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I'm your host Will Walden of this very important Supreme
Court race in Wisconsin. It's, it's actually something
that I think it's, it's, it's one of those things that may
seem like it's obviously important in the, in the state
of Wisconsin, but I think it could actually be important for
the country as well and, and maybe for the world.
So, so the, you know, so the, the House majority right now is
razor thin. It's really just a few seats.
And if, if, if the Supreme Court is able to redraw the districts,
they will, they will gerrymander the districts and deprive
Wisconsin of two House seats on the Republican side.
Yeah, exactly. The result of that could be that
the House switches to a Democratic House.
Yes, indeed. And then they will try to stop
all of the government reforms that we are we're doing and
we're getting done for you, the American people.
So. So the reforms that that we're
getting done in DC thanks to President Trump and his great
team are, are really profound. Really, the goal is very simple.
It's to restore merit and freedom.
So that's, that's what it comes down to.
So America is the land of, of, of freedom and opportunity.
So we want to, we want to restore into individual
freedoms, freedom of speech, just in general, get the
government off your back. So and and then make sure that
you succeed in in the United States as a function of your
hard work and your talent and nothing else.
So these are these are really noble and important principles.
And, and also, and I'll talk about more about this, you know,
all night, really as much as long as you guys want to hear
about it. But but, but as, as you may
have, as you may have seen with stuff that we've posted on the
doge.gov website and the DOGE handle on the X platform, there
is a tremendous amount of waste and fraud in the federal
government. Like, shocking.
Really. It's it's insane.
Yeah. It's really wild.
So, like, I mean, it was inevitable that at least a few
saw US operatives would be in the audience.
Give my regards to George. Say hi to George for me.
USAUSAUSAUSA. Yep.
I mean, it was inevitable. I was waiting for that one.
So I mean, I mean, yeah. Thank you.
Thanks, guys. Yeah.
I mean, I, I, I mean, isn't it, isn't it shocking how much
violence and hatred is coming from the left?
I mean, isn't this supposed, isn't it supposed to be the, the
party that they claim to be, the party of empathy?
And yet they're burning, they're burning Teslas and shooting up
dealerships and calling for the death of the president and me.
I'm like, guys, you know, this is, this is insane.
Like they're gone psycho. I mean, it's really like, I
totally understand if somebody doesn't want to buy a product.
Yeah, it's up to you. It's free country, you know, but
you don't have to burn it down. OK.
But much that's somebody else's car.
Leave it alone. Thanks, guys.
Yeah, So man, the, the arrangement level on the left is
just like, it's blown my mind, frankly.
I mean, I'm like, what is going on?
It's they've just lost it. Next level.
I'm like, it's like, whoa. And I, I sort of wonder what's,
you know, the, the legacy media is in part to blame for this and
maybe primarily to blame for this because, you know, if, you
know, it's really terrible. It's like if if they keep
calling, you know, they've they've called obviously called
President Trump every name in the book.
You know, there's one article that that called the president
worse than Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin combined.
And like, actually President Trump killed anyone.
In fact, he's very good at stopping wars, not starting
them. So, you know, we're really very
different. Maybe we need to add some more
history lessons back in schools because I don't know if people
understand, you know, what the difference do.
Do they know what Hitler was leading us on?
Did it seems they, they don't. I mean, it's just indicative of
the poor quality of, of education pushed by the national
Department of Education. So, you know, we, that's why we,
we want to restore freedom to the states, to the let the
states decide on the educational agenda and not have something
pushed by a bunch of neo Marxists in DC.
So I mean, it is astounding how much anti American propaganda is
pushed on, on, on kids today in schools.
It's mind blowing. It's like, what the Hell's going
on? You know?
So anyway, but on a poor positive note, we, we, we have
this petition, you know, to sort of against activist judges
because judges should be simply interpreting the law and not
making the law. So in appreciation for the
support of people in, in signing this petition against activist
judges, we just want judges to be judges, you know, which is a
reasonable thing to ask for. And we're obviously, obviously
seeing like some crazy stuff in, in, in DC where, you know, it
seems like the, it's like any, any federal judge can stop any
action by the president, the, you know, the, of the United
States. This is insane.
Like we, we, this, this has got to stop.
It's got to stop it at the federal level and at the state
level. But let me first hand out two $1
million checks in appreciation. OK, So the first check goes to
Nicholas Jacobs. All right.
I should say that the, the reason, you know, the reason for
the checks is that it's, it's really just to get, get
attention. It's, it's like we, we need to
get attention. And, and it's somewhat
inevitably when I do this, these things, the, you know, the, the
sort of, it causes the legacy media to like kind of lose their
minds and, and, and, and then, and then they'll, they'll run it
on every news channel. And I'm like, I, I couldn't pay
them to the, it would cost like 10 times more or, you know,
it's, it's to get the kind of coverage that we get.
So all right, all right, all right.
You can just, I guess take it if you want.
We'll get, we'll get, I think we'll get you a real one too.
So and then the second one, second one is to Katarina
Diesler. Let's see hopefully here.
So well, and you know, like I said, this is just helpful for
getting getting attention. And then like, it's it's kind of
fun to see the legacy media lose their minds over too.
So love you too. So, yeah, so see, Hello.
OK, congratulations. All right, all right,
congratulations. All right.
So we're also going to be announcing, we are announcing
now a, a program, sort of a, a get out the vote program.
That's the web page should be going live.
I think we're around now, which is at the America Pack website
or just go to the America Pack X account.
And the single biggest challenge, I think is actually
just making people aware that there is this very important
election. And there's both the the very
important election for Judge Schimmel as well as the deciding
on, on adding voter ID to the Wisconsin, Wisconsin
Constitution, which is very, very important.
So it's, it's really, it's quite shocking that that I mean, you
can sort of tell where voter fraud is happening, where they
ban ID, you know, like, why would you ban ID?
Like in New York and California, it's like illegal to show ID at
an election. Well, why would, I can't imagine
why that would be the case. So, so 2 really important things
it is, it's really just sure, ensure judicial integrity on
Tuesday and, and then the, the voter ID thing and, you know,
it's April Fool's Day. So and it is, it's, it's like,
like most people aren't, like I said, most people aren't aware
that there is this, this important election, but most
people don't even know that there's an election at all.
And, or if they do, they aren't sure exactly when and where it
is. And they aren't sure yet of
that. They don't realize just how
important it is. They think it's, well, it's
just, you know, some kind of judicial thing that's not that
important. But it actually what they're
doing. What what's happening on Tuesday
is a vote for the, the, which party controls the US House of
Representatives. That is why it is so, so
significant. And whichever party controls the
House, you know, it it it to a significant degree controls the
country, which then steers the course of Western civilization.
So it's like, I, I feel like this is one of those things that
that may not seem that it's going to affect the entire
destiny of humanity, but I think it will.
Yeah. So it's it's a super, it's a
super big deal. And, and the, the fact that I'm
here in person, like I'm not phoning it in, I'm here in
person. I'm and they're, yeah, so, and
there, there were quite a few death threats.
I have to tell you, I was like, my security team said it.
Well, it's, it's actually gone down from yesterday to today,
went down from 18,000 to 17,000. So I'm like, maybe it's getting
better, you know, but you can see like how crazy some of these
people are. You know, look, look at the,
the, the two sort of people that try to assassinate President
Trump, You know, I mean, I was and what, you know, they both
almost succeeded. So it's, it's, it's real.
Like it's not like some imaginary thing.
So anyway, So what what we're announcing is, is kind of like
a, a block captain program where somebody can sign up to knock on
doors in their zip code and encourage people to to, well,
make people aware that there is a vote and then aware of how
important the vote is. So you can sign up to be a kind
of a block captain for your zip code on the America Pack website
right now. Yeah.
And if you do, it's, it's like basically 20 bucks for just
taking a photo with somebody. It's pretty straightforward.
Just knock on doors in your neighborhood and, and, and give
them either a digital or a paper, you know, picture of, you
know, Justice Brad Schimmel. It, it can be an approximation.
It doesn't have to be exact, but, and, and they just have to
say thumbs up and hold a picture of, of Judge Schimmel and that's
it. And you get $20 sounds.
It's pretty easy. It's easy money.
So, but the, the whole point of it is just to make people aware
of the election and, and say that there is an election, it's
on Tuesday and it's super important, please vote.
But I think without something like this, we're, we actually
are in serious danger of losing the election.
This is very important to put to put in mind if you if you look
at the betting market odds. So if you look at sort of the
Polymark out of Cal St. like the betting markets, it varies
between 85% and 90% probability of loss for Justice Schimmel.
That's the current situation. So we got to, we got to pull a
rabbit out of the hat. Next level it's we actually got
to have a steady stream of rabbits out of the hat like it's
an arc of rabbits flying through the air and and landing in a in
a voting booth. Interesting picture Garat could
probably make that picture. So that's that's basically
what's needed is, is is we need to generate an anomaly in the
matrix and because I think there's currently there there
the dams are 100,000 votes ahead.
But if actually if, just if the people that voted for President
Trump simply vote on Tuesday, we will win.
That's actually all it takes. Just vote.
Boom, done, victory. So.
So we're basically to to dragnet the state.
It's like everybody's going to mobilize everywhere like crazy
for the next 48 hours. And I, I think this will be
important for the future of civilization.
It's that significant. So you don't hear me saying that
very often. It's, it's a big deal.
So vote for Judge Supercharge Schimmel, I call them
Supercharge Schimmel. So let's see.
So with that, I think we can do some do Q&A if you guys would
like to do some Q&A and I'm happy to answer any questions.
It could be, you know about those or whatever you'd like to
hear about. Because I think if you ask
questions that the public would be interested in hearing, then
you know, those, those snippets will go all over the place and
it will be helpful to the, the public, you know, at, at large
and maybe even beyond, beyond our country.
So let's see yeah, go ahead. We can just start over there.
As AI gets continues to get smarter, won't it inevitably see
through its creators propaganda? Yes.
The question is as AI gets smarter, will it see through its
creators propaganda? I I hope so.
I think you can sort of think of an AI as it is somewhat nurtured
by its creator. So you have to say what, what is
the operating principle? What, what is, what is the, what
is the North Star of the AI? You know, if it's somewhat
corporate AI, it could be like it's just trying to make
corporations happy. Or it could be, you know, if
it's particularly some of the AIS that that are trained in,
like the city of San Francisco, it's going to have kind of a San
Francisco bias to it. Because you can think of like
smart people as well as like, you know, there are big
differences in, in sort of beliefs among smart people.
And so you can expect that there will be big differences in
beliefs among AI as well. With Grok, our aspiration is a
maximally truth seeking AI, which is like, you always want
to try to get as close to the truth as possible, even if the
truth is unpopular. And that's that's our goal,
which I think is a very important goal.
Hey, nice shirt. Thank you.
First of all, Path of Exile for life.
But more importantly, as we see the the whole world has turned
to a fear based mobilization effort and we've seen that
translate into violence and and the right's not immune to it
because it can hit psychology. How do we beat that with
optimism? Because that's going to be
crucial to avoid mass eruption of conflict.
Yeah. I mean, did this seem to be?
You're right that the, the, the right is not immune from sort of
hate and violence. It's not like nothing, but it,
it does seem weirdly heavily weighted towards the left.
I mean, like I haven't seen anyone tearing off like a, a
Biden Harris hat. Like we're just like, you feel a
bit sorry for them, Like, oh, maybe they're wrong there, you
know, but, but, but you see people tearing off mega hats and
somebody just, you know, I saw a video just as just just today
where somebody was just on an escalator, woman was on an
escalator wearing a MAGA hat and someone gone in the other
direction tore the hat off her head.
I'm like, what? That's, that's rude, you know?
So in fact, I sort of find myself in a strange position
because I, I didn't think of myself as right.
I thought myself as centrist, but then the left went all the
other way in other direction and now everyone's a Nazi, you know,
boy, you know it. And I'm like, wait a second, do
you know what that means? Obviously not so.
But yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I believe in peaceful
discourse and that, you know, we make arguments, verbal arguments
and and the people decide which way they want to go.
But we, you know, we don't engage in sort of shouting
people down or, or violence or burning things or shooting
things. That's what that's how democracy
is supposed to work. There's peaceful discourse.
Yeah. My question is about US aid.
Has the Doge team found any evidence that any of the radical
left Democrats like Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, Chuck
Schumer have received money directly from USAID?
And if so, will we be hearing about that evidence anytime
soon? Yeah.
So the, the, there is a massive amount of corruption, but but
it, it is circuitous. So what happens is there's money
that obviously it's your taxpayer money that that is then
sent to various government organizations who then send it
to, to NGOs, which, which an NGO is a non governmental
organization. But obviously if it's a
government funded non governmental organization, it's
just an organization, it's just a government.
And effectively there's a giant fraud loophole, which is that
the the government can send money to an NGO that has been no
longer governed by the law of laws of the United States.
So they'll they'll send the money overseas to one NGO, Then
they'll go through a bunch of a bunch of them.
And then I'm highly confident that a bunch of that money then
comes back to the United States and lands in the pockets of the
people you just mentioned. But it is a circuitous route.
It's not like it, it doesn't go directly, but let's just say
that this a lot of strangely wealthy members of Congress
where I'm, I just can't, I, I'm trying to connect the dots of
how do they become rich while earning?
How do they get 20 million if they're earning 200,000 a year?
It sounds that's how do nobody can explain that.
So, so, so something's, yeah, we, we, we're going to try to
figure it out and, and, and, and certainly stop it from
happening. So, yeah, I mean, just in
general, this, this the, the whole NGO scam is, is just
crazy. And yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's
blown my mind really. So yeah, most of us here are
aware of social media censorship, and I know you're
keenly aware of it. Thank you for turning around X.
Awesome. Welcome.
As censorship picks up in financial institutions, what can
we do about that? Are you referring to offering
financial services by X? No, Sorry.
Being kicked off of financial. Oh, yeah.
For beliefs. Yeah.
Yeah, well, certainly that that won't happen during the the
Trump administration. Hopefully that can be enshrined
in law, which is part of the reason why we need a Republican
Congress. So you didn't see any
Republicans kicking Democrats out of and de banking Democrats,
but there were a lot of Republicans that were debanked
thousands, which is really outrageous.
So, so I said it does seem kind of one sided, you know, this
like trying to ruin people's lives and financially and and
violent protests overwhelmingly is coming from the left these
days, you know, it's like, and whereas the right is polite, you
know, and fair as far as I can tell.
So yeah, go ahead. Thank you for being here.
Your comment kind of about the Matrix is kind of ironic because
my husband and I watched first the the first Matrix and the
sequel yesterday. My question is, when so much of
social media nowadays, you know, whether it be X or YouTube or
whatever, is kind of curated to like your purse, a person's
particular beliefs or even where we have protesters that show up
to town halls or or potentially are paid.
How do you does America kind of come together?
And it used to be where you could have a conversation and
have discourse like you discussed and still be friends
even if you disagreed with kind of some of their statements.
When you talk about knocking on doors, like to different peoples
house, like one kind of fear that I have is like, even if you
talk to somebody, everybody has their own sets of beliefs and
their own truths. So I guess how do you get
through that? Yeah, well, I think what we saw
there for quite a while was that all of the legacy media and all
of the new social media were in lockstep together and they were
all parroting the same left wing talking points.
And they were suppressing any dissent and any, any so-called
right wing or frankly even centrist views.
And with that, that's why I thought it was it was critical
to acquire Twitter now X in order to enable that dialogue.
So it's it's it's only a step in the right direction.
And I think you've seen now once X was willing to to break ranks
and not censor Republicans, then you you saw others also started
moving that direction. You know, it, it looks like, for
example, Facebook. And it will matter, you know.
Yeah. Is they they if certainly Mark
Zuckerberg has stated that they will be doing a sort of
community notes based on the community notes of the X
platform and and and as opposed to having sort of far left
censorship Bureau that's sort of, you know, the work star see
essentially reviewing things. So that's a step in the right
direction. You know, there's there's some
maybe some hope for the CNNS of the world.
There's like with with with with Scott being on there.
He's great. You know, he's like, I mean, I'm
sort of hopeful that things that are, are moving in in the
direction where different points of view are espoused on or, or,
you know, heard on legacy media and, and social media.
So I'm, I guess maybe I'm actually a little bit optimistic
about the future. And, you know, on the X
platform, you know, we don't prioritize and, you know, one
side or the other, we try to be as fair as possible.
And I will reply to, you know, prominent Democrats, even if
they sort of say terrible things about me.
So, you know, it's like, yeah, we should have this discourse.
And so I, I kind of think at least on the media front, things
are going a good direction. But on the but I but I am kind
of perturbed by the sort of how aggressive these protests are.
You know, where it's it's like, you know, there are people at
these protests calling for the death of the president and death
of me and I don't know, probably death of others.
You know, that that's not, that's the kind of thing that's
not not cool. You know, at the risk of saying
something outrageous, calling for murder is not cool.
Yeah. So can't believe.
Thanks for coming, Elon. I'm a teacher by trade.
I have gone through the four year bachelor's degree to teach
the nation's youth going forward on that.
Yeah. Actually, I'm kind of curious.
What? What what was that like?
Like, Yeah, I got an English degree, man.
At the end of the day, unless you want to hire me, that's
about, you know, that's sure. So during teacher college, they
give us a heat map and it says these are the cost per head on
each student. The South, southeast is
generally the worst, but they're also generally the lowest spent
per capita on each student beyond just that correlation of
the one text I got in an education class.
I wonder with your investments in Khan Academy, with the
advancement of AI educational tools, where specifically you
can get feedback and these students can get feedback.
Yeah, absolutely. Where do we see 100 years from
now with all. Oh, man, 100 years from now?
How about 50? I hope we last 100 years.
I'll be like jackpot, you know? Yeah, exactly.
Hopefully we hopefully we were like on Mars, you know, so that
would be really cool. So I do think AI can be
incredibly helpful in teaching because you can, you can
essentially set up each kid with like a personalized AI and that
that AI can then answer questions for each kid.
And that actually can be very profound in learning because
obviously if you've got a classroom of say 2530 kids,
it's, you can't like spend, it's literally impossible to spend
time with every kid individually.
Or at least you can spend a little bit of time, but not
obviously it's, it's a one to 21 to 30 ratio.
So, but I, but what you can do is, is you can set them up with
the AI and then you can, you know, if things get stuck or, or
whatever, if, if, if you want to, you can, you can essentially
guide the orchestra that way. And I think it could be a very
powerful learning tool. You know, I, I personally
enjoyed my English classes in high school.
Actually, you know, they, sometimes I wondered, why am I
reading Charles Dickens? But, you know, there's some
merit to reading Dickens and, and, and many of the, I actually
think that we should have a, a great Canon of, of English
literature that, that, that kids do at least, you know, some
number of the significant works of in the English language.
So. I mean this, yeah, it seems like
very obvious to me, but yeah. And, and another thing with
regard to teaching is that I think teaching is a very
important profession. If you look at the expenditures,
there's a very big rise in the number of administrators, but
but not a very big rise in the number of teachers.
And so that's, that's really the big factor, which is we, we
should have more actual teachers, you know, and, and I,
I believe in paying teachers well and, and having a lot of, a
lot of teachers, but we should say, why do we have so many
administrators or, or non teachers?
So administrative expense has gone ballistic, but teaching
expenses is more or less flat. Doesn't make sense.
So first, I would like to apologize to you on behalf of
America for the idiots you have to deal with, for what you're
doing, for us to improve our country.
Second of all, my question is, what is your opinion on the
Federal Reserve and do you have any intentions of doing anything
with them and the Fed? Yeah, I don't know.
I always wanted to say that, you know, but but I mean, I think
that's like 20,000 people that work at the Fed.
Seems pretty high. It's like there's a lot of
people who work with the Fed on us things like why do we have so
many people at this at the Fed and what do they do?
And you know, sometimes I wonder which one would win, you know,
the federal for interest rates the the federal, the board of
the Federal Reserve or a magic 8 ball.
And I'm like, I think the Magic 8 ball might win, you know, So
then I'm like, well, Magic 8 ball is a lot cheaper.
So, you know, it's like you shake it, it says check back
again later. I'm like, OK, same thing.
But, but I think we, we, we, we, we, what really matters is that
the government spending it is, is not far in excess of
government revenue. That's a fundamental issue that
we have where the, we have a, a deficit of $2 trillion and we
have interest payments that now exceed the entire budget of the
military. In fact, that that was a big
wake up call for me was when the, the amount of money that
we're paying national debt interest exceeded the Defense
Department budget. I'm like, Defense Department
budget is very big and interest is higher than that and, and,
and climbing. That's a disaster, you know, so
the, the very simple, straightforward goal of, of the
doge team is to get rid of waste and forward.
It's it's mostly waste. It's, it's or depending on how
you know, I'd say it's probably 80% waste, 20% forward,
something like that. But it's a trillion dollars.
So that's still a lot. And it's, it's, you know, it's
got a, you know, it's got to be we, we got the, the another
Soros sleeper agent there. USAUSAUSAUSA So I mean to be to
be clear, the the the very simple thing we're doing and we
we post everything publicly on the doge website, which is it's
just to look at every expense and say, is this actually a good
use of your taxpayer dollars? That's it It's not it's not
super complicated and and and the thing that's that's pretty
wild. This is why I like, I say like,
you know, I used to be a Democrat like, and so like, and
if you listen to the, the speeches of Clinton and Gore in,
in the 90s when they, they were going on about reducing waste
and fraud, it literally you wouldn't be able to tell the
difference if like who said it, Doge or Clinton Gore, you can't
even tell the difference sounds exactly the same.
It's wild. So we're, we're, we're really
just trying to restore common sense to government and say
like, let's not waste your money and let's make sure it's spent
well and, and that's it. And in, in trying to save a
trillion dollars of expenditures, what we're saying
is of the 7 trillion in, in government spending, let's try
to see, let's see if we can make it 15%, one 5% more efficient.
And I'm confident that we can. That's actually not a huge bar,
by the way. So, and, and when you see the
when you see the crazy things that the government is spending
money on, you can see a list of some of them.
You know, it's like, I don't know if we should be spending
money on transgender comic books in Peru.
That doesn't seem like an ideal thing to spend your money on.
You know, why would we do that? If if somebody in Peru wants to
do that of their own accord, that's fine, but it shouldn't be
your money that does it. So it's it just, and you know,
we shouldn't be paying rent on empty buildings.
And you know, if, if, if people, if I do think there is a role
for government, but, but we just need to make, we're just going
to, we're just going through and saying and, and doing what I
would call like an, an external and, and, and necessary and
reasonably trusted review of, of organizations and, and
personnel. So is this, is this person doing
a good job? Great.
Is the role necessary? If so, that's good.
And are they reasonably trusted, meaning they're not a psycho,
Like we're not talking about like political affiliation, just
that they're not crazy. So you know what's wrong with
that? I'm like, sounds super normal to
me. So that's it.
Now, in this process, one of the things that we've discovered,
which is I think on the fraud side, which is a really big
deal, is that the Democrat administration, the Biden
administration has basically taken every arm of the of the US
government and bent it towards creating a financial incentive
for illegal immigrants to come to the United States.
Now this is every part of the government, so like Social
Security, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, disability, even the
IRS. So you, you can like fill out a
fake tax return and say you, you need a tax, a tax.
Maybe I shouldn't tell people this, but it'll actually work.
I mean, mostly there's some chance you'll get caught, but
you can actually fill out a fake tax return.
You can, you can just get a tax refund even though if you didn't
pay taxes. So we're trying to stop all
these things, say like, OK, well, let's stop the waiting for
it. And, and we also need to turn
off the massive financial incentive for illegals to come
to the United States and, and stay in the United States.
And this is really the thing that is causing the Democrats to
lose their mind, you know, because they're, they're
actually spending at this point 10s of billions to attract and
retain illegals in the United States.
It's, it's really on that scale. It's a gigantic number.
And the goal is, is to turn all the swing states blue.
That means Wisconsin. So that's the goal.
So with the asylum program, if, if they can get a green card
within a year and then they can get citizenship, you know, as as
quickly as four years after getting a green card, because
the first year of of being asylum, being asylum counts for
the for the five year citizenship waiting period.
So this is this is a very big deal.
So a number of friends of mine have actually joined the
government and in order to help with this process, and I'd like
to welcome my friend Antonio Gracias to the to the stage.
I think. So.
Does it work? I can give you mine.
Does it work? It'll be OK.
I mean, Buzz Aldrin's still alive and he's he went past the
belts. Is this working?
Yeah, there we go. So, Antonio, can you tell us
what what you Antonio is helping out with the Social Security?
So just trying to review Social Security where you may have
heard that we found 20 million dead people mocked as alive in
the Social Security database. This is too so crazy.
And then you'll notice there's a strange trend here where how
many Social Security numbers were issued?
It it's do you want to? Yeah.
So let me, let me tell you what happened here.
We we started at the top of the system.
We. Want to talk about a lot of.
We started at the top of the system, mapping the whole system
of Social Security to understand where all the fraud was.
And there's a lot of great people there that showed us
really a lot of waste. And so that came up with a big
list of stuff they're working on.
You've heard from that already, but this is what jumped out at
us when we saw these numbers. We're like, what is this?
In 21? You see 270,000 people goes all
the way to 2.1 million and 24. These are non citizens that are
getting Social Security numbers. Yeah, this, this is a mind
blowing charge. Yeah, just this this literally
blew us away. Like, we went there to find
fraud and we found this by accident.
And this isn't political, by the way.
My parents, immigrants. Yeah, this country's been great
to us. My brothers and sister, all born
in Spain. I'm pro legal immigration.
This is not, this is not political.
This is not political. This is about America and the
future of America. And there are a lot of good
people in the system that pointed this in this direction.
I want to I want to honor them right now that work in the
government today who took risks to show us these numbers and
tell us what's going on. I want to stop for a minute.
I want to tell, I want to honor those people today.
Very good people, very good people.
I have been from DC to Social Security offices to the border
to track this down and very good people have helped us along the
way. I want to thank them.
Yeah. This number, what this is, is
when you come in the country, if you're an illegal, there's a
couple ways to come in. You come in through a port of
entry and you can tell them you're afraid and you'll get it.
They'll give you an asylum, asylum case.
You get an interview, then you get in.
That's one way to do it. Another way to do it is to just
go to the border. Literally this happened.
I talked to Border Patrol myself.
Elon was there too. I went to Laredo and I went to
Bronzeville. Elon went to Eagle Pass.
You walk up to work with officer and you tell them you want to
come in. They have a couple of choices.
They could charge you with a misdemeanor or a felony under
1325, or they can make an administrative offense like a
parking ticket. Basically they were told to do
that, make an administrative offense on the last
administration and you could walk across the border.
They do what's called a released in your own recognizance and
they give you an MTA notice to appear, which appear to judge.
The wait times on judges are like average six years.
Look at Carac, you'll see it on immigration judges.
There's only 700 of them. This is 5.5 million people.
OK, So what happens then? Once you're in the country and
you got asylum through one of these pathways, we map the whole
thing out. You can apply for a work
document. You file a 765.
It's the work form. You get this form called the
766, that's the authorization, and then Social Security
Administration automatically send you in the mail, your
social street number, no interview, no ID.
This is worth like just reiterating it.
It it's not that it's not. People sometimes think that
under the Biden administration that that he was simply asleep
with the switch. He wasn't asleep.
They weren't asleep at the switch.
It it it was a massive large scale program to import as many
illegals as possible, ultimately to change the entire voting map
of the United States and disenfranchise the American
people and make it a permanent deep blue one party state from
which there would be no escape. Look, if I hadn't seen this
myself, I'm not sure I believed it.
I went through it myself and mapped it.
And he was right. This is true.
The defaults in the system from Social Security to all of the
benefit programs have been set to Max inclusion, Max pay for
these people, and minimum collection.
That's what's happening. We found 1.3 million of them
already on Medicaid, as an example.
We've gone through on every benefit program we went through.
We found groups from this particular group of people, this
5.5 million people in those benefit programs.
And then what was really, really disturbing us was why we're
asking ourselves why. And so we actually just took a
sample and looked at voter registration records and we
found people here registered to vote in this population.
Yes. And who did vote?
And and we found some by sampling that actually did vote.
And we have referred them to prosecution at the Homeland
Security Investigation Service already.
Already. That has already happened right
now. Yeah.
And the truly disturbing thing, though, I just want you to know
this a truly disturbing thing to me and the darkest thing about
this to me, the voter fraud is terrible.
But the human tragedy that's created is extraordinary because
what you don't understand, people don't know.
And Americans need to know. That's why I'm here.
Is it human traffickers made 13 to $15 billion off of this?
OK, That's the money that's going around the world, moving
people around the world to our borders because of these
incentives. How does it work?
What happens, hey, if you're in Africa and you're in South
America, you got to walk up through Mexico and through this
America. Who do you pay?
You pay the narcos, you pay the traffickers, right?
And we found, we were told by ICE, it's between 20,000 and 500
bucks. Depends.
They pick you up to walk across all those countries and get all
the way up to the border. Where's that money goes?
It goes to the cartels. It goes to human traffickers,
right? There are 30,000 children that
have not appeared on the notice to appear already.
ICE knows this. 30,000 children, 270,000 children didn't even get
notices to appear. ICE told us.
The kids are being trafficked back and forth across the border
to complete families to make this easier.
This is a human tragedy. It's not just the money, it's
the people and the kids. Now, how many these people died
on the way up here that didn't make it in?
What happened to them? We created a system here that
created a descendant for people to come and be taken advantage
of by these traffickers. And how do you think it paid?
What you're in Africa since America, You got $20,000 or
$10,000 or $5000 to pay these traffickers.
No, you don't. What happens?
You come in, then you owe them the money.
You're indentured servant. If you don't pay them, what
happens? What do they do?
They kill your mother. They kill your brother, they
kill your family. What happens next?
That's what we discovered. And I have to tell you, it was,
it's tragic to me. The tragedy, the human tragedy
this created is extraordinary. That's the real problem.
This is America. We don't do this here in
America. We don't do this here in
America. People come here legally, and
that's great. Elon came here legally.
My parents came here legally. That's the way to do it.
This is this is outrageous. Yeah, it's, it's it's pretty
wild. I mean, you can see because
there's still actually a lot of people out there, especially in
the sort of center third of the country that that somehow think
this is made-up by the right or it's it's like some fiction.
It's not that it's somehow not true, but it is, it isn't is
absolutely true. And you can see that if, if you,
if you like, you know, look at things like the state of New
York, which tried to make it legal for, for, for illegal
immigrants to vote in the state of New York.
That was only shot down by the New York Supreme Court a few
weeks ago. And, and California has made it
healthcare available to all illegals in the state.
And they initially claimed that it would only cost 3 billion.
It's now 9 billion and climbing. So it's, it's really, if you
create a massive financial incentive for people to come to
the United States illegally, then that's what they will do.
It's it's a very sort of stranger if we ought if that
didn't happen. So the the really the thing that
is actually has the Democrats losing their mind.
By far the real reason for these attacks and, and sort of the
burning of the cars and everything is that we're going
to turn off the payments to illegals
because. Yeah, I mean, because that's not
the deal. You know, this, it's, you know,
it's not, it's, it's not, it's simply not right.
And you know, if you look at that thing with the Roosevelt
Hotel and like, you know, the luxury hotels in New York where
the Federal Emergency Management Agency funds were being used to,
to house illegals in luxury hotels in New York that the
average American can't afford. And they were giving a welcome
package and $10,000 debit cards and everything else.
Like it's, it's super real. I mean, it's, it's like it's,
it's, it's in my, I think it's the, the, the biggest voter
fraud thing in history by far. And, and more of a if, if left
unchecked, it would have succeeded.
As Antonio mentioned, the, the time frame for going from asylum
to citizen is roughly five years.
And so all of the people that came in on that chart that you
saw, if, if the, if the machine behind the Kamala puppet had
won, then you know, they change out the puppet, but it's the
same machine, then they would have actually legalized all
those people and there would be no swing states.
And we added more. Remember it was doubling every
year. Yes, it went from 1,000,000.
It was going ballistic. Going ballistic and it is, it is
just these people are just entering the, the, the benefit
programs now, by the way, we're seeing the ramp happen too.
And these are just the ones that are in the system.
This doesn't count the other, you know, seven and a half, 8
million that ICE thinks are out there.
We don't know if they have numbers.
The number is totally uncontrolled.
The voter ID requirement in the state is super important because
of this. Yes, because the Social Security
number, it's not supposed to be a federal ID number, but
basically is. That's how you access all the
benefits. This is why we need voter ID
because this thing is not secure.
You could walk into a Social Security house today, today is
an adult America and get a Social Security number
enumerated with simply a answering six or seven simple
questions and showing some some forms of ID that are not federal
ID. Well, you can just actually make
it up. Basically you can show basically
like like a fake utility bill or you know.
A medical bill and a school ID. Yeah, medical bill and a school
ID and you can get a Social Security number and then from
there you get on the border rolls and then the basically Dem
operatives will form the vote. So you know, the problem with
this obviously, is that if you turn the swing states blue, then
there are no swing States. And then we're in a permanent
one, one party system. And as soon as they win that,
they'll have the House, the Senate, the presidency, they'll
pack the Supreme Court. Then they'll they'll double down
on, on the illegals, just like California.
So we're like, we've already seen this happen in California.
California supermajority Dem. So, but at least California is
held back by the fact that people can move out of state.
Once you can no longer leave America, they will be they'll be
far worse than California. So the gravity of the situation
is severe. Help us clean up Wisconsin
border wall. Yes, absolutely.
So, I mean, it's it's really simple stuff.
Just, you know, having you know, photo ID to vote is like you
can't like buy something at the liquor store.
But voting is a lot is more important than, you know, buying
a beer so you're. Going to need a real ID.
You got an airplane. Yeah, you can't play anywhere.
Yeah. And and like the same people who
said who are saying that there should be no voter ID at at
voting stations, demanded vaccine ID from everyone.
I'm like, that's weird, you know, So, so it's really about
just restoring integrity to the voting system, which really
should not be a right or left course, but a course for all is
do we, do we not all want integrity in the voting system?
Of course we do, yes. Of course, yes.
So, so, so well, you're welcome to hang out and see.
Maybe there's some questions for you.
Let's see. We'll we'll go.
Hi, Elon. I also, I am a teacher.
I was a teacher in Colorado for eight years, high school
Spanish, But I moved, I moved here last year and got to vote
in Wisconsin where my vote actually mattered.
And I'm so glad. That was amazing that we got
Trump elected and I was listening to, I believe it was
Patrick Bet David, he called this perfectly where he said
when Elon or when, when Trump gets elected, he's going to go
from enemy number one to Elon's going to be number #1 and for
the reason I mean, he only has a couple years left.
And we've all seen the, the left go after you and make you #1
enemy and just walking in here, we heard Nazis suck.
There's all this horrible thing. And just on a, on a serious
note, I just want to let you know my wife and I pray for you
at night. Thank you for your safety.
And guys, thank you. I I got to, I got to wash my
hand gestures these days, you know, but I think this one's
safe, you know, You know, it's like can't wave to the crowd is
going to know what will happen. And I've been a fan of yours for
like a decade and I've been a walking Tesla ad to anybody who
talks to me, even though I never had a Tesla until I came to
Wisconsin too. And it's 10 years old, but it's
the best Model S I've ever had. Thank you, It's incredible.
Thank you. But I, I just wanted to take to
ask you if it would be OK. I brought my dad with me.
He's a pastor. And I just thought if it's OK
with you, I would love for him to say a prayer for you as well
for your protection. Thank you, Elon.
Well, thank you so much for everything you've done for our
country. We, we do love you very much.
Thank you and, and as a pastor, but just as a person, right.
And even if I wasn't a Christian, and I know not
everyone here is a Christian, but I think there's quite a few
of you here and who, who are either way, we, we love all, all
people. It's that's not the issue.
The issue is, is fairness. What you're talking about the
issue being just and the justice being a weapon instead of law
fair instead of actually a just and, and all this corruption
you're talking about. And that's a bad spirit, if you
want to say it that way, putting it nicely.
It's it's something evil that has come against our country,
our morals, our families, etcetera.
And then you and the president and others getting attacked with
this outrage and this hate. So if you would allow me to
pray, you'd all who want to please join me, bow our heads
and pray. Gracious Heavenly Father, we are
thankful for our country. We are thankful that God does
bless America and that God is the source of all goodness, love
and provision. And that you, Lord God, have
provided a great nation with a great history.
And although we've gone through many rough times, you're still
very present and active with. Us Thank you for protecting.
President Trump, from that fatal attack, and we ask that you
envelope and protect all of those who are fighting for
justice, for freedom, for order, for dignity, and to reward
people according to merit. And especially put your hedge of
protection around Elon Musk, around his children, around his
whole entire family and all of his team members.
That all would do good and just by our country and freedom truly
and justice would reign. Once again, we ask.
This in the name of the blessed Savior Jesus Christ, who we
remember during this time of year, who suffered and died for
our sins. May you wash away.
All that is wrong with our country and start with us.
We ask this in Jesus name, Amen. Amen.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Good to you.
You can hang out if you want. Well, that was that was
beautiful. That was so beautiful.
So I think we're going to need divine protection, frankly.
Hey Elon, I'd like to start off by thanking you for all that
you've done for our country in the world as a greater whole.
And I mean that from the bottom of my heart as well.
I had a question for you as you go about your decision making at
Doge. How are you able to keep your
moral North star and not set precedents when it comes to
overstepping democratic processes Simply because the end
justifies the means and have outcomes similar to the last
election with Democratic presidential candidate being
appointed without due process that just further polarizes the
country. Also on a side note, one more
thing, do you see a place in the long term for decentralized
technology and society and government?
Yeah, I mean, to answer the second question first, I think
generally it's good to have decentralized systems because
the more centralized something is, the more the more power that
is in anyone single entity, the more corruption you're likely to
have. So decentralization I think is
good to minimize corruption. Then with respect to doge, I
mean, as I said, it's it's it's we're trying to be as literal as
possible. It just, it's department of
Government efficiency. And it's just literally going
through and saying, OK, this money was spent.
Is it money that most Americans would agree is sensible or is it
not? And you know, if it doesn't seem
sensible, then we, you know, say, well, we shouldn't spend
that money anymore, which, and we should, we should stop it.
So, and then we post the, the we try to be as transparent as
possible. So all the doge actions are
posted on the doge.gov website and on the doge handle on X.
So if people disagree with something, they, we can say,
well, which, which part do you disagree with?
And when, when I get these sort of attacks of like, oh, it's
unconstitutional. I mean, like, well, which
expenditure is unconstitutional that we have stopped because and
then they can, they don't know actually, because they don't,
they haven't actually looked at anything.
So now obviously a lot of this can be reversed with a new
administration, but at least for some period of time, we're going
to make sure that your taxpayer money is spent at least 15%
better. It's, it's, it's, it's not like
a, you know, I think it's a reasonable goal.
It's a rational goal. It's a sensible goal and and the
the net result, I should say, if, if, if we have the
combination of a trillion dollar increase in the, an economic
output and a trillion dollar decrease in the, in the budget
deficit, then the outcome should be that there is no inflation or
very little inflation from one year to the next.
So at the end of next year, you could, the prices will be at the
grocery store will be very similar to what they are right
now, which means that, you know, standard of living will, will,
will actually probably be higher, a little bit higher.
Whereas we've had rampant inflation to date, which
inflation is really just a pernicious tax that has been
used by governments throughout history.
It's very tempting for governments to use inflation as
a as a tax because it's indirect.
People see the prices rising at the grocery store or, you know,
for goods and services or for houses.
And they, they tend to like blame the store, but it's, it's
not the store, it's the government.
The government has reduced the value of money and as a result,
prices rise. So by, you know, changing by, by
reducing waste and forward, we'll essentially make the
economy more efficient and we'll shift people resources from the
government to the private sector.
And that will result in an increase in the output of goods
and services. And, and so the, the average
standard of living will therefore rise.
So like they're trying to make economics sound very
complicated, but it's, it's really not that complicated.
Standard, the standard of living increases when the, the, when
the output of goods, average output of goods and services
increases per person. There's basically more stuff.
Therefore you have more stuff to divide across the people.
That's it. And you can, you can run this
sort of thought experiment and say, like if it was 100 people
on an island and you'd say, well, how many people do you
want farming, fishing, making stuff, you know, versus, you
know, doing regulations. You would say like you wouldn't
want like 20 people doing regulations.
You know, it'd be like, that's too many.
Well then maybe you'd want one or two, I don't know.
Maybe none, ideally 0. I'm, I'm all for a small
government, by the way. I'm, I think really.
Yeah. You know, when the United States
was, when the United States was formed, there were only, you
know, you had the Secretary of State, Secretary of War, which I
think is a more accurate name than Defence.
And, you know, but it was secretary of War for a long
time. And you had secretary of the
Treasury and you had the attorney general.
That was it. And if we're entirely up to me,
I'd be like, let's, let's make it like that again.
Yeah. Hi, gentlemen.
I've got a quick question regarding government and
transparency. Do you think Dogecoin may ever
be used or the Dogecoin blockchain to be used for
maximum transparency? Well, the names are similar, but
they're doing 2 very different things.
So in fact, I was going to call it like the Government
Efficiency Commission, but that's a super boring name.
And then the Internet said no, it needs to be called the
Department of Government Efficiency.
It was like, well, Internet, that's the Arnet is right.
So, so we changed the name from Government Efficiency Commission
to Department of Government Efficiency, but there are no
plans for the government to use Dogecoin or, or anything as far
as I know. So that they, they happen to be
similar names. But, but really it's just, we're
just literally trying to make the government 15% more
efficient. It's kind of like, like most of
the work that's that's being done is, it's kind of like
homework. It's not like it's, it's just,
it's just work. You know, it frankly, it's like
washing the dishes. It's not like, you know, it's,
it's a lot of, it's not super fun work.
It's just, you know, going through and looking at every
expense and saying why, you know, why is this department
have like 10 times more software licenses than people?
That doesn't make sense. You know what, why, why is this?
Why is the government spending $10 million a year on Politico
subscriptions? That doesn't make sense.
You know, like there's just one thing after another like that.
It's like think things that are just kind of kind of boring.
So it's, it's like a ton of boring stuff like you do hear
about like the, the, the sort of weird stuff that makes the
headlines, but most of it, most of the costs that are being cut
are just very basic boring things.
It's it's a, it's a, it's a, it's like homework at scale is
what I'd call, you know, the department of government
efficiency. Can I can?
I add some of this question about transparency.
I'm really selling it here, yeah.
Yeah. No, no, no.
I, I, I would say the principles that you want to set out for
doge are they begin with truth. Truth, Find the truth #1 find
the truth. Why?
Because the government, government's gotten so big that
actually the people don't even know what's there.
They don't know the source of truth.
So these licenses, it's like people bought these licenses
because they're bad people and they wanted to pay Microsoft.
They just kept buying licenses. Could Microsoft keeps telling
them, I mean, it's just it's that strange and.
We don't want to pick on Microsoft.
It's like every every software company by.
The way any software company picks my company X, they, they
didn't, they bought these licenses because they just
thought they should buy more licenses, more people coming in
and there's no one there. People are coming back to the
office, right? They, it's just finding truth.
The number one principle is truth.
And then transparency is number 2, I think on the list, right?
So find the truth, make it public, make it transparent and
#3 is man, do it fast, make it efficient and be urgent.
Yeah, those, those are the principles that you launch put
in the dose. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's
worth pointing out like like it's, it's actually difficult
to, you have to recalibrate how dumb things can be because it's
the government, you know, frankly, it's like Dumber than
you think it could possibly be. So, you know, like for example,
there we found there were a whole bunch of what I call ghost
payments going out where the, the government contracting
officer had retired or, or changed jobs or were dead or,
or, I don't know, they were not around anymore and they forgot
to turn off the payment stream to some company.
And it's, it's like leaving the, the money fostered on and you,
you know, leave the house, you know, and it's just the money
fostered keeps going. And it's a pretty rare
organization that will complain about receiving money.
So organizations suddenly like, is that waste of fraud?
I mean, the government did send them the money, but they didn't
deserve it. So then, well, OK, we should
turn off the money spigot if they if the contract is over,
you know, type of thing. So one of the things that we
made a recommendation to the Treasury that that the payment
classification codes and, and the explanation for the payment
be mandatory fields. So, so just and have a name
attached. So we could just ask the person
who approved the payment, is this payment a good a good
payment? Does this make sense?
This is the kind of thing that is, that is normal in, you know,
for individuals and, and for companies, but well, that was
not the case. So the, the reason why the, the,
the government could not pass an audit was because the
information did not exist that it, that would be required to
pass an audit. Like it was literally impossible
because you just had all these blank checks going out with no
explanation and no payment code. So how you supposed to do an
audit? It's literally impossible.
So that's what I mean by like, it's very basic stuff like we
just want the congressional appropriation payment code to be
mandatory and a very short explanation.
We're not even going to judge what the explanation is, but
that there'll be any explanation at all.
And a name attached is was like revolutionary and and my guess
is this will probably save $100 billion a year, like a lot, you
know, so. Maybe I can tell those stories
from social scrutinization that people like here too, which is
at Social Security Administration IT Act.
They have passed their audit. Actually they've got, I don't
know about 100 material deficiency, but they passed
their audit. When we looked at the balance
sheet, we found that $800 million had fallen off the
balance sheet last year, $800 million.
What do you mean fell off the balance?
Sheet. It's exactly the question I
asked Elon. Thank you.
Where did it fall to exactly? Where did it fall to?
So I I asked the auditors. Come in.
It's like a comedy sketch comedy routine here.
Where did it go exactly? But wait, where did it go?
Exactly. So here's what happened.
I I, I brought, I asked the auditors come in, I'm I won't
get the name of the auditors come on in and I asked the audit
card number what is fell off the balance you mean is that a gap
term or a non gap term you. Never heard that.
What's that mean? Well, the payment plans, because
under the last administration, you could pay if you owed, if
you got overpaid on Social Security, like if you would, if
you're on, if you're getting SSI or a disability and they paid
you too much money, you got a job.
I didn't tell them they paid you too much money.
They dropped that payment plan to $10 a month Max.
So the payment plans went out past the system date.
So if I remember correctly it was 2047 payment plans output
passed system date. When it went past the system
date, literally it fell off the system, it disappeared and the
officers were supposed to the people, the technicians were
supposed to put notes in the in the system that this was going
to be collected. The notes were so bad, the
orders concluded this could not be collected.
And we literally lost $800 million.
Go on. And I said of the order, how
could that possibly be? And she said, well, it's not
really a material, it's a 1.5 trillion program.
I said, well, it's a material if it's your money.
Is it in the computer? It's not on the computer.
It fell off the computer. Is it in?
Yeah, the computer, like 200 the computer.
That's in the computer. Disappeared $800 million Just
disappeared I. Mean it's crazy.
So there's like it's one like naughty thing after another like
that. Yeah, it's, yeah, I mean.
It's crazy. Anyway, we're just, we're just
trying to basically fix the computers so that we know what
the heck's going on. Yeah, it's just like, please
and, and, and you know, like I said, being fully transparent,
being fully transparent with the American people.
So you know exactly what's going on and just just making sure
that, you know, yeah. Anyway, money is not wasteful or
fraudulent. You know, one interesting
statistic was that 40% of the of the calls into Social Security
were fraudulent, like meaning that that it was someone trying
to get a Social Security payment that was going to a senior to to
go to a instead to go to a fraud ring.
So that was almost half of the phone calls were fraudulent.
Probably the other half were people asking what happened to
my Social Security. True, actually.
You know, like, hey, where did my what?
This is bananas. Yeah, I mean, we, we found this
actually the people there, it's just you knew this was going on
and they had been complaining about it for a long time and no
one fixed it because. And these were these were mostly
criminal rings outside the country in other other places
the world that are are jamming up the phone systems, calling in
using just these simple security questions because you can
actually this was how crazy it was.
You could change your direct deposit information at Social
Security by simply answering 6 questions on the phone, like
your mother's maiden name, your date of birth, etcetera.
Stuff you can find on the Internet.
Easily found on the dark web. That's why it was so easy.
It was a huge, huge exploitation, super open door
that I mean, the bank vault was open and the criminals ran right
in and took the money and they took it away from our seniors,
right? So what happened is if like my
dad's 84, he'd go get it, checks listed in the bank account
wasn't there, then he's going to hold through a whole process to
get it with the money back in the government, which takes a
long time. It's the government, right?
So we, we put in a very simple 2FA system.
All this nonsense you've seen the media about.
We turned off the phone lines that are not true.
All, all we did, all they did actually we, we recommended to
Social Security that they put in a very simple 2FA system and
they will. 22 factor. Authentication, they say kind of
use the banks like pretty simple.
You have a bank account, you do this.
And you know what? They did it.
They said, yeah, you're right, we should do that.
They went and did it. Good for them.
They did it. No one had the will to do it.
They did it. And they're going to keep
increasing security. They've got, we've gave them,
we've gave them a lot more recommendations and they're on
the road to increase security. Stop all this nonsense so our
our seniors and our our people that are disabled don't get
stolen from. Yeah, this is really worth
emphasizing because like the, you know, the radical left are
saying that like somehow we're stealing Social Security.
Like, first of all, I like, you know, I, I don't need the money,
OK? In fact, it's costing me a lot
to be in this job. You know, you had like Tim Walsh
dancing on stage showing a chart of Tesla stock, which is a
really awful thing for him to do, you know, because what
they're trying to do is put massive pressure on on me and,
and Tesla, I guess to, to, you know, I don't know, stop, stop
doing this. But you know, it's, you know,
my, my Tesla stock and the stock of everyone who holds Tesla's
gone went roughly in half. I mean, it's a big deal.
So not, not only is am I not getting any, I'm not getting
paid, definitely not stealing money and would never get away
with it, but the value of my Tesla stock is in half.
So this is a very expensive job, is what I'm saying.
And but, but I think it's it's it's.
You're welcome. Thank you, thank you, thank you,
thank you very much guys. So but long term, I think Tesla
stocks going to do fine. So, you know, maybe it's a
buying opportunity, so, but but the, the actual thing we're
doing is, is making sure that people do get their Social
Security and that it doesn't get stolen so. 100%.
Yeah, yeah. Sorry.
Go, go ahead. Hi, Elon, I got a question for
you about Dodge, right. Should everybody in this room
has got a bunch of money sitting in a bunch of little boxes in a
bunch of different states. And it turned into crickets when
you brought it up online that you were going to go check our
gold. And I'm worried about the
Democrats and Joe Biden's last administration with the money
not be in there. Did you get blocked or are you
still able to check that? So I'm not sure I understand
exactly what you're referring to.
Fort Knox. Oh, Fort Knox.
Oh, yeah, Yeah. Yeah.
Right.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Well, that's up to the president, of course.
But I think it would be. I think it would be awesome to
live stream Fort Knox, you know, I mean, that would be really
fun. And, and after all, it it, it is
actually the gold of the American people.
So the American people should, it seems to me, have a right to
see their gold. You know, hopefully it looks
really cool, you know, open the doors.
Like, is it there? Like, is that really gold?
Let's check, you know, so maybe it'll be really, really
interesting. I'm I'm all for it.
The president says he's he's interested in doing it, So
hopefully that happens. So.
All right. Good evening, Mr. Musk.
How are you? Good.
How's it going? Good.
My name is Vito Gabriel.
I'm 18 years old. This is my first election that
I'll be voting in. So great.
Very exciting. Oh, actually, that that reminds
me. So it it is actually possible to
both register to vote on Tuesday.
If someone has not registered to vote, they can register to vote
in Wisconsin and they can vote same day.
So even if somebody's not a registered voter, you can do it
everything on on Tuesday. So big back story.
When I was younger, 8 years old to be exact, my father put me to
work in my family's restaurant and it led me to want to start
my own business and to be successful just like you.
And in my opinion, you're one of the most successful businessmen
to ever live. And So what advice would you
give to young entrepreneurs who want to start their own
businesses and give back to this great country?
Well, sure. Well, it is, it is very, very
hard to start a business and have it succeed.
You know, it's, it is true that most businesses that start do
not succeed. So I mean, I, I guess I'd really
just say, you know, if, if, if there's a product or service
that you think is really needed, then you, you go out and you,
you, you make that product or you produce that service off of
that service and, and try to be as useful as possible.
Really, you know, this, it's, it's like whether you know,
it's, it's a great restaurant or store or a technology company or
whatever the case may be, it's really just like, are you doing
things that are useful to your fellow human beings?
And, you know, if, if you are, then I think the company will be
successful. So that's, that's, that's really
what it comes down to is, is just being, being useful.
Like people ask me like, what's the top advice?
I'm like, try to be useful. It's actually very difficult to
be useful, you know, but, you know, I have a lot of admiration
for anyone who just does an honest day's work, you know,
making products or, or producing services for their fellow human
beings. That's what a company is, you
know, that's, that's it. So, but it but it, it is hard.
I mean, I mean, totally, frankly like that.
I generally said if, if somebody needs encouragement to start a
company, I would recommend not and started not starting a
company, it's, it's, it's a, it's very difficult.
Like, you know, if you look at, say the automotive industry, the
only two American car companies that have not gone bankrupt are
Tesla and Ford. So it's a, it's a bit, it's a
big cemetery is what I'm saying. So that's a tough one.
You know, very, very top industry.
And there were really no, like commercial rocket companies that
were successful before SpaceX. It's, it's generally very
difficult to make the value of the output exceed the cost of
the input. And that's, that's really what
defines a successful business. And, and, and profit is really
the difference between the value of the output and the cost of
the input, that, that's what profit is.
So, but it's, it's like shockingly hard to make the
output more valuable than the input.
That's what I've found. Yeah.
So. All right.
Hi, Elon. Thank you so much for being
here. Would you agree with me that the
economic illiteracy in this country is staggering, that
people don't understand how close we are?
I would say that that is true to going over the fiscal Cliff.
Yeah. Right, yes, most people
actually, I think most people, well, I think a lot of people
don't know what a national debt is.
Like how did this national debt come about?
And, and how come there's all this money that somehow we owe
it, but we didn't sign up to be to owing this money.
But there's, you know, it's over $30 trillion of, of national
debt and that, that doesn't count future obligations.
So, and, and that that's just doesn't count state and state
and local debt. So it's, it's a lot of
basically, it's a lot of money that the government has signed
everyone in America up for. And yeah, so, so there's if, if
we, if we don't do something about it, then eventually there
won't be any, any money for anything.
We'll just be paying interest. You know, a company, sorry, I
should say a country is much like a person.
It's just, it's just bigger. A country is a collection of
people. But just like a person can go
bankrupt, a country collectively can also go de facto bankrupt,
essentially by diluting the currency to where it's
worthless. And that's, that's where we're
headed unless we are, you know, to take immediate and dramatic
action with respect to government spending.
That's we're we're, we're in deep trouble, basically.
You've seen this in places like Venezuela.
Yeah, exactly. So in in a lot of countries
where with it's, I think things have gone to hell in a
handbasket. And it's like, we just need to
not do that, you know. So if if you know, if the ship
of America sinks, we all sink with it.
You know, this is something that I try to tell people in in the
sort of commercial sector that like, you're not going to your
company is not going to make it if the ship of America sinks.
So we're all going to like, you know, work together here to make
sure it does not. Yeah, Antonio, feel free to ad
Lib as you wish me. This is the only place left to
go. That's great.
Right, exactly. I don't think we can run off to
some other country and be OK. It's is America, you know, I I
will die in America. I'm not going anywhere.
I I will too, yeah. I mean, I might go to Mars, but
that will be part of America. Yeah.
Hi, Elan. Thank you so much for taking the
time out of your busy schedule to be here today with us in
Green Bay, WI. Yeah, I just wanted to say that
Dozier's findings demonstrate to the American people that the
government clearly does not care about our hard earned tax
dollars. I've I'm only 26, but I can
imagine it's frustrating for people who have worked their
entire lives to see their tax dollars going to fraud, waste
and abuse. And you alone have contributed
so much money to our government. Yes, via taxes.
So thank you. You're welcome.
But I'm sorry that your money is not being spent very well.
I you've clearly shown your leadership and team is capable
of transforming our government into something better than what
we see today. I just want to say I'm sure I'm
not the only one who's wondering, but we know that Doge
has found quite a bit of money and we would like to see some of
that returned to the American people on.
Do you have any information on when DOGE checks would be
written or sent out? Sure.
Well, I guess we we need to be successful at scale.
We've made a lot of progress, but there's still a tremendous
amount of work to do effectively by as government spending is
made more efficient and spending is reduced, the the tax by
inflation is reduced. So one way or another, you, you
will effectively be better off if resources in the United
States are not wasted. So, and it's, it's, it's, it's
a, you know, somewhat up to the Congress and, and maybe the
president to, you know, as to whether specific checks are cut.
But, but whether a check is cut or not, if you, if you reduce
wasteful spending, the, the economy is going to be better
off. There will be people will do
more useful jobs than before. The total output of goods and
services will increase and then the average standard of living
will increase. So that that's yeah.
I think the most important lesson in economics is simply
common sense that the the more people in a country that are
engaged in producing useful products and services, the
better off that country will be. Like you could you could run the
sort of thought experiment to say in the limit, if we moved
everyone in the car industry into the DMV, there would be no
cars, but there would be a lot of regulators.
So then you say, well, OK, well then how many people should be
in the government versus not government?
And generally, I think you want to want to minimize the number
of people in government. It's this little, you know, be a
lot of people in government, but you want to keep that to a
minimum and move people from low to negative productivity roles
to high productivity roles in the private sector.
Yeah. OK.
Hey, Elon, So the first time I heard about population collapse,
I think first from you on Joe Rogan.
I grew up in the generation where it was very
overpopulation, global warming. A lot of people don't want to
have kids. My wife and I just had our
first. She's a year.
Congratulations. Hi, John.
Thank you. And I'm finding out very quickly
a lot of these things I was told about having kids, losing
personal freedom. It's well worth it.
I mean, I would recommend to everybody, as I'm sure you
wouldn't. Absolutely.
I mean, I've been banging the baby drum for ages.
Yes. So my question to you is, what's
the most surprising and fulfilling thing you've learned
from your kids, especially? We've seen you around X all the
time with Trump. So what's your most fulfilling
thing you've learned from having kids?
Yeah. X is.
X is in the back there. He.
You know, So hopefully he's watching this.
Hopefully. Yeah.
I think, you know, I think nothing makes you happier than
kids really is, is what is the truth of it.
So, you know, kids are my greatest host of happiness and I
really encourage as as Tony knows, I've encouraged all my
friends and everyone to have kids.
It, it is, it is concerning, you know, the, the United States has
been below replacement rate. The birth rate in the United
States has been below replacement rate since roughly
when I was born, around 197071 thereabouts.
And I think last year was the lowest birth rate on record.
It was very, it was very low. And then we're seeing this trend
in almost every country on earth.
This is, this is worrying because it's like, well, you
know, if something doesn't happen, you know, humanity is
going to disappear. So it's, I think very important
to have kids like it's, it's, you know, it's, it'll kids will
make you very happy And, and there's, but there's also like
we got to keep humanity going here, you know, no, no humans,
no humanity. It's.
Elon practice what he preaches too, by the way.
He's having lots of kids. Sorry.
You practice what you preach, and yeah, for sure.
And he tells all his friends to do it, too.
I can tell you that for sure for sure.
Yeah, So, All right. Hi.
Thanks for coming. My name is Adam.
I'm a postal worker. I'm wondering if you could give
some insight into some of the reforms or changes that DOGE
might be looking at for the Postal Service.
Well, actually may perhaps I can ask you what, what what should
DOGE be doing with respect to the Postal Service?
I'll write you a letter. OK.
I I suspect you've seen that
things are not entirely perfect in the Postal Service, yes.
So I mean, obviously there's it's, it's, you know, delivering
mail and packages is very important.
You know, there's reason for why the Postal Service was created,
but and I haven't really had a chance to look at the Postal
Service yet, but OK, I. Have a little detail on the
analysis you want? Do you do a little bit?
OK? Sure.
Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say that I
want to be very general here, but there is this thing about,
you know, you could tell us like there's a thing about large
volume users, Postal Service versus small, small volume
users, right. So like some company please
I've. Heard of that?
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, you'd probably see it, right?
Like you see there's some companies in the world that use
Postal Service a lot and pay the same rate as everybody in this
room that uses a little bit. Does that seem fair to you when
you see it on the front line? I can't really say.
Well, he can't say because he works there, you know.
OK, doesn't seem fair to me. I don't work there.
So I mean, there, there are quite, there's a bunch of
questions about this people are asking that I think are
interesting analysis. And when you look at the source
of truth and the data and you make that transparent, I think
it's going to be obvious what the right answers are.
Yeah, it it seems like some companies are not being charged
the right amount for package delivery and there's probably
more administrative overhead than there should be.
Would be some safe guesses I suspect.
Those are good guesses. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Good guesses. All right, Yeah.
Elon, how are you? Yo, good.
Hey, how's it going? It's Adam, your #1 reply guy on
X. Hey, with Scott Presser.
It's good to finally beat in person.
Cool. So I'm glad you like a lot of my
stuff. Yeah.
Constantly replying to my stuff, liking my stuff.
And I love to create material because I'm a former Democrat
myself, just like you. Yeah.
And I want to help bring over moderate voters from the
Democrat Party who are disenfranchised.
Yeah. And I'd love to be able to
create more content to help you out to help us win more
elections, to win the midterms for 2028 and on.
Sounds good. Would I be able to get a follow
up from your main because you followed me from your old cyber
gamer. Oh, I did OK yeah, at this point
I got I I yeah, sure I'll I'll do that.
Sure. I mean, it's, it's right now
like I used to only follow maybe, you know, a few 100
accounts, which it was possible to read a lot, most of what they
posted, but now I think I follow like 1100 accounts, which makes
it impossible. So, so like, it's just like I
can only see a few things that people post at random
essentially. So yeah, but I'm, I'm trying to
digest as much information as my human brain can manage.
So, but yeah, thank you for for your engagement and just, you
know, in in general, like try to report on what's really
happening. Is, is, is great.
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Moss, thank you
so much for being here and bringing attention to what's
going on with our Supreme Court here.
It's very important. And I think it would have gotten
no attention, not even half of what it's getting now if you
hadn't stepped in for good or bad.
Yeah. Negative press and good press.
We think exactly the, the, it totally, I mean, obviously for
us, any kind of special election is going to get a fraction,
small fraction of the, the attention of a say, a
presidential election. And and then, you know, normally
a, an election for a judge would not be that big of a deal.
It just so happens that this, in this case, it could decide the
control of the US House of Representatives, which is a
yeah, a huge deal. Yeah.
My personal experience with
Judge Crawford, I am a family that she moved a pedophile right
next to our what? Really.
Yeah, it is a true story the in the ads that you're hearing
from. Mr. Schimmel, I am one of the
homeowners that had to live next to him for many years, unaware.
So the letter that I wrote to her, I'm sure played into what
we are experiencing now in family court family.
We're veterans, 20 years. It just was not good for him.
It was not good for me. And we're trying to work through
our family court situation. But what we're realizing is the
two strategies that they use are indoctrination or intimidation.
And if you step up and say we're practicing Catholic family, the
result is her band of Mary Rogue judges and the court affiliates
and the commissioners will flood the family court, have flooded
the family court system. So I guess my question would be,
regardless of what happens with this very important vote, let's
not forget what's happening in the family court system in Dane
County, Wisconsin, that's being flooded with these rogue judges
and affiliates and commissioners who then, if you don't subscribe
to what they're saying, they will just wipe out your ability
to raise your family or proceed with your family in a way that
you feel your culture dictates, your religion dictates your your
financial background dictates. It has gone completely bananas
and I'm wondering what you can do to keep the light shine on
our court system in Dane County. It does have lasting effect on
families and it will breed out our ability to raise our
families in the spirit in which we feel is most healthy for our
our young, our children and and the sanctity of our family.
Absolutely. I think that's fundamental to
life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which is the
foundation of America, that you know, that, that you, you should
have control over your family, not the state.
The state should not have control over your family.
It's insane that people would think that so.
We've had friends have to escape California because of this.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it's literally had to leave because the state tried to
dictate their kids, because they're imposing the state's
values on the kids and they literally had to leave
overnight. More than one friend we've had
the story. Really.
Yeah, I know there's a thing a
change to law in California where if the teacher is
determined that it's in the kids interest, like like if you don't
respect like, you know, I don't know, 10 year olds pronouns or
something, the the the state can take your kid in California.
So it's, it's insane, you know, it's, it's it's state, state
forced indoctrination. And if you, if you don't match
their, you know, whatever the, the, the state wants, then they
can take your kid in California. It's a big deal.
Yeah, exactly. It says.
So it should just be, you know, family should have control over
their own circumstances and it should not be the government
that decides what how your children should be raised.
Hey, Lynn, my name is Josh. There's a lot of questions.
I see there is. We were going to answer
everything at this point, but I'm sorry.
Hey, Eric, please go ahead. Sorry, go ahead.
Thank you for taking the questions.
A lot of people I agree. So I just I was wondering, I've
seen I noticed that there was another a second Mechzilla being
built at the star base. Are we going to be go for launch
for the Artemis mission coming up?
I mean, that's a very, very sort of space question.
So there's there, there are, there are, there are two towers
in South Texas and, and then two and, and there were planned to
build 2 towers at the Cape in Florida and then probably some,
some more elsewhere in the future.
But there'll be, there'll be twin, twin towers at the Cape
and twin towers in South Texas Star base.
All right. Hey, Eli, good to meet you.
Thank you for everything you're doing for the country and the
world. Thank you.
I I have two questions. They asked me to keep it short.
Sure. When when do you envision
solving blindness and bringing that to the masses where it'll
be for everyone? And the other is, is robo Taxi
on schedule? Yeah, well, there's certainly a
wide range of questions tonight. The yes.
So with for, for neural link, we we've actually had neural link
has had in monkeys a working, you know device we call blind
site where it's been working well and monkeys are healthy for
for a few years now. And we're hoping later this year
to do our first device implant for human enabling someone who
is completely blind to see. It's going to be low res at
first, like Atari graphics, you know, So I want to set
expectations appropriately. So it'll, it'll start off with
like like very low res. But then over time, I think
eventually the implant would enable vision that is like
superhuman. So that would be that would be
pretty cool. And then, yeah, I think so.
Currently on track to do unsupervised full self driving
in Austin in June. So I, I, I think we're probably
will, we'll take maybe four more questions.
So just two from that side and two from that side, and then
we'll call it a night. So go ahead.
Oh, thank you so much. First of all, you are beyond
absolutely legendary and an absolute true hero.
So thank you so much for everything you're doing,
achieving, accomplishing. You've done so many impossibles.
It is astonishing. Thank you.
My name is Brian Wright, and I've been filming from last year
all the way into this year, a docu series on finding peace.
And during this election year, the episode was how many lines
do we actually need to cross in order to be able to find peace?
And I wanted to ask you, where do you feel like we are in this
way, this divide? Are we so far divided as to
where there's no coming back to the middle or where do you see
us being? Yeah, we should restore the
Smith might act so that we, the government cannot spy or issue
propaganda to the people. So yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I kind of thought that we're headed in a good direction
for a while there and then and then the last, you know, month
or so, they've been these like, like crazy violent things
happening against Tesla and, and protesting me and whatnot.
And I'm like, this is just nuts, you know, and, and, and, you
know, a lot of people sort of parading signs around saying
that, you know, that President Trump and you almost should die
type of thing. And I'm like, this is really
nuts, you know, But I think the, the real issue is like, like
who's organizing and funding that?
Like the, the, the same people that organized and funded the,
you know, the, the infiltrators, you know who the Heckler is
earlier tonight. So it's, it's, it's whoever they
are, you know, and I guess we know some of their names, but
it's really yeah, yeah. Saw us and a bunch of others.
I'm not sure really what I sometimes I wonder what is their
goal? Like what, what's what's their
aim? You know, I guess is it
communism, I guess is a part of it or just I don't know.
Sometimes I want to like, have they thought through what
they're if they'd say they got their goal, what then what you
know, so I don't know. I'm hopeful that things calm
down, that there's, you know, we gauge that, that people engage
in like dialogue, but not not violence.
And that, you know, if for those who, who do push violence and
destruction of property and intimidation, obviously that
they, they need to face legal consequences for that.
So and, and, and the president has has said that, you know,
that that needs to happen. Obviously, if people are pushing
violence and destruction of property, that that is against
the law and and they, they need to face the consequences of
that. So thank you.
Yeah, Thank you, Elon. I constantly hear that the DOGE
efforts are going to do things like take away Social Security
payments and reduce other government payments like that.
You've touched on it tonight, but can you stay to stay to
you've discussed that length over the last few months.
You talk, talk again about how the DOGE efforts are actually
going to affect things like the payments and other programs like
that. Yeah, I guess it would be
helpful because so I just stated as crisply and clearly as
possible that DOGE will, will absolutely ensure that people
get their Social Security, make sure they get their Social
Security, make sure they get their Medicaid, and will not be
cutting any legitimate payments whatsoever.
Crystal clear. I'll just add to this.
I, I've, I've been there working there and I spent about the
first 3 or 4 weeks of my time in Woodlands actually working in
such administration. 100% when you're saying is true, nothing
has happened on the ground that would impact the level of
payments going to people that legitimately are owed those
payments, period. A lot is going to happen to
people that are stealing from the system.
Yeah, they're not getting the payments.
And you know who's screaming? They are because they're
committing fraud. And we should take that away
from them because they're stealing from all of us in this
room and our parents, and they're going to scream loud and
it's going to get louder. But it would but thank you,
thank you for asking that question because it, it, you
know, it, it is something that as obvious to this as it's,
it's, it's a, it's a great question because we just need to
be very crisp and clear. Those will make sure you get
your Social Security. Those will make sure you get
your Medicaid. There will be no cuts to
legitimate payments whatsoever. I'd like to go last, if it's OK
with the other gentlemen. Would you like to go, Sir,
please go. Thank you.
Mr. Musk, thank you so much for coming to Wisconsin.
I just want to thank you for calling out bad ideas on X.
You do that like every 30 minutes.
And if I don't see something, I'm like, wow, you alone, OK.
And we all know that ideas of consequences and bad ideas have
victims. And thank you for speaking up
for victims. And a few nights ago when you
spoke with Bret Baier, when you're being interviewed and he
asks you what keeps you up at night?
And like that other question you answered and you paused and it
was depopulation. And I was waiting for you to say
like, oh, the death threats against my life or the national
debt or the depopulation. Yeah, depopulation is a really
big deal. It's not on people's radar.
Why is that? Well, I think, I think we we
haven't yet evolved to deal with depopulation.
You know, it's, it's, I guess it, it's something we better
evolve to deal with or, or we're going to disappear.
And, and once the depopulation roll starts rolling, you know,
it seems to gather up speed. I mean, you can look at sort of
cases like Korea and Japan, which are, you know, much
further ahead or behind, depending on how you look at it.
But that like the population decline there is much worse.
Japan is an absolute publication population decline, so they're
losing about, I think roughly a million people a year of
population, and that's going to accelerate.
Korea is has only a third replacement rate, which means
that in three generations the country will be 3 or 4% of its
current size. Like basically all that'll be
left is a small portion of the capital city.
So, and I keep waiting for the birth rate to turn around, but
it doesn't, it seems like population collapse accelerates.
And that's why I think it's, it's a very serious matter.
It's if, if, if you believe in humanity at all, you should care
about this a lot. And then you know that that's
sort of, but that, you know, that's the sort of long term
thing. And, and the, the short term
thing is, is remaining is that America needs to be financially
solvent. You know, that's, that's what
doge is about, trying to just make sure America's financially
solvent. And, and then there's also the
risks of AI. So we want to make sure that
that AI is is maximally truth seeking and, you know, ideally
has sort of values that most Americans would agree with that
and that it's a pro human AI that it wants to foster the
future of humanity. Yeah, those those are the things
that I think about. So thanks, Elon.
My name is Matt Hoss. Like Bonanza Big Hoss.
I own and operate a small business here in the Fox Valley,
and tomorrow I actually get the honor and the privilege to host
Brad Schimmel at our shop, Springetty Landscape.
If anyone's in the valley. Sounds good.
Come down 4430 tomorrow we're having a shindig to have Brad
stop by. He's going to come and give a
little speech, get some some. That's what this was about was
Brad's election. So I just wanted to say, in your
opinion, what is Brad going to do for small business owners
like myself? Well, I think he's going to help
get the government of your back. So that's a big deal.
You know, for anyone that starts a business, you know, it's like
you used to just be able to open a store and not get like a
zillion permits and licenses and everything.
You know, that's how America, you wanted to make a product.
You just made the product and you didn't have to satisfy a
massive body of regulations and get a permission from all sorts
of agencies. So hopefully Justice Shimmel is,
you know, support that and and helps get the government off
your back. All right, so let me finish by
saying obviously, yeah, those are the state level will be
cool. But just just remember like
this, the importance of the election on Tuesday is gigantic.
It could it could decide the the future of the House of
Representatives. It could decide then the future
of America and the future of the world.
So it's absolutely critical that you really you need to just drag
friends and family to vote on Tuesday for Justice Schimmel and
for voter ID. So thank you.
Thank you guys. Thank you.
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