Hello and welcome to another episode of Casting Views.
And I hesitated for a second because I was going to say an
unusual episode of Casting Views, and I'll get on to that
in a second. But first I want to introduce my
guests. So it's a return for Griffin
from the Reboot to Deboot podcast.
So hi Griffin, how are you doing?
Hey, how are you? I'm very good, pleased to have
you back on. I've had a number of comments
about your appearance on my show.
So you came on and did a mind work, didn't you?
Yes, for me. And firstly, it was the first
time we'd spoken and it was just such a, an entertaining chat.
And yeah, I'd had a number of people sort of come back to me
and say, yeah, kind of like the passion you were showing for
some of the things you were talking about really shone
through. So we, you know, or, or I've
been looking at wanting to get you back on.
So I'm going to get you on for a dinner party episode.
I want to get you on for some normal episodes.
And I'm also, I kind of hesitated because I'll let
people into a secret here. So you approached me, didn't
you, about the idea for this episode.
And I then agreed, but completely got the wrong end of
the stick. So so you wanted to talk about
Oasis, but almost grill me on my podcast.
But I thought it was going to be on your podcast.
And then like I said, I was I was driving home today and I was
thinking he's a movie podcast. Am I, am I sure I'm.
I'm appearing on this. So yeah.
Well, we'll go into that as well.
So you can you can explain the theory behind the episode.
But firstly, let's talk about you.
So how, how have things been for you since you you were last on
the show? Well. 1st, that mind wipe was
fantastic. I, I had a blast.
It was just great. And I had a few people actually
like reached out to, out to me through on Twitter and on Twitch
and they're just like, just listen to the mind wipe.
It was a really good and I'm like, hey, thank you.
But yeah, aside from that, though, things have been going
good. Just doing the streaming stuff,
keep growing, you know, building this little empire of art that
I'm teetering the top of. I have some other ideas going
forward for some future streams. So that's going to be fun.
I want to do like a paint stream, but I don't know how to
paint. So I figured that there's a, I'm
not sure if it's a rumor or how historically accurate it is, but
I remember hearing something about how Picasso in his later
years would carry around a revolver filled with paint
rounds and he would shoot people in the street and they would get
hit with like an explosion of paint.
And I'm like, man, Picasso is kind of a Dick.
But at the same time I'm like, what if I did that on a canvas?
Like what if I did that on a full size canvas at A at a
distance? So I'm toying around with this
idea and I want to do 12 paint canvases with all munitions and
then I want to donate them to an art gallery or something and
have it be 1 for each month. Literally performance art then.
Yeah, yeah, that would be, you know, cooking streams and stuff
like that. And then the podcast we've kind
of hit a slow point because Co host Alex, he is currently
vacationing with family. So he's like, we got to, we,
we're going to skip a couple of weeks because I, I got to go
here and then I have to go here and I'm like, take all the time
you need. It's really informal.
Anyway, so we're, we're kind of in a little bit of a hiatus,
right? Now and again, I'll put the
links in the show notes, but people can can still get more of
you from the books you've published, self published and
your Twitch stream, right? So keep keep eyes on that.
Yeah. And potentially what you're
going to create on these canvases.
So yeah, keep keep us updated on that.
Definitely. Yeah, you're going to be only
the second person I think that's ever turned the tables on me.
And I've always said that I'm always glad to be this side of
the microphone. But it's all come flooding back
to me that, yeah, you wanted to kind of turn the tables.
So talk to me about what your what your thought was for this
epic sake. So during my mind wipe, we came
across that you have a love for Oasis.
And, you know, I, I love music. It's one of my big like passions
that I really care about. And I love when I find out.
Like I love when I, when people talk about music they like too.
And you can tell the difference between someone who just, yeah,
I like music and someone who's like, no, I love this band.
And I'm like, that's what I'm talking about.
So when you were like, I saw your eyes kind of flicker a
little bit at the mention of Oasis, and then you're like,
yeah, they're my favorite band. And I'm like, it always amazes
me when because music is such an emotional and evocative thing
for people, it, you know, it transcends years and events and
it's always there and in some way favorite form.
So when someone has a favorite band, I'm always interested to
know, like, why are they your favorite band?
Have you ever seen them one of these albums mean to you?
Because also, anyone can listen to an album.
Anyone can listen to a band. But I found that with people who
who have like when they're talking about their favorite
band, they resonate to the music in a way that not most people
do. Like they have a, like they have
a, a special understanding of, oh, this one album has this one
lyric. And at this time, it meant the
world and world, this entire song and the way it was
constructed. And usually if you're a fan like
that, you also start doing research on how the album was
produced or where the band were at in their lives.
And you start to get these this understanding of what it took to
make this album that has a special play in your heart.
And I know Oasis have had some turmoil over the years
internally. So for you to be an Oasis fan,
I'm like, oh, this has got to be a gold mine of like musical
evolution and personal growth. Because also Oasis weren't just
writing throw away lyrics, you know?
And that's one of the things I will always be a defender of
them. And I'm sure we'll, we'll
discuss this. Their lyrics aren't necessarily,
you know, people will look down on their lyrics.
People will look down on the chords, you know, or the
simpleness. But I don't see what a problem
with that is. People keep saying, oh, that,
that all the songs sound the same.
But then you tell me how many bands really do reinvent
themselves for every album. And I I will always challenge
that their songs sound the same because they do do some very
different. There's always some comedy songs
as well as some sort of ballads, some love songs as well as what
they're they're known for. And you know, The Beatles
accusation, well, they've never shield away from that.
And again, show me, show me another band who hasn't got an
influence from someone in the past.
So yeah, I've got some thoughts on this as well.
But I mean, we found out about you in your previous appearance
set, you know, you've got a very British sort of streak to you as
well sort of through your upbringing.
So what about you with Oasis? Were they a band that featured
in your upbringing or or your? Your history, should I say.
So I I want to address the comment first about like the
same. Every song sounds the same or
it's the same chord progression. No one complained about ACDC.
No one complained about Status Quo.
So that there's that argument like didn't status Quo make an
album called searching for the 4th chord?
Like so I like it's if it works, keep doing it.
You know, if it if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
And there's some man's who can get away with that.
But I also think you can have your detractors with Oasis and a
lot of their music. But when you get to Noel
Gallagher as a songwriter, the conversation becomes a little
more serious. And I think when So when I was a
kid, I, you know, my mom was a huge music fan and I remember
definitely maybe. And what's the story Morning
Glory beyond being on a heavy rotation in the mid to late 90s?
I like very distinctly remember Don't Look back in Anger as like
a very formative song in that time along like same thing with
like Alice In Chains, 9 inch Nails, Primus mother Love bone.
Like it was just that thing and Oasis happened.
You know they were right there. So for me, if I talk about then
how I got introduced to them, so obviously being in England at
the time, it was right to start so for me.
Were you mad for it? Yeah.
Well, do you know, The funny thing is, if you knew me at that
time, that age, I was totally the opposite of being mad for
it, you know? So I was at school.
So what was their debut album? I think was 94, Right so.
So yes, definitely maybe hit shelves April 1994.
Yes. So I was 17, no April.
So I would have been sorry, 16. So I remember being in so at
school here in the UK. So you've got your kind of like
your upper schools. So that's well it was then, I
don't know what it is now, but it was between say the ages of
11 and 15. And then at that point you could
either stay on for a couple more years to do what we call A
levels or you could go to college, etcetera.
And so I stayed on at my school to do A levels.
And yeah, when this is a complete diversion.
But when you're doing A levels, you're kind of, and I'm doing
the quotes to you. But for everyone at home, you're
treated more as an adult, as they say.
And so you get, there's a, you get a room like a common room
where you can chill out between the classes, right between
lessons. I remember coming into into that
room one day and there was a again, for all the young ones
out there. We had a tape player, sure.
And a guy, a friend of mine, he had an album, he had a tape, So
a cassette tape. And I don't know if you remember
back in the day, the cassette tapes, you'd get the inlays and
you could, the bands would normally put like the lyrics or
photos and you'd fold it out and, and I said, Oh, what's
that? And he goes, oh, it's, it's a
band called Oasis. So I'll be honest, I it's not
like I was day one waiting for that album's release.
And I remember him playing it and I, I just got hooked
straight away on on that guitar, you know, that kind of that rock
sound and that at the time that rawness of the guitar.
Now, you know what I'll say is, and at some point next year I'm
actually going to do a month on Brit pop.
So I might get you on for that. Stone Roses, Blur, Oasis, like
it's that yeah, it's it because in the 90s, at the same time
America was going through a massive grunge movement.
England though, you guys had this wave of like, it's called
Britpop, but it, if you're unfamiliar with the term, it
isn't it's it's alternative music.
It's it's what you could comfortably call alternative
music. But there was a definite like
shoegazy great to it that was like, we're leaving the 80s
behind us and this is our 90s alternative scene.
And it was Blur, Stone Roses and Oasis, I think, definitely
spearheaded that movement further.
Yeah, I mean, I was big into the indie scene.
I loved all those bands. And as you said, yeah, Brit pop
is probably a bit of a misnomer of a description because it
wasn't often pop. It was like rock and as you
said, alternative. Now, what I would say is most of
the the bands at the time, the artists at the time were been
trying to work out today how to to call them.
But it was quite thoughtful music.
It was almost a lot of it like you had Blur, you had Suede, who
were quite their music was almost, I want to say like
cinematic, if if you know what I mean.
It was like very orchestral, very sweeping.
And then Blur came, Blur, Oasis came along and we're just, we
play the guitars and we sing loud and, and we're going to do
it. Well, do you know what I mean?
There's no pretence with them. There's no pretentiousness, even
though there was this swagger and this attitude, which, yeah,
we'll speak about. I think that's another thing
that I found refreshing about it because they did sound different
to, to the rationale. Some of these may mean something
to some people, but like, yeah, we had Elastica.
She had 7 menswear which she said were like that very
shoegazy for that, for that term.
Even Ash who who I love as well, kind of a bit more of the Rock,
but also a little bit the Ash dude.
There's light that never goes out.
Wasn't that ash? Well, the main album, yeah, 1977
sad like Kung Fu Girl from Mars, Angel Interceptor.
It was really the first album I was I was probably more more
into. But then also, you know, we had
the scene, the scene like, you know, it's not they won't be
cast under Britpop, but in the 90s.
Well, we had Prodigy, who I'm still a huge fan of as well.
Just like for me, I think where Prodigy was that rawness, that
sound that that does. And yeah, and I think Liam was a
genius in terms of his sampling. I just thought these two
brothers, they came along like I said, no, no airs, no pretence.
There's no where artists and this and that.
They just said no, we're going to we're going to play songs
that are going to Rock You. Do you know what I mean?
It it. It's interesting because that's
exactly what was happening here in the 90s, but with the grunge
movement, it like we had new wave, you know, we had Flock of
Seagulls and aha and then you had the hair metal, you had
Poison Rat a little like towards like 90s, you had Warrant with
Cherry Pie. And then out of nowhere, you get
Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Nirvana.
And they are so aesthetically different in their songs and
their songwriting and in their sound that it's we're leaving
behind the glam and glitter, we're leaving behind the fast
cars, we're leaving behind the women, we're leaving behind the
drugs. We're going to just talk about
alienation. We're going to talk about our
depression, and we're going to talk about what matters in our
shitty little apartments. And it would be interesting that
to again across the pond, it was the same sentiment expressed in
two different ways. I think that's it.
I think, I think I was going to say a lot of the bands at the
time, and again, I don't mean this in too much of A derogatory
way, but were very pretty bands, if you know what I mean.
They, they, they were there and they, they were quite stylised.
As I said, they were just two boys from Manchester who wanted
to, to be the biggest singer. And that's the other thing, you
know, love it or loathe it, a lot of bands, you know, try to
be humble or try to be, I know what, you know, we're here for
the music. They just wanted to be the
biggest band in the world at the time, right?
And again, you know, I, I, I think you've got to respect that
because that they, they wanted to be the band that everyone
talks about, right? So Definitely maybe was recorded
February 1993. It was released August 29th,
1994. When you so the first time you
heard that album, you were doing your A levels.
You were 16. Do you remember what your
initial like? Did you go out and buy the tape
afterwards? Did you start asking around?
Did you borrow the tape from your friend?
Where did you go from that moment?
Did you listen to the entire tape there?
Yeah, I did and I bought the tape straight away.
This was back in again back in the day where, you know, you had
your High Street shops that did stock like the top 4050 albums
of the day and you had to, well, you had to have physical media.
So, yeah, I remember buying it and, and like I said, I kind of
was that person that poured over every detail on the inlay, you
know, opening it up, looking at the pictures and it's not the
most, you know, the, the the cover is them in that living
room, right? And it's not the most, it's a
very simple picture, but there's it's got those details that make
you keep wanting to look at it. It's also because, I mean, it's
the way Guy Ritchie made his first two movies.
It's very washed out and high lit.
If you look at the definitely, maybe it's the band in that
little living room Knowles laying down.
Or is it Liam, one of the brothers is laying down and the
whole thing is super washed out and it looks like a it looks
like the new phase of modern art, like it looks like
something Andy Warhol would have created.
You know, it has this very high concept with simple design
theory to it. And then if you watch again,
like Lock Stock and Two Smoke and Barrels or Snatch, Guy
Ritchie almost emulates that with his high washout movies,
you know? And again, I will say they're
simple covers even. We'll talk about what's the
story Morning Glory with the blurred picture of the two
people walking down the street and be here now, which has just
got a plethora of things going on, on that cover, right.
You know, the swimming pool, the bike, the car.
I think it's a rose, isn't it, in the in the swimming pool?
Yeah. It's again, they've got enough
just to keep the interest going. So they're not saying they're
artists or breaking that 4th or whatever, but they are just
giving you enough to draw your attention into it.
And as I said, I think it was just hearing that raw guitarness
because I, as I said, I was into the indie scene and it, you
know, it was guitar driven, but it was just like I said, the
just felt like it was amped up on definitely maybe it felt raw.
It felt dirty, almost like a dirty sound.
Do you have any favorite tracks from Definitely Maybe?
I will say here that it's definitely, definitely, maybe
it's definitely one. It's an album that I can listen
to first track to last track without skipping.
That's for me, that's a sign of a great album.
But for me it's it's Live Forever and Supersonic.
Those well Live Forever Supersonic and Slide Away I I
would say are my stand up ones. OK, it's all solid, all really
solid choices. And for a debut album, it is.
It's interesting trying to talk about definitely maybe an Oasis,
considering where they're at now and considering how everyone
like their, everyone considers Oasis, you know, But talking
about it as if the other albums and if the legacy wasn't
established, trying to go, oh, I mean, it's good for a first
album because they're just a little indie band and they were
able to do that. But yeah, they were just a
little indie band and they were able to do that.
Like it's quite an accomplishment.
And if you think the Net Worth gig came after just their second
album, the speed at which they achieved that fame and that that
level of success is to me what's phenomenal.
And again, you can't take that away from them.
There's that. It might.
Is it net worth where it's a concert footage?
I'm pretty sure it's got to be net with.
And Liam is there and he's like shaking cables and he's yelling
are you mad for it? Right into the camera and he's
got his John Lennon glasses on. I'm not sure if it's net worth,
it might be they did a few at like the Manchester before that
it could be there like. He's in like, like, like a
velvet or like suede purple or dark blue jacket.
And he just looks young and he looks so energetic, but he's
also just so above arrogant in that moment because he knows
that right now they're on top of the world, you know?
Yeah, and also one thing I will say especially about the early
days, because what what I'll say is for me, the first three
albums are Pico ASIS, right? And I remember kind of not
falling away, but the following albums and and then I think it
was standing on the Shoulder of Giants.
I really enjoyed that. Then I kind of thought it, you
know, life and stuff gets in the way and I remember at the time
thinking I didn't enjoy them as much.
But over the years I've realised that I think every album of
theirs I think is a great album but it nothing could replace you
know, and I say it the meteoric rise of, of the first two
albums, especially now. The other thing I will say about
them is, you know this was in a time as well where an album
would get released and a band would release usually 4 singles
and so you would buy the singles as well and the singles would
often have a couple of songs now.
Oasis were and released and yeah.
Yeah. Now Oasis were one of the bands
were often, and this sounds negative, but it's not the B
sides were often better than some of the songs that were on
the album. And it's incredible that they
would do that, they would keep those as B sides.
And it's usually, I mean, that comes down to like an A&R man
being like, I can't call on the album, it's going to make it too
long or try and save that and we can turn it into another hit
somewhere down the line. And then the album comes out and
then, OK, well, what are you going to do with these 5 tracks
that we have? Stick them on the single and put
a B side. Yeah, I mean, half the world
away was AB side, fade away was AB side.
The master plan was AB side. You know, these these are these
are probably songs that are in people's top 10 Oasis songs,
right? And and they and they were B
sides. Rocking chair for me, I think
was on roll with it. Again, one of my favorite songs
that is, was AB side. And it's like some people may
never have heard these songs if they just bought the album.
So again, it's like, I would say maybe not the confidence, but it
just shows the level of output they were doing at the time,
especially in the early days. How many songs that Noel
especially had in his head that he, you know, he, he was able to
get out and record like that? I, I think it was, I think it
was just phenomenal. So definitely, maybe it was
August 1994. Dan, where were you while we
were getting high because October 1995 would bring us
what's the story, Morning Glory. So did you ever see Oasis?
You weren't. You bought the tape you bought
Definitely Maybe. Did you ever see them on the
Definitely Maybe Tour at all? No, no.
So, but I wasn't net worth 96, which we'll obviously come on
to, but there's between definitely maybe and what's
story morning glory. There is something else that I
need to say there. So so I turned 18 in 95, OK.
And me and my family went to Italy.
Now normally because my family are Italian and we would
normally go to our family over there.
But this year or that year, sorry, we went to another place.
We said instead of going to see family, we're going to go to we
went to Sorrento. We did a week there.
And while I was in there, while I was there in the hotel, I've
made friends with some other British teens that were there at
the time. Sure, I had my Oasis tape with
me because you know, we all had our Walkmans back then and I was
listening to it and I remember we went to a, a bar one night
and I'll never get it because it was, it was called Chaplains
even though it was in Italy, it was called Chaplains Pub.
I, I was sitting with my back to the bar.
There was three of us and there was 3 opposite.
And one of them says to me, oh, do you like Oasis?
I said, well, let me tell you this, you know, I said, when we
get back to Total, I'll give you the album.
And he and I said, why? And he goes, because the guy
behind us, on the table behind us looks like Noel from Oasis.
So I thought, oh, I was expected to turn around, see somebody
that looked nothing like him, right, Turned round.
I thought, bloody hell, that's him.
That's Noel. And they were saying no it can't
be, why would it be you? And I said no, it's no.
And then there was like 6 of us 18 year old Brits, you know,
sort of pointing and giggling at him and sort of like that.
And I then started feeling a bit uncomfortable because he's there
with his girlfriend at the time having a drink and we all finish
ours and they get up to go. And I said I can't leave without
knowing that him or not. And The thing is, right.
The other thing to know about me is, you know, at the time I
liked talking to people, but I was actually quite as shy.
I was quite an introvert at the time.
And so I said, right, I'm going over.
So I went to go over. I turned around and the other
people, they'd all run out. They were too embarrassed that
they'd left me alone in there, right?
So I went up to him and I said, look, I said, look, I'm really
sorry. I know we've been pointing and
and pretended to take pictures of ourselves, you know, because
these were again, in the day before the smartphone, right?
So we like cameras taking pictures.
You had the wheat and shoot plastic like wooden camera,
Yeah. Yeah.
And what we were trying to do was pretend to take a photo of
one of us, but at the last second quickly turn it right,
which meant all the photos were ruined, right.
But that's that's another thing. And also like the flash too,
that is. Really.
So I said to her, I, I went over and I said, look, I'm really
sorry, but no, right. And he sort of smiled and
laughed and, and look, the reason I also knew it was him
because his girlfriend at the time, because as it is now, even
back then, husbands, wives, girlfriends, boyfriends were
just as big news as the the celebrity, right?
And I recognised her and I said, look, I said, I just want to say
look, obviously huge fan. And he goes, do you want a
picture? And I said, yeah, all right, So
I saw his, his girlfriend moved and I said, yeah, all right, do
you mind moving sort of thing something how rude.
So he said, no, do you want to do you have a picture?
And and so I finished, I I sat between him.
The other people then saw this. They came running back in.
And yeah, so I, I can say I had a drink with Noel because I'd,
I'd finished the drink. And to this day though, right, I
only had one picture that came out and I can't find it for the
life meal. I can't find it.
I know I should have framed it, but I've moved houses a number
of times. I've got his autograph because I
did have weirdly again, because back in the day you didn't have
a smartphone, so phone numbers and stuff like that, you were
either little or something. I had a.
Phone book, Yeah, I had a little phone book.
Like I got him to sign that and so I've still got that.
You encountered Noel like 94 to 90?
That is an awesome encounter. And you know, because he was
saying, I said, oh, look, what's what's next?
What's next? And he said, oh, the album's
coming out in a few months time. And yeah, it's just that will
always be something. Obviously, I'll, I'll, I'll
remember because it was just such a chance, chance happening.
And and like, that is him. That is him.
And then they all ran out and left me.
They left you, but, you know, I mean, it worked out, right?
Yeah. Like they left you.
And as you were walking out, they were like, and you're like,
yeah, have a drink. He's a nice guy.
Something's coming out like. But but yes.
So now it's always a when when we do Ice Breakers.
Yeah. I've had to drink with No Yeah,
yeah, yeah. No, I like the first name and
implication. Yeah, yeah.
Me and all that was Sorento 95 and it's fine.
So back to your question. So this is a thing now.
So buying these albums as well, then is and and again, pun not
intended, but is is a bit of a blur.
And I think it would have been CDs then definitely maybe was
definitely accept. But then from then on, it was it
was CDs. The era of the CD had more or
less killed tapes. Yeah, and for me, what's the
story? Morning Glory then just proper
amped up or really cemented the fact that yeah, we, this is our
sound. And whether it's a better album
than the first or not, you can debate because I think the first
album has got that roar of sound.
This is much more slick, much more produced album I think.
I mean, and yeah, like champagne supernova in all of its like 7
1/2 minutes of glory. And I know every like if you say
Oasis, the first thing people think of I know is Wonderwall
also on what's the sorting? And you don't look back in anger
and the swamp song or like I I I get it.
No, like you have, you have the capability.
So when, when, what's the story came out, I'm assuming right now
you would listen to definitely maybe down to the bones and you
had to buy a new copy because the older 1 was just destroyed
for how much you listen to it. So when what's the story comes
out? What were you hoping for?
Were you hoping for more of the same?
Were you like, did you hear it first on the radio or were you
like day one in a store buying it, racing home to put it on?
And where were you at in your life when What's the story came
out? So what's the story was?
What do we say? It was 95, wasn't it so.
October 2nd, 1995. October 2nd, 95 S then I would
have just turned 18. Yeah, I probably at that point
finished yeah, I would have finished school and went to my
two years at college then were probably two of the best years
of my, I would say my youth, because school is one of those
things you just have to get through right.
Whereas college then it's a different atmosphere, it's far
more relaxed and you can pick and choose who you who you kind
of talk to as it were. But but obviously music is one
of those things that you're you're constantly talking about.
And I just remember falling in with a group of people that were
very similar tastes as well, but it was still even them probably
or my friends were probably a bit more American biased.
So you know, they were more into the the rock like The Smashing
Pumpkins, etcetera. The alternate alternative seems
like Jans. Addiction Smashing Pumpkins.
Yeah. And even for me, I mean, Nirvana
obviously still was, you know, loomed big at the time as well
in terms of their legacy. But yeah, I remember being at
college being a bit more sort of outgoing at the time.
But in terms of what I wanted, yeah, I think at the time I
wanted more of the same. But I was quite pleased to hear
that they had evolved a little bit like in the sense of like,
like I said, Champagne Supernova I think for me is probably the
best track on that just because it is that really trippy 7
minute, you know, just lie down, lie back and just close your
eyes and just hear that. And, and I Remember Me, me and a
friend, we would go to the pub on a Thursday night, whatever it
was, probably because it was a cheap night.
Then we'd stick a, we'd stick a couple of quid in the jukebox,
we'd stick a couple of kids in the jukebox and we would always
pick the longest songs to get the most money.
Yeah. And champagne supernova.
Was always on there as well because it's 7 1/2 minutes long,
right? But you know, even that, like I
remember my wife at the time I've, I've kind of turned her
into a massive Oasis fan. But Champagne Supernova was that
sort of song that she liked as well.
Because it's just that layer and layer and of that, that music
just kind of washes over you, doesn't it?
And it just kind of hypnotizes you.
It's also deceptive. Because when you first hear to
the like, if you've never heard Champion Supernova, the first
time you listen to it, you're going to think, oh, this is such
a pretty beautiful song. The composition is night.
It's like a nice sweet little ballad.
But then if you really get into the lyrics, it's really
depressing, like. It really.
Is a goodbye to youth. It really is.
Like it's almost a remembrance for the times that we had it.
It's almost like Stand by Me or American Graffiti.
Like you can't go back and the entire thing is draped in drug
use and excess but like the depression that it causes or
like the friends that you lose away because of that lifestyle
and coupled within how like pretty the song sounds, you have
this beautiful melody for like this is one of the most tragic
and beautiful pieces of music that was created.
It's also strange for like a Brit pop band or like an indie
band to come out with a 7 minute juggernaut of a song like that.
That's something from the, you know, like Zeppelin would do a 7
minute song. Queen would do a 7 minute song,
Hocus Pocus, Jethro Tull. You don't have a band in the 90s
doing like some prog rock juggernaut that just doesn't
seem to end. And out of nowhere Oasis.
No was like, no, I'm I, we're going to.
I had a second. Their second album.
Right. Yeah, their second album to have
the. As you know as.
As I say, to have the balls to do that and it be probably, like
I said, my favorite song on that.
I mean, obviously at the time Wonderwall, I'm not going to
lie, yeah, I loved it and Don't Look Back in Anger, obviously
great song. But for me, I think it's they
they they were just overplayed and they have been overplayed.
So that's why I'm not going to say I don't like them, but if
you're asking me my my top songs, often they won't feature
just because, yeah, they're they're just so overplayed.
It's also too easy to. Pick them like what?
What? What's the greatest song of all
time? Bohemian Rhapsody, Stairway to
Heaven. Like yes, we are, we are
comfortable picking these songs and no one will debate them.
But let's look further, you know, like let's get away from
we we know they're classics. They've earned their place.
No one can ever debate that. But there, there's more room
than just what we have, you know, like every.
Like it's easy to make the joke about Wonderwall now, you know,
Oh, my girlfriend asked me to stop playing Wonderwall.
I said maybe like, you know, that you can make these jokes
all day long, but to actually listen to these albums and to
hear the composition of them and think, OK, if you think it's so
easy to make something like Wonderwall, you do it.
Yeah, Yeah. If.
You think and. Then do it and do that six more
times on an album. Yes.
Yeah, like. Yeah, that's all I said.
I would always, always think fondly of them, but those songs,
but yeah, as you said, may be too easy now.
I mean, you know, again, looking at the the track list, for me,
it's it's it's definitely Champagne Supernova.
I mean, she's electric. He's one of the ones, like I
said to you, he's one of those fun songs.
Sure. You know, it's just that
different kind of melody. But also, some might say, I
think it's a great song, but you know.
Obviously this. Album.
The main talking point around it was roll with it.
So you know the battle that I had with Blair?
So right, Did that make it? Over to to.
The States. Partially, but so I'm a little
younger so I don't remember much of the time then like I was born
in 87, so come 97 I'm 10 right? So this is, I'm like 8 or 9.
So I'm remembering hearing these bands and these albums and these
CDs from my mom or her coworkers.
Looking back as I got older, I remember people talking about
Oasis first Blur or you know, and I, I dig some digging at the
time and I'm like, it didn't really, it was that was
definitely more of a British rivalry.
It didn't ever really come out like that argument never crossed
over into the Americas. I'm sure in the fan communities
it did. I'm sure you had people here who
were like, well, they're blurred.
But the overall media, I don't think it was ever a fight
because I think that outside of Psalm 2, America had always
written Blur off. I don't think that they ever got
the proper respect as musicians and a band as they did like they
deserved. I think it was purely Oasis.
And every time a hit would come out from Oasis, they always took
the British air out of the room. And the rest was like, here are
the five Seattle, like here are the five grunge bands and then
Oasis and then here's Smashing Pumpkins and then Oasis.
And you know, that's what that's what the tone was.
See now. I think the first couple of Blur
albums were great, but I was never.
I wasn't necessarily a Blur fan, but I like the music.
Yeah, but, but I like the music. You know, I'm not one of these.
Oh yeah, I can't listen to that. You know, I appreciate some of
their really early stuff and some of their later stuff, you
know, like this is a low Beatle bum, you know, song too as well.
You can't deny that's a great song.
But yeah, a quick recap. So Blur were four albums in at
the time and obviously it was Oasis 2nd and Oasis obviously
were giving it all that the the Gallagher brothers were giving
it all that saying they're better than Blur.
So I think it. Was August.
I could be wrong. But I think it was roughly
August Oasis, we're going to release roll with it as a
single. So Blur moved their single
country house to release the same day, the same week.
So it was then obviously the press get hold of it and it's a
battle of Brit pop and Blur won that.
Now, if I'm going to be, you know, defend Oasis, I think if I
remember right, Blur had more variations of the CD so fans had
more reason to buy multiple instances of the song.
But I'm not getting petty here. The wounds have healed.
The crazy. The crazy thing is right.
I mean, Roll With It is a good song.
It's not a great song. But again, what I was saying to
you earlier, So the B side on Roll With It was rocking chair.
And for me, that's one of the best songs.
If that had been the A side, I think you might have seen a
different. It's a different result.
You know, for me, again, it's incredible that I'm.
I'm sitting here saying that, you know, people should have
bought that for the B side rather than the A side.
Yeah, like I. Remember my mom having blurs
like again, I like I remember the tapes.
I remember this the first two blur album like tape cassettes.
I remember those both because she had them in her collection
and I remember she had like 3 or 4 Oasis albums.
But the the argument of like Blur and Oasis has always been
funny to me because I I I can't ever looking.
Back now it seems. So funny.
And do you remember that Father Ted episode where they made that
joke too? Oh no, you know, I never watched
that. Show they're they make a
reference to it in. Father Ted, when they have that
whole argument of you know who do you prefer Oasis or blur and
someone responds incorrectly, quote UN quote again.
They were two totally different bands.
I think Blur were more the. As I was trying to say at the
start, they were more the Artie kind of band, if you know what I
mean. They I think they tried to do a
lot more with their videos. They they were trying to do be a
lot more clever. But you know, they were
different bands. And I think the thing I didn't
like though at the time with that that album, so part life
and country house. I think it was that mock cockney
kind of sure thing, and I think that turned me off a little bit
against that particular album. But again, you know, Part Life
is a great album. I mean one of like.
To talk about, like, artistic And one of the members of Blur
became the gorillas. Yeah, Damon.
Alban Yeah, yeah, Damon yeah. So like.
If you listen to Blur and then you listen to the gorillas, it
makes a whole lot of sense to cause like the quirkiness is
there, the humor is there, the musicianship is very high.
But also it's almost like tongue in cheek, which is kind of what
Blur. I feel like Blur have this layer
of tongue in cheek throughout their music, even all these are.
Serious stuff, yeah. I just.
Found it was funny that that's who they were pit against
really. But Blur?
I'm well I was almost said unfortunately and now I'm going
to alienate a whole fan base. But no, Blur won the battle of
Britpop at that time. OK, don't let Noel.
Hear that he'll or Liam? I guess.
So 1997, August 21st Be Here Now Oasis have achieved like the top
of the mountain with the first two albums behind them.
Be Here Now comes out the album artwork.
It still fits in the theme of what?
How were you leading up to this? Were you were you like excited
for another Oasis of them? Had you seen them yet?
Like did you? Where were you at?
I was really hyped for this one. So the year before was
Knebworth, right? So 96 and Knebworth was 96.
And I haven't been to many gigs, but I went to that and I will
forever, forever hold that as one of my favorite memories.
Now. I almost didn't go because no
one in in my media sort of vicinity particularly liked
Oasis right now. I had a friend then, somebody I
didn't know at school, you know, who I hadn't seen for a couple
of years. But we kept in touch.
He was now the the weird thing. He was a budding DJ and he was,
he liked the techno and the rave and the dance, but he wanted to
go because he knew it was going to be.
One of those events right now, it's being touted one of the
biggest things. So if I remember, it was 125,000
people for two nights, so 1/4 of a million people, right?
And for people who don't know Nebwith.
Is a massive, massive stadium well, it's just an open air
it's. It's basically an open, yeah,
it's not a stadium, it's an open field.
It's so there's a stately home there and it's just land.
It's just owned by the sky. And they did do concerts before,
like I think Queen have played there subsequently Robbie
Williams has played there, but it is no, it no, it's just a a
massive open area of lands. And it was near where he used to
live as well. Now it's it's well, I'll say
it's down the road from me. It's about a 20 minute drive
from where I live. So again, it was local, right.
And we'll come round to this at some point because obviously
Oasis of they've announced the tour just recently, haven't
they? There's, I think they're,
they're doing a couple of gigs, small gigs somewhere, yeah,
secret shows and pubs. Yeah, which if?
Anyone's got tickets and can let me have them?
Please, please get in touch. So he wanted to go, but back in
the day, then again it was being on the phone.
You do know if there was no Ticketmaster, there was no
Internet, that it was either local record shops which had a
selection or on the phone. So I remember he and I both on
the phone and again, because you know, we had mobiles and we
could text each other but we couldn't let each other know.
So we were just constantly ringing and what was said is the
minute someone could get tickets, just let the other one
know. And I think I got through and
got 2 tickets for the Sunday and that was it then.
And This is why, again, Oasis will kind of be special to me
because I'll never forget that morning being driven to my
mate's house because he did live near to Nebworth.
And yeah, my dad and my uncle, because they were going to go
somewhere else, visit family, but they were taking me.
And I remember just sitting in the back of that car being so
hyped to go see Oasis and my dad driving me to to see my mate.
And that's just one of those memories.
They made that a live album. A couple.
Of years ago, didn't they? They released it, yeah, which I
got as well. And there's also a film, I think
over here, it's on Paramount. I think it's on Paramount Plus,
but yeah, they did a documentary on it.
You can't spot me in it, unfortunately.
Do you now when you? I'm assuming you listen to the
Nebworth album, yes? Yeah.
Did you? Did it take you back?
To that night, Absolutely. Absolutely.
It's, again, it sounds silly, but it was a proper goosebump
moment. And just watching the film as
well, because even though it's well, it's 96, it's almost 30
years ago, right? But the cars and the fashion are
so different as well. And again, that's a moment in
time. It's interesting.
Anything. From that 90s era, like if you
look at MTV like Summer Break or you look at like the movie
singles or anything, just there are these little snapshots of
like, oh, this is this is the 90s, you know, this is what it
looked like. This is what it sounded like.
It's such a strange thing to have this.
I remember it, you know? And then there are movies like
Encino Man, and there there's like Alice In Chains music
videos and a John Cusack movie years like High Fidelity.
And it's like, that's the way that I remember the world from
my childhood, but it seems so far away now because everything
seems so modern and technological compared to then.
But. It's yeah, it's.
It's only 30 years ago, you know, like it's incredible and
and I don't. Feel like I've aged 30 years.
But then when I look at that, I realise how far away for sure it
was. And, you know, and I was just
looking at setlists now and, you know, they played 20 songs that
that included 22 encores, of which one was Champagne
Supernova, of course, which I'm sure they stretched.
Out to like 14 minutes, yeah, which was amazing.
And so I, I never forget that day.
We walked there and it was about, it was almost about an
hour walk because we weren't going to drive there.
So we we walked there and it was blazing hot sun because it was
the I think it was August the 10th and people were getting
treated for heat stroke on the way in.
But then I remember on the way out as, as I started playing
like champagne supernova and the fireworks going off, it started
raining. So we were walking out in the
rain in the field, in the dark, you know, And yeah, the final
song was I am the Walrus. But of course, and just for
people. So this was pretty much an all
day event. I think it started at 11 AM.
There were a number of bands. This was the thing I wanted to
go on the Saturday because Saturday had The Prodigy and
Ocean Colour Scene. I don't know if Ocean Colour
scene hit and I really like them, but I got tickets for the
Saturday, so we had that again was a lot of the indie bands.
And so there was Cast Cooler, Shaker, The Charlatans, who are
again one of my favorite bands as well.
I love the Charlatans, so you know, at least I've got to to
see them and Manic St. Preachers.
Richie James was still there then.
Was he right? He probably would.
Have been, yeah, that's before the disappearance.
Now again. You know, some people the gasp.
I wasn't necessarily a fan of Manic St.
Preachers before then, but hearing them live, I honestly
think some bands, when you hear them live, that's when you get
it. Sure.
And again, well, I feel sorry for them.
I felt sorry for them in the sense that they were just done
before Oasis. And that point everyone just
wanted the Oasis to come on. You know, they've been standing
up all day. But I just remember coming away
from that thinking I just love. Them, they they, they sound.
Brilliant live I am addicted to. That song Slash and Burn, it's
so good and that that's a rare band to see.
Consider it. Yes, yes.
So. That's really cool that.
You have the charlatans and manic St.
Preachers at the legendary Oasis Day.
Yeah, all for 22 lbs. 50 So that was the one thing I wanted to
say, £22.56 point like. It's it's always criminally
cheap. Now you know that's well when
you think the cheapest. Tickets, I think they were doing
now at Wembley were £130. Yeah, it's it's something but
yeah, just a a phenomenal day. Now I'm not going to lie, I'm
not going to say I was right at the front.
I mean there's 120,000 people, but it's just when you.
See the pictures now. So like if you look at the the
album they released just to see the picture overhead, it's just
amazing. All those people there for that
one ballot and then you, you then tell me that they weren't
the biggest band at the time. Sure.
Hasn't that been? Like hasn't someone tried to say
they had the most and then Noel hired someone to count the head
or like Liam hired someone to go in and like count the heads at
the crowd individually? Oh, I don't.
I don't know what was wasn't. That a rumour?
Or wasn't that like a thing he used to boast about?
Possibly. Possibly.
I mean, it sounds like the sort of thing he would do, but so
obviously there was that, and that'll always be a special
memory. Yeah.
Be here. Now, The funny thing about that
then as well was in the States, I'm not sure, but because the
Internet really still wasn't a massive thing.
Sure. You would get.
Little inserts in the CDs to join the fan club of of bands
and I remember. Joining.
The Oasis 1 so be here now and I've I've got it somewhere and
it's not been treated brilliantly unfortunately, but I
got a limited edition double vinyl version of that through
the fan club. So yeah, so I was.
I was really hyped for that album, Yeah.
So this was probably, yeah, outside of picking up the first
album, I think I was really amped up to get this having just
come off Nebworth basis. Sure, now.
Was your dad because you said your dad took you to Nebworth?
Was he, was he an Oasis fan or was he just like, I'm going to
take my kid because I'm he's my kid?
No, yeah, no, he just dropped me off.
I thought I'd say he was a Oasis fan, but like I said, it was.
It was funny because I didn't really have like I said around
me, anyone who was proper into it into it like I was now be
here now I think he's again it's it's another funny album.
I still think definitely maybe still wins in terms of someone
to the end song, you know, listen to it, but.
I think. Be here now.
You can definitely hear them trying to do different things,
different styles on it. And for me, if I had to pick my
top song, I mean, do you know what I mean is one of my
favorite songs that is as well. I just love the opening of that
with like the helicopter sound coming in Stand by Me, which is
one of the one times I don't know if you've seen the videos
to that is where they've actually done quite a clever
video to it. I I haven't.
Yeah, if if you watch. It it's one I always would say
people to watch. It's it's almost like there's
it's all done through CCTV footage and it just looks like a
lot of terrible things happening.
But I won't, I won't say anything.
Yeah, go watch it and then let me know what you think of it.
But then you've got. All around the world.
Which is almost, I think this album's version of Champagne
Supernova where it's, it's melodic hit.
I mean the original because there's a reprised version of
it. But the it's 9 minutes, 20
seconds, right? I'm looking at that.
That, that, that album that already has some longer songs on
it. There are tracks on that like Be
Here Now, there are some tracks that are like 8 minutes and you
know, like 9 minutes on there for All around the World.
And yeah, that that had some, some some epics I'll, I'll use
the term for so you could see that.
That I think that's where Noel is getting into is yeah, I'm
going to really just let my his vision almost come out this.
I'm going to do this seven minute song.
You're going to listen to it, you know, right And.
Also, it's the third album, and knowing what they've done with
the first two and coming off of Nedwith, who's going to tell
them no? Yeah, yeah.
It's you have. A young man who are hungry, who
are still creatively there have has.
Is there any inner turmoil between the brothers at this
point in time, or are they still riding that beautiful Crest?
I think here they're still. Riding the Crest, Yeah.
So yeah, like. At that point, why not just go
swing for the fences? They had nothing to lose.
The the only thing is I. Think here, you know, especially
on this album, if I remember right, you've got more of Noel
taking the lead on vocals, I think.
I know he did it on the last album.
Obviously don't look back in anger, but again, it's hard to
put myself back into that time frame.
But yeah, I, I even, I remember at the time that he was getting
more kind of like vocals, starting to do a bit more
vocals, usually this. Is kind of lessened now, I
think, but this is back when a band would do an album a world
tour, which really meant Japan, the UK and then America, maybe
like a South America leg and then they would go back and do
another album and then repeat that process.
So really throughout the 90s Oasis, like we have 9490590798,
you know, like every year, every two years, there's a new Oasis
album coming out like there and you can see them it, it, it's
that crazy kind of work ethic where it's like they're burning
themselves dry, but they're also young enough to where their
bodies just, you know, we're not, we're not going to sleep.
We're going to do this. We got a tour, we got to make
another album. We got a tour, we got to make
another album. And you're, you know, they have
the ability to do it. And that's the thing, right?
And again. I know they've got a lot of
detractors, but as you said, yeah, you know, they produced 4
albums in five years, right? 5-6 years and throwing net worth
in the middle of that, I think they had the right to kind of do
what they wanted to do at that point.
Sure. So. 97 Be here now you know
again. November 2nd, 1998 would be the
master play. So in your stage of life, you're
a lot now you're like a dedicated Oasis fan.
You're in the fan club. Does the fan club have a name?
Like was it something? No, I think it was just like a.
Mailing list, but I think they then sort of call it, it was
like an official unofficial sort of fan club.
But yeah, you just got on the mailing list and they would say,
yeah, new album's coming out. This is that or singles in the
in the charts. My my stepdad.
Was a member of the Aerosmith fan club and they called that
Aero Force One. Of course I would.
Yeah. Kiss, have the Kiss Army.
And you got your little like Kiss army ID card.
And so I was wondering if Oasis had anything quirky like that.
So November 2nd, 1998, the master plan comes out.
How did this album fall for you when you heard it?
So the master plan that. Was the the compilation 1 do you
mean? Yeah, but it it also.
Had like alternate versions of songs, right?
Like like now some people have said the master plan was an
excuse album because Oasis either needed the rest or maybe
Noel couldn't write anymore. Or people have said the master
plan has been used as like a scapegoat album, but bands have
compilations and greatest hits that comes out and the alternate
versions like isn't I, I am the walrus on the master plan like
the live version? Do you know what you totally?
Have got me again, because I didn't realise it was that old.
That album, to me, it just feels like it was only recent.
But yeah, 98. So I remember liking it because
again, you know, we go back to saying that the B sides were
better than often the A side. So I think this is Noel's chance
at saying, look, you know, you think you know us, but you've
only heard part of the story, right?
Look at the track listing acquiesce, which is an awesome
track, right, Talk tonight, fade away.
I'm the walrus, which I know is it obviously is a cover, but
they they do it great. Listen up brilliant, half the
world away, rocking chair head shrinker and the master plan,
which again, will feature in most people's favorite songs of
theirs. So again, I always say, you
know, if you think that's an excuse, just listen to it and
you hear that. If that's an excuse, then other
bands have got a lot to to right.
Do you know, do you know what I mean?
Because like. This is also when Oasis, I think
the Oasis detractors start. I think this is when, musically
speaking, the tide starts to turn on them.
It's also because something happened in like the late 90s to
2000 where it was like the death of Alternative and then the rise
of Indy and there aren't really any mega bands anymore.
Like everyone had their own specific genre that they wanted
to listen to. So you started labeling all of
these bands with ultra specific genres.
And it's almost like the terms rock, punk, alternative.
It's almost like they became Poison because well, we're an
indie band. Well, what kind of indie we're?
And then it's like 3 descriptors and then the word rock after it.
And like, I think my friend Warrens told me he was like, oh,
I listened to the Arctic Monkeys and then he described them as
indie noise funk. And I, I just wanted to like
push him out of the car in that moment.
Like I'm just like, at some point we're just throwing labels
on things. And I think that with this album
and we're getting that stage in music that this is when the
Oasis to track your start. We've had four years of
Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova and Dog bag and anger.
And I think that this is when people started trying to
denigrate what Oasis had done in their time and especially over.
Here we like to tear down people who are at the top, right, right
and I don't know. Why in the?
Press and the media over here, anyone who's gets successful, it
feels like we, we got to tear it down.
And you, you must eat your young.
Yeah, yeah, you know, and probably at.
That point, they were quite brash, they were quite abrasive.
There were a few as some of the other bands did, There were a
few probably ill advised comments about narcotics that
you know, that was said. So I think that's all swirling
around to be quite negative. Didn't Liam make that salacious?
He said if I wrote Stairway to Heaven at 22, I'd be the one
they were saying was the greatest instead of Jimmy Page
and, well, they were always saying that.
Right. They were bigger than The
Beatles. They were going to be bigger
than everything. And you know, but again, there's
that swagger. It's it's, it's, it's that mink
swagger. It's it is.
It's that Manchester. Swagger that even like Morrissey
has, that, you know, like The Smiths have, that it's part of
the ACT, right? And like I said, maybe that was
back when I was 17, maybe one of the things that attracted me to
it was that that swagger and that confidence and that, you
know, we are going to do it. We're we're going to be the
best, you know, and they came from nowhere, you know, in terms
of like a real working class kind of background to doing that
touring the states. And again, like we said, a
headlining Nebworth. But yeah, I would argue if if
people haven't listened to the master plan, listen to it
because, and like I said, if anyone had only ever bought the
albums, it's a crime then that they wouldn't have listened to
some of the B sides. And if it's an excuse, it's an
excuse. Maybe people saw it like the the
compilation clip episode of a sitcom, you know, where they
were. I did.
Again, I think they earned the right to do this.
Now, are you into? Bootlegs at all?
Like have you ever picked up an Oasis bootleg of like unreleased
tracks or like demos of songs that were never released?
Or did you ever go down that rabbit hole?
Not bootlegs as such. But I have since bought like a
few of the like deluxe re release versions where they've
got demos and or unreleased versions of tracks.
But I've not, yeah, I've not really gone down there, the
bootleg side of things, not really done that from any bands.
Although I've got kind of like Beatles 1 where I can pick up
because, you know, vinyl especially now these days is
just so expensive. It used to be so affordable.
And nice. And now, like, can't, can't.
It's so hard to purchase affordable vinyl.
But yeah, I'll show you at some. Point a couple of the the
versions of the albums I've got which which fill me with joy,
but actually one thing they did do actually, and I forgot to
say, and I did mean to bring them in, I'll show you
afterwards. So they released, like I said,
there's normally four or five singles released from each
album. And for the first two albums, at
some point later, they released a a box to put them in.
But the box was based on a cigarette box.
You slot the singles into it. I think there was a bonus CD in
there. It might have been an interview
CD. But then when you're looking at
it, it looks like a box of, I can't remember if it was, I
didn't smoke it and they Lambert Butlers or Benson and Hedges.
But it looked like cigarette box.
Yeah, that's really cool. That's something the digital era
has cut out on. There's a lot of like very cool
box sets or like CD cases. And I have an Alice In Chains
box set and it's like a safe. You open it up and there's four
CDs in it, but then the back is a false back that you have to
like hit the back of and then it falls out and there's like
poetry on the inside of it. And I have like an Alice Cooper
box set. I have a few other pieces that
I'm just like, you don't get that with just a download.
You don't get like the cool like Weird Al Yankovic has a box set,
but it's an accordion case that the vinyl slots into I'm.
Like that's. Really cool.
Like if you're a collector, you're a fan of this person,
Yeah, pay the 130 for it or the 200 or whatever.
But you just don't get that with a digital mean.
Exactly. It's kind of sad that.
It's missing. Out on that, yeah.
And I think you could buy. It with all the singles in it,
if you hadn't bought them, but if you had done it was quite a
clever idea to just sell the empty box that you could then
yeah, slip them into. So oh and the other thing is I'm
not sure if I've got it somewhere.
If if it is, it's it will be in that there was that time.
Did you hear about the the time they were being interviewed?
The interviewer walked away. Had left the tape running and
Nolan, Liam just have an argument for about half an hour
and it got released as ACD. Yeah, yeah.
Actually I have that. Oh, you've got that sibling
rivalry. Right, yes, I have it here.
Oh, I don't have it here. It's back in California, right?
Yeah. I shouldn't say I have it.
My parents have it. But yes, we, I yes, I've heard
sibling rivalry. Yeah.
And again, how? Brilliant.
Is that right? I have AI, also have a, I have
it here in Texas with me. I have an Iron Maiden argument
on tape too, like that. Like there's someone who's left
the thing running and Steve Harris is yelling at some poor
grip who did something and they're just all bickering for 5
minutes before they realize that someone's recording them.
And then the audio just quickly cuts off.
Yeah, yeah. Brilliant.
So. You know, the year 2000, Y2K
comes and goes and we all survived that.
Luckily 24 years ago, Standing on the Shores of Giants would
come out totally different compared to what Oasis have done
in my opinion. Like Standing on the Shoulders
of Giants seems so antagonistic to the first three albums,
almost like it seems like they have become a different animal
of a band, at least in my opinion.
How did you feel about it when it came out?
I see. I felt the same.
I see it. Felt going to sound funny, but a
bit more serious, if you know what I mean.
It felt not a darkness to it, but it felt like there was a bit
of an edge to it that the other albums albums didn't have to me.
And I think this is what I said to you when it when I first got
this, it took me a while to actually warm to it as much as
the other albums did. I don't know what it is.
Maybe it doesn't have the like the radio friendly catchy song
that maybe the first few did. I mean it starts.
Out with in the bushes, which is a brilliant track.
I'm going to be honest to you is an I have to say though, that is
a brilliant yeah. And maybe that caught us off
guard with, you know, the use of a swear word on on a track when
they don't normally do that anything right because.
It's also I don't know what that audio is before in the start of
the song with the guy ranting, but like it comes out so hard
edged. It comes out so crass and loud
it all. It has like a dirty punk vibe to
it almost. And then it just gets into like
really good savage guitar work. Honestly, it's it's such a.
Great track and I think most people have heard it.
I think it's been used on so many things.
You know, there's there's a radio station here, sports
station that one of the evening shows.
They use it as the the prelude. I think Liam uses it for when he
comes out on stage at his gigs. But as you said, yeah, it's just
such a there's a British. Wrestler named Nigel McGinnis,
who uses it as his theme. Oh, really?
Yeah. And Guy?
Ritchie used it in like two or three of his movies.
And the interesting thing is I think a lot of people have heard
that song and I don't know if they know it's Oasis or not.
But you know what? I wouldn't disagree.
With you there especially because it is an instrumental
pretty much isn't it? More or less, yeah.
And the. Voices on that album are or on
that song are not Liam or Noel. It's just like pre sampled audio
clips with instrumentation. So if if you were to play that,
because it also doesn't sound anything like what you're used
to from the other Oasis albums. So if you were to play someone
that song and go, who do you think this is?
I don't think they would ever say, oh, that's Oasis.
Yeah, yeah. No, I think you're right.
I think you're right. And the other thing with this
again, it's got another one of my favorite tracks on there of
theirs. So having said what I said, so I
I really like go let it out. I think that's a great song.
It's again, it's one of my, you know, my favourites, but also
it's got the first, I think, credited song that Liam wrote on
the album as well. Little James again, you've kind
of got that now. So you you had obviously you had
Noel starting to sing more, but now you've got Liam wanting to
get in on the writing act right Right now there was a.
Little bit of in band controversy with his album,
right? What was that then?
Well. Hasn't Noel?
Disowned it. Like hasn't Noel come out to
speak out against standing on the shoulders of giants?
I'm not sure I I. Think in, in in.
Like in the years since, I think that Noel has been unkind toward
this album in his own opinion, and I think that I don't know
how legitimate that is towards the album versus him and his
brother just having disagreements.
Just looking here. Yeah.
Now. So.
It was in 2011. He's he's quoted as saying they
should never have made it. Yeah, so he's saying after the
second album he lost the desire to write music, and he said the
band was slowly moving on his way.
He said we should never have made Standing on a Shoulder with
Giants. I'd come to the end at a time I
had no reason or desire to make music.
I had no drive. We sold all these epic records
and there just seemed to be no point.
Yeah, that's really strange. Yeah, maybe that's what lends
to. The vibe of the album, you know
it's. But that's really strange
considering. That Noel would continue for a
few albums and then he had High flying Birds.
And it's. It's strange for a guy to be
like, oh, I can't write anymore, I don't want to write anymore.
And then they keep writing and making music for the next
10/12/15 years. Yeah.
And I'm kind of looking. At the time, I mean for me then
you know, the next batch of albums.
So, you know, ultimately up to up to their ending.
That came at a time of life then.
So I, I'd met my girlfriend, moved out work, there was
financings because you know, you're moving in, you know,
you're buying a house. And I think that's when I, it
almost seems to be mirroring maybe the, the fractious
relationship within the band as well that, you know, they were
starting to have these troubles and I would start slowly losing
interest in, in the music side of it because of obviously of,
of, like I said, I remember at the time, one of the hardest
things I did was I had to sell a lot of my music collection to
try to raise some funds, right. And the last three albums I
think were, they probably just haven't, I think.
At the time, they weren't as. Appreciated so Heath in
chemistry don't believe the truth, dig out his soul.
But I think since then again, I would say the last few years has
seen me really get an appreciation for the second-half
of their career. That's a good.
Way to put it. Because standing on the
shoulders of giants really does seem like the master plan.
Almost seems like that in standing shoulders Giant seems
like a bridge between Oasis in the 90s and then Oasis in the
thousands leading up to the breakup.
Right. And it's interesting that you
said that the album, you have a connection where you feel like
it kind of mirrors your emotional turmoil or maybe
you're like life turmoil. You were moving in, you had
finances to worry about, so you connected these harder,
grittier, more unforgiving Oasis albums that sounded a little
more raw edge, that had a little bit more bite to them.
When you were going through a time in your life when things
were a little more hard edged and had a little more bite to
them, you were becoming disinterested in music, not
because of choice, but because of necessity.
Yeah, absolutely. And.
When you. Have to give into necessity like
that. It does.
Oh, well, I don't like music then.
It's just going to be easier to accept it.
I'm just going to focus on this for now and I can't worry about
that. You don't want to do it, but you
have to like needs must as the devil drives, you know?
Yeah, definitely. And.
And like I said. Nothing.
That's why then when I went back to those albums later on, you
know, I realized that I had done them a disservice sort of
originally in in kind of disregarding them or not
disregarded them, but that you kind of make that snap
judgement. But when you can sit down and
listen to it like Heathen chemistry again, I would say
it's got two of my favorite songs there.
I seem to have a lot of favorite songs there.
But stop crying your heart out. I think it's just beautiful you
put that on and you've all got those memories or emotions that
that's going to bring out of you.
And I, and I think one thing I've not said as well is Liam's
voice to me is just incredible and kind of like the emotion he
can get from that raspiness he's got.
And I think stop crying your heart out.
It's just an incredible song by him.
So 2002. Heathen Chemistry comes out and
that's such, that's Noel Gallagher is writing some of the
songs, Liam is writing some of the songs, and then Jim Archer
is writing some of the songs. As an Oasis fan, are you able
to, when you hear these songs, do you go, oh, Liam totally
wrote this, or this is an Archer track?
Like are you able to tell the songwriting differences in the
approach or does it all just kind of blend together?
It kind of all blends together, but mainly.
Because they were doing experimental things, so there
was kind of like that trippy vibe.
They did some of this songs. They did almost have like the,
the Asian influence a couple of times in the background they
were trying to influence, you know, But for me, it's always,
it's mainly because Oasis is Liam's voice to me.
So as long as he's singing the track to me, it's, it doesn't
matter who who's written it or if it's a ballad or if it's
Rocky or it's just that I hear his voice and that's an Oasis
track. I don't necessarily think about
kind of who's written it. If you're talking about writing,
one of the funny things is, again, I said my wife wasn't
necessarily an Oasis fan, but I've turned her into one.
One of her fate. Her favorite tracks is actually
a Liam Gallagher track, and it's Songbird, which is on this
album. And again, 2 Minutes is a very
short song and I think he wrote it for his partner at the time.
Sure. All this brashness and swagger
he's got, it's a lovely little, almost like a love song, isn't
it? Yeah.
It just shows that whatever you think about Liam Gallagher in
that moment, there was more to him than what the media, than
what he had been portraying to the media.
Absolutely. What do you?
Think about the cage. About the what?
Sorry. The cage so.
If you listen to Better Man and then there's that big gap
because it's there's a 33 minute track, then there's that hidden
track, which bands also used to do that?
Weren't they great? On CDs.
Why is this album? Suddenly two hours long and
there's 45 minutes of silence before like a 3 minute track
comes on at the very end of that to be honest.
As I said, it's it's probably one of the tracks I've not
really gone back to and listened to that much, mainly because now
it was one like I said, I'd never had originally.
And then I've bought it on vinyl since and it's one of the ones,
like I said, I've I've kind of just stuck to the main songs on
it. So why did you bring that up?
Is that because there's something for you and also?
I always think it's like Nirvana had a hidden track on Never Mind
Velour. Revolver had a hidden track on
the end of their second album. Whenever a band puts a hidden
cuz OK, an album, you have a band, they're making this album
and there's like, OK, we're going to put these songs in this
order and we're going to compose.
So we're going to put this song here and then this song.
And it's the way every album is structured with a purpose.
I don't care who you are musically.
I don't care what your manager says.
I don't care what kind of a band you are.
Every album you produce, that album has a theory.
That album has a process. That album has a purpose, and so
when a band decides to go, OK, we're going to put on a brick of
silence, 15 minutes of silence, 10 minutes of silence, 4 minutes
of silence, and then a track that we're not going to list on
the album, we're not going to acknowledge in the track notes.
We're just going to have it be a hidden track.
That is always something really special to me because it shows
the band going. There is something more to this
album like this is rewarding someone who listens to it from
start to finish. This is rewarding someone who
listens to our music like on on Play.
This is someone who is not putting our singles in a
playlist or just listening to like the edited single number
one hit and then moving on. A hidden track shows a certain
level of songwriting competency that goes this is something and
like sometimes those hidden tracks are amazing.
Like sometimes they're really good.
They're really produced well, they're really well thought out.
And every time they're like 1 crop stuff that I find out
about, I'm always like that's like there's something really
special there because it's also not on every album.
And it's very rare when a hidden track comes along like that.
And again, going back to what? You said that you can do this
with physical media, right? Well, I guess you could do it
with streaming, but it loses that edge, right?
Right. And the fact that, like I said,
it's uncredited, so it takes again, most artists want
everything credited, right, right.
So. And like, you know, you'll have
like you, you're putting a playlist on or a pot.
Like, let's say you're listening to music and you're doing
dishes. You're just going to put on,
like, a playlist of whatever. Like, when's the last time
someone sat down and go, I'm going to listen to this album
from start to finish, no skips. And I bought the album, or I'm
putting it on CD or I'm putting it on something to where I don't
have to listen to commercials. Yeah.
And then you're listening to it. You're listening to it.
And then, OK, well, that's the end of that song.
That album's done. And you'd walk over and you'd
change it or you're walking around with a little remote or,
and your Bluetooth or Siri play this, Siri play that, you know,
So to have a hidden track on an album somewhere and then for you
to hear like silence for whatever reason, not change it
because you're busy with something and then cut to a
song. It's quite jarring because
you're like, what, what is this? Why is this?
Because then you have to track. Why is there music here?
And it doesn't say anything on the album.
And you just have to, you know, listen to it enough and do a
little bit of digging and oh, that's the name of this song.
And that's a hidden track. And, you know, then you can find
out stuff. But it's such an interesting
road to get to that point. And I could be.
I could be misremembering, but I'm sure I'm not.
I'm sure there were CDs as well where there were tracks at the
start. So if you rewound.
So if you put the CD in and then rewound it, you would have a
track hidden before the first track.
Yeah, but you could only. Access it through the rewind,
the rewind process. Yeah, yeah.
So this old media. Had some very cool functions.
The Beatles did that, too. They would put hidden tracks in
the end of the records, so like the actual record went in and
then we hit the end grooves and then music would play.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's.
Also, I've not got one. I would love to get one because
I like to try get various types of final, but there there are
ones where they've got 2 grooves.
So because I remember somebody read an article, somebody said
there's an album they listened to and then once they went to
play it and it was different. The intro was different.
It was because it had a different groove.
It is where you put the needle, the stylus onto the record.
Oh, so there were. 2 tracks. Sure, yeah.
I mean, how cool. Is that?
Yeah. And the I mean.
Like when we're talking about experimental music and this is a
slight digression. We'll get back to Oasis, but The
Flaming Lips made the entire album.
But every piece of music was isolated, and then it was up to
you, the listener, to listen to whatever.
You could listen to the drums and the guitars or the vocals on
the bass, or you could listen to them all compiled.
And then you'd actually hear the songs as they were meant to be
played right? Or they left it up to.
You. To just mix, match your own
tracks and vocals and everything to however you want.
It's so cool, isn't it? You can have this
experimentation with something that's right well.
Centuries old music. And the format, yeah, now.
With Heathen Chemistry, did you feel like Oasis were because no
one saw the end come and this is getting close to there.
We're two albums out from the breakup.
So with Heathen did this over there, you know, across the Pond
and jolly old England, what did this album do for Oasis for you
guys? Did it reinvent them?
Did it keep them the same or were England kind of over Oasis
at this point? I think it was.
Yeah, it was almost like, it sounds dramatic, but the
beginning of the end for it, I think, as you said, times
changed. So there's what, 2002?
So like I said, we're in the, you know, in the new Millennium
tech coming through. And yeah, if I'm in Brighton and
looking at it, it got really mixed reviews.
So I mean, I see it's averaging around 50 out of 100, so.
Like I said, I think it just. Felt it felt different.
It didn't feel like it was. It's going to sound funny like
my Oasis and my Oasis was the first couple of albums.
Like I said, for me, it's those first three albums will always
be sort of my happy place for Oasis, if you know what I mean.
But like I said, that's not so I haven't come to love the later
albums and that there's brilliant tracks on there.
And like I said, I don't know if it's just the time of my life
where priorities have changed as well.
But yeah, it just, it just didn't feel like the Oasis of
old. So that was 2002.
Now we have a gap because gone are the days when Oasis are like
Nolan Liam are on speaking terms and you know they're cranking
out an album every half a year, 2 years.
So don't believe the truth would come out May 30th, 2005.
How are you doing in 2005? Was that a is that a good year
for Dan 2005? No.
So I'm trying to think now. So I think around 2000 and five,
2006, I'm, I'm sure I'm going to get the date wrong here, but
that was round the time. So me and my wife, we were at
the same, working at the same company.
It was really my first job. And I think that was when we the
company was shutting down or, or it was relocating and we were
taking redundancy. So, so like I said, there was
whole sort of things going on. So I think this is where started
to part ways with with them even more.
Sure. Your life?
Really. Has been tethered to Oasis in a
strange way yeah, because though when I look.
At it again, if well, as you, as you intimated on the last one,
it's very much an album of everybody getting involved in it
right. It's a shorter album as well,
but it's got it's got a couple of really interesting ones on
there. So you've got Lila, which I
think is a really interesting one, and also the importance of
being idle, which I remember when I first heard it didn't
like it. But then on the second and third
hearing, I just thought what a great track it was and I don't
see it. It's got, Oh, what's his name?
Is it Reese fans in the video? It's a black and white video.
And again, it's them doing a bit of a like almost like a a proper
video. So yeah, it was it was a weird
album for me because I think this is where I think I was
losing more interest in my passion for buying everything
music and listening. I think I was devoting less time
to music at that time of my life.
Yeah. So something.
Interesting happens here with Don't Believe the Truth because
the next album it's a greatest hits it it stopped the clocks.
So stop the clocks came out. It's the greatest hits album.
That's fine. Which further, if the master
plan is the greatest hits album, then what's stop the clocks?
You know, Stop the clocks is the greatest hits master plan is a
chance to show off the B sides that people weren't buying.
So stop the clocks comes out. And if you look at the track
listing for stop the clocks, I feel like Oasis kind of knew
where their bread and butter is at because most of that comes
from the first 3 or 4 albums. It's like you have a few from
Heathen Chemistry or Standing on the Shoulders of Giants, but
most of it's coming from the first.
Three years, you know, and sorry, why?
Why are you saying? That, yeah, I was just double
checking. So yeah, my first job, yeah, was
finished in May. And then I went, I was bouncing
between cup row, so I went to another row and then there was
redundancy there. So it was just to say that that
was, I think where it, it kind of explains why I was jumping
away. But sorry.
But you were saying yeah, about the about the compilation album,
right? It's the greatest.
Hits and most of the album it's the early songs, it's the early
years, you know which there's nothing more telling than a
greatest hits album than when the majority of it comes from
the first like 3 or 4 albums yeah and was the.
Writing on the wall for them then, did they?
Did they know that, that their star was waning, as it were?
Was that like you said, was that an attempt to kind of recapture?
I mean, I've got the album again.
I've pretty much bought all of all of their films and again,
the greatest hits. I mean, what is it, 2004?
So I guess it's 10 years on, isn't it?
So just ten years on. So it's probably the greatest
hits released November. 20th 2602 Thousand.
And six. So what's that?
That is 12 then years, isn't it from the first album?
The first album we saw was Night 4, right?
So I think you're justified or you're out.
You're allowed to get away with a compilation album then?
I think so. Have have you seen?
Oasis again, since Nebwitz at this point in like 2006.
Was there another time that you ran into them, met them, or saw
them live? No, but I've.
Got actually a funny story which I'll come on to after, which
links into my first job eventually after.
But no, do you know what? I never saw them again.
Which is why I'm actually quite gutted that I haven't got
tickets for this. But I did then see Liam twice in
2022. OK, All right, wait.
Oh, Liam, Liam, Liam. What was?
What was Liam's band? I see it's a solo.
Career. Yeah, it's a solo career, so he
was touring obviously. And in the Royal Albert Hall
each year is the Teenage Cancer Trust.
They do a week long worth of concerts there.
So I think they've had The Who there.
They've had Paul Weller and 22. He was doing one of the nights,
so me and my wife bought tickets to see him there.
Then after that was announced, he then announced his net worth.
So he played a couple of nights, net worth himself.
Only 80,000 a night. Not a shame, yeah.
You know. And I said.
Tomorrow, no, we can't do it because we've got tickets for
that, she said. No, we have to do it.
We have to do it. And yeah, I've got tickets for
Nebworth as well. And it was great because within
the space, a few months saw him in, I'm not going to call the
Royal Albert Hall like an intimate venue, but it was
within an, you know, in close. Yeah, and then saw.
Him back at the scene of Nebworth.
But the difference with that one was I managed to get VIP
tickets, tickets. Well, they were the only tickets
available, I'm not going to lie. And they were, they weren't
overly expensive. But I remember The funny thing
was that they didn't say anything other than it got you
the VIP ticket. There was a a separate section
of the main bit where you could go.
It's almost like a chill out bit.
There was a couple of bars that only the VIP members could do.
And there's a couple of portaloos there that only there
the VIP members could do it. And I remember a friend of mine
went the night before and I said to him, he said his friend had
VIP tickets. I said was there anywhere
specific you could stand? So, you know, I'm just trying to
think, could you get close to the stage?
He said no, no, there wasn't anything like that.
And I thought that's fair enough.
Anyway, me and my wife go the next day.
Now this is what I was saying. So we didn't go early on.
So we went later on. And I didn't didn't really know
the warm up bands they were having or the support bands.
But I did go in time for Kasabian who again or another
one where I've heard the songs and I've liked the songs.
But then to see them perform live, it was just something
else. And the crowd was literally
pumped up it it was just great. And it's now you know it's led
by what's his name, Sergio now. And he was just, again, if you
talk about enigmatic front men and just getting that crowd
whipped up, they did it right. We drive in, we get there late
and I was worried that we were going to have a nightmare
parking and it was going to be difficult getting it was quiet
all the way. And we were like, have they
closed it? Have they cancelled the event?
There was no traffic anyway, drove straight in, parked
without issue, got straight in. We managed to cut our way right
to the because the VIP section because we said let's go get a
drink there. We managed to cut through the
whole crowd and early on got all the way through and then we got
a really good standing space. We were fairly close to the
stage, quite a good bit for Kasabian.
Then I just caught the corner of my eye there was, so we were by
a railing where they had a walkway for I think like to keep
people a little bit of separation space and for
security to walk through. And I saw a security guard with
AI could see he was standing in front of a bit of paper and I
was trying to see it was just like an A4 bit of paper.
I was thinking, what is that? What is that?
And he moved briefly and he said VIP.
And so he got his attention and he comes over and I said that's
actually what's that? And he goes, it's for VIP.
He goes, have you got AVIP ticket?
I lifted my hand up. He goes, what are you doing
there? He goes come round here.
As we were pretty much front and centre of the the stage.
We were right up. Fantastic.
Yeah. Just so good.
Yeah. And that was just.
Brilliant because whilst it's his solo stuff, he sang a lot of
Oasis tunes and it was just a mix of older people like me, but
they'd also they were bringing their young kids to it as well.
It's a proper mix and it was just people just really living
the moment. It was just incredible that it
was almost, I think I was able to enjoy that one more because
the original net worth I was, you know, I was young, I was
what, 18? Just really hyped up and I think
this one because of the memories of the original net worth and
see my wife enjoying the concert as well because I didn't know
her then. The original net worth, it was
just a great, Yeah. It was a great vibe for that,
too, yeah. Now 2. 1008 dig out your soul.
I mean the the end of Oasis, but and I don't think that like
didn't the break up happened like unexpectedly, right.
It was like everyone went to sleep one day and it's like
Oasis are here and they woke up and it's like Oasis break up
Gallagher brothers forever, you know, so dig out your soul.
Was that a concept album or am I misremembering?
No, I thought. I'm not sure.
It was, again, like I said, this is the album I've got the least
affinity to, I think because again, maybe because they broke
up again. Sure.
For us it broke the next day, as it were, you know, right.
Because I just. Wanted to go back to.
What you were saying, it's because it was always, you know,
they were always fighting, right?
They were always fighting. I think you just accepted they
were going to fight, but it was never going to be anything
serious. And then, you know, obviously
this happened. And I remember, even though,
like I said, the last few albums and Dig Out Your soul at the
time, I never bought. But I've subsequently got a
really nice version of it. Yeah, it kind of knocked me back
because I was thinking, no, but they're supposed to fight.
You know they're supposed to get on with it, right?
You see, I'm a Black Crows fan. I'm used to the band breaking up
for years at a time because the brothers are fighting.
I I'm used to that. So when Oasis broke up, and also
they'd had their fights before and they'd done their own thing.
So when I remember Oasis breaking up, I'm like, they'll
get back together in like a month or they'll get back to
them for years. I was not.
I was like, I guess Oasis are really broken up.
Yeah. Yeah.
So dig out Your soul comes out and.
This is an interesting. Album because it it it's just
it's nothing new. It it it's on that same
psychedelic track as Don't Believe the Truth or Heathen
Chemistry. It almost seems like Oasis or in
their new sound with this mix of like psychedelic Hard Rock, it's
just the way this is Oasis you're going to be.
And you can argue The Beatles thing and that whole influence,
but it seems like such a depressing is the wrong word.
But it seems like such a yet like depressing album from a
band that if you followed from the early years and then you get
to dig out your soul and it's like all the happiness for these
guys drained away. That's I think that's fair.
Yeah, I think that's fair. It's probably, again, what I, I
was thinking at the time. It is definitely a marked
difference, you know, and I'm not saying a band can evolve
absolutely, but the fact that it is culminated with their
breakup, I think shows that it's not necessarily just a, an
evolution of sound. It's more of a, of an expression
of what's going on, right, right.
And. I think it was Duff Mckagan from
Guns and Roses who said when they covered Sympathy for the
Devil, Duff Mckagan said if you want to know what a band's
breaking up sounds like, go and listen to that song because it's
nothing like what Guns N' Roses would be, should be, or could
be. And I think that when a band is
going through a breakup or just about to break up and you listen
to the last song they release or the last album, it always sounds
fractured. It always sounds kind of manic
and it doesn't ever really sound like an album.
In in the throes. Of stability and I think Dig Out
Your Soul is that album for Oasis, you know, and because
they were looming on the edge of this tension and there was
tension between each other, they've been doing it for over
10 years by this point and they'd hit the peak and they
kind of declined. And then other like we had the
big wave of Indy come up like Coldplay, Kings Of Leon, stuff
like that. So Oasis's cache is being like
like Franz Ferdinand too. And I think Oasis's cache of
being like of a little like Brit pop band who blew up the world
had started, had been detracted. And then it had been kind of
made a mockery of because of Wonderwall and over the years
and it kind of considered stale. And the thousands wanted nothing
to do with the 90s because it was trying to reinvent itself
musically. And I think that to get your
soul gets caught in that unfortunate web of like a band
who were trying to hold together.
They weren't going to hold together.
And every like the fans really suffered because it's not an
album that you want it. It's not the best of Oasis on
that album, for sure. Yeah, I I think you're right.
I. Think as we said, right, they
burst onto the scene and they took the world by surprise.
And the 2000s was a very different place, wasn't it from
the the mid 90s? Maybe they were band trapped,
you know, maybe no one wanted to start expressing himself, but
people just wanted that stadium, those stadium anthems, that
stadium rock. I mean, that's the thing,
sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Write with your, your, your innovate in it.
And you know, like we said right at the start, pick any band,
right? You could, you know, play a song
and I can tell you that, say an R.E.M. song or whatever.
But Oasis got criticised for being the same.
But then when they tried to to experiment, it was like, well,
that's not that's not Oasis. Now, you know, they also did
lose a couple of members. They went through a lot in those
last few albums. I think it's an interesting.
History, I think. And this was funny too, because.
I pitched this conversation to you about initially, I don't
know, a month and a half ago. And then about 3 weeks ago, 4
weeks ago, you messaged me. You're like, hey, whatever your
energy you're bringing, keep it up because there's rumors that
Oasis are getting back together. And I was, and I told my
girlfriend, I told Alicia, I'm like, apparently there are
rumors that Oasis are getting back together.
And then like a fool, I said I don't think it'll ever happen.
And then the next day it was Oasis reunion.
I'm like, oh, well, guess what we're spending money on?
And then, you know, the tour dates came out and I'm like, of
course they're not playing America fine.
Like, I think they will. I think they will.
I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm actually quite guided.
I always said if you know, I've said that I've not really gone
too many gigs and the main ones I've gone to are Oasis and two
Liam Gallagher ones, right? I always said you weren't under
Knowles high flying birds at. All you weren't into Knowles.
Do you know what? No, I didn't.
I. Didn't really get into high,
high flying birds and and again, no, I think it was that period
of time. So even BDI Liam's, you know
that that that one Abbie Dee with BDI, I didn't really get
that. But his solo stuff, I I think
was him back on top form. You know, I really I really love
his solo stuff. And I would never have thought
back in the early days that if they broke up, that Liam would
probably go on to the more success or be the more popular
one because it it was no right. And all the songs, right.
Yeah. I always said I would go back to
that. That would be the concert I
wanted to go to. And obviously we've just had the
Taylor Swift a time recording Taylor Swift ears tours.
And there's a colleague at work. She she went to that.
And I said to her, this is like my ears tour.
This, this is this is that I must get now.
Yeah, I was, I was, I was so gutted.
I I missed out on, well, I didn't get picked for the pre
sale. So then the next day, it was a
Saturday, I was in a queue for four hours just to get onto
Ticketmaster. And then I was, when I got on, I
was 280 thousandth in the queue. It took me about another 4 hours
to get through. And then by the time I did, it
was, I don't know if you heard all the Fiori, but they, they've
got the dynamic pricing and the tickets that were offered to me
were pretty much £500 each, which I couldn't do.
Sure. And I've tried to explain.
This to a few people because I was going to go see Aerosmith
and I was like looking for everywhere and I finally found a
set of tickets. I was like, I found a ticket and
I was like, yeah, but I've seen Aerosmith 7 times before.
So this was, I was like, OK, they're doing their buy tour,
bought tickets. And then I was like, OK, I'm not
going to pay more than, I don't know, 500.
I can't do that because I've seen Aerosmith before.
I never saw her smoke in the 70s obviously.
But I know that they have a top value and like every band, and I
don't care if they're your favorite band or not, every
single band has a top dollar value.
I'm sorry Rodger Waters, you are not worth $5000.
You're you're not. Maybe if it was all of Pink
Floyd original members, maybe, but even then that's rough.
There is no band that is worth 5000 and depending on like a
band like Oasis or R.E.M., if R.E.M. ever get back together.
And I'm saying that because if I can make Oasis get back
together, I want R.E.M. to get back together.
So if R.E.M. Get back together.
I know they have a top dollar too.
And yeah, I, I was, I was reading it all on Twitter, like
you were talking about it and a few other people I follow were
like talking about the the queue and I was watching Ticketmaster
just meltdown. I was like, this is this is bad.
I don't think anyone's going to get into this.
And then the people who were paying, you know, crazy amounts
of money. And I'm like, I as much as I
like Oasis, I don't know if they're worth that much,
especially the Oasis you're going to see now they're at the
Oasis you're thinking of then. Yeah.
And that's the thing, right? And.
I always say, look, you do you. If you're going to pay that, you
pay that. But you know, I was just looking
at that. I was thinking if I bought 2
tickets, that's a vacation somewhere.
That's a vacation. That's a house.
Payment. That's yeah, yeah, as you say.
Yeah, I mean, look, you know, I've seen Liam and I know he's,
if anything, I think his voice is is probably better now.
Look, it's a stadium concert. They do a concert, They don't do
a show, you know, so, so you know, we mentioned Taylor Swift.
Look, from by all accounts, she puts on a three hour show,
right? Yeah.
I just, I just couldn't. I just couldn't.
So yeah. And then last week they
announced some extra dates for those who didn't get them the
first time round, but I didn't get selected for that.
So again, it's just disappointment.
But you know, the way I see it, I'm actually kind of saying,
look, I saw them in 96. That was the, I think, the
moment to have seen them. Yes, I've seen Liam.
Twice and for my. Wife, she says to her anyway,
Oasis is Liam so we've kind of had the experience but right you
you've. Seen yeah, but if anyone's got
tickets at. Face value.
Let me know. Yeah, yeah, please.
Get Dan deserves to see Oasis 25 Dan deserves I'm holding out
they've. Said no, but I'm holding out
that they, well, you don't know, right?
You can just give. Them a call.
Well, yeah, Yeah, well. I'm going to say something else
shortly, which is about your life, but I'm holding out that
they'll do net worth in 26 because that will then be 30
years from the original. That would be a good.
That'd be a good. Anniversary tour.
But The funny thing I was going to.
Say is so I mentioned the first job I was at which had parallels
with Oasis, you know, because, you know, losing rugby made
redundant, etcetera. And at the time of recording
tomorrow night, I'm I'm actually meeting up with some people from
there because it's like, I think it's now it's like 20 years or
whatever since we we went there. So we're going out for dinner
and one of the. Things that you know, I.
Remember, and it caught me off guard.
I, I remember seeing a story about Liam a few years ago and
it was talking about his girlfriend.
The name rang a bell and he's, well, I think it's his wife now.
And, and manager I worked with at that first company years ago.
She worked, she worked at that company.
She came in as, as I think she may have been a temp or she was
very new and she worked in the same area as my wife.
And, you know, and it's one of those things, you know, that
obviously you lose touch and, and things change.
But yeah, I'm just sticking up, you know?
She was up to the dinner tomorrow.
If only we'd. Still be in touch.
Touch. If only we still be in touch.
But yeah, I remember. Yeah.
It's funny because, you know, she was such a nice person.
So this whole podcast. Is just a giant PSA be nice to
your temps. Yeah, they don't know who they.
Are or well, the motto I live by is always be nice to everyone
that you you, you make. But yeah, no.
So it was just again, it was another funny link to Oasis and
how it's kind of always been part of my life for the last
sort of 30 years. Yeah.
In what? Yeah, in one way or.
Another, you have been weirdly connected to Oasis in an A
direct way. Yeah.
And that's that's what I was going.
To say look, you know, to sum it up for me, again, were they the
most original band? No, what you know.
But again, originality is, is subjective.
And give it a try, you know, listen to those besides listen
to the compilations, you know. And I think it's harsh when
people say they didn't change because they did, but I just
don't think people accepted it at the time.
I wonder if nowadays it would have been more of an audience
for it. I don't know, I think now if.
More people were willing to go back.
I think Dig Out Your Soul would be considered a better album
than what it was at the time. Yeah, I think so.
Yeah. Well, thank you for.
Making me. Go down memory lane.
Yeah, No, this was I, I. I had a goal and mission
accomplished. I love that like we were able to
walk through your life with Oasis and I think it's awesome
that you guys see like I didn't know you saw the net with that's
been great. That's like that's an iconic
concert. It's up there with like U2's Zoo
TV tour in Australia, you know, like, and that was my.
First concert. That was my first gig as well.
It's such a good concert, that is.
Such a good concert. That's a good first.
My first is so lackluster compared but.
But but they will have a meaning, right?
And like I said, it's that's why if they could do net worth in
two years time, that would be fate and that would mean I'm
getting the tickets for that. I think that's what they Noel,
if you're hearing. This your friend Dan.
You met him once in Sorrento. I was polite to you.
Yeah, he was. Polite to you?
Please send him a ticket to him and his lovely wife.
They they they'd love to see you again.
Oh dear. Well, look.
I think it's been a great conversation.
I know as soon as I press stop on this, I'm going to remember a
couple of stories. I probably should have shouted
out to you. I think you said it, but what's
your Oasis? And it's what's the story?
Morning, Lord. Like it's from my youth, it's
the tape that got played the most, and it's the album I have
the fondest memories of. In the same way that Like Dirt
from Alice In Chains is up there, the fun loving criminals
is up there. The Beastie Boys, it was just a
tape that got played a lot. And the people that my mom
worked with because she was an I was an only child and she was a
single mother. So it was like, well, I have I
have to be able to take Griffin with me.
And sometimes mom's Co workers were younger.
So while mom was getting me hooked into the B50 twos, the
Sex Pistols, the Ramones, her Co workers were getting me into
Primus, Danish Nails Ministry, Oasis, Jane's Addiction, Primus,
So Faith No More. And there are just some albums
and bands that I remember from those keystone moments in my
youth where I'm like, that's the 90s to me and what's the story?
Morning Glory. Throughout the years, I've seen
people, you know, talking about Oasis and I saw them become a
mega band and then I saw them break up and I lived through all
that and I remember like, say what you will, but what's the
story? Morning Glory is a really hard
album to beat. I feel the same way about Octane
Baby from U2. Like I, I love that album.
I, I like you too, you know, up and down the, the albums they
have. But Octane baby, I think is an
album that if more people sat down and listened to it, they'd
be like, oh, This is why they're as big as they are.
God, I understand now. Well, if they do.
Tour the States and if they tour near you and you fancy going,
let me know if you are going to go, let me know if you've got a
spare room and most definitely, most definitely.
Most definitely we will have you guys come on over.
We're near Austin, which is a big concert stage.
So you know, it's it's then we can do a live podcast in person.
We can live stream the concert. There you go.
And do our own bootleg as well
then. Yeah, the re, the reboot leg,
Oasis concert. There you go.
We'll all sit for the name asking reboots.
Yeah, there you go. Look, I have.
To say thank you very, very much, because it's not often I
get to talk about something like that for as long as I have.
And yeah, it's definitely brought back a lot of good
memories. So yeah, firstly, thank you for
that. I have to get you back on the
show. Like I said, I think you're
just, you're just incredible to speak to you.
Yeah, We're going to get you on for more about you, though.
You see, you've turned the tables.
That's it. That's that's your one and you
get that one. Who was the other one to turn
the tables? Game Club Pod and.
They did a sub series called between two pods where they
would interview, Oh yes, the podcast.
And so yeah, I was, I was on actually I've been on that
twice. So yeah, let's say done that.
Get me twice. Yeah, that's it.
That's it. You've you've had your one.
But yeah, before you go, do you just want it again?
Do you just want to shout out your your twitch stream and
anything else that you want to shout out where you can Sure yes
so. You can find the official
podcast, the Reboot Deboot podcast on Stitcher, good pods,
Apple Anchor, wherever podcasts live, and that is a movie review
podcast where my friend and I watch movies and their remakes
and reboots and then we discuss them side by side, analyze them,
compared and contrast them. If you're interested in me more
personally, I stream on Twitch at Twitch TV slash The Renegade
Jester and I'm on there every Monday through Thursday,
sometimes Fridays, sometimes Saturdays and I mainly play
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writers rooms on there too and then the self published books
which I will give my gracious code host Dan here the links to
and you guys can read those if you're interested.
Yeah, and also. If you haven't, go back to
listen to the mindwipe episode, and I'll probably link that as
well because that is just such a great listen to that Griffin
appeared on. So look, Griffin, thank you
again and thank you for entertaining me with talking
about this for so long. I will end by saying, yeah, so
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