1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:08,400 Hi Thomas. So it's been a situation that's 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:14,440 happened a few days ago. Hamas out of Gaza has both 3 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,800 invaded Israel, taking some hostages, shot a bunch of 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,440 people, retreated back into Gaza, and now Israel's 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,320 responding. Some people think this is sort 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,950 of World War 3. Some people believe that this is 7 00:00:28,950 --> 00:00:36,030 all one big giant conspiracy from all the Israeli side to to 8 00:00:36,070 --> 00:00:40,630 allow them to annihilate Gaza. Other people believe this is a 9 00:00:40,630 --> 00:00:44,710 symbol or a symptom of a general competency crisis. 10 00:00:45,190 --> 00:00:50,750 And it's showing that Israel is not as strong as we once were 11 00:00:50,750 --> 00:00:55,760 led to believe. So we brought Thomas on because 12 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,760 I couldn't think of anyone else better to talk about this in the 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:04,120 at least in this sort of initial burst of activities to share his 14 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,880 thoughts. I think we're prerecording this. 15 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,360 Usually we do these things live. We don't know what's going on 16 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,760 with YouTube and censors and all the rest of it. 17 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,040 I don't want anyone ever to have to protect their words or say 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,400 anything that they don't think it's true. 19 00:01:19,420 --> 00:01:20,780 So we'll just have the conversation. 20 00:01:20,780 --> 00:01:23,140 And this may pop up on YouTube and might pop up on some other 21 00:01:23,140 --> 00:01:23,900 places. Who knows? 22 00:01:25,340 --> 00:01:31,860 Thomas, thanks again for coming on thoughts in general on the 23 00:01:31,860 --> 00:01:42,420 Israeli Hamas conflict. There's there's three layers 24 00:01:42,420 --> 00:01:46,220 here that conceptually they need to be addressed. 25 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:53,760 And within one of those layers, there's a couple main subjects 26 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,880 that need to be addressed. There's a, there's a military 27 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:02,560 and strategic aspect to this. There's a political aspect and 28 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:09,880 there's a there's a historical aspect that is impacting affairs 29 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,520 globally today. And within that political 30 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,360 aspect, it's not a normal war and peace paradigm. 31 00:02:18,210 --> 00:02:19,850 Israel's a totally abnormal state. 32 00:02:19,850 --> 00:02:21,970 I don't think that's controversial. 33 00:02:22,410 --> 00:02:29,490 Even people don't agree with my views and values shouldn't find 34 00:02:29,490 --> 00:02:32,850 that controversial. Ernst Nolte made the point, and 35 00:02:32,850 --> 00:02:35,810 Martin Grant. Martin van Creveld, the Dutch 36 00:02:35,850 --> 00:02:40,650 Israeli historian, stipulated this directly, citing Nolte 37 00:02:40,650 --> 00:02:45,470 Okay. Israel, the Soviet Union and the 38 00:02:45,470 --> 00:02:48,270 Third Reich were totally abnormal States and just value 39 00:02:48,270 --> 00:02:50,430 neutral terms. They weren't normal countries 40 00:02:51,590 --> 00:02:57,310 and they all developed in dialogue with each other and out 41 00:02:57,310 --> 00:03:01,070 of a out of a zeitgeist of crisis. 42 00:03:01,470 --> 00:03:07,430 Okay, that discreetly impacted the. 43 00:03:09,020 --> 00:03:12,020 Radicalized populations that created those respective 44 00:03:12,140 --> 00:03:16,420 political cultures. The only one of those states 45 00:03:16,420 --> 00:03:21,540 that still exist is Israel. That's one of the reasons why. 46 00:03:21,540 --> 00:03:25,940 I mean, America's policy corridors have totally been Co 47 00:03:25,940 --> 00:03:29,580 opted by Zionist interests. I mean that goes out of saying, 48 00:03:29,700 --> 00:03:31,620 but one of the reasons. But that aside, one of the 49 00:03:31,620 --> 00:03:34,180 reasons why the way people talk about Israel doesn't make any 50 00:03:34,180 --> 00:03:36,460 sense is because I don't think they truly understand this 51 00:03:36,460 --> 00:03:38,510 conceptually. I mean, I don't think people 52 00:03:38,510 --> 00:03:40,750 really understand politics any meaningful way generally. 53 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:44,430 I mean, not because I'm so smart that I do, but this is pretty 54 00:03:44,470 --> 00:03:47,990 much all I do. Israel's not a, quote, UN quote 55 00:03:47,990 --> 00:03:49,910 democracy. That doesn't make any sense. 56 00:03:50,030 --> 00:03:53,830 Okay, it's not a democracy in kind of the Aristotelian sense. 57 00:03:54,070 --> 00:03:56,510 It's not a democracy in kind of like the liberal shorthand 58 00:03:56,510 --> 00:03:58,630 sense. And like nobody, like nobody in 59 00:03:58,630 --> 00:04:01,110 the Israeli government or no, like hardcore Zionists would 60 00:04:01,110 --> 00:04:03,190 like suggest that. So that's just bizarre. 61 00:04:03,190 --> 00:04:08,440 That doesn't make any sense. Like, nor is Israel kind of 62 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,320 this, like Rhodesia or South Africa kind of like realist, 63 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,560 like racial state that's trying to manage, you know, kind of the 64 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,480 reality of an emboldened, like colored world or during the cold 65 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,720 world we call Third World. Like, they're not dead either. 66 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,560 Like Zionism is a premise done that okay. 67 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:32,680 It's premised on this idea that the Jews are discreet and 68 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,480 insular people, unlike all other people. 69 00:04:36,690 --> 00:04:39,810 They're uniquely threatened in existential terms by everybody 70 00:04:39,810 --> 00:04:43,490 else. Nobody else really has a 71 00:04:43,490 --> 00:04:47,490 legitimate right to racial posterity or, like, blood 72 00:04:47,490 --> 00:04:50,250 posterity, if I'm looking like that, except for Jews. 73 00:04:51,890 --> 00:04:55,690 It's absolutely imperative that this kind of right to that 74 00:04:55,690 --> 00:05:03,930 posterity be protected at all costs and that that's completely 75 00:05:04,010 --> 00:05:08,380 at odds with. Not just kind of hard, hard and 76 00:05:08,380 --> 00:05:11,620 fast like realist logic, but it's totally at odds with what 77 00:05:11,620 --> 00:05:18,660 kind of the prevailing like value system is of globalism. 78 00:05:20,220 --> 00:05:22,420 Just in like, just like on its own terms. 79 00:05:22,420 --> 00:05:25,100 Okay. However, it's inextricably bound 80 00:05:25,100 --> 00:05:27,510 up with that. And that's why I'm always making 81 00:05:27,510 --> 00:05:30,630 the point that, you know, much of it seems to be like at odds 82 00:05:30,630 --> 00:05:33,510 with kind of like, you know, the global liberal paradigm, what I 83 00:05:33,510 --> 00:05:35,950 think of as the social engineering Nuremberg paradigm, 84 00:05:36,230 --> 00:05:38,430 it's actually like an inextricable like component of 85 00:05:38,430 --> 00:05:41,510 it, but it's something that people don't like to discuss 86 00:05:41,510 --> 00:05:44,070 openly, like the minority that does actually understand the 87 00:05:44,070 --> 00:05:48,350 nuances of it, because that raises some, that raises 88 00:05:48,350 --> 00:05:53,030 contradictions that can't really be mitigated by appeals to. 89 00:05:54,110 --> 00:05:55,830 You know, the kind of self-contained ethics of the 90 00:05:55,830 --> 00:05:58,790 aforementioned system, but that's that's the way to 91 00:05:58,790 --> 00:06:00,830 understand Israel. That's what I can always say to 92 00:06:00,830 --> 00:06:02,590 people and I'll bring it back in a minute. 93 00:06:02,590 --> 00:06:04,350 I don't want to proselytize or something. 94 00:06:04,910 --> 00:06:07,430 People are like, oh, I don't care what all those savages do. 95 00:06:07,430 --> 00:06:09,430 It's like, well, you better care man, because you're under, 96 00:06:09,470 --> 00:06:11,150 you're being ruled by these people, okay. 97 00:06:11,710 --> 00:06:14,750 And what you're talking about the war in Ukraine, we're 98 00:06:14,750 --> 00:06:18,230 talking about the war in Syria. And by the way, like the reason 99 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:21,870 why, the reason why, the reason why? 100 00:06:23,260 --> 00:06:26,020 The reason why American Israel went all in against Russia and 101 00:06:26,020 --> 00:06:28,300 Ukraine is because of what happened in Syria, by the way. 102 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:30,780 OK, so you can pretend like you don't care about that. 103 00:06:30,780 --> 00:06:35,020 But they if that's if that's really the case, like don't 104 00:06:35,020 --> 00:06:38,260 don't complain about wokism. Don't complain about, you know, 105 00:06:38,260 --> 00:06:40,260 like the excess of the Bite administration. 106 00:06:40,420 --> 00:06:42,860 Like, don't complain about these crazy people like Lindsey 107 00:06:42,860 --> 00:06:44,940 Graham. Just like targeting half the 108 00:06:44,940 --> 00:06:46,820 countries in the world for annihilation, for being 109 00:06:46,820 --> 00:06:49,060 insufficiently like woke or something. 110 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:51,460 Because it's all like bound together within the same kind of 111 00:06:51,460 --> 00:06:57,500 like conceptual Nexus, Okay. But to bring it back, what's 112 00:06:57,540 --> 00:07:02,900 different about this conflict cycle from previous ones between 113 00:07:03,740 --> 00:07:08,020 Israel and all of their neighbors since 1948? 114 00:07:10,060 --> 00:07:15,940 I believe that clearly I think Hamas is performing better than 115 00:07:15,940 --> 00:07:23,160 they have before and. In large parts the the, the 116 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,320 sectarian, the kind of terribly saying what every sectarian 117 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,480 division between XI and Sunni at least unlimited operational 118 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,400 terms, has been overcome Okay, because Hezbollah and Hamas and 119 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,600 Hezbollah is probably the best infantry element in the Middle 120 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:37,200 East. Okay. 121 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,920 If it's not arguable. Like again, being Preveld, he 122 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,850 like stipulates that okay. They are very, very tough. 123 00:07:44,850 --> 00:07:48,730 They're a real fighting force. They're not just like ragtags or 124 00:07:48,850 --> 00:07:51,370 or or like crazy jihadis or something. 125 00:07:51,850 --> 00:07:55,050 They're not even like really in that culture. 126 00:07:55,050 --> 00:07:58,570 I mean they're they're they're overwhelmingly Shia for, you 127 00:07:58,570 --> 00:08:02,090 know, for one. But it it's long been the the 128 00:08:02,090 --> 00:08:07,090 claim by people who would be in a position to know that Hamas 129 00:08:07,090 --> 00:08:09,370 has been drilling with Hezbollah and there's been some 130 00:08:09,410 --> 00:08:11,130 operational integration there, Okay. 131 00:08:12,530 --> 00:08:15,570 And at least at like company level, like Hamas scenes, 132 00:08:15,570 --> 00:08:17,810 they've like gotten its, its, its acts together. 133 00:08:17,810 --> 00:08:20,490 OK. So that's what's different. 134 00:08:20,970 --> 00:08:24,490 At the same time kind of the myth of like Israeli like 135 00:08:24,490 --> 00:08:28,290 superiority on the battlefield, that's kind of an overstated, I 136 00:08:28,290 --> 00:08:32,610 mean 1973 kind of like kind of like squashed that sensibility, 137 00:08:33,010 --> 00:08:34,010 OK. And that's one of the reasons 138 00:08:34,010 --> 00:08:37,409 why the Camp David, of course, became so imperative, because I 139 00:08:37,409 --> 00:08:39,730 mean, first of all, like removed Egypt from the Soviet camp. 140 00:08:40,470 --> 00:08:43,470 But it also it like Israel basically realized like we've 141 00:08:43,470 --> 00:08:45,870 got a kind of negotiating table with some of these people, okay, 142 00:08:45,870 --> 00:08:51,510 because it's not manageable. So what's different now, again, 143 00:08:51,510 --> 00:08:55,030 is the operational sophistication of the OP for 144 00:08:55,630 --> 00:08:59,470 that Israel is fighting. But also there's a basic 145 00:08:59,470 --> 00:09:02,510 irrationality that's unprecedented to America and 146 00:09:02,510 --> 00:09:05,620 Israel these days. You know, like I and you see 147 00:09:05,620 --> 00:09:07,900 this in the Ukraine war too, like how everyone would feel the 148 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:10,460 Ukraine war, this is just being allowed to continue in 149 00:09:10,460 --> 00:09:13,220 perpetuity. Like that's not, that's not how 150 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:15,380 you manage politics. So how do you manage war and 151 00:09:15,380 --> 00:09:17,180 peace? You know, you don't just say 152 00:09:17,180 --> 00:09:20,540 like Moscow is evil and we're going to drag this war out as 153 00:09:20,540 --> 00:09:23,260 long as absolutely as long as possible like that. 154 00:09:23,260 --> 00:09:24,860 That's irrational. That's not what you do. 155 00:09:25,540 --> 00:09:29,950 You know you don't saying, you know, Netanyahu is saying. 1 156 00:09:29,950 --> 00:09:34,150 billion people are all evil and they hate us and we will never 157 00:09:34,150 --> 00:09:38,070 stop fighting them because anti-Semitism, that's not 158 00:09:38,070 --> 00:09:40,550 rational and that's not sustainable. 159 00:09:41,990 --> 00:09:46,590 The only real comparable paradigm what Israel's dealing 160 00:09:46,590 --> 00:09:53,390 with is what South Africa was dealing with from PW BOTA until 161 00:09:53,390 --> 00:09:56,110 the end of the existence of the Bo Republic. 162 00:09:56,270 --> 00:09:58,430 Like, I'm not saying there's like moral equivalence between 163 00:09:58,430 --> 00:10:00,860 the two countries. Obviously, my sympathy is with 164 00:10:01,620 --> 00:10:03,180 African honors. I mean, they're quite literally 165 00:10:03,180 --> 00:10:05,100 like my people. I mean, they're reformed and 166 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:09,380 they're, you know, Germanic and, you know, they're they're 167 00:10:09,380 --> 00:10:13,180 they're they're a pioneer population like us in America. 168 00:10:13,740 --> 00:10:17,820 But aside more of that, like, there was always more of an 169 00:10:17,820 --> 00:10:21,660 interdependence between white S Africans, you know, it's like 170 00:10:21,660 --> 00:10:23,780 Clive Ruby Lewis said. There's not like white S 171 00:10:23,780 --> 00:10:26,430 Africans and black people. You know, there's dozens of 172 00:10:26,430 --> 00:10:28,990 ethnicities in South Africa like, some of which were 173 00:10:28,990 --> 00:10:32,030 adjacent to the white minority, some of which were neutral to 174 00:10:32,030 --> 00:10:34,910 it, some of which were actively, actively at war with it. 175 00:10:35,550 --> 00:10:40,270 But there was never anybody in South Africa, except maybe the 176 00:10:40,270 --> 00:10:42,830 most unhinged Yahoo. There's no advert government who 177 00:10:42,830 --> 00:10:46,030 said we're going to, like, perpetually wage war on every 178 00:10:46,030 --> 00:10:49,310 black ethnicity because they hate us and we will never 179 00:10:49,310 --> 00:10:52,750 surrender or give a single inch. Like, you can't conduct politics 180 00:10:52,750 --> 00:10:54,670 that way. You just can't. 181 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:56,880 You know you can't. You can't declare. 182 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,040 You can't declare. Everybody but me is evil. 183 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,680 I will never negotiate under any circumstances. 184 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,680 But that's a uniquely Zionist thing to do. 185 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,520 Like nobody else thinks that way. 186 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,800 Like to think that way. You've got to believe in some 187 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,880 deep and axiomatic way. No one else is really human. 188 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,000 Nobody else has a legitimate claim to anything. 189 00:11:18,500 --> 00:11:22,660 You know, nobody else is is is acting in a way I must abide for 190 00:11:22,660 --> 00:11:26,740 any reason at all, because only I matter, You know, only my 191 00:11:26,740 --> 00:11:30,940 ambitions are valid, and beyond that I simply don't need to 192 00:11:30,940 --> 00:11:34,740 abide anybody else's claims, even for pragmatic or reasons or 193 00:11:34,740 --> 00:11:38,580 basic reasons of of physical security, because I am always 194 00:11:38,580 --> 00:11:40,580 right and everyone else is always wrong. 195 00:11:40,740 --> 00:11:42,260 Like that's literally the way these people think. 196 00:11:42,260 --> 00:11:44,420 I'm not just like being funny or something. 197 00:11:44,420 --> 00:11:49,070 So that's. That's my basic takedown, kind 198 00:11:49,070 --> 00:11:50,310 of. I realize there's a lot there, 199 00:11:50,310 --> 00:11:52,990 but, you know, yeah. And I don't. 200 00:11:53,790 --> 00:11:55,870 Well, no. I think what just to jump in for 201 00:11:55,870 --> 00:12:00,590 a second, I think what underscores it is that is that 202 00:12:00,790 --> 00:12:04,510 we've seen now over the last since 2020. 203 00:12:04,510 --> 00:12:06,830 Really. This what I call sort of 204 00:12:06,830 --> 00:12:11,550 Saturday morning cartoon logic being applied to health issues, 205 00:12:11,550 --> 00:12:17,650 to the war in Ukraine and now the situation with Hamas where 206 00:12:18,170 --> 00:12:23,090 people are saying truly outrageously stupid things as 207 00:12:23,090 --> 00:12:28,450 you said, like a war to end, no to a never ending war that has 208 00:12:28,450 --> 00:12:32,810 no end goal, has no, seemingly has no other point other than 209 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:34,890 other than to mass murder people. 210 00:12:35,290 --> 00:12:38,170 That seems to be the only like we can just look at the Ukraine 211 00:12:38,170 --> 00:12:45,130 situation like Bachmot still is is a I I I strained my brain to 212 00:12:45,290 --> 00:12:47,610 to to to conceive of a reason for it. 213 00:12:48,250 --> 00:12:51,610 You know you have to almost make up stuff that is also Saturday 214 00:12:51,610 --> 00:12:54,290 morning cartoon stuff, like maybe there's something hidden 215 00:12:54,290 --> 00:12:56,490 in the salt mines. Maybe there's like there must be 216 00:12:56,490 --> 00:12:59,370 something else right because you strain for rationale. 217 00:12:59,690 --> 00:13:04,530 Why would Why would a country send its people into a into a 218 00:13:04,530 --> 00:13:09,170 meat grinder for nothing, for a for a podunk town that that they 219 00:13:09,170 --> 00:13:10,930 used to have a salt line in it like it doesn't? 220 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:12,810 It doesn't conceivably make any sense, but. 221 00:13:12,850 --> 00:13:15,730 It's also like in the case for Israel, like, I made the point 222 00:13:15,730 --> 00:13:17,410 of view before. Look, if you don't like Arabs or 223 00:13:17,410 --> 00:13:19,570 Muslims, I do. And a lot of them are my 224 00:13:19,570 --> 00:13:21,090 comrades. If you don't like them, that's 225 00:13:21,090 --> 00:13:22,210 fine. You don't like anybody, You 226 00:13:22,210 --> 00:13:24,370 don't want to. But if you're going to sit 227 00:13:24,370 --> 00:13:26,930 around, it's, you know, Gaza literally is an open air prison, 228 00:13:27,410 --> 00:13:30,130 Okay like it is. It's a giant concentration camp. 229 00:13:30,170 --> 00:13:31,690 It's high. Probably that's what it is, 230 00:13:32,530 --> 00:13:34,960 Okay. These people are basically under 231 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,000 a permanent blockade and an opener of prison. 232 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,160 You know, it doesn't mean to me they feel bad about that. 233 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,240 Doesn't mean you need to sympathize for these people. 234 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,400 But saying like, those people are savages and folk, all of 235 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,560 them, you know, if you're going to be a bigot man, like you have 236 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:48,920 big and favor your own people, don't be some, like, fucking 237 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,680 dumb Hick and like decide you're going to be like a bigger Jewish 238 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:54,480 bigot than Jews themselves. I mean like that's that. 239 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,040 This is like fucking asinine. And it's also, again, it's like, 240 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,160 you know, there's something. You, you know, you like, like 241 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,880 these people in Gaza. You know, unless, unless people 242 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,360 are truly talking about, God forbid like the political will 243 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,520 and technology to like kill every single one of these people 244 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,840 or beyond that they kill literally 1 billion people who 245 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,320 populate Dar al Islam, you're going to have to deal with these 246 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,400 people. That's reality, OK? 247 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,680 Adults within reality understand that. 248 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,240 And that's saying fuck everybody else, I'm going to kill you as 249 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,920 long as I can. That's not that's not policy. 250 00:14:30,610 --> 00:14:36,810 You know, and also I'll add, you know, you mentioned before we 251 00:14:36,810 --> 00:14:40,490 went live about the communcy crisis and its relationship to 252 00:14:42,050 --> 00:14:47,810 to military affairs. One of the reasons, I'm sure I 253 00:14:47,810 --> 00:14:50,250 mean, I that Israel does not have meaningful human 254 00:14:50,250 --> 00:14:53,730 intelligence, which, despite what people claim, still 255 00:14:53,730 --> 00:14:56,250 matters, especially if you're talking about a literal like 256 00:14:56,250 --> 00:15:00,860 racial war. You know where where people live 257 00:15:00,940 --> 00:15:02,420 quite literally on top of each other. 258 00:15:02,780 --> 00:15:05,100 You know if you're going to, if you're going to, if you're going 259 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:08,860 to try and like erect like brand apartheid between populations 260 00:15:09,060 --> 00:15:13,300 and just absolutely refuse like any any kind of meaningful 261 00:15:14,020 --> 00:15:15,900 negotiation. You know, it's just to achieve 262 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:18,500 some kind of peace at distance like you're not, you're not 263 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:22,620 going to be able to understand the strategic paradigm as it 264 00:15:22,620 --> 00:15:24,460 impacts you in very intimate terms. 265 00:15:25,020 --> 00:15:27,100 And since we're a being was assassinated, that's like a 266 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:30,790 whole other issue. But the course Israel produced 267 00:15:30,790 --> 00:15:33,950 some fairly competent statesman, like whatever I think about 268 00:15:33,950 --> 00:15:37,590 Israel, anything else, you know, before the mid 1990s, like after 269 00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:40,670 Rabin was killed, that really was the ascendancy of leekhood 270 00:15:40,670 --> 00:15:43,510 and permanent capacities. And I'm not, I'm not saying 271 00:15:43,510 --> 00:15:45,630 there's like I don't want to get into, like whether like why he 272 00:15:45,630 --> 00:15:47,830 was killed or really loves conspiracy people have drunk 273 00:15:47,830 --> 00:15:49,350 things with that. That's not my point. 274 00:15:49,990 --> 00:15:51,310 Like something went to that event. 275 00:15:51,830 --> 00:15:54,870 Like, like Netanyahu, Is that me? 276 00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:57,550 Like a crook, The guy, just there's something wrong with 277 00:15:57,550 --> 00:15:59,800 him. You know, like he's not, he's 278 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,800 not an intelligent person and he's not a reasoned guy and he's 279 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,840 certainly not a man you want as warlord. 280 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,000 You know, like Sharon, Sharon might have been a terrible 281 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,520 person and like, not a good guy. But before he became elderly and 282 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,840 kind of and and kind of compromised by, you know, his 283 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,920 people doing to get old, you know, he was a career military 284 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,400 man. And you know, they did, however 285 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,420 objectionable. And you know in the long term 286 00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:29,580 like leakage orientation towards the problem was you know at 287 00:16:29,580 --> 00:16:32,260 least like one could say that like wasn't about a rationality 288 00:16:32,260 --> 00:16:36,020 of of of of operational military affairs like Sharon like had his 289 00:16:36,020 --> 00:16:38,300 shit together. I mean like net Netanyahu is a 290 00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:41,700 fucking buffoon. You know he's, he really is. 291 00:16:41,780 --> 00:16:43,860 You know. And it's I don't, I don't see 292 00:16:43,860 --> 00:16:48,260 how a man like that and you know like a crony cabinet around him 293 00:16:48,780 --> 00:16:52,460 can see their way out of this. But, you know, it's also, I 294 00:16:52,460 --> 00:16:54,060 mean, the amazing thing about Israel is. 295 00:16:54,940 --> 00:16:58,020 I think Michael Sawyer, I mean, sometimes he seems unhinged, but 296 00:16:58,020 --> 00:17:00,820 I think sometimes during the Iraq War especially, I think he 297 00:17:00,820 --> 00:17:03,780 was, I think he was doing God's work. 298 00:17:03,780 --> 00:17:06,540 But he, he made the point years back. 299 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:09,099 How can you make an enemy of everybody? 300 00:17:09,099 --> 00:17:11,020 You're at war with the Shia, You're at war with the Sunni, 301 00:17:11,020 --> 00:17:12,099 you're at war with the Christians. 302 00:17:12,099 --> 00:17:13,980 You're worth the Arab, you're worth the Persian, You're worth 303 00:17:13,980 --> 00:17:17,180 the like, you're literally not, not at war with anybody. 304 00:17:17,579 --> 00:17:19,420 I mean, like, how is that sustainable, man? 305 00:17:19,460 --> 00:17:21,859 You know, like doesn't make you some kind of, like, base badass 306 00:17:21,859 --> 00:17:24,380 or some kind of? You know, or some kind of like a 307 00:17:24,380 --> 00:17:28,500 lone Spartan contingent, You know, against all odds. 308 00:17:28,660 --> 00:17:32,180 It makes you crazy or it makes you suicidal or makes you like 309 00:17:32,180 --> 00:17:35,060 self defeatingly incompetent. You know, I mean I think that's 310 00:17:35,860 --> 00:17:38,700 it wasn't rambling a bit but that's yeah, man, I mean these 311 00:17:38,740 --> 00:17:40,220 things are all very well. No, but it's. 312 00:17:40,460 --> 00:17:43,340 But I think it underscores, it underscores this, this sort of 313 00:17:43,340 --> 00:17:44,620 ideas. Like, you know, one of the 314 00:17:44,620 --> 00:17:49,060 things that I got very good at, especially with the Ukraine 315 00:17:49,060 --> 00:17:52,170 Russia thing, and I think it's because when media reports 316 00:17:52,170 --> 00:17:54,410 started started talking, it was something that I have been 317 00:17:54,410 --> 00:17:57,130 following for 30 odd years. Sure. 318 00:17:57,370 --> 00:17:59,610 And when media reports started coming out and talking about 319 00:18:01,690 --> 00:18:04,610 Putin acting in ways that Putin has never acted, I was like, oh, 320 00:18:04,610 --> 00:18:05,850 so you're talking about Bill Putin? 321 00:18:05,890 --> 00:18:08,850 Like, this isn't Vladimir Putin, This is some other guy. 322 00:18:08,850 --> 00:18:10,490 This is Rob Putin or whatever, who? 323 00:18:10,490 --> 00:18:12,250 I don't know who. You're talking about or like 324 00:18:12,330 --> 00:18:16,890 Daryl Putin, like my cousin from the Hood or whatever, right? 325 00:18:17,210 --> 00:18:20,890 And it's amazing to me how propaganda works until it hits 326 00:18:20,890 --> 00:18:23,810 you and it hits up against your actual knowledge about a 327 00:18:23,810 --> 00:18:26,810 situation. You're like, no, no, what are 328 00:18:26,810 --> 00:18:29,570 you just talking about? The same thing with Israel now, 329 00:18:29,570 --> 00:18:33,190 I feel is that, you know, when I first saw the reports, you're 330 00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:35,350 automatically going, well, wait, where was where's the IDF? 331 00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:36,270 Where's this? Where's that? 332 00:18:36,270 --> 00:18:38,430 You know, where's the intelligence like this? 333 00:18:38,430 --> 00:18:40,630 We're always told this is world class intelligence. 334 00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:42,470 And then you catch yourself saying it, you're like, wait a 335 00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:46,070 minute, how do I know that? And why do I know that? 336 00:18:46,350 --> 00:18:50,110 And more importantly, why do I want this to be true? 337 00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:53,110 Because almost everything in the media narrative structure is 338 00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:55,750 based on that. You want something to be true 339 00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:59,190 for some reason. You desire this thing and it's 340 00:18:59,190 --> 00:19:01,430 going to feed you the information that confirms that 341 00:19:01,430 --> 00:19:04,110 desire. That Israel's this badass 342 00:19:04,110 --> 00:19:08,310 country in the Middle East, that you know, the IDF and and the 343 00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:12,430 intelligence services out of Mossad is just like, you know, 344 00:19:12,430 --> 00:19:14,750 all knowing, all seeing can do everything. 345 00:19:14,750 --> 00:19:17,430 And you better not screw with these guys cuz they're they're 346 00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:20,710 they're total badasses. In reality it might just be a 347 00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:24,030 bunch of 19 year old girls who don't want to go serve in the 348 00:19:24,030 --> 00:19:28,150 military who are now you know who are who you might be in a 349 00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:34,430 situation where your operative army is has a competency crisis 350 00:19:34,430 --> 00:19:38,870 you've there's one report out of that I mentioned before went 351 00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:42,350 live that it's quite possible that that Israel's low on 352 00:19:42,350 --> 00:19:46,340 artillery so their iron shield doesn't have the MIT right 353 00:19:46,340 --> 00:19:49,660 missiles they don't have enough artillery to just to just attack 354 00:19:50,060 --> 00:19:53,380 Gaza from a distance Hamas has now taken. 355 00:19:54,340 --> 00:19:56,740 They've been waging, they've been they've been waging a war 356 00:19:57,060 --> 00:20:00,980 against Syria for no particular reason for you know a decade and 357 00:20:00,980 --> 00:20:03,860 a half. I mean like it, which, which 358 00:20:03,860 --> 00:20:06,540 again, like I said, and I mean the fact that they the fact that 359 00:20:06,540 --> 00:20:09,140 they got their face broken by Russia and Hezbollah. 360 00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:15,390 In in Syria I mean that that's why they went all in against 361 00:20:15,390 --> 00:20:19,990 Russia and Ukraine when they did but it But with regards as in 362 00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:22,110 regards to the Assad and intelligence matter. 363 00:20:22,110 --> 00:20:25,390 I I firmly believe like I said I'm not I haven't visited the 364 00:20:25,390 --> 00:20:32,790 Holy Land but I but I do I I do know a fair amount of guys who 365 00:20:32,790 --> 00:20:37,930 are from there who are there now not in the battle space but like 366 00:20:37,930 --> 00:20:41,490 guys no live on told me you know in the past 30 years especially 367 00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:43,770 like you don't really associate like if you're if you're a 368 00:20:43,770 --> 00:20:47,530 Moslem or if you're a Christian you don't really associate with 369 00:20:47,530 --> 00:20:51,410 Israelis like you used to like these people used to whatever 370 00:20:51,410 --> 00:20:54,490 the bad blood was whatever the wider political paradigm. 371 00:20:54,850 --> 00:20:57,330 You know whatever kind of apartheid features kind of drove 372 00:20:57,330 --> 00:21:01,890 a wedge between you know people in in kind of common spaces. 373 00:21:02,350 --> 00:21:06,030 There was a basic you know they'd socialize in some basic 374 00:21:06,030 --> 00:21:09,230 way and of course you know there there'd be the odd kind of like 375 00:21:09,230 --> 00:21:13,430 marriage across the ethnic racial sectarian line. 376 00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:17,350 But I mean, the less that happens, like, the less you're 377 00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:20,910 going to be able to insinuate yourself into these spaces. 378 00:21:20,910 --> 00:21:23,710 And you're not really going to know what what what you're not 379 00:21:23,710 --> 00:21:24,590 going to. You're not going to have a 380 00:21:24,590 --> 00:21:27,790 conceptual picture of like what what the what what the Gaza 381 00:21:27,790 --> 00:21:30,470 Street is doing. And it's also too literally like 382 00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:34,570 I said, I'm not, I don't resort to hyperbole, man, unless I'm 383 00:21:34,570 --> 00:21:38,530 like making fun of stuff. The Gaza Strip is literally an 384 00:21:38,530 --> 00:21:41,370 opener of prison, Israel's disengagement from it. 385 00:21:42,050 --> 00:21:43,930 There's this kind of, there's this, there's this kind of like 386 00:21:43,930 --> 00:21:47,770 Demilitarized Zone, like Barrier Strip that's hyper militarized 387 00:21:48,290 --> 00:21:54,130 that that Palestinians are forbidden to transverse. 388 00:21:55,530 --> 00:21:58,010 There's essentially like a permanent embargo on it. 389 00:21:58,370 --> 00:22:00,770 You know in terms of essential goods. 390 00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:05,270 The only majority of people who live there, other people who 391 00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:08,790 were displaced by the ethnic cleansing operation from 1946 to 392 00:22:08,830 --> 00:22:13,750 1949, it's it's it's an it's like an iron cage. 393 00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:15,950 That's the term like Rashi Khalidi used for it. 394 00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:18,350 Okay. So if you're basically, if 395 00:22:18,350 --> 00:22:21,670 you're basically treating these people like you're a warden or 396 00:22:21,670 --> 00:22:25,430 you're a jail cop and there are your charges, you don't you 397 00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:27,230 don't know what they're up to. Like, you're not, you're not 398 00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:32,360 getting good human intelligence. And if your notion is we don't 399 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:35,080 have to deal with these people because we're Israel and fuck 400 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,560 everybody else on the planet, you know you're not going to 401 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,120 have the psychology for that either. 402 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,720 Like, if you want to, if you understand people, if you have 403 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,040 to like, walk among them, OK? And like, if you're not in their 404 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,160 race, there's always going to be like barriers, but they are 405 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,320 going to like, come to like you even like, in spite of 406 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,400 themselves, OK? And they are going to like get 407 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,200 comfortable at least around you and you're going to like pick up 408 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,320 like tells. You're going to like overhear 409 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,160 things. You know, you're going to like 410 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,520 observe pattern even among like very insular peoples. 411 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,280 And in the Middle East, I mean, they're like the insular of 412 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,920 insular peoples, frankly, a lot of these populations. 413 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,840 So you're never going to have like a complete picture, kind of 414 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,400 like their cultural mind, but you are going to discern when at 415 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,800 least when things change or or when the kind of like war drums 416 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,200 are sounding around Gaza in like subtle ways. 417 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,520 And I don't believe Israel can do that anymore for reasons I 418 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,920 said. But again, I've not been there 419 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,010 on the ground. I mean, people can tell me that 420 00:23:29,010 --> 00:23:31,730 this is totally off base, but I don't think it is, OK. 421 00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:35,050 There's comparable precedent for things like that, where the 422 00:23:35,050 --> 00:23:38,930 capability to devise a picture from human intelligence just 423 00:23:38,930 --> 00:23:42,170 like completely disappears for reasons I said, because of total 424 00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:45,170 isolation. And you know, kind of like the 425 00:23:45,250 --> 00:23:49,490 most basic, like human level of sociality, but but all for only 426 00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:50,810 two. Like the IDF is like U.S. 427 00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:53,770 Army and it's like full of like fucking fat people and like and 428 00:23:53,770 --> 00:23:57,930 like idiots and like, you know, intersex like women who weigh 429 00:23:57,930 --> 00:23:59,490 like £400. I don't know. 430 00:23:59,930 --> 00:24:02,290 And if that's the case, yeah, I'm sure that's not helping any. 431 00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:06,650 So what do you think? Okay? 432 00:24:08,050 --> 00:24:12,570 One of the main concerns here was because they've already 433 00:24:12,570 --> 00:24:14,690 listed in the media a few things. 434 00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:17,450 This is why I found interesting and disturbing at the same time. 435 00:24:17,970 --> 00:24:19,410 They're claiming that these that. 436 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,840 When Hamas broke through the lines, shot up a a rave or an 437 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,640 outdoor festival and and kidnapped a bunch of women 438 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,360 mostly and went back into the Gaza, there's now reports that 439 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:36,320 they're mass rape, they're gang raping these women, which is you 440 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,080 keep seeing this narrative pop up. 441 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,400 I just did a preliminary like search on it, like where is this 442 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,160 coming from? And it seems to be the only 443 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,080 confirmation I could get from it was that the the the report of 444 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,890 gang rape came from? An account on X. 445 00:24:51,370 --> 00:24:54,850 It was called the Israeli war room that are making these 446 00:24:54,850 --> 00:24:57,690 claims. It it what I think is important 447 00:24:57,690 --> 00:24:58,850 for people to understand is like it. 448 00:24:58,930 --> 00:25:01,890 There's some some things that you can deal with just small 449 00:25:01,890 --> 00:25:04,410 little things and then go okay. If they're lying about this or 450 00:25:04,410 --> 00:25:07,730 this is inconclusive, why they're repeating it and where 451 00:25:07,730 --> 00:25:09,570 does this lead us to what I can say. 452 00:25:10,290 --> 00:25:15,810 What I can say to that man is you remember in 1990 there was a 453 00:25:15,810 --> 00:25:21,960 testimony before Congress by that Kuwaiti nurse who said that 454 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,680 when the Iraqis invaded, I wasn't nursed. 455 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,960 And they took all the babies out of incubators and threw them on 456 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,160 the floor and they died. And then they like raped all the 457 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,800 boys and girls like, you know, these like teenage boys and 458 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,360 girls, you know, And then they and then they went from bed to 459 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,400 bed and like mass occurred like all the elderly and invalids. 460 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,880 And then it comes out like five years later. 461 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,280 That Lady was a member of the Saudi royal family. 462 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,320 She worked with this, like big international PR firm, like she 463 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,520 wasn't a nurse. This story was literally made-up 464 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,000 by like these Madison Ave. like Horror Story writers, you know, 465 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,800 like this sounds like made-up, but it's not like that happened. 466 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,800 I mean it's like, I don't do I find it hard to believe that 467 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,960 like very jumped up angry young man would like gang rape women 468 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,480 in a war zone. I do not find that hard to 469 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,880 believe at all. But it's like why are there 470 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,760 these like pictures where it's like a found footage of horror 471 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,240 movie of these like pretty girls being led away and he's like 472 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,560 grimy looking like kind of stereotypical like dirtbag Arab 473 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,240 guys like like, you know like acting on like, why what's like, 474 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,680 what is this It's like the Blair Witch Project like Arab Rape 475 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,080 Edition. Like it doesn't like who's who's 476 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,040 taking this footage guys like, oh this is me committing war 477 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,160 crimes. I mean, like, I mean I'm sure 478 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,440 there's some of that like, but it's it's it's weird, man. 479 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:39,010 And it's like, I going back, what was the what was the what 480 00:26:39,010 --> 00:26:44,770 was the War Department's big coup after Wilson's war 481 00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:47,530 declaration? It's like this King Kong gorilla 482 00:26:47,530 --> 00:26:50,450 and the poster with, like, a naked girl over his shoulder. 483 00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:51,450 Stop. The yeah. 484 00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:54,210 The the eternal Huns. Yeah, yeah, weeping German 485 00:26:54,210 --> 00:26:56,490 girls. It's always raped. 486 00:26:56,570 --> 00:26:57,970 You know, like, you gotta save them. 487 00:26:58,010 --> 00:27:00,530 You gotta save these, these like, poor girls being raped by 488 00:27:00,530 --> 00:27:02,410 these like brutes. That's always the narrative. 489 00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:05,510 No, again, I'm not trying to be flipping like women get raped 490 00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:07,110 constantly in war and that's fucked up. 491 00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:09,750 Like, I'm not saying that does not happen, but it's like, why 492 00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:11,670 is that always the narrative, you know? 493 00:27:11,670 --> 00:27:15,630 And it's like, I mean, I know why, but it's like, it's also, I 494 00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:17,950 mean, I don't. But, you know at some point it's 495 00:27:17,950 --> 00:27:20,590 like, what's the point? I can, I can pull up like gross 496 00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:24,030 pictures all day of like little kids, like little Arab kids, 497 00:27:24,030 --> 00:27:27,070 like soccer who got like fucking lit up by like 50 calibration 498 00:27:27,070 --> 00:27:28,710 ammunition. Like what does it, what does it 499 00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:30,750 prove? Like bad things happen at war. 500 00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:33,320 Like I don't. It's like, well, that's that's 501 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,680 wrong. If, like Hamas does fucked up 502 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,160 shit like, I don't, OK. I mean, I don't accept it. 503 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,560 That's the interesting part about this whole thing, right. 504 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,160 Because it's it's bad enough that Hamas did invade that that 505 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,560 rave that's, I don't think there's any contention about 506 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,640 that. Did shoot people at at that 507 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,520 festival. Did kill people that festival 508 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,720 and did take prisoners absentially for now. 509 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,720 There's there's speculation going going crazy about why they 510 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,440 did that, whether it's being using them as human Shields or 511 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,530 is. Exchangeable tokens or as a way 512 00:28:02,530 --> 00:28:06,890 to to draw the Israeli military into Gaza and then and then have 513 00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:09,210 urban warfare. I'm I'm open to all those 514 00:28:09,210 --> 00:28:11,250 possibilities. The the the thing that I 515 00:28:11,250 --> 00:28:14,930 rejected off the top of it is that it doesn't make, typically 516 00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:19,090 speaking when people take when people kidnap people in a in a 517 00:28:19,090 --> 00:28:22,370 time of war, they tend not to mistreat those people that 518 00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:22,970 horrible. I'm not. 519 00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:25,650 I'm not saying they're putting up at the Ritz, but. 520 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,400 It doesn't make any sense for them to to to visit horrors upon 521 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,080 them when they could just shoot them in the head, right? 522 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,000 I mean, there's there's like, again, too, there's like a 523 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,200 horrible sexual violence that happens at war. 524 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,680 But it's like I like so in the opening salvos of this these 525 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,360 guys who presumably if they're in the kind of, if they're in 526 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,080 the kind of first wave operationally on the Hamas side. 527 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,600 I mean presumably these guys would be kind of like the 528 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,530 hardened cadres. You know they'd at least or at 529 00:28:53,530 --> 00:28:56,010 least led by guys where they're equivalent of like pretty 530 00:28:56,050 --> 00:28:59,210 experienced Ncos like their first order of business is like 531 00:28:59,210 --> 00:29:03,450 kidnap girls to like rape them. Like that's I mean so morality 532 00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:07,170 and fucked up aspects that aside like that that that represents 533 00:29:07,170 --> 00:29:10,130 kind of a breakdown in military discipline like immediately I 534 00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:15,290 mean that's not you can't in in terms of like military necessity 535 00:29:15,290 --> 00:29:17,090 and pregnancy. You can't, like, have men doing 536 00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:20,130 that kind of thing, you know, like, again, not to minimize, 537 00:29:20,130 --> 00:29:22,850 like a horror of, like sexual violence, but you know what I 538 00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:24,650 mean? And, like, it's but the whole 539 00:29:24,650 --> 00:29:28,850 thing is it's smacked of, you know, like what I said, like 540 00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:34,010 these kinds of this kind of entirely predictable, like these 541 00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:36,450 kind of entirely predictable propaganda areas always having 542 00:29:36,450 --> 00:29:40,250 to do with sex, always having to do with, you know, the the 543 00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:43,410 destruction of innocent victims. Like, you know there's like a 544 00:29:43,410 --> 00:29:47,280 pattern here and obviously like that inflames the passions of 545 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,640 people in a way that and I see it too. 546 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,040 Like people. I was like I got like 50 emails 547 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,720 or like TM. Some people think you're a piece 548 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,240 of shit you support rape. You folk. 549 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,720 I'm going to kill you. It's like, what are you talking 550 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,320 about? Because it's like, you know, 551 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,520 it's like in these people's minds like they can't. 552 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,080 They're not capable of of they're not, they're not capable 553 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,920 of of discerning that like things they see on TV or the 554 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,280 Internet like aren't reality. You're like aren't happening to 555 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:15,990 them or like or that there's, you know, there's facts and a 556 00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:20,190 paradigm present that supersedes, like bad guys raping 557 00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:22,190 women. Like, it's really kind of 558 00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:26,590 fascinating as a study in human psychology, albeit it's pretty, 559 00:30:26,590 --> 00:30:28,510 it's banal and it's kind of upsetting. 560 00:30:28,510 --> 00:30:30,470 But. Well, it goes back to what I was 561 00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:33,350 saying about. So no, it's okay. 562 00:30:34,590 --> 00:30:37,350 It's about, I think, going back to what people wanting somebody 563 00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:39,680 to be true. If you can attribute the worst 564 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,480 possible crimes to a group of people then you can do whatever 565 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,920 you want to those people and not feel bad about it because 566 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,400 obviously, well, look they're they're mother rappers and and 567 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,720 and murderers and and look and I'm I've always been very 568 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:59,080 neutral on both the Hamas or let's say Palestine is Israel in 569 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,680 general. I recognize that neither side or 570 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,320 my friends, they're not interested in me or and helping 571 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,270 me at all. And you know I I wish them good 572 00:31:10,270 --> 00:31:12,910 luck and God bless and hope they they figure these these things 573 00:31:12,910 --> 00:31:17,070 these things out the but as you alluded to the the the issue of 574 00:31:17,070 --> 00:31:21,230 course is that it does involve us because geopolitics whether 575 00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:25,110 you like it or not is part of your life and movements in 576 00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:28,590 Levant are going to actually start affecting you know whether 577 00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:31,190 we send people out to the desert to die again. 578 00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:35,260 And you know just general policies and if you know, if if 579 00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:41,260 we have to send that print out more money to to to to beef up a 580 00:31:41,260 --> 00:31:46,220 war measures in in in Israel. What does that do to our, you 581 00:31:46,260 --> 00:31:47,780 know to your to your local economy? 582 00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:50,260 Well we're going to find out because that seems to be that 583 00:31:50,260 --> 00:31:52,540 that seems to be the case. I want to touch on two other 584 00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:55,180 things. That's why we have you here. 585 00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:59,340 One is that the absolute disappearance of Ukraine from 586 00:31:59,340 --> 00:32:02,470 the media narrative. Which I thought was a little 587 00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:07,030 bit, you know, beyond coincidental. 588 00:32:07,030 --> 00:32:10,110 Let's, let's put it that way. Especially as we're getting 589 00:32:10,110 --> 00:32:13,070 reports that the entire Ukrainian offensive line is now 590 00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:15,950 completely crumbling in in in in real time. 591 00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:19,790 And then of course now everyone's freeing World War 592 00:32:19,790 --> 00:32:23,110 Three. So maybe you can just comment on 593 00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:27,710 the first briefly, but but especially with the 2nd. 594 00:32:29,660 --> 00:32:33,100 The I guess the the things we should I would guess I'll defer 595 00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:35,900 to your to your expertise. What should we be looking for if 596 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:40,540 this if If we are worried about World War Three, how would that 597 00:32:40,540 --> 00:32:43,620 actually come come about from this conflict? 598 00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:54,300 I'll address that question. First World War Three and the 599 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:57,340 way people bandy. It isn't possible at present. 600 00:33:00,330 --> 00:33:04,610 People forget or they don't. The 20th century was totally, 601 00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:06,570 totally, totally totally abnormal. 602 00:33:07,650 --> 00:33:11,850 Okay. Things like that happen 603 00:33:11,850 --> 00:33:14,370 literally once every thousand years if that. 604 00:33:15,210 --> 00:33:16,890 You know, this is like there's really nothing you can like 605 00:33:16,890 --> 00:33:22,290 extrapolate from there like generally about about the status 606 00:33:22,290 --> 00:33:27,890 quo on at scale, at temporal scale as regards power politics. 607 00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:31,020 Because that basically almost never ever ever ever happens, 608 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:35,820 OK. It was a uniquely dangerous 609 00:33:35,820 --> 00:33:38,740 strategic landscape. Although there was like only a 610 00:33:38,740 --> 00:33:42,660 handful of conflict dyads, if they were tripped they they 611 00:33:42,660 --> 00:33:45,620 would have almost inevitably led to like general nuclear war. 612 00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:50,140 And I never accepted like Carl Sagan's kind of piece like view 613 00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:52,140 that this is the end of life as we know it. 614 00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:55,530 No. But if 200 million people dead 615 00:33:55,650 --> 00:33:58,770 like worldwide like that that that that does change life as 616 00:33:58,770 --> 00:34:02,370 you know it, OK. There's there's no chance of 617 00:34:02,370 --> 00:34:05,170 that kind of escalation happening because there's not 618 00:34:05,970 --> 00:34:08,210 there's not the political will. There's not the forces and being 619 00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:10,969 there's not, there's not the mobilization, there's not the 620 00:34:10,969 --> 00:34:13,489 ongoing mobilization of of war readiness. 621 00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:16,530 There's not the mindset. There's not the knowledge even 622 00:34:16,530 --> 00:34:19,969 to like do that anymore. But also like it wouldn't like 623 00:34:19,969 --> 00:34:23,800 the the constellation of alliances would not develop 624 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,320 whereby that kind of destruction at scale is possible. 625 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:33,239 What I believe is kind of the main conflict theater in the 626 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,800 21st century is Central Asia. I do agree somewhat with a lot 627 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,440 of what Pepe Escobar says, not entirely, but when he describes 628 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,960 Central Asia as like a continent unto itself. 629 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,159 And if you looked at it as like a discrete continent, it has 630 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:52,040 like the the the majority of the world's remaining like coveted 631 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:57,640 natural energy resources, petroleum, natural gas, you 632 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,360 know, all all these things. You know, a huge percentage of 633 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,720 the global population. There's there's basically like a 634 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:08,800 great game like Ward, like like low intensity war development 635 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,620 between like the United States, China, Turkey, the Russian 636 00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:17,180 Federation, like secondary players are Iran and Kazakhstan, 637 00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:23,340 you know and some of these other countries and it there's there's 638 00:35:23,340 --> 00:35:25,380 potential for that by midcentury. 639 00:35:25,380 --> 00:35:29,380 I think the trip into like a hot like a hot general war between 640 00:35:29,380 --> 00:35:31,460 like some consolation of those combatants. 641 00:35:33,580 --> 00:35:37,500 But I think that that's really kind of the only like burdening 642 00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:41,570 conflict dyad that has like potential for like general war 643 00:35:41,570 --> 00:35:44,570 between like nation States and the way we think of it like 644 00:35:44,570 --> 00:35:47,730 combined arms, possibly even tactical nuclear weapons if 645 00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:53,730 things get to that point. But I don't like, I mean the 646 00:35:53,730 --> 00:35:59,130 issue with the mid, the issue with the Near East is that if 647 00:35:59,130 --> 00:36:04,320 America is going to simply say no matter what, you know, we're 648 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,120 going to, we're going to fight some like racial, holy war, 649 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,640 literally the posterity of the Zionist state as it exists. 650 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,560 We will not compromise. We will not give an inch. 651 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,280 We will not allow the state to be reconstituted into like this 652 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,800 kind of like multiethnic like you know like kind of like 653 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:27,160 normal like managerial regime, you know, there, there, there. 654 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,920 There's a potential for like a real bloodbath there, owing to 655 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:37,070 both, you know, an unreasonable kind of spirit of of of 656 00:36:37,070 --> 00:36:43,550 vengeance as well as a basic a total like lack of conceptual 657 00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:46,110 literacy on the reality of these things. 658 00:36:48,430 --> 00:36:54,590 At the same time, I believe that it's quite obvious Russia to a 659 00:36:54,590 --> 00:36:56,950 lesser degree, China, because their interests are different 660 00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:58,750 and there's less of a military aspect to it. 661 00:36:59,070 --> 00:37:03,970 But also Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, this, these consolations 662 00:37:03,970 --> 00:37:10,010 of lesser like Arab and Islamic states, you know, who are at at 663 00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:13,290 permanent a prone enemy footing with with with with America, 664 00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:14,730 Israel, people. It's kind of like letting 665 00:37:14,730 --> 00:37:18,410 America fail and like not responding with provocations and 666 00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:20,290 it's like letting it fail over and over again. 667 00:37:20,610 --> 00:37:24,450 And like, you know, and I I I don't. 668 00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:26,890 I think Putin is a poor warlord in a lot of ways. 669 00:37:27,410 --> 00:37:30,410 I I think Putin tolerates provocations to the degree that 670 00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:33,730 now he's fighting NATO, literally with the decapitation 671 00:37:33,730 --> 00:37:35,370 range of Moscow. And he never should let things 672 00:37:35,370 --> 00:37:40,090 get to that point. But at the same time, there is 673 00:37:40,090 --> 00:37:42,850 like an internal logic to that basic strategy. 674 00:37:44,330 --> 00:37:45,210 Why? Like why? 675 00:37:45,210 --> 00:37:47,530 Why? You know what? 676 00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:51,570 Why confront America directly when it it's hurting itself? 677 00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:55,730 Like more than I could. It's an oversold vacation, but I 678 00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:59,970 think that's part of it. That's my take on that, Why 679 00:37:59,970 --> 00:38:03,690 Ukraine has left the news cycle. I don't think. 680 00:38:05,330 --> 00:38:08,130 I don't think Biden's joking. I think Biden really is like a 681 00:38:08,130 --> 00:38:10,290 fucking moron. He's like a doddering idiot. 682 00:38:10,570 --> 00:38:11,850 Yeah. He has no idea what the fuck's 683 00:38:11,850 --> 00:38:13,690 going on, Even when he's a young, even when he's a young 684 00:38:13,690 --> 00:38:15,690 man. There's that footage of, like, 685 00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:18,170 him talking to Clarence Thomas saying like, you and I 686 00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:20,770 understand each other and Tom was like, senator, I literally 687 00:38:20,770 --> 00:38:22,410 have no idea what you're talking about. 688 00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:24,450 You know, like, the guys are fucking idiots. 689 00:38:26,340 --> 00:38:28,260 So, like, when Biden comes out and says, like, we're gonna, 690 00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:30,260 we're gonna, we're gonna stand with Ukraine to the end. 691 00:38:30,260 --> 00:38:31,620 There's no kind of what that means. 692 00:38:31,980 --> 00:38:34,540 Okay. The people who do understand 693 00:38:34,540 --> 00:38:37,460 what that means and the Pentagon or do have a clear picture. 694 00:38:37,580 --> 00:38:42,700 I've said from inception, it's just about money and clout and 695 00:38:44,020 --> 00:38:47,300 and and and and and and hurting Ivan because they've got, you 696 00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:50,540 know, these kinds of perverse tribal prejudices owing to their 697 00:38:50,540 --> 00:38:53,300 own parentage or they've taken them on or something. 698 00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:55,090 But there's no there there. There is. 699 00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:57,610 There is not now. There has never been, there will 700 00:38:57,610 --> 00:39:00,690 never be some military path to victory for Ukraine. 701 00:39:01,210 --> 00:39:04,690 There's absolutely no chance Ukraine can defeat the Air 702 00:39:04,690 --> 00:39:08,050 Force, the Russian Federation, chase the remainder of it into 703 00:39:08,050 --> 00:39:12,490 Russia, annihilate it, go to Moscow, occupy it, prevent 704 00:39:12,490 --> 00:39:15,850 Russia from ever reconcentrating forces, and then declare 705 00:39:15,850 --> 00:39:17,890 victory. That's there was no chance of 706 00:39:17,890 --> 00:39:20,290 that happening. None like the odds that 707 00:39:20,290 --> 00:39:23,250 happening or me, like, going to, like, play professional football 708 00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:26,640 in the NFL tomorrow, OK. It's literally a fantasy. 709 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,520 It can't happen. So the purpose of this war has 710 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,200 always been, you know, basically, you know, for I'm not 711 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,280 what these people claim, like, oh, war is all about big 712 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,600 business and bankers. But there's an aspect of war 713 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,720 profiteering, especially now because there's like nothing 714 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:46,320 else going on in that regard. These, like, Zionist types, they 715 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,840 don't give a fuck about Ukrainian people. 716 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,960 If Ukraine turns into like a wasteland, turns like a big 717 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,820 cemetery, they don't care because their ideas like, well, 718 00:39:53,020 --> 00:39:54,660 you know, for a few years we hurt Russia. 719 00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:57,100 So fuck it, who cares? And we got rich doing it. 720 00:39:57,740 --> 00:40:00,860 I think it's like that simple. But it's like, you can't at the 721 00:40:00,860 --> 00:40:03,220 First of all, Zalenski's an incredibly grotesque person. 722 00:40:03,220 --> 00:40:06,100 He's literally like this, like a little rat man, you know, shows 723 00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:09,180 up in like dirty clothes. Like we need the more money to 724 00:40:09,180 --> 00:40:11,420 fight. I mean, like after a while like 725 00:40:11,420 --> 00:40:14,620 that greats on everybody. And it's like even people who 726 00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:18,500 are kind of, who are kind of, you know, just to be sure that 727 00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:21,140 we're not really sophisticated political affairs. 728 00:40:21,730 --> 00:40:25,610 You can't just declare for like years on end like oh this, the 729 00:40:25,610 --> 00:40:28,330 Ukrainian offensive is going to turn everything around like at 730 00:40:28,330 --> 00:40:31,650 some point like that loses like its percentage, you know, even 731 00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:34,210 in even in even when we're dealing with the kind of like 732 00:40:34,290 --> 00:40:38,850 goldfish memory of of your average kind of like cable news 733 00:40:38,850 --> 00:40:40,770 watcher. So I think that's why. 734 00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:48,010 But it's also, I do think that I nobody thought Ukraine could 735 00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:50,570 someone win this war militarily. But I think some of these fools 736 00:40:50,570 --> 00:40:52,810 actually did think that like, Russia was going to, like 737 00:40:52,810 --> 00:40:56,050 internally fall apart and like Putin was going to be sidelined 738 00:40:56,050 --> 00:40:58,650 by some like military Hutu. That was like all fucked up. 739 00:40:58,770 --> 00:41:01,690 And like that didn't happen. And like, basically like, OK, 740 00:41:01,730 --> 00:41:03,890 Russia's like a mess, but Russia's always a fucking mess, 741 00:41:04,290 --> 00:41:06,250 you know? And like, it's so you basically 742 00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:10,050 have like nothing to show for this, for this grotesque, you 743 00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:15,090 know, kind of endless, you know, like parade of human suffering 744 00:41:15,090 --> 00:41:21,070 and destruction based on asinine rhetoric and it kind of 745 00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:26,270 hysterically bigoted, kind of declarations that without any 746 00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:27,870 substance. I mean, I think that's what it 747 00:41:27,870 --> 00:41:28,830 is. I think it's that simple. 748 00:41:30,510 --> 00:41:34,470 Well, I think that pigeonhole that leads us into where we can 749 00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:38,730 wrap up here is that I think. One of the difficulties is 750 00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:40,370 trying to understand wind conditions. 751 00:41:40,450 --> 00:41:44,050 You know, a lot of people now openly speculating about why 752 00:41:44,050 --> 00:41:45,410 Hamas is doing what they're doing. 753 00:41:45,410 --> 00:41:50,570 Obviously they if if Hamas isn't going to be able to take over 754 00:41:50,570 --> 00:41:56,450 Israel from Gaza by itself, it's the the actions seem to be just 755 00:41:56,610 --> 00:42:00,290 almost it fits into an evil narrative if you're just looking 756 00:42:00,290 --> 00:42:02,610 at it like Hamas just wants to kill Jews. 757 00:42:02,610 --> 00:42:04,730 And that's that's the only reason that they're doing any of 758 00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:10,430 this stuff is just to. To be evil and kill Jews but 759 00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:13,830 what if you look at if you try to but yet you can't factor that 760 00:42:13,830 --> 00:42:17,230 into a coordinated attack so So what So they spent all this time 761 00:42:17,230 --> 00:42:19,350 and effort to be hyper coordinated to get all these 762 00:42:19,350 --> 00:42:24,990 missiles to to paraglide over positions to to you know to to 763 00:42:24,990 --> 00:42:29,830 strike Israel where where their weakest and and and and complete 764 00:42:29,830 --> 00:42:33,510 these military goals and yet are just crazy evil people like that 765 00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:37,490 doesn't that doesn't compute so. And again, we're into 766 00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:40,810 speculation zones, but if we're going to speculate or if you're 767 00:42:40,850 --> 00:42:43,810 going to speculate, I should say what do you think Hamas is 768 00:42:43,810 --> 00:42:45,570 general wind conditions here are. 769 00:42:46,170 --> 00:42:48,850 And I only really ask this because one of the things that 770 00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:53,810 if I can pull it up here, one of the interesting reports I think 771 00:42:53,810 --> 00:42:56,370 was out of Reuters, I don't know where it is right now. 772 00:42:57,330 --> 00:43:01,090 They they talked to one of the one of the leaders over in Gaza. 773 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:05,240 And had asked if he would be open to ceasefire negotiations 774 00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:06,840 or any of that already that kind of thing. 775 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,320 Initially they had said no they're going to fight to the 776 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,480 they're going to fight to the to the end here. 777 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,400 But he made a statement which I thought was telling which is 778 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,280 saying yeah we're we we could be open to the to something like 779 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,960 that we've we've achieved our our our. 780 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,160 I think I forget what a word he used, but he's he's they've 781 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,520 achieved their objectives, so that's interesting to me. 782 00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:31,940 What are your thoughts on all that, Thomas? 783 00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:34,380 It's a long campaign, okay. I mean, it's more there's more 784 00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:38,140 of a conventional arms aspect to it than something like the 785 00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:42,540 provisional IRA's long campaign or like probably maybe a more 786 00:43:43,140 --> 00:43:46,140 apropos analogy to the Popular Front for Liberation of 787 00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:49,100 Palestine General Command. But what I said earlier, I made 788 00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:51,380 the point that I'm not resoling. I had probably when I say that 789 00:43:51,380 --> 00:43:56,170 Gaza is literally an iron cage God, just literally under siege. 790 00:43:56,170 --> 00:43:58,330 It's under for all part of a purposes. 791 00:43:58,330 --> 00:44:03,250 It's under starvation blockade and it's it's it. 792 00:44:03,250 --> 00:44:06,850 These people are boxed in under under Israeli arms. 793 00:44:06,850 --> 00:44:10,010 Okay. They they're they're they're 794 00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:13,690 they're quite literally trying to liberate that space okay. 795 00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:17,570 They're they're trying to bring down the prison walls okay and 796 00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:22,050 making it make it clear to Israel when as we discussed war 797 00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:26,050 and live Israel may in fact be vulnerable and as as regards 798 00:44:26,050 --> 00:44:30,010 like their their munitions and and the forces and being and and 799 00:44:30,010 --> 00:44:33,530 munitions and things. This may be an opportune time to 800 00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:37,330 strike or Hamas finally has the discipline and the operational 801 00:44:37,330 --> 00:44:44,210 competence you know, to in fact really hurt Israel in Gaza and 802 00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:51,730 beyond and force them to make concessions of of what people 803 00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:53,610 might characterize as a human rights nature. 804 00:44:53,610 --> 00:44:56,170 I don't, I don't like that term. But you know what I mean. 805 00:44:56,410 --> 00:45:01,650 You know, to basically afford, afford Gaza like basic access to 806 00:45:01,810 --> 00:45:06,450 the freedom of movement as well as access to the commodities and 807 00:45:06,450 --> 00:45:09,450 things that we equate with, with civilized life in the modern 808 00:45:09,450 --> 00:45:17,650 world, Okay. And finally, Hamas is more 809 00:45:17,650 --> 00:45:20,170 politically savvy than people give it credit for. 810 00:45:20,170 --> 00:45:22,290 In the West and in the Western world, this stuff doesn't 811 00:45:22,290 --> 00:45:24,610 resonate. But among Arab people, even 812 00:45:24,610 --> 00:45:27,330 those aren't even those who aren't particularly radical or 813 00:45:27,330 --> 00:45:32,210 even particularly religious. It's highly resonant and they're 814 00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:35,050 bringing world attention. Again, I'm not talking about 815 00:45:35,050 --> 00:45:37,650 like America and like Western Europe or Japan. 816 00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:41,690 I'm talking about like Darl Islam and beyond, you know, the 817 00:45:41,730 --> 00:45:46,350 the 2 billion other people, you know, in the global South or 818 00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:50,590 whatever, it's bringing attention to their plight, as it 819 00:45:50,590 --> 00:45:52,390 were. Like whether you or anyone 820 00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:53,910 sympathize with them, it's not important. 821 00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:58,150 And that is huge, especially these days. 822 00:45:58,350 --> 00:46:00,630 I mean, it was huge 30-40 years ago. 823 00:46:00,790 --> 00:46:05,270 But especially these days, like any kid or any any Hamas fighter 824 00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:08,270 can like pull out like it's cheapo smartphone and like say 825 00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:14,990 this is what's happening here. That's why and also, you know, 826 00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:17,030 Israel. Israel. 827 00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:19,630 Like I said, Israel just got smacked down in Syria, Israel's 828 00:46:19,630 --> 00:46:21,950 fighting in Yemen. Israel's fighting in the Levant, 829 00:46:22,270 --> 00:46:26,150 Israel's all over Iraq. Israel's arming Ukraine. 830 00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:28,350 And this kind of like endless campaign against Russia, like 831 00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:32,270 Israel can't afford to take on like another, another, another 832 00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:34,230 enemy in like some hot battle theater. 833 00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:38,590 It's all of those things. But I'm, you know, I'm not at 834 00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:42,470 all like a military type, but I think I do know something about 835 00:46:43,390 --> 00:46:47,110 power politics and I think I do know something about the process 836 00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:51,030 of political warfare. Whatever meets the road, just, 837 00:46:51,070 --> 00:46:54,670 you know, because I do okay. But yeah, that's. 838 00:46:55,230 --> 00:46:57,670 What do you think of the, what do you think of the likelihood 839 00:46:57,670 --> 00:47:01,950 of of Iran getting dragged in through through a Lebanon 840 00:47:01,950 --> 00:47:05,150 because I know my initial thoughts. 841 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,440 About all this is like if if this spills over to Lebanon, 842 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,760 that could pull Iran in because of Hezbollah. 843 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,680 If that was going to happen, what happened in Syria and in 844 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,720 2006, that was the last time Israel fought, fought Hezbollah 845 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:25,240 like an open combat and Hezbollah performed exceedingly 846 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:29,800 well, Okay, they claimed that Al Quds and like Iranian elements 847 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,800 were on the ground and Lebanon. I don't doubt that. 848 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,080 I mean I'm sure that's probably true Okay in Syria. 849 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:41,920 I'm sure that I'm the reason why Mr. Trump like had Suleimani 850 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,880 murdered was. I mean that was the allegation 851 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:50,360 if I recall correctly. I if there was going to be if if 852 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:57,040 Syria had truly fallen to to to these to these to these tech 853 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,440 theory murderers that are supported by like you know these 854 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,050 terrorists and American Israel support and like it. 855 00:48:03,050 --> 00:48:07,210 It was open season on Shia and Alawites and and Christians in 856 00:48:08,170 --> 00:48:10,050 in in in like the constellation on Assad. 857 00:48:10,050 --> 00:48:12,530 Basically I think there would have been direct Iranian 858 00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:15,090 intervention and so we're not we're not going to let like 859 00:48:15,090 --> 00:48:16,890 Syria become. We're not we're not going to let 860 00:48:16,890 --> 00:48:19,410 America create some Green Zone and what was Damascus. 861 00:48:19,770 --> 00:48:22,490 I think that was very possible and that's another thank God. 862 00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:23,850 Like Russia didn't let that happen. 863 00:48:26,330 --> 00:48:35,160 But I don't Israel did Israel, Iran, Syria, the PLO, Hezbollah. 864 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:41,080 I mean they they were fighting a hot war in in the Beirut St. you 865 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,560 know for a decade and a half. And the big fear then was like 866 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,000 oh Iran's going to escalate and Iran is more cunning than people 867 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,280 think I think. I don't think they have it in 868 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,280 them to be like a great regional power in the in in power 869 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,000 political in like conventional power political terms. 870 00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:02,760 But they're an ancient people and they they're they're more 871 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,880 cunning than people think man. I mean so that was Saddam's 872 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:11,400 Saddam's claim you know was when when I, when I ran launched it's 873 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,280 you know crusade against the NASA and Islamic Republic was 874 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,920 that these people can't fight like they're they're effeminate 875 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,160 pacifists. They're a bunch of calligraphers 876 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:25,360 and and and and and and and ayatollahs and and and rawafied, 877 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,720 you know, whatever, like I. But it proved him wrong. 878 00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:31,770 I think they're, I think they were cutting the net. 879 00:49:34,450 --> 00:49:35,410 All right. Let's wrap this up. 880 00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:37,930 Thank you, Thomas. I appreciate it. 881 00:49:38,810 --> 00:49:40,930 We will be putting this out as soon as we do. 882 00:49:40,930 --> 00:49:42,930 I'll let you know. No, thank you. 883 00:49:43,850 --> 00:49:47,490 Just on a personal note, you know, my cohost, Mark is, is 884 00:49:47,490 --> 00:49:50,050 married to an Israeli. I know emotions are. 885 00:49:50,050 --> 00:49:51,170 That's not why he's not here, right? 886 00:49:51,610 --> 00:49:52,970 Yeah, he's not. That's not why he's not here 887 00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:54,610 today. He had work and stuff, but. 888 00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:58,860 I know emotions are incredibly high about these things. 889 00:49:58,860 --> 00:50:02,860 I wanted to be clear from this channel's perspective that we're 890 00:50:02,860 --> 00:50:05,020 certainly not endorsing either side. 891 00:50:05,020 --> 00:50:09,900 It's not a good guy, bad guy situation, you know. 892 00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:13,660 We have of course detailed our objections to Zionist and 893 00:50:13,660 --> 00:50:19,980 Zionist policies and and the Jews in general, but that 894 00:50:19,980 --> 00:50:22,380 doesn't mean that we wish any kind of harm to happen to 895 00:50:22,380 --> 00:50:25,450 anyone. On the streets or or any any 896 00:50:25,450 --> 00:50:29,610 specific individuals. And so we we send our hearts and 897 00:50:29,610 --> 00:50:33,770 prayers out to everyone in that region and hope that we can hope 898 00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:37,130 that this doesn't go on for his for longer than it has to 899 00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:40,770 unfortunately but Thomas so I don't want to know on a sober 900 00:50:40,770 --> 00:50:44,210 note but there's nothing there's no like haha moment I can I can 901 00:50:44,290 --> 00:50:47,770 figure out here for that one. Thomas let the people know where 902 00:50:47,770 --> 00:50:49,690 they can find you where they can hear you. 903 00:50:49,730 --> 00:50:51,930 And again, thank you very much for coming on. 904 00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:54,720 No, you're welcome, man. I thank you. 905 00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,880 It you can find me on my sub stack. 906 00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:05,360 It's, it's realthomas777.subset.com. 907 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,680 That's what the podcast is. That's where we got a chat 908 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,120 going, you know, about stuff. And that's where, like some of 909 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,440 my longer form writing is. Season two of the podcast is 910 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,270 going to drop like a Halloween weekend and then that way, which 911 00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:22,950 point like you're going to be able to access all of season one 912 00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:26,510 for 100% free and now it's literally only $5 a month. 913 00:51:27,150 --> 00:51:30,470 That's the lowest I can make it without eating a loss. 914 00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:34,710 I'm hoping I I'm hoping within 2024 I can I can make like 915 00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:38,070 everything free. But I I'm trying to make things 916 00:51:38,070 --> 00:51:41,710 like literally, like as cheap as possible without, you know, but 917 00:51:42,690 --> 00:51:45,330 I'm on Twitter or like X right now. 918 00:51:45,330 --> 00:51:47,170 I mean whoever. I don't know if I'm gonna get 919 00:51:47,170 --> 00:51:53,050 like nuked off off of these social media platforms but I'm 920 00:51:53,050 --> 00:52:01,050 there at a real capital rel under score #7 hmes 777. 921 00:52:02,410 --> 00:52:05,530 I got I got I got banned from Telegram again for like some 922 00:52:05,770 --> 00:52:07,330 reason. I mean there's people in there 923 00:52:07,330 --> 00:52:10,090 like literally like post, like snuff porn and like they 924 00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:13,920 probably again like saying like mean things about Ukraine or 925 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,160 like Israel or it's crits insane like the same like 5 *. 926 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,120 I I do not like Telegram at all. I only was fucking with it 927 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,600 because like every time I got new people like begged me to 928 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,160 come back because like that's you know, that's like the 929 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,480 platform a lot of people like, but I'm not on there right now. 930 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,200 I don't really want to return and it's just it's just 931 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,760 something just like grimy about it, man. 932 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,420 But the that's basically and I'm launching, you know, I spent the 933 00:52:39,420 --> 00:52:43,420 summer like shooting content for my channel, the channel's Thomas 934 00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:48,500 TV, on YouTube. It's not populated by stuff yet 935 00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:51,140 other than like, you know, some like tasks and introductory 936 00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:54,340 stuff. But I mean, I'm based in 2024 in 937 00:52:54,340 --> 00:52:56,460 the seasons with the pod and sexing it up a lot. 938 00:52:57,020 --> 00:53:02,340 And I've been blessed, you know, with a great editor and and and 939 00:53:02,340 --> 00:53:06,550 cameraman, but also, you know, I want to transition more to like, 940 00:53:06,550 --> 00:53:08,830 video content. So that's basically like what 941 00:53:08,830 --> 00:53:11,230 I'm trying to do. And as a whole lot of people 942 00:53:11,230 --> 00:53:15,350 going to test, I'm always traveling over the place and 943 00:53:15,350 --> 00:53:17,150 like meeting people like you want to meet me. 944 00:53:17,150 --> 00:53:18,870 That is like incredibly easy to do. 945 00:53:19,070 --> 00:53:22,990 And I'm all about social capital and all kinds of people can 946 00:53:22,990 --> 00:53:25,990 vouch for me, man. So don't hesitate to reach out 947 00:53:26,110 --> 00:53:28,310 if like, you want to do that, too. 948 00:53:28,990 --> 00:53:32,120 That's all I got. Thank you again, Thomas. 949 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,560 Thank you for getting for everyone who's watching, 950 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,760 listening of course subscribe and share and like the channels 951 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:41,520 and this we are experiencing unprecedented growth in the last 952 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,760 year. So we always like to see that 953 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,040 those numbers go up a little bit. 954 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,440 Subscribe to our Patreon or sub stack, I'll be putting up more 955 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,320 and more content there. It's that'll be exclusive there 956 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,600 to give everyone some little treats and say thank you for 957 00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,160 giving us your money because I got bills, man. 958 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,480 Again, Thomas, always a pleasure, man. 959 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,640 Well, thank you so much. Likewise. 960 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:05,320 Thank you, Jason.