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When we talk about Musk drama, 
it's usually, you know, rockets,

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social media rebrands, maybe a 
cage match. 

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That never quite happens. 
It's always big, it's always 

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public, and it's almost always 
Elon. 

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But today, we're doing something
different. 

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We're looking at the other Musk 
Kimball, the one in the cowboy 

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hat. 
The farm to table guy. 

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The restaurateur who sits on the
board of Tesla and SpaceX. 

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He's often branded as like the 
good Musk. 

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Exactly. 
But the documents we're digging 

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into today, this huge release 
from the Department of Justice 

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analyzed in detail by the 
Guardian, they just, they 

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completely dismantle that entire
persona. 

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It's a huge shift, and we're 
also looking at this really 

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sharp opinion piece from 
Cholera's Sun that kind of 

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grapples with the fallout. 
The core of it all is Kimball 

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Musk's relationship with Jeffrey
Epstein. 

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And it's not just that they knew
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That's not the headline. 
It's the sheer scale of the 

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connection that's so jarring. 
Yeah. 

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We're not talking about a quick 
handshake at some gala. 

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Kimball Musk appears in the 
Epstein files over 300 times. 

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300 I mean, that number alone 
just changes the whole 

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conversation. 
It really does. 

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It takes you from, oh they might
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something something much more 
systematic. 

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And that's where the real 
conflict is, because Kimball has

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been trying to get out ahead of 
this. 

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He went on Ex, you know, 
formerly Twitter, on February 

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9th. 
He did. 

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He put out this statement that 
was basically a total disavowal.

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He. 
Claimed he met Epstein just once

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in some New York office and knew
right away that the guy was, and

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this is a direct quote, demon. 
A demon. 

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I mean, that's a really powerful
choice of words. 

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It suggests this immediate moral
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I saw evil and I walked away. 
He also tried to explain away 

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all those emails by saying, oh, 
Epstein was just on my mass 

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newsletter mailing list. 
Like thousands of other people 

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getting updates on what organic 
kale and school gardens. 

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Which, you know, on the surface,
that sounds kind of plausible 

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for a public figure. 
You have a big mailing list. 

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But the Guardian and the Boulder
for a reporting lab, they 

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actually read the emails. 
And that newsletter defense, it 

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just falls apart immediately. 
Instantly, these weren't mass 

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blasts. 
They were personal. 

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They were direct, specific, 
ongoing conversations. 

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They were logistical, they're 
intimate, and they totally 

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contradict that whole I met him 
once story. 

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I think the most damning piece 
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the island invitation. 
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Absolutely. 
That was from January 2013. 

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Right. 
So think about it, if you meet 

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someone once and decide they're 
a demon and then they invite you

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to their private island. 
You block them. 

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You, I don't know, call your 
security team. 

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You definitely don't reply 
politely. 

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Exactly. 
But Kimball didn't do that. 

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He didn't recoil in horror. 
His actual reply was that would 

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be nice. 
That would be nice. 

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He said he couldn't go, but not 
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It was because he was dealing 
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nuclear explosion that is my 
life, which was his divorce. 

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He even kept the door open, he 
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Maybe in the spring. 
Maybe in the spring, that's a 

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not how you talk to a demon. 
That's that's how you reschedule

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with a friend when you're busy. 
It just completely undermines 

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his entire public statement. 
It does. 

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But honestly, if you look past 
the hypocrisy of it all, the 

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actual content of these emails 
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disturbing than just a couple of
rich guys hanging out. 

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Yeah, it reveals this, this 
sophisticated operation. 

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This is what the sources call 
engineered intimacy. 

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Yes, Epstein wasn't just a pal. 
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actively managing parts of 
Kimball's personal life. 

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And this brings in a third 
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Nikolik. 
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Nikolik was a science advisor 
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really close associate of 
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And the emails show Nikolik and 
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like handlers, to set Kimball up
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The timeline on this is 
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It's right around Kimball's 40th
birthday and there's this e-mail

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chain. 
It's incredible. 

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They're planning a party for him
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But they're not just talking 
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talking about people as if 
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That's the only way to put it. 
Nicola writes to Epstein about 

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bringing a specific woman to 
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Her name's redacted, but the 
message is crystal clear. 

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He tells Epstein please prepare 
the woman and he adds a little 

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winky face emoji. 
Prepare the woman. 

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And what does that even mean? 
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an asset for a mission or 
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Then he adds, she might like 
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So transactional. 
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it to another level of like, 
inhumanity is how they plan to 

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deal with Kimball's X. 
The ambient e-mail I. 

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Had to read it twice, I thought 
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It's so stark. 
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strategizing how to get Kimball 
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He writes that they need to 
distract the X, and then in 

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parentheses he just asks any 
spare Ambien. 

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It's so chilling because it's so
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They're not talking about a 
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She's just an obstacle and the 
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Let's just drug her so we can 
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It shows this completely 
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where people just chest pieces 
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you just you remove it. 
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something, you prepare it. 
So the big question becomes, how

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much did Kimball actually know 
about all this engineering? 

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Well, he definitely knew about 
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his claim about one meeting in 
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Epstein's penthouse on October 
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And the e-mail he sent after 
that lunch, it just it removes 

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any doubt that he knew he was 
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Up. 
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He writes to both of them, to 
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Jeffrey and Boris, Many thanks 
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woman. 
I believe you both played a 

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role. 
Another :) he's thanking them 

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for providing a service. 
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the ambient detail, but he knew 
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He knew they were curating his 
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And that gratitude, it seems, 
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become this this invisible third
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This is wasn't just a setup, it 
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Right. 
The Guardian found that the 

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woman was forwarding Kimball's 
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letters, directly to Epstein. 
It feels like something out of a

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spy movie. 
Kimball is there, you know, 

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pouring his heart out, sending 
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travel plans, thinking he's 
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And on the other end, she's just
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all straight to Jeffrey Epstein.
Who was basically tracking them?

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He knew their itinerary. 
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He was choreographing the whole 
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And Kimmel, he wasn't just some 
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There's a level of comfort 
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he felt like part of the group. 
We have to talk about the 

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Halloween costume idea. 
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Kimball emails them with a joke 
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three of them, him, Epstein and 
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And it wasn't a subtle joke, no.
He suggested they go as the Holy

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Spirit, the Virgin Mary and baby
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You just don't make that kind of
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Once you make that joke with 
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comfortable with, it signals he 
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circle. 
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It signals a feeling of safety, 
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illusion, especially for the 
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eventually this relationship 
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it started to crumble. 
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tries to pull back. 
He sends the downgrade e-mail. 

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He tells her he's stressed and 
exhausted and wants to go back 

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to just dating. 
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sounds like pretty standard 
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But her reaction confirms 
everything about the power 

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dynamic. 
She doesn't call a friend. 

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She forwards Kimball's e-mail to
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She's panicked, worried that 
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something. 
And Epstein's reply? 

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I think this might be the single
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investigation. 
The good news? 

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E-mail, Yeah. 
You read back to her. 

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OK, good news. 
Now I have you back again full 

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time. 
Just makes your skin crawl. 

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Good news. 
Her heartbreak is good news to 

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him. 
It implies her time with Kimball

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was just a deployment, an 
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recalled. 
She was an asset, and when the 

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job was over, she went back on 
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And it wasn't just Epstein 
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Another associate, a guy named 
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just lays it out. 
He tells her, and he even has a 

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typo. 
It's a game you're losing. 

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Then he orders her to leave 
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It's a game. 
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mission statement for this whole
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The women, the relationships, 
the power plays, it's all just a

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Everyone else is just part of 
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So you have to ask why? 
Why go to all this trouble? 

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Why is Jeffrey Epstein, A 
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matchmaker for Kimball Musk? 
Access. 

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It's always comes back to 
access. 

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Epstein collected powerful 
people and by 2012 the Musk 

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brothers were rocketing up. 
Getting close to Kimmel was a 

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clear pathway to Elon. 
And Elon does pop up in these 

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files, too. 
It's not all about Kimball. 

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No, there are mentions of Elon 
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things, but there's one e-mail 
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complicates Elon's own attempts 
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The helicopter one. 
Yeah, he asked Obscene about 

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getting a helicopter ride. 
But then he asks what day night 

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will be the wildest party on 
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Wildest party? 
That's a very specific phrase. 

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Now we should be clear, the 
reporting shows that trip never 

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actually happened. 
Logistics got in the way. 

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Correct, the trip didn't happen,
but the intent is what's so 

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telling here. 
He wasn't asking for stock tips.

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He wasn't asking about science 
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He was asking for the wildest 
party on an island that was 

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already notorious. 
It suggests that for both 

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brothers, Epstein was seen as a 
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certain lifestyle. 
Exactly. 

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And you know, to give Kimball 
some context here, he has 

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admitted he was in a really bad 
place at the time. 

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He called it an unhealthy 
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He was just divorced. 
He was drinking, partying a lot.

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He was vulnerable. 
And predators like Epstein, they

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have a sixth sense for 
vulnerability. 

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They absolutely do. 
They find a void and they offer 

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to fill it. 
You're lonely? 

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Here's a curated girlfriend. 
You're bored? 

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Here's the wildest party. 
But, and this is the huge caveat

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that you just can't get around, 
the timeline is absolutely 

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damning. 
This was 20/12/2013. 

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Jeffrey Epstein was not some 
mystery man. 

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Not. 
At all. 

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He was a convicted sex offender.
He'd been convicted back in 

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2008. 
He'd served time, such as it 

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was. 
He was on the registry. 

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It was public record. 
It wasn't some dark secret. 

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So when Kimball or Elon or 
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claims they had no idea, it just
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They knew who they were dealing 
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They made a choice, yeah. 
They decided that the access, 

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the parties, the connections, 
whatever he was offering was 

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worth overlooking the fact that 
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That's the Merrill calculation. 
And that brings us to this idea 

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of the muck. 
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That's from the Colorado Sun 
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The author, Diane Carmen, she 
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how it's just as easy to love a 
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Right. 
But she points out the warning 

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that always came with it. 
Associating with that kind of 

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extreme wealth, it often 
involves wading through a lot of

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muck. 
It's the same word Melinda 

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French Gates used when talking 
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Gates. 
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Epstein, she said. 
She couldn't stand the muck. 

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And these emails? 
This is the muck. 

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It's The Dirty, sticky reality 
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and influence actually work. 
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the consequences for wading into
it all seems surprisingly light.

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That's what the article points 
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The fallout is so asymmetrical. 
Kimball had to step down from 

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the Burning Man board because a 
petition went around, which is, 

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you know, it's an embarrassment.
Yeah, but it's not jail time. 

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No, for the women, the ones who 
were being prepared and told it 

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was all a game, the trauma can 
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For the men, it's APR problem. 
They go to their private 

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islands, they wait for the news 
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They have the money to insulate 
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caused. 
It forces you to really think 

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about what complicity means. 
I think that's the real take 

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away here. 
We tend to think of complicity 

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as, you know, actively helping 
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Sure, like driving the getaway 
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Right, but what these files show
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complicity. 
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normalization. 
Normalization. 

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Explain that. 
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Halloween costumes with a known 
sex offender, if you're taking 

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his dating advice, if you're 
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you are sending a very clear 
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else that his crimes don't 
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You're saying your value to me 
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you've done to others. 
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You are normalizing his presence
in polite society, and that 

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normalization is what gives 
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It's what allows them to keep 
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Epstein thrived because powerful
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friend, not like a pariah. 
And that's why looking at these 

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specific emails, these smiley 
faces and jokes, is so 

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important. 
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it's a blueprint for how that 
shield of respectability gets 

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built. 
One casual e-mail, one lunch 

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meeting, 1 ambient request at a 
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Which is why it's so critical to
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and dig into the primary 
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Don't just read the tweet where 
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Read the e-mail where he's 
sending a :) and asking for a 

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rain check. 
The truth is always in the 

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contradictions. 
And that's where we'll leave it 

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for today. 
It's a dark story, but it's a 

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necessary one if you want to 
understand how power really 

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works behind the curtain. 
Thanks for joining us for this 

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deep dive. 
Take care.