1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,320 Hey everybody, welcome. Back to the Elon Musk Podcast. 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,880 This is a show where we discuss the critical. 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,880 Crossroads that shape. SpaceX, Tesla X, The Boring 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,600 Company and Neurolink. I'm your host, Will Walden. 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,720 Tesla's upcoming cyber cab just moved from concept to physical 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,120 form, and the clues are sitting in plain sight at the company's 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,920 Palo Alto headquarters. A newly spotted vehicle draped 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,040 in a tight black cover appears to match the low profile shape 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,480 of Tesla's driverless robotaxi prototype, which Elon Musk 10 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:40,520 teased earlier this year. Has Tesla actually begun 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,800 building the first functional cyber cabs now? 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,560 The shape of the cover vehicle lines up with Musk's April 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,320 reveal, where he briefly flashed a shadowed render of the Robo 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,440 Taxi during the company's Robo Taxi Day announcement. 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,680 And the design doesn't resemble any existing Tesla model. 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,000 It's smaller and flatter than a Model 3, and it lacks the 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,519 visible roof line of the Model Y Size, angle, and placement of 18 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:10,000 the roof bump seen under the cover match the earlier concept 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,960 image. A Tesla parked vehicle outside 20 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:17,240 its 15 O one page Mill Rd. office, which is a location 21 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,760 closely tied to its Autopilot and Full Self Driving teams. 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,880 This isn't the kind of site where prototype hardware usually 23 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,000 gets left unattainted, though. Tesla tends to keep early 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,480 vehicles out of public view unless the goal is to send a 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,760 message or to test public reaction. 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:38,120 Parking this vehicle so openly right after Musk confirmed and 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,400 August 8th unveiling for the Cyber Cab looks intentional. 28 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,080 Now Tesla hasn't commented on the vehicle, but the location 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,080 and timing both point toward this being a pre production 30 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,240 prototype of the robotaxi. That matters because it means 31 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,040 Tesla could already be testing cybercap hardware internally and 32 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,440 up until now, that robotaxi was a promise which was hyped. 33 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,920 It was announced, but nobody knew when they were actually 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,160 going to start developing this thing or building this thing. 35 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,160 It's the first real evidence of Tesla physically building 36 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,120 something tied to this project. Now, the low profile and tight 37 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,720 footprint of the prototype suggests that the Cyber Cab 38 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,360 isn't based on a modified Model 3. 39 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,600 Or why Tesla appears to be following through on his claim. 40 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,600 The robotaxi will use an all new platform. 41 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,920 That platform will reportedly be shared with Tesla's next 42 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:32,000 generation compact vehicle, which is expected to be built at 43 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:38,160 both Giga Texas and Giga Mexico. The $25,000 Tesla maybe, and 44 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,040 we'll see now the cyber cab is designed as a driver of this 45 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,040 vehicle from the start so Tesla can strip away components like 46 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,400 the steering wheel and pedals and future iterations. 47 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,720 That reduces interior complexity and cost, which Musk had 48 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,040 previously said. We'll bring the right price 49 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,840 below bus fare. But to reach that goal, Tesla 50 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,600 still needs to prove that FSD, the full self driving system, 51 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,520 can safely handle real world conditions without human 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,120 supervision. Musk said the robo taxi would 53 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,560 look futuristic and the covered prototype supports that claim 54 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,760 the short hood, high beltline and bubble like cabin match 55 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,360 vehicle built primarily for autonomy, not driving in the 56 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,000 shape of maximizes internal volume while minimizing surface 57 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,360 area, which this is an efficient design choice for an urban 58 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,600 transport pod of the timing of this sighting add some pressure. 59 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:34,320 Tesla is set to unveil some more vehicles in the near future. 60 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:40,160 They just released a $37,000 or basically a $40,000 model and a 61 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:46,120 35,000 ish dollar model. And those were OK. 62 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,800 They didn't really do much. Stock went down after the 63 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,560 announcement, but it went back up the next day. 64 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,360 You know, Tesla could be preparing to show a working 65 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,520 vehicle with early hardware, which would signal that 66 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,920 production is closer than presumably, you know, assumed by 67 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,000 others out there. Now, this is competitive. 68 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,120 Waymo and Cruise are the enemies here. 69 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,240 Both companies have logged millions of miles with 70 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,360 driverless cars, but the vehicles rely on modified 71 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,160 passenger cars and rely heavily on Lidar and HD mapping. 72 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,760 Tesla is betting on a pure vision based system, no lidar or 73 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,080 radar, which requires stronger neural Nets and a more advanced 74 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,480 AI model to match the safety level of the competitors. 75 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,760 And if Tesla pulls this off, the company could skip the 76 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,960 incremental rollout that other robotaxi firms rely on. 77 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,360 Instead of geofence launches, Tesla could try for a more 78 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,280 global release once regulators approve. 79 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:52,040 Of course, that would reshape the right handling market. 80 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,840 Bye bye Uber drivers. Bye bye Lyft drivers. 81 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,880 You can have a robotaxi and pay, pay about the same amount of 82 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,000 money and get a, a robot to do the driving for you. 83 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,280 Let's get in, do your thing, get out. 84 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:09,640 It's like Disney. Disney has something similar to 85 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,920 this. You can have a basically a robo 86 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,800 cab. They have set routes, but 87 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,280 there's no driver and you can get in them and you can go 88 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:23,000 someplace, you know, but this is real world, you know, this is 89 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,440 Disney. They have pre approved routes, 90 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,560 they have geofencing, they only go certain amount of speed and 91 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,640 they know exactly what's going to be on the roadways. 92 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,240 Now. This would reshape the whole 93 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,240 ride hailing market and push legacy players to rethink their 94 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,680 autonomous strategies. Somebody like Uber is going to 95 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:47,080 be working with other companies, ride sharing companies out there 96 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,200 who have vehicles. They're going to push all the 97 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,200 drivers that are in driver positions right now. 98 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,000 They're going to push them out of the business and they're 99 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:03,680 going to have robo taxis, not the Elon and Tesla robotaxi, but 100 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,160 they will have autonomous vehicles that will be driving 101 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,640 people around. They're already doing it with 102 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,720 Waymo. If you want a Waymo, get an 103 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,840 Uber. You know, hop on an Uber and get 104 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:19,280 it. But there goes the the economy 105 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:22,960 for ride sharing for drivers. Look man, I'm going to be honest 106 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,280 with you. In the hard times, I drive Uber 107 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:30,920 or I drove Uber in the hard times and it pays OK. 108 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,520 If you drive all day, you can make decent amount of money, but 109 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,160 you got to drive sometimes 12 hours stay in order to make a 110 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,240 good amount of money. And even then you got to really 111 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,120 rely on tips from people. And some people are just cheap. 112 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:48,280 So you never know how much money you're going to make that day, 113 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,360 but you can bring in, you know, if you do it right, couple $1000 114 00:06:53,360 --> 00:07:02,160 a week and that alone is enough money for rent, child care, 115 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,320 whatever, if you need the money. But that's all going away. 116 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,280 I don't think it's going to go away right away though. 117 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,480 This stuff takes time, right? Cyber cab isn't going to just 118 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,840 hit the ground running and regulators are going to take 119 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,120 their sweet time because what happens if there's an accident? 120 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,680 Who's liable? What happens? 121 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,680 One of these things gets pulled over by a police officer. 122 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,080 What happens then? Does the person just kind of 123 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,240 like get out and who do you ticket for these kind of things 124 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,240 like say what if these one of these robotaxi or cyber cabs 125 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,840 goes down one way Rd. the wrong way, a cop pulls up behind him, 126 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,720 pulls him over and there's no driver. 127 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,880 So who do you ticket? You must ticket Tesla. 128 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,280 There's got to be so there's got to be regulations around this. 129 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,920 And before they actually roll these things out. 130 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,960 So it's going to be a while. People these, you know, 131 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,800 rideshare apps are still going to be around for a while. 132 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,000 Taxis are going to be around for a while. 133 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,840 Limousines are going to be around for a while. 134 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,240 People dislike people, you know, they, they want people around 135 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,920 sometimes. Sometimes you don't. 136 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,400 And that's when you hail a driverless cab like a cyber cab. 137 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:19,760 But the presence of this prototype is pretty big and Elon 138 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,880 and Tesla are very secretive about their hardware. 139 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,240 So having this outside where people can see Rick see it clear 140 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,040 as day is not just a render anymore. 141 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:35,000 It's a real thing. They're they appear to be 142 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,520 building the hardware, need to support the robotaxi, the cyber 143 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,600 cab, All that stuff is going to be happening very soon. 144 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,520 So if you're in one of those areas like Austin, grab 1, you 145 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,880 know, grab a, grab a Tesla, an automated Tesla and scoot 146 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,840 around, see what it feels like and, you know, get to your 147 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,680 destination. But you don't even need to talk 148 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:01,280 to somebody. You can pick your own music too, 149 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,000 which is great. All right, so that's about it 150 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,600 for today's episode, everybody. But I want to ask you a 151 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,760 question. One quick question before we go. 152 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,040 This is important. 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So I really do appreciate you 169 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,400 and I really do appreciate all the comments that I've been 170 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,600 getting recently because it really matters. 171 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,920 I'd like to talk to people about Elon. 172 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,200 I want to talk to him about Tesla. 173 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,440 I want to talk to him about SpaceX and there are some 174 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,120 comments that just recently, I'm going to read a few of them. 175 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,120 I read some yesterday. I might read the same ones 176 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,720 today. And you know, some of the some 177 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:28,760 of the older comments on older videos or on older podcasts, 178 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:37,360 Miss Moon said Banger, banger. Somebody said conspiracy 179 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,160 theories really. Lol. 180 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,680 That was about, I don't know which episode that was about. 181 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:47,000 Let's see. Former open AI and anthropic 182 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,840 staff accuse Elon Musk about something. 183 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,400 So I was just reporting the news. 184 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,640 They thought their conspiracy theories OK. 185 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,280 And somebody said, and you know, you can, you can think whatever 186 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,200 you want. I'd like to hear your opinions. 187 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,160 Somebody said, dude, why the 180 turn on Elon? 188 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,160 I've never turned on Elon. You know, Elon has done some 189 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,880 silly stuff in his life and you got to call the guy out 190 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,880 sometimes bogged in thanks for that comment. 191 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:24,240 They said they originally subscribed to this to learn of 192 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:29,560 Elon's achievements. I'm I'm not here to defend him. 193 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:31,760 You're too biased. I'm not really biased. 194 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,960 I'll tell you how it is man. You got a really take things for 195 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,840 what they are. If you see something, say 196 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:44,320 something, right? And this one is open, AI funded 197 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,160 $40 billion, quite close to SpaceX. 198 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:58,320 And then it says Cody said hi about that episode. 199 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:07,480 Hey, Cody, how's it going? And then on this episode which 200 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,080 is Elon caught deleting this after a huge blowback. 201 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,760 So let me get this straight from Nathan says SpaceX just pull off 202 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,320 an engineering marvel re rescuing 2 astronauts for the 203 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,320 space station. Instead of covering that you're 204 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,640 ranting about Elon supposed love for dictators. 205 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,400 The mental gymnastics are breathtaking. 206 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,760 Maybe step outside your propaganda bubble for a second. 207 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:37,120 His achievements, including with Doge or Undeniable if they do 208 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,920 not fit your narrative, I don't have a narrative. 209 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,680 That's all I'm saying. Nathan, I appreciate your 210 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:44,600 comments. I like to read both. 211 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,480 I like to read positive comments. 212 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,600 I like to read comments that disagree with me. 213 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:58,000 I'm OK with that. Oh man, this Nathan had a spat 214 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,040 here. But there are a few of them that 215 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,640 I'm like, thank you for this like chatter, Hammond said. 216 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:19,080 This dude is awesome, Thank you. And then there was another one 217 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:24,280 about direct warning to Elon Musk, not from me, but it says 218 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,840 we are not here to place as politician. 219 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,720 And then somebody wrote bring it. 220 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:36,480 So any comment really helps. Anything helps to be honest with 221 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,680 you. 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