1 00:00:15,210 --> 00:00:31,360 Tales of the Shadow Empire, whispers in the lunar fire goes 2 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:41,320 alive with unseen vains. The moon is just a state. 3 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:56,880 Truth is woven into dreams. Truth is woven into deep, deep 4 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:34,140 dreams. Always a pleasure, Charles. 5 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:37,700 We are live. Right back at you, Jason. 6 00:01:37,700 --> 00:01:38,940 Thank you very much for having me. 7 00:01:39,820 --> 00:01:42,140 I'm just going to quote you here with one of your tweets. 8 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:45,020 This is a response to Christopher F Rufo. 9 00:01:45,380 --> 00:01:50,600 I read his tweet out first. Exclusive Grossman, Hannah and I 10 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,880 have obtained logs from the NS as secret transgender chat sex 11 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,080 chat room in which NSACIA and DIA employees discussed genital 12 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,160 genital castration, artificial vaginas, piss, fetishes, sex 13 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,960 polecules and gang bangs all on government time. 14 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,520 To which he responded on thought crime syndicate with Pete 15 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,360 Kunones. I said the intelligence 16 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,280 community deep state hired degenerates because they're easy 17 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,200 to keep in mind via blackmail. Yet the tactic was so overused 18 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,360 that now degenerates run everything using power to large 19 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,840 to largely normalize it, thus weakening the threat. 20 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,880 So the title of this episode is the shadow Bureau. 21 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,680 Since you've had experience, of course, in the in the bureaus 22 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,920 themselves of the American bureaucracy, I thought it was a 23 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:45,000 surefire hit to have you on. Plus, I always like talking to 24 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,440 Charles. So run us through that tweet. 25 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,160 Explain yourself, Sir. But certainly 1st I'm going to 26 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,120 say I want you to read all my tweets. 27 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,520 You, you, you have a great voice for my writing style. 28 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,800 So you should read all my stuff. But moving, moving forward to 29 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,880 kind of explain, well, not to kind of to definitely explain 30 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,600 myself with that. What we have to understand is 31 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:12,120 it, it has been a tactic, I want to say for as long as I've been 32 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:17,000 alive, probably longer to, for intelligence agencies to get 33 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,160 compromised or compromisable individuals. 34 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:27,080 And those generally in, in more moral societies than ours, those 35 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,680 generally were sexual deviants, like, like the kind that just 36 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,600 been outed or out of themselves due to their recklessness. 37 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,920 Now the reason they have been chosen and is because they are 38 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,480 compromisable, they are easily shamed. 39 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,520 They are easily socially persecuted. 40 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,080 They are easily socially ostracized. 41 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,320 And as anybody who is a student of sociology knows or of human 42 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,600 behavior understands that really isolation is a greater 43 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,080 punishment than quite a bit of quite a bit of other options 44 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,760 that exist. So what these intelligence 45 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,960 agencies do is they get somebody that's compromised or 46 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,120 compromisable and they take them and they say, OK, well, I'm 47 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,880 going to take you into the organization. 48 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,960 I'm going to make you a senator. I'm going to make you a mayor. 49 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,200 I'm going to make you a joint chief of staff, whatever, what 50 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,760 have you, head of the NSA. Now the deal is you're going to 51 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,720 run policy the way I want it, and you will get to keep your 52 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,880 job. You will get to do what you do, 53 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,800 but you have to do what I say. And if you decide to step out of 54 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,000 line, I will make sure these pictures, these videos, these 55 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,480 audios, et cetera, this evidence gets out there and you will be 56 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,120 ruined. You will either be criminally 57 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,440 prosecuted or you will be socially ostracized or more than 58 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,440 likely both. And that's what they've done. 59 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,520 And they've done that for many, many years. 60 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,280 So much so that there was a series on British television 61 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:58,520 many years ago in the 70s called Blake 7. 62 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,360 And the reason I bring this up specifically is that's exactly 63 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,880 what they did to the character in Blake 7. 64 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,920 They made-up, well I should say not exactly what they did to 65 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,000 him. They framed him for being one of 66 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,360 those individuals and then that cost him everything and put him 67 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,320 in prison and everything and all that sort of thing. 68 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,280 So the the reason I bring up that as an example is because it 69 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:23,440 was already well known by whenever that show was made 70 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:32,560 197476 something like that. So I'm 52 and so that's, that's 71 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,800 been something that's been going on my whole lifetime. 72 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,280 And it was well known in the 70s. 73 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:40,280 So I, I can't imagine that it hasn't been done since probably 74 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:43,160 the 30s maybe before. I couldn't give you a hard and 75 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,040 fast date on it. But here's the issue with that 76 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,240 trick. And I'll this is where I move 77 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,240 into the, the second part of my tweet. 78 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:52,080 This is the segue to the second part of my tweet. 79 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,480 Here's the issue. That trick works. 80 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,640 And what do people do when they encounter a technique that works 81 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,360 well? They use it because that just 82 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,680 makes sense. If it works, keep doing it. 83 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,120 If it doesn't work, stop. Well, the problem is not only 84 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,520 that it works, it works all too well. 85 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,800 So they just kept doing. They'd get people like Harvey 86 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,960 Milk, etcetera. Just keep going, keep going. 87 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,880 Let's get more and more degenerates in here because 88 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,440 they're all easy to all easy to compromise, all easy to keep 89 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,720 under our thumb, which is exactly why you've seen pretty 90 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,520 much all of government left and right in the United States move 91 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,200 in lockstep. I mean, as I've said, goodness 92 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,280 gracious, I said it on back when I had a Facebook account back in 93 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:38,040 like 2008, I said if I want to watch two guys, it was about a 94 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,160 presidential race. I said if I want to watch two 95 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,120 guys pretend to fight and then shake hands behind a curtain and 96 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,440 get paid by the same guy, I'll watch pro wrestling. 97 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,160 So all this is to say so that if this trick works and it works so 98 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,560 well, they just keep doing it. But now the problem is now 99 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,480 you've got all these degenerates in positions of power. 100 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,200 You've got them in government, you've got them in media. 101 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,960 And what that will do is that will give them the the hands on 102 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,160 the levers or the fingers on the buttons to start normalizing it. 103 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:15,360 This is also why you've seen a tremendous push over the last 20 104 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,080 years or so to normalize homosexuality, trans sexual 105 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,560 deviants, etcetera. And that is because if that gets 106 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,960 normalized, how are you going to socially ostracize these people? 107 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,840 How are you going to shame them? It might even get to the point, 108 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,240 as a lot of places are starting to do, they're starting to 109 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:35,880 decriminalize a lot of this stuff. 110 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,240 Some, some of it even Pederaski is starting to get minimized. 111 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,920 And the issue is how do you, how do they keep these people 112 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,520 compromised? And the answer is, you really 113 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,840 can't. So it's a creation. 114 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,160 The Golem has escaped its rabbi, the the Frankenstein has escaped 115 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,160 its creator, because these people have been given the 116 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,160 power, given the means to start normalizing this. 117 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,760 And they did. And I can't, I can't necessarily 118 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,880 blame them in the sense of it. That's how they're going to to 119 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,080 get themselves out from under the thumb of their controllers. 120 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,680 Obviously I don't condone what they do, but I'm saying only a 121 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,760 fool would think that they wouldn't try that. 122 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,760 And the trick had been done so often and so frequently and with 123 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:23,600 such vociferousness that now pretty much everybody in the 124 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,120 club is a degenerate. Everybody with their hands on 125 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,760 the button is a degenerate. So that's why you've been living 126 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:36,320 in filth for 2025 years, that it's only gotten worse as time 127 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,960 has gone on? Thanks for bringing up like 7 is 128 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,080 one of my favorites. I actually just redownloaded a 129 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,360 bunch of it with the plans of rewatching and so it's fantastic 130 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,400 series. It's sort of the dark, the dark 131 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,840 Doctor Who made around during that sort of weird BBC period. 132 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,480 A more modern version of that would be The Good Shepherd with 133 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,440 that Matt Damon, Angelia and Jolie, Robert De Niro. 134 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:10,320 It's sort of a semi fictional Hoover kind of buy up where ACIA 135 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:13,840 guy becomes becomes the head of the CIA and and of course they 136 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:19,600 use complimat to to to play with him as well and his son. 137 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:26,480 The the interesting thing with all this, of course is it before 138 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,120 we press record, you said that you you were one of the greatest 139 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,880 white pillar dispensers over on Crime Thought Syndicate. 140 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,560 I I try to be. I try to be. 141 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,520 I would prefer to you to use to use the term bitter white pill, 142 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,000 Sir. I'll allow it. 143 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:44,480 Fair. I will do. 144 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,280 I will do so. Tastes like Fisherman's Friends, 145 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:53,240 but it but it fixes the problem and part of the series of tales 146 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,960 of the Shadow Empire, which is sort of revealing, trying to 147 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,440 reveal some of these truths, starting with the economy and 148 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,800 moving through other, other domains. 149 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,760 People that, you know, sometimes ask me what's the use like? 150 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,760 They keep thinking like, OK, you're, you're signing out, 151 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,840 you're telling me all this so I can make financial moves and all 152 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,560 the rest of it. I'm like, look, I, I can't tell 153 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:15,840 you exactly where you're at and I don't know what the use case 154 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,440 for you person might be. But I believe that if, if I had 155 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,520 known in 2019 what was about to happen in 2020 and the reasons 156 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:30,400 for it, that would have cut out a lot of the emotional stress 157 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:35,040 and baggage and running around, you know, not uncertainties, 158 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,840 let's say that occurred for those, those 2-3 years. 159 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,080 And I think that's a value onto itself. 160 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,120 Because once you can see things clearly, even if you don't like 161 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:52,840 what you're seeing, it decreases your, your efforts to, to do, 162 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,000 your percentage chance of doing the wrong thing goes down. 163 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,200 My grandfather once said that if you don't know what to do, do as 164 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,200 little as possible until you know what to do. 165 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,360 Because often times when you don't know what to do, if you're 166 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,440 just doing, you know, flailing at things, it's exhausting and 167 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,680 you end up doing a whole bunch of wrong things. 168 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,680 So it's probably better to know what to do or what's going on, 169 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:20,560 let's put it that way first, and then move from that position. 170 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,680 So you know, this revealing that's happening, this 171 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:27,760 apocalypse that's happening in the West and it's it's happening 172 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,840 mostly in America, but I think it's going to spread through 173 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:35,440 other Western territories is showing, it is showing us the 174 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,200 that dark underbelly and, and kind of dispensing that boomer 175 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:46,520 truth mentality that yes, sure, politicians lie and these 176 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,480 people, you know, they end up doing bad things, but not all of 177 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,160 them and certainly not all the time. 178 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,200 And, and not, no, not us. It's these these, it's the 179 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,360 other. Guys right, It's the other 180 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,040 scene. Yeah, Yeah, no. 181 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,080 No, it's us. Yeah, it's still. 182 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,720 It's still, yeah. To be clear, just to step back a 183 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,560 bit, I, I, I want to be very, very clear. 184 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,200 I, I didn't say that I was the greatest white pill dispenser on 185 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,560 Thought Crime Syndicate. I said I'm going for the, the, 186 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,000 the, the White pill dispenser of the year award on Thought Crime 187 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,640 Syndicate, because I think those guys do their best to, to white 188 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:18,400 pill. I do. 189 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:23,680 And I think I'm just, I'm fortunate enough that that those 190 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:27,440 two were just so knowledgeable. The two guys I'm referencing are 191 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,680 are Dee and and Peter Canones and obviously Jose Nino is is 192 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:32,560 there as well. So I don't mean to diminish his 193 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:35,520 contribution. What I'm just saying is like all 194 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,720 those three guys, they're just so knowledgeable and they're, 195 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,360 and they're, they're so sharp that it's easy for me to kind of 196 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,080 be, I don't know, like the cool uncle at the end of the day, 197 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,800 like, oh, hey, man, it's gonna work out. 198 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,920 You know, 'cause they, they have all the numbers, they have all 199 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,640 this stuff and they can tell you that planes are falling out of 200 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,920 the sky and they're right. They're right on everything and 201 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,560 they're right to say what they say. 202 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:58,400 I'm not, I am not backing down on any of that. 203 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,160 I'm just trying to say that I, I am blessed to be on that panel 204 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,000 and I am blessed with the position that I have 'cause I 205 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,480 get to be the kind of the cool uncle that's like, Nah, man, 206 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,000 it's gonna work out. It's gonna work out because what 207 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,120 I try and do is I try and take what they say because all of 208 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,000 it's excellent. All that needs to be out there. 209 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,280 All of it needs to be said. But I try and contextualize it 210 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,680 and say, guys, look, this information is here. 211 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:27,440 Regardless of how you choose to interact with it, it's going to 212 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,040 be here. The facts, these men lay out the 213 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,520 facts. These, these men are brave 214 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,480 enough and courageous enough and bold enough to put out there. 215 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,920 They're, they are reality. As I'm fond of quoting, there 216 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,480 was a quote from Alan Moore's V for Vendetta. 217 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,920 It's like these guys didn't put you in prison. 218 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,920 They just showed you the bars. And I, I feel my, I've been the 219 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,360 same way my whole life. I didn't put you in prison. 220 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,320 I just showed you the bars. But what I try and do on that 221 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,280 show is I try and remind them be, yes, these are the facts. 222 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,080 But just like Alcoholics Anonymous, understanding the 223 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,280 fact is the most liberating thing one can do. 224 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,680 It's just like the Bible. The truth will set you free. 225 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,760 That's what it is because it goes back to what your 226 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,600 grandfather said, his wisdom, God bless him, His wisdom. 227 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,120 OK, if you don't know what to do, then try and do as little as 228 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,800 possible until you do know what to do. 229 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,040 And then when you do, I would presume that his attitude would 230 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,520 be do it as well and as hard as you can once you do know what to 231 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,240 do because I didn't, I didn't take anything that you said from 232 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:33,720 his perspective as a call to inaction overall or as a general 233 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,720 philosophy. I took it as a call to caution 234 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,240 and that's what I try and do with these guys. 235 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,520 I try and take all the good stuff that Pete and Dee and Jose 236 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,680 put out there and I try and tell guys, look, yes, it's a mess. 237 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,240 None of these guys are wrong in anything they're saying. 238 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,320 But what I'm trying to tell you is you have the benefit of 239 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,400 knowing these things now thanks to these guys. 240 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:04,400 I didn't have that benefit when I was 162130. 241 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,680 I didn't have that benefit young men out there or younger men 242 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,240 today have that. And frankly, even older guys, 243 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,800 'cause I'm not, I try very hard not to damn a man for his, his, 244 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,560 the era of his birth. I mean, I, yeah, I complain 245 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,400 about boomers every so often too. 246 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,680 But I do try and remember no man has exempt his zeitgeist. 247 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,080 We are, we are all going to be a product of the age which formed 248 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,160 us, from which we emerged. So I try very hard not to, not 249 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,120 to blame men for that. So what I try and just tell 250 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,720 younger men is take the benefit of the knowledge that Dee and 251 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,600 Jose and Pete are giving you and, and listen to me and say, 252 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,080 OK, yes, these are bleak truths. These are rough, but you know 253 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,160 them. You know that you have 254 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,080 pneumonia. Now you just have to cure 255 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,880 pneumonia. You know that you're an 256 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,280 alcoholic. Now you just have to stop being 257 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,120 an alcoholic. You have to fight against it. 258 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,680 It's it's no different than any other diagnosis and treatment. 259 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,920 No different. And I just have the benefit of 260 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,080 being able to kind of take a breath, step back, let these 261 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,920 gentlemen do their work. And then I do what I perceive my 262 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,680 place on Thought Crime Syndicate is, which is to take what they 263 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:22,360 say and textualize it in a way that I think a lot of younger 264 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,840 people or even just average people can kind of grasp. 265 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,560 And, and OK, well, you've told me, what do I do now? 266 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,680 And then I try and be that guy. It's like, OK, here's the 267 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,240 situation that they've told you about. 268 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,320 Let me try and give you an idea of what to do or how to come to 269 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,080 terms with it, how to process the information, if that makes 270 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,040 sense to you, Jason. Yeah, no, absolutely. 271 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,760 I'm, I'm trying to do some very similar things on my channel. 272 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,240 I think the frustration or one of the frustrating things that 273 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:56,960 comes across the desk is that people then want, want a life 274 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,360 pill from from you. You know, OK, so you've 275 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,280 diagnosed the problem. We were all agreement and now 276 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,359 they want you to tell them an itemized description or advice 277 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,240 in which to use this data to benefit themselves. 278 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:14,640 And again, you have to go. I don't know, man. 279 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,200 I I don't know where you're at. Yeah. 280 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,960 And I mean, and that's exactly what I try and do. 281 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,680 I try and point outlook. I don't know each and every 282 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,359 listener personally. I mean, if people are kind 283 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,240 enough to write to me, I try and respond to everybody who writes 284 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,440 to me. I try, but you know, I don't 285 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,280 know, pardon me, I don't know everybody's situation. 286 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,800 So I try and give a very broad statement. 287 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,240 As I said in the the end of the last Thought crime episode, I'll 288 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,280 prove my honesty with my consistency. 289 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,440 As I said at the end of the last Thought crime episode in my air 290 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,440 quotes plug, I say, guys, understand you have the benefit 291 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,640 that Peter and I did not have you. 292 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,680 You are slowly getting the boot taken off your neck. 293 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,880 No, I understand mass immigration has not been solved 294 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,440 overnight. Trump didn't deport 11 million 295 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,640 people or 100 million people. No and no. 296 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,840 All of the woke stuff isn't completely gone. 297 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,080 And no, we don't control the media now. 298 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:12,680 None of that. But you are at least getting 299 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,440 some breathing room. You are at least now allowed to 300 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:21,440 say the emperor is naked. You are allowed to say that now. 301 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,400 And we weren't. We, we simply weren't. 302 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,800 And if we wanted to find these things out, the facts that Pete 303 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,480 is putting out there every day, the facts that Dee is putting 304 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,400 out there every day, the facts Jose is putting out there every 305 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,200 day. If we wanted to find that out, 306 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:43,000 that was a herculean effort just 2530 years ago. 307 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,520 I mean herculean. There's a reason that a lot of 308 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,520 the conspiracy air quotes, conspiracy theorists air quotes 309 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,880 were considered Kookie back in the day is because they had to 310 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,840 have the time to do all that stuff. 311 00:18:56,120 --> 00:19:00,080 That's why it tended to be loners or unemployed people or 312 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,000 people that just LED an offbeat life because they're the only 313 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,720 ones that had the time to to dredge for all that. 314 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,200 Now anybody can do it. You can do it from your phone. 315 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,160 You have, as I've said on my, in my one of my books, my first 316 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,120 book, you have more knowledge at your fingertips while you're 317 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:19,000 sitting on the crapper than most of human history had ever. 318 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:25,200 Like you can just scroll Google or perplexity AI anything and 319 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,960 you can find it out. But that's the reason a lot of 320 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,440 the old school air quotes conspiracy theorists were 321 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,840 loners, unemployed people that let off be lives 'cause you 322 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,480 would have to have a lot of free time to find these things out. 323 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,000 And I mean, think about it. Look at guys like yourself. 324 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,160 Look at guys like Pete, look at guys like Dee. 325 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,680 Look at the amount of hours you men put in to to find this stuff 326 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:46,960 out. And then to get it out there. 327 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,360 Look at the hours out of the day you have to put in to find that 328 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,720 even in the information age or the post information age, it's, 329 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,240 I mean, it's a lot of work even today. 330 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:03,200 So now multiply that by what, 1520, fifty, 20 years ago, 30 331 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,920 years ago, 40 years ago, 50 years ago. 332 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,800 So that's I think that's. I think the only advantage 333 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,720 people might have had 4050, whatever years ago. 334 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,680 Yes, they had the disadvantage of not having easy access to 335 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,160 information, but that means that the information that they could 336 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,880 get their hands on was probably pretty unfiltered and much more 337 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,800 almost verifiably true on which conspiracy circle you're in. 338 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,120 Whereas now the, the struggle is, it's not, it's not, it's not 339 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:40,080 a lack of information. It's almost too much information 340 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,400 where you have to constantly be ciphering through narratives and 341 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:51,000 BS and all the rest of it to try to get to the actual data itself 342 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:55,240 and then start to figure out how it links up to everything else 343 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,840 that I think it becomes the the the bigger struggle. 344 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,240 Yeah, you're, you're, you're fine. 345 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,120 You want to need to find the needle in the pile of needles, 346 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,280 right? That that makes a lot of sense. 347 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:11,680 Yeah, I I can understand that. But I again, this is me being my 348 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,000 guess. This is me trying to white pill 349 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,600 again. I would just kind of. 350 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,400 It's a good problem to have. Don't get me wrong, it's a good 351 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,360 problem to have, but it's still, it's, it's still, to your point, 352 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,520 it, it, it does still require like, you know, 40-50 hours of 353 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:31,520 just, of surfing the, the seas of, of, of, of narrative Pooh to 354 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:36,680 get to anything remotely coherent or, or usable. 355 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,560 So. Yeah, oh, of course. 356 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,280 And, and that's why I wasn't, you know, I wasn't saying it was 357 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,320 an easy job. That's why I even said like, 358 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,280 yeah, you guys are still putting in a ton of work. 359 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,720 Absolutely. But I, I think it's just the 360 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,600 human condition at the end of the day. 361 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,280 And not to wax too philosophical, but I think it 362 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,560 really is just the human condition at the end of the day 363 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,880 that we just trade one problem for another, you know? 364 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,000 OK, Well, they, they may have had it easier in some ways and 365 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,280 harder in others. But now that it's your turn to 366 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,920 carry the torch, you, they, it's just been, you know, inverted, 367 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,680 if you will, or flipped or switched around or shuffled. 368 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,520 OK, Now you have it easier in some ways and harder in others. 369 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,680 That's just the inverse of what he had, so to speak, the guy 370 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,840 before you. I I just think that's part of 371 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,640 the human condition. Maybe that's me being a bit pat 372 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,440 or flippin, I don't know. Forgive me if if it comes across 373 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,280 that way. I don't mean to be that way. 374 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,560 I'm just, I just really do believe at this point in my life 375 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,400 it's we all get across. It just matters. 376 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,160 You know what the type of wood is, that's all. 377 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,200 But we all end up with a cross at the end of the day. 378 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,000 Let's walk. Let's walk you back a little 379 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,160 bit, two more times in government. 380 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,840 So you started off. It's now known as Homeland 381 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,080 Security. What was it known when you were 382 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,440 the agency was called you? United States Immigration and 383 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:59,040 Naturalization Service, USINS. Which brings us to the other big 384 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,080 topic that's hitting the the West in general, which is the 385 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,520 immigration crisis or refugee crisis or whatever. 386 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,200 Whatever the term you want to use, Where did you? 387 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,080 OK, so you're there, I would say in maybe the early days of this 388 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,680 plan to essentially let in infinite immigrants, not the 389 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,480 saying that immigration policy in the West had not been 390 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,680 corrupted for a good long time, longer than you either. 391 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,280 You and I have been around and we're both becoming old hats 392 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,880 here. But especially, I know I'm from 393 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,760 Canada. This situation's been going on 394 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:41,000 for over 120 years in Canada, but the obviously in the last, 395 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,560 let's say 20 or 30 years, it's magnified and seems to have 396 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,440 taken on a life of its own. From your perspective of your 397 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,880 time in the Immigration Services, did you? 398 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,360 Were you there when you started to see this switch happened, or 399 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:06,360 when did you become aware that things had gone dark? 400 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,200 I would have to say from the very beginning I went in to the 401 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,440 service in 1998 is when I started. 402 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,760 I was, I was 26 when I went in and I would have to say I 403 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,800 noticed it from the get go. As a matter of fact, I, I went 404 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,840 in and I don't even think I was there a year. 405 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:28,080 And I said America is not a country. 406 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,520 It's a strip mall. Nobody comes to America to be 407 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,960 American anymore. That that died probably with my 408 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,720 grandfather in 1927 or something. 409 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,760 My grandfather died in the 90s. But I, I mean, I mean, with my 410 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,680 grandfather's arrival in the United States, it probably died. 411 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,160 I noticed that America had become a strip mall. 412 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,880 Everybody was coming here to get something, to buy something, to 413 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,960 earn something as far as money, I mean, goes, you know, get, get 414 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,120 their share, get what they want and then go home, their real 415 00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,400 home. Nobody was coming here because 416 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,400 they wanted to. And I was a badge and gun at the 417 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,720 time. It was called immigration 418 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,000 inspector. That was Border Patrol, but for 419 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,120 airports. And that's where I was. 420 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,760 And I had noticed that pretty much from the get go, I would 421 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,880 also get calls from local Police Department saying, hey, we've 422 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,800 pulled over some illegals, can you come get them? 423 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,200 And I'm like, hell yeah, I'll come get them. 424 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,040 Just let me write down where you are. 425 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,240 And my supervisors are always telling me, no, you can't do 426 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,000 that. Nope. 427 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,880 Nope. Just hang up. 428 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,160 What, you don't even want me to refer them to field agents or 429 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,000 anything? Nope. 430 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,600 Just hang up. Oh, OK. 431 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,560 But I, I, I thought this was our job. 432 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,480 It's not your job. You just worry about this post. 433 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,760 OK, All right. Well, I, I guess we'll keep 434 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,040 doing this. And it, it just became 435 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,440 incredibly frustrating. So then I ended up moving on 436 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,360 into citizenship and marriage fraud investigation, which who, 437 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,880 boy, did that end up being an even worse decision. 438 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,000 Just watching, just watching and give my country away at every 439 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,800 minute, just watching just how LAX all of these rules had 440 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,400 become, watching how even the the rules that we did have just 441 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,960 weren't enforced. And we're just I, I hesitate to 442 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,040 even say I can't say they were ignored. 443 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,920 I've never actually witnessed anybody ignoring the law, but I 444 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,760 will say that they they effectively just defanged it. 445 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,160 Don't bother prosecuting anybody, just give them another 446 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,280 chance, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 447 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,360 So that effectively they ignored it. 448 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,280 Did they literally ignore it? No, but it, it was, had been 449 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,720 defanged and that was my whole career there. 450 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,520 That's why and I won't try and I try not to go too far down this 451 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,080 particular rabbit hole, but that's why I had a recent spiral 452 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,480 of despair myself because I finally see it being taken 453 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,120 seriously and people actually at least pretending to want to deal 454 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,880 with it and, and do something about it. 455 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,800 And I was like, where was this 30 years ago when I signed up? 456 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,160 Or, you know, 25 years ago when I signed up, where was this? 457 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,840 I'd, I'd love to get back in and do that because I, I ended up 458 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,240 getting drummed out in 2005, 2006. 459 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,320 It's a little complicated on how that how we determine that exact 460 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,640 time. But because of it, because I 461 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,200 kept saying, no, I'm not going to do this. 462 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,200 I'm not going to let this slide. I'm not just going to keep 463 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,120 rubber stamping this and choking back the bile. 464 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,440 That used to be a a phrase that they would use. 465 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,360 It's just choke back the bile and stamp it. 466 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,920 Meaning doesn't matter. Just collect your paycheck. 467 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,280 Shut up. Doesn't matter if it's sickens. 468 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,600 You just do it. You know, don't don't jeopardize 469 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:36,200 your career. Wow. 470 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,920 That's amazing because that means that that means that 471 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,200 everyone's aware of it. It's one thing because I think 472 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:48,000 what the narrative many people begin to adopt, and maybe this 473 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,000 is more true in the last 10 years than it was 20 or 30 years 474 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,040 ago, but I think everyone thinks that these institutions are 475 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:03,480 ideologically captured. And from what you've said and 476 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,960 from what I've heard other people say, the ideologic, the 477 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,000 ideologues in any of these institutions really are very few 478 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,320 in number. It's mostly most people are just 479 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,800 taking their job. They, they become isolated. 480 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,440 They realize that, hey, there's no fighting this. 481 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,920 You know, if, if you do fight this, you get drummed out, you 482 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,320 fight it too hard to get drummed out. 483 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,600 You fight a little bit, you just get whacked and sent down the 484 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,480 ladder for a little bit and put in, put in the sin bin until you 485 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,520 learn your lesson. And then and then. 486 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,640 So most people just start to turn the blind eye and. 487 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,320 Go to go to work and do the thing and go home and enjoy a 488 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,720 more dwindling system. And then at least be comforted 489 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,440 in the fact that, hey, that's not my division. 490 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,080 Yeah, I, I, I'd say you nailed it exactly. 491 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,680 And I, I would stand by that observation myself. 492 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,520 You're going to find ideologues are actually few and far 493 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,600 between. It is mostly people that just go 494 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,960 along to get along. I mean, the Milgram experiment 495 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,960 showed us this, for crying out loud. 496 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,000 COVID showed us this. Most people just don't want the 497 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,760 trouble. Just forget it, just stamp it. 498 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,640 Just let me collect my check, let me collect my benefits. 499 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,840 And I'm just not one of those guys. 500 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,800 I've never, I never have been. Now I'm going to try and be fair 501 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,800 to other people and I did not I, I still don't. 502 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,920 But at the time I did not have a wife. 503 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,440 I did not have children. So obviously it was a lot easier 504 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,520 for me to sit to, to, to say no to her, to fight back. 505 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,040 I would argue that it still wasn't as easy as most people 506 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:43,640 would think because my life was misery for a good 1520 years and 507 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,040 I still haven't recovered fully, you know, from the ramifications 508 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,720 of my dismissal being drummed out. 509 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,200 But I will say I will try and be fair to other people and that it 510 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,880 still is somewhat easier for me than somebody who has to say, 511 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,840 well, you know, my kids have to eat, my kid has to go to school, 512 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,960 my kid has to have braces, etcetera, etcetera. 513 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,960 And that's fair, that's fair. But I would say that, as you 514 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,000 say, it's, it's really not so much ideologues, it's just most 515 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,400 people turning a blind eye. And I, I believe I thought it 516 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,280 was Da Vinci that said it, but I'm not going to get the quote 517 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,880 exactly correct. I think it's originally Da 518 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,440 Vinci, but it was, it was something like he who does not 519 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,720 fight evil commands it to be done. 520 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,880 And really that's the big problem. 521 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,760 It isn't that, it isn't that people are listening to the 522 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,160 devil necessarily, it's that they're just standing by letting 523 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,160 him do what he wants. And that's that's the issue. 524 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,920 Yeah, I know the it's, it does get trickier when you have kids, 525 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,040 obviously. But one of the things I've 526 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,240 really been realizing over the last, let's say, a year or two 527 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,360 is that on one hand you say, look, I have to be here to 528 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,920 protect my child, to get her braces on, etcetera. 529 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,600 On the other hand, you also have to say I have to look at my 530 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,160 child. Thank you. 531 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,640 Yes. And I have to look at myself and 532 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,880 the way that I carry myself and the way that I present myself is 533 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,800 more important than all the material things. 534 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,400 And that's a hard one because I think we get it in our heads 535 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,440 that I can deal with this. And maybe on some level you can. 536 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,520 But it's eating you. It's eating away at the fiber of 537 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,560 your being because you put something ahead of yourself. 538 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,640 And you might think it's noble, you justify it, but really what 539 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,720 you're putting ahead of yourself are all these things. 540 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:39,040 The job, the money, the career, the standing, the status. 541 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,080 That's the desire and you've justified it with your kid. 542 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,760 It's. Even worse. 543 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,640 Yeah, very well said. Yeah. 544 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,600 And I, I, I've said this often, I believe I've said it publicly, 545 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,120 but if not, let let's make this the 1st place. 546 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,600 As much as I I lament and I am the fact that I am unmarried and 547 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,800 I have no children. I, I have to kind of think that 548 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,200 least during COVID, it was a bit of a blessing because I will 549 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,440 tell you and I can say this and I know, I know a man shouldn't 550 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,160 say this if he really doesn't, if he doesn't have his his boots 551 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,880 on the ground, if he doesn't, you know, if he really doesn't 552 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,960 have those circumstances. But I am, I know myself, I've 553 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,320 been through a lot and I do know who I am at the core. 554 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,280 And I can honestly say that I think I was spared had not by 555 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,200 not having those things during COVID, because I'm pretty sure 556 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,560 I'd be in jail. One, because I wouldn't let 557 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,880 anybody do certain things to my kid. 558 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,040 Like, no, you're not going to do this. 559 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,360 You're not going to put him in a mask. 560 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,520 You're not going to do this. And two, the reason I would do 561 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,120 those things because of the reasons you just articulated. 562 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,600 Yes, they need the comforts. But to me, you know, if I had a 563 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,600 son, how, how can I, how can I teach him to be a man if I'm not 564 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,680 being one? I just, I just couldn't do it. 565 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,520 Or how could I expect my daughter to find a worthwhile 566 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,920 man and a father for her children if I don't exemplify 567 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,920 the man I want to see her with? You know, and I don't mean that 568 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,320 in a narcissist, narcissistic sense. 569 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,640 Obviously I want her to find somebody that would be 570 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,320 compatible with her. But I'm saying that a man that 571 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,960 has character, man that's honorable, a man that 572 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,480 understands that he does have to sacrifice certain things in 573 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,480 order for the world and in order to, to be one with himself, to 574 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,240 be, to be right with the world and right with God. 575 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,600 So that being said, I your words resound powerfully with me 576 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,200 because they are pretty much exactly on the same page as as 577 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,040 as I am. I would have to say exactly on 578 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,640 the same page. It's a tough one. 579 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,400 It's those are that's probably the most bitter white pill 580 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,160 possible. You would think we say things 581 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,480 like I want my daughter to find a better man than than even I am 582 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,720 right, but or do you want your child to be better than you? 583 00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,040 But you have to set the bar high, and you're not just 584 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,440 setting the bar the bar high for yourself, but you're setting it 585 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,800 higher for them because doing better than than a slimeball. 586 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,800 Is pretty easy. Yeah, exactly right, Yeah. 587 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,639 We all recognize that, right? We can all agree on that one. 588 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,840 So, OK, so we say the lowest bar is don't, don't be a don't be a 589 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,360 slimeball. OK, well, what what's, where's 590 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,719 the upper levels on this? And you can of course, set a bar 591 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,080 too high because you're being false and you're hiding your 592 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,719 faults, but which is also bad. But you should at least be 593 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,280 aiming towards the highest of the high. 594 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,840 This is, you know, this is especially for the Christians 595 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,480 listening to this. It's harder to be Christian than 596 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,760 you think, yes. Yes, Yeah. 597 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,880 Well, like Machiavelli wrote and not, not not saying that that's 598 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,600 necessarily Christian, but like Machiavelli wrote, life should 599 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,680 be like archery. You should always, you should 600 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,600 always aim higher than your target because that's the arc of 601 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,200 the arrow. We'll drop it back down. 602 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,880 And I think that's the way I think people should be. 603 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,720 Aim higher. Yes, you're going to fail, but 604 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:13,000 So what you know, you might actually succeed. 605 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,720 And if you fail trying to reach a greater height, well, then 606 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,640 you're still going to be over that slimeball bar that you 607 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,480 mentioned earlier. You know, you're still, you're 608 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,920 still going to, you're still going to Crest that particular 609 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,880 hill. So, yeah, I I think you should. 610 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,320 And as you, you also point out a very reasonable fear as well, 611 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,320 very reasonable concern with the whole, OK, well, you don't want 612 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,000 to aim too high. You don't want to be completely 613 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,880 unrealistic or false. No, that's absolutely true. 614 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,160 That's the opposite of crazy is still crazy basically, but I 615 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,400 mean you should be aiming a little higher than your target 616 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,040 because when you fall short, and you probably will, you still 617 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,120 hitting the solid mark. Here's here. 618 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,720 OK, let's get to the $1,000,000 question. 619 00:35:54,520 --> 00:36:00,560 The hardest one always why? Why do you think the immigration 620 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,480 system and the institutions in America will concentrate there 621 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,800 have become the way they became? Because obviously, even if we 622 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,360 want to trace it back to the great generation who put these 623 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,640 things in motion, you know, I always say if you want to find a 624 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,200 scapegoat, you got to go further back. 625 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,720 But regardless of who's at fault or who started it, why do you 626 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:28,920 think over the last 20-30 years, the system kind of became what 627 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,960 it what it turned out to be? Is it simply just corruption or 628 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,280 was there more of a motivating factor or what are your thoughts 629 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,440 on that? That's an excellent question. 630 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,440 And you, you, you're right to call it the $1,000,000 question. 631 00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:47,000 I guess I've always been too much of a man in the trench. 632 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,720 I was World War One is my, my, my go to. 633 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,040 I've always just been kind of the guy in the trench, the 634 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,120 officer in the trench with his pistol and his whistle. 635 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,680 I I really didn't. I really never thought too much 636 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,920 about why. I mean, not to say that it's not 637 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,200 a worthy consideration. It is, but I'm just I'm the guy 638 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,760 in the trench. I'm worried about the bullets 639 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,840 that are flying over me. I'm worried about the men under 640 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,080 my care. But the whys didn't really 641 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,200 didn't really occur to me. But since you ask, I have a 642 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,240 great respect for you. I will do the best I can at 643 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,920 answering you with with what I have. 644 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,160 And I would have to say that a lot of this was back when it was 645 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:32,880 initially set up, wanting to get a compliant pop populace and 646 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,000 wanting to get nice little worker bees and to have their 647 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,680 nice little orderly brave new world. 648 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:43,200 And who by who's ever definition you want to use, that's that, 649 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,760 that's up to you. But I think it was mostly to 650 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,520 just try and get a largely compliant populace and then they 651 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,160 would thin the herd out with their eugenics or what have you. 652 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,920 And then they'd make their money and they wouldn't have to 653 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,360 anybody to come up and knock them off the throw. 654 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,080 Because remember, you don't want the first thing you do when you 655 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,360 get to that level is you. You pull up the ladder, you 656 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,480 change the rules so nobody else can follow you. 657 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,640 And that's the first thing they did. 658 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,000 And then they just try and make everybody slower, weaker, 659 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,360 Dumber, et cetera, so that they don't have the challenge to 660 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,600 their authority. And I'm going to say very 661 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,600 clearly, I don't even know that it's necessarily, I'm sure 662 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,320 that's part of it, but I don't even know that it's necessarily 663 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,480 to keep power as it is just so much to not be challenged. 664 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,320 I just don't want the headache. Maybe I maybe they can, maybe I 665 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,120 can crush my enemies with a thought, but I don't feel like 666 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,560 sparing that thought. So I'm just going to make sure 667 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,760 that they don't show up. Remember, as Zunzu wrote, to win 668 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,400 without fighting is best. So if you can make everybody a 669 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,640 dope, forgive me for saying this bluntly, but if you can make 670 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:56,000 everybody a dope smoking retard, then I mean, you don't have to 671 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,040 worry about somebody outclassing you. 672 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,560 It's that simple. So I really think a lot of it 673 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,360 was just to maintain the power base that they had. 674 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,080 It may be to increase it, but I would suspect largely just 675 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,640 maintain it and then just keep everybody below them docile, 676 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,160 easily controlled, nice and compliant, so that they could 677 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,400 just continue on trucking with what they did. 678 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,320 But the problem is you need those people to keep your 679 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,160 society running, to build your machines, as Dee likes to say, 680 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,960 to keep your planes in the air, you need them. 681 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,720 So that's why a lot of the stuff is now falling apart because 682 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:39,840 we've been running on fumes, moving with inertia for probably 683 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,400 as long as we've been alive, Jason, probably I, I, I, I think 684 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,160 a lot of this fell apart long before we even realize. 685 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,080 As a matter of fact, I have a blog post from, gosh, it's got 686 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:55,920 to be 2012, 2013 at the oldest, where I talk about how you don't 687 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,040 understand everything's already collapsed. 688 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,720 You just, you just don't realize it. 689 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,640 And the example I used is those long domino. 690 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,760 Exhibits, if you understand the ones I'm referencing, where 691 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,840 these guys will set up these huge domino exhibits where they 692 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,040 tip 1 down and it just goes in circles and spirals and up and 693 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,040 down ramps and all over the place. 694 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,560 And I just say we it's already collapsed. 695 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,280 It's just so happens that you're standing between two dominoes 696 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,920 that have yet to fall. Meanwhile, all the others have 697 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,040 already collapsed. Yeah, One thing I said in last 698 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,160 year with Matthew Erickson was building this idea of 699 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,280 civilizational capital and my proclamation was you don't live 700 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:44,520 in a civilization anymore. We've lost the binding regio 701 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,320 that holds that civilization together, which I defined as 702 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,600 ruler, region and religion. As those 3 categories 703 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,160 deteriorate, the binding glue that holds the civilization 704 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,560 together. If we think of three major areas 705 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,000 that generate civilizational capital, being the social, the 706 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:11,640 economic, and the government, those those systems begin to 707 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,480 cannibalize each other because they still want to generate 708 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,040 capital, which I would say is the byproduct of human 709 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,720 competency. Whatever humans do competently, 710 00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:26,160 they produce capital over time. And that capital, which is not 711 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:31,120 necessarily material, like it's not always like money can be 712 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,880 material. Those things have to be 713 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,920 reinvested back into the civilization. 714 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,880 This is why great civilizations build irrational things like 715 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,400 beautiful banks. There's no rational reason to 716 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,960 make a bank beautiful. It's romantic, which will get us 717 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,280 into something else you've said that I want to get into and 718 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,640 explore a bit. But that romanticism, that 719 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,560 masculine romanticism is necessary to, to almost 720 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,240 demonstrate to the people that investment of human capital. 721 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,120 It makes people want to flourish. 722 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,720 It makes people want to think bigger things and do bigger 723 00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:11,960 things and show it off and make the civilization itself more 724 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,560 powerful, more grand, more adventurous, etcetera. 725 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,560 Yeah, it, it raises the bar. I'm sorry, I don't mean to cut 726 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,280 you off, but to kind of go back to what you were saying earlier. 727 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,640 It raises the bar. It gives us something greater to 728 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,120 shoot for that even if we fall short, we still, we still create 729 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,320 something noble, something worthwhile. 730 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,240 And that in turn fuels people to constantly want to continue. 731 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,880 It's a moralizing factor rather than a demoralizing factor. 732 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,160 It's an encouragement rather than a discouragement. 733 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,760 And I think I think it's an excellent observation. 734 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,440 And to to say to jump onto another point you raised very, 735 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,000 very wisely, another point you raised very wisely is, is the 736 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,320 whole capital. Human capital doesn't have to 737 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,160 necessarily be technological advancement, doesn't necessarily 738 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,120 have to be gold mining, diamond mining, etcetera. 739 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,400 I would argue personally, the greatest human capital ever 740 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,040 created is a high trust society. Because with a high trust 741 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,560 society, you can have space travel, you can go under the 742 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,880 under the seas, you can feed the world like with a high trust 743 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,440 society, you can the sky is the limit. 744 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:25,240 Now, of course, the danger with that is hubris. 745 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:28,920 But right now I'm just staying on the subject of human capital. 746 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,360 And I would argue that once you get that most precious commodity 747 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:38,480 of all, a high trust society, you can do anything because now 748 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:44,440 you have the minds, the backs, the, the arms, the legs of the 749 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,440 stiff necks of, of literally millions. 750 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,800 And that they they can all work together and they can all see 751 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,360 things. This is why I love talking to 752 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,960 Charles, because now you got my brain cooking. 753 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,600 Yeah. No, it's a brilliant observation 754 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,200 because one of the challenges when we're developing these 755 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:08,040 technologies is the lack of a high trust society. 756 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,160 Without it, none of the technologies we're developing 757 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,680 can be guaranteed to not be used by the bad people. 758 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,480 So let's take something controversial, slightly 759 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,080 controversial or or certain within certain spheres. 760 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,480 You take something like digital ID. 761 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,280 An. ID system that allow you to use 762 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,720 the Internet and all the rest of it. 763 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,880 You can code that as good and maybe good. 764 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,160 People are designing it for good reasons. 765 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:45,240 We have AI, we have all these other ways of, of making fakes 766 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:47,320 and all these other things making politicians look like 767 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,840 they said the wrong fake things and that could lead to nuclear 768 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,400 wars and who knows, right? So because you have a low trust 769 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,040 society, suddenly you have to respond, you have to react to 770 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,560 that low trust society by creating more and more security 771 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,480 measures. As you create more and more 772 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,400 security measures. Even if those security measures 773 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,400 are made by good people, there's no guarantee because you live in 774 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,600 a low trust society that bad people won't get their hands on 775 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,120 the levers of those security measures and turn them against 776 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,520 the populace in general. So a digital ID today, which is 777 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,040 only used against the bad people and we can all go, yes, I agree, 778 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,120 that's a good measure to use against the bad people. 779 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,040 As I've said with immigration, it's like, OK, you kick all 780 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,080 these people out now, how do you make sure they don't come back 781 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,240 in again? And lo and behold, there seems 782 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,680 to be a whole bunch of solutions to that problem, which would one 783 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,560 would be some sort of digital ID or biometrics or chips in the 784 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,640 hand, etcetera, etcetera. And again, if it's used against 785 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,680 the bad people, there's no filter, there's no brakes, 786 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,960 there's no reason to not celebrate that. 787 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,320 However, if bad people get into those systems and can use those 788 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,560 same systems against all the good people, we're right back to 789 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,120 where we started. And in fact, we just built a 790 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,640 better mousetrap for ourselves. So to Bill, go back to what you 791 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,160 said, which is great, The missing component here is a high 792 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,720 trust society and how you have to produce that first before you 793 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:08,480 produce anything else. That in actual fact, the 794 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,280 response to all the evils in the, in the ills of this world 795 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,600 that we've seen and the consequences of the last, let's 796 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,960 say 60 years at least, is not necessarily to react to them 797 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,040 directly. We can do that too. 798 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,840 But the secondary or let's say meta reaction has to be how do 799 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,440 we rebuild a high trust society so that is lasting and true. 800 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,960 The good, the beautiful true has to be substantiated. 801 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:39,240 Without it, all other reactions are just you're just creating 802 00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:42,040 more problems for if not you then your kids or your 803 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,840 grandkids. I think ultimately we'd be all 804 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,560 for naughty regardless. I mean, at that point would be 805 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,600 all for naughty if if there's not a high trust society, not as 806 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,360 you say, not only will could they be turned against us if you 807 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,840 don't have the the high trust society, as as you rightly point 808 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,080 out, but I would also say that who's to say it's even going to 809 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,760 last? And just to step back briefly 810 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,960 here, there's a great quote. Again, I'm not going to get it 811 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,760 exactly correct, but it's, it was a famous Roman thinker said 812 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,360 you can tell how corrupt a society is by how many laws it 813 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,760 has. The more laws it has, the more 814 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,640 corrupt it is. And that's what I, I, I would 815 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,160 say exactly to this conversation. 816 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,880 It's very pertinent. It's like, well, you can tell 817 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,600 that we're we're in a low trust society because we have more 818 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,760 laws than ever, because laws are the only way to make people 819 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,680 behave. Well, even they don't really 820 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,680 make people behave, but that's the best way that they can, they 821 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,400 can try it. Whereas you don't need that many 822 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,400 laws. If you have a high trust 823 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,520 society. I mean, think about maybe some 824 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,440 of the areas where you grew up when you were younger. 825 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,360 I believe you grew up in Canada, you know, or you know, just some 826 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,840 of the neighborhoods listeners grew up in. 827 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,640 You didn't need a lot of this stuff. 828 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,920 You can leave your door unlocked. 829 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,280 Why? Because there's a high trust 830 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,520 society. You know, you weren't, you just, 831 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,560 you weren't going to do things like that and your neighbors 832 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,520 weren't going to do things. Our security system back then 833 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,680 was that we lived in a blue collar, all European, 1st and 834 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,920 2nd generation European neighborhood, a lot of 835 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,680 Portuguese, Italians, Pollocks, slobs, whatever. 836 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,320 And I remember as a kid riding my bike up and down the back 837 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,360 laneway. And there was always some, you 838 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,960 know, retired man in his, let's say late 60s, maybe early 70s in 839 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:30,160 the summer, usually with a, with a tank, a tank top on, drinking, 840 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,080 drinking some sort of dark liquid out of a, out of a, out 841 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,760 of a, out of a glass and, and just sitting and watching, 842 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,120 right. Yeah. 843 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,400 And I guarantee if there was a problem, he would have said 844 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,120 something. He would have sent up the alarm, 845 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,800 said something, said something. Yeah. 846 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,960 Yeah, exactly. Right, right. 847 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,560 You're lucky if you if he just said something. 848 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,520 Fair, fair, fair. But yeah, I I would say you. 849 00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:02,760 Know you had to learn how to duck when I was a kid became 850 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:11,160 very sensitive swishing sounds. I love it, I love it. 80s radar. 851 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,400 Oh man, I want to remember. That became very sensitive to 852 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,880 swishing sound. I love that, Jason. 853 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,520 I got to hold on to that one. So here's here's another part of 854 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,960 brilliance that you said, and I've been onboarding people 855 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,320 quite often with it and it keeps blowing their minds because it's 856 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,600 so damn good. You said that the masculine 857 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,120 spirit is inherently romantic, while the feminine is inherently 858 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,680 pragmatic and like a bullet to the brain. 859 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:46,320 There, there, Charles, the so we've been coming through this, 860 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,200 this long house. Some people say I call the 861 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,160 devouring mother this period of 60 years of, of let's say 862 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:57,400 feminization and this hyper and we've seen the results, which is 863 00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,480 hyper pragmatic. We can see it in architecture. 864 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,880 You know, we see I don't live far from a industrial area and 865 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,120 all the, all the buildings are Gray slabs of concrete. 866 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,440 And it's pragmatically makes sense. 867 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,280 It's it's the it's cheap, It's easy to, it's easier to 868 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,240 construct. It's easy to put up. 869 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:19,120 Look, it's a warehouse. Why? 870 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,280 Why does that have to be pretty? All those other things? 871 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,720 And I think people would initially kick back a little bit 872 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,200 the idea because they think when, well, women love romance, 873 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,320 it's like, yeah, they love it because they can't produce it. 874 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:35,400 Well said. Very. 875 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:40,040 Well, they they're stuck in that pragmatic mindset where women 876 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,520 like to be stripped off their feet and not have to think about 877 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,400 how much things cost the thing. This is why they're attracted to 878 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,280 very, very wealthy men because they can kind of put that 879 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,920 pragmatic sense of their brain to sleep a little bit going he 880 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,240 can afford, it's fine. I would say that's exactly it. 881 00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:57,440 Yes, that's exactly it. But continue, please. 882 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,680 So, so, and of course, this is infected everything and 883 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,720 everywhere. And to bring him back to these 884 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:08,800 bureaus now that we've had 60 years of, of feminized, 885 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:14,160 feminized, pragmatic bureaus, pragmatic to a suicidal fault 886 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,080 because it's serving something. And we can speculate The Who and 887 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:26,360 what it's serving. But ultimately, as we're moving 888 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,840 now into this more masculine age, it's going to be youthful. 889 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,320 I've called it the vengeful sun. But I also think there's a room 890 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:33,800 for the prodigal son to be emergent. 891 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,800 Regardless, It's going to be a re injection of the masculine. 892 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,920 We're starting to see this slowly in AI and and many other 893 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,200 categories. What, what would you think? 894 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,920 What's your general prognosis O dispenser of white pills? 895 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,440 Because as we're moving, as we're moving into this more 896 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,840 masculine age, we're going to see a rise in romanticism. 897 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,120 And I think that's, I think that's good. 898 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,800 I'm very hopeful about it. But I also think we need to be 899 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:07,560 extremely careful because we've been, most of us have not even 900 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:12,320 touched on the romantic age. We've read about it, we've maybe 901 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,720 seen our grandfathers or older generations be the products of 902 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,880 various forms of it, but we ourselves have never experienced 903 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,080 it. And I think that first heady 904 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,280 rush, especially for the younger men, listen to this, is going to 905 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,720 be very intoxicating. And the, as it, as my 906 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:32,720 grandfather said, if you don't know what to do, do as little as 907 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,080 possible. And I think a lot of people will 908 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,120 start getting these ideas that they know exactly what to do. 909 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,600 And I'm looking at from the sidelines going, you don't know 910 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,240 shit, kid. Like, and I can, I can say that 911 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:48,760 in the mirror myself, Like, I don't know what am I talking 912 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,880 about. So, so yeah, let's let's go from 913 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,080 there. What's your general short term, 914 00:52:55,080 --> 00:53:01,560 midterm, long term prognosis on on this new romantic age that 915 00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,240 we're starting to see dawn in front of us? 916 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,440 OK, wow, this is. I I, I say the I say the easy 917 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,920 ones for the last. Yeah, they just get 918 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,840 progressively more difficult. Thank goodness I don't drink 919 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,200 during these because I I mean, you know, holy Hannah, you 920 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,080 should start. Yeah, I think I might. 921 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,960 I think I might actually, but that'll just get me even more 922 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,120 verbose than I already have. But let's let me just try and 923 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,880 wrestle with we said OK, so let's let's go with short term, 924 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,480 mid term and long term prognosis on the dawning of the new 925 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:37,200 romantic age. I, I think short term, let me 926 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,160 try and parse my thoughts as best I can because this is this 927 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,240 is another one that I, I blindsided me with. 928 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,280 I haven't even put a single thought to it. 929 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:50,480 I'd have to say I short term, yes, I think you're correct in 930 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,200 that that it's going to be intoxicating. 931 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,320 They're going to come, They're going to be dangers that come 932 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:03,800 along with it. However, I am also going to be 933 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,280 that guy to say, you know what, it's your first sip of beer, 934 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,320 enjoy it. You know what I mean? 935 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,960 Have at it. It's the first time you get a 936 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,080 little tipsy. Have at it, enjoy it. 937 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,280 Now, again, I'm not condoning drunkenness, dissolution, 938 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,880 becoming a waste stroll. Lord knows I've had my wrestles 939 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,240 with the bottle. But what I am saying is there's 940 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,720 nothing wrong. Then maybe this is the mad in 941 00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,160 me. You talked about the Portuguese. 942 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,160 That's definitely in my blood. And maybe this is the mad in me. 943 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:36,160 But there's nothing wrong with having a nice glass of wine, you 944 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,360 know, talking to friends and looking at pretty girls. 945 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,360 There's nothing wrong with that. So I would say in the short 946 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,120 term, I, I, I think they should go for it and they should enjoy 947 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,240 it. However, always keep in mind 948 00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:51,920 that like, know when to say stop if you can. 949 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:53,840 And as you say, you know, they don't know shit. 950 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,560 We don't know shit. But I think in the short term, I 951 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,440 think it's going to work out fairly well. 952 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,880 I think ironically enough, I think the short and long terms 953 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,560 are going to be the most positive. 954 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,040 I think it's the midterm that's going to be really rough because 955 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,600 I think what's going to happen in the midterm is they're going 956 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,480 to have that initial success. They're going to have that that 957 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,640 honeymoon period. And then they're going to 958 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:21,560 realize that life takes a a hell of a lot of work and that it's 959 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,600 great to be romantic. But as much as I am fond of 960 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,760 criticizing, and I do mean that word in the strictest 961 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,400 definition, not necessarily as a demeaning thing, as an attack, 962 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,680 but as the actual word itself, a criticism. 963 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:40,000 As much as I I find myself frequently criticizing women in 964 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,200 the feminine spirit, I have never once denied that they are. 965 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,240 They are part of the great dance that makes life worth living, 966 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,640 that they are part and of everything and they are 967 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,040 necessary. Do I think they have gone out of 968 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,400 bounds? Do I think the Yang has outdone 969 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,720 the yin and caused an imbalance and started turning everything 970 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:03,680 tipsy? Sarah Turvy? 971 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,560 Yes. But does that mean it needs to 972 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,280 be crushed and eliminated? No, absolutely not. 973 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,840 The opposite of crazy is still crazy. 974 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,240 So to bring it back to where I started, I think the short term 975 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,720 is going to be good. I think you're going to see a 976 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:20,920 lot of growth. Simply wasn't possible because 977 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,480 as you say, the smothering mother, I think you're going to 978 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,480 start seeing things, innovations start happening again. 979 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,840 I think you're going to start seeing a lot of young men just 980 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,200 start taking the bull by the horns. 981 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,080 Because one of the things that I find both both encouraging and 982 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,440 also, frankly, if I'm being honest, a little upsetting, 983 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,960 it's, it's both, it's bittersweet is the whole it's a 984 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,920 new age. You can just do things. 985 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,480 And it's like, guys, you could always just do things. 986 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,760 I've been screaming that since I was 13. 987 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,000 You could always just do things. It's the fact that people listen 988 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,040 to the Long House and they didn't bother is what got them 989 00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,480 into trouble. But I digress. 990 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:00,560 I don't want to go down the road. 991 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,040 No, but hang on, let's just pause there for a second because 992 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:08,120 I think that's that's really important because we've been 993 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,680 living in this age of feminization and it started 994 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,320 really at the end of the 50s and beginning of the 60s and it 995 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:19,080 started subversively working its way through as a reaction to the 996 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,560 Trinical Father. This is, you know, not excusing 997 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,880 the generation or the age that came before it. 998 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,560 We can talk, we can call them the Great Generation for their 999 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:34,560 sacrifices, but they also lived through three really disturbing 1000 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,560 periods of time, 2 World wars and a Great Depression, just a 1001 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:43,360 name, name 3 those men. And I knew those men. 1002 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,920 I knew those men when they were older. 1003 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,720 So they had mellowed a bit, but a lot of those men were very 1004 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:54,360 broken and it the boomers didn't come from any, didn't come from 1005 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,480 nothing. And our fathers were in some 1006 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,400 ways modeling and reacting to their fathers. 1007 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:07,080 So, you know, broken, broken models broken. 1008 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,560 So I'm not laughing at a time. Yeah, go ahead. 1009 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:16,640 No, but it's it's it's laughable only because what else you're 1010 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,640 going to do is you either laugh or cry at. 1011 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:19,320 This one, right? Yeah. 1012 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,600 It's exactly. It's a Zen laugh. 1013 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,240 It's a Zen laugh. It's it's so bitter. 1014 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,560 True. You just have to please 1015 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:24,680 continue. I don't want to cut you off. 1016 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,320 My apology. Well, because I think it's all 1017 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,840 part and parcel to that. You can just do any, you can 1018 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:35,560 just do things because because our, our, let's say our 1019 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,000 grandfathers were broken. They modeled broken behavior to 1020 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,480 our fathers and those our fathers modeled broken behavior 1021 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,600 to us. When I hear younger men start to 1022 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,920 talk about masculinity in these ways, you can start to see the 1023 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,400 broken, the the broken telephone effect because I see them saying 1024 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,120 things and reacting to things in a way that I'm like, OK, yeah. 1025 00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,880 But wait, you're, you're taking this. 1026 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,800 I can, I understand what you're saying, but you're, you're 1027 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:11,520 taking this in a, in a negative direction when you have every 1028 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:17,000 opportunity to not do that. So but they're, they're also 1029 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:21,120 reacting to this, to the 60 years of over feminization, to 1030 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,160 the point and back to your point, you could always have 1031 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,960 just done these things, but we were behind our mother's apron 1032 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,560 and not just our mother, but this feminine spirit. 1033 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,920 So we felt like we had to ask permission that or else we get 1034 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,120 our hands slapped. And that just grew into a 1035 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:46,040 psychosis that that penetrated the entire generations. 1036 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,680 And we're still modeling that to the to the to the future 1037 00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,560 generations. So that the hard part now is to 1038 00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:57,200 isolate exactly, not just where we went wrong as a general 1039 00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,600 sense, but where you're going wrong in a personal sense. 1040 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,640 And to isolate that down and to go, OK, wait, wait, wait, wait, 1041 01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,880 wait. Right before I start to mouth 1042 01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,960 off and make and make proclamations about anything. 1043 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,840 Where am I weak? Where am I affected by all this 1044 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,040 stuff? Because I think that I'm just 1045 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,360 cuz I can see it that I'm not directly affected by it is crazy 1046 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:23,640 and and dangerously wrong. Yes, yes, absolutely correct. 1047 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,080 I think it's interesting all these points you raised, because 1048 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,680 that was very much my arc when I lost my career, I started 1049 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:35,680 drinking and I had I had a decade long night of the soul 1050 01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,040 about extended suicide attempt. I've called it, called it in 1051 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:44,840 that on Twitter and in my books. So I, I, your, your words ring 1052 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,880 very powerfully in my ears, and that's what told. 1053 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,240 You, what spirit told you you had to have this career? 1054 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,680 Who set that desire for you? That's not a romantic desire. 1055 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,360 That's a pragmatic desire. Go get a good job. 1056 01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,680 Make sure you, you know, make sure you, you button it down, 1057 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,160 all that stuff. This advice could even have come 1058 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,040 from your father, but I feel like there's a feminine aspect 1059 01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,280 to that advice. Ironically enough, ironically 1060 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,200 enough, it was a romantic dream I wanted to give back. 1061 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,880 I, I think what I think. I'm not going to discount what 1062 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,440 you're saying, Jason, because I think, sorry, I made that. 1063 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,560 Personal information probably made that more meta, but. 1064 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,120 No, no, no, no, no. And I'm glad you did. 1065 01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,320 No, I'm glad you did. I'm glad you did what you did 1066 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,520 because I think you're, I think you're correct, but for the 1067 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:37,720 wrong reason. And by which I mean my dream was 1068 01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,800 always, I've always been a romantic. 1069 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,760 I mean, for crying out loud, just look at my Hoover like 1070 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,080 it's, it's incredibly romantic and all that. 1071 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,160 And I mean that capital R necessarily. 1072 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:54,360 But I would say that you are correct in the sense of the 1073 01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:59,160 reason I chose that particular path rather than other things. 1074 01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:04,280 I considered joining the French Foreign Legion because that was 1075 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:10,440 the most female friendly way to be romantic to be again, capital 1076 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,920 R romantic in the the literary sense, you know, the heroes 1077 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,720 fighting the Dragons, saving the maidens, that sort of things. 1078 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:22,240 I that was the most feminine approved way that I could do it. 1079 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:23,640 And it still wasn't very approved. 1080 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,440 Women in my family, my mother and my grandmother, God rest 1081 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,200 both their souls. But no, they still didn't like 1082 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,760 it because it was still dangerous. 1083 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,200 It was still a very mask. They wouldn't say this, of 1084 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,280 course. I'm sure they weren't even 1085 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,840 conscious of it, but it was still a very masculine 1086 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,960 profession. But at least I could soothe them 1087 01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,120 by saying, oh, but it's a good job, it's secure, I make good 1088 01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,840 money. So then they were able to, to 1089 01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,680 kind of dial it back a bit. So again, I, I'm very glad you, 1090 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,520 you made it about me for a moment because that made me kind 1091 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,800 of think about, hey, is he right here? 1092 01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,360 And I, I think, I think he is right, just in at, at the wrong 1093 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,520 aspect. So I, I think there is some 1094 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,160 truth to what you say because I don't exonerate myself. 1095 01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,520 As I said earlier in the program, no man has exempt his 1096 01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,840 zeitgeist. I too was a victim of the apron 1097 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,560 strings. I too was tied like a marionette 1098 01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,000 to the apron strings, but I tried to cut them the best I 1099 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,760 could and I would say even then I was not very successful. 1100 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,480 And I don't think it's a coincidence that I've spent 1101 01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:28,720 pretty much 20 some years. My first blog started in 2004 1102 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,800 and I closed shop when COVID started to my second one in 1103 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,560 2020. So what's that? 1104 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:41,160 16 years of writing was all just trying to get men to understand 1105 01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,440 how hurt they are, how broken they are. 1106 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,760 And not, not in a bad way, not to belittle them, but to say, 1107 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,160 hey, take a good long look at yourself and don't worry about 1108 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,560 girls, worry about fixing yourself. 1109 01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,480 And every time I would criticize women, I would say you'd also 1110 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,960 have to look and see that they're broken too. 1111 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,560 They they, they also come from a broken background. 1112 01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,680 So you just have to fix yourself and then worry about other 1113 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,920 things. Yeah, as. 1114 01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,760 The only fans phenomena didn't happen by itself. 1115 01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,080 And we can point obviously fingers at the people who have 1116 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:21,080 popularized these things and made their money and etcetera 1117 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,960 off these things and they of course they are at fault. 1118 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:31,120 But the motivation to even do such a thing has to come from 1119 01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:36,080 something. And again, if you you you when 1120 01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,400 porn becomes pragmatic. Yeah, well, I mean, that's 1121 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,080 exactly what it is. You're exactly right. 1122 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,760 Because why work? Why work at McDonald's for 1123 01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,760 $12.00 an hour or whatever they're paying? 1124 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,760 I, I, I don't know why? Why work at Walmart for 15? 1125 01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,240 Why, when you can just masturbate on camera and you'll 1126 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,880 make, you know, 3000 a week? I, I don't know, I, I don't 1127 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,960 never used only fans. I don't pay for it, but I bet 1128 01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,000 I've heard stories that that's what they make. 1129 01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,080 So it's like, why would you? That's not a pragmatic way of 1130 01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,760 looking at things. I mean, a lot of guys would do 1131 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,440 it if they could get paid that like that. 1132 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,240 Why would they want to work at Jiffy Lube? 1133 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:19,240 Why would they want to be a plumber or, you know, wade in in 1134 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:24,200 human waste and fixing septic tanks if they could just perform 1135 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,040 certain acts on camber and make 3 grand a week? 1136 01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,880 I it's just pragmatic. And that's, I think you're 1137 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,440 exactly right that that's exactly what drew them to it. 1138 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,000 And one of the things I say, one of my favorite posts to actually 1139 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:41,920 find me be so bold as to put it out there is to say both men and 1140 01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:46,600 males and females over the last I I would say 50 years, but 1141 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,920 definitely over the last 30 are malnourished. 1142 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,800 They're just malnourished in a different way. 1143 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,080 Men were starved and women were fed snacks. 1144 01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:01,320 You know, men got scraps from the table, and now they're thin, 1145 01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:05,920 emaciated, weak. Women have been fed cookies, 1146 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:11,160 candy, ice cream, soda for 30 years. 1147 01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,120 And now they're morbidly obese, diabetic. 1148 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,760 And I mean this actually metaphorically, not even 1149 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,480 literally. I mean it as we've told them 1150 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,320 their sweetness and their light and their wonderful, but now 1151 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,640 they're malnourished, Now they're unhealthy because they 1152 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:27,720 don't understand that they do have weaknesses. 1153 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,000 They do have flaws. Am I saying that that makes them 1154 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,480 evil? No, of course not. 1155 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,600 I'm saying it makes them human. And now that's why they're all 1156 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,080 on antidepressants, because they see that they have flaws, but 1157 01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,080 everything else in the world has told them that they're flawless. 1158 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,880 So now each and every one of them thinks they're unique by 1159 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:50,440 having human flaws. So now they're all on fistfuls 1160 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:54,840 of pills to stay sane. This is why is, you know, 1161 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,280 especially in the West, because it is a Christian nation. 1162 01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,600 The whole West has been built upon by Christianity. 1163 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,000 And you have two models present in Christianity, of course, 1164 01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:11,600 Jesus Christ, but his mother Mary or the Theotochus. 1165 01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:13,880 And I think people have been really sleeping on it. 1166 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,600 And I think women, you know, women who I've talked to who get 1167 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:23,320 introduced to Orthodoxy are quite amazed by the veneration 1168 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:30,120 we give to the Theotokos to, to Mary, because the Mary, Mary is 1169 01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,640 supposed to be a model to the women. 1170 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,480 And in that model, of course, she's, she's with, she's 1171 01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,920 without, she's as without sin as possible. 1172 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,760 She is sort of the perfected female form, right? 1173 01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:44,920 The the one who please God the most. 1174 01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:51,880 But in that model is her sacrifice that she knew exactly. 1175 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:56,760 But when her son was born and who her son was, what was going 1176 01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,320 to be required of him? And she had to stand by and let 1177 01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,520 that happen. And the knowledge of that 1178 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,720 coupled with her grace is why she's such an important model 1179 01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,760 for women. It's not just a, it's, it's that 1180 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:17,080 holding yourself up to a much more higher standard and is, 1181 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,520 let's say, perfectly pragmatic because you have to let your son 1182 01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:28,880 be tortured and sacrificed for the good of all humanity, for 1183 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,880 all for all time. I can't think of anything more 1184 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:37,240 pragmatic than that. But it takes the greatest 1185 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,760 sacrifice. And you know, I, I think not 1186 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,720 enough attention is given that in our society, because of 1187 01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,880 course we've moved away from all those things foolishly. 1188 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,720 I think we're moving towards that at at a. 1189 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,399 Almost alarming the pace, yeah. And I would also point out, 1190 01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:55,000 since this is another thing that I've discussed many times and, 1191 01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,640 and forgive me if this I, I, I hope this doesn't come out as 1192 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,319 blasphemous because it certainly is not meant that I, I mean it 1193 01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:03,319 with the absolute utmost, greatest respect. 1194 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,319 But as as a, as a Roman Catholic myself, a very lapsed one, but 1195 01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:10,560 I'm as a deeply religious person, at least at heart, if 1196 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:15,160 not in practice. I would also point out that one 1197 01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,680 of the other tremendous things about, about the Blessed Mother 1198 01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:24,520 is it's an exemplification and about as redeeming as as 1199 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,120 possible of the curse of Eve. You know, what was Eve's curse 1200 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,279 that she disobeyed God. And what was the Blessed 1201 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:34,960 Mother's greatest, you know, greatest thing was that she 1202 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,080 obeyed him. As difficult as it was, as, as, 1203 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:42,040 as, as hard it was going to be for a mother to watch her only, 1204 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,279 you know, her child die, you know, be tortured and die. 1205 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,439 Like that's, that's the ultimate, you know, obeying of 1206 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,040 God. Like how imagine asking a mother 1207 01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:55,200 to do that. That's, that's just, you can't, 1208 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,600 it's hard to even fathom. I wouldn't even try because I 1209 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,160 wouldn't know what that's like. But I mean, to me that's I, I 1210 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,880 think that's even more of a demonstration of her grace and 1211 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,880 her importance. Just that, overcoming the curse 1212 01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:11,640 of Eve, not only not disobeying God, but obeying him and 1213 01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,960 probably the hardest thing any sane woman could ever do in her 1214 01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,720 existence. Let's bring this back to bureaus 1215 01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,000 for a second before we say goodbye to you, Charles. 1216 01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:29,720 I'll try to make this a bit easier because I'm sure you've 1217 01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,680 thought about this before. I'm giving you the magic wand, 1218 01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,920 Charles. You're able to go back into into 1219 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,480 these bureaus and do do with them as you will. 1220 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:45,320 What would what would the changes that's Charles Badillo 1221 01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:51,760 would make to Homeland Security FBICI All of them are pick pick 1222 01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:57,280 your pick your one if you want. What would you do to improve on 1223 01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,800 on the the health and welfare of these bureaus? 1224 01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:05,320 OK, I'm going to try and answer as concisely as I can, but I'm 1225 01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,600 going to try and answer as thoroughly as I can. 1226 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,760 Was at least right that you had thought about this, at least. 1227 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,760 Oh, absolutely, absolutely. You, you are 100% right on that 1228 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,640 one, Jason, you're batting really, really well tonight. 1229 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:21,360 I'm going to give you that. First off, I would say, and this 1230 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,520 should probably come as no surprise to your listeners or 1231 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,800 anybody that's been paying a great deal of attention to this 1232 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:32,080 broadcast, I would, First off, I'd get rid of a whole bunch of 1233 01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:33,680 people. But that's a Gimme that that, 1234 01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,920 that's just a Gimme. Am I get rid of? 1235 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,640 I mean, I would and I'll try watch what I say very, very 1236 01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,240 carefully. I would prosecute to the full 1237 01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,680 extent of the law everybody that I could. 1238 01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:53,800 And I would replace them with Romantics Capital R. 1239 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:59,560 Now is the time to get ideologues back in, because it's 1240 01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,640 going to be a slog. It's going to be work. 1241 01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:10,160 And also, I want Idealogs because I want them to use the 1242 01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,240 rules that exist. And I've mentioned this on 1243 01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,680 Thoughtcrime Syndicate, and I'm gonna mention it again here. 1244 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,800 I cannot, out of respect, use the man's name. 1245 01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:23,560 But I know an attorney in Texas, a good friend of mine, we've 1246 01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,040 known each other for for almost a decade now. 1247 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:31,360 And he has said something that has just rung in my head for as 1248 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,840 long as I've known him and has resounded within me and my 1249 01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,600 experiences. And he said it's much easier to 1250 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,760 turn things around than you think because all of the laws 1251 01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,440 already exist. It just takes somebody with the 1252 01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:49,600 will to enforce them. And Jason, I am a very flawed 1253 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,760 man. I will never say otherwise. 1254 01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,400 I am not smartest man on the planet, not the wisest man on 1255 01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:01,360 the planet, but I am a very, in all senses, sadly, good and bad. 1256 01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:06,480 I'm a very willful man. So I would happily replace with 1257 01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:09,040 romantics. And then I would say we are 1258 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,760 going to use the laws that are already on the books. 1259 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,480 We don't need to create another law at all. 1260 01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:18,000 I don't need to stroke a pen even in the slightest. 1261 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:23,120 And we are going to use everything that exists already 1262 01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:27,320 to its fullest extent. And I am a firm believer in the 1263 01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:31,320 Pareto principle, the 8020 rule. And I would, I would be willing 1264 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:35,640 to bet you, Jason, I bet you a kidney, my own kidney, in fact, 1265 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,880 not not even somebody else's. I would bet you my own kidney 1266 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:43,560 that I could turn most of the problems in America around in 1267 01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:47,040 two years, in two years. And I'll give you a brief 1268 01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,400 example of why I say that. When I was going to get my 1269 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:54,320 private investigator license in Oklahoma, it came to my 1270 01:13:54,320 --> 01:14:00,240 attention that by Oklahoma State law, you are allowed, you, being 1271 01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:04,800 the average citizen, are allowed to disperse a riot with a 1272 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:09,080 shotgun. You are legally permitted to 1273 01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,920 disperse a riot by shooting a shotgun into the riot. 1274 01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:16,280 What did the instructor say? Now, don't get any ideas. 1275 01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,560 OK, So what you're telling me is you don't want me to use the law 1276 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:25,040 for the benefit of law abiding citizens. 1277 01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:30,280 And to me that is the biggest cancer in government, in 1278 01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:36,280 bureaucracy, in administration this very day, and it has been 1279 01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,600 for the longest time. And I, and that needs to go. 1280 01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,120 That is what I would do with my magic wand. 1281 01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:45,080 I would put romantics in charge, men that have higher ideals, men 1282 01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,560 that aren't in it just to get their jollies by saying that 1283 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,120 they're the toughest guy on the block. 1284 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,080 Men that aren't in it to just use it as an excuse to beat 1285 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,720 people up in a way, I kind of would want to drag people 1286 01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,960 kicking and screaming into the job because those are the guys I 1287 01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,000 know that aren't going to do it because they just have their own 1288 01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,320 personal axe to grind or want the power. 1289 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,520 You know, like the Taoists always say, man, you should put 1290 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,840 on the throne is the one you have to drag kicking and 1291 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,400 screaming to it. But I would put romantics in and 1292 01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:17,120 I would say, let's use the law. And I think you would be amazed, 1293 01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,680 amazed, Jason, at how quickly things turn around. 1294 01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:29,360 Well, from your lips to God's ears, let's hope and pray that 1295 01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:34,520 they what is started in America will be good and flourishing and 1296 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,760 will spread throughout the West in good and flourishing ways 1297 01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:42,240 because Lord knows we need it. Thank you, Charles. 1298 01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,160 It's always, it's always good, man. 1299 01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:46,120 Thank you Jason. I love that. 1300 01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,520 Love being on your program. Thank you so much for having. 1301 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,040 Me. My pleasure, my friend. 1302 01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,640 Ladies and gentlemen, I am Jason Maranchuk, and it is later than 1303 01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:54,040 you think.