorce case and I
want to know who the judges and 

751
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,800
I'm going to read the judge 
because I want to know what he's

752
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,000
he or she is going to think or 
how they are predisposed. 

753
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,300
And I've been helpful not only 
to people going into court 

754
00:46:31,300 --> 00:46:34,600
cases, but to litigators. 
You need to know. 

755
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,400
It's helpful to know how these 
judges are predisposed. 

756
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:43,100
So I attorneys have hired you to
read the judge. 

757
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,700
Yes. 
So that they can yes, get a 

758
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:47,500
competitor. 
Sometimes it's a panel of 

759
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:50,500
judges. 
And if it's an appeals case, it 

760
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:55,000
can be a panel. 
So yeah, I've done that and and 

761
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,700
so I don't want to make it sound
too. 

762
00:46:56,700 --> 00:47:01,100
So all I do is sort of, you 
know, therapeutic thing. 

763
00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:03,300
Yeah. 
Sometimes we need we need a 

764
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:08,400
little info and this gift is 
pretty vast. 

765
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:13,700
And I have to keep saying this, 
everyone has this gift and so I 

766
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:17,800
really love teaching people to 
find it in themselves, but I 

767
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,500
never want to Stop giving 
readings myself because I think 

768
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:24,900
it's just destined. 
I think I'm just supposed to 

769
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,100
because I want to. 
Yeah. 

770
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,900
Do you have a sense that you 
know, that our species probably 

771
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:36,100
should get past a scientific or 
irrational reductionist Point of

772
00:47:36,107 --> 00:47:39,400
View to a more evolved space 
where Consciousness is a little 

773
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,100
bit more in touch with intuitive
abilities? 

774
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:42,800
Do you think that would be more 
evolved species? 

775
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,200
And yes, maybe we'll be less 
harmful to each other. 

776
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,800
Yes, home for two reasons. 
One reason is Is people are told

777
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,700
what to think. 
Yeah, media tells people what to

778
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:55,900
think, manufactured consent. 
Yeah. 

779
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,400
And if you are more in touch 
with your gut instincts, which 

780
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,700
start with the body and the 
psyche then you have a direct 

781
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:10,200
relationship to what's going on 
in the world as opposed to 

782
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,800
through another. 
Now, you know centuries ago it 

783
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,600
was through a priest or 
magistrate or someone. 

784
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:21,000
Now it's more through the media.
So teaching people intuition 

785
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,900
will mean more. 
I think it means more 

786
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:28,400
authenticity in the way people 
think and not just about what 

787
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,400
people are telling them about 
the world. 

788
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,900
But also in their relationships,
there are people who are 

789
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:36,100
controlled by their Partners. 
You know, codependency they're 

790
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:39,700
unhappy, they're miserable and 
yet they feel like I need to be 

791
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:42,500
good. 
I need to do what he or she says

792
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,600
and so learning to trust your 
gut, your gut instincts. 

793
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:51,400
Is critical to authenticity. 
It's very tied up with 

794
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,100
mindfulness, which is, of 
course, very popular, right now,

795
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:58,900
except mindfulness teachers 
don't take the next step to 

796
00:48:58,900 --> 00:49:01,200
intuition. 
They do tend to be very 

797
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,800
intuitive though. 
It's interesting because you 

798
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,500
know, I think getting more in 
touch with your gut and 

799
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:12,000
intuition, it's very empowering 
thing because like you said, 

800
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,400
you're not dependent on figuring
out what to think and feel by an

801
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:22,100
external Source you Can start to
make decisions as a free thinker

802
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:26,200
as a free feeler, you know, and 
I think that makes you almost 

803
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,800
like vaccinates you against 
people who may want to control. 

804
00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:36,700
Or you know, whether it is 
someone acting in bad faith or I

805
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:39,800
can't imagine you would be very 
vulnerable to like falling into 

806
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,300
a cult. 
If you were really well tuned to

807
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:45,800
your gut because you know, that 
doesn't ring true. 

808
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,600
You know? 
You would feel the bad 

809
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:48,900
intentions. 
That's right. 

810
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,800
And so I think it's a very 
empowering thing to learn how to

811
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,400
trust your gut. 
I do too. 

812
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,000
And you know it's interesting 
because even in reviewing 

813
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:02,000
science it's important or even 
being a scientist, it's 

814
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,900
important to be able to see the 
woods from the trees, which is 

815
00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:09,200
what this is, you know, 
intuition is an altogether, 

816
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,400
spontaneous view of things where
you're putting all the pieces 

817
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:20,400
together in one View and so even
in reviewing science, I use my 

818
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,200
intuition. 
It's just a feeling, all the 

819
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,200
greatest, scientists. 
All of our breakthroughs have 

820
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,300
come through intuition, in the 
sense that we have pal, 

821
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:34,900
penicillin was discovered, we 
all know of Einstein and his 

822
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:37,600
thought experiments and Marconi 
and the radio. 

823
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,600
He just, he was 13 years old 
wireless communication. 

824
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:45,900
He just thought he just knew it 
and then he spent his life. 

825
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:48,400
Yes. 
Proving it making it happen and 

826
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,300
it Experimenting with it, but I 
love and, and Jonas, all this 

827
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:56,100
very famous for coming up with 
the statement that every 

828
00:50:56,100 --> 00:51:00,600
morning, he wakes up wondering. 
What will pop up that day? 

829
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,000
What will his intuition tell him
that day and I hope that's 

830
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,700
really his statement. 
Sometimes, things are attributed

831
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:12,600
to people that aren't true. 
But it's goes true to the 

832
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,300
statement of a good scientist is
somebody who can see the wood 

833
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:17,900
from the trees? 
I think James Hansen is a 

834
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:23,800
climate As I read his, he was 
the NASA scientists who left the

835
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,000
administration and went out on 
his own. 

836
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:31,300
I started reading his studies. 
I wasn't actually able to read 

837
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:34,100
the studies are so technical, 
but reading what he was saying 

838
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:38,400
about his studies many 10 years 
ago or more and I knew instantly

839
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,100
disguise, right? 
And other people didn't agree, 

840
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,500
but I could feel it. 
I just, I felt that he was right

841
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:50,500
and because I could feel him. 
And I mean, I knew that he was 

842
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:53,200
deeply sincere about what he was
doing. 

843
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:58,100
I could feel how smart he was, 
but also, I have probably my 

844
00:51:58,100 --> 00:52:02,900
biggest, most accurate intuition
has been about the environment 

845
00:52:02,900 --> 00:52:05,900
and the climate in the visions 
that I've gotten a lot for the 

846
00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:08,900
longest stretch going back, 30 
years ago. 

847
00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:12,200
And what will happen with 
civilization and how will the 

848
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,600
climate go. 
So, I was very much in need of a

849
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,400
climate scientists who I could 
trust and he was Sidered Fringe 

850
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:24,900
and now he's been right. 
So right. 

851
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:27,400
I just think the only thing is 
that he's he's a little 

852
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,300
conservative, I think things are
going to happen. 

853
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:32,600
Much faster than he said, but 
he's a scientist, he has to 

854
00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:36,200
stick with what evidence he has 
and I don't, I can stick with 

855
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,400
what my gut feeling is. 
I find that idea, fascinating, 

856
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,800
that you can have an Insight 
that's profound and you could 

857
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,400
spend the rest of your life, 
using the Rational side of your 

858
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,000
mind to kind of prove it out. 
That's fascinating. 

859
00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:52,000
And speaking of Einstein, I just
did want to share one quote that

860
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,300
relates to what we've been 
talking about. 

861
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:56,800
He said the workings of 
intuition transcend, those of 

862
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,900
the intellect in our as well. 
Known Innovation is often a 

863
00:53:00,908 --> 00:53:04,500
Triumph of intuition over logic 
that's Albert. 

864
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,600
Einstein you know that's he 
worked it out through intuition 

865
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,200
and then use math to prove it 
out. 

866
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:12,900
Yes. 
Because he was considered a 

867
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:17,100
quack really I mean he was 
you're going against 

868
00:53:17,100 --> 00:53:20,300
conventional thought. 
And to go against conventional, 

869
00:53:20,308 --> 00:53:26,100
thought they're all using their 
own Data Bank, you have to come 

870
00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:29,200
up with a new data Bank. 
Really you have to come up with 

871
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,800
something new that they don't 
know about and it takes a leap 

872
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,600
to do that and where you going 
to get it there. 

873
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:42,900
You know, the mind has the brain
has literally I think millions 

874
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:47,600
of thoughts synapses thoughts 
and how does one of them come to

875
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,700
cognitive? 
This, how does it get to the 

876
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:52,600
surface where you're actually 
aware that, you're thinking it 

877
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,300
and you're thinking it and 
talking about it? 

878
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:59,000
I feel that's intuition and 
that's a one-in-a-million kind 

879
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:05,500
of image or thought and do you 
have like a for everyday people 

880
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:07,000
who are just going about their 
lives? 

881
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,100
And they don't have much, you 
know, connection to these ideas 

882
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:13,700
about intuitive abilities. 
They don't see psychics, They 

883
00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:16,400
Don't Really necessarily have 
any objections or skepticism. 

884
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,500
But what do you say to people? 
That what are a few things I can

885
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:25,600
do to get more intuitive and we 
talking about walking in the 

886
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,500
forest and of getting quiet. 
Do we talking about meditating? 

887
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:33,400
What gives you the best chance 
for Access? 

888
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,500
It's um it's a hard thing. 
I have my first thought was when

889
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:39,900
you start at the, when I knew 
where you were going with, the 

890
00:54:39,908 --> 00:54:45,100
sentence was know what you love 
and love, what you love Mary 

891
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:50,000
Oliver in her famous poem, The 
Wild Geese says, You know, she's

892
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,500
saying, trust your body, your 
body, the wisdom of the body, 

893
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:56,800
which is what meditation or 
mindfulness meditation is about 

894
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,700
trust the breathing in, and out,
everyone's different in how they

895
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:06,700
find the quietness to be able to
hear the signal from all the 

896
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:09,600
noise. 
And for me, it's walking in the 

897
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:14,500
forest, I would probably be do 
well walking on the beach. 

898
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:19,400
I swim every day when I get in 
the pool, I get clear. - forfeit

899
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:25,300
anything that takes care of you,
other than addictions like when 

900
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:28,400
I say that, I mean, like, well 
if stuffing yourself with 

901
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,000
donuts, seems to take care of 
you, I would say no, that is not

902
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,100
going to clear your head right 
over in watching, you know, 

903
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:38,700
binging on movies or that's 
really just anesthetized saying 

904
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:40,600
yourself. 
That's not self care. 

905
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,200
Nurse that's not have civility. 
Yeah, it's better than nothing. 

906
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:47,200
But if you think you're going to
break down, but walk in the 

907
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,400
woods, they call it Forest. 
Bathing getting in a quiet 

908
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,800
space. 
And that's why one of the 

909
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,100
reasons I had to get another dog
when our dog died. 

910
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:01,000
As I said, I got to get out into
the woods and I know I'll do it 

911
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:06,200
for the dog and the beach. 
Some people just like to sit 

912
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,800
quietly and for some people 
listening to music or singing 

913
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,000
themselves. 
You know, there's so many ways 

914
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:19,500
laughter to, you know, jokes and
laughter anything to Stress. 

915
00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:24,500
But I say get away, like get out
of the house and go out, go for 

916
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:28,700
a walk, some people, a ski or 
they do Sports the body, it's 

917
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:31,700
really help, helpful to 
exercise. 

918
00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:34,500
And then it's one thing to get 
the Insight, something to follow

919
00:56:34,500 --> 00:56:37,200
it, isn't it? 
The inside comes, when we get 

920
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,900
away from all that stress and 
noise in the to-do list and and 

921
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:46,100
the monkey mind, and it's funny 
how we start to get insights. 

922
00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:51,500
We start to think, you know, I 
really should Do this and it's 

923
00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:55,200
often so simple. 
You know, I teach this course 

924
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,400
now called become deeply 
intuitive. 

925
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,200
I haven't set it up for this 
year yet. 

926
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:03,000
Originally, I taught all these 
tricks like that, psychics use 

927
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,000
like the cards and, you know, 
timeline meditations and stuff 

928
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:13,100
like that, but really, it's 
about finding out how you are 

929
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:15,900
intuitive. 
And you've been intuitive, 

930
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:18,300
you've been doing it all your 
life, you've been doing since 

931
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:23,700
you were Maybe and then going 
back and reviewing the moments 

932
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:27,600
in which you got it, right? 
And you didn't even realize it 

933
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:32,700
and then that alone can help to 
bring you into a more intuitive 

934
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:34,700
State. 
That's why I track into it all 

935
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:37,600
our predictions so that people 
can at least, say cheese, I 

936
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,600
sought that. 
Oh wow, but it you go one step 

937
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,100
further. 
I've asked my students to send 

938
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:48,200
me a letter when they first 
start the course list all the 

939
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,600
ways. 
You've been intuitive 

940
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,300
everything. 
Anything even the silliest 

941
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:55,400
things and then read it over. 
Yeah. 

942
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,100
So we just have like three 
minutes left and it occurred to 

943
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:01,500
me. 
I wanted to go into places, but 

944
00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:04,100
you really can't at this point. 
But at one I was like, maybe 

945
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:06,700
just you could throw a card or 
to see what happens. 

946
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:10,400
And the other I wanted to maybe 
run that seen by Interstellar by

947
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,300
you to see if you had any 
thoughts on it. 

948
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,700
But there is a great scene in 
that movie Interstellar by 

949
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:20,500
Christopher Nolan and I think 
for some reason ended up in my 

950
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:24,400
questions to you because the 
scene is exploring something 

951
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,000
that's non-scientific and it's a
bunch of astronauts talking who 

952
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:34,600
are very scientific, but I think
the gist of it is that maybe 

953
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:40,200
there is a another level of 
space and time that we humans 

954
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:46,200
aren't in contact with at the 
moment that sometimes we get 

955
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:51,400
access to, and The idea was they
were just basically explorers 

956
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:55,400
astronauts out in space, looking
for a new planet. 

957
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,000
So that our species can move 
because we had the, our planet 

958
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,800
had had become more or less on 
livable and we needed to 

959
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,300
relocate. 
They explored one planet and it 

960
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:08,200
didn't work out and they only 
have fuel for to go to one more 

961
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,500
plan it out of two. 
And so they had to make a 

962
00:59:10,508 --> 00:59:15,200
decision and basically two 
previous explorers had landed on

963
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,900
both those planets and they were
communicating up data and One of

964
00:59:18,900 --> 00:59:23,100
those planets was communicating 
data, that said the planet was 

965
00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:25,700
perfect in terms of all the 
metrics you would use to assess 

966
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:29,800
whether humans can live there 
and the other had no longer been

967
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,700
transmitting data. 
They thought that the astronaut 

968
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:37,700
probably had passed and the idea
was that one of the astronauts 

969
00:59:37,700 --> 00:59:40,100
said, well, that's really an 
obvious choice, right? 

970
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:45,800
We have the data, but the other 
astronaut was saying, I don't 

971
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,400
know why, but I don't think we 
should go to that planet. 

972
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:51,300
I think we should go to the 
other planet even though it 

973
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:56,100
didn't have the data and the 
astronaut immediately brought up

974
00:59:56,100 --> 01:00:00,100
to everybody else that the woman
who was saying that had a 

975
01:00:00,100 --> 01:00:02,900
previous romantic relationship 
with the with the explorer who 

976
01:00:02,900 --> 01:00:06,400
was on that other planet. 
So he kind of thought she was 

977
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,600
being blinded by right. 
She wanted to see her, she want 

978
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,900
to see him again and she said 
that she said, is there a part 

979
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:14,400
of me that wants to see him 
again? 

980
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,500
Yes, but is a great kind of 
two-and-a-half minute scene, 

981
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:23,200
where she talks about. 
Maybe love is being communicated

982
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,400
somehow make maybe it's a form 
of data that we don't yet know 

983
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:34,200
how to kind of analyze and read.
Maybe love transcends space and 

984
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,300
time in the sense that they were
millions of miles apart. 

985
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:39,700
But they still were connected in
a way. 

986
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,800
There's so many people who lose 
someone and then they are just, 

987
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,700
so sure they're still alive, 
right? 

988
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:48,400
And it turns out they are. 
They can feel them. 

989
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:50,100
Yay. 
Yeah, even if you're double 

990
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:52,900
movie is great, in the sense 
that it dramatizes that love 

991
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,700
from distance. 
Well, they now in quantum 

992
01:00:55,700 --> 01:00:58,700
mechanics is entanglement and 
there's entanglement basically 

993
01:00:58,700 --> 01:01:02,400
says distance is not real and so
yeah. 

994
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:07,400
And although I didn't see the 
scene, I had a thought about 

995
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,300
what I would do and I pulled a 
card actually. 

996
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,400
So interesting. 
So the card I pulled is the 

997
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,400
universe card. 
It's the highest card in the 

998
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,500
deck and it's all about outer 
space, actually. 

999
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:21,500
Wow. 
Um, and it's about the wisdom of

1000
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:26,600
the universe that we can't 
understand because we're little 

1001
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:31,000
creatures, and humans are young 
species, even to boot. 

1002
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:34,700
And what I would want to do, 
I've had this happen to me. 

1003
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:38,100
I would want to get behind the 
wheel of the spaceship and just 

1004
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:42,600
see, and I would make a prayer 
of take me. 

1005
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:46,100
I don't know if I'm talking to 
an angel or to myself, but to my

1006
01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:48,600
body, I would say take me to the
right place. 

1007
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,800
Us for us and I would just see 
where I go and I've done that a 

1008
01:01:52,800 --> 01:02:00,000
lot and it's worked out. 
I just feel there's it's so hard

1009
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,700
to know like what the woman said
feels right. 

1010
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:09,900
If she's not by a she has. 
She has a person on that planet.

1011
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:15,200
I don't know what she was 
actually feeling, but if she was

1012
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:20,600
feeling him beckoning, I knew 
that I would go there. 

1013
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,400
What's interesting is that she 
was right, Not only was she 

1014
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,500
right? 
It was the data that was coming 

1015
01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:30,000
from. 
The other planet was fabricated 

1016
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,200
because the astronaut who had 
landed there, had been there for

1017
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,800
so many years. 
He was lonely and disconnected 

1018
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,900
and his last shot at survival 
was to fake the data for his 

1019
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:44,400
survival. 
And so they landed, they chose 

1020
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,000
that planet. 
They went away from the one, the

1021
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,900
woman wanted to go to jail. 
Landed on another planet and 

1022
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:51,700
they made the wrong decision. 
Yeah. 

1023
01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:56,400
Which is that love was kind of 
yeah the right? 

1024
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,100
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1025
01:02:58,300 --> 01:02:59,700
Yeah. 
And if that if Dad is 

1026
01:02:59,700 --> 01:03:04,000
fabricated, I probably mean I 
was wondering about that 

1027
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,100
actually. 
Was it fake? 

1028
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:08,400
You know, but I didn't have all 
the knowledge of how it could be

1029
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,600
fake. 
But I figured there was martians

1030
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,500
there that are trying to lure 
them so they get eat them. 

1031
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,200
That's what I was thinking when 
you said it but yeah, I would go

1032
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,500
with the connection to the 
person And the love connection 

1033
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,900
is strong. 
I mean that's basically I think 

1034
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:25,800
how I knew my son was okay the 
whole time he was traveling as I

1035
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,600
would tune in to him and see 
him. 

1036
01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:30,300
Okay. 
That's exactly the analogy. 

1037
01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:32,400
Yeah, right there was no data 
that in the sense that he 

1038
01:03:32,408 --> 01:03:34,500
couldn't call you because his 
phone was out right. 

1039
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,800
You got it a different way. 
I got it got it exactly the way 

1040
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:41,700
it's good practice to do those 
things and ultimately there is 

1041
01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:45,100
leap of faith but it's it's a 
good one. 

1042
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,400
Love. 
Well I think that's a good place

1043
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,500
to To leave it. 
This has been a beautiful 

1044
01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:53,900
conversation and thank you for 
coming. 

1045
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,800
It's been wonderful talking with
you. 

1046
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,100
Thank you. 
Thanks for listening to this 

1047
01:03:59,100 --> 01:04:01,800
episode of curiously. 
I hope you enjoyed this 

1048
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,600
conversation with Jean male. 
Stay tuned for more 

1049
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,000
conversations with people and 
meet along the way. 

1050
01:03:48,700 --> 01:03:51,500
To leave it. 
This has been a beautiful 

1051
01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:53,900
conversation and thank you for 
coming. 

1052
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,800
It's been wonderful talking with
you. 

1053
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,100
Thank you. 
Thanks for listening to this 

1054
01:03:59,100 --> 01:04:01,800
episode of curiously. 
I hope you enjoyed this 

1055
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,600
conversation with Jean male. 
Stay tuned for more 

1056
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,000
conversations with people and 
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