1 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,120 Hello and welcome to another episode of Casting Views, a 2 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,000 podcast that takes a topic each week and, as the name suggests, 3 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,240 Cast Views. This week I'm recording again on 4 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:26,840 one of the hottest days of the year, and what better to talk 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,840 about a subject of grown adults grappling, you know, swaying and 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,200 grappling. There's an image already then 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,640 the one and only Joey from a whole ton now of of podcasts, 8 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,160 right? But predominantly. 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,240 Game club, the game club pod. Just say game club pod is 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,600 easier. I think I'm glad then that I 11 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,840 came in my wrestling attire of tiny drinks and nothing else, 12 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:51,560 and I'm glad that you did the same well. 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,400 I was going to say I wasn't expecting you to do that, so now 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,520 I feel I've addressed you. How are you, my friend? 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:59,680 How are you? I'm very well, thank you. 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,200 I'm I'm actually recording this live from the 3rd circle of 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,000 hell. It's so hot, but you know, we 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,640 enjoy doing it. It's lovely to see your face. 19 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,440 So if any one of us going to be here is sweating with, I'm glad 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,320 it's you. I am so of course, well, you 21 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:18,200 know, more more than anyone, but obviously I've started another 22 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,400 podcast Gaming views. And I was doing that with a 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,040 friend of mine, Dan, also Dan and I said to him the other 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,400 night before we started recording, I said, welcome to 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,360 the life of a podcast recording on like 29° heat in a little 26 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,920 room with a screen and and you know, shutting everything for 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,320 the sound. And we're now doing YouTube, 28 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:38,560 right. So the video's coming out 29 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,200 tomorrow. Well, Tuesday you'd have seen it 30 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,080 last week now, but you can see by the end I'm just literally, 31 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,600 well, I'm getting redder and redder as the video's going on 32 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,440 and I'm just not wiping the swear. 33 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,520 That's me on a normal day. It's just a bit more today. 34 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,000 How is the Game Club pod going? Talk to us a little bit about 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,200 that. Yeah, Game Club Pod is good. 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,840 We are doing some really exciting things with advanced 37 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,360 copies of games and review copies of games you might have 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,520 seen if you subscribe to us. The DLC series has has 39 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,640 predominantly been reviews for for copies of games that we've 40 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:18,000 been given by developers, which is really exciting. 41 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,920 It's something I really wanted to do when we started the 42 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:23,120 podcast, but it's taken a few years to get there. 43 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,040 But it's it's really fun. It's really cool to see 44 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,680 developers very early iterations of their games and, and we've 45 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,160 had feedback from developers on our feedback on their games. 46 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,000 And it's just good to have that conversation with people in the 47 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,280 gaming industry, which I think there was a point with Game Club 48 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,680 Pod where we kind of deviated quite far away from gaming. 49 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,920 And we still have two blokes from Blighty. 50 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:50,320 We still have BAP, which there's a new one out today at time of 51 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,760 recording. And, and I think I've said to 52 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,360 you before, I I care very little for anime and cartoons for 53 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,360 adults, but the bat boys, I'm so pleased that they are doing what 54 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,320 they're doing because Pete and Sky are just wonderful. 55 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,080 Not that Alex and Tim aren't, they're they're all right as 56 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,360 well, but I speak to them quite a lot and they know how I feel 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,560 about them. We're also streaming every 58 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,960 Thursday on Twitch at minimum. We sometimes do more than that, 59 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,480 but that's fun. Game Club Pod is really good, 60 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,120 it's just really busy. You are extremely busy and I 61 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,640 know you know I keep saying to you I really do love your feed 62 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,320 you, Alex and and Tim, especially with some of the 63 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,080 newer things you'd do in like thanks. 64 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,080 I hate it and cutscenes really fine. 65 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,360 In your groove with that as well and really good. 66 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,240 We found that we were doing a video game every two weeks and 67 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,240 if you want to get into a game, two weeks often isn't enough 68 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,440 time to do it, especially when you're trying to do it in bulk 69 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,360 and, and front load the episodes. 70 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,520 So we would record two or three episodes that would be 6 weeks 71 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,040 worth of game content and then we would go in, oh, there's such 72 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,840 a gap between mainline episodes. And then we realised we're 73 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,280 calling it mainline when we have all these other things that come 74 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,320 out. So we split our feed into the 75 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,960 game club pod, which is our what we used to call our mainline 76 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,480 episodes. So like a review of a book club 77 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:13,160 style of a game Then we have Thanks I hate it where we try 78 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,880 and take one of the tropes that one of the hosts doesn't like in 79 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,760 games or films. So for example, Tim and Alex 80 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,320 both don't like jump scares. So I made them watch it Part 1 81 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,400 and 2 recently. And then cutscenes is all about 82 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,720 video game movies and trying to think of the last good one we 83 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,760 had maybe the first one, the Bob Hoskins Mario movie, which is so 84 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:35,560 bad. It's good. 85 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,320 And it just, it gives it a really nice rhythm, like you 86 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,880 know what's coming out. And I feel like that continuity 87 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,000 is always good. And then you throw in two blokes 88 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,120 from Blighty there, which is a bit like Chuck in a brick in a 89 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,640 washing machine. There's no continuity or 90 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,320 consistency there. It's just a bit like raw energy 91 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,280 put onto a podcast, which I really enjoy. 92 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,400 And then Dan, it's it's this. I don't know if you ever date 93 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,760 your episodes. It's the 16th of June today. 94 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,000 I had a thought. I think we're going to start 95 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,400 recording Podma soon. That's incredible as well. 96 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:14,080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I was actually talking to the 97 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,200 other Dan about Podma. So I was saying, yeah, I can't 98 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,480 wait for this year's. Are you not going to do it? 99 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,600 No, I think, well, I think we're going to do some Christmassy 100 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,880 episodes, OK. But yeah, I don't think we're 101 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,040 going to do a pod news yet. I'm sure between now and 102 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,720 December I've managed to rope you and Dan into some element of 103 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,640 Podmus. So if you want to hear gaming 104 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,920 views and casting views and game club pod all in one place, I'm 105 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,520 sure there will be an episode of Podmus for you. 106 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,160 Which I should explain what Podmus is for anyone. 107 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,680 I've I've been here a lot for a while. 108 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,240 It felt like I was a second host. 109 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,040 Dan Podmas started off as the 12 pods of Christmas. 110 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:56,080 So we released an episode every other day in December right 111 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,280 until Christmas Day. Then we thought, why are we only 112 00:05:58,280 --> 00:06:00,600 doing 12? Let's do 24 right up to 113 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,280 Christmas Day. And then we did that and we 114 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:04,960 thought, why are we only doing 24? 115 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,080 Let's do 30 and do everyday other than Christmas Day. 116 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,600 So our plan now is to go one step further and do a full 31 117 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,920 podcast episode every single day in December. 118 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,520 And so you should. Which, which will be fun, but 119 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,520 just to set expectations. They're not they're not all like 120 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,160 reviews. Some of them are serious, some 121 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,520 of them are stupid. So we do a quiz for one of them. 122 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:31,080 We do like a blind tier list episode is is a bit of a 123 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,880 favorite. We did a choose your own 124 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,760 adventure last time. We do AD and D couple of 125 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,760 episodes, which Dan appeared on last year. 126 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,080 It's good fun. It's really good fun and it's 127 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,400 like it's where the variety side of me gets to, to fix a little 128 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,120 bit rather than just being stuck to, to our, our task, which I 129 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,560 love doing. But every now and then I I 130 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,040 listen to other podcasts and I think that's a great idea I 131 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,280 could RIP off. Well, no, but I get it. 132 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:01,080 And that's why, you know, I love doing on here. 133 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,240 I love doing the mind, the mind wipe and the dinner party 134 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,400 episodes, etcetera, or even getting you like you know, when 135 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,280 I had you and and the rest of your gang on for the origin of 136 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,480 phrases, because I love getting podcasters, especially ones who 137 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,000 are specifically in a in a niche like Justin, like the movie 138 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,280 wise, constantly doing movies yourself, predominantly in games 139 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,200 to do something different and outside of the normal, normal 140 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,240 thing. It's great to kind of see how 141 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,680 the mind works outside of the usual. 142 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,840 And just as a when, When does this episode go live, Dan? 143 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,720 This should go this Sunday. So what's that? 144 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,520 The 22nd. Wow, if you've not listened to 145 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:43,440 Dan H's Mind Wipe, go back a week and listen to it. 146 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,200 It's really really good. I'm really enjoying it. 147 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,200 I'm about 2/3 of the way through at time of speaking so. 148 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,760 Thank you for that. And that's good. 149 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,360 Yeah. I was really looking forward to 150 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,520 that because I've known him for so long and I and I see I saw on 151 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,360 the episode knowing him the way I do, I couldn't wait to find 152 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,200 out what he was going. To I really, I really liked when 153 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,840 he was picking things and, and I think I've listened to, I think 154 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,760 I've listened to every single mind what you've done. 155 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,200 But I feel like with the one with Dan, you just picked up and 156 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,680 you tend, you seem to know a lot more about the subjects he was 157 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,320 talking about rather than being introduced to new things. 158 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,600 And, and I feel like, I mean, I, you know, I like you and Dan as 159 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,360 a, as a duo. I think that you're great 160 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,760 together, but I just, I feel like the way you bounce off each 161 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,640 other really shows like a good Co host relationship and and 162 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,280 what you need for a really good podcast. 163 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,640 So yeah, go and listen to that if you haven't already. 164 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,240 No, I appreciate that. Yep, gaming views. 165 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,360 And yeah, check us out on YouTube because I've gone on 166 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,840 video, which, yeah, after after almost four years of this, yeah, 167 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,400 I'm showing my face. This isn't going on YouTube, is 168 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,320 it Dan? Because no, it's very hot. 169 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,920 Yeah, especially when you've just ripped your share of Hulk 170 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,320 Hogan style. Yeah, the rest came with it. 171 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:53,680 That's why you can't go on YouTube. 172 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,400 Yeah, and make sure obviously you go listen to go subscribe to 173 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,200 the game club pod feed to get basically so much content every 174 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,480 week and various content. It's honestly it's it's one of 175 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,120 my favorite because I love you guys. 176 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,600 So it's. It's it's easy to buy loads of 177 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,600 content that's varied when you have technically 5 hosts. 178 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,120 Yeah, it helps. Oh, and what I will say before 179 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,680 we we get on. So as long as you're still 180 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:20,760 alright for it, you'll be back next week, won't you? 181 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:21,520 I. Will. 182 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,520 Because I've got various. Yeah. 183 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:25,000 Yeah. Well, basically that was more 184 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,480 just making sure everyone knew that. 185 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,520 Yeah. So I've got a very special 186 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,000 episode next week. It's episode 200. 187 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,560 Joey has agreed to to step in and help out and. 188 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:37,600 Yeah. And probably a bit of news about 189 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,960 sort of the the future of that. So yeah, make sure you you 190 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,400 bookmark that next week to to hear Joey again. 191 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,240 I mean, let's really be real here. 192 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,120 Bookmark it for next week. BE 1 because it's casting views 193 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,560 and you should anyway, but two because of Dan and his show and 194 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:55,720 the monumental achievement that is 200 episodes. 195 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:56,960 Bless you. Thank you. 196 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,880 Actually, I'm bookmarking it because I don't know what it is 197 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,880 because I've told you to come do all the work for me. 198 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,280 So, and I'm not joking, I'm all right. 199 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,240 With that, I'm all right. With that right, this is 200 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,160 something I've been saying to you since wrestling came onto 201 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,040 Netflix back in January. I was saying to you, I felt like 202 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,520 I wanted to do a series on wrestling. 203 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,360 You know, I'm not the biggest expert. 204 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,440 I used to love watching it, then we'll talk about it. 205 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,680 I hadn't seen it for many, many years. 206 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:26,440 Then wrestling's come back on and I'm like, I've regressed 207 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:31,800 2025 years and I wanted to do like a wrestling sub series. 208 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,000 I haven't got round to doing it. You mocked up a brilliant 209 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,600 picture for me. Well, you said it's not for me, 210 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,240 it's for my wife. But you've got a brilliant 211 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,960 picture of of my head on a Stone Cold Steve Austin, isn't it? 212 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,400 Which weirdly she's put up in a frame but not there's no 213 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,520 pictures of me. But yeah. 214 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,760 And then you you kind of put something to me which will come 215 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,520 until after. But firstly, what's your what's 216 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,200 your history with wrestling? And I don't necessarily mean you 217 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,520 actually being involved unless you were, which I'm I'm more 218 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,360 than happy to hear. I wasn't. 219 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,280 I used to work with someone who, I'm not going to say where I 220 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,560 work for for obvious reasons, but I used to work with someone 221 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:13,600 who we found out after about a year was a heel in a independent 222 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,520 wrestling promotion. And he used to go on as the 223 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,720 manager and just get beaten up every single night after work, 224 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,000 which was good. That wasn't me, promise. 225 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:28,320 Honestly, not me. So I used to really love 226 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,680 wrestling. And I can tell you the first 227 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:35,200 ever match I watched when it was aired was just after Eddie 228 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:40,680 Guerrero lost his title to John Bradshaw Layfield and he was 229 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,880 having a steel cage match as the rematch to to potentially get it 230 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,040 back. And he did a a frog splash off 231 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,600 the top of the cage on to Kurt Angle. 232 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,280 And I remember watching it and thinking, this is unreal. 233 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,600 This is unlike anything I've ever watched. 234 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,440 The crowd going mad, the people having a blatant disregard for 235 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:07,920 their safety and well-being. And then Kurt Angle comes in as 236 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,960 a masked man. I have no idea who these people 237 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,800 really are at this point. And, and he, he screws over 238 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:19,240 Eddie, but I just as well as the big sweaty blokes beating each 239 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,480 other up. I just remember thinking this is 240 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,840 like a soap opera for people who want to watch people beat each 241 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,640 other up. And I obviously I knew of a lot 242 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,160 of the people during the Attitude era. 243 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:34,840 I know that that was when it got really big. 244 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,480 I was like the back end of primary school when the Attitude 245 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,560 Era was on. So when we were in the 246 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,720 playground, people would go mad for it. 247 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,320 So we used to just beat each other up in the playground going 248 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,240 like, oh, I'm The Rock and I'm Steve Austin. 249 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,640 I'd never watched it, but I used to tell people that I had 250 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:56,120 because I thought it was cool. But I really got into it a few 251 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:02,440 years after that. So the kind of real raw side of 252 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,920 it that all the blood and the guts and the kind of intentional 253 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,240 misogyny and and all of that stuff had died down quite a lot 254 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,800 by the time I got into it. And then Tim, my Co host and, 255 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,360 and I say little brother, I can't say little brother. 256 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,000 He's about half a foot tall of them. 257 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:26,200 My younger sibling, Tim and I went to see WWE. 258 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,280 It was WWE at the time. That's kind of dating. 259 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:35,200 It was not long after the the, the the change from WWF to WWE. 260 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:39,240 We went to see it in Birmingham and we watched a Fatal Four Way, 261 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:43,600 which was John Cena, The Undertaker, Kurt Angle and The 262 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,720 Big Show. And it was an actual episode of 263 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,080 Smackdown. So like they pulled out all the 264 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,520 stops for it and I just was absolutely blown away by the 265 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:59,160 atmosphere. And then I kind of, I think I 266 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,960 was really into it for about a year, maybe a little bit longer, 267 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,960 but I kind of when the Royal rumbles on, I used to try and 268 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,040 watch the Royal Rumble because I just thought it was really good 269 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,720 fun, really stupid fun. And I like seeing who they 270 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,480 brought back, what the gimmick was this year and WrestleMania, 271 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,400 I used to watch it sometimes. I had about 19 different emails 272 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,960 so I could keep getting the free subscription for a month for the 273 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,360 WWE. What was it called? 274 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,120 The network. The network and then when they 275 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,680 brought it to Netflix, it's like, well, I have Netflix. 276 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,840 This is interesting, it's fresh and people are talking about it. 277 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,800 Why would you not want to to follow up on it now? 278 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,240 I know that you now watch it a fair amount. 279 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,000 Now it's on Netflix and you're going and doing back catalogues, 280 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,520 which I think is an incredible thing. 281 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,200 I will watch the the pay per views, but I'm I think it's just 282 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,840 missing something at the moment. I feel like they're missing that 283 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,360 drama and the story element. I feel like the the wrestling 284 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,200 itself is technically much, much better. 285 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,640 The kind of stuff that's over the top is more over the top. 286 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,080 But the thing that they're missing to me is the characters. 287 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,520 So I think when they get that back in, I might, I might get 288 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,080 pulled back into it a bit more. But until they do that, I'm I'm 289 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,720 just going to stick to the headline, the headline stuff. 290 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,720 So John Cena and Cody Rhodes I think is a really interesting 1. 291 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,360 I don't, I can't talk too much about the recent one because I 292 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,600 don't want to do spoilers, but the latest pay-per-view headline 293 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,520 with John Cena, Cody Rhodes, the ending to that I think was 294 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,440 great, was really, really good. That's an example of a really 295 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:40,400 good character development, and I'm loving John Cena's heel 296 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,160 turn. I think, yeah. 297 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,120 And we'll talk about that in a little bit with with what we're 298 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,600 going to talk about later. But I just, I feel like at the 299 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,680 moment they are finding their feet on a new network and I 300 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,800 think it will be really good, but it needs to get good before 301 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,480 it gets stale. Yeah. 302 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,640 So yeah, that's kind of where I am with wrestling. 303 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,160 Yeah, I, it's funny, very similar thing right back to what 304 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:07,640 you said is I worked at a place where I subsequently found out 305 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,040 that a guy there worked in an independent wrestling thing. 306 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,640 And I'm sure he was like the evil manager as well. 307 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,440 So I'm wondering, where did you work? 308 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,200 But also there, there was this, there was this woman that worked 309 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,160 there. You know, really when I say some 310 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,960 what I mean in terms of statue, you know, sight, you know, very 311 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,920 petite, very quiet, very mean. Turned out she was like a star 312 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,600 wrestler on this circuit as well. 313 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,680 So but yeah, I I was probably very similar. 314 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,560 I was school age. I think I was looking it up 315 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,720 early because there were so many eras, isn't there? 316 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,800 So I think I joined well, started watching it at the end 317 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,800 of what they called the golden era, so early 90s. 318 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,680 So basically Hulk Hogan, Macho Man and The Ultimate Warrior. 319 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,640 I remember being obsessed with The Ultimate Warrior as a kid so 320 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,480 much I remember having a a Commodore Amigo and buying AWWWF 321 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,400 game. You just had three wrestlers. 322 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,240 I think it was Hulk Hogan, The Ultimate Warrior, and I think 323 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,920 Brutus A Barber beat. No British bulldog? 324 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,119 British. Bulldog that you didn't know off 325 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,200 the top of your head, but you knew The Ultimate Warrior was 326 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,760 when I said it. Yeah, yeah, Just see these weird 327 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,760 digitised run out, you know, rope shake was incredible. 328 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,160 I think I then watched it pretty much to 2000s, early 2000s 329 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:24,160 'cause I moved out 2001 didn't have Sky then, which is where it 330 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,839 was predominantly on. So I think I fell out of it 331 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,160 around the mid 2000s. Yeah, I mean that that was kind 332 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,080 of like my era, like getting those wrestling games with is 333 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,840 it? Here Comes the Pain with The 334 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,200 Rock. That had The Rock on it, didn't 335 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,840 it? Just just bring it was the one 336 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:40,280 with the. Rock. 337 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,840 Oh sorry, the pain. I think had. 338 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,680 Brock, yeah, Brock Lesnar and those early WWE games, so I 339 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,440 remember, were brilliant. Loved them. 340 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:51,080 It's funny you say, when you fell out of it because you 341 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,000 didn't have Sky. So we did did have Sky. 342 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,720 We were very lucky to have Sky and we had one of them that you 343 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,760 could record it. So I used to record it and I 344 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,240 think I must have got into it when you were getting out of it 345 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,600 because when they brought it, we would record it live and then 346 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,040 watch it the next day. So yeah. 347 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,320 Yeah, it sounds. It sounds about right. 348 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,840 And you know, I've been to see a fair few things. 349 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:19,320 So I saw early on many years ago with my nephew, we went to when 350 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,680 a local one came to our town, bearing in mind that, you know, 351 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,040 our town isn't like, you know, it's not a Manchester or, or a 352 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,360 Birmingham or anything like that. 353 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,560 And so I remember they, they advertised in joke the snake 354 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,440 there. So that was like, Oh my God, 355 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,560 that's my childhood memory right there. 356 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:39,480 And this was I think pre his total rehabilitation. 357 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,960 So it was quite sad to see that. Yeah. 358 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,160 Have you ever watched the, I think it's called Beyond the Mat 359 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,160 is the documentary. And they don't talk about Jake 360 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,880 the Snake there, but they go really in depth in a lot of the 361 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,800 the wrestlers and a lot of them are really quite sad. 362 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:59,320 Well, I think there actually is a documentary on, I think 363 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,760 because is it Diamond Dallas Page who's doing like, I think 364 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,200 it does like a a rehab for wrestlers. 365 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,880 No, I don't. Know and I think there is a 366 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,680 documentary called the rehabilitation of Jake Snake and 367 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,920 it is an incredible story to watch. 368 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,680 But the thing that stuck out about that one was there was 369 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,560 this there was this women's match and there was a clear 370 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,360 heel. So I was trying to, you know, 371 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:24,560 sort of get in the mood and I was like booing her and she sort 372 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,400 of came up to me and just sort of like started shouting in my 373 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,800 face, you know, as the heel. And like when every other time 374 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,520 just creased up with laughter, you know, because he was he was 375 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,200 little kid. We we saw a raw show in London. 376 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,680 Then there was another one like an independent sort of event 377 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,960 came to again next town over. That was really cool to watch. 378 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,520 And that for me was when you know, and and you know, that 379 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,160 whole debate about, oh, it's not real. 380 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,760 Yeah, absolutely. Everybody knows it's not real. 381 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,800 But when you watch them, the ones who are really good at 382 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,240 their craft, it's, it's almost like it is, it is like a dance, 383 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,880 isn't it? It's like it's just incredible 384 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,760 when you see them in full flow. It is. 385 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,760 And and so there's a do you remember the wrestler Maven? 386 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,320 He might have been a so so Maven has a really good YouTube 387 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,840 channel where he gets loads of people like Devon Dudley was on 388 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,960 there quite a few times and he gets all of these these other 389 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,560 wrestlers on there and they actually really push back on the 390 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,800 it's not real thing because the bumps that they take are like 391 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,720 real. They say it's not. 392 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,000 It is real, but it is. Scripted, yeah you know, and to 393 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,680 to want to sound like a total fanboy, but it is and and and 394 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,240 this is the thing and we did see it me and my wife when we were 395 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,920 in Florida years ago. We saw AT and a show because 396 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,600 they they they let you in for free then where I'm at now. 397 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,640 Yeah, it's it's come back on Netflix. 398 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,160 I've watched Oh yeah, I've been watching Wrestlemanias. 399 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,040 So I started at one. I'm I think I'm on 34 now. 400 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,640 OK, nice. And that's important why I say 401 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,360 that for, for something we're doing after, and I've been 402 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:03,480 saying to you, haven't I, that I enjoy watching it because it's 403 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,840 something there's a link to kind of like my childhood. 404 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,680 And there is, I think you said it. 405 00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:11,520 They probably haven't been as good as they have been for a 406 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,880 long time in terms of their athleticism and what they're 407 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,880 doing. But there is something missing 408 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:22,240 and it is those absolutely out this world storylines. 409 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,120 Now there are some that should never see the light of day 410 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:28,000 again. And I'm not saying that, but now 411 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,120 all it is is wrestler A bumps into wrestler B at the 412 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:33,560 backstage. They threaten each other. 413 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,560 They stare at each other, you know, AA male, etcetera. 414 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,360 Or, or again with the women, they'll be a group of them and 415 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:41,960 they'll they'll just have a go at each other. 416 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,720 Then they wrestle in the ring. There's no like soap opera. 417 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,320 You said it, no soap opera storylines. 418 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,360 It's not as bonkers as it used to be. 419 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,240 And more so now, I think we've got to expect it now in this day 420 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,440 and age. But I was hoping with the 421 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,160 Netflix still they wouldn't have to but the the creeping in of 422 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,000 all the advertising now. Oh, yes, yeah, we've, we had 423 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,760 just had money in the bank and you pointed out to me that money 424 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,400 in the bank, the ladders are now sponsored and it's just, it 425 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,720 really put me off watching it. Well, I think the money in the 426 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,000 bank case has got Cash App, an ad for cash app on it. 427 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,920 The tables are now Slim Jim tables. 428 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,600 Well, it's not got to the point where the wrestlers say, well, 429 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,480 it did with the ladder. It's not like the guy's gone 430 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,080 through the Slim Jim table. But they did. 431 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,480 They did the. Commentators are doing it now, 432 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:30,360 yeah. Are they? 433 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,640 They did say these climbing the Fireball whiskey ladder. 434 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,160 You just think come. On I think the commentator is 435 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,520 now saying when somebody gets put through a table, it's snap 436 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,040 into a Slim Jim or something like that. 437 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,560 And then you add up all the advertising on the mat, which I 438 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,960 haven't got a problem with because you know, you see in 439 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,880 boxing. But it's just this whole. 440 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,080 It's like what's happened to my beautiful puppy, the. 441 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,360 Thing is, I think I think that takes away from is it doesn't 442 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:00,960 look like, and I know it never was because it's obviously they 443 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,240 have to have some level of control. 444 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,920 But before the stuff that they used to bring to the ring, the 445 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,160 weapons and stuff looked like they went to a Home Depot and 446 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,120 they just thought we'll have that, that, that, that and that. 447 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:15,360 And now it looks all very predetermined, which it 448 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:19,880 obviously is, but it's it's kind of really not going out of the 449 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,640 way to hide that it's predetermined now, so. 450 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,280 Yeah, and, and again, sorry, as you said, I don't necessarily 451 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,680 have an issue with that as long as they put on a good show, 452 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,120 which generally they do. Yeah, you know, and it is funny 453 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:36,360 to see because my wife, well, I won't say she watches it, but 454 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:37,840 she has to because I'm watching it. 455 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,200 And it is funny how you see over time. 456 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:45,080 So back in like the 80s, they were just huge, huge chunks of, 457 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,320 of, of human, right. Then it got like in the 458 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,440 attitude. They were big, but a lot more 459 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,240 defined. Weren't they like tone? 460 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,760 And now they are sort of one of the quote normal people. 461 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,520 They're not necessarily these mega monsters. 462 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,840 I mean, they're still pretty jacked. 463 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,040 Yeah, they're not. They're not. 464 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,320 Well, I think you can see now it's because Vince McMahon isn't 465 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,760 in control of it. And Vince McMahon had a real 466 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,400 like obsession with bodybuilders, which is why you 467 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,240 had people like Dave Batista, Triple H to an extent, Brock 468 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,080 Lesnar, these people who are just, like you said, slabs of 469 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,200 meat rather than humans. And I mean, I know that they 470 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,840 deny it to the hills, but you can see from that steroid 471 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,520 lawsuit that went against WWE, the body shape changed from 472 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,920 there. But now that it's Triple H and a 473 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,320 different team in charge of WWE that the body shape changed 474 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:38,640 again. And I think it is purely down to 475 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,840 the person in charge and what they like to see in the ring, 476 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,080 which I think is really interesting in itself. 477 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,720 Yeah, it's it is an evolution. And it's funny as well because I 478 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,840 said to you, my wife, she's not necessarily sitting there 479 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,760 watching it, but she'll be in the room and hearing it. 480 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,520 And the other day, like she was, she was out the room. 481 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,360 She was in, in one of the bedrooms and the Cody Rhodes 482 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,240 theme came on and she sang the whoa, be at the right time. 483 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,520 I could hear her from the hallway because she she you 484 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,080 know, she's going whoa. And, and the what was it? 485 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,120 The other funny thing was like we were watching, there's a new 486 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,520 programme on Apple, Jon Hamm. She thought that was CM Punk at 487 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,200 first. That's it. 488 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,640 Because I've been watching so much wrestling. 489 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,320 That's funny. That's really good. 490 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,720 Dan, I have to ask of the old and the new eras, who's your 491 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,720 favorite if you had to choose one from history and one now? 492 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,480 Right, let's do. I think if I was to do history, 493 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,480 it would either be would either be The Ultimate Warrior and you 494 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,680 know, whether he was a great, great wrestler or not, That's 495 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,240 the one I remember as a kid and just being fascinated with. 496 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,040 He'd be close between him or the Macho Man. 497 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,000 Now it's a weird one because I haven't, I've only really seen 498 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,880 him since I've I've got it back now, but I kind of like, and I 499 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,000 know you do as well, but I kind of like Don Mysterio. 500 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:57,680 Oh. Yeah. 501 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,120 But just how he loves the hate he kind of gets, he's embracing 502 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,320 that. So when I first got into 503 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,760 wrestling, when Tim and I went to see it, Dominic Mysterio was, 504 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,600 and it's the same kid. He's just grown up with it. 505 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:18,000 His whole life he was the centre of a feud between Rey Mysterio 506 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,480 and Eddie Guerrero of who who his real father is. 507 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:27,040 And it's so weird because he was genuinely like 7, probably 7 508 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,120 years old when we were watching it. 509 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:33,720 And they were like fighting over custody of a 7 year old, which 510 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,520 leads into the it's not as bonkers as it used to be, but to 511 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:43,960 now see him like in WWE as a champion and, and really good 512 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,680 is, is really cool to say. I feel like he's grown up with 513 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,120 the product and he's he's just encapsulates what's still good 514 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,200 about it. And it's great that he's 515 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,240 wrestling at the same time as his father as well, like father 516 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,240 and son. I mean, you, you mentioned Eddie 517 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,320 Guerrero. He was another 1. 518 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,680 I think he because he came much later. 519 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,960 You know, I I'm going back to my childhood, but Eddie Guerrero 520 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,960 was fantastic as well. Well, he, he's my all time 521 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,960 favorite, right? OK, I think because like I said, 522 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,640 the first ever time I watched it, I saw him do a frog splash 523 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,200 from the top of the cage and that kind of just sticks with 524 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,040 you. And, and I just used to love the 525 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,280 lie, cheat and steal. I used to love the comedy 526 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,200 element that he brought to it, but I also really like the 527 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:31,120 horror characters they had. So I mean, Kane was an obvious 528 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,440 1. He used to come out in a in a 529 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,440 bit of a like a wall of fire. They used to have a guy called 530 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,000 the Boogeyman, who I don't know if you. 531 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,960 Remember him? He was a weird, weird horror 532 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,560 character. I quite liked him but he just 533 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,960 used to eat worms on the top of the stage and smash the clock on 534 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,440 his head. I didn't really get it, but he 535 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,200 creeped me out. And then the other main horror 536 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,160 character is one that we're going to talk about today if you 537 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,080 want to introduce the concept of what we're doing. 538 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,880 And then I'll take you through the matches, so. 539 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,840 Before we do, before we do, there was something I did want 540 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,640 to ask you before we kind of went into that. 541 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,800 So you said that Eddie Guerrero, who's is there a current 542 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,640 favorite? If I had to choose one that he's 543 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,200 injured at the moment, but I really like Kevin Owens. 544 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,280 I think Kevin Owens is brilliant and it's because he's like a, 545 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,840 well, he's not like a normal bloke. 546 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,560 He's somebody very willingly going to be thrown off of a 15 547 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,400 foot table onto a ladder. But he he looks like a normal 548 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,840 bloke and he is, he's a bit like the reincarnation of Stone Cold 549 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,280 crossed with mankind, which I think is a little bit after my 550 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,720 time and when I started it. But they were like really 551 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,160 compelling and charismatic characters. 552 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,520 But I've always liked the heel, generally. 553 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,800 I always like the bad guy. They're more fun, aren't they? 554 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,640 More fun, but Randy Orton is always another good one. 555 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,520 I've always liked Randy Orton, but he's just a bit of a nut 556 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,280 job. So yeah, he's good. 557 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,400 One of the special mention for me because he's not some people 558 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,600 listen, he's not who who aren't familiar. 559 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,560 He's not a full time wrestler, but Shane McMahon. 560 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,040 Yeah. Just because he loves and this 561 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,320 is to go back to what you're saying that it is real in terms 562 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,160 of what they're doing. He for not being a regular 563 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,200 wrestler, used to he put himself through some crazy stuff, didn't 564 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,000 he? And just do you want to talk 565 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,360 about the? Ring just watched King of the 566 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,760 Ring 2002 the match with Kurt Angle. 567 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,000 He there's a spot in it where they're doing a belly to belly 568 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,440 suplex through a window and one of the ring crew that was meant 569 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,760 to set up Sugar glass messed up basically. 570 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,560 And they put real glass in there in in both of the windows he was 571 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,600 meant to go through. So Kurt Angle throws him against 572 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,400 this window and he just bounces off and lands on the concrete on 573 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,360 his head. And this is in that beyond the 574 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:58,320 mat documentary and Kurt Angle saying he's like totally 575 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,240 concussed. He needs to be dragged back to 576 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,760 the ring on on a, an equipment trolley because they can't move 577 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,520 him. But when he does it the first 578 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,560 time, he's like, Oh my God, are you OK? 579 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,480 And he just goes throw me again and he does it again and he 580 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,120 bounces off and he goes throw me again. 581 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,840 And he goes through the second time. 582 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,160 And the idea was that they threw him back the same way from 583 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,840 backstage to the front of the stage. 584 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,440 And he does it and he bounces off and he's just like throw me 585 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,040 again. And he just, he's absolutely 586 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,920 mad. But he just wants to put on a 587 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,080 really good show. And I have a little feeling that 588 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,720 it might be because of his quite warped relationship with his 589 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:44,240 dad, who ran the company. But, you know, I think Shane 590 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,320 McMahon was always interesting. I feel like when he was in the 591 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,600 ring, you always knew something big was going to happen. 592 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,680 My my memory and I saw it recently is WrestleMania 31, 593 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,040 maybe 30, but where he jumps off the top of the cell. 594 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,280 So what's that like 30 feet? Is he or something? 595 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,760 It's. Something like that, yeah. 596 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,040 Onto a table and. Have you seen the one? 597 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,000 There was a backlash, I think it was 2003 maybe. 598 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,640 And he climbs the set and he goes all the way up the top and 599 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,400 it must be like 40 foot high. And he just dives onto someone 600 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,880 onto on the tables below. And you just think you're, 601 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,320 you're taking years off your life doing that if it goes 602 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,440 wrong. As someone who's blown his back 603 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,960 out doing, I won't even call it gardening, who blew a disc? 604 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,000 No, I blew a disc doing not even gardening. 605 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,840 The line between injury and pulling the move off has got to 606 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,120 be so fine. But you know, I've got one more 607 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,200 thing to ask you before we go on to you. 608 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,560 You explain what you wanted to to do if you were a wrestler. 609 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,760 What would your name be and what would your finishing move be? 610 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:59,120 So whenever I used to play the the just Bring it and Smatner 611 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,480 versus Royal, I always used to make the same character and I 612 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,680 don't know why. I used to think it was really 613 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,520 cool to call him Nightshade. That was my my character at the 614 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:14,040 time I was going to do. Now I would be, I'd have to 615 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,200 think of something to come up with GCP, wouldn't I? 616 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,600 So I could advertise the podcast at the same time. 617 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,760 But let me think about that one. Dan, my finisher, I really like 618 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,520 a stunner. I like a stunner at the rock 619 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,760 bottom. But if you want something big 620 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,680 and flashy, Rob Van Dam's Five Star Frog splash. 621 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,960 Like the the height you get on that. 622 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,440 And if it was me, you'd be dead. So it would be that one. 623 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,200 OK, so the the GCP with with Rob Van Dam's. 624 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,640 Yeah, what about you though? I thought about this too much, 625 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,400 so I would be my wrestling name would be the couch potato. 626 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,640 OK. And my finishing move would be 627 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,040 the snack attack. And what that is, is, you know, 628 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,280 when they put like tacks on the canvas, you know, like the 629 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,400 thumbnails, I would open a bag of crisps, but it'd be like the 630 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,200 proper thick ridged ones like Mccoys, you know, because 631 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160 they're going to do the damage. And then I would sprinkle that 632 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,360 and then I would power bomb them onto the onto the Mccoys. 633 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,440 I like it. That's really good. 634 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,040 Yeah, so the snack attack, you see, I've I'm there, right? 635 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,280 So Joey, what did you want us to do tonight? 636 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,080 So I think when you listen to anything wrestling, they talk 637 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:36,640 about the the show or the PPV pay-per-view or a specific 638 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,840 character, but it's very rare that you hear like a focus on a 639 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:46,120 single match and storyline. So I thought it'd be fun to take 640 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:51,760 you through WrestleMania 36's Firefly Funhouse match. 641 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,520 Have you heard of this? Do you know what it is? 642 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,440 I think, I think I know what it is. 643 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,640 I think I've seen a clip, but I've never seen the event 644 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,160 itself. Great. 645 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,600 So it's really important to know that the 55 Funhouse match took 646 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,760 place during lockdown and during COVID where they couldn't have 647 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,360 fans in the stadium. So WrestleMania 36 was a really 648 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,560 weird one because it was performed to an empty room and 649 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:23,159 the Firefly Funhouse match was one of the very few pre recorded 650 00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:30,080 matches that WWE has done. And it was between The Fiend and 651 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,760 John Cena, who actually had a WrestleMania match. 652 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,600 I think it was six years before as Bray Wyatt versus John Cena. 653 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,120 So when I was talking about my favorite horror characters, The 654 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,440 Fiend is is one of them. You've seen the Fiend's mask, 655 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,840 haven't you? It's like it's a bit of a 656 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:56,040 hellish thing where it's like, it's a bit like Leatherface from 657 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,320 Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but the skin has been stretched back. 658 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,160 It's really quite grotesque to look at. 659 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,320 And he used to walk around with a hanging Lantern, which was an 660 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,040 homage to Bray Wyatt, his previous character. 661 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,080 But the Lantern used to be looked like it was Bray Wyatt's 662 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,880 severed head with a light in the inside. 663 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,480 It was in an in an era where wrestling was trying to be 664 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:26,880 really PG, I was amazed that the Fiend was was allowed on their 665 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,200 network. So the Fiend versus John Cena, 666 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,240 and it was meant to be like a bit of a deep dive into the 667 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:42,440 failures and fears of John Cena. But I'm not going to spoil too 668 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,160 much. We're going to watch the match 669 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,480 itself, but I am going to give you a little breakdown of who 670 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,520 the Fiend is. We all know who John Cena is. 671 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,720 He has been the face of WWE for like 15 years. 672 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,880 He is, everyone's still talking about it because of this big 673 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,960 heel term. But The Fiend is someone who we 674 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:05,040 won't ever see again because Bray Wyatt passed away a few 675 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,760 years ago. So his real name is Wyndham 676 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,120 Lawrence of Thunder, and he's wrestled under the name Husky 677 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:18,640 Harris, Bray Wire and The Fiend. And he debuted as The Fiend in 678 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:24,200 2019 on Raw. So he had quite a good run and 679 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:29,720 he held the Universal Championship twice, beating Seth 680 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:33,040 Rollins and Braun Strowman for those titles. 681 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,440 He came about with the idea that Bray Wyatt would still be a 682 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,960 character within WWE. So Bray Wyatt was really 683 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,600 inspired by Mankind and Mick Foley and Cactus Jack. 684 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,920 There was a Royal Rumble where Mick Foley came out three times. 685 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,080 If you've ever seen that, he appeared once as Dude Love, once 686 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,120 as Cactus Jack and once as Mankind. 687 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,680 And he really liked that kind of dual role within WWE. 688 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:06,560 So in a kind of Pee Wee Herman, Pee Wee's Funhouse style thing, 689 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,640 they made a thing called the Firefly Funhouse. 690 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,800 And they had all of these pre recorded bits where it was meant 691 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,960 to be a bit like it's addressed to kids. 692 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,440 And they had all these regular characters. 693 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,720 Like there was Sister Abigail who was like meant to be Bray 694 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:26,880 Wyatt's thing from his, his previous gimmick. 695 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,040 There's a pig like puppets, there's a pig. 696 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,600 There was all of these other characters and he used to talk 697 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,920 about them and they used to get darker and darker and darker as 698 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,880 they went. So it started off quite cutesy. 699 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:41,960 And then eventually they they they introduced the Fiend and 700 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,120 the Fiend was there as like the nightmare that they were all 701 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,560 scared of. And John Cena being the beacon 702 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,000 of light for the WWE and having all this previous with Bray 703 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,600 Wyatt, which I think was like semi serious Bray Wyatt always 704 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,720 felt that John Cena was holding back new talent from emerging 705 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,920 within the WWE because he had to be there. 706 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:10,360 So that fuelled quite a lot of a lot of the the realness between 707 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,520 John Cena and Bray Wyatt. So as as I said, this match is 708 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,560 pre recorded, I'll tell you more about it afterwards. 709 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,640 Stan, I really want to know what you think about it. 710 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,280 All right, And you will hear what I think about it and which 711 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,080 I thinks about it after this break. 712 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,680 Welcome to Chat Tsunami, A variety podcast that discusses 713 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,560 topics from gaming and films to anime in general interests. 714 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:35,720 Previously on Chat Tsunami, we've analyzed what makes a good 715 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,240 horror game, conducting a retrospective on Pierce 716 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:41,680 Brosnan's runs, James Bond, and listen to us take deep dives 717 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,960 into both the Sonic and Halo franchises. 718 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,640 Also, if you're an anime fan, but don't forget to check us out 719 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,440 on our sub series Chatsunani where we dive into the world of 720 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,240 anime. So far we've reviewed things 721 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:54,120 like Death Note, Princess Mononoke, and the hit Beyblade 722 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,080 series. If that sounds like your cup of 723 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,920 tea, then you can check us out on Spotify, iTunes and all big 724 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,600 podcast apps. As always, stay safe. 725 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:06,200 Stay awesome and most importantly, stay hydrated. 726 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,040 Right, so we are back and I literally don't know what I've 727 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,040 just seen. Do you do you want to set the 728 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,000 scene for what it was? Yeah, sure. 729 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,640 So 55 funhouse match, like I said, it was a pre recorded 730 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,440 match. There was originally a a live 731 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,240 match prepared with a story of what was going to happen. 732 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:29,760 I don't think they've said anywhere what what was going to 733 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,240 happen. But when locked down here and 734 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,560 they said no, no audience in attendance. 735 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:43,120 Bray Wyatt said, got on the phone, Vince McMahon, I want to, 736 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,680 I've come up with this idea and it's a deep dive into the 737 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,800 history of John Cena. And I want to expose his fears, 738 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,200 his failures. And Vince was a bit like, oh, 739 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:55,080 I'm not sure about this. And they got John on the phone, 740 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,360 said John Cena, we've got this idea. 741 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,880 And he said, that sounds wicked, let's give it a go. 742 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:06,400 And what you saw, Dan, was a step by step of all of the 743 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,320 things that John Cena was genuinely worried about in his 744 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,320 career in WWE. Played out at rest WW ES 745 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,480 headquarters in one of the warehouses where they keep all 746 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,840 of the old stuff. So you might have seen like the 747 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,040 classic Smackdown fist that used to be above all of the sides. 748 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,880 The classic cages that used to be in the old style before they 749 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,760 were like chicken wire. The Saturday night main event 750 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,760 banners that they used to play loads of WCW stuff. 751 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,640 But what it was was and what we'll kind of go through it in 752 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:45,120 just a second, John Cena's entrance and then inevitable 753 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:50,520 exit from WWE start to finish in a 15 minute package played out 754 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,360 in a semi comedic, semi horror way. 755 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,440 My question for you, Dan, is did you enjoy it? 756 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,480 I did. I did strangely because I say 757 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,840 strangely because there wasn't a match as such. 758 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,720 There was no very little to no wrestling. 759 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,880 And when I was watching that, I was thinking it's quite a bold 760 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,040 decision for them to have done because to have in this was in 761 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,040 WrestleMania, right? So in WrestleMania to have a 762 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:23,240 what, a 15 minute segment where there's no match and it's a it's 763 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:25,920 an extended promo. I guess it is like a soap opera 764 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,520 or or a mini film. Yeah, well, this this was the 765 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,560 penultimate match of WrestleMania 36. 766 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,640 This was done right before Drew McIntyre versus Brock Lesnar for 767 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,960 the WWE Championship, So it got really high billing. 768 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,920 There's a few things in there, like put depicting Vince McMahon 769 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,960 as a puppet devil and loads of stuff about. 770 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,440 So did you notice when Bray Wyatt was Eric Bischoff? 771 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,120 And did you, did you understand the connection there of why they 772 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:56,840 went to? I didn't. 773 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:57,840 Get that? No. 774 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,160 No, OK, so I'll explain it. Basically we'll go from the 775 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,440 start. John Cena goes to the 55 Fun 776 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,280 House, which I I explained is a bit like Pee Wee, Pee Wee's 777 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,480 Playhouse. And it's just a set with a door 778 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,800 that says abandoned Hope all ye who exit here. 779 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,200 Obviously a play on the old phrase. 780 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,640 John Cena goes through there and he's in a pitch black room with 781 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,280 this Vince McMahon puppet and he says have you got the ruthless 782 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,000 aggression? We need ruthless aggression, 783 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,560 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And John Cena's debut onto 784 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,320 mainline WWE was an open challenge from Kurt Angle where 785 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,400 he said what have you got to defeat me and John, the only 786 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,080 thing John Cena said was ruthless aggression. 787 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,160 And his character at that stage was really bland, really stale. 788 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,480 But he had this ruthless aggression thing that Vince 789 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,120 really wanted. They quickly realized that 790 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,240 ruthless aggression was not enough of a character thing for 791 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,960 John Cena. So he almost got fired because 792 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,400 he didn't have anything else that made him stand out, which 793 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,520 is why Bray Wyatt kept saying you nearly got fired. 794 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,000 Then we went to a very strange segment that looked like 795 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,000 Saturday. It was Saturday night's main 796 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,840 event and John Cena was just pumping weights really quickly. 797 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,560 And I said that. Was really weird. 798 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,600 It was really weird, but whilst John Cena was starting out on 799 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,760 WWE, he wanted to be a bodybuilder and he blew one of 800 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,840 his Peck muscles. And if you notice during that 801 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,920 segment when he's pumping the weights, he he injuries himself 802 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,040 so he drops him and he can't move his arm. 803 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,200 So he couldn't hear anyone, which was something that that 804 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,160 genuinely happened. So we've had a fear of being 805 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,680 fired from the thing he was working from because they showed 806 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,120 all of these clips of him as a kid holding up belts, a fear of 807 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,240 him failing as the bodybuilder because he failed in that 808 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,960 because he got the injury and couldn't carry on. 809 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,440 We then went to the doctor of Thugonomics where John Taylor 810 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,000 really hit it off and that came about because he was messing 811 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,640 about outside one of the tour buses and Stephanie McMahon 812 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,240 heard him and said we've got we like this is what you're 813 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:04,680 thinking being and it saved his career. 814 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,240 We had a bit of a speech and, and I don't know if you picked 815 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:14,560 up on it, John Cena basically delivered a a John Cena rap, 816 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,000 which isn't very good, but it was basically a verbal attack on 817 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,000 Bray Wyatt. And he gave this speech to 818 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,600 basically say you think you're clever, you're actually a bully. 819 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,520 All you do is take. And if you listen to John Cena's 820 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,160 turning heel speech, he takes elements of what Bray Wyatt said 821 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,080 and puts them into his turning heel speech. 822 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,960 So he's obviously still thinks about that, that kind of thing. 823 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,120 He fails as the rap artist because he can't beat him with 824 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,680 the words. So that's another fear of 825 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,120 failure because John Cena recorded a rap album. 826 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,720 It was not very good, but another failure of his. 827 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:59,280 We then go to WCW and Eric Bischoff, sorry, Bray Wyatt 828 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,480 playing Eric Bischoff. And, and the thing I really 829 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,320 liked about this is they took the old footage and they 830 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,320 recreated it with the choreography so that they cut it 831 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,800 between the actual footage and and the new footage. 832 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,920 And it was Eric Bischoff introducing Hulk Hogan on to 833 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,720 WCW, which was one of the biggest heel turns we've ever 834 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:23,560 seen on WWE or WWF at the time, because he was what Bray White 835 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,520 described as the golden goose was, was Hulk Hogan. 836 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,600 And then he goes to their biggest rivals. 837 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,480 He's got the NWO world heavyweight belt, which really 838 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,360 happened. And that was seen as fear of 839 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,920 turning heel and not wanting to tarnish his legacy the same way 840 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,520 that Hulk Hogan does now. Ironically, he's he's sort of 841 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,640 doesn't at any because it's good for what WWE needs. 842 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,160 But I thought it was a really, really clever piece in there. 843 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:57,120 We then talk about his match six years ago with Bray Wyatt where 844 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,000 Bray that it was it was a really you must have seen that in your 845 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,440 watch throughs of of Wrestlemanias because it was 846 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,440 WrestleMania of 30. It's a really good match And and 847 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:13,200 I think it's because Wyatt and Cena bounce off each other 848 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,720 really well, but he presents him with a chair and he's saying 849 00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,680 finish me, John, finish me. You can hear it over this really 850 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,280 loud crowd. Finish me, John. 851 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,600 And that's another thing we're Cena didn't do it. 852 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,960 He didn't want to turn heel. And this time you have all the 853 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,360 voices say finish me John, change your decision, make the 854 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,400 right choice and he swings the chair. 855 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,440 Bray Wyatt disappears so he doesn't have the chance to what 856 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:38,320 they say right that wrong. And that's when we get him 857 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:44,840 punching Bray Wyatt and all of John Cena's biggest losses 858 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,640 flashing up on the screen. So he's beating him up and he's 859 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,360 letting go like he's not letting go. 860 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,560 He's he's seeing all of these failures all at once. 861 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,560 And there was something about a fear that he destroyed one of 862 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,440 the upcoming biggest groups, which was the Nexus, which I 863 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,960 can't remember his name, the one who's on commentary now, the 864 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:05,800 British guy. Oh. 865 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,480 Wade Barrett. Wade Barrett. 866 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,680 Wade Barrett came to on the Nexus, CM Punk on the Nexus, and 867 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,440 John Cena had a feud with them and it basically ruined them. 868 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,160 Now the pig that he's punching was wearing a Nexus uniform. 869 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,800 And at the end of that, The Fiend appears. 870 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,520 He's kind of shown all of the terrible things that John does, 871 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,040 all his failures, and then he gets in with a mandible claw and 872 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,240 a Sister Abigail and pins him 123. 873 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,880 Now what I thought was really cool about that, in keeping with 874 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,760 the horror theme, the mandible claw was the way that he pinned 875 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,840 him. But it looked like a Hollywood 876 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,800 murder scene. It looked like the Fiend was a 877 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,080 killer killing John Cena off, and it played a clip of a promo 878 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,440 John Cena cut a few weeks ago. That said, I'm doing this match 879 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,080 to get rid of the most over hyped, overvalued, over 880 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,440 appreciated superstar in the WWE. 881 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:04,560 And when it said that it clicked and John Cena disappeared and 882 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:05,880 that was it. And it did. 883 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,640 The classic line of the Fiend let me in and it was meant to be 884 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,920 the big push of the fiend. Now, unfortunately, I think he 885 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:18,000 died not long after that match, but I just, I chose that match, 886 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,000 Dan, because it's mad and people. 887 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,120 So Vince McMahon loved it. John Cena describes it as one of 888 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,480 his favorite matches he's ever had because they basically went 889 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,480 to the warehouse and went, what can we do with this? 890 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,880 And he wrote all, they wrote all of it themselves, the two of 891 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,480 them. People hated this when it came 892 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,840 out, like they really hated it. You might have seen in the top 893 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,800 corner there was a #Firefly funhouse match. 894 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:47,120 It was trending over WWE, over WrestleMania 36 hashtags because 895 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,720 people really, really hated it. They thought it was stupid. 896 00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:52,760 But I think more has gone on in the more reflection and the more 897 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,800 analysis that people have put into it. 898 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,480 People see how clever that is. And the other pre recorded 899 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,880 matches that we've had that can only think of two off the top of 900 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,880 my head, and that's AJ Styles versus The Undertaker. 901 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,800 And Matt Hardy did one with someone that I can't remember, 902 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,280 but they were both wrestling matches. 903 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,600 So we've never had something like this before or since. 904 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,440 That is basically, like you said, a 15 minute promo in the 905 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,760 middle of the biggest pay-per-view of the year in the 906 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,920 penultimate spot. So like the headline act. 907 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,000 And I just thought it was really interesting. 908 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,840 I knew you hadn't watched it. The Fiend, I think is a really 909 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,720 interesting character because he's a villain and villains are 910 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,440 really fun and have really interesting motives. 911 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,040 And I really wanted to be there when you watched it. 912 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,880 And I was really glad watching your reaction because there was 913 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,640 a lot of laughing, there was a lot of shaking of the head, 914 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,160 there was a lot of confused faces. 915 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,120 But. There was a lot of silence when 916 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,120 I was just taking it in. I mean, it's interesting what 917 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:54,120 you say. I can see. 918 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,400 So I enjoyed it. I could see why people didn't 919 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,680 because it is very, very different, very out there. 920 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,760 I think it worked because it was during COVID. 921 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,920 So I think the first thing I said to you, it's odd to see no 922 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,720 crowd in that arena as well. And so I think that lends to it. 923 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,560 But I can imagine, I mean, I can't. 924 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,960 I don't know what the scenery was the wrestling scene was at 925 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,280 the time it happened. But I've said we've lost that 926 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:26,720 kind of theatrical element to the wrestling, so there's that. 927 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,640 Do you think as maybe some casual ones, do you think maybe 928 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,040 some of it was that they couldn't necessarily get the 929 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,400 references? Potentially, I think. 930 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,040 Because sorry. Because when you've explained 931 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,320 it, sorry, the way you've explained it, you know, it's 932 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,440 actually a very clever piece of television. 933 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,880 But yeah, was it appreciated because people didn't get it? 934 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,040 The, the way that I think wrestle WWE viewers peak are at 935 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,600 two places and that's the Royal Rumble in WrestleMania. 936 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,520 I think you get a lot of people who will not watch it any other 937 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,520 time watching these paper views live as well. 938 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,360 I think that you're, you're right. 939 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,600 I think it did take a bit of reflection to see how, how good 940 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,880 this was, but I just, I, I think people were maybe expecting a, a 941 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,720 wrestling match and that's not what what you got here. 942 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:23,760 Now, the The Fiend had other surreal matches that he did in 943 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,320 person. There's another WrestleMania 944 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:31,240 appearance where he fights Randy Orton and it's it's not very 945 00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:35,000 good at all because the way that he exposes his fears is things 946 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,880 like they project giant cockroaches onto the mat and 947 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,880 round the auto runs away scared from him. 948 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,800 But as someone on telly, you can see that he's obviously CGI and 949 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,760 someone in the arena would go, why is he looking like he's 950 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,200 really scared? But absolutely not. 951 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,960 I just, I think it really lent itself to what Bray Wyatt was 952 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,120 interested in and what John Cena wanted to do, which was 953 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,640 something different to what he'd been doing before. 954 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,280 And Bray Wyatt wanted to do something that was creative and 955 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,560 horror themed because that's what he really enjoyed. 956 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,720 And they just kind of let them have the reins with it. 957 00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:12,200 And it ended up with something that I think is probably my 958 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,560 favorite wrestling match of all time and wrestling matches in 959 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,280 big quotes there. Yeah, it is. 960 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,240 No, it is really good. Why they did it because you've 961 00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:24,160 got that real childlike program that like a primary school 962 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,640 program, you know, bright colours and over the top 963 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:31,160 theatrics to the kind of the the horror movie tropes like the 964 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,200 white noise sound almost like the cutting with the the film 965 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,200 images. It's very well done. 966 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,120 I mean, fair play to the two of them for doing it. 967 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,360 I mean, especially someone like John Cena for for wanting to do 968 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,920 that. It felt to me also watching it 969 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,000 like in the wrestling games, modern ones, like a showcase 970 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,680 mode, you know, So I felt that was very relatable. 971 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,240 But also, you know, watching that and as we said, it's, you 972 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:57,880 know, it's such a shame that he passed. 973 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:03,280 But for me, because I'd only known Bray Wyatt as Bray Wyatt, 974 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,840 how different he looked. Yeah. 975 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,560 And that just shows how good he was at the characters. 976 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,040 When, When he was like, clean, yeah. 977 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,720 Yeah, well, yeah, but it's also how good he was at that 978 00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:16,280 character because I've only seen him a few times, but he really 979 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,400 seemed to live that Bray Wyatt character. 980 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,880 But I think Bray Wyatt was what was good about old WWE. 981 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,760 Like when they did the entrance, people used to put their phones 982 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,840 on and they used to call it the Fireflies. 983 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,720 He used to call his followers the Fireflies. 984 00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:32,680 And their music would come on and the whole arena would look 985 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,440 amazing. And you saw the clips in that 986 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,360 where he was saying, like you said, John Cena, that you would 987 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,520 listen to the people. Why didn't you listen to them on 988 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,600 that day? And he used to get the crowd 989 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,040 singing. He's got the whole world in his 990 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,280 hands. And it's all these like creepy, 991 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:53,360 culty, like middle America. I don't want to say Deliverance 992 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,400 vibes because that's a different think entirely, but but it's 993 00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:03,000 that kind of fear of I don't know how you say rednecks PC 994 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,040 now, but you know what I mean? It's that kind of fear. 995 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,440 And it brought a real something really genuinely creepy, eerie 996 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,840 and scary to it. And I think when what the 997 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,960 problem is there is I think people see it as a gimmick and 998 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,800 gimmicks don't last in WWE unless they're like really good 999 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,520 gimmicks. So I don't know that we'll ever 1000 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,720 see someone as good at that at that again as Bray Wyatt. 1001 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,960 But I said to you during the recording there, if ever you 1002 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,400 want something fun for like half an hour, just search the Firefly 1003 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,920 Funhouse clips because there's compilations of them all on 1004 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,520 YouTube and they are brilliant. No, I will do. 1005 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,520 And I think and again, thank you for showing this way. 1006 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:52,000 I mean, what what I do wonder is had I been a viewer at the time 1007 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,360 watching it, what the reaction would have been as well. 1008 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,280 Because like I said to fair play to the two of them, fair play 1009 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,440 for WWE for doing it. I think also the issue is we 1010 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,200 subsequently, I don't think have seen anything like that again, 1011 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,400 have we? And you know, go back to 1012 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,480 whatever we were saying 40 minutes ago, this is what I 1013 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,080 miss. You know, I'm not necessarily 1014 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,000 saying it's got to be a 20 minute segment like that. 1015 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,600 And, and to, like you said, to put it in the the biggest 1016 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:24,160 pay-per-view of the year and, and how weirdly it just ended 1017 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,520 and they kind of just moved on to the the next match then it 1018 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,360 seemed. Like the next match was Drew 1019 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,720 McIntyre versus Brock Lesnar, so it's right back to the two giant 1020 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,960 slabs of meat smacking each other about. 1021 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,480 But you saw like the commentator at the end of it. 1022 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,520 I think we we both thought it was really funny when he popped 1023 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,240 in and he just stood there, lots of words and he was like, I 1024 00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:47,840 don't. Know how it was for the 1st 5 1025 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,480 minutes as well? Yeah. 1026 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,200 No, no, that's that's incredible. 1027 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,360 I think, like I said, I think maybe it's a bit nostalgia. 1028 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,120 I don't know. But like I said, I think I'm 1029 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,680 missing the storytelling element. 1030 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,520 I mean, could you imagine some of the modern ones now doing 1031 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,680 something like that? I can't. 1032 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,120 Maybe, like I said, maybe Kevin Owens, because they were, they 1033 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,400 were trying to do something with him and Sami Zayn doing 1034 00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,640 something a bit more when they like him going to the house, 1035 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,840 spying on him may be there. But yeah, I I think more of 1036 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,160 this. I want this. 1037 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,080 This is what I want. But you don't want it all to be 1038 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,080 this, you want to be interspersed with the the kind 1039 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,800 of more serious stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. 1040 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,680 Oh, that was that was interesting. 1041 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,240 Thank you for that. You're very welcome, I think 1042 00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:35,680 other people should suggest to you their favorite matches and 1043 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,880 the builder too and why they sticks to them so much, and you 1044 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,920 should make an entire series of this down. 1045 00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:45,320 Well, I do want to do as I said, I do want to do grappling views. 1046 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:46,840 Grappling views. OK. 1047 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,760 I think that's the name. Grappling views. 1048 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,200 Yeah. So if you're listening to this, 1049 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,080 yeah, do do sort of contact myself and Joey over social 1050 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,240 media. Let's know what you thought of 1051 00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:59,520 the Firefly Funhouse, right? That's right, yeah. 1052 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,240 And yeah, what your your favorite ones are. 1053 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:08,560 So, Joey, as always, thank you. My pleasure, my pleasure as 1054 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,760 always to have. It's not a long way anyway, 1055 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,760 because you're back next week. Before you go, do you just want 1056 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,400 to plug you and your friends again? 1057 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:22,480 Yeah, just search Game Club pods in any good podcast provider. 1058 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,400 We're on YouTube now as well, which has been a long time 1059 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,720 coming. But Spotify, good pods, Apple 1060 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,120 Podcasts, all the places that you get your podcasts, we are 1061 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,080 there. You can also find us on Twitch 1062 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,360 every Thursday playing different games and that's once again at 1063 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,480 Game Club Pod. But listen to Talking Smack 1064 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,320 because they also come out on a Wednesday with their two blokes 1065 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,160 and and I listen to them before I listen to us. 1066 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,160 And Josh is lovely. And Josh is lovely. 1067 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,240 Yeah, so go subscribe to Game Club Pod, go subscribe to 1068 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,840 Talking Smack, go subscribe to Gaming Views. 1069 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,040 Oh, and also before you go, I need to because I always keep 1070 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,280 forgetting, thank you as well for your thumbnail as you do for 1071 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,960 me as well. Because yeah, you'll see outside 1072 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,080 of the Mind Wipe and Dinner Party episodes, pretty much all 1073 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,360 the thumbnails you're going to have seen in the last few months 1074 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,200 anyway will have been all Joey. So thank you again for that. 1075 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,320 I've got more photos of you on my computer than I have anyone 1076 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,160 else stands, and that's once again my pleasure. 1077 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,360 That's not worrying, is it? I can't wait to see what you do 1078 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,240 for this one. So, yeah, stay tuned for that. 1079 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,320 All right, look, thank you very much. 1080 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,240 We'll see you next week for another episode of Casting 1081 00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:43,240 Views. If I want your opinion, I will 1082 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,400 give it to you.