1 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:12,080 Dan and Dan with the gaming flair Pixel Dreams and Worlds to 2 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,000 share joystick tales and button cues. 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,760 Welcome to Gaming Views. Level up, we're on the go. 4 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:26,200 Power of. Silly audio flow from the Rachel 5 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,320 to the new reviews. It's a life of games with gaming 6 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,040 views. Hello and welcome to Episode 3. 7 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,400 Yes, that's right, three of gaming views with your host, me 8 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,800 Dan. And me, Dan? 9 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,440 I should just copy that bit. We could repeat that. 10 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:48,000 Dan and Dan, you can just do both voices if you want. 11 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,640 Episode 3, Dan, look at that. I know it's gone quickly, isn't 12 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,800 it? I'm, I'm excited about this one. 13 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,000 You threw me a bit of a challenge. 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,360 It was a bit of a curveball. So you know, my memory not as 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,680 good as it as it used to be. I had to troll the databanks 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,400 from many years ago to come up with something. 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,440 But I, I, I think we've got it. I think I'm there. 18 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,440 I don't think it's ever a good, good idea to to criticise the 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:12,800 the people that interact with us. 20 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,320 But no, don't blame me, blame the people that voted for the 21 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:19,160 subject that we picked today. Always I I've always blame 22 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,560 someone else instead of you or me. 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,200 Yeah, so as I said, welcome to episode 3. 24 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,600 So we are still relatively new, but if you heard last week's 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,960 episode, we are going to talk about all things gaming and 26 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:33,320 we're going to have a main talking point each week. 27 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:35,680 Although this week I've I've thrown you a curveball again. 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:36,760 I've got 3. Really. 29 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:41,680 Yeah, this week we put it out to the people on socials, I think. 30 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,640 I can't remember the topics we gave them, but the ultimate 31 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,760 winner was arcades. Now I've got some fond memories 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,480 of them. We don't really have them 33 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,960 anymore, do we you? Say that, but go on holiday with 34 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,160 children somewhere near the seaside and they will absolutely 35 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,720 find an arcade. My wallet will tell you so. 36 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,040 All right, so we've got stories to hear then. 37 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,080 So yeah, before we get on to that, we're going to start off 38 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,600 with what we've been playing. So yeah, what have you been 39 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,200 playing since we last recorded? So when we last recorded, I was, 40 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,240 I was, I was neck deep in blueprints. 41 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,840 But I, I kind of took a little bit of a step back from it 42 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,120 because I think my brain was so fried after achieving quite a 43 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,840 bit of it and then realising it wasn't quite a bit of it. 44 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,840 So since then, obviously Oblivion and remasters come out. 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,720 I played a little bit of that just for the nostalgic kick. 46 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,320 Not as much as you, I think, and it's fair to say, but mainly 47 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,840 because I became a little bit, I call it re obsessed because I 48 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,960 was originally obsessed when I looked at my my kind of steam 49 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,320 camp timer on on no rest for the wicket and realised I'd actually 50 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,520 put nearest damn it, 100 hours into it when it first launched 51 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,640 an early access about a year ago. 52 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:56,800 And they've just launched the breach update, which came out on 53 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,920 the 30th. Yeah, I've just been pumping 54 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:01,920 hour after hour into that. So I haven't had a lot of other 55 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:04,760 time for anything else. We talked about Clara Obscure 56 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,360 Expedition 33 and I, I did start, but it was quite late at 57 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,240 night and I managed about 20 minutes of running around the 58 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,760 harbour. And that was that was that was 59 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,320 it. So, so that that's the next one 60 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:18,320 for me. I'm going to, I'm going to pick 61 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,240 up the controller again on that in there in, in a few days and, 62 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,040 and see where I get to. How about you? 63 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,600 I just want to pick something up you said, actually, before I go 64 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,320 onto mine. No rest for the wicked. 65 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,000 So for people listening, Dan, you've been talking to me about 66 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,520 this game from months and you've mentioned it. 67 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:35,280 I remember listening back to the last episode, you talked about 68 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,120 it on there as well. And it's a game I'm really 69 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,040 looking forward to, but I really don't know much too much about 70 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,240 it. So did you say it's done by? 71 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,800 Is it the people that did the Ori games? 72 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,880 Yeah. Moon Studios, yes, essentially, 73 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,960 yeah. They, they, these guys have 74 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,320 studio led by a guy called Thomas Marla. 75 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,120 And essentially it's just been a bit of a passion project for 76 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,280 them. They just decided that for a 77 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,880 long time they wanted to create an action RPG. 78 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,280 I guess you'd call it a little bit souls like or souls like. 79 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:07,520 Maybe it's not it's it's hard, but it's not impossible. 80 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,160 So for me to say that and pick that up given my dispassion for 81 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,760 souls like games, is that something? 82 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,079 But it's it's kind of it's got a very unique, almost isometric 83 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:22,120 camera angle with this kind of special zoom layer that they 84 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,680 created for it. It's almost got this hand 85 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,000 painted aesthetic and it's beautiful. 86 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,240 It's, it's a stunning game and, and the the gameplay loop I 87 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,320 think is the thing that keeps drawing me back because it's not 88 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,360 just the, you know, combat and the looting. 89 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,920 I think there's, there's quite a lot of it that that revolves 90 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,720 around kind of building and crafting. 91 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,240 And, and it's got this lovely little kind of gameplay loop 92 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,760 where, you know, I've I've now created this pattern in the 93 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,040 first area where I know this run that I'll do to pick up certain 94 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,400 crafting materials and, you know, take out certain bounties 95 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,400 and enemies and things. So it's just got this lovely 96 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,200 little thing and this, this, this update is essentially 97 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,920 doubled the size of the game. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's in 98 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,720 early access. It's it's only on Steam. 99 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,080 It is launching on all consoles. So it's going to be, you know, 100 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,760 kind of a big launch when it gets to version 1.0. 101 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,000 But the thing they did with with this one, the reason I've played 102 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,000 it quite a bit this time round is because they, they reset the 103 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,720 realms. So you, you start on a realm and 104 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,440 they reset the realms this time. So you're essentially starting 105 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,240 from scratch again right from the beginning of the story, 106 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,200 which is kind of I was a bit frustrated with because I 107 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,480 thought, oh God, it was quite hard the beginning of the game 108 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,720 when you're kind of essentially just a hobo wandering around 109 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,720 with a stick. But actually, because I knew and 110 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,320 understood the mechanics. And the thing I love about the 111 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,400 studio is they are so quick to react to feedback. 112 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:38,280 It's becoming more frequent because of the, the popularity 113 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:40,640 and vocalism of people who play the, the games and stuff. 114 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,880 But they're really quick. Like they, they've released 2 115 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,640 hot fixes since the 30th now. So what, we're like 5 days in 116 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,520 and they've fixed, you know, certain bits and pieces around 117 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,040 the game, which, which frustrated people. 118 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,840 So yeah, just phenomenal. I genuinely look forward to when 119 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,240 people get a chance to play out on, you know, bigger platforms 120 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,320 and, and kind of because I, I do think it's going to be a, a big 121 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,880 hit. Well, I've been looking forward 122 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,280 to that. So yeah, no rest for the wicked 123 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:05,480 keeper. An eye and an ear out for that. 124 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,680 For me, it's been, it's been a bit of a mixed week gaming 125 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,600 because I was playing Oblivion and I've taken a break from that 126 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,720 because I I'd hit the dark brotherhood. 127 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,560 So I completed that quest line, completed the mages Guild. 128 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,280 And while I enjoy doing those, I feel like I needed to go back to 129 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:24,960 the main quest. But then the problem was, and I 130 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,800 said to you yesterday morning when when we met up, I turned 131 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,000 into a vampire. I didn't realise I'd. 132 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,160 Contract. And so there's a, there's 133 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,680 obviously a quest to cure it, but it's, I, I had memories of 134 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,520 it being a real pain in the neck. 135 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,560 And you have to do this, go get this, go get this. 136 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,880 And then you have to get like 5 grand soul gems. 137 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,360 And I thought I'd bought 5. I'd go all the way back to the 138 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:48,440 person. I only had four. 139 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,880 So I had to go find another one. Anyway, I was getting really 140 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,560 frustrated and I saw there's actually a really quick way to 141 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:56,520 cure it. There is. 142 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,920 There was a bit of DLC that was released after the original 143 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,680 years ago, but it's part of this package now. 144 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,400 There's a cave. All you have to do is go there, 145 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,640 you pick some salt up off a wall and touch a pillow and it kills 146 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:13,640 it instantly. It's almost like they had a lot 147 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,160 of complaints about how difficult and stressful getting 148 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,880 rid of vampirism was and built in a a quick fix. 149 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,720 So, so I'm no longer a vampire, but I'm also no longer playing 150 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,160 it because I've, I've taken a break. 151 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,840 Now the main game I started was Expedition 33 and I'm absolutely 152 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,640 loving it. You know the conversation we had 153 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,040 last week about the developers, Apparently this was done by a 154 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,200 group of 30 and a lot of them had never coded a game I think 155 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:39,680 before. Wow. 156 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,080 If I, if I read that right, it was people that were, I saw a 157 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,600 tweet today and I, I meant to, to keep it, but I think they 158 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,440 were bored with what they were being asked to do in the jobs 159 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,640 they were in. And so we've come together and 160 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,840 have coded this and it's a great looking game. 161 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,800 It's I remember you saying in the last episode, you didn't 162 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,080 particularly get on with the turn based games, but I think 163 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,800 you'll get on with this. I think this feels different, a 164 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,760 little bit of souls like in there in that if you rest, the 165 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,480 enemies respawn and there's a definite pattern to the enemies. 166 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,800 But what I'm loving about this is the combat. 167 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,920 It's got a parry and a dodge system. 168 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,360 The parry is really difficult because you have to be perfect, 169 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,000 but if you do, you do a counter attack and it can be really 170 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000 powerful. And when you get it right, 171 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,000 there's just that satisfaction, you know? 172 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,560 Yeah, it's a nice little hook. Yeah, so it's keeping me, that's 173 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,440 keeping me hooked at the moment. But the other game, I started 174 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,559 another game because I'm going to be guesting on another pod 175 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,400 talking about it was, and it's a game I remember talking to you 176 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,080 about about 15 years ago. Bioshock. 177 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,520 I'm replaying Bioshock. Oh. 178 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,440 My God, what a what an amazing game. 179 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,160 And that and the sequel, to be fair, I mean, just, yeah. 180 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:57,280 Would you kindly, I mean, you know, just Ken Levine again, you 181 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,320 know, I think a lot of these things you need to separate art 182 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,320 from the artist and that everyone has an opinion, right. 183 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,480 But, you know, his work is, is unparalleled, I think, in terms 184 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,840 of what he's done. And, and Bioshock 2 was, was 185 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,920 phenomenal. He just built on everything from 186 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,800 the predecessor story wise, you know, the lighthouses theme 187 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,560 that, you know, many worlds. I it's just brilliant. 188 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,200 Absolutely. I'm really looking forward to 189 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,240 his next game actually. Yeah, because that's that's in 190 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,080 development, isn't it? Yeah, I remember when I started 191 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,880 playing this, I thought, yeah, I can't wait to mention this 192 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,160 because I remember talking to you about it when we were 193 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:28,760 working together all those years ago. 194 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,240 And yeah, it's it's a great game. 195 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,680 I like the second. I even enjoyed Infinite. 196 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,120 And yeah, this is the remastered. 197 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,480 And the only the only story I'll tell about this quickly is so I 198 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,880 was on APCI was gaming on APC at the time, but I wasn't 1 to get 199 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,200 the the best PC and I wasn't one to upgrade it. 200 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,800 And it was really starting to struggle towards the end of its 201 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,680 time. The demo for Bioshock came out 202 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:54,480 and you know it's, it's literally the beginning of the 203 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,480 game where you're in the plane, you crash into the ocean and 204 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,240 it's on fire. My PC kept crashing and couldn't 205 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,280 handle the flames in the water. So I couldn't actually even play 206 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,160 the demo. So it was about a year late when 207 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,320 I finally got the Xbox. I got the Xbox and there were 208 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,440 three games really that I really wanted with it that I'd gotten 209 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,920 released. One was GTA4, one was Mass 210 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,440 Effect, and the other was Bioshock. 211 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,040 They they were my first three games. 212 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:19,880 Yeah, but, but I got fond memories of Bioshock. 213 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,480 I think it was one of those, you know, a bit like Half Life at 214 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,040 the time. When you kind of start playing 215 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,240 it, you realise it's, you know, you get a certain amount and you 216 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,640 realise it's not what you thought it was. 217 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,040 What's weird is I replayed them probably about two or three 218 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:37,200 years ago and it's, you know, with the innovations in how you 219 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,880 control, how you move, how you, you know, dual wield all these 220 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,360 things. It it feels very clunky. 221 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,520 The first one again, I don't know if you you felt that when 222 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,760 you kind of went back to it and the switch in between. 223 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,960 I can't remember what they call them in again, but but it but it 224 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,960 does feel a bit clunky and a bit unwieldy. 225 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,600 But yeah, I mean, looks this is a big Daddy's just a just a 226 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,160 genius, you know, thing to yeah. And how many games now have 227 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,160 vending machines as an option to to? 228 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,720 Pick up the, you know, Yeah, yeah. 229 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,360 And even the hacking mini game which I forgot which was back in 230 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,040 the day, was a game in itself. That's pipes is the. 231 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,120 Yeah, Pipes. Yeah, Pipes. 232 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,800 Yeah, that was a fully fledged game. 233 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,160 They've got it as a hacking mini game. 234 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:18,640 Exactly. Oh, this is this is the 235 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,200 evolution of gaming. Yeah. 236 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,440 So that's what we've been playing. 237 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,520 We'll go on to the main talking point shortly, but there were 238 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,440 two things that have happened this week. 239 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,960 Well, by the time we listen to this, it'll be last week. 240 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,720 The first one was a quick one I wanted to throw at you was GTA 6 241 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:36,520 being delayed until May 2026. Now, the only reason I, I wanted 242 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,080 to raise this for you is 1. Obviously it's a big story. 243 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,440 It's a big story in the gaming world. 244 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,640 But yeah, it was reported all on mainstream news. 245 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,280 Like I was listening to the talk sport radio channel and on the 246 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,120 news, it was one of the headlines on the news. 247 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,480 My wife messaged me. She sent me the BBC article 248 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,480 saying did you know Grand Theft Auto? 249 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,520 It's been delayed and I know gaming has hit the meteor a 250 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,880 number of times, but it feels weird that delayed game is 251 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,000 making the national press. Yeah, I mean, this is this is 252 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,720 one of the few games, maybe the only game that can move markets. 253 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,280 I mean, it's it's insane when you think about GTA5, you know 254 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:22,640 that that sold a billion copies in three days, a billion, right? 255 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,040 I mean talk talk about Clara Obscura Exposition 33 a million 256 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,480 copies in three days, right and that was a big success for them 257 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,880 right, a bit a billion. So so this is a game that, you 258 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,000 know, that that really does can move markets and and I think, 259 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,920 you know, look, let's be honest, I think because it was always 260 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,200 pinned as a full 25 release date, a lot of the industry has 261 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,520 breed the sigh of release. Really certainly those who were 262 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,520 going for maybe a game of the year award because, you know, 263 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:51,280 they kind of kind of there's no chance. 264 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,880 I was reading an article and they're basically saying, you 265 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,720 know, it's any release around the time of GTA is a bit like, 266 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,800 you know, I think the quote was throwing a bucket of water at 267 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,760 tsunami. You know, you've got no hope of 268 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,760 getting any traction across media, across anything else in 269 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,440 terms of your game when this when the hype is so big around 270 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:10,880 that release. And that could be, you know, 271 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,640 months either side. You know, it's nice they pinned 272 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,600 the date on it, you know, the 26th of May next year. 273 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,600 So, you know, I think a lot of people looking forward to it, 274 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,040 but I think a lot of developers now also be scrambling to kind 275 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,600 of go, oh, crap, I was going to because there's some big games 276 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,080 next year, right? So then now they kind of go, 277 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,080 where am I going to move to? What am I going to do with mine? 278 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,400 Do I bring it forward? Do I put it back? 279 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,760 So, yeah, I think it's, you know, it's it's such a big 280 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,040 thing. And I don't think we noticed, 281 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,320 you know, we talked about this briefly when we were chatting 282 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,840 the other day. And then, you know, coming from 283 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,040 such a small indie developer based in Scotland, you know, to 284 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,600 what it is now. It's, it's this beer moth that 285 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,040 just takes over the industry and takes over, like you said, 286 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,720 mainstream media. And when it, when some news 287 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,200 about it leaks, like when the trailer dropped or when the, you 288 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,000 know, the, the release date moves, it's, it's insane. 289 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,080 It's like it's a, you know, a Star Wars movie or a you know, 290 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,160 it's, it's, it's just crazy. I wonder what it must be like to 291 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,000 be a developer or in the company where everything you're doing is 292 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,560 under scrutiny like this, Because as I said on the gaming 293 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:11,440 press, absolutely I expected it. I just didn't expect it on the 294 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,520 BBC and other BBC. Guardian it was it was all over 295 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,920 the place. I mean, it's and, and that, you 296 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,920 know, you're right, scrutiny I think is the right word. 297 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,160 There was, you know, I think, I think there was a lot of 298 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,760 perspective and views certainly over the last year or so on the 299 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,600 behaviours of the studios. And then I remember it must have 300 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,040 been couple of months ago now when they said that they would 301 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,800 ask all employees to return to the office five days a week 302 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,560 again, you know, and that became a thing. 303 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,360 And then they started looking into the practices of, you know, 304 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:41,880 crunch and things like that in the office. 305 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,240 But then they, you know, they publicly release some of their 306 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,640 employee benefits to kind of go, no, no, no, don't worry, it's 307 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,680 okay. You know, they get double time 308 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,280 off for any time they've worked over. 309 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,040 There aren't any, you know, have to work overtime policies and 310 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,840 things like this, which is really weird move for a game 311 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,440 developer, right? I mean, most of them. 312 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,360 I mean, if you're Ubisoft, you just sit there and deny 313 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:01,760 everything. That's what I mean. 314 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:06,120 You know, it's really weird for for them to have to justify what 315 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,400 they do and how they approach it. 316 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,040 But you know, I love it. And the other thing I did read I 317 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,760 think was they're talking about it potentially being the 1st 318 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,760 $100 video game. That nicely links to the next 319 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,760 story, but the the one thing I'll say before move on is so 320 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,560 yeah, if it does come out next year, it'll have been 13 years 321 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,440 before or between that and GTA5. So you know last week where we 322 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:34,880 were talking about the cookie cut releases and FIFA 23242513 323 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,080 years between SQL. It's mad, right? 324 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,440 I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's it's a long time, but then, 325 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:47,800 you know, GTA Online is still one of, if not the biggest 326 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,480 online game only it's huge, you know, and you'll regularly see 327 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,360 GTA5 pop up across, you know, PlayStation Plus across. 328 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,400 But Game Pass, I think is back on Game Pass now, you know, So 329 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,000 you know, you'll regularly see it keep cycling round. 330 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,840 And it's got this, this cultural hook that people just kind of 331 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,200 are obsessed with. The story didn't click too much 332 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,400 for me, to be fair. I mean, I, I enjoyed what I 333 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,000 enjoyed, but I think there's, I, I obviously maybe I'm not his 334 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,560 target audience, but I, I don't know. 335 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,800 But I, I just, it didn't click so much for me. 336 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,280 But then you read such a furor around it and you're kind of 337 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,000 like, oh, maybe I should be, maybe I should be getting into 338 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,000 it. And so you do. 339 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,480 Yeah, I I'll buy the next one. I'll play it. 340 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:29,920 I'll see. You know I will. 341 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,120 I'll have a go at it. Of course I will. 342 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,840 Absolutely. I love the games and and yeah, 343 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,640 we'll be, we'll be doing an episode the night of release, I 344 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,960 think. Let's do this do live stream. 345 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,640 Well, there you go. There you go, There you go. 346 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,000 Right. So we're going to move on 347 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,040 quickly to the next story. And I said about the price. 348 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,720 So this was the other story that kind of caused ruffles was 349 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,760 Microsoft basically saying that Xbox are right raising their 350 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,040 prices around the world. So just to to highlight it. 351 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:05,200 So in Europe the Xbox Series X will go up by 20 lbs or $50.00. 352 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:14,440 So up to 499 lbs to 5 and €599. The Series S will cost 299 which 353 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:19,040 is an increase of £50 which I I didn't realise it was that low 354 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,760 to be honest. In the US the Xbox Series X will 355 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:30,360 cost 500 and 9999 which is up $100 and the Series S will go up 356 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:35,800 to 300 and 7999 which is $80.00. So they're then talking about 357 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,280 the price of games being $80. Now this is what it says, it 358 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,520 says on this article, UK and I'm, I'm quoting Eurogamer here 359 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,240 at the moment. UK price TBA. 360 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,720 I've seen it say sort of 6070 lbs, which is currently what 361 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,840 they are here, you know, and you, I was going to say you've 362 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:55,320 been around long enough like me as well that it's usually we get 363 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,920 a one to one ratio, don't we? So when people say, oh, $80.00 364 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:03,400 will only be 60 lbs or 65, no 88 lbs, it'll be 80 lbs because we 365 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,720 often get the 1:00 to 1. So what's your view? 366 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,960 Because I know Sony have done a couple of prices in, in the 367 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,160 past, price rises and Microsoft have held back. 368 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,840 But yeah, this has caused a bit of a an uproar on social media 369 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,120 for a day. Yeah, I think, you know, and 370 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,800 let's put it in a bit of perspective, right? 371 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,440 I mean, I think in the US this puts it on almost a level 372 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,240 playing for cost for cost with the kind of the PS5 Pro, right, 373 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,800 which is generationally, right. It's only a .5 bump, but it's 374 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,760 still an exceptional machine. That's that's you know, now more 375 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,480 powerful. So if we're talking to power to 376 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,800 power thing it, it feels a bit weird that you're kind of going 377 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:46,000 now pay $600.00 for a four be generous 4 year old machine. 378 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,200 And I'm kind of like, look, it's, it's good. 379 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,920 But what's the console cycle now? 380 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,160 6-7 years maybe. So you're into the, the, the 381 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,440 kind of third trimester now of, of it's life to go and kind of 382 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,920 bump it up and look, there'll be lots of stuff in the press and 383 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,120 you know, look, it's tariffs, it's this, it's that it, but is 384 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:07,920 it, you know, I mean, our relationship with where 385 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,360 manufacturing's taking place, these things hasn't particularly 386 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:11,760 soured. I get kind of get the US 387 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,920 argument. So it's, it feels like a very 388 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,600 odd move, but it feels like, and this is my perspective, no one 389 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,080 else's. It feels very much like Nintendo 390 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,560 have just given everyone permission to go a bit nuts on 391 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:23,840 pricing. Right. 392 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:26,320 With the switch to that, that's that's what it feels like. 393 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,760 It's like, well, the switch to is going to be crazy money for 394 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,000 for what it is right, an underpowered, you know, handheld 395 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,400 machine, Lovely, beautiful. Got it on pre-order, said that. 396 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,160 So I'm not, I'm not knocking it and it does what it does very 397 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,760 well, but it's not comparative and it's an awful lot of money. 398 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,320 Again, still cheaper than a Series XI, get it. 399 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,840 But then the Elite controller or the the Elite Switch controller 400 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,520 also retailing at, you know, $100 or whatever it is, it's all 401 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:57,520 gone a little bit crazy. And I think the timing couldn't 402 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,320 have been better for them with the whole, you know, policies 403 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,080 and tariffs and things kind of going well. 404 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,520 I've got an excuse to do it now. What we're not seeing is what 405 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,040 are their margins because that's the interesting thing, right? 406 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,640 Look, I don't think Microsoft got much to lose though in 407 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,000 Furness because their sales are historically very good console 408 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,440 wise anyway. And like we've spoken about 409 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,160 before, their markets, they're moving to a more around, you 410 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,440 know, Game Pass and kind of what that looks like. 411 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,400 So it'll be interesting to see how it plays out. 412 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,680 I think what what I think the impact for me is what that means 413 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:30,560 for the next generation and potentially what that's going to 414 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,800 hit us with. Yeah, that's a really good point 415 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,800 because you know, the rumours are that they're already talking 416 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,080 like the next two years we might see the next generation. 417 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,920 And yeah, you're right, putting up the price of a 4-5 year old 418 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,240 console feels a bit weird when you've got the next generation. 419 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,040 So is it just to make the price rise to that next generation 420 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,120 seem more reasonable, the price bump now? 421 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:57,440 Or is it to make the handheld that potentially could come out 422 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,360 seem more reasonable? Maybe. 423 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,040 Because because that's the thing, right? 424 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,760 I mean, there's a lot of talk and a lot of rumour and 425 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,680 conjecture around, you know, is there a handheld in works? 426 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,640 We've seen some of this stuff with the collaboration with Asus 427 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,960 potentially happening. So are they actually positioning 428 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,400 themselves to go, well, don't worry about spending, you know, 429 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,120 £600 on a, or £500 on a, you know, Series X when you can get 430 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:22,600 a handheld for 450. You know, it's I, I do wonder if 431 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,360 there's a little bit of game. Look, these companies aren't 432 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:26,480 stupid, right? They've made megabucks in terms 433 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,640 of what they do. And Xbox marketing particularly 434 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,200 becomes things like Game Pass is phenomenal. 435 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,080 So, you know, and PlayStation are very good at selling the 436 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,400 hardware and it's a great kit, you know, so there's that. 437 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,680 They've kind of got this balance between the two of them. 438 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,080 So yeah, it'll be, it'll be very interesting to see how this 439 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,480 story plays out. I think over certainly as we 440 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,440 move into holiday season. So throughout kind of October, 441 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,440 November, December, particularly with the absence of something 442 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,160 like GTA6 to boost the market, because that's what everyone's 443 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,480 waiting on, right? They, there were two big things 444 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:52,960 this year that everyone was waiting for. 445 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,720 It was the, it was the switch to from a hardware perspective and 446 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,840 it was GTA6, right? So industry wise, one of those 447 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,200 things has come along and kind of gone, yeah, we're launching, 448 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,440 but we're quite expensive and the other one's gone now. 449 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,920 I'm waiting. So I, I think it's going to be 450 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,720 interesting, you know, back into the year. 451 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,840 Well, could I throw something else at you as well, which is 452 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,120 my, what's the word? The pessimistic bit in my mind? 453 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:16,680 Well, not pessimistic. It's probably the wrong word. 454 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,440 But I love, I love balance down. I love your pessimism. 455 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,160 You'd be glass half empty. Not pessimistic, people want to 456 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,200 say conspiratorial but so they're saying it's the first 457 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,160 party games that going up to $80.00. 458 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,080 Now we know first party games from Microsoft are now appearing 459 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,000 on PlayStation and we know for. Today, right, Gears of War 460 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,840 Remastered just announced about a couple of hours ago, yeah. 461 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,400 That felt weird seeing an advert for Gears of War and it said 462 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,960 PlayStation 5. Yeah, very strange. 463 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:47,280 I guess what I'm saying though is the price rise is mainly 464 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,480 going to affect the other platforms, right? 465 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,520 Because these games are going to be day one Game pass, right? 466 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,680 So if one was being a little bit digging into it, are we seeing 467 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,480 the effect of that to fund Game Pass and the funding of these 468 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,000 games? Yeah, the other, the other 469 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,440 platforms, I guess is what I'm saying. 470 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,560 The other like PlayStation owners funding that. 471 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,360 Yeah, I, I, but look, potentially, I think that's 472 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:10,720 pessimistic. I think it's probably more 473 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,360 realistic, I think, you know, but what, what's Sony's 474 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,560 answered? Because we know that they very 475 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,160 rarely do day one releases in PS plus, right? 476 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,880 So are they then stuck between a rock and a hard place to go? 477 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,280 Well, if I'm, if they're at $80.00 or they're at, you know, 478 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,840 standard, do I move to $80.00 knowing that I can't compete 479 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,200 with day one release or do I then go and move to day one 480 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,840 release? I mean, who wouldn't want to see 481 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,080 ghosts of Yottay or whatever, you know, day one. 482 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,560 I mean, that would be my dream of dream because then I'm not, 483 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,440 you know, my, my £15 a month or whatever is really well spent. 484 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,600 So, yeah, I mean, I, I think it's realistic to assume that 485 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:45,920 maybe there's a little bit of that there. 486 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,640 And with the link to GTA, because as you said, you know, 487 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,560 the rumours persist that it is going to be the first 100 LB 488 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,880 game, not even dollar I think the same £100 game I think. 489 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,840 Yeah, yeah. What it's like for like, right? 490 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,680 Sorry. It's like for like, I mean, you 491 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,080 say for $100 in the US, it's going to be 100 LB here because 492 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,520 people can't do maths. And yeah, yeah. 493 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:12,560 And you know, I'm saying here at the moment that I tend not to 494 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,880 buy games full price like when they come out because for me, 495 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,800 not £5560 just feels a bit too much. 496 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,040 So I tend to wait and wait a little bit. 497 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,200 You might, you might have to wait six months depending on the 498 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,560 game, but I will then get them when they're reduced. 499 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,720 The more they go up, it's either going to take longer to come 500 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,000 down or they're going to take a bigger hit. 501 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,080 Or are they putting these bigger prices on to say right, well, 502 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,520 after a month we'll, we'll reduce it or after a few months 503 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,440 we'll reduce it and, and get more interest. 504 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,000 I don't know. But bottom line is £100 for a 505 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,800 game is a lot. It's it's a lot. 506 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,360 It is, it is a huge amount. And you know, I think, you know, 507 00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:53,560 this is a, the video game economy was, was barely 508 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,800 recovering from kind of COVID and you know, everything that 509 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,400 happened then, you know, so, you know, I think there was a 4% 510 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,640 decline year on year in 23. So we the numbers at the end of 511 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,880 last year, which I think the industry was about 164 billion, 512 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,360 which was about a 4% decline on the previous year. 513 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,800 So you know, as an industry, they are very much kind of 514 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,400 struggling at the moment. I think maybe there's a bit of, 515 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,840 you know, people a bit of apathy from maybe the younger 516 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,320 generations around video games and playing and things like 517 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,240 that. Like, you know, and it's we said 518 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,200 before, it's generally people with disposable income like you 519 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,680 and me who who get them and ironically don't have time to 520 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,840 play them. So yeah, I mean, you know, you 521 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,720 and I, I think this is where the beauty of this can pays off, 522 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,600 right? Because you you are a happy to 523 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,000 sit and wait and kind of do something, whereas I'm a day one 524 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,760 purchase, you know, must have, you know, and I always have been 525 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,080 a with any bit of tech, you know, I've got to get the first 526 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,200 phone, I've got to get the first diss. 527 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,520 I've got, you know, so, so I think that, you know, it plays 528 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,800 in our favour because obviously you can talk about the the 529 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,640 oldest stuff that you've only just opened your eyes to. 530 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,120 And I can I can say that that the newer stuff set, you know, 531 00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:02,000 but yeah, I mean, look, I just hope that whatever happens, the 532 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,000 industry continues. And I think one of the beauties 533 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,560 of, of gaming and one of the reasons we love it so much is 534 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,720 that, you know, those things are around forever, right? 535 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,560 They're not going anywhere. They'll just, they'll just take 536 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,480 on a different form. It won't be an $80.00 game in a 537 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,560 year's time or even even six months time. 538 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,800 It'll be on Game Pass or it'll be on, you know, PS Plus at some 539 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,080 point. I mean, I can't remember the 540 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,760 number of games I've kind of gone. 541 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,560 Why did I buy that? Because it's, you know, eight 542 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,520 months later and it's on bloody Games Pass, you know, Game Pass 543 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,320 and, you know, and the number of times I've kicked myself and 544 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,360 wished I was a bit more like you because it's just sitting here 545 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,080 gathering. I've got a stack of games next 546 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,080 to me right now. You know, literally one of them 547 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,760 is still on the cellophone. But but I haven't, you know, 548 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,840 picked up and played because they ended up appearing on Game 549 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,160 Pass or I played them and they're now on Game Pass or or 550 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,080 PS Plus. So. 551 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,560 Well, yeah, The thing is, look, the new Mass Effect comes out 552 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,320 tomorrow. I'm buying it tomorrow, right. 553 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,960 But I guess what I'm saying, though, is the price ceiling of 554 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,760 these, that it's never going to come down. 555 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:03,680 So we're getting to a point where, yeah, where, you know, 556 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,960 for years we've just still seen this as a it's a hobby for us 557 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:08,920 gamers. It's hobby. 558 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,880 But we, we, we kind of have forgotten that there's that 559 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,920 whole industry behind it. And they're now seeing that this 560 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,080 is probably the biggest industry, you know, and in terms 561 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,920 of entertainment, you know, that they can now start, yeah, 562 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,800 pushing that boundary. So it's going to be interesting. 563 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,760 I think the next 18 months will be be quite fascinating, 564 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,240 especially when the new new hardware comes out I think. 565 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,600 Yeah, yeah. I think it's, it's all to play 566 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,280 for, for these guys. So, you know, and, and there 567 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,760 isn't anyone in, in competition. They're they're pretty much a 568 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,840 monopoly between, you know, Nintendo, Sony and, and 569 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,800 Microsoft. I mean, who else is there, you 570 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,000 know, playing in that paddling pool? 571 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,400 And there's not not many people, right. 572 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,560 PC gaming's come the next closest thing and some would 573 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,800 argue infinitely better, but it doesn't have the mass appeal 574 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,480 that that these things have. Yeah, but yeah, 8 lbs a game. 575 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,520 See, watch his space, watch his space. 576 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,160 And there's one other thing I'm going to throw and I'm just 577 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,080 going to I'm not, I'm probably not even going to let you 578 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,400 comment on it. I saw a tweet, you know, not 579 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,240 from, I don't think anything official, but said that Half 580 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,680 Life 3. Is in that I'm not is. 581 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,760 In a playable state? No, It's not only in 582 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,640 development, but it's in a playable state. 583 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,760 I knew I knew you were going to come in with something sideways. 584 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,960 I'm not going to comment. We'll we'll say that for another 585 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,120 one. I have read yes, I went down a 586 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:24,960 rabbit hole. Let's put. 587 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,480 It that Dan's Half Life 3 confirmed that is that means no, 588 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,640 Yeah, Watch his face. Watch his face on that. 589 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,720 We'll, we'll, we'll talk about it at some point, right. 590 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,440 So the people have spoken the topic this week, the main topic 591 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,120 is going to be arcades. Now, I guess the first question 592 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,280 for you, Dan, is if I say arcades to you, what? 593 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,000 What does that bring back for you? 594 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,240 Two things I think summer holidays at the seaside. 595 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,440 I spent an awful lot of time on the South Coast with but my dad 596 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,000 and my mum in seaside resorts. I guess it was kind of the go to 597 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,640 holiday. I didn't spend an awful lot of 598 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,760 time abroad when I was a kid. And so from a nostalgic trip, it 599 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,520 was always, you know, going there and the first question 600 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,760 would be, is there an arcade? You know, and you couldn't jump 601 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,160 on Google Maps and find out, right you. 602 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,680 Have to go hunting for. These things, right? 603 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,000 So you, you have to find if there was one there. 604 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,520 And so there was that. There's that whole rush of 605 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,800 excitement knowing that you're going to get an opportunity to 606 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,120 play something that wasn't, you know, on an Atari or on AZX 607 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,440 Spectrum. That was, you know, essentially 608 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,200 the next generation of video games. 609 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,320 That's kind of what it was like, you know, as long as it wasn't a 610 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,400 kind of ratty old one that had a couple of broken Pac-Man 611 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,400 machines. And and the second was I was 612 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,800 lucky from not the word I I was in in my hometown. 613 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,440 There was a video game shop which was quite unique I think 614 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,880 for when I think about it now, you know, at that time that kind 615 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,560 of exclusively sold, I guess it was kind of PC games and 616 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,240 occasionally had the old Nez and Snaz games in it. 617 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,280 But they had a cabinet in there and it was the go to place after 618 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,800 school. You'd take a, you know, a mile 619 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:09,120 and a half walk into town just to play Type R and see you can 620 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,320 get the highest score. They're the two things. 621 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,720 It's kind of a nostalgic hit I think, you know, arcades now. 622 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,840 It strikes terror into me because my kids don't go in to 623 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,320 play them. They're going to play Penny 624 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,040 Falls. So, you know, time has been 625 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,200 reversed and they go in to drop 2 PS on mass into a machine to 626 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,840 win a plastic toy or a penny suite. 627 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,400 So they probably spent about £15 getting one of those two things, 628 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,600 if they're lucky, all the dreaded claw machines. 629 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,440 But that it's that all the, all the, all the flipping tokens 630 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,280 that drive me insane. Right where you, I've won 1200 631 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,120 tokens and they're saying great, what can I get? 632 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,200 It's a sherbet, Dib dab. Do you know what I mean? 633 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,520 In exchange? So you know, it wasn't, it's not 634 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,160 what I experienced. Although weirdly, when we first 635 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,840 went, we were back in Hunstanton and the girls hadn't yet 636 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,040 experienced an arcade. And we had the dog with us. 637 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,280 There was this whole thing around, you know, could we even 638 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,760 take the dog in? And I always said, tomorrow if 639 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,760 we look, here's some money, you, you take him in. 640 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,120 And I was kind of like, I'm not, well, I'm not getting to go in 641 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,440 there. And then the guy at the door was 642 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,600 like, no, no, no, bring the dog in. 643 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,920 I was like, Oh my God, I can go in an arcade. 644 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,120 I can legitimately go in an arcade and feel. 645 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,240 And I was a little bit excited, you know, I have to be honest. 646 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,280 He's not like a little bit we come out, but I was excited, you 647 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,320 know, I can go into an arcade. So, yeah. 648 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,800 And just wandering around. But it's quite depressing these 649 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,600 days because you, you know, in those, like I said, 650 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,400 comparatively, you were kind of going from what was essentially 651 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:40,240 a calculator at home to, you know, an IMAX in the arcade. 652 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,440 You know, that was the, you know, the difference between the 653 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,520 two things. And now it's I can do all this 654 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,480 at home on my sofa. Well, this is the main point I 655 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,240 had. Is your spot on? 656 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,560 When we were kids, the arcade felt like the future. 657 00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,080 This was the upgrade. Now arcades here are more geared 658 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,480 to the past. The arcades we've really kind of 659 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,040 got a retro, right? You know, the main, the seaside 660 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,720 ones know they're just old, right? 661 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,080 But the arcades, the main arcades we've got set up are 662 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,000 focusing on, and don't get me started on retro. 663 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,880 When you go in and there's like an Xbox 360 or an Xbox One. 664 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,280 But it's funny how it's flipped. And I guess that's because, as 665 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,080 you said, you know, at home we've got the most powerful 666 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,120 things already, whereas before we had the Commodore 64. 667 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,560 But I was then going to the arcade and seeing these shiny 668 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,680 graphics. And how depressing was it when 669 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,520 you played a game at the arcade and then it released on the 670 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,840 Commodore 64 and it was nothing like it. 671 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,520 It was, you know that I tell you what it was like, you know, 672 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,560 those straight to video, like, you know, it's not Star Wars, 673 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,640 it's it's Star Blazers or something. 674 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,120 Do you know what I mean? It's it's almost a complete RIP 675 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,520 off of exactly the same. That's what that was like back 676 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,000 then. They were appalling. 677 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,000 I ask all listeners now try look online like when Street Fight 2, 678 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,440 which is a game I'll talk about when that got released on the 679 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,320 home markets. Just look at the different 680 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,160 between the home versions. And we've got to remember now 681 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,240 when a game gets released. Now it's Xbox, Switch, 682 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,960 PlayStation. Then it was Amiga, Atari St. 683 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,240 Mega, Dr. Nez, Amstrad, Commodore 64. 684 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,440 They were developing it quick for all sorts, right? 685 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,600 And some that had, like said, less memory. 686 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:25,520 Yeah. Different. 687 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,120 Yeah, complete. So it wasn't even no 688 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,520 consistency, often in only 8 colours you know it was. 689 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,840 So I just think it's, it's really funny the way or what we 690 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,960 use arcades for now. But yeah, my, my memories in my 691 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,080 head growing up, I always imagined arcade. 692 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,200 So you see it on American TV, you know, all the programmes we 693 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,680 had at the time, it felt like there was an arcade on every 694 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,600 street corner in America. And, you know, they were full of 695 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,680 these latest machines. Whereas here the only experience 696 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,440 I had was as and when we went to say, a seaside resort or the 697 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,720 fair that would come to town twice a year. 698 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,440 Fairground. Yeah, yeah, we. 699 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,680 Always had one or two bespoke areas, what often with the 700 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,000 punching bag outside. Yes, the punishing bag. 701 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:13,320 Yeah, and yeah, you'd go in and I was just mesmerised by the 702 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,360 noises you'd see that the flashing colours, the attract 703 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,480 screens on the games, you know, because they really did had to 704 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,159 work to lure you in, didn't they? 705 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,239 It was it was catnip for gamers. I mean, it's essentially what it 706 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,360 was the the lights and the, you know, it was it was just all 707 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,600 going off and the I can hear it in my head now. 708 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,320 I can hear that noise and you're like, I'm just going to pop in 709 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:36,719 here. And the number of times I did 710 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:37,920 that when I was younger, just go. 711 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,760 I'm just going to. I won't be a minute, and 712 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,600 sometimes with no money just to see what I'll be fair, often 713 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,040 hunting very specifically for the Star Wars vector graphics 714 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,880 cabinet that was. That never understood what the 715 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,320 hell was going on with that game, but I used to want to play 716 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,040 it. But but you know, the, the, the 717 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,080 thing about the fairground was there would be a guy, the worker 718 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,600 sitting in like a glass booth because you would go give him 719 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,720 your £10 note to change him to change. 720 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,720 Now I can't remember, but I've got the recollection of the 721 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:12,240 games being anywhere between like 20 to 50 P ago. 722 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,000 Yeah, I I think that's fair. Some of the old ones, maybe even 723 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,600 10. But yeah, you'd go, you'd give 724 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,760 him your money and he'd give you the change and then you just 725 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,720 pumping those coins into it. But so that was it. 726 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,920 And the the only other times, like I said, was a couple of 727 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,080 times because most of my family holidays when I was young was 728 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,680 going to see family in Italy. So although there was, there was 729 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,080 a where my aunt lived down the street, my cousin used to take 730 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,520 me, there was like a little cafe and then you'd go downstairs and 731 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,920 there'd be a table where men would be playing cards and they 732 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,240 had like 2 arcade machines. And I think 1 was like a video 733 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:47,680 poker and the other, and this really, and it always stays in 734 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,400 my mind was Pang. Do you remember the game Pang 735 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,920 with the bubbles? And you've got to shoot the 736 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,320 bubble and it splits into two. Then you shoot the bubble again, 737 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,240 kind of like asteroids. And I play that and the only 738 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,760 other one, and I think I said to you on our walk yesterday, the 739 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,680 one that really strikes in my mind was once when we went to 740 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,400 Spain, the hotel in the basement had again like a pool table and 741 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,000 a couple of machines. And one of them was Street 742 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,040 Fighter two, which I'd never seen before. 743 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,400 And my God, the amount of time, the amount of time the money I'd 744 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,840 spent, I'd, I'd be going down in that basement, then going up 745 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,720 finding my dad. Dad can have more money going 746 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,600 back in the lift, going down in the money and. 747 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,760 That, that finding of a random machine where you were on 748 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,600 holiday, you know, and it just, and it would be just one thing 749 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,880 in a corner and there might be some other kids at the hotel and 750 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,000 you'd be, you know, queuing up for turns on the thing. 751 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,800 Putting your money. Do you remember putting your 752 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,200 money on the screen? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 753 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,000 Waiting to line up a bit like you do with a pool table. 754 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,880 Right. But it didn't matter how crap 755 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,240 that game was. It didn't matter. 756 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:54,760 It could have been the worst I could, but it was an arcade 757 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,680 game. And you were like, I don't care. 758 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,240 I'm going to do it. Not even to master it, not even 759 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:00,840 to be the best in the world at it. 760 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,800 Just because I wasn't having to sit by a swimming pool. 761 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,880 I was able to go and play on a video game. 762 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,440 It was, you know, yeah, absolute pure joy and. 763 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,200 It's really interesting what you said about, yeah, people lining 764 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,520 up to play it because you know, the sometimes the pressure you'd 765 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,840 have knowing that there's a queue of people behind you 766 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,960 watching you play that game. It's like, you know, at home 767 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,640 nobody can see how bad I am at FIFA, Well, except everyone I'm 768 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,120 playing online with, but nobody's watching me 769 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,600 specifically. But people watching. 770 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,400 And you would sometimes if you caught a glimpse of someone 771 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,800 playing a game really well, they would have a crowd round them. 772 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,320 Sometimes you would see that. And it's just such an odd 773 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,560 scenario now, isn't it, that that social aspect? 774 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,240 I think I think people watch a lot of American movies or TV 775 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:50,520 shows set in a certain period, whether it's the kind of 80s, 776 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,720 late 70s and they kind of see that and they assume that, oh, 777 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,000 it's just done for film or it's done for, you know, effect. 778 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,720 But that that was genuinely what it was like, you know, here. 779 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,400 And I think the only reason, you know, you talked about, you 780 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,240 know, the US and kind of thinking, oh, there must have 781 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:08,520 been one on every corner there must have been is because we 782 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,720 really didn't have any perspective on Japan and what 783 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,640 was happening there, because that would have been the hub, 784 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,400 right? But as kids, the closest 785 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,880 comparative you had was the US. It was like, well, it's America, 786 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:22,480 right? It's not. 787 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,240 But actually it was probably Japan was much further. 788 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,080 I mean, we talked about before, you know, the Neo Geos and 789 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,920 things like that, which essentially, you know, arcade 790 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,440 boards in a home console. But that's where they were born 791 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,400 and bred. So those are the days you get a 792 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,080 meal misty eyed. Yeah, look at that. 793 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,200 This is the thing, you go down that rabbit hole. 794 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,120 And again, I just found the arcades we had, or maybe round 795 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,520 here, they weren't really arcades like you said. 796 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,760 It was that family thing of yeah, you'd have the claw 797 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,520 machines and then you'd have those 2P coin machines and you'd 798 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,360 get maybe the odd game. Oh of of course, the fruit 799 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,960 machines as well. And for me, it was when that 800 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,960 fare came round that was the only reason I was excited. 801 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,880 I didn't care about the rides, bumper cars, Dodge rooms, 802 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,080 whatever they were called. Straight for the arcades. 803 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,240 Straight for the arcades, yeah. And that was it. 804 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,400 So I was going to ask you, what were the games for you before we 805 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,480 go into that? Because the other thing we 806 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,720 shouldn't, and it might sound funny to people now, is, you 807 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,560 know, you'd go in and you'd have your your cabinets, right. 808 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,280 But over time it evolved. Like, do you remember? 809 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,160 What was it? Harrier Now, what was that? 810 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,520 What was that space Harrier. Yeah. 811 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,760 Yeah. At one point it had a. 812 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,960 Problem it's on my list. I have a list I. 813 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,200 Had you had a hydraulic cabinet that you sat in and the whole 814 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,840 thing flung you around and, and that was the thing like. 815 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,640 They were all based on the outrun, you know, it was that 816 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,040 same, the same cabinet, just remasked as something 817 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,440 differently. But they were they were all 818 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,880 after Burner was another one had the same thing. 819 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,160 But there was a motorbike game Super hang on which one of them? 820 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,200 I remember falling off it because I was a bit young at the 821 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,480 time it. Was a lean it. 822 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,680 Was a motorbike you sat on and you had to lean to the left and 823 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,960 right and there's no reason I wasn't interested in motorbikes, 824 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,120 but I had to use it because you got to sit on a motorbike. 825 00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:08,640 Yeah, where else are you going to do that, right? 826 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:09,600 Where else are you going to race? 827 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,840 And you know, looking back at it now, the the graphics, 828 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,200 everything was just appalling. But at the time, they were. 829 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,960 Yeah, that was a hoot. So what? 830 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,840 What? What were your stand out 831 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,840 memories and games? So, so look what I think we're 832 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,080 all agreed, you know, and, and, and our listeners will probably 833 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,040 know by now I'm old. OK, so, so you know, I, I go 834 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,480 back and I think, no, I know some of the earliest memories 835 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,280 and you sent me a bit of a challenge on this stuff because 836 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,800 like I said, my memory is not fantastic and I tend to lock 837 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,760 things away and not kind of open the door at them. 838 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,280 And actually when I then started thinking about arcade games and 839 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,320 you know, what I used to play and how how I kind of got into 840 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,720 them as as they evolved, it all started I think for me with 841 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:58,520 things like Paper Boy. So was. 842 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,000 Right, So, so paper boy. Spy Hunter. 843 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,800 Yeah. Do you remember Spy Hunter? 844 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,240 The car to a boat, The I. Remember it on the Commodore 64, 845 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,600 but I don't remember playing it in the arcade. 846 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,880 Yeah. Yeah, and another one, another 847 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,200 one that really came back to me and I and I remembered it, but I 848 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,520 remembered it very specifically because I was a little while 849 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,680 ago, I was reading Ready Player 1 and it was the game Joust, 850 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:25,440 which I fell in love with. Yeah. 851 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,960 But it was one of the very first two player Co-op games, right? 852 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,240 So so you know, and and then then then that was it. 853 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,920 That opened the floodgates. So then it was like, Oh yeah, 854 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,160 but but what about ya Kung Fu? And what about Kung Fu master? 855 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,760 You know, and what about? And then it was the Star Wars 856 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,240 cabinet. And then one of the things that 857 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,160 I remember spending an inordinate amount of money on 858 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,560 when I was a holiday once was Rolling Thunder. 859 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,440 And it was. Just. 860 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,200 Right, Secret agent. No, it's your secret agent and 861 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,680 you're basically in an underground base and you very 862 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,560 limited ammo and you went indoors to get more ammo and and 863 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,520 there was a trick you could do where you could keep going back 864 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,240 to the machine gun one to go for, but it was really hard. 865 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,880 And then I always spoke about Tide Park. 866 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,440 Gauntlet was another favorite, especially we had friends with 867 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,320 you. Gauntlet that was a massive 868 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,080 machine as well wasn't it? Was 4 plan. 869 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,680 Health needs more health. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right. 870 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,600 Rampage. Do you remember Rampage the 871 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,240 Monsters? And yeah, I mean, they made a, 872 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,240 they made a movie out of that. With the rock for God's sake, 873 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:22,280 right? Like. 874 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,800 Space Harrier was on my list as well. 875 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,160 I think it's I can't remember. It's called ghosts and goblins 876 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,280 over here. Or Ghosts and Ghouls when it 877 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,520 launched. Ghouls and ghosts. 878 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:32,640 Ghouls and ghouls and whatever it was. 879 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,640 One of those it's those words. Somebody picked the right 880 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,360 combination. With them there's a combination 881 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,680 of words. Work it out for yourself. 882 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,560 Splatterhouse Oh yeah 7:20 the skateboarding one the. 883 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,080 Skateboard one. Yeah, yeah. 884 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,640 Battle zone, Battle zone, Vectographic tank thing. 885 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,160 You had the visor, right? So all of these things started 886 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,520 bubbling up. NARC. 887 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,040 So NARC was kind of a around about the same time as I'm going 888 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,200 to mention it, because if we go a podcast without mentioning it, 889 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,760 I'm going to quit about the same time as RoboCop. 890 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,320 I was got it. I was going to mention it. 891 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,440 Don't worry. Yeah. 892 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,240 RoboCop winners don't do drugs right, isn't that? 893 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:09,800 Winners don't do drugs. Exactly. 894 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:13,400 Yeah, Altered Beast. Do you remember? 895 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,520 Altered Beast and again, all of these games had had, I'm going 896 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,360 to call them remakes, downgrades on home consoles right where 897 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,960 they were just nowhere near as good as the other Golden Axe. 898 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,800 I've got that on my list, yeah. Exactly right that all of those 899 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,480 and double dragon and those sort of you. 900 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,280 Know what I would say about? Fighting games. 901 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,000 Sorry, what I was going to say about Golden Axe, the reason why 902 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,320 I was fascinated by that, obsessed with that one, was it 903 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,080 was just really big colourful graphics in that one, wasn't it? 904 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,640 It was very simple gameplay, but it was really bright, bold 905 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,560 colours. And yeah, I just, I got, yeah, I 906 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,040 got hooked on that. That was another one I spent a 907 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,280 lot of money on, yeah. Anyone that had character 908 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,360 selection, I think that for me was the hook back in the day, 909 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,360 you know, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, X-Men, X-Men versus 910 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,000 Avengers, you know, all of these things that kind of had a, you 911 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,840 know, a selection, not just a fighting game, but a side 912 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,680 scrolling through. I could, you know, choose to be 913 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,600 one of the the brothers in Double Dragon. 914 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,520 I could, you know, it was always that kind of that, that hook or 915 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,200 something that had a uniqueness to it where you, oh, I can pick 916 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,320 up a weapon, I can pick up a bottle to use it as a weapon. 917 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,240 Or I can? You know, those sort of things 918 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:26,160 really the the things that I really enjoyed, but that I think 919 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,480 that developed like Ron. I think originally it was just 920 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,240 the very, just the very idea of playing, you know, a game like 921 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,480 something as simple as paper. But I mean, come on, it's the 922 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,760 most boring job in the world. I did it for like 5 years as a 923 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,080 kid. Like it was a. 924 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,320 Frustratingly paper. But it was a frustrating, But 925 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,560 it's like a busman's holiday. It's like I I do that when I'm 926 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,960 12 years old to earn a bit of cash. 927 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,640 Yeah, I'm going down an arcade and playing the same thing do. 928 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,280 You know, The funny thing is, well, this is the second time we 929 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,160 mentioned paper boy. We mentioned it in the pilot 930 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,680 episode, the first episode. I want to say people, because 931 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,760 we've got to remember we are paper. 932 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,200 A paper boy was somebody that used to deliver papers, 933 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,120 newspapers, which was, which was physical news that you read the 934 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,640 day after it happened. Now called an influencer, but 935 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,680 yeah, essentially, yeah. The paper boy delivered your 936 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,120 news on in with the paper and and the game was you rode along 937 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,200 the street avoiding obstacles, throwing papers at people's 938 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,320 doors, which was an American, I can think not a British thing to 939 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,440 be fair. British we, we we put papers 940 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,160 through the doors regardless. You had to deliver it to the 941 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,560 subscribing houses. If you missed them they didn't 942 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,880 subscribe. And I think if you threw threw 943 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,280 it through the window of a non subscriber, I think it would get 944 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,120 added or one would get added somewhere. 945 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,600 Basically rewarding vandalism. Yeah. 946 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,120 Yeah, what? What other reasons to play it? 947 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,800 But yeah, I mean, you know, the list goes on and on and on. 948 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,040 But, you know, those are the kind of ones I had an obsession 949 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,920 for a long time with Kung Fu Master. 950 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,280 I don't know if you remember. It's the one where you just went 951 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,200 side to side quite quickly doing high kicks in people's faces. 952 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,440 And they're very specific noises. 953 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,360 They're essentially the noises now people use for any kind of 954 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,280 punch in a movie were the noises that cabinet would make. 955 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,440 And it was just, it was just AI don't know. 956 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,480 I just got obsessed with it, like hitting that button as much 957 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,600 as I could to kick people in the face and knock them off the 958 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,760 screen. Shinobi was another one. 959 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,080 Shinobi, yeah. But you know, The funny thing is 960 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,640 the majority of your games that you've mentioned, this is a good 961 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,920 thing. The ones that I replayed at home 962 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,040 and didn't play so much in the arcade. 963 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,320 So I've got a slightly different selection. 964 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,600 But going back to Paperboy, the one other thing than the random 965 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,760 assault course it had at the end or obstacle course, I mean, you, 966 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,480 you were you were doing, I didn't do. 967 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,760 Yeah. And then there would be like a 968 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,800 random obstacle course. But yeah, if what I did. 969 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,040 Was went back to the shop and got a Pepsi in Mars Bar. 970 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,840 I mean, that was, you know what I mean. 971 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,040 I didn't do an obstacle course at the end of my paper round. 972 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,800 Yeah. I mean, other than the ones that 973 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,400 if you've mentioned, some of the ones you've mentioned, one I 974 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,880 used to love doing, it was an older game, but it was called 975 00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,120 Super Sprint and it was like a top down racing game, very 976 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,600 basic. Round the thing and you went 977 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,160 round. But you had four steering 978 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:05,960 wheels. Yeah. 979 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,560 You had four steering wheels. And the reason I loved that was 980 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,400 because to turn around some of the corners, you could just spin 981 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,320 that steering wheel like crazy and you would do a really cool 982 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,160 spin. And you're like, yes, I'm. 983 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,000 I'm Nigel Mansell. You know, I'm. 984 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,960 I'm sure. Yeah, weirdly, there's a, 985 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:24,400 there's now an arcade game and I, I'm pretty sure it's on 986 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,240 console as well, but they made the arcade game, the Hot Wheels 987 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:32,840 game reminds me of a bigger, better Super Sprint. 988 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, You're right, Right. 989 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,880 But it's funny on my list, considering I was never. 990 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,400 I don't, not that I don't particularly like car games. 991 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,320 I've got quite a few car games. Another one was Chase HQ. 992 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,960 Yes, I remember Chase HQ. I love that again, the the first 993 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,200 moment I saw that. So yeah, where you'll, you've 994 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,520 got to catch a chase up to a criminal and then you've got to 995 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,760 run them off the road, haven't you? 996 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,480 You've. Got yeah basically ram them. 997 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,520 Yeah, the home port for that was very disappointing. 998 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,440 Again, look that up. I. 999 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,760 Think it's fair to say the home ports for all of these were very 1000 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,160 disappointing, Dan. There was no good home boards. 1001 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,160 One for you, RoboCop. I did like the RoboCop arcade 1002 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:13,880 game. Loved. 1003 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,840 RoboCop. You briefly mentioned it, Double 1004 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:16,960 Dragon. I loved that. 1005 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,760 So that was a Co-op fighting game. 1006 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,680 But again, I like that because it was just, it played so well, 1007 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,600 it controlled, it handled really well. 1008 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,640 Yeah, it was always a big in the arcades. 1009 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,920 It was you went in that that and Street Fighter Two were always, 1010 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,960 or Street Fighter actually were always monopolised by the bigger 1011 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,840 boys. Yeah, the next one was a random 1012 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,360 one, but I used to love playing it again just because it had a 1013 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,800 peripheral on it. But Operation Wolf, do you 1014 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,360 remember? Oh, it's on my list. 1015 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,760 It's on my list, Yes, sorry. It's like I've just got bingo. 1016 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,920 It's on my Operation Wolf time crisis. 1017 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,440 So I I didn't get down the shooter Ave. but it's it's 1018 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:56,600 there. Yeah, operation. 1019 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,440 Yeah, just it doesn't want to wander around with a newsy. 1020 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,400 You suppose if you haven't heard it, it was so it was an arcade 1021 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,760 game. You were facing it to the 1022 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,960 screen, it would go left to right and it was basically it 1023 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,360 was a shooter, It was a war game. 1024 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,080 But you had like a machine gun on the cabinet. 1025 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,920 Didn't you Like a plastic? Yeah, newsy. 1026 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,160 Yeah, newsy on, on the cabinet. Yeah, that's it. 1027 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,320 Sprayed and prayed. It was a light gun game, but you 1028 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,760 also had a button on it which would release a bomb, wouldn't 1029 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,240 it? Or a grenade or something. 1030 00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:22,240 It wasn't. It on the on the. 1031 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,520 Yeah, on the front of the gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1032 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,600 Little red button I remember. It Oh dear. 1033 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,360 But yeah, you you've mentioned like all the delight gun 1034 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,560 shooters, yeah, like time crisis, etcetera. 1035 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,720 The last few I've got for me that was standouts. 1036 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:38,960 So you kind of mentioned them. Was there was The Simpsons 1037 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,520 fighting game? Yes, it felt like a bit of a 1038 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,760 reskin of the Turtles game, which also felt like it was the 1039 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,760 same cabinet they used for Gauntlet because it was that 1040 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,360 same BIG4 player. And X-Men, and I mean, they're 1041 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,480 all very much of A and all, all Capcom, I think. 1042 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,920 But The Simpsons one again was just so bright, colourful. 1043 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,840 It looked like the cartoon to up to a kid anyway to me at the 1044 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,280 time. It was, yeah, exactly like it. 1045 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,520 I'm finishing with two more car games. 1046 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,000 One was the daddy of all racing games, Outrun. 1047 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:06,360 Outrun. Yeah. 1048 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,120 Just the music that's etched into my mind. 1049 00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:12,600 And being made into a movie. Is it? 1050 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,760 Recently announced yeah, my word, I'm going to have to look 1051 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,240 it up, but but quite I think it's quite a famous director and 1052 00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:21,120 actors attached to it as well. Crack on. 1053 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,840 I I will. I will do that thing that we 1054 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,640 don't do, which is Google it. It's Michael Bay. 1055 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,840 I think Michael Bay. Oh well, we know what Bay. 1056 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,720 Is going to do. Yeah, yeah, I, I and I genuinely 1057 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:33,280 thought it was on April Fools when I read it. 1058 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,760 For anyone watching it, there was no explosions, there were no 1059 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,560 machine guns in in outruns. So let's wait and see what 1060 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,680 happens there. The last one I was going to do a 1061 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,840 special mention is probably the more recent game. 1062 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,560 When I say recent was Daytona, the Daytona racing game. 1063 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,040 The only call out for that it was I mean it was a good game, 1064 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,000 but it was depending on the size of the arcade you went to. 1065 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,160 So here the local bowling alley had it. 1066 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,880 You had anywhere from I think 6 to 10 people could race at the 1067 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,560 same time. So it was sit down cars and 1068 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,160 yeah, you could have up to at least my place. 1069 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,800 It was 6 people which felt really cool at the time, you 1070 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,760 know, to have six of you sort of having a having a race around 1071 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,880 the track. Yeah, that one that they, the 1072 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,160 bowling alley you're talking about got it got replaced with 1073 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,400 one of the motorbike games like Super GP or one of those kind of 1074 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,320 type games with with the tilting bikes quite recently actually, 1075 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,600 and then got replaced with Mario Kart. 1076 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,840 So when we talked about, you know, arcades, yeah. 1077 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,840 So so Mario Kart did the reverse St. 1078 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,280 Mario Kart was a originally a Nintendo home console game and 1079 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,800 then expanded into the arcades. So it's, you know, it kind of, I 1080 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,920 guess in some respects it works both ways, right. 1081 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,240 But yeah, I just, I get depressed when I walk around 1082 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:49,040 that place because there's nothing you kind of excites you 1083 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,640 and goes, oh, I want to play that now. 1084 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,160 Yeah. And, and I know we're older, 1085 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,880 Dan, right? But it does feel like, oh, yeah, 1086 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:02,040 as a kid, I was screaming like, you know, my parents did, like I 1087 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,440 needed to go there. Now I'd be like, my phone plays 1088 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,440 better games than that. Yes. 1089 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,400 It does. Yes, it does. 1090 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,120 That's the depressing thing. Well, maybe it's a great thing. 1091 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,440 I don't. Know look, and, and like you 1092 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,560 said, look, we're, we're I, well, I'm probably the wrong 1093 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,120 audience. You've got kids and obviously 1094 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,440 you said they, they love it. I think now it's more of a a 1095 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,880 novelty than a you're kind of going there because totally 1096 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,720 you're mind blown. Yeah, I mean, my, my kids are 1097 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,120 kind of 11 and no, nearly 11 and 12. 1098 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,720 And I think the whole video, you know, they're they're because 1099 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,760 they've got me as dad, they're indoctrinated into the whole 1100 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,960 video game things, right. They're not operating unless 1101 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,120 they're faces in the screen. It's not healthy parenting. 1102 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,480 I don't advocate for it, by the way. 1103 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,960 I try and stop them from doing it. 1104 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,640 But therefore when they go to an arcade, it is a bit all I've 1105 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,040 seen it done it. I'll do that. 1106 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,080 I'm not bothered. So they are very much drawn to 1107 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,280 the more mechanical claw, you know, something that can win 1108 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,480 tickets invariably doesn't have a screen or, or the more 1109 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,600 physical games like, you know, the the basketball hoops and 1110 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:04,960 things like that or whack A mole. 1111 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,280 You know, you try and steer them and go, yeah, but there's a 1112 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,720 there's an old, you know, Street Fighter two Cam that over there. 1113 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:12,960 Do you want to give that? And they're just like, Nah, I 1114 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,120 think the only concession to make is kind of the the thing 1115 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,320 which I absolutely hate, but they've got their place is the 1116 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,320 dancing machines. I was going to mention those. 1117 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,720 Yeah, yeah. And their mum, being a dance 1118 00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:28,600 teacher then feels like she's won some private battle that was 1119 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,240 never unfolding by going, well, they're on a screen, but they're 1120 00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:33,000 dancing. And I'm sitting there going, 1121 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,160 yeah, but they're not killing each other in a video game. 1122 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,440 So I'm not happy. But, you know, yeah, that's. 1123 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,280 I think that's about the only concession they make in an 1124 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,080 arcade. I was going to say that is there 1125 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,360 two things ultimately that led to the demise and I've got a few 1126 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,720 points about arcades generally. Is it one that we were getting 1127 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:51,840 better systems at home? So naturally, you know, we 1128 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,800 weren't as impressed, but also the size of the machines like 1129 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,720 you, you mentioned it, those dancing machines, they're 1130 00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,760 massive, right? So if you've got one of those 1131 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,400 in, that's probably taking up the space of maybe two or three 1132 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,640 cabinets, so. Yeah, I, I, I'm not from a 1133 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,960 decline perspective, I'm not sure the scale of them was, was 1134 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,520 ever, you know, going to be the biggest problem. 1135 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,520 I think as a business model, it doesn't really work unless you 1136 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,080 have a significant volume of customers. 1137 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,680 So you can't really pivot and do anything else. 1138 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,520 When you look at the catering industry, you know, that was 1139 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,600 decimated during COVID, admittedly, but there were 1140 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,080 people who managed to survive because they were able to pivot 1141 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,880 and go, well, I'll do home delivery or I'll do you know, 1142 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,600 I'll do a cooking lesson. Whereas with an arcade, you're 1143 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,240 kind of stuck to one thing and that's getting as many people 1144 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,760 through the door to put as much money in a machine as possible. 1145 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,480 And when that goes into decline for whatever reason, I'm not 1146 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,280 blaming COVID because I think the heyday of, of arcades was 1147 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:55,040 very much late 80s, early 90s. I think post that it kind of the 1148 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,880 decline started, but I, I would very much say it has to do with 1149 00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,960 the rise of the popularity of home consoling. 1150 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,080 I mean, you know, it's too much of A coincidence to kind of go, 1151 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:09,640 you know, the golden age of those was late 90s up, you know, 1152 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,960 from up to now. And yet, you know, arcades 1153 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,480 generally started declining. You know, in terms of what we're 1154 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,680 talking about arcades, there's too much of A crossover. 1155 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,240 Does that make sense? Do you know what I mean? 1156 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,360 Yeah, and also, you know, sort of arcade games when you look at 1157 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,960 it as much as. And again, like I said, I 1158 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,560 wouldn't change the fun and experiences I had in them 1159 00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,200 playing those games, but they were made to take your money. 1160 00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,440 They were difficult. Sometimes you wouldn't get far 1161 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,480 in a game. You'd just be constantly put in 1162 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,160 the money. So you know now three lives, 1163 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,240 three lives the. Whole thing, right, that people 1164 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:47,480 don't realise that you play a game now at home on a console, 1165 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,560 you know infinite lives doesn't matter, right? 1166 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,840 Dark Souls is hard, but I can keep doing it, right? 1167 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,200 I can get, I can get, I can get good. 1168 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,560 I can dig. That didn't happen in our case. 1169 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,520 Yeah, yeah, 3 lives that's. All from the beginning and you 1170 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,600 start. And then yeah, be with it. 1171 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,160 It's just. And that's the thing. 1172 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,320 And it's a different experience because now at home you've got 1173 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,600 these proper worlds you're exploring, right? 1174 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,520 Or when I say now I'm, I'm even talking about the 90s, you know, 1175 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,640 with especially with the release of the PlayStation, right? 1176 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,320 But you know, we said a couple of times as well before, like 1177 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,280 the Amiga for me, that was brilliant. 1178 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,040 And yeah, we had the Neo Geo. Then you started getting into 1179 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,760 2000s, you had the whole main simulation, right. 1180 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,000 And people are running arcade games at home. 1181 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,840 So all these factors, yeah, must have contributed And and now 1182 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,080 they are like you said, I think they're more novelty 1183 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,840 experiences, you know, like these basketball things. 1184 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,600 And to win tickets, like said, you need 20,000 just to be able 1185 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,560 to get like a pencil. Yeah. 1186 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,040 It's. Yeah, and they drive me out of 1187 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,800 the wall, those things. But they, you know, the kids 1188 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,320 love them and invariably you go into an arcade and some person's 1189 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,720 won a million of them and God, he goes, I don't know what to do 1190 00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:50,680 with them. Do you want them? 1191 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,400 And just gives them to my kids. So they end up having a Mars 1192 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,120 bar, you know, which is a, that's how much it costs. 1193 00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,440 So somebody has has literally spent 20 or £30 to buy a pound 1194 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,440 chocolate bar. And the other thing is one more 1195 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,040 game to mention was we talk about, because I'm talking about 1196 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,080 frustrating experiences on games. 1197 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,440 It looked amazing. Dragon Slayer, did you ever see? 1198 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,320 We talked about Dragon's Lair on the first podcast, Laser Discs 1199 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:17,560 and the Evolution. Yeah. 1200 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,440 But yeah, Dragon's Lair was, I think, one of the most single 1201 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:26,560 infuriating games. If you didn't memorize the 1202 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,360 actions required to achieve the things, I think you had specific 1203 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,320 buttons for an action. So to people listening and the 1204 00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,360 home version, I think there was one that played more like a 1205 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,680 game, but even the home versions, it was basically a 1206 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,880 series of cutscenes and at some point it wouldn't even announce 1207 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:43,960 it. Like now you kind of get a 1208 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,240 warning. You would have to do an action 1209 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,880 either like left, right, up, down or or attack. 1210 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,040 You had to go the right way. And if you got the wrong 1, you 1211 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,440 died and that was it. You had to go back or you know, 1212 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,960 and if you got the right 1, you would then proceed to the next 1213 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,600 cutscene. But it looked stunning. 1214 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,080 But it was so. Strange, it was created this the 1215 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,360 animation was all created by Don Bluth, who was the next Disney 1216 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,520 animator, right? So, so he'd so they they 1217 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:14,200 basically, you know, employed him to create these animations 1218 00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,640 and you'll have seen Don Bluth work, right? 1219 00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,680 He's done loads of the the one the I can't remember the the 1220 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,040 dinosaur franchise he did outside of Disney. 1221 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,200 That was, you know, animated movie about little cute 1222 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,000 dinosaurs. But, you know, people will 1223 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,720 recognise his work. But yeah, they, they, they 1224 00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,880 basically employed him to do this, to create this game. 1225 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,280 I'm not sure anyone ever saw the end of it. 1226 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,960 I jet unless on the laser disc there was an option to just 1227 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,160 watch the movie. Do you know? 1228 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,320 What I mean, because it was, yeah, I think the furthest I got 1229 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:50,000 was maybe the third cutscene, and that was like, yeah. 1230 00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,520 And then you died and replayed it and they were like, I can't 1231 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,080 get there again. It was that. 1232 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,120 Hard, yeah. And it was, it was more 1233 00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,840 expensive because obviously it was it was a better looking. 1234 00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,400 It was more hardware, I think, wasn't it? 1235 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,800 It was a late, yeah. I mean, you know, quick ago 1236 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,600 probably. Hey, people complain about 1237 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,280 Soulsborne and and those types of games and kind of right, you 1238 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,680 know nothing. Go and play Dragon's Lair and 1239 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:17,280 see how see if you managed to keep your sanity right, Because 1240 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,120 yeah, that game was something else. 1241 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,360 I tell you what arcades did do for me, though, I spent in in my 1242 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,880 latter years, I was just big. You'd be surprised to hear this. 1243 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,560 I'm a big comic book nerd as well. 1244 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,960 And so I used to take a lot of trips into London when I was 1245 00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,720 kind of 1516 to kind of go to comic book shops and used to 1246 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,760 haunt Jonathan Ross's comic book shop because he always had kind 1247 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,240 of latest editions and things like that there. 1248 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,400 But on my way back, I'd always kind of go past kind of 1249 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,400 Piccadilly Circus area and go to the Trocadero. 1250 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,000 Which was Trocadero. Yeah, yeah. 1251 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,320 Big arcade that. Was a big one, wasn't it? 1252 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,680 That was it. Was yeah, it was the one you 1253 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,400 went to and obviously remained for quite might still be there, 1254 00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,120 but remained for quite a while because of the tourism aspect 1255 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,200 and you had a lot of footfall and things like that. 1256 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,000 But one of the things that opened my eyes on in the very 1257 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,760 early days of it. And again, you do it now you 1258 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:11,800 just go yeah, it's just a thing. Book was VR, so they had AVR rig 1259 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,800 up there where you played like in a big mech. 1260 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,880 You were basically, you know, got inside a mech and fought 1261 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,360 other people. And it was. 1262 01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,200 It's just world changing, like you kind of got in it and I must 1263 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,640 have spent the 1st 5 minutes, I think you only have maybe 10 1264 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,480 minutes. So the first 5 minutes just 1265 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,280 staring straight ahead and then something happened, a noise or 1266 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,560 something and I and then it clicks and you're like, Oh my 1267 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,080 God, I can look around. I can you know. 1268 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:40,080 So, you know, arcade's actually had a quite a profound impact 1269 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,040 on, you know, that and probably my wallet now when I then when 1270 01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,680 when, you know, I now need to go and buy virtual reality. 1271 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,000 So when I got old enough and big enough and earned enough money, 1272 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,080 I was like, well, I'm definitely buying a PlayStation VR and and 1273 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:53,920 the next generation of that as well. 1274 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,560 And, you know, and when you do play it, it's been it. 1275 01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,840 But it all started at an arcade. Yeah, yeah. 1276 01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,240 You know, and even now there's some of these arcades have VR 1277 01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:04,880 machines in them, just stand alone units. 1278 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,480 I remember years ago going to one of these kind of arcades now 1279 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,680 with a mutual colleague of ours. And so we're probably talking 1280 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,560 probably about it's got to be at least if it's not ten years ago, 1281 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,360 it's it's a couple of years either side of that. 1282 01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,840 And it was in London. It was called the heart of 1283 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,240 gaming and it was set up as A to keep gaming scene going. 1284 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,160 So it and it was brilliant because it's moved since, but it 1285 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,920 was in a building kind of it felt like in the middle of 1286 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,880 nowhere that there's on a couple of floors and you went into one 1287 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,440 room and it was just arcade cabinets and they would load 1288 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,560 whatever games up onto it. But another room I remember 1289 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,560 where they had like the dancing machines going on. 1290 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,920 It encouraged people. You paid the fee. 1291 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,760 I think it was like 10 LB to get in. 1292 01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,400 But then everything you, you, you could just be in there as 1293 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,320 long as you want. That's like there were people 1294 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,960 getting take out pizzas in there and, and, and running around 1295 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,360 pizza. But there was like another room 1296 01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,040 where they had like the the Rock Band games set up and another 1297 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:00,960 room where it was all the consoles. 1298 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,520 And that's what I'm saying. I remember sitting in there 1299 01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,880 playing Gears of War, the original version on an Xbox 360 1300 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,800 in in that and I think that's probably where I'd love to see 1301 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,520 more of those start coming. I think there is one sort of not 1302 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,320 not more than half hour away from us. 1303 01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,240 So maybe we should do a road trip? 1304 01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:18,680 I think it's called research, Dan. 1305 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,480 I think it's called research and it's a legitimate reason to give 1306 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,040 Tom Wyers. We're doing some research for 1307 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,440 the podcast. We we're going to go a little 1308 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,680 bit, yeah. Play some video games or what? 1309 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,920 That would be more video games. Yeah, I did tell you my little 1310 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,880 secret. I'd always wanted to open it and 1311 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,480 arcade and pizza joint that was kind of mine. 1312 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,720 You should do it like that American star thing. 1313 01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:38,360 Just. Let's do it. 1314 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,320 Let's do it. I mean, it's a terrible business 1315 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,680 model. I mean it will, it will just end 1316 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,080 up being a pizza restaurant if. They're I'll beat you out of 1317 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,840 business in the first day, right? 1318 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,920 So yeah, I, I mentioned the timeline. 1319 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,800 I'm not going to go too much into detail. 1320 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,960 And again, very loose, especially sort of in like 1321 01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,400 America, the, the first arcade machines really appeared around 1322 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,320 7177, which if you think about it, you know, a lot earlier than 1323 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,600 I thought it would be the golden age of arcade games said to be 1324 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,920 78 to 83. So that's Space Invaders was 1325 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,000 made in 78. But if you think in that that 1326 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,760 period, that five year period, you add Asteroids, Galaxian, 1327 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,200 Missile Command, Pac-Man, Centipede, Defender, Donkey 1328 01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,120 Kong, Frogger, Gallagher, Scramble, Tempest and Zaxon. 1329 01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,800 All in all in that 4-5 year period. 1330 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,360 That, that's strange as well. That's the first mention of 1331 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,040 Donkey Kong. Right which? 1332 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,840 Obviously spawned 1 of arguably the biggest franchises on the 1333 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,240 planet, right? So it's yeah. 1334 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,440 But neither of us kind of mentioned it, mainly because it 1335 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:40,640 was bloody frustrating to be honest. 1336 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,000 Jump man and you. Know well, I never really played 1337 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,800 it at the arcade, only at that that heart of gaming place I 1338 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,120 told you about. But yeah, but that was 1981 1339 01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,280 Donkey Kong. The end of the golden age was 1340 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,120 1984. And I had a comment, I can't 1341 01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,760 remember who it's attributed to, but said that in 1982 there were 1342 01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,720 too many arcades for what was really needed. 1343 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,400 Additionally, players required novelty and new games, and thus 1344 01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,440 required older games to be discontinued and replaced with 1345 01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,560 new ones. But not all new games were as 1346 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,120 successful as those at the height of golden age. 1347 01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,600 Knowing that players were seeking more challenge, game 1348 01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,160 manufacturers designed the newer games to be harder. 1349 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,560 But this caused less skilled mainstream players to to turn 1350 01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:20,960 away that. Makes sense? 1351 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,840 We kind of said that, didn't we? I want more money, so I'm going 1352 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,280 to make it harder so you put more money in. 1353 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,840 I don't want to play it anymore. Market recovery 85 to 90. 1354 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,400 So, and this was actually fuelled in them by fighting 1355 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,640 games and, and you mentioned a few, so the yeah, popular 1356 01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,240 martial arts games, including games like karate Champ ER Kung 1357 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:44,160 Fu, Kung Fu, just a renegade advanced motion simulated games 1358 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,320 like we've spoke about like Superhang on space Harriet and 1359 01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,520 Outrun and the resurgence of sports games like track and 1360 01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,880 field and the World Cup game. I remember there was a football 1361 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,040 game I used to play loads where you could foul the opponent. 1362 01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,160 Yeah, and track and field. Oh my God, Button mashing had 1363 01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:01,840 its finest right. That was just. 1364 01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:03,720 And the roller ball. Yes. 1365 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,840 Oh yes. Which you could track your skin 1366 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:06,160 in. Yeah. 1367 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:12,400 Injuries. Like Missile Command 2.0 is, 1368 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,880 yeah, horrendous. The only figures I'm going to 1369 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:19,360 throw at you so they said by 985 the the arcade industry was 1370 01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:24,480 dominated by Japanese manufacturers and by 1988 the US 1371 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:29,040 arcade video game revenue had increased to 5 1/2 billion 1372 01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:34,800 dollars, equivalent to 14.6 now. However, competition from 1373 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,360 consoles like the the NES had revitalised the home video game 1374 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,360 industry and was drawing players away. 1375 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,000 It had a bit of a mini resurgence apparently in 9199 1376 01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,480 because of 3D. So games like and and again more 1377 01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,480 fine games like Street Fighter do Tekken 2, Mortal Kombat and 1378 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,680 virtue of Fighter. This was an interesting one. 1379 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:57,640 Here in 1993, Electronic Games noted that when historians look 1380 01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,960 back at the world of coin op during the early 90s, one of the 1381 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,280 defining highlights of the video game art form will undoubtedly, 1382 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,480 undoubtedly focus on fighting martial arts themes, which it 1383 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,200 described as the backbone of the industry. 1384 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,280 I mean, Mortal Kombat, that's all I'll say when that came out, 1385 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,160 right? Yeah, again, it was on my list, 1386 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,880 you know, but I didn't mention it specifically because I 1387 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,680 thought it's, you know, everyone knows it, right? 1388 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,960 And but everyone knows it because it's still around, 1389 01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,440 right? It's got legs, right? 1390 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,880 All of these things have legs. Street Fighter still has legs. 1391 01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,840 All of these things that were virtual fighter I think is 1392 01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,880 coming back next year. I think there's another virtual 1393 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,640 fighter being made. I mean, look, Donkey Kong right 1394 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,240 now, Mario, but Donkey Kong's launch title for the for the, 1395 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,080 for the Switch too. You know, there's a new shinobi 1396 01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:45,880 game coming up before the end of the year. 1397 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,840 So all of these things still have these things with a big 1398 01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,880 history. They still come all the way 1399 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,880 through to even now, right? And yes, they've changed and 1400 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,160 yes, they've different studios and everything like that. 1401 01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,400 But yeah, they they hang around for a reason. 1402 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,120 They're great games. And Mortal Kombat was one of 1403 01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:02,160 them. It was phenomenal, right? 1404 01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,880 It was the first motion captured, you know, fighting 1405 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,240 game and it was it looked a bit clanky. 1406 01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,040 I guess now when you look back at even the arcade version was a 1407 01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,800 bit clanky, but it had that hook. 1408 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,480 How do? I We all wanted to see those 1409 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,640 fatalities, everyone. Wanted to see the fatalities. 1410 01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,280 That was the thing. That was the thing that, you 1411 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,160 know, drove you. You know, I want to see someone 1412 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,520 pull someone's head off and beat them to death with the spine or 1413 01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,080 whatever it was. Yeah, the final bit really was 1414 01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:31,520 saying COVID-19 pandemic and decline 2020 to present. 1415 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,320 They said it did. You know, COVID-19 did have an 1416 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,360 effect in Japan. Arcades did not qualify for 1417 01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,360 funding from lost revenue from the Japanese government. 1418 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,920 And in the wake of the pandemic, several long standing arcades 1419 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,160 were forced to close. Notably, Sega sold off most of 1420 01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,760 its arcade business. And there was an analysis firm 1421 01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,480 said that in 2024, they estimated that over 8000 arcades 1422 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,200 had closed in the previous decade. 1423 01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:58,480 Yeah. Yeah. 1424 01:07:58,480 --> 01:07:59,640 And that that doesn't surprise me. 1425 01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,480 I mean, and this is the thing we forget in in Japan, these were 1426 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,920 huge business owned, you know, places of, you know, where 1427 01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,600 people, businessmen would go and play, you know, whereas here 1428 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,000 they were all small independents run by, you know, people who 1429 01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,040 finished at the fairground and wanted to retire by the seaside. 1430 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,560 Now that's the sort of units we got. 1431 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,880 I think Trocadero was sponsored by or, or or purchased by Sega 1432 01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,920 at some point, but then sold on. So, you know, because it was the 1433 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:29,240 Sega Trocadero, you know, but, but, but in Japan it was, it was 1434 01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,760 a massive industry. Like here it was like pop down 1435 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,720 the seaside and play. But there it was. 1436 01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:38,560 It was built into everyday life. And it yeah, it's just the sad. 1437 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,640 Why is it sad? I mean. 1438 01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,960 It changes, doesn't. It things change, right? 1439 01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,319 Yeah, I can do it all at home without putting 10P in the 1440 01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:48,600 machine anymore. I guess that's the thing we've 1441 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,080 got, you know, we've got the ability to enjoy it more at home 1442 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:56,080 than we didn't at the time. So now the arcades need to 1443 01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,479 evolve and we've said they kind of have, right? 1444 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,080 I've got one more. I've got more than three lives. 1445 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,880 Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1446 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,240 I've got two more things on this to say. 1447 01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,760 So one was I found a quote somewhere that said that in 1448 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:14,800 North America in 1982, there were 24,004 arcades, 400,000 1449 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,240 arcade St. locations, and one and a half million arcade 1450 01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,840 machines active. And they said, you know, from 1451 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,120 all that today there's probably closer to 4000 arcades. 1452 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,160 But I had one fun thing here now, and this was it was a 1453 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,080 Wikipedia article. And even they say, look, this 1454 01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,600 this is subject to change. But I look to what the most 1455 01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,560 grossing or the highest grossing arcade games were. 1456 01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,560 So I don't think it's a surprise. 1457 01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:43,160 What's the first couple? So PAC Man's number one, so 1458 01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,479 released 9 Do you? Think that's a longevity thing 1459 01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:46,560 though. Do you think that's a? 1460 01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,760 Yeah. Well, we say that it says here 1461 01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,640 the hardware units sold were until 1982. 1462 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:58,440 So, you know the figures I'm going to quote until 1982 is 1463 01:09:58,440 --> 01:10:02,040 insane, right? So the estimate, the estimated 1464 01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:07,360 gross revenue for Pac-Man until 1982 was $6 billion. 1465 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,320 Wow. That's equivalent to 2024 1466 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:16,720 inflation of 19.5 billion. For a for a little yellow cookie 1467 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:19,880 trying to not be in by ghosts, that's 6. 1468 01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,280 Billion, yeah. Wow. 1469 01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:28,440 A Space Invaders were number 21978 up until 1982. 1470 01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:32,840 It grows 3.8 billion, which is equivalent to 18.3 today. 1471 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:38,760 Street Fighter Two was third and that was 5.3 billion, equivalent 1472 01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:43,880 to 12.3 and I won't go into them all but 4 was King of Fighters 1473 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,200 97. That's the newest game from 97 1474 01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,680 Donkey Kong, Miss Pac-Man, Asteroids and Defender. 1475 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:52,680 Where was? Where was RoboCop then? 1476 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,320 I didn't put enough. I didn't put enough coins in it 1477 01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,520 back in the day. I think that's a problem. 1478 01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:01,440 Disappointing it's not on that billion list. 1479 01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,080 Right, we'll probably need to close out soon because I'm 1480 01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,160 sitting in the dark because I forgot to turn my light on 1481 01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,440 before we started recording and I. 1482 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,160 Didn't need to put 50P in a meeting. 1483 01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,800 You didn't do that on purpose because it was. 1484 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,760 There was a link, no. No, so I'm we're going to finish 1485 01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,040 down. What are you looking forward to 1486 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,160 in the world of games in the next week or two? 1487 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,680 Next week or two, so I'm going to I'm going to desperately. 1488 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,680 There are two main quest lines in in in nowhere sort of wicked, 1489 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,000 and I've got to the end of both of them, which end with the just 1490 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,400 ridiculously hard boss battles on either end. 1491 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,200 So I'm, I'm trying to do that and do a bit of grinding to 1492 01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,720 level up to try and get through that, but I think it's in vain 1493 01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:44,000 because it's just too hard. I'm going to have a good old go 1494 01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,520 at Expedition 33. I think Revenge of the Savage 1495 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,560 Planet comes out in the next couple of weeks as well. 1496 01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:53,040 And I thoroughly enjoyed the humor of the first one being a 1497 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,960 kind of FPS. But that's launched on Game Pass 1498 01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,240 and it's now a third person, third person. 1499 01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:03,480 So that that looks quite good. Then I guess imminently just, 1500 01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:06,000 you know, about a month away from the Switch to launch. 1501 01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:11,440 So I'll be Mario, Mario World, Mario Kart World and then 1502 01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,760 something I'm trying to rope you into because I spoke to you 1503 01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,560 about it before and I'm very much looking forward to. 1504 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,240 I'm going to encourage any listeners to go and have a look 1505 01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:22,720 at his FBC Fire Break from the guys who bought you Control and 1506 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,920 Alan Wake. And it's there that is their 1507 01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:30,000 kind of Co-op extraction shooter type thing, but with a lot more 1508 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,200 humour. And you can single play it all 1509 01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:33,960 set in the oldest House from control. 1510 01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,320 That looks like a heap of fun. So I know you and me are going 1511 01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,880 to have got a list of of some Co-op we want to go after. 1512 01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,440 So yeah, that's that's kind of where I'm at for next couple of 1513 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:45,120 weeks. So hopefully, yeah, all my 1514 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,720 dreams will come true without having to put pennies into. 1515 01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:49,320 Them. What have you got on your list 1516 01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:53,040 though for the next weeks or so? For me, I want to get stuck into 1517 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,840 Expedition 33. I've heard I've not I've I've 1518 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,520 kept myself spoiler free, but I've heard there's some really 1519 01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:02,000 big plot points in it. So OK, but I'm taking my time 1520 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,480 with it exploring everywhere. So yeah, it it'll be to continue 1521 01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:08,080 that. But the other thing I picked up, 1522 01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,080 you know, and we were talking about indie games last week is 1523 01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,040 it looks weird and sounds weird. So I'm going to read to you what 1524 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,880 the description is, but I'm not going to pronounce it right, but 1525 01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,000 it's called despellote. This is the football. 1526 01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,000 The football one, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I've read. 1527 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,120 I've read about it. I have read about it. 1528 01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:24,800 Yeah. Yeah, I saw it. 1529 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,480 And not my bag, but I, I, I when do you know what? 1530 01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:30,680 When I saw it, I went. Dan's going to be all over that. 1531 01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,480 Well, it's right up my alley. I love these kind of indie games 1532 01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:37,680 and it's developed by two people and when I read about it, I 1533 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,720 thought, you know, I bought it one to support them. 1534 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,200 And also at the moment it's because it's new, it's got like 1535 01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,960 a very slight discount. It's described as a first person 1536 01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,400 slice of life set in keto during Ecuador's qualification for the 1537 01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,480 2002 FIFA World Cup, where the player is able to explore and 1538 01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:55,200 play with soccer ball in the city. 1539 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,800 Now it doesn't sound like much, but everything I've read said 1540 01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,480 it's actually quite, there's quite a lot of emotion in it 1541 01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:03,680 because it's developed by two people and they've put their 1542 01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,040 personal life stories into it so. 1543 01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:10,320 It's had some stellar reviews, like across the board, a bit 1544 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,000 like blueprints. When that came out, it was like, 1545 01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:13,520 you know, everyone is in agreement. 1546 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,520 It's a cracking game. So yeah, I am going to. 1547 01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,640 That's going to be my so I always tend to have two games on 1548 01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,800 the go. 1 is like a big game and 1 is a quick sort of 5 minutes 1549 01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,240 here or there. So that'll be that game. 1550 01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:26,720 So yeah, I'm, I'm really looking forward to it. 1551 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,680 It looks very quirky, but you know, I wouldn't have bought it 1552 01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,120 if it was was rubbish. But as you said, it's getting 1553 01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,280 really good right up. So yeah, good man. 1554 01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,160 So Dan, anything else you want to say on anything we've said? 1555 01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,680 No, as always, enjoy the games you got, enjoy the games that 1556 01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:48,320 are coming up and we will no doubt touch upon Half Life 3 1557 01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,720 when we come back with the next episode. 1558 01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,720 I will be. I'll try and claw my way out of 1559 01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,280 the rabbit hole of Reddit and and and hopefully have some 1560 01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,600 truths around it, but are. You saying Half Life 3 1561 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,120 confirmed? Is that what you're saying? 1562 01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,800 I look, I told you I follow it on Twitter or WEX or whatever it 1563 01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,840 is called now is Half Life 3 out yet? 1564 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:07,640 The answer was still no today. So. 1565 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,760 So no, no, not confirmed. Well, thanks Dan and thanks 1566 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,360 everyone for listening. As I said, we have got plans for 1567 01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,960 this, so please keep paying attention to this feed, the 1568 01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,040 casting Views feed for now. And when we put these episodes 1569 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,440 out, keep. Yeah, yeah. 1570 01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:24,040 Just keep an eye out for the news. 1571 01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,400 We'll launch soon. If you've got any memories of 1572 01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,640 arcades or favorite arcade games, get in touch. 1573 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,800 Drop us, you know, respond to anywhere. 1574 01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,640 Respond to us anywhere on social media. 1575 01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:38,320 And yeah, we'll see you next time for another episode of 1576 01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:49,360 Gaming VIEWS. 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