1 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:16,800 Hello and welcome to another episode of Casting Views. 2 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,680 And I hesitated for a second because I was going to say an 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,600 unusual episode of Casting Views, and I'll get on to that 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,520 in a second. But first I want to introduce my 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,840 guests. So it's a return for Griffin 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,800 from the Reboot to Deboot podcast. 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,200 So hi Griffin, how are you doing? 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,360 Hey, how are you? I'm very good, pleased to have 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,440 you back on. I've had a number of comments 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,520 about your appearance on my show. 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,680 So you came on and did a mind work, didn't you? 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,080 Yes, for me. And firstly, it was the first 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,440 time we'd spoken and it was just such a, an entertaining chat. 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,560 And yeah, I'd had a number of people sort of come back to me 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,560 and say, yeah, kind of like the passion you were showing for 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,480 some of the things you were talking about really shone 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,520 through. So we, you know, or, or I've 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,080 been looking at wanting to get you back on. 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,120 So I'm going to get you on for a dinner party episode. 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,040 I want to get you on for some normal episodes. 21 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,000 And I'm also, I kind of hesitated because I'll let 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 people into a secret here. So you approached me, didn't 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,320 you, about the idea for this episode. 24 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,800 And I then agreed, but completely got the wrong end of 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,720 the stick. So so you wanted to talk about 26 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,080 Oasis, but almost grill me on my podcast. 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,920 But I thought it was going to be on your podcast. 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,360 And then like I said, I was I was driving home today and I was 29 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,960 thinking he's a movie podcast. Am I, am I sure I'm. 30 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,040 I'm appearing on this. So yeah. 31 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,360 Well, we'll go into that as well. 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,680 So you can you can explain the theory behind the episode. 33 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,440 But firstly, let's talk about you. 34 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,000 So how, how have things been for you since you you were last on 35 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,920 the show? Well. 1st, that mind wipe was 36 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,280 fantastic. I, I had a blast. 37 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,840 It was just great. And I had a few people actually 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,640 like reached out to, out to me through on Twitter and on Twitch 39 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,000 and they're just like, just listen to the mind wipe. 40 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,200 It was a really good and I'm like, hey, thank you. 41 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,000 But yeah, aside from that, though, things have been going 42 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,960 good. Just doing the streaming stuff, 43 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,520 keep growing, you know, building this little empire of art that 44 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,120 I'm teetering the top of. I have some other ideas going 45 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,880 forward for some future streams. So that's going to be fun. 46 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,400 I want to do like a paint stream, but I don't know how to 47 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,160 paint. So I figured that there's a, I'm 48 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,800 not sure if it's a rumor or how historically accurate it is, but 49 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,800 I remember hearing something about how Picasso in his later 50 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,320 years would carry around a revolver filled with paint 51 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,960 rounds and he would shoot people in the street and they would get 52 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,800 hit with like an explosion of paint. 53 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,840 And I'm like, man, Picasso is kind of a Dick. 54 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,520 But at the same time I'm like, what if I did that on a canvas? 55 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,080 Like what if I did that on a full size canvas at A at a 56 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,960 distance? So I'm toying around with this 57 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:02,000 idea and I want to do 12 paint canvases with all munitions and 58 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,640 then I want to donate them to an art gallery or something and 59 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:07,760 have it be 1 for each month. Literally performance art then. 60 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,600 Yeah, yeah, that would be, you know, cooking streams and stuff 61 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,040 like that. And then the podcast we've kind 62 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:20,800 of hit a slow point because Co host Alex, he is currently 63 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,640 vacationing with family. So he's like, we got to, we, 64 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:26,360 we're going to skip a couple of weeks because I, I got to go 65 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,760 here and then I have to go here and I'm like, take all the time 66 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,120 you need. It's really informal. 67 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,880 Anyway, so we're, we're kind of in a little bit of a hiatus, 68 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:34,280 right? Now and again, I'll put the 69 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,800 links in the show notes, but people can can still get more of 70 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,400 you from the books you've published, self published and 71 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,200 your Twitch stream, right? So keep keep eyes on that. 72 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,160 Yeah. And potentially what you're 73 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,200 going to create on these canvases. 74 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,880 So yeah, keep keep us updated on that. 75 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,600 Definitely. Yeah, you're going to be only 76 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,200 the second person I think that's ever turned the tables on me. 77 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,560 And I've always said that I'm always glad to be this side of 78 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,120 the microphone. But it's all come flooding back 79 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,560 to me that, yeah, you wanted to kind of turn the tables. 80 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,520 So talk to me about what your what your thought was for this 81 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:13,080 epic sake. So during my mind wipe, we came 82 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,320 across that you have a love for Oasis. 83 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,680 And, you know, I, I love music. It's one of my big like passions 84 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,400 that I really care about. And I love when I find out. 85 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,560 Like I love when I, when people talk about music they like too. 86 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,840 And you can tell the difference between someone who just, yeah, 87 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:36,480 I like music and someone who's like, no, I love this band. 88 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,080 And I'm like, that's what I'm talking about. 89 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,840 So when you were like, I saw your eyes kind of flicker a 90 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:44,000 little bit at the mention of Oasis, and then you're like, 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,960 yeah, they're my favorite band. And I'm like, it always amazes 92 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,040 me when because music is such an emotional and evocative thing 93 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,320 for people, it, you know, it transcends years and events and 94 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,440 it's always there and in some way favorite form. 95 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,720 So when someone has a favorite band, I'm always interested to 96 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,360 know, like, why are they your favorite band? 97 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,680 Have you ever seen them one of these albums mean to you? 98 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,240 Because also, anyone can listen to an album. 99 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,160 Anyone can listen to a band. But I found that with people who 100 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,000 who have like when they're talking about their favorite 101 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,360 band, they resonate to the music in a way that not most people 102 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,920 do. Like they have a, like they have 103 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,800 a, a special understanding of, oh, this one album has this one 104 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,800 lyric. And at this time, it meant the 105 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,600 world and world, this entire song and the way it was 106 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,920 constructed. And usually if you're a fan like 107 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,200 that, you also start doing research on how the album was 108 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,720 produced or where the band were at in their lives. 109 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,480 And you start to get these this understanding of what it took to 110 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,840 make this album that has a special play in your heart. 111 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,720 And I know Oasis have had some turmoil over the years 112 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,720 internally. So for you to be an Oasis fan, 113 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:52,360 I'm like, oh, this has got to be a gold mine of like musical 114 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:56,600 evolution and personal growth. Because also Oasis weren't just 115 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,680 writing throw away lyrics, you know? 116 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,480 And that's one of the things I will always be a defender of 117 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,600 them. And I'm sure we'll, we'll 118 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,440 discuss this. Their lyrics aren't necessarily, 119 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,520 you know, people will look down on their lyrics. 120 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,160 People will look down on the chords, you know, or the 121 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,120 simpleness. But I don't see what a problem 122 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,360 with that is. People keep saying, oh, that, 123 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,080 that all the songs sound the same. 124 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,800 But then you tell me how many bands really do reinvent 125 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,240 themselves for every album. And I I will always challenge 126 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,400 that their songs sound the same because they do do some very 127 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,440 different. There's always some comedy songs 128 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,880 as well as some sort of ballads, some love songs as well as what 129 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,200 they're they're known for. And you know, The Beatles 130 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,360 accusation, well, they've never shield away from that. 131 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,840 And again, show me, show me another band who hasn't got an 132 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:45,400 influence from someone in the past. 133 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,880 So yeah, I've got some thoughts on this as well. 134 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,360 But I mean, we found out about you in your previous appearance 135 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,680 set, you know, you've got a very British sort of streak to you as 136 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,160 well sort of through your upbringing. 137 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,920 So what about you with Oasis? Were they a band that featured 138 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,840 in your upbringing or or your? Your history, should I say. 139 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,080 So I I want to address the comment first about like the 140 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,280 same. Every song sounds the same or 141 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,760 it's the same chord progression. No one complained about ACDC. 142 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,800 No one complained about Status Quo. 143 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,440 So that there's that argument like didn't status Quo make an 144 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,080 album called searching for the 4th chord? 145 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:28,160 Like so I like it's if it works, keep doing it. 146 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,000 You know, if it if it ain't broke, don't fix it. 147 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,960 And there's some man's who can get away with that. 148 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,080 But I also think you can have your detractors with Oasis and a 149 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,960 lot of their music. But when you get to Noel 150 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,360 Gallagher as a songwriter, the conversation becomes a little 151 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,120 more serious. And I think when So when I was a 152 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,600 kid, I, you know, my mom was a huge music fan and I remember 153 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,480 definitely maybe. And what's the story Morning 154 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:59,640 Glory beyond being on a heavy rotation in the mid to late 90s? 155 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,320 I like very distinctly remember Don't Look back in Anger as like 156 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,200 a very formative song in that time along like same thing with 157 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:13,200 like Alice In Chains, 9 inch Nails, Primus mother Love bone. 158 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,720 Like it was just that thing and Oasis happened. 159 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,160 You know they were right there. So for me, if I talk about then 160 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,560 how I got introduced to them, so obviously being in England at 161 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,680 the time, it was right to start so for me. 162 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,080 Were you mad for it? Yeah. 163 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,760 Well, do you know, The funny thing is, if you knew me at that 164 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,080 time, that age, I was totally the opposite of being mad for 165 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,600 it, you know? So I was at school. 166 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:41,240 So what was their debut album? I think was 94, Right so. 167 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:48,600 So yes, definitely maybe hit shelves April 1994. 168 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:53,840 Yes. So I was 17, no April. 169 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,360 So I would have been sorry, 16. So I remember being in so at 170 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,800 school here in the UK. So you've got your kind of like 171 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,880 your upper schools. So that's well it was then, I 172 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,680 don't know what it is now, but it was between say the ages of 173 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:09,520 11 and 15. And then at that point you could 174 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:12,880 either stay on for a couple more years to do what we call A 175 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,320 levels or you could go to college, etcetera. 176 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,080 And so I stayed on at my school to do A levels. 177 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,720 And yeah, when this is a complete diversion. 178 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,160 But when you're doing A levels, you're kind of, and I'm doing 179 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,360 the quotes to you. But for everyone at home, you're 180 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,480 treated more as an adult, as they say. 181 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,040 And so you get, there's a, you get a room like a common room 182 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,080 where you can chill out between the classes, right between 183 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,200 lessons. I remember coming into into that 184 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,320 room one day and there was a again, for all the young ones 185 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,240 out there. We had a tape player, sure. 186 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,120 And a guy, a friend of mine, he had an album, he had a tape, So 187 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,440 a cassette tape. And I don't know if you remember 188 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,880 back in the day, the cassette tapes, you'd get the inlays and 189 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,160 you could, the bands would normally put like the lyrics or 190 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,120 photos and you'd fold it out and, and I said, Oh, what's 191 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,520 that? And he goes, oh, it's, it's a 192 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,800 band called Oasis. So I'll be honest, I it's not 193 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,120 like I was day one waiting for that album's release. 194 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,360 And I remember him playing it and I, I just got hooked 195 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,880 straight away on on that guitar, you know, that kind of that rock 196 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,120 sound and that at the time that rawness of the guitar. 197 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,160 Now, you know what I'll say is, and at some point next year I'm 198 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,840 actually going to do a month on Brit pop. 199 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,120 So I might get you on for that. Stone Roses, Blur, Oasis, like 200 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,800 it's that yeah, it's it because in the 90s, at the same time 201 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,400 America was going through a massive grunge movement. 202 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,080 England though, you guys had this wave of like, it's called 203 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,360 Britpop, but it, if you're unfamiliar with the term, it 204 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,680 isn't it's it's alternative music. 205 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:42,600 It's it's what you could comfortably call alternative 206 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,120 music. But there was a definite like 207 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:51,040 shoegazy great to it that was like, we're leaving the 80s 208 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,560 behind us and this is our 90s alternative scene. 209 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:59,240 And it was Blur, Stone Roses and Oasis, I think, definitely 210 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:00,880 spearheaded that movement further. 211 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:04,640 Yeah, I mean, I was big into the indie scene. 212 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,440 I loved all those bands. And as you said, yeah, Brit pop 213 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,160 is probably a bit of a misnomer of a description because it 214 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,840 wasn't often pop. It was like rock and as you 215 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,560 said, alternative. Now, what I would say is most of 216 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:22,120 the the bands at the time, the artists at the time were been 217 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,680 trying to work out today how to to call them. 218 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:28,080 But it was quite thoughtful music. 219 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,560 It was almost a lot of it like you had Blur, you had Suede, who 220 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:34,560 were quite their music was almost, I want to say like 221 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:36,360 cinematic, if if you know what I mean. 222 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,680 It was like very orchestral, very sweeping. 223 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,760 And then Blur came, Blur, Oasis came along and we're just, we 224 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,360 play the guitars and we sing loud and, and we're going to do 225 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:47,280 it. Well, do you know what I mean? 226 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,440 There's no pretence with them. There's no pretentiousness, even 227 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,880 though there was this swagger and this attitude, which, yeah, 228 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,960 we'll speak about. I think that's another thing 229 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,560 that I found refreshing about it because they did sound different 230 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,840 to, to the rationale. Some of these may mean something 231 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,360 to some people, but like, yeah, we had Elastica. 232 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:10,120 She had 7 menswear which she said were like that very 233 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,080 shoegazy for that, for that term. 234 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,800 Even Ash who who I love as well, kind of a bit more of the Rock, 235 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,280 but also a little bit the Ash dude. 236 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,160 There's light that never goes out. 237 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,920 Wasn't that ash? Well, the main album, yeah, 1977 238 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,440 sad like Kung Fu Girl from Mars, Angel Interceptor. 239 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,880 It was really the first album I was I was probably more more 240 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,400 into. But then also, you know, we had 241 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,760 the scene, the scene like, you know, it's not they won't be 242 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,080 cast under Britpop, but in the 90s. 243 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,000 Well, we had Prodigy, who I'm still a huge fan of as well. 244 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,120 Just like for me, I think where Prodigy was that rawness, that 245 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,760 sound that that does. And yeah, and I think Liam was a 246 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,680 genius in terms of his sampling. I just thought these two 247 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:57,200 brothers, they came along like I said, no, no airs, no pretence. 248 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,200 There's no where artists and this and that. 249 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,800 They just said no, we're going to we're going to play songs 250 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,280 that are going to Rock You. Do you know what I mean? 251 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,880 It it. It's interesting because that's 252 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,800 exactly what was happening here in the 90s, but with the grunge 253 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,400 movement, it like we had new wave, you know, we had Flock of 254 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,840 Seagulls and aha and then you had the hair metal, you had 255 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,920 Poison Rat a little like towards like 90s, you had Warrant with 256 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,360 Cherry Pie. And then out of nowhere, you get 257 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:27,440 Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Nirvana. 258 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:33,040 And they are so aesthetically different in their songs and 259 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,800 their songwriting and in their sound that it's we're leaving 260 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,200 behind the glam and glitter, we're leaving behind the fast 261 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,360 cars, we're leaving behind the women, we're leaving behind the 262 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,200 drugs. We're going to just talk about 263 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,560 alienation. We're going to talk about our 264 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,720 depression, and we're going to talk about what matters in our 265 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,920 shitty little apartments. And it would be interesting that 266 00:13:55,200 --> 00:14:00,760 to again across the pond, it was the same sentiment expressed in 267 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,960 two different ways. I think that's it. 268 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,000 I think, I think I was going to say a lot of the bands at the 269 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,040 time, and again, I don't mean this in too much of A derogatory 270 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,400 way, but were very pretty bands, if you know what I mean. 271 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,560 They, they, they were there and they, they were quite stylised. 272 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,200 As I said, they were just two boys from Manchester who wanted 273 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,160 to, to be the biggest singer. And that's the other thing, you 274 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,080 know, love it or loathe it, a lot of bands, you know, try to 275 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,760 be humble or try to be, I know what, you know, we're here for 276 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,240 the music. They just wanted to be the 277 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,280 biggest band in the world at the time, right? 278 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,240 And again, you know, I, I, I think you've got to respect that 279 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,960 because that they, they wanted to be the band that everyone 280 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,440 talks about, right? So Definitely maybe was recorded 281 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,120 February 1993. It was released August 29th, 282 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,840 1994. When you so the first time you 283 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,000 heard that album, you were doing your A levels. 284 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,960 You were 16. Do you remember what your 285 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,400 initial like? Did you go out and buy the tape 286 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,320 afterwards? Did you start asking around? 287 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:00,720 Did you borrow the tape from your friend? 288 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,160 Where did you go from that moment? 289 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:03,920 Did you listen to the entire tape there? 290 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,520 Yeah, I did and I bought the tape straight away. 291 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,000 This was back in again back in the day where, you know, you had 292 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,120 your High Street shops that did stock like the top 4050 albums 293 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,680 of the day and you had to, well, you had to have physical media. 294 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,720 So, yeah, I remember buying it and, and like I said, I kind of 295 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,120 was that person that poured over every detail on the inlay, you 296 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,080 know, opening it up, looking at the pictures and it's not the 297 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,160 most, you know, the, the the cover is them in that living 298 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,040 room, right? And it's not the most, it's a 299 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,640 very simple picture, but there's it's got those details that make 300 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:47,240 you keep wanting to look at it. It's also because, I mean, it's 301 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,600 the way Guy Ritchie made his first two movies. 302 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,040 It's very washed out and high lit. 303 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,440 If you look at the definitely, maybe it's the band in that 304 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,840 little living room Knowles laying down. 305 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,880 Or is it Liam, one of the brothers is laying down and the 306 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,240 whole thing is super washed out and it looks like a it looks 307 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,840 like the new phase of modern art, like it looks like 308 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,800 something Andy Warhol would have created. 309 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,280 You know, it has this very high concept with simple design 310 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,040 theory to it. And then if you watch again, 311 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,640 like Lock Stock and Two Smoke and Barrels or Snatch, Guy 312 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:28,200 Ritchie almost emulates that with his high washout movies, 313 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,760 you know? And again, I will say they're 314 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,080 simple covers even. We'll talk about what's the 315 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,320 story Morning Glory with the blurred picture of the two 316 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,920 people walking down the street and be here now, which has just 317 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,840 got a plethora of things going on, on that cover, right. 318 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,800 You know, the swimming pool, the bike, the car. 319 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,320 I think it's a rose, isn't it, in the in the swimming pool? 320 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,920 Yeah. It's again, they've got enough 321 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,200 just to keep the interest going. So they're not saying they're 322 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,560 artists or breaking that 4th or whatever, but they are just 323 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,360 giving you enough to draw your attention into it. 324 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,240 And as I said, I think it was just hearing that raw guitarness 325 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,720 because I, as I said, I was into the indie scene and it, you 326 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,640 know, it was guitar driven, but it was just like I said, the 327 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,280 just felt like it was amped up on definitely maybe it felt raw. 328 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,640 It felt dirty, almost like a dirty sound. 329 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,520 Do you have any favorite tracks from Definitely Maybe? 330 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,480 I will say here that it's definitely, definitely, maybe 331 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,960 it's definitely one. It's an album that I can listen 332 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,000 to first track to last track without skipping. 333 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,080 That's for me, that's a sign of a great album. 334 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,480 But for me it's it's Live Forever and Supersonic. 335 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,840 Those well Live Forever Supersonic and Slide Away I I 336 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,880 would say are my stand up ones. OK, it's all solid, all really 337 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,160 solid choices. And for a debut album, it is. 338 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,320 It's interesting trying to talk about definitely maybe an Oasis, 339 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,200 considering where they're at now and considering how everyone 340 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:03,800 like their, everyone considers Oasis, you know, But talking 341 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,040 about it as if the other albums and if the legacy wasn't 342 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,960 established, trying to go, oh, I mean, it's good for a first 343 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,920 album because they're just a little indie band and they were 344 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,880 able to do that. But yeah, they were just a 345 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,080 little indie band and they were able to do that. 346 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,440 Like it's quite an accomplishment. 347 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:24,360 And if you think the Net Worth gig came after just their second 348 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:27,920 album, the speed at which they achieved that fame and that that 349 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,960 level of success is to me what's phenomenal. 350 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,960 And again, you can't take that away from them. 351 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,600 There's that. It might. 352 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,200 Is it net worth where it's a concert footage? 353 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,880 I'm pretty sure it's got to be net with. 354 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:46,320 And Liam is there and he's like shaking cables and he's yelling 355 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,960 are you mad for it? Right into the camera and he's 356 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,960 got his John Lennon glasses on. I'm not sure if it's net worth, 357 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,600 it might be they did a few at like the Manchester before that 358 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,800 it could be there like. He's in like, like, like a 359 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,680 velvet or like suede purple or dark blue jacket. 360 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,640 And he just looks young and he looks so energetic, but he's 361 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:13,120 also just so above arrogant in that moment because he knows 362 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:15,920 that right now they're on top of the world, you know? 363 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,840 Yeah, and also one thing I will say especially about the early 364 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,800 days, because what what I'll say is for me, the first three 365 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,600 albums are Pico ASIS, right? And I remember kind of not 366 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,040 falling away, but the following albums and and then I think it 367 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,800 was standing on the Shoulder of Giants. 368 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,600 I really enjoyed that. Then I kind of thought it, you 369 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,760 know, life and stuff gets in the way and I remember at the time 370 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,360 thinking I didn't enjoy them as much. 371 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:47,080 But over the years I've realised that I think every album of 372 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:52,320 theirs I think is a great album but it nothing could replace you 373 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,200 know, and I say it the meteoric rise of, of the first two 374 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,680 albums, especially now. The other thing I will say about 375 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,200 them is, you know this was in a time as well where an album 376 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,360 would get released and a band would release usually 4 singles 377 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,080 and so you would buy the singles as well and the singles would 378 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,600 often have a couple of songs now. 379 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,720 Oasis were and released and yeah. 380 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,800 Yeah. Now Oasis were one of the bands 381 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,560 were often, and this sounds negative, but it's not the B 382 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,040 sides were often better than some of the songs that were on 383 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,280 the album. And it's incredible that they 384 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,640 would do that, they would keep those as B sides. 385 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,360 And it's usually, I mean, that comes down to like an A&R man 386 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,960 being like, I can't call on the album, it's going to make it too 387 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,600 long or try and save that and we can turn it into another hit 388 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,840 somewhere down the line. And then the album comes out and 389 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,760 then, OK, well, what are you going to do with these 5 tracks 390 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,360 that we have? Stick them on the single and put 391 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:46,400 a B side. Yeah, I mean, half the world 392 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,400 away was AB side, fade away was AB side. 393 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,400 The master plan was AB side. You know, these these are these 394 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,160 are probably songs that are in people's top 10 Oasis songs, 395 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,680 right? And and they and they were B 396 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,560 sides. Rocking chair for me, I think 397 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,320 was on roll with it. Again, one of my favorite songs 398 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,960 that is, was AB side. And it's like some people may 399 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,560 never have heard these songs if they just bought the album. 400 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,800 So again, it's like, I would say maybe not the confidence, but it 401 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,160 just shows the level of output they were doing at the time, 402 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,120 especially in the early days. How many songs that Noel 403 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:24,880 especially had in his head that he, you know, he, he was able to 404 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,480 get out and record like that? I, I think it was, I think it 405 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,880 was just phenomenal. So definitely, maybe it was 406 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,720 August 1994. Dan, where were you while we 407 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,640 were getting high because October 1995 would bring us 408 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,800 what's the story, Morning Glory. So did you ever see Oasis? 409 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,320 You weren't. You bought the tape you bought 410 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,960 Definitely Maybe. Did you ever see them on the 411 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,080 Definitely Maybe Tour at all? No, no. 412 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,320 So, but I wasn't net worth 96, which we'll obviously come on 413 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,480 to, but there's between definitely maybe and what's 414 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,440 story morning glory. There is something else that I 415 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,320 need to say there. So so I turned 18 in 95, OK. 416 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,600 And me and my family went to Italy. 417 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,960 Now normally because my family are Italian and we would 418 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,120 normally go to our family over there. 419 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:16,160 But this year or that year, sorry, we went to another place. 420 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,480 We said instead of going to see family, we're going to go to we 421 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,360 went to Sorrento. We did a week there. 422 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,760 And while I was in there, while I was there in the hotel, I've 423 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,320 made friends with some other British teens that were there at 424 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,120 the time. Sure, I had my Oasis tape with 425 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:32,160 me because you know, we all had our Walkmans back then and I was 426 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,080 listening to it and I remember we went to a, a bar one night 427 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,080 and I'll never get it because it was, it was called Chaplains 428 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:40,760 even though it was in Italy, it was called Chaplains Pub. 429 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,800 I, I was sitting with my back to the bar. 430 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,520 There was three of us and there was 3 opposite. 431 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,720 And one of them says to me, oh, do you like Oasis? 432 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,600 I said, well, let me tell you this, you know, I said, when we 433 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,520 get back to Total, I'll give you the album. 434 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,920 And he and I said, why? And he goes, because the guy 435 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,160 behind us, on the table behind us looks like Noel from Oasis. 436 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,280 So I thought, oh, I was expected to turn around, see somebody 437 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,160 that looked nothing like him, right, Turned round. 438 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,840 I thought, bloody hell, that's him. 439 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,640 That's Noel. And they were saying no it can't 440 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,280 be, why would it be you? And I said no, it's no. 441 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,600 And then there was like 6 of us 18 year old Brits, you know, 442 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,040 sort of pointing and giggling at him and sort of like that. 443 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,360 And I then started feeling a bit uncomfortable because he's there 444 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:26,560 with his girlfriend at the time having a drink and we all finish 445 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,400 ours and they get up to go. And I said I can't leave without 446 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,960 knowing that him or not. And The thing is, right. 447 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,160 The other thing to know about me is, you know, at the time I 448 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,760 liked talking to people, but I was actually quite as shy. 449 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,640 I was quite an introvert at the time. 450 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,440 And so I said, right, I'm going over. 451 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,200 So I went to go over. I turned around and the other 452 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,360 people, they'd all run out. They were too embarrassed that 453 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,320 they'd left me alone in there, right? 454 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,400 So I went up to him and I said, look, I said, look, I'm really 455 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,440 sorry. I know we've been pointing and 456 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,400 and pretended to take pictures of ourselves, you know, because 457 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,320 these were again, in the day before the smartphone, right? 458 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,400 So we like cameras taking pictures. 459 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,000 You had the wheat and shoot plastic like wooden camera, 460 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,040 Yeah. Yeah. 461 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,200 And what we were trying to do was pretend to take a photo of 462 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,840 one of us, but at the last second quickly turn it right, 463 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,080 which meant all the photos were ruined, right. 464 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,600 But that's that's another thing. And also like the flash too, 465 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,800 that is. Really. 466 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,280 So I said to her, I, I went over and I said, look, I'm really 467 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,880 sorry, but no, right. And he sort of smiled and 468 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,560 laughed and, and look, the reason I also knew it was him 469 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,560 because his girlfriend at the time, because as it is now, even 470 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,360 back then, husbands, wives, girlfriends, boyfriends were 471 00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:41,240 just as big news as the the celebrity, right? 472 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,120 And I recognised her and I said, look, I said, I just want to say 473 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:48,680 look, obviously huge fan. And he goes, do you want a 474 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,760 picture? And I said, yeah, all right, So 475 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,520 I saw his, his girlfriend moved and I said, yeah, all right, do 476 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,160 you mind moving sort of thing something how rude. 477 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,400 So he said, no, do you want to do you have a picture? 478 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,840 And and so I finished, I I sat between him. 479 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,920 The other people then saw this. They came running back in. 480 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,800 And yeah, so I, I can say I had a drink with Noel because I'd, 481 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,720 I'd finished the drink. And to this day though, right, I 482 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,920 only had one picture that came out and I can't find it for the 483 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,040 life meal. I can't find it. 484 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,360 I know I should have framed it, but I've moved houses a number 485 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,720 of times. I've got his autograph because I 486 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,800 did have weirdly again, because back in the day you didn't have 487 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,280 a smartphone, so phone numbers and stuff like that, you were 488 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,000 either little or something. I had a. 489 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,560 Phone book, Yeah, I had a little phone book. 490 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,800 Like I got him to sign that and so I've still got that. 491 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:44,600 You encountered Noel like 94 to 90? 492 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,760 That is an awesome encounter. And you know, because he was 493 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,320 saying, I said, oh, look, what's what's next? 494 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,760 What's next? And he said, oh, the album's 495 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,160 coming out in a few months time. And yeah, it's just that will 496 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,080 always be something. Obviously, I'll, I'll, I'll 497 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,280 remember because it was just such a chance, chance happening. 498 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,360 And and like, that is him. That is him. 499 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:03,920 And then they all ran out and left me. 500 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,120 They left you, but, you know, I mean, it worked out, right? 501 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,800 Yeah. Like they left you. 502 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,760 And as you were walking out, they were like, and you're like, 503 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,200 yeah, have a drink. He's a nice guy. 504 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:17,200 Something's coming out like. But but yes. 505 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,840 So now it's always a when when we do Ice Breakers. 506 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,240 Yeah. I've had to drink with No Yeah, 507 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,200 yeah, yeah. No, I like the first name and 508 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,800 implication. Yeah, yeah. 509 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,600 Me and all that was Sorento 95 and it's fine. 510 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,000 So back to your question. So this is a thing now. 511 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,480 So buying these albums as well, then is and and again, pun not 512 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,280 intended, but is is a bit of a blur. 513 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,120 And I think it would have been CDs then definitely maybe was 514 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,040 definitely accept. But then from then on, it was it 515 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,080 was CDs. The era of the CD had more or 516 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,960 less killed tapes. Yeah, and for me, what's the 517 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,560 story? Morning Glory then just proper 518 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,840 amped up or really cemented the fact that yeah, we, this is our 519 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,480 sound. And whether it's a better album 520 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,600 than the first or not, you can debate because I think the first 521 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,080 album has got that roar of sound. 522 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,160 This is much more slick, much more produced album I think. 523 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:16,440 I mean, and yeah, like champagne supernova in all of its like 7 524 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,840 1/2 minutes of glory. And I know every like if you say 525 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,120 Oasis, the first thing people think of I know is Wonderwall 526 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,720 also on what's the sorting? And you don't look back in anger 527 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,920 and the swamp song or like I I I get it. 528 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,880 No, like you have, you have the capability. 529 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,440 So when, when, what's the story came out, I'm assuming right now 530 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,920 you would listen to definitely maybe down to the bones and you 531 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,640 had to buy a new copy because the older 1 was just destroyed 532 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,800 for how much you listen to it. So when what's the story comes 533 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,480 out? What were you hoping for? 534 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,240 Were you hoping for more of the same? 535 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,480 Were you like, did you hear it first on the radio or were you 536 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,880 like day one in a store buying it, racing home to put it on? 537 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,600 And where were you at in your life when What's the story came 538 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,520 out? So what's the story was? 539 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,320 What do we say? It was 95, wasn't it so. 540 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,320 October 2nd, 1995. October 2nd, 95 S then I would 541 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,640 have just turned 18. Yeah, I probably at that point 542 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,360 finished yeah, I would have finished school and went to my 543 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,240 two years at college then were probably two of the best years 544 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,280 of my, I would say my youth, because school is one of those 545 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,040 things you just have to get through right. 546 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,280 Whereas college then it's a different atmosphere, it's far 547 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,840 more relaxed and you can pick and choose who you who you kind 548 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,800 of talk to as it were. But but obviously music is one 549 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,560 of those things that you're you're constantly talking about. 550 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,320 And I just remember falling in with a group of people that were 551 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,200 very similar tastes as well, but it was still even them probably 552 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,920 or my friends were probably a bit more American biased. 553 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,720 So you know, they were more into the the rock like The Smashing 554 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,400 Pumpkins, etcetera. The alternate alternative seems 555 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,840 like Jans. Addiction Smashing Pumpkins. 556 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,000 Yeah. And even for me, I mean, Nirvana 557 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,120 obviously still was, you know, loomed big at the time as well 558 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,120 in terms of their legacy. But yeah, I remember being at 559 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,520 college being a bit more sort of outgoing at the time. 560 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,280 But in terms of what I wanted, yeah, I think at the time I 561 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,200 wanted more of the same. But I was quite pleased to hear 562 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,160 that they had evolved a little bit like in the sense of like, 563 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,160 like I said, Champagne Supernova I think for me is probably the 564 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,960 best track on that just because it is that really trippy 7 565 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,960 minute, you know, just lie down, lie back and just close your 566 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,440 eyes and just hear that. And, and I Remember Me, me and a 567 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,720 friend, we would go to the pub on a Thursday night, whatever it 568 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,280 was, probably because it was a cheap night. 569 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,280 Then we'd stick a, we'd stick a couple of quid in the jukebox, 570 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,960 we'd stick a couple of kids in the jukebox and we would always 571 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,520 pick the longest songs to get the most money. 572 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,320 Yeah. And champagne supernova. 573 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,920 Was always on there as well because it's 7 1/2 minutes long, 574 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,440 right? But you know, even that, like I 575 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,920 remember my wife at the time I've, I've kind of turned her 576 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,880 into a massive Oasis fan. But Champagne Supernova was that 577 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,280 sort of song that she liked as well. 578 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,200 Because it's just that layer and layer and of that, that music 579 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,000 just kind of washes over you, doesn't it? 580 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,240 And it just kind of hypnotizes you. 581 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,440 It's also deceptive. Because when you first hear to 582 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,920 the like, if you've never heard Champion Supernova, the first 583 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,600 time you listen to it, you're going to think, oh, this is such 584 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,440 a pretty beautiful song. The composition is night. 585 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,560 It's like a nice sweet little ballad. 586 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,880 But then if you really get into the lyrics, it's really 587 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,960 depressing, like. It really. 588 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,600 Is a goodbye to youth. It really is. 589 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,120 Like it's almost a remembrance for the times that we had it. 590 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,800 It's almost like Stand by Me or American Graffiti. 591 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,880 Like you can't go back and the entire thing is draped in drug 592 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,960 use and excess but like the depression that it causes or 593 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,520 like the friends that you lose away because of that lifestyle 594 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,280 and coupled within how like pretty the song sounds, you have 595 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,560 this beautiful melody for like this is one of the most tragic 596 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,200 and beautiful pieces of music that was created. 597 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:19,520 It's also strange for like a Brit pop band or like an indie 598 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,400 band to come out with a 7 minute juggernaut of a song like that. 599 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,400 That's something from the, you know, like Zeppelin would do a 7 600 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,920 minute song. Queen would do a 7 minute song, 601 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,840 Hocus Pocus, Jethro Tull. You don't have a band in the 90s 602 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,520 doing like some prog rock juggernaut that just doesn't 603 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,520 seem to end. And out of nowhere Oasis. 604 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,840 No was like, no, I'm I, we're going to. 605 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,400 I had a second. Their second album. 606 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,720 Right. Yeah, their second album to have 607 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:48,640 the. As you know as. 608 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,880 As I say, to have the balls to do that and it be probably, like 609 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,280 I said, my favorite song on that. 610 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,720 I mean, obviously at the time Wonderwall, I'm not going to 611 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,000 lie, yeah, I loved it and Don't Look Back in Anger, obviously 612 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,880 great song. But for me, I think it's they 613 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,720 they they were just overplayed and they have been overplayed. 614 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,280 So that's why I'm not going to say I don't like them, but if 615 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,320 you're asking me my my top songs, often they won't feature 616 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,520 just because, yeah, they're they're just so overplayed. 617 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,040 It's also too easy to. Pick them like what? 618 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,440 What? What's the greatest song of all 619 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,200 time? Bohemian Rhapsody, Stairway to 620 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,120 Heaven. Like yes, we are, we are 621 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,400 comfortable picking these songs and no one will debate them. 622 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,160 But let's look further, you know, like let's get away from 623 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,680 we we know they're classics. They've earned their place. 624 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,040 No one can ever debate that. But there, there's more room 625 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,040 than just what we have, you know, like every. 626 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,960 Like it's easy to make the joke about Wonderwall now, you know, 627 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,960 Oh, my girlfriend asked me to stop playing Wonderwall. 628 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,000 I said maybe like, you know, that you can make these jokes 629 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,520 all day long, but to actually listen to these albums and to 630 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,040 hear the composition of them and think, OK, if you think it's so 631 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,840 easy to make something like Wonderwall, you do it. 632 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,600 Yeah, Yeah. If. 633 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,960 You think and. Then do it and do that six more 634 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,680 times on an album. Yes. 635 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,200 Yeah, like. Yeah, that's all I said. 636 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,680 I would always, always think fondly of them, but those songs, 637 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,880 but yeah, as you said, may be too easy now. 638 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,240 I mean, you know, again, looking at the the track list, for me, 639 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,240 it's it's it's definitely Champagne Supernova. 640 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,320 I mean, she's electric. He's one of the ones, like I 641 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,080 said to you, he's one of those fun songs. 642 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,600 Sure. You know, it's just that 643 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,040 different kind of melody. But also, some might say, I 644 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,400 think it's a great song, but you know. 645 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,960 Obviously this. Album. 646 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,920 The main talking point around it was roll with it. 647 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,800 So you know the battle that I had with Blair? 648 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,840 So right, Did that make it? Over to to. 649 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,480 The States. Partially, but so I'm a little 650 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:53,280 younger so I don't remember much of the time then like I was born 651 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:58,760 in 87, so come 97 I'm 10 right? So this is, I'm like 8 or 9. 652 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,880 So I'm remembering hearing these bands and these albums and these 653 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,920 CDs from my mom or her coworkers. 654 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,520 Looking back as I got older, I remember people talking about 655 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:15,320 Oasis first Blur or you know, and I, I dig some digging at the 656 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,920 time and I'm like, it didn't really, it was that was 657 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,920 definitely more of a British rivalry. 658 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,600 It didn't ever really come out like that argument never crossed 659 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,520 over into the Americas. I'm sure in the fan communities 660 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,639 it did. I'm sure you had people here who 661 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,239 were like, well, they're blurred. 662 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,440 But the overall media, I don't think it was ever a fight 663 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,920 because I think that outside of Psalm 2, America had always 664 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,960 written Blur off. I don't think that they ever got 665 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,920 the proper respect as musicians and a band as they did like they 666 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,639 deserved. I think it was purely Oasis. 667 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,600 And every time a hit would come out from Oasis, they always took 668 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,639 the British air out of the room. And the rest was like, here are 669 00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,239 the five Seattle, like here are the five grunge bands and then 670 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,440 Oasis and then here's Smashing Pumpkins and then Oasis. 671 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,440 And you know, that's what that's what the tone was. 672 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,680 See now. I think the first couple of Blur 673 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,120 albums were great, but I was never. 674 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,400 I wasn't necessarily a Blur fan, but I like the music. 675 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,880 Yeah, but, but I like the music. You know, I'm not one of these. 676 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,880 Oh yeah, I can't listen to that. You know, I appreciate some of 677 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,920 their really early stuff and some of their later stuff, you 678 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,640 know, like this is a low Beatle bum, you know, song too as well. 679 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,200 You can't deny that's a great song. 680 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,200 But yeah, a quick recap. So Blur were four albums in at 681 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,120 the time and obviously it was Oasis 2nd and Oasis obviously 682 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,320 were giving it all that the the Gallagher brothers were giving 683 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,840 it all that saying they're better than Blur. 684 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,160 So I think it. Was August. 685 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,480 I could be wrong. But I think it was roughly 686 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,640 August Oasis, we're going to release roll with it as a 687 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,000 single. So Blur moved their single 688 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,840 country house to release the same day, the same week. 689 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,280 So it was then obviously the press get hold of it and it's a 690 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,200 battle of Brit pop and Blur won that. 691 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,600 Now, if I'm going to be, you know, defend Oasis, I think if I 692 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,000 remember right, Blur had more variations of the CD so fans had 693 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,200 more reason to buy multiple instances of the song. 694 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,640 But I'm not getting petty here. The wounds have healed. 695 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,160 The crazy. The crazy thing is right. 696 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,400 I mean, Roll With It is a good song. 697 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,800 It's not a great song. But again, what I was saying to 698 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,480 you earlier, So the B side on Roll With It was rocking chair. 699 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,960 And for me, that's one of the best songs. 700 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,920 If that had been the A side, I think you might have seen a 701 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,320 different. It's a different result. 702 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,600 You know, for me, again, it's incredible that I'm. 703 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,840 I'm sitting here saying that, you know, people should have 704 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,480 bought that for the B side rather than the A side. 705 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,560 Yeah, like I. Remember my mom having blurs 706 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,440 like again, I like I remember the tapes. 707 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,200 I remember this the first two blur album like tape cassettes. 708 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,760 I remember those both because she had them in her collection 709 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,800 and I remember she had like 3 or 4 Oasis albums. 710 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,600 But the the argument of like Blur and Oasis has always been 711 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,360 funny to me because I I I can't ever looking. 712 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,000 Back now it seems. So funny. 713 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,960 And do you remember that Father Ted episode where they made that 714 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,120 joke too? Oh no, you know, I never watched 715 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,680 that. Show they're they make a 716 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,880 reference to it in. Father Ted, when they have that 717 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,680 whole argument of you know who do you prefer Oasis or blur and 718 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,000 someone responds incorrectly, quote UN quote again. 719 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,360 They were two totally different bands. 720 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,400 I think Blur were more the. As I was trying to say at the 721 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,240 start, they were more the Artie kind of band, if you know what I 722 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:38,720 mean. They I think they tried to do a 723 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,760 lot more with their videos. They they were trying to do be a 724 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,920 lot more clever. But you know, they were 725 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,560 different bands. And I think the thing I didn't 726 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,960 like though at the time with that that album, so part life 727 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,840 and country house. I think it was that mock cockney 728 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,640 kind of sure thing, and I think that turned me off a little bit 729 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,560 against that particular album. But again, you know, Part Life 730 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,840 is a great album. I mean one of like. 731 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,280 To talk about, like, artistic And one of the members of Blur 732 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,560 became the gorillas. Yeah, Damon. 733 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,400 Alban Yeah, yeah, Damon yeah. So like. 734 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,680 If you listen to Blur and then you listen to the gorillas, it 735 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,000 makes a whole lot of sense to cause like the quirkiness is 736 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,200 there, the humor is there, the musicianship is very high. 737 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,800 But also it's almost like tongue in cheek, which is kind of what 738 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,680 Blur. I feel like Blur have this layer 739 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,560 of tongue in cheek throughout their music, even all these are. 740 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,400 Serious stuff, yeah. I just. 741 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,960 Found it was funny that that's who they were pit against 742 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:43,960 really. But Blur? 743 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,920 I'm well I was almost said unfortunately and now I'm going 744 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,480 to alienate a whole fan base. But no, Blur won the battle of 745 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,720 Britpop at that time. OK, don't let Noel. 746 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,280 Hear that he'll or Liam? I guess. 747 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:03,840 So 1997, August 21st Be Here Now Oasis have achieved like the top 748 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,920 of the mountain with the first two albums behind them. 749 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,680 Be Here Now comes out the album artwork. 750 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,000 It still fits in the theme of what? 751 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,000 How were you leading up to this? Were you were you like excited 752 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,280 for another Oasis of them? Had you seen them yet? 753 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,920 Like did you? Where were you at? 754 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,880 I was really hyped for this one. So the year before was 755 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,560 Knebworth, right? So 96 and Knebworth was 96. 756 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:33,720 And I haven't been to many gigs, but I went to that and I will 757 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:38,120 forever, forever hold that as one of my favorite memories. 758 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,520 Now. I almost didn't go because no 759 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,040 one in in my media sort of vicinity particularly liked 760 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:50,040 Oasis right now. I had a friend then, somebody I 761 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,800 didn't know at school, you know, who I hadn't seen for a couple 762 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:53,960 of years. But we kept in touch. 763 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,400 He was now the the weird thing. He was a budding DJ and he was, 764 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,680 he liked the techno and the rave and the dance, but he wanted to 765 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,720 go because he knew it was going to be. 766 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,760 One of those events right now, it's being touted one of the 767 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,560 biggest things. So if I remember, it was 125,000 768 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,400 people for two nights, so 1/4 of a million people, right? 769 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,240 And for people who don't know Nebwith. 770 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,160 Is a massive, massive stadium well, it's just an open air 771 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,920 it's. It's basically an open, yeah, 772 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,920 it's not a stadium, it's an open field. 773 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,480 It's so there's a stately home there and it's just land. 774 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,960 It's just owned by the sky. And they did do concerts before, 775 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,440 like I think Queen have played there subsequently Robbie 776 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,320 Williams has played there, but it is no, it no, it's just a a 777 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,080 massive open area of lands. And it was near where he used to 778 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,120 live as well. Now it's it's well, I'll say 779 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,480 it's down the road from me. It's about a 20 minute drive 780 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,560 from where I live. So again, it was local, right. 781 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,680 And we'll come round to this at some point because obviously 782 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:55,680 Oasis of they've announced the tour just recently, haven't 783 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,960 they? There's, I think they're, 784 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,720 they're doing a couple of gigs, small gigs somewhere, yeah, 785 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,040 secret shows and pubs. Yeah, which if? 786 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,240 Anyone's got tickets and can let me have them? 787 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:08,920 Please, please get in touch. So he wanted to go, but back in 788 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,120 the day, then again it was being on the phone. 789 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,120 You do know if there was no Ticketmaster, there was no 790 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,280 Internet, that it was either local record shops which had a 791 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,360 selection or on the phone. So I remember he and I both on 792 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,480 the phone and again, because you know, we had mobiles and we 793 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,080 could text each other but we couldn't let each other know. 794 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,000 So we were just constantly ringing and what was said is the 795 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,120 minute someone could get tickets, just let the other one 796 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,160 know. And I think I got through and 797 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,080 got 2 tickets for the Sunday and that was it then. 798 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,080 And This is why, again, Oasis will kind of be special to me 799 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,080 because I'll never forget that morning being driven to my 800 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,880 mate's house because he did live near to Nebworth. 801 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,520 And yeah, my dad and my uncle, because they were going to go 802 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,840 somewhere else, visit family, but they were taking me. 803 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,160 And I remember just sitting in the back of that car being so 804 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,320 hyped to go see Oasis and my dad driving me to to see my mate. 805 00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,800 And that's just one of those memories. 806 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,480 They made that a live album. A couple. 807 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,720 Of years ago, didn't they? They released it, yeah, which I 808 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,840 got as well. And there's also a film, I think 809 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,200 over here, it's on Paramount. I think it's on Paramount Plus, 810 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,640 but yeah, they did a documentary on it. 811 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,560 You can't spot me in it, unfortunately. 812 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,560 Do you now when you? I'm assuming you listen to the 813 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,720 Nebworth album, yes? Yeah. 814 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,400 Did you? Did it take you back? 815 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,000 To that night, Absolutely. Absolutely. 816 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,240 It's, again, it sounds silly, but it was a proper goosebump 817 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,960 moment. And just watching the film as 818 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,000 well, because even though it's well, it's 96, it's almost 30 819 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,760 years ago, right? But the cars and the fashion are 820 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,640 so different as well. And again, that's a moment in 821 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,360 time. It's interesting. 822 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,920 Anything. From that 90s era, like if you 823 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,680 look at MTV like Summer Break or you look at like the movie 824 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,360 singles or anything, just there are these little snapshots of 825 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,000 like, oh, this is this is the 90s, you know, this is what it 826 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,720 looked like. This is what it sounded like. 827 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,680 It's such a strange thing to have this. 828 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,080 I remember it, you know? And then there are movies like 829 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,320 Encino Man, and there there's like Alice In Chains music 830 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,960 videos and a John Cusack movie years like High Fidelity. 831 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,320 And it's like, that's the way that I remember the world from 832 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,920 my childhood, but it seems so far away now because everything 833 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,960 seems so modern and technological compared to then. 834 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,400 But. It's yeah, it's. 835 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,000 It's only 30 years ago, you know, like it's incredible and 836 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,880 and I don't. Feel like I've aged 30 years. 837 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,640 But then when I look at that, I realise how far away for sure it 838 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,320 was. And, you know, and I was just 839 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,560 looking at setlists now and, you know, they played 20 songs that 840 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,320 that included 22 encores, of which one was Champagne 841 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,640 Supernova, of course, which I'm sure they stretched. 842 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,440 Out to like 14 minutes, yeah, which was amazing. 843 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,120 And so I, I never forget that day. 844 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,840 We walked there and it was about, it was almost about an 845 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,960 hour walk because we weren't going to drive there. 846 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,120 So we we walked there and it was blazing hot sun because it was 847 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,080 the I think it was August the 10th and people were getting 848 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,120 treated for heat stroke on the way in. 849 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,000 But then I remember on the way out as, as I started playing 850 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,000 like champagne supernova and the fireworks going off, it started 851 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,680 raining. So we were walking out in the 852 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,440 rain in the field, in the dark, you know, And yeah, the final 853 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,880 song was I am the Walrus. But of course, and just for 854 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,680 people. So this was pretty much an all 855 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,880 day event. I think it started at 11 AM. 856 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,000 There were a number of bands. This was the thing I wanted to 857 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,920 go on the Saturday because Saturday had The Prodigy and 858 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,360 Ocean Colour Scene. I don't know if Ocean Colour 859 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,240 scene hit and I really like them, but I got tickets for the 860 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:46,720 Saturday, so we had that again was a lot of the indie bands. 861 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,720 And so there was Cast Cooler, Shaker, The Charlatans, who are 862 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,480 again one of my favorite bands as well. 863 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,880 I love the Charlatans, so you know, at least I've got to to 864 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,160 see them and Manic St. Preachers. 865 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:00,800 Richie James was still there then. 866 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,520 Was he right? He probably would. 867 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,040 Have been, yeah, that's before the disappearance. 868 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,280 Now again. You know, some people the gasp. 869 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,040 I wasn't necessarily a fan of Manic St. 870 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:17,000 Preachers before then, but hearing them live, I honestly 871 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,600 think some bands, when you hear them live, that's when you get 872 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:20,640 it. Sure. 873 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,720 And again, well, I feel sorry for them. 874 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:25,680 I felt sorry for them in the sense that they were just done 875 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,720 before Oasis. And that point everyone just 876 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:31,160 wanted the Oasis to come on. You know, they've been standing 877 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,200 up all day. But I just remember coming away 878 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,760 from that thinking I just love. Them, they they, they sound. 879 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,720 Brilliant live I am addicted to. That song Slash and Burn, it's 880 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,040 so good and that that's a rare band to see. 881 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,640 Consider it. Yes, yes. 882 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,200 So. That's really cool that. 883 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,920 You have the charlatans and manic St. 884 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,120 Preachers at the legendary Oasis Day. 885 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,160 Yeah, all for 22 lbs. 50 So that was the one thing I wanted to 886 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:03,520 say, £22.56 point like. It's it's always criminally 887 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,040 cheap. Now you know that's well when 888 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,440 you think the cheapest. Tickets, I think they were doing 889 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,400 now at Wembley were £130. Yeah, it's it's something but 890 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,080 yeah, just a a phenomenal day. Now I'm not going to lie, I'm 891 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,640 not going to say I was right at the front. 892 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,040 I mean there's 120,000 people, but it's just when you. 893 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,640 See the pictures now. So like if you look at the the 894 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,600 album they released just to see the picture overhead, it's just 895 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,720 amazing. All those people there for that 896 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:33,680 one ballot and then you, you then tell me that they weren't 897 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,360 the biggest band at the time. Sure. 898 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,720 Hasn't that been? Like hasn't someone tried to say 899 00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:43,200 they had the most and then Noel hired someone to count the head 900 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,160 or like Liam hired someone to go in and like count the heads at 901 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,120 the crowd individually? Oh, I don't. 902 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,160 I don't know what was wasn't. That a rumour? 903 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,640 Or wasn't that like a thing he used to boast about? 904 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,240 Possibly. Possibly. 905 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,800 I mean, it sounds like the sort of thing he would do, but so 906 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,800 obviously there was that, and that'll always be a special 907 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:01,680 memory. Yeah. 908 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,880 Be here. Now, The funny thing about that 909 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,040 then as well was in the States, I'm not sure, but because the 910 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,560 Internet really still wasn't a massive thing. 911 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,400 Sure. You would get. 912 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,800 Little inserts in the CDs to join the fan club of of bands 913 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:17,800 and I remember. Joining. 914 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,000 The Oasis 1 so be here now and I've I've got it somewhere and 915 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,160 it's not been treated brilliantly unfortunately, but I 916 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:30,120 got a limited edition double vinyl version of that through 917 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,800 the fan club. So yeah, so I was. 918 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,440 I was really hyped for that album, Yeah. 919 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:41,600 So this was probably, yeah, outside of picking up the first 920 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,560 album, I think I was really amped up to get this having just 921 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,920 come off Nebworth basis. Sure, now. 922 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,520 Was your dad because you said your dad took you to Nebworth? 923 00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:56,680 Was he, was he an Oasis fan or was he just like, I'm going to 924 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,240 take my kid because I'm he's my kid? 925 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,000 No, yeah, no, he just dropped me off. 926 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,600 I thought I'd say he was a Oasis fan, but like I said, it was. 927 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,840 It was funny because I didn't really have like I said around 928 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:11,040 me, anyone who was proper into it into it like I was now be 929 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,760 here now I think he's again it's it's another funny album. 930 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,880 I still think definitely maybe still wins in terms of someone 931 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,080 to the end song, you know, listen to it, but. 932 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,200 I think. Be here now. 933 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,800 You can definitely hear them trying to do different things, 934 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,280 different styles on it. And for me, if I had to pick my 935 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,360 top song, I mean, do you know what I mean is one of my 936 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,720 favorite songs that is as well. I just love the opening of that 937 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:44,920 with like the helicopter sound coming in Stand by Me, which is 938 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,280 one of the one times I don't know if you've seen the videos 939 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,600 to that is where they've actually done quite a clever 940 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,000 video to it. I I haven't. 941 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,680 Yeah, if if you watch. It it's one I always would say 942 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,840 people to watch. It's it's almost like there's 943 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,120 it's all done through CCTV footage and it just looks like a 944 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,600 lot of terrible things happening. 945 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:04,800 But I won't, I won't say anything. 946 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,240 Yeah, go watch it and then let me know what you think of it. 947 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:10,600 But then you've got. All around the world. 948 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,760 Which is almost, I think this album's version of Champagne 949 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,360 Supernova where it's, it's melodic hit. 950 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,960 I mean the original because there's a reprised version of 951 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,760 it. But the it's 9 minutes, 20 952 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,320 seconds, right? I'm looking at that. 953 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,000 That, that, that album that already has some longer songs on 954 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,040 it. There are tracks on that like Be 955 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,200 Here Now, there are some tracks that are like 8 minutes and you 956 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,320 know, like 9 minutes on there for All around the World. 957 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:41,400 And yeah, that that had some, some some epics I'll, I'll use 958 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,120 the term for so you could see that. 959 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,200 That I think that's where Noel is getting into is yeah, I'm 960 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:53,240 going to really just let my his vision almost come out this. 961 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:54,840 I'm going to do this seven minute song. 962 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,880 You're going to listen to it, you know, right And. 963 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,800 Also, it's the third album, and knowing what they've done with 964 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,840 the first two and coming off of Nedwith, who's going to tell 965 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,520 them no? Yeah, yeah. 966 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,520 It's you have. A young man who are hungry, who 967 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,320 are still creatively there have has. 968 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,840 Is there any inner turmoil between the brothers at this 969 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,480 point in time, or are they still riding that beautiful Crest? 970 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,480 I think here they're still. Riding the Crest, Yeah. 971 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,920 So yeah, like. At that point, why not just go 972 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,880 swing for the fences? They had nothing to lose. 973 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,200 The the only thing is I. Think here, you know, especially 974 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,240 on this album, if I remember right, you've got more of Noel 975 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,640 taking the lead on vocals, I think. 976 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,600 I know he did it on the last album. 977 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,240 Obviously don't look back in anger, but again, it's hard to 978 00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:45,280 put myself back into that time frame. 979 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,280 But yeah, I, I even, I remember at the time that he was getting 980 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,240 more kind of like vocals, starting to do a bit more 981 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:55,480 vocals, usually this. Is kind of lessened now, I 982 00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:01,120 think, but this is back when a band would do an album a world 983 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:07,040 tour, which really meant Japan, the UK and then America, maybe 984 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,800 like a South America leg and then they would go back and do 985 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,160 another album and then repeat that process. 986 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:18,320 So really throughout the 90s Oasis, like we have 9490590798, 987 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,280 you know, like every year, every two years, there's a new Oasis 988 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,600 album coming out like there and you can see them it, it, it's 989 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,640 that crazy kind of work ethic where it's like they're burning 990 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,680 themselves dry, but they're also young enough to where their 991 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,200 bodies just, you know, we're not, we're not going to sleep. 992 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,000 We're going to do this. We got a tour, we got to make 993 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,200 another album. We got a tour, we got to make 994 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,920 another album. And you're, you know, they have 995 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,440 the ability to do it. And that's the thing, right? 996 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,720 And again. I know they've got a lot of 997 00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,000 detractors, but as you said, yeah, you know, they produced 4 998 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,720 albums in five years, right? 5-6 years and throwing net worth 999 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,720 in the middle of that, I think they had the right to kind of do 1000 00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:57,120 what they wanted to do at that point. 1001 00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:03,400 Sure. So. 97 Be here now you know 1002 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,800 again. November 2nd, 1998 would be the 1003 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,000 master play. So in your stage of life, you're 1004 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,320 a lot now you're like a dedicated Oasis fan. 1005 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,640 You're in the fan club. Does the fan club have a name? 1006 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:17,520 Like was it something? No, I think it was just like a. 1007 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,200 Mailing list, but I think they then sort of call it, it was 1008 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,760 like an official unofficial sort of fan club. 1009 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,240 But yeah, you just got on the mailing list and they would say, 1010 00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:28,400 yeah, new album's coming out. This is that or singles in the 1011 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,760 in the charts. My my stepdad. 1012 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,440 Was a member of the Aerosmith fan club and they called that 1013 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,400 Aero Force One. Of course I would. 1014 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,640 Yeah. Kiss, have the Kiss Army. 1015 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,280 And you got your little like Kiss army ID card. 1016 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,800 And so I was wondering if Oasis had anything quirky like that. 1017 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:51,040 So November 2nd, 1998, the master plan comes out. 1018 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,400 How did this album fall for you when you heard it? 1019 00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:57,480 So the master plan that. Was the the compilation 1 do you 1020 00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,640 mean? Yeah, but it it also. 1021 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,080 Had like alternate versions of songs, right? 1022 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,560 Like like now some people have said the master plan was an 1023 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,240 excuse album because Oasis either needed the rest or maybe 1024 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:14,320 Noel couldn't write anymore. Or people have said the master 1025 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,720 plan has been used as like a scapegoat album, but bands have 1026 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:22,360 compilations and greatest hits that comes out and the alternate 1027 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,680 versions like isn't I, I am the walrus on the master plan like 1028 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,160 the live version? Do you know what you totally? 1029 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,720 Have got me again, because I didn't realise it was that old. 1030 00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,720 That album, to me, it just feels like it was only recent. 1031 00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:37,760 But yeah, 98. So I remember liking it because 1032 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,720 again, you know, we go back to saying that the B sides were 1033 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:46,720 better than often the A side. So I think this is Noel's chance 1034 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:50,680 at saying, look, you know, you think you know us, but you've 1035 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,760 only heard part of the story, right? 1036 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,320 Look at the track listing acquiesce, which is an awesome 1037 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,200 track, right, Talk tonight, fade away. 1038 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,280 I'm the walrus, which I know is it obviously is a cover, but 1039 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,280 they they do it great. Listen up brilliant, half the 1040 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,680 world away, rocking chair head shrinker and the master plan, 1041 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,960 which again, will feature in most people's favorite songs of 1042 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,320 theirs. So again, I always say, you 1043 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,600 know, if you think that's an excuse, just listen to it and 1044 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,920 you hear that. If that's an excuse, then other 1045 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,640 bands have got a lot to to right. 1046 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:26,720 Do you know, do you know what I mean? 1047 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,760 Because like. This is also when Oasis, I think 1048 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,800 the Oasis detractors start. I think this is when, musically 1049 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,720 speaking, the tide starts to turn on them. 1050 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,240 It's also because something happened in like the late 90s to 1051 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:46,440 2000 where it was like the death of Alternative and then the rise 1052 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:51,120 of Indy and there aren't really any mega bands anymore. 1053 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,840 Like everyone had their own specific genre that they wanted 1054 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,760 to listen to. So you started labeling all of 1055 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,160 these bands with ultra specific genres. 1056 00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:07,200 And it's almost like the terms rock, punk, alternative. 1057 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,240 It's almost like they became Poison because well, we're an 1058 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:13,080 indie band. Well, what kind of indie we're? 1059 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:18,160 And then it's like 3 descriptors and then the word rock after it. 1060 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,920 And like, I think my friend Warrens told me he was like, oh, 1061 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,120 I listened to the Arctic Monkeys and then he described them as 1062 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,960 indie noise funk. And I, I just wanted to like 1063 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,480 push him out of the car in that moment. 1064 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:33,040 Like I'm just like, at some point we're just throwing labels 1065 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,400 on things. And I think that with this album 1066 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,480 and we're getting that stage in music that this is when the 1067 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,440 Oasis to track your start. We've had four years of 1068 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,520 Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova and Dog bag and anger. 1069 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,520 And I think that this is when people started trying to 1070 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,640 denigrate what Oasis had done in their time and especially over. 1071 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,280 Here we like to tear down people who are at the top, right, right 1072 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,800 and I don't know. Why in the? 1073 00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,560 Press and the media over here, anyone who's gets successful, it 1074 00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,880 feels like we, we got to tear it down. 1075 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,120 And you, you must eat your young. 1076 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,120 Yeah, yeah, you know, and probably at. 1077 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,240 That point, they were quite brash, they were quite abrasive. 1078 00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:13,840 There were a few as some of the other bands did, There were a 1079 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,520 few probably ill advised comments about narcotics that 1080 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,840 you know, that was said. So I think that's all swirling 1081 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,560 around to be quite negative. Didn't Liam make that salacious? 1082 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,680 He said if I wrote Stairway to Heaven at 22, I'd be the one 1083 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,080 they were saying was the greatest instead of Jimmy Page 1084 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,760 and, well, they were always saying that. 1085 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:33,640 Right. They were bigger than The 1086 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,200 Beatles. They were going to be bigger 1087 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,400 than everything. And you know, but again, there's 1088 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,000 that swagger. It's it's, it's, it's that mink 1089 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,880 swagger. It's it is. 1090 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,920 It's that Manchester. Swagger that even like Morrissey 1091 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,440 has, that, you know, like The Smiths have, that it's part of 1092 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,880 the ACT, right? And like I said, maybe that was 1093 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,080 back when I was 17, maybe one of the things that attracted me to 1094 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,000 it was that that swagger and that confidence and that, you 1095 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,880 know, we are going to do it. We're we're going to be the 1096 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,560 best, you know, and they came from nowhere, you know, in terms 1097 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,120 of like a real working class kind of background to doing that 1098 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,920 touring the states. And again, like we said, a 1099 00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,720 headlining Nebworth. But yeah, I would argue if if 1100 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,960 people haven't listened to the master plan, listen to it 1101 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,880 because, and like I said, if anyone had only ever bought the 1102 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,400 albums, it's a crime then that they wouldn't have listened to 1103 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,720 some of the B sides. And if it's an excuse, it's an 1104 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,320 excuse. Maybe people saw it like the the 1105 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,720 compilation clip episode of a sitcom, you know, where they 1106 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:35,600 were. I did. 1107 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,120 Again, I think they earned the right to do this. 1108 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,320 Now, are you into? Bootlegs at all? 1109 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,600 Like have you ever picked up an Oasis bootleg of like unreleased 1110 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,440 tracks or like demos of songs that were never released? 1111 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,360 Or did you ever go down that rabbit hole? 1112 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,000 Not bootlegs as such. But I have since bought like a 1113 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,960 few of the like deluxe re release versions where they've 1114 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,320 got demos and or unreleased versions of tracks. 1115 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,160 But I've not, yeah, I've not really gone down there, the 1116 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,240 bootleg side of things, not really done that from any bands. 1117 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,360 Although I've got kind of like Beatles 1 where I can pick up 1118 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,040 because, you know, vinyl especially now these days is 1119 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,880 just so expensive. It used to be so affordable. 1120 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,520 And nice. And now, like, can't, can't. 1121 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,880 It's so hard to purchase affordable vinyl. 1122 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,000 But yeah, I'll show you at some. Point a couple of the the 1123 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,840 versions of the albums I've got which which fill me with joy, 1124 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,600 but actually one thing they did do actually, and I forgot to 1125 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,600 say, and I did mean to bring them in, I'll show you 1126 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,280 afterwards. So they released, like I said, 1127 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,760 there's normally four or five singles released from each 1128 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,080 album. And for the first two albums, at 1129 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:45,520 some point later, they released a a box to put them in. 1130 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,240 But the box was based on a cigarette box. 1131 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,760 You slot the singles into it. I think there was a bonus CD in 1132 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,440 there. It might have been an interview 1133 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,320 CD. But then when you're looking at 1134 00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,840 it, it looks like a box of, I can't remember if it was, I 1135 00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,520 didn't smoke it and they Lambert Butlers or Benson and Hedges. 1136 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,120 But it looked like cigarette box. 1137 00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:08,040 Yeah, that's really cool. That's something the digital era 1138 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,600 has cut out on. There's a lot of like very cool 1139 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:15,480 box sets or like CD cases. And I have an Alice In Chains 1140 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,880 box set and it's like a safe. You open it up and there's four 1141 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,560 CDs in it, but then the back is a false back that you have to 1142 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,680 like hit the back of and then it falls out and there's like 1143 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,400 poetry on the inside of it. And I have like an Alice Cooper 1144 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,840 box set. I have a few other pieces that 1145 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,160 I'm just like, you don't get that with just a download. 1146 00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,360 You don't get like the cool like Weird Al Yankovic has a box set, 1147 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,160 but it's an accordion case that the vinyl slots into I'm. 1148 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:46,880 Like that's. Really cool. 1149 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,240 Like if you're a collector, you're a fan of this person, 1150 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,520 Yeah, pay the 130 for it or the 200 or whatever. 1151 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,440 But you just don't get that with a digital mean. 1152 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:56,840 Exactly. It's kind of sad that. 1153 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,520 It's missing. Out on that, yeah. 1154 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,120 And I think you could buy. It with all the singles in it, 1155 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,880 if you hadn't bought them, but if you had done it was quite a 1156 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,680 clever idea to just sell the empty box that you could then 1157 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,560 yeah, slip them into. So oh and the other thing is I'm 1158 01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:11,920 not sure if I've got it somewhere. 1159 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,760 If if it is, it's it will be in that there was that time. 1160 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,440 Did you hear about the the time they were being interviewed? 1161 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,640 The interviewer walked away. Had left the tape running and 1162 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,400 Nolan, Liam just have an argument for about half an hour 1163 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,240 and it got released as ACD. Yeah, yeah. 1164 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,560 Actually I have that. Oh, you've got that sibling 1165 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,000 rivalry. Right, yes, I have it here. 1166 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,600 Oh, I don't have it here. It's back in California, right? 1167 01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:35,840 Yeah. I shouldn't say I have it. 1168 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,720 My parents have it. But yes, we, I yes, I've heard 1169 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,320 sibling rivalry. Yeah. 1170 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:42,360 And again, how? Brilliant. 1171 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:47,920 Is that right? I have AI, also have a, I have 1172 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,920 it here in Texas with me. I have an Iron Maiden argument 1173 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,800 on tape too, like that. Like there's someone who's left 1174 01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,560 the thing running and Steve Harris is yelling at some poor 1175 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,040 grip who did something and they're just all bickering for 5 1176 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,480 minutes before they realize that someone's recording them. 1177 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,000 And then the audio just quickly cuts off. 1178 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:07,960 Yeah, yeah. Brilliant. 1179 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,880 So. You know, the year 2000, Y2K 1180 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,080 comes and goes and we all survived that. 1181 01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,760 Luckily 24 years ago, Standing on the Shores of Giants would 1182 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,040 come out totally different compared to what Oasis have done 1183 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,400 in my opinion. Like Standing on the Shoulders 1184 01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:30,840 of Giants seems so antagonistic to the first three albums, 1185 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,320 almost like it seems like they have become a different animal 1186 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,560 of a band, at least in my opinion. 1187 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,680 How did you feel about it when it came out? 1188 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:40,880 I see. I felt the same. 1189 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,280 I see it. Felt going to sound funny, but a 1190 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:44,920 bit more serious, if you know what I mean. 1191 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,200 It felt not a darkness to it, but it felt like there was a bit 1192 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,400 of an edge to it that the other albums albums didn't have to me. 1193 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,120 And I think this is what I said to you when it when I first got 1194 01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:00,000 this, it took me a while to actually warm to it as much as 1195 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,360 the other albums did. I don't know what it is. 1196 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:08,040 Maybe it doesn't have the like the radio friendly catchy song 1197 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,520 that maybe the first few did. I mean it starts. 1198 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,160 Out with in the bushes, which is a brilliant track. 1199 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,040 I'm going to be honest to you is an I have to say though, that is 1200 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,000 a brilliant yeah. And maybe that caught us off 1201 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,160 guard with, you know, the use of a swear word on on a track when 1202 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,320 they don't normally do that anything right because. 1203 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,320 It's also I don't know what that audio is before in the start of 1204 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:37,800 the song with the guy ranting, but like it comes out so hard 1205 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,800 edged. It comes out so crass and loud 1206 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,840 it all. It has like a dirty punk vibe to 1207 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,680 it almost. And then it just gets into like 1208 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:51,600 really good savage guitar work. Honestly, it's it's such a. 1209 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,200 Great track and I think most people have heard it. 1210 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,560 I think it's been used on so many things. 1211 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,520 You know, there's there's a radio station here, sports 1212 01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,400 station that one of the evening shows. 1213 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,440 They use it as the the prelude. I think Liam uses it for when he 1214 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,320 comes out on stage at his gigs. But as you said, yeah, it's just 1215 01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,680 such a there's a British. Wrestler named Nigel McGinnis, 1216 01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,280 who uses it as his theme. Oh, really? 1217 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:18,880 Yeah. And Guy? 1218 01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,000 Ritchie used it in like two or three of his movies. 1219 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,160 And the interesting thing is I think a lot of people have heard 1220 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,240 that song and I don't know if they know it's Oasis or not. 1221 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,080 But you know what? I wouldn't disagree. 1222 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,320 With you there especially because it is an instrumental 1223 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,040 pretty much isn't it? More or less, yeah. 1224 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,240 And the. Voices on that album are or on 1225 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:42,800 that song are not Liam or Noel. It's just like pre sampled audio 1226 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,920 clips with instrumentation. So if if you were to play that, 1227 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,360 because it also doesn't sound anything like what you're used 1228 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,440 to from the other Oasis albums. So if you were to play someone 1229 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,080 that song and go, who do you think this is? 1230 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,600 I don't think they would ever say, oh, that's Oasis. 1231 01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,320 Yeah, yeah. No, I think you're right. 1232 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,480 I think you're right. And the other thing with this 1233 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,200 again, it's got another one of my favorite tracks on there of 1234 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,200 theirs. So having said what I said, so I 1235 01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,240 I really like go let it out. I think that's a great song. 1236 01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,360 It's again, it's one of my, you know, my favourites, but also 1237 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:18,560 it's got the first, I think, credited song that Liam wrote on 1238 01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,280 the album as well. Little James again, you've kind 1239 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,640 of got that now. So you you had obviously you had 1240 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,600 Noel starting to sing more, but now you've got Liam wanting to 1241 01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,640 get in on the writing act right Right now there was a. 1242 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,920 Little bit of in band controversy with his album, 1243 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,160 right? What was that then? 1244 01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:34,800 Well. Hasn't Noel? 1245 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,640 Disowned it. Like hasn't Noel come out to 1246 01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,720 speak out against standing on the shoulders of giants? 1247 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,560 I'm not sure I I. Think in, in in. 1248 01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:47,840 Like in the years since, I think that Noel has been unkind toward 1249 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,560 this album in his own opinion, and I think that I don't know 1250 01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:55,640 how legitimate that is towards the album versus him and his 1251 01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,520 brother just having disagreements. 1252 01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,000 Just looking here. Yeah. 1253 01:04:59,000 --> 01:04:59,480 Now. So. 1254 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,560 It was in 2011. He's he's quoted as saying they 1255 01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:07,040 should never have made it. Yeah, so he's saying after the 1256 01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,920 second album he lost the desire to write music, and he said the 1257 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,520 band was slowly moving on his way. 1258 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,400 He said we should never have made Standing on a Shoulder with 1259 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,120 Giants. I'd come to the end at a time I 1260 01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,960 had no reason or desire to make music. 1261 01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,520 I had no drive. We sold all these epic records 1262 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:21,840 and there just seemed to be no point. 1263 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,520 Yeah, that's really strange. Yeah, maybe that's what lends 1264 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,080 to. The vibe of the album, you know 1265 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,160 it's. But that's really strange 1266 01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,480 considering. That Noel would continue for a 1267 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,000 few albums and then he had High flying Birds. 1268 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,320 And it's. It's strange for a guy to be 1269 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,360 like, oh, I can't write anymore, I don't want to write anymore. 1270 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,840 And then they keep writing and making music for the next 1271 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,840 10/12/15 years. Yeah. 1272 01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,840 And I'm kind of looking. At the time, I mean for me then 1273 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,760 you know, the next batch of albums. 1274 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,760 So, you know, ultimately up to up to their ending. 1275 01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,560 That came at a time of life then. 1276 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:03,640 So I, I'd met my girlfriend, moved out work, there was 1277 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:05,880 financings because you know, you're moving in, you know, 1278 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,640 you're buying a house. And I think that's when I, it 1279 01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:13,280 almost seems to be mirroring maybe the, the fractious 1280 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,240 relationship within the band as well that, you know, they were 1281 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,600 starting to have these troubles and I would start slowly losing 1282 01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,920 interest in, in the music side of it because of obviously of, 1283 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,040 of, like I said, I remember at the time, one of the hardest 1284 01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:28,160 things I did was I had to sell a lot of my music collection to 1285 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,040 try to raise some funds, right. And the last three albums I 1286 01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:36,520 think were, they probably just haven't, I think. 1287 01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,400 At the time, they weren't as. Appreciated so Heath in 1288 01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,440 chemistry don't believe the truth, dig out his soul. 1289 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,640 But I think since then again, I would say the last few years has 1290 01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,480 seen me really get an appreciation for the second-half 1291 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,880 of their career. That's a good. 1292 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,960 Way to put it. Because standing on the 1293 01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,480 shoulders of giants really does seem like the master plan. 1294 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,640 Almost seems like that in standing shoulders Giant seems 1295 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,360 like a bridge between Oasis in the 90s and then Oasis in the 1296 01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,400 thousands leading up to the breakup. 1297 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,600 Right. And it's interesting that you 1298 01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:14,520 said that the album, you have a connection where you feel like 1299 01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,920 it kind of mirrors your emotional turmoil or maybe 1300 01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,360 you're like life turmoil. You were moving in, you had 1301 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:24,000 finances to worry about, so you connected these harder, 1302 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:29,880 grittier, more unforgiving Oasis albums that sounded a little 1303 01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,480 more raw edge, that had a little bit more bite to them. 1304 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,280 When you were going through a time in your life when things 1305 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,440 were a little more hard edged and had a little more bite to 1306 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,720 them, you were becoming disinterested in music, not 1307 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,840 because of choice, but because of necessity. 1308 01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:44,400 Yeah, absolutely. And. 1309 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,080 When you. Have to give into necessity like 1310 01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,200 that. It does. 1311 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,080 Oh, well, I don't like music then. 1312 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,520 It's just going to be easier to accept it. 1313 01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,240 I'm just going to focus on this for now and I can't worry about 1314 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,840 that. You don't want to do it, but you 1315 01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,760 have to like needs must as the devil drives, you know? 1316 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:01,920 Yeah, definitely. And. 1317 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:02,720 And like I said. Nothing. 1318 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,600 That's why then when I went back to those albums later on, you 1319 01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:10,200 know, I realized that I had done them a disservice sort of 1320 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,880 originally in in kind of disregarding them or not 1321 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,000 disregarded them, but that you kind of make that snap 1322 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,680 judgement. But when you can sit down and 1323 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,920 listen to it like Heathen chemistry again, I would say 1324 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,560 it's got two of my favorite songs there. 1325 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,479 I seem to have a lot of favorite songs there. 1326 01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,040 But stop crying your heart out. I think it's just beautiful you 1327 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:34,359 put that on and you've all got those memories or emotions that 1328 01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:35,560 that's going to bring out of you. 1329 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:40,160 And I, and I think one thing I've not said as well is Liam's 1330 01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,600 voice to me is just incredible and kind of like the emotion he 1331 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,319 can get from that raspiness he's got. 1332 01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:47,880 And I think stop crying your heart out. 1333 01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,680 It's just an incredible song by him. 1334 01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,040 So 2002. Heathen Chemistry comes out and 1335 01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,720 that's such, that's Noel Gallagher is writing some of the 1336 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,279 songs, Liam is writing some of the songs, and then Jim Archer 1337 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:04,000 is writing some of the songs. As an Oasis fan, are you able 1338 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,920 to, when you hear these songs, do you go, oh, Liam totally 1339 01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,800 wrote this, or this is an Archer track? 1340 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,800 Like are you able to tell the songwriting differences in the 1341 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,800 approach or does it all just kind of blend together? 1342 01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,439 It kind of all blends together, but mainly. 1343 01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,720 Because they were doing experimental things, so there 1344 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,040 was kind of like that trippy vibe. 1345 01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,439 They did some of this songs. They did almost have like the, 1346 01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,040 the Asian influence a couple of times in the background they 1347 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,120 were trying to influence, you know, But for me, it's always, 1348 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,880 it's mainly because Oasis is Liam's voice to me. 1349 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,920 So as long as he's singing the track to me, it's, it doesn't 1350 01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,560 matter who who's written it or if it's a ballad or if it's 1351 01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,439 Rocky or it's just that I hear his voice and that's an Oasis 1352 01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,399 track. I don't necessarily think about 1353 01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,520 kind of who's written it. If you're talking about writing, 1354 01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,000 one of the funny things is, again, I said my wife wasn't 1355 01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,560 necessarily an Oasis fan, but I've turned her into one. 1356 01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,520 One of her fate. Her favorite tracks is actually 1357 01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,400 a Liam Gallagher track, and it's Songbird, which is on this 1358 01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,360 album. And again, 2 Minutes is a very 1359 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:11,200 short song and I think he wrote it for his partner at the time. 1360 01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,640 Sure. All this brashness and swagger 1361 01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,080 he's got, it's a lovely little, almost like a love song, isn't 1362 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,600 it? Yeah. 1363 01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:23,240 It just shows that whatever you think about Liam Gallagher in 1364 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,480 that moment, there was more to him than what the media, than 1365 01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:28,160 what he had been portraying to the media. 1366 01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:29,720 Absolutely. What do you? 1367 01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,320 Think about the cage. About the what? 1368 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,400 Sorry. The cage so. 1369 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,560 If you listen to Better Man and then there's that big gap 1370 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,200 because it's there's a 33 minute track, then there's that hidden 1371 01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,040 track, which bands also used to do that? 1372 01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,040 Weren't they great? On CDs. 1373 01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:48,520 Why is this album? Suddenly two hours long and 1374 01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,680 there's 45 minutes of silence before like a 3 minute track 1375 01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,040 comes on at the very end of that to be honest. 1376 01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,480 As I said, it's it's probably one of the tracks I've not 1377 01:10:57,480 --> 01:11:01,280 really gone back to and listened to that much, mainly because now 1378 01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:04,000 it was one like I said, I'd never had originally. 1379 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,800 And then I've bought it on vinyl since and it's one of the ones, 1380 01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,760 like I said, I've I've kind of just stuck to the main songs on 1381 01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:12,200 it. So why did you bring that up? 1382 01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,640 Is that because there's something for you and also? 1383 01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:21,040 I always think it's like Nirvana had a hidden track on Never Mind 1384 01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,560 Velour. Revolver had a hidden track on 1385 01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,760 the end of their second album. Whenever a band puts a hidden 1386 01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,320 cuz OK, an album, you have a band, they're making this album 1387 01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,320 and there's like, OK, we're going to put these songs in this 1388 01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:34,880 order and we're going to compose. 1389 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,560 So we're going to put this song here and then this song. 1390 01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,360 And it's the way every album is structured with a purpose. 1391 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:42,840 I don't care who you are musically. 1392 01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,160 I don't care what your manager says. 1393 01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:45,400 I don't care what kind of a band you are. 1394 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,920 Every album you produce, that album has a theory. 1395 01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:53,080 That album has a process. That album has a purpose, and so 1396 01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,960 when a band decides to go, OK, we're going to put on a brick of 1397 01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,520 silence, 15 minutes of silence, 10 minutes of silence, 4 minutes 1398 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,680 of silence, and then a track that we're not going to list on 1399 01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,560 the album, we're not going to acknowledge in the track notes. 1400 01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,840 We're just going to have it be a hidden track. 1401 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,680 That is always something really special to me because it shows 1402 01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,800 the band going. There is something more to this 1403 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,040 album like this is rewarding someone who listens to it from 1404 01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,080 start to finish. This is rewarding someone who 1405 01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:27,160 listens to our music like on on Play. 1406 01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,640 This is someone who is not putting our singles in a 1407 01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:34,560 playlist or just listening to like the edited single number 1408 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,520 one hit and then moving on. A hidden track shows a certain 1409 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:43,640 level of songwriting competency that goes this is something and 1410 01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,080 like sometimes those hidden tracks are amazing. 1411 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,040 Like sometimes they're really good. 1412 01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,200 They're really produced well, they're really well thought out. 1413 01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,440 And every time they're like 1 crop stuff that I find out 1414 01:12:54,440 --> 01:12:57,720 about, I'm always like that's like there's something really 1415 01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,040 special there because it's also not on every album. 1416 01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,640 And it's very rare when a hidden track comes along like that. 1417 01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,160 And again, going back to what? You said that you can do this 1418 01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,920 with physical media, right? Well, I guess you could do it 1419 01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,160 with streaming, but it loses that edge, right? 1420 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:14,800 Right. And the fact that, like I said, 1421 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,040 it's uncredited, so it takes again, most artists want 1422 01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:19,920 everything credited, right, right. 1423 01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,720 So. And like, you know, you'll have 1424 01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,320 like you, you're putting a playlist on or a pot. 1425 01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,200 Like, let's say you're listening to music and you're doing 1426 01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,560 dishes. You're just going to put on, 1427 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,400 like, a playlist of whatever. Like, when's the last time 1428 01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,120 someone sat down and go, I'm going to listen to this album 1429 01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:39,720 from start to finish, no skips. And I bought the album, or I'm 1430 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,920 putting it on CD or I'm putting it on something to where I don't 1431 01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:44,240 have to listen to commercials. Yeah. 1432 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,360 And then you're listening to it. You're listening to it. 1433 01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,280 And then, OK, well, that's the end of that song. 1434 01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,680 That album's done. And you'd walk over and you'd 1435 01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,320 change it or you're walking around with a little remote or, 1436 01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:58,320 and your Bluetooth or Siri play this, Siri play that, you know, 1437 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,840 So to have a hidden track on an album somewhere and then for you 1438 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,840 to hear like silence for whatever reason, not change it 1439 01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,440 because you're busy with something and then cut to a 1440 01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:10,200 song. It's quite jarring because 1441 01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:11,840 you're like, what, what is this? Why is this? 1442 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,920 Because then you have to track. Why is there music here? 1443 01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:16,280 And it doesn't say anything on the album. 1444 01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,920 And you just have to, you know, listen to it enough and do a 1445 01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,640 little bit of digging and oh, that's the name of this song. 1446 01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,880 And that's a hidden track. And, you know, then you can find 1447 01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,360 out stuff. But it's such an interesting 1448 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,720 road to get to that point. And I could be. 1449 01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:31,880 I could be misremembering, but I'm sure I'm not. 1450 01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,040 I'm sure there were CDs as well where there were tracks at the 1451 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,960 start. So if you rewound. 1452 01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,520 So if you put the CD in and then rewound it, you would have a 1453 01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,640 track hidden before the first track. 1454 01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,880 Yeah, but you could only. Access it through the rewind, 1455 01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,280 the rewind process. Yeah, yeah. 1456 01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,240 So this old media. Had some very cool functions. 1457 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:56,280 The Beatles did that, too. They would put hidden tracks in 1458 01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,360 the end of the records, so like the actual record went in and 1459 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,040 then we hit the end grooves and then music would play. 1460 01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:03,840 Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's. 1461 01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,640 Also, I've not got one. I would love to get one because 1462 01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:10,800 I like to try get various types of final, but there there are 1463 01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,560 ones where they've got 2 grooves. 1464 01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,920 So because I remember somebody read an article, somebody said 1465 01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,840 there's an album they listened to and then once they went to 1466 01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:20,960 play it and it was different. The intro was different. 1467 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:22,480 It was because it had a different groove. 1468 01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:26,080 It is where you put the needle, the stylus onto the record. 1469 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,520 Oh, so there were. 2 tracks. Sure, yeah. 1470 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,200 I mean, how cool. Is that? 1471 01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:32,960 Yeah. And the I mean. 1472 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,280 Like when we're talking about experimental music and this is a 1473 01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,440 slight digression. We'll get back to Oasis, but The 1474 01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:40,680 Flaming Lips made the entire album. 1475 01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:45,560 But every piece of music was isolated, and then it was up to 1476 01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,400 you, the listener, to listen to whatever. 1477 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,000 You could listen to the drums and the guitars or the vocals on 1478 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,040 the bass, or you could listen to them all compiled. 1479 01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,160 And then you'd actually hear the songs as they were meant to be 1480 01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,640 played right? Or they left it up to. 1481 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,080 You. To just mix, match your own 1482 01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:06,040 tracks and vocals and everything to however you want. 1483 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,200 It's so cool, isn't it? You can have this 1484 01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:13,000 experimentation with something that's right well. 1485 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:18,360 Centuries old music. And the format, yeah, now. 1486 01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:24,120 With Heathen Chemistry, did you feel like Oasis were because no 1487 01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,760 one saw the end come and this is getting close to there. 1488 01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,280 We're two albums out from the breakup. 1489 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:33,320 So with Heathen did this over there, you know, across the Pond 1490 01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:37,280 and jolly old England, what did this album do for Oasis for you 1491 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,080 guys? Did it reinvent them? 1492 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,880 Did it keep them the same or were England kind of over Oasis 1493 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,480 at this point? I think it was. 1494 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,640 Yeah, it was almost like, it sounds dramatic, but the 1495 01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,000 beginning of the end for it, I think, as you said, times 1496 01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,320 changed. So there's what, 2002? 1497 01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:57,040 So like I said, we're in the, you know, in the new Millennium 1498 01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:01,160 tech coming through. And yeah, if I'm in Brighton and 1499 01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,240 looking at it, it got really mixed reviews. 1500 01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,040 So I mean, I see it's averaging around 50 out of 100, so. 1501 01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,880 Like I said, I think it just. Felt it felt different. 1502 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,720 It didn't feel like it was. It's going to sound funny like 1503 01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,400 my Oasis and my Oasis was the first couple of albums. 1504 01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,200 Like I said, for me, it's those first three albums will always 1505 01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:27,000 be sort of my happy place for Oasis, if you know what I mean. 1506 01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,720 But like I said, that's not so I haven't come to love the later 1507 01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,640 albums and that there's brilliant tracks on there. 1508 01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,160 And like I said, I don't know if it's just the time of my life 1509 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,080 where priorities have changed as well. 1510 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:41,040 But yeah, it just, it just didn't feel like the Oasis of 1511 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,960 old. So that was 2002. 1512 01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,960 Now we have a gap because gone are the days when Oasis are like 1513 01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,360 Nolan Liam are on speaking terms and you know they're cranking 1514 01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,520 out an album every half a year, 2 years. 1515 01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:58,440 So don't believe the truth would come out May 30th, 2005. 1516 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,800 How are you doing in 2005? Was that a is that a good year 1517 01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,520 for Dan 2005? No. 1518 01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,760 So I'm trying to think now. So I think around 2000 and five, 1519 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,120 2006, I'm, I'm sure I'm going to get the date wrong here, but 1520 01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,840 that was round the time. So me and my wife, we were at 1521 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,800 the same, working at the same company. 1522 01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:21,000 It was really my first job. And I think that was when we the 1523 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,880 company was shutting down or, or it was relocating and we were 1524 01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,360 taking redundancy. So, so like I said, there was 1525 01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:30,560 whole sort of things going on. So I think this is where started 1526 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,240 to part ways with with them even more. 1527 01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,040 Sure. Your life? 1528 01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:36,880 Really. Has been tethered to Oasis in a 1529 01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,800 strange way yeah, because though when I look. 1530 01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,680 At it again, if well, as you, as you intimated on the last one, 1531 01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,000 it's very much an album of everybody getting involved in it 1532 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,040 right. It's a shorter album as well, 1533 01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,640 but it's got it's got a couple of really interesting ones on 1534 01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,520 there. So you've got Lila, which I 1535 01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,960 think is a really interesting one, and also the importance of 1536 01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,760 being idle, which I remember when I first heard it didn't 1537 01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,080 like it. But then on the second and third 1538 01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,320 hearing, I just thought what a great track it was and I don't 1539 01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,280 see it. It's got, Oh, what's his name? 1540 01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:12,400 Is it Reese fans in the video? It's a black and white video. 1541 01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:16,240 And again, it's them doing a bit of a like almost like a a proper 1542 01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,440 video. So yeah, it was it was a weird 1543 01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:22,080 album for me because I think this is where I think I was 1544 01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,120 losing more interest in my passion for buying everything 1545 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,640 music and listening. I think I was devoting less time 1546 01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,320 to music at that time of my life. 1547 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:31,160 Yeah. So something. 1548 01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,960 Interesting happens here with Don't Believe the Truth because 1549 01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:39,960 the next album it's a greatest hits it it stopped the clocks. 1550 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,920 So stop the clocks came out. It's the greatest hits album. 1551 01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,360 That's fine. Which further, if the master 1552 01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,280 plan is the greatest hits album, then what's stop the clocks? 1553 01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,880 You know, Stop the clocks is the greatest hits master plan is a 1554 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,400 chance to show off the B sides that people weren't buying. 1555 01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,920 So stop the clocks comes out. And if you look at the track 1556 01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,240 listing for stop the clocks, I feel like Oasis kind of knew 1557 01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,720 where their bread and butter is at because most of that comes 1558 01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:09,360 from the first 3 or 4 albums. It's like you have a few from 1559 01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:13,000 Heathen Chemistry or Standing on the Shoulders of Giants, but 1560 01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,640 most of it's coming from the first. 1561 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,360 Three years, you know, and sorry, why? 1562 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:18,680 Why are you saying? That, yeah, I was just double 1563 01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,440 checking. So yeah, my first job, yeah, was 1564 01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:24,520 finished in May. And then I went, I was bouncing 1565 01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,200 between cup row, so I went to another row and then there was 1566 01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,320 redundancy there. So it was just to say that that 1567 01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:34,400 was, I think where it, it kind of explains why I was jumping 1568 01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:35,120 away. But sorry. 1569 01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,440 But you were saying yeah, about the about the compilation album, 1570 01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:39,800 right? It's the greatest. 1571 01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:45,480 Hits and most of the album it's the early songs, it's the early 1572 01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:48,280 years, you know which there's nothing more telling than a 1573 01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,800 greatest hits album than when the majority of it comes from 1574 01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,360 the first like 3 or 4 albums yeah and was the. 1575 01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,320 Writing on the wall for them then, did they? 1576 01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,720 Did they know that, that their star was waning, as it were? 1577 01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,920 Was that like you said, was that an attempt to kind of recapture? 1578 01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:04,400 I mean, I've got the album again. 1579 01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:08,480 I've pretty much bought all of all of their films and again, 1580 01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,240 the greatest hits. I mean, what is it, 2004? 1581 01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,400 So I guess it's 10 years on, isn't it? 1582 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,080 So just ten years on. So it's probably the greatest 1583 01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:20,720 hits released November. 20th 2602 Thousand. 1584 01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:21,760 And six. So what's that? 1585 01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:25,680 That is 12 then years, isn't it from the first album? 1586 01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,440 The first album we saw was Night 4, right? 1587 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,880 So I think you're justified or you're out. 1588 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,320 You're allowed to get away with a compilation album then? 1589 01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,640 I think so. Have have you seen? 1590 01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:39,840 Oasis again, since Nebwitz at this point in like 2006. 1591 01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,920 Was there another time that you ran into them, met them, or saw 1592 01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,080 them live? No, but I've. 1593 01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,680 Got actually a funny story which I'll come on to after, which 1594 01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,800 links into my first job eventually after. 1595 01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,680 But no, do you know what? I never saw them again. 1596 01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,280 Which is why I'm actually quite gutted that I haven't got 1597 01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,480 tickets for this. But I did then see Liam twice in 1598 01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:01,320 2022. OK, All right, wait. 1599 01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:03,360 Oh, Liam, Liam, Liam. What was? 1600 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,440 What was Liam's band? I see it's a solo. 1601 01:22:06,440 --> 01:22:09,440 Career. Yeah, it's a solo career, so he 1602 01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:12,160 was touring obviously. And in the Royal Albert Hall 1603 01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,400 each year is the Teenage Cancer Trust. 1604 01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,120 They do a week long worth of concerts there. 1605 01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:18,400 So I think they've had The Who there. 1606 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:23,000 They've had Paul Weller and 22. He was doing one of the nights, 1607 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,120 so me and my wife bought tickets to see him there. 1608 01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,280 Then after that was announced, he then announced his net worth. 1609 01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,320 So he played a couple of nights, net worth himself. 1610 01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:36,400 Only 80,000 a night. Not a shame, yeah. 1611 01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:37,560 You know. And I said. 1612 01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,400 Tomorrow, no, we can't do it because we've got tickets for 1613 01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:40,560 that, she said. No, we have to do it. 1614 01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,720 We have to do it. And yeah, I've got tickets for 1615 01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,000 Nebworth as well. And it was great because within 1616 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,400 the space, a few months saw him in, I'm not going to call the 1617 01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,160 Royal Albert Hall like an intimate venue, but it was 1618 01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:55,440 within an, you know, in close. Yeah, and then saw. 1619 01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:58,160 Him back at the scene of Nebworth. 1620 01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,360 But the difference with that one was I managed to get VIP 1621 01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,240 tickets, tickets. Well, they were the only tickets 1622 01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:09,640 available, I'm not going to lie. And they were, they weren't 1623 01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:11,760 overly expensive. But I remember The funny thing 1624 01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,720 was that they didn't say anything other than it got you 1625 01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:20,240 the VIP ticket. There was a a separate section 1626 01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,040 of the main bit where you could go. 1627 01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:23,160 It's almost like a chill out bit. 1628 01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,600 There was a couple of bars that only the VIP members could do. 1629 01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,920 And there's a couple of portaloos there that only there 1630 01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,880 the VIP members could do it. And I remember a friend of mine 1631 01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,760 went the night before and I said to him, he said his friend had 1632 01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,720 VIP tickets. I said was there anywhere 1633 01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,480 specific you could stand? So, you know, I'm just trying to 1634 01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:40,760 think, could you get close to the stage? 1635 01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:42,680 He said no, no, there wasn't anything like that. 1636 01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:43,680 And I thought that's fair enough. 1637 01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,560 Anyway, me and my wife go the next day. 1638 01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:50,480 Now this is what I was saying. So we didn't go early on. 1639 01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,440 So we went later on. And I didn't didn't really know 1640 01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:55,640 the warm up bands they were having or the support bands. 1641 01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,840 But I did go in time for Kasabian who again or another 1642 01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,720 one where I've heard the songs and I've liked the songs. 1643 01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:07,200 But then to see them perform live, it was just something 1644 01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,280 else. And the crowd was literally 1645 01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:14,080 pumped up it it was just great. And it's now you know it's led 1646 01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:19,000 by what's his name, Sergio now. And he was just, again, if you 1647 01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,280 talk about enigmatic front men and just getting that crowd 1648 01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:26,040 whipped up, they did it right. We drive in, we get there late 1649 01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:27,880 and I was worried that we were going to have a nightmare 1650 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,160 parking and it was going to be difficult getting it was quiet 1651 01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:33,080 all the way. And we were like, have they 1652 01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,160 closed it? Have they cancelled the event? 1653 01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,200 There was no traffic anyway, drove straight in, parked 1654 01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:41,720 without issue, got straight in. We managed to cut our way right 1655 01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,280 to the because the VIP section because we said let's go get a 1656 01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,400 drink there. We managed to cut through the 1657 01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:50,920 whole crowd and early on got all the way through and then we got 1658 01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,600 a really good standing space. We were fairly close to the 1659 01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,800 stage, quite a good bit for Kasabian. 1660 01:24:56,160 --> 01:25:00,480 Then I just caught the corner of my eye there was, so we were by 1661 01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,520 a railing where they had a walkway for I think like to keep 1662 01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,680 people a little bit of separation space and for 1663 01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,120 security to walk through. And I saw a security guard with 1664 01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,080 AI could see he was standing in front of a bit of paper and I 1665 01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,280 was trying to see it was just like an A4 bit of paper. 1666 01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:17,200 I was thinking, what is that? What is that? 1667 01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,720 And he moved briefly and he said VIP. 1668 01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:23,920 And so he got his attention and he comes over and I said that's 1669 01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:25,760 actually what's that? And he goes, it's for VIP. 1670 01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,840 He goes, have you got AVIP ticket? 1671 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,480 I lifted my hand up. He goes, what are you doing 1672 01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:30,880 there? He goes come round here. 1673 01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:34,200 As we were pretty much front and centre of the the stage. 1674 01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,080 We were right up. Fantastic. 1675 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,360 Yeah. Just so good. 1676 01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:40,200 Yeah. And that was just. 1677 01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:44,320 Brilliant because whilst it's his solo stuff, he sang a lot of 1678 01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:49,440 Oasis tunes and it was just a mix of older people like me, but 1679 01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:51,960 they'd also they were bringing their young kids to it as well. 1680 01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:56,720 It's a proper mix and it was just people just really living 1681 01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:58,960 the moment. It was just incredible that it 1682 01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,920 was almost, I think I was able to enjoy that one more because 1683 01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,480 the original net worth I was, you know, I was young, I was 1684 01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:09,240 what, 18? Just really hyped up and I think 1685 01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:14,080 this one because of the memories of the original net worth and 1686 01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,840 see my wife enjoying the concert as well because I didn't know 1687 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,040 her then. The original net worth, it was 1688 01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:21,920 just a great, Yeah. It was a great vibe for that, 1689 01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:27,560 too, yeah. Now 2. 1008 dig out your soul. 1690 01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:32,480 I mean the the end of Oasis, but and I don't think that like 1691 01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:36,480 didn't the break up happened like unexpectedly, right. 1692 01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,200 It was like everyone went to sleep one day and it's like 1693 01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,080 Oasis are here and they woke up and it's like Oasis break up 1694 01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,640 Gallagher brothers forever, you know, so dig out your soul. 1695 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,640 Was that a concept album or am I misremembering? 1696 01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:50,240 No, I thought. I'm not sure. 1697 01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:53,560 It was, again, like I said, this is the album I've got the least 1698 01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,080 affinity to, I think because again, maybe because they broke 1699 01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:58,640 up again. Sure. 1700 01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:02,440 For us it broke the next day, as it were, you know, right. 1701 01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,320 Because I just. Wanted to go back to. 1702 01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,440 What you were saying, it's because it was always, you know, 1703 01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:09,080 they were always fighting, right? 1704 01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,840 They were always fighting. I think you just accepted they 1705 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,040 were going to fight, but it was never going to be anything 1706 01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,720 serious. And then, you know, obviously 1707 01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:18,960 this happened. And I remember, even though, 1708 01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,520 like I said, the last few albums and Dig Out Your soul at the 1709 01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:24,800 time, I never bought. But I've subsequently got a 1710 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,080 really nice version of it. Yeah, it kind of knocked me back 1711 01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,440 because I was thinking, no, but they're supposed to fight. 1712 01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,000 You know they're supposed to get on with it, right? 1713 01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:39,040 You see, I'm a Black Crows fan. I'm used to the band breaking up 1714 01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,640 for years at a time because the brothers are fighting. 1715 01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:45,160 I I'm used to that. So when Oasis broke up, and also 1716 01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:48,120 they'd had their fights before and they'd done their own thing. 1717 01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,960 So when I remember Oasis breaking up, I'm like, they'll 1718 01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:52,840 get back together in like a month or they'll get back to 1719 01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:54,760 them for years. I was not. 1720 01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:58,680 I was like, I guess Oasis are really broken up. 1721 01:27:58,760 --> 01:27:59,440 Yeah. Yeah. 1722 01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,800 So dig out Your soul comes out and. 1723 01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:10,880 This is an interesting. Album because it it it's just 1724 01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:16,640 it's nothing new. It it it's on that same 1725 01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:21,280 psychedelic track as Don't Believe the Truth or Heathen 1726 01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:25,920 Chemistry. It almost seems like Oasis or in 1727 01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:31,000 their new sound with this mix of like psychedelic Hard Rock, it's 1728 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,680 just the way this is Oasis you're going to be. 1729 01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:37,920 And you can argue The Beatles thing and that whole influence, 1730 01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:43,440 but it seems like such a depressing is the wrong word. 1731 01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:47,440 But it seems like such a yet like depressing album from a 1732 01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:51,000 band that if you followed from the early years and then you get 1733 01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:55,040 to dig out your soul and it's like all the happiness for these 1734 01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,640 guys drained away. That's I think that's fair. 1735 01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:01,520 Yeah, I think that's fair. It's probably, again, what I, I 1736 01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,920 was thinking at the time. It is definitely a marked 1737 01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:07,240 difference, you know, and I'm not saying a band can evolve 1738 01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:11,160 absolutely, but the fact that it is culminated with their 1739 01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:14,600 breakup, I think shows that it's not necessarily just a, an 1740 01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:18,680 evolution of sound. It's more of a, of an expression 1741 01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,840 of what's going on, right, right. 1742 01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:24,760 And. I think it was Duff Mckagan from 1743 01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:28,600 Guns and Roses who said when they covered Sympathy for the 1744 01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:32,800 Devil, Duff Mckagan said if you want to know what a band's 1745 01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:37,560 breaking up sounds like, go and listen to that song because it's 1746 01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,360 nothing like what Guns N' Roses would be, should be, or could 1747 01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:42,080 be. And I think that when a band is 1748 01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,160 going through a breakup or just about to break up and you listen 1749 01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:49,920 to the last song they release or the last album, it always sounds 1750 01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,960 fractured. It always sounds kind of manic 1751 01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,360 and it doesn't ever really sound like an album. 1752 01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,720 In in the throes. Of stability and I think Dig Out 1753 01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,440 Your Soul is that album for Oasis, you know, and because 1754 01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:05,560 they were looming on the edge of this tension and there was 1755 01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,840 tension between each other, they've been doing it for over 1756 01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,760 10 years by this point and they'd hit the peak and they 1757 01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,280 kind of declined. And then other like we had the 1758 01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:16,760 big wave of Indy come up like Coldplay, Kings Of Leon, stuff 1759 01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:20,560 like that. So Oasis's cache is being like 1760 01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:24,360 like Franz Ferdinand too. And I think Oasis's cache of 1761 01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:28,920 being like of a little like Brit pop band who blew up the world 1762 01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,880 had started, had been detracted. And then it had been kind of 1763 01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:35,440 made a mockery of because of Wonderwall and over the years 1764 01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:38,920 and it kind of considered stale. And the thousands wanted nothing 1765 01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,720 to do with the 90s because it was trying to reinvent itself 1766 01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,720 musically. And I think that to get your 1767 01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:48,400 soul gets caught in that unfortunate web of like a band 1768 01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:49,880 who were trying to hold together. 1769 01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:51,280 They weren't going to hold together. 1770 01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:56,080 And every like the fans really suffered because it's not an 1771 01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,680 album that you want it. It's not the best of Oasis on 1772 01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,480 that album, for sure. Yeah, I I think you're right. 1773 01:31:01,480 --> 01:31:03,920 I. Think as we said, right, they 1774 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:07,880 burst onto the scene and they took the world by surprise. 1775 01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:12,120 And the 2000s was a very different place, wasn't it from 1776 01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:15,160 the the mid 90s? Maybe they were band trapped, 1777 01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,840 you know, maybe no one wanted to start expressing himself, but 1778 01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,480 people just wanted that stadium, those stadium anthems, that 1779 01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:24,240 stadium rock. I mean, that's the thing, 1780 01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,240 sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. 1781 01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,120 Write with your, your, your innovate in it. 1782 01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,480 And you know, like we said right at the start, pick any band, 1783 01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:34,040 right? You could, you know, play a song 1784 01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:36,320 and I can tell you that, say an R.E.M. song or whatever. 1785 01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:39,040 But Oasis got criticised for being the same. 1786 01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,560 But then when they tried to to experiment, it was like, well, 1787 01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:46,160 that's not that's not Oasis. Now, you know, they also did 1788 01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:49,240 lose a couple of members. They went through a lot in those 1789 01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,240 last few albums. I think it's an interesting. 1790 01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:54,920 History, I think. And this was funny too, because. 1791 01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:59,600 I pitched this conversation to you about initially, I don't 1792 01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:04,000 know, a month and a half ago. And then about 3 weeks ago, 4 1793 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,520 weeks ago, you messaged me. You're like, hey, whatever your 1794 01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,960 energy you're bringing, keep it up because there's rumors that 1795 01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:13,360 Oasis are getting back together. And I was, and I told my 1796 01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,800 girlfriend, I told Alicia, I'm like, apparently there are 1797 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:18,680 rumors that Oasis are getting back together. 1798 01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:22,000 And then like a fool, I said I don't think it'll ever happen. 1799 01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:25,000 And then the next day it was Oasis reunion. 1800 01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,480 I'm like, oh, well, guess what we're spending money on? 1801 01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:31,360 And then, you know, the tour dates came out and I'm like, of 1802 01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,440 course they're not playing America fine. 1803 01:32:33,480 --> 01:32:35,600 Like, I think they will. I think they will. 1804 01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,480 I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm actually quite guided. 1805 01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:41,760 I always said if you know, I've said that I've not really gone 1806 01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:45,200 too many gigs and the main ones I've gone to are Oasis and two 1807 01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,280 Liam Gallagher ones, right? I always said you weren't under 1808 01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:50,800 Knowles high flying birds at. All you weren't into Knowles. 1809 01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,040 Do you know what? No, I didn't. 1810 01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:53,760 I. Didn't really get into high, 1811 01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,320 high flying birds and and again, no, I think it was that period 1812 01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:59,360 of time. So even BDI Liam's, you know 1813 01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,440 that that that one Abbie Dee with BDI, I didn't really get 1814 01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:05,600 that. But his solo stuff, I I think 1815 01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:09,720 was him back on top form. You know, I really I really love 1816 01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:11,640 his solo stuff. And I would never have thought 1817 01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:17,320 back in the early days that if they broke up, that Liam would 1818 01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:21,280 probably go on to the more success or be the more popular 1819 01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,560 one because it it was no right. And all the songs, right. 1820 01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,480 Yeah. I always said I would go back to 1821 01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:29,640 that. That would be the concert I 1822 01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:31,480 wanted to go to. And obviously we've just had the 1823 01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:34,880 Taylor Swift a time recording Taylor Swift ears tours. 1824 01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:38,320 And there's a colleague at work. She she went to that. 1825 01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,080 And I said to her, this is like my ears tour. 1826 01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,720 This, this is this is that I must get now. 1827 01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,120 Yeah, I was, I was, I was so gutted. 1828 01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:49,760 I I missed out on, well, I didn't get picked for the pre 1829 01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,080 sale. So then the next day, it was a 1830 01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:57,000 Saturday, I was in a queue for four hours just to get onto 1831 01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,520 Ticketmaster. And then I was, when I got on, I 1832 01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:06,440 was 280 thousandth in the queue. It took me about another 4 hours 1833 01:34:06,440 --> 01:34:08,120 to get through. And then by the time I did, it 1834 01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:11,080 was, I don't know if you heard all the Fiori, but they, they've 1835 01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:14,520 got the dynamic pricing and the tickets that were offered to me 1836 01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:16,960 were pretty much £500 each, which I couldn't do. 1837 01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:18,800 Sure. And I've tried to explain. 1838 01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,000 This to a few people because I was going to go see Aerosmith 1839 01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:25,000 and I was like looking for everywhere and I finally found a 1840 01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:26,840 set of tickets. I was like, I found a ticket and 1841 01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:30,560 I was like, yeah, but I've seen Aerosmith 7 times before. 1842 01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:32,840 So this was, I was like, OK, they're doing their buy tour, 1843 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,960 bought tickets. And then I was like, OK, I'm not 1844 01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,560 going to pay more than, I don't know, 500. 1845 01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:42,880 I can't do that because I've seen Aerosmith before. 1846 01:34:43,480 --> 01:34:45,320 I never saw her smoke in the 70s obviously. 1847 01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:49,520 But I know that they have a top value and like every band, and I 1848 01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,000 don't care if they're your favorite band or not, every 1849 01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,880 single band has a top dollar value. 1850 01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,200 I'm sorry Rodger Waters, you are not worth $5000. 1851 01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,120 You're you're not. Maybe if it was all of Pink 1852 01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:05,600 Floyd original members, maybe, but even then that's rough. 1853 01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:10,440 There is no band that is worth 5000 and depending on like a 1854 01:35:10,440 --> 01:35:13,760 band like Oasis or R.E.M., if R.E.M. ever get back together. 1855 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,280 And I'm saying that because if I can make Oasis get back 1856 01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,440 together, I want R.E.M. to get back together. 1857 01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:20,520 So if R.E.M. Get back together. 1858 01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,640 I know they have a top dollar too. 1859 01:35:23,480 --> 01:35:26,520 And yeah, I, I was, I was reading it all on Twitter, like 1860 01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,160 you were talking about it and a few other people I follow were 1861 01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,600 like talking about the the queue and I was watching Ticketmaster 1862 01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:36,480 just meltdown. I was like, this is this is bad. 1863 01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:38,800 I don't think anyone's going to get into this. 1864 01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:42,360 And then the people who were paying, you know, crazy amounts 1865 01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,400 of money. And I'm like, I as much as I 1866 01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:47,840 like Oasis, I don't know if they're worth that much, 1867 01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:51,880 especially the Oasis you're going to see now they're at the 1868 01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:54,280 Oasis you're thinking of then. Yeah. 1869 01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:55,320 And that's the thing, right? And. 1870 01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:57,800 I always say, look, you do you. If you're going to pay that, you 1871 01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,200 pay that. But you know, I was just looking 1872 01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:01,360 at that. I was thinking if I bought 2 1873 01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:03,440 tickets, that's a vacation somewhere. 1874 01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:06,080 That's a vacation. That's a house. 1875 01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:08,440 Payment. That's yeah, yeah, as you say. 1876 01:36:08,440 --> 01:36:11,120 Yeah, I mean, look, you know, I've seen Liam and I know he's, 1877 01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,600 if anything, I think his voice is is probably better now. 1878 01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:17,040 Look, it's a stadium concert. They do a concert, They don't do 1879 01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,080 a show, you know, so, so you know, we mentioned Taylor Swift. 1880 01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,440 Look, from by all accounts, she puts on a three hour show, 1881 01:36:22,440 --> 01:36:23,840 right? Yeah. 1882 01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:25,400 I just, I just couldn't. I just couldn't. 1883 01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,640 So yeah. And then last week they 1884 01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:30,160 announced some extra dates for those who didn't get them the 1885 01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:33,000 first time round, but I didn't get selected for that. 1886 01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:34,400 So again, it's just disappointment. 1887 01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:37,520 But you know, the way I see it, I'm actually kind of saying, 1888 01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:42,240 look, I saw them in 96. That was the, I think, the 1889 01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:44,960 moment to have seen them. Yes, I've seen Liam. 1890 01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,480 Twice and for my. Wife, she says to her anyway, 1891 01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:52,440 Oasis is Liam so we've kind of had the experience but right you 1892 01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,720 you've. Seen yeah, but if anyone's got 1893 01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:55,800 tickets at. Face value. 1894 01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:59,120 Let me know. Yeah, yeah, please. 1895 01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:04,400 Get Dan deserves to see Oasis 25 Dan deserves I'm holding out 1896 01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:06,560 they've. Said no, but I'm holding out 1897 01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:08,240 that they, well, you don't know, right? 1898 01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:09,200 You can just give. Them a call. 1899 01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:11,520 Well, yeah, Yeah, well. I'm going to say something else 1900 01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:15,760 shortly, which is about your life, but I'm holding out that 1901 01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:19,360 they'll do net worth in 26 because that will then be 30 1902 01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:22,800 years from the original. That would be a good. 1903 01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:24,440 That'd be a good. Anniversary tour. 1904 01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:26,000 But The funny thing I was going to. 1905 01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:30,400 Say is so I mentioned the first job I was at which had parallels 1906 01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,720 with Oasis, you know, because, you know, losing rugby made 1907 01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:37,240 redundant, etcetera. And at the time of recording 1908 01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:40,760 tomorrow night, I'm I'm actually meeting up with some people from 1909 01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:43,240 there because it's like, I think it's now it's like 20 years or 1910 01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:45,960 whatever since we we went there. So we're going out for dinner 1911 01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:48,960 and one of the. Things that you know, I. 1912 01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:50,440 Remember, and it caught me off guard. 1913 01:37:50,440 --> 01:37:54,120 I, I remember seeing a story about Liam a few years ago and 1914 01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:56,000 it was talking about his girlfriend. 1915 01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:00,520 The name rang a bell and he's, well, I think it's his wife now. 1916 01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:05,240 And, and manager I worked with at that first company years ago. 1917 01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:06,960 She worked, she worked at that company. 1918 01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:10,360 She came in as, as I think she may have been a temp or she was 1919 01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:13,400 very new and she worked in the same area as my wife. 1920 01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:16,520 And, you know, and it's one of those things, you know, that 1921 01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,280 obviously you lose touch and, and things change. 1922 01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:22,040 But yeah, I'm just sticking up, you know? 1923 01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:23,760 She was up to the dinner tomorrow. 1924 01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:26,320 If only we'd. Still be in touch. 1925 01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:27,920 Touch. If only we still be in touch. 1926 01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:28,920 But yeah, I remember. Yeah. 1927 01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,280 It's funny because, you know, she was such a nice person. 1928 01:38:31,480 --> 01:38:34,920 So this whole podcast. Is just a giant PSA be nice to 1929 01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,320 your temps. Yeah, they don't know who they. 1930 01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:42,080 Are or well, the motto I live by is always be nice to everyone 1931 01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:43,640 that you you, you make. But yeah, no. 1932 01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:47,760 So it was just again, it was another funny link to Oasis and 1933 01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,280 how it's kind of always been part of my life for the last 1934 01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:52,560 sort of 30 years. Yeah. 1935 01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:54,120 In what? Yeah, in one way or. 1936 01:38:54,120 --> 01:39:02,280 Another, you have been weirdly connected to Oasis in an A 1937 01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:03,960 direct way. Yeah. 1938 01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:05,080 And that's that's what I was going. 1939 01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:08,640 To say look, you know, to sum it up for me, again, were they the 1940 01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:10,960 most original band? No, what you know. 1941 01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:15,400 But again, originality is, is subjective. 1942 01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:20,040 And give it a try, you know, listen to those besides listen 1943 01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:23,600 to the compilations, you know. And I think it's harsh when 1944 01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:27,000 people say they didn't change because they did, but I just 1945 01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:28,720 don't think people accepted it at the time. 1946 01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:32,000 I wonder if nowadays it would have been more of an audience 1947 01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,400 for it. I don't know, I think now if. 1948 01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:35,880 More people were willing to go back. 1949 01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,600 I think Dig Out Your Soul would be considered a better album 1950 01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:41,000 than what it was at the time. Yeah, I think so. 1951 01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:42,120 Yeah. Well, thank you for. 1952 01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:43,640 Making me. Go down memory lane. 1953 01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:48,440 Yeah, No, this was I, I. I had a goal and mission 1954 01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:51,000 accomplished. I love that like we were able to 1955 01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:55,880 walk through your life with Oasis and I think it's awesome 1956 01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,240 that you guys see like I didn't know you saw the net with that's 1957 01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:00,480 been great. That's like that's an iconic 1958 01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:04,720 concert. It's up there with like U2's Zoo 1959 01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:08,120 TV tour in Australia, you know, like, and that was my. 1960 01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:10,680 First concert. That was my first gig as well. 1961 01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:12,800 It's such a good concert, that is. 1962 01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:14,680 Such a good concert. That's a good first. 1963 01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:19,360 My first is so lackluster compared but. 1964 01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:21,800 But but they will have a meaning, right? 1965 01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:25,520 And like I said, it's that's why if they could do net worth in 1966 01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,240 two years time, that would be fate and that would mean I'm 1967 01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:31,720 getting the tickets for that. I think that's what they Noel, 1968 01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,120 if you're hearing. This your friend Dan. 1969 01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:38,200 You met him once in Sorrento. I was polite to you. 1970 01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:39,840 Yeah, he was. Polite to you? 1971 01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:42,520 Please send him a ticket to him and his lovely wife. 1972 01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:44,840 They they they'd love to see you again. 1973 01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:48,280 Oh dear. Well, look. 1974 01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:50,640 I think it's been a great conversation. 1975 01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:53,760 I know as soon as I press stop on this, I'm going to remember a 1976 01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:55,600 couple of stories. I probably should have shouted 1977 01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,600 out to you. I think you said it, but what's 1978 01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:00,680 your Oasis? And it's what's the story? 1979 01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:03,200 Morning, Lord. Like it's from my youth, it's 1980 01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:07,960 the tape that got played the most, and it's the album I have 1981 01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:11,360 the fondest memories of. In the same way that Like Dirt 1982 01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:16,200 from Alice In Chains is up there, the fun loving criminals 1983 01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:19,560 is up there. The Beastie Boys, it was just a 1984 01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:23,720 tape that got played a lot. And the people that my mom 1985 01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:27,120 worked with because she was an I was an only child and she was a 1986 01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:31,600 single mother. So it was like, well, I have I 1987 01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:33,120 have to be able to take Griffin with me. 1988 01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,920 And sometimes mom's Co workers were younger. 1989 01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:39,120 So while mom was getting me hooked into the B50 twos, the 1990 01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:44,120 Sex Pistols, the Ramones, her Co workers were getting me into 1991 01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:50,560 Primus, Danish Nails Ministry, Oasis, Jane's Addiction, Primus, 1992 01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:55,640 So Faith No More. And there are just some albums 1993 01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,240 and bands that I remember from those keystone moments in my 1994 01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:02,600 youth where I'm like, that's the 90s to me and what's the story? 1995 01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:04,720 Morning Glory. Throughout the years, I've seen 1996 01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:07,440 people, you know, talking about Oasis and I saw them become a 1997 01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:10,120 mega band and then I saw them break up and I lived through all 1998 01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:14,680 that and I remember like, say what you will, but what's the 1999 01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:16,400 story? Morning Glory is a really hard 2000 01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:19,000 album to beat. I feel the same way about Octane 2001 01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,840 Baby from U2. Like I, I love that album. 2002 01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:25,040 I, I like you too, you know, up and down the, the albums they 2003 01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,200 have. But Octane baby, I think is an 2004 01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:29,720 album that if more people sat down and listened to it, they'd 2005 01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:32,560 be like, oh, This is why they're as big as they are. 2006 01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:35,920 God, I understand now. Well, if they do. 2007 01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:40,080 Tour the States and if they tour near you and you fancy going, 2008 01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:41,960 let me know if you are going to go, let me know if you've got a 2009 01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:46,680 spare room and most definitely, most definitely. 2010 01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:50,280 Most definitely we will have you guys come on over. 2011 01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:52,960 We're near Austin, which is a big concert stage. 2012 01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:57,160 So you know, it's it's then we can do a live podcast in person. 2013 01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,560 We can live stream the concert. There you go. 2014 01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:01,800 There you go. And do our own bootleg as well 2015 01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:08,960 then. Yeah, the re, the reboot leg, 2016 01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:11,000 Oasis concert. There you go. 2017 01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:13,120 We'll all sit for the name asking reboots. 2018 01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:14,920 Yeah, there you go. Look, I have. 2019 01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:17,600 To say thank you very, very much, because it's not often I 2020 01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,840 get to talk about something like that for as long as I have. 2021 01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:23,640 And yeah, it's definitely brought back a lot of good 2022 01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:25,800 memories. So yeah, firstly, thank you for 2023 01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:27,280 that. I have to get you back on the 2024 01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:28,480 show. Like I said, I think you're 2025 01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:30,640 just, you're just incredible to speak to you. 2026 01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:32,840 Yeah, We're going to get you on for more about you, though. 2027 01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:34,640 You see, you've turned the tables. 2028 01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:36,440 That's it. That's that's your one and you 2029 01:43:36,440 --> 01:43:40,280 get that one. Who was the other one to turn 2030 01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:42,480 the tables? Game Club Pod and. 2031 01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:46,000 They did a sub series called between two pods where they 2032 01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:47,760 would interview, Oh yes, the podcast. 2033 01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:50,040 And so yeah, I was, I was on actually I've been on that 2034 01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:52,880 twice. So yeah, let's say done that. 2035 01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:54,840 Get me twice. Yeah, that's it. 2036 01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:56,280 That's it. You've you've had your one. 2037 01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,480 But yeah, before you go, do you just want it again? 2038 01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:00,760 Do you just want to shout out your your twitch stream and 2039 01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:04,680 anything else that you want to shout out where you can Sure yes 2040 01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:06,320 so. You can find the official 2041 01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:11,240 podcast, the Reboot Deboot podcast on Stitcher, good pods, 2042 01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:16,080 Apple Anchor, wherever podcasts live, and that is a movie review 2043 01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:20,080 podcast where my friend and I watch movies and their remakes 2044 01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,080 and reboots and then we discuss them side by side, analyze them, 2045 01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:25,800 compared and contrast them. If you're interested in me more 2046 01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:30,680 personally, I stream on Twitch at Twitch TV slash The Renegade 2047 01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:33,360 Jester and I'm on there every Monday through Thursday, 2048 01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:37,080 sometimes Fridays, sometimes Saturdays and I mainly play 2049 01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:39,320 video games. I'm going to start doing cooking 2050 01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:43,160 streams. I have a few ideas for ID host 2051 01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:47,600 writers rooms on there too and then the self published books 2052 01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:53,160 which I will give my gracious code host Dan here the links to 2053 01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:55,640 and you guys can read those if you're interested. 2054 01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:59,040 Yeah, and also. If you haven't, go back to 2055 01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,400 listen to the mindwipe episode, and I'll probably link that as 2056 01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:04,600 well because that is just such a great listen to that Griffin 2057 01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:07,320 appeared on. So look, Griffin, thank you 2058 01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:10,440 again and thank you for entertaining me with talking 2059 01:45:10,440 --> 01:45:14,080 about this for so long. I will end by saying, yeah, so 2060 01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:16,280 you're listening to me so you know where to hear the pod. 2061 01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:19,680 But if you want to get hold of me, or you want to suggest a 2062 01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:23,440 theme or you want to appear on a mindwipe or a dinner party or do 2063 01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:25,640 something like this, you want to do you want to grill me about 2064 01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:28,520 one of my other passions or likes like Griffin has? 2065 01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:32,440 Yeah, just search for Casting Views across all social media. 2066 01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:36,640 And I will see you next time for another episode of Casting Views 2067 01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:41,600 if I want your opinion. I will give. 2068 01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:44,680 It. To you.