1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,520 Hey everybody. Welcome back to the Elon Musk 2 00:00:04,520 --> 00:00:07,120 Podcast. This is a show where we discuss 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,520 the critical crossroads that shape SpaceX, Tesla X, The 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,600 Boring Company, and Neurolink. I'm your host, Will Walden. 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,160 Elon Musk has confirmed that he is launching a new political 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,840 party called the America Party, reigniting speculation about his 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,240 next move in both politics and also cryptocurrency. 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,560 Now the decision comes as the United States stares down a 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,400 staggering $37 trillion debt pile that was triggered when 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,400 some are calling a fiscal emergency. 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,680 Musk has used his ex account to sharply criticize the current 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,760 trajectory of U.S. government spending, citing it as his 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,120 reason for splitting from Donald Trump in the Republican 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,080 establishment. Now the question now being asked 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,760 is direct and immediate. Will Elon Musk attempt to 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,840 reshape American politics and the financial system at the same 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:06,520 time by tying the American party to Bitcoin, not Doge? 18 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:09,840 Now Musk's public follow with Donald Trump stems from Trump's 19 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,600 support of a bill that raised the debt ceiling and expanded 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,520 federal spending. Musk has originally championed 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,760 Trump's return to the White House based on a shared platform 22 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,160 of fiscal restraint, but broke ranks after Trump endorsed a 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:28,400 2024 budget that widened the deficit by another $500 billion. 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,400 Musk called the move insane, arguing on X that it would 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,800 bankrupt the country. His tone has turned sharper in 26 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,320 recent months to especially as federal deficit projections 27 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:43,320 continue to climb with no political consensus on cuts or 28 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:46,560 restructuring. How the American party appears 29 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,000 to be Musk's response to what he sees as bipartisan failure. 30 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,760 He hasn't officially registered the party, but he has already 31 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,840 started building a public presence around it. 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:02:00,000 An unaffiliated account on X, labeled America Party X, has 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,280 circulated pro Bitcoin posts and frequently interacts with 34 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,440 cryptocurrency influencers, which has amplified theories 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,320 that Musk intends to tie the party's financial ideology to 36 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,440 Bitcoin and crypto. Now, while the account itself 37 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,400 disclaims any direct link to Musk, has fueled a stream of 38 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,560 online discourse tying Musk's monetary beliefs to digital 39 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,240 currency ideals. Now Musk responded to an ex user 40 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,280 who asked if the America Party would embrace Bitcoin by writing 41 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:32,200 Fiat is hopeless. So yes, a single comment caused 42 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,360 a sharp spike in the price of Bitcoin, echoing previous price 43 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,720 swings tied to Musk's past statements about crypto. 44 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,440 Musk was referring to Fiat currencies, government backed 45 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,320 currencies that are not tied to any commodity like gold, as 46 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,280 fundamentally flawed systems. That position aligns with long 47 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,440 standing criticisms from Bitcoin supporters who argue that the 48 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,840 dollar's value is manipulated by central banks in unsustainable 49 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:08,360 levels of debt. Now let's see, Bitcoin is 50 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:15,560 connected to the US deficit increase, and the surge of 51 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Bitcoin is going to be long term, according to some 52 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,160 analysts. So nearly $2 trillion added to 53 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,880 the federal debt in 2024 alone as a sign of monetary 54 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,400 instability. Of course, there's some 55 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:37,480 skepticism that we pointed out that the X account allegedly 56 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,080 belonging to Musk lacked some verification. 57 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,000 They've been fabricating images in the past, casting doubt on 58 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,920 whether the interaction occurred between Elon Musk and his ex 59 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,520 account. Even without hard proof, though, 60 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,120 Musk's growing criticisms of government overspending have 61 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,600 created an unmistakable alignment with the core values 62 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,440 of the Bitcoin movement. The statements about the US 63 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,680 dollar and his support for decentralized finance continue 64 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,080 to energize crypto traders who believe he may fully embrace 65 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,000 Bitcoin as part of his political message as opposed to Dogecoin. 66 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,839 And I can understand why. Bitcoin has a much bigger market 67 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,440 than Dogecoin, and it's more acceptable to use Bitcoin, that 68 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,080 is, to use doge. So of course he's going to use 69 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,080 Bitcoin. Now. 70 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,200 The broader debate about U.S. debt has reached a fever pitch 71 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:34,720 across Wall Street, Silicon Valley to the All In podcast, 72 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:39,520 host David Friedberg warned the country of a fiscal emergency. 73 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,080 He's hosted Elon Musk before and also Donald Trump on the 74 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,320 podcast. And he said that current 75 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,720 political leaders are ignoring the structural deficit crisis. 76 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,680 You said that the post COVID stimulus packages and high 77 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,840 interest rates are accelerating the cost of servicing our debt. 78 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,040 Interest rates have risen sharply since 2022 as the 79 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,000 Federal Reserve tried to fight inflation, causing the cost of 80 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,840 servicing the national debt to increase dramatically. 81 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,600 In the past fiscal year, though, the US government paid over a 82 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,440 trillion dollars in interest payments but no political 83 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,320 consensus on austerity or tax reform. 84 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,680 The debt ceiling has turned into a recurring crisis point. 85 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,160 Each increase in the ceiling now introduces trillions more in 86 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,280 borrowing, compelling investor anxiety about long term currency 87 00:05:30,280 --> 00:05:33,640 stability. The Musk's statement that Fiat 88 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:40,680 is hopeless adds more dimensions to this debate, he suggests, may 89 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,280 not be just reacting to US fiscal policy, but actively 90 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:47,480 proposing an alternative economic framework. 91 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,320 So Bitcoin could be used in this and in this context, it becomes 92 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,160 more than just an asset. Like people have it now, they 93 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,240 hold on to our huddle onto it for a while and make some money. 94 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:05,520 Now, truth be told, I do have some Bitcoin holdings and I'm 95 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,200 happy that Elon Musk and Bitcoin are working together in some 96 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,720 fashion, or at least there's speculation about it, but it's 97 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,520 not much, to be honest with you. Anything I make from this show, 98 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,600 I put a tiny bit of it into Bitcoin for, you know, for later 99 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,160 on in life, just as a speculative investment or a 100 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,080 speculative asset. So Bitcoin becomes a policy tool 101 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,600 for Elon. And if Elon Musk follows through 102 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:36,480 on incorporating Bitcoin into his political platform would 103 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,880 make the American Party the first credible national 104 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,560 political initiative in the United States to formally reject 105 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:47,640 Fiat currency as its foundation. Now, this begs another point. 106 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,240 If Elon Musk and the America Party are taking Bitcoin 107 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:58,680 donations in some way, if that's even possible, how do you track 108 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,200 those donations? I don't know if you can. 109 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:08,440 There's ways to track Bitcoin, but it's very difficult. the US 110 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:09,840 government can do it, I know that. 111 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,200 But will they spend their time and their money and their 112 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,400 manpower on tracking all of the political donations to Elon 113 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,560 Musk's American Party? Probably, yes. 114 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,480 They're afraid of him. The Republicans and the 115 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,040 Democrats alike, They don't want a third party because they're in 116 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,160 power right now and they will continue to be in power for the 117 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:35,600 foreseeable future until somebody with power, money and 118 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,680 the right plan comes along and shakes things up. 119 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,000 And that could be Elon Musk. So we'll see what happens as far 120 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,920 as Bitcoin and the funding of his party because to be honest 121 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,960 with you, I'm not Privy to the knowledge of how a political 122 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,600 party is formed. And then we'll get into that in 123 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,720 another episode about this whole thing and how the parties are 124 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,000 formed and what it takes for Elon to actually do this. 125 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,160 Like where is he going to get the funding? 126 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,320 Does he fund it himself? Are there outside funders? 127 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,560 I, I'm not 100% sure, but he is in talks with other people that 128 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:15,200 have funded other parties in the past. 129 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,120 So he will, he'll know that all the information pretty soon and 130 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,800 we'll bring that to you as well. So far, Musk hasn't confirmed 131 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,880 any specific policy platforms for the American party beyond 132 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,320 his condemnation the federal overspending, though the timing 133 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,280 of the bro pro Bitcoin comments in the emerging network of pro 134 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,240 crypto messaging around the new party have established a clear 135 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,159 signal the monetary reform may be central to its identity. 136 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:49,120 But also think of it like this. People that hold crypto want to 137 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:55,040 make money, so of course they'll make an account that's pro Elon 138 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,800 and pro the America Party so they can bump up the price of 139 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,480 Bitcoin and get that massive return because people think that 140 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,920 Elon Musk is backing Bitcoin, the most powerful, richest 141 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,800 person in the world outside of the US president. 142 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,280 Of course the price of Bitcoin is going to go up and of course 143 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,760 people are going to make money. So that would make sense as well 144 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,520 if this X account is not from the America party. 145 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:33,400 Now I Speaking of Bitcoin and financial things, I asked the 146 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,280 other day for some help for the channel for the show. 147 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,720 And if you're a if you're a supporter of this show, and I 148 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,960 know there are a lot of you out there that are supporters of the 149 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,000 show and fans of the show and you've already subscribed to the 150 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,720 show or followed the show and whatever podcast platform you're 151 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,920 listening on right now. I really want to say that I 152 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,720 appreciate every single one of you listening every single time. 153 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:57,800 It helps out a lot. 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So if you really like the show, 175 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:48,280 please take a second and donate at will Dash Walden on Venmo 176 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,480 right now. Let's get back to the America 177 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,000 Party for a minute. It's unofficial. 178 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,120 It's presence is already influencing discourse around the 179 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,920 US and talking about the US debt, people, more people are 180 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,240 talking about it and also alternative economic models. the 181 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,280 US isn't going to move away from what it is now. 182 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:10,600 They're not going to move to Bitcoin. 183 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,200 There's no way they're going to do that. 184 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,000 There's it's too much, it's too complicated. 185 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,920 But, you know, Elon Musk has shifted from being a corporate 186 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,360 executive with just strong opinions to someone who appears 187 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,880 to be building an ideological movement. 188 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,640 And Peter Thiel had an interview recently. 189 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,440 I was watching. And in that interview, he was 190 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,160 talking about how Elon Musk realized, and it took him years 191 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:43,920 to realize this, that even if you do go to Mars, the 192 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,520 ideologies from Earth will follow you there. 193 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:52,240 That woke woke AI will follow you to Mars. 194 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:59,600 So is this the beginning of Elon Musk creating a Society of 195 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,120 people that he would want to bring to Mars with him? 196 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:09,520 An ideology that Elon Musk could bring to Mars with him to create 197 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,960 a new society With those ideologies, the America party 198 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,960 could become the Mars party. Elon Musk still wants to send 199 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,000 broadcast to Mars and working on it at Star Base Texas. 200 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,680 If you're not familiar with the show, I spent about 10 months at 201 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,080 Starbase Texas reporting on Starship. 202 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,440 At Starbase, I was on the side of the road. 203 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,080 It was 110°. Every day it's getting blasted 204 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,840 by the sun, getting sandblasted and also torrential downpours. 205 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,520 Got caught in a couple hurricanes down there. 206 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,280 It was wild. But I spent my time down there. 207 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,680 I did my time and I reported from the side of the road 208 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:51,840 because I'm a supporter of what Elon is doing as far as Starship 209 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:57,200 goes and sending humans to Mars. I think it's going to be a 210 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:01,720 humanity changing mission if it all goes well. 211 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,440 So I wanted to be there in the beginning when he started 212 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,480 building this thing. So I was there before any 213 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:12,080 launches and the rocket 4/20 was stacked. 214 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,200 And then after that IA few months after that I took off and 215 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,640 had to go back up north to the northeast. 216 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,160 But I think what Elon is doing down there is important. 217 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,880 I think making those rockets is important because not only for 218 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,120 SpaceX and for Elon, but for all of humanity to know that super 219 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,680 heavy rockets can exist and they can actually work. 220 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:38,360 That's important because then we can send gigantic payloads to 221 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,400 other planets. We can send them to Mars. 222 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,320 We can send a Saturn to Jupiter, to Uranus, but we can send 223 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,040 people to those places too, as long as, you know, radiation 224 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,720 doesn't get us and they have enough supplies to get to those 225 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:58,440 places and back. But the important thing is what 226 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:04,640 Elon realized before, that AI can follow you to any planet in 227 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,960 the solar system. And if AI can follow you to any 228 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:14,160 planet in the solar system, also robotics can go to any planet in 229 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:19,320 the solar system. So maybe the play isn't sending 230 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:24,080 people to Mars. Maybe initially it will be, but 231 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:29,960 sending AI robots around the solar system with this ideology, 232 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:36,360 the America Party ideology, and the AI in those robots could 233 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,360 have this ideology. Maybe that's the play now. 234 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,080 Maybe it's bigger than just America. 235 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,520 Maybe it's bigger than just getting a hold of the fiscal 236 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,760 economic model that's alternative to what we have now. 237 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,680 And he might see the downfall of Western civilization as we know 238 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:59,680 it if the US goes into bigger debt and he wants to make an 239 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,280 alternative to what we have now. So there's an escape plan. 240 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,440 If you're on a podcast platform that has comments, please leave 241 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,200 a comment. What you think about that? 242 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,720 Do you think Elon's building this America party for an escape 243 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,320 plan? It's going to be very difficult 244 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,920 to live on Mars, by the way. They're still working on it. 245 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,040 Nobody actually knows how to live on Mars yet. 246 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,040 One, because there's no field tests on Mars that have been 247 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,720 done. The radiation on Mars will kill 248 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,640 you. You have to have a habitat and 249 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,880 it's not going to be one of those like fancy habitats that 250 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,920 you see in all the sci-fi shows where it's glass and metal and 251 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,680 it's going to be ugly. It's not going to be the best 252 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,640 looking thing. It's going to have thick walls 253 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,000 and you pretty much can't go outside unless you're going to 254 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:02,160 go from your habitat to like a rocket or something to get away 255 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,720 from the radiation. You can't stand out there for 256 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,400 very long, and we can talk about that another episode too, about 257 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:14,839 the habitat on Mars and how it seems almost unattainable, 258 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,839 almost impossible for people to live on Mars, basically because 259 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,119 there's no there's no atmosphere that protects you. 260 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:23,920 Same with the moon. There's no atmosphere. 261 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:28,000 So people can stay on the moon for a little while, of course, 262 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,520 but living on the moon, working on the moon, that's going to be 263 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,880 very dangerous. Same with Mars now. 264 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,400 Is this America party? This is just the precursor. 265 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:45,120 Could this just be a precursor to Elon's off world Mars 266 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:49,000 adventure? The Peter Teal interview was 267 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,840 striking. I didn't expect him to say that 268 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,320 when he said that. And he also could. 269 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:59,200 He talked about Elon's rockets as little science experiments 270 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:03,200 didn't really like he kind of talked down about him and eel on 271 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,040 her friends. But the way he talked about it 272 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,760 was condescending a little bit little condescending little 273 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,760 science experiment. Oh, Elon with his little science 274 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,160 experiment down there in Texas. You know, whatever you think 275 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,960 about Peter Thiel, that's a whole different thing with 276 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,760 Palantir and his, you know, his his plays with that. 277 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,320 That's something else we'll get into in another episode. 278 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,600 So if you're into those kind of things, please hit the subscribe 279 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,840 or follow button. 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