1 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,800 Hello and welcome to another episode of Casting Views, the 2 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,400 podcast that takes a topic each week and as the name suggests, 3 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,680 Cast Views this week. It's another Mindwipe episode 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,160 and I've not recorded one of these for a while, so I'm 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,320 looking forward to this, but even more so because the victim, 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,640 I mean subject this week. Oh well, subject's probably not 7 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,920 better than victim. Is it Dan? 8 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:36,240 I don't. Know I'm not sure which I'm 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,160 preferred to be honest. The subject makes me sound like 10 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:41,200 a lab experiment. Maybe it is mine. 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,520 Wipe. I'm a lab experiment. 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,360 Go here. We go the word I wanted is the 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:51,600 guest this week is my good friend Dan H from well from life 14 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,440 and also from life from life and the gaming views podcast. 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,160 Hi, Dan, how you doing? Hey mate, what we should do is 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,800 my good friend from previous working establishments walking 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:08,600 the dog and life in general. Yeah, I keep saying I'm 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,040 notoriously bad for intros and that just sums it all up so. 19 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,760 Hey, it works for me. I'm I'm used to this chaos, 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,560 right? Every week we record gaming 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:18,560 beauties. This is the same. 22 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,760 How many edits shall we make this time? 23 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,560 Well now peek behind the curve for you. 24 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,720 What people don't realise is we've been recording this for 25 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,240 about 30 minutes already. We're only a minute in. 26 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:32,640 Say say 30 seconds now Dan, and then edit that bit. 27 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,720 Look, all right, bad intro aside, Dan, obviously people 28 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,120 will have heard you on here a couple of times when we were 29 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,040 trialling the Gaming Views podcast. 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,400 But of course we are Co hosts of Gaming Views podcast. 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,200 And if you're not listening to that people, I'll put the link 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,840 in there. Go go subscribe now. 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,160 But yeah, Dan, tell us a bit about a little bit about 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,280 yourself, about how you are and about gaming views. 35 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,240 I'm super well and I say that in all honesty I'm, you know, 36 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,520 living my best life at the moment the switch to arrived 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,080 today one reason so there you go not that my life revolves around 38 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,680 gaming just got back from a short break last week. 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,840 So yeah on on fine form gaming views wow I mean it's just been 40 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,760 a blast. The last kind of six weeks have 41 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,160 just been incredible. I am not, as people will know 42 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,680 from the things I say and the numbers I get wrong and 43 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,360 everything else, a a a seasoned podcaster. 44 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,080 However, Many thanks to you for introducing me to that world and 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,920 I've just enjoyed every single minute of it. 46 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,200 You know, we're what, 6 episodes in now and I've barely repeated 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,000 myself other than mentioning RoboCop. 48 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,520 So that's that's. Done it now. 49 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,040 Yes, I'm going to switch that to Half Life from now and I swear. 50 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,960 So yeah, it's it's just been phenomenal. 51 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,760 Look, we take a different subject or a different deep dive 52 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,560 every week and we go into detail on it. 53 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,720 Sometimes it'll be a bit of news, sometimes it'll focus on, 54 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:57,280 you know, a specific game or a specific topic. 55 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,240 And we've done, you know, a number of things. 56 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,800 We've done the RPGs, we've done Half Life. 57 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,440 You know, we've done a general pilot on just us and our history 58 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:06,480 of gaming. Yeah. 59 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,600 And that my background doesn't just revolve around gaming. 60 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:11,960 I am a massive nerd, as you'll probably find out over the next 61 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,960 hour or so. You know, I, I grew up with a 62 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,040 pretty large family. And my solace and calm from the 63 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,560 space of chaos that was that family was nerdy, geeky things 64 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,880 like comic books and sci-fi movies and fantasy and Dungeons 65 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,720 and Dragons. And if you could take a peek 66 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,960 into my office where I sit now doing this, you would see just 67 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,240 from, and you've seen this down, right? 68 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:39,000 So you would see I am surrounded by more Lego builds than 69 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,080 probably anything else. I also have detached Deadpool 70 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,240 heads and Deadpool builder bears and I have lots of video games 71 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,920 consoles and Dragons and all just all sorts. 72 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,080 It's just littered around my room. 73 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,240 That really leads to tidy up to for actually now I'm feeling 74 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,680 quite guilty. But yeah, so look need to 75 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,800 podcasting. Absolutely enjoying it and 76 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,320 loving doing what we're doing. I'm really, really pleased to be 77 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,520 here doing this with you. I listened to these of your cast 78 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,960 of views and I've listened to lots of them historically as 79 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,920 well and it's one of my favourite episodes. 80 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,240 So I've been I've been changing to get on here and do this with 81 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,880 you. No, Well, I really appreciate 82 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,480 that and there's a lot you said there. 83 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,320 I want to pick up on a couple of things. 84 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,839 So I'm not going to call you. I was going to say I was agree 85 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,600 with you, but I'm not going to call you a big nerd. 86 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,880 What I'm going to say is you're a massive lover and fan of the 87 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,040 geekdom, what I think is called geekdom and and yeah, it's 88 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,920 brilliant. And as Dan said, it's, yeah, I 89 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,800 obviously I've been, I've, I've been around his house a number 90 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,240 of times and it's, it's a treasure trove of really cool 91 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,680 stuff, isn't it? Thank. 92 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:39,960 You great. I appreciate that. 93 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,400 Yeah, I think that. And and you think that when my 94 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,160 Lego starts creeping into the living room and my wife's like, 95 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,640 why have we got a Wolverine's claw as a as an ornament? 96 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,400 I'm not sure she agrees. If you need to keep anything 97 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,400 round my house, just let me let me know, but. 98 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,880 Your shelves are going to be full behind you. 99 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,440 That's what's going to happen. And my stuff. 100 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,560 Yeah, that's it. And yeah, you know, you said 101 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,840 about gaming views, it is funny. It's I think that has come along 102 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,720 at the right time as well for me because I'd said to you, you 103 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,480 know, I'd wanted to do sort of something on gaming and and you 104 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,880 then kind of like, yeah, yeah, I'll be up for it, I'll be up 105 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,040 for it. And what I like is you've kind 106 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,800 of pushed to do things different for me as well. 107 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,080 Like we've now started doing video on gaming games. 108 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,560 You know, as of well, I think this goes out in a couple of 109 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,880 weeks. So hopefully by the time this 110 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,600 gone out, we've done 2, maybe 3 video episodes on YouTube, which 111 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,680 I've been thinking about for a while. 112 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,880 But you just kind of carry on as you are. 113 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,080 So you've like now want to do video and and we've got it done. 114 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:42,000 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And, and I think the main reason 115 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,320 I wanted to do that was because when you told me you'd only be 116 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,200 able to do it with a green screen, I wanted to see you 117 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,760 suffer sitting at a tiny little circle of green that I can then 118 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,800 edit any backdrop I want on. I'm joking. 119 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,520 I've. Got a huge amount of trust in 120 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,000 you, I think. I hope everyone listening. 121 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,080 Yeah, that that's, that's the kind of trust I've got in this 122 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,520 man. You'll know when Dan and I fall 123 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,680 out because literally his backdrop will not be what he's 124 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,240 expecting. But no, I, I think I look, we, 125 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:07,680 we complement each other quite well. 126 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,440 You, you know, you are very much a planner and a, you know, you 127 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,840 know, where you want things to be and how you want them to be. 128 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,840 I had a little drop of chaos into that. 129 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:18,640 And I think together we come up with, you know, in the same way 130 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,880 we complement each other around the whole gaming scene, right? 131 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,600 You, you are, you know, you love your retro, you love revisiting 132 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,360 things you've done or haven't done previously on older 133 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,360 generations. Got that. 134 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,440 And I'm very much so I love the new stuff. 135 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,520 You know, I'm a day one purchaser, whether or, you know, 136 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,080 which basically means huge buyers remorse all the time. 137 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,800 But but I think that complements us very, really well. 138 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:44,840 I, I can, you know, I've got the PS5 and the switch, you've got 139 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:47,280 the, the Xbox and, and the other retro stuff. 140 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:49,280 So I think, you know, in that, in that respect, it works really 141 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:51,400 well for us. And you know, we coming from 142 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,440 different backgrounds and different, you know, growing up 143 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,800 in, in a different way, in different spaces, you know, we, 144 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,240 we just, I think it works really well, you know, and I'm, I'm 145 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,560 genuinely, you know, not players wake up. 146 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,160 Yeah, but I'm genuinely really pleased about the whole thing 147 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,160 and I think it's going really well and I love doing it with 148 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:06,840 you. No, I appreciate it and and the 149 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:10,200 same, I think what I would say to people is honestly, look, 150 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,920 even if you don't think you're into gaming, if you've heard the 151 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,560 last sort of 5-6 minutes conversation, that's kind of 152 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,280 what we're like on on the show. We're not pretty much when I say 153 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,920 we're not, we don't say takes seriously. 154 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,160 It's not that it's not a serious pop, but we're like you said, 155 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,120 we'll take a subject and we're having that conversation we're 156 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,120 having now. It's just two friends talking 157 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,000 about something they love doing right. 158 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,080 It's. Yeah, exactly. 159 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,680 Yeah. And again, that's kind of what 160 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,600 I've really enjoyed because I've enjoyed doing this. 161 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:41,280 I mean, coming up to actually this will be episode 198. 162 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,800 So it's coming up to 200 episodes almost in in September 163 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:45,920 this year. It'll be four years. 164 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,440 I'm. Going to get you a cake. 165 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,000 Thank you. There is no cake, isn't it? 166 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:51,920 Do? That joke. 167 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,000 Yeah, I'm going now. I'm going to get you a 200, a 168 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,240 200, maybe just a muffin, but I'm going to get you a. 169 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,080 Well, there you go. I look forward to that. 170 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,080 Yeah, I look on our walk on a Sunday. 171 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,000 But yeah, I've always had the idea of wanting, like I said, 172 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,720 wanting to do games but a gaming podcast, but just, I just didn't 173 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,400 want to do that on my own. And, you know, it's just one of 174 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:12,600 those things. So I thought, no then. 175 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,840 And then like I said, no, you've come along, like I said, with 176 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,480 the energy that we, you know, needed for it and yeah, take it 177 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,640 to it straight away. So like I said, you know, if 178 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,800 you're not listening, just give us a try, couple of episodes. 179 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,640 And even if you don't, still press the subscribe button 180 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,880 right? 100% always press the subscribe 181 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,040 button. I have to say I am. 182 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,760 My arm is still recovering from RSI from the amount you had to 183 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,559 twist it to get me to do it though, so you know it's that 184 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,840 was a joke. Well, like I said, I I'm, I'm 185 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,480 just dreading when it gets to the real hot summer days and 186 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,760 I've got that green screen right up behind me and I've got the 187 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,320 light shining on it. No, we're, we're going to get 188 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,000 your, we're going to get your room sorted before then. 189 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,000 We'll just we're going green. Ain't ain't the room No. 190 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,240 No. We'll do the whole works. 191 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,680 We'll get you looking like mine for a fraction of the cost. 192 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:03,480 It'll be not the same. It'll be, it'll be Dan P We'll 193 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,640 get it. Who said? 194 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,720 Someone said to me at work today what I should do is get you to 195 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,000 stand up, take a screenshot of your background and then you can 196 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,520 put that on the green screen. I did think of that. 197 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,680 I did think of very much of just doing a shot of my background 198 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:19,600 and put it on yours. It would look a bit weird. 199 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,920 Why did they got the same? Just a picture of you. 200 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,720 With my arm around you. All right. 201 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,040 Well, thank you. Thank you for for that little 202 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,320 intro there. We'll hear from some friends of 203 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,560 mine and we'll come back very shortly. 204 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,800 In a world with so many movies to choose from, one hero will 205 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,760 rise. The Movie Wire podcast with host 206 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,720 Justin Hansen TuneIn, wherever you listen to podcasts. 207 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:51,920 Right. Dance. 208 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,520 So I do you know what this is? When you said you'd do this, I 209 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,080 was really pleased because kind of what you said before the 210 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,360 break, what I know about you, how much you love pop culture. 211 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,760 I've been really looking forward to having you on for this, to 212 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,200 hear what you're choosing and know that for some of these it 213 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,040 was probably a very difficult thing to try get it down to 214 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,680 maybe just three items. Absolutely, I was at pains for a 215 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:22,160 lot of these things, but thankfully and genuinely and 216 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,040 this and this will this actually, I'll tell you now 217 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,840 because while I was listening to some of your previous ones and 218 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,560 particularly the ones from the guys that the dad podcast, the 219 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:35,320 Middle East, our podcast. So a number of their picks were 220 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,120 ones that would have been on my list. 221 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,600 Oh, really? Yeah, 100%. 222 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,200 So starting with starting with Breaking Bad, I've always said 223 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,720 out of any program, if I was ever one I was going to wipe and 224 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,040 watch again, it would be that. And I didn't want to do a repeat 225 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,160 because I think those guys did it, I think was raging. 226 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,200 I think he did it succinctly and beautifully. 227 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:56,760 So I was like, I'm not going to do that. 228 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:58,960 Another one was, I think he did was Buffy. 229 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:00,960 Yeah. And again, I was like, no, I'm 230 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,120 not going to do that. So, so, so those guys picked up 231 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,480 on some stuff that that I was going to pick up on. 232 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,000 So I've, I've steered away from that and I've gone to my other 233 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,160 choices, which hopefully you won't have had, won't have been 234 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,720 on there. Maybe a tiny bit out there for a 235 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,960 couple of them. But I think most people will, 236 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,440 especially if you're a bit of a geek or an edge, and you'll know 237 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:20,920 and appreciate them, maybe even love them. 238 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,680 Like I said, knowing how much you love, like all, all things 239 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:27,880 media, whatever you pick, I'm going to be fascinated by. 240 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:33,640 So we are going to start in the random order in terms of how I 241 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,880 wrote them to WhatsApp to you. I'm going to keep it probably in 242 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,960 that order. Let's start with TVTV. 243 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,360 OK, so number one on my list, and you might remember this from 244 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,040 when we were together because I used to talk about it non-stop. 245 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:54,320 It's a comedy show, BBC Two, probably around early 2000, 246 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,240 somewhere like that, but it's the Mighty Boosh. 247 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,960 You know, just when you said when we're working together now, 248 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:03,680 people just bear in mind this was what, probably 2000 and six, 249 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:06,040 2008, something like that. Yeah, yeah, I. 250 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,960 Think I knew straight away what you were going to say. 251 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,680 So yeah, the Mighty Boosh. Go for it. 252 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,040 My sense of humour is quite off kilter most of the time, you 253 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,480 know, I'll find people I click with in terms of my sense of 254 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:16,600 humour. Sometimes it could be a bit 255 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,360 dark, sometimes it could be a bit silly. 256 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,960 And those are the people I tend to that tend to gravitate to my 257 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,520 orbit and vice versa. And this is very much a 258 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,960 programme that sits firmly within that little bit dark, 259 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,640 little bit silly area. You know, it's just, you can 260 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,360 tell that the the guys who, who created this. 261 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,600 So this is no fielding anyone who watches Bake Off will will 262 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,040 know. And his comedy partner basically 263 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,040 created the Mighty Boosh as a stage show. 264 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,920 They toured and did the Fringe in Edinburgh and they did a few 265 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,960 smaller pieces and then they kind of, they drifted apart and 266 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,960 then drifted back together as the Mighty Boosh and and managed 267 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,600 to get a show commissioned pilot originally, I think, and then 268 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,040 went on to create three seasons across BBC Two. 269 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:08,320 And it's just one of the most absurd, funny, weird comedy 270 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,840 shows. So the first season is set in a 271 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,360 zoo. They are essentially zookeepers. 272 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,600 They have a mystical shaman called Naboo who helps them on 273 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,200 weird missions each week. It's got Rich Fuller in it. 274 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:25,480 It's also got my word, Toast of London. 275 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,160 Why can't I remember his name? Matt Berry. 276 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,520 Thank you. Thank you, Dan. 277 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:31,000 Matt Berry? Yeah. 278 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,040 How can we forget Matt Berry? So, so it's got Matt Berry in it 279 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,960 and he's genuinely hilarious in the whole show. 280 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,200 He plays essentially Dixon Bainbridge, who is the keeper of 281 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,160 the show, the the owner of the zoo, and he's just this 282 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,840 misogynistic, angry little man. And Rich Fuller plays a just a 283 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,240 weird little sidekick to him and they're always at odds. 284 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,800 And there's mutant Kangaroos and there's, you know, hunts in the 285 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,720 Arctic for for mystical gems. It's genuinely warped and 286 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,800 insane. And then in the second season, 287 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,840 it moves to them having a flat share in what I assume is 288 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,160 London. It might not be London where 289 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,080 they are. They're trying to be a, a kind 290 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,160 of goth Electro band. So it's all a bit weird, right? 291 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,760 And then and then the third season, it's an antique shop 292 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,520 that they own. But there are recurring 293 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,840 characters that go throughout it, like the Hitcher, like old 294 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,200 Greg, you know, and these. And once you've seen them, you 295 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,400 kind of go, Oh my God. And they're all played by the 296 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:32,680 actors within the show. And it's just a genuinely funny, 297 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,320 funny show that I on numerous occasions fell about laughing, 298 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,520 you know, without being able to recover. 299 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,440 I went to see them live a number of times. 300 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,920 They did. I can't think it was the O2, but 301 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:45,880 they did. I think they might have done 302 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,600 Wembley. They've done some big venues as 303 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,920 well with the show. And again, they just kind of 304 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,440 take that the TV show to another level. 305 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,560 It's just a genuinely beautiful piece of work and very, very 306 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,800 funny. So yeah, if I could have the 307 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,080 opportunity to not see that again. 308 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,160 And that, and that's the thing for this. 309 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,920 I took this genuinely as a mindwipe. 310 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,600 If I if I'd never seen it before and I could see it again fresh 311 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,160 for the first time, that would be on my list. 312 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,440 And this is what I was going to say. 313 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,640 You'd love it as you did the first time because things can 314 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,040 age and that, but you'd love it as the first time. 315 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,000 And what I've got to say is it was you that got me onto this 316 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,280 programme because as you said, you did quote it. 317 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,480 So at work you just quote those random lines. 318 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,800 And yeah, I then remember buying the DVD box set, I think the 319 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,760 first two series and absolutely loving it. 320 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:36,280 Now, I was a bit wary because these zany, these really weird 321 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:41,240 comedies I'm not usually a fan of, like, you know, incurred A 322 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,360 Raph now, but I didn't really get on with Monty Python. 323 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,200 OK. Things like that. 324 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,200 But the my wish, as you said, I just couldn't stop laughing. 325 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,480 I remember watching it and it's just, I think it's also because 326 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,560 they're quite likeable and as people as well. 327 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,360 So they come across has a really good group of people and, you 328 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,160 know, it's just you. You said Rich. 329 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,040 Was it Rich Rich Fuller? Yeah, I remember there's a 330 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,920 couple of times where he's singing a song like he's saying 331 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,240 I can't go for that. And it's almost like a minute or 332 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,640 two of it, and then he stops the player and he goes. 333 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,160 And that's why I, you know, I can't go for. 334 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,600 That I don't. I don't like cricket. 335 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,000 I don't like cricket as well. He's thinking about that for two 336 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,480 minutes. He stops it and then just says 337 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,200 and that's why I don't like cricket. 338 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,080 And then the other two walk in dressed as caveman, not being 339 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,320 able to speak English. It's that it's that level of 340 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,480 weirdness that you just go, what the Hell's going on? 341 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,200 But it's it's so funny at the time that you can't help but 342 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,480 laugh because it's just situations and things that you 343 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,160 go that I don't know how, no. Fielding is the moon. 344 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,640 No, Fielding is the Moon is a stroke of genius. 345 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,360 And then you've got, I don't know who played the character, 346 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,000 but like, he's a little alien head with tentacles that they 347 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,400 carry around in a papoose as well. 348 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,800 I think that was nothing. Probably was. 349 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,320 Yeah, it was. Yes, it was. 350 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:55,600 You're right. And he plays the Hitcher. 351 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,000 It's it's just so good. And they and they work really 352 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,560 well together. You know, they work in this way 353 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,079 where, you know, 1 is the straight man and one's just a 354 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:07,280 bit of a Jackass. And and it's that interplay 355 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,280 between the two of them because they don't always get along, but 356 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,400 they really love each other. You know, it's that kind of and 357 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:13,920 that and that's what I really enjoy about it. 358 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,040 And I think I've always, you know, but comedy isn't 359 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,920 concerned, particularly where it's like, you know, either an 360 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,760 ensemble or or a duo. I've always loved that kind of 361 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,599 straight man to the to the crazy. 362 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:26,720 And yeah. And one of my all time heroes in 363 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,680 comedy has always been Eric Morecambe, you know, because 364 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:35,040 just his, you know, how he and early wise worked was just just 365 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,080 so funny, you know, And I often at Christmas, they they'll 366 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,680 recycle the old shows and sit in, you know, with André Previn 367 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,240 and things. And I'll sit and watch them and 368 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,240 I will still, even though I know what's coming, I will still be 369 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,880 laughing my socks off because I just think they're just a genius 370 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,520 pairing and so, so very funny. And it just makes such a good 371 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,680 grounding in comedy. And, and that's what, you know, 372 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,280 they do really well in the Mighty Boosh. 373 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,080 Well, I've got two more things before we move on to your next 374 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,320 choice, but one is because of that show. 375 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,880 I've just really, really like Niall Fielding now, so I'm 376 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,560 really happy because I love the Bake Off anyway, so I'm really 377 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,480 pleased he's the host of that. But he's now in my list when 378 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,360 people ask me, you know, which three people would you want to 379 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:17,160 meet? The dinner party on my show or 380 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,960 the the night out for a drink, whatever. 381 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,880 He's in my he's in my list because I would just love to get 382 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,720 in that head of his and or maybe I wouldn't, I don't know, but I 383 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,280 would. I just think he's the sort of 384 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,480 person that you could sit at a table and have a pint with a. 385 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,560 100% and he's one of these people that's had such a an 386 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,080 unusual journey, but also fascinating in that, you know, 387 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:39,680 he, he knows Courtney Love really well. 388 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,920 I think they lived together at one time in London. 389 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,840 You know, he's had this it's this incredible journey and 390 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,720 knows all of these very famous people. 391 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,760 And and so I think you're right, you know, being able to have 392 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,960 that conversation with him go, how the hell did that happen? 393 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,120 You know, how did you fall into that kind of circle? 394 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,240 I mean, look, and we should give props to Julian Barrett as well, 395 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,880 right? Because as as the straight man, 396 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,200 I think he carries a lot of the weight, You know, if if you it's 397 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,040 easy to act like an idiot all the time, right? 398 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,640 But trying to. Keep a straight program. 399 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,160 Yeah, 100%. And he does some his his comedy 400 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,280 timing and some of the things he does, like playing an old 401 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,920 Russian woman when he when he does and trying to sing a song 402 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,000 in Arctic conditions. It it's just, you know, I mean, 403 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,600 if you watch it, you'll see what I mean. 404 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:24,120 But it's just a a worker genius. So yeah, that one locked. 405 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,880 And, and the only other thing is I'll say hi again to Joey and 406 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,840 Alex of the Game Club pod because often when we're online 407 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,240 having a chat, even they're quoting Mighty Boosh quotes so. 408 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,840 I'm going to love those guys even more. 409 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,120 I've not met them face to face, but I I genuinely look we might 410 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:44,760 end up with you doing gaming views alone. 411 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,560 I might I might jump ship and just. 412 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,720 No, no, amalgamation, Amalgamation. 413 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,240 You're locked into contract, right? 414 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,520 Moving on, what's #2 OK, so. I'm wondering whether I still 415 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,880 should I stick with the comedy or shall I move on to my do you 416 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,080 want to break from comedy or do you want to carry on with comedy 417 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,600 and then go a little bit different? 418 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,320 Let's let's carry on with comedy. 419 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,400 Carry on with comedy. So my second one, which I'm 420 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,280 hoping the kind of people who listen to your stuff and listen 421 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,360 to our stuff will know is a little Channel 4 program that 422 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:15,800 used to be on a Friday night post pub before you're a trash 423 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,120 called Spaced. OK, Yeah. 424 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,760 Oh yeah, OK. One of the very best comedies 425 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,640 ever produced, only ever two seasons, much to everyone who 426 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,800 watched it's disgust. And it launched the the careers 427 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,640 of Simon Pegg, Nick Frost, Jessica Hynes. 428 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:37,960 Like, look, Simon Pegg is like, you know, Tom Cruise's best mate 429 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,480 now, right? Well, this is what I was going 430 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,080 to say. It's astonishing. 431 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,360 I was watching Dead Reckoning the other night and I'm just 432 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,200 looking at it and thinking spaced. 433 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:53,760 I I my wife and I wore out the VHS recordings and the DVD's re 434 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,200 watching it and now we still watch it on it was on Netflix 435 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,880 for that. Well, I think it's back on 4oD. 436 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:06,320 It's a weird slice of observational stroke random 437 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:12,680 hilarity about two people who fall into a flat share. 438 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,960 And I don't think I'm spawning anything by saying this. 439 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:20,400 So, so Jessica Hines and Simon Pegg fall into sharing of a flat 440 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,680 under the mistaken belief that the only way they could do it 441 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,440 was to appear as a couple, as if they're dating, because that's 442 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,440 the only day Marsha, who's the the landlady, would let them 443 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:31,680 stay there. She didn't care. 444 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,000 That was nothing to do with it. And this is a running joke for 445 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,360 the kind of the the, the almost the two seasons. 446 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,760 They're joined by Nick Frost, who is Simon Pegg's character's 447 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,320 best friend, who is got thrown out of the TA right, the 448 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,920 Territorial Army for being too insane. 449 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:51,280 And he's basically just an absolute nutball, but a lovable 450 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,720 nutball. And there are so many pop 451 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,040 culture references in that show, particularly around wrestling 452 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:05,240 Star Wars, like the Matrix and and homages and, you know, 453 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,080 flashback. There's there's so many things 454 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:12,160 in it and these you could tell, like when I used to watch it, I 455 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,320 just wanted to be their best mate because they were my kind 456 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,160 of people. And it's just such a cleverly, 457 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:24,600 sharply written piece of work that that whose DNA And trust 458 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,120 me, if you've not watched Space, but you've seen the Cornetto 459 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:31,440 trilogy, you will kick yourself because the DNA of those films, 460 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,960 Shaun of the Dead and particularly Hot Fuzz, right. 461 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,720 If you love Hot Fuzz, go and watch spaced because it that 462 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,200 that is where a lot of what happens in Hot Fuzz. 463 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,160 Like you'll see what you know, how that into play happens. 464 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,400 You know, it's it's a show that is just one of the genuinely 465 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,560 funniest things I've ever seen. I mean, I'm thinking about 466 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,280 certain scenes from it now and laughing. 467 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,320 Just the conversations they have. 468 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,640 There's a lot of you know, they're they're kind of stoners 469 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,200 and they're you know, but it's a joy to watch. 470 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:04,960 You know that and they they play off and riff off almost 471 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,240 everything. Almost any pop culture movie or 472 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,320 sci-fi or TV program or anything you can imagine. 473 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,720 They playoff of it and get a joke out of it and it's 474 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,560 brilliant. It's funny because again I 475 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,600 remember clearly remember you talking about this. 476 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,680 Now I've I've only seen it the once and I not because I don't 477 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,880 like it but I've just never got round sitting again so I 478 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,720 remember very little about it. But what's funny is the 2 shows 479 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,760 you've picked so far, it's almost, I won't say necessarily 480 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,560 the inception, but the inception of a double act of people. 481 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,960 It's almost, you know, so you see the Mighty Boosh with the 482 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,320 two of them where they've then gone on to obviously Simon Pegg 483 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,560 and and Nick Frost have both had, you know, great careers 484 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,520 since then. But they were best mates at the 485 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,840 time. So that's so Simon Pegg and Nick 486 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,400 Frost. And actually the show is not 487 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,000 really about those two. So, so the protagonists in it 488 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,840 are really Simon Pegg and Jessica Hynes. 489 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,520 So actually the interplay is actually between those two. 490 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,800 As you know, Jessica Hynes is a budding author. 491 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,040 Well, I say author, she is a, she is a budding author, but, 492 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,440 but ends up kind of writing mainly for, you know, women's 493 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,160 magazines and things like that. And Simon Pegg is a comic book 494 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,840 artist. And, and I think that another 495 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,080 reason I interconnected with that really, really closely was 496 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,040 because that's what I wanted to do originally. 497 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,600 So, so I used to love drawing. I did, you know, art and design 498 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,480 at college. I, you know, and I still draw 499 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,320 now. I still sketch particularly for 500 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,600 my kids and stuff, and it's always comic book characters, 501 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,360 you know, and his work was actually the work that they show 502 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:38,960 in in the show spaced. That is he that he is his work 503 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,600 is is by a guy called Simon Beasley, who used to work for 504 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:45,800 2000 AD, you know, used to deal with it and and his work is 505 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,000 phenomenal. I mean, if you ever get a chance 506 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,720 to see any of his work around Sloane or slain, whatever you 507 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,280 want to call it, or, or Wolverine or you know, his, his 508 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,920 work is phenomenal in that space. 509 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,520 And he does some of the work they show on the show. 510 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,720 And he was a big fan and they they were all friends as well, 511 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,920 you know, and, and Edgar Wright, you know, directed and wrote a 512 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,960 load of the shows with those guys, you know, so he was behind 513 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,040 the camera, which is why when you look at shows like films 514 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,040 like Hot Fuzz, Shaun the Dead, they were just taking what they 515 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,880 were doing in those shows to the next level. 516 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,720 And my challenge to you is go back and watch it, right? 517 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,520 Go back on 4oD. It looks a little bit dated now, 518 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,440 but trust me, Dan, you will thank me if you go back and 519 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,880 watch that. You'll be, you'll be talking to 520 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,920 me on Sunday going, Oh my God, I watched it. 521 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,640 And you're right, it's just brilliant. 522 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,080 I will do it. We may have to do watch along, 523 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,680 right? I'm going to move you on now 524 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,040 just because I'm just looking at time, right? 525 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:40,040 What's your final choice in TV? So we'll be quick with this one. 526 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,160 And this is this is mainly because the reason I want to do 527 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,400 this is not so much about my love for it or my knowledge of 528 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,520 it or anything else. But this is more about the fact 529 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,200 that when I was a kid, I used to spend a lot of summers in in 530 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,880 Wales at my, my grandparents house. 531 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,200 And my grandma passed away recently. 532 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,920 She was 99. So she was, you know, she had a 533 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,480 good innings, you know, she was, bless her. 534 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,120 But I used to go and visit her in Wales. 535 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,720 And in Wales they had the precursed satellite TV and I 536 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,440 used to watch a show on there that I loved and I remembered it 537 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,880 and I remembered it all the way through my life. 538 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,200 And it was a show that in the UK where when it was screened was 539 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,760 called Battle of the Planets. In Japan, where it was created, 540 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,440 it was called Team Science Ninja Gatchaman. 541 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,920 It's an anime and I'm not a massive anime fan. 542 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,840 Used to be. I used to love Fist of North 543 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,280 Star and Akira. I went to the Phoenix Scholar in 544 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,040 London to watch Akira premiere in the UK. 545 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,960 So I used to love all that and I kind of fell out of love with 546 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,200 it. But Battle of the Planets, it 547 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,720 was about, it's about a group of five teenagers who essentially 548 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,960 could transform into superheroes. 549 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,000 And they used to go on missions every week. 550 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,880 And it just, I can't remember a huge amount about it. 551 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,240 They tried to do a kind of a westernized launch of it back in 552 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,080 2008 time, I think. And the guy who did Batman the 553 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,200 Animated series, Tim, can't remember his name, Tim Dinny, 554 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:07,280 but he he was involved in it and they released a kind of a 555 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,040 trailer for it, like CGI version of it, but it never took off. 556 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,400 But that show, you know, if I could kind of start not, not 557 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,200 have seen it and go back and watch it again, which I probably 558 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,000 could now because I've forgotten it all at that time in my life. 559 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,360 It just used to be absolute joy, you know that and spending my 560 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:24,840 summers with my grandparents and having a brilliant time in Wales 561 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,720 and being able to watch that show. 562 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,760 Well, I'm looking at it now because when you said it, it 563 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,800 rang a bell. But then you said, oh, like 564 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,400 anime. And I thought, no, was I'm not 565 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,920 sure I saw it there. I'm looking it up and I 566 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,480 absolutely saw this and and the memories are coming back now. 567 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,440 Yeah. You know, sort of like the 90s. 568 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:46,160 Is that that kind of time or, or late 80s, early 90s kids TV had 569 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,200 some great cartoons, slash anime like this. 570 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,960 You know, we had so many, didn't we? 571 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,280 Yeah, we did. Yeah. 572 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,040 But but this is the only place I remember seeing it. 573 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,760 And it was because they had whatever the, you know what, 574 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,880 maybe it was satellite TV or whatever it was they had at 575 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,280 their house. But, you know, I can't remember 576 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,680 kind of seeing it anywhere else or, you know, having the 577 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,200 opportunity to watch it anywhere else. 578 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,160 And I just, you know, when I was trying to kind of dredge up my 579 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,880 memories and things I'd love, there's so many, but that kept 580 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,280 flooding back to the surface. And I was like, God, I love that 581 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,880 show. It's very different to your 582 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,960 other two choices, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 583 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,200 And there were so many dramas and things like that that I 584 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,440 love, but I, I couldn't kind of pull out ones that either 585 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,360 somebody hadn't already mentioned or, or that, you know, 586 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:31,560 I, I kind of, I would struggle to articulate. 85 episodes. 587 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,320 Yeah, 1978 to 1980. Blimey. 588 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,040 Yeah, and you'll recognise they're they're, they had a 589 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,840 robot companion and they had like a you. 590 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,800 Know always a robot companion, always right and he. 591 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,320 Looked a bit like RTD too, weirdly. 592 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,520 And they had, you know, a major bad guy who would always be, you 593 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,600 know, at the bottom of everything and so mighty be 594 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,280 spaced in Battle of the planets. OK, right. 595 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,960 I really like that. I really like that. 596 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,280 So thank you for that. We're going to move on to the 597 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,720 subject. I, I always say I tend probably 598 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,560 not to have too much of a conversation on because I'm not 599 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880 well, I haven't been for years as well, Not much of A reader. 600 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,440 I used to love reading and now it's probably limited to comic 601 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,600 books every now and then. But yeah, what are three books? 602 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,840 So, so one of these is a is a comic book. 603 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,400 The other, the other two are not. 604 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,520 I am and have been quite a prolific reader throughout my 605 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,520 adulthood, whether it's books on kind of leadership or dev OPS 606 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,000 and things like that things do in my career. 607 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,920 I love reading some of those non fiction things. 608 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,880 But more often than not it is is like last year I went through 609 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,480 the entire Jack Reacher series just in within within a year 610 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,560 easily, probably within about 8 months. 611 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,920 I just, I was voracious. So I was reading them on the 612 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,520 train. I was reading them at home and 613 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,680 the night before. But it's my way of decompressing 614 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,520 at night. Unfortunately, and probably due 615 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,400 to you, I now mainly read comic books at night because I 616 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,640 subscribe to Marvel Unlimited. So I now go, so I'm going 617 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,360 through the history of Marvel at the moment. 618 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,200 So I'm just on Wolverine. So I'm kind of going through 619 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,840 those. Let's start with the one that 620 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,520 isn't a comic book. And so the first book I'm going 621 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,720 to choose mainly because one I'm looking at it right now and it's 622 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,680 still falling into pieces, is Stephen King's It. 623 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,040 This was a book I picked up at school, weirdly or not, I was 624 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,200 about 14, maybe 13, and it was in the library at school and I 625 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,480 was like, oh, quite interested. I'll pick that up now. 626 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,560 For anyone who's ever read it, it is not a book for a 13 year 627 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,720 old to read. There is quite a lot of naughty 628 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,960 words, sexual content and unsurprisingly, horror. 629 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,120 My mum found it in my bag and wrote a letter of complaint to 630 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,000 the school, at which point it was removed from the shelf so I 631 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,000 didn't actually get to finish it. 632 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,240 I was about 1/3 the way through it. 633 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,120 So when, when I was old enough, I was probably about 16 or so, I 634 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,880 picked up and read it. And I must have read that book 635 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,880 double digits easily. And, and, and every time I read 636 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,480 it, I find something new or some different way to connect to it 637 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,320 depending on the stage I'm at in my life or you know what it is 638 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,080 because it's a, you know, I'm sure people have read it or seen 639 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,800 the the film. Lots of people have seen the 640 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,120 film, but it's it's essentially a story of kids growing up in a 641 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,040 little town called Derry in Maine, which is where Stephen 642 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,600 King writes a lot of these books around. 643 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,600 And there is a presence there that essentially has been 644 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,960 killing people or, or, you know, surprised people know, but the 645 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,120 population goes missing at certain points in history and 646 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,800 these kids fall into why it happens. 647 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,360 There's a little bit of a detective story, but it's more 648 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,280 as you read it about how those kids grow up and then the story 649 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,720 revisits them as adults and all this into place throughout. 650 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,640 So it's not like a it's not like a a bit and bit, you know, you, 651 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,120 you actually start the book at one of their houses when they're 652 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,400 older and then it kind of it flashes back and forward. 653 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,240 But it's done in such a beautiful way. 654 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,080 And it was, you know, I'm a massive fan of Stephen King. 655 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,880 And I think it's, it's one of those books where he's, he 656 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,200 really hit his stride because I've read a lot of his earlier 657 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,440 works like the Dark Tower, and that was one I'd, I'd 658 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,400 potentially thought about putting on here. 659 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,160 And particularly the the first Dark Tower book you can read. 660 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,960 When you read it, you kind of go, this is him finding his way 661 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,920 as an author. You know, look, he could still 662 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,320 write 10 times better than I could. 663 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,400 But you, you know, it's not true where he is now or where he's 664 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,400 been. And then as you watch the 665 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,480 progression of the Dark Tower books, you see his his writing 666 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,400 grow throughout his career. But I think it is one of those 667 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,840 books where he'd really hit his stride. 668 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,160 And it was kind of around the same time as things like, you 669 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,160 know, or shortly after things like Carrie and Cujo and, and 670 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,760 books like that where he as an author, he came into his own and 671 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,680 created like the Tommy knockers and all these sorts of things. 672 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,480 But it for me stands out as his. It's just a beautiful piece of 673 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,280 work and such a well written book and properly scary as a 674 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,200 horror, you know it is. It is a proper scary book. 675 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,720 It is interesting what you say because Stephen King, I'd only 676 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,240 read a couple and it's probably again, a similar age. 677 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,120 When I was at school, I remember reading Carrie and yeah, Cujo, 678 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,400 you mentioned it. I think a cousin or or someone 679 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,440 had it, family member had it. And yeah, it's it's horror. 680 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,320 So I think that's what would have appealed to me. 681 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,920 But when I was younger, I absolutely loved reading. 682 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,120 And like you said, it was his writing style as well. 683 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,600 The books were just interesting to read, let alone that you're 684 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,560 after that next horrible scene. It was exciting book. 685 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,160 It brought you on that adventure, right? 686 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,080 And the level of detail about the environment he's, he's so 687 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,280 passionate about, you know, where he grew up and you know, 688 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,400 the environment in which he grew up. 689 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,640 And, and the way he's able to portray that through not just 690 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,560 through the eyes of a different character, but just talking and 691 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,760 setting the scene and the scenery. 692 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,480 And, you know, the world that they inhabit is there's very few 693 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,360 authors out there who can do that half as well as he can and 694 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,040 still keep you engaged. Because sometimes it often comes 695 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,160 off as a laundry list or a tick list of, you know, the colour of 696 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,640 the trees or things like that. The way he does it and the 697 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,880 nuances he puts in it. And and it's such a beautifully 698 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,880 written book and arguably one of the scariest antagonists in in a 699 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,400 book ever write in Pennywise. You know, as villain, well, 700 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,920 villains, you know, as antagonists go, it's still in 701 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,560 pop culture. I know there was a couple of, 702 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,480 they remade it a couple of years ago, didn't they? 703 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,440 But yeah, they did even before that. 704 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,239 Pennywise is just in the consciousness. 705 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,400 Isn't it? Yeah, yeah. 706 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,480 Just just just super scary clown. 707 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,679 I mean, it's clowns are scary anyway for most people, right? 708 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,440 I mean, they don't bother me weirdly. 709 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,159 But but but a lot of people say, you know what? 710 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:20,480 It's scary. And they go, oh, clowns are 711 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,000 really scary. My wife don't like clowns, but 712 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,639 I'm not. It's just a clown. 713 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,960 But then you see a clown like that or you read about a clown 714 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,440 in that way and you're like, yeah, probably. 715 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,960 I probably wouldn't need to go, you know, he turns into a bloody 716 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,320 werewolf. I'm probably all right, you 717 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,400 know, But yeah, just so descriptive, so beautifully 718 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,880 written and just a, just a great horror book, just as just a 719 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,520 phenomenal book. Great start. 720 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:45,560 OK, so what's your next pick? My next pick is I'll go to the 721 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,400 graphic novel. So this is again a book I read 722 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,760 and I'm now on my third copy of it because the other two felt 723 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,639 pieces and that is Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns. 724 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,720 So I'm a big fan of I guess you'd call them kind of else 725 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,000 welds or what ifs, you know, those kind of things. 726 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,560 You know these what if these things happened all the so I've 727 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,480 just finished reading all of Old Man Logan and Dead Man Logan, 728 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,760 which are just brilliant as well. 729 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,040 And then you know, like rain, which is kind of the spider man 730 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,320 version of him when he's older. But this one was one I picked up 731 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,760 probably not long after it was published. 732 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,240 Actually, I didn't I didn't buy the individual issues, but 733 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:20,960 picked up the graphic novel when it came out. 734 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,080 And for those of you who don't know. 735 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,360 So it's the tale of Bruce Wayne. He's old, he's retired Batman. 736 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,600 He still is a thrill seeker, so he races cars at high speed to 737 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,680 try and get his his juices going. 738 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,160 He essentially he can't sleep. He's like his mind's all 739 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,880 twisted. He he doesn't know what he's 740 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,840 doing. He's in his, I don't know what 741 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,800 is he late 60s, something like that in this. 742 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,200 And something happens that triggers him and he decides he's 743 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,320 going to go back to being Batman. 744 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,800 In fact, he has, he has some symbolism. 745 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,200 So he has he sleepwalks and he finds himself turning on the 746 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,760 lights in the Batcave and decides he's going to go back to 747 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,240 being Batman. But he's old and he's slow and 748 00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:59,560 he's really struggling. And, you know, people have 749 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,400 forgotten who he was, or at least believe he's now this 750 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,120 criminal. And it it's this interplay of 751 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,560 him surviving in a whole new world that's taken over by 752 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,880 mutants and kids who file their teeths, you know, so they can 753 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,760 attack people and deal in weapons and all of the kind of 754 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,320 well, the number of the Justice League characters play back into 755 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,880 the Atom Superman, Wonder Woman. So these characters all into 756 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,040 play throughout this story as well. 757 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,000 And it's a big old book. And Frank Miller's art is just 758 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,480 on point, man. I mean, you couldn't wanted a 759 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,640 better artist to deliver that story in that way. 760 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,400 You know, someone like Greg Capullo or someone like that had 761 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,520 or, or, or, you know, had had done the same artwork for that. 762 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,480 It wouldn't have had the same effect, you know, because it's 763 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,240 not, it's not beautiful art, but it's amazing art. 764 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:49,920 Do you know what I mean? It's like there's some artists 765 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,240 who can create beauty in, in comic books. 766 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,760 You know, Jim Lee was one of those. 767 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,520 But but there's some people who can create phenomenal art that 768 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,000 hits the moment. And it, it's a weird book in 769 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,440 that it also references things like Reagan, the Reagan era and 770 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,280 the 80s really heavily and Russia and the Cold War and 771 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,800 things like that. So it's a really odd book. 772 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,080 And he ends up getting embroiled with this. 773 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,760 The Joker comes back, 2 face comes back. 774 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,880 But one of the other characters in it is, is a girl called 775 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,720 Carrie Kelly, who who is essentially becomes Robin, but 776 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:24,040 she's like a, you know, 13 year old gymnast. 777 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,320 And she ends up getting wrapped it up with her. 778 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,520 But he knows it's the wrong thing to do because all the 779 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,240 other Robins have died and things like that. 780 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:35,080 So it's just you probably tell I love the book absolutely, but 781 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,120 I've got I've actually got like a a book about the book, Frank 782 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,120 Miller kind of telling how he came up with it and was because 783 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,880 it's just I I love it a bit. And if I could not have read it 784 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,440 and read it again. Yeah, I absolutely, I've got 785 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,880 that as well. And I've said before, I think 786 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,040 I've said on here that of all the characters, I think Batman 787 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,160 is my favorite, but mainly because the cast of villains and 788 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,800 I just find the stories are are often there is that element of 789 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,480 humanity or, you know, there's that human emotion kind of that 790 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,480 runs through the story. And like you said, bitter old 791 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,360 man reluctantly takes on young apprentice kind of, well, 792 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:14,920 apprentice, but but you know what I mean? 793 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,160 And it is, yeah, it's and it is just a classic. 794 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,400 I mean, if you say that in comic book circles, everybody, 795 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,600 everybody's aware of it, right? Absolutely. 796 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,560 I mean, you only have to show him the picture of him jumping 797 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,000 in front of the lightning, you know? 798 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,960 And everyone goes, Oh, yeah, that, that that's where it's 799 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,160 from, you know, And it's, it's just such a, you know, and so 800 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,280 many other books and even even comedies have referenced that 801 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,760 very picture, you know, of him jumping in front of the 802 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,040 lightning. And that's just the silhouette 803 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:41,920 of him. Yeah. 804 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,760 It's, it's just brilliant. I'm going to read it again 805 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,600 tonight, actually. And what's your third choice? 806 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,080 My third book. Again, I'm not going to go into 807 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,920 a ton of detail. I could, but it feels unfair 808 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,120 given our time limits. It's a book called Eric of 809 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,720 Melnabone. That I do not know. 810 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,360 That I didn't know. I wasn't sure. 811 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,680 You were so written by an author called Michael Moorcock, a 812 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,800 Seminole British author, kind of Tolkanesque in his approach to 813 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:12,640 his writings. And so he wrote a series of 814 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,440 books, a lot of books. He's very prolific about a 815 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,080 cosmic entity, I guess, called the Champion Eternal. 816 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,320 And the Champion Eternal took on many different forms through 817 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,040 many different books. And one of the forms he took on 818 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,800 was the form of a character called Elrich. 819 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:34,600 And Elrich was one of the last surviving descendants of the 820 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:39,400 population of Meldebone, which is this kind of cruel Kingdom of 821 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,640 dragon riders, right? So and he suffers from crippling 822 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,640 albinism. So he's he's an albino. 823 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,480 He's really frail and weak and the way he relies on and the 824 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,080 thing he relies on to power is not only post he's a sorcerer. 825 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,760 So but he relies on potions and things to get himself through 826 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,080 the day almost. He also has a weapon called 827 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,760 Stormbringer, which is his sword, which basically powers 828 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,960 him by devouring souls. But it's pure evil, right? 829 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,000 And it's it's basically this story about his cousin Yokoon 830 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,840 wants to usurp the throne. And in the book, Elrick 831 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,920 basically says. You know what? 832 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,280 So they fight, he wins, but he basically says, I don't care. 833 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,360 You have it, have have the throne. 834 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,080 I don't want it anymore. And he goes out into the wider 835 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,520 world. And that book is the start of 836 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,120 his journey through his world. And then he gets pulled into all 837 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,640 these kind of again, one of the true first kind of beginnings of 838 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,120 what you'd call the multiverse. So that's what the champion 839 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,160 Eternal was. There was there's lots of 840 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,600 different champion Eternals and he ends up getting pulled into 841 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,640 the universe is a different way. So he peers and different 842 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,240 stories and different things There there was a band Hawkman 843 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:53,240 who who wrote songs about those adventures and things and and 844 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:56,280 and released albums about it. And it's just, you know, if you 845 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,040 love fantasy, if you love Tolkien, if you love even if you 846 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,040 love kind of Song of Fire and Ice and and those sort of 847 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,280 things, you know, it's got that depth of level of detail in in 848 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,000 across the Champion Eternal books. 849 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,760 But the Elrick stories for me, the things that grabbed me. 850 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,960 And the reason is I shared a room with my brother, my older 851 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,480 brother for a long time and I used a lot of his kind of 852 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,640 leftovers and things like that I used to swallow up. 853 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,120 And so he started reading these books and he left that one late 854 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,840 about. In fact, he probably, he 855 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,320 probably left with the White Wolf, which is another one of 856 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,960 the books late about. And I probably picked it up and 857 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,160 then went back and got all the others. 858 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,120 And now I've got a lot of compendium and all these things. 859 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,440 But yeah, if I could wipe those because I clearly I've 860 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,320 remembered a lot of it. But if I could wipe that and 861 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,320 read it again, that would be another one. 862 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,760 Nice, nice. Now I do want to move on because 863 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,080 I actually want to jump to a subject. 864 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,720 Do you know what? A subject that you and I don't 865 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:50,760 really talk about that much, so I can't necessarily guess what 866 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,000 your options are going to be here. 867 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,040 But music? OK, so there'll be 1 you 868 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,600 definitely know. Yeah, yeah. 869 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,320 I think I could probably guess one, but yeah, yeah, it's, it's. 870 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,520 But do you know what it's when I was sitting, I was thinking that 871 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,840 we don't, we, we, we talk TV, films, books, games, stuff like 872 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,760 that. But we've never really sat down 873 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,520 and talked about music, I don't think. 874 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,360 No, yeah, agreed. And I, and I am one of those 875 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,600 really weird people when it comes to music. 876 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,040 So I had a conversation with someone at my my job recently 877 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,800 and they would talk to me and I'd come into iPad headphones. 878 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,280 I'm walking sweat. They'll know what you listen to. 879 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,120 I was like, it's probably more like what I'm I listen to 880 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,520 because I'm the person who will have all of my music songs list 881 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,280 and there's thousands of albums on there. 882 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,040 And I just put my shuffle. So I will listen to anything 883 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,840 that comes along because I I am happy with anything I've got. 884 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,000 You know, I love music. I'm quite eclectic. 885 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,640 There's not a lot I don't like. I'm not a massive country and 886 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,840 western fan. If it's on, I'll tolerate it. 887 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,440 But you know, but other than that, I'm happy with anything. 888 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,200 Oh, that and Taylor Swift or pop. 889 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,080 But you know, I'm so quite eclectic, so on my list, I'll go 890 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,040 from top to bottom. So my first one and one that was 891 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,200 quite informative for my teenage years and something that 892 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,080 happened that I kind of just went, I've never had anything 893 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,360 like this before and I love it, is the Slim Shady LP. 894 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,200 OK. He's everywhere now. 895 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,800 Everyone knows who he is, everyone knows what he is. 896 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,840 But at the time when I got that album and when I first heard 897 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,840 those songs, very few people had. 898 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,760 And it was, it was a game change for me because I, you know, I, 899 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,600 like I said, growing up, my brother, my brother was a 900 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,320 massive rap fan. I guess you'd call it say, you 901 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,440 know, things like N.W.A, Run DMC, all those things we I'd 902 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,360 listen to continually. And then I heard, you know, the 903 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,560 Slim Shady LP and I was just, this is just amazing. 904 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:42,120 You know, it's just such a great collection of someone who's 905 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,200 clearly got a lot of passion and anger as well, I guess. 906 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,160 And then there's able to articulate that in a way. 907 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,400 Yeah, a lot of anger, but able to articulate in a way. 908 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,520 And look, I know it doesn't age well, right? 909 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,400 And it's misogynistic. And my kids now, right, My kids 910 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,480 are my little girls. They're 11:00 and 10:00. 911 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,920 And they asked to listen to Eminem. 912 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,160 And I won't let them because I'm not. 913 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,080 There is a lot of misogyny and a lot of, you know, and I get it. 914 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,760 But even my wife loves Eminem. We've seen him in concert a 915 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,920 couple of times and things. And she'll say, look, you know, 916 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,200 it's not right for them to hear it because they can't 917 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,720 distinguish what's supposed to be humour versus what's not 918 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,800 really real, you know, So we, we steer them away from it where 919 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,520 their friends listen to it, you know, but. 920 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,920 But it's his word play. It's his word play as well. 921 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,840 Phenomenal, phenomenal. There are a couple of tracks 922 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,880 we've let them listen to that are ones that aren't heavy on 923 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,000 the swearing and misogyny and things like that, but they're 924 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,240 they're more interested in the speed at which he raps. 925 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,680 So, so there's, there's a song he did with another group called 926 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,880 Speedum, and it is just, you know, the flow is just 927 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,360 phenomenal. It's so quick and so rapid and 928 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,160 so clever, and it's all done without the aid of any 929 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,680 technology, you know, And to have that skill, but not just 930 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,600 that, to link and the way he rhymes and the words he rhymes 931 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,440 and the way in which he does it, it's just like, it blows my 932 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,040 mind. Yeah, but he also, he was one of 933 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,760 the few that I remember anyway, that then also, you know, 934 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,960 considering sort of how he how he started, would then have fun 935 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,720 in the some of the videos, which you wouldn't have necessarily 936 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,800 expected if you were listening to the songs. 937 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,560 Then you see some of the videos, oh, like my name is and I can't 938 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:19,800 remember. What's the other one where he's 939 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,240 like, I'm a superhero, he's climbing up the side of a 940 00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:24,320 building. I can't remember. 941 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,640 How he does with Dre. Yeah, yeah, Be like, you know, 942 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,560 it was fun seeing him have that fun side to him compared to some 943 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,480 of the songs from. Here on the album stuff, yeah, 944 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,760 yeah, he does that a lot. A lot of his. 945 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,920 I mean, if you watch the video for Houdini, which is one of his 946 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,480 more recent ones, he actually, he brings his older version back 947 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,760 through time. So he actually, and they do a 948 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,000 great job and come see. Yeah. 949 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,560 And he does all the things that they did in those videos you've 950 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,440 just talked about. So. 951 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,840 But yeah, I, I love that as a, as an album, I think there's not 952 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,680 a bad track on it, you know, and it's fun and that and that for 953 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,960 me makes a great album. You know, there's not a single 954 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,160 bad track, which leads me to my next one of which there's not a 955 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,280 single bad track. And I know for a fact that you 956 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,560 will agree with me. It's just whether or not you 957 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,920 know which one, which album of theirs I'm talking about. 958 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,960 Right. So let me guess, it's going to 959 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,240 be Oasis? It's the mighty Oasis. 960 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:17,520 You're absolutely right. Yep. 961 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,920 Right now, which album that's you see? 962 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,320 I mean, it's not backtrack on any of them. 963 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,840 I was going to say it could be, it could be any of them. 964 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,600 So I mean, right, Let me think about you. 965 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,040 What's your favorite album? Then let's let's just ask you, 966 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,120 let's switch the tables. If you could only pick one, what 967 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,080 would it be? I think you do, you know what I 968 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,880 think it would probably be definitely maybe. 969 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,680 Yes, Dan, it's definitely maybe yes, Dan, it's definitely maybe 970 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,280 best Dan out there, best tracks out there and well, not 971 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,200 necessarily the best because I think they obviously they grew 972 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,800 as a band. They you know, they learn and 973 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,360 how to apply their trade definitely differently. 974 00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,800 No, definitely grew as a songwriter, but definitely maybe 975 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,400 for me is I think the original and the best album that they 976 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,120 did. See, I agree with you. 977 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,360 The reason I picked because when you asked me that, and I don't 978 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,160 know, I don't know if you had a chance to listen, I had an 979 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,680 episode where Griffin from reboot the boot came on to grill 980 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,760 me about Oasis, about my love for Oasis. 981 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,680 And it's so hard for me to pick because, you know, Oasis music 982 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,560 was a part of my kind of like youth and and growing up. 983 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:32,040 And I absolutely love Oasis. So it could be any of the first 984 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,680 three albums and their second, you know, definitely the second 985 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,760 and third got more grand and more polished. 986 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,040 But it's what you said. It's it's the rawness of 987 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,200 definitely maybe it's that real heavy guitar driven. 988 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,320 And it's just them at their their beginnings before 989 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,720 anything, all the fame and trappings. 990 00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:55,200 And yeah, there's just something about that album for me that is 991 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,920 just, you know, pure Oasis. The nail on the head pure Oasis. 992 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,920 You know, I'd, I would love to have been at King Tut's to see, 993 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,240 you know, that before it was released, you know, as a, as an 994 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:10,920 album, you had to see them play some of those songs in, in 995 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,920 their, not their heyday, because that came later. 996 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,680 But in their, in their youth, in their, you know, when they were 997 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,080 just starting out and no one finished being a roadie for the 998 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,040 inspired carpets and got his act together. 999 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,960 And, you know, they'd kind of gone and, and created what was 1000 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,280 essentially magic, right. And I, I, you know, I know 1001 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,840 there's, you know, there's a lot of bravado in those boys and the 1002 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,080 things they say, but at the time they were the one and only 1003 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,400 rock'n'roll band out there. Yeah, I think. 1004 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,440 People rock'n'roll. Yeah, I have to remember how 1005 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,000 massive they were. I mean, you know, and that's 1006 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,240 what I'm saying to you. Like, you know, I'm looking at 1007 00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:45,520 the track listing now. I'm not saying these are bad 1008 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,120 songs, but like rock'n'roll, star shake and make up like 1009 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,720 them. But you know can not listen to 1010 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:51,520 me. There are, there are better 1011 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,560 songs than those ones on other albums. 1012 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,720 I know what you're saying, yeah. But like, you know, for me, two 1013 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,520 of my all time favourites, there's are on there, Live 1014 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,400 Forever and Slide Away. Slide away. 1015 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,480 I'm so glad you said that, it's such a tune. 1016 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,080 It's great, right? I mean supersonic, obviously. 1017 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,760 Married with children. That's what I was going to say 1018 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,520 to them. Dixie's Diner and Married With 1019 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,920 Children, which are odd, odd choices on that album compared 1020 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,360 to the rest of it. I mean, I could, I could talk 1021 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,640 about Oasis all night. So yeah. 1022 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,720 And I knew that's the one, the only one. 1023 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:25,800 I thought I knew of yours, but yeah, no, I'm going to say it. 1024 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,600 Fantastic choice. Yeah, I knew I knew you'd agree. 1025 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,120 So my last one, it's an odd 1. You might, you might be 1026 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,760 familiar, you might even have it in your collection. 1027 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:40,080 But the reason I've chosen it is when I was quite young, so I was 1028 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,840 probably 8 or 9, my my parents divorced and my dad moved away. 1029 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,320 So we'd only see him. We didn't see him for a while, 1030 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,440 actually a good year or so. And then we only saw him like 1031 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,920 either every weekend or every other weekend or something like 1032 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:52,960 that. But every time I went to his 1033 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,480 house, more often than not, I'd always ask him to put an album 1034 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,280 on. Right. 1035 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,760 And it's a weird one, I'm telling you now, but the album I 1036 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,280 will always ask him to put on and it I can, it's so haunting 1037 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,400 now I can hear it in my head was Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds. 1038 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,680 Oh, what an album. Right. 1039 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:13,280 Yeah. And so I can I, I suspect, I 1040 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,640 strongly suspect if you put that on now, once I got in the floor, 1041 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,800 I could probably recite all of the spoken pieces and probably 1042 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,720 most of the songs as well. Because, you know, there's 1043 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:27,520 something about music that connects you to, it's something 1044 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,600 that's happened or, or, you know, past or, you know, 1045 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,520 something in some way. In those moments, your brain, 1046 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,240 for whatever reason, clings on to a part of that music, whether 1047 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:37,800 it's the lyric or whether it's, you know. 1048 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,400 And that for me was one of those albums that did that. 1049 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,680 I'm desperately trying to, I'm hoping they come back and do the 1050 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,840 tour so I can take my dad to it because, you know, I'd love to 1051 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,400 see that on stage. But that album was just amazing. 1052 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,320 And I made the mistake of watching the American movie of 1053 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,920 that, not the Tom Cruise one, the the original American movie. 1054 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:02,400 OK, yeah, that was an error because, you know, my version of 1055 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,360 War of the Worlds was Jeff Wayne's version of War of the 1056 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,680 Worlds. And then when I saw the the 1057 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,880 movie, I was like, this isn't War of the Worlds. 1058 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,560 Even the cover is iconic, the cover of the album, isn't it? 1059 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,960 Phenomenal. The tripod, Yes. 1060 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,720 Yeah. Oola, Dan Oola. 1061 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,160 And forever Autumn, I'm just looking Forever Autumn. 1062 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,520 That's a big one, obviously off the album, isn't it? 1063 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,200 But The funny thing was it might still be there and you know, you 1064 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,560 sort of working in London. They do you know these 1065 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,920 interactive immersive I saw. The other day, the Immersive 1. 1066 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,960 Done that and all I had yeah, yeah, you and and you should I 1067 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,520 think you would love it. All I have in my head as I was 1068 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,160 going round was forever autumn, you know, and I think they play 1069 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,080 it at various bits. So I yeah, I'd, I think I'd 1070 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,000 absolutely recommend it. But yeah, it's well, it's an odd 1071 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,880 choice in terms of, you know, sort of what your first two are 1072 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,080 and you know, as an hour I. Told you I'm weird. 1073 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,960 I told you I'm weird. I have weird eclectic. 1074 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,120 But I love it. I love it. 1075 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,000 It's. Such a haunting piece. 1076 00:51:58,240 --> 00:51:59,960 Music for me is like everything else. 1077 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:04,120 For you, I think it's yeah, No, What what a choice. 1078 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,440 What a choice. Yeah. 1079 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,000 And, and like I said, it's when you say War of the Worlds music, 1080 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,640 it's the album cover for me. It's so good. 1081 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,440 My dad had the double album on LP and I've, I've got it in the 1082 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,200 garage actually, because he, my dad lives on Narrabeen now. 1083 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,640 So he gave us all this crap to keep in the garage and, and some 1084 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,240 of that is his vinyl, which is so it's actually up in I just 1085 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:26,480 haven't got a record player. Yeah, yeah. 1086 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,680 Everyone go listen to that now. All the world. 1087 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,080 Well, not now. After, after you've finished, 1088 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,320 after this, please. All right, we are going to jump 1089 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,000 to right. Let's go to films. 1090 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,560 OK, so I'm going to cheat to start with only a little bit, 1091 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:42,960 but if you make me pick one, I will. 1092 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,200 So I'm going to start and I'm going to call them one thing. 1093 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,040 I'm going to start with the original Star Wars trilogy, so 1094 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,000 that so that's New Hope, Empire and Jedi. 1095 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,320 I'll allow, but what would be your one if we chose one? 1096 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,520 Empire and anyone who says it's anyone who says it's not. 1097 00:52:58,720 --> 00:52:59,600 Wrong. Just. 1098 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,760 Just now, right? Absolutely wrong. 1099 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,400 But go on then, go on. I'll allow it. 1100 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:05,920 I'll allow it. So, yeah, so. 1101 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,720 So I didn't get to see Star Wars. 1102 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,680 I didn't get to see A New Hope in the cinema, right. 1103 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,560 It was, it was one of those things I watched probably when I 1104 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:19,600 was really young because, yeah, God knows, I must have been, 1105 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,120 what was it, 70? 77 wasn't it? 1106 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,680 77 So I would have been a year old right when it when it came 1107 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,440 out and when it came over here it was probably 78 I guess. 1108 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,000 Yeah, yeah. Probably the year after or a few 1109 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,920 weeks after the the the US. But my brother was a bit older 1110 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,760 than me and he he saw it and he had all the toys before me. 1111 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,320 But I did get to see Return the Jedi at the cinema, which I 1112 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,360 loved, but I got to watch the others on VHS or on Christmas 1113 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,880 specials or whatever it was on TV. 1114 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,680 And I fell in love with Star Wars, probably again, because my 1115 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,240 brother, he's got lots of blame for this from a very early age. 1116 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,800 And you know, you talked about those trips to my grandparents 1117 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,400 and things like that. You know, any Christmas was 1118 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,920 always I want Star Wars stuff, right? 1119 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,800 Yeah, not I want please, may I have Star Wars stuff, right. 1120 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,200 And I've I've, you know, memories of my my granddad, who 1121 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,360 was he was the spitting image of Eric Morgan, by the way. 1122 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,040 But I have images of yeah, I'll show you a picture of him one 1123 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,520 day. But I have images of him. 1124 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,000 He used to take like we got an attack Walker for Christmas one 1125 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,440 like the big lump of plastic thing and he'd pretend to ride 1126 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,280 it around the living room, you know, and things like that. 1127 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,720 So all these, yeah, everything was interconnected with Star 1128 00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,200 Wars. We got the troop transporter and 1129 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,240 we'd always have Star Wars figures. 1130 00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:31,120 There'll be, you know, little lightsabers that come off 1131 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,720 people's arms laying about the house and, you know, missiles 1132 00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:37,680 from Boba Fett somewhere. And, you know, but but Star Wars 1133 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:44,320 for me was the start of a journey into sci-fi that without 1134 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,840 that, I don't I'm not even sure I ever would have gone on. 1135 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,600 And it's, it's such a joyful set of films and let you say what 1136 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:59,000 you want about George Lucas and you know, Disney and everything 1137 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,360 else about it, but you just take those movies. 1138 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,280 And I'm not talking about the special editions and the, the 1139 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:10,280 original, the original stuff, you know, at the time and what 1140 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,240 they did. And I, I probably watched nearly 1141 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:14,880 every documentary out there about how those things were made 1142 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,120 and when they were made and what they, you know, I and I just, 1143 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:24,480 they are just a piece of inspirational joy for anyone 1144 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,560 else. Whoever wants to make a, a 1145 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,440 sci-fi movie. I listened to part of, I think 1146 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,720 it was the Rebidbit one where you talked about June, you know, 1147 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,920 and how June inspired Star Wars. And yeah, I, I think to some 1148 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,520 extent there's probably some of that. 1149 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,760 And I don't buy the whole thing. No, I think it was a two way 1150 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,560 street. I think, you know, Star Wars has 1151 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,080 done much more for science fiction in general or movies in 1152 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,200 general than any other, any other thing, any other, you 1153 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,280 know, piece of work, you know, as I'm off anyone. 1154 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,320 I, I think Star Wars has done more for general pop culture 1155 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,520 sci-fi than anything. And it's, you know, the 1156 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,920 characters and, you know, I know it's based off of, you know, 1157 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,280 Kurosawa's work and things like that, but everything takes 1158 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,440 inspiration from everything else. 1159 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,120 So that's just the way life works. 1160 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,440 And I just, you know, I just, it's got some great dialogue and 1161 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,240 lines. It's got everything about it is 1162 00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,480 memorable. I doubt there's a single person 1163 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,560 on this planet, even if they haven't seen Star Wars. 1164 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,320 They know what a Chewbacca is, you know, They know what an R2D2 1165 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,000 is. They know what a Luke is or what 1166 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,080 a hand do. You know what I mean? 1167 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,440 Like there's a Death Star. I know what Death Star is. 1168 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,800 I've never seen Star Wars, but I know what you mean by Death 1169 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:31,240 Star. Well. 1170 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,560 What I would say about it as well is like growing up as a 1171 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:39,200 kid, you know, in the 80s, especially early 80s, you know, 1172 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,880 Star Wars was that pure fantasy, wasn't it? 1173 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:46,760 It was the biggest escape world on TV for us as a young kid. 1174 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,840 Well, you know, I don't want to speak for you, but I think 1175 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,240 that's the vibe I'm getting from you. 1176 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,080 You know, it it it was our space operate because even then, the 1177 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,240 the original 1, you know, it looked like dated now, but it 1178 00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,560 was it was fantastic to to watch, wasn't it? 1179 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,960 It was pure escapism and it was, you know, you know, George Lucas 1180 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,600 talks about how he was inspired by, you know, those kind of 1181 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,000 Saturday morning Flash Gordons and things like that. 1182 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,880 And you know, the the comic books around that time, your 1183 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,720 previously, you know, particularly the kinds of ones 1184 00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:16,800 talked about space and space adventures, you know, and he, he 1185 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,640 took that and meshed it and melded it into this thing that 1186 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,040 now it's become this bit of an unwieldy behemoth. 1187 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,720 But at the time was just like you said it was, it was pure 1188 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,800 space opera and it was brilliant with it. 1189 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,640 I don't know why Empire resonates so much with me. 1190 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,240 I, I think everyone cites it because of the cliffhanger and 1191 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,640 because of the, you know, because of the, you know, the 1192 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,600 twist, you know, it's not a twist anymore, but you know, but 1193 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,680 actually, I think it's the way that movie starts. 1194 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,960 There's the thing that engrossed me, the Battle of Hoth and just 1195 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,120 the whole piece, you know, Luke getting captured, you know, and 1196 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,520 I, I, I, I'm still torn as to whether they did actually, you 1197 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,200 know, screw his face up because he had that car accident or not. 1198 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,600 You know, it's never really, no one's ever really gotten to the 1199 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:03,840 bottom of it. Lots of people will tell you 1200 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,920 different things. If you could sit down with Mark 1201 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,120 Hamill and ask him, I'm sure he'd, he'd probably tell you. 1202 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,080 But you know, that whole piece around it and it's, you know, 1203 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,760 even the weirdness around Leia gave him a kiss while he sit in 1204 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,600 the hospital bed. You still kind of go, but yeah, 1205 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,720 I just think I think that journey from from Hoth, you 1206 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,280 know, through and you introduce characters like Boba Fett and 1207 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,680 you know, and then, you know, IG 88 and you know, all of those 1208 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,920 kind of the banty hunt piece, you know, for me, it's the stand 1209 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,800 out of the three, you know, and people might have buy Jedi and 1210 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,720 Ewoks and stuff, but I don't care. 1211 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,600 Absolutely. This is your mind vibe. 1212 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,400 This is your mind vibe. Yeah, so if I could get rid of 1213 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,000 them and watch them again. Fair, Fair enough, Fair enough. 1214 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,120 Do you, before we move on, do you, do you want to know why? 1215 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,000 I mean other than, you know, it becomes well known that it came 1216 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,240 out in 77. Do you want to know why I always 1217 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,080 remember that New Hope came? Out I would love to. 1218 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,880 I'm going to link it back to music again. 1219 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,560 So I really love Ash and their album. 1220 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,880 Debut album was 1977 because two, well two of the band were 1221 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,160 bored in that year, but they also said they love Star Wars 1222 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,920 and that's the year it came out and it starts if I remember 1223 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,960 right, the album starts with a TIE Fighter sound I think as 1224 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,200 it's as if it's like flying overhead so. 1225 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:19,760 Nice. I just thought I'd mention that 1226 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,640 really random thing. So yeah, that that's the way I 1227 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,640 always remember what year it came out. 1228 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,480 Number two on your on your film list then. 1229 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:35,400 Number two, first, the first DVD that someone bought for me, not 1230 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,000 that I bought myself, but first DVD that someone bought for me. 1231 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,000 And a film that I'm still not sure why I fell in love with it. 1232 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,120 And again, it's got a bit of a weird undertone in all honesty, 1233 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,480 but still a brilliant piece of work. 1234 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,520 And it's the movie Leon. OK, I've not seen that for such 1235 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,880 a long time. Which you should. 1236 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,000 So one of my favourite all time actors, and we've spoken about 1237 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,440 this before on a few occasions. One of my favourite all time 1238 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,200 actors is Gary Oldman. And it's one of those movies 1239 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,120 where he puts in a performance that you just don't expect. 1240 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:13,840 You just, you know, he plays this twisted narc addicted cop 1241 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:18,280 who's just kind of a bit of a psycho crazy up against a hit 1242 01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,120 man who for all intents and purposes adopts a little girl 1243 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,680 whose parents get murdered by said cop. 1244 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,840 And it's about their budding relationship kind of father 1245 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:34,800 daughter type thing and and him this hitman who's almost a 1246 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:41,000 silent hermit type guy trying to protect her from from the cops. 1247 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,240 And it's just a really, I don't know. 1248 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,360 It's just something about, I think it's just a beautifully 1249 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:52,600 shot, weird, wacky movie with this weird double act who 1250 01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,720 shouldn't work. But it's a young Natalie Portman 1251 01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,440 isn't. It yeah, young Natalie Portman 1252 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,040 Yeah, that's right. And, and it's just AI just look, 1253 01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,880 people, people can read into it what they want. 1254 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,400 And sometimes I do worry about how people's minds work because 1255 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,960 I've watched that movie and I don't see a sense of paedophilia 1256 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,240 or any way through it. But other people will say that, 1257 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:13,480 you know, there is that undertone. 1258 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,280 And I think that maybe that's a, you know, I think they're over 1259 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,520 analysing some of this stuff. But, you know, for, for me, I 1260 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,400 just think it's a, it's a wonderful movie about a guy who, 1261 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,040 and you know, that I, I'm a person who's got three 1262 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,160 daughters, right? So I know what it's like to be 1263 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,640 protective of of, you know, three young kids. 1264 01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,760 And so, you know, just seeing that and doing anything you can 1265 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,880 to make sure that they live is that true expression of of being 1266 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,520 a parent. And so, you know, that that 1267 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,520 movie for me, and by the time I had that movie, I, I had two 1268 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,400 kids. So, you know, by the time that 1269 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,600 movie, I saw that movie and was and was bought me. 1270 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,880 So I think it was probably something tying back to that in 1271 01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,320 terms of why. But yeah, if I could not have 1272 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,520 seen that and kind of watch it for the first time with fresh 1273 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,040 eyes, I'd I'd love to do that again. 1274 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,960 That's fair because I remember at the time it being a massive 1275 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,280 film. Yeah, Luke Besson is, you know, 1276 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,880 who's who hasn't really gone anywhere much with it. 1277 01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:04,880 I mean, he's done some other stuff. 1278 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,520 He did Fifth Element and things like that. 1279 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,920 But, you know, after that it kind of, you know, his movies 1280 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,720 became a bit more B list, should we say? 1281 01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,320 Yeah. And just going back before we 1282 01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,160 move on. Yeah, Gary Oldman, someone I've 1283 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:20,720 really I've really appreciated over recent years more So I 1284 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,520 mean, you know, you, you got me onto slow horses and and he's 1285 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,000 he's phenomenal in that. But again, just go back to 1286 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,840 reboot D Boot when he was on it, he said there's like that meme 1287 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:34,120 that we're going to find at one point in our lives. 1288 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:35,960 We're going to take a mask off our face. 1289 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,680 We've been played by Gary Oldman all our lives because he's so 1290 01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,040 good at portraying characters. He's so good. 1291 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:42,600 He's so good. Yeah. 1292 01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,080 He's from Slow Horses. Was going to be either in one of 1293 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,920 my book lists or the TV list but I I moved away from it because 1294 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,480 it was it was too new for me. And I just. 1295 01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,440 Thought so, but yeah, Mick Herron's characters in that are 1296 01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,440 phenomenal. OK, OK. 1297 01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,440 And what's your third film choice? 1298 01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:06,360 My third film choice is again, a phenomenal piece of animation. 1299 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:11,360 Actually, that is one of those things if I could just purely 1300 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,720 for the reason if I could not, but I got so much joy out of 1301 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,640 watching it that if I couldn't watch it, if I couldn't have not 1302 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,640 seen it and and watch it again for the first time, I would. 1303 01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,360 And that is Spider Man Across the Spider verse. 1304 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,520 OK, OK. Yeah. 1305 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:30,480 Those movies have done something with animation that that no one 1306 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:35,040 saw coming, you know, and being a big fan of, you know, comics 1307 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:39,440 and animation and all and, and, and, you know, just geekdom and 1308 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:44,800 superheroes in general. Those movies were just eye 1309 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,760 opening and what they achieved and how they did it. 1310 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,040 And I can't wait for the third one. 1311 01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,560 You know, my daughter cried genuinely when it got to the end 1312 01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,080 of that one and it finished and there was no ending ending for 1313 01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,800 it. Yeah, she was genuinely, really. 1314 01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,360 Probably I've. Delayed it so long, haven't 1315 01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:58,840 they? Yeah. 1316 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,520 Yeah, they have, but the amount of work that that must go into 1317 01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,320 that, you know, they use multiple animation techniques to 1318 01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:09,000 do these things and to create these these crazy universes. 1319 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,360 And I'll be honest, I'd read the spider verse tales, the the 1320 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,720 comics and it hadn't really, I hadn't really done anything for 1321 01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:17,800 me. I'm like, that's right. 1322 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,640 It's different, you know, Spider Man 29 nine or whatever. 1323 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:25,440 But when they put it into a movie and made it what it was, 1324 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,560 yeah, right. You know, in just, you know, 1325 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,680 he's he's not so much into Across the Spider verse. 1326 01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,040 He's in. He's in the first one, 1327 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:34,720 obviously. Not but. 1328 01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,520 And, and that was potentially going to be much because that 1329 01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,160 was actually the first movie I went to the cinema with my 1330 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,960 daughter on my own to see who she's now nearly 12. 1331 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:44,960 And I just remember watching that with her. 1332 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,640 And she must have been about 8 or 9 at a time. 1333 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,600 She, she forced me to go and see it because I was, you know, I 1334 01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,720 wanted to go and see it, but I didn't think she'd want to 1335 01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,120 because I don't really sit and pay attention. 1336 01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,960 But she did through the whole thing and she got really freaked 1337 01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,720 out by the Prowler and the noise it made when the Prowler was on 1338 01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,560 screen. It's kind of a howling, roaring 1339 01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:04,760 noise and it used to freak her out. 1340 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:05,920 So she was just cuddled up to me. 1341 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,720 But we watched that movie and she really loved it. 1342 01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,320 And now she's growing up and she's kind of growing out of 1343 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,600 that sort of stuff. So she's not that bothered dad. 1344 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,080 So for me, that was going to be one of them. 1345 01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,240 But it was actually the second movie that I think they did such 1346 01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,280 a phenomenal job on. And there's still just scenes in 1347 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,080 that where the Gimme goosebumps, you know, in terms of, you know, 1348 01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,120 some of the and it's not necessarily animation. 1349 01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,000 It's it's the, you know, you know, miles going off and kind 1350 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,400 of going, I'm going to do my own thing, right, Screw you, Like 1351 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,080 I'm not going to be part of your game anymore. 1352 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,880 And you know, that sort of I've always been a bit rebellious. 1353 01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:40,800 And I think that that kind of thing has has definitely, it 1354 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,520 resonates with me on a, on a, on a, on a certain level. 1355 01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,680 Yeah. Do you know what it is with me 1356 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:50,880 with that film is so, you know, obviously, I mean, you're well, 1357 01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,440 I was massively into all the Marvel films like the MCU and 1358 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,720 that came out and I and I wasn't, you know, I wasn't sure 1359 01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,040 because it was, you know, animated, but I knew I would go 1360 01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:01,960 see it because it it it looked good. 1361 01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,720 And my wife would watch it and she she doesn't really do 1362 01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:10,080 cartoons, but she loved it. It, it works on so many levels 1363 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,240 as well as a movie. It's, you know, it's just, it's 1364 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,680 such a, it's a, it's a fun thing to watch, right? 1365 01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,080 It's and it's a it's a great story, but the art in there is 1366 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,280 phenomenal. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 1367 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,960 absolutely right. I know probably going to zip 1368 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,000 through because, but I want to make sure we cover everything. 1369 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,800 So random. Let's do food. 1370 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,120 And I know, you know, I know. Food is again another passion. 1371 01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,560 Yeah, I, I'm a, I'm a big foodie. 1372 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,160 I cook a lot. I cook all the meals at home 1373 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:37,680 actually, and I and I love eating out. 1374 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,360 So, but I'll run through these quite quickly because some of 1375 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:45,160 them won't mean anything to you. So, so there was when I was a 1376 01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,840 kid, probably mid teens, late teens, there was a little 1377 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,840 Chinese restaurant, I don't know, even a restaurant. 1378 01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,760 It was a take away on a group of shops near my house. 1379 01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:57,120 And whenever me and my a good friend of mine, fellow nerd and 1380 01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:02,040 geek, would get hungry of an evening playing D&D or whatever, 1381 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,920 we'd always wander down the shop and grab some food. 1382 01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,160 And it was something they did down there, which was a chastity 1383 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,160 chamane with chips and sweetie sour sauce. 1384 01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,520 And even now I'm sitting and salivating. 1385 01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,440 Oh my God, because I can remember it's triggering a 1386 01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,000 memory going, Oh my God, it was so good. 1387 01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,800 I've never found one like it. And and that for me, if I could 1388 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,600 do that again, I'd do that. My second one is for my birthday 1389 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,600 last year, we went to the hand of flowers, Tom Kerridge's 1390 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,440 restaurant. It's not a dish that he does, 1391 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,760 but but as you sit down at the table, he brings you they he 1392 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,600 didn't bring me. He's serving me. 1393 01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,480 He wasn't even there. He was off somewhere else from 1394 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,800 the TV show. They bring you this in house 1395 01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:49,120 baked bread and and it has this. I don't know if it's like bone 1396 01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,760 marrow butter. OK. 1397 01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,080 My God, I have never tasted bread ever. 1398 01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,240 Like this stuff. I, you know, and it's not to do 1399 01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,440 with the facts of posh and fancy restaurants because it's just 1400 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,240 bread. But whatever they're doing with 1401 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,120 that thing, you know, passing it through the intestines of a 1402 01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,360 fairy or whatever, it's a mate. It's just such a phenomenal. 1403 01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,720 It's got the right crust, the right, you know, rise, the right 1404 01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,480 everything. And it was just beautiful. 1405 01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,600 And I'm a massive bread fan. I love bread, you know? 1406 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:20,720 I can live without bread, so. Yeah, so that that for me would 1407 01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,240 also. Now I was tempted to put pizza 1408 01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,640 on the list, but again, you have so many people saying pizza and 1409 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,200 I know you're a big pizza fan and I cook a lot of my own 1410 01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,160 pizzas, so I haven't put that on the list. 1411 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,560 But my third one is almost a type of pizza and it's one my 1412 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:38,520 wife and I went away to an all inclusive in Turkey years and 1413 01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,680 years ago. And while we were there, they 1414 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:47,319 had their own little outdoor pizza area type thing, but they 1415 01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:51,840 cook the most amazing lamb chin, which is like Turkish pizza, but 1416 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:56,720 they put like a, a cooked lamb and tomato sauce on top of it. 1417 01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,800 And then you fill it with salad and nice sour cream or whatever 1418 01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:03,359 and then you and and that just amazing. 1419 01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:05,359 So 2 bread based things in there, which is probably not 1420 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,080 healthy. All carbs, actually. 1421 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,720 It's all. Tasty, tasty, tasty. 1422 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,040 Yeah, really good, Yeah. I I like all those. 1423 01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,399 Now going back to your first one, it's funny, isn't it? 1424 01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:14,680 There's always something like that. 1425 01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,680 Like there was a friend of mine growing up where we would go out 1426 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:21,200 and we would pass this shop and we would always go in it and get 1427 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,520 it. And it was a chicken ticker 1428 01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,160 wrap. You know, I never. 1429 01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:27,760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never got anything else from 1430 01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,479 that shop. It was just that because that 1431 01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,080 was our thing to do. And I love that so. 1432 01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,520 Much and I'm that's how I did. I'm a creature of habit. 1433 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,840 Wherever I go, I look at the menu and say, oh, next time I'm 1434 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,240 going to have this or I'm going to have that. 1435 01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:39,479 I always get the same thing because I just love what I like, 1436 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:40,120 you know? I love. 1437 01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,760 And I think there's, there's certain places that's applicable 1438 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,720 to and there's certain places I absolutely won't like if, if I 1439 01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,279 go to a nice restaurant, there's this rule, I can't remember who 1440 01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:51,880 said it, it might have been bored down or someone like that, 1441 01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,520 but, but basically said never order the same thing at a 1442 01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,320 restaurant twice. Like if you're going to a nice 1443 01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,800 restaurant, because if it's somewhere you go and you're 1444 01:09:58,800 --> 01:09:59,760 familiar with, I think it's fine. 1445 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,920 But if you're going to like out for a posh dinner, always have 1446 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,840 something different because you'll never be as excited or, 1447 01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,720 or or great grateful of the thing you got the first time and 1448 01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,600 it will never be quite as good. So, you know, always choose 1449 01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,840 something slightly different. So, you know, generally when I 1450 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,880 do, but there are certain places where you go, I'm just going to 1451 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:19,320 that. Well, well, that's it because 1452 01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,400 this, well, this place was like a take away. 1453 01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,520 And so, you know, I never had that anywhere else. 1454 01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,560 I never saw that anywhere anywhere else. 1455 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,040 So it would be yeah, I'm just going to have that and, and grab 1456 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:30,920 it and it. But it would also be almost like 1457 01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:32,640 not a tradition, but do you know what I mean? 1458 01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,440 It's that habit. You, you, you and your mate, 1459 01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:37,440 you're walking back and you just dip in, grab that and as you're 1460 01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:39,400 walking home. Exactly. 1461 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:44,880 OK, another one which I'm curious to know is sports. 1462 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,040 Now I probably should have said to you, but you, you if you've 1463 01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,840 listened, you probably get it. So it's not anything you've had 1464 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,960 to have done. It could be a sporting event 1465 01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,120 that you've watched. You don't have to have attended. 1466 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:58,280 It could be on TV, but sport, sporting events and and again 1467 01:10:58,320 --> 01:10:59,720 it's not I've only. I've only got the one. 1468 01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,200 OK, you're not a person, are you? 1469 01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,920 I'm not. I'm not a football person. 1470 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,040 I know a. Sporty person in the slightest. 1471 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:11,240 I grew up a lot around boxing. My brother was prolific boxer 1472 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,440 and particularly Thai boxing and he loved it. 1473 01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:16,160 And and actually, you know, this probably stems again from him. 1474 01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,840 It's probably his fault. There was going to be, I was 1475 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,000 touring an idea of an American football match on there. 1476 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:26,800 But actually it's, it's one event that I find fascinating, 1477 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,000 mainly because of all the hype that surrounded it at the time 1478 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:33,320 and the fact that, you know, at that time, particularly 1479 01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:39,400 involving 2 black sportsmen at the pinnacle their career and 1480 01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,280 the, and the press and everything it generated. 1481 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:45,920 So I would I would love to be able to watch the Foreman Ali 1482 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,440 fight again. The Rumbling. 1483 01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:50,720 The jungle. Because, you know, I've only 1484 01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:55,800 ever seen it a few times, but it always stood out as one of 1485 01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,640 those, you know, even when you see some of the clips of Ali 1486 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,280 essentially what feels like playing with his food. 1487 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,960 I know that's a terrible word to put it, but you know, in terms 1488 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,800 of how he fights and, and, and what he and he was at the height 1489 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,080 of his career. And I think, you know, just to 1490 01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,720 be able to get the opportunity to see that, you know, and if I 1491 01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,200 could, if I could go back in time, watch even better, but 1492 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,360 just be able to see that again, you know, without, I probably 1493 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,000 could, to be honest, I've probably forgotten most of it 1494 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,160 now. But again, you know, and it all 1495 01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,360 goes back to, you know, I spent a lot of time with and around my 1496 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,480 brother at that age. And he, he was heavily into 1497 01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:29,760 boxing and stuff. And he'd put, you know, videos 1498 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,440 on that, you know, and he'd talk about Rocky Marciano and things 1499 01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:34,400 like that. And but just going back and be 1500 01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:38,360 able to see that both George Foreman and Muhammad Ali in 1501 01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,200 their in their heyday would be phenomenal. 1502 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,640 That's interesting choice. Interesting choice because again 1503 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,640 we don't, as I said, we don't tend to talk sport because, 1504 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,480 well, we're not necessarily sporty people so. 1505 01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,000 I'm definitely not. It's never been a thing that's 1506 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,080 grabbed me and I don't, I don't really know why. 1507 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,080 My again, my dad's a massive Hammers fan, you know, he's a 1508 01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,920 West Ham fan. My daughter is a footballer. 1509 01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,200 She plays, she plays football. My son-in-law is a, is a 1510 01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,880 professional rugby league. Yeah, you know, I've got all 1511 01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,160 these sports things floating around me, but I it holds no 1512 01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,760 interest for me. There's just so much you can do 1513 01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,320 and and geek doing my. Brains. 1514 01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:17,080 My brains full of other stuff, unfortunately for a Deadpool. 1515 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,000 Right, let's jump to gigs and shows. 1516 01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,360 And shows could be theatre, etcetera. 1517 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:27,480 So yeah, gigs and shows. To one of you, one of which you 1518 01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:30,560 will know because you were there or be it not on the same day. 1519 01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:35,560 The other one which I'll start with is when I was much younger, 1520 01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,520 I was very lucky to. I had some tickets got for me 1521 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,440 and I don't think anyone was really aware of this person at 1522 01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:46,240 the time. When I went to see him at Her 1523 01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,240 Majesty Theatre. I went to see Lee Evans in one 1524 01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,480 of his first ever gigs. Oh really? 1525 01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:56,120 And it was without a doubt one of the funniest things I have 1526 01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,440 ever seen in my life. Because he really burst onto the 1527 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:01,360 scene, didn't he? Massively. 1528 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:05,000 And it was the show where he did Bohemian Rhapsody at the end. 1529 01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,680 So you know, if you've seen the VHS or the videos of this stuff, 1530 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,640 he did this light. He does the thing singing with a 1531 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,400 mic at the start and you know, my mother-in-law joke and it is, 1532 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:20,680 it is, it's just it's it was just the work of Jean. 1533 01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,680 And I've never seen anything like it from because I come from 1534 01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:28,720 a generation where comics were people like Jim Davison or Jim 1535 01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,640 Tarbuck or, you know, those, those sort of, you know, which 1536 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:36,080 were really now people look at them and go, Jesus Christ. 1537 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,960 I mean, but at the time when they were a bit less, we were a 1538 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:43,040 bit less PC and, you know, things were a bit less than they 1539 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:46,880 are now. They were they they were at 1540 01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,840 times genuinely funny. I mean, you know, Jim Davis had 1541 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,360 a hit show on TV based around snooker. 1542 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,200 You know, these people, you know, these these people were in 1543 01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,600 the mainstream, but it has kind of comedy evolved. 1544 01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,240 Yes, you had people like Ben Elton, who was very on kind of 1545 01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:05,640 the left wing kind of, you know, rah rah side of things and you 1546 01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,400 you had, you know, like Hale and pace and stuff on TV and things 1547 01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,200 like that. But but then you never stand up 1548 01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:16,200 wasn't what it is now like in terms of this mega stardom of 1549 01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,400 stand up and Lee Evans really kick started all of that. 1550 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,800 You know, he was the one who hosted the first one at the O2 1551 01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,200 and had, you know, however many thousands of people it was 1552 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,320 there. And but to see him in what was 1553 01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:32,800 essentially a really small, quite, quite unique little venue 1554 01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:37,120 was just such a joy. And, and it was, it was genuine. 1555 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,400 I can't I I genuinely couldn't see most of it through the tears 1556 01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,920 because I was laughing so much. He he also had that real 1557 01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:48,080 frenetic physical energy as well, wasn't it that that was 1558 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:49,640 the thing. I mean, I mean, I never forget 1559 01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,760 the first time I saw him on TVI mean he was he was drenched in 1560 01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:54,440 sweat by the end of it because he had. 1561 01:15:54,440 --> 01:15:55,960 Same at the show. Yeah, yeah. 1562 01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,120 He had a towel constantly like and he was just his suit. 1563 01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,560 He had to change suits in the interval Cos he had a like a 1564 01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,720 grey suit and I think it was and it was it basically turned black 1565 01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:07,760 because he just sweated the whole way through. 1566 01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,920 It and even him this like little British comic, you know, or or 1567 01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,400 little known British comic initially burst on the scene and 1568 01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,480 then he's in there's something about Mary, right? 1569 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,120 Something about Mary. He was in the Fifth Element. 1570 01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,840 He was in, you know, he, he. Kind of went as well. 1571 01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,320 Yeah, he's in the fifth element. He's one of the he's one of the 1572 01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,720 guys on the starships when the ship, when they were at the 1573 01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,360 space opera thing. OK, have I forgotten? 1574 01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:34,240 That yeah, the aliens all all burst on He's he's on the he's 1575 01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,360 one of the guys on the bridge and he has a bit of interaction 1576 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:37,680 with. I think it's a bridge for this. 1577 01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,600 Yeah, yeah. But so that was my mind. 1578 01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,480 Yeah, yeah. But so that was, yeah, that was 1579 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,920 an absolute joy to see. And if I could do that again, I 1580 01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:48,960 would, because it was genuinely. The funniest things. 1581 01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:54,280 I've ever seen and my second one is obviously and the their 1582 01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:59,800 second appearance in this in in this podcast is Nebworth Oasis. 1583 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:03,520 I went. I went on, I went on the 1584 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,480 Saturday. I was lucky enough again, my 1585 01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:08,040 brother's fault. He got, he got the tickets and 1586 01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,360 Nebworth is, is literally just down the road from us, right? 1587 01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:14,840 So it was a stone's throw and I think I might have even been at 1588 01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:16,480 college. What was it, 97? 1589 01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,200 It my name. No. 1590 01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,400 Yeah, 9697. Have I forgotten this? 1591 01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:23,840 Yeah, I. Think it's been 97. 1592 01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:28,480 Yeah, pretty sure it's 97. And I was, I was actually at 1593 01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:33,040 college at just across the road. So at the Broadway in Stevenage, 1594 01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,720 I was at college and they and you literally it was you walk 1595 01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:38,320 across, if you park your car and walk across fields. 1596 01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:43,040 So that's what we did and walked across on the Saturday to see 1597 01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:49,560 Chemical Brothers, Prodigy, Bootleg Beatles and the mighty 1598 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,320 Oasis. And it was just one of the best 1599 01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,280 days of my life. The sun was out. 1600 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:59,520 It rained in the morning and by the time it started about 2:00, 1601 01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:04,840 it was glorious sunshine. There was beer there. 1602 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:08,520 I got burned to buggery. I got, I was so sunburnt. 1603 01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:14,000 And then, you know, half 11, it finishes with fireworks and I'm 1604 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,800 the walrus. And it was just just such a 1605 01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:21,160 amazing coming together of people who with a love and 1606 01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,760 passion for a single band really that happened at Stones throw 1607 01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,720 from my hometown. So I I would genuinely love to 1608 01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:32,000 experience that all over again. I yeah, I have to agree with 1609 01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:33,920 you. I mean, I was there on a Sunday 1610 01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:39,120 and just looking, it was the 10th and 11th of August 96. 1611 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,240 I was 6 OK. Like I said, it was just a 1612 01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:43,880 brilliant day. Now I really wanted to go on a 1613 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:48,320 Saturday predominantly for it was Ocean Colour Scene and 1614 01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,120 Prodigy, right? Yeah, but I've got the Sunday 1615 01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,440 and I'm not going to complain because I saw also saw one of my 1616 01:18:54,440 --> 01:18:56,640 all time favorite bands there, the Charlatans. 1617 01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,920 Also got to see Manic St. Preachers, who I'm seeing this 1618 01:18:59,960 --> 01:19:03,960 August actually, and yeah, it like you said to have it. 1619 01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,360 Oh, you still got your ticket? Yeah, I still got my ticket. 1620 01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,240 Was it 2250? I think £22.50 right? 1621 01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:13,760 £22.50 There you go for Ocean Colour Scene, The Prodigy, the 1622 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,880 Bootleg Beetles and The Chemical Brothers. 1623 01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, an an Oasis, yeah, yeah. 1624 01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:23,080 I'm not going to tell you how much money I paid for my Oasis 1625 01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:24,600 tickets. We won't go there, we won't go 1626 01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:25,920 well. At least you got tickets. 1627 01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,120 I'm still gutted. It's too soon, Too soon. 1628 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,160 And remember Liam Noel anyone? If you're listening and you've 1629 01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,680 got spare tickets for me, please, please help me out 1630 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,160 there. They're too busy rehearsing, 1631 01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,600 dude. Yeah, it's funny that what you 1632 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:38,880 said. It was the opposite for me. 1633 01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,480 So when we walked in it was because I went with a mate and 1634 01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:44,800 we, yeah, you walked in and everybody they were, they had an 1635 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:46,560 ambulance there at St. John's because people were 1636 01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,680 getting sunburned out. But on the way out, when I'm the 1637 01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:51,800 Walrus was playing, it was raining. 1638 01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,200 So we'd gone in the sun and we left in the rain. 1639 01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:58,720 Well, I did nice summer rain as. Well, yeah, yeah, I, I did see a 1640 01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,320 couple of years ago though, I did see Liam solo at Knebworth 1641 01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,760 and that that just kind of brought it all back so. 1642 01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:06,680 Yeah, I didn't. I didn't get to see him at 1643 01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,360 Knebworth. I did get to see one of their 1644 01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,960 last UK gigs together at Wembley when they were just before they, 1645 01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:17,480 shortly before they bust up and I saw them, my wife and I went 1646 01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:19,520 to see them and they were supported by Reverend and the 1647 01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,400 Makers and Kasabian and that was, that was phenomenal. 1648 01:20:22,440 --> 01:20:24,960 That was a cracking gig. Yeah, Kasabian actually. 1649 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:30,200 So I saw them, they, they played just before Liam came on solo. 1650 01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,280 So I saw him twice that year because we'd got tickets. 1651 01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,560 So you know, they do the, is it the Teenage Cancer Trust? 1652 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,920 They do a series of gigs at the Royal Albert Hall. 1653 01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,080 He was playing there. So we got tickets for that. 1654 01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,800 And then about a month after we bought those tickets, it came up 1655 01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,520 that it was playing net worth. So my wife said, let's do it. 1656 01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,160 I said, no, we can't. She goes, yes, you can. 1657 01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:53,160 So we got the tickets. And yeah, Kasabian came on just 1658 01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,000 before him. And we didn't go for the start 1659 01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,560 because some of the bands we didn't really know and we, we 1660 01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,520 weren't, you know, we didn't want to be there all day. 1661 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,800 Go there for Kasabian, who, You know, I'd liked a couple of 1662 01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,280 their songs, you know. Yeah, I heard them on the radio. 1663 01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:09,840 But hearing them live and just again, the energy in the crowd 1664 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,880 when they come on, it was incredible. 1665 01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,200 So it blew me away live. They, I mean, I've been, I've 1666 01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,360 always been a big Kasabian fan. It was his first album. 1667 01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,120 But they, they really blew me away live. 1668 01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:19,840 They were, they were genuinely brilliant. 1669 01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,640 And again, I'm going to say it, but that's the thing because 1670 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,600 unfortunately I lost my SO. I had the programme AT Shirt and 1671 01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:30,480 the Ticket £22.50 for all those bands and it's insane. 1672 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,440 Oasis £22.50. Insane. 1673 01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,080 And this isn't that long ago. I mean, it's long ago, but it's, 1674 01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:42,280 you know, it's long ago but, but it's that long ago that it makes 1675 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:46,040 the difference between £22.50 and £250 or whatever it is 1676 01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:49,520 people were averaging on those tickets for, for Oasis, right? 1677 01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,720 But that's the thing, I can't remember at the time being in a 1678 01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,240 mode where I was stressing about spending £22.50 to go to see an 1679 01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,640 all day event. That net worth, you know, Oasis, 1680 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,960 I, you know, I wouldn't have been in that mindset. 1681 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,680 Whereas I remember when I was trying to get tickets for Oasis 1682 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,880 this year, I remember thinking I'm going to have a dilemma if I 1683 01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,800 do get through because I know the prices that have been 1684 01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:15,880 quoted, I I would have to think twice. 1685 01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,760 Isn't insane. What a choice, what a choice. 1686 01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,200 So was that the two you had for this? 1687 01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,520 They're, they're the two, yeah. I'm, I'm trying to keep it. 1688 01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,120 I'm trying to keep it lean towards the end now. 1689 01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,560 Right, I'm going to give you games, but do you know what 1690 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,720 games? Because we've got gaming views, 1691 01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,320 we won't necessarily go too much into it because there's another 1692 01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:37,080 big fun on me, but fun on me. What games would you relive? 1693 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,880 So the, the first one's obvious. We've just done a deep dive on 1694 01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,520 it and it's half life. I I genuinely love to forget 1695 01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,760 that I play, I play, I certainly play the second one and and it's 1696 01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,240 episodes, you know, at least once a year. 1697 01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,040 But I would the first one, I would love to kind of go that's 1698 01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:56,160 gone say again and listen to the episode to find out why That's 1699 01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:57,720 not a plug. It is a plug. 1700 01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,360 And you know what? I'm going to link it in the show 1701 01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:00,240 notes. There you go. 1702 01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:04,600 The next one is an absolute beautiful piece of work and the 1703 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:09,800 only game ever to make me genuinely cry within the first 1704 01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,920 hour and a half. And that is The Last of Us. 1705 01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,720 And I know people have a lot of some people have a lot of 1706 01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:18,320 issues. I don't know why with with the 1707 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,000 game. Maybe it's because it's now in 1708 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,200 the public domain, there's ATV show and things like that. 1709 01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:25,400 But when it came out as a game, the work that Druckmann and the 1710 01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:29,040 team did on that and what they and how they created it. 1711 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,080 And I don't think it's a spoiler, but you know, again, 1712 01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:37,040 for someone with some with small kids playing that game at the 1713 01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,920 beginning. And I hadn't read anything about 1714 01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,160 it or which is unusual for me or spoilers or anything like that. 1715 01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,240 But playing that game at the beginning and playing as Joel 1716 01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,840 and his daughter dying at within the first kind of hour or so 1717 01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:49,520 genuinely broke me. Because I'm. 1718 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,080 So invested in that. No, it never that kind of thing 1719 01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,160 never happens. And and it and it you know, for 1720 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,800 that reason alone, we spoke about this earlier, right? 1721 01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,040 I'm very much a take the highs with the lows kind of person, 1722 01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,960 right. So I don't think you can have 1723 01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,440 the highs without the lows. So to enjoy everything that game 1724 01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:07,760 has, you have to go through that bit of suffrage at the at the 1725 01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,200 beginning. And so a game that can do that 1726 01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,440 to me deserves a place on this list. 1727 01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,200 Well, that's fair enough. Mass Effect for me does the 1728 01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,320 same, but that's that's for another time. 1729 01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:19,960 That's another time. Keep keep an eye on gaming 1730 01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:23,200 views. OK, really solid, really solid 1731 01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:24,680 start there. What's next? 1732 01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:31,440 Last one is a game that was my first I guess foray into RPGs 1733 01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:33,280 proper. I'm not sure you can call it an 1734 01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,200 RPG, but but at a time that's what it would have been classed 1735 01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,560 as. And and the thing that one of 1736 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:42,280 the things that really kick started my love of video games 1737 01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,120 when I was quite young, and that's Zelda, a link to the 1738 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:49,200 past. You know, forget all your your 1739 01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,280 froggers and your Pac-Man and things like that, which were 1740 01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,200 fine and they were a bit of fun. Then they were like, you know, 1741 01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:54,440 in five minute bursts or whatever. 1742 01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:57,320 This was a game that kind of was game changing for me. 1743 01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,840 The story, you know, the, the enemies, the boss fights, you 1744 01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,440 know, the master swords, the whole thing just just gelled 1745 01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:08,880 together beautifully. And and you know, again, I've 1746 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,840 got the I've got the switch to today and I've totally forgotten 1747 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,480 because I've switched online, but it's quite prominent on the 1748 01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:18,240 on the switch. You've got the Nintendo store 1749 01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,840 piece that you've got access to a load of back catalog stuff. 1750 01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:26,640 So you've got you've got the N64, you've got the GameCube, 1751 01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,600 you've got the Nez, you've got the snares. 1752 01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,120 And on the snares is a link to the past. 1753 01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:34,680 So I was like, I'm just going to download that and play it on the 1754 01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,400 big screen. So that's what I'm going to do 1755 01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:39,640 because I love that game so much. 1756 01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,960 Yeah, absolutely brilliant. Three, it's 3 again, classics, 1757 01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:49,240 iconics, you know, still in the modern mind, you know, these 1758 01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,600 games like so we spoke about half life ourself, Last of Us, 1759 01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,880 you know, is, is is everywhere and and Zelda, what a legacy 1760 01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,280 there, right? So yeah, OK, OK. 1761 01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:03,600 So Dan, we're going to move on to the final subject, which is 1762 01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,840 life moments. Yeah. 1763 01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:11,520 So this this one for me is I've only got one right and I 1764 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,920 apologise up front if I get a little bit emotional because it 1765 01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:19,880 was probably definitely the hardest thing I've ever been 1766 01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:24,720 through, but also in in another way, the most joyous thing I've 1767 01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:31,560 ever been through. So I've got 4 kids and you know, 1768 01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,400 the birth of any child is an absolute gift. 1769 01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,760 It's, it's one of the most amazing things you can 1770 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,720 experience and be a part of and, and grow with, right. 1771 01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:40,560 And I love being a dad. I love my kids. 1772 01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,800 You know, two of them are much older at 2728 and two of them 1773 01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:45,840 are much younger at 10:00 and 11:00. 1774 01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:50,720 But my youngest, she was born 3 months premature. 1775 01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:53,080 All right. To put that in perspective, she 1776 01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:57,760 was, she was only 26 weeks old when she was born and she spent 1777 01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:02,280 the first three months of her life in intensive care and I 1778 01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:06,280 spent the first three months of her life living between work and 1779 01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,200 the hospital. So I would literally, my wife 1780 01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,480 would be at the hospital in the day, My mum would be looking 1781 01:27:11,480 --> 01:27:14,200 after her sister who's a little bit older. 1782 01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:17,640 My wife would be at the hospital all day with her and I would be 1783 01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:22,120 at work after paternity leave. And then I would leave work and 1784 01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,960 I would drive straight to the hospital Lister just down the 1785 01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,160 road from us. And my wife would swap over and 1786 01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:31,040 go home to care for another 1. And I would spend the evening as 1787 01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,560 much as I could until probably about midnight or two in the 1788 01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,360 morning at the hospital and then drive back home to get a bit of 1789 01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,440 sleep before I went to work. And that was kind of the cycle 1790 01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:40,200 that I got into for for three months. 1791 01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,800 And she was very poorly. She was, she was, you know, she 1792 01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:48,640 was in an incubator for a good 6-7 weeks. 1793 01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,680 She was intubated. So she had a tube, she was being 1794 01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,600 fed intravenously. She was on, you know, tubes out 1795 01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:59,400 of everywhere. And there's a song by a band 1796 01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:04,040 called Wires, which is about a similar thing that that the lead 1797 01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:07,200 singer went through with his with his daughter, you know, 1798 01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,040 during that time. I think it builds this 1799 01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:14,720 incredible bond because what you do when your child is, is born 1800 01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,880 so early, you have what's called kangaroo care, which is skin, 1801 01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,440 skin contact. So they, they literally the time 1802 01:28:20,440 --> 01:28:24,360 she's not in an incubator, they put her or him on your chest and 1803 01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,400 you spend time with them just laying there. 1804 01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:34,200 And I learnt the words to a book and used to read that because 1805 01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:35,280 you couldn't take books in sorry. 1806 01:28:35,480 --> 01:28:38,040 So you couldn't take physical objects in because of germs and 1807 01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,400 things like that. So I had to learn the words in 1808 01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,360 my head and I would read the story to her over and over 1809 01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:44,600 again. And I still read it to her 1810 01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:49,600 sometimes now. And we, and in that time, we saw 1811 01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,120 so many families whose unfortunately, their children 1812 01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:56,240 didn't survive, but because of the situation you're in, they 1813 01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:57,520 would be in the same room as you. 1814 01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,840 And all they could do was put a curtain around, you know, and 1815 01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:01,760 you're feeling, I mean, it's almost like survivor's guilt. 1816 01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:02,960 You're like, were your kids still there? 1817 01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,640 But they, their tiny baby had just passed away. 1818 01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,520 And it was one of the hardest things I've ever had to go 1819 01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,400 through. But the reason it's so joyous is 1820 01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:14,800 also because of what it, what it's given us in Daisy and, and 1821 01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,480 who she is and the character that she is and how strong and 1822 01:29:17,480 --> 01:29:20,680 fierce that she is. And so I said before, I'm one of 1823 01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,480 those people who takes the highs with the lows. 1824 01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:26,280 And I genuinely believe that. And so it, it, I know it sounds 1825 01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,320 like a really strange thing to want wiped and to live through 1826 01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:33,000 again because it was so hard. But because of because of what I 1827 01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:37,560 got out of it and, you know, outweighs the bad so much, I 1828 01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:39,480 would do it again. I wouldn't do anything 1829 01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:42,680 differently, but that is what I would do again, to live that 1830 01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:46,920 experience and know that everything was going to be OK 1831 01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,600 afterwards because that's the hardest thing, going through it 1832 01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:50,920 and not knowing. Yeah. 1833 01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:52,880 No, I really appreciate you sharing that because, yeah, I 1834 01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,920 remember you at the time. I mean, you know, not having 1835 01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,400 kids myself, you know, you can say, you can imagine, but it's 1836 01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:00,960 hard. You know, you can't ever 1837 01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,360 understand what you're going through. 1838 01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:06,200 And, you know, and and I think, you know, I think I'll be OK to 1839 01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,560 say this, that you are a person that generally you'll go through 1840 01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:12,960 day-to-day if if there's issues, you know, that just bounces off 1841 01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,720 your kind of thing or you don't let it show. 1842 01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:19,760 But clearly, as we said it, it was a very traumatic thing for, 1843 01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,680 for, you know, for your daughter to be born that early. 1844 01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:25,280 But, you know, I remember kind of what you were going through 1845 01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:26,880 and, and how you were feeling at the time. 1846 01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,560 And look, I get it. I think what you say, you know, 1847 01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:33,000 people might find it unusual to, to live with something like 1848 01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:34,120 that. But I think what you said is 1849 01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,400 because obviously now it's got the, the, the most happiest of 1850 01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,600 endings in sense of, you know, your wonderful, wonderful 1851 01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:44,120 daughter. And I think, yeah, no, I, I, I 1852 01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:47,920 get what you're saying about it's that, that, that moment 1853 01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:52,960 that shows you kind of what life is right or what it can be so. 1854 01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,040 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And we all go through these 1855 01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,720 sliding doors moments where, you know, life can go one way or 1856 01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,200 another. And, and thankfully for us and 1857 01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,760 sadly not for a lot of other people, it went the right way. 1858 01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:09,040 But you know, like I said, it was one of those things, if I 1859 01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,520 could live that again, but knowing what the outcome was 1860 01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,840 going to be rather than guessing everyday what it might be, 1861 01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:18,040 that's why I'd do it, you know, And look, you know, you're 1862 01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:21,240 right, it is, it has had the best of outcomes. 1863 01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:24,120 I mean, the kid drives me absolutely looping most days, 1864 01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:25,920 right? But she's amazing, right? 1865 01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:30,240 And now and that whenever I'm being driven nuts, I have to go. 1866 01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,320 But what could it have been? Do you know what I mean? 1867 01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:34,720 I'm glad she's here to drive me nuts. 1868 01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:36,920 And that's not to say I love any of my kids any less. 1869 01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,280 I absolutely don't. They are all incredible in their 1870 01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,320 own way. It's just I know that none of 1871 01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,280 them had to go through what she went through. 1872 01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,880 And therefore that's why that holds a special place for me. 1873 01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:48,960 I get it. I get it. 1874 01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:50,560 No, thank you for that. Thank you. 1875 01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:51,720 It's. You're very welcome. 1876 01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:55,200 Well, I think we've reached the end of our topics, haven't we? 1877 01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,080 You could correct me. It's been a marathon, Dan, it's 1878 01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:58,800 been a marathon. I apologise. 1879 01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:00,800 I said it would be quick. And I've no, no, don't 1880 01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,200 apologise. This, this episode is always 1881 01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,200 like this. And it's, it's, it's, you know, 1882 01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:07,600 adding extra topics to it as I've gone along. 1883 01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,880 Hasn't the health team? You're smooth with the editing 1884 01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:12,320 down, it's fine. Yeah, yeah. 1885 01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,560 So when I say hello and goodbye, that's. 1886 01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,160 It. No, but you know, I was saying 1887 01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:21,360 to you beforehand, I love these episodes because one, the guest 1888 01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:24,480 has to do the majority of the work, kind of joke, joke, joke. 1889 01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,680 But no, it's I love, it's fascinating. 1890 01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:31,080 I love, you know, you know, whether it's a podcaster or a 1891 01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:34,520 friend or in your case, both. I just love getting to know what 1892 01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,240 makes people tick. Do you know what I mean? 1893 01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,120 You know, because. Yeah, I can get that. 1894 01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:42,680 People will now hear you on gaming views and you're just 1895 01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:44,360 going to be talking about games, right? 1896 01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:46,440 But what's the music? What's the food? 1897 01:32:46,440 --> 01:32:49,720 What's the the the gig set make you? 1898 01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:51,280 Yeah, that that's that's the thing. 1899 01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:54,960 That's why I love this so. The human element, I think is so 1900 01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:56,920 intrinsic. It's part of what I do as a job. 1901 01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,400 It's part of, you know, knowing and understanding people is far 1902 01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:01,920 more important than being, you know, super technically 1903 01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,760 proficient in a certain space. You know that that's not always 1904 01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,520 true. Obviously there are people who 1905 01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,040 are technical profession and brilliant at a job, but actually 1906 01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:12,680 when you have to play things at a more political level or 1907 01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,080 leadership level, you know, understanding and knowing 1908 01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,800 people, not in a Machiavellian way, but genuinely wanting and 1909 01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,880 interested in people and their nature can just help you in so 1910 01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,400 many ways. And so I've always tried to be 1911 01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:27,640 an open booking those sorts of things, you know, and I, and I 1912 01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,640 will always try and continue to because I, I'm not ashamed of 1913 01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,720 the things I've been through or the things I've done or where 1914 01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:36,000 I've been or how I've grown up. You know, most people, most 1915 01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,800 people, some people who kind of sit and go as a 49 year old man 1916 01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:42,760 talking about essentially, you know, electronic toys, honestly, 1917 01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:44,840 and it will be the only time I do it on this podcast. 1918 01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:48,840 I don't give a shit because I'm me and I'm proud to be me and 1919 01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,760 I'm proud to to enjoy the things I do and love my family the way 1920 01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,520 I do and you know, and, and enjoy doing the things I do with 1921 01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,280 you. So you know, those that matter 1922 01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,040 don't mind, and those that mind don't matter, right? 1923 01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,200 Trust, trust us. Trust us here here first, but 1924 01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,440 trust us we we may not have the podcast then, but we'll be 1925 01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:07,560 playing with the latest consoles. 1926 01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:13,880 We're we're 59 all day long. All day long. 5979, right? 1927 01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:18,480 It's on the controllers. And it'll all be BR and I 1928 01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:20,040 controlled then, won't it? Quite. 1929 01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:21,680 I hope so. I'll be exhausted. 1930 01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,400 Look, Dan, thank you very, very much for doing this. 1931 01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:26,320 It's. Been my pleasure. 1932 01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,400 Do you just want to do you want to plug game reviews one more 1933 01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:32,120 time before we go? Go and watch game reviews, it is 1934 01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,680 genuinely the best gaming podcast on the planet and I say 1935 01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,800 that without any hint of irony, mainly because Dan and I are the 1936 01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:39,640 presenters. So do it. 1937 01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:44,240 Yeah, we'll, we'll, I'll stick all the notes in the show notes. 1938 01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,960 Yeah. Go listen to Gaming Views. 1939 01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,600 And yeah, if you want to be on this, if you've heard this and 1940 01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:54,880 you fancy going through the same thing Dan just has, you can find 1941 01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,600 me on social media at Casting Views or drop me a note at 1942 01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:03,120 castingviewspod@gmail.com. All that's left to say is I will 1943 01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:06,480 see you next week for another episode of Casting Views. 1944 01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:18,600 If I want your opinion, I will give it to you. 1945 01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:25,160 Come on, check what we've got 'cause you need it. 1946 01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:28,360 Don't make a scan. A spark and voice need it. 1947 01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,440 Come on, we've got what you need. 1948 01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:31,760 We're tasking.