The. Hi, Thomas.
Hello. Hey, congratulations on your new
mug sponsor. I see that that's how's that
working out for you. It's fine.
I, I, I don't know, murder made well, but I mean, I, I have,
I've talked to him online before and I mean, I'm obviously I'm
happy that he respects my content and that the stuff I
write is making an impact. So, yeah, I mean that's that's
all very positive. Well, specifically when he was
on Tucker, he mentioned that the Nuremberg trials in the
Nuremberg regime essentially made being right wing illegal.
And I believe that's a direct quote from you.
I don't know if you put a bit of a spin on it, but but yeah, so
that's kind of what I brought you on to talk about.
We originally, I wanted to get you on to talk about Heigl, but
I think things of heat are starting to heat up to to the
degree that we can do that post election, maybe sometime the new
year if we're all still around. So Thomas, if you wouldn't mind,
I know you've talked about this on Pete's show quite a bit.
Shout out to Pete Cononas and your amazing work over there.
I know you've talked about this in your World War 2 series and I
believe you've done a separate Nuremberg series, but maybe you
could lay the groundwork for people who are just being on
boarded to this term. Now there's 2 terms flowing
around that I think we may can address the Post Nuremberg
regime and and the post Nuremberg narrative. 1 little
aside people are using Post Nuremberg and I'm fine with that
because it's, you know, it happened before, but I feel like
we're still stuck in it. This kind of goes into what some
of the things I've said, which is that we're still living in
the 20th century and it's time to stop that because it's, it's,
it's retarded and I'm, I'm, I, I'll know I'm, I'm in heaven
when I, when I, I don't, I can get through a day without
hearing some retarded Hitler reference or, you know, someone
talking, talking about 1984 or something.
So with that all said, if you wouldn't mind giving the
audience a bit of a primer on the Nuremberg regime or the
narrative and or narrative and then maybe we can go from there.
All right. I can't really drop a capsule
summary because it's it's too complicated for that.
I mean, a way to, I don't understand the modern state.
The modern state is not this day one thing and it's not this just
perennial structure that you know, whatever your timeline is,
whether it's, you know, the tigers Euphrates River Valley
where civilization started or whether it's, you know, some
proto Indo European culture, you know, thousands of years before
that, you know, whatever it is. OK, like the the modern state as
we think of it, that that was emergent in in the middle of the
17th century. OK, what they conclude with the
the peace Westphalia, which is actually 2 separate treaties on
but that that that that created an equality status between
national States and it essentially removed the power of
any super national actor. You know, whether it was an
imperial mandate, whether it was, you know, the Pope through
the Vatican, you know, whether it was some constellation of,
of, of elements, you know, that that partook of, you know,
religious and, or secular institutions, you know, to
assert their power. You know, that, that that was,
that was the state system as it existed and that it basically
accepted that, you know, warfare was a constant warfare wasn't,
was in part, though not exclusively an instrument of
national policy. It was understood that there was
like a basic moral consensus among Occidental peoples and the
the states that who sovereignty they were availed to, you know,
and this basically endured until I'd say, until I'd say Churchill
implemented strategic bombing of, of of civilian targets in
Germany. People stretch their head about
Dunkirk and like, why, why on earth would the Fuhrer allow the
Expeditionary force to retreat? Because that's, that was what's
failing custom, OK between European states.
All right, Obviously this is totally different on the Eastern
Front. But among other things, the
Soviet Union had declared that they weren't bound by, you know,
any international law paradigm or proceeding treaties because,
you know, there were the regime, the regime that had been
signatory to that, you know, was, was not legitimate any
longer. But as it may, you know, I think
inclusion of the Second World War, the surviving, the
surviving members of what could be construed as the control
group of the executive capability of the Third Reich
were hailed into court. It was, it was declared that the
war itself was a kind of criminal conspiracy devised by
these men who had had unleashed the war somehow by way of
various machinations and decisions and key points into,
you know, to, to capture power or to in in some amorphous way,
you know, dominate global politics.
Or most significantly in in terms of the sort of body of the
indictment, you know, if one leaves this this spontaneous,
you know, mass homicide conspiracy against European
Jewry. None of this made a lot of
sense. OK, Unless you think about it in
terms of an effort to establish a new international order
whereby only the United States and the Venext and Soviet Union
would be privileged in within the within the sphere of power
activity to pursue armed conflict as as a remedy to to
the power political problems or, or you know, exigencies that
always axiomatically attend power.
OK, very rapidly the Concorde between the United States and
the Soviet Union fell apart. This led to a 45 years of of,
you know, intermittent proxy conflict and and and warfare to
determine like what form globalism would take.
OK, so now the body of precedence and like the
mythology upon which America derives its legitimacy and the
context in which it presents its narratives is that warfare is
illegal. You know, America has the
exclusive rights and Israel of course, to, to, you know, pursue
military solutions to the power political challenges.
It's, it's never legitimate for any state to, you know, to
pursue, to resort to warfare other than the United States and
Israel, the political right wing, such that it existed in
the 20th century as a, a resistance element to both
liberalism and and communism. Is, is literally a criminal
conspiracy. It, it's, it's implementation at
scale axiomatically leads to conspiracies of mass homicide
and and, and and and and genocidal activity and
conspiratorial and unprovoked wars.
And, you know, essentially, like all, all, all, all kind of
humans sin within the sphere of activity that can be identified
as political and character. All, all, all, all things that
could be considered evil within that paradigm are, are
attributed to, you know, the political right, you know, and
it would be the most extreme manifestation or iteration of
which is, is, is, is fascism, OK.
So at the core isn't just a boogeyman like the entire like
international order is based on this kind of this kind of
theology, like literally like a secular theology, like anti
fascism, you know, like that's, it's a lot more complicated than
that. But I, I can't just break it
down in like 10 or 20. You got to chill out.
You need to calm down, You need to focus and not be yanked one
way or the other by each new news drop, because that's the
purpose of the news drops. The purpose of the news drops
are to demoralize and fracture the growing coalition on the
right. That's the purpose of them.
So when the regime does something to demoralize you,
choosing to be demoralized by it is retarded.
You can't. You can't then claim to like, be
opposed to the regime 'cause you're just functioning as its
proxy. This is the way they recruit you
is by demoralizing you, by making you despair, because
that's something they can work with.
They can feed off of that energy like vampires.
So stop fucking black killing. No, I think that's fair.
And I mean, obviously. And you, you know, you've done
countless numbers of shows on this.
So I direct the audience to go check out those.
I don't want to rub Pete's rhubarb on that one.
And again, like you said, you can, you can do you have done,
you know, dozens if not more shows specifically on the
subject. So I think that's a good primer
because we're in a situation now or we were in a situation
anyways, that's I think rapidly changing or being tested is you
can't, you couldn't get out. You couldn't have any kind of
political conversation about right wing or you know, about
limitations to, to liberalism without caveating it with.
And of course the Germans and the and the Japanese were the
most horrible, awful people. I just heard someone do this
today on a feed and it's embarrassing.
It's embarrassing, It's embarrassing that any of us
accepted this crap from the from the start.
And it's embarrassing that you can, once you start getting your
head into geopolitics, that you're playing good guy, bad
guy. Like I, I I call it a Saturday
morning cartoon. Yeah.
Let's also someone that should have shot this to pieces.
And again, I don't I mean, to your point, you know, historical
analysis, it's it's not a question of, you know,
identifying who's a bad guy and he's not, nor is it comparing
body counts or something. But you know, Robert Conquest,
who you know, he his two books that really kind of exposed the
Soviet system for like the scope and scale of its brutality were
his one book, the the Arctic death camps and his other one,
like the great terror, you know, and when, when the Berlin, when
the German border came down, You know, I made a point the other
day, Speaking of Pete, I mean the point there's damage.
So there was this brief period of probably about 1991 to 95 or
96 when the FSB was willing to play ball with, like Western
historians, other people who, you know, were wanted to, you
know, be allowed to review documentary data.
You know, this is this is how David Irving got the the
gerbil's Diaries, you know, But it turns out that Conquest's
estimates were actually low. You know, I mean, the degree
which I mean, the Soviet Union exterminated the category
exterminated 10 million people before a shot was fired in war
too. Like like the scale of this
enterprise is is staggering. You know so if you're going to
and again, I it's your point, it's misguided.
The the check, you know, hand out moral report cards to to
different political actors, but you know, you don't get to you
don't get to clutch your pearls about how you know, the Empire
of Japan or the Third Reich was, you know, the most evil state
that ever existed when really, I mean the Soviet Union.
It dwarfs like all other comparable circumstances and a
series of events that, you know, that led to human death at
scale, at mega scale, literally, you know, based on like
subjective, like categorical criteria.
You know, I've had people say there's this one really strange
guy on Twitter. I I guess he's some kind of like
liberal theologian. He quite literally said to me
that oh, well, yeah, well, the Soviet Union did was bad, but
it's, it's way worse to if you're categorically
exterminating people because of code racism.
I'm like, what? What difference does it make?
First of all, what does that mean?
I mean, it's not that simple anyway.
Like, I mean, obviously there's horrible, horrible enmity
between the third were like in European Jewry and and there was
like mass casualties, but there were also 100,000 racial Jews
who served in the bear box. Obviously it was more
complicated than this guy was this guy's allowing.
But it's like, so if I, if I killed 10 million, like, you
know, non combatants, including women and children, because
they're a class enemy, that's like less bad than if I do it
because they're of of their of their ethnic heritage.
Like that does I mean that that's not how humans value
things. Everything else aside, But it's
there's these bizarre. That's why I say it's, it's,
it's a it's a theological commitment because it's not,
it's, it's, it's, it's totally like it's totally pre rational.
You know, it's just Adolf Hitler is Satan.
You know, the epitome of many evil is fascism or like things
that can be called fascism. The the facts don't matter, You
know, the actual kind of variables that, you know, gave
rise to these historical conditions that led to these
horrors don't matter. This is just the way it is, you
know, So, yeah, it doesn't have a way to stand on.
And when I. Well, that that's why, too.
When you run across guys, and I'll hand it back to him a
minute, you know, whether it's. And then it's talking about like
midwives, like, like Victor Davis Hanson.
I call him venereal disease Hanson because he's he has all
the charm of chlamydia and he, he's never had like an original
thought in his life. I mean, he's he's kind of like
an easy target because he's such a midwick.
But there's other guys like many such cases.
Yeah. But there's other guys like Paul
Johnson, who's actually like a really good historian.
But then, you know, he'll get into and he doesn't have these
prejudices about like any other subject.
Like he'll talk about like the Creek War and King Philip's War
and the war against the Apaches. You know, these are like real,
like race wars. But he like doesn't sugarcoat
in. He doesn't pretend like, oh,
this is the evil white man oppressing this, you know,
these, these, these people in harmony with nature.
Like there's nothing like that. But then when it gets to World
War 2, it's oh, but of course, you know, the Soviet Union was
quote, UN quote, bad, but it, it paled in a person, you know,
quote, Nazi evil. So then like a lot of what he
says subsequent like doesn't make any sense about the 20th
century because he's got this like he's got this like
theological commitment that's totally at odds with with
reason. And it doesn't make sense, you
know, in terms of in terms of, you know, in terms of
identifying, you know, kind of the nature of of ideological
warfare and how war became total.
You know, and I made the point too, you know, by by the time of
really by 1965, this whole paradigm and kind of like lost
any like moral force or weight that it had.
You know, I mean, it was it was standing American policy as well
as, you know, that of the Warsaw Pact, an event of an event of
general war. We were prepared, capable and
willing to kill 80 million Russians.
I mean, that was the victory metric.
And nuclear war is assured destruction is the tipping point
at which the enemy can no longer reconstitute.
That breaks down to killing about 2/3 of an enemy society.
OK. I mean, so you can't.
Well, once that was openly bandied about in policy
corridors, like you can't just whatever internal logic this
paradigm may have had just just evaporated.
But yeah, I'm I'm rambling though, so I'll get it back to
you. No, no, I think I think there's
there's some really good inroads to this.
I mean, we're looking at the current situation in Ukraine and
I feel that that is both. That is basically the intent by
the people who have pushed Ukraine into this into the
suicide pact where 2/3 were were getting very thing very close to
2/3 of of of ethnic Ukrainians being either wiped out or
completely displaced, permanently displaced and so
that they can sell off or. Repopulate, let's say, that area
with whomever they like, whomever they want, and that
that was will become the new Ukrainian.
So it'll be very interesting to see, you know, black Africans
calling themselves Ukrainian. I'll be like, really my
Ukrainian brother. Well, that's, that's, that's
interesting. I mean, meanwhile Internet guys
will claim that they're based on right wing's.
They wear like little swastikas, just like so Winston.
Right. Yeah, Yeah, I will.
This is this is the this is where we're getting to, I think
with the narrative collapsing. I just did a talk with Stormy
Waters talking specifically about some financial situations
that are coming to a head. I'll send you that file.
Actually, if you haven't checked it out, I think you should
listen to that. One of the things he came to in
their discussion was that the, the unraveling of the economic
sector right now and this sort of suicide pact that the, that
Europe tried to get America to sign or cosign and explains a
lot of the trajectory right now is essentially the, the, the
Nuremberg or post Nuremberg economy and, or financial
system. And that is, you know, we of
course talk a lot about the Jews and the Zionists and etcetera.
But to give them a, a, a little bit of a of a break here, it's
not just the Jews, you know, if you, if you get these blinders
on. And this is kind of one of the
things I've been trying to address with the show.
And I'm going to make it much more poignant now because the
time for fucking around is over and the time for for Saturday
morning cartoon logic is over. We need to start moving forward
and we need to start moving forward fast.
And as you keep saying, you know, the we, we are the 1%.
Are you representative with the Vanguard?
And not just physically, but mentally.
And I want to weed out anybody who can't hang because if you're
not meant for this man, it's cool.
But you got to stop being around the space.
Like you got to go because you're you're sucking up is
you're sucking a bear. And yeah, that's why, yeah,
that's why I gatekeep very hard. And I think it's imperative.
Yeah. The it's, it's a topic for
another show, probably because it's it, it warrants involved
discussion. But I mean, I remember, you
know, back in, back in like the 2000s, like the Germans like
sent Goldman Sachs packing because like we don't invest in
derivatives. And they were trying to get
these German firms to, you know, tie up their equity, you know,
with with Goldman Sachs's portfolio.
And they and they like laughed in their face, you know, like
the the Europeans gutting their. I mean, it's just obviously it
was like the ongoing occupation and America carrying out little
terrorist attacks on German infrastructure.
But the way, you know, I make the point again and again and
people being a people having blinders on, they don't realize
that that that misses Merkel was the she was the only consular
worth of shit other than coal, like since the war.
And, you know, she was trying to do what she could to extricate,
you know, Germany from this, this the slavery of of usury.
And that's been, that's, that's been totally destroyed.
You know, the sort of binding is, I do think, I mean, the, the
Germans aren't going to tolerate some kind of general war with
Russia. I mean, that's preposterous
anyways. Not the manpower, the political
will or, or the, the munitions of hardware to, to carry that
out. But the, I mean, people, you
know, it's, it's like Afd is, is pulling away that it is.
I mean, don't be wrong. Like if, if Afd continues to
breakthrough, they'll just be banned.
My point is that there's limits to what the occupation regime
can do, you know, and, and the Germans aren't going to commit
suicide alongside Ukraine for, you know, some, some Zionist
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Yeah, this, I mean, this is getting getting us to the
current situation. Russia.
As of this recording, Putin has made a statement yet again,
warning there's been two statements made, one out of the
one out of the Biden White House.
And then a response from Putin essentially boils down to that
America and its NATO allies are considering, and we might have
news about this very shortly, about allowing Ukraine to launch
missile strikes deep into Russian territory.
Putin's response on this is pretty chilling.
What he said is that, look, we know that Ukraine can't strike
these targets without US satellites and Intel.
We also know that that Ukraine can't, there's no Ukrainian army
left who can actually operate these weapon systems with any
degree of efficiency. So that leads us to believe that
that NATO personnel are manning these.
Not only are you supplying the weapons and the delivery systems
and the Intel, but you're firing them as well, which is then
we're going to declare this NATO entering the war against Russia,
which would kick off a much larger conflict.
Well, yeah, he has no choice. I mean, he these munitions to.
I mean, the big problem Ukraine has right now, I mean, there's
there's no military path to victory for Ukraine.
So there's there's there's none and there never was.
But there never was. Yeah.
Within, within this within like the kind of bound, the
irrationality of what they're doing.
They're trying this this bizarre kind of deployment to curse.
Makes bounded sense if you realize that the Kharkov front,
if the Kharkov front collapses like like they can't pretend
that Ukraine's in the game anymore.
And the big thing that's hurting, the big thing that's
killing Ukraine army is a Russian artillery and and
they're pounding these positions with the thermobaric munition,
which are devastating. So start opening up this front
in Kursk where apparently they've lost somewhere in the
ballpark at 10,000 men, which is insane in a.
Week they lost majority of those in a week.
Yeah, it's totally insane. But the you know, there's no way
they believe that like, OK, well, this, you know, this, this
army group and curse is going to, is going to or army grouping
army group is going to fight, is going to like fight on reverse
fronts, you know, an assault the Russian main line of resistance
from the rear and, and like for some kind of Russian surrender.
Like obviously, like nobody thinks that even totally
delusional people like Blinken or or like Zelensky.
So it's enough for it's, it's like a desperate kind of rigor
action. It'll take pressure off the car
cop front and score like literal headlines and clout.
We're like, oh, see, we're we're still in the game.
We're we're launching offensives into Russia and it curse no
less. But when you start deploying
what really brought the Cold War to the brink in the final cycle
of the Paradigm was a intermediate range ballistic
missiles and ground loss ground launch cruise missiles in on the
German border because they could they could reach Moscow in 5
minutes. OK, so you're talking about a
hypersonic ignition being deployed in Ukraine.
Even if they're like basically the metric, it seems kind of
arbitrary. But for treaty purposes as well
as like military science purposes, a tactical nuclear
warhead is like anything. It is basically like the special
is like 5 kilotons. OK, if you're with all these
weapon systems, they could be married to a nuclear warhead
like in NITS. You cannot have you, you can't,
you can't have these theater based missile platforms in
Ukraine. You you can't have that.
And like no, no Russian executive would tolerate that.
So if like the British are going to show up with these platforms
and like advisors, like, yeah, I, you're Putin is correct,
that's an act of war. And if they start popping these
off and killing Russian people, that warrants that that that
warrants returning to serve by assaulting the UK.
I mean, it's just a fact, you know, whether Putin would have
the will or not to do it if he didn't, he may well be removed
from office and some and a man who who does have the will will
take his place. You know, I don't, I think this
is just cap. I think it's bullshit because I,
I can't believe that even the State Department is that stupid
or that this kind of even this silly guy and his his Prime
Minister always looks like he's always about to cry, like at
all. I, I, I, I, I don't believe even
he is like that delusional, but +2 like it's not going to help
the Ukrainians. Again.
It's like, what's your objective here?
Is your objective just to is your objective just to keep on?
I mean, the one thing that whatever there was this problem
is their, their problems are legion.
They can handle attrition basically indefinitely.
So I mean, like, what's your objective?
You're going to you're you're going to escalate potentially
with theater wide conflicts just to continue to kind of, you
know, like kill Russians on the Ukrainian frontier and in these
kind of suicide operations like Kursk.
I mean, I don't, you know, I made the point at the outset of
hostilities, like, I mean, years back now, I mean, where does the
time go? But there's no such thing as
NATO unless Biden or whatever cipher is in the White House and
put in a call to Berlin order the whoever the consular is to
mobilize all military age males. They'll then do that.
The Germans will deploy combined arms to the combat zone to
assault the Russian Federation, including use of biological and
nuclear weapons if necessary. You know, they'll absorb a
million casualties if they have to, and they'll continue to push
into Russian territory to annihilate their importance to
the Russian Federation and prevent their ability to
reconstitute. There is absolutely no chance of
that happening. There is no chance of that
happening. And a friend of mine who is down
range and he was using the Marine Corps in the infantry,
then he was in naval intelligence.
You know, he never talked in any.
Suddenly he pointed out to me, he's like, you know, at the peak
of AUS attrition in Iraq, about 19 Army infantrymen were going
down a week. And it was like straining things
to the breaking point. OK, so you're going to fight the
Russian Federation when you can't take more than like 20
casualties a week, like in your infantry arm?
Really. I mean, that's, that's not
reality, you know, and nobody, nobody thinks that's reality and
nobody thinks that the Germans are going to are going to wage.
No one thinks the Germans are going to take a million dead to
fight the Russians. And you know, or that the
capability there exists. I mean the Russians, the Germans
haven't the Germans have some high speed, low drag like
special operations types and like police types.
They've they've been handling a conventional combined arms
capability in depth since 1990. Then they have it, it doesn't
exist. But that was probably good in a
tangent, but that's. No, I think it's it ties into we
mean I've had you on the show talking about Russia before and
we've I've talked about it numerous times since they kick
off this of the conflict. And I've said, we've said you
and I have said, I remember getting, getting kickback on
this where I said, you know, now NATO has the failure of NATO is
complete because now they have made Russia the, the most
powerful standing army in the world because of the experience
they've had. So now you have what?
Now I think the numbers are roughly around 300,000, let's
say between 3 and 400,000 ground troops and personnel who, who
have been fighting a hot war against NATO and against,
against, you know, modern weaponry and have massive
amounts of combat experience from everyone from the grunts to
the generals. So anyone you send in there is a
meat grinder because you're going to spend like Poland,
like, because. And what really upsets me is
that people keep falling back into these bullshit narratives.
And we'll get back to that maybe with the to tie it up with the
the Nuremberg narrative. You hear things like this is
coming out of Ukraine that all those you know, those plucky
Ukrainians, you know, they're Ukrainian spirits lava Ukraine.
Yeah, they're they're they're going to will their way to win.
And one note I said here is like it's wind conditions that don't
make any sense. It never made any sense.
No. And I think going.
Forward to it, Yeah. Like the point of warfare is not
to just like keep keep conducting it for as long as
possible. And the Ukrainians also, it's
not like they're in the position that like the Croats were in 95.
Like it's not like Ukraine, it's not like there's like this kind
of hostile Russian army in the Donbass and there's, you know, a
90% of the population like identifies as Ukrainian and like
hates the fact that they're under occupation.
It's like literally the precise opposite of that.
So it's like, let's say the Ukrainian army tomorrow, by some
miracle, it like reconstituted as this like, you know, totally
cutting edge force. And it just like it just like
smashed like through the Russian mainline of resistance at
Karkov. And you know, like, by some
miracle, like push the Russians back, you know, to, you know,
across the their own frontier. Like, what are you going to do?
Are you going to like ethnically cleanse the Don Bass?
I mean, you're going to like kill everybody there who speaks
Russian? I mean, like what?
Like even even if, even if it was militarily possible to, you
know, to liberate eastern Ukraine, you know, break the
back of the of the Ivans, prevent them from
reconstituting. But like the and then, then
like, what would you do? I mean, would you, would, would
you do what the Serbs did then, you know, in, in these, in these
Muslim and crud territories? I'm not like bashing Serbian
people. I mean, it was this is what
happened. You know, you're going to like
ethnically cleanse the Donbass of everybody who speaks Russian.
I mean, I, you know, there's not there was never, you know, this,
this is a rare example. Like I said before, like totally
rationality. And yeah, I the Russians.
I mean, it's time, the fact that it's kind of sick to just to
clear like, well, our policy is to kind of just keep throwing
the hardware and ammo and and weapon systems and and human
beings were treating as pawns into this battle space to to
kind of harass the Russians. But it's like, again, I mean
like the the Russians can indefinitely absorb attrition
and it's, you know, at that level, I mean, I and +2 it's
like if you're gay, if you're jive, which I mean, idiotic is
in AB. I mean, I'll just for the sake
of argument, if it blinkens jive, it's like, oh, well,
eventually people will turn against United Russia and Putin.
It's like not if you're pointing hypersonic missiles at them from
300 kilometers away. Like it's, it's like saying like
I'll, you know, if I it says that's like saying I go to work
tomorrow and start pointing a gun at people.
They'll be my friend. You know what I mean?
It's like it's, it's totally at odds of human nature.
And you know, you, there's certain, again, I'm not sure
people understand this. I'm not, and that's not an
expert in rocketry or, or like modern avionics or, or, or field
artillery or anything. But I, I don't, I'm not sure
most people like grassy locations are deploying these
kinds of theater based missile platforms, you know, literally
like a couple 100 kilometers away from the capital city of
another country. I mean, that's, that's a mortal
threat to potentially millions of people.
You know, you cannot tolerate it.
You absolutely cannot tolerate it.
I mean, it's not Kennedy didn't Kennedy didn't almost go
nuclear, go to, you know, go to DEFCON one with the Soviet
Union. It's a as a flex.
OK, You you cannot allow. You, you cannot allow those,
those kinds of munitions to be, to be platformed on your
literally on your own frontier. You know, whether it's 90 miles
away in Cuba, whether it's, you know, a couple 100 kilometers
away in Ukraine, whether you know, in, in, in the, in the, in
the modern era, like in military terms after about the 1970s, I
mean, you couldn't tolerate such a deployment at the inner German
border. If you're the Russians, you
know, this isn't, there's nothing to do with like Putin
or, or like whatever boogeyman people have in mind.
Like no, no Russian executive would, would or could tolerate
that. Like whatever is political
stripe, it just can't be tolerated, you know, and not for
people to realize. That I think the other thing
people are missing is that you know and this and this came out
with a stormy talk is that George Bush junior sorry, first
few years at his presidency. I mean, he was being essentially
directed by the Carlisle Group through his dad who was working,
who has been working with them and was very friendly with the
Carlisle Group who had bought up People Don't know.
At the end of the Cold War, Carl went and bought pretty much all
of the independent military contractors that were starting
to go bankrupt because the Cold War was over and a lot of their
services weren't needed. They bought all that up, of
course Rally during Desert Storm and the idea when with with
Junior was was about all about ballistic missiles and building
an Iron Dome Star Wars, right. This is a continuation the
Reagan regime, you know, late stage Reagan and then some
dancing Jews happened and that kind of derailed things for for
about 20 years. It's back now and The Carlyle
Group is flexing. This is why I believe and I made
the statement. And then people can can, you
know, at me if this doesn't turn out to be the truth.
But Trump is going to be installed.
All this, everything else right now is just, it's just song and
dance. And there will be no more.
Yeah. My buddy Jay Burton, that's his
take also. And like I, he may be right.
I mean, I made a point. I don't want to get in an
argument or not with you, but I want to get into a discussion
about like Peter Thiel and what whatever I think of him, like
whatever Thiel's, whatever his issues, like he's not, he's not
a dummy and he's certainly not just going to like throw money
at stuff like for appearance sake.
And I mean, he's he's been dumping a shit load of money
into Trump's coffers. And I don't think Trump has any
money. Like it's not something like
slam on Trump, but I, you know, like, like burden also pointed
out, I mean, you know, Trump has a lot of assets.
I don't I don't think he's got like liquid capital.
I think he's broke, you know, and he's that, you know, that
that means he'd basically be like this campaign wouldn't be
like Trump wouldn't be, he wouldn't be be able to stage
this campaign. We're not for these like Silicon
Valley guys and these and the and these war tech guys.
Your point? They're like war tech adjacent
guys, you know, like, like basically like paying for the
whole show. And it's like what?
And again, like, what are they? What are they going to say about
these people? They're not they're not stupid
about money. Like they're just like burning
money to to keep up a charade. Like I don't, I don't accept
that. Yeah, I think you may really be.
Right. Yeah, they're not.
They're not the government. Yeah, no, yeah, exactly.
They actually, they actually understand the value of money in
macro terms. And yeah, they're not just going
to piss it away. Well, it's also too, I mean,
it'd be these guys, especially the American regime is not that
produceable to money, but like money will get you pretty far.
And it's like, I mean, these guys could these guys, these
guys could buy off Trump's OP, they could buy off Trump's OPS
also. I mean, it's not like they got
away. It's not like, it's like, it's
not like people, it's not like other than Trump, people won't
take their money. I mean, it's like, yeah.
So I mean, obviously there's some something beyond, you know,
just Katherine clout. It has to do with, you know,
long term development and and other things of, of, of, you
know, whatever pet projects they want to see come to fruition.
But yeah, that's kind of a tangent on my end, I mean.
As always, Sir, it's always a pleasure to have you on first of
all. And second of all, this show is
dedicated to going where the conversation goes.
So we go where it goes and fuck all the rest.
Just to tie it back up and put me to put a bow on the Nuremberg
or post Nuremberg regime as you will.
And kind of living in the 20th century.
What are your? OK, so let's let's play the
scenario up because now Jamie Dimon is signalling that
America's heading into a massive recession.
I think it'll be a global Great Depression, at least in the
financial markets, things that people are aren't prepared for.
We have Haitians eating dogs and cats.
We have various other things going on in the world and
locally. So let's set the scenario right.
Trump is installed in November. Let's say there's some Hoo ha
shit. But but come January, he's sworn
in and that's it. That's all.
And immediately he he moves to end the war in Ukraine and
starts to implement some of his some of his designs.
I think if you've spoken about this pretty eloquently on X,
there's these people who are blackpooled about Trump,
especially after the debate, this win loss thing.
Maybe this is where he can even get into a little bit of Hagel.
You know, there's people create these false dialectics and they
obsessed with winning and losing, but they don't even know
understand what what a win or a loss is.
They have no win conditioner either.
They they're they're they're so they're such massive losers that
like every their life is lost. So I don't know what they think.
What worse would what's worse than having no balls?
I don't know. So maybe we can speak to that.
Is that so there's a scenario things are getting better, but I
fear, well, I fear I think a lot of people in our sphere will
then take that as a win and just go back to sleep, which in my
mind is actually kind of a win. But I don't know that's that's a
bit I'm. I'm rambling a little bit on
this one because I'm trying to pull a few threads from.
Assuming, I mean, yeah, if Trump, if Trump gets sworn in
for a second term that basically neutralize a lot of a lot of
hostility to the regime, OK. I mean, from people who aren't
like real thoughtful. OK.
I mean, I'm not, I'm not just like dumping on people
categorically. Like a lot of guys got wives and
kids in support. They and I mean, everybody's
different, OK, I mean, like, it's not not everybody's
supposed to be sitting around kind of contemplating, you know,
political developments and stuff.
But I mean, one of the reasons it's goofy that and you could
tell the regime was slipping was like the, the, the fact they
went totally berserk about Trump.
I mean, it's like I said, it proves that like they, you know,
you've got you have this kind of media apparatus, which is like a
which is like the front man of the regime.
But they actually, I mean, they've got clout in a way.
And that they can like they can fuck with public opinion and
kind of like confabulate narratives.
But but they're, they're not the people are actually bankrolling
this. They're not the people actually
make rendering decisions, but like they think they are and
they don't, they don't, they don't understand that like one
of the functions like a guy like Trump serves is that he lets you
basically like neutralize your OPS because then they your alibi
is like, look, you guys have as much representation as anybody
else, you know, even more so like your man's in the White
House. That's one of the functions like
Reagan served. You know, I mean, I, I'm not
like down on Reagan particularly, but I, you know,
I, I think people will understand what I mean.
But yeah, I by, by, by early going to war with Trump.
They're, it's there, there's a real like ignorance there and
just kind of like lack of understanding of, of the game
itself. And yeah, I, you know, we're, I
make the point of people that we're not the Jehovah's
Witnesses, We're not Joel Osteen's mega church and we're
not, we're not trying to like convert people, you know, like
go door to door and like sign people up for something, you
know, and it's I, I, is it good for us if I think generally it's
good for us if, if Trump's being totally marginalized because
then that means like the masses totally dropped.
You know, I'm always making the point that the regimes and like
a late Soviet stage, like nobody takes it seriously.
There's no credibility. It's like nakedly corrupt.
It, it can no longer attract people who, who, who have
anything going for them. You know, it's, it's just it's
kind of like naked careerists. You can't succeed anywhere else.
And you know, that's if there's not going to be some like
November 9, 1989 moment. Like that's not what I'm saying.
If, you know, there's even been a shamble on for several more
decades, but it's, you know, it's, it's, it's obsolete.
I mean, everything goes aside. I mean, it's, it's, it's a 20th
century artifact. You know, it doesn't, it
doesn't, it doesn't really index with the world as it is today.
Like even I'm not even talking in, in terms of it's ideological
prejudices. I mean, I've said it's part of
it, but it's like structurally like it doesn't, it's, it's the
house that FDR and then the Cold War built.
You know, it's not it's, it's not it's, it doesn't have a
context anymore. Everything else aside.
Yeah, I think that's, I think that's kind of the moment we're
at. And that's an interesting moment
that essentially the regime has existed long enough on this, you
know, this empire of lies, to quote Putin has existed in this
ever, ever increasing significant zone of farce,
leaving its own narrative to the point now where it's no longer
dealing with reality And reality's about to slap it in
the face. You know, the sovereign debt
crisis and the sovereign debt bubble that's about to explode
is going to consume the world. It's it's like it's, it's an
econ nuclear bomb. And I don't think a lot of
people are prepared for that reality of walking to town one
day and seeing, let's say 90% of the stores closed gone, like not
not coming back kind of thing. And that will, I think
facilitate, it'll be interesting to see how people react to that.
I, you know, I, I think about the Haitian thing that's being
in the news right now and it's like a lot, it's amazing to me
how how few people have ever really lived at St. level.
Because when you're living at St. level, a lot of these
stories like, yeah, of course. Yeah.
What would you, you didn't, you didn't fucking know this.
Yeah. I mean, honestly, I probably, I
probably got a higher tolerance for like total dysfunction than
I should. Like, I don't mean like in my
personal life or something. I mean that I I'm lucky enough
to live in like a really nice town, but you know, I it's, I
mean Chicago and where's Chicago lands unusual because like block
to block in town and town things vary dramatically.
And like I, I'm outnumbered 1000 to one here.
And like there's, there's all kinds of like literally like
crazy, like third world bullshit going on at all times.
I kind of like don't even notice it anymore.
And perverse as it might seem, I, I kind of thrive in it, you
know, like not, not because I like it or because I enjoy like
that that kind of thing's happening.
What it's, you know, I'm, I'm kind of an urban survivalist.
But yeah, I think I realized that.
I realized that I think about 20 years ago because like I, I
especially like especially then it was people kind of do it even
more of their head in the sand and it's like they had no
concept of what was actually happening.
Like out of doors. Literally.
They realized like, well, these people like live in some like
kind of like random suburb no one's actually from.
And they there's not crazy refugee like refugees, you know,
being settled there. There's not like there's not
crazy like hood bullshit there. There's not, you know, and then
probably like, you know, they probably live in like a suburb
that's like, you know, 80% white and like every town and with
like an Asian minority or something.
And like every town for 100 miles is like that, you know?
So, yeah, I think I think a lot of that's true.
And so as you know, because like a lot of people, like a lot of
people just don't leave their house, you know, like I, I
realized that because I mean, like I'm always kind of just
like on foot and like walking around and stuff.
I mean, not just because I don't have a car and like in the big
city, that's just what you do. You like go see stuff.
But like, I realized it's like the only like the only people I
see if I go to like a museum or the beach or something, or if
I'm just like, it's like I do like kids, you know, some of
whom are like good kids, like, you know, doing normal stuff,
some of whom are like bad hood kids and like oldsters, you
know, like I don't, I don't see anyone like, I don't see any
like the prime working age people or like people my age
like out outside, you know, it's, and I'm like, I, I used to
think about it, like, is everybody either like a kid or
an old person? And I'm like, no, I'm like these
motherfuckers just like don't leave their house, which is
totally insane. But I, I'm not trying to be
funny. I I like I it's like a real
thing. Yeah, I mean, I'm guilty of
that. I but I live in I.
Mean you got a family. It's different.
Yeah, and I just try to avoid stupid at all at all costs.
So I, I rarely, I, I rarely venture much further than the
711 down the street. Thomas, we're coming up on the
hour again. Thank you so much.
Any last thoughts, any wrap UPS you want to do?
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So yeah, please let's end with this one.
One last thought and then we will get to the, to the pitch
deck. How do you see this playing out?
What do you, what do you think is most likely?
Because I mean, I've talked about the Spear of the Vengeful
Sun coming in and this being an age of total violence, not just
kinetic, but economic, social, everything.
This just sort of tearing down momentum, which I feel is
building all over the West, partly in, in reaction to
immigration, partly in, in reaction to this awareness of
generational betrayal, which I think this Nuremberg moment, if
we want to call that, is revealing things to people.
And people are getting pissed because they're realizing now.
And, and it doesn't have to be 140 IQ, you know, historical
revisionist thinking these things anymore.
Even even the plebs are, are, are getting the message on some
level and it's turning people vengeful.
So that's my kind of prediction. How do you think?
But you're, you're on, you're on the ground in America.
I'm not. How do you think that plays out?
What do you any insights and into let's say the next 4-4
years, four or five years? Yeah.
I mean, I maintain, as I have maintained in the past few
years, I mean, bad as things are, and I mean, don't get me
wrong, like I mean 2020 to 2022 was, was like really fucked up,
but it, it still was not as bad as the 90s.
You know, it just wasn't. And I, there's not, there's not
like a race war in the year. Like there wasn't in the 90s.
You know, when I, if there was, I, I wouldn't be able to.
I, I mean, I can, I can, I can pretty much go to like any hood
I want and like, ain't nothing going to happen.
And it was not at all like that 30 years ago.
I mean, I think I, I don't think there's going to be some, you
know, like I said, I don't think there's going to be some
punctuated crisis of a structural nature, right?
I think, I think the regime's dying.
It's just bleeding out from 1000 peripheral cuts.
And yeah, I, I think increasingly it's, it's, it's
lost even what vestigial credibility it might have still
had, you know, and, and not just moral terms, but conceptual
ones. Like people, people don't even
really just believe what these regime functionaries declare,
you know, to people. People realize that like what
they're presenting as reality is, is not remotely a complete
picture. If, if, if it's, if it's not, if
not an out and out, you know, confabulation.
But it's hard to say. I, I think, I think the things
have been pretty intense really the last eight years.
It's not, I mean, they reached a peak kind of around 2020-2021.
And then of course, the, the, the lockdown tyranny and all
that shit with its own thing. I think things will probably be
for barely chill, like fairly calm, like speaking
sociologically and at scale. I think there's, it's here.
Well, some of the topics we've covered just now I, I think
internationally, globally and warrant peace terms.
I think there's going to be some very severe developments.
I think they're already under way, but the internal situation
here, I think it's in kind of a holding pattern.
But the holding pattern is contains a, a very clear
process, a deterioration of the of the state's sovereign
authority and legitimacy and everything else.
That's the best I got for. Today I feel that.
I think that's pretty damn good. Thank you again, Thomas.
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