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Hi, Thomas. That's Thomas saying hello,
folks. Yeah, how are you doing?
Good brother, how are you? Thanks again for making the
time. I always appreciate these talks.
You know, I, I sent someone months ago when we first started
doing shows together. I'm like, it's, it's a very
humbling kind of experience to, to have Thomas 777 on, you know,
on speed dial essentially. So I, I always appreciate it
man, when you can make the time to come on the show.
Yeah, of course I I appreciate being invited to do such things
now. So got you here to talk about
the BLOB specifically and then wind conditions and a whole
bunch of other things that are kind of connected to this.
Part of the inspiration for talking about this whole thing
is I think there's we discussed this when I had you on the show
talking about Ukraine and even I think with Israel and Gaza is
that there's people have to understand a wind, what a wind
condition really is. And by setting your sights to
these unfathomable, what kind of what you're going to conditions
that sound good on paper and certainly, you know, can be a
cool narrative device. But in actuality, when you get
boots on the ground and you're actually trying to do something,
a lot of these wooden conditions don't make sense.
So now we're having to lead up to the election 2024.
You know, there's a lot of people gathering behind Trump
and, and Vance and PayPal Mafia and all these other things that
we've talked about on the show quite a bit.
And I think there's a lot of people who think that by this,
by getting these guys in, that's it, right?
We won and things will just get better and millions of people
deported and yada yada, yada, yada.
I think what they're really setting themselves up for is
massive disappointment, partly because the, the, the election
really isn't Republican versus Democrat.
It's people versus the system. And unless the system itself is
is challenged and in some ways dismantled or changed in any
substantial way, which is not going to be taken, which is not
going to be done in four years by the way, by my my reckoning,
then then we're just going to be caught inside this BLOB using
the term the BLOB. Mark Benz, the former State
Department guy who's been making a bit of a career out of this,
has defined it by by saying the BLOB is essentially the state
combination of the State Department, intelligence
community and the Defense Department.
So the diplomacy, defense and intelligence agencies of the of
the United States or the transatlantic partnership in
conjunction with the corporate and financial institutions.
So banks and financial institutions and major
corporations that kind of feed off each other and this explains
a lot of geopolitics that we're seeing and can also explain
conditions on the ground currently in in the West,
immigration policies, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
So as I'm sitting at that table, so you can dine there, Thomas,
maybe we we can start with, is this where did this kind of
start? I, as far as I can tell, it's
begins this this sort of managerial states situation
starts to coalesce. We could say right before,
certainly right after World War One and kind of comes into full
fruition or partly full fruition after World War 2 with with a
new deal. It takes on a second form after
the assassination of JFK and has now started to morph itself into
this unworkable thing, which is both a good and bad thing for us
because on one hand it's it's totalitarian and, and, and
inherently evil and has to be worked against the the benefit
now that we're seeing as it's, it's starting to fall apart in
one way shape or form. So I don't know that's that's a
lot of preamble for me, but where do you want to start with
all that? I mean, what?
I mean, what are you asking me? Are you asking me like what the
shape and configuration is, the power in America And like why
it's like that? Is that what you're asking me?
Yeah. Like, OK, so where, where does
this BLOB thing start? Where, where?
Because I think you've, you've kind of detailed this a little
bit with Pete in both post Westphalian model that's kind of
collapsed. And then even with the creation
of Detente, like there's like there's these mechanisms at play
that are, that are, let's say, not no longer centralized in one
in one power verb. Because it's no longer, you
can't say that the, that the president of the, of the, the
executive branch really holds power anymore that these power
has been dispersed throughout these, throughout these
institutions and organizations that are acting both
independently and, and collectively at the same time.
And I think it's, it's, it's sort of, it's key to
understanding exactly what we're up against and how we can make
moves on the ground. Well, yeah, I mean, if you're
asking me like, what the configuration is of like the
regime we live under, it's got nothing to do with Kennedy being
murdered. Take it off the table.
There has been there has been a portion America to basically
like geld the executive. I mean that that even before
Nixon, like the term imperial executive, they got coined
during the Johnson administration and a lot of a
lot of the accusations that were levied against Nixon.
I'm not talking about the Watergate nothing scandal.
And I mean, like, in terms of, you know, what was suggested to
the executive overreach and things like this, a lot of that
began under Johnson, you know, and this idea that, oh, there's
this risk of, you know, the executive like exploiting
Article 2 and, and, and in the modern state, that's just too
much power for one man to wield. And they tried to piggyback that
too, on this idea that there's some kind of conspiracy around
the Vietnam War and that it wasn't really just kind of the
realization of what policy was from Truman onward, you know,
like things like that. I don't think power is really
diffuse. I think it's incredibly
concentrated, but it's not, it's not concentrated.
And public official, though. I'm like nobody, nobody takes
the government seriously anymore.
You know, that's why there's there's a what if these people
represent government? They're they're like game show
hosts like Donald Trump. They're like these corny, kind
of like nothing people like Missus Harris, who, you know,
like nobody takes seriously at the lower levels.
It's like pretty ladies in Congress who like pose in
bikinis, but he's like weird gay guys who like just they're,
they're kind of professional cocktail party guests, but
they're, you know, they're kind of like a front man for, you
know, various interest groups and things.
And so their, their, their job is literally kind of just like
represent those interests and, and in some kind of visible
capacity in the US Senate. Like nobody, nobody takes that
stuff seriously anymore. You know, I don't, I'm not like
a Trump hater, but Trump's not a particularly serious guy.
Like, he's silly and like the reason why like he gravitates
towards Washington these days is because of what I said like 40
years ago, you, you would not have characters like Trump in
Washington. Like 40 years ago, you'd, you'd
have Elon Musk, you know, either in like a, a role like McNamara
was, if the country was, was actively at war or in an
advisory role that indexed very strongly with the National
Defense establishment. Like Jerry Parnell was.
You know, he'd be very much a public intellectual who, who's,
who's sort of bread and butter would be on the conceptual side,
like, you know, developing, developing proposals that would
rectify, you know, the, the strategic imbalance as perceived
and, and things going into deep parodies and like stuff like
that. So part of this is ideological.
The government you live under is not, it's not the legacy
government of George Washington or something just with like high
tech around it and, and, and more power.
It's in 1933 was, it was as much a revolutionary imperative that
created the Roosevelt administration as as it was
revolutionary imperative like created the, you know, the
national social state. And in the same year and that,
you know, two decades previous, it had, you know, created the
the Soviet Empire. You know, it's an ideological
state. It's, it's objectives are social
engineering, the establishment of a, a planetary government,
you know, and the conditioning of human beings at scale to
eradicate any, any historical or, or ethnic or sectarian or,
or psychological basis basis of identitarian of, of identitarian
self concepts, you know, other than things that, you know, the
regime approves of. And that can be said to be truly
like non political, like like theoretically, like anything can
be political. But you know, if you're saying
like I'm not, I'm not a Christian or a Muslim or a
Protestant or, or a white man or, or a black guy.
I'm, I'm like a gay person or like, I'm a person who, you
know, like believes in these like abstract social values.
Like it's not really an identity, you know, in, in any
like precedent sentence. And it's not, you know, the, the
reason, the reason those things are encouraged is precisely what
I said, you know, because it, it, it, it takes, it takes the
politicization of identity off the table and it, it, it, it
renders man into, into into, into into just kind of looks
like a nerd, like integer kind of.
So I mean, that that's, that's, that's what that, that's, that's
the underlying objective of the regime.
So like, if you, you can't really, like, if you talk about
the, if you talk about the government, like it's like, oh,
the wrong people are staffing it or like, it's because of like
liberals or like Marxists as these like illiberate people
call them. Like that's not the case.
Like it's the the configuration of it is 100% tailored to
implement this social engineering regime.
And secondarily, it was tailored to fight the Cold War And it it
it kind of accidentally put itself out of business.
Like people like Bush and Baker and like Scowcroft, whatever
people think of those guys, like they, they were very sincere in
and like with their vision for like the post Cold War world.
Like they, this wasn't like some kind of Ledger made, but at the
level of the deep state, like not even entirely consciously,
like I, you know, they, it, it didn't know what these people
and the institutions they served like didn't know what to do with
themselves. Like after November 9th, 1989.
You know, that's why that's why policy doesn't really make any
sense. Like even at the point again,
again to people that like, like NATO was moronic, like even if
you had this concept in mind just for the sake of a factual
that like Russia is just like grave, like security threat, OK?
Like you wouldn't configure a military alliance today like
NATO because that's obsolete and it doesn't make any sense.
And like a treaty, like any law, it's only, it's only worth the
proverbial paper it's written on if conceptually it reflects like
actual circumstances, OK. And if you read the NATO
charter, look, America's not going to treat an attack on
Hungary as an attack on the United States, OK?
That's not that's not going to happen.
That's ridiculous OK, so this idea that like NATO just must
exist for the sake of existing and it's like some moral
imperative for it to exist. That's bizarre, OK, but it's
because of what I said it's because the regime's not really
structured to do much. Like it's not even really
structured for a globalist imperative, you know, because
it's inflexible and it doesn't it doesn't apply power and and
nuanced way. And you know, even even stuff
like at the level down to like the company operational level.
You know, when America deployed to Afghanistan, it was like it
was like following these like Cold War imperatives, like we're
going to train indigenous forces.
It's like to do what like fight the imaginary Soviet Union.
Like that's not how you do things.
Like if you wanted some kind of forward deployment in
Afghanistan, you know, to kind of like, you know, to kind of,
if you know, to kind of keep Kodak standard Bay to, you know,
to, to be able to like, you know, deploy against the the
Russian Federation in Central Asia, you know, to kind of like
put pressure on India. Do you want like, OK, get that.
But running around pretending it's 1963 and you're in Vietnam
and you're training indigenous forces, that makes 0 fucking
sense. OK.
So that's, that's a big part of it.
The problem with people thinking that, you know, and you know, at
policy level too, like everything that's happening
right now is very purposeful, you know, and I, I'm not looking
anti Donald Trump, like I hope Trump win if an actual election
is held. I'm not convinced that there's
going to be an election. Why wouldn't there be?
You know, but assuming an election is held, I think it's
Trump's race to lose. And I certainly hope that he
wins. But JD Vance is a piece of shit,
you know, and Trump doesn't care.
Like the the significance of Trump is that he's the candidate
of the silent majority and his emergence was like a game
changer conceptually. And, and and for the reason like
history shows Trump kind of like history shows Nixon.
Oh, Nixon was out of the farmer, like impressive person.
But this idea that, you know, there's this like invasion of
the third world and her auspices of like refugees or immigration,
like this isn't something like accidentally happened or it's
not because like the system is quote, UN quote broken.
No, nobody's going to stop that. Like even like even if like JD
Vance was like an honest to goodness, like white nationalist
and not and not some like piece of shit, like he wouldn't stop
because the the regime derives its entire mandate from the fact
that like this is an ongoing emergency.
You know, like that's why. And I mean, there's precedent
too. I mean, look at like, like the
Sinaloa Cartel does basically whatever the hell it wants.
And so Washington's like powerless to stop that.
Like when when Escobar declared he was, you know, he put a price
on the head of any DEA agent in Colombia.
Bush's like that's not happening.
So like Bush had the guy whacked like like you straight up like
had him killed, you know, and I I wasn't at the time and I'm not
now without only some direct action solution is the way to
fight the that's not the way to stop narcotics.
OK, but you do have to return to serve if your credibility is
being threatened by by what amounts to like some some dope
pushing mafia. You can't allow that, you know,
but it's but this stuff is you know, the whole like people like
Vance and and people like Trump. And again, I'm not I'm not like
anti Trump. They, they, they derive their
entire career life's blood from the fact that, you know, these
these contingencies like aren't going to be fixed.
You know, so they represent kind of like a pressure valve for,
you know, kind of like middle of the road people who don't really
understand the nature of these things.
You know, they're going to feel like they're striking back by
like going to Trump or they're like, Trump's going to like fix
like the police or something, or, or that he's going to like
deport like criminal aliens. Like it's not going to happen.
That's not doing things work. And, and the post Australian
state is actively dying. I mean, like I said on, on
Pete's podcast, I, I'm, I'm, I'm all going to be dust.
Like by the time it totally dies, it's going to be like, you
know, it's going to be like 2 to 300 years, but it's like it's
not it's, it's, it's totally obsolete.
You know, it's this idea that it's this robust thing and you
know, some kind of like right wing vanguard needs to capture
it. That's totally fucked up
thinking. But I mean, that's if I
understand that question correctly.
I mean, that's the best way I can answer it.
Yeah. No, I mean, I think, I think
we're covering a lot of ground. The, the challenge always is
concept is, is this conceptual issue that I think has to be
addressed and has to be smashed down.
You know, one of the reasons I started doing this show or one
of my personal reasons was to what I, I said it was I needed
to break the liberal frame. I needed to break free of it to
be able to see it and see what, what exactly this thing is.
Because I've been defining myself as a liberal and up until
probably somewhere in, in 2020 is when I just finally said I
can't, I can't, I can't ride with this stuff anymore.
Most because it's, it's, it's providing too many
contradictions for my brain to, to be able to deal with.
Like you can't have all these different things on a, on a
personal level, you can't believe in all these things.
When they start hitting, you know, they start smashing each
other in the face. So to rewire yourself
conceptually and to see things clearly, it's, I'll put it this
way, and I think this is devotilling to something else
you've said on the show is that this political game isn't for
everybody. And part of the reason why it's
not for everybody is that you got to start.
You have to be able to distance your your heart from your head.
You got to take from the things that you want to be true in this
narrative that you're going to create.
Someone in the comments said tell King Pill that Thomas is
attacking his boy JD Vance. I want to get into that a little
bit because when you you started going against, you started going
hard on JD on, on XI guess a week ago, whatever.
Yeah. No, I, I don't, I don't want to
talk about JD Vance anymore. I mean.
Pete No, no, no. But yeah, no, no, I mean, you
can ask me whatever you want, but I just.
Yeah, I go ahead. No, it's, it's, it's not even
really an ask. It's, it's, it's, it's a
clarification for anybody who's coming to the show and, and
wondering about this stuff. I won't speak for Matt, but I'll
speak loosely for Matt, myself, Pete and a few others.
We've been saying since the very, very start with the PayPal
mafia stuff and, and a lot of these other things that we're
telling you explicitly that these people aren't our guys.
Like stop thinking that because someone says something that you,
that you like that all of a sudden he's, he's your boy that
you got to ride with this guy. Like as you said on X, it's like
JD Vance is not picking up the phone to help you.
No, no. I.
Mean there's that. Too, Yeah, I mean, people got to
people got to think locally. I mean, corny as that might
sound and you know, like not not being F e.g.
GOT who like thinks like regime personalities or like looking
out for him. But it's also like people get
obsessed on these like one issues that I mean, it's like,
like, even if like JD Vance was like this big, like immigration
restrictionist and he was like sincere about that.
Like the whole like, like, so we wouldn't suddenly like live in
this like worldly heaven if like immigration stopped.
Like, yeah, that is a big problem.
But it's symptomatic of, you know, of a historical phenomenon
that is, is, you know, is, is, is, is incredibly dangerous to
us at, at political and, and, and physical level, you know,
like it's not. So sometimes there's that too.
There's like these like one issue motherfuckers and they
like can't shake that out or something like they're just like
similarly obsessed with something like immigration or
like gun rights, like again, both of which are like important
or they think that like personal prejudices are like politics.
It's like, like the fact that like, you don't want blacks in
your hood or you like, you don't like Mexicans.
That's not politics. That's like some kind of like
social problem, you know, like, yeah, I don't want mass
immigration either. And yeah, there's people I
there's some people I prefer to be around and some I don't want
to be around, But like you're not, you're not like standing on
politics. You're like, well, I don't like
N words. And it's it's great, man.
What do you want? You want a participation trophy
or a pack of gum? I mean, it's, you know, but
that's why, you know, like I said, man, it's like 900% of
people it's like aren't in the fucking game, you know, and it's
like, I don't it's and also too, I mean, like I said, like it's
not, there's an entire apparatus to like import the third world
here. That's not just going to like go
away, OK. And even if, even if you start
enforcing existing laws again, like the Raisin vitro, the
regime is social engineering. Like that's why they're doing
it, you know, and you know, these personalities like Vance,
and again, I mean, I'm not, I'm not going to deep dive into him.
I, I don't want to talk about him anymore really.
But you know, they, they build entire careers on the existence
of these policies. Like without those policies,
they wouldn't have a career. Like that's why they're here.
You know, it's, it's like a guy sitting your house on fire and
then coming back 20 minutes later to sell you a fire
extinguisher. And like when I call him my
asshole, you're like, hey, he can put the fire out.
You know, it's like it does not compute with people, you know,
But again, I'm not here to make friends or like educate people
to think like grown-ups. But it's you know, I'm not
trying to like G check people hard as fuck either.
OK, But I mean, I do have my own like little litmus test.
And it's kind of like also I insist on like if people are
going to like do business with me or like associate with me
deeply in any capacity or like expect me to like cosign on
their brand, I basically insist like they come here like
literally in my physical space and like hang around me at least
like every few months. Like I'm not talking about guys
like you are in Australia or whatever, but also you don't
like make demands on me to like I do things other than, you
know, you know, it's not to host me on your streams and stuff.
But you know, I'm not going to fuck with guys who like live on
the Internet and think that and and think that like they're
politically engaged because like they don't like N words on the
subway. That's fucking that's literally
like mentally retarded. Everybody's just kind of a rant,
but you know. It is.
It is better. These these things need to be
said and these and these things aren't being said in a lot of
our sectors of the Internet. Everyone just caught gloms on to
being a dissident and they don't realize that being a dissident
isn't an idea, isn't a group, isn't a political Action Group
or an NGO or somewhere. We're not doing that.
It's a vibe. And you got to get with the vibe
and and the and the vibe isn't just like, you know, wearing a
button or some bullshit. It's it's it's it's living it
like you got to live it. And one of the things just to
return back to the to King pill and all the rest of us, what
we're talking about, and this goes into PayPal Mafia, Vengeful
Sun. A lot of the things we've been
talking on the show quite a bit is what I'm trying to get
through to people is like, look, when we have a breakthrough and
we start to see things clearly, what it affords you is the
opportunity to start making some choices, right?
And, and to start and to start aligning yourself to people who
are also making the same choices.
So This is why it's really important to get through your
head that the PayPal mafia and those guys, the technologists
aren't your, aren't your friends.
They might just give you a window of time where the boot
gets off your neck for a little bit and you can start making
some moves rapidly. There's also, there's something
to say there's a real hubris to these guys too, man.
Like if you read, and again, I don't want to, I don't want to
get into some big like stupid like Internet fighting with
people about Peter Thiel or something.
But if you read the guy's own words, man, it's like very and
like his book, it's like very, it's like very like Epstein.
Like like I'm not, I'm not suggesting teal is like a sexual
offender. I mean, I know he's gay.
I've I've no reason to believe he's like victimizing underage
people. I'm not saying that at all.
But this like transhumanist, like bizarre shit.
Like, you know, we can do nanotech.
We're going to, we're going to become immortal and we're going
to, we're going to index with machines and like upload our
consciousness, like really crazy sick stuff.
Like he believes in that shit. Like he's not just like writing
science fiction and it's not just cap to get people talking.
He believes in that. And it's also he's the same
motherfuckers, man. These are the guys who decided
they were going to like cancel Trump.
You can't cancel a president of the United States.
Like who the fuck are you? Who do you think you are?
You know, like you, you, you, you have some like veto power
over political discourse now. I mean, like they literally
think that though. Like they think that this
cognitive elite, they think that they're, they think that they're
almost like an ethnicity into themselves of, of like, like
that are like however many like standard deviations like above
the normies. Like they think that like they
were no like weird sex stuff because they're like, oh, we're
like, we're like beyond what breeders do.
Like I'm telling you, it's like a whole ideology.
I'm not just talking trash or something like they're really
like sick people, you know, and the fact that they're into like
eugenics and stuff and some like arguably like right wing things.
That doesn't mean that they're like dope and based.
It means they're like really, really, really weird and like
kind of drunk on their own hubris.
And they live in this like weird bubble of like billionaires
where you can like do whatever you want and like, there's not
really consequences. And people like literally go
crazy from that kind of thing. But I'm not saying TO was like a
he probably was not a very nice guy like before he became
wealthy and powerful, but it it's very corrupting.
OK, so I mean, these guys playing you, you, you, I mean,
it's not a good thing that Trump's like be holding to these
guys and it's not at all OK. That's that's not Trump's fault.
Trump's an old man. Frankly, I got like mad respect
for him that he like took, he took a shot to the fucking Dome
and he's he, he came back without fear and he doesn't seem
particularly shook by it. But I mean, Trump's a hairy,
tired old guy. And I mean, in any, whether
you're talking about when you're talking about our kind of
bizarre and unfortunate system or ancient Rome or the 3rd Reich
or like wherever you're at in time and place, if you're a
politician, you need people to, I mean, shit costs money, OK,
not to vulgarize it totally, but you've got to find people who
are going to patronize what you're doing.
So I mean, it's not Trump's fault, whatever else I can say
about him. But the fact is he's like
accountable to these people, man, you know?
And that's not a good thing. You know, like I said, I'm not
convinced an election is going to happen.
But if it is, I absolutely want Mr. Trump to win.
But that's not the point. And I want Trump to win for a
struggle reason. It's not because he's going to
do incredible things on the policy front.
But I don't mean to struggle reasons like, you know,
protecting the record or something.
I mean, you know, in terms of like where we're going and, you
know, checks on, on what informs the kind of ongoing moral
discourse, you know, stuff like this.
But but yeah, it's not no, go ahead, man.
No. It's all right, let's get into
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You can always find my content on my website
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Twitter, I'm on sub stack. Sub Stack's the best way to, you
know, I, I post some announcements.
We got up there and we got a pretty active chat.
I mean, like I said, I, I, my big thing is, you know, like
during my travel season, which is basically, you know, spring
and summer through early fall, you know, like I go over the
country just like hang out with people who, you know, and we've
been building quite a network, which is incredible.
I mean, but be as in May, like I shout out like where I'm going
and, and like what's up with our peoples here, as well as other
places on the sub stack. It's also like where you can
find like my long form stuff. I throw videos up there and I'm
going to start throwing more video content off.
That's what the podcast is. I got a biweekly podcast called
Mind Phaser. It's real
thomas777@substack.com. I'm on Instagram.
I mean, I, you know, I got my dear friend here at Krieg, he,
he mocked up some like MERS for me, like shirts and hats and
stuff, which I, which I think is like they've actually been like
selling really well, man. Like I people for the long, I'm
kind of like AT shirt guy and stuff.
I mean, there's people probably noticed, you know, I like like
clothes and hats and like T-shirts and things like I
always did. So they were always saying like,
yeah, you got it. You should mock up some of your
own designs, man. So like I, I started doing that
with my guy Krieg and yeah, they people have been, there's
apparently like a real demand for, I mean, which is a great
honour. I, I'm glad I can deliver stuff
to people that they enjoy in that regard.
But yeah, I'm all over the place, man.
I'm on Instagram. I probably said that I'm on
Telegram, just like seeking. You shall find what you hit on
my website up to sub stack. And you can always reach out to
me if you hit me up by DM, I'll, you know, and like I said,
assuming you're not like a a fucking cornball, I'll I'll pass
on a number you can reach me at. You know, I prefer people hit me
up by text because I I only keeping up with like 12 fucking
platforms. But yeah, that's basically my
deal, man. OK.
You mentioned networking and essentially creating,
essentially creating. I mean, the term is the network
stick has been used by more of a technocratic kind of element.
But I think one of the things that you're doing and, and
others are doing as well Metaprim is is involved in this
is a whole bunch of our guys, especially the younger guys who
are really involved in doing this.
I've got my own project that I'm working on in the back in the
background. So one of these things is, is
essentially getting people together and, and actually being
able to use them and use, I shouldn't say use, but directing
people, you know, harnessing human capital.
And in my my lingo, I'm saying that we're going to, you know,
harness human capital to produce civilizational capital.
We can call this parallel societies.
There's lots of jingo terms thrown out there, but it's but
the way I see it is that no, no matter how things shake out in
November, the the OR January or whatever, they freaking announce
anything, the task still remains on us.
The white man has to rebuild society for, for for ourselves
in, in our image. That task is not is going to be
ongoing. That's a generational thing that
doesn't that no election is going to change that mandate.
So maybe we can speak on that a little bit because I see a
little that, and I know you've talked about this in the program
before, but sort of the the importance of creating that
network. And since you're more on the
ground in the States than I am, obviously, maybe you can speak
directly and start getting out some white pills for people who
are feeling like that this BLOB thing is is too big to to too
big to fail or or is just going to dominate their lives for for
from now until eternity. Well, I just don't.
It's just, it's a, it's either a lack of perspective or people
just fearful of any punctuated, of any change, like either long
duration and kind of gradual or punctuated, you know, I mean,
the point of people again and again, man, like bad as things
are now, like 30 years ago, they were, they were, they were
exponentially worse. They, it, it was awful.
Like I didn't, I didn't realize so much at the time.
Like now that I've got, I mean, now that I'm old, I mean, that's
part of it. You get old, you get perspective
on things. But it, it, it was fucking
horrible, man. And like everybody hated us.
Like everybody hated us. You know, I remember, I remember
Randy Weaver getting smoked or his family getting smoked, and
it was awful. It just a whole, I mean, they,
they shot a woman holding a baby.
Literally. It's not a cap.
It's what happened. I remember reading it in a
Metzger newsletter and I remember on CNN and I and there
was even people I knew who were like, yeah, the guy, the guy was
a piece of shit. He was a Nazi.
Good. I mean, that that had never
happened today, man. Like something like Waco, people
wouldn't tolerate that today. Like burned a bunch of little
kids alive, you know, just because and, and, and, and
whacking crashes because he had, you know, unconventional beliefs
and stuff. Like people wouldn't tolerate
that today, man. And I used to have to, I mean,
it wasn't just me. It wasn't just like what guys?
I mean, I grew up in a really nice hood.
I'm lucky, man. I grew up in the North Shore,
which is like freaking awesome. But you know, if I wanted to go
anywhere, like outside of my little hood, I have to like plot
where I went, man, because in broad daylight, I you'd like get
stomped out if you're like a white person or killed like
that, that's unthinkable. Now, man.
Like, I mean, don't get me wrong, like Chicago is like a
mess and there's still like a poet.
Like I will not go to to be like fucking.
I mean, I basically go everywhere, but it's like I'm
not, I'm not going to go fuck around in like little village
like after dark and just like poo.
I'm tough or something. And like you will get like like
you will get fucking dropped there.
But my point being, man, like we're not, we're not in the
cross bugger race war between like our people and blacks, OK,
Like we're not I, I, I'm openly right wing and like, if anything
it, it, it, it makes people like gravity to me want to talk about
stuff like 30 years ago, like people would like be like, fuck
you, you're a piece of shit. You know, like, like we were
fucking people hated us. Like now I would say virtually
mainstream. And also even somebody like me,
man, if I, if this was the 80s or the 90s, I, I'd be like
working at Kroger like. Overnight or like driving a
truck or something and like writing and like, and probably
like sending my content to like the IH Metzger war newsletter
and like maybe 20 guys had read it, which is what it went fine.
But now I mean, I, I, I've got 10,000 subscribers to my sub
stack. You know, I, I can like I'm not
getting rich, but like I'm monetized.
Like it's basically mainstream to talk about, you know, how
court history is, is is a fallacy.
You know that it's it's, it's totally changed man.
And also just like the Mobil, it's way cheaper to travel.
Like commerce is way easier. There's always like there's
always like there's always like non traditional commercial
banking structures. Like you can send money to
people, they can send it to you. It's there's a record of it, but
it's, it's like not above board in the same way there's a
crypto. It's not a huge fan of crypto.
If there's nothing wrong with people, if that's their drive,
you know, and just I, I'm not going to see where it is, but
you know, I'm, I'm planning to start spending winters in this
town where like a bunch of the fellas live.
And it's like a deliberate community, man, like organically
developed of like people like us.
And they all go to church together, like they homeschool
their kids together. Like we all try to get jobs.
Like, you know, some of the guys like on real estate, they like
rent to our guys. I mean, like, it's like night
and day, man. And you don't need to fuck with
government stuff. You know, I'm limited in how I
could even I want to do because I'm a convicted felon,
obviously. But I I don't want to, I want
nothing to do with that shit. Like, not just because it's
fucked up and because they want bad things that happened to me
and my people, but like, why? Why would I want to fuck with
that stuff? That stuff sucks.
It's stupid. It's like literally like stupid,
fake and gay. Like, why do you want to fuck
with that? Like I realized there's some
guys like if you got like a wife and three kids and you know, you
like you're, you've got a law degree or you got you.
So you got to like work at some like big city law firm or like
you got you're like a molecular biologist.
So like you work at some big like medical company and like
you got to say, OK, yeah, I get that.
But even that man, it's like, I don't, I that's why I don't like
respect guys anymore where it's like they live this totally fake
life and they're like afraid to be seen in public with people
like me. And it's like, bro, like, so
basically you're like some like Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
motherfucker. And you're like, you like live
like a fake life psycho. Like that's fucked up, you know,
and a lot of it's just like a cope for like coward Easter.
I mean, some people are just like afraid of I probably got a
higher tolerance for like literal chaos in a lot of people
and it's probably not a great thing.
OK, so I basically don't ever worry about anything.
I mean like even if like the shit totally the fan, it
wouldn't really bother me. Like I know that's not what I'm
not saying because I'm like a bad ass or like a survivalist.
I mean I am an urban survivalist.
But what I'm saying is like psychologically like honestly, I
would not bother me. And it's probably easier for me
to say as like a single man without kids.
But point being, I think people are basically built one way or
the other and they're like basically comfortable with that
kind of disorder or like really, really screws with their
program. Like psychologically it like
really throws them off, You know, I mean, don't want to be
wrong. I definitely got like a Teutonic
fixation towards order because like my German granny, like my
dad's always making fun of me. He's like my sock drawer.
But I'm also like totally a piece like in I, I don't know,
man, like just certain conditions that probably should
not be objectively as like a civilized fucking human.
But no, we're our mandate, our mission.
What we do is secede from government shit as much as
possible, like rebuild, reconstitute and think in
generational terms, man. And that's exactly what we're
doing. And I continue to be like
shocked and in a very positive way and amazed that I didn't
think any of this would take. I knew that I knew that
eventually this would happen. OK, But I thought I'd be like
long dead. Like I thought it would happen
like 100 years. Like after I died, I, it kind of
blew my mind to see it happening, start happening like
about like 810 years ago and then like five years ago, like
really in earnest. And I'm like, wow, I'm really
blessed to be alive. And, and I'm not, I'm not, I'm
pretty, I'm pretty old, but unless I, I, I'm not planning
getting took off the shelf by man, beast or act of God anytime
soon. So I, I think I'll at least be
around a couple more decades. And then, I mean, I, that's a
real gift, man. Cuz in my own small way, I get
to contribute and especially cuz I don't have kids of my own.
The fact that like, young people are willing to hang around me
and like having me on deck, I mean, that's, that's a great
honor, man, and approval. Yeah, I mean, I've said, you
know, I have one, I have my one daughter.
I've said that unless you have kids, if, if you don't have kids
then and you and you want to be politically involved and you
have to give a lot more in some ways, like having kids is a
little bit of almost a cheat code because biologically you
begin to respond and it's, it restructures a lot of your
thinking and a lot of your, let's say, vision for the future
because you're not just living for yourself anymore.
So the, the, I guess the desire to sacrifice becomes almost
easier when you have kids, when you don't have kids, you really
have to be, you have to motivate yourself.
And I think in, in different ways.
And I mean, this is, you know, one of the reasons I always give
you a, a healthy dose of healthy dose of respect because you
don't have to be doing what you're doing.
And yet you're doing it anyways, 'cause you're, I think you're,
you're cluing into something that I unfortunately clued in
too late, which is, I'll, I'll put it this way, the BLOB, the
regime, the system I think started going made us big
fractical error probably. And I don't have the exact date,
but from my casual observation, somewhere in the 1970s where
they got really over their skis and they kind of began this,
this system of a, of, of attacking the white man.
And I'm using this as I'm not even using this as a racial
identity kind of way. I'm not an ethno state kind of
guy. But at the same time, this sort
of anti white SIOP starts to really take hold.
I As far as I can tell, somewhere in the 1970s I.
Mean they progressed the Cold War had a really deforming
effect and one of the reasons I objected so precipitously when
people claim that like people like Missus Harris or people
like Chuck Schumer are like Marxist like they're they're not
like at all like Marxist. There aren't, there aren't any
Marxist anymore. But but but aside from that,
like these, these people aren't thoughtful people like like
first of all, but secondly, the kinds of political values they
abide and the, and the kinds of things they probably like take a
knee for. It's it's dialectically related
obviously to the 20th century paradigm, but it's very much
like it's own thing, you know, but it is, it's very much a
quote UN quote like liberationist ethos.
And that's why, you know, I'm like very much a Hegelian, you
know, like, I don't really see how you can, if you're, if
you're at all like inclined a political theory and you're like
right wing. And I don't see how you could
like be like a non Hegelian thinker.
But so I, I probably put more emphasis on, on the dialectical
process at scale and some people, but I mean, like
Zeitgeist is a real thing, man, you know, and that's why that
that's the way you got to understand it.
And this idea of, you know, well, we got the the only way
that the only, the only way that the world makes sense in
sociological terms, like a conceptual level is OK, like
what? What's the oppressor cast?
Or at least like the overcast. Well, it's not, you know,
obviously, you know, it's, it's, it's not, it's not a strictly
labor and capital paradigm because that that that concept,
that consensual model failed. OK.
It must be like racial. It must be like the white
people, they're like oppressing the brown people, you know,
they're like this overcast. You know what I mean?
Obviously that, I mean, even if that was true, like So what?
Like that, that would why, why, why, why should I fuck with
that? Like, you know, I'm not like
right or wrong. I, I don't care if my tribe and
most evil motherfuckers like tread this earth, you know, like
I, I, I stand or fall with my own people, you know, like, like
I give a fuck. But beyond that, it's that,
that, that obvious isn't the way things are.
But you know, again, it's, it's very much sort of like a fixed
paradigm, you know, and even people too, I mean, most, you
know, I, I'm on some people like read your King James Bible and
read Aristotle, man. Like a lot of, a lot of answers
to like the big and basic questions you can find there in
and like a lot of people are natural slaves.
And, you know, like, that's, that's just like their outlook
and they're not, they're not capable of understanding
political phenomenon. So I'm like a matter of like
intelligence, man. Like I run into people all the
time. I guarantee you that like, if we
talk an IQ test, they'd probably like smoke me on like an IQ
test. And like, I'm not like really
good at math, you know, like I can't, I can't like engineer a
fucking bridge or, or something. And I can like, I can take like
engines apart and I know how they go back together.
But that's like about the extent of like my engineer.
It's not a question of like intelligence or whatever.
It's like you can do what you can't.
And it's, it's, it's, it's like, well, I, it's a spiritual
quality almost, I mean spiritual, like literally like
your immortal soul. I mean, it's like a sum total,
like intangibles that make up like how your mind like like
processes and indexes information, you know?
And like if you're, if you, if you basically like the mindset
of like a natural slave, it's kind of always awaiting orders,
always looking for some kind of figure and authority, always
looking to take his cues from like some like social superior.
Like you're not going to be able to understand this if it's going
to be totally alien to you. You know, it'd be like trying to
teach. Maybe it'd be like trying to
teach somebody who can't read, like complex linguistics or
something. Yeah, I mean, this is this whole
woke thing that's was taking over the narrative for the last
10 years. Both pro woke, anti woke, all
that stuff. They're just retreading these
ideas that aren't their ideas. They're they're fucking parrots.
And you know, at first you when you're dealing with something
that's a new and novel and new, it can seem like very scary and
weird, especially how it spread. But we're we're seeing the ends,
the ends of it now because it's again, they're just, they're
trying to retread retreads to the point where no one's no
one's buying this, not because they're actually ideologically
against it. They're fucking bored.
No, nobody actually believes in that stuff.
I mean, I make that It's like, OK, yeah, I realize we go to
like any town USA, you'll find like dipshit normies who like
say they believe in that stuff. But these these people would
like if it was like 1940 and like Comrade Stalin was the
boss, they'd like say they were communists and like they lived
in, if they lived under like Napoleon's reign, They, they
they'd like say they love Napoleon.
Like they those are like it's victories.
They, they don't actually believe in that stuff.
Like it's. Tables Green grocer.
Yeah, yeah. And I mean, it's like especially
I know that like a lot of kind of, I know, I know like Normie
Khan's always talking about the quote Yale and jail coalition.
And yeah, there is there's nothing worse than some Ivy
League fuck wad who like lionizes like lump and pros or
something. Like there's some like noble
element that's really fucked up. However, like street people and
rich people, they're both basically realistic, you know,
like the former are like ignorant and often like kind of
feral. Like the latter are like naive
and don't really understand like real life that most as most
people live it. But they, they, they understand
that like man is basically not nice.
Like they understand that people's motivations generally,
particularly ambitious people, you know, are selfish.
They understand that like politics is like a lot of cap
and bullshit It it's kind of like the it's kind of like the
sensible center that are are are like most guilty, like slave
thing, you know, like the lump bands are like dumb guys.
They they probably better off enslaved, but they've got like,
but they have like a more realistic attitude, you know,
and plus you've got to like look at what people do, man, like not
what they say. Like I, I know basically I, I go
a lot of different places, man. Like I'm not saying like I'm so
great or I'm some like great ambassador of like my race or
something, but I'm around non white people constantly because
they outnumber me 1000 to one here.
And also like I have to be around them if I'm going to like
do things I need to do like in my life.
But like, sometimes like I seek them out, just like observe them
and like what they're doing, you know, and I never see like other
white people doing that. And like these people are
supposedly like Uber woke and like hate my guts.
They're like afraid to leave their house and like they avoid
darkies. Like, you know, they they avoid
them as much as they can, man. It's like, obviously they don't
think that, you know, I mean, if they did, they just like move to
the hood. Like wouldn't they like it's
everybody's identical and there's nothing fucked up about
the hood, so you just go live there.
But they don't man, you know, and they're the ones, it's just
like the motherfuckers who like, I, I called some of these people
out on it during the summer of Floyd.
I'm like, look, man, I'm like, you're the ones who call the
police. I don't like my friends don't.
It's like you fuckers do. They're here for you.
It's a you call the police when you see people like us, just
because you're Dicks, you know, it's like you want to you want
to defund the police. Go ahead, man.
It's not going to fuck up my program if this is your shit.
You know, they don't want to defund the police.
They call the police if fucking they somebody looks at him
longer than three seconds. You know, it's all you can't,
you can't go on with people say I every, everybody tells you
he's like a hero and A and a great guy and, and you know,
some kind of bad ass like people.
Everything people say basically is bullshit with the exception
man of like, I'd like to think I basically always honest with
people. You know, I mean, there's times
I won't say anything and don't disclose certain things.
I don't lie to people when I don't pretend like I'm better
than anybody, But I mean, most people are full of shit, man.
We're supposed to take at face value.
So you Oh, I, I believe in total racial equality and you know,
like white privilege is a thing. Like I said some fucking guy who
like lives in like the whitest hood he can afford like you know
lives his life basically like avoid non white people like the
guy doesn't believe that shit he doesn't give a fuck and come on.
Yeah, and on the, and on the counterpoint to it, you have a
lot of people who are rah, rah rawing ethnostatism.
And I'm like, OK, fine. Like show me your plans.
I'm I'm open to, to anyone showing me something that is
where's your OPSEC? Well, what's, how are you?
How are you producing this? Like, what's your plan?
Well, it's. Also too like it's.
It's always like make someone else do it and it's like, I'm
not doing your thing for you, man.
Like what do you well, I'm supposed to put my neck on on
the line. I'm supposed to invest all my
time and energy and all this stuff to make your little plan
work. Why the fuck am I doing that
when you well. It's also it's, it's retrograde
thinking, man. Like, I mean, you people should
be thinking at community level anyway, because that's what
life's about. And at the end of the day,
you've got to, you do have to think about your, your life and
the people you love and people in your orbit, you know, you got
to give that priority. But it's also like the
Westphalian state, people think they have their mind.
They think that like this basically has existed for like
40,000 years or something. Like it's not, it's not some
permanent thing. Like it's basically something
that all told, you know, it's probably got like a couple 100,
like the vestiges of it'll like endure another couple 100 years.
But it's already dying actively. It's been dying for, you know,
for for a century and a half anyway.
Like it's not it, it's, there's nothing like perennial about it,
you know? And it's, it's this idea that,
you know, there's a yeah, the way that like the natural
political order is, you know, having like a state boundary
like around here, like everybody speaks the same language and
like indexes with the same sect. I mean, yeah, obviously like the
basic humanitarianism is ethnos and you need like homogeneity
there. But it's not what I'm talking
about. Like I'm talking about like the
national state, like a constitutional Federated
government, like that, that that's basically, you know, a
late modern concept that's becoming obsolete, you know?
So my producers just walked in the room, so we should look to
wrap this up. One super chat from TK Thank you
for $10. Here's an interesting question
to throw to you, Thomas, before we say goodbye.
Great to see GOAT T777. Haven't been catching things
live because I'm doing things doing IRL stuff.
Any advice to us rootless Drifters on how to find a
community? I'm tired of being a stranger
and a mercenary. Yeah, man, you should make
yourself approachable. I mean, when I go, when I go to
these places, you know, where like our people congregate and
where I'm planning to start, you know, like living a good part of
the year. If you want to come with me, you
can. I mean, you got to you got to
like introduce your like I said, I'm not trying to like G check
people, but this doesn't happen overnight, man.
Anybody who wants to like I basically every day on one of my
platforms, I like literally take my phone and like show you where
I'm going. And if you want to approach me
on the street or it like shits in, that's totally fine.
But you've got to do things like that, you know, and if we get
crumbled with each other and I introduce you, the fellows and
the girls and they like you, well, great.
But that's how things. I mean, that's, that's human
life, you know, but I'm not trying to like suggest your
basic or something or be pedantic or something, but.
No, but you've. Got to, you've got to be out
there and yeah, like index of people, man, you know, like and,
and, and reach out to them and they will and they will respond,
man. Like, if I can do it, I mean,
I'm generally good at talking to people and like, I never had in
superficial terms, I never had problems making friends.
But I mean, let's be honest, man, I'm kind of like a strange
guy, OK, It's not like a Mr. fucking Social.
If I can do it, anybody can, man, you know, like it doesn't
take. You don't have to have some like
great finesse or something, you know, I mean, plus it's natural
like people, they can't turn an impulse to something people
need. They you know, otherwise they
die and they they fall into despair and become.
And and they die. So I mean, it's, it's a Basic
Instinct, you know, and that's why people are, are, are, will
respond, man, if you want an index with them.
And at least people have been striking this as a me like I'm
making it easy, you know, Yeah, it's, but a lot of this is in
like God's hands. A lot of it just like happened.
But yeah, just don't, don't, don't be shy, man.
Put yourself out there. Yeah, be useful to find a use.
You know, one of the things I was kind of thinking about this
the other day, two of the people I was drawn to almost
immediately, it was yourself and Tommy Salmons.
Because I recognize there's some sort of unsaid kinship.
One of the things that kind of defined my life for the last 40
odd years was I always felt like a misfit that, you know, I was
always just it was enough of something but not enough, but
not all the way in. Like I could have, you know, I
just didn't jive with middle management, even though I could
be really good at things or, you know, I I had opportunities to
do a life of crime or there's a whole bunch of other things in
my in my back history where if I had just really kind of fit in,
things would've been much different.
But I never fit in. I never felt really comfortable
in a lot of in a lot of those groups because eventually you
always reach someone. You're like, now you're just
irritated me. Now you're just fucking.
Pissed. It's also it's I mean, it's like
geography of nowhere stuff. And I'm lucky.
On the one hand, Chicago was like really there's some pretty
like macabre stuff. This is not an easy place to
live. But on the other hand, like
people, including me, are actually from here.
I don't have like deep ass roots here.
Like my folks are from Los Angeles, but you know, I am from
here. I, I know my neighbors, you
know, there's like a real, there's like a, there's like a
deep culture here and people like jealously protected, you
know, and it's not just like, it's not just like some like
nowhere town in like Colorado, nobody's actually from.
And it's like, well, you know, the only church around, just
like local mega church. It's only chain restaurants.
And like, even even the randos who you, who might be your
neighbors, like after a few years, they move away in new
randos move in like you can't, you can't build a community out
of that. But you know, like I said,
social media, one thing is useful for people spend like too
much time on it and and they expect too much out of it.
But it does allow you to like shout out information and like
fly a flag, quite literally. And you know, you it does.
It does allow you to like index with people like we're there is
a communitarian a communitarian bases possible.
But the yeah, I'm going to I'm going to raise up in a minute
because frankly, I got to stretch my legs.
I'm I'm dealing with some inflammation.
Not to be like a lame old person complaining about his aches, but
yeah, it is I. Got it.
I got it in my feet and have been waylaid for the last like
week and a half because of it. I'm walking around with a cane
so I I understand man. Yeah, no, I mean, it's fine.
I it's just. Yeah.
No, but we should. Yeah, for sure.
Again, Thomas, thank you so much man.
Oh, no, thanks for inviting me, man.
I appreciate the, I appreciate the your hospitality always.
It's, it's, it's all I can give, but it's, it's, it's maybe not
much, but it's, it's what I got. Maybe what we'll do, I don't
know. I'll see how you rock with this.
But I got some upcoming projects.
But maybe I, I would like to get you on maybe again, when things
calm down and everything to talk about Hegelianism.
I've been, I've been dining on on, on Kirkegaard quite a bit
right now. But I think, you know, we can
branch out from some of the nitty gritty into more
conceptual basis stuff for, for people to kind of wrap their
heads around. Because, you know, just to get
back to where you're saying this, this political stuff's not
for everybody. That doesn't mean you can't be
one part of the 1% if you just can't.
If you're not political, you don't want to be political.
In fact, I hope, I hope to live in a day when when, when
politics gets fucking boring and useless again.
But but that being said, it's it's it's you do have to
challenge yourself conceptually on some level to kind of see
things as they are, not just as you want them to be.
And yeah, we can. Yeah, we can do that man.
Just September 1st or after would probably be best.
Like, next week is convention week, and then I got to try, I
got to try to West Virginia at the end of this month.
And then that's my last. I don't have to, like, travel
for a minute after that. So yeah, like September 1st,
man. We can talk about Hegel on a
dedicated dreamer or something if you want.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, Madame, Mr. Thank you again for
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