1 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:19,560 Hello and welcome to the second episode of Season 7 of Casting 2 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,720 Reflections on Black Mirror. Well done. 3 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,600 I've just about got that right, haven't I? 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,720 You don't want to retake it. You're OK. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,520 I think you cracked it. Well done. 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,840 Yeah, I mean, really, it's only season 2 of casting reflections, 7 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,920 but let's let's say each season of the actual show was it? 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,160 Yeah, Yeah, that's fine. How are you done? 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:40,840 I'm good, thank you. How are you? 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,360 I'm all right after butchering that intro again. 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,400 I was just saying that she before literally just as we were 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,400 starting to record. I wish I'd seen this episode 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,160 again because I've just watched it the once. 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:57,200 And just to shout out now obviously spoilers for season 7 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,520 episode 2 Benoit of Black Mirror. 16 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:04,120 I found this an odd episode overall for a number of reasons. 17 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,000 What? What should just initial views 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,200 of this? My initial views is and we could 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,920 talk a little more into it, but I really, really liked it up 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,080 until it ended. Like I thought the concept of it 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:22,280 was great and the whole gaslighting theme was kind of 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,240 throughout it, and I thought that was really clever. 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,200 I just hated the way it ended. I agree with you, I agree with 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,560 you, but I also find it's a difficult one when I was 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,800 thinking about how we're going to talk about this because it 26 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,080 feels like a difficult one to try to apply to real life, but 27 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,160 but we'll come on to that. We'll come on to that. 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,080 Season 7 Episode 2 Bet Noir directed by Toby Haynes. 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:50,200 Now, he has directed a few shows that we've also discussed in the 30 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,040 past ourselves. He directed an episode of 31 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,160 Sherlock. He did The Reich and Backfalls 32 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,560 OK. He also directed the original 33 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,560 USS Callister. He's therefore directed the 34 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,600 second episode, which I've not seen. 35 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,639 He directed Demon 79 and he's also directed a few episodes of 36 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,400 Doctor Who. Now the two, the two main 37 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,720 actresses we're going to talk about they've they haven't got 38 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,840 too much in the way of a filmography. 39 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,920 And I thought our linking to DC has, sorry, our linking to 40 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:25,280 Marvel has ended. But I found a really tenuous 41 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,640 link. The director has directed some 42 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:31,600 episodes of Andor, the Disney Plus. 43 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,360 Disney owns Marvel. So that's my link. 44 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,640 I'm not, is it? Is it a link? 45 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:40,480 It feels a bit of a stretch. Moving on, Right? 46 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:47,240 It stars Sienna Kelly as Maria, Rosie McEwan as Verity. 47 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,880 Now, yeah, this debuted along with all the other episodes on 48 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,440 the 10th of April of this year. We get straight into it. 49 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,400 It starts off with Monday, which is, I don't know, I always like 50 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,240 it when you have these big, bold things come up on the screen 51 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,760 that tell you what time period it is. 52 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,160 But this is Monday and we see Maria and her boyfriend at home. 53 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,520 She's tasting some chocolates for work. 54 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,840 We find out that she works at a chocolate company. 55 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,760 She comes up with new flavours and she's she's trying a new one 56 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,120 she's just created. It cuts to her at work and 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,160 there's a group, A testing group trying it. 58 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:28,120 And the final person who comes in is Verity, who you can tell 59 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,280 Maria recognizes straight away. They're testing the chocolate 60 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,600 and a lot of the group don't like it. 61 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,840 But Verity tries it and she likes it and she she asks 62 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,760 everyone to try it again. And on the second taste, 63 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,760 suddenly the group starts to like it. 64 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,400 Verity and Maria meet in the restrooms where it's revealed 65 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,440 it's been 10 years since they last met, which was at school. 66 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,080 And Verity says she's going to apply for an assistant role in 67 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,000 Maria's team. And Maria looks uncomfortable 68 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,120 and says there is no role. You see there's tension between 69 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,280 them and you get the impression maybe there's been some bullying 70 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,080 because often that's the only reason why someone's going to be 71 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,480 really uncomfortable. Maria goes back to her computer, 72 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,920 looks on the company website and sees there is a role going. 73 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,080 We then find out in a conversation between Maria and 74 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:20,000 her boyfriend that Verity was seen as a brainy computer freak 75 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:23,320 and there was a rumour that she performed a sex act on a 76 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,280 teacher, that she was an easy target and one girl in 77 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:30,440 particular was quite evil towards Verity. 78 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,080 Maria is suspicious as to why Verity, who was a brainy 79 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,520 student, has been working as a travel agent, now wants to be in 80 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,240 food R&D. So that's Monday. 81 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,240 Anything in that initial bit for you? 82 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,680 I think I missed an important part there actually, didn't I? 83 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,960 About the cap? Yeah, I was going to say that 84 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,600 when she was talking to the research group, the group only 85 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,480 liked the chocolate because she suggested they like the 86 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,400 chocolate, and she was. So she got them to try it again. 87 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,840 And she was like, Oh no, it's so much better than the second time 88 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:04,400 round. Trust me, trust me, trust me. 89 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,920 And at that point, then they all all loved it. 90 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:10,400 Yeah, and I'm going to say something here, and I don't want 91 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,200 you to jump in just yet, but the important thing I missed is you 92 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:20,000 see that her boyfriend works at a chicken shop and he puts a hat 93 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,360 on the counter. And it was for me, probably 94 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,200 gives a bit away. It was this place called 95 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,120 Barney's. So Tuesday comes up, Verity's 96 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,920 being interviewed and to Maria's concern, she gets a job and 97 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,280 Maria asks her boss to dig around a bit more into Verity 98 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:38,960 because again she's saying why someone who's so clever at 99 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,720 school worked as a a travel agent now wants to be in her 100 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,000 business. Cuts to Wednesday and Maria and 101 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,400 her boss meet and he says Verity checks all came back clean. 102 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,200 He also lets her know that he is assigned Verity to shadow Maria. 103 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,120 Maria starts by making Verity list all the ingredients for a 104 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,840 new mallow treat that the company owner, Mr. Ditta is 105 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:08,040 interested in and is visiting them specifically to try. 106 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,720 Maria starts writing off the list of ingredients and she is 107 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,160 correcting on the spelling by the computer. 108 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,640 I think it was for a seaweed. I I didn't write it down because 109 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,360 it was a a weird word. And her colleagues are then 110 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,280 talking about a chicken shop called Barney, sorry, called 111 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:27,640 Bernie's, but Maria corrects him and says no, it's Barney's. 112 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,880 And then there's an argument, you know, because as I said, I 113 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,640 also saw the cap at the start of the episode, which confirmed it 114 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,920 was Barney's. So they argue it and she googles 115 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,000 it and the results do show that it's Bernie's, not Barney's. 116 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:46,160 So she goes home, looks at the cap and see, sees that it 117 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,360 changed from a Barney's cap to a Bernie's. 118 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,520 And I think it changed from red to purple. 119 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,600 Anyway, she's talking to her boyfriend about this, he starts 120 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,480 relating it to the Mandela effect. 121 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,240 They have an argument, she storms out and looks at school 122 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,440 photos where one of them shows Verity in the background looking 123 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,080 on. She then decides to message 124 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,120 Natalie Kane, who was the the girl that was nasty to Verity 125 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,680 and has started the rumours to let her know about Verity coming 126 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,600 back. But on the text message, we see 127 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,480 that they haven't spoken for four years. 128 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,840 Cut to Thursday, bosses visiting the office. 129 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,080 He tries the new chocolate, loves it and starts to ask what 130 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,640 the texture is. Maria says that it's held 131 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,400 together with a derivative from the seaweed that she'd listed in 132 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,920 the the ingredients. Oh, and I forgot to say that. 133 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,680 Yeah, Verity was then going to take the ingredients and bring 134 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,360 it to the chef to make. When she says that it's a plant 135 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,720 based derivative, the head chef looks very confused but doesn't 136 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,560 say anything. Yeah, she she described the 137 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,080 product as having a plant based derivative in the cook looked 138 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,360 horrified at that point and then it was realised that it did have 139 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,520 beef based gelatin in it. They go into the boss's office 140 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,320 and they're arguing and Verity says that all Maria said was 141 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,320 that it should be non pork gelatin and Maria is adamant 142 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,640 that she wrote carrageenan. They're arguing over this. 143 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,240 He asked to see the e-mail that Maria sent, but again, it says 144 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:22,800 non pork gelatin, whereas we know we saw earlier Maria write 145 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,880 the word carrageenan. She's forced to apologise and 146 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,080 later at home, she says to her boyfriend that Verity must have 147 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,080 done something as she was always a computer genius. 148 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,159 Natalie messages her back with a friend from school, but it's 149 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:39,480 actually a message from her husband who informs her that 150 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,280 Natalie had died a few days ago. Maria calls her back. 151 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,160 Now whilst this isn't a funny bit in terms of because she's 152 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,640 just found out someone has died, the the boyfriend was arguing 153 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,360 for her not to call him because he's going to be grieving. 154 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,640 And you can see the boyfriend cringing in the background, 155 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,520 can't you, when she calls him up to ask about him. 156 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,800 So we see him cringing in the background and and we find out 157 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,760 the friend took her own life after becoming increasingly 158 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,520 paranoid. Skip to Friday, Maria goes to 159 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,160 work and only Verity is there and she asks if she was sitting 160 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,000 out the team meeting that was going on. 161 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,720 They have an open conversation about their childhood and Verity 162 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,720 then drinks all of their colleagues milk chucking it on 163 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,760 the floor and then blames Maria. Now in a lead up to this, on 164 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,760 previous days there was a colleague in the office was 165 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,000 constantly complaining that her milk was being drunk or was 166 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,760 being used up. Almond. 167 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,320 Milk. Yeah, Yeah, Almond milk. 168 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,040 That's right. And yes. 169 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,520 So Verity drinks this milk, chucks it on the floor, blames 170 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,680 Maria. When the the rest of the team 171 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:48,160 come in, you know, Maria starts saying that Verity's drunk it, 172 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,080 Verity's drunk it, Verity blames her. 173 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,560 So they go to check the CCTV footage and it shows Maria 174 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:56,880 getting quite aggressive, grabbing the milk and drinking 175 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,960 it. She says it couldn't be her as 176 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,200 she has a nut allergy. When she says nut allergy, the 177 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,160 boss and the security guard don't recognize these words. 178 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,120 So when she googles nut allergy, it comes up and it says did you 179 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,160 mean not allergy? So now those the phrase nut 180 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,080 allergy means nothing. Right at that point she notices 181 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:23,800 a pendant on Verity that Verity is fondling and she believes 182 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,120 that it's that that's changing the facts. 183 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,880 She lunges to stop it. They're to take it, but it's 184 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,320 stopped and fired. Now this is where we get to the 185 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,480 bit you were saying that night. Just just just just before that, 186 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,680 just to kind of some of those points. 187 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:42,760 So when every time that reality is changed, well, what she sees 188 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,920 as reality is being changed. Verity makes a statement just 189 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,000 before which will sound when I watched it first time round, I 190 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,240 don't don't know if you felt the same, but always it felt odd 191 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:53,920 what she was saying when she was saying it. 192 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,600 But when you watch it second time round, it kind of makes 193 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,120 sense. So when it comes to the nut 194 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,040 allergy piece that the second before that she goes, no, such 195 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,000 fingers are nut allergy. And obviously you kind of like 196 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,040 your, your ears pick up a point because that's nonsense. 197 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,120 And then just before the CCTV footage was shown, she was like, 198 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,600 it was her, it wasn't me. And and again, it was like a 199 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,720 useless kind of you didn't need to say that out loud. 200 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,400 First time around it, it made me feel a bit weird when she said 201 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,080 it because it just it was out of place. 202 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,800 But then obviously as the story goes on, you understand why 203 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,760 she's saying it. Yeah, and I wish I'd seen it a 204 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,440 second time. So I think a lot of it would 205 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,640 make sense. And and I, I guess the one thing 206 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,800 I haven't stressed is that Maria, as the days have gone on, 207 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,640 has become increasing increasingly more. 208 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,160 I guess we would say the word paranoid because as we said, 209 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,920 she, she was convinced her boyfriend's, that chicken shop 210 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,800 was called Barney's and then it was Bernie's. 211 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,840 The incident where she knows she emailed a specific ingredient to 212 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,720 Verity and when they've looked at the e-mail, that word wasn't 213 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,520 there. I mean, the big one is obviously 214 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,800 the changing of the, the CCTV from Verity because they were 215 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,600 getting on. I think they'd reconciled from 216 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,360 Verity drinking the milk and throwing it on the floor to 217 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,880 Maria drinking the milk and throwing it on the floor. 218 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,320 So all this is increasingly making Maria think she's going 219 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,800 crazy, doesn't she? So that night she breaks into 220 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,880 Verity's home and she discovers a massive server room and a box 221 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,080 of pendants that are identical to the one Verity was wearing. 222 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,280 When Verity discovers Maria hiding under the bed, because 223 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,600 obviously Maria sees Verity still there, she hides under the 224 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,920 bed. Verity explains that after 225 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,920 finishing school, she became an expert programmer. 226 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,960 She created a quantum computer in her home that can shift her 227 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,040 to any timeline she desires through real time data she 228 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,360 gathered using the pendant as the remote, essentially meaning 229 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,120 she could do whatever she wants. She could change anything to her 230 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,320 will. She's been changing the 231 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,800 timelines around Maria in an attempt to drive her to suicide. 232 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,160 Verity reveals she did the same thing to Natalie as revenge for 233 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,200 the rumour that Maria started. Maria tries to reason with her, 234 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,200 but Verity reveals she has tried every path in life, with none 235 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:17,080 being as satisfying as revenge. Maria attempts to attack Verity, 236 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,600 but Verity alters reality to have armed police arrive, 237 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,720 placing a knife in Maria's hand. While restrained, Maria grabs an 238 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,680 officer's gun and shoots Verity in the face. 239 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,960 She quickly grabs A pendant, uses Verity's fingerprint to 240 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,760 shift to a timeline where it works for her, and after making 241 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,480 the police officers believe that Verity was the attacker, she 242 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,200 shifts reality several times to her own benefit. 243 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,880 Now one thing that was said earlier on when she finds out 244 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,400 that Verity's changing timeline, doesn't Verity say at one point 245 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,440 I even made myself Empress of the Universe, didn't she? 246 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,000 And it wasn't as fun as revenge. So the very final scene is 247 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,680 Verity, sorry, is Maria making herself the Empress of the 248 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:06,360 Universe. So that's a really, really quick 249 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:11,160 synopsis, but I think this episode probably has got quite a 250 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,440 quick summary. So ultimately woman makes 251 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,680 another woman go crazy by changing timelines around her to 252 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,560 make her that to doubt everything she currently 253 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,360 believes, right? Yeah, that's essentially it. 254 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,000 So what what? What were your kind of initial 255 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,120 thoughts? So when you finished the 256 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,280 episode, how did you feel? Exactly like you, I love the 257 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,160 idea of it. I love the premise. 258 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,440 I just saw the ending. I I don't know what I thought 259 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,560 about the ending. I know what he was trying to do, 260 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,400 but. Do do you think so? 261 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,920 We've discussed many black bear episodes in the past where we've 262 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,800 said I think it would have been better if we ended it like this. 263 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,600 On this one, I was disappointed with the ending and I couldn't 264 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,080 think how I could end it. So it was satisfactory. 265 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,080 Do you think there's an alternative way you could? 266 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,960 Because because in my mind, I had such a good like first 95% 267 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,920 and like, this episode is great. And then she goes from being 268 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,040 bullied and paranoid to Empress of the Universe in the space of 269 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,760 about 40 seconds. And I'm like, and when that 270 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,560 episode finishes, it's like, oh for goodness sake, like that's, 271 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,160 that was ridiculous. It's an interesting 1, isn't it? 272 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,600 Because one thing I didn't like is because we do find out that 273 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,520 Maria and that the other friend were bullies. 274 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,280 I mean, I think we find out it was actually Maria blamed the 275 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,320 other woman, that Natalie is a person who started the rumour 276 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,320 about the sex act on the teacher. 277 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,360 I think we find out it was Maria, don't we? 278 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,160 So the bully, the bully one at the end of it, that's one thing 279 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,640 I don't like. But yeah, it was just that that 280 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:47,280 whole if they'd have maybe showed it over like a like a do 281 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,960 it over a few minutes and showing her getting increasingly 282 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,640 crazy with power. And that's then when she made 283 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,080 herself the Empress of the universe. 284 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,480 But she just goes from having a struggle finding out about this 285 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,320 quantum computer, which she doesn't even question, right. 286 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,920 It's just, oh, you've created a quantum computer that can change 287 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,280 time to them making herself that. 288 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:11,600 I mean maybe I think I wonder if a better ending and maybe more 289 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:16,080 fitting with Black Mirror is that Verity then ultimately 290 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,960 erases Maria from everyone's memories and she becomes Maria. 291 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,800 Yeah, I think what would have been quite good is if I'd given 292 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,000 Verity a bit more of a back story. 293 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,520 So you felt sorry for her character to start with. 294 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,400 And then you'd kind of get to the episode end and I would 295 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,600 almost have like, like you said, the bully one. 296 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,720 At the end of the day, you you kind of find that out later on. 297 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,160 But always if you felt sorry for Verity and then she kind of won, 298 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,800 you know, not to the point where she committed suicide, but in a, 299 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,440 in a scenario where, you know, Maria's left unhappy, I think 300 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:50,960 that might have been a better ending. 301 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,480 Or that they kept changing timelines, that they're having a 302 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,000 battle with these pendants and they changed timelines so much 303 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,120 so it just the world rips apart or something. 304 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,960 I I. Also think they could have drawn 305 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,880 not drawn out. That's probably the wrong word, 306 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,880 but they could have really explored that, you know, the 307 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,720 little things making you go crazy. 308 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,680 I don't think they did that long enough because I think it 309 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,920 because when they did the CCTV, because all that other stuff on 310 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,560 there, you would question yourself, wouldn't you? 311 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,839 You would like, oh, maybe I didn't send that e-mail if the 312 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:25,599 evidence is here, maybe I've completely remembered that wrong 313 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:28,040 or maybe I didn't write that ingredient down. 314 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,400 Maybe I just remembered that wrong. 315 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,280 All that stuff is kind of believable. 316 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,080 What you would doubt yourself the second the CCTV got 317 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,320 involved. At that point it's like 318 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,000 blatantly obvious. It's, it's almost like we've 319 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,480 rushed the last few minutes, isn't it? 320 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,400 That's a really good point because everything up till then 321 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,280 maybe apart from the the nut allergy, I still find that funny 322 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,160 where they said, do you mean nut allergy? 323 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,440 Yeah, maybe if they made it more of a small, small steps, small 324 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,520 steps, maybe do it over a couple of weeks. 325 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,440 And it's just these little things because we've all done 326 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,000 that. Like you said, you know, you 327 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,880 think someone has said something to you. 328 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,440 When you say you go back to them, they say, no, I didn't say 329 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,160 that. Or you think you've read 330 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,000 something, but you've misinterpreted it. 331 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,600 Misinterpreted it. So basically you're you're 332 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,000 advocating her drawing out the poor woman's torture a little 333 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,640 bit more, aren't you? Yeah, but with the caveat. 334 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,160 But we feel sorry for her more by seeing more of her back story 335 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:21,840 because she just kind of, it almost introduces herself as a 336 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,920 bully and we don't understand why. 337 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,160 I'd like to hear a back story. It's like I said, really, really 338 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,880 really good idea. The other thing I found weird 339 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,200 about it though, is, and I know you shouldn't think about things 340 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,960 like this in a, in a show like Black Mirror, but you know, this 341 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,720 woman, OK, she was a computer nerd, but she's created a 342 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,360 quantum computer that can shift timelines. 343 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,240 You know, it's not even said that that she's worked for a 344 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,000 company or or something. It's just. 345 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,960 That or she's stolen it or been given it. 346 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,000 It's yeah, yeah, it's a bit. That bit's a bit silly, isn't 347 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,840 it? I said to you not to jump in at 348 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,680 the start, but the whole thing about the chicken shop, do you 349 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,760 want to say talk about that? Yeah. 350 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,200 So essentially Netflix, I don't, I mean, so I don't think Black 351 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,440 Mirror have done this before. Netflix had done this before, 352 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,320 but they've released 2 alternate episodes, haven't they? 353 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:19,480 Whereby in one episode it started off being Bernie's and 354 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,160 turned out to be Barney's with the change reality and in 355 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,440 another episode it did it the other way round so it was 356 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:31,320 Barney's and became Bernie's. Now when I we were texting about 357 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:37,680 this we saw different versions. However, when I re watched it I 358 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,520 had the version that you just explained. 359 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,640 Now I'm beginning to question myself whether I had the the 360 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,360 version the other the other way right way round in the first 361 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,280 place. But that's what I think this 362 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,240 does good. And that's what I will give this 363 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,080 episode credit for doing. So yeah, there were two 364 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,480 versions. I had the Barneys that turned 365 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:54,960 into Bernie's, and then I'll message you. 366 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,600 You said you had the Bernie's that turned into Barneys. 367 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:00,520 This time round when I'm watching it, I heard her say 368 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,000 it's definitely Barney's because it's like a barn where you keep 369 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,240 animals. And now I wish I'd known what 370 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,000 she said in the other version, because she would have said 371 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,560 something. She would have said something 372 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,400 different. This is what I was going to say. 373 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,840 So obviously this whole episode is on playing on gaslighting and 374 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:23,200 the Mandela Effect, right? And imagine if you and I, we'd 375 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,920 come on and we didn't know about that. 376 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,200 And I'm not saying Barney's turn into Bernie's. 377 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,240 You're probably sitting there. You would either one or two 378 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,640 things if you didn't want to say anything because you'd think, 379 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,920 did you get it wrong? I would have corrected you. 380 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,760 Well, I. Was going to say, yeah, knowing 381 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,320 you, you'd be like, daddy, you're feeling all right. 382 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,680 You know, it was Bernie's into, into Barneys. 383 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,880 Yeah, I I just think that that was a clever little thing. 384 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,560 I think at the start the, the problem is in this day and age 385 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,720 with the Internet, these things come out really quickly. 386 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,800 But yeah, Can you imagine if you or even if you you weren't doing 387 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,200 this episode and you just decided to watch it again, would 388 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,320 you be questioning yourself? I don't. 389 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,080 I don't think I would have picked up on it. 390 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,880 I I feel like we concentrate on these episodes because we're 391 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,600 we're going to talk to them and we look out for these details. 392 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,200 I'm not convinced. If I was just a casual viewer, I 393 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,440 would have noticed it. It's not the sort of detail you 394 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,680 would talk about either, right? It's not like, you know, you 395 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,160 wouldn't go and analyse it to the detail that we've just done 396 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,520 on this this podcast. We wouldn't talk about that 397 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,240 scene. I wonder if you watched it 398 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,240 quickly in succession though, like if you've had a few weeks 399 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,720 between, like I might not watch it for another few months now so 400 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,000 I won't remember. But if you were to watch it, 401 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,200 like sometimes I will watch his episode twice back-to-back, 402 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,280 1:00, so I can add some notes and two, just to enjoy it. 403 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,840 Yeah, indeed. Now if they'd done two versions 404 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,160 where the two actresses were completely reversed. 405 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,600 Yeah, that would. That would get us that. 406 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,160 I think I'd notice that like that that. 407 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,560 'D be brilliant. Imagine doing a imagine doing a 408 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,360 second watch of that and you're like, what? 409 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,760 You would be, I think you'd be, you would question your sanity, 410 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:00,960 wouldn't you? And then you would look it up on 411 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,560 the Internet and you'd go, oh that, that's quite clever. 412 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,200 That's actually class. That would be the far better 413 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,080 option. Yeah, that'd be the far better 414 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,920 option. The whole thing. 415 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,880 This got me thinking. So you know, you know the 416 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,440 Mandela Effect where people remember something to be 417 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,040 different to what it is or they find something out and they 418 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,800 they're sure their memory tells them it was something different. 419 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,040 Now long time listeners of this show knows that, knows that I 420 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:26,440 did an episode on the Mandela Effect. 421 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,760 And The thing is, you know, we've we've discussed like 422 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,200 things are going streaming, there's more and more streaming 423 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,000 on the streaming. People are changing things and 424 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,640 they don't have to tell people like Stranger Things in the last 425 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,440 series that came out, directors changed some of the effects in 426 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,080 the some of the episodes, but didn't tell people what or 427 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,160 where. They just did it. 428 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,600 They were, I think they weren't happy. 429 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,960 So again, if you're watching that and then you rewatch it and 430 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,120 you notice something's different, you're going to think 431 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:58,600 that's a Mandela Effect, right? And there was that show on 432 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,120 Apple. I don't know if you watched it. 433 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,440 Is it with that Rob Mcaleny in it? 434 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:08,120 So it's called Mythic Quest. The show got cancelled after the 435 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:11,960 last season so they weren't happy with the ending so they 436 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,840 redone the last episode and have uploaded it and took away the 437 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:21,000 original ending. So again, are we in an age now 438 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,120 where these things are happening and we are going to start 439 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,000 questioning ourselves? But because streaming can change 440 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,160 at any point, we're starting to doubt our our minds. 441 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,200 Before I come on, I did try and think there was a way that I 442 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,720 could drop things on into this conversation to, to question 443 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,640 your sanity and see if I could kind of catch you out on I, I, I 444 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,520 couldn't think of one in time to, to do it. 445 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,160 Oh, I've don't worry. I think my, my, my brain's so 446 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,960 tired tonight. I think already some of the the 447 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,000 mistakes I've made during this is is has been fine. 448 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,880 I mean, I like the episode in a whole because I said guests like 449 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,640 Mandela Effect streaming fake news and Big Brother. 450 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,320 That sort of thing has always been something that we as people 451 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,960 have been fascinated. We've nothing faint news in the 452 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,240 last few years since COVID especially has become massive, 453 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,120 right? But it's you see what I'm saying 454 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,880 that it's a hard episode, I think to try to apply to real 455 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,640 life because it would then mean we'd need to have one of these 456 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,760 clickers. So if you had one of these 457 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,040 pendants, I bet you'd have a field day, right? 458 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,920 Yeah, what would you do with it? What wouldn't you do with it? 459 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,960 I think. I guess I guess if if any if the 460 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,760 scope wasn't everything then. This is a thing. 461 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,400 It's a proper cheat code, isn't it? 462 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,320 Well, other than her untimely death, there was no 463 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,240 ramifications for Verity constantly using it, was there? 464 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,200 Yeah, yeah, agree. No penalty I is I guess is what 465 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,680 I mean. And do you think she aged? 466 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,000 Like, do you think she was just living one life or do you think 467 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,560 she kept on going back to do it again? 468 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,280 That bit wasn't clear, was it? No, I got the impression it was 469 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,160 just one life but she was just able. 470 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,960 And she didn't undo some of the stuff that she said. 471 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,880 So she also like, got her speak in Chinese, didn't she? 472 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,040 And then she didn't undo the Chinese. 473 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,760 She just suddenly started speaking English again. 474 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,880 Oh, and I guess the important thing is to say that I think 475 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,440 what a secondary watch will do is as you pointed out in the 476 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,840 focus group where she got people to to change their minds about 477 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,360 the chocolate is you can see when she's she's touching that 478 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:28,040 pendant is ultimately when she's activating. 479 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,640 Yeah. And and then you can see when 480 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,120 she's influencing. So on the on the Barney's thing, 481 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,680 she made a slide comment saying actually I think it was 482 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,400 Barney's. And you don't notice that on the 483 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,960 on the 1st watch. The second watch it's definitely 484 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,480 worth a go to to notice when she's influencing the room. 485 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,560 I guess, yeah, If you have that power, it's it's a small little 486 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,880 things. Like you said, you could just 487 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,400 change anything you have. You have a bad conversation at 488 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,960 work, you just change it and you say no. 489 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,920 That project I had to do was perfect. 490 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,560 Do you not find though, maybe going off onto a bit of a 491 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,520 tangent here with the whole gaslighting thing, People don't 492 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,560 have pendants, but I feel like this happens a bit in today's 493 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,360 world in, in the because we both work in office environments. 494 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,480 Do you not feel it happens sometimes on the small scale 495 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,400 kind of gaslight? It's like, well, no, you said 496 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000 this and I said this and so and so said this. 497 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,120 And there's always this influence in by stretching the 498 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:22,480 truth a little bit, by exaggerating just that little 499 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,040 bit to to kind of change the tone or the message. 500 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,880 Yeah, especially if something isn't written down, you know, 501 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,800 anyone can say I told you to do this. 502 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,960 And especially if it's a position of power to somebody 503 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,360 under their power, then that person is probably more likely 504 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:43,040 to doubt themselves, right, The person who who's been spoken to. 505 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,560 So, yeah, I think people always have been, whether it's to cover 506 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,480 up their own mistake maybe or, or just because they generally 507 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,400 believe it. Yeah, you must have little 508 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,560 instances of this happen all the time, but yeah, I I think you'd 509 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,440 have fun with it. I think I was going to say, 510 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,440 think of all the football results we could change. 511 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,680 Football results but but also as well because again we, we both 512 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,160 work in IT and we both work in kind of support service 513 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,120 operational areas. We could just wipe out any any 514 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:16,880 bad issue that we encountered. Right. 515 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,360 Yeah, Yeah, that's not really an issue. 516 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,760 It wasn't me. I just felt the ending was very 517 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,200 rushed. Like I said, that Maria quickly 518 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,960 got a plan together and yeah, just that Empress of the 519 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,720 Universe thing felt just so silly and forced. 520 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,880 And I thought the other thing was when she shot that Verity. 521 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,040 That was quite gruesome as well, wasn't it? 522 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,520 It was. Yes, it was, wasn't it? 523 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,360 It was a bit. It was a bit of a shock. 524 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,480 Came out of the blue, didn't it? It was. 525 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,480 It was quite it was quite gory, quite graphic. 526 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,480 See, I don't think they didn't. I didn't need to kill her off, I 527 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,920 just think like seeing her suffer in a prison cell or 528 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,240 something along those lines would have been OK as an end 529 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,320 then. I just don't think we needed a 530 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,760 death in there. Yeah, they could have arrested 531 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,320 her, put her in a prison. Then you can find out that maybe 532 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,000 she had or, or put her in the back of a police van and you 533 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,160 find out she's got one of those pendants hidden in a shoe or 534 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,360 something. Yeah. 535 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,840 Yeah, agreed. And like they, they made a point 536 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,400 of saying like the pendants are like programmed by fingerprint 537 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,960 or whatever it was. Yeah, and Ravine, 5 seconds, 538 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,000 that was undone. So it's like, why? 539 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,480 Why even bother putting the limitation on in the 1st place 540 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,400 like and? I also like the fact that in a 541 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,600 bedroom, she had a box with about 15 of them or something, 542 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,440 wasn't it? It was like a whole jewelry box 543 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,360 full of them. It's like how many of you lost 544 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,080 in the past? Yeah, exactly. 545 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,000 What she could have, what she could have done though, is just 546 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,440 wiped out the bullying thing from school. 547 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,480 Like she didn't need to get revenge. 548 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,360 She didn't. She didn't need to get revenge. 549 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,520 She could have just gone into a universe where that just didn't 550 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,800 happen. Quite, quite a short episode, 551 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,920 but yeah. Yeah, true, true. 552 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,000 You know what? Yeah. 553 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,280 You see that is again Dan you've you can't really sensible 554 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,640 suggestion. I think too much about these 555 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,760 things. I mean, there was a few things I 556 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,800 was going to point out. There was a few Easter eggs in 557 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,680 there. So I I don't think I picked up 558 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,240 any of these. So did did you pick up any that 559 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,280 you want to shower? I didn't. 560 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,080 I didn't pick up any Easter eggs. 561 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,560 I thought there might have been some Easter eggs in the name of 562 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,160 the company, the name of the brand, but I don't recall there 563 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,120 being but. No, so the only thing I think 564 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,320 with the brand was that it was referenced in the previous 565 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,280 episode. Common people. 566 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,640 And I haven't checked these, but you know, I've got no ways doubt 567 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,600 it. But Barney's Chicken is where 568 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,040 Kenny worked in season 3 episodes Shut Up and Dance. 569 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880 OK. A Verity's previous work 570 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,480 experience on a LinkedIn profile includes Wayhaven Travel, and 571 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240 that's a hotel chain featured in Shutu and Dance. 572 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,040 Outside the data testing lab is a Gemini Orbits poster, which is 573 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,320 a callback to the doomed spacecraft. 574 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,120 And beyond the sea, the data building is situated opposite a 575 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,040 Tuckersoft billboard and that's the maker of the game that was 576 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,160 the source of Black Mirror Banda Snatch. 577 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,800 When Maria's boyfriend plays with AVR, the creatures of the 578 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,400 video gaming placing which is a later episode can be heard. 579 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,920 The organic milk is the same brand as a chocolate milk Robert 580 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,560 Daly drinks in USS Callister and it makes an appearance in the 581 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,520 second one. And the company Maria and Verity 582 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,400 worked for was did tell the maker of honey hugs referenced 583 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,360 in common people. Now Bandersnatch mentioned 584 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,120 there. I sent you something the other 585 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,760 day and again talk not quite on the Mandela Effect thing, but 586 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,720 did you see that Netflix of now? I think they've removed that 587 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,480 episode from Netflix. No, I, I, I saw your news 588 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,600 article. It said they weren't going to 589 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,760 remove it. I didn't never done it yet. 590 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,000 Well, and the reason being is because that and another show 591 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,400 that one, that one was interactive so you could make 592 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,400 choices and apparently Netflix are updating their software, 593 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,280 which means that wouldn't work anymore. 594 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,480 So again, imagine you sit down and you say I want to watch 595 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,560 Banda Snatch. It's not there. 596 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,600 You're going to start. Did it even exist? 597 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,600 I was thinking why couldn't they release it as just a stand alone 598 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,680 film? But yeah, if you if if those of 599 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,280 you listening have done it, you'll know why. 600 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,000 But yeah, I just think it's funny with this technology now 601 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,720 that we are having to remove episodes because the updates to 602 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,120 the technology can't run it. Yeah, I mean, this was a fairly 603 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,760 quick episode, but like I said, it's I think the subject was not 604 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,920 as in depth as as some of the others, but I guess it was a fun 605 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,720 episode on a fun subject. What would you rate it? 606 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,400 Just before you rate it, one thing I was going to say is I 607 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,640 thought the actresses, both the actresses are really, really 608 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,720 good. I thought they they played those 609 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,080 parts well. She got more and more frantic 610 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,640 and paranoid, and the other one got a little bit more psychotic 611 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,800 as the story went on. Quite good. 612 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,880 Yeah, really good point that Verity starts off as quite as 613 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,960 shy, like she's a new person in the company's shy, like the harm 614 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,720 innocent. You know, I'm just trying to get 615 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,000 a job. And then like he said, when she 616 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,880 reveals herself with the milk bit at the end, she she just 617 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,720 totally changes. Doesn't she just switched? 618 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:13,680 Yeah, I'm going to give this one a six because I just can't hide 619 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,240 from how disappointed I was at the end. 620 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,360 I'm annoyed because I'm going to give it 6 as well. 621 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,400 Really. Yeah, Yeah. 622 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,440 Well, I'm annoyed because you've got the same score as me. 623 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,200 Usually you score a little bit higher than me, so I was open to 624 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,760 go. Oh, no, I'm going to be tougher 625 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,360 than you. Yeah, again, I like the. 626 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,280 I like the subject. I thought it was good the ending 627 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,640 yeah just just let it down. It it, it ruined what? 628 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,600 Well, not ruined, but it it let down what was a really big build 629 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,200 up. And yeah, like I said, just 630 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,800 about that she you go into a house which had these massive 631 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,840 quantum computers, this pendant. Thing is, it was, what was it, a 632 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,400 47 minute episode? 47 minutes or something like 633 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,320 that. 51. 51 so some Black Mirror episodes go on for like 634 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,600 an hour and a half, so it felt like they had a bit more time to 635 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,840 play with. So I think they didn't have to 636 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,880 rush it. Obviously, obviously people can 637 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,160 tell. I'm really frustrated with the 638 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,920 way it ended, but just just felt like there's opportunity and 639 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,600 they've swandered it. Yeah, like you said, you know 640 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,400 where because I just had a look ahead. 641 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,840 So the next episode is 78 minutes. 642 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,080 So they they've got the ability to, as you say, have a bit of 643 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,120 time. But, you know, it's there are 644 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,000 probably some people out there who, who, who think where were 645 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,680 miserable and they loved the endings. 646 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,240 Yeah, maybe, probably right. Maybe they maybe they saw a 647 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,760 completely different ending. Maybe if you did, let us know 648 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,840 and I might put out a second, second episode of this. 649 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,160 I might update this a week after I put this out just to correct 650 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,360 some things, but anything else about this one you wanted to 651 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,480 talk about? No, I think, I think we've 652 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,720 covered it all. I guess the one thing I probably 653 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,680 should ask, did this feel like a Black Mirror episode to you? 654 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,040 Did it feel like a Black episode? 655 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,320 It's funny you say that because at some points while watching 656 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,600 it, I did feel like this was more stand alone and siloed from 657 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,679 the rest of them. And I can't tell you why I felt 658 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,639 that. So it's funny that you've asked 659 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:14,880 me that, because I did feel that. 660 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,679 I'm the same it it. It could almost be up until the 661 00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,560 last five minutes, but it feels like it could almost be just 662 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,280 some sort of psychological drama. 663 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,440 It's I, I think the reason why I ask that is because a lot of the 664 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,679 Black Mirror episodes tend to have either that massive impact 665 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,840 of technology right throughout it, or it's quite sinister at 666 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,920 the start, isn't it? There's that, that overtone. 667 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,800 I do wonder, and maybe it's not linked to that at all, but that 668 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,400 you mentioned it about the dramatic announcement of what 669 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,239 day it was. I don't know if that had like 670 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,639 some sort of impact on my viewing of it in in some sort of 671 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,199 weird way that made it seemed different to Black Mirror. 672 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,760 I don't know. Maybe, and the only reason I say 673 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,960 that is because it's very unusual, because you didn't 674 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:03,040 really need to know that it was Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday. 675 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,800 Completely unimportant, wasn't it? 676 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,560 Apart from the fact that everything unravelled within a 677 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,920 few days. Yeah, like Russ, literally what 678 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,080 they were trying to establish. Yeah, but it comes up full 679 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,000 screen, doesn't it? It's almost like a jump scare, 680 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,280 you know, It's it's. Jarring, isn't it? 681 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,240 It's not like it's gentle. It was quite jarring when they 682 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,840 announced what day it was. Maybe that's what work feels 683 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,400 like. Maybe that's the impact they 684 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,680 were trying to introduce it. This is what a day at work feels 685 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,160 like. We're going to jar you into 686 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,560 business. OK, well, you had a you had a 687 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,800 high scoring one last week. We've gone to six, six. 688 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,280 I think it just means it's a solid episode, right? 689 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,240 It's not. It's not terrible, but. 690 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,240 Yeah, solid could be better. Yeah. 691 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,720 And just actually one more thing for me, what you said about the 692 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:46,000 two leads. Yeah, because when I was looking 693 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,920 them up, they haven't actually done that much. 694 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,520 So it's like they're fairly. It's not like they've got a 695 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,880 massive catalog. I think I said this at the 696 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,760 start. So you know, for how well they 697 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,880 portrayed those two roles and being ultimately the two main 698 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,800 roles, right, it was only the the boss and the boyfriend, I 699 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,880 think that had the next biggest roles, right? 700 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,360 So. Yeah, I don't think you did 701 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,040 mention it at the start. OK. 702 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,320 No, I'm, I'm joking. I was going there. 703 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,880 You go well, so I I, I couldn't let my mum. 704 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,920 You got it in, you got me. You got anything else should be 705 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,360 done before we go other than having having fun at my expense 706 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,120 again? No, I think I'm done now. 707 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,360 I could do it offline as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 708 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,920 We will see you next time for another episode of Casting 709 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,720 Reflections on Black Mirror, where it will be Season 7, 710 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:46,200 Episode 3, Hotel Reverie 2334. If I want your opinion, I will 711 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,360 give it to you.