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The. 
Ladies and gentlemen, Madaz 

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Messieurs, Jim Jatras, Myo 
Miser, we have we have 

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something. 
To talk about. 

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We have some things to talk 
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Just a few things, just a 
couple. 

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Where do you want? 
Where do you want to start? 

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Originally when we were setting 
up show notes and stuff for you,

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we were going to talk all about 
Zolanski's time of the White 

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House and that whole disaster. 
And then there's been the 

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European responses, which we 
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Should we talk about that? 
And then, of course, Trump just 

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spoke with Congress. 
So there's got, we got to talk 

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about that. 
And then we were enduring great 

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lengths. 
We got to talk about that. 

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And I had this whole thing. 
I wanted to, you know, talk to 

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you about Judas and all the 
other things. 

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And like there's a my my, my 
tabs are overflowing, Sir. 

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Well, we were also going to talk
about a series of posts on X 

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about these really horrendous 
stories about Shanghai and guys 

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off the street in Ukraine or men
who've been locked up in their 

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own homes for three years to 
avoid getting dragged to the 

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front and literally going crazy 
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And, and, and the human toll 
that this is taking on people in

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that country. 
And actually there is a Nexus 

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with those topics. 
You know, one of the things that

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really struck me about Trump's 
speech last night was when he 

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talked about wanting to stop the
war, wanting to stop the killing

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and accuse the Democrats of just
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And I think there's a lot of 
truth to that. 

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It's true with Zelensky too, 
that there are a lot of people 

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who for their own reasons, 
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just, you know, to them, these 
guys being thrown to their 

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deaths or these other people 
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trying to escape that fate, they
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That's just, that's just a non 
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Those are just expendable human 
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And, and, and when you think 
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that is. 
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this, this episode is to the 
last Ukrainian Zelenska the 

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betrayer, which I think gets us 
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Iscariot. 
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the start of great length for 
the Catholics, but it's a 

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Wednesday. 
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the, the standard fast of, of 
recognition of, of Judas, 

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betrayal of Christ. 
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spending this time in great land
upon reflection and looking back

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at these stories and, and 
spending more, more time 

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studying them and, and 
reflecting on them, what I think

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is the, the story sort of 
personifies these characters. 

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And I'm not saying they didn't 
exist, but in terms of betrayal,

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betrayal for money, betrayal for
out of cowardice, you know, 

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etcetera. 
But they're all, they're all 

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elements that are, that are 
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You know, these, or even if I 
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betrayed someone for money, 
temptations can be there, you 

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know, maybe just haven't been 
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And not saying that someone is 
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but those temptations, those 
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the, what these, what the 
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that as soon as you start to 
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start to judge those elements 
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And, and those things are, are 
omnipresent, but maybe we're 

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getting ahead of ourselves. 
Let's start with the most recent

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thing first and then move 
backwards through time 'cause it

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is now, you know, then and now. 
So now, now and then we can, we 

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can just do things. 
Jim, it's OK. 

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So, so let's start with OK, 
Trump's speech to Congress. 

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We're, we're, we're gonna do 
this yesterday. 

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But you reminded me that the, 
that, that was going on. 

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And I think it was a wise idea 
as you are, Jim, Josh is the 

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wise to move this conversation 
to today. 

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And then that gives us some 
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that and reflect. 
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this morning, my morning, my 
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So I found it quite interesting.
I mean, there's a lot of the 

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standard Congress speeches I 
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into. 
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didn't applaud him, You know, 
did the despicable things of 

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like, you know, showing a kid 
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kid, like just basic human 
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silly. 
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had, the little paddles with 
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And there's already already 
memes galore now, with other 

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words being posted on the 
paddles to make even further fun

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of them. 
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was that there or somewhere 
someone they're bringing up 

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these egg cartoons so you didn't
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far. 
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Biden. 
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bunch of chickens before he left
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that's that's the theater stuff 
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spend too much time. 
Well, see, there's no. 

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That's why. 
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missing here, Jason. 
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entertain the world, what good 
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You know, I mean, I mean, I 
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way. 
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impression that this is a 
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than a kind of a reality show, I
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treats being president like 
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Yep. 
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like that, you know, the, the, 
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it's the Trumpman show. 
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that stuff too. 
I mean, we can go back. 

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Well, that's true, true. 
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story tradition of, of turning 
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celebrity. 
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Trump because I don't think it's
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Now the. 
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truth, I kind of like that. 
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kind of the God Emperor 
adulation as he comes into the 

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chamber and he always starts out
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sound and they all stand up and 
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nonsense. 
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Union as sound, kind of stuff 
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Although I guess it was not 
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speech. 
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something like this, you expect 
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real policy meat and try to 
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Americans are all united, blah, 
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None of that. 
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struck me about it was, hey, 
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that's in a state of a cold 
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It's right here in front of your
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And there they are. 
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there in their pink jackets and 
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nonsense who hate women, you 
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in the face with a, a ball by a 
a male player or, you know, some

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little kid with who wants to be 
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I mean, it just I, I again, it 
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It was kind of sappy in some 
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ate it up and he succeeded in 
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only stupid but heartless, which
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mentioned to you too, I got a 
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wanted to talk about it. 
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speech. 
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talking about. 
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with a lot of details about 
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And this is the facts, facts, 
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Well, obviously Trump didn't do 
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I mean, he did some of it, but 
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speech. 
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really stick the other guys. 
We're in charge, America's back.

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We're going to save this 
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Now, if he could do any of that 
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I mean, he's actually done a lot
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so in office than I would ever 
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to what extent. 
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low hanging fruit of what he 
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through executive action. 
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be sustained in the long run or 
really make a dent in what's 

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wrong with this country, I don't
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But he's given it a good shot it
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Seems like we're getting an 
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for lack of a better term. 
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of this as well is left of the 
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things go. 
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You know, we're, we're getting 
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much news literally on the daily
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forget how long it's been. 
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How short it is three years. 
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Oshevitz, but man O man 
Oshevitz. 

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But that's, that's the next way 
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I've been likening Trump in his 
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Mikhail Gorbachev. 
And yeah, you're right. 

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He's, he's going with the 
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That's an excellent way to put 
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I'm going to steal that 
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And, and, and also that Kenny 
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perestroika. 
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Gorbachev. 
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was trying to save, he brought 
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that's more likely outcome of 
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fundamental the problems of this
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actually fix it. 
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time, if we're going to at least
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can learn from from the Soviets.
So the Gorbachev had the, had 

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the, the poor position of being,
being in a position where this 

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hadn't really been done before. 
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And you know, Ottoman Empire, we
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collapsing and, and dispersing 
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This is not something completely
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But we're talking this artifice.
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you know, let's say we're 
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empire that was held together 
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some crazy stuff was going on in
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So you're not just, you know, 
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in in many ways, you're 
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brains, like it's their whole 
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just the borders. 
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how I think because of the speed
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We've talked about this in the 
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you're if you go back to 91, you
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And we can place a date and OK, 
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exactly what it was a January 
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which date you're going to go 
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Maybe you can say it was May of 
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But certainly, suddenly you had 
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didn't in very short order. 
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other countries just sprang up 
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being. 
One of these guys. 

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What, what's, what border 
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So a few things he mentioned in 
the, in the Congress speech, 

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which I thought were notable. 
You know, I, I, I kind of was 

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waiting for him to talk about 
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And maybe This is why the 
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because it was a, it was a, he 
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than other than there's been 
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back saying OK, with the with 
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I've heard numbers this, this 
mineral agreement that they're 

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hot for them to sign. 
I've heard numbers varying from 

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300 billion to 500 billion. 
No real parameters on the deal 

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other than natural resources of 
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They keep floating out this 
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But we know that that is mostly 
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in the Donbass and other regions
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I mean, I didn't even get to the
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So I've been trying to track 
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over Donbass. 
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exchanges. 
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misadventure by the Ukrainians 
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Ukrainians have something, maybe
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region and they're just being 
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The whole southern region of of 
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Aggressions, open aggressions 
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escalating. 
I saw one report and I this is 

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Twitter stuff. 
So, you know, take away all the 

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grains of salt that you can get,
you can muster. 

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But there is one alleged rumor 
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etcetera, that Russia's now 
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mobilize, not full mobilization 
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they're going to start blowing 
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regions like Carazon, another 
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of course in the South and then 
Odessa. 

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if I can. 
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from where where the Kursk 
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move towards Sumi or someplace 
like that. 

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I know basically a lot of facial
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moving. 
Let me just open my my goodness,

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this my bookmarks are I was I I 
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had to stop because I'm like I'm
sending him way too much. 

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We're we're we're we're losing 
things here. 

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Let me just see if I can find it
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Maybe I've been deleted as well.
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But essentially this is it. 
Is that the room the rumor is 

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that now Russia's going to go 
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is very confusing is why 
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Why why the river is not you 
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captured all that kind of stuff.
If this rumor is true or has any

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truth to it, we might start 
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It might be the whole to get as 
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formal negotiations begin. 
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I know I'm asking to. 
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well, you know, a few weeks ago 
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slowed down in the Russian pace 
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the brakes to see what the the 
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Trump's in. 
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was unusually warm there and the
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move it as much, etcetera, 
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And then we have the news. 
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military. 
It really has stopped at this 

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time. 
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that Biden sent because he wants
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signing the metals rare earth, 
whatever it is deal and then he 

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agreed to sign it. 
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news story that they've turned 
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that the Russians are looking at
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and pulling the rug out from 
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prepare a deal with us or is he 
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You know, he hasn't, you know, 
he, he hasn't, he hasn't said he

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will back up the British and 
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Ukraine as peacekeepers, but 
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5. 
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that maybe Trump has cut off 
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communications aid. 
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question would be, are they 
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Because that's what the 
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drones, which is about the only 
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that they can rely on at the 
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And if that stops, yeah, they 
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I mean, the Russians can just 
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The question is, is that what 
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You, like you said, are they 
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territory as they can before the
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to get essentially the Ukrainian
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before these talks? 
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talks are moot, moot. 
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the Russians need from the 
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that's what happened, that's the
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and that's we're going to have 
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Obviously the the Brits and the 
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Europe aren't willing to do that
yet given the nature of their 

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governments, but that's a whole 
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Well, OK, let's let's let's 
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before we get to to the frogs 
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because we're we're dealing with
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at very rapidly and and people 
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narrative. 
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One Trump's going to suspend all
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and otherwise. 
Now that's that sounds nice in 

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the headlines. 
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The reason why he can't is that 
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year of his office, signed 
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were extended out to I think 
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that. 
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ironclad. 
I don't think that he can really

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muck with that unless he wants 
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That would take some time. 
So, so that military and and and

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those aid packages are are are 
guaranteed. 

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Yeah, I think once the money's 
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is on its way, it's hard for him
to stop it. 

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The news reports the last couple
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I'm kind of skeptical that 
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Well, I, I think there's, 
there's from my understanding of

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it and maybe you, you have a 
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there are, are different layers 
of aid here. 

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So it's what aid we're talking 
about now what's being revealed 

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with the USA was with the USAID 
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let's say aid package, let's say
the the main aid package, 

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military war, etcetera. 
Aid, OK. 

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And that with the weapons 
packages, is that secure? 

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That's safe, that can't be 
touched cause of reasons and 

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lawfare and all the rest of it. 
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All the rest of the aid can be 
supplementary aid. 

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And that's like USAID, you know,
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you know, queer youth outreach 
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There's some silliness like 
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seems to be the things that they
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all those supplementary aid 
programs, unless you've heard 

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otherwise, that seems to be and 
that's what he mentioned in the 

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speech with Congress as well. 
He rattled off a whole bunch of 

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them. 
Those seem to be the ones that 

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he can just like stop 
immediately. 

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Like, you know, it's a we're not
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subscription payment this, this 
month. 

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Sorry, right. 
So I, I think that's the, so the

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narrative and, and you know, 
Michael Malice once said 

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something that I thought that's 
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the, the media always can be 
factual, but not truthful. 

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And I think that's what's one of
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yes, this is aid, but it's not 
the aid that you think it is 

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like the aid that we would 
assume that would be really 

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detrimental other than lining 
the pockets of a of a whole 

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bunch of oligarchs. 
Any. 

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Unless you am I spot on on that 
at all or? 

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I, I think, I think the bottom 
line is it's a complicated 

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picture and it's not as easy a 
way as it waving a magic wand 

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and we're turning a spigot on 
and off. 

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If there are a lot of different 
spigots, a lot of different 

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hoses, they all are under 
various legal authorities and 

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what you can do quickly or 
easily is is is highly 

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questionable. 
Right. 

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So, OK, so a, so narrative one, 
they've cut off some funding to 

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Ukraine, but not the aid or 
military supplies that would 

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make a would really excite 
people. 

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Narrative 1, Narrative 2. 
This mineral deal situation, I 

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believe that this is sort of an 
open I, Ukraine's a proxy and 

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the, the real, really real 
players at the table here are 

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America, the UK and Russia. 
And everyone else is just 

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everyone else. 
Maybe we can maybe let let let 

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France in the room a little bit.
I'm not even sure I would say 

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the UK except if we're talking 
about MI 6. 

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Well, I would, I would say the 
UK because of their, because 

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their financial situation that 
basically they're all they're 

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trying to hold up their bond 
market completely and their 

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whole economic situation is, is,
is. 

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There's not so much players in 
Ukraine, but they've got a lot 

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of skin in the game when it 
comes to Ukraine because of 

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their own domestic situation. 
They're all in because, yeah. 

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And this is building off work 
from Tom Luongo and from Alex 

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Cranor. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

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Show listen to this. 
Go check out their work, 

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especially guns, gold guns and 
and goats or sorry, gold goats. 

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Sorry, gold goats and guns. 
I'm saying that comes in there, 

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right? 
I thought the goats were out. 

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You don't have goats. 
Tom still got the goats. 

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Tom I what do I say? 
I don't have the goats. 

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The goats are out of my house 
but Tom still has. 

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But they did an episode called 
All roads lead back to London is

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building off of 1 of Alex's work
on his sub stack. 

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I always recommend people to go 
check that out. 

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And he's he basically breaks 
down. 

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Maybe we'll do that next week. 
I'll I'll bring the article out 

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and talk about it. 
Yeah, I'd like to see that. 

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But Alex basically breaks down 
the the situation between other 

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relationship between the UK and 
Ukraine, especially in their 

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bond markets. 
So yeah. 

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And how UK, the UK, essentially 
the Bank of England is all in on

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Project Ukraine. 
So if that ends, they're in the,

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the, they're in some major, 
major trouble. 

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And I think that the same thing 
goes for France and many other 

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places in the EU. 
One of the, one of the 

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interesting things about that 
whole story, because now you so 

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Starmer comes out, we're going 
back a bit here. 

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Sorry, folks, we're jumping 
around, but there's a lot to 

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cover. 
So Zolensky goes the goes the 

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White House has that absolute 
disaster of a cluster F 

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situation at the White House 
where he's tweaking, he's 

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obviously high on cocaine, he's 
swearing, he's calling, he's 

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saying sukkah, which if you 
don't understand Eastern 

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Europeans swear words, It's a 
multi faceted word. 

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It does a lot of heavy lifting. 
It's, you know, it's like Kurva 

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shmata things you don't say to 
other world leaders or the vice 

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president or anybody, right? 
And, and I people may, may not 

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understand this, but in Eastern 
European culture, although 

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we're, we're certainly no Saints
in general, saying this out 

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loud, especially in a political 
position is horrible. 

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Like the entire, all of Eastern 
Europe would have gone at that 

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moment 'cause you don't say 
that, you don't swear. 

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He, he did this with Lex 
Friedman too. 

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When Zelensky was on Lex 
Friedman, he was swearing like 

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crazy. 
And all I could think of is 

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like, if this gets to the 
Ukrainian people or to, I mean, 

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I'm sure that it's being 
broadcast to them as well. 

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It's not going to read well at 
all. 

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Maybe. 
Maybe it was the the cook 

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talking. 
I would have to, I would have to

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assume so in that meeting, of 
course, Trump and, and, and 

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Vance just dressed down Zelensky
very publicly, especially about 

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this, this rare earth order. 
They basically kick him out of 

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the White House. 
They cancel the dinner he was 

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supposed to be at this whole 
thing he was on. 

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This guy gets creeps back to, to
Europe and Starmer makes a, 

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makes an announcement very soon 
after about committing the UK to

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the Ukrainian war, pledging that
he's going to put boots on the 

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ground and all these fine 
things. 

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And of course now we have Macron
today saying that he's going to,

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he wants to, I mean, I've heard 
various things, things like he 

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wants to basically build a, an 
Iron Dome in Europe with, with 

445
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,600
nukes 'cause we're back to nukes
again. 

446
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,080
And you know, all this, all this
silliness. 

447
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,840
So we, so let's deal with that 
narrative a little bit because 

448
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,840
my first response to it and 
I'll, I'll let you see what 

449
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:37,840
you're, what you have to say 
about it. 

450
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,520
Jim, was that with, with, with 
what army? 

451
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:48,040
Like who, what, where, what are 
you going to do? 

452
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,920
Like, I don't, I don't 
understand any thoughts on this?

453
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,280
Cause 'cause again, Starmer is 
like pledging to put it like a 

454
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,640
few 1000 people on the field. 
I'm like, OK, great. 

455
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,880
What would, what, what do you 
think that's going to 

456
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,280
accomplish? 
Sorry, Jim, go ahead. 

457
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,960
Well, I mean, back to what you 
said earlier about London and 

458
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,400
the money and so forth. 
To what extent is all this talk 

459
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,800
in Europe revolving around, what
is it, $300 billion in Russian 

460
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,400
assets that they're frozen in 
Europe and that they're they're 

461
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,040
trying to basically first use 
the proceeds for that money, but

462
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,200
also threaten to confiscate the 
principle of those funds? 

463
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,760
Now, I don't know how much 300. 
Yeah, just, you know, I'm just a

464
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,200
simple barefoot Greek boy. 
I mean, to me, $300 billion or 

465
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,440
EUR or whatever it is sounds 
like a lot of money. 

466
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,360
I don't know how how far that 
would go towards filling in the 

467
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:48,280
hole that London has dug itself 
into, or at least could be used 

468
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,520
as collateral or something to 
try to at least kick the can 

469
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,080
down the road for a while. 
So I don't know to what extent 

470
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,480
what we're hearing from all 
these guys relates to what you 

471
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,840
said earlier, that they've got 
to find some way to bail 

472
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,000
themselves out and preserve this
project or else they're all 

473
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,480
going to lose, lose their shirts
and they lose their shirts and 

474
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,480
it hasn't will have the 
predictable income impact on 

475
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,760
their economies. 
They're going to lose their jobs

476
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,120
and they're already having 
trouble hanging on to them in 

477
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,920
the first place. 
I mean, Starmer, politically 

478
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,720
speaking, I was hitting as a 
dead man walking. 

479
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,280
So is Macron, Mertz is, I don't 
know what to make of Mertz. 

480
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,800
We'll find out when he gets in, 
but I don't think it looks good.

481
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,120
It's somehow though, it's still 
all revolves around the 

482
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:33,880
Americans. 
In other words, they could, they

483
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,840
can talk a brave game here, but 
they can't actually do anything.

484
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,560
As you point out, you and what 
army? 

485
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,040
They don't have one. 
None of them has an army. 

486
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,320
Actually, the the Germans are 
the worst off of the lot and and

487
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,120
at least the Germans don't seem 
to be willing to go in with this

488
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,680
idea of putting boots on the 
ground like the French and the 

489
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,880
British. 
Interestingly enough, the Poles 

490
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,240
don't want any part of it 
either. 

491
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,600
So maybe, you know, they're 
starting to wake up and smell 

492
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,280
the cavas here and, and realize 
that this kind of idiocy isn't 

493
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,640
going to get them very far, 
Especially since, as you know, 

494
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,680
the polls have sort of made a 
thing about trying to be, you 

495
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,840
know, the new Europe, the 
Poland, the Baltic states. 

496
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,880
We really love those guys. 
Well, you know, if Trump wants 

497
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,080
to go in a certain direction, 
what else can they do? 

498
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,000
The, the Baltic states are, you 
know, not even worth mentioning.

499
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,680
So I, I think the short, the 
short answer is they're 

500
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,760
clutching at straws. 
They're trying to find someone 

501
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,880
to bail them out and sells out 
politically and financially. 

502
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:34,200
But the so and they wanted 
somehow, you know, Clayton, you 

503
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,200
know, Keir Starmer, he sees the 
new leader of the free world, it

504
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,880
seems, and that he's going to do
a replay of the Crimean War, I 

505
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,000
guess. 
But they can't do it without the

506
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,480
Americans. 
They know that and everybody 

507
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,920
knows that that they don't. 
They have no more cards than 

508
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,520
Zelensky does. 
So I think they're still trying 

509
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,880
to find some way to throw some 
loop, some lasso around Trump to

510
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,880
sort of egg him in and, and, you
know, inch him in one way or the

511
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,840
other where he gets a little bit
pregnant. 

512
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,960
And so once he's a little bit 
pregnant, then they've got him 

513
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,760
snared. 
And that, that's where frankly, 

514
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,360
I, where I think this rare earth
deal comes in. 

515
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,400
Like Trump said, if we signed 
this deal and the Americans are 

516
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,040
in Ukraine because of this deal,
then Russia can't can't mess 

517
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,040
with them because they won't 
dare come and touch us. 

518
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,320
Well, I think that's sort of 
their backdoor way to getting 

519
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,920
America involved in some way in 
the continuing Ukraine project. 

520
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:30,160
Well, I think it might also be 
Trump undermining the UK deal 

521
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,440
'cause you know how the UK 
Starmer signed that, excuse me, 

522
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:41,760
100 year alliance. 
And also, you know, honestly, 

523
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,520
just just just as an aside, 
sometimes I say these things, 

524
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,200
I'm like, this is stupid, right?
Like this is, this has got to be

525
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,880
the most stupidest thing that 
I've ever. 

526
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,840
I can't believe I'm reading 
these things. 

527
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,800
What? 
What do you mean 100 year deal? 

528
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,720
With the with the regime that 
might not be there in 100 days 

529
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,640
from now. 
I mean, I mean, that, that, see,

530
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,600
that's the other thing that I, I
really again, don't understand 

531
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,280
what Trump thinks he's doing 
with this deal. 

532
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,240
Because does he really think the
current Ukrainian state under 

533
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,200
any circumstances is going to be
able to pay back the $350 

534
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,920
billion he says we spend, which 
is higher than even I think 

535
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,640
we've wasted on Ukraine? 
Does he really think that 

536
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,680
signing this deal is going to 
get us paid back? 

537
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,880
So what's again, what's its 
purpose? 

538
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,720
I don't know. 
I really don't. 

539
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,040
Well, the other thing too is 
that maybe, maybe with the rare 

540
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,520
earths there might be a slight 
difference here. 

541
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:43,360
But but otherwise the all the 
other things that Ukraine has, 

542
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:48,480
America has like America doesn't
need it from Ukraine oil. 

543
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,280
We, we have rare earths. 
We have rare earths here too. 

544
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,000
I mean, if you look at the maps,
rare earths aren't that rare. 

545
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,560
They're almost everywhere. 
But they're hard and expensive 

546
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,360
to to mine and and messy and 
dirty to process. 

547
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,640
So yeah, I'm sure the EPA would 
never want those being exploited

548
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,120
here in the United States, but 
it doesn't mean we don't have 

549
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:07,760
them. 
Right. 

550
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,280
And also then, OK, so let's say 
you exploit them over there. 

551
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,600
Well, you have to transport 
them. 

552
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,360
So I don't see why this is a 
sticking point. 

553
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,600
A few of the things that have 
come out with that, and I'm just

554
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,200
going to read some super chats 
in a second as well. 

555
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:27,320
But the the the other few things
I thought was notable was that 

556
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,600
Maloney, the the leader of 
Italy, has come out and said 

557
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,760
publicly that if Starmer and 
Macron want to go have a 

558
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,520
military venture in Ukraine, 
they can do without Italian 

559
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,440
troops. 
Exactly. 

560
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,160
Which is for people who maybe 
not following geopolitics to 

561
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,320
understand a few things, that's 
massive for one reason that's 

562
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,920
already throwing divides and 
splits in the EU. 

563
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,680
Two, we know that well, let's 
say there's three reasons. 

564
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,560
Two, we know that Maloney has 
been very chummy with Elon and, 

565
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,680
and Trump in general. 
And three, the, the, the 

566
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,880
location of the most of the most
military U.S. military bases 

567
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,000
outside of, of sorry, in Europe 
is in Italy. 

568
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,320
Yeah. 
So the only country, the only EU

569
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,120
country that has, let's say, a 
military infrastructure or like 

570
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,120
a legit one. 
I mean, it's not even theirs, 

571
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,880
but like it's at least it's 
present in their in their 

572
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,200
territory is Italy. 
So and just to throw a little 

573
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,520
bit of other things too. 
And you know, the EU is rattling

574
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,120
this war thing. 
Well, you've deindustrialized 

575
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,320
Germany. 
You've completely cratered out 

576
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,400
your your energy sectors. 
Your economy is on fire. 

577
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,960
You're about to enter into 
austerity that's going to make 

578
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,680
Greece in in 2010 look like a 
picnic party. 

579
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,160
And you're saying you're going 
to do what exactly? 

580
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Mobilize people and invade an 
area troops who have zero combat

581
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,440
experience? 
You have 0 combat experience 

582
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,040
from all your generals and 
everyone else. 

583
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,320
What is Macron going to do? 
He's just jealous that Zelensky 

584
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,280
got to play up and got to dress 
up as a military man for a few 

585
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,320
years. 
Like, get me a hat. 

586
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,520
I want. 
No, no. 

587
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,360
I want the lapels, perhaps some 
medals. 

588
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,680
I want a hat with a, with a, 
with a Falcon on it. 

589
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Something fierce. 
Talons. 

590
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,200
I want the talons over. 
Yeah, of course. 

591
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,640
Yeah, I want the pony. 
Get me a pony. 

592
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,120
I will ride. 
I will ride through the streets 

593
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:26,160
of France with a with a pony. 
Napoleonette. 

594
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,840
It's ridiculous and I see people
falling for this like what is 

595
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,600
wrong with you people? 
Well, well, well, who is really 

596
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,880
falling before it except for the
media, the European media and 

597
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,320
and sort of some of the 
mainstream media in America. 

598
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,400
But I mean, are even most 
European publics falling for 

599
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,400
this thing? 
I mean, if they are, I guess 

600
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,440
they've been so idiotized by 
mainstream propaganda that they 

601
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,560
don't know which end is up. 
It's possible I guess. 

602
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,120
I have no idea. 
I don't even know who it's for 

603
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,000
at this point. 
It's a headline. 

604
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,360
It's it's, but it falls in line.
It's a bit of on brand because 

605
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,600
throughout this throughout this 
engagement for the last three 

606
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:10,080
years, we've seen that the the 
allies love headline wins every 

607
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,760
headline win they can get. 
If this if this war could have 

608
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,639
been fought with with headlines,
it would have been over years 

609
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,120
ago. 
So instead of the ghost of Kiev,

610
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,840
we have the ghost of Paris, the 
ghost of London, the ghost of 

611
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,560
who knows where. 
Part of Macron's speech today, 

612
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,440
today, yesterday was detailing, 
he's saying that. 

613
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,960
He's saying that, you know, 
Russia's subversion of the 

614
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,920
Romanian elections must not 
stand. 

615
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:45,719
I'm like well fuck I I said this
not but not the last talk I was 

616
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,280
talking but the week before. 
Who said Who said that? 

617
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,719
Macron. 
Macron, of course. 

618
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,560
JD Vance at the Munich Security 
Conference said the exact 

619
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,080
opposite the board would happen.
EU media said the exact opposite

620
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,520
Jim, just like 3 weeks ago. 
I said it a few a few episodes 

621
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,920
ago. 
That's right, yeah. 

622
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,960
Where I'm reading the Kiev 
Guardian or Kiev Independent and

623
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,560
I'm there now. 
It was around the the end of the

624
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,480
of the energy. 
They claim credit for it. 

625
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,400
Yeah, well, the energy deal 
clicks over and Russia had been 

626
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,680
saying to them like, hey, if you
don't, it's too late now. 

627
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,800
Like, you know, it's you haven't
renewed, so it's just going to 

628
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,640
die. 
So that cuts off formally energy

629
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,720
to most of Europe, formally the 
the the energy transfer from 

630
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:37,560
Russia to through Ukraine to 
places like Hungary and Slovakia

631
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,280
and many other places. 
And I'm reading one article from

632
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,720
like from the then they start 
blaming Russia for the lack of 

633
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,120
energy and the soaring energy 
prices. 

634
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,800
That's the article and they 
actually have a little link, a 

635
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,680
hyperlink where you can click it
and it goes to an article from, 

636
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,360
I don't know, three months 
before and it says the exact 

637
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,920
opposite, that they were 
celebrating that this is going 

638
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,840
to be the end of energy deals 
with Russia. 

639
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:06,840
I'm like, this isn't the same 
article from the same paper. 

640
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,480
I, I written by two different 
people. 

641
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,080
Thank the Lord 'cause then I 
was, I would think I'm totally 

642
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:17,480
going crazy like it's it's 
clicked over to clown world, 

643
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,840
absolute clown world. 
So I'm getting I'm getting 

644
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,160
animated my passions. 
Are no, no, let's see, here's 

645
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,760
the thing I mean, and again, 
this gets back a little bit to 

646
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,920
Trump's speech the the last 
night he's saying that clown 

647
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,960
world is no longer in power, at 
least not in Washington. 

648
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,680
Obviously that clown world is 
still in power in in the most 

649
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,240
European capitals, not all of 
them, not Budapest, but most of 

650
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:43,960
the the European capitals. 
And the media is still living in

651
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,760
clown world too. 
They're still living in a 

652
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,640
fantasy world where, as you say,
propaganda victories are real 

653
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,240
victories, and that's the word 
they've been fighting all along.

654
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,080
Funny thing, those guys in 
Moscow haven't gotten the memo. 

655
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,280
They seem to think that wars are
actually won by facts on the 

656
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,280
ground, rather than whose 
propaganda is is more 

657
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,720
persuasive. 
Let's get to the Russian 

658
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,360
response in a second. 
We just read out some super 

659
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,560
chats, both from TK Thank you. 
Tom Luongo Mehrenchuk episode 

660
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,000
when? 
Also, God bless you all. 

661
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,720
God bless you Sir. 
I already did talk to Tom. 

662
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,960
That's part of the tales of the 
Shadow Empire package. 

663
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,800
You can go over Gum Road and 
pick up a package. 

664
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,440
I Jim. 
I mean, my conversation with Jim

665
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,400
is on there as well. 
My conversation with Tom was the

666
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,520
the Shadow City detailing his 
his work on the City of London. 

667
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,120
That's also available if you buy
a membership over on YouTube. 

668
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,320
You the $25 membership, you can 
get access to that. 

669
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,200
I believe I have it in other 
places as well. 

670
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,280
But I will be releasing it out 
into the Wilds of YouTube this 

671
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,720
week or next because I've been 
holding back on a few things 

672
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,760
waiting for things to kind of 
really take over. 

673
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,480
And now that things are ticking 
over, it's time to really get 

674
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,800
aggressive. 
Say also $2.00 from TK 

675
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,800
Appreciate you. 
Your guest has a 10 out of 10 

676
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,520
beard. 
Jesus would be proud. 

677
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,040
Well, there you are, Jim. 
I hate I trim it once every six 

678
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,280
months whether it needs it or 
not. 

679
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,840
I'm growing the hair out and not
by, are you? 

680
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,120
Yeah, well, not I didn't. 
I didn't plan on it but. 

681
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,200
Not as long as this, but. 
We're we're getting there. 

682
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:28,880
All right, Let me see anything 
else going on that chat, KJ 

683
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,320
says. 
My jaw literally dropped when I 

684
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,840
read that this morning. 
I believe that Macron's 

685
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,680
statements just absolutely 
shameless gaslighting of epic 

686
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,320
proportions. 
Well, you know, just give it a 

687
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:43,240
second because the because we're
in this really weird place, you 

688
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,000
know, OK, people mentioned 
nukes. 

689
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,800
Now this is the the day rigor 
thing. 

690
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,800
We have Christina Freeland, of 
course in Canada making a 

691
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,640
statement, the ongoing, the 
never ending leadership race, 

692
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,880
the leadership race to to that 
has no end. 

693
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:05,320
Look, I said this when just 
right before Trudeau dropped out

694
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,080
and it even right afterwards 
that I, I, I, I don't believe 

695
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,360
we're see, we saw the end of 
Trudeau anytime soon. 

696
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,400
And I don't believe that it is 
outside of the realm of 

697
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,160
possibility now the way that the
Canadians have been spooling up 

698
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,480
their rhetoric that he may not 
now declare War Measures Act. 

699
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,120
At which case, if he does that, 
this is the same thing he did 

700
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,560
with the truckers and a whole 
bunch of other people, at which 

701
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,480
case he can then prorogue 
Parliament even further and stay

702
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:35,080
in power. 
And so strap in, folks, because 

703
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,120
war, you know, oh, war has been 
mentioned, the trade war. 

704
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,840
Well, you got to think like, you
got to think like a stupid rat. 

705
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,320
And he's when he started 
thinking like a stupid rat. 

706
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,320
All of a sudden all their things
go, oh, well, that's a that's on

707
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,720
the board. 
That's a possibility. 

708
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,400
So we can maybe save Canada for 
next week. 

709
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:02,680
But the Russian response. 
So you've been in negotiations, 

710
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,680
you know, you understand 
diplomacy. 

711
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:07,960
Let me throw out this and see 
what you can do with it. 

712
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,680
Initially, what I thought when I
saw the the the the Zelensky 

713
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,840
White House debacle. 
Was that that was basically 

714
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,920
signal to the Russians? 
Because I feel that Trump is in 

715
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,920
a in a very tight position of 
trying to build trust, as much 

716
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,360
trust as he can build before 
these negotiations really get 

717
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,200
underway. 
There's been preliminary, as we 

718
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,440
know, there's been talks in 
Istanbul, there's been talks in 

719
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:36,120
Saudi Arabia, But, you know, no 
big leaders have actually sat 

720
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,320
down to really do any kind of 
summits or any of that kind of 

721
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,280
thing. 
We have reports that apparently 

722
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,240
Starmer, Macron and Zelensky are
going to go to the White House 

723
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,200
next week as recording. 
This is what I've been. 

724
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,480
Hearing all three. 
All three of them. 

725
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:56,440
This is what I've been hearing 
for who knows what, but 

726
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:05,200
regardless, so that so that was 
my initial thoughts about and 

727
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,560
that course isn't the only 
reason that that went down, but 

728
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,120
it could always have gone down 
differently. 

729
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,720
It was very public. 
It was very humiliating for 

730
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:15,000
Zelensky and the Europeans. 
I felt that that was a direct 

731
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,880
gift almost to to Russia. 
Like say, see, see, we, we, we 

732
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,320
don't, we're enemies. 
We, we have the same enemies. 

733
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,400
And then other rhetoric that's 
been coming out of there. 

734
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:33,600
Like you said, this aid, no aid,
mineral deals, no mineral deals.

735
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,920
Zelensky saying no, then saying 
yes, then they saying maybe, 

736
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,360
then saying no again, then 
saying OK, I'm I'm down for the 

737
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,200
deal. 
All this stuff. 

738
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,560
It's very confusing. 
I have to think it's done at 

739
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,240
least partly on purpose and then
partly on Axon as well. 

740
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:55,120
But since you're a Russian 
expert here, Jim. 

741
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,800
I wouldn't quite say that, but 
let's say I'm acquainted. 

742
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,240
OK, what would they be thinking?
What's Moscow thinking at this 

743
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,840
point? 
Is this a trust situation? 

744
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,120
Have they been building trust? 
Do you think? 

745
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,800
Like it's, I'm, I'm trying to 
figure that out from what I 

746
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,280
understand about Putin and all 
the rest of it. 

747
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,280
But as we've said in in the past
episodes, it they're not acting 

748
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,080
seemingly rationally either. 
So. 

749
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,440
No. 
Well, So what was Reagan's 

750
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,320
phrase? 
Trust but verify, right. 

751
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,800
I mean, I, I think what the 
Russians appear to be doing 

752
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:39,440
First off is, is that indicating
that any substantive progress 

753
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,640
needs to be based on a 
restoration of normal relations,

754
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,960
so that, for example, getting 
the embassy staffing back up. 

755
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:50,520
I think of one of the important 
signals we saw was I guess they 

756
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,640
gave a order in DoD to stop 
cyber warfare activities against

757
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,560
Russia. 
Now, whether that applies to 

758
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,080
other agencies like the NSA or 
CIAI don't know. 

759
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,880
But apparently DoD is not 
supposed to be doing it anymore.

760
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,400
So I think what they're going to
have to try to do is to put US 

761
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,280
Russia relationship back on at 
least a normal with what is 

762
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,360
called a correct footing, even 
if it's not a cordial 1 yet. 

763
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,280
And that after that they can 
start to talk like to normal 

764
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,240
governments to each other about 
substantive things. 

765
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,840
Now, I'm sure there are some 
people somewhere who are 

766
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,880
actually talking about, you 
know, details of what a peace 

767
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,160
plan could look like, but I 
don't know how far the Russians 

768
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,320
are willing to take that until 
normalization becomes an 

769
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,480
accomplished fact. 
And meanwhile, frankly, I think 

770
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,160
it's the Russia's interest to 
not agree to much of anything 

771
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,200
while the war goes on and while 
they they continue to to take 

772
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,520
the Ukrainians down. 
You know what, By the way, one 

773
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,280
thing I don't understand. 
Maybe you do, Jason is. 

774
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,640
Why do Ukrainians so insistent 
that they don't want to see a 

775
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,160
ceasefire? 
I mean, if I were Zelensky, I'd 

776
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,000
be desperate for for a 
ceasefire. 

777
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,800
Oh, again, I don't think he's 
making any calls on this. 

778
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:04,520
I you know. 
Well, I know, but he could at 

779
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,320
least talk. 
I mean, he could say, yes, we're

780
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,560
all for a ceasefire. 
I think he did lay out some 

781
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,080
conditions where because he 
wanted to stop out, like for 

782
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,880
example, stop attacks on 
infrastructure and things like 

783
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,440
that. 
But probably, you know, of 

784
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,360
course, because he's getting the
the worst end of that, that that

785
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,880
exchange. 
But you'd think he'd be looking 

786
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,960
for any way possible to freeze 
this conflict. 

787
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,880
The, the only thing I can come 
up with and we, we speculated 

788
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,560
this in our talk, which is part 
of the tale of the shadow empire

789
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,720
is that and we've, I think 
reiterated a few times as well, 

790
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,160
is that we're just looking at 
the face of evil. 

791
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:42,320
That, that the, that 
extinguishing viable Ukrainian 

792
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,320
bloodline in Ukraine seems to be
at least part of the plan. 

793
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,920
Now we're on YouTube, so we're 
going to be very careful how we 

794
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:55,440
say these things. 
But there there is, and I'll 

795
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,880
probably do a episode of this 
off off YouTube. 

796
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,120
There's a gentleman. 
You're saying killing off 

797
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,680
orthodox slobs is not a bad 
thing from some perspectives? 

798
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,720
There was a there's a plan 
called Holy Jerusalem or or 

799
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,560
Kazaria 2 point O and I'll just 
leave. 

800
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,160
It Yeah, I've written this. 
Yeah. 

801
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,320
The the other thing, of course, 
is that he may reckon that if 

802
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,560
the shooting actually stopped, 
if there was even a temporary 

803
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,640
freeze, that would then raise 
the question of Gee, why aren't 

804
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,160
we having elections? 
And that he would be in a 

805
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,320
position where he can't come out
ahead. 

806
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,840
Oh, yeah, I, I think, 'cause I 
mean, he also, Zelensky's also 

807
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,960
come out and said that he's 
willing to, he's willing to 

808
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,240
quit. 
I mean, he's willing to to. 

809
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:43,560
In exchange for NATO membership,
which isn't going to happen. 

810
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,080
So it's an it's an easy offer 
for him to make. 

811
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:50,720
Sure, but I mean, but I still 
take that as a signal regardless

812
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:54,640
of what what his condition might
be, because it's a it's a it's a

813
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,960
bizarre thing to say. 
He's been asking for NATO 

814
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,680
membership anyway. 
So like, why say that I'll step 

815
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,160
down for NATO membership? 
Like, well, nada likes you, 

816
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,120
right? 
You're you're, you're their boy.

817
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,560
You're you're the golden child, 
you're the great general. 

818
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,040
Like, why would they want you to
step down? 

819
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,520
Why would that be a part of the 
package? 

820
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:18,000
So no, something that Trump's 
also basically alluded to is 

821
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:23,280
that is that if Zaleski doesn't 
play ball, they'll just revoke 

822
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,720
security, which is, you know, 
essentially just saying you're 

823
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:28,760
dead. 
Like Zaleski's a dead man 

824
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,160
walking. 
There's. 

825
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,080
Except isn't that mostly 
provided by the Brits, not the 

826
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,880
Americans? 
Who knows at this point. 

827
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,320
That's my that's my 
understanding, I could be wrong.

828
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,520
Sure, but I mean, again, you 
know, people been, people been 

829
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,200
under British security before 
and and they've and they've 

830
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:52,080
succumbed to a, a sudden bout 
of, of what was it poisoning? 

831
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,120
Lead poisoning? 
Yeah. 

832
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,000
Well, we could put in. 
We can draw a leaf from our 

833
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,560
Vietnam experience and put him 
on the per diem plan. 

834
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:07,280
Right, Yeah, I mean, hopefully 
Zelensky's got a very nice, very

835
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,960
comfort, comfortable hole to to 
crawl into. 

836
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,480
But of course, we know how that 
worked out for Saddam Hussein as

837
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,480
well, right? 
So I, I honestly, I, I think 

838
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,320
they're going to, they're going 
to find a scapegoat, they're 

839
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,880
going to blame someone. 
And he's he's, he's. 

840
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,480
He's the obvious candidate. 
He's the very obvious candidate.

841
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,960
He's got a big giant bell on his
neck. 

842
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,320
So, so I think that there's 
those are there are there are 

843
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,920
all those conditions, as you 
said. 

844
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,960
But again, I don't think 
Zelensky's has ever been making 

845
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,360
any decisions. 
He's just the guy who who? 

846
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,840
Stands there, but of course even
if they replaced him, you would 

847
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,000
just get, you know, Zelusiony or
some other Banderas in there 

848
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,360
anyway. 
Maybe one is more competent, but

849
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,560
he'd also have to be dancing to 
someone else's tune as well 

850
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,400
because I don't think anything 
in Kiev can work without outside

851
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,320
support. 
No, no, not at all. 

852
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,280
I would think that. 
Well, I mean, that's the the 

853
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,680
interesting thing with even 
Putin's come out and said that 

854
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:10,600
he softened a little bit saying 
that he he'd be willing to to 

855
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,800
negotiate with with his with his
sorry with with Zelensky if 

856
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,360
absolutely necessary, which is 
about as soft as as much as 

857
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,280
softening as you can get. 
But I mean, again, I if I was a 

858
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,000
Lensky, I, I, I would, I'd start
making making my will and 

859
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,240
testament because that that 
kids. 

860
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,440
Frankly, if I was him, I'd, I'd,
I'd be out of there already. 

861
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,200
I mean, I'd take the money and 
run. 

862
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,960
You know, I think he's allowed 
to. 

863
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,840
Yeah, you're probably right 
about that. 

864
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,800
You know, they, they were not 
talking about sovereign actors. 

865
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,800
These are representatives of a, 
of, of factions and other 

866
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,080
things. 
I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm sure he 

867
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,440
didn't want the job to begin 
with. 

868
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,600
Imagine that sale, you know, 
don't worry, it'll be the role 

869
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,880
of a lifetime, literally the 
rest of your life. 

870
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:05,600
You got about three years, kid. 
One one way or the other. 

871
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,880
Yeah, I guess. 
And of course, where could he go

872
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,640
that he would be safe? 
I mean, a Tel Aviv, obviously, 

873
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,720
but you know, Paris, I don't 
know where else he could 

874
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:15,200
actually go that he would be 
free from either being 

875
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,600
assassinated or extradited. 
I would not be surprised. 

876
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:22,120
Well, look, here's the other 
thing too, is that why would you

877
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,120
want somebody with that much 
Intel? 

878
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,200
You know, he's, he's, he's got 
to know something in terms of 

879
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,680
he's just been in the rooms 
right where they've explained 

880
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,320
these deals. 
And, you know, tragic airplane 

881
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,000
accidents can happen, Jim. 
We see them all the time. 

882
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:45,480
So, you know, Ukraine Air Force 
One just accidentally just blows

883
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,840
up out of the blue and everyone 
and everyone's is perplexed. 

884
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,560
You'll know that's you'll know 
that the worm is really turned 

885
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,320
when the entire media goes. 
It was it was a fuel leak. 

886
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
It was a pigeon, a tragic 

887
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,480
pigeon. 
Got on the, got on the the jet. 

888
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,480
These things happen. 
So Jim, I've been doing this 

889
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:11,200
series during Lent, basically 
doing a stream or an episode 

890
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,240
every day of Lent. 
My intention is do the full 40 

891
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,200
that way. 
I am not a theologian. 

892
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,720
I am a very admitted white built
when it comes to all things 

893
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,080
religion especially is basically
an Orthodoxy. 

894
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,200
But one of the things that I 
thought we could dovetail this 

895
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,880
conversation into a little bit 
and since we're talking about 

896
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:36,840
Zelensky is the, you know, every
Wednesday, just, even just 

897
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,680
during the normal year, the fact
that we the Orthodox fast is to 

898
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,440
on Wednesdays is to remember the
betrayal of Judas Iscariot of, 

899
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,400
of, of Christ, and which sets 
off the, the sacrifice. 

900
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,160
So, and then one of the things I
really think about when 

901
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,120
reflecting these stories is that
these stories aren't just, we 

902
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:02,320
can obviously examine the 
character of Judas, but in many 

903
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,760
ways, these are, these are, 
these are, these are 

904
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,160
characteristics that are, that 
are playing in the human soul. 

905
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,000
You know, you, me and everyone 
else, we may not have been given

906
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,200
the opportunity to, to betray 
someone for money, but certainly

907
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,000
those temptations can always be 
there. 

908
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,840
And so when we, we started 
discussing this sort of concept 

909
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,760
of betrayal and the, and the, 
the character of the ultimate 

910
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:32,960
betrayal, I think we can start 
to see these characteristics 

911
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,640
being played out in a lot of 
these actors. 

912
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,880
Like the only way I can think of
Zelensky as is as the Judas for,

913
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,480
for the Ukrainian people, He 
sold them out. 

914
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:48,080
You know, I took a lot of heat, 
a lot of heat from a lot of 

915
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,920
people when I came out as 
Ukrainian nationalist and said 

916
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,760
at the very start of it, like, 
no, Ukraine should take the 

917
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,400
deal. 
Like, take the deal. 

918
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,360
Don't do this. 
When, when when When was this? 

919
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,280
With for Minsk 1, you know when 
before the Oh, you. 

920
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,360
Know back in 2014, the. 
Very, the very start, yeah. 

921
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,880
I was like, just take the deal. 
Don't do this because you're 

922
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,640
going to you're going to set out
a series of of escalations that 

923
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,360
you can't win like you're not, 
you can't win this one. 

924
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,200
And then certainly Minsk too. 
I was like, really don't do not 

925
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,440
do this over Donbasket. 
You've, you've created this 

926
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,880
problem. 
The the best thing you can do is

927
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,560
is back away from it and try to 
find some sort of neutral, well,

928
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,840
frankly. 
They they would be, you know, 

929
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,880
again, if you're trying to 
consolidate a pro western 

930
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,240
Ukrainian state, you'd be better
off with that Donbass. 

931
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,720
You know, it's just sort of like
when the, the everything was 

932
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:48,120
going on on on Maidan, when 
Yanukovych was there in the 

933
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,760
Barracuda out of the street. 
People forget, but there were 

934
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,000
rumbles out in West Ukraine in 
the Lvov and Ivanov 

935
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,960
Frankievskin, places like this 
that maybe they would secede 

936
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:02,280
from Ukraine because they were 
concerned that Yanukovych was 

937
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,800
going to crack down and really 
clear out the, the, the the 

938
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,240
protests. 
And in fact that what protest is

939
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,680
putting in Mudley. 
But I mean, in fact, Putin, at 

940
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,440
least according to the reports 
I've heard, Putin offered 

941
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,200
Yanukovych, look, you do what 
you need to do when we will back

942
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,520
you up. 
And Yanukovych refused to do it 

943
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,320
because he was afraid of how 
that would work out for him. 

944
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,680
As things turned out, didn't 
work out for him. 

945
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,200
Well, well anyway. 
But in any case, you think that 

946
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,440
if I was like Ukrainian 
nationalist and I want to 

947
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,040
consolidate as much of A 
Ukrainian state that's a pro 

948
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,840
Western, NATO, anti Russian 
state, I'd want to dump Crimea 

949
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,400
and the Donbass that fewer of 
those people in this state and 

950
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,600
we control all the rest of it 
with, you know, doing a fans or 

951
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:48,920
butts. 
But they didn't think that way. 

952
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,280
Evidently, they wanted to subdue
these people and force them to 

953
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,320
live in their state and have 
their identity transformed 

954
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,520
according to their idea of what 
Ukraine ought to be. 

955
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,120
Yeah, or ethnically cleanse and 
then bring in the global S, 

956
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,520
which is no if, if, if, if a rum
state Ukraine is allowed to limp

957
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,720
on after this. 
That's exactly what you're going

958
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:12,960
to see. 
You know you're going to see a 

959
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,920
lot of African, African 
Ukrainians, didn't you? 

960
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,440
Know. 
Yeah, actually I've seen some 

961
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,480
videos with that too. 
Yeah, yeah, They're natives. 

962
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:22,960
They were. 
They were there before they were

963
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:23,600
driven out. 
That's. 

964
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:25,200
Right. 
That's right. 

965
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,240
Like Cheddar Man or somebody 
like that. 

966
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:31,080
You know, it's yeah. 
We're all Turkish anyways at the

967
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:31,960
at the end of the day. 
Right. 

968
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,200
So speak. 
Speak for it yourself. 

969
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,160
I. 
Told, I told an Albanian that 

970
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:43,560
once that technically, 
technically, if you go back far 

971
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,480
enough, you know, there's, there
were most, mostly ethnic area 

972
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,440
people in the in, in Eastern 
Europe were Turkmen, you know, 

973
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:58,120
just sort of very loose 
relationships to the Turks, you 

974
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,200
know, just, you know, whatever. 
And that did not go over well. 

975
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:05,920
And that's when the fight 
started. 

976
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:10,160
I was like, oh, oh God, there's 
a girl too. 

977
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,400
I was, you know, trying to woo, 
and I did not woo. 

978
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,480
You you know how to sweet talk 
them, don't you? 

979
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:24,680
Oh yeah. 
Well, you know, anyways, OK, 

980
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,240
Great Lent we are. 
We are in the Great Lent. 

981
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,840
We have been. 
We, we have if we're Orthodox, 

982
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,360
we're observing Orthodox. 
We have been. 

983
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,720
This is day. 
Depending where you're at, the 

984
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,160
either day three or day 4. 
First of all, how's how's lead 

985
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,080
going for you, Sir? 
You've, you just came back from 

986
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,000
service from, from Liturgy. 
To you sanctified liturgy. 

987
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,320
Yeah, that was great. 
It was nice to nice way to I I 

988
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,840
wasn't able to make it to comp 
line last night, but made it to 

989
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,360
comp line Monday night. 
We'll have comp line again 

990
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,320
Thursday night and then I'll 
you're going to the Greek Parish

991
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,000
on Friday for the Akathist Tim. 
So it's a pretty good start. 

992
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,960
I'm I'm very pleased with it so 
far. 

993
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,840
Yeah, I've been having a very, 
I've been trained on this 

994
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,440
stream, obviously, but I've been
having a very, very peaceful, 

995
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,720
very calm first few days, which 
I'm hoping is will continue and 

996
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:17,720
is not just a calm before the 
storm because that's happened 

997
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:22,200
before. 
But let's let's let's let's deal

998
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,600
directly with with the story of 
Judas, if you wouldn't mind. 

999
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,640
Oh yeah. 
And I don't know where you want 

1000
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,440
to go with that. 
Well, let me let me let me throw

1001
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,400
a thought on the table there. 
I've noticed that whenever you 

1002
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:40,520
see like modern, you know, Bible
based dramas on your TV or a 

1003
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,480
movie or in a book that they 
relate to Judas. 

1004
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:48,960
They always want to give him 
some kind of a almost noble 

1005
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,440
motivation that he's a 
revolutionary feels that Christ 

1006
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,880
is not really doing what he 
needs to do or, or that he's 

1007
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,320
actually concerned about Christ 
and somehow he is trying to, you

1008
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,160
know, stop him from something 
that's going to hurt him or 

1009
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,360
something. 
I mean all sorts of convoluted 

1010
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,840
reasons why he did what he did 
rather than the ones that the 

1011
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,360
Scriptures make very clear and 
also very clear and all the the 

1012
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,480
the hymnography of the church is
that the guy was a thief and he 

1013
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,640
was seduced by money and he was 
he was filled with the spirit of

1014
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,160
greed, which is why he sold 
Christ. 

1015
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,040
Like the part where he says, 
well, you can't. 

1016
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:32,320
Why was it this ointment used to
sold and and money used to help 

1017
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,320
the poor. 
He said this not because he 

1018
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,480
cared for the poor, but because 
he was a thief who used to take 

1019
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,600
out what take what was in the 
box. 

1020
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,720
Same thing with the, the, the 30
pieces of silver. 

1021
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:48,360
I mean, all of him say he, he 
did it for the love of silver. 

1022
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,480
And in fact, I think actually 
that might be the Greek word for

1023
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,680
greed, love of silver, something
like that. 

1024
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,520
I'd have to look that up. 
But what, you know, it's, it's 

1025
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,320
some people, that's their 
passion. 

1026
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,080
Other people have other 
passions, you know, sexual or, 

1027
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,120
you know, drunkenness or 
whatever, you know, drug 

1028
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,480
problems, whatever they might 
be. 

1029
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,800
That was his. 
And why do they need to try to 

1030
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,840
complicate it? 
Or D Avarisify if I can use that

1031
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,400
word, Judas because it's it's 
pretty plain. 

1032
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,320
Well, I mean, we can question 
the source of these of these 

1033
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,840
things. 
I remember when the Gospel Judas

1034
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:33,280
came out a little while ago and 
again that there is that refrain

1035
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:39,080
of, of, of Jesus is just 
misunderstood or, and I guess, 

1036
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,800
and this is actually sort of a 
theological debate that you 

1037
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,040
sometimes you will hear people 
talk about is that, well, Judas,

1038
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,800
Judas's act was necessary for 
Christ to be sacrificed. 

1039
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,920
At least you know, that's how it
happened. 

1040
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,080
So let's just say that it was 
dependent upon that. 

1041
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,080
So in some ways he was 
fulfilling his purpose. 

1042
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,440
Well, like Christ says in his 
prayer, I think it's the prayer 

1043
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,040
of the garden where he says I've
lost none of them except the Son

1044
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,800
of perdition that the the 
Scriptures might be fulfilled. 

1045
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:14,200
So in a sense he was playing out
a role that had been ordained 

1046
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,360
from the beginning, but he 
wasn't forced to do it. 

1047
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:21,000
I mean, he was doing what God 
obviously knew he would do and 

1048
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,920
what Christ did he, I mean, he 
knew he was who was betraying 

1049
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,800
him when he said whoever gets 
the, the his, his, the the bread

1050
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,000
and the soup with me is the one 
who shall betray me. 

1051
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,800
I don't know why all the other 
guys didn't say, Ah, it's Judas,

1052
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,600
huh? 
Because at that point, but 

1053
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,720
apparently maybe it wasn't as 
clear at the time. 

1054
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,640
You had to be there. 
You had to be there. 

1055
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,560
Yeah, maybe he was just very 
stinky about it. 

1056
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,640
Just to the to the when 
everyone's back. 

1057
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,520
Yeah, I did there is. 
Well, that's the that's the 

1058
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,680
general trend in in your book. 
I tried to warn you. 

1059
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,320
Yeah. 
We talked about this a little 

1060
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,480
Tommy Salmon. 
That episode releases a special 

1061
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,960
episode this week. 
I'm just just carving out where 

1062
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,560
we had some Internet 
interruptions. 

1063
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,560
But in your you spend quite a 
quite a few chapters talking 

1064
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,360
about 1. 
The subversion of Ukraine 

1065
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,360
specifically, but just the more 
general subversions that are 

1066
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:19,280
happening throughout the West. 
You do a great quote from the 

1067
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:25,440
Confederacy of Dunces that I 
but. 

1068
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,320
Saving. 
Saving the world through 

1069
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,120
degeneracy. 
Right, yes, saving the world 

1070
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,440
through degeneracy. 
I'm just trying to find the 

1071
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,080
exact chapter. 
But anyways, we can just talk 

1072
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,800
loosely about it. 
There's this. 

1073
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,800
I think it's sort of happening 
with the with the anti hero 

1074
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,080
trope in the 1970s. 
Well, we'll just say we'll place

1075
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,280
in the 1970s. 
It was there certainly before 

1076
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:50,760
that, but there's this attempt 
to redeem, redeem the, the, the 

1077
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:55,800
scoundrel, you know, redeem, 
find some goodness in, in, in 

1078
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,560
everyone and everything, which 
you know, from a Christian lens,

1079
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,960
there's there's some, there's 
some good things to that. 

1080
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,560
I don't want to discourage 
people completely from trying to

1081
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,360
find the good in everyone and 
everything. 

1082
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,000
At the same time. 
We can still also call a spade a

1083
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,680
spade. 
Like I feel that this is this 

1084
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,200
often times get into those 
conversations, those those, 

1085
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,280
those, those those throw outs to
people that you know about the 

1086
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,560
border, right? 
You know, people say, well, 

1087
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,520
aren't Christians supposed to be
inviting everyone to their home 

1088
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,120
and all that kind of stuff? 
It's like, well, sure, but there

1089
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,680
are limits to everything. 
Like you don't have to give up 

1090
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,960
your country or, you know, lay 
down all your arms and get 

1091
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,360
slaughtered at the same time to 
in order to do that. 

1092
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,120
And so I feel like there's, and 
I think that it is probably 

1093
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,160
purposeful this this sort of 
kernel of doubt that's put into 

1094
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,040
both a strict reading of 
Scripture and not, not being 

1095
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,200
able to have Christian 
judgement, let's say, let's put 

1096
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,200
it that way, yeah. 
Yeah, have you? 

1097
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,200
Have you? 
You've heard a book called Camp 

1098
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,200
of the Saints. 
Haven't you? 

1099
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,840
Sure, yeah. 
Yeah, and, and, and of course 

1100
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:07,360
that was I think published in 
1972 and I think the subtitle is

1101
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,480
The End of the White World or 
something like that. 

1102
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,200
And for those who don't know, 
maybe I'll just briefly 

1103
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,680
summarize. 
It's about a million starving 

1104
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,440
Indians piling onto 100 derelict
ships and I think Calcutta or 

1105
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,720
someplace like that and setting 
sail for Europe. 

1106
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,800
It's, it turns out France 
because the the author's French,

1107
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:28,000
right. 
But what's interesting is that 

1108
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:33,080
whereas most normal with people 
would say, hell no, we can't 

1109
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,520
allow this because what spark 
this sparks is like a 

1110
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,120
spontaneous mass movement from 
the third world to the developed

1111
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,880
countries, which basically swamp
them and destroy them. 

1112
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,040
That all the intelligence, you 
all the smart, beautiful people,

1113
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,520
the government's, the media and 
all cheering this on. 

1114
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,000
Like, will they make it? 
Can they do it? 

1115
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,120
I mean, it's is they're, you 
know, basically cheering of the 

1116
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,040
invaders. 
And that's what really writes 

1117
01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:00,480
the death sentence for the 
European Christian countries 

1118
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,680
that they decide to commit 
suicide. 

1119
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,920
And, and of course it's, it's, 
it's written almost like a 

1120
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:10,040
parable in a way that it's sort 
of like a Fast forward how this 

1121
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,200
process is going to occur and 
has been occurring over the last

1122
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,840
few decades. 
It is now reaching that critical

1123
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,760
point. 
But a lot of it has to do with, 

1124
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,800
as you say, that misplaced 
Christian altruism that, you 

1125
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,280
know, basically we love 
everybody. 

1126
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,200
We give everybody the benefit of
the doubt. 

1127
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,400
You know, there but for the 
grace of God goes another Sinner

1128
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,320
like me. 
And all of that's true. 

1129
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,880
I don't think most Christians 
over the centuries, faced with 

1130
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,080
invasion or the destruction of 
their homes and families and 

1131
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,520
churches, looked at the world 
that way. 

1132
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,320
They decided to fight, you know,
whether it's, you know, Carl the

1133
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,320
Hammer and Poitier or whether 
it's, you know, the East Roman 

1134
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,160
Empire for centuries on end, 
whether it's my personal 

1135
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,760
favorite, Vlad the Impaler. 
I mean, you know, it's. 

1136
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,160
Yeah. 
He well, he, he, he, he made 

1137
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:05,600
sure they got the point right. 
He was a real prankster, no 

1138
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,000
doubt about it. 
No man, no Chavez. 

1139
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:10,800
Yeah. 
So there, I think there's 2 

1140
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,280
split off points with that is 
discernment and intolerance. 

1141
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:20,840
I was, where was I just watching
something somewhere Protestant 

1142
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:25,200
obviously was talking about this
idea of Christian tolerance 

1143
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,080
again, that I feel these, these 
terms have been hollowed out. 

1144
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,600
So when we talk about things 
like justice, tolerance, love, 

1145
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,480
they do have meaning and they do
have even Christian meaning. 

1146
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,120
But in the modern world, because
these things have been hauled 

1147
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,040
out and been reduced to these 
sort of materialist, nominalist 

1148
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,120
phrasing, that's like everything
becomes subjective. 

1149
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,760
There is no absolute meaning to 
these things. 

1150
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,200
They're just, they're just mean 
what we mean when we mean it, 

1151
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,000
you know, when we when we want 
something. 

1152
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,400
So maybe you can talk about a 
little bit of that, Jim. 

1153
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,800
Is this, this idea of Christian 
tolerance what we should 

1154
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,840
tolerate? 
Because in some senses that's 

1155
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:09,480
very true. 
We Christians reformed the Roman

1156
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,080
Empire through tolerance, 
essentially tolerating being 

1157
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,600
persecuted. 
Not that they had much of A 

1158
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,440
choice, but they did tolerate. 
They did, you know, they did 

1159
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,760
persevere. 
So on there's, there's that 

1160
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,960
story on one end and of course, 
what we're experiencing now. 

1161
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,360
And I've, you know, said this 
very clearly that I'm not a race

1162
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,080
realist or, or any of those 
things. 

1163
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,240
But at the same time, I, I can, 
I also understand that, that 

1164
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,960
destroying your civilization 
through, by importing millions 

1165
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,680
of uncivilized people. 
And you know, that's just, 

1166
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,000
there's not even a criticism on,
on them. 

1167
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,840
It's just they, they're going 
from 1 from 1 situation to 

1168
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,760
another and being being asked to
behave. 

1169
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,680
There's there's no reason for 
them to do that. 

1170
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,240
So maybe we can talk about that 
a little bit. 

1171
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,480
Like what? 
Where do you see Christian 

1172
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,960
tolerance being at play here? 
Because I know you just brought 

1173
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,680
up Camp of the Saints and that 
seems to be a sort of natural 

1174
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:14,240
kind of bookend to that. 
Well, you know, Tucker Carlson 

1175
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,840
just raised some eyebrows 
recently, like the last couple 

1176
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:21,280
days where he said how come it's
only white countries that don't 

1177
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,200
have a right? 
White people don't have a right 

1178
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,360
to have their own countries. 
Everybody else does. 

1179
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,480
We're not supposed to, though, 
because that's racist. 

1180
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,720
But it's not racist of, you 
know, Asian countries want to be

1181
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,840
Asian or African countries want 
to be African, But it's we're 

1182
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,080
bad. 
And of course, I think, you 

1183
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,720
know, a lot of this just frankly
anti white racism. 

1184
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:42,200
And there's the element of it 
and you know, who is it? 

1185
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,600
Somebody once said a liberal 
somebody won't take his own side

1186
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,400
in the fight. 
Is that that that there seems to

1187
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,840
be something. 
Let me back up a second. 

1188
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,320
I mean, you, you've heard of 
what they call the social 

1189
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,280
gospel, the idea that the 
purpose of Christianity is not 

1190
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,160
to change our relationship with 
God and reconcile us with God 

1191
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,320
and to change us inside, as we 
say, noetically theosis to 

1192
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,160
transform us, but rather it's to
transform society. 

1193
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,960
The idea that we're going to 
reform everything, you know, and

1194
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,360
we're we're going to abolish 
slavery, we're going to abolish 

1195
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,680
alcohol. 
We're going to, you know, make 

1196
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:21,240
everybody, you know, everybody 
rich by sharing the wealth and 

1197
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,880
through social programs and 
things like that so that somehow

1198
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,560
we can fix the world through 
social action, which by the way,

1199
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,480
is the same concept you find in 
Reformed Judaism like tikkun 

1200
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,720
olam. 
The idea repair the world. 

1201
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,920
The idea that we're going to, 
you know, so we'll make abortion

1202
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,800
legal and we'll have pornography
everywhere, and we'll have, you 

1203
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,240
know, LGBT flags everywhere. 
We're going to fix the world. 

1204
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:46,880
Well, what's your idea of fixing
the world? 

1205
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,040
I think that people who think of
Christianity in terms of fixing 

1206
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:56,680
the world never, you know, never
don't really know what 

1207
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,360
Christianity is. 
I mean, for example, you know, 

1208
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:04,800
in Roman law, before pre 
Christian Roman law, there were 

1209
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,320
there was death penalty for all 
sorts of crimes. 

1210
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,800
In the Roman Empires, it became 
more and more Christianized. 

1211
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,200
Fewer and fewer crimes were 
treated with a death penalty. 

1212
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,800
They tended to replace them with
corporal mutilation. 

1213
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,200
You know, if I write hand, 
offendi cut it off. 

1214
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,359
If I offendi, pluck it out. 
So they took that literally. 

1215
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,680
But it's not the death penalty. 
Now, there's nothing in the 

1216
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,040
Gospels, nothing in the 
Scriptures against the death 

1217
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,080
penalty, no matter what Pope 
Francis happens to think. 

1218
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,800
But there was a tendency over 
time, as people were, people 

1219
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,160
were changed internally, that 
they wanted to be more and more 

1220
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,840
merciful and kill fewer people 
when it wasn't necessary. 

1221
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,000
You know, the same thing had to 
happen with regard to our 

1222
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,080
attitude toward war, towards 
slavery. 

1223
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,960
There's nothing in the Gospel 
that says we can't go to war. 

1224
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,600
There's nothing in the Gospel 
says that slavery should be 

1225
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,560
abolished. 
But none the less, as the leaven

1226
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,520
of Christianity took root in 
people's souls, those things 

1227
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:04,040
became more problematic for us 
and tended to sort of fade away.

1228
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,359
I mean, there's, there's, you 
know, there's always a strong 

1229
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:09,760
impulse for peace in Christian 
countries, even when they go to 

1230
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,479
war. 
There was always a, you know 

1231
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:15,920
what, what far from the the 
civilization that spread slavery

1232
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,000
around the world. 
It was only Christian European 

1233
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,640
civilization that had any 
objection to it at all, ever who

1234
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,560
put a stop to it in in the 19th 
century, not only in the 

1235
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,359
Atlantic slave trade, but even 
cutting it off in the Indian 

1236
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:30,840
Ocean or by the by the Muslim 
slave traders. 

1237
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,240
So I think these people put the 
cart before the horse. 

1238
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,080
They say let's change society, 
let's fix this, let's fix that. 

1239
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,960
Rather than saying no, we fix 
you and me, we have to fix 

1240
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,920
ourselves. 
And as we fix ourselves, yeah, 

1241
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,279
then maybe things in the world 
will change for the better 

1242
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,800
because we also see the humanity
and other people. 

1243
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,279
But it doesn't mean I allow my 
house to be invaded. 

1244
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:51,840
I allow my country to be 
invaded. 

1245
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,680
I allow Barbarians to run 
rampant to rape women and do all

1246
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,560
sorts of things because, oh, you
know, I have to turn the other 

1247
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,320
cheek because I'm not turning my
cheek. 

1248
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,280
I'm turning somebody else's 
cheek to start with, so I think 

1249
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,880
there's a lot of that in there. 
Yeah, I think because a lot of 

1250
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,080
people have these arguments or 
these discussions from an 

1251
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,000
assumed frame that that's like, 
for example, like and, and 

1252
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,200
Christians fall into this as 
well, this idea of Christian 

1253
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,440
nationalism. 
It's a wonderful idea to float 

1254
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:16,960
around. 
The the only thing is you need a

1255
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,720
Christian nation to talk about 
Christian nationalism or you 

1256
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:25,120
need a bulwark, a plurality of 
Christian people and, you know, 

1257
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:26,640
pick your flavor of 
Christianity, let's say. 

1258
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,720
But when I was talking to to 
Curtis Jarvan a few years ago, 

1259
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,640
we're talking about order and 
substantiating order, you know, 

1260
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,360
almost any order will do at some
point. 

1261
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,000
And he said, yeah, you know, if 
you might be Orthodox Christian,

1262
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,520
but if you had to live in a 
Lutheran society, let's say, it 

1263
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,960
would still be something, right?
Like it's May. 

1264
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:49,440
Not be my. 
Personal. 

1265
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,920
Better than the Pagan 1, sure. 
Sure. 

1266
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,480
At the very least, and I think 
this is kind of what people 

1267
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:57,320
sleep on a little bit, there's 
two aspects of it. 

1268
01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:03,120
You need these boundaries in 
order to know what to do. 

1269
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:07,920
Like just even a moral standard 
to have that, you have to have a

1270
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,240
standard like at least like I 
said, if let's say you're living

1271
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,200
in a Lutheran society. 
OK, well, now I know if I know 

1272
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,600
what Lutherism is and I know 
what Luther, you know what 

1273
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,000
devout Lutherans are all about. 
I know kind of what to expect 

1274
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,000
from day-to-day or interactions,
even if I'm not Lutheran, right?

1275
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:29,000
The, the other thing that on a 
global scale, and we've seen 

1276
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:33,160
this play out time and time 
again with atheist or more, 

1277
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,280
let's say super secular 
societies, is that other 

1278
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,480
countries don't know what you're
about. 

1279
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,560
You lose your, I call it a 
Reggio. 

1280
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,800
You lose your rule or your, your
region and your religion. 

1281
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:48,200
The thing that binds and what 
that is offering people is like,

1282
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:52,040
OK, when you say American, I 
need to know what the hell that 

1283
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,280
is. 
You know, that should give you 

1284
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,440
me a, a, an idea of what you're 
about. 

1285
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,440
Or you say I'm Christian. 
OK, you know what's what is 

1286
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:03,440
that? 
And I need those frames of 

1287
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,160
reference to have any kind of 
trust. 

1288
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:10,200
I can't deal with you honestly 
if I can't trust you. 

1289
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,840
And I can't trust you if I don't
have any indication of what you 

1290
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:18,960
might do tomorrow. 
Is is your word worth anything? 

1291
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,400
And for people who are, you 
know, for cultures that are 

1292
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,440
religious looking at us like, 
well, you've given away your 

1293
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:26,960
God, why would I ever trust you?
So, yeah, I can. 

1294
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:28,600
I can mistreat you. 
I can. 

1295
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,160
Sure. 
I'll sign a deal. 

1296
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:31,280
Yeah. 
Whatever. 

1297
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:31,880
Yeah. 
I'm. 

1298
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:33,360
You know, I don't. 
I don't. 

1299
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:34,880
My word as a gentleman, 
certainly. 

1300
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:37,720
Absolutely. 
Or my or my as a Muslim or 

1301
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,360
anything else like you know, and
in some religions it be 

1302
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,440
perfectly okay for you for them 
to break treaties and deals 

1303
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,720
because they're not dealing with
people of the book. 

1304
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,360
So you know. 
Yeah. 

1305
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,840
And, and this is especially 
problematic for a country like 

1306
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,640
America, which has been 
welcoming of immigrants. 

1307
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,320
But the fact is, I mean, you, 
you and I both come from fairly 

1308
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,960
recent immigrant stock. 
But America was not founded by 

1309
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,120
Ukrainians or Greeks or Chinese 
or Indians or or Eskimos, 

1310
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:10,920
wherever else it was founded by 
Englishmen. 

1311
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,400
That's why we speak English here
and why we assimilate to that 

1312
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,040
kind of, you know, what they 
used to call a WASP identity. 

1313
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,720
And that's where we get this big
lie that America is not an 

1314
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,760
ethnic state. 
Our whole institutions resume 

1315
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,520
the ethnicity of the founders, 
which the rest of us who came 

1316
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,680
later more or less assimilate 
to, even though we may not be of

1317
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,240
that actual stock. 
But I mean, I don't look at 

1318
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,560
people like George Washington 
or, you know, Ulysses Grant or 

1319
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:40,600
Robert E Lee as foreigners. 
I look at them as my forebears, 

1320
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,760
as in my country, even though I 
don't share their blood. 

1321
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,840
And, you know, it's, you know, 
this has all been through tossed

1322
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,200
out the window that we, we've 
gone so far down the road of the

1323
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,120
idea that, oh, the only thing 
that ties us together is a, is 

1324
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,080
a, what is it a proposition? 
We're a proposition nation. 

1325
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,480
What's the proposition exactly? 
You know, it was, it was some 

1326
01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:04,320
highfalutin Enlightenment 
language and the Declaration of 

1327
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,560
Independence. 
That's what that's all this is. 

1328
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,760
Or maybe we're just an economy. 
We're just a bunch of people who

1329
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,200
are here to help increase the 
GDP. 

1330
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,000
I mean, you, you can't, you 
can't sustain a country like 

1331
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,760
that. 
No, I mean, again, this idea, if

1332
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,000
you're grounding it in, in the 
Enlightenment, well, you're then

1333
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,240
you're grounding it in 
anomalism. 

1334
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,600
So again, only thing that are 
that only thing that matters is 

1335
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,280
material. 
Everything else is, is subject 

1336
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,360
to change or or debate. 
So even everything else you're 

1337
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,440
basing on. 
So your science, your 

1338
01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:35,560
technology, your nationality, 
your laws, your rights, 

1339
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,160
everything that you would define
and that liberals will, will, 

1340
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,880
will, will, you know, the moton 
Bailey routine that will retreat

1341
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,960
to well, those don't actually 
really exist now, do they? 

1342
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,640
In anomalous frame, like you 
can't, there's no universalism. 

1343
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,320
You'll you'll make, you know, 
make some sort of passionate to 

1344
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,680
cry to universal human rights. 
But it's like, well, but in your

1345
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,160
framework, those can't exist. 
So. 

1346
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:02,640
Yeah, so how, how, how, how, how
do we not end up just being 

1347
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,240
another version version of New 
Soviet Man, right? 

1348
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,000
It's the same thing but a 
different name. 

1349
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:12,080
Absolutely. 
And I think it's we, we've seen 

1350
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,760
the Soviet experience and how 
that played out. 

1351
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,920
And I feel like we're speed 
running that throughout the 

1352
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:20,920
West. 
Hopefully America will, I pray 

1353
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:26,600
for America all the time that at
least one Western nation. 

1354
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,920
But of course, I lived out here 
in Australia and I'm, I'm always

1355
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,400
very cautious and respectful 
because I am an immigrant here. 

1356
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,320
So I'm being the good immigrant 
and saying I'm not speaking out 

1357
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:38,000
too much. 
But, you know, I, I don't have a

1358
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:43,320
whole lot of hope in some ways 
that Australia gets to have a 

1359
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,200
making Australia a great again 
moment. 

1360
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,520
You know, it's I'm preparing to 
learn a lot of a lot of Mandarin

1361
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,640
in the future because I feel 
that that's the likely direction

1362
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,360
that this. 
This well. 

1363
01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:02,600
You know I haven't was it I'm 
I'm I'm bad with my Chinese 

1364
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:08,080
anyways, so bring it back to 
Judas the the betrayer. 

1365
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:13,040
I mean, we'll circle this 
background to end this out 

1366
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,960
because if we talk about the 
installment, the installment, 

1367
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,400
the soul of the nation and 
something that Woodrow Wilson, 

1368
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:25,120
of course, start, you know, was 
the the figurehead for well, if 

1369
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,960
we if we can say this, a country
can have a soul, I think we can 

1370
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,240
say that the country can have a 
characteristic. 

1371
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,600
And I certainly think that this 
the archetype of the betrayer is

1372
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,560
being played out. 
And as I said before, if this is

1373
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:41,000
an American colossnose and 
things are being revealed, we're

1374
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,600
in this apocalypse. 
One of the things I've also 

1375
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,360
speculated is that, you know, in
small groups over the last, 

1376
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,040
let's say, 10 years, more and 
more people become the red pill.

1377
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,680
You know, as Yardville talks 
about this awareness of the lie,

1378
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,720
the awareness of the betrayal, 
the awareness of all these 

1379
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,040
things and people who've been 
being aware of being brought on 

1380
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,400
board of this over the last few 
years, myself included. 

1381
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:07,520
Well, we've had that period of 
time where we, we are on the out

1382
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,760
and most people didn't want to 
hear it or didn't believe us. 

1383
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,200
So we had to get a we kind of 
got accustomed to it. 

1384
01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:18,520
You know, you kind of, you see 
the lie everywhere. 

1385
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,520
And after a certain point you 
get past the anger, like, yeah, 

1386
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:24,040
well, they're lying again. 
You know, what is it? 

1387
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:25,440
Water's wet when today is 
Wednesday. 

1388
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:31,040
So you, so we've gone through 
that period of, of normalization

1389
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,520
with even within, within the 
stark realization of how 

1390
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:38,120
horrible it is, people who are 
being brought to it now are 

1391
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,160
being brought immediately to it 
now. 

1392
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,360
Like they're not getting those 
10 years, five years, whatever 

1393
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,080
of a customization to a 
normalization. 

1394
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:50,240
They're being, it's going to be 
shock therapy to which I think 

1395
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:55,480
that could be the real disaster 
with within within the populace.

1396
01:17:55,480 --> 01:18:02,120
Because, you know, I don't want 
to throw cold water on anyone's 

1397
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,120
celebrations for the what's 
going on in America. 

1398
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,920
But, and it's not just America 
we're talking about, of course, 

1399
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,080
but the response, I think, from 
the general public to this 

1400
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,880
sudden awareness might be the 
real disaster. 

1401
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,000
I don't know if you have 
anything. 

1402
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,600
Any ideas on that? 
Well, if I understand you 

1403
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,080
correctly is that it's one thing
to get red pilled, but if you're

1404
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:24,520
red pilled and also white 
pilled, the idea that some, you 

1405
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:28,040
know, OK, I've discovered 
everything that was being done 

1406
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,920
was a bunch of fraud and 
corruption, etcetera, etcetera. 

1407
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,160
But now, thank goodness, we're 
going to get to the bottom of 

1408
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:37,280
it's all going to get fixed. 
I don't think that's 

1409
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,240
appropriate. 
By the same token, I don't want 

1410
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:41,560
to sound too black pilled 
either. 

1411
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,720
I don't want to say it can't be 
fixed or it can't be 

1412
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,600
substantially improved. 
I don't think it's going to turn

1413
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,160
out as well as the white pilled.
You know you don't. 

1414
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:54,480
Trump is God types. 
I think it's going to be. 

1415
01:18:54,880 --> 01:19:00,480
But you know, it is nice to see 
something like an American 

1416
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:05,920
normalcy in an American spirit, 
not only rising up, but holding 

1417
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:10,160
some substantial levers of power
where those could prevail over 

1418
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:15,480
the deep seated deep, you know, 
just deep down corruption and 

1419
01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:18,720
all of our institutions and some
real vulnerabilities in the 

1420
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,080
whole system. 
I I'm still I'm still not real 

1421
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,640
optimistic that that can happen.
But I don't want to say it 

1422
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,280
can't. 
You know, I mean, I think you, 

1423
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:29,440
you know, maybe I'm Gray pilled.
I'm not neither black pilled or 

1424
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,520
white pilled, even though I'm 
red pilled. 

1425
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,280
Well, I will be Gray pilled with
you, Jim. 

1426
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,400
Ladies and gentlemen, Madame 
Messieurs, thank you so much. 

1427
01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:42,800
Brothers and sisters too. 
I, I, I got to work on my Chris 

1428
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,000
Hitchens. 
I feel like I can, I can, I can 

1429
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:50,040
get that tagline a little bit. 
Always a pleasure, Jim. 

1430
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:55,560
We'll be back next week. 
Of course, Jim Jotcher's book, I

1431
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,240
Try to Warn you, available on 
Amazon and all your fine 

1432
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,600
booksellers out there. 
It's an extremely good read. 

1433
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:06,040
I think maybe we should dedicate
a few shows coming up to picking

1434
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,880
apart some of your favourites. 
I I. 

1435
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,120
Always return, but maybe 
Confederate, Maybe the 

1436
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,760
Confederacy of Dunces, Maybe 
saving the world through 

1437
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,480
degeneracy. 
The world didn't the world 

1438
01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:21,120
didn't know that they needed a 
Jason marriage of Jim Jatra's 

1439
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,080
reading series of the 
Confederacy dunces. 

1440
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:24,840
But we can we can probably pull 
that off. 

1441
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,520
Jim. 
Any last thoughts, anything, any

1442
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,720
last things you'd like to say 
before we maybe before he? 

1443
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,000
No, no, just that, you know, 
there's it's, it's, it's really 

1444
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:39,040
been, you know, I hate to say 
it, anytime you say something on

1445
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,800
a program like this, you always 
feel it's going to be obsolete 

1446
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,120
the day after tomorrow because 
things are moving so fast. 

1447
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:48,200
There's so many surprises. 
It's like, how do you keep up 

1448
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,640
with it, you know? 
But hey, I'm happy to live in 

1449
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,080
times like this, you know, I 
mean, I'd rather have this and 

1450
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,480
the uncertainty that comes with 
it than just so it's all so 

1451
01:20:57,480 --> 01:21:00,520
predictable. 
It's all so boring and it's all 

1452
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:04,520
so sad, which is frankly what we
were looking at till, you know, 

1453
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:08,240
basically in November. 
Yeah, I mean, I, I said in the 

1454
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:12,240
show yesterday before I had 
listened to the Trump Congress 

1455
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:16,000
thing, but, you know, people 
were getting my only, you know, 

1456
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,400
maybe I'm just getting old, but 
I was warning people like, you 

1457
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,720
know, passions, like keep your 
passions dry, Don't get them too

1458
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,920
excited, but at the same time, 
be a little passionate. 

1459
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:30,160
It's OK. 
Like keep a cookie have. 

1460
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:31,720
A cookie. 
It's OK to have a cookie keep. 

1461
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,880
Keep your passions dry and keep 
your powder dry too. 

1462
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:35,920
Right. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1463
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:40,080
But, I mean, you know, it's OK 
to it's OK to to feel good about

1464
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,680
it as well. 
It's we live in exciting times. 

1465
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:47,200
So that's the that is something.
Ladies and gentlemen, Madame 

1466
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,640
Mesura's brothers and sisters. 
Thank you so much. 

1467
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,320
He is Jim Jatra's. 
I am Jason Maranchuk. 

1468
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:58,920
And it is later than you think. 
Yay.