Tales of the Shadow Empire, whispers in the lunar fire goes
alive with unseen vains. The moon is just a state.
Truth is woven into dreams. Truth is woven into deep, deep
dreams. Always a pleasure, Charles.
We are live. Right back at you, Jason.
Thank you very much for having me.
I'm just going to quote you here with one of your tweets.
This is a response to Christopher F Rufo.
I read his tweet out first. Exclusive Grossman, Hannah and I
have obtained logs from the NS as secret transgender chat sex
chat room in which NSACIA and DIA employees discussed genital
genital castration, artificial vaginas, piss, fetishes, sex
polecules and gang bangs all on government time.
To which he responded on thought crime syndicate with Pete
Kunones. I said the intelligence
community deep state hired degenerates because they're easy
to keep in mind via blackmail. Yet the tactic was so overused
that now degenerates run everything using power to large
to largely normalize it, thus weakening the threat.
So the title of this episode is the shadow Bureau.
Since you've had experience, of course, in the in the bureaus
themselves of the American bureaucracy, I thought it was a
surefire hit to have you on. Plus, I always like talking to
Charles. So run us through that tweet.
Explain yourself, Sir. But certainly 1st I'm going to
say I want you to read all my tweets.
You, you, you have a great voice for my writing style.
So you should read all my stuff. But moving, moving forward to
kind of explain, well, not to kind of to definitely explain
myself with that. What we have to understand is
it, it has been a tactic, I want to say for as long as I've been
alive, probably longer to, for intelligence agencies to get
compromised or compromisable individuals.
And those generally in, in more moral societies than ours, those
generally were sexual deviants, like, like the kind that just
been outed or out of themselves due to their recklessness.
Now the reason they have been chosen and is because they are
compromisable, they are easily shamed.
They are easily socially persecuted.
They are easily socially ostracized.
And as anybody who is a student of sociology knows or of human
behavior understands that really isolation is a greater
punishment than quite a bit of quite a bit of other options
that exist. So what these intelligence
agencies do is they get somebody that's compromised or
compromisable and they take them and they say, OK, well, I'm
going to take you into the organization.
I'm going to make you a senator. I'm going to make you a mayor.
I'm going to make you a joint chief of staff, whatever, what
have you, head of the NSA. Now the deal is you're going to
run policy the way I want it, and you will get to keep your
job. You will get to do what you do,
but you have to do what I say. And if you decide to step out of
line, I will make sure these pictures, these videos, these
audios, et cetera, this evidence gets out there and you will be
ruined. You will either be criminally
prosecuted or you will be socially ostracized or more than
likely both. And that's what they've done.
And they've done that for many, many years.
So much so that there was a series on British television
many years ago in the 70s called Blake 7.
And the reason I bring this up specifically is that's exactly
what they did to the character in Blake 7.
They made-up, well I should say not exactly what they did to
him. They framed him for being one of
those individuals and then that cost him everything and put him
in prison and everything and all that sort of thing.
So the the reason I bring up that as an example is because it
was already well known by whenever that show was made
197476 something like that. So I'm 52 and so that's, that's
been something that's been going on my whole lifetime.
And it was well known in the 70s.
So I, I can't imagine that it hasn't been done since probably
the 30s maybe before. I couldn't give you a hard and
fast date on it. But here's the issue with that
trick. And I'll this is where I move
into the, the second part of my tweet.
This is the segue to the second part of my tweet.
Here's the issue. That trick works.
And what do people do when they encounter a technique that works
well? They use it because that just
makes sense. If it works, keep doing it.
If it doesn't work, stop. Well, the problem is not only
that it works, it works all too well.
So they just kept doing. They'd get people like Harvey
Milk, etcetera. Just keep going, keep going.
Let's get more and more degenerates in here because
they're all easy to all easy to compromise, all easy to keep
under our thumb, which is exactly why you've seen pretty
much all of government left and right in the United States move
in lockstep. I mean, as I've said, goodness
gracious, I said it on back when I had a Facebook account back in
like 2008, I said if I want to watch two guys, it was about a
presidential race. I said if I want to watch two
guys pretend to fight and then shake hands behind a curtain and
get paid by the same guy, I'll watch pro wrestling.
So all this is to say so that if this trick works and it works so
well, they just keep doing it. But now the problem is now
you've got all these degenerates in positions of power.
You've got them in government, you've got them in media.
And what that will do is that will give them the the hands on
the levers or the fingers on the buttons to start normalizing it.
This is also why you've seen a tremendous push over the last 20
years or so to normalize homosexuality, trans sexual
deviants, etcetera. And that is because if that gets
normalized, how are you going to socially ostracize these people?
How are you going to shame them? It might even get to the point,
as a lot of places are starting to do, they're starting to
decriminalize a lot of this stuff.
Some, some of it even Pederaski is starting to get minimized.
And the issue is how do you, how do they keep these people
compromised? And the answer is, you really
can't. So it's a creation.
The Golem has escaped its rabbi, the the Frankenstein has escaped
its creator, because these people have been given the
power, given the means to start normalizing this.
And they did. And I can't, I can't necessarily
blame them in the sense of it. That's how they're going to to
get themselves out from under the thumb of their controllers.
Obviously I don't condone what they do, but I'm saying only a
fool would think that they wouldn't try that.
And the trick had been done so often and so frequently and with
such vociferousness that now pretty much everybody in the
club is a degenerate. Everybody with their hands on
the button is a degenerate. So that's why you've been living
in filth for 2025 years, that it's only gotten worse as time
has gone on? Thanks for bringing up like 7 is
one of my favorites. I actually just redownloaded a
bunch of it with the plans of rewatching and so it's fantastic
series. It's sort of the dark, the dark
Doctor Who made around during that sort of weird BBC period.
A more modern version of that would be The Good Shepherd with
that Matt Damon, Angelia and Jolie, Robert De Niro.
It's sort of a semi fictional Hoover kind of buy up where ACIA
guy becomes becomes the head of the CIA and and of course they
use complimat to to to play with him as well and his son.
The the interesting thing with all this, of course is it before
we press record, you said that you you were one of the greatest
white pillar dispensers over on Crime Thought Syndicate.
I I try to be. I try to be.
I would prefer to you to use to use the term bitter white pill,
Sir. I'll allow it.
Fair. I will do.
I will do so. Tastes like Fisherman's Friends,
but it but it fixes the problem and part of the series of tales
of the Shadow Empire, which is sort of revealing, trying to
reveal some of these truths, starting with the economy and
moving through other, other domains.
People that, you know, sometimes ask me what's the use like?
They keep thinking like, OK, you're, you're signing out,
you're telling me all this so I can make financial moves and all
the rest of it. I'm like, look, I, I can't tell
you exactly where you're at and I don't know what the use case
for you person might be. But I believe that if, if I had
known in 2019 what was about to happen in 2020 and the reasons
for it, that would have cut out a lot of the emotional stress
and baggage and running around, you know, not uncertainties,
let's say that occurred for those, those 2-3 years.
And I think that's a value onto itself.
Because once you can see things clearly, even if you don't like
what you're seeing, it decreases your, your efforts to, to do,
your percentage chance of doing the wrong thing goes down.
My grandfather once said that if you don't know what to do, do as
little as possible until you know what to do.
Because often times when you don't know what to do, if you're
just doing, you know, flailing at things, it's exhausting and
you end up doing a whole bunch of wrong things.
So it's probably better to know what to do or what's going on,
let's put it that way first, and then move from that position.
So you know, this revealing that's happening, this
apocalypse that's happening in the West and it's it's happening
mostly in America, but I think it's going to spread through
other Western territories is showing, it is showing us the
that dark underbelly and, and kind of dispensing that boomer
truth mentality that yes, sure, politicians lie and these
people, you know, they end up doing bad things, but not all of
them and certainly not all the time.
And, and not, no, not us. It's these these, it's the
other. Guys right, It's the other
scene. Yeah, Yeah, no.
No, it's us. Yeah, it's still.
It's still, yeah. To be clear, just to step back a
bit, I, I, I want to be very, very clear.
I, I didn't say that I was the greatest white pill dispenser on
Thought Crime Syndicate. I said I'm going for the, the,
the, the White pill dispenser of the year award on Thought Crime
Syndicate, because I think those guys do their best to, to white
pill. I do.
And I think I'm just, I'm fortunate enough that that those
two were just so knowledgeable. The two guys I'm referencing are
are Dee and and Peter Canones and obviously Jose Nino is is
there as well. So I don't mean to diminish his
contribution. What I'm just saying is like all
those three guys, they're just so knowledgeable and they're,
and they're, they're so sharp that it's easy for me to kind of
be, I don't know, like the cool uncle at the end of the day,
like, oh, hey, man, it's gonna work out.
You know, 'cause they, they have all the numbers, they have all
this stuff and they can tell you that planes are falling out of
the sky and they're right. They're right on everything and
they're right to say what they say.
I'm not, I am not backing down on any of that.
I'm just trying to say that I, I am blessed to be on that panel
and I am blessed with the position that I have 'cause I
get to be the kind of the cool uncle that's like, Nah, man,
it's gonna work out. It's gonna work out because what
I try and do is I try and take what they say because all of
it's excellent. All that needs to be out there.
All of it needs to be said. But I try and contextualize it
and say, guys, look, this information is here.
Regardless of how you choose to interact with it, it's going to
be here. The facts, these men lay out the
facts. These, these men are brave
enough and courageous enough and bold enough to put out there.
They're, they are reality. As I'm fond of quoting, there
was a quote from Alan Moore's V for Vendetta.
It's like these guys didn't put you in prison.
They just showed you the bars. And I, I feel my, I've been the
same way my whole life. I didn't put you in prison.
I just showed you the bars. But what I try and do on that
show is I try and remind them be, yes, these are the facts.
But just like Alcoholics Anonymous, understanding the
fact is the most liberating thing one can do.
It's just like the Bible. The truth will set you free.
That's what it is because it goes back to what your
grandfather said, his wisdom, God bless him, His wisdom.
OK, if you don't know what to do, then try and do as little as
possible until you do know what to do.
And then when you do, I would presume that his attitude would
be do it as well and as hard as you can once you do know what to
do because I didn't, I didn't take anything that you said from
his perspective as a call to inaction overall or as a general
philosophy. I took it as a call to caution
and that's what I try and do with these guys.
I try and take all the good stuff that Pete and Dee and Jose
put out there and I try and tell guys, look, yes, it's a mess.
None of these guys are wrong in anything they're saying.
But what I'm trying to tell you is you have the benefit of
knowing these things now thanks to these guys.
I didn't have that benefit when I was 162130.
I didn't have that benefit young men out there or younger men
today have that. And frankly, even older guys,
'cause I'm not, I try very hard not to damn a man for his, his,
the era of his birth. I mean, I, yeah, I complain
about boomers every so often too.
But I do try and remember no man has exempt his zeitgeist.
We are, we are all going to be a product of the age which formed
us, from which we emerged. So I try very hard not to, not
to blame men for that. So what I try and just tell
younger men is take the benefit of the knowledge that Dee and
Jose and Pete are giving you and, and listen to me and say,
OK, yes, these are bleak truths. These are rough, but you know
them. You know that you have
pneumonia. Now you just have to cure
pneumonia. You know that you're an
alcoholic. Now you just have to stop being
an alcoholic. You have to fight against it.
It's it's no different than any other diagnosis and treatment.
No different. And I just have the benefit of
being able to kind of take a breath, step back, let these
gentlemen do their work. And then I do what I perceive my
place on Thought Crime Syndicate is, which is to take what they
say and textualize it in a way that I think a lot of younger
people or even just average people can kind of grasp.
And, and OK, well, you've told me, what do I do now?
And then I try and be that guy. It's like, OK, here's the
situation that they've told you about.
Let me try and give you an idea of what to do or how to come to
terms with it, how to process the information, if that makes
sense to you, Jason. Yeah, no, absolutely.
I'm, I'm trying to do some very similar things on my channel.
I think the frustration or one of the frustrating things that
comes across the desk is that people then want, want a life
pill from from you. You know, OK, so you've
diagnosed the problem. We were all agreement and now
they want you to tell them an itemized description or advice
in which to use this data to benefit themselves.
And again, you have to go. I don't know, man.
I I don't know where you're at. Yeah.
And I mean, and that's exactly what I try and do.
I try and point outlook. I don't know each and every
listener personally. I mean, if people are kind
enough to write to me, I try and respond to everybody who writes
to me. I try, but you know, I don't
know, pardon me, I don't know everybody's situation.
So I try and give a very broad statement.
As I said in the the end of the last Thought crime episode, I'll
prove my honesty with my consistency.
As I said at the end of the last Thought crime episode in my air
quotes plug, I say, guys, understand you have the benefit
that Peter and I did not have you.
You are slowly getting the boot taken off your neck.
No, I understand mass immigration has not been solved
overnight. Trump didn't deport 11 million
people or 100 million people. No and no.
All of the woke stuff isn't completely gone.
And no, we don't control the media now.
None of that. But you are at least getting
some breathing room. You are at least now allowed to
say the emperor is naked. You are allowed to say that now.
And we weren't. We, we simply weren't.
And if we wanted to find these things out, the facts that Pete
is putting out there every day, the facts that Dee is putting
out there every day, the facts Jose is putting out there every
day. If we wanted to find that out,
that was a herculean effort just 2530 years ago.
I mean herculean. There's a reason that a lot of
the conspiracy air quotes, conspiracy theorists air quotes
were considered Kookie back in the day is because they had to
have the time to do all that stuff.
That's why it tended to be loners or unemployed people or
people that just LED an offbeat life because they're the only
ones that had the time to to dredge for all that.
Now anybody can do it. You can do it from your phone.
You have, as I've said on my, in my one of my books, my first
book, you have more knowledge at your fingertips while you're
sitting on the crapper than most of human history had ever.
Like you can just scroll Google or perplexity AI anything and
you can find it out. But that's the reason a lot of
the old school air quotes conspiracy theorists were
loners, unemployed people that let off be lives 'cause you
would have to have a lot of free time to find these things out.
And I mean, think about it. Look at guys like yourself.
Look at guys like Pete, look at guys like Dee.
Look at the amount of hours you men put in to to find this stuff
out. And then to get it out there.
Look at the hours out of the day you have to put in to find that
even in the information age or the post information age, it's,
I mean, it's a lot of work even today.
So now multiply that by what, 1520, fifty, 20 years ago, 30
years ago, 40 years ago, 50 years ago.
So that's I think that's. I think the only advantage
people might have had 4050, whatever years ago.
Yes, they had the disadvantage of not having easy access to
information, but that means that the information that they could
get their hands on was probably pretty unfiltered and much more
almost verifiably true on which conspiracy circle you're in.
Whereas now the, the struggle is, it's not, it's not, it's not
a lack of information. It's almost too much information
where you have to constantly be ciphering through narratives and
BS and all the rest of it to try to get to the actual data itself
and then start to figure out how it links up to everything else
that I think it becomes the the the bigger struggle.
Yeah, you're, you're, you're fine.
You want to need to find the needle in the pile of needles,
right? That that makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, I I can understand that. But I again, this is me being my
guess. This is me trying to white pill
again. I would just kind of.
It's a good problem to have. Don't get me wrong, it's a good
problem to have, but it's still, it's, it's still, to your point,
it, it, it does still require like, you know, 40-50 hours of
just, of surfing the, the seas of, of, of, of narrative Pooh to
get to anything remotely coherent or, or usable.
So. Yeah, oh, of course.
And, and that's why I wasn't, you know, I wasn't saying it was
an easy job. That's why I even said like,
yeah, you guys are still putting in a ton of work.
Absolutely. But I, I think it's just the
human condition at the end of the day.
And not to wax too philosophical, but I think it
really is just the human condition at the end of the day
that we just trade one problem for another, you know?
OK, Well, they, they may have had it easier in some ways and
harder in others. But now that it's your turn to
carry the torch, you, they, it's just been, you know, inverted,
if you will, or flipped or switched around or shuffled.
OK, Now you have it easier in some ways and harder in others.
That's just the inverse of what he had, so to speak, the guy
before you. I I just think that's part of
the human condition. Maybe that's me being a bit pat
or flippin, I don't know. Forgive me if if it comes across
that way. I don't mean to be that way.
I'm just, I just really do believe at this point in my life
it's we all get across. It just matters.
You know what the type of wood is, that's all.
But we all end up with a cross at the end of the day.
Let's walk. Let's walk you back a little
bit, two more times in government.
So you started off. It's now known as Homeland
Security. What was it known when you were
the agency was called you? United States Immigration and
Naturalization Service, USINS. Which brings us to the other big
topic that's hitting the the West in general, which is the
immigration crisis or refugee crisis or whatever.
Whatever the term you want to use, Where did you?
OK, so you're there, I would say in maybe the early days of this
plan to essentially let in infinite immigrants, not the
saying that immigration policy in the West had not been
corrupted for a good long time, longer than you either.
You and I have been around and we're both becoming old hats
here. But especially, I know I'm from
Canada. This situation's been going on
for over 120 years in Canada, but the obviously in the last,
let's say 20 or 30 years, it's magnified and seems to have
taken on a life of its own. From your perspective of your
time in the Immigration Services, did you?
Were you there when you started to see this switch happened, or
when did you become aware that things had gone dark?
I would have to say from the very beginning I went in to the
service in 1998 is when I started.
I was, I was 26 when I went in and I would have to say I
noticed it from the get go. As a matter of fact, I, I went
in and I don't even think I was there a year.
And I said America is not a country.
It's a strip mall. Nobody comes to America to be
American anymore. That that died probably with my
grandfather in 1927 or something.
My grandfather died in the 90s. But I, I mean, I mean, with my
grandfather's arrival in the United States, it probably died.
I noticed that America had become a strip mall.
Everybody was coming here to get something, to buy something, to
earn something as far as money, I mean, goes, you know, get, get
their share, get what they want and then go home, their real
home. Nobody was coming here because
they wanted to. And I was a badge and gun at the
time. It was called immigration
inspector. That was Border Patrol, but for
airports. And that's where I was.
And I had noticed that pretty much from the get go, I would
also get calls from local Police Department saying, hey, we've
pulled over some illegals, can you come get them?
And I'm like, hell yeah, I'll come get them.
Just let me write down where you are.
And my supervisors are always telling me, no, you can't do
that. Nope.
Just hang up.
What, you don't even want me to refer them to field agents or
anything? Nope.
Just hang up. Oh, OK.
But I, I, I thought this was our job.
It's not your job. You just worry about this post.
OK, All right. Well, I, I guess we'll keep
doing this. And it, it just became
incredibly frustrating. So then I ended up moving on
into citizenship and marriage fraud investigation, which who,
boy, did that end up being an even worse decision.
Just watching, just watching and give my country away at every
minute, just watching just how LAX all of these rules had
become, watching how even the the rules that we did have just
weren't enforced. And we're just I, I hesitate to
even say I can't say they were ignored.
I've never actually witnessed anybody ignoring the law, but I
will say that they they effectively just defanged it.
Don't bother prosecuting anybody, just give them another
chance, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
So that effectively they ignored it.
Did they literally ignore it? No, but it, it was, had been
defanged and that was my whole career there.
That's why and I won't try and I try not to go too far down this
particular rabbit hole, but that's why I had a recent spiral
of despair myself because I finally see it being taken
seriously and people actually at least pretending to want to deal
with it and, and do something about it.
And I was like, where was this 30 years ago when I signed up?
Or, you know, 25 years ago when I signed up, where was this?
I'd, I'd love to get back in and do that because I, I ended up
getting drummed out in 2005, 2006.
It's a little complicated on how that how we determine that exact
time. But because of it, because I
kept saying, no, I'm not going to do this.
I'm not going to let this slide. I'm not just going to keep
rubber stamping this and choking back the bile.
That used to be a a phrase that they would use.
It's just choke back the bile and stamp it.
Meaning doesn't matter. Just collect your paycheck.
Shut up. Doesn't matter if it's sickens.
You just do it. You know, don't don't jeopardize
your career. Wow.
That's amazing because that means that that means that
everyone's aware of it. It's one thing because I think
what the narrative many people begin to adopt, and maybe this
is more true in the last 10 years than it was 20 or 30 years
ago, but I think everyone thinks that these institutions are
ideologically captured. And from what you've said and
from what I've heard other people say, the ideologic, the
ideologues in any of these institutions really are very few
in number. It's mostly most people are just
taking their job. They, they become isolated.
They realize that, hey, there's no fighting this.
You know, if, if you do fight this, you get drummed out, you
fight it too hard to get drummed out.
You fight a little bit, you just get whacked and sent down the
ladder for a little bit and put in, put in the sin bin until you
learn your lesson. And then and then.
So most people just start to turn the blind eye and.
Go to go to work and do the thing and go home and enjoy a
more dwindling system. And then at least be comforted
in the fact that, hey, that's not my division.
Yeah, I, I, I'd say you nailed it exactly.
And I, I would stand by that observation myself.
You're going to find ideologues are actually few and far
between. It is mostly people that just go
along to get along. I mean, the Milgram experiment
showed us this, for crying out loud.
COVID showed us this. Most people just don't want the
trouble. Just forget it, just stamp it.
Just let me collect my check, let me collect my benefits.
And I'm just not one of those guys.
I've never, I never have been. Now I'm going to try and be fair
to other people and I did not I, I still don't.
But at the time I did not have a wife.
I did not have children. So obviously it was a lot easier
for me to sit to, to, to say no to her, to fight back.
I would argue that it still wasn't as easy as most people
would think because my life was misery for a good 1520 years and
I still haven't recovered fully, you know, from the ramifications
of my dismissal being drummed out.
But I will say I will try and be fair to other people and that it
still is somewhat easier for me than somebody who has to say,
well, you know, my kids have to eat, my kid has to go to school,
my kid has to have braces, etcetera, etcetera.
And that's fair, that's fair. But I would say that, as you
say, it's, it's really not so much ideologues, it's just most
people turning a blind eye. And I, I believe I thought it
was Da Vinci that said it, but I'm not going to get the quote
exactly correct. I think it's originally Da
Vinci, but it was, it was something like he who does not
fight evil commands it to be done.
And really that's the big problem.
It isn't that, it isn't that people are listening to the
devil necessarily, it's that they're just standing by letting
him do what he wants. And that's that's the issue.
Yeah, I know the it's, it does get trickier when you have kids,
obviously. But one of the things I've
really been realizing over the last, let's say, a year or two
is that on one hand you say, look, I have to be here to
protect my child, to get her braces on, etcetera.
On the other hand, you also have to say I have to look at my
child. Thank you.
Yes. And I have to look at myself and
the way that I carry myself and the way that I present myself is
more important than all the material things.
And that's a hard one because I think we get it in our heads
that I can deal with this. And maybe on some level you can.
But it's eating you. It's eating away at the fiber of
your being because you put something ahead of yourself.
And you might think it's noble, you justify it, but really what
you're putting ahead of yourself are all these things.
The job, the money, the career, the standing, the status.
That's the desire and you've justified it with your kid.
It's. Even worse.
Yeah, very well said. Yeah.
And I, I, I've said this often, I believe I've said it publicly,
but if not, let let's make this the 1st place.
As much as I I lament and I am the fact that I am unmarried and
I have no children. I, I have to kind of think that
least during COVID, it was a bit of a blessing because I will
tell you and I can say this and I know, I know a man shouldn't
say this if he really doesn't, if he doesn't have his his boots
on the ground, if he doesn't, you know, if he really doesn't
have those circumstances. But I am, I know myself, I've
been through a lot and I do know who I am at the core.
And I can honestly say that I think I was spared had not by
not having those things during COVID, because I'm pretty sure
I'd be in jail. One, because I wouldn't let
anybody do certain things to my kid.
Like, no, you're not going to do this.
You're not going to put him in a mask.
You're not going to do this. And two, the reason I would do
those things because of the reasons you just articulated.
Yes, they need the comforts. But to me, you know, if I had a
son, how, how can I, how can I teach him to be a man if I'm not
being one? I just, I just couldn't do it.
Or how could I expect my daughter to find a worthwhile
man and a father for her children if I don't exemplify
the man I want to see her with? You know, and I don't mean that
in a narcissist, narcissistic sense.
Obviously I want her to find somebody that would be
compatible with her. But I'm saying that a man that
has character, man that's honorable, a man that
understands that he does have to sacrifice certain things in
order for the world and in order to, to be one with himself, to
be, to be right with the world and right with God.
So that being said, I your words resound powerfully with me
because they are pretty much exactly on the same page as as
as I am. I would have to say exactly on
the same page. It's a tough one.
It's those are that's probably the most bitter white pill
possible. You would think we say things
like I want my daughter to find a better man than than even I am
right, but or do you want your child to be better than you?
But you have to set the bar high, and you're not just
setting the bar the bar high for yourself, but you're setting it
higher for them because doing better than than a slimeball.
Is pretty easy. Yeah, exactly right, Yeah.
We all recognize that, right? We can all agree on that one.
So, OK, so we say the lowest bar is don't, don't be a don't be a
slimeball. OK, well, what what's, where's
the upper levels on this? And you can of course, set a bar
too high because you're being false and you're hiding your
faults, but which is also bad. But you should at least be
aiming towards the highest of the high.
This is, you know, this is especially for the Christians
listening to this. It's harder to be Christian than
you think, yes. Yes, Yeah.
Well, like Machiavelli wrote and not, not not saying that that's
necessarily Christian, but like Machiavelli wrote, life should
be like archery. You should always, you should
always aim higher than your target because that's the arc of
the arrow. We'll drop it back down.
And I think that's the way I think people should be.
Aim higher. Yes, you're going to fail, but
So what you know, you might actually succeed.
And if you fail trying to reach a greater height, well, then
you're still going to be over that slimeball bar that you
mentioned earlier. You know, you're still, you're
still going to, you're still going to Crest that particular
hill. So, yeah, I I think you should.
And as you, you also point out a very reasonable fear as well,
very reasonable concern with the whole, OK, well, you don't want
to aim too high. You don't want to be completely
unrealistic or false. No, that's absolutely true.
That's the opposite of crazy is still crazy basically, but I
mean you should be aiming a little higher than your target
because when you fall short, and you probably will, you still
hitting the solid mark. Here's here.
OK, let's get to the $1,000,000 question.
The hardest one always why? Why do you think the immigration
system and the institutions in America will concentrate there
have become the way they became? Because obviously, even if we
want to trace it back to the great generation who put these
things in motion, you know, I always say if you want to find a
scapegoat, you got to go further back.
But regardless of who's at fault or who started it, why do you
think over the last 20-30 years, the system kind of became what
it what it turned out to be? Is it simply just corruption or
was there more of a motivating factor or what are your thoughts
on that? That's an excellent question.
And you, you, you're right to call it the $1,000,000 question.
I guess I've always been too much of a man in the trench.
I was World War One is my, my, my go to.
I've always just been kind of the guy in the trench, the
officer in the trench with his pistol and his whistle.
I I really didn't. I really never thought too much
about why. I mean, not to say that it's not
a worthy consideration. It is, but I'm just I'm the guy
in the trench. I'm worried about the bullets
that are flying over me. I'm worried about the men under
my care. But the whys didn't really
didn't really occur to me. But since you ask, I have a
great respect for you. I will do the best I can at
answering you with with what I have.
And I would have to say that a lot of this was back when it was
initially set up, wanting to get a compliant pop populace and
wanting to get nice little worker bees and to have their
nice little orderly brave new world.
And who by who's ever definition you want to use, that's that,
that's up to you. But I think it was mostly to
just try and get a largely compliant populace and then they
would thin the herd out with their eugenics or what have you.
And then they'd make their money and they wouldn't have to
anybody to come up and knock them off the throw.
Because remember, you don't want the first thing you do when you
get to that level is you. You pull up the ladder, you
change the rules so nobody else can follow you.
And that's the first thing they did.
And then they just try and make everybody slower, weaker,
Dumber, et cetera, so that they don't have the challenge to
their authority. And I'm going to say very
clearly, I don't even know that it's necessarily, I'm sure
that's part of it, but I don't even know that it's necessarily
to keep power as it is just so much to not be challenged.
I just don't want the headache. Maybe I maybe they can, maybe I
can crush my enemies with a thought, but I don't feel like
sparing that thought. So I'm just going to make sure
that they don't show up. Remember, as Zunzu wrote, to win
without fighting is best. So if you can make everybody a
dope, forgive me for saying this bluntly, but if you can make
everybody a dope smoking retard, then I mean, you don't have to
worry about somebody outclassing you.
It's that simple. So I really think a lot of it
was just to maintain the power base that they had.
It may be to increase it, but I would suspect largely just
maintain it and then just keep everybody below them docile,
easily controlled, nice and compliant, so that they could
just continue on trucking with what they did.
But the problem is you need those people to keep your
society running, to build your machines, as Dee likes to say,
to keep your planes in the air, you need them.
So that's why a lot of the stuff is now falling apart because
we've been running on fumes, moving with inertia for probably
as long as we've been alive, Jason, probably I, I, I, I think
a lot of this fell apart long before we even realize.
As a matter of fact, I have a blog post from, gosh, it's got
to be 2012, 2013 at the oldest, where I talk about how you don't
understand everything's already collapsed.
You just, you just don't realize it.
And the example I used is those long domino.
Exhibits, if you understand the ones I'm referencing, where
these guys will set up these huge domino exhibits where they
tip 1 down and it just goes in circles and spirals and up and
down ramps and all over the place.
And I just say we it's already collapsed.
It's just so happens that you're standing between two dominoes
that have yet to fall. Meanwhile, all the others have
already collapsed. Yeah, One thing I said in last
year with Matthew Erickson was building this idea of
civilizational capital and my proclamation was you don't live
in a civilization anymore. We've lost the binding regio
that holds that civilization together, which I defined as
ruler, region and religion. As those 3 categories
deteriorate, the binding glue that holds the civilization
together. If we think of three major areas
that generate civilizational capital, being the social, the
economic, and the government, those those systems begin to
cannibalize each other because they still want to generate
capital, which I would say is the byproduct of human
competency. Whatever humans do competently,
they produce capital over time. And that capital, which is not
necessarily material, like it's not always like money can be
material. Those things have to be
reinvested back into the civilization.
This is why great civilizations build irrational things like
beautiful banks. There's no rational reason to
make a bank beautiful. It's romantic, which will get us
into something else you've said that I want to get into and
explore a bit. But that romanticism, that
masculine romanticism is necessary to, to almost
demonstrate to the people that investment of human capital.
It makes people want to flourish.
It makes people want to think bigger things and do bigger
things and show it off and make the civilization itself more
powerful, more grand, more adventurous, etcetera.
Yeah, it, it raises the bar. I'm sorry, I don't mean to cut
you off, but to kind of go back to what you were saying earlier.
It raises the bar. It gives us something greater to
shoot for that even if we fall short, we still, we still create
something noble, something worthwhile.
And that in turn fuels people to constantly want to continue.
It's a moralizing factor rather than a demoralizing factor.
It's an encouragement rather than a discouragement.
And I think I think it's an excellent observation.
And to to say to jump onto another point you raised very,
very wisely, another point you raised very wisely is, is the
whole capital. Human capital doesn't have to
necessarily be technological advancement, doesn't necessarily
have to be gold mining, diamond mining, etcetera.
I would argue personally, the greatest human capital ever
created is a high trust society. Because with a high trust
society, you can have space travel, you can go under the
under the seas, you can feed the world like with a high trust
society, you can the sky is the limit.
Now, of course, the danger with that is hubris.
But right now I'm just staying on the subject of human capital.
And I would argue that once you get that most precious commodity
of all, a high trust society, you can do anything because now
you have the minds, the backs, the, the arms, the legs of the
stiff necks of, of literally millions.
And that they they can all work together and they can all see
things. This is why I love talking to
Charles, because now you got my brain cooking.
Yeah. No, it's a brilliant observation
because one of the challenges when we're developing these
technologies is the lack of a high trust society.
Without it, none of the technologies we're developing
can be guaranteed to not be used by the bad people.
So let's take something controversial, slightly
controversial or or certain within certain spheres.
You take something like digital ID.
An. ID system that allow you to use
the Internet and all the rest of it.
You can code that as good and maybe good.
People are designing it for good reasons.
We have AI, we have all these other ways of, of making fakes
and all these other things making politicians look like
they said the wrong fake things and that could lead to nuclear
wars and who knows, right? So because you have a low trust
society, suddenly you have to respond, you have to react to
that low trust society by creating more and more security
measures. As you create more and more
security measures. Even if those security measures
are made by good people, there's no guarantee because you live in
a low trust society that bad people won't get their hands on
the levers of those security measures and turn them against
the populace in general. So a digital ID today, which is
only used against the bad people and we can all go, yes, I agree,
that's a good measure to use against the bad people.
As I've said with immigration, it's like, OK, you kick all
these people out now, how do you make sure they don't come back
in again? And lo and behold, there seems
to be a whole bunch of solutions to that problem, which would one
would be some sort of digital ID or biometrics or chips in the
hand, etcetera, etcetera. And again, if it's used against
the bad people, there's no filter, there's no brakes,
there's no reason to not celebrate that.
However, if bad people get into those systems and can use those
same systems against all the good people, we're right back to
where we started. And in fact, we just built a
better mousetrap for ourselves. So to Bill, go back to what you
said, which is great, The missing component here is a high
trust society and how you have to produce that first before you
produce anything else. That in actual fact, the
response to all the evils in the, in the ills of this world
that we've seen and the consequences of the last, let's
say 60 years at least, is not necessarily to react to them
directly. We can do that too.
But the secondary or let's say meta reaction has to be how do
we rebuild a high trust society so that is lasting and true.
The good, the beautiful true has to be substantiated.
Without it, all other reactions are just you're just creating
more problems for if not you then your kids or your
grandkids. I think ultimately we'd be all
for naughty regardless. I mean, at that point would be
all for naughty if if there's not a high trust society, not as
you say, not only will could they be turned against us if you
don't have the the high trust society, as as you rightly point
out, but I would also say that who's to say it's even going to
last? And just to step back briefly
here, there's a great quote. Again, I'm not going to get it
exactly correct, but it's, it was a famous Roman thinker said
you can tell how corrupt a society is by how many laws it
has. The more laws it has, the more
corrupt it is. And that's what I, I, I would
say exactly to this conversation.
It's very pertinent. It's like, well, you can tell
that we're we're in a low trust society because we have more
laws than ever, because laws are the only way to make people
behave. Well, even they don't really
make people behave, but that's the best way that they can, they
can try it. Whereas you don't need that many
laws. If you have a high trust
society. I mean, think about maybe some
of the areas where you grew up when you were younger.
I believe you grew up in Canada, you know, or you know, just some
of the neighborhoods listeners grew up in.
You didn't need a lot of this stuff.
You can leave your door unlocked.
Why? Because there's a high trust
society. You know, you weren't, you just,
you weren't going to do things like that and your neighbors
weren't going to do things. Our security system back then
was that we lived in a blue collar, all European, 1st and
2nd generation European neighborhood, a lot of
Portuguese, Italians, Pollocks, slobs, whatever.
And I remember as a kid riding my bike up and down the back
laneway. And there was always some, you
know, retired man in his, let's say late 60s, maybe early 70s in
the summer, usually with a, with a tank, a tank top on, drinking,
drinking some sort of dark liquid out of a, out of a, out
of a, out of a glass and, and just sitting and watching,
right. Yeah.
And I guarantee if there was a problem, he would have said
something. He would have sent up the alarm,
said something, said something. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Right, right.
You're lucky if you if he just said something.
Fair, fair, fair. But yeah, I I would say you.
Know you had to learn how to duck when I was a kid became
very sensitive swishing sounds. I love it, I love it. 80s radar.
Oh man, I want to remember. That became very sensitive to
swishing sound. I love that, Jason.
I got to hold on to that one. So here's here's another part of
brilliance that you said, and I've been onboarding people
quite often with it and it keeps blowing their minds because it's
so damn good. You said that the masculine
spirit is inherently romantic, while the feminine is inherently
pragmatic and like a bullet to the brain.
There, there, Charles, the so we've been coming through this,
this long house. Some people say I call the
devouring mother this period of 60 years of, of let's say
feminization and this hyper and we've seen the results, which is
hyper pragmatic. We can see it in architecture.
You know, we see I don't live far from a industrial area and
all the, all the buildings are Gray slabs of concrete.
And it's pragmatically makes sense.
It's it's the it's cheap, It's easy to, it's easier to
construct. It's easy to put up.
Look, it's a warehouse. Why?
Why does that have to be pretty? All those other things?
And I think people would initially kick back a little bit
the idea because they think when, well, women love romance,
it's like, yeah, they love it because they can't produce it.
Well said. Very.
Well, they they're stuck in that pragmatic mindset where women
like to be stripped off their feet and not have to think about
how much things cost the thing. This is why they're attracted to
very, very wealthy men because they can kind of put that
pragmatic sense of their brain to sleep a little bit going he
can afford, it's fine. I would say that's exactly it.
Yes, that's exactly it. But continue, please.
So, so, and of course, this is infected everything and
everywhere. And to bring him back to these
bureaus now that we've had 60 years of, of feminized,
feminized, pragmatic bureaus, pragmatic to a suicidal fault
because it's serving something. And we can speculate The Who and
what it's serving. But ultimately, as we're moving
now into this more masculine age, it's going to be youthful.
I've called it the vengeful sun. But I also think there's a room
for the prodigal son to be emergent.
Regardless, It's going to be a re injection of the masculine.
We're starting to see this slowly in AI and and many other
categories. What, what would you think?
What's your general prognosis O dispenser of white pills?
Because as we're moving, as we're moving into this more
masculine age, we're going to see a rise in romanticism.
And I think that's, I think that's good.
I'm very hopeful about it. But I also think we need to be
extremely careful because we've been, most of us have not even
touched on the romantic age. We've read about it, we've maybe
seen our grandfathers or older generations be the products of
various forms of it, but we ourselves have never experienced
it. And I think that first heady
rush, especially for the younger men, listen to this, is going to
be very intoxicating. And the, as it, as my
grandfather said, if you don't know what to do, do as little as
possible. And I think a lot of people will
start getting these ideas that they know exactly what to do.
And I'm looking at from the sidelines going, you don't know
shit, kid. Like, and I can, I can say that
in the mirror myself, Like, I don't know what am I talking
about. So, so yeah, let's let's go from
there. What's your general short term,
midterm, long term prognosis on on this new romantic age that
we're starting to see dawn in front of us?
OK, wow, this is. I I, I say the I say the easy
ones for the last. Yeah, they just get
progressively more difficult. Thank goodness I don't drink
during these because I I mean, you know, holy Hannah, you
should start. Yeah, I think I might.
I think I might actually, but that'll just get me even more
verbose than I already have. But let's let me just try and
wrestle with we said OK, so let's let's go with short term,
mid term and long term prognosis on the dawning of the new
romantic age. I, I think short term, let me
try and parse my thoughts as best I can because this is this
is another one that I, I blindsided me with.
I haven't even put a single thought to it.
I'd have to say I short term, yes, I think you're correct in
that that it's going to be intoxicating.
They're going to come, They're going to be dangers that come
along with it. However, I am also going to be
that guy to say, you know what, it's your first sip of beer,
enjoy it. You know what I mean?
Have at it. It's the first time you get a
little tipsy. Have at it, enjoy it.
Now, again, I'm not condoning drunkenness, dissolution,
becoming a waste stroll. Lord knows I've had my wrestles
with the bottle. But what I am saying is there's
nothing wrong. Then maybe this is the mad in
me. You talked about the Portuguese.
That's definitely in my blood. And maybe this is the mad in me.
But there's nothing wrong with having a nice glass of wine, you
know, talking to friends and looking at pretty girls.
There's nothing wrong with that. So I would say in the short
term, I, I, I think they should go for it and they should enjoy
it. However, always keep in mind
that like, know when to say stop if you can.
And as you say, you know, they don't know shit.
We don't know shit. But I think in the short term, I
think it's going to work out fairly well.
I think ironically enough, I think the short and long terms
are going to be the most positive.
I think it's the midterm that's going to be really rough because
I think what's going to happen in the midterm is they're going
to have that initial success. They're going to have that that
honeymoon period. And then they're going to
realize that life takes a a hell of a lot of work and that it's
great to be romantic. But as much as I am fond of
criticizing, and I do mean that word in the strictest
definition, not necessarily as a demeaning thing, as an attack,
but as the actual word itself, a criticism.
As much as I I find myself frequently criticizing women in
the feminine spirit, I have never once denied that they are.
They are part of the great dance that makes life worth living,
that they are part and of everything and they are
necessary. Do I think they have gone out of
bounds? Do I think the Yang has outdone
the yin and caused an imbalance and started turning everything
tipsy? Sarah Turvy?
Yes. But does that mean it needs to
be crushed and eliminated? No, absolutely not.
The opposite of crazy is still crazy.
So to bring it back to where I started, I think the short term
is going to be good. I think you're going to see a
lot of growth. Simply wasn't possible because
as you say, the smothering mother, I think you're going to
start seeing things, innovations start happening again.
I think you're going to start seeing a lot of young men just
start taking the bull by the horns.
Because one of the things that I find both both encouraging and
also, frankly, if I'm being honest, a little upsetting,
it's, it's both, it's bittersweet is the whole it's a
new age. You can just do things.
And it's like, guys, you could always just do things.
I've been screaming that since I was 13.
You could always just do things. It's the fact that people listen
to the Long House and they didn't bother is what got them
into trouble. But I digress.
I don't want to go down the road.
No, but hang on, let's just pause there for a second because
I think that's that's really important because we've been
living in this age of feminization and it started
really at the end of the 50s and beginning of the 60s and it
started subversively working its way through as a reaction to the
Trinical Father. This is, you know, not excusing
the generation or the age that came before it.
We can talk, we can call them the Great Generation for their
sacrifices, but they also lived through three really disturbing
periods of time, 2 World wars and a Great Depression, just a
name, name 3 those men. And I knew those men.
I knew those men when they were older.
So they had mellowed a bit, but a lot of those men were very
broken and it the boomers didn't come from any, didn't come from
nothing. And our fathers were in some
ways modeling and reacting to their fathers.
So, you know, broken, broken models broken.
So I'm not laughing at a time. Yeah, go ahead.
No, but it's it's it's laughable only because what else you're
going to do is you either laugh or cry at.
This one, right? Yeah.
It's exactly. It's a Zen laugh.
It's it's so bitter.
True. You just have to please
continue. I don't want to cut you off.
My apology. Well, because I think it's all
part and parcel to that. You can just do any, you can
just do things because because our, our, let's say our
grandfathers were broken. They modeled broken behavior to
our fathers and those our fathers modeled broken behavior
to us. When I hear younger men start to
talk about masculinity in these ways, you can start to see the
broken, the the broken telephone effect because I see them saying
things and reacting to things in a way that I'm like, OK, yeah.
But wait, you're, you're taking this.
I can, I understand what you're saying, but you're, you're
taking this in a, in a negative direction when you have every
opportunity to not do that. So but they're, they're also
reacting to this, to the 60 years of over feminization, to
the point and back to your point, you could always have
just done these things, but we were behind our mother's apron
and not just our mother, but this feminine spirit.
So we felt like we had to ask permission that or else we get
our hands slapped. And that just grew into a
psychosis that that penetrated the entire generations.
And we're still modeling that to the to the to the future
generations. So that the hard part now is to
isolate exactly, not just where we went wrong as a general
sense, but where you're going wrong in a personal sense.
And to isolate that down and to go, OK, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait. Right before I start to mouth
off and make and make proclamations about anything.
Where am I weak? Where am I affected by all this
stuff? Because I think that I'm just
cuz I can see it that I'm not directly affected by it is crazy
and and dangerously wrong. Yes, yes, absolutely correct.
I think it's interesting all these points you raised, because
that was very much my arc when I lost my career, I started
drinking and I had I had a decade long night of the soul
about extended suicide attempt. I've called it, called it in
that on Twitter and in my books. So I, I, your, your words ring
very powerfully in my ears, and that's what told.
You, what spirit told you you had to have this career?
Who set that desire for you? That's not a romantic desire.
That's a pragmatic desire. Go get a good job.
Make sure you, you know, make sure you, you button it down,
all that stuff. This advice could even have come
from your father, but I feel like there's a feminine aspect
to that advice. Ironically enough, ironically
enough, it was a romantic dream I wanted to give back.
I, I think what I think. I'm not going to discount what
you're saying, Jason, because I think, sorry, I made that.
Personal information probably made that more meta, but.
No, no, no, no, no. And I'm glad you did.
No, I'm glad you did. I'm glad you did what you did
because I think you're, I think you're correct, but for the
wrong reason. And by which I mean my dream was
always, I've always been a romantic.
I mean, for crying out loud, just look at my Hoover like
it's, it's incredibly romantic and all that.
And I mean that capital R necessarily.
But I would say that you are correct in the sense of the
reason I chose that particular path rather than other things.
I considered joining the French Foreign Legion because that was
the most female friendly way to be romantic to be again, capital
R romantic in the the literary sense, you know, the heroes
fighting the Dragons, saving the maidens, that sort of things.
I that was the most feminine approved way that I could do it.
And it still wasn't very approved.
Women in my family, my mother and my grandmother, God rest
both their souls. But no, they still didn't like
it because it was still dangerous.
It was still a very mask. They wouldn't say this, of
course. I'm sure they weren't even
conscious of it, but it was still a very masculine
profession. But at least I could soothe them
by saying, oh, but it's a good job, it's secure, I make good
money. So then they were able to, to
kind of dial it back a bit. So again, I, I'm very glad you,
you made it about me for a moment because that made me kind
of think about, hey, is he right here?
And I, I think, I think he is right, just in at, at the wrong
aspect. So I, I think there is some
truth to what you say because I don't exonerate myself.
As I said earlier in the program, no man has exempt his
zeitgeist. I too was a victim of the apron
strings. I too was tied like a marionette
to the apron strings, but I tried to cut them the best I
could and I would say even then I was not very successful.
And I don't think it's a coincidence that I've spent
pretty much 20 some years. My first blog started in 2004
and I closed shop when COVID started to my second one in
2020. So what's that?
16 years of writing was all just trying to get men to understand
how hurt they are, how broken they are.
And not, not in a bad way, not to belittle them, but to say,
hey, take a good long look at yourself and don't worry about
girls, worry about fixing yourself.
And every time I would criticize women, I would say you'd also
have to look and see that they're broken too.
They they, they also come from a broken background.
So you just have to fix yourself and then worry about other
things. Yeah, as.
The only fans phenomena didn't happen by itself.
And we can point obviously fingers at the people who have
popularized these things and made their money and etcetera
off these things and they of course they are at fault.
But the motivation to even do such a thing has to come from
something. And again, if you you you when
porn becomes pragmatic. Yeah, well, I mean, that's
exactly what it is. You're exactly right.
Because why work? Why work at McDonald's for
$12.00 an hour or whatever they're paying?
I, I, I don't know why? Why work at Walmart for 15?
Why, when you can just masturbate on camera and you'll
make, you know, 3000 a week? I, I don't know, I, I don't
never used only fans. I don't pay for it, but I bet
I've heard stories that that's what they make.
So it's like, why would you? That's not a pragmatic way of
looking at things. I mean, a lot of guys would do
it if they could get paid that like that.
Why would they want to work at Jiffy Lube?
Why would they want to be a plumber or, you know, wade in in
human waste and fixing septic tanks if they could just perform
certain acts on camber and make 3 grand a week?
I it's just pragmatic. And that's, I think you're
exactly right that that's exactly what drew them to it.
And one of the things I say, one of my favorite posts to actually
find me be so bold as to put it out there is to say both men and
males and females over the last I I would say 50 years, but
definitely over the last 30 are malnourished.
They're just malnourished in a different way.
Men were starved and women were fed snacks.
You know, men got scraps from the table, and now they're thin,
emaciated, weak. Women have been fed cookies,
candy, ice cream, soda for 30 years.
And now they're morbidly obese, diabetic.
And I mean this actually metaphorically, not even
literally. I mean it as we've told them
their sweetness and their light and their wonderful, but now
they're malnourished, Now they're unhealthy because they
don't understand that they do have weaknesses.
They do have flaws. Am I saying that that makes them
evil? No, of course not.
I'm saying it makes them human. And now that's why they're all
on antidepressants, because they see that they have flaws, but
everything else in the world has told them that they're flawless.
So now each and every one of them thinks they're unique by
having human flaws. So now they're all on fistfuls
of pills to stay sane. This is why is, you know,
especially in the West, because it is a Christian nation.
The whole West has been built upon by Christianity.
And you have two models present in Christianity, of course,
Jesus Christ, but his mother Mary or the Theotochus.
And I think people have been really sleeping on it.
And I think women, you know, women who I've talked to who get
introduced to Orthodoxy are quite amazed by the veneration
we give to the Theotokos to, to Mary, because the Mary, Mary is
supposed to be a model to the women.
And in that model, of course, she's, she's with, she's
without, she's as without sin as possible.
She is sort of the perfected female form, right?
The the one who please God the most.
But in that model is her sacrifice that she knew exactly.
But when her son was born and who her son was, what was going
to be required of him? And she had to stand by and let
that happen. And the knowledge of that
coupled with her grace is why she's such an important model
for women. It's not just a, it's, it's that
holding yourself up to a much more higher standard and is,
let's say, perfectly pragmatic because you have to let your son
be tortured and sacrificed for the good of all humanity, for
all for all time. I can't think of anything more
pragmatic than that. But it takes the greatest
sacrifice. And you know, I, I think not
enough attention is given that in our society, because of
course we've moved away from all those things foolishly.
I think we're moving towards that at at a.
Almost alarming the pace, yeah. And I would also point out,
since this is another thing that I've discussed many times and,
and forgive me if this I, I, I hope this doesn't come out as
blasphemous because it certainly is not meant that I, I mean it
with the absolute utmost, greatest respect.
But as as a, as a Roman Catholic myself, a very lapsed one, but
I'm as a deeply religious person, at least at heart, if
not in practice. I would also point out that one
of the other tremendous things about, about the Blessed Mother
is it's an exemplification and about as redeeming as as
possible of the curse of Eve. You know, what was Eve's curse
that she disobeyed God. And what was the Blessed
Mother's greatest, you know, greatest thing was that she
obeyed him. As difficult as it was, as, as,
as, as hard it was going to be for a mother to watch her only,
you know, her child die, you know, be tortured and die.
Like that's, that's the ultimate, you know, obeying of
God. Like how imagine asking a mother
to do that. That's, that's just, you can't,
it's hard to even fathom. I wouldn't even try because I
wouldn't know what that's like. But I mean, to me that's I, I
think that's even more of a demonstration of her grace and
her importance. Just that, overcoming the curse
of Eve, not only not disobeying God, but obeying him and
probably the hardest thing any sane woman could ever do in her
existence. Let's bring this back to bureaus
for a second before we say goodbye to you, Charles.
I'll try to make this a bit easier because I'm sure you've
thought about this before. I'm giving you the magic wand,
Charles. You're able to go back into into
these bureaus and do do with them as you will.
What would what would the changes that's Charles Badillo
would make to Homeland Security FBICI All of them are pick pick
your pick your one if you want. What would you do to improve on
on the the health and welfare of these bureaus?
OK, I'm going to try and answer as concisely as I can, but I'm
going to try and answer as thoroughly as I can.
Was at least right that you had thought about this, at least.
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. You, you are 100% right on that
one, Jason, you're batting really, really well tonight.
I'm going to give you that. First off, I would say, and this
should probably come as no surprise to your listeners or
anybody that's been paying a great deal of attention to this
broadcast, I would, First off, I'd get rid of a whole bunch of
people. But that's a Gimme that that,
that's just a Gimme. Am I get rid of?
I mean, I would and I'll try watch what I say very, very
carefully. I would prosecute to the full
extent of the law everybody that I could.
And I would replace them with Romantics Capital R.
Now is the time to get ideologues back in, because it's
going to be a slog. It's going to be work.
And also, I want Idealogs because I want them to use the
rules that exist. And I've mentioned this on
Thoughtcrime Syndicate, and I'm gonna mention it again here.
I cannot, out of respect, use the man's name.
But I know an attorney in Texas, a good friend of mine, we've
known each other for for almost a decade now.
And he has said something that has just rung in my head for as
long as I've known him and has resounded within me and my
experiences. And he said it's much easier to
turn things around than you think because all of the laws
already exist. It just takes somebody with the
will to enforce them. And Jason, I am a very flawed
man. I will never say otherwise.
I am not smartest man on the planet, not the wisest man on
the planet, but I am a very, in all senses, sadly, good and bad.
I'm a very willful man. So I would happily replace with
romantics. And then I would say we are
going to use the laws that are already on the books.
We don't need to create another law at all.
I don't need to stroke a pen even in the slightest.
And we are going to use everything that exists already
to its fullest extent. And I am a firm believer in the
Pareto principle, the 8020 rule. And I would, I would be willing
to bet you, Jason, I bet you a kidney, my own kidney, in fact,
not not even somebody else's. I would bet you my own kidney
that I could turn most of the problems in America around in
two years, in two years. And I'll give you a brief
example of why I say that. When I was going to get my
private investigator license in Oklahoma, it came to my
attention that by Oklahoma State law, you are allowed, you, being
the average citizen, are allowed to disperse a riot with a
shotgun. You are legally permitted to
disperse a riot by shooting a shotgun into the riot.
What did the instructor say? Now, don't get any ideas.
OK, So what you're telling me is you don't want me to use the law
for the benefit of law abiding citizens.
And to me that is the biggest cancer in government, in
bureaucracy, in administration this very day, and it has been
for the longest time. And I, and that needs to go.
That is what I would do with my magic wand.
I would put romantics in charge, men that have higher ideals, men
that aren't in it just to get their jollies by saying that
they're the toughest guy on the block.
Men that aren't in it to just use it as an excuse to beat
people up in a way, I kind of would want to drag people
kicking and screaming into the job because those are the guys I
know that aren't going to do it because they just have their own
personal axe to grind or want the power.
You know, like the Taoists always say, man, you should put
on the throne is the one you have to drag kicking and
screaming to it. But I would put romantics in and
I would say, let's use the law. And I think you would be amazed,
amazed, Jason, at how quickly things turn around.
Well, from your lips to God's ears, let's hope and pray that
they what is started in America will be good and flourishing and
will spread throughout the West in good and flourishing ways
because Lord knows we need it. Thank you, Charles.
It's always, it's always good, man.
Thank you Jason. I love that.
Love being on your program. Thank you so much for having.
Me. My pleasure, my friend.
Ladies and gentlemen, I am Jason Maranchuk, and it is later than
you think.